Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician

Congress is even more corrupt than you may understand. Chris Josephs runs Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker on X and has all the details. (00:00) The Man Behind the Famous X Account, Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker (02:53) The Senator Scandal That Started It All (11:47) How Is Nancy Pelosi’s Net Worth So High? (29:10) How Pelosi Outperforms Professional Stock Traders (34:12) Dan Crenshaw Is Out of Control Paid partnerships with: Beam: Get 47% off for a limited time using the code TUCKER at https://ShopBeam.com/Tucker PureTalk: Get an iPhone 14 or Samsung Galaxy for $0 https://PureTalk.com/Tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Tucker Carlson?

  So Nancy Pelosi's stock tracker is one of those things that I first saw on X on Twitter. And I thought this cannot be, this is obviously fake. In fact, I didn't even consider for a second that it could be real. And then I was sent it by a buddy of mine who spent 30 years on Wall Street. Have you seen this? And I was like, is this real? He's like, it's totally real. We were just talking off camera. It's like at 55, it's shocking for me. It's hard to accept how corrupt the leadership of the country is. It's like I almost can't metabolize it. But I don't think anything has put it into clearer relief than what you have done.

• 0:55Tucker Carlson?

  So you run Nancy Pelosi's stock tracker. It's incredible. I'm first, I'm really glad to meet you.

• 1:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, no.

• 1:01Tucker Carlson?

  And to know that you're real. Who are you? Where are you from? How'd you, how'd you do that?

• 1:06Speaker 01

  How the whole thing started? I mean, I'm 29 now. At 25, would I say that, you know, look in five years from then, I'll be running a Pelosi stock tracker, building an app with the slogan, invest like a politician, having that thing become a thing? No, I don't think I would have ever gotten to that. So at 25, I was actually living in Bali. I quit my New York City job when I was doing finance and I started working on my family company where we would sell sports compression products.

• 1:33Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:34Speaker 01

  Like little ones with numbers on them, a custom ones that you would get for your kid for, you know, Pee Wee football.

• 1:38Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:39Speaker 01

  And I was so sick of the finance grind in New York that I was like, I'm going to work on this family thing. I'm going to try and take it up to another level. I'll go travel around, move to Bali, was doing, working out there for probably like six or seven months, moved back to Boston is where I'm from. Then went up to New Hampshire, became a snowboard instructor, was working on the ski slopes. Yeah, there's a whole story behind it. I was working on the ski slopes. As a snowboard instructor.

• 2:06Tucker Carlson?

  We're in New Hampshire.

• 2:06Speaker 01

  Uh, Bretton Woods.

• 2:07Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  Great, great mountain. Very family, family. And this is my fun. We're all up there. Um, and then when COVID hit, moved back in with my family and then that's how I connected with my co-founders, Brian, Aaron and Scott. They're out in LA and there's a whole story on how I essentially connected with them, which we can get into, but we started building an app together and long story short, I'm sure we'll get into the majority of this stuff. We essentially built out on a tech side, the first way to follow your friend's stock portfolios. So if you had a Robinhood and I had a Weeble or a Fidelity, we would connect it to our app and you can get push notifications of when, you know, a trade would happen. I was the co-founder of it and I was in charge of the growth. And one obvious way to do it, this was during the GameStop era was.

• 2:50Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  Let me build the Nancy Pelosi portfolio. Uh, you know, I'm seeing on Twitter, I'm seeing on TikTok, I'm seeing on Instagram politicians crushing it and them getting called out for their trades, especially during COVID, you know, well.

• 3:03Tucker Carlson?

  I never will forget it.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, you covered it. The, the Richard Burr.

• 3:07Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, it was, and I knew Richard Burr. I was never against Senator Richard Burr of North Carolina. And I saw that and it was, it looked like corruption to me. I was disgusted by it.

• 3:16Speaker 01

  They got investigated by the DOJ, investigated by the SEC, nothing happened. And that story is insane. And I think that story was where it really started to get.

• 3:25Tucker Carlson?

  Can you just give us the outline of it for people?

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, uh, Unusual Whales, he's an account on X. He was the one that initially started all this. So the Pelosi tracker came.

• 3:32Tucker Carlson?

  You know him?

• 3:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. We work with him. He's a great guy.

• 3:36Tucker Carlson?

  I love his, I don't know his name or anything about him, but I love that feed.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Obscure guy, doesn't want the world to know about him, but he actually takes, deserves so much credit for this stuff. I don't think anyone would be.

• 3:47Tucker Carlson?

  Unusual whales.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  Unusual whales on Twitter. Yep. He is the one that would essentially call them out at the beginning. He started the Pelosi tracker, uh, in a way. He was calling out the politician stuff and then the Pelosi tracker came probably in 2022, but he started in 2020. Um, and I think Richard Burr, that whole story started because Unusual Whales started calling it out. The story behind the Richard Burr is around his COVID trades and it, it was a full-on scandal. You covered it at Fox News. The story. is on February 7th, 2020, he wrote an op ed with another senator saying, hey, Americans, don't worry, COVID is not that bad. We're keeping an eye on it. Everything will be okay.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  While he has and writes that op ed, he's getting insider kind of details because he sat as the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee while he was writing that op ed. So while sitting as the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, he's getting private meetings saying, hey, guys, COVID is actually way worse than we think. This is not going to end the same way that people expect. Be ready for some sort of rapid response.

• 4:51Tucker Carlson?

  And the head of SSCI, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, is a major player. And he's not just an average senator. Like, that's a very important position in Washington, in this country, in the world. And so he would have access to a lot of information that fellow senators wouldn't have access to.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Exactly. And he was tasked with partly like, get ready for a response. You know, like, once COVID hits, we think this is going to be bad. Get ready for a response. Have your materials ready to tackle this situation. So he probably knew the severity of it to a 10x what the everyday American and also probably what other senators and representatives did as well. So if you follow the timeline though, February 7th is when he wrote that op ed. February 13th is the day that he went and he sold off 1.65 million dollars of his entire retirement account. So a week after he told the American, yeah, not only just a normal kind of investment account, his retirement account. He sold the whole thing.

• 5:52Tucker Carlson?

  Is it fair to say for non-investor, just to inform the rest of us who are not familiar with the details, to sell off your retirement accounts, like, you're not dicking around at that point?

• 5:58Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no. Yeah, the retirement account is something you don't touch. Like, those are the simply buy and hold, you know, never touch them forever. But selling off that to that degree is extreme. And I think is what caught a lot of people's attention of like, you don't just do that. You know what?

• 6:14Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 6:15Speaker 01

  You don't just do that while you're the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, you know? But to make this, this is why, this is what I get passionate about. It's like, I'm not even a political guy. Like, I'll tell you the whole story of how this started. I didn't grow up being obsessed with politics. I just, citizen journalists kind of see the opportunity and be like, this is fucked up. We should stop this.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  The story, though, then goes, February 13th, he sells off 1.65 million. 30 minutes later, he calls his brother-in-law. And him and his brother-in-law have around a two-minute conversation. The brother-in-law hangs up the phone, calls his financial advisor. His financial advisor doesn't pick up. He then calls his second financial advisor. They pick up, they have around a 30-second conversation. He then goes off and sells off $265,000 of his own portfolio. So now you've got the senator, who's the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, calling up his brother-in-law, them having a conversation, and then the brother-in-law going and selling off 30 seconds after that conversation. Now, I don't, that's sketchy as hell to me.

• 7:19Tucker Carlson?

  The weird thing is that I know the brother-in-law, who was my neighbor, and a super-nice guy, and I sort of knew Burr, not really, but kind of, you know? And so when you live in Wa- and I'm only saying that, it's not unusual that I would know them because I lived in Washington my whole life, but that's kind of one of the reasons we have all this corruption, is that everyone knows everybody else.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:38Tucker Carlson?

  And it's just impossible to believe that someone whose house you've been at many times, and I have, would do something like that. It's just hard, the closer you are to something, the harder it is to, like, having an alcoholic spouse, like you're the last to know.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  A thousand percent. And like, the other argument to be had is like, you know, around February 13th, I don't remember it, you know, I don't remember the headlines that were coming out. Like, how extreme was that? If you're the brother-in-law, of course you sell out, you know?

• 8:00Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  It's not like you're necessarily gonna listen to that, read all the headlines, and do nothing about it. So it's not even necessarily his fault for selling, and I don't think like, that's where the insider trading necessarily happens. I think the culprit is the person who makes that initial phone call, which is, I think, where the investigation happened.

• 8:17Tucker Carlson?

  Of course. So then what'd they do with the money?

• 8:19Speaker 01

  Uh, they keep, so they, that happened on February 13th. And then, the storyline goes, they started having private, Richard Burr started having private conversations with his donors, and then the donors were starting to set all this stuff up. A month later, not even a month, three weeks after that, around March, early March is when the market fell 30%, and they saved themselves millions.

• 8:43Speaker 01

  That all gets blown up because of, again, unusual whales. The SEC gets involved, the DOJ gets involved. They then find nothing. Well, they find all this information. That's how we know about the texts. The FBI came in, but they don't charge them with anything. Nothing happens. Richard Burr retires and, you know, it's just like, again, we were chatting about this off camera. I'm 29. I grew up with this. I'm not surprised by it. I'm just like, yeah, of course, the politicians kind of can build this situation where they benefit. And people will come after them. They'll make a facade. No charges will happen and they'll go off into the sunset.

• 9:18Tucker Carlson?

  So I was raised during the height of empire, you know, our Victorian era. And you were raised in the decline of empire, sort of the post world war era. So totally different perspective. So you're much better situated to understand what's going on, to see it clearly, to not lie to yourself about it.

• 9:38Tucker Carlson?

  That's crazy. So Burr, just to let you know, since I'm from DC, I don't think the head of the Senate Intel Committee can ever be charged with a crime because he knows too much.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  He had to step down too, while he was getting investigated. But yeah, I mean, I believe it.

• 9:54Tucker Carlson?

  Wow. So you're watching this just at home because you said you're not political.

• 9:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm watching this at home while I'm building the social investing app that at the time was called Iris. So that's what's funny about it. I, you know, we run the Pelosi tracker. I'm not a political guy. I'm just an everyday dude, you know? I'm 26, moved out to California to build this with my friends. And then the politics stuff starts happening and like our mission with our app is to try and instill trust back into institutions. And we always wanted to do that. And our bigger picture was financial management and that whole, you know, space. But then we started seeing the politics stuff. It's like, this is incredible that they're able to do this. We have technology and we have the team that we can actually build a way for us to get involved with it.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  And what better way to highlight like the hypocrisy of politician stock trading than to build a way to actually copy them and invest alongside them? And that's like how our app started, but at the time, no, none of that.

• 10:51Tucker Carlson?

  And by the way, it's hilarious. It's just hilarious.

• 10:54Speaker 01

  It shouldn't be.

• 10:55Tucker Carlson?

  No, I know, I know.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 10:58Tucker Carlson?

  You have to laugh at tragedy.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  I know. It's working. Like, I'll get into the whole thing about how, like, this Pelosi crushed it. She was up 54% last year. We got half a million, half a billion dollars invested alongside her. Where the app is too popular. It shouldn't be this popular with just like a slogan, invest like a politician. But I think it perfectly encompasses and showcases, like, the slogan of what's wrong with society right now. It's not only do we not trust politicians, we now are at the point where, like, throwing up our hands, like, fuck it. You know, if you guys aren't gonna ban it, you're gonna keep doing it. We're gonna build a way to get in on the action. And what better way to do it and highlight the hypocrisy than copying them?

• 11:39Tucker Carlson?

  You're wrecking my day.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I, again, though, if I can snap my fingers and have it just go away.

• 11:46Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, but you can't, unfortunately. So, okay. So you see this and you decide

• 11:53Tucker Carlson?

  that this is going on, that there's corruption, that people, that politicians are supposed to be protecting and serving the country are actually using this information to their own advantage.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 12:02Tucker Carlson?

  While the country rots. How did you discover that Pelosi was a, then Speaker of the House was particularly

• 12:12Speaker 01

  Yep, yeah.

• 12:13Tucker Carlson?

  Successful?

• 12:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, Pelosi. So Pelosi gets a lot of headlines for obvious reasons. One, she, millions. Million, and massively outweighs the, what the other politicians are trading. And I'm talking like she's trading 50 to 60 million while everyone else is trading smaller amounts.

• 12:32Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 12:32Speaker 01

  When she got married, um, I think it was in 2012, and there's a whole arc for her. She got married in 2012 to Paul, Paul Pelosi, ex-VC.

• 12:42Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, she's been married to Paul Pelosi for decades.

• 12:45Speaker 01

  Oh, has she? Then, uh, when, okay, then when they got married, I'm mixing up. 2012 is when the stock act started.

• 12:51Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  That's when they had to start showcasing it. Um, when she got married to Paul, though, they were worth around 20 million, their net worth. Their net worth now is around 260 million. So you're 10x-ing that. How? She's been a career-long politician, making 175K. Her husband's very, very successful in, you know, in stocks, particularly tech stocks.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  It all started with her in 2020 when she bought Tesla. And this is when I personally started paying attention. And then there's, you look back and it's like, holy shit, this has been going on forever. And that actually started back in with the Visa IPO. So with the Visa IPO, she and her husband were able to get privileged ways to buy in on the IPO. And no one knows how, no one knows why. And then the stock absolutely crushed it. So that was brought up on a 60 Minutes interview. And that was that iconic interview from the reporter asking her like, do you think this should be allowed? Is this fine that you got in on the Visa? And then, you know, this is 10, 12 years ago. Nothing necessarily happened.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  Again, 2020 comes around COVID. So people already necessarily know about her. She now starts trading stocks again and it's getting blown up on social media. Because while everyone's with COVID, what are they doing? They're on social media and they're trading stocks. So now everyone's like acutely watching these things and paying attention. She in end of 2020,

• 14:23Speaker 01

  2020, right after Biden got elected, she went and bought up to $5 million of Tesla calls. And I can go on forever about the details of these things. She's not just buying stock. Well, her husband's not just buying, she's buying these things called leaps. And what a leap is, is a options contract that allows you to buy a stock and be bullish on a stock at a much cheaper cost basis. So instead of you needing $5 million to buy, you know, X amount of quote unquote risk in a stock for it to go up, you can actually take that $5 million and buy a leap and it gives you a broader delta so that you can make more money. Essentially higher risk, high reward. So she goes and she's buying these leaps. She's not just buying the stocks in them.

• 15:06Speaker 01

  She buys leaps in Tesla at the end of 2020.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  Right after Biden got elected, 2021 comes around, or excuse me, 2019 into 2020, because that was when Biden started. There's so many dates. But when Biden's first few weeks in office, he introduces the Build Back Better 1.3, 2.3, whatever massive infrastructure bill.

• 15:29Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  Do you remember that one?

• 15:30Tucker Carlson?

  Very well.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  Uh, part of that bill had tons of not only subsidies for the electric vehicle industry, but also money to build out and invest for the charging ports.

• 15:41Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  For electric vehicles, because you know, you can't just tell people to go buy electric cars.

• 15:44Tucker Carlson?

  Nowhere to turn.

• 15:45Speaker 01

  The infrastructure, yeah. So when you start following the timeline on it, it's like, okay. Biden gets elected, she buys up to $5 million of leaps, which are very risky in Tesla. That agenda then comes out. The stock flies 50%. So it's not like she's actually, you know, buying things that the public wouldn't necessarily know about, but she's buying things in a high risky way with a ton of money in ways that the public now is paying attention to because, you know, everyone's trading stocks and they're watching Tesla, Elon, that was when the thing started blowing up. And that was the first trade that probably like, I think, re-triggered everyone's mind into like,

• 16:27Speaker 01

  wait a second, you know, this may not be the sketchiest trade in the world because those things were still public, but how are they allowed to necessarily do that? How is Pelosi, the third most powerful person in America, you know, president, VP, the House, the, uh, the head, uh,

• 16:43Tucker Carlson?

  Speaker.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  Speaker, yep. They shouldn't be allowed to trade stocks. How is this even like, how are we allowing that? And I think like the culmination of those different intersections is why this started getting big and why people started paying attention specifically to Pelosi.

• 16:59Tucker Carlson?

  How did she do on those leaps with Teslas?

• 17:00Speaker 01

  Uh, so. She was up around 50% and then she sold a little bit and then it came back down and then she actually just sold those shares because the way that a leap works is if you're buying a contract and that gives you the ability to buy 100 shares of that underlying stock. It's a it's pretty complex ish but so when she bought the leaps a year later, she exercises the right to buy those shares. So now she has, I think it was around like 5,000 shares of Tesla and she's held those all up until July of 2024, this year actually. And she sold them too early. She sold them before Trump got reelected and the thing started

• 17:41Speaker 01

  flying. But I think she was up around 40 to 50% in total from that Tesla trade. Her best ones are Nvidia. Nvidia is a whole nother story for her. But on that Tesla one in particular, I think it was like 40 to 50.

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• 20:36Speaker 01

  What has she done on Nvidia? So Nvidia is the second trade that got the masses' attention. For people to know, tell us what Nvidia is. Nvidia is a semiconductor. They're essentially the most popular stock and the best company. I think they're worth more than Apple now. They're the most valuable company in the world. They sell the chips for semis. And like they have a whole broader thing beyond just that. But essentially, they're a semiconductor company. They buy and sell chips. So in 2022, that's when the CHIPS Act, if you remember this $54 billion CHIPS bill that Biden and Pelosi pushed, she bought, and this is where social media, again, why it's powerful, and the pressure started building up. Up to her at this point because people were following the trades.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  The markets were crashing it. She was crushing it in 2021. When 2022 came around, the CHIPS Act comes out, $54 billion of infrastructure for CHIPS and subsidies for them. She bought Nvidia, I think a couple of months before that. Oh, come on. Yeah, yeah, it's the problem with her is every trade is suspicious. There's never a trade that you just are like, okay, you know, I could not. And I'll get into them without, uh, there's a couple more I can get to. But with that Nvidia trade in particular, she bought it. The CHIPS Act comes out, we start making TikToks, we start tweeting about it. And then everyone's like, what the fuck, what's going on with that? She then sells it for a loss because the, the stock was already coming down. This is, uh, when the market started falling.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. And she ended up selling it for a $300,000 loss. She sold it all. Cause I think the public was starting to be like, what the fuck? How are you doing this when we're already calling you out and you're still continuing to do it? She sold those things for a 300K loss and, uh, and then she sold her shares for a 200K loss. So she lost money on that first Nvidia time. But the interesting thing about that is per these filings and, uh, the way that the filings work is the stock act requires politicians to disclose them, their spouses and their dependents of any trade up to 45 days. On that trade in particular is the only time she's ever publicly said her profit and loss.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  So never before, never since then, only in that filing was when she said, hey, everyone, I lost 250K in Nvidia, get off my back kind of thing. She's never done that for when she's profited. She's only done it when she's lost. Interesting. Yeah, and there's so many things with her. She, the filings she sends out are always before, um, holidays. So she's notorious in our community for releasing reports around, uh, Thanksgiving, July 4th, Christmas. And I think the argument is, cause like, if you put it on December 23rd, everyone's going off to vacation. Of course. Yeah, it gets lost. Yeah. Gets lost in the media. Drop bad news on Fridays. That's the rule.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Exactly. Yeah. This year she dropped it on July 4th. Um, that was when she dropped all of these previous. Happy birthday, America. I know. Yeah. But, um, so that Nvidia trade goes on, she loses money. The whole market was doing bad in, in that year. So she didn't do too well. In that, uh, that, I think it was 2022.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  2023 comes around, the market starts going up again, and we have all this information, which I could probably get to. But she then rebuyes into Nvidia at the end of 2022.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  Or at the end of 2023, excuse me, in November. She goes and buys $5 million worth of leaps again. Those leaps, then, right after she buys, there's no, um, no, no laws or anything that comes up after that. It just turns out to be a tremendously well timed trade, because from there Nvidia goes up 160, 170%. And on that trade in particular, she then bought a little bit more. That 5 million, and the, the ranges are hard, uh, because the way that these filings work is they have to file from 1K to 15K. Is one little check, 15K to 50K, 50K, uh, to 100K, 100K to 250K, 250K to 500K, 500K up.

• 24:47Speaker 01

  So we're going off of the ranges, so you don't know the exact amount that she's, she's buying. But that Nvidia trade is the best trade she's ever made that we've followed, um, in recent memory. And she's up around like 140% on that trade in particular.

• 25:01Tucker Carlson?

  Damn.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  And like, this is millions. It's not like it's, you know, 50K. It's up to $5 million. That $5 million could be worth 7.5 million now. Uh, and she's just quiet about it. Doesn't say anything. Let me call her out.

• 25:17Tucker Carlson?

  How long have you been doing this?

• 25:19Speaker 01

  We've been doing it since 2022. So we've tracked her in particular, and let me be clear, it's not just her.

• 25:24Tucker Carlson?

  No, I know. I've got a bunch of questions for you.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  Crenshaw and, um, but yeah, we've been tracking her since 2021.

• 25:30Tucker Carlson?

  You know, you look at, if I looked at the Congress, who are the filthiest members of Congress? Well, Dan Crenshaw would be right at the top with Pelosi.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 25:37Tucker Carlson?

  And, and it's not surprising that they're.

• 25:39Speaker 01

  No, and he.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  He is interesting because-

• 25:43Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, hold on, before we get to that-

• 25:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:44Tucker Carlson?

  He's his whole thing.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:46Tucker Carlson?

  Um, but I just want to close out Pelosi for a sec. So you've been doing this for two and a half, three years on Pelosi.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 25:52Tucker Carlson?

  And gotten, you said you've never done an interview before, which is very weird.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 25:56Tucker Carlson?

  But a lot of people I know read you, you know, a lot.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:00Tucker Carlson?

  Um, so she's gotten a lot of scrutiny because of what you've done. Has her office ever reached out to you in any way?

• 26:05Speaker 01

  No, the office has never reached out. And again, like the crazy thing about this stuff is, uh, we took this whole thing a step further by building our app, Autopilot. And Autopilot, the way that it works is you literally can go and invest alongside these politicians. So it's one thing to be like, oh, fuck you Pelosi, you know, you're trading in front of us. And then it's like, oh, wait a second, you're crushing it. Like, whoa. And now it's like, and now I can invest alongside them because, so I can get in on the action. And I think like allowing people to get their money in, uh, makes the whole thing kind of just more hypocritical and funnier. So Pelosi, since we've been tracking her, is up 87%.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  That's from, I think, around, uh, May of 2021, outperforming the spy by 50%. Since, in that time period since we've been doing this thing, we now have $300 million literally investing alongside her. People have profited $30 million trading, doing whatever she does in that time period, give or take. And her pub, her office has never reached out. She's gone on, you know, been questioned in the, uh, the press conferences being like, do you think you and members of Congress should be allowed to trade stock? And she's like, yeah, well, it's a free economy. Like, if, if it's a free market, we as citizens should be able to trade.

• 27:21Tucker Carlson?

  But of course, it's not a free market. And her example shows you what a rigged market it is.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:26Tucker Carlson?

  Of course. I mean, she's, so, um, yeah, she's benefiting from information that she has because of her position. She's not allowed to do that. She does it anyway. It's a crime. She should be prosecuted. Um, it's certainly a moral crime. So give us some perspective. So she's up this fin, you know, fantastic number relative to like average investors, informed investors, like how well has she done?

• 27:48Speaker 01

  Yep. So last year in particular, and this is probably we, and let me be clear, so we're not tracking, since it's hard to know the exact amount and it's hard to track her actual trades. So what we track is the filings of it and they're roughly the same because they don't, they don't get displayed or filed too, too long after. So in 2024, for example, she was up 54%. The market was up around, I think like 26 or 27. So she personally outperformed the stock market, you know, the broader S and P by 20%, 25%. We also have these other trackers that track the hedge funds and there was a report from Bloomberg where she actually

• 28:30Speaker 01

  outperformed, I think like 95% of professional hedge fund managers. And when you take a step, it's like, what is, what the, the politicians, Unusual Wells has a report in 2024 and she was only the seventh best trader. There were traders that were better than her.

• 28:48Tucker Carlson?

  Well, the funny thing, I was talking about this yesterday with a buddy of mine who's in business, but you often see retired politicians decide they're going to go get rich in business. In finance usually, but you know, in some form of PE or whatever that they think they're going to be, and they are all terrible. Like there's not been, we're talking about Pompeo thinks he's going to get rich or Pompeo and like, no one wants Pompeo because he's like an idiot, isn't, this is not his area and he's, well, I should say he's not an idiot, he's smart, but he's not a business guy.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  No.

• 29:13Tucker Carlson?

  And politics and business are very different. So it's especially striking to see polit, this is the only way politicians can make money is through insider trading.

• 29:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:22Tucker Carlson?

  I know. Is that fair to say?

• 29:24Speaker 01

  Pretty much. Yeah. It's that or books.

• 29:27Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  It's a book and honestly Netflix specials now. Yeah. The Clintons with all that stuff. But she again is extreme because you just trade so much. The other politicians, they're trading on lower levels and, but I think like the, the bigger thing that we're trying to do with all this stuff is like, we don't want them trading. Again, like we think that it's messed up. It creates distrust in the politicians.

• 29:50Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  It's not like we don't, me personally, it's not like I am. You know, saying, hey, you guys can't do that because you're getting rich. Like, obviously, that's a piece of it. But it's more of like, hey, you guys can't do that because the average American can't do that. And we're all just looking at you guys.

• 30:06Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it also influences their policymaking behavior.

• 30:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:09Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, of course, it sets up incentives that you don't want to have in your legislative branch at all.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you know the saying, like, show me the incentive, I'll show you the reward.

• 30:19Tucker Carlson?

  That's exactly right.

• 30:21Speaker 01

  You're gonna, the war ones are crazy, too. Like, there's so much that you can get into.

• 30:27Tucker Carlson?

  I have trouble laughing at that. That actually makes me feel like these people are going to hell. But I want to ask about that in two seconds. But first, you said she's the seventh?

• 30:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:36Tucker Carlson?

  Most successful congressional trader.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  In 2024. So the other ones off the top, and this is all on Unusual, on UnusualWales's Twitter. We work with them. He actually took some of the portfolios and he put them on our app. So now people can go in and they can trade alongside not just Pelosi, but other ones, too. David Rousher was the top one. And I think he, he made a lot of money in Nvidia. He also owns some other smaller ETFs. So he wasn't, he doesn't trade that much. So he, these are stocks that he's owned for a while.

• 31:06Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  Debbie Wasserman Schultz, she's now a two-time top-five political stock trader.

• 31:13Tucker Carlson?

  Speaking of filthy.

• 31:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. She, she gets a, we, so we run the Pelosi tracker and we also have a politician trade tracker on Instagram and TikTok that each have, you know, 800,000. On TikTok, we have around 100,000 followers. She gets, people don't like that woman.

• 31:30Tucker Carlson?

  Well, nobody likes her.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:31Tucker Carlson?

  She was bounced out of a leadership position in the Democratic Party because people disliked her so much personally.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. And she honestly is one of the five or six that I personally track, like, that I know a decent amount about because of how many times she has conflicts of interest, which she trades. For example, she bought this company called ViaSat. And what ViaSat does is they're a military contractor. They're like a Starlink, like Elon's thing. But they do the communications for the military. They get hundreds of millions of dollars of contracts from, you know, this or that. She sits on the committee that oversees military construction. And it's like, I'm watching you trade this stock, you know, even aside from performance. I'm watching you buy and sell a military. Construction company while sitting on a committee that oversees military

• 32:21Speaker 01

  construction. How is that allowed? I don't know. Another one was, um, she bought a mining company called Helka Mining with ticker symbol H L. That stock has been fluctuating here and there, and I think she is up around 15% on it. Um, she sits on the energy, one of the energy resources committees. And it's like, what are we doing? You know, how do, how do they allow?

• 32:45Tucker Carlson?

  What are we doing? Well, we're watching corruption happen and it's, and it's destroying any confidence people have in their government. It's priming the country for some kind of revolution, hopefully a peaceful one, but a revolution anyway. This can't, this can't continue in a democracy. So, um, tell us about my all time favorite member of Congress, Dan Crenshaw.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he's a, he's a tough one. He's a, he's a hothead on Twitter now.

• 33:12Tucker Carlson?

  He's out of control.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's, I don't understand why he's taken this stance a little bit.

• 33:17Tucker Carlson?

  Cause I think his personal life is out of control.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Cause he used to be like a, a right wing darling. Like he was, you know, the, with the Navy SEALs, I think early, early on, I, again.

• 33:25Tucker Carlson?

  Not with me. I always thought he was a freak and a warmonger.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  Really?

• 33:28Tucker Carlson?

  Weirdo. Yeah. He's a freak and a warmonger weirdo, but yeah.

• 33:31Speaker 01

  He's showing it now. Um, did you see the Free Press? He did where, uh, we posted this. He essentially comes out and he's like, supporting political's politician stock trading. He's like, if you get rid of it, you're going to get crappy politicians. And it's like, what are you talking about? You know, like, we're not asking you guys to.

• 33:50Tucker Carlson?

  It's, it's, that's like saying, if you don't allow the police to shake down speeders at gunpoint, you're going to get a worse kind of cop.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  Exactly. Yeah.

• 33:58Tucker Carlson?

  It's crazy.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  It's, it's, yeah. So he had a fiery one, um, with the Free Press, probably about like two months ago, right before Thanksgiving.

• 34:06Tucker Carlson?

  I saw that.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  Um, his portfolio though, in particular, he's up around like 48 to 50%. And all of this, you know, I gotta say this for compliance reasons. Like you can see all this on our app, you know, it's all right there. So I may kind of be, depending on the day, um, but he outperformed the market. He was right below Pelosi. Uh, the stocks.

• 34:24Tucker Carlson?

  He's an idiot though. I mean, with no business background that I'm aware of. So like, how would you do that?

• 34:29Speaker 01

  His stocks, the one that in particular that really frustrated me about him was, uh, Meta. So he, the stocks that he's buying is, his portfolio is comprised of Meta, which he's crushing it up like 200%. He bought the dip perfectly back in 2022, I believe, like, pretty much perfectly. The things started flying. He bought Amazon, he bought FAS, which is a, like, a finance ETF. He bought the SPY, and then he bought Wind Resorts, and then he bought some other company.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  The stock, though, that crushed it for him was Meta. And the part that I get annoyed about, you know, aside from TikTok bans, this and that, you can't, he buys the stock, a couple of months later, starts pushing and publicly vocalizing, like, hey, everyone, we should, we should ban TikTok. You know, and it's like, pretty convenient to say when you own TikTok's main competitor, and every time you're saying that, the stock's going up 5%.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  He then goes off and starts asking for the ban on, and again, like, I, I feel like I'm pretty pro ban TikTok, so there's a whole world with that. But he then goes off and votes against the bill to ban TikTok. So now you got a politician that is buying TikTok's main competitor, Meta. You're then publicly talking about how you want to ban it from government, from government officials' phones, to then voting on the bill to ban TikTok, all while the stock has gone up 200%, while you've owned it.

• 36:01Tucker Carlson?

  And this is like, you're shocking me.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm numb to it.

• 36:05Tucker Carlson?

  And when, and when he gets called out on it, and this is one of the reasons I dislike him, and I do think that he's, there's, there's a lot wrong with him personally. So I do feel sorry for him, a lot wrong. I mean, I know that. But anyway, leaving that aside, the reason I don't like him is because he's self-righteous.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:23Tucker Carlson?

  If I catch you shoplifting, and then you punch me in the face and scream how you're being victimized, I can't deal with that. Just admit you're shoplifting. Say sorry, and I'll forgive you and move on, but don't yell at me.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, or even just help the conversation, be like, yeah, I mean, if you guys are allowing us, like, I'll vote on it, this and that, like, just be open and be transparent about it.

• 36:42Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 36:42Speaker 01

  You don't have to attack and, you know, gaslight.

• 36:45Tucker Carlson?

  No, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. And boy, is he a specialist in that area.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, the Free Press one, I would rec, I'll send it to you after.

• 36:53Tucker Carlson?

  I've seen it.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah. That one gets my blood boiling, because it's like... What frustrates me about this stuff is you can't sit on the committee. You can't be voting on these things. You can't be doing all this stuff in front of the American public. Meanwhile, you know, I have a friend that is a consultant at EY or Deloitte. He can't trade individual stocks. I got friends in banking that can't trade individual stocks. It's like, why can you not let the low level analysts at JP Morgan buy, you know, Apple? Meanwhile, you got these politicians buying up this $500 million military construction company all right in front of you.

• 37:32Tucker Carlson?

  I know the answer. You want to hear the answer? Because after the financial crisis that Congress helped cause,

• 37:38Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 37:38Tucker Carlson?

  Congress runs in with Dodd-Frank, you know, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, member of the Senate, member of the House, both Democrats. And they come up with all these regulations that are supposedly going to protect America from future disasters of this kind. And they, you know, pass these so-called reforms, destroy the banking sector, really. Don't make it less corrupt. Just kind of wreck it, take all the innovation out of it. And then they don't apply those same standards to themselves. Right? I mean, that's kind of the short.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  Rules for thee, not for me.

• 38:08Tucker Carlson?

  Is that a fair?

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, 100%. And what's, the history of the Stock Act, it started because of the housing crisis.

• 38:16Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  So it was initially introduced in 2006. And the Stock Act, literally what it says is, stop, stop trading on congressional knowledge. That's what it means. So if you have a bill that literally says, stop trading on congressional knowledge as the name of the act, you know that there's something already sketchy going on. And why was that not a thing to begin with?

• 38:41Tucker Carlson?

  And so what happened to it?

• 38:42Speaker 01

  So in 2006, it got introduced. No politicians cared about it, you know, whatever. After the housing crisis, they found out and they realized that there were around 33 politicians that set their portfolios up after talking with the officials at the Fed. And, you know, the people building out the military policy. They reconstructed their portfolios while that whole crisis was going on. They didn't have to display or publicly talk about it because the Stock Act wasn't announced. All that stuff came out after that, like, oh, while the housing market is crashing and Americans are losing their homes left and right, these politicians are moving millions, reconstructing their portfolios after getting out of the meetings with the Fed officials. So that's how it came back on to the center stage.

• 39:25Speaker 01

  The Stock Act then gets introduced in 2012 and then it gets passed shortly after that. What is crazy in my head, though, is like, what the heck was going on before it?

• 39:35Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Like, what do, that, I think, as we were talking off camera, like, our generation, we grow up with it and we're used to it now because of things like that. It's like, how can they have not had any limitations before 2012? What were they doing?

• 39:51Tucker Carlson?

  I, you know, I, I can't answer your question. Clearly, it's been very corrupt for a long time. Well, they murdered the President of the United States in 1963 and no one was ever held accountable for it. So, you know, looking back, you can say, boy, we've had big problems for a long time. But I can tell you as someone who grew up right in the, right in the middle of it in DC, in Georgetown, while this stuff was going on, like, when, when that COVID, those COVID trades, you started our conversation by describing, Kelly Loeffler was involved in that and all this stuff. I was like, part of me, even, I think I was the only person at Fox News who did anything on it because it's a great story. But even as I was doing the story, I was like, this, there's gotta be another explanation. This can't be real.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  That, that was-

• 40:34Tucker Carlson?

  Trading on a pandemic?

• 40:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:36Tucker Carlson?

  Insider trading on a pandemic? Like, I was like, you'd have to be a monster to do that. Like, this can't actually have happened.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  That was me with the Pelosi tracker every day in the early days. I'm just, I remember a couple of these trades and there's so many now, but I remember calling my dad up and I'm like, wait a second, like, is this actually, like, are they actually trading? It's not just Mike McCall, I can't remember the specific trades, I think it was him, but uh-

• 41:02Tucker Carlson?

  No one, here I'm talking about poor Dan Crenshaw, who's just like totally unbalanced. That won't end well, but Mike McCall is like, now we're getting really sinister.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, he, I'm trying to remember the trades, because he, he sits on the, he sits on a lot of the intelligence- Committees or not, a lot of the the the big committees and he's trading millions, but it's not just.

• 41:23Tucker Carlson?

  Mike McCall?

• 41:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so. I think so. He's in particular because he's really hard to track. We know this in the world of uh the us, Quiver, Quant, Usual Wills, we're the ones that do this. He manually fills out the filings by hand. So his trades don't get picked up.

• 41:39Tucker Carlson?

  No way.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  Of a ninety nine percent sure. I can confirm that, but yeah, he and his trades, I think are weird because it's him. Uh, it's the the dependent and the the spouse. The trades they come in kind of is the same. So there's an argument that maybe Mike McCall's trades are uh from a from a financial advisor, but if he can tell us, you know, we we tag him on Twitter. It's like you guys can just tell us what's going on with the.

• 42:09Tucker Carlson?

  Doesn't care. A couple of years ago, he somebody said, I was talking to Mike McCall and he described you as a Russian agent.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  Really? Oh, so he's.

• 42:15Tucker Carlson?

  Russian agent. So I call Mike McCall and I said, listen bitch, can I call you bitch? I you, I think I said exactly that. You told someone I was a Russian agent, you know, like I'm from this country. I'm feel like I'm pretty patriotic. And uh, did you say that? And he said, I did say that because the intel briefers told me that. And I said, how old are you, son? I think he's older than I am. You believe your intel briefers?

• 42:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:40Tucker Carlson?

  And he said, yeah, I do. I gotta give him credit. I mean, he took my call and and the whole thing, but I was like, this guy is the most controlled.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:47Tucker Carlson?

  Scary, stupid, but also scary person I think I've ever dealt with in Congress ever. So I guess I'm not that surprised that he's, what is it with Texas Republicans anyway?

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Uh, I don't know.

• 42:58Tucker Carlson?

  Corrupt, a lot of them.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  I mean, you go all the north Oklahoma and uh Mark Wayne Mullins is an interesting one, too.

• 43:05Tucker Carlson?

  What do you?

• 43:05Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't know too much about his um, he's a fiery guy, too.

• 43:09Tucker Carlson?

  Uh, yeah, he was threatening to beat somebody up.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was.

• 43:12Tucker Carlson?

  Sean O'Brien.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  The Teamsters president.

• 43:14Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, during that. Yeah, we built a whole, I have a whole thing.

• 43:18Tucker Carlson?

  I like Sean O'Brien for the.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  Really?

• 43:19Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  Good guy. I don't, so that's what's, the thing that's interesting about me, again, from my background, is I don't know anything about these policies. I'm not like a political person. I call out, we call out the politicians, the Democrats, like the New York Times came out with a report in twenty twenty two that said that a hundred eighty politicians traded over thirty seven hundred times that totaled over a hundred ten, hundred fifteen million dollars of volume in uh, from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one. Out of those, it was literally half, pretty much half Democrats, half Republicans. So they're all doing it.

• 43:51Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  Out of those 180 politicians, though, 90 of them sat on committees that directly oversaw companies that they traded. And you're like, okay, well, so that sounds like a conflict of interest. And then that's what started to me to get really into this and being like, what actually are the trades that are going on? Are they outperforming? Why are these random companies being bought? And Mike McCullough in particular, he checks this kind of box a lot. He, for example, bought this stock in a company called Badger Meters earlier this year. Badger Meters does a water meter solutions. Don't know much about it. It's just a freaking water meters, $2 billion, $3 billion company. Turns out that the EPA, a couple of months to his, to be fair, before he bought,

• 44:32Speaker 01

  signed a mandate saying that all these water systems have to upgrade their technology. Beneficial for Badger Meters, stock goes up. You then do some further digging and then you realize that Tulsa, Oklahoma, passed a $94 million bill to upgrade their own water meter systems right around the time that Mark Wayne Mullen bought Badger Meters.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  Oklahoma, Tulsa, Oklahoma is the state that Mark Wayne Mullen represents. He's the senator of it. So then you're like, EPA passes thing, passes the requirement to upgrade the water systems. Senator buys stock. Senators home, home state gives $100 million to upgrade water meter systems. Pro for Badger Meters, stock is up 50%. I think he's up like 48% on that.

• 45:24Tucker Carlson?

  Badger Me, am I, I mean, I'm not an investor, so, but I've never heard of Badger Meters.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  Neither have I.

• 45:29Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, good, I feel better.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 45:31Tucker Carlson?

  So you have two prominent politicians in the Congress buying Badger Meters in the same period?

• 45:36Speaker 01

  Just him.

• 45:38Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, this is just Mark Wayne?

• 45:39Speaker 01

  This is just Mark Wayne Mullen, yeah. And that's, no other politicians are buying. I've never heard of Badger Meters. I don't know anything about that company. But when you, when you start just connecting all the dots, there's just too many. Hip like controversial eyebrow raising like, oh, wait. The state that you represent just put a hundred million dollars to upgrade their water systems. Oh, wait, you just bought the company that specializes in upgrading water systems. Oh, wait, now the stock has been crushing on earnings and you're still owning it. It's up 40%. He sold it earlier this year. He held it for probably like, I think like eight months, but I think he made like 50%, 40 to 50% on that stock. And again, this isn't an Apple, you know, this isn't a Google, this isn't an Nvidia,

• 46:24Speaker 01

  this is a water company. That's this type of stuff that we see.

• 46:28Tucker Carlson?

  And you don't think it's possible he was taking tips from Jim Cramer on CNBC?

• 46:31Speaker 01

  No, no. Funny enough, we have an inverse Kramer portfolio. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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• 49:19Speaker 01

  So how does Kramer do relative to say? Inverse Kramer, uh, he beats them. So inverse Kramer was up 48% in 2024. Wait, inverse Kramer? Oh yeah, yeah. The, we have a portfolio that does the opposite of what he does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm telling you that we're just, we're, we're a group of, you know, we're 15 now out in, in Irvine, California, just fucking around with some of these things. And we're, we're registered with the SEC or. Are you in, do you invest in these funds? You can't. So, I mean, you can, you can and you can't. I don't buy like the Pelosi ones, cause I, I ethically, I don't like to buy the companies that I tweet about, cause I don't want to believe in like, if I tweet this, the stock will go up 20%. Right.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  You know, I just don't even want to get into that world. I though invest in some of these other strategies. I, I have around 5K in a strategy provided by Quiver Quant, great guys. They do what unusual wells does similar on Instagram and Twitter. They track the lobbying. So they see which companies are spending the most on lobbying in DC. Yeah. And then they build a strategy around it to see if a strategy like that outperforms the market over time. Well, I know what, what sector has spent a lot.

• 50:32Tucker Carlson?

  Crypto.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:33Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, I mean, I saw them everywhere on the road this fall.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  Really? Uh, we have a JD Vance portfolio. He has some, uh, uh, Bitcoin. His portfolio is very good. He is, uh, he only is in, um, ETFs. So kudos to him, but he owns some crypto.

• 50:48Tucker Carlson?

  I will say this about, obviously JD's a friend of mine, so I would defend him. You know, my instinct is to defend him and I love JD Vance, but I would say without knowing any details, you know, he like had a legitimate, you know, career in that world before.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  A hundred, yeah.

• 51:03Tucker Carlson?

  So you could at least say JD Vance knows what ETF is.

• 51:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. And also credit to him. He, so he was a VC founders fund, you know, I come, I don't come from this world, but I know this because you know, our app is venture backed. He had, again, credit to him. He had money in Rumble, so YouTube's competitor, uh, before he, via his venture capital firm. I, I can't confirm this. I've never met him, but when he got into office before he became VP, he sold out of Rumble. So only the, the stocks that he owns are just the main ETFs.

• 51:35Tucker Carlson?

  Can I ask you, is there some easy or workable way for members of Congress to put all their investments into some blind?

• 51:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, blind trust. Yeah. Yes, yeah. So this is where it gets complex and I'd be curious to hear your take on this. So there's bills out there to get it banned, you know? I think social media has done a tremendous job with this, with the Pelosi tracker, with all of us trying to call out with our app. It's like our app, part of it is built to highlight the hypocrisy of just how big of a problem this is. $500 million shouldn't be copying Pelosi. If they are, like, that's a problem.

• 52:11Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  So to credit to some of these politicians, AOC has done a lot, you know, she's a fiery figure, but, uh, she has had two bills. She actually just released a bill a week ago called, um, the Restore Faith in Government Act, and it calls for banning political stock trading. There's been around five bills.

• 52:28Tucker Carlson?

  Good for her.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. She's been, uh, she had a bill with Matt Gaetz.

• 52:32Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  The bill that's got the farthest, and this is where, this is just frustrates me with all the stuff going on is, there was a bill introduced by Josh Hawley, John Ossoff, and a couple other politicians. The reason why that one's important is because they got that to the Senate. In the Senate, while they were in one of the committees, the way that the bills enter the floors, they had to get passed off by the committee. This is the bill that made it the farthest. In that bill, though, they offered kind of four things. First, members can't trade stocks by 2025. This was introduced in 2024. Members can't trade stocks. Second, spouses and dependents can't trade stocks through 2027. Third,

• 53:18Speaker 01

  any private investment you have, you have to sell out of to run, to become a politician. No, no one has ever asked for that. That has never come up, and that became a big, big problem. This is where it gets scary, and we had to be careful with like what we're essentially pushing for. So what everyone has asked for on these bills is no trading, no members and their spouses can trade, put it in a blind trust. Now, this fourth bill, no trading, no members and spouse, blind trust, but also you have to sell out of every private investment. And that, when they started debating it, Mitt Romney, Tim Scott, and a couple other politicians on it, were like, wait a second, we can't vote yes on

• 54:01Speaker 01

  this. Like, if you guys are telling me that any future politician that wants to run has to sell out of private investments, that could become a major, major problem. You know, if you want to run and be a politician, you'd have to sell out of your businesses. If I were to run, I would have to sell out of my businesses. A farmer would have to sell out of his family businesses. Is that right? Like, why are we essentially doing that? And when you take a step back at the time, this was, you know, Kamala versus Trump. Kamala just picked Tim Walz to be the VP. And you think about where the directions of each parties are going. If you have a bill out there that bans politicians from owning in private investments, you are turning off kind of a whole part of future people.

• 54:46Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, and, I mean... You know, you do kind of want people who are invested in the country, you know, who have some like longitudinal stake in America. I mean, I do think that like I'm fighting for my, that's why I believe in homeownership, you know, because like I own a piece of ground here.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  You know, it's crazy. And you know, it's crazy. You had Trump and J D Vance, J D Vance, probably the most in my lifetime, the smartest, like most accomplished, like guy running for politics that I've ever seen.

• 55:21Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Tremendous.

• 55:25Speaker 01

  You got him with Trump, business guys first, politician second.

• 55:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  You got Vivek, business politician second. On the other side, you got Kamala, career long politician, 20 plus years.

• 55:35Tucker Carlson?

  Just parasite, yeah.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  J, um, Tim Walz, Tim Walz, he, you have to disclose what you own. He doesn't own anything like you even just said, like I own part of land in America. He doesn't, from my memory, he doesn't own a house. The only thing he owned on that public disclosure was a teacher's pension. And then you start, it's like, where can we go with this path of, you know, pro-business, successful, competent people running our country versus career long politicians that just know how to play the game of thrones in politics to be able to get to where they want.

• 56:11Tucker Carlson?

  Nicely put.

• 56:12Speaker 01

  That scared the shit out of me when they started talking about that at that.

• 56:17Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it may be just a way to kill the whole idea.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  So that was the other thing is it a kill pill? And I, again, that's why like, I don't know.

• 56:23Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, just don't use insider information that you get with my money in the, we own all that information. That belongs to us, does not belong to Mike McCall or any of these other douchebags, corrupt douchebags like Mike McCall. Who is, I just want to say again, is a corrupt douchebag. I just want to say that really clearly.

• 56:40Tucker Carlson?

  But they don't own this information. It belongs to the public. It belongs to the US government, which is owned by the people who are citizens of this country. So just stop that.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:48Tucker Carlson?

  But you don't want to encourage like government by, you know, people who own nothing. Like what government by the homeless? I want people who are like, no, my kids live here, my grandkids live here. This is our family farm or whatever, like you want that.

• 57:01Speaker 01

  Skin in the game.

• 57:01Tucker Carlson?

  Skin in the game. I'm going to protect this country because it's mine.

• 57:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, 100% and.

• 57:07Speaker 01

  Give me the incentive, I'll give you the outcome. It's like if you have politicians that are incentivized for the good of American families, you know, it's like

• 57:16Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree.

• 57:17Speaker 01

  JD Vance, kids, Trump, pro-family.

• 57:19Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  You're gonna build for your grandkids, not for you.

• 57:23Tucker Carlson?

  I would ban childless politicians from having too much power. Cause it's like, you're not, I just know, anyone who has kids will tell you, it's like, you're really worried about that. At a certain point, why do you care? You're gonna die anyway, but you care about the next generation, you know?

• 57:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you know, give Ro Khanna credit, the representative out of San Francisco, he's doing a lot on social media. He doesn't have as much power, but he's calling for term limits. And I think, cause we're looking at, you know, again, I'm 29, I'm not, I don't, I'm just out here just calling citizen journalism on X, feeling like this is ridiculous. Let me build with my, like, my skill set is, I feel like I can do, I know how to use social media algorithms and I know how to build a product to get people involved in it. Let me use this as the best way in my ability as an American citizen to promote change, to bring trust back into the institutions. A big part of the problem looking at is like, what are these 85-year-olds doing?

• 58:17Tucker Carlson?

  I agree.

• 58:17Speaker 01

  And, you know, for 30 years.

• 58:19Tucker Carlson?

  It's just so obviously unwise, you know?

• 58:24Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, at 85, at 75, you know, it's just harder to

• 58:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:28Tucker Carlson?

  Don't have the mental acuity, that's just a fact. It's a biological fact, but ignoring biology is one of our main, our main pastimes at this point.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  I've grown up with that.

• 58:35Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 58:36Speaker 01

  My mom's a pediatrician, I know.

• 58:38Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, she really?

• 58:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 58:39Tucker Carlson?

  Believes in biology.

• 58:40Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure.

• 58:43Tucker Carlson?

  That's pretty funny. So, um, tell us about the war stocks. I'm sorry, I had to calm down before you went down that. That's really dark. Do you think it's possible that people are encouraging war because they're profiting from it?

• 58:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, that, this is the, this topic gets a lot of conversation on TikTok and Instagram in particular. Just mainly because it's like war mongering, not war mongering. The idea of even being able to profit from war, probably shouldn't be allowed.

• 59:14Tucker Carlson?

  Of course not.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  But they do. And you know, whether they do it inherently or not, if the three main companies are Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, and Raytheon Technologies. Raytheon.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  Raytheon is hard because Raytheon is the company behind Israel's Iron Dome.

• 59:32Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 59:32Speaker 01

  So Israel and Hamas, that's pro Raytheon. Like Raytheon is now selling missiles for the Iron Dome that we're watching on X go off every two days back then.

• 59:43Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  When that all with Iran and all that and Lebanon. But the politicians, Mark Wayne Mullen, he sits on the Armed Services Committee. He owns Raytheon and Lockheed Martin. And we've called them out for it because that's to another degree because you sit on the committee. Never, never heard anything about it. Unusual Wells has a great report on this.

• 1:00:08Tucker Carlson?

  Possibly, and again, I've only met Mark Wayne Mullen once. He's a friend of a friend of mine who says he's great. He seemed nice. But what could possibly be the excuse for owning defense stocks if you sit on the committee that funds them?

• 1:00:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, so my, this is what's the problem with the way that they disclose right now is I don't know which ones are theirs or which ones are being run by a financial advisor. Because to some of the, some of them have financial advisors running their portfolios, but they still have to disclose it. My hope is that it's financial advisors running some of these portfolios.

• 1:00:43Tucker Carlson?

  My hope would they, and I'm sure that's right. I mean, I'm, I guess I have stocks, I have no idea what they are.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:00:48Tucker Carlson?

  Uh, whatever, I've got some person doing that, I guess. But um, I would hope that they would be thoughtful enough that if you sit on a committee that's, you know, overseeing an industry that you would just call up to your broker and say, hey, we can't buy anything that I regulate.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  Five minutes, that's all it takes.

• 1:01:06Tucker Carlson?

  Right?

• 1:01:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. And again, this is.

• 1:01:09Tucker Carlson?

  And you put that out there publicly and he still owns those.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, we call out everybody. Yeah, yeah, there's no one that we, I, there's no politi, like we called out the new politician this morning.

• 1:01:21Speaker 01

  Can't remember his name, Republican from Kentucky who sits on the Accountability Committee. He traded for the first time in three years. We made a tweet about him. Dan Goldman. So Dan Goldman, he's a rich guy from New York. We called him out to the point where he stopped trading. Because we were making all these tweets of like.

• 1:01:43Tucker Carlson?

  Well, he's got a ton of inherited money.

• 1:01:44Speaker 01

  A ton of inherited money, yeah. And credit to him, but I think this is the power of social media and I think this is a win, in my opinion, is like.

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  Put it in a blind trust, or just tell your, uh, while you're a freaking politician, just go put it in the market. Like, just don't buy individual stocks for the four or five years, eight, 10 years.

• 1:02:02Tucker Carlson?

  Just put it in an index fund.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  Just put it in an index fund. Yeah, it's not, just do what everyone else is doing. You know, like.

• 1:02:08Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's such a good point.

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  It's not rocket science, and that's why I don't feel bad for calling out anybody. Because it's like, like Dan Crenshaw, you're gonna complain about it, just sell out of it and go put it in an index fund. No one's stopping you.

• 1:02:23Tucker Carlson?

  Well, then you could plausibly say if you had an index fund, which is just the whole market, you could just say, "I'm betting on America." Great, good for you. I want you to do that.

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  Pro-America. And that's why, like, if you were to ask me, "What is the solution?" I think the solution is kind of two things for how do you solve this whole thing. And again, like, our mission is, we're trying to instill trust back in society. Like, I'm pro-America. You know, I want my grandkids to do well. I don't think a society functions if you can't trust your institutions.

• 1:02:52Tucker Carlson?

  That's right.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  And it starts with the politicians. Like, look at, I'm going off on a tangent, but, you know, I live in LA. California, your heart breaks for it, and then you just start like, "I don't know what to believe." Because these, you got Newsom, you got everything going on on X, there's conflicting sides, and you go on and you say, "Hey, if you loot, you will get arrested." Okay, you guys are telling me that. I've watched for the past two years, everybody loot and no one get arrested. So you're now at this point where we're supposed to trust you on this fact that, "Oh, if you loot now, you'll get arrested." Meanwhile, you've promoted and incentivized that behavior for people to get away with it, and what do you think happens? No one's gonna believe you. The trust is gone. What happens?

• 1:03:37Tucker Carlson?

  So do you feel, this is sidebar, but you feel as a resident of LA, Santa Monica, you've watched looting for the past two years? That's, because that's really what it is.

• 1:03:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I haven't seen it in particular, but, I mean, you can't walk into a CVS. Like, the amount of times I've walked into CVS and, uh, your heart breaks for the, the little girl behind the cashier having to deal with these guys just walking in and out. Like, because you do see it, and it's scary. Um, that, that's looting on smaller proportions, but you, you for sure see it in California.

• 1:04:08Tucker Carlson?

  I think it's major. I think things fall apart when you see stuff like that. Why doesn't someone shoot them? I always think that. I only see it on video. I haven't been to a CVS in a while, but, um... I think it's just a, it's like you're begging for total collapse if you allow that.

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  Exactly. And my, I'm a first principle thinker. I think it's trust. I just don't think people trust that things will get done. And now if you take it out, you know, I love California. I don't think it's as bad as people make it sound. But if you can't trust the politicians, society crumbles. And I see you with the trading. If you can't trust the majority of politicians, America will crumble. Because why would I believe what the politician is telling me? While I'm watching them do these other things right in front of my face and I can't do anything about it.

• 1:04:51Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  So we want them banned to get the trust back into that.

• 1:04:54Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  But the problem with the ban is, is it constantly like?

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  If in that ban, you would have to ban the kids and you would have to ban the spouses from trading. Is it constitutionally allowed to say, hey, you know, say you're a senator from Florida? And you're like, hey, Tucker, you want to be a senator? That's fine. But per the Stock Act now, your kids can't trade stocks and your spouses can't trade stocks. What if your kid is a hedge fund manager or your kid is, you know?

• 1:05:26Tucker Carlson?

  I get it.

• 1:05:26Speaker 01

  Like, how do you ban that kid? It's hard.

• 1:05:29Tucker Carlson?

  It's hard. I mean, well, like any, any system is voluntary, basically.

• 1:05:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:33Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, if everyone tries to subvert a system of any kind, the system will collapse. So people have to decide like, I want to be a better person and not take everything I can. Don't be greedy. Don't be selfish. I mean, it's the things you tell your kids.

• 1:05:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:47Tucker Carlson?

  Like you show up at somebody's house, you're eight years old on Halloween and there's a huge basket.

• 1:05:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're not taking every, you're not taking.

• 1:05:53Tucker Carlson?

  Don't take everyone.

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, when you're Halloween, trick or treating, you're not taking every big Reese's bar.

• 1:05:58Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, they don't, they don't have Halloween in Africa because people just take every Reese's bar. But here we always have because there's a lot of self restraint in the population. So what do you do about that?

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:08Tucker Carlson?

  I don't know.

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  I don't know either. But I think a solution though can be in, this is where like. Get rid of the delay, make them file the same day so that you increase transparency along that.

• 1:06:20Tucker Carlson?

  How long is the delay now?

• 1:06:21Speaker 01

  Forty-five days. And I don't, I did a lot of research, I couldn't figure out why there was a delay to begin with. Like, I don't understand why, why do you need a forty-five day delay? I don't know. Um, that's per the Stock Act. But also, once you get rid of the delay, just make it so that either the politicians have to invest in a blind trust or major ETFs, or if you're not gonna go that far, just don't allow them to trade companies they oversee. And it's very, very simple. If I'm a consultant covering pharmaceutical industry at Deloitte, Deloitte does not allow that consultant to buy pharmaceutical stocks. They can buy other stocks, but they can't buy pharmaceutical. And like, it's all just a step in the right direction, towards something that like, we

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  can get on the right path to trusting the politicians again. And that's like my goal.

• 1:07:09Tucker Carlson?

  I think the fact you're watching makes a big difference.

• 1:07:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:12Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, it has to, right?

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  I think it has, yeah, that's what I tell myself.

• 1:07:15Tucker Carlson?

  I thought about, you know, calling DOJ or copying DOJ on some of these social media posts and saying, you know, maybe there's, there should be a criminal referral here.

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, and we haven't, maybe that's the next step. Um, we, the SEC has never investigated any of them, and I think the SEC just has a ton of stuff on their hands, to be honest with you.

• 1:07:35Tucker Carlson?

  That's for sure.

• 1:07:36Speaker 01

  We'll see what happens.

• 1:07:37Tucker Carlson?

  Cause there's a lot of corruption in the country now, it's not just in Congress.

• 1:07:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, yeah, and the, the hard part about this is the SEC with, there's billion-dollar schemes, like, they should have found SPF, you know, kinda thing. The politicians is not the major, major thing on the monetary side. But it is, though, on the public image side. And that's what I think, like, I don't think people understand the long-term effects of not trusting institutions for the long run.

• 1:08:02Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree, and there should be a priesthood, a secular priesthood in charge.

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:07Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, that's why they call them public servants.

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:09Tucker Carlson?

  You know, they're, they're, they're giving up something to serve their country. I don't think that's unfair to ask people to do that.

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  I feel like they've forgotten about it. They forgot the whole, you know?

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• 1:09:08Tucker Carlson?

  How are defense stocks doing?

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  They're up. They're up. They had a, they were up earlier this year, I believe, but I think they, I think the one that I've followed in particular is Raytheon, and I think Raytheon's up around 80%. So, my thought is Lockheed and General Dynamics are up too. But there's small ones. I mean, Tommy Tuberville bought this company called Humasite. And what Humasite does is it treats soldiers injured in war in Ukraine. And he bought that stock, we flagged it because he sits on the Armed Services Committee. And if you go on the Armed Services website, it literally says, "Helping companies do military research." He buys the company that does military research. The stock was up, I think like at the peak of it, 100%. He

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  sold out early, so I think he made 30%. But it's not even just, like, my point is, it's not necessarily even just Lockheed, Raytheon.

• 1:10:03Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  It's these companies that get military government contracts to help the, the long tails of these wars.

• 1:10:09Tucker Carlson?

  That's all of Northern Virginia.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:10Tucker Carlson?

  Right there.

• 1:10:11Speaker 01

  I know. Yeah, I was listening to a couple of your other podcasts.

• 1:10:13Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, no, I mean, I've, I've spent my life there, so I'm deeply resentful. And it's also very ugly, which tells you a lot. What they do for a living is ugly. Killing people is the ugliest thing you could do. But they've also constructed an incredibly ugly world, physically. Like, if you drive from Dulles Airport into the city, you see not a single pretty building. Everything is awful, and it's a reflection of their souls, in my opinion. Others disagree. Tell us, and I went right over this, I'm sorry, but about Jim Cramer. You have an inverse Jim Cramer. So, if you were to invest with Jim Cramer... Would you do better or worse than say Debbie Wasserman Schultz or Nancy Pelosi?

• 1:10:50Speaker 01

  In 2024, you would have done better. And this is all up, if people want to go on joinautopilot.com or even on our app autopilot, you'll see all these numbers because I don't want to mess up the numbers and

• 1:11:01Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, of course, yeah.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  But Kramer was up 48%. Stock market was up around 25%.

• 1:11:06Tucker Carlson?

  He was up, not inverse.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  Sorry, sorry. Inverse Kramer was up 48%.

• 1:11:11Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, inverse Kramer, okay. So, so when you're talking about Kramer, you're talking about Kramer stupidity. Do the opposite.

• 1:11:15Speaker 01

  The opposite of Kramer was up 48%. And we balance that thing on a monthly basis. He has his own stock group, which maybe will pay to get the subscription in to actually see the stocks that he's talking about. He has this through CNBC. But yeah.

• 1:11:31Tucker Carlson?

  But inverse Kramer has done?

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  48.

• 1:11:35Tucker Carlson?

  That's, that's crazy.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  It's.

• 1:11:39Tucker Carlson?

  Do you think it's a gag? Like?

• 1:11:42Speaker 01

  I think it's social media, not even social media. I think it's just how media works. It's headlines and you have to talk about.

• 1:11:49Tucker Carlson?

  But he's like a Harvard graduate who's like a genius. Everybody saw me, I know him, he's obviously not a genius, but, but he's employed to tell you about the stock market, but betting against him gets you 48%. Like, how does that?

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  And he has a private stock market group that does all this stuff, that he tells people with personal stock picks and stuff like that. So it's not even just he gets employed and does it on social media and TV. He has a personal group that does it. But, yeah, that, that one blows my mind because I don't know how, I don't know how you can say, don't, you know, sell Tesla and the stock goes up 100%. There's a tremendous video from when, um, early days with Tesla, when Kramer is essentially talking about Tesla says, it's trash. Get rid of it. Don't even talk about it. From that day, the stock, some thousands, thousands and thousands of percent up. And Elon loves it.

• 1:12:40Tucker Carlson?

  Do you think that is? Do you think like Kramer? Like, why would they employ Kramer? How could he be that bad? If you just employed like your dog?

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:52Tucker Carlson?

  Or a whole bunch of dogs?

• 1:12:53Speaker 01

  You get a chicken.

• 1:12:54Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, exactly. That's exactly right.

• 1:12:58Tucker Carlson?

  Do you have any guesses?

• 1:12:59Speaker 01

  No, I mean, I think like.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  If I'm thinking about it, because I haven't really thought too much about it on the sense of, how does it actually like, how can it actually do it so well? My thought is maybe though, like, the way that the markets work, and I'm no expert at this, is, you know, you want to buy the news and sell the, or buy the buildup and then you sell the news.

• 1:13:23Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  Kramer could just be slow with getting on to these popular stocks. That by the time he's talking about Tesla, by the time he's talking about, hey, you know,

• 1:13:31Tucker Carlson?

  They're overvalued.

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  Go buy Nvidia. It's like, yeah, everyone's been talking about Nvidia for six months before you start talking about it. The portfolio that we have for him on autopilot is 15 million dollars following him. Following his inverse picks. So essentially, there's a, we have a pseudo ETF-ish sort of thing. That does the exact opposite of what-

• 1:13:52Tucker Carlson?

  All based on his stupidity.

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  All based on his stupidity, yeah. Or all based on what he thinks is right, that turns out to be wrong.

• 1:13:59Tucker Carlson?

  That's incredible. So you got venture backing for all the, because it does sound like, I love everything I love at all, but the fact that you made a business out of it is especially amazing.

• 1:14:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's been a journey, and again, like, I don't come from this world. You know, I was living in Bali before we started this thing. And Brian, Aaron, Scott, my co-founders, like, we all did this stuff together. We didn't think it would get this big. We got a lot of no's. And like, the slogan of what our app essentially was, was invest like a politician. So like, if your app says invest like a politician, how big can that thing actually become? How popular can that actually be? Turns out it can be very popular, because not only are they good, it's also the perfect, it's the perfect way to highlight the hypocrisy. Because it's like, what better way to highlight the hypocrisy of politician stock trading? Than to literally build an app to invest alongside that hypocrisy?

• 1:14:53Speaker 01

  And the next thing you know, you got ABC News talking about us, Elon's retweeted us.

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  Major thanks to you. This is the first time we've ever had a long form conversation about this. Our app is, when we launched it, we were number two in the App Store.

• 1:15:07Tucker Carlson?

  No way!

• 1:15:08Speaker 01

  The whole thing blew up right before our very eyes. Yeah. And the Pelosi tracker was a great part of that. But we have much, much bigger, much broader ambitions and that's where the venture backed part comes in.

• 1:15:21Tucker Carlson?

  What's so cool is that, so you built a whole business mocking and simultaneously profiting from the corruption of politicians, but you're at the same time calling for an end to it.

• 1:15:34Speaker 01

  If we lose the politician stock trading, we lose a major chunk of our business, for sure.

• 1:15:38Tucker Carlson?

  But you're still in favor of losing it?

• 1:15:40Speaker 01

  A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Cause our mission is to instill trust back in the institutions. And I'm not an expert at this, but this topic, but like the way that we see it is knock out the politicians and this is all through autopilot. Autopilot's our slogan in the broader when we pitch investors.

• 1:15:59Tucker Carlson?

  I love the name, by the way.

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. Put your money on it. It's to redefine money management. So I'm 29 and we're about to go through the greatest wealth transfer in history of the world. You know, 85 trillion is about to be parked on people like my doorstep. Say I get half a million dollars.

• 1:16:17Tucker Carlson?

  This is when the boomers die.

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. This is when the boomers die. And part of that money is in housing, but there still is a lot that goes into money management.

• 1:16:26Speaker 01

  75% of kids who inherit their parents' money, fire their parents' financial advisor the day they get that money. So now you got a kid who has half a million dollars parked on his lap, fires the financial manager because it's like, who the heck are you? And now they have to make the decisions of how do I invest this money? Do I do it on my own? Do I do it through a Google search? Pick the top financial advisor? Do I do it through a friend? We think there's a lot of problems in that. And there's no trust and transparency in those decisions. So with autopilot, what we're trying to do is solve that trust and transparent way by building a marketplace to find a money manager and then invest through that money manager in a way that you still have control.

• 1:17:08Speaker 01

  And I think like what you said earlier, and I'm sorry for rambling, but

• 1:17:12Tucker Carlson?

  No, I love it.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  The, the big, big thing that we're trying to do is

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  We're trying to ensure that people's money builds the futures that they want. And I think in 2030, 2035, 2040, this is going to become a bigger and bigger thing. And a good example of the early inklings of this is this, whether it's conspiracy theory or not, you know, we'll, we'll see what happens with it. But this, this topic of BlackRock and Vanguard having money and taking the, the assets in their own ETFs and stuff and using that to sway public laws and public opinion in the company, in the states that they oversee. They're getting sued in Texas, they're getting sued in Florida. And part of like, well, again, whether that's true or not,

• 1:17:59Speaker 01

  what annoys me personally when I invest is I want to make sure that my money goes towards my beliefs. And if you have someone else managing your money, or you put your money in a Vanguard, you put your money in a BlackRock, there's possibilities for that to happen at a much broader scale than if you do it on your own.

• 1:18:16Tucker Carlson?

  That's exactly right.

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  And that's like what we're trying to, we're trying to build that. We're trying to essentially build out the way that you can have your money managed without you having to sacrifice your own values, your own voter rights, your own beliefs.

• 1:18:28Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. Yeah. You don't want to turn over your money to someone who is trying to eliminate all your rights. I mean, that's crazy.

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  It's contradictory and it works for both sides. Like it, I don't, for me personally, pro-America, I don't want any dollars invested in Chinese stocks.

• 1:18:45Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  And like if I have, you know, maybe a couple hundred bucks if you're trying to swing an Alibaba. But if like you got a half a million dollars in that retirement, I don't want any of that invested in Alibaba because inherently you are funding a future where Alibaba succeeds. Like, do you want that? And the other side is like, we have customers and we have clients that are like, I don't want my money building, invested in oil companies. Like, I want to be pro-EV. It's like, okay, but did you know that you got your retirement account with these other people and they, they have money in Chevron, Oxy, you know, things like that. That's like what we're trying to solve and trying to build to. And again, it all starts with just trust. Because if you can't trust even where your money is being invested,

• 1:19:28Speaker 01

  what does that mean? In my opinion, that means society is worse off because you don't even trust how your money is being managed in that state that you're in.

• 1:19:37Tucker Carlson?

  Right. And it, it changes people if they conclude that the whole. The whole deal is a scam.

• 1:19:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:45Tucker Carlson?

  I lived a lot of the year in a really rural area and my whole life, the no one I knew ever took any government benefits because the idea was that we're like proud, you know, working class people were not doing that. And then the state brought in all these immigrants from Africa and gave them everything, you know, houses, phones, airplane tickets, food vouchers, free medical, just these are immigrants getting all this free stuff and everyone in the town where I am, which is very few immigrants people, not everyone, people I knew were like, wait a second, you know, I served in the military, I've worked, paid tax my whole life. I've never gotten anything from the government. Screw it. I'm putting in for any any benefit I possibly can in it. And it, you know, it's easy for me to disapprove because I'm rich. So it's like, I don't have to do that, but I got it.

• 1:20:30Tucker Carlson?

  It's like they all of a sudden realized people who've lived in this country their whole lives. You know, did a lot for the country. I would argue they realized the whole thing's a freaking scam. So I might as well get in on it. If you have that attitude, man, things fall apart like that.

• 1:20:43Speaker 01

  Look at COVID.

• 1:20:44Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:20:45Speaker 01

  Happened with all the COVID loans.

• 1:20:47Tucker Carlson?

  The PPO stuff or whatever.

• 1:20:48Speaker 01

  Pelosi was a big part of this too.

• 1:20:50Tucker Carlson?

  The PPO.

• 1:20:51Speaker 01

  The PPO with the employees.

• 1:20:53Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:54Speaker 01

  So there's documents. So Pelosi owns a hotel up in Napa. I think it's a hotel. And she has had this one property that has made a hundred thousand dollars, lost a hundred thousand. And you all have to file this every year. And in it, you have your income, made a hundred K, lost a hundred K, made a hundred K, lost a hundred K. The year that COVID happened, they made five million plus in profit. So how do you go from, and this is income. This isn't necessarily even just like, uh, like it's not necessarily loans or anything. This is income. You lose a hundred K, you make a hundred K. COVID happens, the loans go out, your business now makes five million.

• 1:21:36Speaker 01

  Year after that, you go back down to making a hundred K and then making a hundred K, losing a hundred K. So there was an anomaly. This came out, um, I think by the New York Post, uh, right after Thanksgiving, I think. And they highlight this and it's like, was the corruption around these PPP loans, these, uh, you know, COVID loans? Did this get up to the degree that the politicians were benefiting from this too? And it seems like it did. So that's again, like the, that frustrates me because that we have a family company. We sell sports compression products, little arm sleeves. We don't necessarily have employees, but you know, we're, we're a small family business. We took out a loan to

• 1:22:16Speaker 01

  survive because we sell in sports. Sports got canceled. We had to pay that loan back, which is fine. We knew that when we took it out that we have to pay this loan back, but that loan money didn't go towards profiting us. It essentially went towards sustaining us. We had to pay it back though. That loan to Pelosi, the $5 million that she makes, it comes in as income. You don't have to pay it back because it, it's just so messed up.

• 1:22:42Tucker Carlson?

  It's disgusting.

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's, and again, I don't come from any of this stuff. I know nothing about the politics and how it was before we started tracking. And it just shocks me of like these rules for thee and not for me to the every single aspect of our lives.

• 1:23:00Tucker Carlson?

  You should be shocked by it. You should fight against it. You are, I hope you get, ironically, I hope you get rich, but you against it. And I really appreciate that explanation. It was even more interesting than I thought. Thank you.

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you again for having me on.

• 1:23:13Tucker Carlson?

  Dude, you're one of the reasons I like social media. Whenever I think, oh, social media is turning everyone trans and it's bad. Then I see what you do. And I'm like, no, it's actually, there are some great things.

• 1:23:22Speaker 01

  And it's not just us. I think Elon with X.

• 1:23:26Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  Saved everything because we had a Pelosi tracker on Meta banned.

• 1:23:30Tucker Carlson?

  They banned it?

• 1:23:31Speaker 01

  Then the first week. Yeah.

• 1:23:32Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 1:23:35Speaker 01

  I think in their disclaimer and stuff, whatnot, they said they couldn't use the name Pelosi tracker.

• 1:23:39Tucker Carlson?

  You can't criticize any politician from the Bay area where they're based.

• 1:23:42Speaker 01

  And so we then created and we did the politician trade tracker. So we're on Instagram now, but, but Elon with X in the, uh, the citizen journalism that's going on. I think that's like the, the biggest thing that I get, I'm proud of is like,

• 1:23:57Speaker 01

  And whether these news, CNNs, Fox News, NBCs, and I don't know how they're going to adapt to it, but they have to figure out a way to hit the masses through social media. And the best people at it are these citizen journalists on X that are doing all this work, that are uncovering these stories. They may not have all the facts, they may not be 100% right. There's probably some grifters out there, but at the end of the day, the conversation's being had, and it's a step in the right direction.

• 1:24:25Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, it's wonderful. Everything about it is wonderful. Thank you for taking this time.

• 1:24:28Speaker 01

  Appreciate it.

• 1:24:29Tucker Carlson?

  I do.

• 1:24:34Tucker Carlson?

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