#183: Defending Eastern Europe - Romanian Special Operations Forces Commander Major General Claudiu Dobocan

Romania is one of America’s key allies in the fight for Eastern Europe. Romanian Special Forces are critical to the success of that mission; and the partnership between United States Special Operations and our Romanian counterparts sits at the center of that strategy. From the Global Special Operations Symposium in Athens, Greece https://gsofeurope.org/, Fran Racioppi https://www.linkedin.com/in/francisracioppijr/ sat down with Major General Claudiu Dobocan https://web.cvent.com/event/353eb221-7f67-4651-b2e8-98d4c9635eee/websitePage:7c2a2c10-bdfa-4344-9ee8-f48b1484286f, Commander of the Romanian Special Operations Forces, to discuss how Romanian Special Operations are combatting Russian aggression and holding the line in Europe. General Dobocan shared his perspective on strengthening SOF partnerships, advancing interoperability, and building modern capabilities that allow allied forces to operate seamlessly together. He spoke about Romania’s place within NATO, the importance of trust and shared mission across borders, and the need for Special Operations units to remain agile and prepared for the full spectrum of emerging threats. From combating hybrid threats to maintaining readiness alongside allied SOF elements, General Dobocan emphasized that success today depends on relationships, shared understanding, and the willingness to stand together in the face of uncertainty. Highlights 0:00 Introduction1:26 Welcome to GSOF Europe 20253:21 Mission of Romanian Special Operations Forces8:45 Evolution of technology in SOF10:45 Eliminating Human-in-the-Loop?13:35 Changes in military tactics16:57 Romanian Special Forces Mission18:44 Why Join the Romanian Army?20:06 NATO Alliance Importance25:24 Leading against a Global Threat Quotes “We were created by cooperation between Romanian Ministry of Defense and US SOCEUR.” “Interoperability, no one really talks about what that really means.” “Words carrying value carry meaning.”“Industry defines the speed of technological development.”“The strategic game changer is generative AI.”“I’m scared of the moment when everything is passed to AI.”“I don’t think swarming is going to be the next way of doing battle.”“Our mission is to be a strategic level instrument that helps with reaction to crisis and building partnerships and capabilities in the region.”“10th Group and 20th Group came around and showed us what right looks like so I signed up.”“It’s a tool that kind of prevents conflict.”“NATO is the umbrella under which we share a lot of things that otherwise we cannot discuss about.”“When you talk about the good work NATO has done, you have to talk about the standards.”“We have to be deterrent on our part, but capable to move from military assistance type of missions into a very kinetic one.” Special thanks to the Global Special Operations Foundation for hosting us in Athens. Follow the Jedburgh Podcast https://www.instagram.com/jedburghpodcast/ and the Green Beret Foundation https://www.instagram.com/greenberetfoundation/ on social media. Listen on your favorite podcast platform https://pod.link/1558608802, read on our website https://greenberetfoundation.org/the-jedburgh-podcast/, and watch the full video version on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@jedburghpodcast as we show why America must continue to lead from the front, no matter the challenge.

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• 0:02Fran Racioppi?

  Romania is one of America's key allies in the fight for Eastern Europe. Romanian special forces are critical to the success of that mission. And the partnership between United States Special Operations and our Romanian counterparts sits at the center of that strategy. From the Global Special Operations Symposium in Athens, Greece, I sat down with Major General Claudio Dobocan, commander of the Romanian Special Operations Forces, to discuss how Romanian Special Operations are combating Russian aggression and holding a line in Europe. General Dobocan shared his perspective on strengthening soft partnerships, advancing interoperability, and building modern capabilities that allow allied forces to operate seamlessly together. He spoke about Romania's place within NATO, the importance of trust in shared mission

• 0:45Fran Racioppi?

  across borders, and the need for special operations units to remain agile and prepared for the full spectrum of emerging threats. From combating hybrid threats to maintaining readiness alongside allied soft elements, General Dobocan emphasized that success today depends on relationships, shared understanding, and the willingness to stand together in the face of uncertainty. Special thanks to the Global Special Operations Foundation for hosting us in Athens. Follow the Jedburgh Podcast and the Green Beret Foundation on social media. Listen on your favorite podcast platform, read on our website, and watch the full video version on YouTube as we show you why America must continue to lead from the front no matter the challenge.

• 1:25Fran Racioppi?

  General Dobocan, welcome to the Jedburgh Podcast.

• 1:28Speaker 01

  Thank you very much for having me. I actually go by CD in the community because a long time ago when I used to attend some courses in the States, they would mess up my name so badly. So I said, okay, let's stick to the CD. And later on, Admiral McRaven, he said, you're not the CD, you're high-speed, so we'll call you Blu-ray. But I still go by CD for the friends.

• 1:53Fran Racioppi?

  I'm actually used to having a last name with Chopie. It gets wrong about 90% of the time. So people say, what's your name? I say Fran. It's very similar.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Fran Chopie. That's not that bad.

• 2:05Fran Racioppi?

  Yeah, my Italian brothers are running around here behind us. We're here at G-SOFT Europe. In Athens, a really great opportunity to bring this, the global special forces community together and have some really important conversations about interoperability, you know, and how do we build relationships across each of our nation's SOF leadership, but then also get an inside look and lessons learned as to what's happening today in the various regions of the world. You command the Romanian Special Forces, longtime ally of the United States, and it's an honor to sit with you because we have spent on this show, close to 300 episodes now, five years, where we have covered special operations

• 2:47Fran Racioppi?

  community from the American perspective. And being an American, we always tend to put ourselves first. That's the most important perspective, but what SOF teaches you is that that is actually not the most important perspective, because that perspective of our partners and our allies is actually oftentimes the most important perspective. And so to be able to come here, sit down with yourself, and we've been able to sit down with a few other leaders from our allies as well is truly an honor, because we haven't had that opportunity to cover the perspective of what's going on in the world from your angle. So I appreciate you very much spending some time with me.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  Thank you very much for the question, but it's very open and let's hope we can focus it a little bit. So in terms of US being not important, I will contradict you because US is very important, especially in the SOF domain. We were created by the cooperation between Romanian Ministry of Defense and the US SOCURE. We had a lot of advisor in the beginning. I myself am a graduate of the Q course conducted in Romania with the instructors from the US Special Forces School. So later on, I attended other courses in the States and so on and so forth. So, education, training, and material provided

• 4:02Speaker 01

  by the US in the beginning of our formation were critical for the inception. So with that said, I'm gonna move into the main question you had, interoperability and how that defines the situation in our neighbor. So Romania is situated in the southeast

• 4:20Speaker 01

  East Europe, so it's flash in the middle of the former Balkans problem set and the Ukrainian problem set. And also to add the complexity of the region, you get the Transnistrian frozen conflict, the Black Sea harassment and so on and so forth. So Romania is in a very peculiar position. And it had to develop partners, it had to develop capabilities to be able to create solutions for itself and then contribute to larger NATO plans or NATO security approach. So your loaded question about the interoperability is actually a very tricky one, but thank you very much for for giving this question to the floor.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  Interoperability, nobody really talks about it, what that really means. If you look at the baseline, what you mean by interoperability, first of all, is language. So in reality, there are no problems if you talk about US and Romanian special forces on the language side of the interoperability. But it's not the same between US forces and some Middle Eastern partners. You can go down the list, but I don't want to name any countries that are doing their best to catch up with the language concern. The second problem set that interoperability entails, but nobody talks about it, is TTPs. If you went to the same courses, the same schools, you kind of have the same understanding of

• 5:48Speaker 01

  move left, cover right, or something like that, the baseline would be understood. But if you are to operate with somebody you did not work before and does not have the same baseline in TTPs, then you're in trouble. The third level is material. Is my rifle shooting the same ammunition as yours? Is the bandwidth of my radio similar to yours, so the two stations can connect to one another? Maybe yes, maybe no. So now we get into the complexities of the NATO formats. The fourth level of interoperability, we have to talk about our concepts. So if what I understand by

• 6:30Speaker 01

  Deterrence is not the same that you understand by deterrence. Then we have a problem. For example, when people say Russian Federation has to be deterred in Ukraine. I don't think the word is correct because if the occupation already started, you have to use the word coercion. And the coercion means military instrument of state power and so on and so forth. So concepts are very important. Because words carry value, carry meaning, carry symbol. So, and the fifth one is technology. So if you talk about interrupt probability on technology arena, then you realize we are starting to run in a lot of troubles. And I'm gonna explain why. Yeah.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  The present is affected by our recent past. Afghanistan, Iraq were the great unifiers. Okay? The future doesn't look as bright. Why? Because industry defines the speed of technological development in many areas. And because most of the technology develops with the state money, that information would be proprietary. And the technology will be restricted to a few nations, like Five Eyes or something like that. So it is, in my opinion, that today we're good. Because we work together, but the future doesn't look as bright.

• 7:51Speaker 01

  Because of the political industrial barriers to our sharing of technology.

• 7:58Fran Racioppi?

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• 8:29Fran Racioppi?

  You brought up 10 more questions in my head. I kind of want to dig into a couple of them because I think they're really important. So first, when you talk about technology, we've seen rapid technological advancement in your area over the last couple of years. With the Russian invasion into Ukraine, with the broader aggression across the region, as you outlined, and where Romania sits in the center of many of the regional conflicts, you've seen firsthand some of these technological advancements in terms of drones and unmanned aerial vehicles and how effective they have been, both in targeting not only formations, but targeting down to the individual. When you look at technology and you look at the, and we can walk the floors through here and see there's everything, you land, sea and air here.

• 9:14Fran Racioppi?

  What is the technology that you think is critical for the Romanian special forces to be able to use to work with other nations in the countering of the Russian aggression within the area?

• 9:25Speaker 01

  Well, the question is, for today, I do not see a very critical technology that I'm missing today, but I cannot speak about the future that way. For example, in the last three years, the budget dedicated to the SOF has increased significantly, and we've made conscious decisions into how to leverage the acquisition process into covering the gaps and potential requirements for the force for the future. But the technology moves in a pace or at a speed that no one can predict, but I will try and give you some of the predictions we think the technology will address.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  So if you think about the Second World War and the immediately post-Second World War, we were talking about the maneuverist approach to warfare that was built on industrial superiority. We are, at that time, of course, the maneuver and amassing of forces were the key tactics. Today, we are moving toward a swarming concept where the drones seem to be important. It is my estimation that the Drones will be relevant, but not critical for the future because they are mostly like an ammunition or another platform that carries a sensor.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  It does not do battle for you. It can disrupt you, it can delay. But as a, mostly as a tactic, not as strategic game changer. But the strategic game changer, which we have to understand, is generative AI. When the AI makes its own decision and using the capabilities given by the autonomous drones, it will affect significantly the world landscape.

• 11:16Fran Racioppi?

  So the term that we've heard time and time again is human in the loop. And the need with the integration of AI to keep a human in the loop for decision-making processes. So do you think that there's a world in which AI is making decisions and removing humans from that decision-making process?

• 11:36Speaker 01

  I heard a couple of weeks ago in a conference, a human in the loop, a human on the loop, meaning you're there to stop a decision that's on the brink of being made by AI. Or you stop the cycle of AI and you have to have a human moving a decision from one step to the other one. So they are totally different because if it's the smaller influence of the person, you might have a tired person or a drowsy person or somebody that will just not look into what that means and will say, agree. But if that person has to move the decision from one position to another position in the AI cycle,

• 12:17Speaker 01

  that will mean that person consciously decided to give the green light to AI. So we're doing this for many, many years in targeting. We have like five people that can press a button. Yes, the conditions are met. Yes, the plate is in the air. Yes, yes, yes. So that's kind of the. Primitive AI, if you remember in targeting, we had in terms of the future where the generative AI will make their own decision, that kind of scares me a little bit. If it has access to all the equipment armaments and whatnot, because then whoever gets into the back door or the cycle, inner cycle of the AI, that person or that's entity will have the

• 13:01Speaker 01

  control of the warfare. So I'm scared of the moment when everything is passed to the AI.

• 13:08Fran Racioppi?

  Yeah.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  Me being in the soft, we say humans are more important than software or more important than AI. So I do believe that.

• 13:17Fran Racioppi?

  Yeah. You brought up the concept of massing forces and in the context of World War II. And really that, that concept of massing forces permeated through the Gulf War into even Iraq. You know, Afghanistan to an extent, a little bit more expeditionary, especially in the early days. When we look at what we're terming large scale combat operations against near peer enemies, nation state on nation state at the superpower level, our job in soft is to prevent and push that day down the road. How long can we prevent that is really what we're out there to do. But when we look at massing forces, historically allied nations have been able to mass forces on

• 14:00Fran Racioppi?

  borders to be able to, to then conduct some sort of defense or invasion. When we look at the information to AI, we look at large scale combat operations and the, the ability to deep sensor through aviation platforms, the integration of space and long range precision fires, do you think future conflict will see the ability of nations to mass forces pre-conflict? Or do you think it becomes more expeditionary in nature?

• 14:28Speaker 01

  So in the history of the mankind, I kind of studied about 2000 years of history of tactics, because I was passionate about something else. So I discovered that the tactics are only four, and they are used in cyclical format, and they change maybe every 200, 300 years as soon as the new technologies or some edge comes up. And I'm gonna recap. In the beginning, the tribes used to war to fight wars in swarming formation. They would attack from all the directions by surprise at night or something like that. So when the tribe that received too many losses, they got smarter. What did they do?

• 15:11Speaker 01

  They moved to a line warfare. They did not came two or three guys, they came 15 lined up, so they would not be surprised from all the direction. And of course, then the, let's say, the previous tribe found out that's the new tactic, and they said, "Okay, let's group a mass and break the fronts." And then the next iteration was, "Okay, if we cannot bring too many people to a mass forces, what we will do? We will envelop them." So let's recap. So the first tactic was swarming, the line warfare, the mass warfare, the maneuver warfare. And then you get into the next cycle. So the next cycle was armed cavalry.

• 15:55Speaker 01

  So like swarming, and then what you do? You build ramparts to block them, line warfare, and a mass, then you bring the tank to a mass forces to break through the lines and so on and so forth. So the history is cyclical. Not in terms of the tactics repeating. The tactics are repeating, but the equipment, their weapon system changes. So if you look at the drone warfare, everyone thinks is the future. Think about... The drones as the ammunition or the platform through which you will conduct your swarming. So yes, the swarming is the the next step in the evolution of warfare.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  But I think the development of the counter weapons will show that we will be moving very soon into a line type of warfare. Because the standoff distance you'll see it will increase. As much as I can hit you from fifty kilometers, you will move all your forces fifty kilometers back and you will try and find a weapon that shoots from seventy kilometers away. So the standoff distance will increase. But I don't think the swarming is going to be the next way of doing battle. Maybe at the periphery.

• 17:15Fran Racioppi?

  I want to ask you about specifically the Romanian Special Forces.

• 17:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 17:20Fran Racioppi?

  Romania has been, as we mentioned, the longtime ally of the United States, instrumental in both Iraq and in Afghanistan. From your perspective as the commander of the formation, what is the mission of the Romanian Special Forces?

• 17:35Speaker 01

  Very, very interesting question. So the mission is not what we do, but what do we do for what purpose? So we are legislated, we are written into the defense organizational law. So the Romanian SOCOM is part of the strategic assets in the defense formations. So that said, we are a strategic element, but we also build and develop capabilities to be used by the operational level commanders. But we do have strategic assets. In terms of what we do conceptually, special reconnaissance, military assistance, direct action and commercial warfare.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  The reality is the mission types do not define our mission, so to speak. Our mission is to be a strategic level instrument that helps.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  With the reaction to crisis and building partnerships and capabilities in the region. So if we're in a conflict or something like that, we have the regional partners around us that can help solve any crisis. So that's, that would be a short definition of what we do.

• 18:54Fran Racioppi?

  Sure. We all have a choice to make when we decide to become a soldier. I made the decision in the post nine eleven world. So nine eleven was my junior year in college. And I had to decide, do I want to go be a reporter in the middle of nowhere in America? Or do I want to go follow these guys with beards and long hair, riding horses through the desert of Afghanistan? And so that's what, that's what my calling was. Why did you join the Romanian army? And then ultimately want to serve in special forces?

• 19:19Speaker 01

  Actually joined a long, long time ago in ninety one. So I signed up for the Army Academy, like your West Point. So I became an airborne, an infantry graduate. I signed up for airborne school and I served my first three years of the career in a special mission unit. But it was, it was mostly focused on sabotage and reconnaissance type unit. Later on.

• 19:45Fran Racioppi?

  Like the LRS unit, like the LRS units?

• 19:47Speaker 01

  Yes. So later on, I moved into an airborne battalion. And then I signed up for special forces and so on and so forth. So in reality, I think the two thousand one, the nine eleven accelerated my transition toward the grimoire race. Because before that, we did not really understood that model. We didn't have the reference. But after two thousand one, the tenth group and the twentieth group, they came around and they showed us what the right looks like. So I signed up.

• 20:18Fran Racioppi?

  What is the value in your perspective of the NATO alliance? We've heard a lot about defense spending from various countries and meeting certain, you know, minimum thresholds. But at the end of the day, to the warfighter, you know, that doesn't really matter. What matters is the alliance that's built from the relationships that we build as leaders. But how important is the NATO alliance to regional stability?

• 20:40Speaker 01

  NATO alliance, if you think about the foundational documents and the role it was initially and later on, it built on collective defense. But in the recent years, you've heard deter aggression and collective defense. So it's a tool that kind of prevents conflict. Okay. But NATO also has one of the missions. It has crisis management, meaning you're trying to deter, you're trying to do something. But if there are crises outside of your region or outside of area of responsibility, you have to go and support. And the third mission is cooperative security.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  This is the one I like best because it allows you to reinvent yourself as the alliance. So if it's peace, then at the periphery, you build new capabilities, new friends. If the friends are in trouble, you activate more toward the crisis management and so on and so forth. So nowadays, you hear collective defense is important. My opinion, all three missions are important in NATO. And now, why NATO is important to me? I'll say the soft perspective. I served in NATO Soft Coordination Center in 2008, 2011. So at that time, we had no common standards, we had no reference book.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  But NATO helped us all talk to one another. At that time, we were 27 nations, now we're over 30, and we kind of got to a level playing field. We were happy to exchange tactics, techniques and procedures. And you have to realize that soft doesn't really share unless they have the authority to do so. So NATO is the umbrella under which we share a lot of things that otherwise we cannot discuss about.

• 22:37Fran Racioppi?

  So you mentioned a commonality that NATO has been able to to establish some commonality. And earlier in the conversation, you talked about interoperability in the lens of communication, material, TTPs. NATO has done a lot of work, and we're going to sit down tomorrow with the folks from NATO Diana to talk about innovation. But what are some of the areas where NATO has really done some great work in creating that interoperability and bringing us from interoperability in terms of can you and I talk to each other and share information to here's my platform, go ahead and use it and give it back to me when we're done. Because those are two different levels of interoperability.

• 23:17Speaker 01

  Correct. When you talk about the good work NATO has done, you have to talk about the standards, meaning there is a volume, it's called Allied Command Operations of Force Standards for Special Operations. It has 11 chapters, if I'm not wrong, but seven of them talk about the standards applicable in all the joint functions, meaning command and control. What is the minimum you have to have for command and control? Intelligence, what is the minimum you do and you have to have to be able to exchange? So in reality, the first, I apologize,

• 23:57Speaker 01

  the first Bible of the SOF community was written by the NSCC under Admiral McRaven leadership and the Stupradians one. So in reality, to be able to have a reference book, what is it that you have to have and to do to be able to be interoperable? And later on, in 2011, early 2012, the checklist was published, which is volume 11 of the same Allied Command Operations Forces Standards. So in reality, the foundational documents were done by the NATO SOF Coordination Center, NSCC. And I think without them, the successes in operations

• 24:39Speaker 01

  in Afghanistan, Iraq could have not happened. So because NSCC standardized the things,

• 24:47Speaker 01

  Then the industry was brought along to start building some of the systems that will enhance the standards. And then NATO changed the standards again by elevating some of them, the qualitative one, or including new requirements like directed energy or something like that. So that's the first part of the question. The second part was?

• 25:12Fran Racioppi?

  I think you got it off.

• 25:15Fran Racioppi?

  I got one more question for you, because then we got to get you to your next event. Certainly, we spent a lot of time throughout this entire conference talking about the situation in Ukraine. You border Ukraine, it's front and center to you, it's front and center to the troops that serve under your command. Culture is a big conversation that we're having right now in the US military. And where are we today? Where have we come from? Where do we want to be tomorrow? And you're seeing all levels of leadership within the US military front. You're really putting that in the forefront. When you look at your formation, kind of a two-part question. Here's the two-part question.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 25:49Fran Racioppi?

  When you look at your formation, what do you see in terms of the Romanian culture within the special operations units? And what's your vision and what's your guidance to your teams as you face a very real threat in your region that has the possibility at any moment to go from status quo to creating a broader global conflict?

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Okay, so I'll go back to 2014, actually to 2013, when Romanian SOF had a study in which the students of a planning course said that Crimea will be taken over, attacked, or, I don't know, subverted by the Russian interest, because Russia cannot afford to lose the warm water port of Sebastopol and the capacity to fix or refurbish submarines and so on and so forth. So when you hear in 2014 that nobody had predicted the occupation of Crimea, I disagree with that because I heard similar topics being discussed in Lithuania, Poland, and everybody's

• 26:56Speaker 01

  In agreement, yes, we notified the right people that this will happen. Because the analysis was one thing and the intelligence was a different thing. So Romania, Poland, Lithuania, the Baltic countries were all privy of how Russia has fought for three, four hundred years. And we are always fearful of the repeating aftermath of the Second World War. So we are, let's say, conscious that we have to be deterred on our part, but capable to move from military-resistant type of mission into very kinetic one. And of course, I cannot share with you details of the endowment, but yes, we are looking at the full spectrum of ammunition, equipment,

• 27:41Speaker 01

  to be able to operate kinetically at the maximum level.

• 27:47Fran Racioppi?

  And what's your guidance? What's your vision to your unit?

• 27:49Speaker 01

  To...

• 27:50Fran Racioppi?

  What do you want them to look like in five years?

• 27:52Speaker 01

  Well, if I'm being honest, the things the formation is doing today, I'm very proud of them. I would not want them to change, but to add special tactics capability and to be able to embrace the new technologies that appear and be able to maybe have a better connectivity with the industry, to be able to leverage what the industry is offering, but offering on our terms, not on the industrial terms. I think we are, in the whole NATO, we are subverting the requirements process, which is very good. Hey, these are my guests, my needs. And then you publish a tender, then some people compete or companies compete to fix that.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  And I don't like when we move to the discussion, this, let's say, company comes, this is the technology, buy it from me because it's the best. No, the military instruments has to dictate the requirements. And we're hoping the financial incentives or the cooperation will create the trust of the industry. Yes, you should talk to the SOF because they will give you the best feedback. Sometimes you will lose some money because you invest in a project and nobody buys it. But SOF will be the first one to tell you, please don't do that because you're wasting time.

• 29:12Fran Racioppi?

  And they'll give you honest feedback.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  They'll give you honest feedback.

• 29:15Fran Racioppi?

  If it could be broken, find a soft guy, they'll break it.

• 29:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:18Fran Racioppi?

  So, well, sir, I appreciate you taking a few minutes to talk to us. It's really getting a firsthand look at what's going on in these various conflict regions of the world is really important to the stories that we're telling. Romania has been really a strategic ally of the United States. I personally have never been to Romania or served with them. Hopefully one day I'll get to go, but I have a lot of friends from 10th Group who have been, and everybody I've ever met speaks very, very highly of the organization that you run and the partnership that they have with you. And as I came into here over the last couple of days, I will tell you that every single one of our American leaders came to me and asked me if I was going to be sitting down with you. So that's a testament to your leadership, the friendship and the partnership that you've

• 30:01Fran Racioppi?

  built with our nation's leaders, and I thank you so much.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  Thank you very much for the opportunity, and I look forward to inviting you to Romania, and hopefully you get to see Bucharest, but not only Bucharest, you should come to the countryside because we're a very diverse country, so looking forward to having you there.

• 30:18Fran Racioppi?

  All right. Thank you so much.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Thank you, friend.

• 30:25Fran Racioppi?

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• 31:10Fran Racioppi?

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