‘The American Revolution,’ ‘Industry’ S4 Trailer, ‘Pluribus’ E4, and ‘Landman’ S2E2

Chris and Andy talk about the new Ken Burns six-part documentary ‘The American Revolution’ and his illustrious career (9:08), before reacting to trailers for ‘Industry’ S4 and ‘Y: Marshals’ (21:14). Later, they discuss ‘Pluribus’ Episode 4 (27:53) and ‘Landman’ Season 2, Episode 2 (40:01). Subscribe to the Ringer TV YouTube channel here for full episodes of The Watch and so much more! Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald Producers: Kaya McMullen and Kai Grady Additional Video Supervision: John Richter and Jon Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:59Chris Ryan?

  Playing sports to have to clear the room.

• 1:02Speaker 02

  Stand up and walk now.

• 1:05Chris Ryan?

  Hello and welcome to The Watch. My name is Chris Ryan. I am an editor at TheRinger.com and joining me in a big studio up 21-0, it's Andy Greenwald.

• 1:19Andy Greenwald?

  Why do you sound like Cousin Salty in the intro? What are you doing? We're on the same team. We've been friends for almost 30 years. What are you doing?

• 1:28Chris Ryan?

  I just wanted to see your reaction.

• 1:31Andy Greenwald?

  First of all, can you see it? We're in a very big space today.

• 1:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I can see you, man.

• 1:35Andy Greenwald?

  Optimized for video.

• 1:36Chris Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:36Andy Greenwald?

  I don't know what to do with my body in the studio.

• 1:38Chris Ryan?

  You look great. You look like, you're like, kids, let's tear the first page out of that book.

• 1:43Andy Greenwald?

  My kids are here.

• 1:44Chris Ryan?

  Let's have class outside.

• 1:45Andy Greenwald?

  They might see it. Is this the vibe with like the Dax Shepard podcast where he's just like in a chair and he leans in? He's like, that mirrors my addiction journey, brother.

• 1:55Chris Ryan?

  He's vaping and he's just like, I hear you, man. Uh, no, that's a good pod. Um.

• 1:59Andy Greenwald?

  Sure. No, I just want to know like, is that why it's successful? It's because he has a different physicality?

• 2:03Chris Ryan?

  Away from his guests? That's a good question. Maybe we should see how far we can get away from each other. I guess you're going to England, so that will probably be easy. Andy, on The Watch today, we have practically a Thanksgiving feast because this is our only show this week. You can hit us up at thewatchatspotify.com. You can follow us on Instagram at thewatchpod underscore. You can watch us on YouTube at the Ringer-TV channel. You can also watch us where you're listening to us on Spotify, hopefully. We have Pluribus, episode four. We have Landman, episode two.

• 2:31Andy Greenwald?

  Right.

• 2:32Chris Ryan?

  And I have a bunch of other stuff for you today. So I'm excited to get into a frank exchange of ideas about popular culture and American life.

• 2:38Andy Greenwald?

  Of the two trips I had to take to Texas yesterday.

• 2:44Chris Ryan?

  Back to back.

• 2:45Andy Greenwald?

  I really, really didn't expect my time.

• 2:48Chris Ryan?

  I've actually been out on Fridays specifically for this reason.

• 2:51Andy Greenwald?

  I really didn't expect my trip to Midland to be preferable.

• 2:54Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 2:54Andy Greenwald?

  To be more enjoyable.

• 2:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:56Andy Greenwald?

  I really, really didn't. Can I ask your psychology about something before we get into our day?

• 3:00Chris Ryan?

  Of course you can. Just because we're further away doesn't mean I'm any less close to you.

• 3:03Andy Greenwald?

  That's beautiful. You, at the time, I was a little dismayed, but you did duck out of an in-person viewing.

• 3:11Chris Ryan?

  I did.

• 3:11Andy Greenwald?

  Of yesterday's catastrophe.

• 3:14Chris Ryan?

  I had to prepare for The Watch.

• 3:16Andy Greenwald?

  How's that going? I don't think you're ready for what you're getting on The Watch today. How do you feel about your choice? Because I think that, you know, I think you are a steady guy. And you realized in real time that what you were missing was an opportunity to have the real feast or famine AG experience.

• 3:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think I've gotten my healthy, fair dose of that throughout my life. I didn't pick that. That was not my choice because I wanted to avoid you or anything like that.

• 3:47Chris Ryan?

  I gotta say, I mean, do you want to actually talk about the Eagles right now?

• 3:51Andy Greenwald?

  What do you want to talk about? We've been doing this podcast for so many years. We can set the agenda.

• 3:57Chris Ryan?

  Do you think they have it? Because I don't think they have it.

• 3:59Andy Greenwald?

  I don't think the offense has it.

• 4:01Chris Ryan?

  So if you don't think they have it. What are you watching, right? Like you wanna wa- I'm wa- I'm watching for week to week enjoyment and to talk with my friends about it. I love this team, but like when I watch it, I don't see it.

• 4:11Andy Greenwald?

  I think they have it if they could get a competent offensive coordinator.

• 4:16Chris Ryan?

  I guess so.

• 4:17Andy Greenwald?

  I think they have, they have, they got the horses, they got the players, but they do not have the mentality to execute because I watched that first half.

• 4:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 4:25Andy Greenwald?

  And I was like, most teams in the league are bad. We are not bad.

• 4:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 4:29Andy Greenwald?

  If we could just stop tripping over ourselves, we would be dominant. And I still think they can win.

• 4:36Chris Ryan?

  I think maybe, you know what? I could be wrong. Also, there's like those weird seasons too where you get like a weird Ravens season often, like where they just like rattle off a bunch of wins on the back of their doing it right now. And then they come storming into playoffs and you're like, God damn, the Ravens. But so like, I just feel like I almost would have preferred us being, our record being a little bit worse and then us like rising towards the second half of the season than this like obviously fake eight and two team. That's not enjoying each other's company.

• 5:02Andy Greenwald?

  I just think, and the defense is good. My, my thing is we are so skewed and I realize this. Let me just preface this by saying, despite being the, the equivalent emotionally of a four-year-old when it comes to sports fandom.

• 5:14Chris Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 5:15Andy Greenwald?

  I own this. I know how good we have it and I feel fantastic about whatever happens this year because we won the Super Bowl with my favorite guys. It's fine.

• 5:23Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 5:23Andy Greenwald?

  It's fine.

• 5:24Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 5:24Andy Greenwald?

  But these last few years, I'm really chill. I am vibrating at a frequency that you can't see from the distance you're at right now. I just forget because we're so skewed these last few years that most football seasons for most teams involve just kind of losing to the Saints sometimes.

• 5:42Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 5:43Andy Greenwald?

  And then you're like seven and five and then you make the playoffs and then stuff happens. We have this very bizarre run where we are 10 and one essentially every year. And then either completely collapse or make it to the Super Bowl.

• 5:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 5:56Andy Greenwald?

  And I know, no one's complaining.

• 5:58Chris Ryan?

  No, there's no, nobody is listening to this pod right now and just saying, these guys, I really feel for them.

• 6:02Andy Greenwald?

  I just want to say that I had a wonderful, I, this is true. I did have a wonderful day regardless. It was tonally different, though, I think, because you are, as I said, a steadying force.

• 6:14Chris Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 6:15Andy Greenwald?

  You know, you don't get too high, you don't get too low. When I turned to our mutual friend Tyler, who is nice enough to host, and said, they're going to lose this game. That was, I believe, the top of the second half, and it was 21-0.

• 6:27Chris Ryan?

  Yes, I had a similar sentiment.

• 6:29Andy Greenwald?

  But you would have been a corrective. What Tyler didn't, God bless him, and he'll love to be shouted out like this, is that what he then spent the second half doing was giving Sora AI a series of prompts to create videos of him in a fur coat interacting with Eagles fans on the streets of Philadelphia, which, including singing in a church choir with them.

• 6:50Chris Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 6:51Andy Greenwald?

  Which did keep the mood different.

• 6:54Chris Ryan?

  You like that?

• 6:55Andy Greenwald?

  See, you think this is, you think this is a wedge issue now. You're seeing my interest in his really, really crazy videos as a sign that I'm willing to bend the knee to Sam Altman.

• 7:06Chris Ryan?

  I'm just saying, another version of you would have left. The second that, that, you know, that video, that Sora got broken out, you would have been like, I can't be in the same house as this.

• 7:17Andy Greenwald?

  Let me, let me complicate your moral stance. Prior to the Sora being broken out, the Jones-on-third takeout was broken out.

• 7:24Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 7:24Andy Greenwald?

  And I was like, I gotta finish this turkey club. This is abhorrent to me morally.

• 7:30Chris Ryan?

  It would have been awesome if you had stormed out when the AI got broken out, but then you had been like, hold on, came back and put your sandwich in your bag and left.

• 7:39Chris Ryan?

  Andy, it is Thanksgiving week.

• 7:40Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 7:41Chris Ryan?

  It's Thursday. I've been reliably told.

• 7:45Andy Greenwald?

  Thanksgiving is on Thursday. I mean, today is not Thursday.

• 7:47Chris Ryan?

  No, I know. And so we're not going to have a show on Thursday. I wanted to ask you whether or not, you know, over the last, I guess, it used to be the Providence, it was just like, this is the land of parades. Maybe a couple of specials, but not a lot of TV going on. There's usually a Survivor finale around Thanksgiving.

• 8:04Andy Greenwald?

  Sure.

• 8:04Chris Ryan?

  But in terms of like Thanksgiving watching, and I gotta say, not a ton left in the TV watching schedule for us. So we're going to be pivoting probably in the next two weeks to end of the year content for us, end of the year programming. Because there's like Fallout and a couple of other shows. Obviously, the big one is this staggered rollout of Stranger Things that they're adopting for this final season. So the first four episodes, I believe, are coming out on Wednesday night. Your children are here. What's up? What's up to them? Do you think that this is going to be a big event for you guys?

• 8:37Andy Greenwald?

  They've never watched Stranger Things, so no.

• 8:38Chris Ryan?

  I think I asked you that and you told me that. That's my bad. Yeah.

• 8:40Andy Greenwald?

  Hundred percent no. Um, I did say, and they'll love that I'm talking about this. We were doing some mall shopping this weekend and I was, I noted with interest that every single store that-

• 8:52Chris Ryan?

  Is full Stranger Things.

• 8:54Andy Greenwald?

  Every one has a Stranger Things collab or activation.

• 8:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's international.

• 8:57Andy Greenwald?

  It's big.

• 8:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 8:58Andy Greenwald?

  So that's my, this is only on this podcast can you get this kind of cutting edge content. Haven't seen the show, don't plan to, but saw some sweatshirts.

• 9:06Chris Ryan?

  The counter programming to Stranger Things this week would be probably Disney Plus airing The Beatles Anthology with some additional Beatles Anthology footage of the Beatles, surviving Beatles, listening to and putting together the anthology.

• 9:20Andy Greenwald?

  I was so excited for the punctuation to fall differently. I thought you said some alternate footage of the Beatles surviving.

• 9:26Chris Ryan?

  Don't do that.

• 9:28Andy Greenwald?

  Of John Lennon.

• 9:29Chris Ryan?

  I'm not supposed to laugh at that.

• 9:30Andy Greenwald?

  John Lennon doing what, uh, Ally Larder did on Landman 2 and just disarming the dude?

• 9:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 9:36Andy Greenwald?

  And then Yoko trips him? And then what happens for the next 40 years?

• 9:41Chris Ryan?

  Um, so those are the two big shows this week. I don't think I'm going to check out The Beatles Anthology. I feel like I'm Beatles, I'm, I'm up to my brim in Beatles at this point.

• 9:50Andy Greenwald?

  And also you gotta save a little bit of juice for the four movies that are forthcoming, right?

• 9:55Chris Ryan?

  Twenty, I think those are 27. Is it when they're gonna drop?

• 9:58Andy Greenwald?

  It would have to be, yeah.

• 9:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Um, so what are we watching instead? Well, this is what I'm doing. This is what I did this weekend. I watched four hours of the American Revolution.

• 10:08Andy Greenwald?

  This is great for you.

• 10:09Chris Ryan?

  Uh, Ken Burns' new documentary that's on PBS. It's a six-part, 12-hour, uh, piece about the American Revolution. Obviously, a lot of, uh, the, the episodes like focus on areas that we grew up mere miles away from.

• 10:24Andy Greenwald?

  Sure. Should I say the name? Should I say Valley Forge?

• 10:27Chris Ryan?

  Just go ahead, son.

• 10:29Andy Greenwald?

  That's it.

• 10:29Chris Ryan?

  No, what about like Independence Mall and everything?

• 10:31Andy Greenwald?

  Oh, like in Philadelphia? Sure.

• 10:33Chris Ryan?

  Of course. Um- This is, I had this really amazing experience as I turned this on. Obviously, this has been lauded. People are talking about this a lot. We've been asked to discuss this. I don't really know if I'm gonna get into like any minute detail about the episodes. I wouldn't want to spoil.

• 10:49Andy Greenwald?

  You're not gonna spoil the American Revolution.

• 10:51Chris Ryan?

  I will say that as soon as Peter Carter's voice comes on, and he says the name of a year, and then he starts talking about what's happening, I felt, it wasn't even goosebumps, it was like I was transported back. And I realized that these documentaries, Civil War, baseball,

• 11:09Andy Greenwald?

  Jazz.

• 11:10Chris Ryan?

  Jazz, country, the World War II doc, the West, and even Vietnam recently, like, have kind of served as this drumbeat in the background of my mind throughout my entire life. And especially like, this was like, the Civil War was such a big deal when it came out.

• 11:27Andy Greenwald?

  Did you watch it with your parents?

• 11:28Chris Ryan?

  I did. And that was kind of like, I almost felt like, you know, we turned the lights off in the living room, we fired it up, and I was like, I'm back in like, my parents' living room, listening to this voice, and listening to this, you know, the beautiful scores that he always puts together. And then the voice cast for this, The American Revolution, I don't know if you've read anything about it?

• 11:45Andy Greenwald?

  No.

• 11:46Chris Ryan?

  So, Brolin is George Washington.

• 11:48Andy Greenwald?

  Oh damn, oh, they cast it like that?

• 11:50Chris Ryan?

  Oh, they got Giamatti back for John Adams, again and again.

• 11:54Andy Greenwald?

  The iconic performance.

• 11:55Chris Ryan?

  Tom Hanks, Meryl Streep, Claire Danes is Abigail Adams.

• 11:59Andy Greenwald?

  Is Leslie Odom Jr. still playing Aaron Burr?

• 12:01Chris Ryan?

  I haven't gotten to Burr yet.

• 12:03Andy Greenwald?

  I heard he's back.

• 12:03Chris Ryan?

  Um, playing all British people is Kenneth Branagh, like,

• 12:08Andy Greenwald?

  He's playing all the Brits?

• 12:09Chris Ryan?

  No, it's like Kenneth Branagh, Tobias Menzies, Donald Gleason, uh, wait, is it Donald or Donald? Donald Gleason, uh, yeah, was there somebody else? Alan Cumming, I think, is in it?

• 12:21Andy Greenwald?

  That's my guy.

• 12:22Chris Ryan?

  Um, and then, yeah, like, the one that jumped out at me, weirdly, because you know how like, in the Civil War, they'll have like, they'll find characters who have somehow like woven through the entire history of the war, and like, they were at Shiloh, and then they were in

• 12:37Andy Greenwald?

  People, like, they'll find the individual?

• 12:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, and they're always writing letters back.

• 12:41Andy Greenwald?

  They were writing a lot of letters.

• 12:42Chris Ryan?

  Well, then, then the Shokin farewell drops, and you're like, somehow crying about a guy who died in 1862. Um, Joe Keery, from Stranger Things,

• 12:51Andy Greenwald?

  Oh yeah.

• 12:51Chris Ryan?

  plays a piper, I guess, like a, like a military fife player.

• 12:57Andy Greenwald?

  Flutist, if you will.

• 12:58Chris Ryan?

  I don't know if it's a flute, though.

• 12:59Andy Greenwald?

  No, it's different. It's a fife.

• 13:00Chris Ryan?

  It's a fife, you know? And he plays this guy Johnny Greenwood.

• 13:04Andy Greenwald?

  Come on.

• 13:04Chris Ryan?

  I know.

• 13:05Andy Greenwald?

  Stop.

• 13:05Chris Ryan?

  Uh, and it's, he's very good. It's like, it's very effective.

• 13:09Andy Greenwald?

  Is it as, is Joe Keery playing Johnny Greenwood on Fife better or worse than Johnny Greenwood opening with Planet Telex at the O2 Arena this weekend in London? Which, pick your Johnny Greenwood, because I have more FOMO about one than the other, I'm gonna be honest with you.

• 13:24Chris Ryan?

  I know, but I highly, highly recommend The American Revolution to anybody with even a passing interest in like, you know, what, what being an American means. And I think when you look at the total like contribution of what Ken Burns has done over the last 40 years, 30 years, uh, it's gonna be one of the most significant sort of bodies of work in, honestly, in American popular culture.

• 13:49Andy Greenwald?

  Can I ask you like a, just like a real personal question though about this?

• 13:52Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 13:52Andy Greenwald?

  That's for both of us. Given our recent, uh, global meanderings, like, did you feel like a little torn as to which side you were on?

• 14:00Chris Ryan?

  Well, they go to great lengths to explain mostly how like, what a bunch of crazy hypocrites all founded about this world.

• 14:08Andy Greenwald?

  Oh, our dudes?

• 14:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, they don't cancel them, but they're just like, this guy was a slave owner, just FYI, you know?

• 14:13Andy Greenwald?

  Do they say it like that?

• 14:16Chris Ryan?

  That's, you know, many people are saying. That's Peter Coyote, that's my Peter Coyote voice.

• 14:22Andy Greenwald?

  It's really good.

• 14:23Chris Ryan?

  Um, Peter Coyote, 84 years young, just still grinding out 12 hours of, of Doc Vio.

• 14:28Andy Greenwald?

  Just roll him in the booth.

• 14:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 14:30Andy Greenwald?

  One of my favorite memories, um, of working with the elderly was wheeling 80-plus-year-old Ed Asner into the ADR booth to do ADR for the USA television show Briar Patch. And he just, you put him in, they run the scene, he commented on the women's rear ends on the scene, delivered the lines like a pro, and wheeled out.

• 14:50Chris Ryan?

  Rest in power.

• 14:51Andy Greenwald?

  Seriously though, like, that's a pro's pro.

• 14:53Chris Ryan?

  Do you have a favorite Burns? Do you, have you, have you watched these like over the course of your life at all?

• 14:57Andy Greenwald?

  I, the, the, the big three: Civil War, baseball, and jazz.

• 15:01Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 15:01Andy Greenwald?

  Uh, my three passions, to this day.

• 15:05Chris Ryan?

  Power rating those. Wait, let's seriously power rate those.

• 15:09Andy Greenwald?

  Like in terms of how much they mean to me now?

• 15:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, how important they are to you.

• 15:12Andy Greenwald?

  Huh. Well, I, I, in terms of Doc, Civil War was awesome.

• 15:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 15:16Andy Greenwald?

  I would say in terms of how I've lived my life, I think it's probably in the three hole.

• 15:20Chris Ryan?

  Okay, yeah, sure.

• 15:21Andy Greenwald?

  Uh, I would say that baseball was leading for a long time.

• 15:24Chris Ryan?

  I was like, support.

• 15:26Andy Greenwald?

  Number one.

• 15:27Chris Ryan?

  Thinking about it all the time.

• 15:28Andy Greenwald?

  Just kind of want to re-litigate it.

• 15:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 15:30Andy Greenwald?

  Um, baseball was really, really in the leadoff spot for a long time, but recently, as I've been, uh, trying to wind down from work and cook dinner.

• 15:39Chris Ryan?

  Jazz.

• 15:40Andy Greenwald?

  Jazz has overtaken baseball.

• 15:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I really, I think I liked country, not country more than jazz. I think I've seen country more recently than jazz.

• 15:48Andy Greenwald?

  Right.

• 15:49Chris Ryan?

  Baseball was in the throes of my.

• 15:52Andy Greenwald?

  Are we talking about the doc or the thing?

• 15:53Chris Ryan?

  No, I'm, we're kind of going back and forth.

• 15:55Andy Greenwald?

  Okay.

• 15:55Chris Ryan?

  When baseball came out was when I was like so blindly out of my mind about baseball.

• 16:01Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 16:02Chris Ryan?

  But too much so that when it started, I was like, when are they going to get to Marquise Grissom?

• 16:09Andy Greenwald?

  Did they?

• 16:10Chris Ryan?

  No, I don't think so.

• 16:12Andy Greenwald?

  Terry Pendleton, the hot corner. Bring me up to the present day.

• 16:15Chris Ryan?

  I don't want to read about these guys like playing three fingered baseball outside of Gettysburg in 1860.

• 16:21Andy Greenwald?

  You want to see Vince Coleman put in context. Properly. The Speedster.

• 16:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 16:28Andy Greenwald?

  Okay, that's exciting. What do you think? This is, this is difficult to ask just off the top of the dome, but.

• 16:33Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 16:34Andy Greenwald?

  If you could, right now, put on your, um, okay, let's say we, let's say we win the bidding war for HBO Max, which I haven't talked to our money guys in a while, but doesn't seem likely.

• 16:45Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 16:46Andy Greenwald?

  But I appreciate that we put our foot in the, in the, in the ring. You don't put feet in ring, hat in the ring.

• 16:51Chris Ryan?

  Throw your hat in the ring.

• 16:51Andy Greenwald?

  Sure. Our baseball hats. Um, what would you, if you could commission a documentary from Ken Burns about American history?

• 17:03Andy Greenwald?

  It doesn't have to be as sweeping, you know, it doesn't have to be as iconic.

• 17:09Chris Ryan?

  No, yeah, right, because like, I mean, National Parks is one of my favorites of his. And it's like, not, it's obviously one of the great sort of achievements of American governance or whatever, but like.

• 17:19Andy Greenwald?

  Off the dome, do you know the relationship between the battling Burns brothers? Because there's a Rick Burns who makes documentaries too.

• 17:25Chris Ryan?

  What's he make them about, like?

• 17:26Andy Greenwald?

  No, like he made Empire State Building, like he makes documentaries. And I don't think it's uncivil, I just think it's interesting that two brothers just have a passion for.

• 17:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I should say Ken Burns has several partners that he works with, Sarah Botzin and David Schmidt on this one.

• 17:38Andy Greenwald?

  Can I, can I give you my pitch for it?

• 17:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 17:40Andy Greenwald?

  Uh, I read a, uh, I read a really interesting nonfiction book about two years ago called Ninth Street Women, which is about women, female painters in the, uh, post-World War II era. So like, like, uh, Joan Mitchell and Elaine de Kooning, and it sort of tells the story of American art from an, uh, previously underexplored perspective. But what I found really, really compelling about it was that it was, it goes from the end of World War II and the atom bomb, so from the late 40s through the 50s, into the period that we think of as like a enormous creative and cultural flowering in America in the 60s, but really talking about what the 50s were like.

• 18:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 18:21Andy Greenwald?

  From a perspective of the people who would define the 60s. So it gets into counterculture and creativity and art before it was mainstream.

• 18:31Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 18:31Andy Greenwald?

  In a way, and not, that's a facile way to put it, but I feel like that era.

• 18:36Chris Ryan?

  1950s, American popular culture.

• 18:38Andy Greenwald?

  Kind of boring on the surface, or we think we know it, like in the way that Mad Men kind of.

• 18:42Chris Ryan?

  Is that kind of like when Rauschenberg starts, or is that?

• 18:44Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah, all these artists who were deeply, deeply impacted by, uh, the war, but then also the country's like wild swing towards we must do TV dinners and be normal because now we have the power to burn suns, like.

• 18:58Chris Ryan?

  Is that what happened?

• 18:59Andy Greenwald?

  That's just my, this is a podcast, you know what I mean?

• 19:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:03Andy Greenwald?

  Uh, yeah, I think that would be interesting.

• 19:06Chris Ryan?

  Um, what I want.

• 19:09Chris Ryan?

  Maybe I would be very curious. I mean, he did a, I think he did a Dust Bowl, uh, doc. I would be curious about the, the roaring twenties. Maybe the roaring twenties.

• 19:21Andy Greenwald?

  Because we're doing it again without the fun?

• 19:22Chris Ryan?

  Well, I would just be, I mean, like, that would be, I, I find that his, I, I gravitate a little bit more towards the stuff that he does where the Ken Burns effect on still photography or on paintings and maps hits me harder than, say, Vietnam and to some extent, World War II, which are beautiful, beautiful, beautiful pieces of work. But it has so much footage and in some ways, like the Vietnam stuff, even though there's things in Vietnam that I never knew about, you know, it was an absolutely astonishing documentary. Because like the music and the footage is so like ingrained in my mind through like Apocalypse Now and Platoon and Deer Hunter. It was almost like, I felt like it was a little bit, I trod that ground before, whereas when you watch,

• 20:06Chris Ryan?

  when you watch the American Revolution and he is able to build up to Jefferson writing the Declaration of Independence as if it was the cliffhanger of like a great epic, you know, series. And you know, it's coming and you know who writes it and you know, you know what you know about it. But it was just, it's the end of the second episode is they get to the Declaration of Independence and you're just like, holy moly. You know, this is amazing.

• 20:32Andy Greenwald?

  He did that.

• 20:33Chris Ryan?

  He did that.

• 20:34Andy Greenwald?

  Uh, I think just from, if I could answer for you, and I will check this out.

• 20:40Chris Ryan?

  I'd say the roaring twenties, but go ahead and answer for me.

• 20:42Andy Greenwald?

  I'd like to answer for you. I think that you would be compelled by, uh, Cigarette, an American story that tells the story of smoking and the tobacco leaf throughout the centuries.

• 20:52Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 20:53Andy Greenwald?

  Also, do you think that at some point as like a desperate cash grab, Ken Burns will do Meet Me in the Bathroom, the early 2000s?

• 21:01Chris Ryan?

  I think you could dream a little bit bigger.

• 21:02Andy Greenwald?

  And then you could, it's like you writing an email from your Hotmail account to me.

• 21:06Chris Ryan?

  No, I would be the new Peter Coyote. That's, no.

• 21:08Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah, but you would be one of the characters because you were everywhere.

• 21:10Chris Ryan?

  In 2002, Julian Casablanca was at.

• 21:14Andy Greenwald?

  Tim Goldworthy was producing for Trip Hop Axe when he received a call from James Murphy.

• 21:20Chris Ryan?

  That was the year James Gray released A Million Little Pieces, you know?

• 21:24Andy Greenwald?

  James Frey, right?

• 21:25Chris Ryan?

  Frey, sorry.

• 21:26Andy Greenwald?

  James, I thought you were going like, that was the year James Gray directed Little Odessa. See, this is gold. First of all, I'm

• 21:35Chris Ryan?

  Sure, Ken Burns is taking notes, yeah.

• 21:37Andy Greenwald?

  Kaya, the headline for this podcast being Andy and Chris suggest

• 21:42Chris Ryan?

  Ken Burns documentary.

• 21:45Chris Ryan?

  What about this? What about this Eagles season? But he has to do it the way. So it's just like.

• 21:51Andy Greenwald?

  I think it's just letters from the Kobe Dean.

• 21:53Chris Ryan?

  In 2025, Nick Sirianni lost his mind.

• 21:57Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 21:58Chris Ryan?

  He thought if he ran Saquon Barkley into the backs of six foot four men 100 times one day.

• 22:04Andy Greenwald?

  Nonstop.

• 22:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. A couple of trailers before we get going into the in-depth and sober conversations about Landman that we are known for.

• 22:14Chris Ryan?

  Industry, season four, the teaser dropped.

• 22:16Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 22:16Chris Ryan?

  It's the only thing I'm gonna watch. I don't want to watch a trailer for this now. A perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect amuse bouche for this series. I cannot wait. January 11th, I believe it comes back.

• 22:28Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 22:29Chris Ryan?

  We get a couple of glimpses of Max Menhella and Kiran Shipka.

• 22:35Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 22:36Chris Ryan?

  And Cal Penn.

• 22:38Andy Greenwald?

  Yes.

• 22:38Chris Ryan?

  As the additions. There's some speculation online that David Johnson is in this teaser. I did not catch that.

• 22:43Andy Greenwald?

  I didn't see that, but Charlie Heaton, I believe that guy's name.

• 22:46Chris Ryan?

  That is right. He's in The nightclub. Yes.

• 22:48Andy Greenwald?

  Just, I'd love to bring it back to Stranger Things whenever possible.

• 22:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 22:51Andy Greenwald?

  He's in this.

• 22:52Chris Ryan?

  And obviously Kit Harrington back. And so this looked borderline like like a psychosexual thriller.

• 23:01Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 23:02Chris Ryan?

  And we are obviously now contemplating this series without PeerPoint. But what were your takes on the teaser?

• 23:10Andy Greenwald?

  It's a beautiful teaser. I agree with you. I'm good. I would say two things. One, beautiful, I will say beautiful again. It is, it looks gorgeous. The imagery is rich and iconic is the wrong word, but they're playing with a much, much, much more expensive visual palette, which doesn't mean they got their budget increased. I just mean that one of the things that we were fascinated by in the third season, I think, was Mickey Down and Conrad K. are friends of the pod. Took a bigger step forward, not just in terms of their creative storytelling, but creatively, full stop. They directed the last episodes of that season. They are directing on this season as well. And they are taking the show into a visual, a different visual

• 23:53Andy Greenwald?

  landscape. It's more Baroque. There are scenes that look straight out of like Sofia Coppola's Marie Antoinette, or further back to Barry Lyndon, almost. And we commented on that in the last season. I think that's fascinating. And I think that without getting into the content of it, which we haven't engaged with, I think it's exciting to see shows take, continue to take massive steps up in terms of ambition, certainly. And the other thing that I really enjoyed about the trailer was that it seemed to communicate a very tight focus on the relationship between Harper and Yasmin, which has always been there, and has in many ways been the heartbeat of the series. But I am also a fan of shows

• 24:38Andy Greenwald?

  that find their purpose in the show itself. Like, I don't know, actually, I feel confident saying this without having them here to back me up or contradict me, that if you had pulled those guys aside four, or five, or six years ago-

• 24:51Chris Ryan?

  Instead, is this show about these two people?

• 24:53Andy Greenwald?

  And about how they-

• 24:54Chris Ryan?

  And their relationship.

• 24:55Andy Greenwald?

  Do or do not look after each other, and how they cannot quit each other. I don't think that would have been the answer. And I think that in TV, that's great. In movies, that's a problem.

• 25:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 25:03Andy Greenwald?

  But in TV, if you are given the runway to grow, and if you have the chops and the ambition to deliver on that, it's okay to find your story as you go, because we certainly haven't suffered in terms of plot up to this point. So I find that really interesting.

• 25:17Chris Ryan?

  The only other trailer worth noting, I think, that came out this weekend, or today, is the Y Marshals, Y colon Marshals, which is the Casey spinoff of Yellowstone starring Luke Grimes. I only mention this, I promise not to belabor the Taylor Sheridan stuff, but that's my favorite character from Yellowstone. Now, Casey is an ex-military guy who comes back and is like, living adjacent to Yellowstone, in Yellowstone, the series. He's living adjacent to Dutton Ranch, and he has like, a real push-pull relationship with his dad and his family and his legacy-

• 25:53Andy Greenwald?

  Who's his dad?

• 25:54Chris Ryan?

  John Dutton, the Kevin Costner character.

• 25:56Andy Greenwald?

  Oh, okay.

• 25:57Chris Ryan?

  And- He uh likes to, likes to kill guys um in his, in his role as a, I believe Bureau of Land Management, but I can't quite, maybe Ranchers Association.

• 26:09Andy Greenwald?

  You're just making up words now.

• 26:10Chris Ryan?

  There's a lot of like weird like, is this actually a governmental agency or just a kill squad stuff going on?

• 26:15Andy Greenwald?

  Like the people who investigate old age homes on Land Management. Some extra legal.

• 26:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, um but in this, he obviously joins the United States Marshals, a group led by another actor I like quite a bit, Logan Marshall Green. So the thing I wanted to mention is just that this is apparently going to be on CBS. Um as opposed to Paramount Plus, which most of Taylor Sheridan's stuff is. It also says executive produced by Taylor Sheridan. So I wonder whether or not, I think I mentioned when we were going through his, his sort of work that he owes quote unquote Paramount before moving to Peacock. I think he's executive producing this. I don't know if he's writing it. I didn't, I didn't catch who was. But CBS and a different writer, it'll probably be a different kind of show. I think maybe a little bit more procedural.

• 26:59Andy Greenwald?

  I would like it if I could downgrade my own life from prestige streaming to basic broadcast network. I just feel like that would lower the temperature, you know, and the stakes to a degree that I think would be nice. Don't you think we should be able to do that?

• 27:13Chris Ryan?

  I mean, it would be cool just to be like, there's no profanity, there's no gaping wounds and we'll be back next week.

• 27:18Andy Greenwald?

  And who's the director of the FBI for us? Whoever is the director of the FBI on a Dick Wolf show. Who's just like, let's get the bad guys, not let's protect my girlfriend. You know what I mean? Like, just get the priorities right. I would like that. I, I watched the trailer and I had two main takeaways. One, gorgeous.

• 27:37Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 27:37Andy Greenwald?

  Gorgeous scenery.

• 27:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 27:39Andy Greenwald?

  Two, I'm really glad we're finally.

• 27:40Chris Ryan?

  As featured in, in Ken Burns's documentary, Babe the West.

• 27:43Andy Greenwald?

  See, that's, it's all connected. It's all one series. I thought it looked beautiful.

• 27:47Chris Ryan?

  Charlie Heaton also walking across the.

• 27:49Andy Greenwald?

  Briefly, you didn't notice him in either. Uh, that's one takeaway. Second takeaway is I'm very grateful that there will finally be an hour long show that will, once and for all, answer the question, can you be a good person if you do bad things?

• 28:01Chris Ryan?

  I don't, I don't think we're going to get to the bottom of it and why Marshall's season one.

• 28:04Andy Greenwald?

  You think later on?

• 28:05Chris Ryan?

  He's season two, three, we get, we get more of a clear answer.

• 28:08Andy Greenwald?

  It's funny, it, it does. You could watch it on mute and you would know whose show it is, not because of the Yellowstoneish settings, but because there's warbird helicopters just looming out of not just like the budget

• 28:20Chris Ryan?

  Warbird or helicopter style?

• 28:22Andy Greenwald?

  I don't, you know what? It's a point of pride for me that I cannot distinguish.

• 28:26Chris Ryan?

  I know too. Apache and Blackhawk.

• 28:29Andy Greenwald?

  Okay, that's great. How many do you think there are total?

• 28:31Chris Ryan?

  Like dozens, I'm sure.

• 28:33Andy Greenwald?

  Or there are four. What would be more surprising to you? Over, under?

• 28:39Chris Ryan?

  It would be surprising to me if the military industrial complex was like, we're good at four.

• 28:44Andy Greenwald?

  That's right, brother.

• 28:47Andy Greenwald?

  You're starting to see the big picture.

• 28:49Chris Ryan?

  Well, Thomas Jefferson opened my eyes.

• 28:51Andy Greenwald?

  That's right.

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• 30:31Chris Ryan?

  Last week, when we talked about Landman extensively.

• 30:34Andy Greenwald?

  And we're gonna talk about Pluribus too, right?

• 30:35Chris Ryan?

  I was gonna say, why don't we start with Pluribus to not give a short shrift at the end of a dizzying Landman discussion?

• 30:42Andy Greenwald?

  I feel like, once people heard we were doing PBS docs, they locked in, but okay, sure.

• 30:47Chris Ryan?

  Episode four for Pluribus, written by Alison Tallock, who worked on Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, and is a Vince Gilligan Coaching Tree member. And this one is, you know, picks up largely right after episode three, where there's been this grenade explosion and Zosha's been injured. But Carol is undeterred in her quest for, basically applying a narrative and getting a sense of the story that she is now occupying, which I thought was kind of the sort of underlying theme of this episode, was this, what would happen if a writer was put into this position? And started to try and put together a story and put together rules of a universe?

• 31:31Chris Ryan?

  We also have a really interesting cold open that will probably impact later with the other resistant survivor of this situation. What did you think of the episode?

• 31:42Andy Greenwald?

  I loved this episode. I thought this was the strongest episode since the pilot, and I've liked all of them. But I thought this episode had such propulsion, the logic that is the hallmark of all Vince Gilligan shows, if not this, then that. You know, you see that, and even in the opening with the guy, Minusos, in Paraguay, like, you see his thought process, you understand his circumstance all silently.

• 32:09Chris Ryan?

  You sprinkled a little bit on Paraguay there.

• 32:11Andy Greenwald?

  Just a little bit.

• 32:11Chris Ryan?

  I caught it. I just wanted to make sure our listeners did.

• 32:13Andy Greenwald?

  You were using your authority on war helicopters, and I was doing my part to just make sure the show has a little, this show, The Watch, has a little cultural sensitivity in these broken times. That the intelligence on a character and emotional level, which would be Carol, starting to work through something, right? Starting to begin to put together a plan, begin to put together a goal, and begin to see how she can use the situation to her advantage. One of the things that I don't think is really a nitpick, but you did, because you got a sense from some of the other survivors, like, how they were using this new reality.

• 32:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, they were like, I hit the lottery.

• 32:57Andy Greenwald?

  In more selfish ways.

• 32:58Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 32:59Andy Greenwald?

  There is the kind of like fanfiction redditor version of watching the show where you're like, well, why isn't she just asking about all the secrets in the world? Like about whether-

• 33:08Chris Ryan?

  Who killed JFK?

• 33:09Andy Greenwald?

  Exactly. Like, what was Ken Burns gonna make his next documentary on? Before he was unfortunately joined to the great collective in the sky?

• 33:16Chris Ryan?

  Well, she would be able to get visited by Ken Burns, theoretically.

• 33:19Andy Greenwald?

  That's right.

• 33:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:19Andy Greenwald?

  And Ken could be like, "That's what Rick was gonna do next? God damn it."

• 33:25Andy Greenwald?

  But that she used it to ask about the most important question to her, which is not necessarily about secrets of Planet Earth, but about what her wife truly thought about her work. So I just thought that there was like, a really, really smart and elegant aligning of the larger plot propulsion with her own internal needs. I thought that was so well done. I also really appreciated the return of Menace, because in the first episode, you have that great-

• 33:56Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 33:57Andy Greenwald?

  George Romero, Night of the Living Dead, kind of horrific sequence. And then since then, it has been played, mostly for laughs, in a way that makes me laugh every time. One of the best things about the show is every time anyone says, "Hi Carol," I laugh.

• 34:12Chris Ryan?

  It's really funny.

• 34:13Andy Greenwald?

  It's funny, no matter what.

• 34:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:15Andy Greenwald?

  It's such a recurring, such a reliable bit. But the way this episode ended, with the intensity of the hive mind and the group, first of all, just physically appearing, and then weeping, and then speaking in one, asking to save a life, "Please move aside," and you understood, again, the stakes that she was existing in, in terms of every life on Earth. It was super creepy, and we can, I'll cede the floor, but like, I thought that this was also one of the show's thus far strongest, strongest episodes in terms of, boy, AI is a nightmare. So we'll circle back to that.

• 34:51Chris Ryan?

  What did you think about the foregrounding of her identity as a writer? Because I thought- Aside from, obviously, there is, we get a glimpse of her whiteboard. We actually got a cool email about, um, somebody from, a listener named Lauren emailed us about just being blown away by this hidden kind of mid-century modern writer's enclave that she has with the whiteboard, trying to come up with new ideas for her romant- romanticy.

• 35:19Andy Greenwald?

  The White Caro books.

• 35:20Chris Ryan?

  Series. And then she starts to apply that kind of, kind of architecture to her current situation.

• 35:27Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 35:27Chris Ryan?

  So writing down the things that she knows about the others. And furthermore, like you just alluded to, you know, it's almost like if you could do, if you could have any wish, if you could ask any question, and hers is like, but did you really like my writing?

• 35:40Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah, that is the most right. Yeah, I mean, all, one of the fun, okay, I'll say this, it's fun for us. I don't actually think it would be interesting to the majority of people who have fallen in love with these shows, but every successful television show of this, maybe of history, but certainly of this prestige era, they are all about writers.

• 35:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 35:59Andy Greenwald?

  And about writers' own experiences and their frustrations being in writers' rooms. Famously, the "that's what the money is for" speech was Matt Weiner's relationship with his mentor David Chase on The Sopranos.

• 36:09Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 36:11Andy Greenwald?

  Vince Gilligan, like, making his main character a writer, like, kind of hiding it for a little while, but a writer who is feeling like she's churning out the same thing over and over again.

• 36:21Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 36:21Andy Greenwald?

  And wants to be appreciated.

• 36:22Chris Ryan?

  Coming off of Vince Gilligan making 10 years or whatever, breaking bad stuff.

• 36:26Andy Greenwald?

  Almost 20 years of his life.

• 36:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 36:27Andy Greenwald?

  Definitely 20 years, considering when he probably wrote the pilot. And is anyone going to like me for the other work that I do, or do they just want me to play the hits?

• 36:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 36:34Andy Greenwald?

  Is profound. And just the whiteboard being a symbol of the way TV is done.

• 36:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 36:41Andy Greenwald?

  By, okay, do we like that idea? Let's put it up on the board and see what it looks like. It's, it's very on the nose, but he, he is, he continues to find a way to make it much more interesting than actually what goes on in these rooms.

• 36:52Chris Ryan?

  Do you have, in the back of your mind, anywhere, watching this?

• 36:59Chris Ryan?

  Like an itch where you're like, and, and what is this about? Like, what's gonna happen? What are, where are we going?

• 37:05Andy Greenwald?

  No, certainly, because this episode asked the big question and didn't shy away from it. Can I stop this? Can I undo this? And in one fraught silence, Carol gets her answer and we get our answer. And it's beautifully played because it's all we need for right now. Is the implication that you could undo it and everyone but these 13 people on earth would die?

• 37:28Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:29Andy Greenwald?

  Could it be reversed? Could it be stopped or could it be reversed? Those are different questions. Suddenly now there's a roadmap and not just a roadmap for Carol, but we understand that the show is, as nice as the collective is being towards her, there is a race on who's gonna beat the other one first.

• 37:46Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 37:47Andy Greenwald?

  That is a pretty successful cadence for a television series.

• 37:50Chris Ryan?

  And does Carol have to essentially indulge in her, I don't want to say nefarious, but perhaps underhanded methods of getting to that finish line? Where these people can't hurt her, can't lie, will do anything for her to make her happy. Carol is drugging them, tricking them, manipulating them, setting off explosives near them. And it could get much worse. It could get a lot darker. It's really interesting you brought up, you brought up the Paraguayan character and the first, the cold open to some extent. And I saw noted in a couple of different recaps of the show that it was,

• 38:32Chris Ryan?

  his response to the others is way more like an alien invasion movie.

• 38:37Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 38:38Chris Ryan?

  He has isolated himself in a storage facility. He's refusing their.

• 38:44Andy Greenwald?

  They're giving him catered meals.

• 38:45Chris Ryan?

  Catered meals and he just tips them over.

• 38:47Andy Greenwald?

  No room service for him.

• 38:48Chris Ryan?

  And he's basically like licking the tins of, of canned food that he's finding in people's.

• 38:55Andy Greenwald?

  Sucking down sugar packets and eating dog food.

• 38:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 38:57Andy Greenwald?

  Couldn't be me.

• 38:57Chris Ryan?

  Yes. So that call happens while Carol's in the plane.

• 39:02Andy Greenwald?

  By the way, that, and it's not just because of the South American setting, but it did give me Eat or Not vibes. Because he's not even leaving a locked facility.

• 39:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 39:13Chris Ryan?

  They're they're obviously like their union, they seem of like minds about the situation. So I'm very excited for their union and I'm excited to see whether or not Carol needs to bring a translator with her.

• 39:25Andy Greenwald?

  She made herself understood.

• 39:27Chris Ryan?

  No, but like if they need to sort of hash out how they're going to do something, obviously, like everybody in the world outside of her knows Spanish, so she could bring somebody, but they're going to then be privy to what they're discussing.

• 39:42Andy Greenwald?

  What how did you what was your take? Well, let me just say one other thing before we get into the actual like mechanics of what she was doing and what she was injecting and when.

• 39:52Andy Greenwald?

  The two great cameos this week.

• 39:57Chris Ryan?

  Jeff Heller.

• 39:58Andy Greenwald?

  Mayor Tim Keller.

• 40:00Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 40:00Andy Greenwald?

  Who's smiling visage greeted me.

• 40:02Chris Ryan?

  And he's actually the mayor of Albuquerque.

• 40:03Andy Greenwald?

  Yes, his smiling visage greeted me every time I got off a plane in Albuquerque. He's been in office quite some time. He's our contemporary, same age as us.

• 40:10Chris Ryan?

  How long has he been in office?

• 40:11Andy Greenwald?

  Clearly accomplished a lot more.

• 40:13Chris Ryan?

  Can you desert term limits in Albuquerque mayoral elections?

• 40:16Andy Greenwald?

  I should have Googled that. Haven't. Don't know, but he was definitely the mayor in 2018 and 2019.

• 40:24Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 40:24Andy Greenwald?

  Oh, maybe maybe he had to step down for a few years. Maybe there was an interregnum. Should we spread a little dirt?

• 40:30Chris Ryan?

  Or we maybe Putin it where like he's now.

• 40:32Andy Greenwald?

  He became the vice mayor for a couple of years.

• 40:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 40:34Andy Greenwald?

  Oh, damn. Albuquerque is a pretty interesting place. I thought that was great. And then Jeff Heller recently off his Emmy win.

• 40:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 40:43Andy Greenwald?

  From somebody somewhere. One of the fun things about the premise is anybody could be on the show, either potentially as themselves, as we saw in the mayor, or any actor could show up at some point also as themselves or as a character. And because it's Vince Gilligan just flexing on the show, he's like, I like that guy. I want him to be the one to deliver some of this news.

• 41:02Chris Ryan?

  Would you have been excited if if Jesse Pinkpin sold her some heroin?

• 41:06Andy Greenwald?

  Oh, well, he didn't dabble in that. He kept it pretty clean. He just stayed with the blue.

• 41:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 41:12Andy Greenwald?

  I did like that scene where the pharmacist is like-

• 41:14Chris Ryan?

  Wait, didn't Jesse's girlfriend?

• 41:16Andy Greenwald?

  Yes, yeah, but he didn't sell it.

• 41:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 41:19Andy Greenwald?

  And also after that happened, which chronologically would be before-

• 41:22Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 41:23Andy Greenwald?

  The events of Florida.

• 41:24Chris Ryan?

  So he probably would have been like, Carol, let me tell you, this is a dark road you're going down.

• 41:27Andy Greenwald?

  I think 100%. And her dad, the air traffic controller, maybe, you know, he had some things to say.

• 41:31Chris Ryan?

  Jesus, forgot about him.

• 41:33Andy Greenwald?

  Start.

• 41:33Chris Ryan?

  Fun show.

• 41:34Andy Greenwald?

  Fun show. So, yeah, so what did you think of the whole truth serum?

• 41:40Chris Ryan?

  Ingenious concept.

• 41:42Andy Greenwald?

  We don't get enough truth serum in shows anymore.

• 41:45Chris Ryan?

  Well, I also liked the fact that she screwed it up.

• 41:48Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 41:49Chris Ryan?

  You know, when she gave it to Zosia, like in that it's not, it wasn't just like, oh yeah, of course, there's just truth serum. It's really easy to give to somebody who's also been through a traumatic medical experience. Do you think, I didn't watch, if there were scenes from next week, I didn't watch them. Zosia, like now two, that's two straight cliffhangers for her?

• 42:09Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah, that's a tough beat for her.

• 42:11Chris Ryan?

  What do you think? She show up in episode five?

• 42:13Andy Greenwald?

  I think so. I think so. Maybe a little extra ration of strawberry milk.

• 42:18Chris Ryan?

  They gonna keep her apart from Carol, who seems dead set on trying to kill her?

• 42:22Andy Greenwald?

  She does like her, though.

• 42:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 42:23Andy Greenwald?

  She likes her, likes her. She admitted it.

• 42:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 42:25Andy Greenwald?

  Under oath. That's what I call sodium pentathol.

• 42:29Chris Ryan?

  Do you think we should do a truth serum episode of this pod?

• 42:32Andy Greenwald?

  Brother, every episode is a truth serum episode. Never lied once.

• 42:36Chris Ryan?

  Neither's Taylor Sheridan.

• 42:37Andy Greenwald?

  To my detriment.

• 42:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Let's get into Landman, episode two, which I think I texted you after I watched.

• 42:44Andy Greenwald?

  You did.

• 42:44Chris Ryan?

  And I said, that was legit good. And then I went back and watched it again.

• 42:49Andy Greenwald?

  Did you change your thoughts?

• 42:50Chris Ryan?

  Well, I wanted to basically, because last time I think we were sort of stunned into awe, but also into incredulity that Angela's white truffle meltdown, and we've gotten several emails about Central Market.

• 43:04Andy Greenwald?

  Oh.

• 43:04Chris Ryan?

  How it would not be in Midland, Angela would have purchased those truffles in Fort Worth and then brought them.

• 43:11Andy Greenwald?

  Well, distance does not seem to be an issue-

• 43:13Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 43:14Andy Greenwald?

  For people with trucks in Texas.

• 43:15Chris Ryan?

  Or private planes.

• 43:16Andy Greenwald?

  Or private planes. They do seem to cover a lot of road miles.

• 43:19Chris Ryan?

  Yes, as does Tommy in this episode, who seemed- To crisscross Texas three times.

• 43:24Andy Greenwald?

  He just turns right. I mean, first of all, we'll get to his parenting style, which I really, really came around to this episode. But he just pulled a U.

• 43:31Chris Ryan?

  So we have a return to the nursing home, which is honestly like giving me a tumor.

• 43:36Andy Greenwald?

  Did you have that on your bingo card?

• 43:37Chris Ryan?

  I knew that it was, I honestly am pretty upset about it. Just kind of like.

• 43:43Andy Greenwald?

  Let me hold space for that. Talk to me.

• 43:44Chris Ryan?

  Okay, no, I, because I don't want to lead with it.

• 43:46Andy Greenwald?

  Okay, what do you want to lead with?

• 43:47Chris Ryan?

  I want to lead with the fact that this was the Cooper Tommy TJ stuff. The Coopers, uh, too good to be true oil wells was a very good corrective.

• 43:59Andy Greenwald?

  Yes.

• 43:59Chris Ryan?

  And that I thought Sam Elliott, Jacob Loughlin and Billy Bob were like, pretty, pretty close to awesome in this episode.

• 44:07Andy Greenwald?

  Yes.

• 44:07Chris Ryan?

  And that there was some stuff that hit right on the head, like Tommy talking about how, you know, like if you have a son, you're basically like, whatever you do to that kid, he's going to do to his kid. And all that stuff. And I thought when him, when, when Cooper's like, I love you. And Tom's like, it's hot today.

• 44:26Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 44:27Chris Ryan?

  This is good stuff. I was like, this is what it's all about.

• 44:30Andy Greenwald?

  There was a beautiful moment in front of a sunset. When I was just looking at the screen and I was like, this is working for me. There's three generations of men, two of whom are in the same generation.

• 44:41Andy Greenwald?

  But it is no less effective.

• 44:44Chris Ryan?

  Ken Burns is the same generation.

• 44:46Andy Greenwald?

  Ken Burns, what, what do you call it when you have an 80 year old, a 70 year old and a 29 year old? And they're just like, ah, we three are the same. We share experience to each other in an absolutely even fashion.

• 45:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 45:02Andy Greenwald?

  It's like that, remember like that old image, Ken Burns knows what I'm talking about of like the arc of man is just like as a baby, as a toddler. And it's just like, and then at the end, it's like that picture. But two on one side of the hill and one guy on the other side of the hill looking at the other guys being like, careful.

• 45:20Andy Greenwald?

  It's great.

• 45:20Chris Ryan?

  Uh, you were saying though, you watching the sunset, did you have like, uh, what was your feeling about their, their acting and their, the writing of those scenes?

• 45:28Andy Greenwald?

  I was, oh, I'll start with the positives. I was truly, truly shocked at the show's ability to twice in an episode just steer out of a ditch of its own making.

• 45:45Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 45:46Andy Greenwald?

  The first one you alluded to, which is, oh, Cooper's too good to be true situation is too good to be true.

• 45:52Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 45:52Andy Greenwald?

  Now, the scold's view of this might be if you lace a storyline with equal amounts of hope and doubt, you have a richer experience. Taylor Sheridan says, hold my beers.

• 46:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 46:06Andy Greenwald?

  What if I told you an absolute, just zipless success story until it ends in a brick wall when dad comes and explains it to him?

• 46:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 46:16Andy Greenwald?

  I maybe wasn't watching the first season as closely as.

• 46:19Chris Ryan?

  They never showed Cooper going to, I don't believe that they ever showed him going to get financing from a shady cartel linked business.

• 46:28Andy Greenwald?

  So him.

• 46:29Chris Ryan?

  It was like him going to other guys.

• 46:31Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah, and being like, I can help you with what you already have.

• 46:35Chris Ryan?

  These big oil companies don't.

• 46:37Andy Greenwald?

  Yes.

• 46:37Chris Ryan?

  Don't like take care of you. I'm interested in like you and this well, and we're going to make money together. And I thought, and then they've kind of changed it to Cooper on the arm, got like $30 million to start digging six wells.

• 46:53Andy Greenwald?

  Which are now.

• 46:54Chris Ryan?

  And hire all these guys, and they've all hit. But I would imagine the fine print of that contract, which Cooper, like up until now, I would have been like, seems like kind of guy who would have read a contract or gotten somebody to read it.

• 47:06Andy Greenwald?

  Super buttoned up.

• 47:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:07Andy Greenwald?

  In the first season, taking care of everything.

• 47:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:09Andy Greenwald?

  Then he becomes essentially a half billionaire overnight, cries about it. His, his girlfriend is just like, I don't like this.

• 47:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:20Andy Greenwald?

  You made too much money too quickly.

• 47:22Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 47:22Andy Greenwald?

  Please leave my home.

• 47:23Chris Ryan?

  You can never not answer your phone, which understandable.

• 47:26Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah, I related to that.

• 47:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:29Andy Greenwald?

  And then turns to his father, who is just like, ah, you have made a generational mistake here, my son. I'm glad you're bringing this to me.

• 47:37Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 47:38Andy Greenwald?

  Look, I don't care how the show stumbles into stakes. I'm glad they found it. And I, and the fact. Did anyone watching Landman think that, first of all, I have a lot of things to say, actually. How much time do we have here? Nate, or Neil, whatever, they've only been sharing a house for a year and a half, but don't get, don't let, don't let facts get in the way of a bit.

• 48:00Andy Greenwald?

  I like that his legal prowess is proved, is borne out by the fact that he, in the midst of all of his other busy work waiting for dinner, Googles Sonrisa and is like, oh, there's a picture of the owner on the internet.

• 48:12Chris Ryan?

  Investabon, yeah.

• 48:13Andy Greenwald?

  And it's the cartel leader from the end of last season.

• 48:15Chris Ryan?

  Played by Andy Garcia.

• 48:16Andy Greenwald?

  So great. But again, however you get there, you got there.

• 48:20Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 48:20Andy Greenwald?

  However many U-turns on a Texas highway it takes, good stuff. Similarly, the Cooper storyline is, and since season one, has been really the only thing that has anything.

• 48:33Chris Ryan?

  It's like Matt Saracen. It's, it's the only, it's the thing that you're like, oh, yes. Okay, I'm, I'm connected to this guy.

• 48:39Andy Greenwald?

  Of a land boy trying to become a landman.

• 48:42Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 48:42Andy Greenwald?

  Is interesting.

• 48:43Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 48:44Andy Greenwald?

  And, again, stumbling into it, finally finding a circumstance in which Tommy cannot lecture his way out of.

• 48:53Chris Ryan?

  Well, he gives it a couple of shots, though.

• 48:55Andy Greenwald?

  He does give it a couple of shots, then emotion gets the better of him. I don't care what it took to get there for him to actually have to shut up, but he got there.

• 49:03Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 49:03Andy Greenwald?

  Now, on the journey to getting there, did he have to mansplain our current government's policy towards open drilling to radio DJs? Yeah, we had that scene. We had, we a hundred percent had that scene.

• 49:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 49:19Andy Greenwald?

  But we got there. So the moment when,

• 49:23Andy Greenwald?

  let me just say it this way, we've watched a lot of compelling television this year. There has been the, the, the anxiety and stress of watching the mass shooting event on the pit. There has been the absolute white knuckle, emotional roller coaster of the four one-shot only episodes of Adolescence.

• 49:41Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 49:41Andy Greenwald?

  But nothing this year on television has had me on the edge of my seat. Like the moment when Tommy turns to his son and says, do you want me to tell you how to deal with a woman? I was like, this is.

• 49:54Chris Ryan?

  But to be fair.

• 49:55Andy Greenwald?

  In so many.

• 49:56Chris Ryan?

  He just said, you got a listener.

• 49:59Andy Greenwald?

  I did not have that on my list of potential responses. Okay, I, if you had just blind called me and given me the setup, I would have given you six responses that would have all been more like from the Andrew Tate playbook.

• 50:14Chris Ryan?

  Yes, of course.

• 50:15Andy Greenwald?

  Then, or the Andrew Huberman playbook, than the Andrew Greenwald playbook, okay?

• 50:20Chris Ryan?

  There's only three Andrews.

• 50:21Andy Greenwald?

  The three Andrews you meet in heaven, but two are on one side of the hill and one's on the other, if you know what I mean. So, kudos. Kudos, Taylor. Kudos, Tommy. A nice scene and fairly good advice.

• 50:34Chris Ryan?

  And kudos to Rebecca Falcone in her new role as legal counsel for MTEx Oil. And she gets to negotiate. And let me tell you something, the only thing that she likes to negotiate more than negotiating is putting her purse right in the crook of her arm when she walks into a negotiation room.

• 50:51Andy Greenwald?

  This is what I wanted to talk about. I, I wonder if it's a little bit of intentional misdirection. Like, let's screw up in one way to cover the other way. Because I continue to believe that no one involved with this show has ever even liaised with anyone in the legal profession. Like, like, not even like a cursory, like, well, we ticked that box. You know what I mean? Like, maybe not even in the contracts. But none of that matters because what they've done is they've cast an actor to play Rebecca, who I don't think has ever held a bag before. Like, I, I, I think she may be a talented actor.

• 51:26Chris Ryan?

  If you know, this might just be Fort Worth bag style. We don't know.

• 51:31Andy Greenwald?

  It could be. The way she holds bags reminds me of the way Steve Carell talks about women's breasts in Forty Year Old Virgin.

• 51:37Chris Ryan?

  I do.

• 51:38Andy Greenwald?

  Certainly a handbag is to be held only in the crook of one's, like, velociraptor arm and carried in the room to distract. And then she just goes in and wrecks shop.

• 51:49Chris Ryan?

  Has she ever walked into a negotiation or a meeting of other lawyers and been like, hey, guys, nice to see you. Uh, let's get to the first agenda item.

• 51:57Andy Greenwald?

  Should we order some Jones on Thursday?

• 51:58Chris Ryan?

  She always walks in as just like you mewling little babies. Yes.

• 52:05Andy Greenwald?

  Can I?

• 52:05Chris Ryan?

  Mother is here.

• 52:08Andy Greenwald?

  It, she was serving.

• 52:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 52:10Andy Greenwald?

  And once again, she told a room full of six people how it was gonna go. And they were like, well.

• 52:14Chris Ryan?

  Respectfully.

• 52:15Andy Greenwald?

  Respectfully, you're right.

• 52:16Chris Ryan?

  You're right.

• 52:17Andy Greenwald?

  You've done it. I love freeze framing the legal scenes like because there's always the principal dude who's about to get cucked.

• 52:25Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 52:25Andy Greenwald?

  There's a secondary dude who's just like, I didn't get cucked with the same ferocity.

• 52:30Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 52:30Andy Greenwald?

  Thus, I want to hire the cucker.

• 52:32Chris Ryan?

  But I'm gonna get a drive by cucking on the way out.

• 52:35Andy Greenwald?

  Sure. Just a little, little taste of it. And then there's the extras, one of whom invariably will just be typing, being like, and then she said, I am a worthless beta. Am I wrong? Cause I think this is the most clever thing about the episode. The guy who got the drive by.

• 52:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 52:53Andy Greenwald?

  Am I right that that is the actor Christopher Stanley, who played Henry Francis?

• 52:59Chris Ryan?

  I think you're right.

• 53:00Andy Greenwald?

  Second husband.

• 53:01Chris Ryan?

  And I was wondering where I'd seen him before.

• 53:05Andy Greenwald?

  Because if so, that is a clever bit of meta.

• 53:08Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 53:09Andy Greenwald?

  Casting.

• 53:09Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 53:10Andy Greenwald?

  Because.

• 53:11Chris Ryan?

  It just shows you how things have changed in this country.

• 53:13Andy Greenwald?

  Don Draper left his wife in this show. He left the earthly plane. And then look who swoops in to make life challenging for him. It's Henry Francis.

• 53:22Chris Ryan?

  You mentioned, uh, Monty, the late, great Monty. He apparently has stolen $400 million.

• 53:29Andy Greenwald?

  It happens.

• 53:30Chris Ryan?

  Uh, and that that is going to be one of the, I mean, I, it's so funny. I want to say, obviously a season long question is going to be.

• 53:37Andy Greenwald?

  We don't know that.

• 53:38Chris Ryan?

  It's like, I think Kami's gonna figure this out after spending 10 minutes in his completely untouched office.

• 53:43Andy Greenwald?

  The Kami office montage was elite. I dare our viewers to set that to any music.

• 53:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 53:51Andy Greenwald?

  Available to them to find the best one. Like one thing that shows up on my feed.

• 53:54Chris Ryan?

  Any song from Brat will work.

• 53:56Andy Greenwald?

  Sure. Yeah. One thing that shows up on my feed constantly is Cholo Dance Daily, where a dude is just doing like big dance, like while the cars are bouncing and you put it to music that it shouldn't fit with, but it does. Do that for the Tammy scene, please.

• 54:08Chris Ryan?

  Kami.

• 54:09Andy Greenwald?

  Okay, fine. Honestly, with the show, it could be Tammy by next week, but her with her like thinking glasses and her Googling.

• 54:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 54:16Andy Greenwald?

  I loved it.

• 54:17Chris Ryan?

  Uh, so there we go. And then we'll probably get some Andy Garcia next week, I would hope.

• 54:20Andy Greenwald?

  Do you feel, how did you feel about Adriana's heel turn? Like, did you, do you?

• 54:25Chris Ryan?

  I think, I, I know you, I know that there are no notes for this show.

• 54:30Andy Greenwald?

  Clearly.

• 54:31Chris Ryan?

  But that felt like a note, not a note, like in terms of it felt alien. It was just like,

• 54:38Chris Ryan?

  they all of a sudden thought of like consequences and obstacles for multiple characters in this episode where there had been none.

• 54:45Andy Greenwald?

  Yes, like if you're.

• 54:46Chris Ryan?

  Like, I was legit, like, what's gonna hap- is Cooper gonna become an evil oil baron? Like, cause he's just made half a billion dollars.

• 54:53Andy Greenwald?

  He's got the low of his life.

• 54:54Chris Ryan?

  And is this about like how oil corrupts the innocent?

• 54:57Andy Greenwald?

  Right.

• 54:58Chris Ryan?

  And no, I mean, we're gonna get, Tommy's gonna have to get involved, get his, get his hands dirty in this like situation. I also just really still like, I, I almost wanna watch Landman with you more than I wanna watch the Eagles with you because I wanna know how you're feeling when we have a five minute scene of guys making venison burritos.

• 55:18Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 55:18Chris Ryan?

  And you're just like, why are we doing this?

• 55:21Andy Greenwald?

  And so that's kind of like.

• 55:23Chris Ryan?

  That's Taylor Sheridan, though. Like, that's, he loves a crew making a meal before they go do something.

• 55:28Andy Greenwald?

  It's lean meat.

• 55:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:29Andy Greenwald?

  It's a, it's organic. So in your mind, to me, the crew making breakfast burritos is like playing, doing 12 personnel, even though we don't have a backup tight end who can block.

• 55:41Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 55:42Andy Greenwald?

  Like, why, why do we keep, why are we bunching personnel at the line?

• 55:44Chris Ryan?

  Asking Cal Quattera to run block, yeah.

• 55:46Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah, or like scheming something up for a back shoulder throw to Kylan Grantson on third and long. Like, what are we doing? And yet, there are people like you who watch that and you're like, didn't expect that. That is a surprise. This really is the two types of people because you could look at Landman and be like, Cooper's attempt to make a name for himself scratching and clawing in the already depleted Permian Basin to win respect of his father and money and status in the world, that is a series long arc. Taylor Sheridan was like, I'm gonna knock that out in the opening eight. And then the real problem is that the cartel owns part of his multi-million dollar business.

• 56:25Chris Ryan?

  And we're all, yeah.

• 56:26Andy Greenwald?

  And you're like, I'm interested.

• 56:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 56:28Andy Greenwald?

  That's interesting.

• 56:29Chris Ryan?

  Well, I think you watch a lot of television, The Royal You, and.

• 56:35Chris Ryan?

  What they do is they'll come up with half a dozen characters and then they're like, well, we have to come up with 18 different things to happen to just these six people.

• 56:44Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 56:44Chris Ryan?

  Over the course of let's elastic, like elastic pull it out so that we get to eight hours, we get to 10 hours. And what Taylor Sheridan does is he fills time by like the most random crap where it'll be like the nursing home scene or and I loathe the nursing home stuff.

• 57:00Andy Greenwald?

  Yeah.

• 57:01Chris Ryan?

  And or like, what is Angela making for dinner tonight? Or what are these guys eating for breakfast before their pre-dawn oil drilling like drive? You know? So it's just a few more slices of life, you know?

• 57:13Andy Greenwald?

  By the way, I realized it in my notes.

• 57:15Chris Ryan?

  And I ate the whole pie.

• 57:16Andy Greenwald?

  I'm calling, I wrote Kami as Tammy and I also wrote Angela's name as Tammy.

• 57:22Andy Greenwald?

  So clearly I am not the watcher on the wall that you guys were promised. It's just all.

• 57:26Chris Ryan?

  What if there's?

• 57:27Andy Greenwald?

  Tammy?

• 57:27Chris Ryan?

  A landman spinoff called The Two Tammys and it's about Kami and Angela.

• 57:32Andy Greenwald?

  Neither of them are Tammys?

• 57:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:35Andy Greenwald?

  I guess the thing that I do respect, even in a, even though it does get my hackles up slightly, is that like Taylor Sheridan just doesn't accept, it's not just that he doesn't accept notes, he just doesn't accept any kind of rational no. Like he creates the scene where they go back to the old age home.

• 57:53Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 57:53Andy Greenwald?

  And get everyone drunk and like an old guy playing pocket pool tossing dollar bills while granny makes a clap like, sure, so far I have no notes.

• 58:03Chris Ryan?

  And then the department.

• 58:04Andy Greenwald?

  The department of old age.

• 58:05Chris Ryan?

  Senior citizens.

• 58:06Andy Greenwald?

  Safety alert.

• 58:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:07Andy Greenwald?

  Come in and as soon as they walk in, I'm like, those guys are trouble.

• 58:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:11Andy Greenwald?

  Those guys don't like to have a good time, you can tell. And then he's like, what I want to happen is I want Angela to end the scene in handcuffs. But logic and the way planet Earth operates does not give me the opportunity because no one who works for the essentially, I imagine, unaccredited state agency to make sure old people aren't getting drunk in the day department. None of them are going to respond to a woman saying, I poured those drinks for them myself by physically assaulting her. And he's just like.

• 58:44Andy Greenwald?

  The play demands it.

• 58:45Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 58:45Andy Greenwald?

  In that, he is like William Shakespeare.

• 58:48Chris Ryan?

  He really is.

• 58:48Andy Greenwald?

  You know what I mean?

• 58:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:49Andy Greenwald?

  Like, I'm sorry, the Globe Theatre crowd is raucous and they demand a circus.

• 58:54Chris Ryan?

  Instead, it's Jerry World. It's AT&T Stadium.

• 58:57Andy Greenwald?

  Well, they demand a nightmare.

• 58:59Chris Ryan?

  Um, we can wrap it up there.

• 59:01Andy Greenwald?

  Okay.

• 59:02Chris Ryan?

  It's been great talking to you today. I feel like we covered a lot of ground.

• 59:05Andy Greenwald?

  Well, we had a lot of ground between us.

• 59:06Chris Ryan?

  And thanks to Kai and Kaya. I hope everybody has a great Thanksgiving. We'll be back remotely, unfortunately, for you. You'll be leaving me, but we'll be back next Monday. We'll probably talk, um, probably talk a little bit of Stranger Things. Even if you don't watch it, I'll probably give like my report card on those first few episodes.

• 59:23Andy Greenwald?

  I'm always ready to learn.

• 59:24Chris Ryan?

  And I'll let you know how the American Revolution works out.

• 59:26Andy Greenwald?

  Which one? The one in Ken Burns or the one that might or may not happen in the next eight days?

• 59:31Chris Ryan?

  Thanks, guys. Have a great Thanksgiving.

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