#2323 - Guy Fieri

Guy Fieri is a restaurateur, bestselling author, vintner, philanthropist, and award-winning host of multiple television programs, including "Diners, Drive-ins, & Dives, " "Guy's Grocery Games," and "Guy's Ranch Kitchen." www.guyfieri.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  Knuckle Sandwich is a sandwich shop in Austin.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  I heard about it today.

• 0:18Joe Rogan?

  It's legit.

• 0:18Speaker 01

  My pilot, my pilot calls me and says, you know, someone's got your brand out there. I'm like, what's it called? He goes, Knuckle Sandwich. I'm like, go figure.

• 0:25Joe Rogan?

  Well.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  But I hear it's good stuff.

• 0:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's real good. It's some Michelin star.

• 0:30Speaker 01

  What's that?

• 0:30Joe Rogan?

  We smoke in here?

• 0:31Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything goes in here?

• 0:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever you want to do.

• 0:35Speaker 01

  So that...

• 0:36Joe Rogan?

  Just don't shoot heroin on camera.

• 0:39Speaker 01

  I think we're gonna be able to pass that.

• 0:43Joe Rogan?

  So what's happening, man? How are you?

• 0:44Speaker 01

  Well.

• 0:47Joe Rogan?

  There we go.

• 0:52Joe Rogan?

  I got one, thanks.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  I really appreciate the invite.

• 0:56Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure.

• 0:57Speaker 01

  This is, uh, this is a long time coming. I've been waiting for this.

• 1:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 1:02Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I mean, especially all the influence you've had and things you've done. And I know the funny side of you. I know the UFC side of you. But watching the podcast and seeing all the characters and I was just watching the Bill Murray interview the other day. And I just look at it and I go, man, to hear those stories talking about Hunter and just all that and all the, I mean, it's just, it's pretty, you gotta have your mind blown by now.

• 1:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, my mind's been blown out. It's kinda overblown at this point.

• 1:34Speaker 01

  It's huge.

• 1:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  I mean, I think about what you did with Trump and all that influence that you made. And you, you call it straight up the line. You wanna come on the show? You wanna do this? Let's do it. And took the time to do it. I think it was a huge impact. I think that we look at all the people that you've given a chance. You've given them a platform. And I think that's really, it's fair of you. And the way you interview, the way I see it from, you know, doing a few interviews, you let people talk, you let them speak their piece, you continue to help them through not getting stuck on one thing. You navigate them pretty well. And it's really, I mean, it's from a guy that's, you know, in the business, not to this level, but got to the business. It's respectful, man.

• 2:15Joe Rogan?

  Thank you. Thank you very much. What is Knuckle Sandwich based on? You even have a, your chain is a Knuckle Sandwich chain?

• 2:21Speaker 01

  It's all, it's all has history. Just kinda like as I toured the museum today.

• 2:24Joe Rogan?

  Chef's hat with a skull.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  Started with that tattoo. One of the first tattoos I ever had, culinary gangster. So my buddy Joe Leonard, monkey wrench tattoo, great friend of mine, did my first tattoo. And he made that, he says, I have this drawing for you, I want to show this to you. And it's pretty, you know, skull, chef, let me check it out. So I don't put a tattoo on until he draws it on first. I have to have it on for a while. Like I have to look at it for a couple of days, like, does this resonate with me? So that's how it started, this way before TV, way before any of this. And when I got on TV, when I got on Food Network, they were going to send me my first paycheck. You wouldn't believe how much I made that first episode, just huge money. $1,250.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  An episode, you know, when you get started. And I wasn't planning on TV, but anyhow, I came back and I had all my buddies around my table. My house was kind of like a soup kitchen, all my buddies, you know, come by and someone will bring, you know, crab, someone will bring some steak, you know, whatever. And so I'm sitting there with all my buddies, I said, hey, I gotta think of a name for my TV, like my other business, because my restaurant business had a business partner and I didn't want the checks to come to the business. So I said, what do you, what do you think? My one buddy Dirty says, my nickname's Guido, he says, how about you make us something to eat? And that'll give us like some food for knowledge. And then, uh, and I said, you know, and I'm serious, I want to come up with a name for the company. I gotta get this, I gotta get my $1,200 check sent to me. And I go, hey Dirty, how about I give you a knuckle sandwich? And he goes, that'd be a good name.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  That's it? That was it. And it was, it was originally that. It was originally a sandwich with a, with a ring on it and a sandwich made out of money. And that was knuckle sandwich. And then it just kind of all evolved from there. So all my companies go into the brand of knuckle sandwich, but I never put a product of wine or tequila or anything I ever did. And when we started making these cigars, and this guy that I'm partners with is such a... Such a guru, guy named Eric Espinoza. And we sat there and talked about it and I have another brand called Flavortown. Like Flavortown's too whimsical and too, you know. It's gotta be something. I didn't want to call Guy Fieri. You know, I didn't want to have my name on it. I don't want to do stuff that like buy this because it's my, you know, it's my name. I just want to do something, you know.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  And we all thought about it. We said, ours are that good and he's such a badass. It's called Knuckle Sandwich.

• 4:47Joe Rogan?

  Did you have any idea in the beginning of your career of being a TV guy? Like, how did, how did all that stuff start? Cause it's a weird world, you know, I had a conversation with Jose Andres about this.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  I watched it.

• 5:00Joe Rogan?

  The, the, the emergence of the celebrity chef is like, I mean, it used to be like Julia Child. Like way, way back in the day. She was, and then.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  Just mine?

• 5:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. And then I guess there's a few other people, but they, they never were like cultural figures. I guess Julia Child was. She was probably the only one. I don't know. She was really it, right?

• 5:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was PBS. You know, that was PBS. That wasn't people really blowing it up. I mean, I watched it because I loved it. I was in love with food as at a young age. I mean, I was just was, one, because I didn't really experience and like exactly what my parents are feeding me. My parents are really good cooks. They weren't in the cooking business, but, um. But yeah, this whole food thing, I had, before I got on Food Network, I had never watched the Food Network. And not because I don't believe in it. I mean, food's my epicenter of what I do. But the last thing I was gonna do, working seven days a week, 12, 13, 15 hours a day in the restaurant.

• 5:56Joe Rogan?

  Come home and watch more food.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  Is go home and watch somebody make me, you know, a pot pie. I'm like, I got enough. Plus, I also didn't really have a true understanding of what was going on. Knew who Emerald was. I mean, you couldn't.

• 6:06Joe Rogan?

  He's another one. Remember when he had that sitcom? Where he, his, his tagline, bam. Like, they decided to try to put that into a sitcom.

• 6:16Speaker 01

  We just had that conversation the other day. Yeah, we just had that conversation. But Emerald's the OG. I, I give such. Appreciation and accolades to everybody that did it before me. There were so many people that helped pave the way in one style over another. And some in TV, some literary, some, you know, just living the, you know, keeping the energy of the industry alive. Because if you're not from the industry, you don't quite exactly get what it is. But it's a pretty, it's like understanding UFC. You know, the bigger fan you become of something, the more you start looking at it and just going, it is so much more than what you're watching in the ring for the, you know, next 20 minutes. It's really deep and there's so much more and there's so much, it's not

• 6:59Speaker 01

  just lifestyle, it's attitude, it's energy, it's connectivity, it's family, it's community, it's all that kind of stuff.

• 7:07Joe Rogan?

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• 10:01Speaker 01

  I know. This is about the most whack story in the world. So, all right, so, never graduated high school. Dropped out of high school when I was 16, went to France, was an exchange student. I'm gonna give you a little bit more of the backstory than you probably want, but I'll kinda give you the, you know, the quick version. So, when I got, when I came back from France, I was supposed to go to my senior year in high school, and I wasn't really super interested in going back to high school. I just lived in France in a boarding house and went to high school, and I didn't even speak French. But my parents were really open-minded, and I'd saved my money, and they said, "If you can pass a year of French at the junior college at 16, and you can pass the class, and you can figure it out," I guess. So, I went and lived in a boarding house and went to high school. Came back, my senior year, I just was not interested in going back to high school.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  So, I went to junior college, finished junior college, went to UNLV, got my degree, graduated a little bit early, and went and ran restaurants for other people. And then, and I was 26, moved back to the wine country, up to Northern California, where I'm from, opened my first restaurant. Had a bunch of restaurants with a buddy. Things were great. Did exactly what I wanted to do. Wanted to be, you know, have a great wife. Wanted to be a great dad. Wanted to have my own restaurant. That's all I wanted. Not that I was short sighted and stuff, like be a big community person, wanted to do a lot of, you know, community service and so forth. My parents were that way. So, that was it, man. I had like three restaurants. I owned a couple of hot rods. Bought my own house. I was living it, you know. And a bunch of friends came up to me. Actually, a kid across the street came to me and said, "You

• 11:29Speaker 01

  watch Food Network?" I said, "No." He said, "Well, they have a show on there called the Food Network Star. You should go on that show." I hadn't even seen Food Network. I saw Rachel Ray one time. I was at a bar. I saw Rachel Ray on screen. And I'm like, "That girl's got energy." I mean, listen to her. And she could talk food. She did, she does know her shit. So, that was whatever. About six, eight months later, my wife's driving home from the city. And she says, "Hey, I was just listening to the radio station. They have that Food Network Star show going on." She goes, "You'd be great in that." I go, "How do you know? You haven't seen the show." She goes, "No, they're just talking about it, like, you know, the culinary challenges and all the things. And then if you do it, you win a show." What do I want a show for? You know, doing what? I've not been on TV. I made my own TV commercials for my restaurant. That was the only thing I ever did that was TV.

• 12:13Joe Rogan?

  So, none of it was appealing when they contacted you and they asked you?

• 12:18Speaker 01

  I wouldn't say it wasn't appealing. It just wasn't in my scope.

• 12:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 12:21Speaker 01

  You know, it wasn't really...

• 12:22Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't in your plans.

• 12:23Speaker 01

  It wasn't like something I was seeking. You know, we had talked about it. There'd been many people that had come to me before and said, like, my buddy that was the, was the marketing manager for Flowmaster. Remember Flowmasters? The mufflers?

• 12:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, sure.

• 12:38Speaker 01

  Hot Rod Mufflers. So, he came to me and said, "You should do a hot rod show. You love hot rods. Let's do a hot rod show." I mean, I know enough to be dangerous, you know, about hot rods. I mean, I know just enough to get into the conversation where I bury myself. And so, that was that. And so, anyhow, the show, they say make a, make a three-minute pitch. So, all my buddies are like, you know, "Gotta make the pitch. Gotta do the thing. Gotta do the thing. Gotta do the thing." And I avoided it any way I could. And to the point where it had expired, like, the entry time had expired.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  So, my buddy, my buddy named Mustard, he's on, we're on a barbecue team together. Did competition barbecue and all kinds of crazy shit. And he says, "Did you ever send that demo tape into the Food Network?" And I said, "No, I just missed that window." And he goes, "Good, I thought you were gonna say that." He says, "'Cause they opened it back up, there's another week." Says, "Let's go make that." I'm like, "I don't wanna do this." And he's like, "Don't be, you know, you always push every, you know, this is the truth." "'Cause I push all my friends and like, 'Open your own business, go on that vacation, have kids.'" You know, I'm always the one that's kind of, you know, "Go live your best life." And so I kinda had to walk my talk. Last thing I wanted to do, Joe, honestly, is go on TV. And, 'cause I never went to culinary school.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  You know, I'd just been cooking through my, you know, that was my career and what I did as a passion and living in France.

• 13:58Joe Rogan?

  You opened up a restaurant without ever going to culinary school?

• 14:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 14:01Joe Rogan?

  Is that unusual?

• 14:02Speaker 01

  Hmm, I think it's probably 60/40.

• 14:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 14:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:07Joe Rogan?

  60/40 that go to school?

• 14:08Speaker 01

  60 go to school.

• 14:09Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, that's a lot that don't, though.

• 14:12Speaker 01

  I could really be off on that. When I do diners, travels and dives,

• 14:18Speaker 01

  70, 60% don't go. A lot of the mom and pops.

• 14:23Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  And that doesn't mean that they don't learn. I mean, some of the best chefs I know haven't been to culinary school and just are super smart at learning and dig in. Lot of education, lot of research, lot of trial and error, lot of, lot of putting yourself out there. You gotta be willing to fail. Like, I don't really think you can be a good cook if you're not willing to fail. I mean, if you're just, if you stay in your lane so much, I, I just think that you get better chances to, well, let's think about fighting. You know, think about the things you've learned. All the education in martial arts and boxing and all these different perspectives that people take to, to be in it. It's usually the one that has a pretty good, you know, a narrow focus on something they really, really love, but then having the outside perspective. So for me, as a chef... Having the ability to understand Indian food, you know, there's such a depth there

• 15:08Speaker 01

  that I'll never hit the bottom. You'll never touch all the opportunities that there are. But anyhow, so back to that, I, uh, I made the demo tape and I made it so ridiculous that there's no way, there's just no way they were gonna pick me.

• 15:23Joe Rogan?

  What'd you do on the demo tape? Do you have it?

• 15:26Speaker 01

  You guys, I think you can find it online.

• 15:27Joe Rogan?

  Hold on, put a headphone on.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  I can't believe I just told you to look. Oh, you guys already have it? God damn it, you set me up.

• 15:33Joe Rogan?

  I didn't set you up.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Did you really get it done fast?

• 15:36Joe Rogan?

  Jamie just pulled it up.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Jamie, you pulled it up that fast?

• 15:38Speaker 02

  Listen, Jamie. Welcome to Sonoma County, California, home of true wine country cuisine. Today I'm gonna prepare a dish for you, not in, not in fusion, but in confusion. I'm gonna do a gorgonzola tofu sausage terrine that we served over a mildly poached ostrich egg. Now, since we're in the wine country, I'll be serving that on, on Grape-Nuts and done with a delicious pickled herring mousse right on top and, who I know, delicious, it sends shivers up my spine. No, seriously, folks, real food for real people, that's the idea. See, it's all getting messed up. People are trying to take everything off the shelf and jam it onto a plate and that's not what it has to be. I learned how to cook out of survival. My parents are going through this macrobiotic cooking in the late seventies and I had enough vulgar and steamed fish to kill a kid.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  So, the idea in our family was whoever made the dinner got to decide what it was gonna be and being of Italian descent, pasta was always one of the keys. I went and studied in France and then came back and got my degree at University of Nevada, Las Vegas in restaurant administration. Been a district manager in Los Angeles and moved up here to Northern California to open up three different concept restaurants. What I'd like to talk to you about and what I think I could do as a Food Network host is teach people about real food, real people. Get it to the basics. Great product, great equipment, great ideas. See, anybody can read a cookbook, anybody can come up with a simple idea, but the idea is bringing it to the table. I take people's imaginations and put them on the plate. Let me show you one of my favorites. I was on my way back from Houston where I was down there.

• 17:06Joe Rogan?

  Can't believe you're making me go through this. Sorry.

• 17:09Speaker 02

  How to take Southern style barbecue and mix it into Japanese cooking. See, in Japanese sushi does not mean raw fish. And that's what people think it does. It means seasoned rice. So I take a little bit of seasoned rice, a little bit of smoked pork butt. And we put this together here in a dish with a little of our American favorite, french fries. And mix this together with a little bit of the California favorite, some avocado. And I came up with this idea and as I was doing this, a buddy came around the corner and he says, Guido, what are you doing? He says, you can't put that into rice. You can't make sushi out of barbecue. What are you doing, you jackass? And that's what this dish is called. It's actually called the jackass roll. So we mix it up, we serve it over. The idea about cooking is not just about great food. It's about putting all the pieces.

• 17:54Speaker 02

  Do you have a sharp knife? Do you understand sanitation? Do you know where to get it from? And do you know how to tie all the components together? You see, my idea about it is, is there's so much more to teach. As a restaurateur, people ask me all the time, how do you do it? I can take the restaurant and bring it to the home. And I think that would be something that would be sellable. My name's Guy Fieri. My friends call me Guido. You can now consider me your friend.

• 18:17Joe Rogan?

  Why did you think that would be ridiculous? That seems pretty straightforward.

• 18:22Joe Rogan?

  What's the matter, Jamie? Oh, your switch is fucking up again?

• 18:27Joe Rogan?

  Uh, you gotta reboot again? Go ahead, reboot. No worries. Okay, okay, okay.

• 18:36Joe Rogan?

  That seems pretty straightforward. I don't know why you would think that that would somehow or another, like, that I was no way they're gonna pick you.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  I was taking it seriously. I wasn't taking it seriously. The whole beginning line was such.

• 18:46Joe Rogan?

  That's a TV personality. That's like.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, listen, I had, I did it in one take. That was it. Here we go. You guys happy? Shit's done.

• 18:54Joe Rogan?

  I don't know why you would think that that would be something they would never pick you from.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  Well, I didn't know back then what I know about TV now.

• 19:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you thought you had to be like, super professional?

• 19:06Speaker 01

  I thought if I talk some shit and I got a made it a joke and I told them, what are they doing? You know, I thought like, hey, I'll be so, you know. I mean, that is pretty true to who I am anyways.

• 19:17Joe Rogan?

  What year was that?

• 19:18Speaker 01

  Two thousand five? Yeah, two, yeah, two, we shot in two thousand five, yeah, two thousand five. First show didn't air till two thousand six. But, um, yeah, so I send it to them.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  And I sent it on a DVD. Because my buddy that filmed it worked at the TV station and he put it, he burned it from the camera and put it on DVD.

• 19:41Joe Rogan?

  Back in the old days.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  So I sent it in. That was it. I did my deal. I said I would do it. I did it. So it gets in. Like three days later. Late at night, 10 o'clock at night, Lori and I are sitting, my wife and I are sitting on the couch watching TV. Home phone rings. She goes, no. She's from Rhode Island, she's from North Providence, so she's a little bit tough on the phone at 10 a.m., at 10 p.m. You know, like, who's calling at 10 p.m.? No, I don't know where he is. No, he's not here. I'll take a message. No. Yes. No. She finally covers the phone. She goes, "It's the Food Network." Bullshit. Food Network. It's one of my buddies being a jerk off. So I pick up the phone. I go, "Hello, Food Network." Blah, blah, blah, you know. And they said, "Is this guy Ferrari?"

• 20:25Joe Rogan?

  Uh.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  And I'm like, okay, because I know it's not, because it was one of my buddies that would have said, you know, "Fiaty." So she goes, "Um, yeah, we got your DVD and we'd like to talk to you about it and we want you to be on the show." I said, "Okay, what does that entail?" "Well, there's a contract that'll be on your door tomorrow morning. We FedExed it." So I get the FedEx and I look at it and I give it to one of my attorney buddies, like, "Man, they own your ass. If you sign this, they're gonna own you." So he redlined a bunch and I sent it back to him. They called me back and they said, "You can't redline the contract that we're sending you. This is like, you want on the show or you don't want on the show."

• 20:59Joe Rogan?

  What is like, when you say they own you, like, what do you mean?

• 21:01Speaker 01

  Oh, he says, "You know how a contract goes when you get into TV. I mean, there's like, you, you know, we've got you for 36 months. You can't do any other production, da, da, you know, whatever."

• 21:09Joe Rogan?

  36 months?

• 21:10Speaker 01

  I don't know. I didn't, don't quote me on any of it. All I know is, I had never signed an entertainment contract. At that point.

• 21:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. A lot of them are pretty predatory. They take advantage of the person that doesn't have any exposure. If you're gonna become a star, they wanna profit massively off it and...

• 21:26Speaker 01

  So that's where it kind of, my guy said to me, goes, "You have your own restaurants? You're doing your own thing? What are you doing? What are you getting on TV for?"

• 21:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 21:32Speaker 01

  And so, long story short, I went, Lori and I were pregnant, eight and a half months.

• 21:38Joe Rogan?

  You were pregnant too?

• 21:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, that's what I call it. I held the baby weight.

• 21:42Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 21:42Speaker 01

  Um, but we were, you know, we were pregnant. We got the kid coming. We, Hunter was four. No, Hunter was...

• 21:48Joe Rogan?

  Did you name after Hunter Thompson?

• 21:49Speaker 01

  Yes, I did. Did you know that or are you just saying that?

• 21:53Joe Rogan?

  No, I didn't know that.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Oh, that's 100%. I was, because I saw the Hunter Thompson in the hallway and I saw the Bill Murray interview. Um... I read Fear and Loathing Las Vegas. I don't read a lot, but I read that book probably five times. It's a great book. Such a great book. And when I got out of college, I lived in a town. I didn't know anybody. I lived in Long Beach. I didn't know anybody. I just worked at this restaurant. And I'm not a big TV person, so I just read the book. And I read it in college, and I read it again. I read it again. And it's funny, when you read something again, I got that from the Dale Carnegie book. I read Dale Carnegie, and you have to read it 100 times, or how many times? And I'm just like, man, this guy owns it. This guy lives it. This guy just, you know, what a character. And then the more I read about him, and the

• 22:39Speaker 01

  more you kind of learn about him. And so I told my wife, so we have Hunter and Ryder. Ryder's a freshman in San Diego State. Hunter just graduated with his MBA at University of Miami. That's awesome. Yeah, so that's where Hunter came from. Congratulations. That's great. Yeah, thank you. And my nephew Jules, who's in the middle of the two, we raised Jules. My sister died when Jules was really young. And so Jules is graduating this Sunday with his degree from Loyola in law. Oh, wow. He's in EDM music. He's an agent. Oh, cool. So anyhow, I got on the show. I got there. Everybody's standing there, buttoned up in their chef coats. I walk in, and I'm in New York, never been to New York. I'm in flip flops and shorts and a yellow leather jacket. And I walk in, and everybody's like,

• 23:23Speaker 01

  you know, all puckered. And I'm like, oh, this is not going to go well. This is going to be a shit show. And I just said, you know what? You got to give it a shot. So I just went in. I was just me, did what I do. I won. So I won the show. And what this show, what you win is a six-episode cooking show, which they ran at 7:00 a.m. on Saturdays. I mean, it was the worst time slot in the world. But they gave me the show, and I did good. And they gave me another show. And I did the show, and I hated it. I did the pilot, and I hated it. And I'm like, I can't do this. What was that show? It's called Gotta Get It. I don't think you're gonna find, Jim, you're not gonna find this thing.

• 24:04Joe Rogan?

  He'll find it.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  No, Jesus, please. I don't think, it was never aired. So what it was, it was a show.

• 24:08Joe Rogan?

  He'll find it.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  It was a show about, it was a show about, um, kitchen gadgets. And I'm not a kitchen gadget chef.

• 24:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so it's like, you gotta get one of these cuisinarts?

• 24:22Speaker 01

  It wasn't even that good. I mean, it was like avocado slicer. Like, if you can't slice avocado, don't eat it. I mean, you got a problem. But there was a cool one. There was a oven that talked Bluetooth to your phone. And that was way before Bluetooth stuff was really going on. There was a two-stroke, uh, weed eater mower with a blender on it. And that was the coolest one. I made margaritas in that. And so anyhow, but the, the one they gave me that sucked the worst, or the one that I wasn't, and was, they gave me a ball, like a hamster ball. Remember the hamster balls? You put the hamster and run around the house. But you'd pour cream and vanilla and sugar and all this in a ball and then throw ice cubes in it and then you would roll the ball around, kick it around, and it would roll and it would make ice cream.

• 25:05Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 25:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:06Joe Rogan?

  Kinda fun.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, not for a guy that has a sushi barbecue restaurant and, you know,

• 25:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, how long does it take to make ice cream by kicking a ball around?

• 25:15Speaker 01

  Too long.

• 25:16Joe Rogan?

  I was thinking, I was thinking, that's fun. But then I thought, no, how much time?

• 25:21Speaker 01

  Go kick it when you're in flip flops. So I did the whole thing and they called me a couple, you know, weeks later and they said, hey, congratulations. The show got picked up for 13 episodes, primetime. I'm like, oh, I gotta, I gotta be honest with you. I'm not gonna be able to do that show. Like, what? Like, no, I just, it's not. So it went through a series of people, like executive, executive from the production company, the owner of the production company yelling at me, telling me he wasted all his time and his money. I said, hey, nobody told me that if this got picked up, I had to go do the show. I thought it was a discovery for you, a discovery for me. I don't, I don't know shit from steak sauce about what's going, how this all works, which I quickly turned that. I was not gonna be inside of the TV business and not be really aware of what goes on. So, um,

• 26:07Speaker 01

  finally, the president of the network called me and she said, you're burning a huge opportunity, Brooke Johnson, you're burning a huge opportunity. I said, Brooke?

• 26:15Speaker 01

  It's all about, to me, about authenticity. I said, "I don't need the paycheck and I don't need..." I said, "I'm happy with my life. I love what I do. I like my cooking show called Guy's Big Bite. You know, cook food the way I want, call it what I want to call it, make it the way I want to make it." And I said, "I just don't..." Me and gadgets for cooking are just not a thing. She goes, "Well, you might not ever get a shot like this again." I said, "I really appreciate the opportunity and I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I just don't want to do it." And she said, "Okay." And that was it. But fortunately, six months later, they called me back and said, "We're gonna give you one more shot. You're gonna be a food critic." I said, "No, thank you." They go, "Hold on, hold on, hold on. Why not?" I said, "I'm not a food critic. I'm a cook.

• 26:59Speaker 01

  Last thing I'm gonna do is go in and tell people they're doing it right and they're wrong. That's like someone going and telling somebody they don't like their arts wrong. Bullshit. That's not my style." So they said, "Well, okay, it's not that. It's not that. You go around..." This was the key word. "You go around to mom and pop joints and you just eat the food and talk to the people." "My God, I can do. That's my style." I said, "What's it called?" "Diners, Drivers, Dive-Ins and Dines." I said, "What?" They couldn't get the name right. No one ever gets diners, drivers and dives right. That's why we call it Triple D all the time. I said, "I could do that. I could do that. That sounds like dives. I love dives. I don't know a lot about diners because we don't have many of them on the West Coast.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  And drive-ins, I love. That was always special to me to go to the A and W Drive-In when I was a kid. We didn't eat fast food when I was a kid, so when you went there, that was like big, big deal, you know? And that's how I got on."

• 27:52Joe Rogan?

  Wow. Interesting. Yeah, it seems like it's hard to find, because once they started making personalities out of chefs, then you have to find authentic personalities who are good on TV that are actually cooks. So it's kind of a little bit of a dilemma, because chefs aren't necessarily the kind of people that you want to have in front of the camera, for the most part.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  I deal with a lot of them.

• 28:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  But you know what? I think that everybody, when you get people comfortable, as, you know, you get people comfortable, you get them talking about themselves, you get them in a zone where they... Feel good and they relax. It's very similar. It's what you do here. I mean, I watch it's. People have a gift of storytelling or have history. And what can people talk best about themselves? Or their history or their passion? And that's what I did with Triple D is I just went in. I remember the first one we ever shot. I'm standing there talking to the guy about thing and I'm pouring coffee behind my back. People are bitching at the counter because we're in right in the middle of an active service in the diner. I'm pouring coffee and pancakes burning and I flip the guy's pancake and I'm like, so how, how long have you been making the, you know?

• 29:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, hang on a second. He needs an order back, you know? And I asked all my questions I was supposed to ask. And the producer at the end goes, cut, cut, cut, cut. I said, what, come here. What the hell was that? I said, I, well, slow your roll, bro. I said, I asked every question you asked me to ask. I said, I didn't stand there and do it like PM magazine. You know, I was in the mix with the dude, but I asked all the goddamn questions. And he's like, can you do that again? I said, just stand on my head. This is what we do in the restaurant business. I said, we work and we talk and we joke and we laugh and we bust balls and we do, you know, that's what we do. Throws his clipboard on the ground. We've got a hit. And then we went around the country for the next three weeks and shot more locations and put that together into the pitch.

• 29:47Joe Rogan?

  So I don't understand. Was he pretending to be upset or was he upset until he explained it to him?

• 29:51Speaker 01

  He was a kind of an upset guy.

• 29:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, fun.

• 29:54Speaker 01

  But it worked out.

• 29:55Joe Rogan?

  That's the problem with TV, dealing with upset people.

• 29:58Speaker 01

  Well, and the thing is, is especially with people that don't understand TV. So when I started Triple D, I just treated my fellow chefs, restaurant owners, like we were in the kitchen. Have fun. I tell them all the time, I want you to say whatever you want to say. If you want to drop 50 F bombs, if you cut your, if you drop a thing on the floor, if you shit goddamn, if it's not right, don't worry. We'll stop, we'll fix it and we'll go forward, but I'm never going to make you look bad. I promise you that. I'll never make you look bad. You'll look great. Sometimes we stop. I go, hold up, let's hold up, let's hold up. What do you drink? Jack. Can we get him a shot of Jack, please? You know, he'll sit there and shoot the shit about his favorite team or talk about it. I always start talking about people's family right off the bat.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  Talk about the family. Kind of puts people on the same playing field.

• 30:47Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  Not a game, just a reality.

• 30:50Joe Rogan?

  No, I understand. I get it. Well, that sounds like a fun thing to just drive around and go to people's restaurants and see how they do things and see the history behind it and what was their dream? How satisfying is it to have this place and feed all these people?

• 31:08Speaker 01

  You meet the people, they're just... I mean, bring tears to your eyes. There's so many stories, so many, we've done like almost sixteen hundred locations. And it's just mind blowing to be in the restaurant business and to watch these people, what they've put into it and how many sacrifices they've made and then how many success stories we hear and it's just... It is probably one of the most fulfilling things I've ever done in my life. You know, it's really, I would have been done by now. Had it not, I mean, matter of fact, when we first started the show, I thought, oh, this would be fun to do for a couple of years. I'll probably run out of places. This show could live on forever.

• 31:49Joe Rogan?

  How many years have you been doing it now?

• 31:51Speaker 01

  Sixteen.

• 31:51Joe Rogan?

  Sixteen years. That's crazy.

• 31:58Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  But it does some great things for them.

• 32:01Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure it's great for their businesses, right?

• 32:03Speaker 01

  You know.

• 32:04Joe Rogan?

  Must be a huge boom.

• 32:05Speaker 01

  We're shooting right now. We're shooting in town right now.

• 32:07Joe Rogan?

  In Austin?

• 32:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, we just shot this morning.

• 32:09Joe Rogan?

  Where'd you shoot?

• 32:10Speaker 01

  Shot a place called the Bolden Creek Cafe, vegan joint. And I shouldn't even say it like that. I should just say Bolden Creek Cafe, an awesome restaurant.

• 32:20Joe Rogan?

  No, you should say vegan. You should let everybody know.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  Well, I say, but here's the thing, I think when I say vegan, people are like, oh, so you kind of gotta give them their shot. No?

• 32:31Joe Rogan?

  I wasn't thinking that. I was just thinking, you know, I have some vegan friends, if they only want to eat a vegan restaurant, I would take them there.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  It's so good, I'd just go eat there as it is. And that's what I, when I interview people at vegan restaurants or vegetarian restaurants, I'll say, "Do your non-vegan vegetarian friends come here?" Or I'll ask people, usually 50% of them that I'm talking to aren't vegan. They just go there because the food's great.

• 32:53Joe Rogan?

  There's a vegetarian place that I used to love to go to in Woodland Hills. That was a Indian joint, like, super authentic Indian. It was in this little strip mall, and I would go in there and every, all the menus in, you know, Hindi. Everybody was speaking. It was, you didn't, you kind of looked at the photos that they had of the dishes and just like, "That one, give me that one."

• 33:19Speaker 01

  Spicy, not spicy.

• 33:21Joe Rogan?

  All vegetarian, but like, super authentic. And, you know, that's not even necessarily what I'm interested in, but I would go there all the time.

• 33:30Speaker 01

  I want to eat great food. I want to eat food that's prepared correctly.

• 33:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  Um, so it's kind of like saying, I didn't mean to throw the vegan thing on it because really what it is, it's about great restaurants with really great people that own it, or people that have a good story. And then people that want to talk about what the food, they talk about what they do.

• 33:49Joe Rogan?

  Did you ask them why they decided to make a vegan restaurant?

• 33:53Speaker 01

  She's vegan. And she had a coffee shop, started with a coffee shop, and then was doing a little bit of food on the side. And then just continued to grow and make it bigger and bigger. It's so funny, I drive up and they got a big neon that says, um, "Caffeine Dealer." And I'm like, "That's my kind of energy. That's my kind of smart ass." You gotta, you gotta have fun with yourself. You gotta laugh about this shit. And, uh, just great character. I'm actually probably getting my ass kicked from the network right now, going through, telling about this ahead of time, but, no, there's great, you know, I haven't been to Austin in a few years shooting Triple D, but I'll come back to a city and new places have popped up. Or, we start to find out more about them.

• 34:32Joe Rogan?

  Have you been to Travis Barker's place?

• 34:34Speaker 01

  No.

• 34:35Joe Rogan?

  I've heard that place is phenomenal. And that's a fully vegan place in LA.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  It's-

• 34:40Joe Rogan?

  What's it called, Crossroads Cafe? Yeah, I've, I've heard from many of my friends. Like Dana White went there, he's like, "Dude, it's phenomenal. You, you can't believe it's vegan."

• 34:50Speaker 01

  That's the thing about it, is people have this stereotype about vegan food.

• 34:54Joe Rogan?

  For a good reason.

• 34:56Speaker 01

  You and I like, listen, you and I like wild game, you and I like meat and so forth. But if you really look about your.

• 35:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's just enough vegan people that are really annoying.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  That I won't disagree.

• 35:07Joe Rogan?

  There's enough that are wonderful people. Don't get me wrong, but there's a, there's a percentage of vegan people that are like hugely annoying.

• 35:14Speaker 01

  Well, and especially when they start, here's the thing.

• 35:16Joe Rogan?

  Proselytizing, yeah.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  Don't, don't push yourself into somebody else's lane. Do what you want to do and do what you love. But don't go and, don't, I'm not into preaching. I'm not into trying to change. Have your opinion, have your attitude.

• 35:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the problem with the whole vegan thing is that the people, they represent themselves as morally superior. And, you know, and it's not all of them. Some of them do it just because they're kind people and that's how they want to eat. And that's wonderful.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  I think that happens in a lot of different.

• 35:43Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  Sections, I mean, there's people about heavy metal. You know, you don't like heavy metal, you're an idiot.

• 35:48Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. There's people like that with yoga. They just started doing yoga, they want everybody to do yoga. Yeah, I get it.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  Well, I'll tell you a funny story.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  I was running restaurants down in, in Long Beach. And then I was in Redondo Beach. And I'm running a little restaurant down there called Luis's. Tiny little pasta joint, pizza and pasta. And there was a bunch of them in LA at the time. And then I eventually became the district manager for them. But, um, and I was young, I was very young in my career. But, um, Lois Gracie used to come in. The Gracie family was right down the street in Redondo Beach. And I remember somehow through a manager, through one of the guys, we got a UFC videotape. VHS. Someone had, I don't know what it was, I'd never seen it, I didn't even heard of it.

• 36:38Speaker 01

  And that was the first time that we ever came aware to, you know, this, and then, uh, who was it? Tank Abbott was down in Huntington Beach. And we used to go down, and I used to live by Huntington. So we used to go down there and the Tank Abbott thing and the T door, you know, this whole thing. But you know, I mean, you're so ingrained in it. You're such a massive part of it that, you know, if anybody wants to start getting on a high horse about stuff, I'm like, as soon as you know enough about it, and as soon as you have a platform that you really can say something, then speak your piece, but don't shove it down people's throat. I mean, I'm just not, you can do about anything.

• 37:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  You know.

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• 39:35Joe Rogan?

  That's a big one with people start doing jujitsu. They only want to tell everybody about jujitsu. The vegan thing though is like, I really do get it from their perspective, like as an ethical perspective. It's just one of those things where if there's a thing that you're trying to do, where you're trying to be kind, you're gonna get a certain percentage of people that start doing that that get annoying.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. I just choose not to listen to annoying people. I just tune it out. I don't have fucking time for it. I really don't have time for it. I mean, life, there's so much else going on in my life and so much else going on in this world. I think, why don't we start focusing all the good shit we can do? We can do so much great shit. If everybody would pivot themselves 10% and just go and look at, say, go, "Take everything you love and then go do that more."

• 40:22Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  And be worried less about what somebody's saying about you, or what's going on on social media, or whatever this other shit may be. Just go do something positive.

• 40:30Joe Rogan?

  It's a social media contagion. It's a problem. It's a real problem.

• 40:34Speaker 01

  When will it break, is the question? Like, when will it stop being the center of shit? When people just start looking at it and go, "Okay, we're done. We've had enough of it. It's run its course. It's been poisonous enough." It's a, I mean, there's positive things to it, don't get me wrong. I think there's some really good information that you can get from it. But the negative side of it, just because you have a plot, you have a key, you know, I always say to these, you know, I have young chefs that are on my shows, like, "Oh, yeah, somebody wrote about me." And I'm like, "A, quit reading about yourself. B, look at the source." Now, if I come up to you and I tell you that your food sucks, or I tell you that you're doing something that's wrong, you know, we're friends. You can maybe take my opinion with some, you know, some credit. But the fuck, you know, the jerk-off that's writing about you in his mom's basement, eating Cheetos in

• 41:18Speaker 01

  his underwear, you know, clucking away, telling you how much you suck. So, do you really care what that guy thinks?

• 41:23Joe Rogan?

  The problem is that people see it written down and they think it's almost like, like a valid source. And then they have to combat it. But you're gonna combat... Thirty-five million people, or however many million people are tweeting about things.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  And how many extra accounts they have.

• 41:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a lot of that, and there's a lot of people that aren't even real. But it's also, it's just that the, the, the nature of it highlights negativity. Because the nature of this platform, what gets traction is things that make people upset.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Well, it's what media used, I mean, it still is. You don't hear the front page of the paper talking about all the good that somebody does, and all the money they've raised, or all the benefit they've given, or all the experiences they've offered.

• 42:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  What you hear about is the

• 42:09Joe Rogan?

  Negative.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  The, the death.

• 42:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a problem because it's monetized, right? It's a problem because that's how people make money. And they don't think of it in terms of the impact that it's having on the culture. But if, if what you're Yeah, I mean, that's, that's how they're making money. They make money by getting people, or it used to be, by getting people to buy newspapers and tune into the news. And because of that, what, what's gonna get people's eyes glued? Not positive stories and inspirational stories, but rather whatever the chaos is, anywhere in the world. And exaggerate it to make it the most salacious, and the most ridiculous, and

• 42:46Speaker 01

  How much can we spend, regardless if it's true or not? I mean, that's what's been killing me, is all of the truth, not truth. Where is the, like, where's the medium? Like, who's the governing body? Like, is anybody gonna hold anybody's, you know, feet to the fire on this? And could there not? I wish there could be a punishment, like, you lied!

• 43:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's up to us. It's up to us to ignore them. Once you know that they're full of shit, and once you know that they lie, take away their power. The way you take away their power is just not pay attention to them. And they do it to themselves. I mean, in, in general, mainstream media has kind of, over the last, you know, eight, nine years, has exposed themselves as being wholly corrupt. Very corrupt and full of lies and propaganda, and ignoring positive aspects of people because they don't fit with your political agenda, it's just And it has a negative effect downstream of the entire civilization because it's just like

• 43:40Joe Rogan?

  everybody's at everybody's throats and they're it's they're being fed all this negativity. First through mainstream media and then it's all accentuated by Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and it's ugh.

• 43:55Speaker 01

  No, it's poisonous and it poisons the culture and fortunately there's it's we're moving away from it, but there's still is.

• 44:01Joe Rogan?

  Are we?

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Well, I think there's a mass group that is still, you know, buying into it and being the sheep and going along with it. You're not following it, I'm not following it.

• 44:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but we're public people. It's like it's wise for your health to not follow it, you know?

• 44:16Speaker 01

  True, but I hope and again, I don't have any prescription to it. I follow the same mantra you're saying. Quit tuning in, quit paying attention, quit passing it along, you know, quit reading the bullshit. You don't know if it's true or not, just do just talk about what you know and talk about what you believe and be who you are and quit trying to just keep it quit negative shit, just you know, keep it out of your mouth.

• 44:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's just it's it's a problem because it's so addictive, you know, it's people are constantly checking it and when you're bored, you immediately grab your phone and then what do you do? You open up social media like what's everybody yelling at? What are they what are they upset about?

• 44:56Speaker 01

  What's your social media that you go to?

• 44:58Joe Rogan?

  Mostly Twitter because it's the only one that's free in terms of like free speech, like legitimate free speech. Call it X, whatever. I'm still gonna call it Twitter.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  I hate when they say Twitter, X fully known as Twitter. Okay, it's been two years, three years.

• 45:14Joe Rogan?

  I know, but nobody calls it X. Very few people call it X. Everybody calls it Twitter.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  Why do you change it anyway?

• 45:20Joe Rogan?

  Because he's crazy. Same reason why he bought it.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  I saw the picture of you shooting the bow at the Tesla. That's crazy.

• 45:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 45:27Speaker 01

  I heard the fire, the tip came right off and came right back at you.

• 45:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it blew apart. Yeah, it's it's thick steel.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  Do you think it was gonna go through?

• 45:34Joe Rogan?

  I think if I had a reinforced arrow, so like, you know, there's companies that made like super durable, like much heavier grain arrows and maybe an iron will broadhead, but like a single bevel, two blade. I had a three blade, too much of a big cutting surface. I need a smaller surface. I thought about it for a lot afterwards.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  And I may try it again with goggles on and behind a.

• 46:01Joe Rogan?

  Nah, I wasn't worried about it hitting me, but it's uh, it's pretty impressive. I mean, you could actually shoot a, I think you could shoot a forty. What did, what?

• 46:13Joe Rogan?

  What, what like round will that, I don't wanna lie, I know nine millimeter will bounce right off of it, but like what round is that?

• 46:20Speaker 01

  Will a nine millimeter bounce off it?

• 46:21Joe Rogan?

  Bounce right off of it.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  No.

• 46:22Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  But not the windows?

• 46:25Joe Rogan?

  No, not the windows, no.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  What do it cost to get the windows done?

• 46:28Joe Rogan?

  You can get the windows done, easy.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  I've driven one.

• 46:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  I heard they're amazing. My buddy has one, he says.

• 46:34Joe Rogan?

  I drove my Tesla here today.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  Oh, you have one?

• 46:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't have a Cybertruck, I have a Model S.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  He says you push the button and the car will come get ya.

• 46:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, it'll do that, okay. Um, the body was in nine millimeter handgun, twenty-two caliber rifle, has not bulletproof against all calibers. So when you get higher, like an AR-15, a fit, well, fifty caliber, of course, is gonna penetrate everything. Uh, truck's metal, also crack of shots are fired close together.

• 47:03Joe Rogan?

  But either way, why would you do that? Why, why are you making a car like that, you fucking psycho? Like, it's really kinda crazy, and I think you can't sell them in some countries because they're, it's like, they're so durable, that it's like a danger to other cars on the road. Cause like, you would hope that like, if a, a, a Celica hits a Prius, they're both kinda, kinda crush equally.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  Where'd you pick up Celica?

• 47:31Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  That dates us.

• 47:32Joe Rogan?

  People still have those.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  Celicas were awesome!

• 47:35Joe Rogan?

  I heard they're remaking that. That's why. I, I heard that they're gonna bring back a Celica.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  Celicas are awesome back in the day. What was your favorite of all-time American muscle car?

• 47:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's hard, that's hard. I love them. I got a lot of them. I love, are they bringing back Celica?

• 47:54Joe Rogan?

  Just an AI. Might be a AI thing.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  I heard something about it.

• 47:59Joe Rogan?

  I don't have a favorite, but it's all, I like between early, you can get as low as sixty-five for a couple of them. Like I have a sixty-five Corvette that I love. And then I think you get as old as seventy-one if you get into like the Barracudas and the Challengers, some of the Mopars. But by seventy-one, most of the Fords and the Chevys had fallen apart. For whatever reason, I think because they stopped doing drugs. That's what I think. I have a theory. I have my psychedelic theory. Cause it's if you look at those.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  I've heard a lot of reasons they've stopped. More EPA issues.

• 48:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, EPA issues as well, but why make them ugly? You can make them feel efficient without making them so ugly. Like they, something happened. They lost their design language and everything started being flat and boring. You know, except Corvette. Corvette is another one. Like Corvette, like they made good looking Corvettes deep into the seventies. Cause they still have that curvy body. Um, but if I had like, I don't know, I don't.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Well, bow tie, Mopar or Ford?

• 49:03Joe Rogan?

  I love them all. I'm not picking one. I just, I love them all. Man, I have a seventy Cuda. I love that. I have a sixty-eight Mustang. I love that. I just, I just love that era of automobile. And it's just like, it's also that era of culture. I love the music and the fact that life was chaotic. And you know, there were so many changes in the culture. There were so many changes in society. Yeah.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  Each year made.

• 49:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, they went from Buddy Holly to Jimi Hendrix in a decade. And everything was like, what is, what, what's, what's the baseline now?

• 49:42Speaker 01

  My favorite movie is that Buddy Holly movie.

• 49:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah?

• 49:45Speaker 01

  With Gary Busey. Remember that Buddy Holly and the Crickets and Gary Busey? Oh, it was great. That was a great flick. Um, no, I brought the uh, Triple D Camaro. That's, I brought it, I drove it over.

• 49:55Joe Rogan?

  What is the Triple D Camaro?

• 49:56Speaker 01

  Sixty-eight Camaro. It's a sixty-eight Camaro on an LT4. So it's basically a two thousand and twenty-two Corvette. With a sixty-eight body on it.

• 50:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  And I made two of them. I've had a few different cars inside of the show.

• 50:09Joe Rogan?

  Did you take like the, the new Camaro and cut the body panels off and put the new ones on?

• 50:13Speaker 01

  Took an old sixty-eight. Here it is.

• 50:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  That's me driving it out too. So we just made that car. I made two of them. No, that's not, that's not the picture of that, but it is that car. So we made two of them. I had that one for the longest time.

• 50:28Joe Rogan?

  So you put a different chassis in it and everything?

• 50:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, Detroit Racing's.

• 50:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, great, great.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  But it's, uh, I mean, it's just a monster, LT4, Tramic 5-speed. It's just, but my boys were sitting there.

• 50:39Joe Rogan?

  That's what I like, restomods.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 50:41Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to drive something with drum brakes. It doesn't stop. Those are stupid.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Well, it's so funny to think, I have a, uh, Band, I have a Trans Am and, uh, you know, Bandit car. And it's great and I love it and it's a great car, but you, and you, you drive it and it's so nostalgic to drive it. It feels so good and it doesn't rattle and all that. But boy, you know, my assistant's Camry can, you know, could probably take it from the line.

• 51:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, a Model 3 will leave you in the dust, a Tesla.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  Those Teslas are fast as shit.

• 51:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's, I mean, as far as pure performance, there's nothing like those things. Everything else is stupid. But I, oh, is this what it is? Is this real?

• 51:21Speaker 04

  Nothing official's been announced about the Celica.

• 51:23Joe Rogan?

  Damn, that looks good.

• 51:26Speaker 04

  6, uh, speed, manual transmission.

• 51:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's Forbes, dude. Click on Forbes.

• 51:32Speaker 04

  It's not showing up. It's every, I've tried to click on it a million times. I'm only getting, uh, I have to get the ads out of it. And then there's no pictures that show up.

• 51:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, the one below it looks like, that one that says 2025, that looks like a dark horse Mustang. That doesn't even look like a Toyota.

• 51:46Speaker 04

  Most of these are all like, I think, AI-generated pictures.

• 51:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a lot of that. There's a lot of those.

• 51:52Speaker 01

  Weirdo.

• 51:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  You go on and you can, I fell for the, uh, Scarface 2 movie.

• 51:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, did you?

• 51:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was something going on. Maybe I had a couple of shots of Santos drinking a little bit. But I was like, Scarface 2, and they did this whole AI thing and I'm like, nah.

• 52:07Joe Rogan?

  What I've been loving is little people, little three, Theo Von as a baby. What's that? Oh, yeah, Theo Von as a baby is my absolute favorite. The, the AI babies that take like podcast clips and have babies.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  The things, we were just having a security discussion the other day about, you know, having so many words of mine on the internet or on TV or whatever, and then someone could put together a whole sentence. And, you know, the security person said, you know, what would you do if they sent a message to your wife and made it sound like you? I travel a lot. I'm, you know, so and so, and, you know, I need such, I'm in, I'm in Mexico and I need 100,000 bucks. I'm, you know, locked up. What would you guys do? You know, and I'm like, that's a real thing. Like, no, that is a real thing. They're starting to extort money from people and, you know, granted, they're usually doing it to older people and so forth, but it's a real, this AI threat's a real thing.

• 53:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's one of the real things. Yeah, we, we're gonna encounter a lot of unprecedented challenges to reality over the next few years. And there's nothing you could do about it. I mean, they're, they're gonna try to figure out ways to stop it while it's happening, but, you know.

• 53:17Speaker 01

  I think they're farther ahead of us.

• 53:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the talk technology is just, it's reality bending technology. You could essentially, right now, just from the podcast that you and I have had so far, us talking, you could have us say anything forever. We, we, they could do podcasts where you and I discuss fucking computer chips, the construction of them, and, and, and, and have

• 53:45Joe Rogan?

  conversations about nuanced details of the technology that we don't understand. And it could be anything, a big foreign policy. You could, you could talk about anything. And it would all be AI-generated and no one would be able to tell. You, I, there's, there's a whole podcast out there of me talking to Steve Jobs. I never met Steve Jobs.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  No shit?

• 54:04Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  Not no shit, you didn't meet Steve Jobs. No shit, but no shit on both of them.

• 54:08Joe Rogan?

  Forty-five minute podcast of me and Steve Jobs having a conversation. I never met him.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 54:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they could do anything with your voice, man. And it's like a little weird, like you can kind of tell it's fake, but this is like, remember, or imagine, if you go back like just a few years ago, the AI-generated deep fakes of celebrities were super obvious. And now they're not obvious at all.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  Remember the Tom Cruise one? That was the one that was.

• 54:32Joe Rogan?

  That was interesting, yeah.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was one, the first one I ever saw. No, it's, and we're just on the cusp of it. I think it's even deeper and more convoluted, more screwed up than we know, but it's going to become something we're gonna have to face because they're just. They're so far ahead of our legislation that's even interested in trying to control. I don't think they even know what to control. It's scary shit.

• 54:53Joe Rogan?

  It is, but it's also like, what is reality going to be? Because what you're seeing right now is just a visual representation of what AI can do. But what about once it starts being able to recreate experiences? Cause that's coming. I mean, whether it's 20 years or 50 years, there's gonna come a time, if you stay alive long enough, where you're not gonna have to experience things. You're gonna be able to sit down and, you know, just like the Matrix, it's just gonna plug you in and you're gonna experience something.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. We're a little bit of the same age. Do you not trip out that Dick Tracy had a Square Watch that looked like an Apple Watch?

• 55:32Joe Rogan?

  It's kinda crazy, yeah. Maybe we talked to it and everybody's like, that's nuts. He's talking to his watch.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  Okay, so did we, alright, this is like we should be drinking or something should be going on. What happened? Did Apple just, did we influence enough Apple people that they just decided to make it a Square Watch and make it look like Dick Tracy's watch? Or did the Dick Tracy thing, did we already make the watch? And did somebody go back, back and, I mean, do you ever sit there and trip on shit like that?

• 55:55Joe Rogan?

  I definitely don't.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  You don't?

• 55:56Joe Rogan?

  No, not about that. I think Square is just a normal, it's a normal shape for a frame.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  Not a watch you talk into, though.

• 56:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's just a screen. It's just a tiny screen. Yeah, but the Star Trek thing was a fucking walkie talkie. Kirk out and they'd hang up.

• 56:12Speaker 01

  But then we made the Star Tech.

• 56:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But that was also, you know, life imitating art.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 56:20Joe Rogan?

  It's not art imitating.

• 56:21Speaker 01

  So, okay, well, we'll go back to Matrix then. Cause I think of the Matrix things all the time. Like, how, how real, how possible is that? We used to watch that cartoon, there was a movie my kid watched when he was little, about the people that all went and lived. It wasn't too long, it was maybe 10, 15 years ago. About the people all lived in a spaceship and the little robot in the plant grew and everybody was heavyset, nobody walked. They were all in space. What is it called? Was it Wally? About the little robot thing?

• 56:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the movie, yeah.

• 56:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, the movie thing?

• 56:53Joe Rogan?

  Pixar movie.

• 56:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you sit there and look at that stuff and you're like, wow.

• 56:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what's really happening.

• 57:01Speaker 01

  Okay, so you didn't buy my Dick Tracy idea, but I think that the, uh, the other stuff is, I don't know.

• 57:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, when you think about where this is all headed, there's only a few different directions that one could go to, and simulated reality is a big one. I, I think that's inevitable. Like, cause I think you're gonna get more sedentary people, more people that are very uncomfortable with their own lives and wanna live a different life, and then you're gonna be able to have experiences. Just like when kids play Call of Duty all day long. Like, what are they doing? They're, they're playing war with zero consequences, where they're able to kill people with zero consequences, get killed, respawn, and they're doing it all day long just for the experience. Well, uh, what, what happens when that experience is, is far more vivid?

• 57:49Joe Rogan?

  You're feeling things, you feel gravity, you feel, your feet feel the concrete underneath you and the gravel you're stepping on. They're gonna be able to recreate all that stuff. Whether they do it with an implant, or what they do with a helmet that you wear that sort of interacts with your brain, sends signals into your visual cortex, and recreates experiences. It's coming.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  You're taking this way past my Dick Tracy watch thing.

• 58:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look at this robot.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  Oh, I saw this yesterday.

• 58:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look at this dancing robot. That looks so weird. It's so weird because they're moving like a human moves, and then eventually they're gonna realize this human design kinda sucks. Let's, let's make something that's better than a human.

• 58:30Speaker 01

  She, the one where the robot whacked out? The AI robot went crazy and they were trying to stop it?

• 58:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, fl- it started jukeinin' on everybody?

• 58:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, it's gonna be powered by AI, and AI's not gonna probably have the best opinion of us, cause a lot of us are annoying.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  Deep shit.

• 58:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's weird.

• 58:51Speaker 01

  We were talking about food and cars and...

• 58:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  That's deep.

• 58:55Joe Rogan?

  It's a weird time. It's a weird time for change. Because we're like riding this technological wave and we don't know when it's gonna break and where it's gonna break. What's gonna happen?

• 59:05Speaker 01

  Are we cart and horse and are we horse and buggy and automobile? I mean, is that the, is that the energy or is that the space that we're in? Think about all those people that were in that era.

• 59:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but those buggies are shit. They went forty-five miles an hour.

• 59:17Speaker 01

  They were pretty amazing for somebody that didn't, there's no horse at the end of it. And it's driving you down the road. It's, what's that noise? What's that pop?

• 59:24Joe Rogan?

  What I'm getting at is I think that the change is gonna be way more radical than just going from a horse to a, to a Model T. I think it's gonna be, we're not, you know, there's a lot of people that believe we're already in a simulation. And not a lot of people like kooks and people with schizophrenia, but like actual real scientists, including Elon, he said that the odds of us not being in a simulation are in the billions. Cause the idea is that if technology increases, one day there will be a simulation that will be so good, you will not be able to distinguish whether or not it's real. And so then the question is, when will you know whether that's taken place?

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• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  The Matrix.

• 1:01:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  Essentially what The Matrix was.

• 1:01:42Joe Rogan?

  Similar.

• 1:01:42Speaker 01

  But that's that same thing I was saying about Dick Tracy watch. When, where did that come from?

• 1:01:48Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that was- The Dick Tracy watch seems kinda obvious. It's a square.

• 1:01:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I'm just still saying that-

• 1:01:53Joe Rogan?

  Like a TV, your TV's a square.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  Most watches were round, then all of a sudden it became a square. I don't know. Anyhow, not to get stuck on that.

• 1:01:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's because it's crazy. It's sci-fi. Look, it's a square. Like, look at the Jetsons.

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  But I go back to the thing with the, somebody, I mean, you were talking about people doing drugs and designing cars. Who sat around and said, "Okay, let's make up this movie where you take the pill, and you're in the system, you're out of the system, we're plugging in the back of the head. You grow energy. You, you are the energy source now. Like, we use cowls for, you know, grinding grain. Are we gonna become that?" and so forth. Do you think about that? When, what was that, Matrix, 20 years ago, 25 years ago?

• 1:02:29Joe Rogan?

  At least.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  That's pretty advanced.

• 1:02:31Joe Rogan?

  The Matrix is in the 90s, right? What year was that, Jamie? 95?

• 1:02:36Speaker 04

  No, no, it was 99.

• 1:02:38Joe Rogan?

  99?

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  But still.

• 1:02:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  What we know about AI, we can look at and go make sense.

• 1:02:43Speaker 04

  March 31st, 99.

• 1:02:44Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure they wrote it even earlier than that. So, yeah, and back then, no one had any, I mean, we, so if you're dealing with 99, that's the infancy of the internet itself. You know, with the internet-

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  Pretty big thinking.

• 1:02:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, I stumbled across this when we were talking about something the other day. This guy wrote a book in 1960 called The Man-Computer Symbiosis, which is a very early idea of what The Matrix, I think, kind of evolved.

• 1:03:08Joe Rogan?

  A concept of a human-computer collaboration, and this is 1960, where computers would augment human capabilities in decision-making and complex tasks. This vision involved computers facilitating both the solution of formulated problems and the formulation of problems themselves, essentially creating a partnership where humans and computers could work together more efficient or more effectively than either could alone. Well, that's happening right now. That's already happening.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  1960.

• 1:03:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's real. What was the guy's name?

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  Lick.

• 1:03:42Speaker 04

  Lick lighter, JCR Lick lighter.

• 1:03:45Joe Rogan?

  Strange name, Mr. Lick lighter. Yeah, man, computer symbiosis. Look at that guy. Look at him. He looks like the type of guy would think up shit like that.

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  Lick lighter.

• 1:03:57Joe Rogan?

  Looks like he'd be trolling for prostitutes, too.

• 1:04:01Joe Rogan?

  Just saying. I mean, maybe he did. Of course he didn't. I'm sure he didn't.

• 1:04:07Joe Rogan?

  It looks like one of those guys. It's just a, it's a very tumultuous time because the change is coming so fast and no one knows what to do with it. You know, and they, there's not enough laws to really stop it. And even if you did have the laws, China's not gonna stop, Russia's not gonna stop.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  And who, who do you go to for an answer? I mean, it's like, there's so many people that are so susceptible to it. And it's just free will. I mean, it's just, it's out there and people don't even know how to harness it or even understand what you're getting duped into or whatever the case may be. It's like the things that people are putting on the internet and it lives in perpetuity. I mean, it's not going anywhere.

• 1:04:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is all surface level stuff. The really crazy stuff is control of the power grid, alternative technology, alternative power sources. Like, it's, it's gonna get very, very, very strange. Inside of our lifetime. But people are always gonna need food, bro.

• 1:05:06Joe Rogan?

  You know, AI is not gonna make you a yummy sandwich.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  Give them time.

• 1:05:10Joe Rogan?

  You think?

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  Nah, I don't, you know.

• 1:05:12Joe Rogan?

  There's something about handmade things that people are always gonna enjoy. Human beings know that someone, it's like when you go to a nice restaurant, you have a nice meal, one of the things you know is that a person did this. It's part of it. Like, damn, they nailed it. You know, when you're eating a perfectly cooked steak, oh, this guy nailed this, you know?

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  Well, it's listening to, it depends on your kind of music, but listening to music when somebody's up there riffing a guitar versus somebody making a guitar sound.

• 1:05:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, you're experiencing the person performing. Like, you're watching someone up there jamming.

• 1:05:46Speaker 01

  I think the big thing in food, like, one of my positions on it, and I always tell people, you know, like, oh, you're the guy that does that show about deep fried cheeseburgers and pizza. I'm like, no, no, you don't watch the show enough if that's what you think, because I'm super opinionated about, not opinionated, but I have a real... Responsibility, I think, to show the profile of food in the world, or, you know, in the United States. And we've gotta get our shit straight about what we're eating. We're just, we can't eat this processed food. I mean, processed food is, you're not eating it. I mean, we gotta eat the basics and eat great food and eat great food made correctly. But something that was made a long time ago, don't get me wrong, there's a place for everything. There's a place for fast food, there's a place for, you know, things that are pre-made and so forth. But it can't be all of one thing.

• 1:06:31Speaker 01

  But people need to eat better. And, you know, you being a hunter and myself, I talk to people about it all the time. You know, this is a reality that if you eat things that are modified, I'm not saying genetically modified doesn't have a place, but it can't be all the same stuff. And if we don't watch it, we're gonna get ourselves in some deep shit. And we're already in deep shit. Cancer's, you know, where's the heart attack? Where's the stuff that was plaguing us for so many generations? And now this cancer, I think I lost my sister to cancer, I lost my dad to cancer. Have some, I run into more people on a daily basis that are, you know, stricken with cancer. And I think food has a, you know, the type of food and what's put on the food has a big, big play, so.

• 1:07:11Joe Rogan?

  It's definitely a factor. There's a lot of factors. There's environmental factors, there's toxins, herbicides, pesticides, there's a lot of different factors. I was just reading this thing about golf courses that if, or watching a video, rather, on golf courses, that if you live within a certain radius of a golf course, you're, you have a much higher possibility of getting Parkinson's disease.

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  No shit?

• 1:07:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, here it is. Parkinson's risk higher for those living close to a golf course. What does it say, 126%?

• 1:07:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:45Joe Rogan?

  Wow. So, I found people living within one mile of a golf course have 126% higher risk of developing, developing, what happened?

• 1:07:57Joe Rogan?

  A 126% higher risk of developing Parkinson's disease compared to living more than six miles away, said co-author Dr. Ray Dorsey, a neurologist and the director of the Center for the Brain and the Environment at Atria Health and Research Institute, New York. This isn't the first study that links Parkinson's disease with pesticides. This just adds additional evidence that this isn't just happening among farmers. This is happening to people living in suburban areas that have an increased risk of getting Parkinson's disease, simply because of where they live. That's crazy. But they're not the ones to bring the pesticides. It's like secondhand smoke. They're just basically breathing it in or consuming it

• 1:08:39Joe Rogan?

  in the water that they're drinking. I met a guy once that he had bone cancer and he had to have one of his bones in his legs replaced with a rod. And he said that there's an enormous percentage of people in his neighborhood that had bone cancer and all kinds of different cancers. And it was all linked to this golf course. The runoff from the golf course had gotten into the water table, into the water supply of all these people. Yeah, it's dangerous and that shit's not even legal in a lot of countries. That's what's crazy. That's glyphosate. And that is not, I think they're linking this golf course thing to glyphosate as well, aren't they?

• 1:09:18Speaker 04

  It's just pesticides in general. I'm even looking at now, this is like a contentious new study, which obviously it would be, but I'm trying to see what the contention is or why.

• 1:09:28Joe Rogan?

  You know what's spooky, man? It's like, there's a lot of rich folks live on golf courses and they think like, hey, what a great life. And are you opening, I wonder what, how many more of those fuckers are getting Parkinson's disease because of that? Scary shit, man.

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  You think about the other countries, we don't talk about a lot in our country, but what they ban in other countries of our products and just how they're holding the line. I remember when I lived in France, I was, I lived right outside of Paris in a town called Chantilly. We'd call it Chantilly, which is a term, chantilly lay, chantilly cream that comes from. But I remember I was there, I was 16, and I wrote my parents and I'm like, food just tastes different here. I mean, I don't care if it's a steak and a potato. It just tastes different. I mean, like it.

• 1:10:13Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's grass fed steak.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  It was.

• 1:10:15Joe Rogan?

  They don't have grain fed steak over there. I I noticed that the first time I went to Australia, I had a steak. I'm like, this tastes like game.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  It was crazy. Everything tastes. And we didn't have, it's funny, cause we go to school. The lunch that we had at school was the, cause I lived in this, kind of this boarding house. I rented a room from this family. They and they were terrible cooks. You'd think you'd go to France, everybody cooked good. But anyhow, I I went to high school. I looked forward to lunch at school. It was the best school lunch in the world. You'd sit at a table like this. There were eight kids and they would come by with a cart and they'd put down a hotel pan full of, you know, the whatever vegetable, whatever starch, whatever meat. We'd sit there and we had all the French bread we could eat. And it was just like, I looked forward to it so much. It was such great food. And I just never got it. Well, and then I got older and started cooking and I kind of went, oh, really? So that funny thing was I went back to France.

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  Twenty five, thirty years later, took my oldest son Hunter with me. We did a whole tour through Europe when he graduated high school. I took him to uh seven countries and fourteen cities in uh thirty days. And we did this whole tour of where food came from. But I took him back to Chantilly and I went to the grocery store. Cause my my best friend from school still live there and I walked into the grocery store. And what had been a grocery store full of huge aisles of fresh produce and breads and everything you could imagine. Was now just freezer, freezer, freezer, freezer, freezer, freezer.

• 1:11:39Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:11:40Speaker 01

  And I said to Vince, I go, and he's Vincent, I said Vincent, what? Qu'est-ce que c'est? What? And he's like, gonna be more like Americans. That was his, you know, kind of joking. But it had changed so dramatically. I was like, this is like not, it was shattering.

• 1:11:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think. Fresh food is really the only thing that people are supposed to be actually eating all the time. Real food, it's, I mean, the more that you can get to a farmer's market, the more that you can have relationships with ranchers and and people that actually provide you food, the healthier you're going to be. And the further you get away from the source, the more you're gonna have preservatives, the more you're gonna have processed food. Stay away from the inside of the supermarket, all that stuff on the inside, I mean, there's condiments and stuff, but most of it's bullshit. The outside, vegetables, meats, eggs, all that stuff that's on the outside. All that refrigerated area on the outside, that's all you're supposed to be actually eating.

• 1:12:37Joe Rogan?

  All that stuff that's in the middle is just fucking your life up for the most part. Obviously, it's a generalization. Plenty of good stuff in the middle.

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think that there is circumstances, not everybody has the same budget and so forth, but I do believe that the reality of it is, is education is a big thing. You know, education for people about what to do with real food and how to handle it and so forth, and, you know, I remember Home Ec was a great class when I was a sophomore in high school. Home Ec, I took Home Ec. It was, you know, almost all girls, but I was in it because I wanted, you know, see what the, I didn't want to sew, but I did want to learn, you know, how to make a blackberry pie. And I just think those simple fundamentals should still be something that are taught in schools, like just how to make a roasted chicken. Like, give them six months of roasting chicken, you know, how do you cook a potato, you know, just the basics, because there's a lot of people that,

• 1:13:30Speaker 01

  you know, my son included, my, my son Ryder, you know, we did a, we did a crash course. I always made him cook with me in the kitchen, but it was usually begrudgingly, you know, he'd make things that he'd like to make pizza, let's make pizza, you know, tacos. But even that little thing like how to sear a steak, you know, what's done, what's not done, what's oversea, what's, you know, those things, we, we, we're missing that. You know, so you said go to AI food, I mean.

• 1:13:54Speaker 01

  Scary shit.

• 1:13:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we've been bamboozled, you know, and corporations, you know, the same corporations that used to, well, still do, own tobacco companies, bought out all these big processed food corporations. And then they start, I mean, this is something that RFK Jr.'s talked in depth about. And then they started using the same tactics to get people hooked on these processed foods. And these processed foods are essentially designed to make them incredibly addictive. And they're cheap, and people just consume them en masse, and it becomes a large percentage of the calories you take in. It's gonna take a long time for people to adjust and switch away from that, because it's easy to destroy something, it's very hard to rebuild, and they've kind of destroyed

• 1:14:39Joe Rogan?

  our health, and...

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  But it goes hand in hand, because when you start thinking about, you know, this cancer thing, and how devastating it is, and I can't really solve this? You know, and then you listen to some other sides that'll say, you know, big business, you don't make money curing people, you know, it's one and done, it's over, you know? I don't know, it weirds me out, but I think that we have, you know, you've got such a massive platform, and I talked, you heard my little pitch there at the beginning of Food Network, real food for real people. I'm not saying these restaurants I shoot on Triple D, you should go eat every single day, because not every one of them is, you know, always the healthiest situation. I think you need to have a good balance between things, but it's okay to have indulgence,

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  it's okay to, you know, it's okay to have your pizza, you know, your pizza experience, but we just need to get back to some balance of it, because we're imbalanced, is my feeling.

• 1:15:37Joe Rogan?

  But then again, you're always gonna have bad examples that are good for people to realize, I don't want to live like that guy's living. You want to see someone who's like morbidly obese, terrible diet, no enthusiasm for life...

• 1:15:53Joe Rogan?

  Because they're poisoned, you know, and you and then you see a guy who's like super healthy and exercising all the times, got tons of energy like. That's what I like, like you need to see bad examples too. It's part of the human experience.

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  Moderation is my favorite thing that I talk about, you know, I got into. I don't know about three or four years ago, got into cold plunge and thank you, by the way, you're a great advocate and you're a great. You you were a great inspiration on it. I started doing it and then everybody would tell me that you're doing it. So I listened to what some of the things. I do it in the morning. It's great. You said it is.

• 1:16:24Joe Rogan?

  It's a life changer.

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  It it some mornings it sucks. I mean, like I really have to force myself.

• 1:16:29Joe Rogan?

  It sucks every day.

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  I'm going into this, this is bullshit, you know, okay, I'll just get through five minutes and I'm good. You know, I'll just listen to Paul Harvey. I listen to Paul Harvey in the morning. That's my favorite.

• 1:16:38Joe Rogan?

  Really? Paul Harvey? Why Paul Harvey?

• 1:16:40Speaker 01

  Rest of the story.

• 1:16:42Joe Rogan?

  Why Paul Harvey?

• 1:16:43Speaker 01

  Um. Cause I love history. And I love to learn the little nuances of how things came about. And it was something reminds me of my childhood, you know, we'd listen to it in in shop class when I was in high school. And it was always that quick little in between break, you know, they were syndicated. Pretty, I don't know, interesting guy. There's a whole bunch out there.

• 1:17:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he was great.

• 1:17:08Speaker 01

  I listen to music too. I have my set of music that I listen to that I know this is I'm gonna do a ten minute plunge or twelve minute plunge, you know, depending on the song and. If I can keep myself out of it, because as soon as I start worrying about it, it's like thinking I'm cold. But I don't do it your temperature. You do a crazy temperature. I do like thirty eight, thirty nine. You're I heard you're like in.

• 1:17:26Joe Rogan?

  I do whatever.

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  No, I heard you're in the thirty threes.

• 1:17:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:29Speaker 01

  It's fucking, that's nuts.

• 1:17:31Joe Rogan?

  It's no different.

• 1:17:32Speaker 01

  It's just cold.

• 1:17:33Joe Rogan?

  It's just cold. It's no different.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  I was telling your buddies earlier, so I have friends that'll come and do it. I started with my cold punch. I started with a watering trough. And put ice in it.

• 1:17:41Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:17:42Speaker 01

  So that was the way I started. You know, you get that little thermal barrier around you. It's awesome.

• 1:17:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  Okay, and then you have to, you know, you gotta move or something. Okay, you move, now you're cool. Then I went to a freezer, built one out of a freezer.

• 1:17:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like a, like one of them big game freezers?

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, Big West, In Your House, or whatever it was. Freezer, little filter in it, had a little thermostat. You'd plug the freezer into the thermostat and then the thermostat into the wall and then it would, and you put a little temperature in there and it would regulate itself so it didn't turn into a block of ice. But every time I got in, I had to unplug it because they're not UL rated for humans to be in them, you know?

• 1:18:15Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  So then a buddy of mine, this guy Jamie Week, sent me one, sent me one from Sweat House, his company. And then I got in real cold plunge. Well, that water circulates. That's a game.

• 1:18:28Joe Rogan?

  What difference is like a Blue Cube, like Blue Cube is one we have out here. That one, you can turn into a raging river. It's got different selections. So you can have like a little, if you get in it normal, it's just a slow, steady circulation, not, not, not, nothing crazy. But you can click that bitch one or two, and at two, it's that motherfucker's a raging river.

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  It's just rolling on you?

• 1:18:54Joe Rogan?

  And it's hard to do a minute in that bitch. It's hard to do a minute.

• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  Cause you do get that little thermal barrier.

• 1:18:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's no barrier in the Blue Cube.

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  No, this one is called Plunge. They're out of Sacramento. These guys, uh, great, great tub.

• 1:19:05Joe Rogan?

  The thing about it is like, I don't know what the benefit is, other than it's sucking more. I think your body temperature stays the same because it's like, just by, I guess, you don't feel as bad because your body, like in a regular cold plunge, because your body develops that thermal barrier. But you're still cold as shit and you get all the benefits. I don't think you have to suffer through that raging river thing. But if you want the mental benefits, the benefits of overcoming adversity and the ability to just force yourself to do something that's intolerable, then I would recommend doing that. If you're one of those people that really enjoys torturing themselves, get a Blue Cube.

• 1:19:45Speaker 01

  I push people on this, and so they'll get, I was telling you guys, so a buddy come over and, I'm not doing it, I'm doing, just do one minute. If you do one minute, I'll get off, I will quit busting your balls about it, about you being, you know, okay, get in there. So then I'll start talking to my, okay, I got a timer going. And they'll go, okay, well, you know, talk about this and I'm freezing my ass off. Okay, give me your favorite song. What's your favorite song? And then I'll look the song up, take my time. Hank Williams, Country Boy Can't Survive. Okay, okay. Ready? I'm gonna play it for you. You're doing good. You got, you just a few more, you got like thirty more seconds. It's already been two minutes. Play Country Boy Can't Survive. Okay. How many of the words do you know to this song? Oh, alright. Besides the hook, what do you know of the song? Okay. You know, I'll sit there and just mess with them. They'll go four minutes. And I'll say, "Okay, and stop."

• 1:20:30Speaker 01

  They go, "That was a minute?" Bullshit, that song's over, that's right. And I'm like, "No, it was like five and a half minutes, you see?"

• 1:20:36Joe Rogan?

  It's mental.

• 1:20:38Speaker 01

  It is mental.

• 1:20:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's mental. If you can distract yourself, it's-

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  That's why Paul Harvey-

• 1:20:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, that's why watching a movie while you're on a treadmill is a total cheat code. Cause if you can get like an iPad and put earplugs on and watch a movie, you'll get absorbed in the movie. You won't even be thinking about the fact that you're running.

• 1:20:57Speaker 01

  You know what I watch?

• 1:20:58Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:20:59Speaker 01

  Ridiculousness.

• 1:21:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's a good thing to watch.

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  I fucking love that.

• 1:21:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:03Speaker 01

  I love Ridiculousness. I went on there. I, to me, Deardick's comments are the funniest. Steelo Brim, all those guys, they've cracked me up. And, you know, except for having to fight through a commercial here and there, cause that'll remind you that you're still on the elliptical. Are you a treadmill guy or elliptical guy?

• 1:21:18Joe Rogan?

  I don't do either of those, generally. I mean, sometimes I'll do a treadmill with like a weighted pack on. I'll do like-

• 1:21:27Speaker 01

  Who do you use for a weighted pack?

• 1:21:28Joe Rogan?

  What do I use? Outdoorsman's. It's a, it's a pack that has a post on the back of it, so I can actually put like big plates on it.

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's fun.

• 1:21:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:41Speaker 01

  What kind of weight are you talking?

• 1:21:43Joe Rogan?

  Mostly when I go for long walks, I just put forty-five on, so the pack is probably five pounds and then the forty-five pound plate. Then I take the dog out. Um, but if I'm doing hardcore workouts, I put ninety on it, so I'll put two plates. And then, um, there's a great machine called, um, see if you can find it, Jamie. It's called the, I think it's called the Hit Sled. And you, uh, it's like you do a farmer's carry, so it has plate posts on either side and you lift it up and it's at an angle. So as you're walking, you're carrying, you're walking uphill-

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  The one you step inside of?

• 1:22:18Joe Rogan?

  No. No, no, no. You just, it's just a treadmill. It's like a treadmill that's at an angle. That's it. What's it called, Jamie? Hit, yeah, the Hitmail X.

• 1:22:27Speaker 01

  Oh, that, it's a whole unit itself.

• 1:22:29Joe Rogan?

  That motherfucker's the shit.

• 1:22:32Joe Rogan?

  That thing is the shit.

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  And it sets, is that the tensioner in the front?

• 1:22:35Joe Rogan?

  Uh, well, so you've got this, you got the ability to just incline, I think. Is that a just incline or is it static? Either way, whatever that incline is, and then you have those weight posts on the side, so you're lifting weight up and you're carrying weight. So that guy's got forty-five on each side, so he's carrying ninety pounds while you're walking uphill. And woo, that'll get you in some shape. Woo, baby. That'll get you in some shape.

• 1:23:04Speaker 01

  Ass kicker.

• 1:23:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  What do you cook?

• 1:23:07Joe Rogan?

  Mostly meat. Mostly what I eat is meat. That's like ninety percent of my diet, meat and eggs.

• 1:23:14Speaker 01

  What's the, what's your cheat? What's your like indulgent?

• 1:23:18Joe Rogan?

  My daughter is a really good chef, not a good chef, a good baker. She's great at cookies. She makes, she fucking, every time she's cooking, I'm like, god damn it. Making me some cookies. She's really good though. They're really legit. Like she made these cookies, like these peanut butter chocolate chip cookies with Nutella.

• 1:23:39Joe Rogan?

  They're good.

• 1:23:40Speaker 01

  Now, can you do just one or two?

• 1:23:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, I work out a lot, so I, I allow myself to eat like a pig every now and then. But like for me, cheat food is always either Italian or Mexican. I love, I love good Mexican food. I love good Italian food. I just love, if I'm at a pig out and I'm gonna eat something that I know is just for mouth pleasure, it's probably gonna be Mexican or Italian.

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  Carbs.

• 1:24:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  So addictive. I find the more I stay away from them, the less addicted I am.

• 1:24:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:24:15Speaker 01

  And then as soon as I have them, I find myself. Back into, you know.

• 1:24:22Joe Rogan?

  I look forward to going to New York just for Italian food. Cause like Austin is great for barbecue and steaks and Tex Mex, Mexican food's great here. There's a lot of great food in Austin, but there's not a lot of legitimate Italian spots, like there was in LA. LA had some legit Italian spots.

• 1:24:40Speaker 01

  Chicago.

• 1:24:41Joe Rogan?

  Chicago's got great Italian food.

• 1:24:44Speaker 01

  One of my favorite food cities is Chicago.

• 1:24:46Joe Rogan?

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• 1:27:06Speaker 01

  In Rhode Island, in New York, whatever. It just smells different. The floor creaks, they're fresh cutting the slices.

• 1:27:14Joe Rogan?

  People are fired up, they're so excited to get that fucking sandwich.

• 1:27:18Speaker 01

  The meatballs taste different. Yeah, no, the whole thing. So Federal Hill in Rhode Island is a real famous Italian, but I've shot, it shows up there a couple of times, but it's not too far from where my wife's family live. And I just remember going up there and going to the delis and getting those cherry peppers stuffed with prosciutto and provolone and just, you know, I'll take six of them and then I'll take 18 to go. I would always, you know, bring them all back to California, just can't find anything like it.

• 1:27:44Joe Rogan?

  You know what else I miss on the East Coast that you don't really get out here is a legit Jewish deli? Like a Katz Deli? Like, someone needs to figure out a way to do something like that here where you can get like a legit pastrami Reuben? Like a real one, you know?

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  But the question I have about that, that's what people ask me all the time. When I first started Triple D, you could only get true Tex Mex or great Mexican food, really in this Texas, Arizona, Nevada, California, down in this pocket. But I will say that now I'm starting to find, because typically it's the people migrating to these different areas. I went to a Mexi, I went to a Mexican joint on Triple D in Minneapolis. And it's a Mexican market, connoisseur, it's the whole thing. And it was better than 85% of joints that I've tried in this region that I was just talking about. So I'm starting to find this better cross pollination of foods in different regions.

• 1:28:42Joe Rogan?

  When people move.

• 1:28:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. But you gotta have the market. See, the market is the key, because who are they gonna sell it to if people don't get it? Because a fatty brisket from Katz Deli is just a different, you've gotta have the mindset, I've taken people there so many times and like, it's this much meat and there's little pieces of bread and I'm eating meat the whole time, like, yeah.

• 1:29:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, dumbass, shut the fuck up.

• 1:29:06Speaker 01

  I got a good one for you.

• 1:29:07Joe Rogan?

  You ruined it for me.

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  First time I went to Katz Deli, so I'm in there filming Food Network Star. When I had had a day off, my buddy lived in New York, a guy that was on the show with me. Taking a Katz's deli.

• 1:29:16Joe Rogan?

  Go to Katz's Instagram so I can see some visuals while it's going on. I'm addicted to their Instagram page.

• 1:29:21Speaker 01

  Do you have any fucking sandwiches?

• 1:29:22Joe Rogan?

  No, I wish you did.

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

  So I thought I was gonna bring you food today when I went and did the thing and I'm like, nah, I'm not taking Joe the vegan food. This, I'm not gonna take this.

• 1:29:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, please don't do that.

• 1:29:31Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna take the beating.

• 1:29:32Joe Rogan?

  I had elk sausage for breakfast.

• 1:29:34Speaker 01

  Um, oh, I love elk.

• 1:29:36Joe Rogan?

  Look at this. Oh, come on, baby. Look at Katz's deli. Look at that. Look at that pastrami. It says keto. Keto pastrami, Ruben. Oh, my God, I'm eating healthy. How is it keto? Oh, no bread. Oh, they're just giving you the, oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness. Look at that.

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  Is this supposed to be torture right now?

• 1:30:00Joe Rogan?

  Look how good that looks. Oh, my God.

• 1:30:03Speaker 01

  It's your mouth.

• 1:30:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I love Katz's deli.

• 1:30:06Speaker 01

  I do, too.

• 1:30:06Joe Rogan?

  I try to go every time I'm in New York. Those guys, I see the same fucking dudes that I've been going, since I was going there in like the early 2000s. I run into the same guys working there. These guys that have been there for 25, 30 years.

• 1:30:20Speaker 01

  And they're such good dudes.

• 1:30:21Joe Rogan?

  Great guys.

• 1:30:22Speaker 01

  And I'll eat more snacks over the counter.

• 1:30:24Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, yeah, they give you a little piece. They always do that at Katz's. They give you a little piece and they have a tip jar and...

• 1:30:30Speaker 01

  So if people haven't been to Katz's, when you go into Katz's, you know, but I'm telling them.

• 1:30:33Joe Rogan?

  Look at that fucking sandwich, man.

• 1:30:35Speaker 01

  When you go into Katz's, they give you a chip. They give you a ticket.

• 1:30:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta pay in cash.

• 1:30:39Speaker 01

  Okay, so they give you the ticket.

• 1:30:40Joe Rogan?

  They don't take credit cards. You better have cash.

• 1:30:42Speaker 01

  So you pass a ticket over the counter, they mark off what they gave you. So then you take a ticket and you sit down, you eat your food, and then when you leave, you go out and you check out with your ticket. So my buddy and I go and I order up, we order up all the stuff, I'm paying, so we put it all on my ticket. So we had a bunch of sandwiches, a bunch of beers, you know, we had some, so we're leaving and I turn my ticket in and I pay my bill. And they look at my buddy and they say, where's your ticket? And he goes, I didn't get anything. I put it on his ticket. And I said, no, no, no, you gotta turn your ticket in. And it says right there, lost ticket, you know, 300 bucks or whatever the ticket would be worth if it was all checked off.

• 1:31:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:31:20Speaker 01

  And I'm like, but he didn't have anything. It's all, you can see it. And they're like, you gotta have your ticket or you pay this. And I'm like, what the? I mean, I'd never been to a place like this. So we go back over to the table where he'd been sitting. Well, they'd already turned the table and it's all gone and done. And now there's four big construction dudes sitting there, huge, in the yellow vest, hard hats on, total New Yorkers. My buddy wasn't from New York. And he goes... And we're like, excuse me, fine sirs. You know, and I don't have the, you know, again, still in the same yellow jacket bleached hair. And my buddy's standing there and he's from like Iowa. Did you guys see a ticket? And like, what the you want? Like, get out of here.

• 1:32:02Joe Rogan?

  You're interrupting their meal.

• 1:32:03Speaker 01

  So, yeah, exactly what we're doing there on a lunch break. We're looking for a ticket. And he happens, my buddy happens to see the ticket on the floor underneath the biggest guy's boot. Like half and like, he's like, ticket's right there. I'm like, I'm not getting the ticket. You're the dumbass that lost the ticket. Get the ticket. So we had, I think we had to buy the guy's like, you know, we had to buy him something or pay the tip or whatever for the guy to move his boot. And we got the ticket and we bring the, yeah. It was a tumultuous experience. I go with people now and I'm like, take the ticket, put it in your wallet right now. I'll pay the meal, but just don't lose the ticket.

• 1:32:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have to be prepared for the experience because it's not like anything else. But it's, it's worth it. It's worth it. You get the best fucking corned beef, the best.

• 1:32:44Speaker 01

  The nicest people and characters in that place.

• 1:32:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The pastrami's off the fucking chain. That pastrami's insane. I get the same thing every time just because I, it's so good. I don't want to switch up. I got a pastrami Reuben.

• 1:32:57Speaker 01

  And the exact same way.

• 1:32:58Joe Rogan?

  Incredible pickles. The pickles are amazing.

• 1:33:00Speaker 01

  Slop.

• 1:33:01Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 1:33:02Speaker 01

  So I love the thing they have on there. You see that one back wall? Send a salami to a, you know, to a.

• 1:33:08Joe Rogan?

  To sailor.

• 1:33:08Speaker 01

  To a sailor. Yeah. That whole campaign that was going on still is something that needs to be done. Um, yeah, it's.

• 1:33:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, they've been around since the 1800s.

• 1:33:16Speaker 01

  Such the joint.

• 1:33:18Joe Rogan?

  Same spot. But there's a place, there's a thing about places like that where there's just like this deep history. You feel it when you're in there. You got a smile on your face when you walk in the door. Cause it's just this incredible history. You feel like, wow, this place is still around. It's still the same. Let's get up to the counter. Oh, he's chopping it up. Look at that.

• 1:33:37Speaker 01

  My mouth, this is like torture. My mouth.

• 1:33:38Joe Rogan?

  I know. That's what I love about going to New York and eating there. I like walking into a pizzeria and smelling everything and seeing the guy pulling the pies out of the oven like,

• 1:33:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's, and they're not always the cleanest. And they're not, and they're, and the counters are worn out and the whole thing. Exactly. No, I mean, that's.

• 1:33:56Joe Rogan?

  Part of the charm. If they redid it, it would fuck it up.

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, you go.

• 1:34:00Joe Rogan?

  You redid Katz? Oh my god, if you redid Katz's Deli, I'd fucking slap you. How dare you? How dare you take the, all the pictures of dead celebrities off the wall, like, you know, that's part of it, the fucking.

• 1:34:12Speaker 01

  You ever been to DeFarro's over in Brooklyn?

• 1:34:14Joe Rogan?

  No, no.

• 1:34:16Speaker 01

  Old guy there cuts the basil with scissors.

• 1:34:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:34:19Speaker 01

  I remember standing there, and then just looking at the pizza come out, and it doesn't look like, I mean, it's just next level pizza. Uh, you been to Rayos?

• 1:34:28Joe Rogan?

  No, where's that?

• 1:34:28Speaker 01

  Rayos is in Harlem, the Italian joint. Uh, well, call my uncle Bo. R, R A O S.

• 1:34:35Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:34:35Speaker 01

  And it is the old, I mean, this is, this is an Italian joint that you can only get in if you know somebody, you're with somebody, tiny little place, maybe fifteen tables.

• 1:34:43Joe Rogan?

  There it is.

• 1:34:44Speaker 01

  Oh, it's right on the corner right there.

• 1:34:44Joe Rogan?

  Eighteen ninety-six, wow.

• 1:34:47Speaker 01

  And I tell you. So you tell me when you're in New York next, and I'll call my uncle Bo.

• 1:34:52Joe Rogan?

  What street is it on?

• 1:34:54Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:34:54Joe Rogan?

  Click on New York, what is it, it say what the, what the, uh, addresses, yeah. East Hundred and Fourteenth Street, wow. The original.

• 1:35:02Speaker 01

  The floors all slanted, like, if you're sitting at the wrong part of the table, you're, you're, you're sitting having dinner, kinda cockeyed like this. Everybody's on top of each other, it's all family, it's, it's, it's an experience. But that's what you talk about, cuz then I went to Rayos in, in Vegas when they put one in the Caesar, in Caesar's. Same pictures on the wall, same all that stuff, but it just didn't have, it was good, but it just wasn't that Rayos.

• 1:35:27Joe Rogan?

  Look at that, that looks amazing.

• 1:35:29Speaker 01

  That's the table I sit at right back there.

• 1:35:30Joe Rogan?

  Another place I fucking love is Peter Luger's.

• 1:35:33Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:35:35Joe Rogan?

  Peter Luger's in Brooklyn, ooh.

• 1:35:37Speaker 01

  You being a meat guy?

• 1:35:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, and they bring that steak to your plate, and it's covered in butter, and it's cracklin', oh.

• 1:35:44Speaker 01

  I don't even eat the sides, I'm not, I mean, everybody else orders it, right?

• 1:35:48Joe Rogan?

  They just have it down, too, like, it's so consistent. Every time you go to the steak is exactly perfectly cooked.

• 1:35:54Speaker 01

  You been to Jeff Ruby's? Where's that? He's got him Nashville, Louisville, Cincinnati. Jeffrey, he's a character amongst characters. You got it. If you ever get a chance to go to one of his steak houses, this guy, they crush steak. I mean, it's some of my favorite steak in the country. Um, I was just at the Derby and I was at his place and eating steak and took Taylor, Taylor Sheridan there and they were, they were pretty shit. They're like, Taylor, you're a meat guy, meat guy.

• 1:36:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you're friends with Taylor?

• 1:36:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:18Joe Rogan?

  I was just with him Saturday night. He did the commencement speech at UT.

• 1:36:22Speaker 01

  Great guy. I mean, you know, you know.

• 1:36:24Joe Rogan?

  Incredible speech, man. His speech, he fucking killed it.

• 1:36:27Speaker 01

  He is. He walks the talk. There's no bullshit about that.

• 1:36:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I love that too.

• 1:36:30Speaker 01

  He helped me with a fundraiser. We do, so I do a lot of philanthropy. That's my, you know, being a dad is my biggest job, my biggest responsibility, husband, restaurant tour, chef, all that. But my, my end game is my philanthropy. Philanthropy to me, I mean, I have so much opportunity and there's so many good things coming my way. I try to divert as much of that towards doing it. So my philanthropy is about first responders. First responders, active military and veterans. But now that I have this program going where we can do things to raise money, and it's not just raise money, it's raise the money and then do things with it. Like when the fires happened in LA, we went down with our team, we have a big rescue trailer that's 50 feet long. We can feed about 5,000 a day out of it.

• 1:37:12Speaker 01

  And I have a bunch of chef buddies and so they all come and help and we just pump out food for first responders. But I was doing, we had the fires in Maui and devastation and I know the fire feeling because I was up there in Humboldt, in Northern California, um, in Sonoma County when we had our bad fires. And so we raised money. So I got 40 chefs together. We were all in town doing, I do a show called Tournament of Champions. They, they were in town for the tournament and we put on a dinner for 150 people. So I called Taylor and said, hey, I'm doing this event. You want to come up? And he says, only if I get to cook. You know, we're going to cook together. So we brought up all these, you know, four sixes, these tomahawk chops the size of, you know, a manhole cover. And we cooked and so we sat there and we raised money and we did all these different

• 1:37:57Speaker 01

  things like, you know, go to four sixes ranch, you can go be, you can go, you know, have a culinary experience with Guy, blah, blah, blah, blah. And in one night. We raised 1.7 million with 150 people in the room.

• 1:38:09Joe Rogan?

  That's incredible.

• 1:38:10Speaker 01

  And a big part of that was Taylor. I think three of the biggest packages sold were for over 100,000 bucks to go down to his ranch, or to go, no, actually, it was to go up to Montana, to Yellowstone, uh, to see the filming.

• 1:38:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:38:24Speaker 01

  And he's just that kind of dude, man. He, that dude, everybody, he gives everybody the time. He's, I mean, we were just at the Derby walking around together, just class act. Really, just love that guy.

• 1:38:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's a legit.

• 1:38:35Speaker 01

  And the what, the sh- the fuck, the shows he's making?

• 1:38:38Joe Rogan?

  I know. I don't know how he can do it.

• 1:38:40Speaker 01

  Landman?

• 1:38:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't know how he do- does so many shows. I keep finding shows, like, this show looks interesting, Taylor Sheridan Show. Like, what?

• 1:38:48Speaker 01

  Lioness.

• 1:38:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's got like-

• 1:38:49Speaker 01

  Landman too.

• 1:38:50Joe Rogan?

  10 shows.

• 1:38:51Speaker 01

  Have you watched Landman?

• 1:38:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I love it. I'm a huge Billy Bob fan.

• 1:38:55Speaker 01

  Oh, and he's the coolest.

• 1:38:56Joe Rogan?

  He's the best.

• 1:38:57Speaker 01

  I said to him, I go, "Did you write that for him?" I mean, it couldn't be Billy Bob any goddamn better. So, the one-liners are the best goddamn thing. It's, I, I can't get enough of it. And, but I love, I love Kings of, uh, or Kings of, uh, Mayor of Kingstown. That was great.

• 1:39:14Joe Rogan?

  That was another one.

• 1:39:15Speaker 01

  Remember the starting, the first episode? You didn't see that shit coming.

• 1:39:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:39:20Speaker 01

  Right at the beginning, the guy that you thought was gonna be the lead, you didn't think it was gonna be Jerry-

• 1:39:23Joe Rogan?

  Spoiler alert.

• 1:39:25Speaker 01

  No, I said, I didn't say, if you haven't watched it by now, you're missing it. Tough shit. Sorry I blew it for you.

• 1:39:29Joe Rogan?

  It's another Taylor show. He's got so many shows.

• 1:39:32Speaker 01

  Lioness.

• 1:39:32Joe Rogan?

  I just don't understand how he can put together so 1923, 1883, Yellowstone, like, god damn. I think they're doing another one. I think they're doing like a 1943. I just watched the end of 1923 and cried like a baby.

• 1:39:48Speaker 01

  I was bummed that Yellowstone ended the way it did, though.

• 1:39:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:51Speaker 01

  Circumstances were fucked up. Outside of the, outside of the show circumstances.

• 1:39:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know what happened. Why would Kevin Costner want to leave that show? I just don't understand what happened.

• 1:40:01Speaker 01

  I was, uh, what I read, or what I thought I learned, was that he had his own project and his-

• 1:40:05Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure he did. I mean, Kevin Costner's been around for so long. It's probably hard for him to do somebody else's thing for so long, too.

• 1:40:12Speaker 01

  It was so good.

• 1:40:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I know. He was perfect in that role, too.

• 1:40:16Speaker 01

  So iconic.

• 1:40:17Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:40:18Speaker 01

  The ending, I mean, even if you're gonna leave, my bummer for it was, my bummer about it was, even if you're gonna leave- Just, I mean, well, I would go out better than in this situation was. I mean, they did it the way they did it. I'm not, I'm not discrediting the show by any means, but I'm just saying, I just wanted it to be like the way it was from the beginning.

• 1:40:36Joe Rogan?

  It's kinda sad how they did it. But it was almost kinda like a fuck you. It seemed like to me.

• 1:40:41Speaker 01

  From which side, exactly. I'm not coming back? Well, wait till you see how you go.

• 1:40:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:40:47Speaker 01

  And Taylor is a little bit, I mean, I wouldn't cross him.

• 1:40:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's got a little bit of that in him. It's funny, I was telling him about this ranch that I hunt out in California. He's like, oh, he's the cowboy at that place. Like, he's a legit guy.

• 1:41:00Speaker 01

  He's a badass, too.

• 1:41:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's a good dude, too. Solid human being, you know? You're talking to him, he's right there, you know, he's not...

• 1:41:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, he told me, come, he says, listen, I know what you're doing up there in Northern California. You've done your fundraiser there a bunch of years. He says, come down and do it at my ranch. He says, I will bring you the people with the money that believe in what you're doing with these first responders and these... Because when we don't have disasters, we just go do positive energy thank yous to different municipalities. We just did one in, in Florida, in Southern, South Florida. We just bring the trailer in, bring a bunch of chefs in, call up the local sheriff, call up the troopers, call up everybody, you know, bring your families if you want. It's free lunch, time for you to celebrate and be recognized. You know, we got people walking around the streets that don't understand why our country's free. They don't have any idea what it takes to be a free country.

• 1:41:50Speaker 01

  And they don't understand the sacrifice, not just the sacrifices that the actual individual makes, but the sacrifice the family makes. Now, we're not even talking about the loss of somebody. We're talking about just the, you know, being deployed for seven months and not seeing dad for seven months, or seeing your husband or your wife or whatever. And I remember I was on the USS Enterprise and I was doing a, doing a, you know, philanthropy event and this was years ago. I was cooking for the, the sailors and a bunch of Marines on there. It was like 5,200 people. And I'm on the line serving this young sailor and she came through and we, you know, kind of talking for a second. And she says, I have four kids. I said, how, she wasn't very old. I said, how many? She goes, well, I have an eight-month-old baby.

• 1:42:36Speaker 01

  Babies on the ship? She goes, no babies, no. I said, how could you be away from your child at this age? And she's like, no, it's, you know, I'm deployed and... I'm like, what a commitment. You know, what a commitment to do. And the kids without, so I think, I mean, my mantra is, we're talking about people pushing things on other people about their beliefs or their opinions or their attitudes. And I said, you know, I kind of divert from all of it and, you know, if you don't want to like something, don't like it, that's your thing. But I am hell bent on what goes on in this country about how we recognize our veterans and our first responders and our active military. We have, we got, we're missing some pieces.

• 1:43:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:15Speaker 01

  We got some people that have made the ultimate commitment, the ultimate sacrifice. It's like this stolen valor shit. Oh, I'll lose my mind on that because...

• 1:43:24Joe Rogan?

  That's just crazy people.

• 1:43:25Speaker 01

  The commitment that it takes.

• 1:43:27Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 1:43:28Speaker 01

  And so we put so much into putting the soldiers and the sailors and all these military folks into these programs. And then when they come back, I don't think that we put the same amount of commitment. And I think that we've got a lot of people that need a lot of help. There's a lot of PTSD, there's a lot of shit going on.

• 1:43:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:46Speaker 01

  So my interest is, I'm not going to solve that situation. I'm not the one that's going to be able to...

• 1:43:50Joe Rogan?

  But at least you could recognize and give them some love.

• 1:43:52Speaker 01

  Recognize, talk about it. We carry challenge coins, ran into one of your guys who's a first responder, also didn't know that he served our country in the military. Please, when you see somebody in uniform, if you, you see somebody with a Vietnam Vet hat, you see somebody that's in, you know, just take a moment, just say thank you. Thank you goes so far. And people think, I don't know that I can do this. No, it means a shit ton to people.

• 1:44:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:14Speaker 01

  So I didn't mean to get on my rant, but I, that's one of my hardcore issues.

• 1:44:17Joe Rogan?

  That's good. It's a beautiful perspective because it's, it's, especially with first responders and law enforcement in this country, they just don't get any love. It's kinda crazy, like the cops are the bad guys in this country, like, that's why the the defund the police movement was driving me fucking crazy, like, you are, you guys are out of your mind.

• 1:44:37Speaker 01

  But we're gonna have a march and we'd like you to be there to keep people from throwing shit at us.

• 1:44:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:42Speaker 01

  So, so here, here's the thing.

• 1:44:43Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy? This is a defund the police march, but we need the police.

• 1:44:45Speaker 01

  We need you, so, the people that are, again, so, when we had the fires in Northern California, I was watching a lot of, we're there feeding them, it was up in, actually, we're up in paradise, it was devastating fire.

• 1:44:56Joe Rogan?

  That was a crazy fire.

• 1:44:58Speaker 01

  Joe, I drove through it, I don't know what, I don't know what the surface of the moon looks like, but I can tell you, it was as close to it, cause there was nothing standing, there was nothing there, the only thing that didn't burn down was the fire station. I mean, and not because they've defunded it.

• 1:45:13Joe Rogan?

  All those people that got stuck on the road.

• 1:45:15Speaker 01

  Stuck, cars gone, everything gone, bombs, I mean, it was, it was, it was, I don't know the term, but, so I'm standing there and I'm feeding people, and I know for a fact, cause I'd just been inside, I just went to the, the fire, I went and fed people at the fire station that was the only building standing, and I said, "Why, why aren't you guys over here eating, we're serving a bunch of food?" "Nah, it's, you know, we stay over here." I said, "You guys are fire victims, your house was burnt down." "Yeah, but, you know," and you had all kinds of restaurants feeding people and all this stuff, and I'm watching these guys eat granola bars and eat MREs, and I said, "Come over and get some food." "No, no, no." I said, "Okay." That's it, next day, picked up my trailer, we moved. I said, "We only feed first responders." Not that I'm not about the fire victims, I think the fire victims is terrible, but

• 1:46:00Speaker 01

  the reality of it is, we have a lot of people that were focusing on the victims and giving them, which they need, but these guys were doing, these men and women weren't going to bed, these, they were doing 72-hour shifts, sleeping in the back of their patrol car, they drove their patrol car up from Riverside, and they're up in Northern California now. And so that's what's, that's what I changed, I pivoted my whole foundation, was when the disasters go down, we're gonna get there and we're gonna focus on the first responders. We were down in LA for 10 days, we fed 25,000 meals. Now, it's not gonna feed everybody, and it's not gonna take care of everything. But there is a point of them being recognized, or knowing that we recognize them. And I had so many chefs in LA that showed up and jumped on the trailer,

• 1:46:44Speaker 01

  and were cooking food, and we were almost cooking, you know, 24 hours, you know, just rolling over. And people were so thankful.

• 1:46:50Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 1:46:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. But we all can do these things, you know, we can do these things, we can make, donate. Okay, maybe you don't have the money, donate the time. Maybe you don't have the time, do the positive reinforcement on the, on social media. You know, if you don't have the time, you don't have social media, you don't have the money, you don't have the time, just pat somebody on the back and say, "Thanks." I mean, that's, we really can do, we can do way more.

• 1:47:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:11Speaker 01

  And we can make a bigger impact.

• 1:47:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, just as a society, we need to recognize the importance of these people, and appreciate them for what they do. And I don't think that that's been accentuated, that's not been... People haven't focused on that. And that's a top-down thing that comes from the president, that comes from the cabinet, that comes from the way the country perceives these people, and the way they award these people, and, you know, the way that our media treats them. You know, the media had a field day after George Floyd with this "defund the police" stuff, and it's just... That, that kind of devastation that does for morale, and for recruiting, and, you know, just the overall feeling that these people have.

• 1:47:56Joe Rogan?

  Like, "Why am I doing this job, where not only am I not being thanked for it, but I am being thought of as the enemy?"

• 1:48:03Speaker 01

  And then if I do something, if I do something, I'm not gonna get supported.

• 1:48:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:48:08Speaker 01

  You know, because I'm gonna get persecuted.

• 1:48:11Joe Rogan?

  Right, and every day, you show up, you pull people over, you're worried you're gonna get shot. Every fucking day. They all have PTSD, every one of them.

• 1:48:19Speaker 01

  You go pull, a buddy of mine's a fireman, and I didn't really understand, I didn't think about it until he brought it up to me one day. And he said... His name's Jay LeVar, and Jay said, you know, "You go pull kids out of a car. You go, you go, you go face that, and then you go home to your kids."

• 1:48:35Joe Rogan?

  Right. It's horrible.

• 1:48:37Speaker 01

  That'll just wreck you, but I, you know, like I said... I'm so interested in what we can do and we have so much. We're the greatest country in the world. We're finally riding the ship. We're getting into better space. But gosh, let's start focusing on it. Let's start focusing on the fundamentals that made us the ass-kicking, name-taking center of, you know, that made us the best. And we have to start ingraining, we have to start teaching that. I was just talking about, I just did a podcast for the Dale Carnegie Institute. And that was a book that changed my life when I was young, when I was come open.

• 1:49:11Joe Rogan?

  Thinking Bro Rich?

• 1:49:13Speaker 01

  No, what is it? How to Win Friends and Influence People.

• 1:49:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:16Speaker 01

  And it talks really about just human nature, about how you treat people and treat people the way you want to be treated and think before you act and think before you speak or before you light somebody up on a text, you know, kinda. And I was, I was going through this and I said, you know, this is, this is like a course that should be taught at freshman high school.

• 1:49:35Joe Rogan?

  Absolutely.

• 1:49:36Speaker 01

  And we should teach civility and we should teach respect, responsibility.

• 1:49:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:41Speaker 01

  You should take, you know, back your mouth, back your mouth up, you know, don't go popping off on, you know, and do these, these things the way we grew up. I mean, I'm not saying that violence is the, the answer, but you, you definitely didn't have people running their mouth like they do now because there was hell to pay at three o'clock, you know?

• 1:49:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:58Speaker 01

  That kinda stuff. So I think that we need to get involved in teaching our young America that they have, they have a voice, they have an opinion, they have, they're, they're very worthwhile. And let's just do it the right way. But I think that Dale Carnegie Institute, that, that How to Win Friends there, they, I didn't know how many things, they do it worldwide. And I just think, I was just telling my sons about it. I said, you can all expect that you're gonna be going to one of these programs or doing one of these courses. I made them all read the book.

• 1:50:27Joe Rogan?

  That's great.

• 1:50:27Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:50:28Joe Rogan?

  I mean, people in school get taught how to, I mean, you get taught a lot of information, but I think one of the things that's missing is getting taught how to behave and think and how to critically think and how to, how to view the world.

• 1:50:42Speaker 01

  The number, critical thinking to me is, I mean, even say the term to somebody, critical thinking, and they'll look at you and go.

• 1:50:51Speaker 01

  But they don't know what it means. Critical thinking is solving situations, is evaluating the environment and, and coming up with, with calculating. It's not taking a risk, it's taking a calculated risk. There's just so many of those types of things. My dad was a huge critical thing. I mean, he was, so we had a rule when I was a kid, Joe, we'd be driving down the road and my dad would say, "What are you thinking?" You're like, "You're quiet over there, what are you thinking?" One thing I was not allowed to say was nothing. Hmm. He'd say, "God, full of shit. What do you think?" I mean, kind of, what are you thinking?

• 1:51:28Speaker 01

  I'm saying, "Well, all there's, it's all grass, but under the telephone pole, there's no grass." And then we would spend the next goddamn hour talking about why there's no grass under the telephone pole. And- Why is there no grass under the telephone pole? Fire, you know, the ability to get to the poles, they have to be able to drive to them. So you look at it, because like you'd go into the wine country, you know, you look at all these mountains that have all these telephone poles going, if you find roads on top of mountains and so forth, it's usually fire break or access to the telephone poles.

• 1:52:10Speaker 01

  But we would do this critical thinking thing and it was so funny, my, my young, my nephew, my sister was dying of cancer and I took him away for the day and we're driving around in Corvette and we're at the stoplight, manual Corvette, and I'm sitting there talking to Jules. Jules is about nine and he says, you know, wait, he says, "I really like talking to you." Says, "You're fun to talk to," he says. It was a little bit different than talking to Jamps. Jamps was my dad. He says, "I said, "What do you mean, Jules?" And he says, "Well, you know, you know, sometimes when I ask Jamps, you know, like, what time is it? You know, I just want to know what time it is. I don't want to know how the clock is made."

• 1:52:49Speaker 01

  I slipped the clutch and the car burned down. I'm like, Jesus Christ. I don't want to know how the clock is because that was my dad, man. You'd ask him a question like, what time is? Would you understand the difference between the analog? You got a digital? And my dad would go into this. He was a submariner during Vietnam. He was a piece of work.

• 1:53:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 1:53:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:53:07Speaker 01

  I lost him right around my birthday, year and a half ago, and a pancreatic cancer, but he lived for six years with it.

• 1:53:14Joe Rogan?

  God, you had a lot of cancer in your family.

• 1:53:16Speaker 01

  Sucks, man. And I think that, like, I didn't, until you're in that club, the club sucks. But when you meet somebody that is in the fight, the fight for their life, tell them, give them a hug. Give them, uh, give them a smile, give them encouragement, and if they have battled and they have won, recognize them as a warrior, as a survivor, you know, especially breast cancer and all these horrible cancers that, you know, that people are stricken with. There's, we need to have more empathy, more understanding. And I'll tell you one of the greatest groups of people in the whole world, hospice.

• 1:53:54Speaker 01

  You, I don't know how much you know about them and what it is, but it is, if you don't have, if you don't understand what hospice does, they are, they're earth angels. They're people that come in when you're battling this, you're watching a loved one die, and they come in and they're the people that help you with the meds and help you with the caregiving and help you. And they're just these, and you don't even know them. And they, they come into your life and they leave your life once the cancer's, but they stay, you'll meet them on the street again or you'll see something. But hospice is one of the greatest programs we have in this country. I don't know if it's worldwide, but it is. Hopefully, you don't ever need to know it.

• 1:54:29Joe Rogan?

  It's just shocking how many people have cancer.

• 1:54:32Speaker 01

  Fucked up.

• 1:54:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:35Speaker 01

  I've never been on a podcast where you can cuss.

• 1:54:37Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:54:38Speaker 01

  I haven't been on, I haven't been on many podcasts.

• 1:54:39Joe Rogan?

  How many podcasts you been on?

• 1:54:40Speaker 01

  I don't know, not very many.

• 1:54:41Joe Rogan?

  Which ones can't you cuss on?

• 1:54:42Speaker 01

  I don't know. I don't, you know, I've, listen, I come from the Food Network. We don't do a lot of cussing on Food Network. But you get me all fired. I got fired up on my own about this shit.

• 1:54:51Joe Rogan?

  But don't you cuss in normal life?

• 1:54:52Speaker 01

  Oh, I got sailor.

• 1:54:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. Well, don't, most people do. So why, why would they stop people from cussing?

• 1:54:58Speaker 01

  I've asked them forever, could we please bleep just the show once in a while? Because sometimes I'll buy, I'll eat a dish. People say, I watch your show.

• 1:55:05Joe Rogan?

  They say no? You can't?

• 1:55:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not really, it doesn't really get, it hasn't made it to edit. But it doesn't matter, it's it's

• 1:55:12Joe Rogan?

  It does.

• 1:55:13Speaker 01

  I think there's ways.

• 1:55:14Joe Rogan?

  Because it's authentic.

• 1:55:15Speaker 01

  It is authenticity and it is the spike, it is the hammer, it is the Yeah. This dish is so fucking good.

• 1:55:20Joe Rogan?

  This is fucking great.

• 1:55:22Speaker 01

  I listen.

• 1:55:22Joe Rogan?

  It's real.

• 1:55:23Speaker 01

  I maybe I

• 1:55:24Joe Rogan?

  Like Katz Deli.

• 1:55:24Speaker 01

  Maybe you're gonna inspire me to push this bu- this button.

• 1:55:27Joe Rogan?

  I just don't understand why they would not. I mean, if you wanna beep it out, that's fine.

• 1:55:30Speaker 01

  No, it has to be, you have to be bleeped out of that.

• 1:55:32Joe Rogan?

  Why even do that, though?

• 1:55:34Speaker 01

  Eh, I got a lot of kids.

• 1:55:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, kids, last thing we wanna know.

• 1:55:38Speaker 01

  Cause yeah, they, cause they don't watch, cause they can't get, remember when we had a Playboy hidden? You know, you had to play, kids now.

• 1:55:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they got hardcore porn on the, porn on their phone.

• 1:55:46Speaker 01

  Bring it up in the middle of school.

• 1:55:47Joe Rogan?

  In high school, yeah.

• 1:55:48Speaker 01

  High school.

• 1:55:49Joe Rogan?

  Kinda nuts, yeah, it's kinda nuts. It's, uh, not healthy, I'm sure. They're being subjected to some stuff that, I mean, just the amount of murder they see. You know, kids are seeing car accidents and assassinations.

• 1:56:03Speaker 01

  On

• 1:56:04Joe Rogan?

  On their phone.

• 1:56:05Speaker 01

  Twitter.

• 1:56:05Joe Rogan?

  Every day, and things that were very difficult to find when I was a kid. You had to find like faces of death.

• 1:56:11Speaker 01

  Remember that?

• 1:56:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:12Speaker 01

  The monkey in the table.

• 1:56:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:13Speaker 01

  Remember renting it, you'd have to

• 1:56:15Joe Rogan?

  Apparently a lot of that stuff was fake.

• 1:56:17Speaker 01

  No, really?

• 1:56:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of the faces of death stuff was fake. Uh, but some of it was real, like the one where they took, took the guy and they tied him between two trucks and they separated his body. Yeah.

• 1:56:28Speaker 01

  Good family fun, come on over for Friday pizza night.

• 1:56:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:32Speaker 01

  Remember when your kid though getting the VHS, you'd go, you know, ours we'd have to go get it at the liquor store. We were a little town, you know, or you'd go all the way across the bridge and go get it and you'd put your, you know, name down for the reservation to get it and

• 1:56:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:46Speaker 01

  You'll get faces of death and your friends would all come over and

• 1:56:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:56:49Speaker 01

  Pizza night.

• 1:56:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you'd have to hide those things from your parents.

• 1:56:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:56:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, now kids just have access to all the horrors of the world on their phone. And then they have to deal with, you know, people DMing them and contacting them, like who, who are these fucking predators? That are reaching out to kids on a daily basis. They keep arresting people for that. You keep wanting to think that that's not a thing. And then you keep finding out more and more of it. It's like, fucking A. Tim Tebow was just on my friend

• 1:57:18Speaker 01

  I just saw that.

• 1:57:19Joe Rogan?

  Sean Ryan's show, yeah, yeah.

• 1:57:21Speaker 01

  What, it was a hundred and ten thousand? But see, we don't do We don't do anything about it. You know, again, I don't want to get into.

• 1:57:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know the thing to do about it.

• 1:57:31Speaker 01

  Oh, hey.

• 1:57:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, unfortunately, you don't want to encourage vigilantism, but that's.

• 1:57:35Speaker 01

  Public square, you mean, maybe like we used.

• 1:57:38Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's, the problem is, you can't do that because some people are gonna be unjustly accused. It's unfairly targeted. You know, there's people that, you know, you can't just, you have to have due process. This is.

• 1:57:53Speaker 01

  Well, Chris Hansen, you ever seen his Catch a Predator thing?

• 1:57:55Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:57:56Speaker 01

  So, I love when they give the recap. You know, I guess that show's stopped and now he's doing it on his own, or whatever the case is, and they give the recap. And, thank God, he was doing that stuff.

• 1:58:07Joe Rogan?

  I know. He opened a lot of people's eyes, because most of us, you know, if you live in a normal neighborhood with normal friends, you don't have, you know, you might have heard a story here and there, but you don't see it. Yeah. You don't see it every day.

• 1:58:25Speaker 01

  Coaches, politicians, attorneys.

• 1:58:28Joe Rogan?

  I know. There's some sick people out there, man, and they live amongst us. That's what's fucked up. And then the Nickelodeon thing, when you find out that people that were actually working for Nickelodeon.

• 1:58:39Speaker 01

  Pressuring those kids.

• 1:58:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God, man. But if you thought about it, like if you were really cynical, and you thought about it through an evil mind, if you wanted to abuse kids, what would you do? You'd work with kids.

• 1:58:51Speaker 01

  Work at Nickelodeon.

• 1:58:52Joe Rogan?

  Jimmy Savile, that guy in the UK. You know about that guy, right? You don't know about that guy?

• 1:58:56Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:58:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God. He's the worst one.

• 1:58:59Speaker 01

  Your eyes.

• 1:59:00Joe Rogan?

  First of all, this guy looked like a guy who would molest kids. He looked like a fucking monster. And he had this show, I think it was called Jimmy'll Fix It. Is that what it was called? Jim'll Fix It? And he worked with all these, like, really sick kids. And everybody was like, oh, what a saint, that guy. And that guy was molesting children, like, who knows how many of them? Oh, so there's a Netflix thing on it? Jimmy Savile, a British horror story, Netflix official site, it says.

• 1:59:33Speaker 01

  How about getting called to play that guy in a movie?

• 1:59:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you can't.

• 1:59:36Speaker 01

  That would suck, because it's that guy right there must be playing the guy in the movie.

• 1:59:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, must be.

• 1:59:40Speaker 01

  Jimmy, Jimmy Coogan. I feel bad for Jimmy, because he looks like.

• 1:59:44Joe Rogan?

  Steve Coogan, yeah. Oh my god. Yeah, you don't even wanna watch that. I don't even wanna know, but they hid the fact, people knew that this guy was doing these things.

• 1:59:55Speaker 01

  Well, you look at what happened to the poor Boy Scouts. Look at what happened to the poor Boy Scouts. I mean, I was, I was, I didn't make it to Eagle Scout in that stuff, but as a Boy Scout. Learned some great stuff. Not any idea that stuff was going on. I don't think anything happened in my troop. I never heard about it. But that's exactly what you're saying.

• 2:00:13Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:00:13Speaker 01

  These guys would just go find their avenue, what's gonna get me close to them.

• 2:00:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:00:17Speaker 01

  And then we're gonna start doing it.

• 2:00:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:19Speaker 01

  So where is the... Remember, who's the guy that shot the Predator, the karate coach that took his kid?

• 2:00:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:26Speaker 01

  And he waited at the airport?

• 2:00:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, that famous video?

• 2:00:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. That guy.

• 2:00:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:31Speaker 01

  That's, I mean...

• 2:00:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's a hero.

• 2:00:34Speaker 01

  That's how I'd handle it.

• 2:00:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm, I, I agree 100%. I mean... It's just, it's sick. But it's like, if you were a sick person, that's what you would do. If you wanted to be around kids, you would pretend that you're really interested in helping kids. Yeah, I was in the Boy Scouts too. Nothing happened to me. And then I was in a good troop and... But I was in the Boy Scouts with a bunch of crazy inner-city kids. I was living in Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts, which is like, kinda sketchy, outside of Boston. And, um, they, uh...

• 2:01:06Speaker 01

  They bet you tough.

• 2:01:07Joe Rogan?

  They brought us to New Hampshire. We were all in the woods and they were fucking tying kids up to their cots and dragging them out into the woods in the middle of the night and leaving them there, like, other kids were doing that and... Putting toothpaste on all your clothes, cause you couldn't wash it off. Like, they were just psycho kids. And they gave us 22s. That was the other part of the problem. I remember I was hanging out with my friends and I heard, "Pew!". I was like, "What is that?". And someone goes, "That's a ricochet". I was like, "Fuck this!". So like, for the entire time I was in camp, all I did was go fishing every day. They had all these activities. I'm like, "You guys can kiss my ass". I'd grab a fishing rod and go down to the lake. I'm like, "I'm just gonna go fishing the entire two weeks I'm here. Fuck this."

• 2:01:48Joe Rogan?

  There was just too many, but no one was getting fucked at least. It was just mostly kids being just unregulated.

• 2:01:55Speaker 01

  What a great way to fuck up a great program. You know, you get these people to get in there and do that stuff and kids are so. I mean, you have kids.

• 2:02:03Joe Rogan?

  There's always going to be people that are evil. And a lot of those people unfortunately have had evil imposed on them too when they were young. And that's the really sad part about it. It's just like, it's almost like getting bit by a vampire and then you, you, you know, and then you wind up doing it too.

• 2:02:20Speaker 01

  Zombie.

• 2:02:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:21Speaker 01

  It's not, yeah.

• 2:02:22Joe Rogan?

  It's very evil and they, they exist. And then there's also like people that are elites. And that's their thing. Like their, their thing is to do something that is horrible and you know, it, it's not available to other people. So it's like, I think there's, there's like a sickness that people have when they have power, like extreme power. And then they, well, what else can I do? What else can I do? What, what else is, what's, what's in? What else is taboo? What else is forbidden? Like all this Diddy shit that's coming out like.

• 2:02:55Speaker 01

  I was just gonna say, doesn't that sound topical?

• 2:02:57Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ. I, the first day of the trial, did you pay attention to any of that stuff? I looked at it for like 10 minutes this morning and I was like, I gotta stop. I can't look at this.

• 2:03:07Speaker 01

  Well, what I, what freaks me out is the people sitting in the courtroom listening to it.

• 2:03:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:03:13Speaker 01

  And that's a, there's a wide spectrum of people that are getting subjected to it and you just sit there and go.

• 2:03:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, not only that, how about the fact that this guy was running this for decades? He was doing this for decades to who knows how many fucking people and everybody was scared to talk about it because he'd have him killed. Yeah, it's really wild, man. There's, the evil is a real thing, you know? Nobody wants to believe, because if you believe in the devil, right? If you believe in Satan, you, you, you believe in something that's silly. Like most people believe, a lot of people believe in God. If you ask people, do you believe in God? Yeah, well, I'm not religious, but I believe in God. Okay, well, do you believe in the devil? Most people will say no. But you believe in evil acts?

• 2:04:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah, well, people certainly do evil things. Well, where do you think that comes from? If evil is real, what is it about us that makes us want to deny the possibility that there's some nefarious force that is in is in human beings, that influences human beings? It's not as simple as like, some people are bad, some people are good. No, maybe evil is a real element that you have to fight in life. And that maybe this is just something that's been documented all throughout history. But our arrogance, our secular society, wants to keep us from recognizing that as an actual factor. And that's why it gets through.

• 2:04:45Speaker 01

  That's a great, that's a really great way to say it. Because if you denounce, okay, so you say there's no devil.

• 2:04:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:04:55Speaker 01

  So then you're somewhat saying that there's no evil. But you're not branding evil with some type of identifying factor. Then you kind of glaze over it a little bit. I think that's what I'm hearing you're saying. And I agree with it because it gets it, it gets a little too. I think people want tangibility. I think people like to be able to understand things and see it for real and so forth. But when you start just talking about root evil, when you start, when you start looking at things, like I went to the Oklahoma bombing memorial. And when you look at shit like that, you think about the hate on this country. And the, in the nine 11, and you think, or you just take it down to the Boy Scout troop leader that

• 2:05:40Speaker 01

  or you take it to the, you take it to whatever. There is a common, there's a common denominator there. And that is just what you called it, evil. So call it devil, don't call devil, but call it evil. The evilness is just, in not being aware of it, or not allowing ourselves to believe it, I think is part of the.

• 2:06:01Joe Rogan?

  What's the old quote? The greatest trick the devil ever pulled is making people believe he doesn't exist.

• 2:06:09Speaker 01

  Well said.

• 2:06:10Joe Rogan?

  But if you're, if you want to be thought of as a serious person, you never consider the devil. Like, oh, come on. There's no, there's no Satan.

• 2:06:19Speaker 01

  Down there burning in, yeah.

• 2:06:20Joe Rogan?

  Outrageous. Get away. You know?

• 2:06:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. So how do you, so where do you, so how do you, boy, this goes in a lot of goddamn, this goes down some rabbit holes.

• 2:06:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, there's rabbit holes in life, you know? Life is a lot of rabbit holes.

• 2:06:33Speaker 01

  But see, to me, this is when we talk about critical thinking. This is the stuff that when you really sit down and you have some conversations besides arguing whose team is better. You know, this is the type of stuff that you really have to get into some perspective. You can learn a lot.

• 2:06:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:48Speaker 01

  If you're willing to talk about things and you're willing to open up and you're willing to be wrong. It's one of the things I'm always into is don't go into something with a predisposed opinion about it and be so hell bent on it's your way. Because you might really get your mind changed. You might really learn something about it. But as soon as you lock down on it's this way, you know?

• 2:07:08Joe Rogan?

  There's no devil.

• 2:07:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:10Joe Rogan?

  God's not real. Like people say that.

• 2:07:12Speaker 01

  I deal with it.

• 2:07:13Joe Rogan?

  When you die, you just die. How the fuck do you know, bitch? Have you been dead? Like, what are you talking about?

• 2:07:18Speaker 01

  Do you believe, so have you ever been to a medium?

• 2:07:20Joe Rogan?

  A medium? Like a psychic medium? No, not a real one.

• 2:07:23Speaker 01

  Okay, so I.

• 2:07:24Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I don't, I don't think that, and I'm not like one of those people that says they don't exist. I think it's possible.

• 2:07:29Speaker 01

  I, I, I was a very anti. Not anti preaching, but anti, so my mom believes in it. My mom did. My wife does.

• 2:07:39Speaker 01

  Was my cup of tea. Not saying bad, just was my cup of tea.

• 2:07:44Speaker 01

  My sister died, real close with my sister, and I kept getting this weird feeling. I mean, my wife's not telling me to go. My mom's not telling me to go. No one's saying a thing to me.

• 2:08:01Speaker 01

  Then this hawk is a representation of my sister. I'm driving my big RV cross-country with my family. Every year, we do a big, huge road trip with the family. This hawk flies outside of my window. Five minutes. No shit. It was a real five minutes. Flew along freeway with me as fast as I was going. Dirt road. And I was like, ah. So I asked my mom, who's the lady to call? So I went and had this thing. Didn't know me very well, didn't know much about me. And I had the most mind-blowing experience. Like, mind-blowing. And I had to really sit there. I had to go back to my wife and my mom and say,

• 2:08:42Speaker 01

  "Okay, there's something out there that's going on that's going, that's bigger than us, than I can comprehend." And the way I kind of, to make sense of it for myself, because I have to make sense of it, is if you're a baby laying in a bassinet, and you can smell, and you can breathe, and you can poop, and you can eat, and you can sleep, and giggle, and... But I can talk to you. I can talk to the baby, but the baby can't understand me. But there's some transmission of connection.

• 2:09:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:09:10Speaker 01

  You know, make it giggle.

• 2:09:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:12Speaker 01

  At this stage, am I the baby in the bassinet? And my sister's trying to talk to me? And like, I'm just kind of getting it, but I'm not... But is that possible? The older I get, the more I start to buy into, "There's gotta be something else." There's no way it can be all this and not be something more... We didn't just... It doesn't vaporize, go away. So, the other day, maybe six months ago, sitting in a hot tub. I had my routine of hot sauna, cold plunge, hot tub, infrared. I do all that. But I'm sitting there, and I keep getting this thing. "I gotta call this medium lady."

• 2:09:56Speaker 01

  And I text her, and I said, "Hey, can I come see you?" And she goes, "Yeah." She goes, "You, uh, your dad's been... Your dad's been hitting me up quite a bit. Your dad wants to talk to you."

• 2:10:14Joe Rogan?

  You're dead dad.

• 2:10:16Speaker 01

  My dead dad.

• 2:10:18Joe Rogan?

  He's been hitting her up.

• 2:10:20Speaker 01

  To get in touch with me, to make.

• 2:10:22Joe Rogan?

  Does she know that your father's dead?

• 2:10:24Speaker 01

  She knows my dad, yeah, she knew my dad's dead. But the point was, and there was more intricacies about it, but she said, yeah, he's been talking about, he goes, she goes, were you just in Mexico? I said, yeah. Should we do something about him in Mexico, something about an owl? There's no way, in a million years, she would know this.

• 2:10:47Joe Rogan?

  An owl?

• 2:10:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, my dad comes back as an owl. So he said he was gonna be, as an owl.

• 2:10:56Joe Rogan?

  Is this what he was saying to her?

• 2:10:57Speaker 01

  To me.

• 2:10:58Joe Rogan?

  To you?

• 2:10:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, this before he died.

• 2:10:59Joe Rogan?

  Before he died, he said, I'm gonna come back as an owl?

• 2:11:01Speaker 01

  No, he just, owl was the thing. Wise guy.

• 2:11:05Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Owls are dumb as shit.

• 2:11:09Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:11:09Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 2:11:10Speaker 01

  I don't know, I've never seen, they've, they scared the shit out of me.

• 2:11:14Joe Rogan?

  No, they're really dumb birds.

• 2:11:15Speaker 01

  That's great, that's what dad we're talking about, thanks a lot.

• 2:11:18Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm not saying your dad's dumb. I'm just saying it's weird that we all have this idea of owls being wise. I talked to this lady who trains birds, she said they're some of the dumbest birds. It's like, the only thing dumber than them is emus. It's like, emus are dumb as shit.

• 2:11:31Speaker 01

  I saw emus on a ranch yesterday.

• 2:11:32Joe Rogan?

  She's, but, she's like, we have this idea that owls are really smart.

• 2:11:36Speaker 01

  Well, whatever, whatever the case is. I hung up a stained glass owl

• 2:11:43Speaker 01

  where my dad used to sit, in our house in Mexico. No way, not that, there's no way.

• 2:11:50Speaker 01

  So, I don't know, I'm not cheating or preaching it to people. There's something bigger going on there with it.

• 2:11:54Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever heard of the telepathy tapes?

• 2:11:56Speaker 01

  Guys, guys fucking crazy, but it's, it really is my, there's gotta be something else.

• 2:12:01Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever heard of the telepathy tapes?

• 2:12:02Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:12:03Joe Rogan?

  The telepathy tapes are, um, the, this podcast, this woman put together from her work with non-verbal autistic kids and their families. Non-verbal autistic kids and their mothers in particular have an incredible, measurable psychic bond. Where the mother can be in another room, the mother Can look at images, the kid will be able to write down what the mother sees. The mother could be reading things and the child will write down what she's reading. And it turns out these kids have abilities that are unexplainable. She documented, she documented a non-verbal autistic kid who had the ability to read hieroglyphs.

• 2:12:47Joe Rogan?

  They have the ability to read languages that they've never studied. It is very strange. And that they all meet up on some place called The Hill. Psychically, they meet up together and they all describe it. So some place psychically where all these non-verbal autistic kids get together. Yeah, like, so this documentary, The Telepathy Tapes, is like, very well researched. Like, what they're doing, they made sure they covered up any reflective surfaces. There was, they checked everybody for wires, they scanned the room for any device that could possibly transmit information. There was nothing.

• 2:13:28Joe Rogan?

  And these children were able to do this like 100% of the time. This is, it's a real documented phenomenon that a lot of people were reluctant to believe in. You know, because it's one of those things, you believe in, oh, you believe in fucking fairy tales, superstition shit, you're a sucker. But no, it's real. There's, there's some sort of a bond that exists. And the more people that I've talked to about this, think that this is, it's not that this is an emerging phenomenon in human beings, but it's a neglected aspect of our senses.

• 2:14:04Speaker 01

  Of awareness.

• 2:14:05Joe Rogan?

  Because of language and because of media, we're being exposed to things all the time. So we've, we've kind of let that part of our brain atrophy. But that's intuition, that's when you know things about someone, you meet someone, you know they're full of shit. You know, some people, you meet them and like, right away, like, get me the fuck away from this guy. You know what I mean?

• 2:14:23Speaker 01

  I get you.

• 2:14:24Joe Rogan?

  You feel their, their spirit.

• 2:14:26Speaker 01

  They's got it, you feel some of his energy, right?

• 2:14:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's, there's something real to that. And if you're in tune to it, you'll live a better life because you'll make better decisions. Because that ener, you'll feel that energy and you'll go, I see where this is going.

• 2:14:38Speaker 01

  I've had this, yeah, this thing has been going on. So it was funny, because when I said to the medium, I said, I'm here.

• 2:14:48Speaker 01

  Where's my sister? She said, oh, she just, she doesn't need to talk to you. I said, what the f- I said, I just made this whole thing to come here. She said, she talks to you every day. She talks to you all the time. Cause I was raising her kid. My parents, he lived with my mom and dad, live right next door to us. Lori and I have the two boys, Hunter and Ryder, but we're all a big family and within the same acre. And I'm thinking, I'm like, wow. It is happening. I do, I get all these things, cause I'm thinking about things I'm talking to Jules about, and things I'm working with Jules about as a young boy, and just all these things that, and a lot of it coming from things I think of my sister. And, I don't know. I, I, this is way outside of the spectrum of anything I ever talk about.

• 2:15:32Speaker 01

  I mean, I tell my close friends about it, and probably people are watching this now saying, isn't that guy that does the show about the pizza? Where's he coming off on this, on this talking to his dad, the owl? The non-smart bird? But, I believe, well, you've seen the stories about somebody that's autistic and then they can just hear a song and play the piano.

• 2:15:51Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:15:51Speaker 01

  I mean, that's not hocus pocus. That's not fake stuff. There, this is really, our brains are so much more powerful.

• 2:15:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:58Speaker 01

  Than, you know, than we, it's like talking to people from, I have a buddy of mine that's from, from Germany. He speaks four languages. He's a pretty smart guy, but he speaks four languages. They, they all get taught English in school.

• 2:16:11Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:16:11Speaker 01

  While they get taught German.

• 2:16:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:16:13Speaker 01

  From a young age, from like first grade.

• 2:16:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:16Speaker 01

  So they all, you know, most of them all know how to speak a second language. But, once you can learn a language and learn the, you know, how to adapt to languages, you have the opportunity to, you know, be more, you know, available to learn other languages. I, I just, you sit there and look at it and go, man, do we, do we not utilize, how much do we use?

• 2:16:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we distract ourselves a little out of nonsense. But that's also like the difference between like an athlete and a sedentary person. Like, obviously your body can do a lot more than you're asking of it. You know, but there's something about autistic kids, they tap into some aspect of the brain that's just unavailable to you and I. Like, there's this one kid who flew over Manhattan in a helicopter, and then did a absolutely picture-perfect detailed drawing of the skyline, just from memory.

• 2:17:02Speaker 01

  Mem- photo, yeah.

• 2:17:04Joe Rogan?

  And you watch him draw, you're like, this is insane. And then you see the actual photo of the skyline, and you're like, how? How? Here it is. This kid.

• 2:17:17Joe Rogan?

  I mean, this is incredible, man. So this kid's, look at that. How insane is that?

• 2:17:22Speaker 01

  From flying over one time?

• 2:17:23Joe Rogan?

  From fucking memory. Just from memory.

• 2:17:29Joe Rogan?

  I mean, this is incredible, man. Look at this.

• 2:17:35Joe Rogan?

  It's so nuts, man. Like, he remembers everything he saw. And then he's drawing it. And he's doing it in perspective.

• 2:17:44Speaker 01

  Joe, he's not drawing a picture. He's drawing a, he's doing a billboard.

• 2:17:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's not, not, it's a huge thing. And he's doing every fucking window, man. This kid remembers everything. It's nuts.

• 2:17:59Speaker 01

  I work with a program called Best Buddies. Have you ever heard of it? Working with intellectually disabled adults and kids. Had a cousin with intellectual disabilities. I just thought everybody had a cousin that was, you know, a little different, a little unique. And super major part of our family, Doug. And so I heard about, I learned about this, uh, program, Best Buddies. And it was started by Anthony Shriver, who's Unis, uh, Eunice Shriver's son. Eunice Shriver started the Special Olympics. And Sergeant Shriver was the, started the SEC, you know, the Shriver, Kennedys, that whole group. You know what I'm speaking of? So anyhow, I work with this program. And I work with these intellectually disabled adults and kids called Best Buddies.

• 2:18:41Speaker 01

  And when I got involved, it was Tom Brady hosting a celebrity football game at Harvard. And everybody would come and get involved and the buddies that were athletic would participate. And I was just there to, because I was invited to go. So I had to do something, so I cooked. I made appetizers for the event. And it was so funny how these buddies would gravitate towards me. And they wanted to cook. You know, food's that common denominator of all people. And so we really have developed the program into this Best Buddies program where we got all the buddies partnering with chefs. And the buddies love to do the repetitive, love to, things that are laid out, organized, and put them together and so forth. But just an amazing group of people.

• 2:19:23Speaker 01

  And huge hearts and huge energy and huge, never a bad day.

• 2:19:29Speaker 01

  Always a smile, always happy, always want to give you a hug. You know, there's just so many, but again, when we were talking about things that get glazed over, things that get, you know, you had school, you had the special ed group and they went off to their space and we never, never really, I think, educated people how to work inside or work with or understand or have the compassion to understand, you know, people with disabilities. And fortunately, I think we're getting better at it. I think our country is, or our world is starting to, but you know, when we can look at that and take that appreciation and see that and not see that as weird, but take that and appreciate it and think it and say, wow.

• 2:20:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:05Speaker 01

  You know, here's somebody that's taking a difficulty or a major difficulty and doing something with it. And I think that's, we need to be more, we need to open our minds up more to that stuff. There's a lot of-

• 2:20:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, we don't really understand all that the mind is capable of. When you see someone do something like that, you're like, why is that available to an autistic kid and not available to everyone else? Like, what is it about that? Like, what is it about whatever he's missing in his ability to communicate or, I don't know if he's nonverbal, I don't know what that young man's issues are in particular, but clearly, there's something that doesn't work well, so something else works in an extraordinary way. And this is a thing with like, some of them that are just geniuses when it comes to music or mathematics or whatever it is. Like, it's like, the, the brain has this insane potential

• 2:20:59Joe Rogan?

  in all sorts of weird ways and, which brings us back to like, how much, how much of the problem is like, what we're distracting our brains with every day? And what kind of fuel are you feeding your brain? You're feeding your brain a bunch of bullshit and nonsense and gossip and, you know, negativity all day long.

• 2:21:18Speaker 01

  And how much we're not paying attention to.

• 2:21:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:20Speaker 01

  How much we're not paying attention to. Like I was just saying, when that now becomes, because we can chronicle it and we can see the video of it, it gets on social media, we can be aware of it, there's the positive side of social media. But there's so many of these buddies, like this young lady got up and sang the other day at this event.

• 2:21:39Speaker 01

  And, you know, very non-communicative and when you just see her on the thing, but once she got on stage, she just blossomed into this, you know, this other person. So I think that we're hopefully starting to take some recognition to the fact that there's more potential and it should be recognized.

• 2:21:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:57Speaker 01

  It's, it's trippy.

• 2:21:58Joe Rogan?

  It is trippy. It's, it's, it's trippy when you see these savants. And you, you wonder like, what is it about them that makes them so extraordinary? And is this like, is this going to be more people like that in the future? Like, obviously cavemen couldn't do that, but these people could do that. Is there, is it gonna be more people like that in the future? Will there be more savants? You know, like where, where is the, like the human species headed?

• 2:22:26Speaker 01

  But then do we have some of these people that we don't call them savants or something? But there's some people that have invented some shit and created some stuff and took some recognition, some awareness to, you know, bacterias become, you know, Louis Pasteur. I mean, there, there's some people that have some, some higher thinking power that you've taken us down some paths that, you know, it's like the computer and all of that that was, I mean, I, I, I can lose, you can, you can lose yourself in it. That somebody was able to, I do it with, with architecture. When I look at a building and you look at these gigantic skyscrapers. And I'm happy when I can build a woodshed that's, that's square. You know, that everything lines up correctly, but somebody's gonna do this out of steel and cement and glass and all this thing.

• 2:23:11Speaker 01

  And they just build that and it's perfect. And you just look at that and go, wow, what goes on in their mind? Cause I'll make you a really good pasta dish right now.

• 2:23:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a place for everybody in this world. That's the thing. It's like whatever their personality is, the way their mind works, it's suited to architecture. Yours is suited to food. Some suited to music. There's some people that are, you know, comedic geniuses. There's some people that are artistic geniuses. It's like, that's the beautiful thing about life. It's the most difficult thing for young people is to find the correct path. And the worst thing is when you're on the wrong path and you just live a life of suffering and you wish you were doing something else. That's the saddest thing to me, is someone who really wants to do something else. I mean, that's the classic song, right? Let's sing us a song, you're the piano man.

• 2:23:57Speaker 01

  It's, it's fostering, so what I try to do with, when I speak to young kids or classrooms or schools or whatever I do. Say quit chasing the dollar. Quit, quit looking at it thinking, I wanna make the money.

• 2:24:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:24:12Speaker 01

  I just say, the first thing I say to them, what makes you happy?

• 2:24:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:24:15Speaker 01

  What do you enjoy? Because if you enjoy it, it's not a job. If you enjoy it, you'll be able to put so much more time and energy into it without being tired. You know, go be your best self and go find what you love in life. And if you do that, it's gonna come. See, the, the ability to survive, the ability to live and have a house, it will come to you. Now, that's not to say just because you love art, means that you're gonna be Picasso tomorrow and you're gonna do it. You might have to actually go put in some hard work and take an art class. You're gonna have to do some shit. But you got to, and that's the other thing we're missing. Hard work?

• 2:24:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:51Speaker 01

  Let's remember that.

• 2:24:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:53Speaker 01

  Anybody says that, there's no such thing as nine to five job. I work every single day, all the time. I mean, if I'm having fun, if I'm out, you know, ripping it up, I'm at a stage, I'm having fun. But it's always gonna be work, it's always coming back to taking care of business. Um, but I, I just think that when people start getting lost with that, one of the things I hope that the nucleus around these kids is that we foster imagination, foster critical thinking, back to what we're saying. And foster them into achieving their goals. Help them write goals. Help them have belief. You know, we can't just set them away. They're getting lost in their phone and believing that they're gonna be a TikTok star.

• 2:25:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a problem. That's a problem. When you ask kids, like, what do they want to do? And a large percentage of them just wanna be famous. Cause they see, see these famous people and they see like, oh, that guy's got a Ferrari. Look at that guy's got a big house.

• 2:25:48Speaker 01

  Isn't that mind blowing though?

• 2:25:49Joe Rogan?

  It's mind blowing.

• 2:25:50Speaker 01

  It's, and it's such a false reality.

• 2:25:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's also a reality for some people. So it's like what they're looking for. And it's also the thing that they're getting on their phone all day long. They're getting people who are doing it and you can do it. You know, it's a really crazy statistic? 10% of girls that are between 18 and I think like 25 are on OnlyFans.

• 2:26:19Speaker 01

  What?

• 2:26:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, one out of 10 girls are posing on OnlyFans. And here it gets even crazier. I think it's something like.

• 2:26:33Joe Rogan?

  The number of, like, what's the percentage of men that are subscribing to OnlyFans? I think it's 80 million.

• 2:26:42Speaker 01

  Watch this, he's gonna pull up, he's gonna pull up in 10 seconds. Can I call him for research, by the way?

• 2:26:47Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:26:48Speaker 01

  Jesus.

• 2:26:48Joe Rogan?

  I think that there's like 160 million men in this country and 80 million of them are on OnlyFans. Are subscribing to OnlyFans. Yeah.

• 2:27:01Speaker 01

  I've seen some of the stats, I've heard the numbers.

• 2:27:03Joe Rogan?

  Literally like 50% of the men of a certain age are subscribing to OnlyFans and 10% of the girls are involved in being models.

• 2:27:13Speaker 04

  So, the, the number you said about 10% checks out, but it's like, it's using stats. Says there's 1.2 million women aged 18 and 24 on OnlyFans and there are approximately 10 million women that age in America, so.

• 2:27:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, 10%.

• 2:27:31Speaker 04

  Uh, and then.

• 2:27:31Joe Rogan?

  10% of the girls are showing their body and doing things on OnlyFans for money.

• 2:27:37Speaker 04

  I got 82 million men are reported to subscribe to OnlyFans. Might be overstated.

• 2:27:45Speaker 04

  Uh, but this also weirdly says that the platform had 1.2 million American women, so that's almost all of them are 18 and 24. There's 200, and this also says there's 3 million registered creators, so I don't know who the other 1.6 are.

• 2:27:57Joe Rogan?

  Probably over 24.

• 2:27:59Speaker 04

  Or dudes.

• 2:28:01Joe Rogan?

  Or dudes, yeah, that's right, there's dudes that do it too, yeah.

• 2:28:04Speaker 04

  There's not, wouldn't be more dudes than women on there, that's, that's.

• 2:28:07Joe Rogan?

  Kind of crazy.

• 2:28:08Speaker 01

  Can't take a piss?

• 2:28:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, let's just, we can wrap this up.

• 2:28:10Speaker 01

  No, I don't wanna wrap this up, I'm having too much.

• 2:28:12Joe Rogan?

  We gotta wrap it up soon, we're doing it 2 hours and 40 minutes.

• 2:28:15Speaker 01

  I don't fucking wanna go anywhere, this is fucking awesome. If you would, by the way, congratulations on not drinking.

• 2:28:20Joe Rogan?

  But I have to, I can't keep doing this forever. Thank you.

• 2:28:22Speaker 01

  I've listened and I applaud you. I think that you read yourself, read your body, read your mind, tell you, you know, heard you talking about it. I think that, you know, people need to listen to themselves.

• 2:28:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:32Speaker 01

  And, you know, see how it makes them feel. I talk about people, what they eat and how it makes them feel. But, um, no, that's a, that's a big, uh, no, I, I think this is weird. It's like, we don't, there's so many other things. I was just gonna pick your brain about the dark web. Because that's another thing that I just sit there and go, what is back? I don't even wanna know what's behind that door.

• 2:28:51Joe Rogan?

  You don't wanna know.

• 2:28:52Speaker 01

  And I don't wanna know what's behind that door and it scares me, cuz I started talking to that, that, uh, that tech security people. Um, but it's like this OnlyFans stuff. I mean, I don't even wanna know about it. I don't even wanna...

• 2:29:03Joe Rogan?

  The darkness of the human soul, it exists always. And for a lot of these girls, like, they just don't wanna have a regular job and then they get caught up in this OnlyFans thing and then you're making a lot of money.

• 2:29:13Speaker 01

  Living in perpetuity?

• 2:29:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I know.

• 2:29:16Speaker 01

  You wanna talk about that one? Let that one ride for you cuz people are screen grabbing that stuff and people are recording that stuff and it's...

• 2:29:23Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep.

• 2:29:24Speaker 01

  Good luck on that one.

• 2:29:25Joe Rogan?

  I know, and it's just like, nobody's telling them that when they're young. They're not getting raised properly, unfortunately.

• 2:29:30Speaker 01

  For the little bit of scratch you're getting now and then how that affects you in your life later. I mean, it's, yeah, we need, it's, I'm not, you know, I don't have the answer for it, but I really think that I was talking about making a contribution to your community. You know, I remember how much, how many parents used to come to the classroom and help in the classroom when I was a kid. I don't know if that still happens. I don't know what goes on. But this mentorship program, I ran into a guy the other day with, it was a big brother, big brother, big sister program. And I was just so, it was great to meet him. I'm like, tell me about it, man. Like, you're doing that? I didn't even know the program existed anymore.

• 2:30:05Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 2:30:06Speaker 01

  So there's, there's things like that, that I just hope we still remember that we had some really core fundamentals. Doesn't mean our era was right or that we didn't do it without failure. We didn't do it without our issues, you know, as we were speaking. But I really hope that, uh, we continue to believe in ourselves because we can right the ship, man.

• 2:30:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's always gonna be good in this world and there's always gonna be evil and you gotta kinda like, battle it out. That's, that's part of what life is about and the unfortunate thing is that a lot of that evil is why you appreciate the good. You know, and the good is there to show people that there's another path.

• 2:30:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, back to the beginning of, you know, you're not political, you're, I mean, you've got your, but the positivity in the conversation that goes on, John Krasinski during COVID, I did his show. He had this really cool podcast, or I don't know what exactly he called the shows. Did you see it? It was all the right, it was about, it was a whole positive, oh, it was a great, it was a great, God, I can't think of the name of it. It was an acronym. It was like all positive stuff or something along those lines. Helped me raise some money. I was raising money for restaurant workers. And we just need more positive noise. We need more positive message.

• 2:31:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and people need to take, make a decision in their own mind, that they want to accentuate the positive aspects of their own life, and stop dwelling on the negative, and move forward, and try to be a positive influence in as many ways as they can.

• 2:31:35Speaker 01

  You're doing it, man.

• 2:31:37Joe Rogan?

  You're here.

• 2:31:38Speaker 01

  You too, brother.

• 2:31:39Joe Rogan?

  You too.

• 2:31:40Speaker 01

  You set the example. What a pleasure. Thank you for having me.

• 2:31:41Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure.

• 2:31:42Speaker 01

  I've looked forward to this for a really long time.

• 2:31:43Joe Rogan?

  I enjoyed it very much. It was fun.

• 2:31:44Speaker 01

  I think that my, my three boys are getting more of a kick out of this than anybody in the room.

• 2:31:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, hi to them.

• 2:31:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:50Joe Rogan?

  And thanks to you. Appreciate you. Thanks for being here, and thank you for the cigars. It was very nice.

• 2:31:54Speaker 01

  Keep it up.

• 2:31:55Joe Rogan?

  Thank you. I will. All right.

• 2:31:57Speaker 01

  Tell me whenever I can help.

• 2:31:58Joe Rogan?

  Yes, sir. All right. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.