Mom Shaming, Crying Videos, and Not Giving a F*ck with Jackie Schimmel

We are joined by the one-and-only Jackie Schimmel of the Bitch Bible podcast for a candid, hilarious discussion not for the easily offended! We are talking about motherhood (why she doesn’t identify with being a “mama” and parenting on her own terms), how to not give a f*ck what strangers on the Internet think or say about you, her radical wellness journey and why we all need to be red lighting, and being with a genuinely kind partner when you always want to talk shit. We also discuss crying videos on social media and pop off about what’s pissing us off right now, from an insane micro-trend to the worst type of people in public. Before Jackie joins us, we answer an email from a listener wondering how long it takes attraction to grow, and we discuss how to improve your vocabulary. Enjoy! Follow Jackie on Instagram @jackieschimmel and listen to her podcast Bitch Bible. Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit https://girlsgottaeat.com for live show tickets and more. Thank you to our partners this week: Better Help: Therapy can help, get 10% off at https://betterhelp.com/gge. Article: Get a beautiful new couch or bed http://article.com. FP Movement: Go to http://fpmovement.com/ to shop their full line of activewear and workout gear. Nutrafol: Get $10 off your first order and free shipping at https://nutrafol.com with code GGE10. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  The day that you see mama in my bio, please call the cops and lock me up.

• 0:05Rayna Greenberg?

  A hundred percent.

• 0:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  This podcast is a Dear Media production.

• 0:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi, guys.

• 0:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hi, guys.

• 0:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Welcome back to another episode of Girls Gotta Eat.

• 0:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Welcome back.

• 0:29Rayna Greenberg?

  I have to tell you something. You said that oscillate was my word.

• 0:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 0:32Rayna Greenberg?

  On the episode, I wasn't here.

• 0:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  A couple of weeks ago, yeah.

• 0:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 0:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  You pick a word every episode.

• 0:36Rayna Greenberg?

  I do. Oscillate is, it happens a lot. I say oscillate a lot.

• 0:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  No. I saw this meme and I never, I never sent it to you, but it said like, it's so funny when you know your friend's trying out a new word.

• 0:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, pervasive was one week.

• 0:52Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I've been, I've been doing pervasive.

• 0:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know when you are introducing it.

• 0:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 0:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know when you're test driving it.

• 0:59Rayna Greenberg?

  So I do be doing that sometimes. I will learn a new word.

• 1:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is how it should be. This is how we build our vocabularies.

• 1:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. So I would like to just come out and say, a listener messaged me, I am using oscillating correctly. So oscillate and vacillate are two different words. Oscillate means an object. So an object would be like a ball. Yes, a fan oscillates, a physical fan. Vacillate means between like emotions. So you're like jumping between emotions.

• 1:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Are you sure?

• 1:24Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean vacillate.

• 1:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Are you sure?

• 1:26Rayna Greenberg?

  But people use them interchangeably. They're synonyms. Yes.

• 1:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, then they're synonyms.

• 1:31Rayna Greenberg?

  But people use them interchangeably, but what I mean is vacillate.

• 1:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  It says oscillate between means to repeatedly move or waver back and forth between two different points, states, opinions, or emotions.

• 1:41Rayna Greenberg?

  But it doesn't say an object. Did you read oscillate versus vacillate?

• 1:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  I just said oscillate meaning.

• 1:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Right, oscillate versus.

• 1:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Here's the Cambridge dictionary. If you oscillate between feelings or opinions, you can do that as well. My emotions oscillate between desperation and hope.

• 1:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, when I looked up oscillate versus vacillate.

• 1:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know why you're just defending this girl.

• 1:58Rayna Greenberg?

  I appreciate you, but I Googled it.

• 2:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm Googling it. We have the same.

• 2:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Thank you for saying it.

• 2:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Access.

• 2:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Thank you for being my voice when I had none.

• 2:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't appreciate her.

• 2:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Correct seeing you. It's fine to use. I know it is.

• 2:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, thank you.

• 2:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  What did I say the other day? Oh, I sometimes I'll say something and then I can tell you're like, I like that. I'm gonna introduce that one. What did I say? It's like a car word. I said, not deescalate.

• 2:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Car word?

• 2:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  I said, you need to something this relationship. You need to.

• 2:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Supercharge.

• 2:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, like.

• 2:27Rayna Greenberg?

  The opposite of supercharge.

• 2:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not.

• 2:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Recarberate. Recalibrate.

• 2:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 2:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Recalibrate? No, recalibrate. I've been using recalibrate. You didn't teach me recalibrate.

• 2:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  I didn't teach. Rena, you know, I know you know these words. I'm just saying.

• 2:40Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm trying to build it in.

• 2:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  It was recalibrate.

• 2:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, I do. I do recalibrate all the time.

• 2:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  You do?

• 2:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I've been doing recalibrate. Yeah.

• 2:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  I said it in a voice note. You said it back three times in the next voice.

• 2:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, you know, I like to repeat myself. You know, they say you have to see an ad three times before you buy the product. I say it three times before I commit.

• 2:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  I like what you're doing with these new vocabulary words. I like that you pick one and then you say it repeatedly in an episode and then it will be in your vernacular.

• 3:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I didn't know I was doing this, but it is apparently.

• 3:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, I like it that it would be a drinking game. Like, I like when people are like, drink every time Rena says whatever.

• 3:16Rayna Greenberg?

  I definitely have a lot of little catchphrases like that. I try to sound so serious.

• 3:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  I always think about how can I improve my vocabulary? And this is one way to do it. And when I did Brittany's podcast, they do like a word of the week, but the words are, they don't make, I can't even pronounce the words. Like, these are, I like these words. They just, I don't need to use big words that no one knows what they mean. You sound crazy. If that's how you want to live and you're Ivy League educated and you want to say things people don't understand, that's your business. But even when I'm reading a book and I'm like, I don't know that word. I have to look that word up. That's not a word that people use.

• 3:47Rayna Greenberg?

  There's a lot of words I sort of know within context, but like, I don't, if you ask me to explain it to you, I like, I understand it in a sentence, kind of.

• 3:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 3:55Rayna Greenberg?

  But I'm like, you know, it means that thing. Anyways, let's thank our partners. We'll get right into the episode. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Thank you to BetterHelp. Therapy can help. Get 10% off at betterhelp.com/gge and Article. Get a beautiful new couch or bed at article.com.

• 4:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  And thank you to FP Movement. Go to fpmovement.com to shop their full line of activewear and workout gear. And thank you to Nutriful. Get $10 off your first order and free shipping at nutrafol.com with code GGE10. So I am in New York this week. You'll be there for a couple of the days, but I making my first trip of the year, hopefully.

• 4:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, April, you haven't been there.

• 4:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know.

• 4:33Rayna Greenberg?

  I've mostly been there.

• 4:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. So as this airs, I will have just seen my nephews and my family in Delaware, and then I'm going to spend this week in New York. And then we have, you're not going to be able to make it, but I have a friend's 40th this weekend in New York. So just, you know, getting in some friends and family quality time.

• 4:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, my nephew and my brother will be in from London, so I'm going to go to Pittsburgh.

• 4:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Look at us.

• 4:52Rayna Greenberg?

  And then this week, Wednesday, I will be at Wise Guys in Salt Lake City, and I will be in Zany's Nashville on Thursday night. Both of these shows, I'm really looking forward to them. We just like love performing there. I can't wait to be back at these venues. And I have tickets left for both. So that's rainagreenberg.com. I will see you guys there. It'll be so, so much fun. I love these cities.

• 5:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're welcome, Salt Lake City.

• 5:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 5:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  I made you add this to the tour.

• 5:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, Ashley just, I mean, we have performed at Wise Guys.

• 5:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  We both loved it.

• 5:18Rayna Greenberg?

  But I was doing, I was like, I committed to 20 cities. And I was like, I can't do more than 20. And then I added 10 more. And obviously, you just spoke so highly of your show there, and you did it with Brittany. And I'm just really excited to be both. I am going to invite all the Mormon wives to BBD if they come.

• 5:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, you never know.

• 5:32Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm just going to DM all of them and be like, you seem like you need some joy in your life. I've seen your husbands.

• 5:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  How far away is where they live?

• 5:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, I don't, do they live in Provo or something?

• 5:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, Provo, yeah. And then there's this other place they went. I sent it to you, and I was like, I want to go here. They went on this one episode, and they were riding these ATVs around, looked like Dubai or something. It looked crazy.

• 5:53Rayna Greenberg?

  In the desert somewhere?

• 5:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, they went to the, they took that trip to the desert. And I was like, wherever this is, I want to go.

• 5:58Rayna Greenberg?

  I want to go to Swig.

• 5:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  What's that?

• 6:00Rayna Greenberg?

  It's where they do their Mormon sodas, and they mix all the different kinds of sodas.

• 6:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Drink alcohol.

• 6:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're allowed to drink alcohol.

• 6:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, right. I can get, I can get drunk.

• 6:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's being like, I want to try soaking. Just fuck. I don't need to try the Mormon loopholes.

• 6:15Rayna Greenberg?

  I want to be in the culture. Maybe like Jesse will meet me there or something.

• 6:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh my God. One of my favorite moments when I performed in Salt Lake City last time, and I posted this clip on my Instagram, was I said, like, we role play Mormons, and we soak, and then Raina comes in and kicks the bed.

• 6:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, we have Jackie Schimmel today. So fun.

• 6:33Rayna Greenberg?

  She is so fun. And she has been a podcaster for 14 years.

• 6:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. She's really a trailblazer and she just, we had the best time. We went on her show. So if you guys listened today and you want more, we were on her show probably about a month ago at this point, The Bitch Bible. And so you can get your fix, but we just had such a fun conversation with her. So we're just going to keep this intro kind of short and answer an email that came through. So this came through right after our episode with Dr. Nicole McNichols, a couple of weeks ago, about sex and intimacy and having more pleasure and intimacy and a better sex life, whether you're in a relationship or having casual sex. And you guys really loved the episode. And it was just like so full of great information and insights. But this came through the day the episode dropped and we've been sitting on it. The subject line was attraction and she wrote, "I'm a longtime listener, first time email submission.

• 7:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  I love the episode that aired today. I just have a question because it wasn't really addressed. For a long-term relationship, six years, how long should you keep trying to have better sex with your partner? If you aren't attracted to them, I was hoping the attraction would grow over time since that's what people say. Attraction can grow over time, but honestly, it's not. Sex is a chore. We have it once a week on Saturday or Sunday. I thought the lack of attraction might have been because of some health problems I was having, but those resolved about two years ago. One issue may be that we just don't have intimacy. We don't cuddle or make out. I guess I shouldn't say we don't cuddle because we do sometimes in bed. He's big spoon and behind me, which is nice, but I guess I just don't want to cuddle frontways on the couch because he's always had an issue with his breath. I've talked to him about it over the years and it's somewhat gotten better, but on the rare occasion that I get the feeling to get close to his mouth,

• 8:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  bam, bad breath, and then I'm just irritated. I mean, I guess I've answered my own question by typing this out. LOL, but I'd like to hear your take. Love you ladies."

• 8:15Rayna Greenberg?

  I feel for her. I do. I mean.

• 8:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I want to be gentle.

• 8:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Girl, get out of this relationship. What are you doing? I think attraction growing over time, like that's six weeks, not six years. Like, I feel for her. I think she was like trying to be positive. This guy's probably really nice and it's hard to find a good guy. But when we say attraction grows, six years is not what, like, that's crazy. When I read it, I had to go back and make sure they weren't married.

• 8:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, you can't force attraction or hope it grows forever. Like, you go on one, two, three dates with somebody and you're like, maybe I'll feel attracted. You hear all these guys, "I wore her down." But like, we're six years. I'm curious if they ever had a really good sex life.

• 9:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, and it sounds like maybe for the first four years, she was dealing with some health issues. She said, so who knows what that had to do? Maybe that affected her libido and I don't know what she had going on. I'm glad that they've been resolved about two years ago. But you don't have to be with this guy. Like, I had to reread it and be like, oh, they're not married. Like, you don't have to be with this person. Like, I don't think it's gonna grow from here.

• 9:26Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't think you can negotiate being attracted to somebody into existence. I think there's seasons of everybody's life. I think a lot of people are like, "We used to have all this sex and we don't anymore." "I had a kid and I don't want anybody to touch me anymore." Like, "I had a situation, I don't want anybody to touch me anymore." But I've never heard of these things changing and I don't want to be hopeless. And there's definitely things you can do in the short term. I mean, the breath, that's not negotiable. This is not like, uh, here's a quick fix. But send this man to the dentist and say, "I do not want to sleep with you because of this." You don't have to be that sensitive about it. He has to fix this.

• 9:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  But they're still having sex once a week, which is the norm for couples in healthy relationships.

• 10:04Rayna Greenberg?

  But it's this routine.

• 10:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  She says the chore. Yeah, of course. No, you don't want that.

• 10:07Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, you said something to Dr. Nicole. You said, you know, "Every time we have sex, we're like, why don't we do this more often? This is awesome." I don't think that's her feeling.

• 10:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Did I say that?

• 10:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Like, continue.

• 10:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't remember.

• 10:17Rayna Greenberg?

  I do think you said that, exactly that. Well, a lot of people say that.

• 10:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 10:20Rayna Greenberg?

  A lot of couples say like, we have sex once or twice a week and then we're like, why don't we do this?

• 10:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right, right, right. Yeah.

• 10:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I was in a relationship for a long time, I was married to this person, where sex was such a chore. I would do it once a week. I would go into the bathroom, look myself in the mirror and be like, we did it. We did it fam. And I was actually wildly attracted to him physically, very much so. But, I mean, it was psychological. I didn't want to sleep with him, but it didn't change. I mean, also when we broke up, I don't know that I would have seen those things changing. And you guys also don't have intimacy outside of this. I mean, most therapists will say like, can you create intimacy outside? Are you holding hands? Are you cuddling on the couch? Are you making out, flirting? And it doesn't sound like they're even really doing that.

• 10:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I mean, you know, I usually really like to be open-minded and, you know, I don't know what's going on in everyone's relationship. And I don't know what's going on. I don't know why she feels like she needs to stay with this guy. But I've never heard of this. Six years in and you're like, when am I going to feel attracted to him? I would say that you're not. I would say to get out of this and if you want to keep trying, like, you've got to talk to him about his breath. I don't know if it's like, he just eats a lot of garlic or he has halitosis. There's two things. Does he not floss? I mean, if he's not flossing, there's your culprit. So make sure he flosses. And if it's really feels like it's deep, it's coming from within, he needs to go figure that out at the dentist. But I mean, I think it just, what makes you feel like you need to be with this guy? You know, it sounds like maybe there were some issues at the beginning and you were like, it's me.

• 11:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's, this is why I'm not attracted to him, whatever's going on with her health. But those have been resolved and you can do better. You can find someone that sex doesn't feel like a chore. And maybe he's just really kind and really nice and I love that for her. But you can be with somebody you are attracted to.

• 11:56Rayna Greenberg?

  I guess I'm curious how important sex is to her. I don't think that she would have written this email if it wasn't important to her.

• 12:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 12:01Rayna Greenberg?

  And I think even with the absence of sex, you want to have intimacy with your partner. And I don't know how important that is, but I do think it's important to her. And I would ask myself, if nothing changed, would I be okay with this forever? Yeah, I don't think the answer is yes. I think this girl wants to have sex with her partner and be attracted to him.

• 12:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm like, well, how old are you? Where do you live? What is going on here? Like, maybe it's like a small town and all her friends are in relationships and she'd rather be with somebody than not. But six years, I mean, is there a world in which you want children? Which obviously I don't, so that's fine, too. But I just, I have so many more questions. But I don't think you should keep waiting around and having this obligation sex life and having this guy breathe on you much longer. I don't, I think, just get out there.

• 12:48Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, this was a different situation. If this was somebody saying, I want to have sex with my partner. We used to have sex. The intimacy seems to have dwindled. I think you and I would have all kinds of advice about scheduling sex and planning fun things and being flirty and being intimate, touching each other. But this does not sound like somebody you're attracted to. That's a different thing. Like, not we had intimacy at one point and I want to, in the short term, like, address this. We can address his breath. We can rebuild the intimacy we once had. But you're not attracted to this person and we all deserve to be attracted to the person that we're with.

• 13:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Maybe she should just throw a Hail Mary and just fucking do some crazy sex stuff and see if he bites.

• 13:26Rayna Greenberg?

  But that's the thing, she's not. She doesn't want to.

• 13:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  She doesn't want to.

• 13:29Rayna Greenberg?

  With this person. You're right, you're right. This is like the trump card for all the things. I'm like, if she was actually attracted to him, you and I would be like, do everything.

• 13:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. Time up.

• 13:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Put on a show. Masturbate in front of him.

• 13:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 13:40Rayna Greenberg?

  I like doing that.

• 13:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, you're not alone. Okay. Well, good luck out there and let us know what happens and we're rooting for you, sis. So we're just going to talk about our partners and then we will get into it with Jackie.

• 13:56Rayna Greenberg?

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• 14:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, anytime we wear stuff, again, Rainer mentioned the crossover set, the hot shot crossover set. They have these amazing bags. I just got this tote I love for them. I love their little skirts, like there's shorts underneath. I just got some bike shorts I'm obsessed with. Tanks, I got this sports bra that's for like low-impact activity and then a medium-impact activity for my Berry's classes. And I'm just obsessed. And I have those pants, but I have like a long sleeve shirt that goes with them. And we just love FP Movement so much. Love the brand. I've shopped the stores. There's a great store at Century City Mall. I got this jacket from there I'm obsessed with. So, we just really love it.

• 15:15Rayna Greenberg?

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• 15:20Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 16:02Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 16:34Rayna Greenberg?

  My sister-in-law immediately got on it after having my nephew and she was like, "What should I get on?" And I was like, Oh, Nutraful, absolutely.

• 16:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, and so I thought about just doing a whole series on social about my hair journey because I really feel, I mean, not today, Kieran's all slicked back, but like I can tell it's changed so, so much. And I feel like I have five main things that have contributed to it and Nutraful is like, obviously the number one. This is like the thing, if you really like, I need something, this is where to start. So you can let your hair be one less thing to worry about. See visibly thicker, stronger, faster growing hair in three to six months with Nutraful. For a limited time, Nutraful is offering our listeners $10 off your first month subscription and free shipping. When you visit nutrafol.com and enter promo code GGE10. That's nutrafol.com, spelled N-U-T-R-A-F-O-L dot com, promo code GGE10. Okay, let's get into it.

• 17:22Rayna Greenberg?

  All right, guys, we are very excited to welcome our guest today. I wrote her intro, but I also pulled some from a website that I found. Without the help of Family Connections Formal Training Agents, Managers, or Publicists, she has propelled her podcast, The Bitch Bible, from an experimental hobby to a top comedy podcast. She is the true queen of saying what everyone else is thinking, but they will not say out loud. Please welcome to the show Jackie Schimmel.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  Did you write that or did you hijack that from?

• 17:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Where did that even come from? That's not even the structure we typically do.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  Without the help of Sam, she's no nepo babies here. What even, what, where? Wow, someone's clocked in today, a journalist, Jesus Christ.

• 18:00Rayna Greenberg?

  What did I tell you? I told you to give up ChatGPT. This is from the Improv's website.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 18:05Rayna Greenberg?

  This is a bio, this is somebody who works for you.

• 18:08Speaker 02

  It sounds a little insulting.

• 18:09Rayna Greenberg?

  No formal training.

• 18:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  I feel, I felt like you wrote it.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  I probably added that.

• 18:14Rayna Greenberg?

  I was like, she definitely wrote this without the help of Family Connections and Formal Training. It's hilarious.

• 18:18Speaker 02

  That sounds like me. Yeah, that sounds like me.

• 18:20Rayna Greenberg?

  So you are a writer, see?

• 18:22Speaker 02

  Well, it depends who you ask.

• 18:23Rayna Greenberg?

  You wrote that bio.

• 18:24Speaker 02

  I wrote that bio, bitch. That's right.

• 18:26Rayna Greenberg?

  What do you lead with, podcaster?

• 18:28Speaker 02

  It's the only thing I have.

• 18:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, I mean, you've had a podcast for 14 years. You are, I mean, you invented podcasting.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  I don't know about that. It's a little embarrassing, honestly. Like, the 14 years of it all, like, it, in some groups is cool, but in reality, it's not cool. It's so long to be podcasting. It's like. Bitch evolve, but this is all I have.

• 18:50Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, bitch, stay relevant. That's amazing to be able to do it for 14 years.

• 18:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  I, my biggest respect is for long careers, like longevity. I think so many people can go viral. It's like a flash in the pan.

• 19:03Speaker 02

  Okay, I like this angle.

• 19:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's the thing, like

• 19:06Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 19:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Music artist, Howard Stern, people like that.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  Sustainability. We're not trying to peak and pit. We're just trying to like, keep it fucking moving over here.

• 19:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  What even, you were like 20? Like, what were you even doing? Like, what were you thinking? Was it only Apple even? Like, were, there was no Spotify podcasts back then, right?

• 19:23Speaker 02

  No Spotify. There was no categories. There were no shows.

• 19:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  It was you and cereal.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  There was nothing.

• 19:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm saying you invented podcasting.

• 19:32Speaker 02

  You know what? You're so right. Add that to the fucking bio.

• 19:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, she is the original podcaster. I also want to say when I was writing, I think that we really prop people up for being like, multi hyphenate, doing all those things. And that's great if you can do that. But when I was writing like my bio for my website, I was like, oh, I'm just a podcaster. I don't have a million things to put on here. I didn't host this thing, write this thing. But then I was like, this is pretty awesome to have done something for 10 years and stayed relevant. You should be proud of it.

• 19:54Speaker 02

  Okay, thank you. Yeah, I've got no hyphens, no real hyphens that have come to fruition.

• 20:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  We tour, you've toured.

• 20:01Speaker 02

  I tour. I don't enjoy myself, but I've done it.

• 20:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're a mom.

• 20:05Speaker 02

  Oh, right. Sure.

• 20:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's the number. Mama, wife, mama.

• 20:09Speaker 02

  The day, can I say something so honest? The day that you see mama in my bio, please call the cops and lock me up.

• 20:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  A hundred percent.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  I do not identify as some other. Nobody likes when I say that, but I really mean that. Like, that is not one of my pronouns.

• 20:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Lauren, let's talk about it.

• 20:25Speaker 02

  I don't know. First of all, I feel like it's a lot of pressure to put on your child when you're like, mama first. Like, okay, like, don't be so fucking dorky about it. First of all.

• 20:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Mama last.

• 20:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  To be clear.

• 20:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Honestly, don't even tell people. It's embarrassing.

• 20:40Speaker 02

  Keep it on the low. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not wearing a necklace that says mommy, mama. I am wearing a necklace that says his name all the time.

• 20:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  A hundred percent. I would do that shit.

• 20:49Speaker 02

  All the time. I have a very cute Cuban link choker that says Clyde. That's like, very hard. But no, I'm not wearing like, any mama memorabilia merch, because that's dorky.

• 21:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  But that's who you are. It becomes people's whole identity, which is fine for them.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  Which is fine for them, but I'm like, I have so many other gifts.

• 21:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Podcaster. Podcaster, that's it.

• 21:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Did you always know that you'd be a mom that didn't identify as a mom?

• 21:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 21:18Rayna Greenberg?

  So you are, you're married, you've been married, we were talking to you about this before about like just talking to your husband initially about if you even wanted kids.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I wasn't like someone, I mean, it's not lovely to say, but I, I was not someone who like grew up being like, I can't wait to be a mommy.

• 21:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 21:33Speaker 02

  That's not really how I felt, if I'm being totally honest. Like obsessed with my son, like can't physically, like want to eat his head. Obsessed with him, he's so fucking cute, thank God, but if he wasn't so fucking cute, maybe I wouldn't feel that way.

• 21:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Mm hmm.

• 21:48Speaker 02

  You know, they're not all gifts.

• 21:50Rayna Greenberg?

  I know.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  God only gives me.

• 21:51Rayna Greenberg?

  I really am, my nephews are both so cute, like.

• 21:54Speaker 02

  Thank God.

• 21:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Objectively.

• 21:56Speaker 02

  Right, and you have to.

• 21:57Rayna Greenberg?

  It's not up for debate, they're, they actually are, they're super advanced, all the things, like, and I'm just, I'm such a snob now.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  No, totally.

• 22:04Rayna Greenberg?

  About it.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  Like you'll look at a kid that's like foaming at the mouth, eating glue, and you're like, no, I'm okay.

• 22:10Rayna Greenberg?

  And like a bad kid, you're like, that's about, get out, get out of here.

• 22:13Speaker 02

  And some kids have dark energy and we're not talking about it enough.

• 22:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Hundred percent. Where you're like, I feel uncomfortable around this kid.

• 22:19Speaker 02

  Like I've met children that I fucking hate, like four year olds.

• 22:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Immediately.

• 22:24Speaker 02

  Fuck that guy.

• 22:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, yes. It's always, I think it's always a boy.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  Oh no, I've met some girls too.

• 22:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Little girls, you know, like, oh, I kind of like that.

• 22:31Speaker 02

  No, but not in like a country spicy way.

• 22:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Not like a black cat, like earn my love kind of way.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  No, like, like you're.

• 22:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Sinister.

• 22:38Speaker 02

  Like you're gonna leave the room and they're gonna choke out your cat.

• 22:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Can I tell you what happened to me? Oh my God, okay.

• 22:44Rayna Greenberg?

  They're gonna hit you and the mom comes back and they're crying.

• 22:47Speaker 02

  Like a sick bitch of a kid, I know one, we'll talk about it later.

• 22:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Can I tell you what happened to me? So Jane and Aaron's joint birthday, at the end of the night, there was only one couple left and their kid was there. And he, he was a little standoffish, like I hadn't connected to him. I wasn't trying, the kid, I wasn't trying to connect with him, but, but I, so he runs up to me and gives me this like big hug. And kind of towards the end of the hug, he kind of smeared his face along my like sweater and he had wiped his nose on me.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  On purpose?

• 23:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  It was clearly, he had, he had no other reason to come up and hug me, I was a stranger at that point, he ran up, I was like, this is so adorable. And across my Alice, sweater, snot. I had to change.

• 23:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Ashley, how close physically was the child to when you realized this?

• 23:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  When you looked down at your arm, realized he was covered in boogers. He wasn't there anymore, no, thank God, because I would want to push the kid.

• 23:32Rayna Greenberg?

  I know.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 23:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Dark energy.

• 23:35Speaker 02

  Dark energy, I mean, that's like low key funny, but also dark.

• 23:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Gross.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  Gross. So disrespectful too. That would not fly in my house FYI.

• 23:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. So, okay. So were you podcasting or married first?

• 23:50Speaker 02

  Podcasting.

• 23:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. And what's the brief story of how you met your husband? And like, well, three adjectives to describe him.

• 23:57Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 23:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  We don't, I don't know him.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  Okay. The brief story is we met at a bar. My best, best friend, my childhood best friend, went to college with him, introduced us. We went on a date. Three days later, been together ever since.

• 24:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Really?

• 24:12Speaker 02

  No breaks, no breakups, no hiatuses, just off to the fucking races. My husband, in three adjectives, this is a very good question. He is, this is annoying to lead with, but it's true and it bothers me. I don't mean this as a compliment. Okay. Kind, like deeply, deeply.

• 24:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Will he talk shit with you on stuff?

• 24:32Speaker 02

  I have broken him over the years as I have everybody else in my life. I break them one by one.

• 24:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is he like, so he's never like, Jackie, just lighten up. Like, I can't deal with that.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  No, but he's inherently like a very compassionate, empathetic person. Cannot relate. Like, he sees the world completely differently than me.

• 24:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 24:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Love this for you guys.

• 24:54Speaker 02

  He's not funny. I'm the funny one.

• 24:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  He has an amazing sense of humor. So when I say terrible things, he laughs.

• 25:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's all we needed to hear. I just, I don't want somebody that's just gonna tell me to like, be nicer.

• 25:05Speaker 02

  No, he's not nice necessarily. He's just like.

• 25:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Nice and kind are different.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  Very different. I wouldn't say he's nice, but he's inherently like a kind person.

• 25:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's great. I would say about my husband as well. He's not nice. No one's like, he's so nutty. He's kind of a dick.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  Oh, totally.

• 25:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  But he's so good hearted.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's, exactly.

• 25:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  I would say that. Talented. And humble.

• 25:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Those are great ones.

• 25:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like too humble. But I mean, he's all like low key insultingly. Like, I don't want him to ever hear this and be like, wow, that's so nice. Like humble to a fault. Like, wasn't hugged enough as a child. It's like, is this good enough? I don't, and I'm like, every, like, it's almost passive aggressive. Like, cause everyone knows, like, you're, this is great.

• 25:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is great.

• 25:50Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 25:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Okay. So he's kind. Do you feel like you've made him a worse person or he's made you a better person?

• 25:56Speaker 02

  I think I've made him a worse person. I'm pretty consistent. I don't really change. I've been the same exact way my entire life. Like, we're not changing.

• 26:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Did your parents tell you growing up, like, you're so great?

• 26:07Speaker 02

  Too much.

• 26:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 26:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Were you like an A student?

• 26:11Speaker 02

  No.

• 26:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, my God.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  No, I didn't actually graduate high school. I'm like, not a high school graduate.

• 26:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Shut up. Do you have your GED? Or you just stopped going?

• 26:18Speaker 02

  No, I don't have my GED. And I like, promised my dad I was gonna get it last year at Father's Day, because I finally told him that I didn't graduate. So.

• 26:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Wait, but you went to college? You went to community college?

• 26:28Speaker 02

  I went to like, kind of a community college.

• 26:30Rayna Greenberg?

  I learned that on your, on your bio.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  For like, a few days. And then I stopped going to that, too. So what happened was, it was a very different time. Like, nothing was digital. Like, there was, you know what I mean? It was so different. And I was in student council. It wasn't like I was like, doing anything.

• 26:43Rayna Greenberg?

  A degenerate.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  I wasn't a degenerate. I wasn't in the back alley like, smoking crack. I was like, painting posters. Like, you know, I was a, you know, not.

• 26:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Normal kid.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  Totally. But I just really didn't enjoy academia. You know, like, I didn't like school. I didn't love going to class. I really didn't like homework. I didn't like assignments. I still don't really like assignments. And I was just not great in school. So, senior year, I stopped going to a couple of classes, got dropped, failed, didn't have enough credits to technically walk at graduation. But I had such rapport with administration. I was like, listen, Mr. Mizell, you know me.

• 27:21Rayna Greenberg?

  You're Cher. Okay.

• 27:22Speaker 02

  Like, let's just.

• 27:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally. I Cher Horowitzed.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  Wow. And I was like, I've got eighty-five people coming. My entire fucking family is coming to this.

• 27:31Rayna Greenberg?

  I sold all these tickets.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  I've been in student council this whole time, holding down the fort. I have the most beautiful penmanship. You know this about me, Mr. Mizell. I took notes at the Pete, you know, like, we had a thing. He said, I'm gonna enroll in summer school. You don't have to give me a diploma. Just let me walk. So I walked. I carried that empty diploma, got the picture, moved the tassel, never went to summer school.

• 27:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Wait, this is what I did. This is why I didn't graduate from college.

• 27:56Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 27:56Rayna Greenberg?

  So, yes. I had to do one more class. That's all I needed to graduate. And they let me walk, and I just failed the class. I did go to the class a little bit, but I failed it.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  That's good.

• 28:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. So I don't have a college degree.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Whatever.

• 28:08Rayna Greenberg?

  So you didn't grow up with a fam- like, when I grew up. Like it was like college was a non-negotiable was something that everybody did. You were going to college, of course. Like your parents weren't necessarily like that.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  Not necessarily. I mean, yes, yes, but not really because I didn't have to go. I think that they weren't worried about me in the sense that I wasn't a degenerate. Like I wasn't like doing drugs. I wasn't doing any, I just wasn't doing homework. You know what I mean? So they weren't really worried. They were kind of hands off deck with me if I'm being totally honest. They kind of just let me run.

• 28:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Let her cook.

• 28:38Speaker 02

  Let her cook. They're like, she's fine.

• 28:39Rayna Greenberg?

  She can't be managed. Yeah.

• 28:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:41Rayna Greenberg?

  My parents felt like that too. I mean, I just think you have these conversations and it like all washes over you. Like you don't need to do this stuff. Like, I mean, I was like a straight A student, did my homework, my assignment, whatever. I would, I just was good at school. Just, I don't know where.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:54Rayna Greenberg?

  You look back, you're like, I didn't have to go that hard. Like, you know.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  I'm glad I didn't. I look back and I think.

• 28:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Look at you now. You didn't have to graduate. You didn't have to graduate. I'm not, this isn't. Well, also though, I could put that I graduated on a resume. The internet wasn't what it was.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, but how embarrassing for me that I can't even check off high school graduate.

• 29:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, but you drove in here with a Range Rover. I mean, you're doing great.

• 29:15Speaker 02

  As Raina said, good for you. First thing she said to me, oh my God, I love the color of this, this car. Good for you. Park over here. I was like, okay, what a greeting.

• 29:26Rayna Greenberg?

  It's just, I'll take it. You guys should finish school, like if you're listening, but it's just.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  But honestly, you really don't have to.

• 29:31Rayna Greenberg?

  You don't have to. You don't have to.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  You know what nobody talks about? The importance of likability. Okay. It's more important than any skillset you can acquire.

• 29:39Rayna Greenberg?

  So I'm glad you said that. And I pivoted jobs. I was working in restaurants and I went to work for a tech startup. And I was doing sales and I was talking to my dad, who was a lifelong salesman and entrepreneur. And I was like, I don't know how to do this job. And he was like, the number one thing you can do, make people like you.

• 29:53Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 29:54Rayna Greenberg?

  And I was like, well, I hate myself.

• 29:55Speaker 02

  Like colleges should be having mixers, anything to develop people's social skills and likability. Because I, I learned that in every job I ever got. Every job was because someone liked me and I got to the next job and the connections that I made. I was qualified enough, whatever. But I had this point in my career, my twenties, where I was like, none of what I'm doing, I learned in college. Like four years, graduated summa cum laude. Like none of this is useful. It feels like you're rubbing it in. That you have all these accolades. You notice she keeps dropping them.

• 30:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  I have to.

• 30:24Speaker 02

  Ended up in the same place that we did.

• 30:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Here's the reason why I say it, Jackie.

• 30:27Speaker 02

  We get it, okay? You went to college. We all ended up the same place.

• 30:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Here's why I like to say it, because they didn't say it at graduation, because I was too hungover to bring them my card that had my achievements on it. And like, I held up the line.

• 30:40Speaker 02

  Why don't you put it in this fucking gallery shelf?

• 30:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Put it behind my head.

• 30:43Speaker 02

  Right, exactly.

• 30:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  The point is just, I realized, like, if you should be learning anything in college, it is how to talk to adults and how to

• 30:50Speaker 02

  Period.

• 30:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Connect and make people like you. It's like, the only, I mean, there's skills you need to learn and stuff, but It's just, you really do understand that that's who gets ahead.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  Yes, because if people like you, they want to help you, they want to be around you. If you're an annoying little rat of a bitch, you're not going to get as far, because no one wants to fuck with you.

• 31:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  We don't use rat as an insult enough, and I was for a little while, and I've stopped. And I, it's so mean. I love it.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  Rat and worm, I feel like a rat for a woman and a worm for a dude are like really, really condescending. Also like a gerbil little fuck of a guy.

• 31:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Worm for a guy's great.

• 31:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. Am I allowed to cuss? I really hope so. You're gonna have to scrap this episode.

• 31:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Can you imagine if we were like, no?

• 31:33Speaker 02

  Some people say no, and I'm like, okay, we're gonna need to.

• 31:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  For what reason?

• 31:38Speaker 02

  I feel like you're not allowed, and I love these girls, I don't think you're allowed to cuss on Lady Gang.

• 31:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  We've been on their show.

• 31:43Speaker 02

  I don't think you're allowed to cuss. I think they bleep it.

• 31:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Interesting.

• 31:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  They bleep it.

• 31:47Speaker 02

  They're respectable ladies, I'm not sure.

• 31:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  They are respectable ladies.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  Can't relate.

• 31:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  We swear. Okay, so your husband was like, I do want kids.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  And you're like, I get, I'll try.

• 31:57Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  And you guys have a child.

• 32:00Speaker 02

  We have a baby.

• 32:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 32:02Speaker 02

  He's real cute. I love him. I'm glad we kept him.

• 32:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  And it's going well.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  It's going well.

• 32:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  And you, the mother, how you want to do it.

• 32:10Speaker 02

  I mean, like I said earlier, I'm not someone who like identifies as like, I'm a mama, I'm the best mama, mama bear, mama, mama, mama, whatever. I try not to take it that seriously, which people don't like, but I really feel strongly about it. Also, I'm trying to prepare him for the world. Like, he's coming into our situation. You know what I mean? So. We're not living in Chuck E. Cheese Land. We've got rogue uncovered outlets. We have sharp corners and fresh florals. Okay. And he's gonna have to learn and he has learned and because of that I can bring him places. I'm not quarantined to the home.

• 32:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Right.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  He's not wiping his, you know, boogers on people's Alice and Olivia sweaters. And it makes my life easier. You know what I mean? We're just, we're just kicking it old school.

• 32:58Rayna Greenberg?

  So I'm, I'm curious about the peanut gallery on this and I, I think that like, I mean, Ashley and I can't speak to this mom guilt and people giving you so much advice, but like, do you have friends around you that you communicated like, I'm just gonna live and let live and people had feedback or are people like, I'm trying to be more like that? What's it been like?

• 33:13Speaker 02

  It's interesting because you're getting fed like a lot of materials online. Like the second you have a baby, everyone's telling you what you should do. And you know, you, there's a lot of like emphasis on getting down on their level and like validating every feeling and gentle parenting and we don't say no. And I never have listened to anyone about anything and I'm not gonna start now. Like if you have shitty instincts in life, then maybe we go back to the drawing board and we look for outside influence, but I have relatively good instincts. So I'm gonna go with me on this one. It's my life, my child, and I kind of like just practice what I preach on that. And he's pretty good, you know?

• 33:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Do you feel like if you're the kind of person that isn't like super open to feedback, people just stop doing it?

• 33:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, I want to talk to you about this and everything that you do.

• 33:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Like you don't give a fuck. No, I really, and I, and I hate saying it out loud because it feels like a trope or like a shit.

• 34:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Performative, yeah.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  Or like performative, like I don't give a fuck.

• 34:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Right. I know.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  Like boss bang. People who say that publicly too often.

• 34:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Sorry.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  You do embody it though. Those girls that are like, I don't care. Like high vibration, like those girls, they're crying themselves to sleep.

• 34:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, also the people that are like, I just say what I think and it's like, nobody likes you because of it.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  No, totally. And I think that there's like, I, I'd like to think that I have a little bit more

• 34:30Rayna Greenberg?

  nuance.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Nuance in the head before I say things, but I would say I really genuinely don't care. Like, and it's not because I'm like cool and like bohemian. I, I trust myself more than I trust strangers. So I just don't value like.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  Discourse from strangers that I disagree with.

• 34:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  And you're confident in your decisions, right? I mean, do you feel like that?

• 34:55Speaker 02

  All the time.

• 34:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  I do think people start to pick up on that. I mean, we were kind of talking about some of the stuff you talk about in your podcast. It might be controversial on another show and you've just been doing this so long and people know what they're getting with you. So, but you're confident in it. I think people see weakness and they see vulnerability and they see people.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  And they come for it.

• 35:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Take the bait. Yeah, they see, I think when you really like live in your power, again, another stupid trope. But it's just like, I always say when I talk about not wanting kids, like, people don't fuck with me because they know I'm confident in my decision. I feel like when people, these are the worst people online, by the way. And even in real life, they see that opening to dig in because they know there's a vulnerability there that you're not confident. And you just live your life. I think people know like Jackie Schimmel doesn't care what you think, so it's not worth your time telling her.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  It's not important to me. Like I'm clicked into the real world here. You know what I mean? Like I am very, very, very aware of like what's real and what's not real. So like I operate in a very normal capacity with normal people and normal friends and a normal husband and normal kid. Like none of this, it doesn't make me feel great and it doesn't make me feel bad. Like I don't care about any of it. I think it's ridiculous, respectfully, I think it's ridiculous. Like the fact that we all talk on a mic for like a living and get paid is crazy, right? Like we're so lucky. So I feel appreciative, but also I'm just being myself. Like I'm not presenting a version.

• 36:25Speaker 02

  And I think because of that, maybe I don't get as much heat or like consequences. Because at bare minimum, people know that I'm not presenting a version of myself. So even if it's like bad and I say fucked up shit, which I do all the time and I have for 14 years. And I'm not gloating about it. It's just, it is what it is.

• 36:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think there's a difference between saying like, I don't give a fuck what anybody thinks versus I have nice people in my life, good people I trust. They give me feedback and that's what I need. That's all I need.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  Open to it, don't listen all the time, but open to it. And I feel like the life, life shapes you. You know, if you're being an asshole, you're gonna experience that in some way, shape or form. There's gonna be an aftershock. So you pivot accordingly.

• 37:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Do you also just feel like?

• 37:14Speaker 02

  They're coming for me.

• 37:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  That was crazy. We are at war. I just literally, last night we went to bed and I was like, I just am really scared of like the world. And my husband was like, we'll just go in the basement. Like we literally got our plan together for like the whatever happens when you're being attacked.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  My husband, he thinks about this a lot. We've got a lot of emergency packs and food and he got me like helicopter insurance for Hanukkah a couple of years ago. He got me airlift insurance. I said, what the fuck is this?

• 37:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Airlift? I heard of that.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  So if any medical catastrophe happens in a foreign country or anything, you can get airlifted. I was like, this feels like a waste of money. I'd prefer a purse, but thanks so much.

• 37:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Do you feel like part of you is like, this is who I am and you, you just don't like me? Like sometimes I feel like when people, if they really want to criticize me or us or the show, it's like, I'm not for everybody. You don't like it here.

• 38:04Speaker 02

  You know, how boring would it be if everyone's like, you're great. This is so funny. I'm like, okay.

• 38:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Sometimes I'm just, if people criticize stuff we say, it's like, but then you just don't, I don't know how to, I don't like, I think I'm articulating it well. Like I thought about this even with my standup where I'm like, you don't like it and that's okay. It's subjective. Like I'm not taking your notes, but sometimes when people write comments about me or us or the show, I'm like, but it's not for you. How do you not realize that? Not everything's for you.

• 38:30Speaker 02

  I know. People are really stupid and we're all dumb bitches at the end of the day, but people really get emboldened to give their two cents and God bless them.

• 38:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  They really do.

• 38:40Speaker 02

  But you know, after, I mean, we've all been doing this a very long time. You know, we're still here. We're still talking. We're still cashing those checks. So let's just keep it fucking moving. You know what I mean? Like, sorry.

• 38:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Just going to take a quick break. I'm telling you guys about Article. Ryan, I just went to the site. I'm just like, you shouldn't even be on the site because I want literally everything. I mean, we have been talking about Article for six, seven years. And so I feel like I've seen it evolve and there's still so many of these incredible classics, but just seeing what they have now. I mean, I'm looking at some of their bestsellers, this Sven toughed leather sofa and all these beautiful colors, these like neutrals, tans, browns. I mean, I love their green. I love all of their green velvet furniture, this couch I'm looking at, there's these chairs. I mean, they just have all the best colors. I mean, I feel, we've talked about this before, kind of the all white, all neutral look is out.

• 39:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  You can still shop that and you can still live that way, but people really want these pops of color. I'm looking at this. Bosie Queen bed frame and this kind of rust orange. I love that color in the home. That is like such a great way to incorporate color into your home.

• 39:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Warm it up.

• 39:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, just to really warm it up and have that boldness. And the outdoor furniture is second to none. This is really most of my outdoor furniture is all Article. The prices are great. I mean, again, we've been knowing about this brand for so many years and the prices are still the best for the quality of what you're going to get. Article makes it effortless to create a stylish, long-lasting home at an unbeatable price. All of the styles that you could want, mid-century modern, coastal, Scandi-inspired pieces. And when you get on the site, they're going to show you how things pair together. You can shop by room and it is the quality without the compromise. So they focus solely on high-quality, meaningful pieces that will stand the test of time. Every item is chosen for its craftsmanship, design, and lasting value. I mean, there's sites out there that everything in everything,

• 40:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  it's a mishmash, it's overwhelming to shop. Like when you're on Article's site, you're like, everything does feel intentional. There is fast, affordable shipping and assembly. The shipping's great, the packaging is great, support is great, 30-day satisfaction guarantee, and shipping across US and Canada, just to clarify. So check it out, you guys. I mean, anything you need for your home, from big items to your sofa or your bed, to your side tables, to your ottomans, really, they have it all. And even pillows, lamps, all the things. But if you are in the market for a beautiful new sofa, dining table, or bed, and much more, head over to Article.com.

• 41:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, and this episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. So let's talk about financial stress. In a study at the beginning of 2026, 88% of Americans reported feeling some sort of way about financial stress. And money worries, I mean, my God, they're so debilitating. It affects every part of your life and it breeds anxiety and sleep disruption and even depression. And it is the leading source of conflict for couples, of course. Obviously, we talk about money a lot on this show, between couples. So this month, we want to normalize the emotional weight of financial stress and remind people that struggling with money doesn't mean they failed. Sometimes it is just about accepting the right kind of help. I mean, I could not agree more. And I'd love to recommend therapy to address those issues and BetterHelp really can help you there. BetterHelp's therapists work with a strict

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• 42:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I think that like child advice is well intentioned, but it reminds me, there was a lot of like discourse around the holidays about like being estranged from a family member. And there's all these articles and people were commenting on it. I mean, thousands and thousands of comments about like, I don't think you should be estranged from a family member. You can always work through it and all this stuff. And all these people in the peanut gallery like giving their input. And I am estranged from a family member and I felt very triggered and mad by these comments of like, how dare you make a judgment call about me? You don't even know me. And children and raising children is very similar to me. Like, how dare you make a judgment call about how I raise my child? You don't know my child. You know my situation.

• 42:58Speaker 02

  Also, like, let's just see how they turn out. You know, I mean, like, you've got time on the clock. Like, let's see. You know what I mean? Let's just see how it goes.

• 43:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Right.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  That's how I always say. I'm like, let's give it, give it a couple of years.

• 43:09Rayna Greenberg?

  People also raise kids before TikTok, you know? Like, they were able to do this without the feedback.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  But do you ever think like, this is how we were raised. Everything has turned out fine? That's like the most cliche way to think, but like-

• 43:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Kind of. I mean, I think it's a mix between the two. There's too much outside information and too many opinions and all of our brains are such mush at this point. We're all like looking for validation and guidance from fucking strangers. I feel like we gotta just dial it back. Like, every kid is different. Every family is different. Every lifestyle is different. Like, you pivot accordingly. I want to ask you a question. This is a total pivot.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  Okay, let's go.

• 43:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Feedback from strangers.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:46Rayna Greenberg?

  How do you feel about crying videos?

• 43:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, like somebody, let me paint the picture. Someone's having a bad day, not an objectively bad day. I mean, just like a girly pop kind of just like, everything's wrong, but like, I also have to go to Pilates later. I gotta get myself together. Like, you know, and they're on the beach and they're crying. Somebody's crying and they grab the camera.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  No, this is very specific.

• 44:08Rayna Greenberg?

  No, it's actually about multiple people that I'm thinking about.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Oh, I could name 17 different puppies right now. I'll keep it to myself.

• 44:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Someone's crying, grab the camera.

• 44:15Speaker 02

  The answer is no. Now, I want to keep watching these for all of attorney because I just can't.

• 44:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's a great point.

• 44:21Speaker 02

  I can't even believe.

• 44:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're doing the Lord's work.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  I can't even believe, like, in so many instances that we see on the internet, like, the fact that someone will be going through something and their first instinct is to hold it in, set up the tripod, hit hands free. Do you know how much effort it takes to prop up the phone, unlock it, put in your passcode, get the camera ready, turn the lighting on, hit the-

• 44:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  I lose steam by that. I'm not crying anymore.

• 44:45Speaker 02

  I'm over it. I'm not crying anymore.

• 44:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  You need to re-traumatize yourself to get back to-

• 44:47Speaker 02

  You're like, okay, no, no, no, we're back, we're back, we're back. It is so diabolically crazy. That's the cra- it's the craziest thing in the world. Like, what- and it's like, if one more person feels supported and seen, no, girl, look inward, lock it up. Literally, don't feel so comfortable. Don't feel so comfortable. Like, this is what's wrong. This is why we need to re-ju- this is kids in school need to learn social skills because it's fucking, you know what we're not talking about enough? People being fucking weird. Fucking weird.

• 45:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's the most bizarre behavior. Like, I've done things before where about the state of the world, that my voice cracks. I can't help myself. Like-

• 45:25Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 45:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  I- it is not about me. It's like, I gotta get this message out and I- and you can tell I've been crying or my voice might crack, whatever. I think that's a human emotion. But when you, someone, something bad has happened and you know they went to get the tripod. I mean, we heard about this couple, like, you guys can take your guesses. They're no longer together. Like, the inside scoop of their relationship of like, they would have these moments and he would say, we need to run them back and film them. Like intimate moments.

• 45:54Speaker 02

  Who, what? I would never, I would dissolve my family and never speak to my husband again and villainize him against our child parental alienation.

• 46:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Soul custody.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  Soul custody. If my husband ever was like, wait, we should like film, I would never speak to him again. There would be no-

• 46:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  You don't know him anymore.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  Get that, get out of my house.

• 46:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right, like, who is this person?

• 46:16Speaker 02

  Get out of my house.

• 46:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Get out of my house.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  Don't look at me. If, by the way, if I had a friend that was like, wait, wait, wait, let's do that again, I would never speak to them again.

• 46:25Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, sometimes I like to watch-

• 46:26Speaker 02

  I would never fucking speak to them again.

• 46:29Rayna Greenberg?

  There's a couple that I'm thinking of, and it's, listen, I'm all for people saying like, "Things aren't as glamorous as they look, and I have bad days, and..."

• 46:36Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 46:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Sure, and you know, "I look great on the internet and this magazine all the time."

• 46:40Speaker 02

  You know, I don't love those Instagram versus realities either. That feels a little staged and a little forced relatability. It all feels so hanky.

• 46:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Forced relatability.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  I don't like that either. It's like, sure, my life looks great, but I struggle. Like, it's all packaged. It's marketing. I don't like it.

• 46:56Rayna Greenberg?

  It's a stale take to me. I think that we've done for many years, "Social media's not real," the things in relationships-

• 47:01Speaker 02

  We get it. Why don't you just be yourself all the fucking time? Why don't we just do that?

• 47:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  I've always felt like, aren't we all kinda supposed to know that Instagram's a highlight reel? You know, like-

• 47:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 47:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  You should know that we all have problems, and we all cry, and we all spiral.

• 47:15Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, I have these moments where I'm really low. Of course, I'm crying, I'm voicing with my friends, you know, I'm on tour, I'm by myself in these hotel rooms, and I'm like, "Man, this is a bummer, I'm lonely." Then I process it, and I think about it through perspective, and I'm like, "I'm so lucky to be on this tour. I'm so lucky to still take it. I'm so lucky friends wanna come with me. Ashley wants to come with me. I'm not gonna grab a camera."

• 47:33Speaker 02

  It's called self-awareness.

• 47:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 47:35Speaker 02

  Which is something that is lacking severely.

• 47:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  And self-regulation.

• 47:39Speaker 02

  Self-regulation, self-awareness, it's a pandemic.

• 47:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Josh Johnson, we were watching that clip over Christmas. He's my mom's favorite comedian.

• 47:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Which one? I love him so much.

• 47:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, he did this thing, he was like, "The first time I saw someone crying on Instagram, I thought, 'Oh my gosh, this was posted accidentally.'"

• 47:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Right.

• 47:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, "She's in her car, she's crying, she didn't mean to post this." It was someone he knew, he was like, "I'm gonna message her and tell her this got out."

• 48:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  And, like, he does a whole bit, like, do you, do we all remember the first time we saw someone cry in their car on social media? And you're like, "I feel like I shouldn't be watching this."

• 48:13Speaker 02

  No, it's too intimate. It's weird. Lock it up. Don't be so comfortable. I don't like, especially when it's something really, really stupid.

• 48:22Rayna Greenberg?

  But it usually, like, it's usually like a white woman and she's like, I have to go to acupuncture, but I just wanted to like, get on here and talk about this for a second.

• 48:30Speaker 02

  Well, like, okay.

• 48:31Rayna Greenberg?

  You can afford acupuncture this afternoon, I think you're fine.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  There's such a spectrum though, because there's that and there's the something really bad has happened and you grabbed the camera. Which is also uncomfy. It's all uncomfy and like, we gotta take a beat.

• 48:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  We gotta take a beat.

• 48:47Rayna Greenberg?

  And sometimes I'm just like, I don't want to shit on people for finding the outlet that makes them be able to get through the day.

• 48:52Speaker 02

  I kinda do.

• 48:53Rayna Greenberg?

  But I'm glad you're here to do it.

• 48:54Speaker 02

  No, I kinda do though, and it's okay, it's par for the course. Like, we need these conversations, we need to blink twice. We all gotta like, touch grass, zoom out and be like, what are we doing? I think about this with myself all the time. The shit I'm putting on the internet, it's annoying. A lot of the times, it's annoying and I know that it's annoying. And it has a hidden agenda sometimes. I know what I'm doing.

• 49:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Right.

• 49:18Speaker 02

  I know if there's a hidden agenda, like, I know what I'm doing when I do it and I know when other people are doing it. And I, we just need to have a little more transparency.

• 49:26Rayna Greenberg?

  I just find it fascinating because sometimes I really do want to cry to someone.

• 49:29Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 49:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, I feel like.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  Could we phone a friend?

• 49:32Rayna Greenberg?

  That's what I'm saying, to like, my mom, like, there's very few people I really can like, call to.

• 49:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Sob. It's my mom, I mean, Raina's every once in a while, but it's like, a lot of it's.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  The way you just said that as an afterthought, you want to cry?

• 49:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Of course, I don't want to do that to you. I'm like, I'm talking when you want to like, fucking rail, you know? And I just feel like with my darkest times, it's a mess, it's a mess.

• 49:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 49:52Rayna Greenberg?

  So it's like, I do get the urge of like, I want to get this out with someone on the other line. I just, I can't imagine it being my followers.

• 50:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 50:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Like.

• 50:01Speaker 02

  Your, your community, as the girls say.

• 50:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, this is gonna crush. I just.

• 50:08Rayna Greenberg?

  I also can't imagine getting out of that zone and being like, I'm still gonna post this.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 50:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, I.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  This is.

• 50:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Put it in the drafts, put it in the drafts for an hour.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then see how you feel, circle back.

• 50:19Rayna Greenberg?

  It's also not necessarily a message I want to send to our audience, that like, I, I want you to sympathize with me. I want you to come here to like, learn. Learn something and have perspective and I want to come to you when something bad has happened and I want to have thought it through and figured out the lesson in it and like this is what I would have done differently. I don't know that it's necessarily the message I want to send to people and yeah, I want to make people laugh. I mean, that's what stand up and comedy is all about. It's like taking these really painful moments, processing them and framing them differently, you know?

• 50:49Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 50:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I like the message of like, life is hard and I struggle too and it's not all perfect. Like, we saw someone do this recently and I was like, I don't hate her message, but I don't understand the tripod and the State of the Union in tears.

• 51:01Speaker 02

  And the B-roll shots, like, nobody needs to see you on your penthouse terrace, like, looking off into the Hudson River.

• 51:07Rayna Greenberg?

  You edited this one. I'm like, there are jump cuts. I'm like, you edited this?

• 51:11Speaker 02

  And we don't need to see you in the bikinis. Like, you've given us two.

• 51:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, thank you. Okay, there's this one girl in particular, it's very triggering for me. She's always posting these, like, feel bad for me with her butthole out and her tits out and I'm just like-

• 51:22Speaker 02

  I probably know the person.

• 51:23Rayna Greenberg?

  This is crazy!

• 51:24Speaker 02

  No, it's cra- like, you're not like moving the meter here. Like, I'm not having a spiritual awakening, seeing you look out into the ocean at St. Bart's, like, with some beautiful, like, audio overdub.

• 51:35Rayna Greenberg?

  If you're at a beach, if you have a bikini on-

• 51:37Speaker 02

  Sit down, have a cocktail, shut the fuck up. Thank you.

• 51:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Okay, so speaking of spiritual awakening, you have been on a radical wellness journey.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  By the way, always, always.

• 51:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  We went on your podcast a few weeks ago at this point and you were only starting to, to do this stuff with this guy.

• 51:56Speaker 02

  Ryan?

• 51:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is Ryan still in the mix?

• 51:59Speaker 02

  Yes, and I had to apologize for one of you bitches calling him a Craigslist killer on my podcast.

• 52:04Rayna Greenberg?

  It sounded like you.

• 52:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I listened and asked to be you.

• 52:09Speaker 02

  It was probably me, to be honest. I'm just blaming you. So, I was like-

• 52:13Rayna Greenberg?

  It doesn't sound like me.

• 52:14Speaker 02

  I'm like, sorry for calling you a Craigslist killer, but like, can I have an appointment on Tuesday? It's bioresonance. He also was like, please stop mispronouncing it. This isn't like witchcraft.

• 52:24Rayna Greenberg?

  What'd you call it? Bio-renaissance?

• 52:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:29Speaker 02

  And it is like electromagnetic frequency Right. work and like red lights and like negative ions. I go into this chamber a couple of times a week and I'm like A couple of the week now. Oh, yeah. He got you. Oh, I'm in. And are you going, where are you going? Well, let's back up. What are you trying to address? Just like, like everything and nothing at the same time, you know, like I feel pretty good. Yeah. Honestly, it started because I was trying to like depuff for a skincare campaign and I was like, I'm not going to stop eating. I'm not going to stop drinking. Like, can we shake this out of me? Like with some electromagnetic shock therapy, basically? And I have no idea what any of the things really do, but I do kind of feel great.

• 53:11Speaker 02

  But that's, sometimes like, I mean, I go get a massage a lot and they're like, what would you like to address? And I'm like, I just want to feel good. Totally, I just want to feel good. Like, sometimes you want to do something nice for yourself. Your wife, your mom, you need some time. I'm breathing in magnesium mist and negative ions and minerals. I go into this little chamber. It's 20 minutes. I listen to my stories. I listen to my own podcast on the Bluetooth speakers. Okay. So I'm getting new listeners in the process. People in the waiting room have to listen. Yeah. And Amazing. And it's very weird, but it's great. Okay, because you've posted and you're like in the red light. You're like in the red light district. I have one in my house now. At home too? Yeah, I got a, I got a medical grade red light panel. Now, can you just explain that? Like, is it like a tanning bed?

• 53:53Speaker 02

  It looks, okay, so my husband came home. He was in England for a while and he came home and I had really upgraded our system. Okay, so our bedroom, I was like, I have to have something to look forward to. He's gone. Like, I need to like spa out, you know? So I ordered these medical grade red light panels and I put them in the bedroom. Normally I keep them in the gym, but then I vacated them into the bedroom. Okay, where do they go? All around the bed. Okay, they stand, they're freestanding.

• 54:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, got it.

• 54:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Wait, how tall are they?

• 54:23Speaker 02

  Tall, like five feet.

• 54:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Like a canopy bed with red lights around it.

• 54:26Speaker 02

  Basically, just like panels everywhere.

• 54:28Rayna Greenberg?

  And they shine at you while you sleep.

• 54:30Speaker 02

  But you have to wear these like hideous, like Lake Tahoe Oakley sunglasses, like these wraparound red light glasses. Then I also have the mask, which I've had forever.

• 54:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I red light. That's what I'm saying. I red light every day, but I want it on my whole body.

• 54:43Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 54:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Are you naked?

• 54:44Speaker 02

  My tits are disgusting, so I gotta keep them. I need some bungee cords. So I'll wear like a sports bra. And then I also have the grounding PEMF activated charcoal mat that I lie on, okay?

• 54:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 54:57Speaker 02

  And then I also have a wand. So I'll hold the wand up to my chest and then I just bask in the red light. My husband came home, he walked into the bedroom and he screamed. He was like, imagine me laying there with those glasses, like in red light. I had the fireplace on, it was 100 degrees out. I had cranked it to like 50 degrees in my bedroom. Fireplace is on, candles are lit, and I am just sitting in silence, basking in red light. He's like, this is the exorcist. Like this is, this is not what I thought I was coming home to.

• 55:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Did you have clothes on at all when he walked in the room, or you're just butt naked?

• 55:30Speaker 02

  No, I always am in a very sensible pajama set. Like I'm doing a full American girl doll. Well, I'm laying on a mat.

• 55:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Cause you're laying on it.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  I'm laying on a mat and I'll put like a sports bra on.

• 55:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, so top is off.

• 55:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  My husband walked in to me the other day lotioning my whole body with my red light mask on, like, and mine has a cord that hangs up. Like, it was just a sight to see. Like, he was like, you're butt naked and you're, you have a mask on. Like, this is scary.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, what are women?

• 55:57Speaker 02

  I don't know. I also have like that weird chin strap thing I was trying for a while.

• 56:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Like the skims?

• 56:02Speaker 02

  It was, not skims, but it was one of those.

• 56:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Someone else got you?

• 56:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Your husband also, Shoshawn posted this photo of you steaming your face the other day. And I was like, can you tell her to fucking text me back?

• 56:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  He posted a whole video and he put it to the curb music.

• 56:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, and I was like, I need to talk to her. I sent her a five minute voice note an hour ago. And he was like, she's busy. And I was like, no, she's not.

• 56:22Speaker 02

  Which I love, by the way. That's a great tip.

• 56:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, so I just realized that I look better in humid climates. It's like, it doesn't matter. When we went to Hawaii, we were just in Singapore. I'm not kidding. I look five to 10 years younger. The second I wake up, I wake up, I look better. I don't have the bags under my eyes. My skin is plumper. Yeah, my hair is frizzier, but I'll take it.

• 56:40Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 56:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Cause even my arms look better. Like everywhere I'm aging is better in this moist climate. Like if we move back east, I'm just going to welcome the humidity because California has aged me.

• 56:50Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 56:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, we found the best surgeon here and so that has helped us. But like in terms of

• 56:55Speaker 02

  Hair and skin. Hair also.

• 56:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  But because the dry climate and the sun exposure. So I was like, how can I try to recreate this at home? So I did get a Dr. Dennis Gross like steamer.

• 57:05Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, with the orange. I know.

• 57:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 57:07Speaker 02

  I've got it. I've got a couple of them. I love it.

• 57:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 57:09Speaker 02

  It's lovely.

• 57:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, okay. Well, we'll talk later about the red light panels, but I am thinking this. I'm like, I want it more than just my face.

• 57:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  All right. Totally. Get the panel. You'll love it.

• 57:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Lay on it. Well, I said to Dr. Barrett, we were there the other day, the under part of my eyes are just getting like a little creepy. I've been really blessed with great skin. It's like one of the best things about my whole body. My skin's great, but it is getting a little creepy. And he said, red light's the thing that'll fix it.

• 57:36Speaker 02

  Try it. It really works. I feel like you look shiny and tight and like it's doing something.

• 57:41Rayna Greenberg?

  You look shiny and tight. You really do.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  Thanks, thanks, thanks. I'll take it. I mean, I'd fucking hope so after all those panels I bought.

• 57:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Fuck yeah, absolutely.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  I hope so.

• 57:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so Bio Renness.

• 57:52Speaker 02

  Bio, I'm gonna fuck this up. Bioresonance?

• 57:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  And is this a thing? Or is this Brian's brand?

• 57:58Speaker 02

  No, it's a thing.

• 57:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 57:59Speaker 02

  It's a total. Brian's gonna love this.

• 58:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is it Ryan or Brian?

• 58:03Speaker 02

  It's Brian.

• 58:05Rayna Greenberg?

  You said Ryan earlier.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  Did I?

• 58:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 58:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  You heard Ryan.

• 58:08Rayna Greenberg?

  I probably did hear Ryan.

• 58:09Speaker 02

  I don't know. It's Brian, to clarify. And it's a real thing. I've done this before with someone else, but it was like via Zoom and he was like in Oklahoma and it was very, very weird, very sketchy, but this feels very legit to me. And when you walk in, you're not seeing a bunch of dumb bitches that look like me. You're seeing older people. You're seeing dogs.

• 58:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Dogs go to this.

• 58:30Speaker 02

  Dogs.

• 58:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Dogs are getting, this is, no one outside of California knows what any of us are talking about.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  I know.

• 58:34Rayna Greenberg?

  What do you mean dogs?

• 58:35Speaker 02

  They're doing, they're healing the dogs.

• 58:39Speaker 02

  I don't know. Oh, my God. I ask no questions. So LA. I ask no questions. I'm just like, are you bringing your dog? I should. You should. No, I know. Leo needs to saunter over to Brian. We gotta get him on that. See, you said Ryan. Okay, I'm not just. Did I say? Am I crazy? Yes, I'm saying Brian, right? I don't know. We'll roll the tape back. Actually, like, that's what you're hearing, and it is. Let me know. It's a soft B. It's a soft, it's a silent B. Soft B, hard R. That's how you pronounce it. It's a silent B. That's a silent B. That's soft B and a hard R.

• 59:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  I have a burning question. It, what did bitch bible, the name start from, like, being a bitch or bitching or both?

• 59:23Speaker 02

  Both.

• 59:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 59:24Speaker 02

  And like, I don't love the name.

• 59:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's how it is, though. 14, how were, how are you supposed to like the name of a podcast you came up with 14 years ago?

• 59:31Speaker 02

  Who knew?

• 59:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're girl, girls, girls.

• 59:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 59:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm 42 years old, girl, we're the girls.

• 59:36Speaker 02

  Girlie girls.

• 59:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  I know, you just like, don't have the foresight. I didn't think it was gonna become anything, you know?

• 59:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  I like it, though. I mean, what else would it be?

• 59:44Speaker 02

  I don't know. I mean, that's the thing. Nothing else. It makes sense now. It was like, the bitch bible, I'm such a bitch. Bitch was like, such a baddie word to say. It was like, I can't believe she said this. Oh, my God, back in the day. 14 years ago, it was the 50s. It was. Well, I remember saying. I'm that bitch. You had like, those nameplates that were like, on your desk. A necklace that just said bitch. I remember saying cunt, like, early, early on, and that was a huge topic of conversation.

• 1:00:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  On your podcast?

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  People got upset with you?

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  That's, is that bad? 14 years ago, it was not of the times. No one was saying the word cunt.

• 1:00:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  I feel like women can say it. Oh, my God, my man said that.

• 1:00:24Speaker 02

  It was a whole thing.

• 1:00:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  What did people, what's the critique?

• 1:00:26Speaker 02

  Just that it was like, of all the words, like, that's the one you can't touch. Like, that ever, that's what everybody said to me. They're like, you can say whatever, but don't say that. That's disgusting. That's icky. Like, that was very much so, it was not normalized. It was like, very disgusting. You brought it back. Yeah. That, you know what? I feel like I did. Yeah. I feel like I, I was saying it publicly.

• 1:00:48Rayna Greenberg?

  It's not that shocking to me when a woman says it. I was on a date with a guy who called his ex a cunt.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  Ooh, red flag.

• 1:00:54Rayna Greenberg?

  I felt it in my body. I never went out with him again. That's a crazy thing to say.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:01:00Rayna Greenberg?

  To feel empowered to say that to another woman, I don't like it.

• 1:01:02Speaker 02

  But is it in the UK? It's just so casual, right?

• 1:01:05Rayna Greenberg?

  In Australia, cunt just means like, what's up cunt?

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  No, that's why I started saying it, because my husband and I lived in London like part time and everyone would say it. Like almost as a term of endearment, like, oh, like it was very used like so casually. I'm like, oh, I love that. So international. So I started saying it. People were like, no.

• 1:01:23Rayna Greenberg?

  It doesn't translate here. Look at us now. Now it's such a thing. Cuntie, cuntie bob, cuntie look, some serving cunt.

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:01:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Serving cunt.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  I know. I love that.

• 1:01:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Fuck all those people who criticized you.

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  I love it. Thank you. I know.

• 1:01:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Jackie, do you have any anxiety or anything?

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  Not really.

• 1:01:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 1:01:40Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  Sometimes people like you seem really well adjusted and stable.

• 1:01:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Jackie, do you cry about anything? Have you ever cried?

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  I mean, I just want to be honest. Like I could.

• 1:01:54Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm with you.

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  I want to be honest. I mean, I have like normal anxieties. Like if I'm running late for a flight, like that kind of stresses me out.

• 1:02:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Ashley doesn't feel anxiety about running late. That's just her baseline.

• 1:02:04Speaker 02

  I used to, like a long time ago, I used to have crazy kind of like panic attacks. I had like.

• 1:02:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Really?

• 1:02:10Speaker 02

  I did for a while. It was like a very short blip of time.

• 1:02:14Rayna Greenberg?

  You don't have to lie. Now I'm making things happen. When you're pregnant or something, so your hormones were crazy?

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, like I, but, but all in all, like I'm not an, I do not run anxious. I'm not a worrier at all.

• 1:02:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Do you ever journal? Have you ever journaled? Have you ever written a journal entry?

• 1:02:28Speaker 02

  What the fuck do you?

• 1:02:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Have you ever written in your notes app about something that bothers you?

• 1:02:34Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:02:37Speaker 02

  No, you know what I do though? I like to prepare arguments that haven't happened. Like that's kind of just like a fun little thing that I do. So I'll pre meditate like an altercation with someone that could possibly happen.

• 1:02:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Just in case.

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  Just in case and I'm ready to rumble.

• 1:02:52Rayna Greenberg?

  I love that because how many times do you get into like a little tip with somebody and you're like, I could have dropped the hot.

• 1:02:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  hottest insult of 2026 and I just didn't.

• 1:03:01Speaker 02

  No, I'm ready.

• 1:03:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  And now we're too far down the road.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  No, I know.

• 1:03:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  But it, when you don't get to use it, that sucks.

• 1:03:05Speaker 02

  I know. I have notes for everybody in my life, like my husband and all my family members. So that if anybody tries to hit a bitch sideways, you're not even gonna know what you're coming for. Like I've got. I have a timeline. I have like incidents that I've let slide that I'm holding on to. Like I could be pretty diabolical. But it's more for fun for me. Like I just wanna be ready.

• 1:03:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  A hundred percent.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:03:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  Like we're ready to go.

• 1:03:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  How, how old were you when you met your husband?

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  I was 21.

• 1:03:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh my god. So you were really young. You skipped that whole, I mean, all of the twenties and thirties of the, I mean, so much of our anxiety in the world and how we feel about ourselves come from men and dating.

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  One thousand percent. I think that if I was like in the game a little bit longer, it would probably be different.

• 1:03:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it really, I think, forms how you feel about yourself.

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  Twenty one. And it's like fucked up to say, but that's so, yeah.

• 1:03:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  You guys had a decade plus of marriage, childless?

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, we were together a long time.

• 1:04:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Or not marriage, but your relationship.

• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, we were together, I don't know, like 13, 14 years before having a baby.

• 1:04:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Can you imagine like what, who you would be if like you just never had to be open to the opinions of men and what they think of you?

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  I feel like I wouldn't be so good at that because I'd be like, fuck you. Like I would be very difficult, probably to date.

• 1:04:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  I just, I can't imagine who I would be. Yeah. She's starting to think of something nice to say.

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  She's like, yeah, I see that for you. No, it's so true. I would be difficult.

• 1:04:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  The right match for you.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  And I was, let me tell you, before my husband, I was, oof, god, I was so good at it in certain ways. Like I had lots of boyfriends all the time. And I was just juggling them.

• 1:04:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was actress slutty back then.

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  Zero remorse.

• 1:04:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  I had hoes in different area codes. I was like, it was.

• 1:04:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then he trapped you.

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  He trapped me.

• 1:04:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I mean, a secure relationship, you don't have to worry about any of the stuff that we hate to admit takes up so much of our brain space.

• 1:05:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Energy. I mean, I, I felt like that when I got together with my now husband. I'm like, I feel free.

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, in terms of like, I was wanting to find somebody. So I was thinking about it a lot. I was thinking about it when we would go out for girls' nights or to the grocery store or whatever, like not in a desperate way. Like I wasn't doing glam to go to the grocery store, but what if I meet him? Like it's a fucking Hallmark movie, but I just think.

• 1:05:24Rayna Greenberg?

  That just all fades away. If you find that person and it is, it can be freeing in more ways than one and that it frees up even a lot of your energy and.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can be totally yourself and you're not dealing with the discourse of like being ghosted or saying the wrong thing. And then, you know, whatever that looks like is really difficult. I can imagine that would be.

• 1:05:44Rayna Greenberg?

  It is. And like the amount of conversations you have to have with yourself and you didn't even like somebody and they ghosted you, they treated you badly.

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  Like what?

• 1:05:51Rayna Greenberg?

  They didn't text you back. And you're like, well, now I'm thinking to my, am I not good enough? Am I not pretty enough? I mean, you just don't have to deal with that. What a gift.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  I know. I would not be, I would be very problematic on the streets if I was doing. I'd be doing some weird, especially if I had a microphone, I'd be like, his name was Daniel. He lives at, I would be giving out addresses.

• 1:06:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Doxing everybody.

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I'd be terrible.

• 1:06:16Rayna Greenberg?

  I kind of wish your husband would just let you do that a little bit.

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  I know. I kind of missed an opportunity there.

• 1:06:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Does he check you on anything or does he let you cook all the time?

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  He lets me cook most of the time, but like once in a while he'll be like, that's enough. And I'm like, okay. Cause like sometimes I just, sometimes I just want to tussle and he's really not into it. But like, sometimes I get bored. You know, on a Friday where you've had like a long day of no social interaction. Okay. And you just want to pick a fight. Like I, I do this sometimes because I'm just looking for, for some entertainment really. And I'm good at it.

• 1:06:50Rayna Greenberg?

  I've seen this. Okay.

• 1:06:52Speaker 02

  And he's not, totally. And he's not good at it and I'm great at it. So sometimes I just want to like work the muscle a little bit. So I'll try to angle it a couple of different ways. I'll try to bring up something about when he was late, like three and a half weeks ago, and then he was late again. And then we already resolved it and he kind of like diffuses, diffuses. He's like, I understand, like he's, he's very quick to diffuse a situation, which is so annoying.

• 1:07:16Rayna Greenberg?

  When you want to have a fight, someone's just like, you are right and I am wrong.

• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  Or he'll just like start laughing. He's like, you're a crazy person. Good night. And then I'm like, okay, I'm done now.

• 1:07:26Rayna Greenberg?

  I got it out of my system. Let me check my notes out.

• 1:07:28Speaker 02

  I'm like, yeah, you better walk away. He's like, I'm going to go watch the Laker game. Have fun. I'm like, yeah, I will have fun. And then I'm just screaming into a hallway.

• 1:07:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Keep our son alive. Bye bitch.

• 1:07:38Speaker 02

  He just taps out in like a very like regulated way, you know? And I'm like, okay, well, that didn't work.

• 1:07:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  So that's a really long time to be married without a child. So it sounds like it was always the plan. But was it a real adjustment? And did you guys ever waffle over like, man, we're having a good time? Or did it really feel like the right time?

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  Okay. No, I definitely did. I'm like, I have designed my whole life to be like fuckless and flexible. I can go anywhere. Like, I would say three, four years ago, I had hit the stride with the podcast. We bought our home. Like, we were in such a R, but were in such a great zone. Like, I had truly full independence. And we're not supposed to talk about this because we're women, but especially like financially. Like, I could go do whatever I wanted to do, whenever I wanted to do, buy whatever I want, fly however I want. Like, that was always.

• 1:08:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is what it was all for.

• 1:08:35Speaker 02

  That was the goal. And so once I got that, where I was like, whoa, I can just like go to Paris next week and like buy purses and like eat at all the restaurants I like and then do whatever the fuck I want. You know, like, that was so cool. And I'm like, are we really gonna fuck this up? Like, and the truth is, you know what I said to a good friend of mine, ours actually? I said, you know, people who don't have big lives don't have big solutions, which sounds really, really.

• 1:09:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  I saw that you posted.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  Self-important. I was very drunk at the time. It blew both of our minds. After I said, after I said it, we were both like, whoa, that is so real. That's so true. And then we couldn't remember what it was. I was like, wait, what did I say again? And then we workshopped it for like 13 minutes. We couldn't remember this profound thing. And then once we finally came back to it, I was like, text that to me. I gotta remember that.

• 1:09:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:27Speaker 02

  And then I read it back the next morning, like, that's like actually very stupid.

• 1:09:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, I don't think it is.

• 1:09:31Speaker 02

  Well, you know. What was it?

• 1:09:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  You don't even remember. So soft B. People who don't have big.

• 1:09:38Speaker 02

  Obstacles.

• 1:09:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  So Ryan Thomas.

• 1:09:45Speaker 02

  Silent B.

• 1:09:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Obstacles.

• 1:09:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not the itch eyeball.

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  You know, I'm a solution oriented person.

• 1:09:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  And I think that you can either look at it like, oh, I'm never gonna do this again. That's what women love to do it, love to do it. Well, just wait, it's only you're never gonna do that again. Just wait, the just waiters. This is why I won't march for those fucking bitches. Okay, just wait, just wait. It's so doomsday. It's so unhelpful. It's so toxic. It's so weird.

• 1:10:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Like mom saying like, you think you're gonna go out to dinner and enjoy your life.

• 1:10:21Speaker 02

  Like you're never gonna do that again.

• 1:10:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Just all of it, all of it about everything. Just wait, like it's this crazy doomsday caution. Your life's gonna change so drastically. You're so naive.

• 1:10:33Speaker 02

  It's like, you don't know. I'm like, well, okay, I have a two and a half year old and yes, things are different, but I also travel. I, we also go out to dinner. We also like have exposed outlets. Like, you know what I mean? There is a way to design. You're the architect of your own life. You can figure it out. If you don't want to, if you wanna have an excuse, you wanna be upset about things and you wanna harbor in that, you can do that. Or you can do something else. And I've done something else. So, you know, yeah, things are different, but they're better. For like, we make it work. We just make it work. My husband doesn't not travel for work anymore. I don't not travel. Like we figure it out.

• 1:11:15Speaker 02

  I also married someone that like wants to be a part of the equation and is helpful. So, yeah, it works.

• 1:11:22Rayna Greenberg?

  We were talking, I find it fascinating, men that like want kids versus men that wanna be dads. Like, my dad really wanted to be a dad. Like he took us to like the zoo and the library and baseball games. He just like loved being a fucking dad.

• 1:11:34Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 1:11:35Rayna Greenberg?

  When I hear people would say like, I just want kids. I'm like, do you?

• 1:11:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're so right. I never even really thought of that the language matters. I mean, you can say things and you're like, what I really mean is this. I'm not saying that you say a thing and you're locked into that mindset, but those are two different things. Like

• 1:11:50Speaker 02

  Very different.

• 1:11:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  The way you say them. What do you mean? I gotta have kids. I gotta carry on my family name or whatever the fuck. Or I want to be a dad. Like, I want to be a dad means I want to be a dad.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, you want to participate and raise a human and like be in the trenches.

• 1:12:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  I would love to have kids. I don't want to be a mom.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  I could be a dad.

• 1:12:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  When I think about it, I, I love the family. I love children. I'm obsessed with my brother's son. Like, I love people around me all the time. I love the joyous moments with a child for an hour. I don't want to be a mom. I don't want to do the things you have to be a great mom to do.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  I wish people were more open and honest about that without being scared of being like judged. I think that's really, I find it to be odd. I feel like people, less people should have kids. I feel like if you don't really want it, you shouldn't fucking do it.

• 1:12:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think you should want it more than anything before you do it because the drastic change it takes on your life. I can't imagine being on the, and I'm sure this happens, but I can't imagine being on the fence and just be like, well, try it. Ah, I, I hope it works out for you, but I can't imagine a bigger life change. So.

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  And I hate, hate, hate when, when women with children say to people who don't want kids, like the pity thing of like, oh, well, you'll never, you haven't even like lived. No, they're having a great time. Okay. You're miserable. They're, they're having the time of their fucking lives. Let's not rewrite history here.

• 1:13:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I feel like people don't like come for us like that because I, we are so confident in our decisions. And also I don't, if they do, I don't even clock it. I'm like, it's such a projection.

• 1:13:22Speaker 02

  No, by the way, that's exactly what it is.

• 1:13:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  It doesn't even bother. If you say that shit to me, oh, you'll change your mind. You'll regret it. I will not. I am so steadfast in my choice to not have children as you are and yours to have them, which is great too.

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  Exactly. And you're not going being like, oh God, you'll never, you know what I mean? It's just like such a losing game.

• 1:13:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Kids, you'll change your mind.

• 1:13:42Speaker 02

  Right. Guess what? I'm here to tell the tale.

• 1:13:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  I did, I changed my minds. My life was awesome.

• 1:13:48Rayna Greenberg?

  We've gotten emails from people saying, I had kids and I realized I didn't want to do this.

• 1:13:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  I regret, yeah. I have a friend that's like, why did I do this? I'm like, I told you, you shouldn't have done it. I fucking told you. Like bitch, now you gotta stick with it.

• 1:14:02Rayna Greenberg?

  I heard somebody say, she was an influencer, she said, I would rather regret not having kids than regret having kids. And I, I think about that, where I, when I like balance it, cause like, I would rather be like, okay, this, this decision only affected me versus this decision affected me and my offspring.

• 1:14:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 1:14:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, you know, you know.

• 1:14:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, let's wrap this up with a bitch sesh.

• 1:14:23Speaker 02

  Okay, let's do it. Should I start?

• 1:14:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Do you have something ready to go that's been pissing you off?

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  I mean, I feel like I've kind of beat this to filth, but all social media trends that include the Goo Goo Dolls, I would like to end.

• 1:14:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, the 90s?

• 1:14:38Speaker 02

  All of this, like, uh, mom, what were you like in the 90s? And then it's like this slideshow of, you've seen it, everyone's seen it.

• 1:14:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Talk about, so I'm an, I live for the 90s. Oh, you have a similar, like, you posted a playlist, right?

• 1:14:51Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm a big 90s alternative.

• 1:14:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  I have nostalgia as a disease. Like, it's all I think about, whatever.

• 1:14:56Speaker 02

  Same.

• 1:14:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  The song isn't the right vibe, by the way, and like Usher posted and he plays the song, whatever. It's weird.

• 1:15:02Speaker 02

  Also, it is the wrong song.

• 1:15:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's the wrong song. But where is everyone getting all this footage? Like, I don't, I, wait, do I call my mom? Like, I'm like, I have photos from the 90s, but like, people have this ready to go. Why do you have all your 90s pics? I wish I had them.

• 1:15:18Rayna Greenberg?

  They were all at my mom's house in an album. I would have to like, call her.

• 1:15:21Speaker 02

  So much work. And also, it, it's the wrong song and it's the wrong verse.

• 1:15:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Totally.

• 1:15:26Speaker 02

  And I'd give up forever. Like, it's not even like the chorus.

• 1:15:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Also, the song should change. Like, mom, what do you like, what, like the 90s? It should, the music should change.

• 1:15:35Speaker 02

  It's a bit of a downer, of a sounder.

• 1:15:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  The worst one I saw, this was unhinged, and it was MTV Spring Break, and to that song! And it was all the best clips that we remember. It was like Jerry Springer and The Grind, and like, all these like slutty people at the Panama City Beach, and it was like the best thing we've ever experienced back then to watch.

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  Why wouldn't it be like the Cranberries, like, like Dreams? Like, why wouldn't it be like,

• 1:15:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Dreams could work?

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  Or like New Radicals, like You Get What You Get. Like, why wouldn't it be something a little more uplifting?

• 1:16:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Just upbeat.

• 1:16:04Speaker 02

  Upbeat.

• 1:16:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's giving someone died.

• 1:16:06Speaker 02

  It's giving eulogy.

• 1:16:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm so mad about the song choice.

• 1:16:11Rayna Greenberg?

  It's like, are we trying to be sad about the 90s?

• 1:16:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, the fact that Usher did it, Dad, What Were You Like in the 90s? And then Usher shows all these photos of him as an icon to the Goo Goo Dolls sad song was like, it's a, my brain is breaking.

• 1:16:25Speaker 02

  Crazy. Wait, I want to bring up another thing that I could talk about for 500 years. Have you seen Jennifer Lopez's interiors of her homes?

• 1:16:34Rayna Greenberg?

  No. Where are they? On Instagram?

• 1:16:38Speaker 02

  You have to go take a look.

• 1:16:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, what are they like? Her new home, like, not with Ben Affleck, obviously.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  Every home that she's ever had. First of all, do you know who Rachel Ashwell is? The diffusion line for Target, Shabby Sheik? Do you know what a dust ruffle is?

• 1:16:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Uh huh.

• 1:16:50Speaker 02

  Okay. Just close your eyes.

• 1:16:52Rayna Greenberg?

  It's giving dust ruffles?

• 1:16:52Speaker 02

  No, it's not. It's not giving dust ruffles.

• 1:16:55Rayna Greenberg?

  She has dust ruffles.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  There are dust fucking ruffles.

• 1:16:59Rayna Greenberg?

  I swear to God, Gundam, I didn't know we made these anymore. I didn't know they were available.

• 1:17:03Speaker 02

  She's got a sofa. There's so much upholstery. There's so many dust ruffles. There is so much mass-produced Wayfair artwork. She's got a phone from 1998 with the cord. She's got Z-Gallery lamps. You'll never recover. We can't trust her.

• 1:17:16Rayna Greenberg?

  J-Lo, she's got edge and spice.

• 1:17:19Speaker 02

  We can't.

• 1:17:19Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, you see something like that, you're like, we are not.

• 1:17:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Jenny from the block has dust ruffles.

• 1:17:24Speaker 02

  Oh, look at her Georgian home interior. You will die. It is undersized. She's got a love seat with like a floral motif and a fucking dust ruffle with all of these pillows.

• 1:17:34Rayna Greenberg?

  She's trolling us.

• 1:17:35Speaker 02

  It's the craziest thing you've ever seen in your life. It just doesn't make any sense. It just doesn't make sense. You look at Gwyneth Paltrow's home in Montecito, that makes sense.

• 1:17:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Kendall Jenner, that mountain house.

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  Kendall Jenner's mountain house. Things make sense. This makes no fucking sense. No fucking sense.

• 1:17:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, I cannot wait to get into this.

• 1:17:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. It's very, it's a niche take, but it's something I think about a lot.

• 1:17:58Rayna Greenberg?

  This is, I love this take. I mean, we went off about the pompous grass when we came in here.

• 1:18:02Speaker 02

  I know, I didn't want to bring it up again, because we just, I feel like we healed.

• 1:18:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm in my powers, why don't you say anything to me about it? I'm not gonna take it down.

• 1:18:08Speaker 02

  Right. Did you take any of it down?

• 1:18:10Rayna Greenberg?

  One of the stocks broke and I taped it back together.

• 1:18:13Speaker 02

  You had faux foliage and it broke? That was a sign from the universe.

• 1:18:17Rayna Greenberg?

  I have decided for my next apartment, when I move, if I've... We'll talk about it.

• 1:18:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:18:23Rayna Greenberg?

  For my next apartment, my next home, no pompous grass. I'm done, I'm actually done with the whole aesthetic. I'm done with the whole aesthetic. I'm done with the whole like whitewashed, beachy. I mean, I live in Venice, it makes sense.

• 1:18:34Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:18:34Rayna Greenberg?

  But like, I'm, I am done with that aesthetic.

• 1:18:36Speaker 02

  I'm proud of you.

• 1:18:37Rayna Greenberg?

  A friend of ours had their home like redone and she wanted this like vibey, like one hotel look. And I said to her, it's over.

• 1:18:43Speaker 02

  Okay. Do you have something to bet about?

• 1:18:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I do actually have something to bet about. Okay. The larger issue is micro trends in fashion and I feel like we can't keep up with them. And it's every 30 seconds, there is a new thing. And like, I saw this comedian talking about like Gen Z and jeans. Like you guys didn't pick a jean. That's not my joke, it's her joke. She said, you guys didn't pick a jean, you picked all the jeans. We picked, we picked skinny jeans and it was the wrong thing to pick. But

• 1:19:03Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:19:03Rayna Greenberg?

  The specific micro trend I really hate is how we were all made fun of to the point that we couldn't do front tucks anymore, which like, fine, I will adhere to it. But now they're doing side tucks.

• 1:19:13Speaker 02

  What are you saying?

• 1:19:14Rayna Greenberg?

  One, one up around the side, side tuck, yep.

• 1:19:18Speaker 02

  Wait, a side tuck under the bra?

• 1:19:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Under the bra.

• 1:19:20Speaker 02

  No, no way.

• 1:19:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, they are.

• 1:19:23Speaker 02

  Let's see the receipt. I don't have the midsection for that right now, so I'm irritated, but also that's stupid. So they're doing an asymmetrical tuck. Asymmetrical tuck. But we can't have a side part.

• 1:19:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Side tuck.

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:19:36Rayna Greenberg?

  No.

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  I hate everything that you're showing me right now.

• 1:19:39Rayna Greenberg?

  No, that looks like she's joking. Are we sure?

• 1:19:41Speaker 02

  No, she's not. Have you seen more?

• 1:19:42Rayna Greenberg?

  No, this is a thing. Side tucks are a thing.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  Oh, it's Miranda?

• 1:19:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:46Speaker 02

  Bless her.

• 1:19:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, we're both trying to date Chase. I mean, it's so aggressive, the one sided. People are like, yes, I saw a stylist the other day and she was like, oh, great way to freshen up your wardrobe.

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  No, stop. Just tuck one side of your fucking shirt into your bra?

• 1:20:00Rayna Greenberg?

  No.

• 1:20:00Speaker 02

  Like you were getting dressed in a dumpster? No, it looks like a mistake. It looks like it got caught. No, I'm not doing that. Anything that looks like a mistake, like, I can't.

• 1:20:08Rayna Greenberg?

  It's like, look what I did. It's crazy. Like you look like you just ate up on that.

• 1:20:12Speaker 02

  It's so stupid. And a thong bikini for me, like, you know, those diaper-y, like bunchy bikinis that look like the, like the thongs you wear when you're like getting waxed? You have to be so confident with your butthole to pull off a thong bikini.

• 1:20:25Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm okay with it now.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  I like it. As a swimsuit? Yeah. Oh, as a swimsuit. You have to really know what's going on.

• 1:20:31Rayna Greenberg?

  I've made peace with it.

• 1:20:33Speaker 02

  You made peace with it.

• 1:20:33Rayna Greenberg?

  You can't hardly find full coverage, though.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can't find anything, that's why. I'm cool with a cheeky number, but like a full, like a string.

• 1:20:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Who's doing that outside of Miami?

• 1:20:43Speaker 02

  Like Em Rata, like she wants, you know, she's a writer and she wants to be taken seriously. And she doesn't want to be objectified, but she is going to show us her asshole every other week.

• 1:20:51Rayna Greenberg?

  I'll look at her asshole.

• 1:20:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  I would get kicked off the beach. Like, you don't want to see what's going on back there. Like, I have so many problems with my butt. Like, I just can't. Like, I want full coverage. You can't find it.

• 1:21:01Speaker 02

  No, I need, I need something in between, but I can't have a string in my ass.

• 1:21:05Rayna Greenberg?

  That's insane. But I have made peace with the fact that there's just no coverage. I go to the beach alone a lot. I'm like walking around, my whole butt's out. I'm just like, I've had to make peace with it.

• 1:21:13Speaker 02

  Good for you.

• 1:21:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Thank you.

• 1:21:15Speaker 02

  Strong.

• 1:21:15Rayna Greenberg?

  What do you want to bet?

• 1:21:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, this is really nothing new for me, but I have seen it become more prevalent. People with their devices playing full video in public, but so I have,

• 1:21:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  I can feel the rage filling my body. I have always said people on speakerphone in public, get the, what are you fucking doing? Like, this was my hinge prompt, but twice in the last week, like in a coffee shop and at a restaurant, at Zink and at the new Intelligenzia on the patio in Santa Monica. Both middle-aged white men, obviously.

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  Obviously.

• 1:21:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Ordered their coffee, whatever they're doing. They propped up their phone to watch something without any headphones. You are the worst person alive. You are so terrible. You are so entitled. You were, you have no friends. Clearly, that's why you're doing this. Like, you want to go to a coffee shop or a restaurant and bring headphones and watch something? Go all the way off. But what are you doing? I can't, this should not be allowed. And United Airlines recently, they updated their rules. You have to have headphones for all personal device audio, or you can be removed.

• 1:22:18Rayna Greenberg?

  That should be the standard rule.

• 1:22:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  You can be removed from flights. Like, I've heard Americans say you have to wear headphones. You can't just like play your devices at full volume, but people are showing up to establishments.

• 1:22:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Men with men, white men with their devices to play. I can't believe it.

• 1:22:35Speaker 02

  I sat next to someone at a sushi bar like last week who was doing the same fucking thing. Full volume.

• 1:22:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't understand this.

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  And I could not control myself. I, you know, I like, I love a one sided monologue. So I was sitting like one seat over from him and like, oh, okay. So we're all, we're all watching this movie. Okay. Good spoiler alert. And I, I just like, had to keep talking about it.

• 1:22:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'll confront somebody. I mean, like, could you put fucking headphones on? I'll go up to somebody. I will not just let them. Mel Robbins said, you have to let them. I'm not letting them. And I will do that, or I will tell a server because they're disturbing the patrons of this restaurant. But both occasions, we were getting ready to leave and I was like, well, it's time to go. But this is an insane behavior. Like you are a terrible person to, to think you can do this.

• 1:23:19Speaker 02

  It goes back to the lack of self-awareness. Like, how are you existing in the universe thinking that this is okay or respectable?

• 1:23:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, how are you in a room full of a hundred plus people and you think what I want is more important than what every single person wants? This is not debatable.

• 1:23:32Speaker 02

  No, you're hijacking a vibe.

• 1:23:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Your kids too. So we went to brunch and the, sitting behind us, the kid with the iPad at full volume. I, I'm sorry.

• 1:23:40Speaker 02

  Unacceptable.

• 1:23:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  If you need your kid to have a device in a restaurant, they either need to wear headphones, they need to watch without sound. That's just what it is. You can absolutely bring your device or you can't go out to the restaurant. I glared at the mom until they turned the volume down.

• 1:23:51Speaker 02

  Good.

• 1:23:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's just so rude.

• 1:23:54Speaker 02

  It is so fucking rude.

• 1:23:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'd rather you smoke or be, no shoes.

• 1:24:00Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 1:24:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, I'd, I'd much rather you be on the phone, having a conversation that I can listen to.

• 1:24:04Speaker 02

  That's fun at least.

• 1:24:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  That I will at least sign up for. Like, are we having a fight? Are we arguing about something? I mean, if you're talking about something. No, because a middle aged white man is never giving you any tea. Like, he's on a business call on speaker. Okay. I also don't like people that talk on the phone on the plane, period. Like, when you are on the ground, like, when you're on the tarmac and people are on the phone having a conversation, like, I had, I've had recently, like, several people, like, having business meeting phone calls on the plane. You are two inches away from me.

• 1:24:34Speaker 02

  Are you conducting business? Are you a businessman? Like, get the fuck out of here.

• 1:24:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  If it's an emergency, like, as I was boarding a plane, Taylor Frankie Paul's season of The Bachelor got canceled. And I was leaving a voice note and I was like, I have to finish talking about this now.

• 1:24:48Speaker 02

  It's a national tragedy.

• 1:24:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  I, I walked through the plane, talking about this. But once I sat, I got off, I got off the phone. I hate it, but I can. Live with it because I it's short-lived. Like, I know it's about to stop.

• 1:25:00Speaker 02

  A phone call.

• 1:25:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  But remember that one time?

• 1:25:01Speaker 02

  You don't know if it's a short-lived though.

• 1:25:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  That we. But they have to, before you take off, is my point.

• 1:25:06Speaker 02

  But what if we're on the runway for thirty minutes?

• 1:25:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's fair. That would, I, yeah, that's, usually though, it does feel like it's gonna be quick. But that one time, with the manager of that one group, and he talked on the phone, we, I heard so much about his custody battle and like all this.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  He was spilling, that's what I'm saying, give us tea! He was spilling so much tea, and then he was saying he managed a band, and we were able to place his tattoos to figure out what band he managed.

• 1:25:30Speaker 02

  Oh, that was crazy.

• 1:25:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then we like, I would love that. So, yes, give us the tea if you're gonna do it, but these restaurants need to make these rules. And like, I just wanna empower all servers to just gently say, "Do you have headphones?"

• 1:25:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:25:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, we have a policy that if you have a device in the restaurant.

• 1:25:46Speaker 02

  The Earth also has a policy that you can't act like this.

• 1:25:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know, but you know, you wanna be, that's a Patreon, you don't wanna start an altercation. So, it's just like, that's what they do on flights. Like, they come up and they say, "You need headphones."

• 1:25:58Speaker 02

  We need structure and order.

• 1:25:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  In society, yes, there's.

• 1:26:00Speaker 02

  We do. What were you yelling about? There was rules for society. It made me laugh. Is it about the plane?

• 1:26:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's about everything. I was just.

• 1:26:06Speaker 02

  Everything, yeah.

• 1:26:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Just music on the beach.

• 1:26:08Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:26:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Just.

• 1:26:10Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:26:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  People, I did this TikTok years ago.

• 1:26:13Speaker 02

  Like, you don't get to just decide what everyone is listening to.

• 1:26:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Get to DJ the beach.

• 1:26:17Speaker 02

  No, what are you, Diplo?

• 1:26:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't even like people talking close enough to me on the beach. My rule is if you were doing something that if everyone did it, it would be a problem, you shouldn't be doing it. Yeah. That's what it's like to be in the world.

• 1:26:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:26:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  You don't have to abide by those rules. You can live in the woods and not be around people. But in society, if you're doing a thing that if we all did it, if we all pulled out our phones right now and started watching sports on full volume in this restaurant, what the fuck would happen? You know?

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  And you don't wanna fight fire with fire. That's a very dangerous kinda system to come.

• 1:26:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  I never thought of that.

• 1:26:47Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:26:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's funny.

• 1:26:48Speaker 02

  But that is funny. Imagine you, you're like, "Watch me."

• 1:26:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  A porn.

• 1:26:52Speaker 02

  "Watch me. I'm gonna hit you with a higher volume and something more uncomfortable. We're gonna calm about it. Zinc. Go."

• 1:27:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. Okay. Well, Jackie, this has been a delight.

• 1:27:02Speaker 02

  Thank you so much for having me.

• 1:27:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Jackie, I just love to listen to you talk shit about stuff. Your Instagram's so fun, your podcast is so fun.

• 1:27:08Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:27:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  You really just pop off about everything. Like, tell people where they can find you everywhere.

• 1:27:12Speaker 02

  My podcast is called The Bitch Bible. You can find it wherever you listen to podcasts. And then I'm on Instagram, @JackieShimmel. That's it.

• 1:27:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is such a pleasure.

• 1:27:21Speaker 02

  Hard B.

• 1:27:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hard B.

• 1:27:22Speaker 02

  For both.

• 1:27:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bitch Bible.

• 1:27:24Speaker 02

  Soft R on that one.

• 1:27:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  And girlsgottaeat.com for us. You guys can get tickets to our show here in LA on May 7th at girlsgottaeat.com, girlsgotta eat podcast on Instagram and Tik Tok. I'm Ash Hess on Instagram and Tik Tok. Raina is Rayna Greenberg, RainaGreenberg.com for her tour tickets. You can watch full video on YouTube or Spotify. So subscribe there and we will see you Thursday. Have a good week, guys. Bye.

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