Logan Paul Reveals the $100 Million Mistake He Made With Prime | PBD Podcast #856

Patrick Bet-David sits down with Logan Paul at Vault 2026 for a candid conversation on Prime, WWE, content creation, failure, and businesses. Logan reveals the $100M exit mistake, his plan to fight Conor McGregor, the science behind storytelling, and how he built an audience of more than 100 million. ------ 👞 Get the NEW Billionaire Suede Loafer: https://bit.ly/4ym5oRA . 👕 SHOP THE ICON COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/3TuUU3x . Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/4kSVkso . Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP . 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 . 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj . 🇰 KALSHI: http://kalshi.com/pbd . SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @ValuetainmentComedy ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller "Your Next Five Moves" (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  I don't give a

• 0:01Patrick Bet-David?

  There's one guy named Logan Paul. Whether you like him or not, people are talking about him. He's everywhere.

• 0:06Speaker 00

  I'm everywhere. When I picked up a video camera and I found things that I actually loved, it didn't feel like work. That part came natural to me.

• 0:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Is he selling you a dream? Is he shaping your mind?

• 0:17Speaker 00

  Hell no, Pat.

• 0:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing.

• 0:18Speaker 00

  Pat, I worked hard doing things that I hated.

• 0:21Patrick Bet-David?

  You've had a few setbacks in your career. You've had certain, and a lot of them were public. How different is the last Logan Paul going through a setback than the one from 10 years ago?

• 0:30Speaker 00

  The world's changing so fast, man.

• 0:32Patrick Bet-David?

  When you guys were competing, were you like punking and pushing him around, like kicking his ass a little bit?

• 0:36Speaker 00

  It wasn't a competition, dude. I was smoking him.

• 0:39Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you view content creation? What is the science of content creation for you?

• 0:45Speaker 00

  It's interesting because there is a science behind it. It's all art. They're all brushstrokes on a canvas. It just changes.

• 0:51Patrick Bet-David?

  If you would box and do one of these big boxing matches, you guys, who would you fight?

• 0:55Speaker 00

  Something's gonna happen. Something's gonna happen, that's for sure. You know, to Pat's point, I'm incredible. I really am.

• 1:03Speaker 00

  I've chosen to share my story with the world. The story has ups, the story has downs. None of it matters. We're on a floating rock, spinning in the middle of an infinite universe. If you think for one second, anyone actually cares about what you're doing, you're wrong.

• 1:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you like this 10 years ago? Or did you have to develop this mindset?

• 1:22Speaker 02

  If you and Jake fought, who would win?

• 1:24Speaker 00

  Whoa. Is this guy trying to do? Can I keep it real?

• 1:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Keep it real.

• 1:30Speaker 00

  Tom Brady.

• 1:40Patrick Bet-David?

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• 2:22Speaker 00

  Man, I'm humbled. I'm honored to be here.

• 2:24Patrick Bet-David?

  It's great to have you here.

• 2:25Speaker 00

  Thank you so much.

• 2:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes. Please grab a seat.

• 2:27Speaker 00

  Sure. Man, this is great, PBD. I'm impressed.

• 2:31Patrick Bet-David?

  So, question for you. I mean, of course, you know, I came to the back, we had a chance to speak. I'm gonna bring Dylan up here because he wants to talk to you as well. How is it possible? This is the dynamic I want, because we've got some parents here that their kids are content creators. Okay? How is it possible that your parents raised two boys? You guys have a very different personality. You're different than Jake. Of course, some similarities drive. How is it that both of you guys doing so well, getting so much attention?

• 2:59Speaker 00

  That's a great question. Um, I love that lead. Because I assume there's a lot of parents in here. Um, and at the risk of sounding arrogant, yeah, my parents are two for two, which is tough, especially because while we were always there for each other, Jake and I, my brother, and we definitely amplified each other. To your point, we are very different. We have very different personalities. And although we've done similar things in terms of content, our businesses look pretty dramatically different. We say we're the exact same and the exact opposite. We're yin and yang. But to be honest, I, I've said this before publicly, I attribute a lot of our success to, man, you guys,

• 3:43Speaker 00

  it's a cliche answer, and I'm sure you've heard it a ton already, but it is the work ethic that my father instilled in us. I think, I think we were both raised by a man who

• 3:59Speaker 00

  really did his own thing, refused to let the world tell him who he is, stubborn, hardworking, and didn't bow down to anyone. But at the same time, had this burning desire to just be a great father. My parents got divorced at a young age. I was seven, Jake was five. It was, it was pretty ugly. But my dad made an effort to make sure he had split custody and he was seeing us half the time. And so while both parents ultimately played a role in who Jake and I became,

• 4:34Speaker 00

  my, I mean, I'll be honest with you. My, my dad would do things that were like probably borderline illegal uh, in terms of working us. Um, try not to do that to your kids, but by God, it worked. Like, man, he would have us uh, at, at eight, 10 years old, going and helping him renovate houses, like hoarders' houses, cleaning out like gunk from the corner of their back, like, like disgusting 12, 14 hour days. That's like a 10 year old with no pay, bro. Like, our pay was, our pay was Wendy's for lunch. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not being facetious. He was like, you can get Wendy's for lunch. Thanks, Dad. We, we could survive? Cool. Thanks, Dad.

• 5:14Patrick Bet-David?

  But what's the reasoning behind it? Or was it just like?

• 5:16Speaker 00

  Reasoning behind it? No, we're gonna help out. My dad didn't have a workforce, so he put his sons to work. He was an efficient man, and by golly, we helped him. I will say, so for the hoarders' houses, he would let us keep things we found.

• 5:33Patrick Bet-David?

  If you found something, it's yours. That's a nice of you, very nice of you.

• 5:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw, I saw the little vase I found in one of the houses on eBay for like a hundred bucks. I was like, dude, I'm, I'm balling. But I give that context because we learned to work hard doing things that we hated. So when I picked up a video camera, when I started playing sports and wrestling, and I found things that I actually loved, it didn't feel like work. That part came natural to me. I worked hard doing things that I hated. So when I found something I loved, I knew how to work hard.

• 6:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Is he selling you a dream? Is he shaping your mind?

• 6:12Speaker 00

  Hell no, Pat.

• 6:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing.

• 6:14Speaker 00

  Pat, this isn't a, like, I would assume that most people in this room are like high aspirational individuals, um, have achieved an amount of success that they're proud of and can wear that badge on their chest or, or are on their way there. My dad wasn't really like that. He was really just trying to make ends meet. He, he thought that we could be like that. But it was not something that he thought, he was, like, he would never come to this conference and, and, and try, try to build a, a business and success and life for himself to, to make that generational wealth.

• 6:57Speaker 00

  But he instilled the principles within us to do that.

• 7:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Intentionally or accidentally?

• 7:02Speaker 00

  It was, it was intentional.

• 7:03Patrick Bet-David?

  So it is intentional?

• 7:04Speaker 00

  It was intentional, but it was like,

• 7:07Speaker 00

  it seemed like facetious. Like, my dad would always joke and, and say like, you guys are gonna become rich and famous and you're gonna buy me a plot of land and I'll be the groundskeeper on the, on the plot of land. And like, I mean, that fucking happened.

• 7:23Speaker 00

  I can't believe it. It really happened. Um, but at the time, we're like, become rich and famous? How? Like, what's, what's your plan for us, bucko? Like, we don't know how, we don't, what are we doing here?

• 7:34Patrick Bet-David?

  So he is feeding you though. He is selling you on who you guys could be one day.

• 7:38Speaker 00

  He was.

• 7:39Patrick Bet-David?

  That's amazing.

• 7:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so he is developing you guys. And would he steer, would he create competition between the two of you or not really? Was it like, hey, he can do it faster? He's stronger, he's smarter? He's better in math? Or was it like, you guys are gonna work as a team?

• 7:51Speaker 00

  No, no, rarely. I mean, like, there were times where he'd be like, well, you guys are brothers, but most times it was pinning us against each other. It was, my brother Jake, see, if you guys are familiar with Jake Paul, the problem child, boxer, businessman, entrepreneur, Republican.

• 8:10Speaker 00

  He's a, he's, he's, on paper in high school, growing up, he was, he was a failure. Like, actually, getting in trouble, stole iPhones, 1.6 GPA. I was the opposite. I was a, I was a, I was a very good student, was a good athlete, all, no, no drinking, no drugs, no partying, no trouble, just, I was locked in. And so, without fast forwarding 20 years and seeing what it became of our lives, as, as parents, they're looking at one brother who's failing at everything and the other who's winning at everything, if I do say so myself. And so my dad would often pin us against each other and make Jake feel like he wasn't doing enough, because quite frankly, he wasn't.

• 8:57Speaker 00

  But that's also why he became who he is. Because Jake's mission now is to just prove everyone wrong. And he's done it time and time and time again.

• 9:04Patrick Bet-David?

  And when you guys were competing, were you like the true older brother punking him, pushing him around, like kicking his ass a little bit? Were you like, hey, it's okay, you can do something? What role were you playing?

• 9:14Speaker 00

  No, it wasn't a competition, dude. I was smoking him. And the kid was already down bad. It's not like, I didn't want to make him feel any worse.

• 9:28Speaker 00

  And we just, we just rolled with different circles. Like, he was with the troublemakers and I was, I was just kind of just like doing my own things, studying, like nerd, jock nerd, kind of gets along with everyone chameleon-like.

• 9:44Speaker 00

  I don't think we were, I don't think we were as close growing up as we, yeah.

• 9:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Even though it's two years apart?

• 9:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:49Patrick Bet-David?

  So you guys went out there. Okay, so if you're doing this school, then what are you thinking you're gonna be doing? Because you, you had, I don't know what the number was, 10, 12, 14 million followers on Vine? So you were very famous very early. So was your trajectory, were you saying, I'm gonna do good in school because one day I'm gonna be lawyer? I'm gonna be this? And then media took you to a different place?

• 10:08Speaker 00

  That's correct. I, I, it's so interesting because now I look at social media in the world and

• 10:16Speaker 00

  anyone can see anything online and get inspired by the possibility of what could be.

• 10:24Speaker 00

  I don't really know if I had that. There wasn't, like, I, I didn't, like, when I started making YouTube videos, YouTuber was not a thing. That, that, that term was coined. Influencer was not a thing. That term was coined. And so I, I don't, I don't, I don't quite really remember how it all happened, other than I, I, I found something that I loved and, and I pursued it. And shit, life unfolded in quite an interesting way.

• 11:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Which was the clip that you're like, oh shit, I think this thing just went viral? Do you remember the first time it happened?

• 11:04Speaker 00

  So it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I guess, I guess the big thing was, so I went to college. I did pursue college. I wanted to be an industrial and systems engineer. And to me, school was, school was a way to, maybe not guarantee success, but increase your likelihood of becoming successful. I happened to find that creative passion, which I ultimately ended up pursuing. But I knew I was good at school and I enjoyed it. And I thought I would be a good engineer. But when I went to college, I used my campus as my playground. I had a friend actually give me an inspirational speech and she's like, you can't give a fuck what anyone thinks of you on college. Like, you want to make content? You want to be a Vine star? Like, like this is your playground.

• 11:48Speaker 00

  Like, use it, use it to create that content and achieve your goals. And so I did end up doing it and I made a Vine compilation. So Six Second Vines, rest in peace, back to back to back to back in a three-minute compilation. I posted it on YouTube and the video went viral. It got picked up by mainstream media. The next day, I'm flying out from Ohio University, Athens, Ohio, to New York City to go on the Today Show to talk about my Vine compilation.

• 12:17Patrick Bet-David?

  How old were you at that time?

• 12:18Speaker 00

  I was 18. I was 18. It was, it was one of my first trips to New York.

• 12:23Speaker 00

  And I was like, oh my gosh. I think this is like my first, like, kind of, kind of big break, like mainstream media, internet media, there's, there's some sort of convergence happening and I think, happening. And I think I'm at the, at the center of it at the moment.

• 12:40Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, most people look at you and they, they think of you as just a personality. I remember one time you said you went to college and you were very serious about going to college and you were on the honor roll, you had a 4.0 GPA, you were doing everything right. And then one day you're like, no, I'm gonna get out and do what I'm doing here. How do you view content creation? What is the, you know, science of content creation for you?

• 13:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's interesting because there is a science behind it. And as you mentioned, people like Steven Bartlett or Jimmy, Mr. Beast, know that science through and through. I'm a little less scientific about it. I apply the best principles, best practices of, of content creation to my content when I can. But I actually approach it a little bit more like an artist in an intuitive way, which this is where there might be a disconnect from my ability to like, I like, I can, I can, I can give you broad strokes of like what makes good content. But for me, it's a taste. Taste is a, is a, is a defining feature of artists.

• 13:43Speaker 00

  And like, I, I have it in my Instagram bio for a reason. I think it says artist, boxer, wrestler, because I do consider myself an artist. My canvas just changes, whether it's performing in the WWE, whether it's taking pictures, making content, whatever, it's, it's, it's all art. They're all brushstrokes on a canvas. It just changes. And so.

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• 15:47Speaker 00

  I will say this, perhaps this will be helpful. While I was always drawn to content creation,

• 15:55Speaker 00

  it sucked at first. It was bad. Like, eight, nine, 10-year-old Logan wasn't, wasn't making like movies, you know, Steven Spielberg-level media. It was, it was, it was bad. But by the time Vine had come out and I was 18, I had already logged my 10,000 hours. You know, they weren't, they weren't like the best and I didn't really have any success. We had like 4,000 subscribers on YouTube, which at the time I thought was huge.

• 16:22Patrick Bet-David?

  At 18, you were at 4,000?

• 16:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, at 18 years old.

• 16:24Patrick Bet-David?

  But you gotta keep in mind, you're 31 today, April 1st. So you're, so that's 13 years ago.

• 16:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:30Patrick Bet-David?

  At 4,000 subscribers from 13 years to now, I don't know how many you have, 50, 80 million followers? You got?

• 16:37Speaker 00

  I think I'm over, probably over 100 million cross-platform. Which, which it's funny, like, looking back, like, 13 years is, that is, that is a lot of time. But from 4,000 to over 100 million and this being my life and career, it's like, it's not impossible. You just have to put in the work. And that, that's ultimately what I'm saying here. My shit sucked. But I was able to refine it and become better at the craft. And now it's like, it's, it comes, it comes so natural to me because it's like all I know for the past 13, fuck it, 20 years, I've just been, just been making content. And I, and I, and, and you, you, you will get better the more you do. You put in the reps.

• 17:15Patrick Bet-David?

  But Logan, is it more, let's try to see if we can get three steps out of it? Like, you said you're a writer, right? Like, seven, eight years old, you're writing novels. Do you sit there, you see something, you're like, ooh, what if this? What if that? What if, do you actually do that?

• 17:29Speaker 00

  So this is funny. This is, I actually don't think I've talked about this publicly. So my wife is really the only one who sees me do it.

• 17:41Speaker 00

  But the answer is yeah, like obsessively. The amount of notes that I have in my phone would shock you and the length of each one. Because as I'm making the content, like I guess this is where it gets a little scientific. There's a, there is a way to capture content and structure it while you're shooting it to make sure that the end uh product is the best that it could be. It's, it's, I guess, I guess you could call it like, that's, that's, that's my creative process. And my wife, my wife will watch and she'll be like, this is, this is, this is so interesting. So like this is it.

• 18:19Speaker 00

  So, so this, this is how you, you became who you are. Like I'm watching, it's, it's the behind the scenes boring stuff where I'm sitting at the laptop typing for hours on an airplane or like on my phone, just kind of like maybe looking out the window, waiting, waiting for an idea or inspiration to hit and then put it in my phone, thinking about it like it's the less glamorous side of it, but also the most important.

• 18:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So you rec, so, so the notes you write, is it storyboard, is it, because how many guys have seen the commercials he does with Prime with different videos that anyone's seen the stuff that they do with the commercials? Some of the things you do on how creative you are, I'm like, that has got to be the most, how did you come up with that idea? How did you come up with that thought? Do you, do you, do you write pictures and you say, first I'm gonna do this, then I'm gonna do that, then I'm gonna say this, here's what the opening line is gonna be?

• 19:09Speaker 00

  Do you want the um, do you want like me to run you through the actual?

• 19:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I want you to want me through it.

• 19:14Speaker 00

  Alright, so two, two things. First, first off, um

• 19:19Speaker 00

  creativity is interesting because it is something that comes to me naturally. Uh, which makes it easy for me to come up with ideas. I implore you to figure out when you're most creative, if you're a creative person or in a creative industry. Uh, for me, it's like the 10 to 20 minutes, that's usually it, the 10 to 20 minute window. When I close my eyes, when I go to sleep at the end of the night, which isn't great for my sleep pattern, but like for some reason, when I put my head on the pillow and I close my eyes,

• 19:50Speaker 00

  I can just imagine and see things and I'll pick up my phone and write notes, pick up my phone and write notes. That's the first thing. Um, in terms of the creative process, if you have an idea, for the love of God, get it out of your head and write it down. I, it, you will forget it. You 100% will forget it.

• 20:14Patrick Bet-David?

  It's such a big point, by the way. You know how there's, you wake up in the morning, you're like, I was thinking about an idea, I forgot it.

• 20:19Speaker 00

  You will forget it. There are some ideas where in my head I go, that's so fucking good, I, I won't forget it. I, Pat, I love a good idea. I am obsessed with a good idea. A good idea can literally light my soul on fire. I have, I've been sent down paths that have changed the trajectory of my life because of a seed of an idea. But not every idea is gonna be an incredible idea, but some of them are still good. So for the love of God, if you have an idea, take out your phone, write it down, uh, or, or type it in your phone, write it down, whatever your method of inscribing is, get that shit out there. Um, here's the creative process.

• 21:00Speaker 00

  Okay, I'm, I'm, this is a, this is a little bit of a, of a masterclass on, on storytelling. If you're someone who thinks storytelling is important, and by the way, it is, Steve Jobs said the storyteller is the most powerful person in the world. Um, and storytelling is a medium that has been around for

• 21:19Speaker 00

  the existence of humanity, the entire existence of humanity. Our ancestors would sit around a campfire and tell stories. In fact, I just watched a video that, uh, that said, uh, after, after our ancestors were done hunting during the day and they would sit around the campfire and tell stories, 80% of what they spoke about at night was storytelling. So word of mouth, inspiration via storytelling. So what I do is if I know that I'm, I want to tell this story or I see a content going in a certain direction, first things first, after you shoot something, take out your phone, write down what you shot.

• 21:58Speaker 00

  Write the broad strokes of it, write the date, uh, date, this is what was shot, broad strokes, okay? Every time you log a piece of content, do that. If you're pursuing a quest or a story or something like that, eventually you should have a, a list of all the stuff you shot. This is the hard part. Now you have to structure it. What makes sense? There is a formula for storytelling that, uh, the best storytellers in the world follow, and there's a bit of a taste and intuition that, that comes with it, but if you have not and you want to tell stories, you should read the book, Save the Cat. There's beats, there's beats you can follow. Um, rising exposition, all is lost moment, the climax, all of it.

• 22:42Speaker 00

  And, uh, I'm not even like an expert at like fully following it beat by beat, but there's like a, there's a rhythm and there's, there's, there's conflict that has to be introduced. So I will, I will sit and, um,

• 22:58Speaker 00

  this is actually interesting and probably not super helpful, but I will sit and I will wait for a stroke of inspiration. If an idea has taken over my mind, I will, I will be patient to let the stroke of inspiration hit me before I start structuring it. It, it, it, it comes with the obsession of what I'm trying to show and what I'm trying to tell. And I know that there will be a day where I will sit there for four hours and, and, and beat out the entire story. Um, but the structure is important. It's like you're doing the work before the work and you get to see what the story looks like before it's there. Why would someone stay for a video that, or a story you're trying to tell that doesn't have conflict?

• 23:43Speaker 00

  Um, that's, that's really important. You've got to figure out what that is. And then what's the resolve for that conflict? How does it happen? Um, and all these various beats, if you can figure them out beforehand, you take a lot of work off your editor's plate. This is another thing. You gotta have a, you should have a kick ass editor or two.

• 23:59Patrick Bet-David?

  You were also editing early on.

• 24:01Speaker 00

  I was editing, it's important.

• 24:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Right. I remember, I went to a social media world conference. It was in San Diego. It's gotta be 10 years ago, maybe 11 years ago. Logan, this video went viral. Logan walked in, ran around, created a riot and left. Do you remember that? Do you remember this event?

• 24:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was VidCon.

• 24:21Patrick Bet-David?

  It was VidCon, that's what it was. Yeah, VidCon, that's what it was. Came in and I looked at kids, I'm like, what, what happened? This guy named Logan Paul. Why are people running like this? He's a massive YouTuber right now. You should see what he's doing. And it was

• 24:33Speaker 00

  You were there?

• 24:34Patrick Bet-David?

  I was there. I was at that event. I saw, I saw that happen. You literally ran by me by the escalator. I'm like, who is this guy? I'm like, you running around going, doing all this? I'm like, and then later on, of course, you turn into who you are today, one of the bigger names. So for you, what's your lens on? Because now you run impulsive. That's a different lens, right? You've done vlog and then there's the content creation. How different you look at running a podcast versus running a vlog versus making, making a video, making an ad?

• 24:59Speaker 00

  Yeah. So you gotta be able to context switch. Uh, well, actually, no, no, you fucking don't, but it is, it is a good, it is a good skill if you want to, uh, be someone who has more than one tentacle, which in the, the world of content creation helps. Um, if you're someone who's aspiring to be a content creator or are a content creator, it's a skill and that skill can be, uh, utilized in different ways depending on the medium that you're making the media. So yeah, I mean, my, the, the, the context is always switching. And you know what? It's interesting. You, you mentioned impulsive. Um, my, my personal opinion, actually, I think, I think, I think our format on impulsive is outdated.

• 25:40Speaker 00

  There I said it. We were, we were one of the first people to do podcasts. Um, and I think the, the world of podcasting has changed in a way. I think the angles look different. I think the value that, uh, is being brought from podcasts is a bit different than what impulsive offers. Impulsive is, uh, we, we bring, bring value, but it's mostly like entertainment. Um, and I think a lot of people listen to podcasts now to, to learn something or try to better themselves, which, uh, we don't, we don't always offer. Um, and so it's a conversation of like, what does the future of impulsive look like? And that's a, that's a context switch right there. But depending on, depending on the, the medium that you're creating,

• 26:21Speaker 00

  you have to be able to understand what it is, where you fit and who you're trying to speak to. And that takes time.

• 26:31Patrick Bet-David?

  So impulsive, so even the format of, like, do you guys cut and you upload the interview and you're saying, maybe we ought to use a little bit more AI to score the clips better? Are you saying that or are you saying more the conversation being around education instead of more entertainment?

• 26:44Speaker 00

  Uh, I'm saying, I'm saying like, what does the future of impulsive look like, like in general? Like, is this, is, is our current format working? It is so oversaturated now. Podcasts are so oversaturated. And when we started, man, it, it just wasn't like, and, and it was reflected in our, in our view count. We'd put, we, man, we get like one to four million views a pop. Now, now maybe 250, 500K, which, you know, I think if, if impulsive was the one thing I'm doing, you might look at that and be like, oh my God, we're irrelevant, which by the way, I fucking hate that word. Because it's, it's weaponized and thrown around like it actually matters. And like, what is, what is, what is relevance? Like,

• 27:29Speaker 00

  the, does it even matter? Some of the, some of the wealthiest, successful, happiest people in the world are irrelevant, like, but in, in social media world, everyone is so tied to the numbers and the views that they're getting that they get sucked up by shit that doesn't actually matter. If you're a content creator, you have to be prepared to remove yourself from the emotion of the views, which is way easier said than done. Um, I'm there, right? But when we look at impulsive, it's like, okay, like the, the, the views are at a, at probably like, probably maybe not the lowest we've ever been, but it's not the best we've ever been. And so it's like, how, how, how do we make this medium and this, uh, this, this, this content more compelling or be able to compete?

• 28:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Why are you so comfortable talking about that here in front of everybody? I mean,

• 28:17Speaker 00

  Because I don't give a fuck.

• 28:18Patrick Bet-David?

  That's, but that's, that's where I'm going with it. That's the part that I want everybody here for us to take. You're, you're, you're, so walk me through the next phase because you went through this early on at, at age. A lot of times the bigger worry is not to you, Logan, everyone knows who you are. You're not a, you're an A lister. It's not like, uh, you know, folks who are getting started, but the worry is about what other people think of what's going on with the business. Yeah. How did you, when you were coming up, you've had a few setbacks in your career, you've had certain, and a lot of them were public.

• 28:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:47Patrick Bet-David?

  How, how did you, the first time go through it versus the last time? How different is the last Logan Paul going through a setback than the one from 10 years ago?

• 28:57Speaker 00

  Um, yeah, I have had a lot of setbacks and uh now when they happen, I thank God for the trial and the tribulation. I'm grateful for the setbacks. I often find that those moments are when I learn the most um and lead to the best outcomes in my life. Failure is not a bad thing. Failure, failure, failure should be celebrated, I think, because you're gonna learn the most and you're gonna become the person you want to be because of those failures. All of us are sitting in this room here today because of everything that has happened in our life. Uh if it had happened another way, maybe, maybe, maybe we wouldn't be here. Maybe, maybe life would look a little different. And so, again, this is, it's so

• 29:40Speaker 00

  cliche, but a lot of the cliche stuff is true. You, you, you, you can't be afraid to fail and moreover, you, you cannot give a fuck what other people think. People are strangers and online, like, man, yeah, I've, I've, I've had failures and everyone's seen it and uh some of it could be considered embarrassing and but like, whatever, this is, this is, this is, this is my human experience. This is what's happening. I've chosen to share my story with the world. The story has ups, the story has downs. None of it fucking matters. We're on a floating rock, spinning in the middle of an infinite universe. We don't know why we're here. We don't know how we got here. We don't know where we're going. If you think for one fucking second, anyone actually cares about what you're doing,

• 30:25Speaker 00

  you're wrong. Like, yes, your family and friends, I'm being general, but like, in the, in the grand scheme of life, bro, do you understand how small we are in this universe? It's incomprehensible. It's, it's incomprehensible how tiny we are, this speck of dust we are, not even a speck of dust, an atom, floating in the middle of an infinite universe and here we are thinking that we fucking matter. Yes, you matter to your family and friends. Again, I'm being general, but what I'm saying is, it doesn't fucking matter. You have one life, you've been blessed with this one, one life in the, in the world. Go out there and do what you love and don't, don't, don't, doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Go do what you fucking love.

• 31:06Speaker 03

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• 32:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Were you, were you like this 10 years ago? Or did you have to develop this mindset?

• 32:58Speaker 00

  No.

• 32:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Because it seems like it's been there the entire time.

• 33:02Speaker 00

  It, it, it's been there. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's been there, yeah. But, but it's, it's cemented now in a way where... There's a saying I like. Like, I'm someone who, like, I could walk on water and people would tell me it's because I can't swim. He's only walking on water because he doesn't know how to swim. Shut the fuck up! Everyone has something to say and like now as a 31-year-old adult, I realize like, yo, that mindset of not giving a fuck, like, is, is really important. And, and when you

• 33:44Speaker 00

  understand that strangers are gonna give opinions about what you're doing and it doesn't matter because they're strangers and no person's gonna tell you who they think you are, you're gonna get, you're gonna reach a level of peace in your life that is gonna allow you to do the things that you want, that make you happy.

• 34:00Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree. Make some noise, make some noise. But that was phenomenal. Logan, is, you give me the vibes of a guy that's very intentional what he's doing and you're pursuing what's important to you. Are you in pursuit of a clear vision for yourself? Now, like, we had The Rock here two years ago and he said, um, you know, when he went to his managers and he said, "I want to be Will Smith, except bigger. And I want to do, I don't know if you've seen that interview or not." Is there a vision for Logan Paul? Or are you kind of like, "I'm going out there doing my thing and opportunities are coming my way"? Which one do you think you are more?

• 34:37Speaker 00

  This is one thing that Jake and I uh don't have in common. We're very different in this way. And I, I, I, I draw a lot of comparison to my brother because he's like, you know, same upbringing, very similar career, but very different. It's, it's, it's interesting to see like how two people can do this and, and separate, but still have similarities. He's um, he's far more intentional with his vision, specifically his long-term vision than I am.

• 35:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 35:01Speaker 00

  He's very intentional.

• 35:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Seriously?

• 35:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, and it's gonna, it's, it'll pay off. You'll see. Jake is, Jake is a phenom. He's, I think, I think, I think my brother could be the president of the United States.

• 35:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Get out of here.

• 35:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think he, I think-

• 35:11Patrick Bet-David?

  You saw, President Trump said that the other day.

• 35:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think, I really think he could. Um, which is just insane to say, but Trump did it. There's no reason my brother can't do it. Um, and I, I think, I think he could, I think he could do it. Uh, and then maybe I'll do, I'll do it after. 16 years of Paul's, who wants it? Uh, we won't let you down. We won't let you down.

• 35:32Patrick Bet-David?

  He's already getting the vote 20 years before.

• 35:36Speaker 00

  But uh I've found that I can, I can see about three years out pretty well. After that, the world's changing so fast, man. Especially now. Things are moving faster than ever. It's harder for me to see, I think, more than three years um in the future. I can write stuff down, but things happen and uh I actually pride myself on the ability to adapt and pivot a little more, which is, which is what I've gotten good at. But I, I have a, I have a, maybe like a short-term, three-year vision. And then after that, shit, I don't know what's gonna happen. But I'll tell you what, something's gonna happen.

• 36:20Speaker 00

  Something's gonna happen, that's for sure.

• 36:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Was WWE intentional? I don't watch WWE, but I watch you.

• 36:29Speaker 00

  Thanks.

• 36:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude, you are ridiculous.

• 36:31Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 36:32Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not trying to make you feel bad. I literally, when I watch some of the stuff you do, I'm like, "How the hell is he doing?" All these years, nobody knew you could do these flips from the back. You fall on your back. You're thinking this guy's gonna hurt himself and you did with your triceps.

• 36:42Speaker 00

  I did hurt myself.

• 36:43Patrick Bet-David?

  But, yeah, you did hurt yourself.

• 36:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:45Patrick Bet-David?

  It's WWE, was WWE a part of the plan? You're like, "I'm just gonna go do it."

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• 37:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, to Pat's point, I'm incredible. I really am.

• 37:35Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm the best.

• 37:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:37Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, there's two patterns. I'm the best there's ever been.

• 37:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's true. I am. I am the best that has ever been.

• 37:45Speaker 00

  And it's, it's hard because when you're as blessed as I am in the WWE, it's like, how, how, how do you stay this humble?

• 37:55Speaker 00

  Everyone says, they say, Logan,

• 37:59Speaker 00

  you know, you're so, you're so humble. I'm the most humble person that I know.

• 38:04Speaker 00

  And that's been something that I struggle with, staying humble, being as good as I am. To answer your question, nah, that was a bit of an accident. I took an opportunity. How about this? Say yes more, do more stuff, discover what life is and what you like, and perhaps you'll find a hidden talent in there. I was 27 years old when I went, oh my God, the WWE is perfect for me. This is the perfect medium for me to paint my picture. This, this is what I'm saying. I'm an artist. The canvas changes. All, all professional wrestlers are, are artists. It's, it's, it's very, very high stakes performance art that is incredibly physical with no safety net. And I love everything about it.

• 38:47Speaker 00

  And it's the hardest thing I've ever done. I, I, I've said this before, people won't ever understand the 360 degree machine and the nature of professional wrestling and the artistry that it demands. It's, it's grueling and it's really difficult, but man, there's showmanship, there's storytelling, there's physicality, there's character work. It, it's,

• 39:15Speaker 00

  it's the most fulfilling and most difficult thing I've ever done. But I discovered it at 27 years old because I said yes to the question of like, hey, do you want to do WrestleMania with the WWE? Sure, that sounds fun. And then after I did my first match, I went backstage and I watched myself on, you know, my screen like I've been doing for 20 years and I went, what the fuck? I look like a wrestler. This is, you know, I might beat some meat on this bone. So it took me 27 years to find the thing that I think I was honestly born to do. I think I was, I think I was born to be a professional wrestler.

• 39:53Patrick Bet-David?

  And you were a wrestler before in high school.

• 39:55Speaker 00

  Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying, Pat. I was, I was, I wrestled like my whole life. And then, and then also like did stunts my whole life and was being a, a jackass on camera my whole life. I remember, I remember, uh, my brother and I were making a video. I was trying to convince him to

• 40:13Speaker 00

  get on a tandem bicycle with me and go off of a ramp, like a, like a very high ramp, like a four foot ramp. It, it's so stupid. And I remember he's like, nah, man, I'm not, I'm not doing that. We're not, we're not crash dummies. Or like, we're not stunt doubles. And I remember like thinking in my head like, I, I think I am.

• 40:37Speaker 00

  I think I am. I love this shit.

• 40:41Speaker 00

  So I convinced his friend John to do it with me and then I broke my wrist.

• 40:46Patrick Bet-David?

  True story.

• 40:47Speaker 00

  True story, yeah. But I love stunts. I love, like, it's, it's, it's, it's everything I love to do. And it's so obvious, like the WWE, like obviously I'm gonna love wrestling, stunts, showmanship, camera work, like duh, but like, I don't know. It took me 27 years.

• 41:03Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and in your mind, when you nego, I think you're the first person that they put Prime in the actual.

• 41:10Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 41:10Patrick Bet-David?

  So how do you nego, that, that's a very difficult thing to negotiate. So they've never done it and they choose to, the first brand they do is Prime Drink.

• 41:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's interesting.

• 41:18Patrick Bet-David?

  How did you negotiate that?

• 41:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, so there's, there's, uh, so the WWE canvas, for the longest time, Vince McMahon did not want anything on the canvas. New leadership TKO, we're trying to make some money. And so they floated the idea around of having, um, sponsors on the canvas, like the UFC does. Ultimately, it's not going to take away from the product. It's just going to earn the short, the company revenue. Yeah, like, I, I think maybe Vince's vision of like a pure, empty mat was noble, but at the end of the day, this is a business trying to turn a profit. And so at first it was, I think it was, I think it was pitched, but there was a, there's a bit of a logistics thing in that the paint, that they paint the, the, the, um, logo with is a little slippery. And so when people start sweating on it, you start to slip. And so there was like a little back and forth about like

• 42:05Speaker 00

  actually, logistically, how this was going to work. But, uh, I'll just say it right now, in my eyes, if I was a wrestler in the WWE who is performing at a very high level and delivering time and time and time again, and I have a podcast that was, uh, essentially bought by Fanatics and the WWE, and I'm able to get my brand's logo in the WWE,

• 42:37Speaker 00

  I'm very ingrained in this organization. They can't fire me. They can't. And, and you know, Joe Hendry would be singing songs like, can we fire Logan Ball? No. I'm everywhere. I'm everywhere. And so I was able to leverage who I was outside of the ring and the brands I was building inside the ring with my character in the WWE. Cause by the way, the fans hated, they hated that I stamped the middle of the mat with my logo that will ultimately help me sell more product, stay hydrated. But that works in the WWE because I'm a heel. I'm supposed to do stuff you don't like. And if you, if you,

• 43:21Speaker 00

  if you do stuff that people don't like well enough, they'll like you.

• 43:29Speaker 00

  It's so weird. It's so, it's so interesting. Like, man, if you guys ever come to a WWE show, maybe, maybe we'll come to Vegas. They hate me. They hate me. But as soon as I leave the arena and we're all done pretending, it's like, yo, man, we'd love to hate you, bro. Like, can I get a picture? My son loves Prime, by the way. I'm like, yeah, like,

• 43:52Speaker 00

  that's funny. Quote the thing I said earlier. That was a nice.

• 43:57Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, so monetary wise, how much you think the impact has been of that logo being in the middle to, to the sales? Can you track it?

• 44:05Speaker 00

  It's, uh, it's almost impossible to track.

• 44:11Speaker 00

  I will say this. So, so Prime is in an interesting spot right now because this was the fastest growing beverage in the world. There are a lot of people who like, say that, no. This, this, this was it. Like there's, like the data and the revenue like shows that. We got caught in an interesting scenario where since Prime was a social media brand, it's sort of like a live by the sword, die by the sword type thing. And when we first launched Prime, it was, it was cool to try Prime and give taste tests on it and everyone loves it. And it legitimately is a better for you hydration product. That's why we made it. Compare it to Gatorade, uh, will win 10 out of 10 times, uh, less sugar,

• 44:56Speaker 00

  um, low calories. It's like the, the product's phenomenal and, and the sales show that. However,

• 45:04Speaker 00

  when you are eating legitimate market share from corporate conglomerates, the forces that be may find ways to detract and hurt your brand. And, uh, our competitors found a, found a way to do that successfully. And at the same token that it was cool to like Prime, it then became cool to hate on Prime on social media. And like, it still is. Like if you shit on Prime, you're going to get views, which is unfortunate because we're offering a better for you product. Hands down, no question. It's a better, better hydration product. But we're in a position now where we have to stabilize this brand and get people to understand that we are offering something that, that is actually what we say it is and

• 45:49Speaker 00

  earn a little bit of trust back because trust was broken by negative headlines, lawsuits that have either we've, we've won or have all been dismissed. And just stuff that I don't think normal brands who are building their presence on social media have to face because it's led by two controversial figures, me, me, me and KSI.

• 46:11Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so you think as, as long as you guys are heels, that's gonna hurt the brand? Is that?

• 46:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Cause you guys went from 0 to 1.3 billion in like a couple of years. That's.

• 46:22Speaker 00

  Two years.

• 46:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Two years.

• 46:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, it's insane. Um, and then one day we wake up and, uh, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer is talking shit about Prime. And that's weird. Haven't seen him speak at a podium since then. Weird, weird that on a Sunday morning, by the way, Chuck Schumer is telling kid, our, our parents that, uh, Prime is bad for their, for their children.

• 46:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Chuck Schumer?

• 46:52Speaker 00

  Chuck Schumer, bro. Interesting. How do we think that happened? I'll let you speculate. Uh, but yeah, that's weird.

• 47:02Speaker 00

  Our competitors played a smart game and they won that round. But it's a, it's a marathon. It's not a sprint. And as long as you don't die, you have a chance to win. We chose a, we chose an incredibly hard category to infiltrate. Beverage? It's tough. It's tough. And so, uh, we have an opportunity now where, uh, we just gotta, we just gotta keep making amazing products and keep telling cool stories of the brand. And I think Prime can be a, a staple that literally defines a generation. Especially Gen Z. Gen Z loves, loves this product.

• 47:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, we see that. We see kids always talk, we go to school, we see Prime everywhere. They want to drink it. Uh, Floyd was here yesterday. Floyd Mayweather.

• 47:44Speaker 00

  I saw that. He owes me 1.5 million. Just want to make that clear.

• 47:48Patrick Bet-David?

  He owes you how much?

• 47:49Speaker 00

  1.5.

• 47:50Patrick Bet-David?

  He hasn't paid it yet?

• 47:50Speaker 00

  No, no, but I'm not the only person he hasn't paid. I think I'm low on the list.

• 47:56Speaker 00

  1.5, I'm not, that's not, I'm not exaggerating. He owes me 1.5 million.

• 47:59Patrick Bet-David?

  How are you not able to get that money from him?

• 48:02Speaker 00

  Bro, I don't know. Cause he, he took a, he took $10 million cash, sold, sold our fight, using my name and likeness. And I had 15% of the, the proceeds of any deal he did and he had, and he didn't do the, he didn't follow through and fight where he said he was going to fight with the, I think there's people in Dubai.

• 48:21Speaker 00

  Yeah. Floyd, if you're watching this, I'm ready for my cash, man. Thank you.

• 48:27Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 48:29Patrick Bet-David?

  He was here yesterday. It would have been good if both of you guys came out the same time. We would have done the interview together. That should have been entertaining. Would have been more entertaining. Although we had a good time. Maybe we can set that up. Well, and yesterday, one of the conversations he brought up is the fact that he's open to the idea of fighting Conor again and a Pacquiao fight again. If you would box and do one of these big boxing matches, you guys, who would you fight? Who would be the next one that you would?

• 48:55Speaker 00

  I think it would be Conor. And I'll tell you why. Me and Conor

• 49:00Speaker 00

  almost, I think like almost could have happened. It didn't happen because he had a couple more fights on his UFC contract. But Conor is interesting because he's such a showman.

• 49:14Speaker 00

  And he's so convincing. He can convince people that he could beat me.

• 49:19Speaker 00

  He could do, he could do it. Um, he, he, bro, he, he had people convinced that he was going to beat Max Holloway. This was his last fight. I said, no, no fucking way, bro. I threw 60K on Max Holloway. I'm the only one in the room. My friends are like, dude, it's McGregor. I'm like, you don't understand. That dude's last five years weren't like a healthy, physical time off, taking five days.

• 49:44Patrick Bet-David?

  That dude meaning Conor.

• 49:45Speaker 00

  Conor, yes. Like, bro, this is like, he was doing, he was doing, he was doing bad boy things. Um, and it caught up to him. Father time caught up to him and, and, uh, life, especially in sports, can be very honest. And, uh, Conor was not prepared. So like, yeah, if the fight came around, we're both under TKO. I'm sure it would be box office and I'm sure I would whoop his ass. But he'll, he'll, he'll convince people that there will be half this people in the room who think Conor will beat me.

• 50:11Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think you'll beat Conor if you guys fight?

• 50:13Speaker 00

  It would undoubtedly. First off, I'm like 30 to 40 pounds heavier. Second off, he's not an amazing boxer. Third off, look at the shape that he's in. Whatever shape he's in right now, hobbling around on one leg or doing a copious amount of nose drugs versus what I'm in. I'm locked in.

• 50:35Speaker 00

  I'm locked in.

• 50:38Speaker 00

  I was a tag team champion before I pulled my tricep.

• 50:43Speaker 00

  Shout out to Vision.

• 50:45Patrick Bet-David?

  So you would, you would entertain a fight against Conor?

• 50:47Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 50:48Patrick Bet-David?

  What kind?

• 50:48Speaker 00

  But it, it would, I would, I would honestly do boxing or MMA. I don't, yeah.

• 50:53Patrick Bet-David?

  You would do MMA against Conor?

• 50:54Speaker 00

  Bro, I'm a wrestler and I, and I did like four years of Jiu Jitsu in high school.

• 50:59Speaker 03

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• 52:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Who was, who was, was it Bradley Martin that came up and you guys went away? And then nobody saw what happened with the fight. Then you came out. It was very obvious based on body language.

• 52:52Speaker 00

  We did a marketing stunt. Yeah.

• 52:54Patrick Bet-David?

  So nothing happened?

• 52:55Speaker 00

  No, me and Bradley Martin fought.

• 52:57Patrick Bet-David?

  You actually did fight?

• 52:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, I pulled up to Bradley Martin's gym. We had a real fistfight.

• 53:00Patrick Bet-David?

  No cameras?

• 53:01Speaker 00

  No cameras. Everyone talked about it. No cameras? This is insane. How is it like, this wasn't filmed? We agreed no cameras. Um, and then when we launched the Prime Protein Shake, I was like, this is an amazing opportunity, bodybuilder. We fought. I actually have no problems with him. In fact, I love Bradley Martin.

• 53:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Very likable guy.

• 53:18Speaker 00

  He's awesome. Yeah. And so I was like, let's, let's fucking recreate the fight and turn it into an ad. And it worked. It was, it was an amazing launch for Prime Shake.

• 53:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. So, so maybe one thing we do know is there could be a fight of Conor against, uh, against, uh, Logan.

• 53:32Speaker 00

  My ultimate goal would be to win the WWE championship and then go fight Conor as a WWE champion, whoop his ass, come back to WWE, go dude.

• 53:44Speaker 00

  And I think it's possible. TKO just got to make a couple of decisions. This, I mean, that's, that's undeniably massive. It's massive. I think Conor has one more fight on his contract. But my, my, my belief is

• 53:59Speaker 00

  who are you, who are you? He's a fucking bum. Who are you going to put him against? That people are excited about. Like, they're, they're always going to be excited because it's Conor McGregor. Or you can make another crossover super fight that will get more attention than whoever he decides to fight next. Because everyone knows that he's, he's faking it. It's funny. He's, he's really a WWE star at the moment.

• 54:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Conor?

• 54:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's doing the same thing I'm doing. But worse, way worse.

• 54:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Have, has the, do you know if WWE's ever thought about bringing him in to be a wrestler?

• 54:31Speaker 00

  I'm sure it's, I'm sure it's, I'm sure.

• 54:32Patrick Bet-David?

  That would be, that would be a massive hit.

• 54:34Speaker 00

  He'd be incredible.

• 54:35Patrick Bet-David?

  He would be incredible. Yeah.

• 54:36Speaker 00

  He'd be incredible. Yeah. I think he's, I think he's so captivating. He's, he's, I'm a, I'm a fan. He's just a bum.

• 54:46Patrick Bet-David?

  If you have any questions, start lining up because I'm going to bring Dylan here to ask a question. Then we're going to come to you guys. So Vinny, if you want to send Dylan up here, my 12-year-old son's got a question for you.

• 54:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's amazing.

• 54:55Patrick Bet-David?

  I know you met him in the back. You guys were talking. So, uh, he's, between the two of my sons, he's the one that likes to be in front of the camera. The other one likes to have the camera on others. So.

• 55:05Speaker 00

  That's awesome.

• 55:06Patrick Bet-David?

  But Dylan, Dylan is, if you're back there, Dilly, if you want to come up with a mic. Is he back there? Can we make some noise for Dylan Bedavid?

• 55:15Patrick Bet-David?

  There we go, Dilly.

• 55:17Speaker 00

  Come on.

• 55:20Patrick Bet-David?

  So you got a mic? Do we have a mic for Dylan? Are you mic'd up? Can we get a mic from back there?

• 55:24Speaker 00

  He came, he came up raw. No mic. You could just, you could scream your question.

• 55:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Right next to me. There you go. Okay, Dilly boy, go for it.

• 55:31Speaker 08

  If you and Jake fought, who would win?

• 55:33Speaker 00

  Whoa!

• 55:37Speaker 00

  What's this guy trying to do? I'm seeing him next weekend. MMA or boxing, boss?

• 55:44Speaker 00

  He's saying it's a street fight. Oh my God.

• 55:48Speaker 00

  Street fight? That's interesting.

• 55:52Speaker 00

  I would beat Jake in a street fight. I would. I think he would tell you the same thing.

• 55:58Speaker 00

  Why are you lying? Why are you lying?

• 56:02Speaker 00

  I whoop his ass. I got a ground game the kid doesn't have.

• 56:07Patrick Bet-David?

  When's the last time you guys actually fought? Like, how old were you when you guys?

• 56:10Speaker 00

  We got a, we got a certain age where we realized, uh, if we, if we fought, we would just destroy everything. And he's, he's big. He's big. So he's like six foot, 230. I'm 6'2", 230. If we fight, bro, like things are breaking.

• 56:28Speaker 00

  Last time we fought, I think it was maybe on the beach during 4th of July. We tussled around a little bit. We were drinking.

• 56:36Patrick Bet-David?

  This is recently?

• 56:37Speaker 00

  No, no, no. No, this was a while ago. We're adults now. I'm 31, bro.

• 56:44Speaker 00

  But yeah, I beat his ass, bro.

• 56:50Speaker 08

  Thank you so much.

• 56:51Speaker 00

  Thank you, bro. Nice to meet you.

• 56:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Thank you. Dilly, you can stay here, buddy. Okay. Right here, I'm going to come to you first. Yes, sir. What is on your mind?

• 56:59Speaker 08

  Hello, Logan. Hello, PPD. Thanks for the great event. Um, I wanted to ask you that if you were 15 years old in this day of age and like you were back to where you're 15, what's the first thing you would do? And how would you make sure or try to get back to the place that you are right now?

• 57:19Speaker 00

  How old are you?

• 57:21Speaker 08

  15.

• 57:23Speaker 00

  Great question. Uh, let's see.

• 57:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 57:32Speaker 00

  First things first, I think you have to understand the landscape. You're a fifteen-year-old, living in a world that is prominent with AI and content creation and the advancement of technology in general. And if you're able to find a way for you to see where you fit in that world, based on something you like doing, I think you're gonna increase your chances of succeeding. There are certain occupations and things you can do and careers you can pick that will yield a bit more financial success, if that's important to you. For some people, it's not.

• 58:15Speaker 00

  But I think if I was fifteen in today's day and age, following my own advice, the first thing I would do was figure out how my love for content creation fits in an incredibly oversaturated environment. It's hard. Becoming a content creator is going to be and is very difficult, because the people that are succeeding, right now, are very good. I had this, I had this prediction about five years ago, when I saw where social media was headed, and there was some study that like, they surveyed kids his age, and like, eighty percent of them wanted to be YouTubers, which was insane, but you know, you have more people entering an industry, then the cream will rise to the top, i.e. I show speed.

• 59:00Speaker 00

  Kids of Phenom, i.e. Kai Sana, Phenom, streamers, like naturally, perfectly fit showmen exist. And so, where do you fit in that world, and how can you make content that's, that's different? I would, at your age, try a lot, and get really good at the things that you naturally like, and see where it fits in today's day and age.

• 59:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Fantastic feedback. Make some noise. Max.

• 59:28Speaker 09

  Logan, thank you for being us, with us together here today, man. We appreciate you. Valuable insight. My question is about how you process issues. Patrick has educated us all about signal versus noise, inside of your life and your business. And you have so many opportunities that present themselves to you, how do you decide which ones make sense, that are aligned with your brand, that you wanna tie your identity of your brand to, and form alliance with? How do you process what makes sense, signal versus noise?

• 59:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. So, you'll get better at discerning the two, the older you get, and the more you do. I do believe you should say yes to things, and try things, and then you'll be able to kinda funnel out the stuff that you don't like, and the stuff you do like. I moved to LA, thinking I was gonna be an actor, like, fully thought I was gonna be an actor, and tried very hard, very hard. Acting classes, auditions, like, this was, this was what, why, it's literally why I moved to Los Angeles. I was met with the harsh reality that I can't fucking act. And I'm not saying that, I can't, I cannot, I'm, I am not an actor. And I had to look myself in the mirror, go, damn, like, that sucks, I just put like, five years into this.

• 1:00:40Speaker 09

  Oh, you were in Baywatch? That's right.

• 1:00:42Speaker 00

  Bro, I was in Baywatch. My scene was cut, though, this motherfucker.

• 1:00:48Speaker 00

  It was cut. It's funny, the producer told me as well, on, on, on set, he's like, dude, the great thing about this scene is, it can't be cut, it's a plot point. I'm like, sick, cut. Probably because of me, I'm not kidding, I can't, I can't act. So you'll get better at it. So try stuff, and then eventually you realize that the power of no is truly a powerful thing. Do things that make sense to you, do things that fulfill you, and if you can, try to make some money along the way.

• 1:01:15Speaker 09

  I like that. Quick follow-up, is the beef with Brady real?

• 1:01:18Speaker 00

  Bro.

• 1:01:19Speaker 09

  Come on.

• 1:01:20Speaker 00

  Can I keep it real?

• 1:01:21Speaker 09

  Keep it real.

• 1:01:22Speaker 00

  Fuck Tom Brady.

• 1:01:23Speaker 09

  Come on, man. Brady's the GOAT, man.

• 1:01:26Speaker 00

  Why he throw that ball at me, then? What, why he throw that ball at me?

• 1:01:30Speaker 09

  Is all attention, good attention? Yes or no?

• 1:01:33Speaker 00

  No. No.

• 1:01:35Speaker 09

  You're in the business of entertainment, getting eyeballs on you, right? Turning them into clients, people you can help with your brand.

• 1:01:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:42Speaker 09

  How is Brady not the man? Brady's the GOAT.

• 1:01:45Speaker 00

  Hold up, hold up. I don't disagree that he's the GOAT, but he could still be a giant douchebag.

• 1:01:52Speaker 09

  Can you share a story or an example?

• 1:01:55Speaker 00

  About, about Tom Brady?

• 1:01:56Speaker 09

  Yes, please.

• 1:01:57Speaker 00

  Bro, he walks around backstage like he's the king, and, yes, we all know he's the GOAT, but show a little humility. And also, be a man of your word. You're gonna talk shit to me about a, a flag football game, and degrade me, and what I stand for, and then not even show up and get beat by me? And then when you're mad about it, you're a sore loser? Playing ping pong with him, spiking the ping pong ball at me, throwing the, throwing the football at me? For what reason, bro? I used to, I admire what he's done, and I used to like him on the field, but when I met him in person, I had to cut it.

• 1:02:29Speaker 09

  That makes sense. I appreciate you sharing that, being honest. How much of it is, is real? Because sometimes, as a viewer, we think that that's staged. Him slapping you, at Fanatics, right? But it's real, is what you're saying right now.

• 1:02:43Speaker 00

  Uh, let me make one thing clear. If you watch the footage in slow motion, I actually blocked the slap.

• 1:02:51Speaker 09

  True that.

• 1:02:53Speaker 00

  I blocked the slap, and that's because Tom Brady can't move like he used to. Which I think is what we saw on that field, ultimately, when I beat him. Single-handedly, basically.

• 1:03:06Speaker 09

  I appreciate you, brother.

• 1:03:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Thank you, Max. Great feedback, good question. All right, let's go right over there. Go for it. Yes, Dimitri.

• 1:03:14Speaker 10

  My question is for both of you, Patrick and Logan. As a YouTuber, I'm dealing with something for the first time in eight years. Someone's questioning my integrity. I know you've been attacked by CoffeeZilla, those people. My question is, when people publicly question your integrity, when do you opt in to answer, legal action, or ignore? And have you ever made the wrong choice?

• 1:03:45Speaker 00

  That's a phenomenal question.

• 1:03:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Good question. Go for it.

• 1:03:49Speaker 00

  That's a really good question. Man, there's a lot of nuance to this answer. Because some things do deserve a response, some things deserve to be ignored, and then, when the only route, in my experience, to clear something up, is legal action, that can also be used effectively. You can't hide anything in court, they're gonna, they're gonna find the truth. And if, if you're a person who believe that truth matters, and there's defamatory statements or things that are said, that can be objectively disproven in a legal setting, and your, and

• 1:04:30Speaker 00

  your brand has been harmed in a, in a significant way, unfortunately, that may be the route to take. It's gonna take a long time, it's gonna be very expensive, and it sucks, but I think truth is important, and to be honest with you, I use the legal system a lot, a lot, because, you know, to your point.

• 1:04:50Patrick Bet-David?

  The other way around, from you to others who are.

• 1:04:52Speaker 00

  From, from, from me, pursuing legal action. Yeah, bro, like, you wanna say something untrue about my brand, because of a false narrative you heard online? Cool. You can do that, but if it's untrue and you don't come with facts, I'm gonna throttle you in court.

• 1:05:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you did something with Prime. Who was it that you, you guys went, who, was it Alex Spiro? That was, I don't know who was representing, you guys went after somebody that was doing something to you.

• 1:05:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, for sure. We, I mean, I mean, I mean, Ryan Garcia went on a tirade.

• 1:05:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, that's the one.

• 1:05:22Speaker 00

  You went on a tir, an anti-Prime tirade, calling it poison, calling it all this nonsense, and so like, bro, it's just, you can't, you can't, you can't say stuff that's not true. And funny enough, we settled, we settled with Ryan, and I actually have him on the podcast later today.

• 1:05:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop it. Are you kidding? That's so funny.

• 1:05:41Speaker 00

  I'm flying to LA.

• 1:05:42Patrick Bet-David?

  That is so great.

• 1:05:43Speaker 00

  Flying to LA.

• 1:05:44Patrick Bet-David?

  What a great story.

• 1:05:45Speaker 00

  To speak with Ryan since that.

• 1:05:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Dimitri, I would tell you, I'll be very brief of mine, and I'm gonna go to two others before we wrap up. If a person's an honest player, I'll talk to you. So CoffeeZilla, Stephen, I've been on him twice, that we've talked, and I tell him, if you're entertaining, and you're trying to like, exaggerate, I'm not gonna come back on, but if it's honest conversation, we'll have it. And then there's some guys that they're only dedicated to making negative videos about you. There's a guy that ninety percent of his videos are about me, negative. The bigger you get, you're gonna have a lot more of those guys. You can go right now, type in, Mr. Beast is a this, there's videos with eighty-eight million views. It's never gonna go away, just so you know that.

• 1:06:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like Whack-a-Mole.

• 1:06:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:23Speaker 00

  It's a bit like Whack-a-Mole.

• 1:06:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, let's do a couple other ones here. Thank you for that. Should we go there? I'll come to you here. Section fourteen thirteen.

• 1:06:31Speaker 09

  I just wanna start by saying thank you, for putting this together, Patrick. There's a lot of great knowledge to be had. Logan, my question for you is that you spoke about your love for good ideas, and I think that's something we can all relate to in here, but the biggest separator from that is taking the idea.

• 1:06:51Speaker 00

  Execution.

• 1:06:52Speaker 09

  And executing on it. Right, exactly. So, what would you say is the next step in the pipeline, from those ramblings on your phone, to actually getting something out there to, you know, profit off of it?

• 1:07:04Speaker 00

  I mean, I mean, I mean, bro, the, the first thing is, like, just do it, just go and, just start, do something, do anything. Forward, forward progress, momentum, get it going, you're gonna figure it out.

• 1:07:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Awesome. Simple, I love it, right here. Yes, ma'am.

• 1:07:20Speaker 11

  Hi. My name is Alicia, this has been a great event, very beneficial, so thank you.

• 1:07:26Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:07:27Speaker 11

  My question might be a little controversial. I don't know much about you, until today. I'm from Patrick's generation, and I'm...

• 1:07:40Patrick Bet-David?

  She just said we're older.

• 1:07:41Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no, no. No, no.

• 1:07:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, please continue, go for it.

• 1:07:47Speaker 11

  So, I'm Puerto Rican, and I do know that you live in Puerto Rico.

• 1:07:53Speaker 00

  Yep, yep.

• 1:07:54Speaker 11

  So I just wanna know what you think of the governor, currently.

• 1:07:57Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 1:07:58Speaker 11

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• 1:08:02Speaker 00

  What a question. Great question. I love that you're Puerto Rican.

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• 1:09:35Speaker 00

  If you think that's controversial, I gotta be honest, Alicia, you don't know controversy.

• 1:09:40Speaker 00

  I've been through some shit. Unfortunately, I can't answer your question about the governor. Not because I can't, or like my PR team is telling me. I just, I don't know enough. I just, I don't. I apologize. As far as the future of Puerto Rico, I am obsessed with the island of Puerto Rico. I think it is one of the most beautiful places on the planet with some of the most beautiful people on the planet. The amount of culture and art, musicians and taste that comes out of such a small island that as it stands is a territory of the United States is astounding. The fact that I get to call it home is such a privilege. I'm so grateful. I don't know what the future of Puerto Rico looks like, but I can tell you this much.

• 1:10:22Speaker 00

  When the time comes, I want to contribute and give back to Puerto Rico in a meaningful and impactful way. Along with my brother, we've tried and have done some stuff on the island thus far between Jake's Association Boxing Bullies and putting on Amanda Serrano and getting the pay that this amazing Puerto Rican fighter deserves. But I'll tell you this much. If Jake and I become President of the United States and the Puerto Ricans want it, we're making Puerto Rico a state. Yeah. Number 51. We'll take a vote. We'll take a vote. We'll take a vote if the Puerto Ricans want it. We're gonna fight for you.

• 1:11:02Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, you said something. You said Jake is very different man. He's this, he's that, he's a Republican. You had Trump on your podcast.

• 1:11:10Speaker 00

  Doesn't make, doesn't make me a Republican.

• 1:11:12Patrick Bet-David?

  So you're more of an independent. Would you say you're more like in the center?

• 1:11:15Speaker 00

  At the moment, I'm a Republican.

• 1:11:16Patrick Bet-David?

  At the moment, you're a Republican.

• 1:11:19Speaker 00

  I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a bit centrist. I think, I think, I think the Democrats made some crazy, crazy decisions that like, like hurt people that felt like they could identify with the party. And, and by the way, this shit's all a pendulum. It's all swinging. We're, we're very right, very Republican at the moment. It seems the world is leaning that way. It's gonna go back and I just, I just try to do things and live by way of common sense. It's crazy, crazy ideology.

• 1:11:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Very extreme.

• 1:11:51Speaker 00

  Super extreme.

• 1:11:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's do the last one here and we're done. Go for it.

• 1:11:54Speaker 12

  What's up Jake, Nick Long?

• 1:11:55Speaker 00

  Damn, bro, get him out of here, bro. I'm not Jake.

• 1:12:00Speaker 12

  As they say Jake, I meant Logan, sorry man.

• 1:12:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Didn't he really call you Jake? You called him Jake?

• 1:12:05Speaker 00

  That's crazy.

• 1:12:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that what you're gonna do with the last one?

• 1:12:09Speaker 12

  And that's totally, it's totally gonna negate what I was gonna say because it was a statement of gratitude, man. I saw you WrestleMania 42 here in Las Vegas with my son. I was a high school wrestler, NCAA wrestler.

• 1:12:22Speaker 00

  Sick.

• 1:12:22Speaker 12

  Hulk Hogan was my hero. And it was so cool, man. Like as a, the boy in me that's still alive to watch my son watch you.

• 1:12:30Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 1:12:31Speaker 12

  The next generation.

• 1:12:32Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:12:33Speaker 12

  That was something I shared with my father. My father took me to wrestle, dude. It brought me to tears, bro.

• 1:12:39Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 1:12:39Speaker 12

  And the fact that you're carrying that torch forward and to see my son look at you the way I looked at Hulk Hogan melted my heart.

• 1:12:46Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 1:12:47Speaker 12

  So thank you for that.

• 1:12:49Patrick Bet-David?

  What a cool one to finish on.

• 1:12:51Speaker 00

  Thank you for sharing that.

• 1:12:52Speaker 12

  And hopefully that makes up for calling you the wrong name.

• 1:12:55Speaker 00

  It does.

• 1:12:56Speaker 12

  Because it seriously was like a deep moment of gratitude and reflection. So my question for you is we help entrepreneurs become exit pioneers. We believe every entrepreneur should have an exit strategy.

• 1:13:10Speaker 00

  Amazing.

• 1:13:11Speaker 12

  Begin with the end in mind. When you started Prime, did you guys intentionally think about building real enterprise value and having an exit strategy?

• 1:13:20Speaker 00

  Nope. Massive, massive, massive mistake. Massive mistake. Not a decision that I supported or wanted, and I don't think KSI wanted it either. We had opportunities to exit or, or

• 1:13:40Speaker 00

  get partners who would buy into the company and potentially could have had a huge cash out. Our partners didn't want it. Sucks. We were like, yeah, we trust you guys. And we paid the price for it. So to your point, having an exit strategy in mind, having a goal of what you want to do and having a way to make sure that your hard work is eventually going to pay off is really important. And man, don't be afraid to take chips off the table. Don't be afraid to take chips off the table.

• 1:14:09Speaker 12

  How much do you think that potentially cost you by not having an exit?

• 1:14:13Speaker 00

  I'm, I'm, I'm not exaggerating at all. Minimum $100 million.

• 1:14:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Remember, if I'm not mistaken, you own 20% of Prime. So that's KSI.

• 1:14:22Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 1:14:29Speaker 00

  That's proprietary information.

• 1:14:32Patrick Bet-David?

  He didn't tell me this. This is not what you told me. This is what our good research team tells me.

• 1:14:38Speaker 00

  Just Google it, Pat.

• 1:14:40Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, 20 points is a real number. Just a $1.3 billion company, zero to 1.3 in two years, 20 points.

• 1:14:48Speaker 00

  So, so, so for us with Prime specifically, like if PepsiCo, for example, were to acquire us at the time and we looked at it, it would, it would be borderline like antitrust monopoly type situation. So they couldn't. And it grew so fast that a lot of these big conglomerates weren't sure what's gonna happen with the company, which is a totally fair concern. You gotta make sure to stabilize and prove that your, the numbers are legit. But still, there's private equity that would have bought in half, half a billion dollars.

• 1:15:17Speaker 12

  Thousand, thousand percent.

• 1:15:18Speaker 00

  Bro, like easy. It didn't happen. But you know what? This is gonna be a fun challenge. It's gonna be a fun challenge to get back to 1.2 billion and get Prime back on the right track.

• 1:15:30Speaker 12

  All right.

• 1:15:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Great question.

• 1:15:31Speaker 12

  Get an exit strategy.

• 1:15:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Great question. All right, gang.

• 1:15:33Speaker 00

  Maybe you can help me.

• 1:15:34Speaker 12

  I can't help you. Look me up.

• 1:15:37Speaker 00

  I got you.

• 1:15:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Make some noise, Logan Paul.

• 1:15:40Speaker 00

  Thanks, guys. Thank you so much.

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• 1:15:49Speaker 00

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