Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act

When you care about Ukraine’s borders more than your own, things tend to fall apart. Texas AG Ken Paxton on how John Cornyn and other negligent buffoons allowed drug cartels to take over the state. (00:00) Donald Trump vs. The Mexican Drug Cartels (3:40) How George Soros Controls Our Politicians (11:04) Why Soros, Obama, and Establishment Washington Wants to Destroy the US (17:49) Ken Paxton's Legal War to Save the Border Wall (19:54) John Cornyn Is a Puppet of the Left (30:02) Why Paxton Is Blacklisted From Fox News Paid partnerships with: PureTalk: Get an iPhone 14 or Samsung Galaxy for $0 https://PureTalk.com/Tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:14Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you for coming on, Mr. Attorney General.

• 0:17Speaker 04

  Glad to be here.

• 0:17Tucker Carlson?

  So the most pressing problem, I think it's fair to say as an outsider, in Texas is immigration. It's totally changed your state in every way.

• 0:26Tucker Carlson?

  Do you expect that the new administration and the executive orders in the first couple of days are going to have a material effect, a noticeable effect?

• 0:33Speaker 04

  I know they are, just because I saw what happened four years ago, or eight years ago when Trump came into office. I mean, I went through, I've been in politics since Bush was in office, and I've seen how Republicans and Democrats have dealt with immigration. They have not dealt with it effectively because they have not enforced federal law. Trump was the first president to use the force of our federal laws, which are, which are good and designed to protect us, whether it was remain in Mexico, or whether it was Title 42, or it was stopping catch and release, basic common sense things like building a wall. Those things work. They just absolutely work. And just what he's done in the first couple of days is, is, is significant in changing where Biden was taking us.

• 1:31Tucker Carlson?

  So one of the things you pointed out off camera was his executive order designating the drug cartels as terror organizations is significant?

• 1:38Speaker 04

  Yes, we as states don't have much authority to stop illegal immigration, but the federal government has that authority. And by, by designating these, these cartels as terrorist organization, now the military, our military force can be used to against them, rather than just using, you know, Border Patrol and, and leaving the states subject to the cartel's, you know, crimes.

• 1:59Tucker Carlson?

  You do wonder about the about the power of the drug cartels. They've, you know, a lot of the weapons we have sent to Ukraine have been sold by the Ukrainian military onto the black market. That's a fact. A lot, up to half. And a lot of them have been purchased by the drug cartels. You see in Mexico pitched battles, military engagements between the cartels and the Mexican military, where they're very, you know, they're well armed. Are you worried about that happening in Texas?

• 2:26Speaker 04

  Absolutely. I think the Biden administration has indirectly funded the cartels. They have encouraged, by by saying no deportations on day one of his administration, they've encouraged illegal immigration and there's that's a profit center for the for the cartels. They make, you know, eight to $12,000 a person. We have, if you just do the numbers on 14 million, that's a lot of money. They're making billions every month and then they can go and use that money to buy weapons from Ukraine, which we're funding, we're sending that over free. So indirectly, they're part of the whole process, one, allowing the cartels to have access to our country and allowing them to make a profit and then to use that money to arm themselves in a significant way.

• 3:02Tucker Carlson?

  I was just.

• 3:04Speaker 04

  That's our government.

• 3:05Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it's horrifying. I mean, because, you know, some of the weapons are surface to air weapons. So you wonder like, what's the threat to commercial air travel? You could see things kind of starting to fall apart. Is there like widespread acknowledgement of this in Texas that we could have a serious problem with these cartels?

• 3:22Speaker 04

  I think even just common people are aware of that, just because of the influx and the just increased crime associated with just everyday crime that they that people see as it relates to the cartels moving into our state. And that network that they built is not just in Texas, they have building that network all over the country and they're not going to, they're not going to want to give it up. They're making too much money on drugs, sex trafficking, other crimes and the importation of people.

• 3:50Tucker Carlson?

  Every big construction site in this country has prostitution run by the cartels, often of children. I don't see anyone doing anything about it. And it makes you wonder, like, Mexico is completely, utterly corrupt because of cartel money, politicians, judges, journalists, all on the payroll. You see this in other Latin American countries. I mean, our politicians are not that expensive. Like, you could do that in a state like Texas, right? Or California?

• 4:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, here's one of the biggest problems we have. We have it in Texas. We have it in other parts of the country. George Soros has figured this out. He's gone in and elected DAs in Democratic counties. Austin, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio. So 70% of our population controlled by Soros DAs. He went in and knocked off Democratic DAs because we can't get elected Republicans in those areas. So he went in and knocked off DAs who were actually prosecuting and replaced them with Soros DAs. Now, our legislature could fix that. They haven't. They could come in and say, "AG, you have concurrent jurisdiction to go after these crimes." But because they haven't done that, crime is proliferating in all of our cities. Financial crimes, other types of crimes, because they will not prosecute crimes. And so the cartels have an open invitation. So do other cartels from other countries.

• 5:02Speaker 04

  So if you go out to our financial crime unit in Tyler, they will tell you about all these crime groups coming in from other countries because they know they can get away with it. And our legislature so far has not fixed that.

• 5:15Tucker Carlson?

  Why? Then the question of motive arises. Like, why wouldn't you want to stop crime in your state?

• 5:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a very good question. I find that DAs have more power in Texas than any elected official I've ever seen because they're not accountable to anybody. If they commit a crime, no one can prosecute them. If it's a state crime, they'd have to prosecute themselves. And they can allow any crimes in their area. And they can go after, in Texas, it is so easy to get an indictment. You just walk in, you can tell the grand jury anything you want to, you can lie. Once you have the indictment, you've got it. There's no getting out of it. And so I think a lot of our politicians are afraid of their DAs, even if they're liberal Democrats. But if we don't get control of this in our state, in other states, and give somebody like the Attorney General, "Well, I'm not going to be there forever," give that authority so that there's another way to prosecute when the Soros DAs... And Soros has figured it out, but the Republicans have not.

• 6:05Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, it's so obvious, just in your, you know, 45 second explanation, it, you know, makes sense. Um, so how, is it that they haven't figured it out, or do they have a higher loyalty?

• 6:15Speaker 04

  They're afraid of the DAs. They're afraid, the DAs come in and lobby, and everybody's afraid of their own DA, that they'll get indicted if they do it. Uh, there's just that power, because to get an indictment in Texas, you don't have to have, there's no recording of it. It's only one side of the story. You can, and if, if they lie, and they get the indictment, there's no remedy. There's no consequence to the DA, and there's no remedy for the victim of that lie. You are going to trial. You can even, if somehow you could find out what happened in that secret grand jury proceeding, which I have before, it doesn't matter. You can go to judge and say, they lied. You still are indicted, and you're still at risk of going to prison.

• 6:52Tucker Carlson?

  You have to tell your kids you've been indicted.

• 6:54Speaker 04

  And you might be in prison. They, you might be in front of a jury that, that doesn't know the truth, and you go to jail, or you're in a, you know, Democratic county, you might go to jail on something that they made up.

• 7:05Tucker Carlson?

  So you, you really think, I mean, I'm sorry to be so naive, but I grew up in this country, and we didn't have things like this, that I was aware of in 1985. But, um, you think that members of the Texas Legislature are afraid they'll be indicted if they push back against the DAs?

• 7:20Speaker 04

  I think there is a fear, and there is this lobby of it. These DAs have so much power. Otherwise, why would they allow Soros to control the major cities? And the, it's obvious that they're not prosecuting crimes. They won't even prosecute shoplifting for, like, if you, you have free ride. If you wanna, as long as you take $750 a day in Dallas County, or whatever the number is, and you go to different stores, you can do that every day. And you will, you, the DA there said, we will not prosecute you.

• 7:48Tucker Carlson?

  But why would you want that unless you were trying to destroy a civilization?

• 7:52Speaker 04

  Soros, that's exactly what he wants to do. So-

• 7:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, there's no political goal here.

• 7:57Speaker 04

  It's just destabilization.

• 7:59Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 7:59Speaker 04

  And it's so easy. It is literally so easy to do that. And he also, I believe, got control of our Court of Criminal Appeals, which is our highest court. We have a bifurcated system in Texas. We have the Texas Supreme Court, that, that's the final appeal on civil, and the Court of Criminal Appeals. They were and suddenly they strike down a law that allowed me to that directed me to prosecute voter fraud. And they took it away just by saying, oh, it's unconstitutional because you're in the executive branch and separation of power says you can't be in court. How insane is that? So we I've had to go run three. I'm trying to take that court back. But we right now I can't even prosecute voter fraud, which opens us up to unfair elections in Texas, which we which I was prosecuting plenty of voter fraud before that happened.

• 8:42Tucker Carlson?

  So who who's supposed to prosecute voter fraud?

• 8:45Speaker 04

  The Soros DAs.

• 8:48Tucker Carlson?

  So.

• 8:49Speaker 04

  That's where we're at in Texas. So that's why I ran. This is a nine member court, six year terms. They waited till two days after the filing deadline to announce their decision. This is a 1951 statute that has thousands of cases of precedent. And they came up with this insane idea that it was unconstitutional for the attorney general to be in court because I'm in the executive branch. If that's true, every AG in the country is violating the Constitution. So that was the rationale. I had to wait two years. I recruited three people to take out the three people that were up. So we've replaced three. We've got one good one on there. But we're still down five, four. So until we fix those things in Texas, we're at risk.

• 9:26Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, big time. Oh, big time. So do you think that the Soros DAs have hesitated to go after the drug cartels?

• 9:36Speaker 04

  They don't. They don't go after crime in general. They don't work. They're you do political crimes. But they generally are not there. They don't do their jobs. They don't prosecute.

• 9:48Tucker Carlson?

  Even when people get killed?

• 9:50Speaker 04

  Hit and miss. Hit and miss. But they're not there. The message from Soros is let as much crime go as possible.

• 9:58Tucker Carlson?

  It's amazing that a non-US citizen who hates the United States hates the West could have that much power in our country.

• 10:05Speaker 04

  It's just his money. It doesn't take very much. It doesn't to elect a DA in a Travis County, which is Austin. You're in a Democratic primary. It doesn't take that many votes. You've got, I was working with a DA there who was a Democrat. I didn't agree with her on everything, but she was doing her job. They spend, he spends a little bit of money, takes her out, and suddenly now I've got a DA who won't prosecute anything. Same in Bear County, which is San Antonio. I worked with a DA a lot in Bear County, a guy named Nicola Hood. His brother is now converted to Republican. He's a state rep. He was awesome to work with and-

• 10:35Tucker Carlson?

  And he was a Democrat?

• 10:36Speaker 04

  He was Democrat. He did his job. Guess what? Soros replaced him with money. So that's what, it doesn't take him that much money and controls our, our, our whole situation with crime and controls our judicial system, at least on the criminal side, and we're sitting here letting it happen in Texas and other states.

• 10:53Tucker Carlson?

  What did you think when Joe Biden gave George Soros the Presidential Medal of Freedom?

• 10:57Speaker 04

  Disgusting. I mean, the guy's done more to, I mean, as, as far as I know, there are not many people in the world that have done more harm to our country, and he's being applauded by Joe Biden. It's not surprising because Joe Biden has the same motivations.

• 11:09Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 11:10Speaker 04

  I mean, what is, what did Joe Biden do that was good? Can you name it? I can't-

• 11:14Tucker Carlson?

  No, they worked from day one to destroy what future, what past generations had built, this amazing country.

• 11:19Speaker 04

  And it had to be on purpose. And the reason I say that is because you, you would think that randomly he could, he would have done something good if he weren't, if it weren't purposeful. He would have had something economically, internationally, the board, something would have been right, right? Just randomly. There's no-

• 11:34Tucker Carlson?

  The law of averages suggests a victory once in a while.

• 11:37Speaker 04

  The bell curve tells you, he would have had something good. He didn't have anything good. It was all on the other end of the curve, the downside of the curve, which was harm to Americans. That, that cannot be accidental.

• 11:46Tucker Carlson?

  And, and to individual Americans, I think that's absolutely right. But what, again, I just, I'm so fixated on this. Why would you want to do that?

• 11:54Speaker 04

  I truly believe that this, and this started, I think, with President Obama, first president I believe that didn't love America, that really thought we were a bad country, that thought we were racist and that we deserved to be taken down to another level. And I think they operate under this idea that we're a bad country. There were bad people and that we, we don't deserve this. And they fundamentally don't believe in what was created here. I truly believe that.

• 12:17Tucker Carlson?

  And they want to destroy it, take it down, dismail it.

• 12:19Speaker 04

  Because they think it's bad. They think we're bad.

• 12:22Tucker Carlson?

  I don't see another explanation. There's hate behind it. There's no doubt about it. I mean, how could you, how could you wind up with it with the outcome with people dying of drug ODs on the street and stores closing because of stealing and, you know, kids cutting their own genitals off, like, you would have to hate someone to do that.

• 12:38Speaker 04

  Do you remember the contempt that Biden, not Biden, Obama said, they cling to their religion and their, their guns and their, their God. There is contempt for that, what the founders put in place, a bunch of white racists who had slaves. And so that, that permeates his view of America. And yet, that's not, there's no excuse for slavery. We messed up in that. We had, we fixed it. We were moving in the right direction. But his view is, we're broken because of that. And therefore, we, we deserve to be dismantled because we don't.

• 13:08Tucker Carlson?

  It's not about that. I mean, there are countries where slavery is still practiced in certain countries, but there were like, critical US allies that had slavery until the 1970s. And no one ever, 1970s, and no one ever mentions that, or holds them responsible. Obama has no problem taking money for speeches in those countries.

• 13:27Speaker 04

  That's why it doesn't make sense. It's slavery has been around in the world forever. And it's not,

• 13:31Tucker Carlson?

  and it's awful.

• 13:31Speaker 04

  It is awful.

• 13:32Tucker Carlson?

  And the US and Great Britain were the reason that we don't have it anymore. And globally, for the most part, and no civilized country would tolerate slavery. But if you're against slavery, by the way, why would you be for the drug cartels which practice slavery, which sell people?

• 13:46Speaker 04

  All I know is it seems like the things they focus on do the greatest harm to America.

• 13:51Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I totally agree. But it does, I think it's a mistake to take their explanations at face value. I think there's something deeper, like they just hate, they want to hurt people.

• 13:58Speaker 04

  They do not have an abiding love. Look, I didn't like Jimmy Carter as a president. I think he did a good job, but he didn't have a hatred for this country.

• 14:04Tucker Carlson?

  I don't think so.

• 14:05Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't think he did. I think, I think we've had a lot of mediocre to bad presidents, who still didn't want the country to be dismantled. But I think it started with Obama. Biden didn't know what he was doing. He was being told by others he wasn't competent. And that, this was the third presidency of President Obama, and he didn't have to worry about being popular anymore, because he limited himself a little bit because he wanted to get reelected. He didn't care if Joe Biden got reelected.

• 14:31Tucker Carlson?

  You think it's over for Obama? His influence is permanently diminished?

• 14:37Speaker 04

  I think it's been impacted and affected. It could be if we continue the momentum, we don't mess this up. If we, if we get caught up and not focusing on the best things for America, he can come right back in. If we don't take care of the American people and make that our number one focus, what's best for the American people? If we stay on that track, we have a really good chance of being successful for a long time. If we lose sight of that and we start worrying about our power and our

• 15:03Tucker Carlson?

  I agree.

• 15:03Speaker 04

  We, once we start taking care of ourselves, then they have a chance back in because the American people see that.

• 15:10Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's really wise. Um, I'm concerned about that, not because of any individual acting in bad faith, but because human nature

• 15:19Speaker 04

  The depravity of man.

• 15:20Tucker Carlson?

  What it is, it's exactly right.

• 15:21Speaker 04

  The Presbyterian, the Presbyterians actually had that right. When they set this government up, it was based on the depravity of men. It was the reason they wanted three branches of government. It made it so frustrating to get things done. It's because they didn't trust people in power because every human

• 15:36Tucker Carlson?

  I wouldn't trust myself in power at all. I don't want power because I don't trust myself. I don't think any honest person can really say my motives are pure. I mean, right?

• 15:47Speaker 04

  No, I agree with that. We're all have this pull towards

• 15:51Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, and anyone who doesn't admit that's a liar.

• 15:54Speaker 04

  Right.

• 15:54Tucker Carlson?

  So yeah, I want oversight of me.

• 15:56Speaker 04

  Right.

• 15:57Tucker Carlson?

  You know, and then you see Chuck Schumer and you're like, that guy needs a lot of oversight, like armed oversight. You know what I mean? Like all of us.

• 16:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think you got it right in your speech at the Bible Museum during the inauguration about humility and realizing your need for, for, for God's work in your life. And without that, you, you have a, we all have a tendency to go down the path.

• 16:16Tucker Carlson?

  A hundred percent and you lie to yourself, oh, I'm doing this for the greater good. You know, I have known people personally who've killed other human beings because they thought, or they convinced themselves, you know, this is actually for the, you know, some, the humanity will benefit from this.

• 16:32Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. That's what we all convince ourselves, whatever we're doing, that we're doing this. And it really, we, we, we Tell ourselves, well, this is really good because we are off face many times.

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  That's joyandblokes.com/tucker. Use the code TUCKER, 50% off labs, 20% off supplements. Joy and Blokes, get your edge back. So can I, can I ask you? I, I was reading in the final weeks before the election that the Biden administration was selling off portions of the materials for the border wall. Is that, is that actually true?

• 20:19Speaker 04

  I believe it is. And here's what happened. We had sued the Biden administration a couple of years ago. And you know, these cases, these federal cases don't happen overnight. It took us a couple of years. We sued them and we said, Congress appropriated money for the building of the wall. You are not building that wall. You're actually selling off assets. So we sued them. We won that lawsuit and in May, we got an injunction from a federal judge saying, you, DOJ, you Biden administration cannot sell any more assets off. So then I get a call from President Trump, you know, a month ago, and he said, they're selling assets off. So would you sue them? And I said, well, I don't have to if I were done it. So I already get an order. So we go back into court, we tell the judge, hey, they're selling off assets. We've been told to sell off assets. We went into accounting.

• 21:01Speaker 04

  And before we got there, DOJ is calling us, begging us, hey, we're not selling. We swear we won't sell any more assets. They didn't say they hadn't. They say we won't sell anymore. So they signed an agreement, they wouldn't sell anymore. But the judge, which we asked for, there's going to be an accounting and there's potential sanctions if they lied and they did not follow that order. We don't know that yet. But we're going to know that soon. Now that DOJ is switching, we're going to know that soon. I truly believe they were selling off assets in violation, not only of federal law, but in violation of a court order that we got in May saying you can't sell off assets. Because we were trying to protect those assets so that if Trump won, we would come. Because I knew Biden would never build that wall, even if he was instructed by Congress to do so.

• 21:42Tucker Carlson?

  How hard is it? I never really understood why is it so hard to build a, it seems like a pretty straightforward infrastructure project.

• 21:48Speaker 04

  It is a pretty straightforward infrastructure project, but they hate it. It's some kind of symbol of, I don't know, racism or whatever. It's not. It protects us from exactly what we've had.

• 21:58Tucker Carlson?

  So why not pass a law that says anyone, any elected official who opposes the building of a border wall is prohibited from putting a lock on the front door of his house?

• 22:06Speaker 04

  Well, that would affect a lot of Republicans. I mean, my own senator would have trouble with that. John Cornyn, because he's been against the border wall, saying it wouldn't work. But we all know that walls do work. They do work. And I've seen it. I've seen how it works.

• 22:18Tucker Carlson?

  Why would John Cornyn be opposed to a border wall protecting his own state?

• 22:23Speaker 04

  I don't understand it. I've seen quotes from him. I've seen video clips from him over and over how it's not enough. It doesn't work. It's a bad, he is opposed to the border wall.

• 22:33Tucker Carlson?

  But he's, I mean, boy, he's helped appropriate billions and billions and billions of dollars for border security in other countries.

• 22:40Speaker 04

  I know. It's really odd that he thinks it works other places, but it doesn't work in Texas. And he's sort of mocked it and said it doesn't work. It's not effective.

• 22:49Tucker Carlson?

  I'd love to hear him mock Israel's border walls. Do you think he will?

• 22:51Speaker 04

  No.

• 22:52Tucker Carlson?

  I'd love to hear him mock Ukraine's territorial integrity.

• 22:55Speaker 04

  Nope. Never heard him do that.

• 22:57Tucker Carlson?

  What is that about?

• 22:59Speaker 04

  I don't understand it. It's, it's, I mean, I think the Bushes had the same idea that open borders were relatively good. I don't think that he, he or the Bushes-

• 23:07Tucker Carlson?

  But only for us, not for, no one's calling on China to open in borders.

• 23:11Speaker 04

  I don't know why they have this view, but they, I mean, even under the Bush presidency, I don't think they took immigration seriously. I, the first president I've ever seen take it seriously is Donald J. Trump.

• 23:20Tucker Carlson?

  How did John, I mean, this is a question I could ask of so many, no offense. I say this as a Texas lover who's got a lot of relatives there, including a child. So I love Texas. However, I think you've got some of the worst politicians in the country. Like, how did that happen? How does that happen?

• 23:36Speaker 04

  So, I, you know, I think about like the Texas House and what's going on there, what's gone on there for 16 years, where a small group of Republicans for power aligned themselves in the House with the Democrats so that the Speaker is elected by mostly Democrats and a few Republicans. They just did it again. Dustin Burrows just got elected by a minority of Republicans after he put the rules in place that the caucus, the Republican caucus, would decide who the Speaker was. And when he lost that vote in caucus, he walked out, cut a deal with the Democrats, and he just became Speaker of the Texas House. That is for power. That is for his own personal, you know, power. And that's the, the Republicans that do that have traded getting good policy done, getting property tax done, school choice,

• 24:20Speaker 04

  protecting the border, not doing impeachments of guys that just got elected. They traded that to have power. That's all it is.

• 24:27Tucker Carlson?

  With all this drug cartel money in your state, it's not going to get better? Because you could just buy a member of the Texas Legislature. What would that cost? Not too much, right?

• 24:34Speaker 04

  Not too much. I mean, these guys, I mean, they only make $600 a month. So, you know, anything is good after that, I guess.

• 24:39Tucker Carlson?

  We're pretty vulnerable that way.

• 24:41Speaker 04

  I think we are. And I, I think a lot of these people, because Texas House, you get paid $600 a month. So, most people that run have to have money. You can't.

• 24:49Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 24:50Speaker 04

  And if you don't have money, you're, you're getting paid somewhere for something because it's impossible to live on, obviously, $600 a month. So, everybody has to either work, and it's hard to work when you've got a job that may take a year out of every two years.

• 25:06Tucker Carlson?

  Specifically on John Cornyn, how did he get to be a senator when statewide in Texas?

• 25:13Speaker 04

  So this goes back to George W. Bush appointed him to be a US Supreme Court judge in, not US Supreme, but a Texas Supreme Court judge. And when he did that, he authored an opinion that created this thing called Robin Hood, which takes from the wealthy school districts and gives to the poor supposedly. And what that did to our system was it created a mediocre school system because it's just socialism. Instead of just letting the wealthy school districts make their schools however they want to, we've got to take their money away. Why don't we just fund the poor school districts? It makes no sense, but I think-

• 25:45Tucker Carlson?

  Because it's not about helping the bottom, it's about crushing the top.

• 25:48Speaker 04

  It's about making it all equal. That's socialism. It doesn't work. It's never worked anywhere. We have no example that it actually works. So, and yet, John Cornyn did that for George W. Bush because George wanted to be president. He didn't want to pass a major tax increase, so he let John do it judicially. It was a 5-4 decision. John Cornyn was on the 5-4.

• 26:06Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 26:06Speaker 04

  And I'm pretty sure he authored it. And so-

• 26:08Tucker Carlson?

  This was in the late 90s?

• 26:09Speaker 04

  Yes. And for that, he, they pushed him, Rove and Bush pushed him to be the Attorney General of Texas, first Republican, actually. And then they pushed him into the US Senate. So he has been pushed and funded by that group. And fortunately, Texans have caught on to that and, and realized that group, whatever they say they believe, isn't really what they believe because they don't actually follow through on it.

• 26:33Tucker Carlson?

  Well, but I mean, we kind of know what Bush believes. I mean, his family's out there campaigning for Planned Parenthood, voting for Kamala Harris. I was with him two days ago and Obama at the inaugurations. Right next to them, across from him, I watched him, you know, pal around with, you know, he's friends with Obama.

• 26:50Speaker 04

  That's his world.

• 26:50Tucker Carlson?

  Right, that's his world. That's all well-known. But what's, and pretty distressing, was running mate endorsed Kamala Harris and his sad little daughter campaigned for Kamala Harris. So that whole world is now, they're all Democrats. But John Cornyn is still an elected, statewide elected official in Texas. He's a puppet of the left, obviously. Like, how does that continue to happen?

• 27:14Speaker 04

  So I think it's because- People weren't as aware of what the Bushes did and what he's done, but they've come, become more aware because of people like you and others who have outed that. So he's never had a real prime. He had four people running against him. None of them had money. Nobody had ever run before. No one even knew who they were. It was all fake. And he claims, you know, he got 76% of our... Of course, he had nobody running against him that I could tell you who it was. And I'm pretty involved in politics. Somebody needs to run against him this time because he has been there for what? 16 years? Just in that position, count his AG, that's four years. He was Supreme Court, Texas Supreme Court Justice, and before that a district. He's been doing this a long time and he's gotten away with this. It's about time that he be held accountable because I can't think of a single thing that

• 27:55Speaker 04

  he's done for Texas that's good. He has no acclaim for doing things good for Texas or our country.

• 28:03Tucker Carlson?

  No, he's helped Zelensky and that's pretty much it. So, um, how did... Okay, so what's the process? The guy, I mean, I've never met anyone who likes John Cornyn, never met anyone who thought he's achieved anything, never met anyone who thinks he's smart. He's pompous, he's quite a self-righteous little guy. So I think he's very unpopular with every person I've ever met in my life. And yet, all things being equal, he gets re-elected. So how do you, how do you stop something like that?

• 28:30Speaker 04

  So I'll give you an example of what you're just saying. So to, right after I beat George P. Bush, who he, he came out and endorsed, of course, and then he, he made disparaging comments about me being an embarrassment to Texas. And he made some comment about me being part of Russia propaganda.

• 28:47Tucker Carlson?

  You're Russian propaganda?

• 28:48Speaker 04

  Oh, I don't know how that happened. I'm in Texas, I became part of the Russian propaganda because I criticized him on Ukraine.

• 28:54Tucker Carlson?

  He said that you were Russian propaganda?

• 28:55Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, that's what he said.

• 28:57Tucker Carlson?

  Crazy stuff. You know, people didn't used to say things like that.

• 29:00Speaker 04

  Right. Well, guess what? So...

• 29:01Tucker Carlson?

  Who's the more loyal American, you or, or John Cornyn?

• 29:04Speaker 04

  Look, I'm...

• 29:05Tucker Carlson?

  Who's more focused on the fortunes of his own country and his own people? You or John Cornyn, who obviously doesn't care at all, didn't say anything as his own state was invaded and lectures us endlessly, so tool of the intel agencies, lecturing us about Ukraine? But you're the disloyal American? It's actually, like, you shouldn't say things like that. People should not talk like that.

• 29:22Speaker 04

  It's crazy.

• 29:23Tucker Carlson?

  It is.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  So, justice, the crazy thing, we have a Texas Republican convention shortly after the election where I win by 38 points against George P. Bush, which is a pretty significant margin in a primary. So we have the convention, there's 12,000 Republicans there. He and his wife walk up on stage and for 10 straight minutes, he doesn't say a word, he gets booed. For the 20 minutes that he's speaking, he never adjusts his speech. He gets booed the entire 20 minutes. He gets booed 30 minutes straight. I'm standing, waiting to go onstage. I walk away because I'm afraid of what I might say after he said these things public to me. I go up and get a standing ovation. So, there is, the people of Texas know John Cornyn, and I don't think he'll survive another primary.

• 30:01Tucker Carlson?

  So, how do you stop this cycle?

• 30:02Speaker 04

  So, I think in Texas, it's very doable, because people realize now who John Cornyn is. We have a primary next, not this March, but the next March. So, somebody needs to run against him in that primary.

• 30:13Tucker Carlson?

  So, in a year, basically in a year and two months, you have a primary?

• 30:16Speaker 04

  Yep. So, that primary-

• 30:17Tucker Carlson?

  Ooh, it's imminent.

• 30:18Speaker 04

  It's coming. Yeah, absolutely. So, he's, I don't think he's long for this Senate world.

• 30:25Tucker Carlson?

  So, well, I'm sure he's got such an enormous reservoir of skills and talent, that he'll thrive in the private sector.

• 30:31Speaker 04

  Doing what? I don't know if he's ever been there.

• 30:35Tucker Carlson?

  He couldn't start my truck on a cold day. He has no idea. He has no skills. But anyway, sorry, I'm being too mean, but it's all true. How do you, how do you beat him in a primary?

• 30:48Speaker 04

  So, I, I mean, I don't know. I'm running for sure. I'm looking at it, probably in the next few months, I'll be talking to people around the state. But, I mean, I've run two primaries against George P. Bush and another guy, Dan Branch, who was George, one of George W.'s-

• 31:01Tucker Carlson?

  I knew Dan Branch, yeah.

• 31:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, one of his close friends, but very moderate. And I-

• 31:05Tucker Carlson?

  You're a nice guy.

• 31:06Speaker 04

  I beat him nicer to you than he was me.

• 31:08Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 31:09Speaker 04

  I served in the House, one always so nice to me. 65-35, him, with, he had a lot more money, same with Bush. I beat him 68-32. So, primary voters, if they're educated, will make good choices based on what you've actually done.

• 31:23Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 31:24Speaker 04

  And that was always me. With Dan Branch, we were in the House together for 10 years, and I moved over to Senate for two while he was in the House. And I said- Don't listen to the rhetoric. Look at the record. We both have a record. Go look at the record. Compare them. See if they're the same. They're not. He can say what he wants. He is not what he's, he's, he's running on my record. Look at his record. And that works in primaries. And the same thing with John Cornyn. I bring out what he said about Trump and how disparaging he was of Trump in 2016 and 2000, just in this last election, saying he shouldn't run. He's not the right guy. I mean, John's wrong about most everything. There's very few things. He tends to side with the swamp in Washington and he does what Karl Rove tells him to do. So that, that doesn't work in a Republican primaries, not in Texas.

• 32:05Tucker Carlson?

  What is Karl Rove? I mean, Karl Rove is, I mean, he's gotta be 70 anyway at this point, I would think. He's been around, I mean, I've known him for pushing 30 years. I don't think his track record is something anyone could brag about at all. He's been wrong about, he's sub genius, I would say, for sure. I'm a genius. No, you're not. And his record suggests he's not. And so like, why does he still have influence? Does he, is he still effective?

• 32:32Speaker 04

  But let's be honest, he's propped up by Fox News. He has the platform. They take care of him. He, he can keep people like, for instance, I can't get on Fox News.

• 32:39Tucker Carlson?

  He's still on Fox News?

• 32:40Speaker 04

  He's still on Fox News. And he's, he's kept me off for a couple of years because I, when I ran against Bush, they got Bush on and took me off. And all the shows I used to be on, almost all of them.

• 32:49Tucker Carlson?

  Are you serious?

• 32:50Speaker 04

  I know that for, I know for a fact.

• 32:52Tucker Carlson?

  I don't have a TV. This is a disadvantage. Karl Rove is still on Fox?

• 32:54Speaker 04

  He's still on Fox. I just saw him during the inauguration. He's there a lot. I used to go in studio at the same place in Austin. I used to trade out with him.

• 33:02Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I've been to that studio.

• 33:03Speaker 04

  Yeah. And he got me cut out for sure. And I know that from hosts of shows who have said, sorry, weak. They will even like, I will have a case. They will, we will get, we will, Jesse will talk to my communication, talk to them. They'll book me, then they'll cancel me. Then they'll go try to find another AG. They'll call the Republican, can we find another AG? Or they'll ask for somebody else in my office other than me. That was Karl Rove blacklisting me on Fox.

• 33:27Tucker Carlson?

  Karl Rove is booking shows at Fox News.

• 33:29Speaker 04

  He just goes around and he controls.

• 33:32Tucker Carlson?

  They're so crazy.

• 33:33Speaker 04

  No, I've been told by people you know that have shows.

• 33:36Tucker Carlson?

  I know everyone there.

• 33:37Speaker 04

  I just don't want to out them.

• 33:38Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, no, I get it.

• 33:39Speaker 04

  That have told me, we can't have you. And for the last two years, I've been on Fox like maybe a couple of times. I used to be on every day, sometimes multiple times.

• 33:49Tucker Carlson?

  Imagine, if I can just say, since I know these systems, I lived it. Imagine you're the host of a show and you get a call saying the sitting Republican Attorney General of the second biggest state is not allowed on your air because of reasons we won't explain, because like Karl Rove, it's like a totally discredited buffoon, doesn't like the guy, I'd be like, buzz off.

• 34:11Speaker 04

  Well, I think he went to like Paul Ryan and the board and just got, it's like, I am.

• 34:15Tucker Carlson?

  But why would you cave to that? Like, no job is worth taking orders like that.

• 34:18Speaker 04

  You didn't cave to that.

• 34:19Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I got fired.

• 34:20Speaker 04

  Exactly, but that's.

• 34:21Tucker Carlson?

  I wouldn't even consider that, like, what? I would always say, on the three or four times they ever said anything like that to me, I'd be like, no, it's totally great, just put it in writing. Just send me an email explaining why we can't have this guest, the rationale for it, and I'll assess and I'll respond in writing.

• 34:37Tucker Carlson?

  The second you say, put it in writing, they're like, oh, they'd never call you again.

• 34:41Speaker 04

  Well, I'm just telling you.

• 34:42Tucker Carlson?

  Put it, just put it in writing, it's totally fine. I don't, you know what, I've got some hearing issues, so if you could just write it down, explain what exactly about Ken Paxton is like verboten.

• 34:51Speaker 04

  I was supposed to go on a show. There was still one host that would sort of have me, and I was supposed to go on this show, and I had two different settings to go on, and both got canceled, and I was sold. You got canceled from the book.

• 35:03Tucker Carlson?

  We're moving in another direction.

• 35:05Speaker 04

  Yeah. Even if it's my case, I mean, I filed a case, and they want another Attorney General to come on and talk about it.

• 35:10Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, so I would just never put up with that.

• 35:12Speaker 04

  That's what they do.

• 35:13Tucker Carlson?

  I would always call and say, like, what, you know, what is this? Well, the decision's been made, by whom and why?

• 35:17Speaker 04

  But that's why Karl Rove still has his platform, because of Fox News.

• 35:21Tucker Carlson?

  But it's all the most disgusting kind of power, which is like stealthy feline power, behind the scenes power, rather than just say, you know, here are my views, and this is what I think, and I'm happy to debate it or whatever, I think you're wrong, I don't like, you know, Ken Paxton's evil, here's why, they'll never do that, because they're not honorable people, and I'm not just talking about at that company, I mean, more broadly in our society, like, the people who win every bureaucratic battle are exactly the same. They're all. They operate in darkness, you know, they're never straightforward about anything.

• 35:51Speaker 04

  You talked about my impeachment, I came in, you were the first person I talked to about the impeachment. That was how my whole impeachment went. It was done in three days, no due process. I didn't get any information. I wasn't allowed to participate or respond. All behind closed doors and then they leak stuff to the media that's not even true. And I've got a gag order on me and I can't talk.

• 36:07Tucker Carlson?

  It's so dishonorable.

• 36:09Speaker 04

  How do you survive that? It's really hard.

• 36:11Tucker Carlson?

  Also, how do you live with yourself? Like, how do you live with yourself if you operate that way?

• 36:14Speaker 04

  They convince themselves.

• 36:15Tucker Carlson?

  If I don't like someone, I'm always delighted to call them on the phone and say, I don't like you and here's why.

• 36:20Speaker 04

  They convince themselves that like, I deserve it because I'm a bad person because all of this stuff is true. But none of it was proof. You know why? Because it wasn't true.

• 36:28Tucker Carlson?

  But what, but why do it behind the scenes? Why?

• 36:31Speaker 04

  Because, I can tell you why. They, so I had friends that were called into the speaker's office, Republican House members. And they were saying, look, we need you to vote for this impeachment. And they said, well, can you just show us like some evidence? Well, you have this, you know, three day hearing, three hour hearing. Well, there's no evidence there. Can we see some evidence? No, you're not getting any more. Well, can we like, have a little more time to like, kind of figure this out? We've only had like, three days. We're going to vote on this in three days. No, we're not giving you any more time. What about, like, can we talk to the witnesses? We don't even know who they are. None of them were sworn in. We don't even know who the witnesses against him are.

• 37:02Tucker Carlson?

  Ah.

• 37:02Speaker 04

  And they said, no, we're not going to let you do that. And they said, well, why is it that we can't see the evidence? Why is it that we can't see the witnesses? Why is it that it has to be in three days over Memorial Weekend? And they said, because if we give Ken more than three days, he'll win. That's what they told him.

• 37:18Tucker Carlson?

  That is, you know, if you find yourself living your life like that, you have to make a change because that's really deceptive.

• 37:25Speaker 04

  That was the Republican, supposedly the Republican House, controlled by the Democrats.

• 37:29Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, they're all like that. I got called in one time by executives of a company and they, they're trying to tell me that Roger Ailes was a rapist, who I, you know, I knew well and really loved. You know, he's a flawed guy like we all are, but I didn't feel like a rapist to me. Pretty sure he wasn't a rapist. And I remember saying like, okay, who did he rape? Well, we know this, we just know this, you know, we had ropes in grade do this investigation. He raped people and, well, okay, who were they? Because I know everybody, I work there, I know everybody. No, you can't, just, just, just trust me. If you saw what we saw, you. And I was like, okay, but can you just tell me like, what were the circumstances of the rape? This is like an elderly man who's got hemophilia. Don't think he's raping anybody.

• 38:13Tucker Carlson?

  Well, and they were very annoyed that I asked the basic questions. And look, I don't know so many things I don't know, but I did come out of that meeting thinking, he didn't rape anybody. You know what I mean?

• 38:23Speaker 04

  Oh, absolutely. I see it all the time where they, people get accused of things, then they get overwhelmed by media and then they're.

• 38:28Tucker Carlson?

  They get overwhelmed and people always say the same thing. We know this, we know that. Look, I've talked to people, we know this. Like, look, let's just start there. We know that.

• 38:33Speaker 04

  Karl Rove did that to me. He went to people and said, we know this, we know this, we know this. And, and they're like, well, where's the proof? Well, I've got it somewhere. That's what he does.

• 38:42Tucker Carlson?

  But I do think to you, just all you need is self-respect. Like, I'm not going to be lied to if I can help it. I'm lied to all the time and I don't know it. But if, but I'm not going to allow myself to be lied to if I can help it.

• 38:53Speaker 04

  Well, look.

• 38:54Tucker Carlson?

  But people are just like, they're willing to be lied to. It's the vaccine is safe and effective. Okay. Then it turns out it's not safe and effective and then they don't have enough self-respect to demand an accounting of those lies. Like, you told me this turned out not to be true, why'd you do that? No one ever does that. Or that Karl Rove shows up and is like, we know Ken Paxton's a criminal. Okay. Where's everyone's self-respect? Like, I'm an adult man, you can't lie to me. Okay? It just seems like a kind of baseline.

• 39:22Speaker 04

  It is a baseline. And that's why when I was in the middle of that impeachment and I had no voice, I could not respond. I'm getting beaten up every day. Told my lawyers, I know you, I know you think I'm going to resign, but I haven't told no one I'm going to resign because I'm not even allowed to talk to the media. So how could I even tell, because there were printing stories I'm going to resign? I said, I want you to know, I don't care how bad it gets, I don't care what they say. These senators are going to, I'm going to make them vote. They're going to, I got elected four and a half months ago by the people. Let them vote me out. If they do, they will be accountable to voters, but I will not give in, no matter what.

• 39:55Tucker Carlson?

  I watched it up close and you won. It was amazing.

• 40:00Speaker 04

  It was.

• 40:01Tucker Carlson?

  It was hard to. So how many times did you win at the Supreme Court with the Biden administration?

• 40:07Speaker 04

  How many times?

• 40:07Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 40:08Speaker 04

  Gosh, I mean, we had 106 cases. We won over 75% of our cases, but several months that we, I can't even keep track.

• 40:16Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, but 106.

• 40:17Speaker 04

  A lot. We went there a lot.

• 40:19Tucker Carlson?

  You sued him 106 times. So I'm kind of thinking, since this is politics, that that may have had a role in your impeachment.

• 40:24Speaker 04

  I have no doubt. You know how I know they were there? I'm convinced that Biden administration went to the House, Texas House, with the Democrats, said, we want M and P's. And then Biden sent two lawyers from the Department of Justice to help the General Investigating Committee, which was five-member committee, three Republicans, two Democrats. They had four lawyers. Two of them came from the Justice Department, just randomly showed up to help. Was the Biden administration involved? I don't have proof.

• 40:51Tucker Carlson?

  Can't prove it.

• 40:52Speaker 04

  I'm not stupid.

• 40:53Tucker Carlson?

  That's unbelievable. So is there any, so do you expect that Karl Rove will be involved in this primary?

• 40:59Speaker 04

  Oh, absolutely. He will do whatever he can to stop. He does whatever he can to stop conservatives in Texas in general. Most of his.

• 41:05Tucker Carlson?

  Not just in Texas, nationally.

• 41:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. His fundraiser, everybody thinks he's out to help Republicans. He goes into primaries to get Republicans, to take out conservatives. He is not there raising money to go after Democrats. He's there to go after Republicans.

• 41:16Tucker Carlson?

  What do you think he's doing? I mean, it's amazing the number of Republicans who are Republicans, who are mobilizing against Trump's nominees, particularly Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard. He must be having, I don't know this, but do you think Karl has a hand in any of that?

• 41:33Speaker 04

  It would not surprise me at all.

• 41:35Tucker Carlson?

  Wouldn't surprise me at all.

• 41:35Speaker 04

  Not at all. And the reason they want to go after those two is because they're effective.

• 41:40Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, of course.

• 41:41Speaker 04

  They're courageous.

• 41:42Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  And they're going to change America if they're given the opportunity.

• 41:45Tucker Carlson?

  That's exactly right. And they're, you know, so sad to see some Republicans who I know well, mobilizing against Bobby Kennedy and they're saying, we're doing it because he's pro-choice and, well, I'm vehemently, passionately pro-life. I have always been, I will always be. But these are all people who are themselves pro-choice.

• 42:04Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 42:04Tucker Carlson?

  Supported plenty of pro-choice nominees. And it's not about that. It's about the fear that Bobby Kennedy means it, that he's sincere. And that he'll get something done. And by getting done, it's like fighting the corruption that controls Washington.

• 42:17Speaker 04

  The thing that's most missing in, in, in political leadership is, is not knowledge of what to do or how to do it. It's courage. And the thing that Bobby Kennedy has, he would, he will take on the Democrats, his own family, and the food, the big food.

• 42:34Tucker Carlson?

  That's exactly right.

• 42:35Speaker 04

  And they know that. And that's what they're afraid of. And so they have to stop them.

• 42:38Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. It's the testosterone level that scares them. It's totally, you're absolutely right.

• 42:42Speaker 04

  Unafraid. He's unafraid.

• 42:43Tucker Carlson?

  So in September, we went across the country, coast to coast, 17 different cities on a nationwide live tour. And it was amazing. We brought the entire staff with us like we always do, because we all work together for so long and enjoy traveling together. And one of our producers is a documentary filmmaker. And so he decided to make a documentary film about our trip, a full month across America with some of the most interesting people around. Different people joined us every single night. Bongino and Russell Brand and Bobby Kennedy and J D Vance and Donald Trump, et cetera, et cetera. We had the best time. And the fruit of that is a documentary called On The Road, The Tucker Carlson Live Tour, which is available

• 43:22Tucker Carlson?

  right now on TCN. On The Road, Tucker Carlson Live Tour is hilarious. You will like it. It's interesting. I, do you think it's fair to keep a list? I mean, I'm probably too fixated on this just because I've lived in a Republican world in Washington for so long. But I think it's fair to keep a list of like, the Republicans who are working against reform, who are working against Trump's best decisions, which are reform minded decisions, like nominating Bobby and Tulsi. Like, we should keep a list of that.

• 43:56Speaker 04

  Absolutely. And it should be open. We should be transparent. We should tell the world, like, who's working against us? Because they've done all this and they try to do this in secret. And then they go back and tell their constituents, well, yeah, I did my best. No, they did not do their best. They were behind the scenes. This is John Cornyn's career. This is what these people do. Transparency, just like my impeachment, the transparency of the trial actually helped me because the truth comes out. Transparency is what we need in government and we don't get it with people like the people you're talking about.

• 44:23Tucker Carlson?

  That's, I think that's really deep and true. The thing they hate most is exposure. I've always thought that's why they hated Trump there, where he was going to declassify stuff or say secrets out loud that, you know, that implicate the people running things.

• 44:37Speaker 04

  They hate him for that and they hate him because he also is courageous and he doesn't, his agenda is the American people.

• 44:42Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, no, I think that's interesting. So you, do you think you may run against Cornyn?

• 44:47Speaker 04

  I'm strongly considering it. I haven't made a decision. I have the spring to kind of work it out and, you know, I'm still doing my job. I had a lot to do under Biden before he left. It's a lot easier with Trump because we're working cooperatively instead of having to be adversarial on everything. So, you know, I'll be looking at this spring and seeing what people see. I'm going to travel the state and get a, get a feel for it. But I, my sense already is that John Cornyn is not loved in my state by Republicans. He may be loved by the Democrats, but he is not loved by the Republicans.

• 45:16Tucker Carlson?

  How long do you think Texas has before it becomes a Democratic state?

• 45:22Speaker 04

  It's totally up to us. If we can preserve it, we can, just like with this thing I told you about America, if we do the right things and we take care of the, the people in our state and we give them opportunity, we give them a good education, which the state is responsible for. If we provide opportunities for their children, if we provide just freedom to go be the best you can be and not get in their way with regulations and taxes, we give them, we will be a Republican state because what, it doesn't matter what your skin color is, if you get a chance to be successful, you're going to vote with the people that gave it to you.

• 45:55Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's right. I think that's right. And I, and I'm embarrassed to say that I kind of bought, I guess intuitively, I didn't really think about it, but the idea that demographics is destiny.

• 46:07Tucker Carlson?

  And I do think that's, there's a lot of truth in that. However, you know, Texas went from a majority white state to a really a majority Hispanic state, but that doesn't mean that it has to be like a dystopian, left-wing state at all.

• 46:20Speaker 04

  Hispanics are conservative socially. They are hardworking. They are family people. And they want to be, and they want to be successful, too.

• 46:29Tucker Carlson?

  Well, but it's interesting. So that, I first heard that line from Karl Rove, actually.

• 46:34Speaker 04

  How surprising.

• 46:35Tucker Carlson?

  He was my next-door neighbor. And he would always say, you know, Hispanics are natural conservatives. And I would say, well, I'm from California. And that became majority Hispanic state. And it just, it just went right off the cliff. It became, you know, really, really dark socialist dystopian place. And he, and I would say, so what do you make of that? What I didn't realize was, it was actually the liberal whites who are the problem. I mean, that state's run by Gavin Newsom. He's not from Oaxaca. You know what I mean?

• 47:05Speaker 04

  Yep, exactly.

• 47:05Tucker Carlson?

  He's from Marin County. And, and a lot of the decisions are made by people like that. And actually Hispanics are conservative. I mean, that's real. Look at El Salvador. And so it, what, what's happened, though, is that the party is controlled by neoliberals like Gavin Newsom, like Karl Rove. And they use the power of the Hispanic vote to affect outcomes that I think a lot of Hispanic voters reject, right?

• 47:34Speaker 04

  Yeah. And look, Trump is winning counties in Texas that have never been won before. And we are, we're, we are having more and more Democrat Hispanic politicians move to our party. And their positions are not changing. They're just realizing-

• 47:48Tucker Carlson?

  No, I agree.

• 47:48Speaker 04

  That the Democratic Party allowing all this illegal immigration and hurting their areas, and all the, those types of things, they don't want that.

• 47:55Tucker Carlson?

  They, they're leaving the machine. I, I guess the only thing I would say, just as an outside observer, is if the drug cartels are allowed to control the machinery of democracy in Texas, like, it could become Mexico really fast.

• 48:09Speaker 04

  That's why the whole DA thing that I was telling you about is so important. I remember when I was coming into the Attorney General's office, Abbott served as longest-serving AG in Texas history, 12 years, becoming governor. I'm now about to tie that. But it was, he was the one that told me- The most powerful elected officials in the country are the Texas district attorneys because they can do whatever they want. They can allow any crime they want. They can let their friends commit crimes and there's nothing that can be done to them. They are free to do what they want.

• 48:36Tucker Carlson?

  Well, so we had problems like this in the 50s and 60s after Brown versus Board where, you know, certain states just didn't want to comply with federal law. There was, and you know Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne to Little Rock and said, I'm sorry, you can't violate federal law. You can't, you're not your own country, actually. And, um, and you wonder like, how serious could the Trump DOJ be in reining in this crap? No, you're not allowed to have chaos in your state. This is an American state. No.

• 49:06Speaker 04

  I agree with that. And I, I think you're already seeing it on the board. He's already sent federal troops down there. And I think he, as long as it's, it's following federal law, I know that Trump is going to be aggressive at protecting this country.

• 49:19Tucker Carlson?

  I, I hope so. And

• 49:20Speaker 04

  I believe it.

• 49:21Tucker Carlson?

  So here's a question I've been obsessed with recently, and I don't know the answer, but you're an attorney general. How are states allowed to have sanctuary cities in open violation of federal law and that's not insurrection?

• 49:31Speaker 04

  Because we've allowed it. That, to me, that, that should, I mean, like in our state, we banned them. You cannot have a sanctuary city and we can remove people from office that, that, that put that in place.

• 49:41Tucker Carlson?

  But can states just say, we're going to ignore federal law? I think we had a civil war over that, didn't we?

• 49:46Speaker 04

  No, it, it, as long as the federal law is constitutional and it is not infringing upon states' rights.

• 49:50Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 49:51Speaker 04

  You know, every federal law is, is correct, right? But the ones that are, that, that are correct, then yes, they, it has to be followed. We're, we are, you know,

• 49:59Tucker Carlson?

  Well, these are the borders of the nation.

• 50:01Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 50:02Tucker Carlson?

  Right. So what states do with immigration affects the other 49, any individual state.

• 50:07Speaker 04

  Exactly right.

• 50:08Tucker Carlson?

  Cause it does seem like there was a standard in place under Biden where illegal aliens, who are by their presence committing a crime, were held to a lower standard than American citizens.

• 50:20Speaker 04

  We had to sue the Biden administration. We sued them specifically over letting criminals into this country, known criminals. And they fought us on it. They fought us on a very, yes, we are in litigation over whether the Biden administration can purposely bring criminals. And of course, all these countries were emptying their prisons to get rid of their bad people from all over the world. And Biden say, come on in. It's, it's, that's what I say evil. Like, I don't believe they were trying to do good for America. You cannot do that and tell me you, you are trying to help America.

• 50:52Tucker Carlson?

  How hopeful are you that we can deport millions of people?

• 50:58Speaker 04

  Look, I've seen Donald Trump do things that I never thought could be done. He said he's gonna do it. I think it's, you're not gonna get every one of them. But I think Tom Homan, I love that guy. I think there's gonna be a real serious effort to get as many out as possible. And that's really all you can do. But I think it's, I think it will be a success in the end because they are gonna, one, stop the, you gotta stop the bleeding, right? We've been bleeding like profusely. And then second, start moving, don't accept the fact that these people came in here illegally and just let them stay.

• 51:30Tucker Carlson?

  Um, there will be a lot of forces arrayed to stop that?

• 51:36Tucker Carlson?

  Obviously.

• 51:38Speaker 04

  The, I already know the Democratic AGs. I already, I mean, I know the game plan and, and I-

• 51:43Tucker Carlson?

  Who's the game plan?

• 51:43Speaker 04

  The game plan is to sue Trump and stop him at every turn legally. Go to liberal judge, try to get injunction and then, you know, slow, just slow it down. So I know, I think California AG already, they've already allocated 25 million to this fight. So I-

• 51:57Tucker Carlson?

  To stop Trump from deporting criminals?

• 51:59Speaker 04

  And to, and to stop his agenda in every possible way. So the Democratic Attorney General's are going to be suing and just start trying to stop all of this. The good thing is, you know, I've got, one of my guys that was my offensive coordinator to sue the Biden administration. He's, he's, if he gets confirmed, he'll be in a strategic position and he knows exactly the game plan and how to deal with it.

• 52:19Tucker Carlson?

  If you go and beat Cornyn in the Senate, which I certainly hope you will, is there someone coming up behind you who can get elected? Who will be as aggressive and focused on the needs of Texans?

• 52:31Speaker 04

  So one of the reasons I didn't want to leave last time, one is I don't want to be forced out. Like I didn't, I didn't want them to, I didn't want to step away under their terms because I just thought it was wrong.

• 52:39Tucker Carlson?

  That's the spirit.

• 52:39Speaker 04

  So second was, I didn't, I mean, I ran against three people that I just thought would be horrible for, for that job. They didn't know what they were doing. There are certainly people that will run that, I mean, there are, there are lawyers who've never practiced law that want that job because they're in politics. There, that's not the right way. I want somebody that knows how to practice law, that understands the law. And yes, there are a couple of people that I know that could run and I think might run. Otherwise, I'd have a hard time walking away from it because I don't want to give, this is such a crucial position, really for the entire country. The Texas Attorney General has the largest Republican office with the most resources and has the most ability to go fight. We have, we can attract talent. And so we have a lot of ability to take DOJ straight up. That's why we've run out one over, you know, three fourths of our cases because we can fight them toe to toe.

• 53:25Tucker Carlson?

  I just think it's, you see this weird dynamic in Texas where, I mean, there's so many great people in Texas, but all the money, not all the money, but a lot of the money in, you know, Highland Park and River Oaks, um, you know, your riches, zip codes, pretty liberal. What is that? And by the way, I know a lot of those people and I really like them. I'm not attacking anybody personally. Um, cause I know, you know, I know a lot of them, but boy, they, they seem to be funding people who will not continue Texas as currently organized.

• 54:00Speaker 04

  Like, it's exactly right. So a lot of, it's very strange. So this group, Texas for Lawsuit Reform, used to take a lot of that. They, they would funnel their money through them. So it wasn't them directly. And that's the group that spent, you know, 10 million recruiting the Supreme Court Justice who was a D E I person, as it turns out. That's how we, we exposed that and she blew up. That's who they supported. I don't totally understand it, but it's

• 54:23Tucker Carlson?

  Well, they don't like you too. They're like, oh, Ken Paxton's so embarrassing.

• 54:27Speaker 04

  I know. It's because

• 54:28Tucker Carlson?

  But if you ask them to run on a piece of paper, like where, what are your political priorities? They would, they would be not so different from yours.

• 54:33Speaker 04

  It's that whole

• 54:34Tucker Carlson?

  But they don't like it when you actually try to implement what you say you believe.

• 54:37Speaker 04

  Here's part of what I think happened. I think that I, when I ran against Dan Branch, he was W S one of his veterans.

• 54:42Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 54:43Speaker 04

  I knew Dan Branch. He was not, his deal was always this. I've spent 10 years with him. I would say, hey, we need to do this. This is the right thing to do. He goes, man, what are the optics here? I'm like, who cares what the optics are? This is the right thing to do. It was always the optics. How does it look? And his voting record, and you can look at it, is not consistently what most voters, most Republican voters would want, but it was for Highland Park.

• 55:06Speaker 04

  I don't know what is-

• 55:06Tucker Carlson?

  Which is an affluent part of Dallas.

• 55:07Speaker 04

  Yes, and same with, you were talking about River Oaks in Houston. Those, that Bush world that supported Bush and-

• 55:15Tucker Carlson?

  I have family in both those places and I think they're wonderful.

• 55:17Speaker 04

  They're not, no, they're not-

• 55:18Tucker Carlson?

  And I like all the people, and as I said, I like Dan Branch. I mean, I think I'm probably susceptible to charm in a way I shouldn't be because, like, I like all those, they're all good guys, but like, they, in the end, it's considered somehow gauche or bad to actually try and do what you say you're gonna do. That's why they don't like, I've just, no offense, hope it doesn't hurt your feelings, but I've been at dinner and people are like, "Oh, Ken Paxton, you know, mm, mm, Ken Paxton", it's like, why? Because he's doing what you say you believe?

• 55:46Speaker 04

  The same thing happened-

• 55:47Tucker Carlson?

  What the hell?

• 55:47Speaker 04

  It's the same thing with Trump. People had, would, I mean, I don't know-

• 55:50Tucker Carlson?

  No, you're right, it is.

• 55:50Speaker 04

  I was at his announcement at Mar-a-Lago, you know how many elected officials were there to support him that first, there were lots of regular people there. Me and Troy Nels at the very first announce-

• 56:00Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 56:01Speaker 04

  Everybody then was like, thinking it might be somebody else and no one wanted to touch it, weren't sure because you got, you had these indictments and it's the same thing with Trump. If you actually go out and do the hard things, then you're controversial. And then they attack you for being, the media attacks you-

• 56:13Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, they don't like it, they don't like it at all.

• 56:14Speaker 04

  And then, then people go, "Well, you know, we need to see", and I'm like, "Okay, you're, you're, you know what, you don't want Trump because he's controversial. That means you don't want somebody that actually gets something done. The people that aren't controversial are the people that don't get anything done. The media doesn't attack them. And so then, all these people are like, "Oh, I just don't like his tweets, you know, blah, blah, blah", and I'm like, "What, I care about what he gets done."

• 56:33Tucker Carlson?

  I think it may be that rich people are so insulated from the effects of everything that they don't really feel like these arguments are existential, that they really, really matter. Whereas, you know, if you make 120 grand a year and you live in Houston and you see the city, like, you can't use the hospitals, and crime's out of control, and like, everything is changing too fast to metabolize, and you can't really, you make 120 grand a year, you can't really do anything about it. You are powerless. And that's, by the way, twice what the average person makes.

• 56:59Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 57:00Tucker Carlson?

  You're like, you realize this is not a joke. They're wrecking my city for real. It can't be fixed.

• 57:05Speaker 04

  I think you've hit it because those people, even those people are affected by inflation, right? Everything is more expensive. Gas is more expensive.

• 57:11Tucker Carlson?

  Totally right.

• 57:12Speaker 04

  The, the average American and even above average American feels all of those negative effects every day. If you're a billionaire, it just, you just, it does.

• 57:22Tucker Carlson?

  No, I know.

• 57:23Speaker 04

  You, you don't care what it costs to fill, fill up your gas tank. You don't even think about it.

• 57:27Tucker Carlson?

  It's just weird in Texas. So if you go to California, if you go to Marin or downtown San Francisco, or you know, the town that I grew up in, affluent town, um, you know, everyone's kind of openly liberal. You know what I mean? Like they're smoking weed with their kids and they're whatever. They're liberal. You go to Texas and you meet the affluent class in Texas. Boy, they're just great people. They're just great people who share your values. And, and I think they really do, by the way, at least the ones I know, they sincerely do. But they don't feel that sense of, of eminence of like, holy shit, we got it. This is like a crisis. They do not feel that.

• 58:04Speaker 04

  Well, those are the people that elect me. If you look at my campaign finance reports, I usually have a massive number of people giving, but at a lot lower level than some of the other statewide officials.

• 58:13Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 58:14Speaker 04

  The numbers are just staggering. I, I raise less money, but my contributions from the number of people I get, I think I had the last report, maybe I'm off on this, maybe it was one before, 8,000 contributors in six, six months. Well, I don't think anybody comes close to that, but it's a, it's, it's not the million dollar checks. I don't get million dollar checks. I have a much lower contribution, but I love it because I like the fact that the people as a group are helping me.

• 58:40Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 58:41Speaker 04

  That's who I'm beholden to, those people.

• 58:43Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's right. And there's a, um, by the way, I just want to be clear, especially in Texas, like the rich people I know in Texas are good people with nice, you know, love their families. Their children turn out well, like they're good people for real. I love them actually. But I, and they would agree with everything you say, but in practice it freaks them out. And you see this with Bobby Kennedy too. Like anyone who's kind of tuned in, realize, yeah, Bobby Kennedy was like a turbo liberal. He's a Kennedy.

• 59:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:11Tucker Carlson?

  You know, he said all this crazy gun grabby, pro abortion nonsense, but then you watch him and you're like, oh no, that guy's on the same wavelength as me and he might actually get stuff done. It's only, it's, it honestly, it's the rich Republicans who he freaks out. He scares them.

• 59:26Speaker 04

  I

• 59:27Tucker Carlson?

  For the same reason you scare them. Cause you mean it and they're like, ah, this is embarrassing. Maybe I can't fully control it. I'm not sure I'm for this.

• 59:35Speaker 04

  Part of the problem is they all talk to each other and they all get their ideas from like each other. It's just almost too inbred. They don't get, they don't get down to talk to the people that you're, that you and I are talking about. They don't know them. They are not around them. They don't live with them. So they don't feel it. It's part of what your original point was. They just don't know these people. If they knew those people, I think, like you said, they're not bad people. I think if they can connect with people that are not billionaires, instead of just with each other.

• 1:00:01Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's totally right.

• 1:00:02Speaker 04

  It would help them.

• 1:00:02Tucker Carlson?

  I think it's totally right. I, I grew up in a rich person world. The greatest gift I ever got was, you know, spending time in a non-rich area for a portion of every year. And it really changed my worldview, like so dramatically, just having contact with people who aren't, you know, in that world, like just getting out of it a little bit.

• 1:00:21Speaker 04

  It's called perspective.

• 1:00:23Tucker Carlson?

  I don't have a ton of perspective, but I have like a little bit of perspective.

• 1:00:26Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:00:27Tucker Carlson?

  So like, that's super helpful.

• 1:00:29Speaker 04

  It's super helpful.

• 1:00:30Tucker Carlson?

  It is, it's super helpful and um, wow, that's so interesting. Can you win if you don't have the support of the big money in Texas?

• 1:00:39Speaker 04

  Well, all I can tell you is I've been, I've been statewide for 12 years and I've won. My closest primary runoff, when there weren't, you know, four people in the race was 65, 35. The last one was better, 68, 32. So I just go to the people and not, I usually get outspent. As long as I can be within like two to one spending, I have a really good chance of winning a primary. And I think anybody whole is consistent on views that are, that take care of their constituents. That's the key to winning is take care of your people, care about them.

• 1:01:11Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, well, I've always thought that, but then I, up and down the ballot and state after state, you see people elected who are basically promising to destroy their own constituents. And all the, the black leaders in Chicago who are like, you know, lecturing about black political power and how important it is, and then they make this, the city Hispanic. Now they have no political power. It's like. I mean, whenever you think of identity politics, I'm opposed to it. I don't think you should be running on your race anyway. But it's just a fact that they did exactly the opposite of what they promised their constituents. And really, now, nobody cares what those people think.

• 1:01:42Speaker 04

  It's the same problem. People like that were taking care of themselves. They were not actually looking out for the people they said they were looking out for. And then they they leave them in a terrible situation. They're not better off. But Donald Trump, supposedly the guy that doesn't like those people, when he's finished, the all categories of people, black, white, Hispanic, are better off. That seems like a good thing, right?

• 1:02:02Tucker Carlson?

  I know.

• 1:02:03Speaker 04

  But yet, he's a bad guy.

• 1:02:05Tucker Carlson?

  It's amazing. So here's a complicated issue that I think I know that you've addressed it in court. Data privacy. The idea that you ought to be allowed to have like conversations without other people listening to them. The idea that people shouldn't be able to steal information about you and profit from it. Where are we on that?

• 1:02:24Speaker 04

  So, you know, my first term was about stopping Obama.

• 1:02:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:29Speaker 04

  And so I think in two years that he was there, I sued him 27 times. Now, I stepped it up a little bit with Biden. But we had four years with Trump. And the reason I ran the second term was to deal with exactly that issue. I saw I saw big tech, and I saw big corporations. And people felt powerless because all their information is being taken. They have no control over it. They're being censored. And I'm like, how do I solve this? So I went out to Palo Alto. I spent like, a year of my life going out there, talking to professors, talking to lawyers who were tech experts. And we ended up putting together many lawsuits, several against Google, several against Facebook. We just had like, we sued Facebook because they there's a text law that says you cannot steal somebody's face, take somebody's face or their voice without their permission. And then, once you've taken it, you have a certain amount of time, a reasonable period of time to keep it. And then

• 1:03:14Speaker 04

  you have to destroy it. And you can't sell it without their permission. Well, guess what? Meta, now Meta, they were doing it. They just did it anyway.

• 1:03:21Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, why do they care?

• 1:03:22Speaker 04

  So we sued them. And we got the largest settlement between a state and a business ever, $1.4 billion. We have sued Google, I think, five times. We've won two of those cases. We got two settlements. But the three biggest are coming. One of them is is about the same thing that Meta did. They stole our faces. Another was about incognito, where they told people, by the way, you go into this incognito, you sign up for this, we will not track you. Hmm, lie. They tracked us anyway. That's that's a deceptive trade practice in text, where they tell you one thing and do another. They lied. And they're so big, and they make so much money, they just think they can win everything. Well, the final one was This is one that everybody thought was crazy, but we did it. And now then DOJ filed a copycat case under Biden, actually, where they where Google controls 97% of the ad market and they destroy the competition.

• 1:04:06Speaker 04

  If you're competing and we believe they cut a deal with Facebook to keep them out of it, pay them off, and they destroy you if you're small enough, they buy you if you're big enough, and they cut a deal if you're super big. And all of that's illegal under antitrust law. So we, in April, we are going to trial in Texas. They delayed me for two years by forced me into what's called a multi-discipline litigation. And I got put in New York, but we got a piece of legislation stuck on a bill that got us back out of that. So we're back in Texas. So we are going to take on the big tech companies. We're taking on General Motors because General Motors would sell you a car and they wouldn't tell you that their OnStar system, when you signed up for it, was tracking all of your driving. And then they're, they're selling that to insurance companies and then you get canceled and your insurance goes up because they're tracking every, you know, every turn of your car, what time you're driving, how many miles. They don't tell you.

• 1:04:50Speaker 04

  That's, that's a deceptive trade practice. So, and of course, we sued Pfizer and for, for lying to us about the vaccine.

• 1:04:56Tucker Carlson?

  It was a little weird after all of that to see Larry Ellison stand up and be like, everyone's getting an mRNA vaccine for cancer. What?

• 1:05:06Speaker 04

  I mean, it's crazy.

• 1:05:08Tucker Carlson?

  I don't even know. I'm trying to digest all that.

• 1:05:10Speaker 04

  Maybe just living in Lenai's, you know?

• 1:05:12Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, exactly. But do you have a hope? It does seem, look, I'm not against, well, that's why I am against technology, but I don't think I should be against technology. I should be a little more open minded, but, um, you know, there's a, there's a place for technological progress, of course there is, but it does seem like it's unrestrained. It does, you know, I believe in force, counter force. I believe in balance. I believe in marriage, which is that, you know what I mean? Two forces having to accommodate one another and in that you find peace. I don't see that dynamic with tech right now. It's just, it just seems unrestrained, the charge of the elephants, like nothing can get in the way.

• 1:05:51Speaker 04

  So that is a reason. I saw, I saw that if we didn't step in soon, and I didn't see anybody else doing it, wouldn't, DOJ wasn't doing it. I didn't see other states do it. So it was my, that's why we ran the second time. My mission was, if we don't stop this now, they Make so much money. They just buy their way out of everything. So they get sued by the, you know, European Union. They just pay $2 billion. They just jack up their price. When you're making $130 billion a year, that's just a minor little tax, right? For Google. So that is why I didn't just, I'm not just doing this for money. I'm asking for restructuring of Google. I don't want them to be able to do this to us anymore. They need to divest things so that there is competition in the marketplace. I'm not, I am totally free market, but one company that controls 97% of

• 1:06:32Speaker 04

  the market and then destroys competition, that is not good for consumers. And that's why we have antitrust laws. So if we don't stop them now, they'll control all our

• 1:06:41Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, we still have antitrust laws?

• 1:06:43Speaker 04

  We do.

• 1:06:44Tucker Carlson?

  You'd never know it, would you?

• 1:06:45Speaker 04

  We, we brought them back. And by the way, DOG copied our Google case. Exactly. Biden did.

• 1:06:52Tucker Carlson?

  Is there any hope?

• 1:06:53Speaker 04

  There's hope. And I think, I think the fact that you see after we settled with Mark Zuckerberg, he's, he's shown up at Trump. So he was, he spent, what, 400 million trying to beat Trump last time?

• 1:07:05Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:05Speaker 04

  You're seeing these CEOs come in. Now, they're, they're trying to keep their profit motive going, and they're, it's hard to get anything done in Congress because they give so much money. But I think the state AGs and hopefully DOJ with Pam Bondi are key to making sure that they play fair. Look, go make billions. I don't care. I want you to. Go make a lot of billions. I want American companies to do well all over the world, but play fair and, and allow consumers choices. Don't destroy choice.

• 1:07:34Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. And it just acknowledge that what you do has an effect on a lot of other people. And, you know, it's okay for other people to weigh in and have an opinion. It's, you, you get this, I mean, I know a lot of these people, you get this scent, they're so annoyed. If there's any impediment to what they want, like so annoyed, like they can't even believe it. Like what? You're getting in the way of progress. It's like, well, first of all, I'm not totally convinced this is progress. Like, that's a subjective term. We debate what that is. But second, like, I don't know. I, there are all kinds of things I want to do, but I have to negotiate with the people who are affected by those things to reach some accommodation. That's just what life is. But the idea, and you see this with some countries too, like, oh, you know, our neighbors don't like it. Tough shit. It's like,

• 1:08:16Tucker Carlson?

  I don't know. That's not what life is. Like, everything is

• 1:08:18Speaker 04

  Give and take.

• 1:08:18Tucker Carlson?

  Is a give and take.

• 1:08:19Speaker 04

  Compromise. Well, so, and

• 1:08:21Tucker Carlson?

  Where do we get these attitudes? Like, I just get to do exactly what I want. It's gonna totally overturn your life, and if you don't like it, like, shut up.

• 1:08:27Speaker 04

  These are super companies, right? Companies are bigger than most countries.

• 1:08:30Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:08:30Speaker 04

  They have more money, and I think that arrogance, what we talked about in politics.

• 1:08:34Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:08:34Speaker 04

  It happens in business. And so, not only do they want to control every market and control every, you know, transaction on the internet, but they also want to tell you what to say and what you can, what you can say on their, on their platforms. And then they tell you they're not censoring, but they are. And so, even with the Pfizer case, where we, we went in and sued them. We sued them not just for lying about the effectiveness of the vaccine, which they did do significantly.

• 1:08:57Tucker Carlson?

  Noticed.

• 1:08:57Speaker 04

  But secondly, for trying to censor people once they found out that their vaccine didn't work.

• 1:09:03Tucker Carlson?

  I want to do that with this podcast. So, what I want is Congress to pass a law preventing anyone from suing me, no matter what I do. And then, anyone who criticizes me is pulled off the internet and called a racist. That's a pretty good deal, don't you think?

• 1:09:16Speaker 04

  Absolutely. And then, if you happen to, like, not participate in their little scheme with the vaccine, then you lose your job.

• 1:09:21Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:09:22Speaker 04

  And you're socially-

• 1:09:22Tucker Carlson?

  Listen to my podcast, or you're fired.

• 1:09:24Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:09:26Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. That does seem like an unfair business advantage.

• 1:09:29Speaker 04

  It's pretty unfair. And I, actually, it's crazy, because then, there's no incentive for them to test it. They didn't test the vaccine.

• 1:09:36Tucker Carlson?

  Of course not.

• 1:09:36Speaker 04

  They don't have to. Why would they? They, they test it for, like, six days.

• 1:09:39Tucker Carlson?

  Well, they're fully indemnified.

• 1:09:41Speaker 04

  There's nothing you can do to them. So, we got, actually, we sued Pfizer over the vaccine. We got dismissed by a federal judge who said, "We didn't have, because of that federal law, our state laws don't apply." I don't think that's right. So, we've appealed to the Fifth Circuit, saying, "Wait a minute. They have their federal laws, but our state law, if you deceive someone, you lied to them, that is a violation of state law." Who cares what the federal immunity thing is? It has nothing to do with our, our state laws, and that's our argument.

• 1:10:04Tucker Carlson?

  Man, you guys, you know, there's so, there's so many arms available on the black market. I think Texas should buy some, just to, for a little more influence. You know what I mean?

• 1:10:12Speaker 04

  That's not my department. I always tell people, they want me to go, they, "Why don't you do something? Why don't you do something for it?" I said, "Well, I am, but they didn't give me any guns. They just gave me, like, lawyers. All I have is lawyers."

• 1:10:22Tucker Carlson?

  You like the drug cartels, just buy them on the dark web. Oh, hilarious. Kim Paxton, thank you so much for taking all this time.

• 1:10:27Speaker 04

  Oh, I enjoyed it. Thanks for having me.

• 1:10:29Tucker Carlson?

  And I hope you crush that John Cornyn. I really do. I do.

• 1:10:32Speaker 04

  We'll see.

• 1:10:32Tucker Carlson?

  I'm rooting for you.

• 1:10:33Speaker 04

  Well, thank you.

• 1:10:33Tucker Carlson?

  No one else agrees, but I'm in Highland Park, but I'm on your side.

• 1:10:36Speaker 04

  Hey, thank you. Appreciate it.