Mike Benz: The CIA’s Use of NGOs to Coup Foreign Governments, and How They’re Doing It to Trump

Mike Benz on how NGOs run the world on behalf of a small number of very dangerous people. (00:00) Introduction (01:20) What Are NGOs? (10:00) Why the CIA Was Really Created (26:02) George Soros’ Open Society Foundation (59:59) The Anti-American Agendas American Taxpayers Are Funding Paid partnerships with: Eight Sleep: Get $350 off the new Pod 5 Ultra at https://EightSleep.com/Tucker Liberty Safe: Promo code “MADEINUSA” for 5% off at https://LibertySafe.com/Tucker Heritage Foundation: https://Heritage.org/TuckerSimpliSafe: Visit https://simplisafe.com/TUCKER to claim 50% off & your first month free! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Speaker 01

  The US Institute of Peace was, think of it like the National Dammit for Democracy.

• 0:34Tucker Carlson?

  Is George Orwell in charge of naming these groups? National Dammit for Democracy subverts democracy. All these peace groups are aggressively anti-peace.

• 0:42Speaker 01

  You can check out these protests online. They're hilarious. It's people protesting in the streets so that they are not allowed to know foreign funding of their own societies. Put the blind folders on me. I'm not allowed to know whether that is funded by a foreign government, how much is funding. The CIA was running an initiative to control the education space during the Cold War to stop the spread of communist sympathizing teachings and curricula. All this was repurposed against right-wing populism when Trump won in 2016.

• 1:13Tucker Carlson?

  I noticed.

• 1:13Speaker 01

  According to George Soros, the Open Society Foundation was to provide basically a tax loophole for his kids. It became such a powerful force in Washington that we had to synchronize US foreign policy with the foreign policy set out by the Open Society Foundation.

• 1:50Tucker Carlson?

  NGOs, you hear the term all the time. And in fact, the deeper you look into almost any news story, especially one that pertains to the destruction of Western civilization in the United States, you find something called an NGO at the bottom of the story. NGO stands for non-governmental organization. But paradoxically, NGOs feel like a parallel government to me. You've done a lot of research on this. I don't think this topic's talked about enough. So I'm just going to stand back and let you explain what an NGO is, where they came from, and what role they occupy in the modern West.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. NGOs are the stem cell of the government's central nervous system. They are this highly flexible tool, just like a stem cell can transform into any of the 220 different cell types in the human body, and they self-renew, and they can generate all these new neurons. That is really, you can't disentangle or really separate the government from the non-governmental organizations. This started in its origin, really with the creation of the US income tax in 1913, and then in 1917, contributions to charitable

• 3:09Speaker 01

  organizations, to 501(c)(3)'s as we now know it, became tax deductible from this new income tax. And so that gave rise to this money flow into private foundations and into nonprofit organizations that would come to play a large role in the, in both world wars, but in particular, World War II, when humanitarian relief began to be a big part of OSS and the predecessor to the CIA, and military financial assistance to groups afflicted by World War II. And then, in particular, during the Marshall Plan after World War II,

• 3:54Speaker 01

  NGOs played a key role in being a deniable front to run money, to establish contacts, and to provide direction and guidance to groups that the US government did not want to be caught necessarily doing directly. And so you can trace this back, really, you have all these

• 4:15Tucker Carlson?

  So they were fronts, a lot of them, or at least in part.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  So it's a complicated relationship because you have government agencies and then you have outside high net worth individuals and families, dynastic American families like the Fords, the Rockefellers, the Carnegie's, all starting these private philanthropies, all playing a role in US statecraft, all having international businesses that rely on foreign markets. And so they're highly dependent on the State Department clearing the way for them, negotiating deals for them, acquiring territory, creating export markets, maintaining laws in foreign countries that maximize profitability, securing mining rights, securing trade routes. So

• 5:03Speaker 01

  there's this complex interplay. This is why I always call, so the story is really about, I don't really think of it as a government being different than an NGO, as being different than this corporate financial overclass. When I use the term the blob, which is not my term, that was a term from Obama's Deputy National Security Advisor, Ben Rhodes, to describe a force within Washington that was bigger than the White House, that the Obama White House felt like it couldn't get its foreign policy done because this foreign policy establishment, this blob structure seemed to be more powerful than that. But I think of the blob as having three, three levels to it. You have the guts of it inside

• 5:48Speaker 01

  the government, which is the State Department, the Defense Department, the Intelligence Community, and USAID. You can think of it, Hillary Clinton would call this the 3D model, diplomacy, defense, and development. And then the IC plays, the CIA, for example, plays a supporting role in those functions. And these are all merged together as one cohesive way of advancing US foreign policy, is what we call it. But it's really advancing the interests of

• 6:19Speaker 01

  Generally speaking insiders or national champions like our large multinational corporations. But bring this back, so you have this government structure in the center of it. And then below that, you have the NGOs who are funded by the US government and who work alongside the US government and have a longer reach than the US government. The State Department can't just walk into certain conflict zones and talk to the indigenous community and get honest answers or tell them what to do without being on the record saying something they might not want attributed to them. The NGOs can go in and do that. The NGOs can serve as the back channels for diplomacy.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  The NGOs can provide a plausible way of providing financial assistance or money or bribes to various groups, to run shipments and arms and to create networks of assets that then an Assistant Secretary of State can then liaise with. So there's this network creation level and there's this influence level at the bottom. But above that government level is what I call the donor drafter class, which is, everyone understands the concept of big donors having a big influence on politics.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Not only do they largely play the key role in determining who's president through the funding that they provide, but they, I say donor drafter because they draft off the policies off of the US government. They don't just donate into it. Like in a bike race, you always want to be not in first, you want to be right behind the guy in first so that the guy in first is cutting the wind for you so that you don't suffer the cost of the extra exertion to cut the wind. The Pentagon cuts the wind for companies, for multinational corporations. The State Department cuts the wind for multinational corporations and private equity funds and the whole financial overclass.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  The CIA cuts the wind for... Corporations of financial firms, the USAID catch the wind. And so you have these figures like George Soros, for example, and Bill Gates, who are now obviously very well renowned in the NGO world. The Open Society Foundation, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and then also Rockefeller, Carnegie Foundation, Ford Foundation, all of these. All of these have corporations and financial firms attached to their philanthropy. And when they, so they will receive funding from the US government, from USAID,

• 9:06Speaker 01

  or their portfolio assets will, or their portfolio NGOs or companies will. But they will also donate into it. And I bring this up because oftentimes they are paid by the government. But oftentimes, they're actually paying into a government project that advances some other interest. And I can go through a bunch of examples of this, but maybe I'll come back to the history real quick.

• 9:30Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  So in 1948, this was the start of the intelligence state in America. It was NSC 10-2 authored by George Kennan, which gave the CIA its plausible deniability doctrine that allowed you to, that allowed the CIA to have a license to lie. The CIA came into creation, I'm just taking a quick slide here.

• 9:59Speaker 01

  The CIA was created because the State Department wanted dirty deeds done without being attributed to the State Department. So they needed some outside agency which could do what George Kennan called, two months before he authored the plausible deniability doctrine in NSC 10-2. He called this "the inauguration of organized political warfare." This is a very little known memo that was not declassified, I believe, until 2005. It was written in 1948.

• 10:31Speaker 01

  Everyone knows George Kennan as the head of the policy planning staff at the State Department as the author of the containment strategy against Russia and the Cold War. One of the most celebrated folks in US diplomacy history. But two months before granting this license to do all this, to have the CIA operate through NGOs, through civil society organizations, through private foundations, through, you know, these astroturf grassroots advocacy nonprofits. He wrote this memo called the inauguration of organized political warfare. And he argues that, this is now April 1948.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  We had just effectively rigged the 1948 Italian election, April 18th, 1948. We had wanted, this was the first democratic election in Italy, which after World War II had ended. And we had pitted basically a pro-US, pro-Western democracy candidate versus a pro-Soviet autocracy candidate was how it was pitched. And the very first national security memo, 1-1, was on the central importance of Italy to the US position at the dawn of the Cold War and that we could not afford to lose this election.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  And so the very first covert action of the Central Intelligence Agency, because in 19, under the 1947 Act, it was largely conceived of as being an intelligence collection agency, not so much operations. The CIA has two different career tracks.

• 12:11Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  Intelligence, you know, they call it the analyst track and the operations track. And they're very different breeds of people. They're very, very different in what they do. One of them, you know, you collect the intelligence and you synthesize it for policymakers at the State Department or at the White House National Security Council.

• 12:27Tucker Carlson?

  A lot of reading, a lot of foreign websites.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  Yes, a lot of academics.

• 12:30Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  And the operations is where you get, you know, the Barry Seal cocaine cowboy types. And, uh, you know, these, you know, the, the kind of wild folks who go in and do the dirty work to overthrow democratically elected governments or to do the.

• 12:48Tucker Carlson?

  So when people talk about the CIA, they're talking about the director of operations, really.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:51Tucker Carlson?

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• 12:55Speaker 01

  True, although John Brennan was an analyst track his whole career and, um, you know, I don't know that that makes a more charitable case than the operations side, but, um, but the fact is, is Kennan writes this memo in 1948, 12 days after the US had rigged the Italian election in 1948, and that's what it was. Miles Copeland, who was one of the leaders of that from the CIA side, wrote in a biography later in his life that, uh, without CIA intervention in that election, uh, we would have lost 60 to 40.

• 13:30Tucker Carlson?

  I believe, I believe his son went on to play the drums in the police. Stuart Copeland.

• 13:35Speaker 01

  Well, and, and, and, uh, Miles Copeland, the, the.

• 13:38Tucker Carlson?

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• 13:40Speaker 01

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• 17:20Speaker 01

  What happens is, in the 1948 election, the CIA, which did not really have the authorization to do what it did, it was a last-minute, last-ditch hail mary effort to swing the election, and they took the assets that they had had from World War II, backing, at that time, the OSS, the War Department, before in 1948 it changed to the Defense Department, the War Department had worked closely with the Vatican, with the Church, as well as with mafia organizations, organized crime factions in Italy that were being prosecuted by Mussolini.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  And we were teamed up with them, they gave us access to ports, to infrastructure, to safe houses, they were a big network, pro-US network node during World War II, and because of their influence on unions, they allowed us to run arms, run transshipments of supplies, food, assistance, all of that, which is one of the reasons that the Italian mafia was protected for 60 years, was very much a Cold War asset for the US. But, so the CIA achieves the successful result in April 1948, and they do so by using NGOs, they use charity

• 18:45Speaker 01

  fronts, they use philanthropic foundations to funnel money and assistance in, they work through the unions and the trade labor associations, which are civil society organizations that you can consider in the NGO fold, they work through all of these charities, foundations, nonprofits, the NGO sphere, in order to run this election rigging in 1948. So 12 days later, George Kennan writes a memo from the US State Department called "The inauguration of our national political warfare," and everyone can look this up online, and he lays out how this is the model blueprint for

• 19:26Speaker 01

  The American power in the 20th century and that we need to overcome the basic distinction between peace and war that Americans have long believed there was because the average American does not understand the intricacies of international relations. And if we don't, if we don't seize this initiative to build an organized political warfare apparatus through this State Department intelligence function, then we will lose the American century, we will lose the 20th century to the Bolsheviks or to the British, who each have their own Department of Dirty Tricks. And so it goes on to say that this is a State Department function.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  Ideally, it would be within a State Department Bureau of Political Warfare. So I think what the Director of Political Warfare is what they wanted to call this until they decided. And in the memo, he says that, but there are problems with this, which is that because the State Department provides a public audit of its funds, we would not be able to conceal these funds in the State Department budget. So it might be ideal to have an outside intelligence agency to take on this function. And that's why two months later, the CIA was given the plausible deniability doctrine and given, delegated these powers by that very author, George Kennan.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  But at the back of this memo are fascinating exhibits of contemplated ways to structure, recommendations and proposals for structuring this CIA intelligence work through NGOs. And it includes creating, for example, voluntary councils of an outside organization that would nominally look to the public like it was a grassroots organization that is helmed by fine upstanding members of the American establishment or people in great repute. He actually uses the line, "Members of the American business community of the caliber of Allen Dulles."

• 21:31Speaker 01

  Of course, Allen Dulles was the CIA chief, but they would...

• 21:36Tucker Carlson?

  A true criminal.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  Right, and you know, and the time his brother was running the State Department. But and and it goes on to say that it would look to the world like it's an NGO. But it would be, it would receive funding from the CIA. It would receive guidance from the CIA and it would constantly coordinate. And it was at that very year that the that the term NGO really became a codified term. When when the term non governmental organization was entered into the Charter of the UN Declaration on Human Rights in 1948, where the Economic and Social Council was directed to coordinate

• 22:21Speaker 01

  everything it did with with NGOs. And that's that's really the sort of etymology of that term in terms of its explosion is when the UN codified that term. And that's what essentially set off this NGO arms race, this proliferation of cells within American statecraft, the American business community, within the American intelligence community, the national security community, to each create their own cellular circuitry in order to advance their interests. And I can get sort of deeper into that story. If you'd like, I can just take it from history there to there to present.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  But I feel remiss if I didn't also note that there's a government and there's a business side of it. And the thing that I think a lot of people are missing in this story and the attempt to take on the rogue elements of the NGO Plex is that. Last time we talked, I it was right after USAID had been announced its closure. And I I took what a lot of people, I think, thought was a somber tone on that, that I was. Celebrating its shutdown, but I was braced for impact about the ramifications of this and how it might play out. And I think I use the term that, you know, this is necessary

• 23:46Speaker 01

  to do this open heart surgery. We also have to ensure that the patient doesn't die on the operating table. Just because it's the right diagnosis doesn't mean, you know, you can set it and forget it. If you don't midwife the process diligently, you could kill the entire American empire. And I bring up that point here because it's not just American intelligence and American statecraft and, you know, the State Department, the DOD, the CIA. It's also virtually every single major international corporation that we consider to be American that is wrapped up in this NGO plex. And if you, and I can go through

• 24:30Speaker 01

  examples of how that manifests, but I can't think of a single industry on that's domiciled in America that people think of as great American companies that is not deeply connected to the NGO plex and in some respects dependent on the NGO plex to secure their markets, to secure their profitability, to secure their revenues, to secure their interests. And while we are taking on the NGO plex, there's also this, and now they're going to make their voices heard through lobbying, through pressuring Congress. And this is

• 25:14Speaker 01

  what we're seeing. The Congress is now looking like they're not going to codify these Doge cuts. We saw 26, I think, Republican members of Congress who are saying they're not going to approve the Doge cuts around USAID. But a lot of this is, I think, to find the solution that is politically possible, you have to understand, I guess, how the whole ecosystem works in order to provide, offer solutions that might have political viability, if that makes sense.

• 25:46Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, of course it does.

• 25:49Tucker Carlson?

  So non-governmental is actually a sort of misleading description because they're paragovernmental, it sounds like.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 25:56Tucker Carlson?

  You know, they're not, I mean, we're led to believe they're like, you know, Doctors Without Borders or whatever, you know, that which I'm not against for the record, but like whatever the famous NGO is going into South Sudan to save people, they're acting totally independent, they're non-governmental, but that, as you just described so capably, that, uh, that's a lie.

• 26:18Speaker 01

  Well, this sort of gets down to the stem cell concept and what type of NGO cell type you're talking about. I'll give you a couple of examples. So there are these paragovernmental ones, like take, for example, the Open Society Foundation, started in 1979. According to George Soros, it was to provide a basically a tax loophole for his kids. That was the idea that he said. And then it quickly became wrapped up with the US State Department, operating in all of the major Cold War hubs, especially in Eastern Europe, and fomenting the turnover of those governments so that they would break away from the Soviet Union and join, join

• 26:59Speaker 01

  the US and Hungary, Romania, Poland, you know, the whole, the whole litany. And meanwhile, he was running the, the, you know, the Quantum Fund and his George Soros Management Fund that was speculating on the foreign currencies of all these governments. So while he's working with the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency and every US Embassy and every country in Eastern Europe, and using this foundation, this, this network to influence the course of those events so that their governments would flip, he's using his hedge fund to speculate way before anyone knows that this is, this movement is even

• 27:43Speaker 01

  being cultivated by the State Department and by his own nonprofits. He's speculating on the, the direction of those currencies. So he's got insider trading knowledge of everything that's going to happen in these countries while he's betting on it, sort of like the Nancy Pelosi stock, you know, tracker type, type of thing. But by, by the 1990s, the Open Society Foundation had become such a powerful force in Washington.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  That Bill Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, I think it was Strobe Talbot, who said, "We think of the Open Society Foundation as being a independent but allied partner country like the UK or France or Germany. And so we work closely with the Open Society Foundation. We consider them an ally, but we have to synchronize US foreign policy with the foreign policy set out by the Open Society Foundation." This is a quote, everyone can look this up. It's on my timeline on X. But so this is in the 1990s, 30 years

• 28:52Speaker 01

  ago at this point. US foreign policy is being synchronized with the George Soros policy recommendations. And a lot of this is because it's not just that George Soros is the largest donor to the Democrat Party. And, you know, Bill Clinton was obviously the Democrat President. George Soros, you know, provided two and a half times more than any other single individual to the Democrats in the last election cycle. But it's that-

• 29:19Tucker Carlson?

  In this, just this last election?

• 29:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, for Joe Biden, $100 million. I think the second largest was 40.

• 29:24Tucker Carlson?

  That's crazy.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. And although that may be the 2020 election, actually, that I'm referring to with those numbers, because I think those were the numbers in 2024, pre-election. So that may have been the 2020 election cycle. But I'm sure it's comparable for 2024. But so the other part of it, though, is that the Soros Foundation, so it drafts off of those policies. And I can give you some crazy examples of this. In Mongolia is a particularly perfect example of this. But we'll come back to that in a sec. So it's not just that Soros

• 30:05Speaker 01

  donates to the political candidates who's running for president, who's running for Attorney General, or who's running for District Attorney. It's that the Soros Foundation is also a co-investor and a co-sponsor in government initiatives and government projects. At USAID, you will frequently find, almost constantly find, that the Open Society Foundation is a donor into USAID initiatives, a donor into State Department initiatives.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  And this is what you frequently see when a government agency cannot get sufficient funds allocated from Congress. They need to reach into the NGO sphere or into the private sector with multinational companies to effectively cosponsor and provide the top up capital to get the amount of money they need to run this operation.

• 31:01Tucker Carlson?

  That's legal?

• 31:03Speaker 01

  Not only is it-

• 31:04Tucker Carlson?

  Can I just fund a war if I want? Can I just like send a check to the Pentagon to buy more bomb? I mean, I can, we can have privately funded government?

• 31:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, we've had it since the banana wars. We've, you know, we've, we've had, uh, we've had this relationship for-

• 31:18Tucker Carlson?

  In Honduras?

• 31:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, Honduras, Guatemala. This is, this has been a constant feature of American statecraft, uh, you know, almost since the beginning, which is that you have a, you have a government national security interest or a government commercial national interest. But then you also have the profiteers of those, of that government action in the private sector, in the for-profit space, and also at the NGO layer to the extent that they're getting funded to do this work or it satisfies the, the wants of the sponsors of the NGOs. So, and this is what War is a Racket was about. If, you know, the Smedley Butler 1936, you know, book about how, you know, all of the

• 32:04Speaker 01

  major multinational corporations were on the take for World War I. All of them were on the take for, you know, when he's talking about how he toppled governments in South America for, um, you know, uh, what was it? City National Bank-

• 32:19Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  And, uh, you know, the, the petroleum companies and-

• 32:22Tucker Carlson?

  United Fruit.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  United Fruit and, you know, the-

• 32:25Tucker Carlson?

  But may I ask, I mean, uh, yes, I mean, of course I knew that, I read it, but I didn't understand that they are not only the beneficiaries of these policies, but also the funders of the policies.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 32:37Tucker Carlson?

  So, but that, the problem with that conceptually is that it puts, it's all beyond democratic control. There's no, I mean, that's like, there's no way to vote out, you know, whoever, George Soros or Larry Fink or whatever, there's just kind of, right?

• 32:54Speaker 01

  Right. Well, it's a tectonic plate. It's, it's something that shapes the fabric of what we consider democracy to be. And it's, and I think arming-

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Everyone in America with the with the knowledge of that topography can shape the kinds of democratic action that you propose. Give you an example. I mean, this was just yesterday. The nation of El Salvador announced a 30% tax on every on all foreign funding of domestic NGOs within El Salvador. This is a shot heard round the world. There have been many attempts by countries to contain the NGO Plex.

• 33:36Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, most famously in Hungary.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  Hungary, Slovakia, Serbia. Every time they've been confronted with street protests and attempts to pressure the parliament using civil disobedience and these same sort of State Department, USAID, Soros Foundation type renter riots. We saw that in Slovakia, Serbia. In Hungary, when they passed their NGO transparency bill, it was blocked by the EU. The EU intervened and said that you cannot enforce this NGO transparency law because.

• 34:13Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 34:14Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. And they threatened to cut them off of EU funding if they.

• 34:19Tucker Carlson?

  Hungarians aren't allowed to know where the money's coming from into their own country?

• 34:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. They called it the Russian law, by the way.

• 34:25Tucker Carlson?

  The Russia law?

• 34:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:28Tucker Carlson?

  It's bad, therefore it's Russian?

• 34:30Speaker 01

  Well, the idea was Russia had banned USAID, had banned the National Endowment for Democracy a few, I think in 2015 around then. This is after the Pussy Riot incident. You know, this is sort of a little bit pre Navalny, when they, when the regime change was sort of from the right wing nationalist side, we attempted a sort of left wing, you know, left wing Antifa type coup in Russia through, you know, the whole Pussy Riot and associated.

• 35:01Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that wasn't like an organic artistic expression, is what you're saying?

• 35:06Speaker 01

  I mean, you can look up online, the lead singer's pictures with Tony Blinken and standing at the State Department podium and all the National Endowment for Democracy literature on it and the USAID, everything. Just look up USAID.

• 35:24Tucker Carlson?

  That wasn't just like an especially empowering form of feminism?

• 35:30Speaker 01

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• 37:48Speaker 01

  But what happened was is after all this stuff, they, Russia passed this, you know, basically banned, you know, foreign NGOs or at least banned a huge subset and required all these, you know, this transparency around it and they banned USAID and NED. And so when Hungary and Slovakia and Serbia and all these Eastern European countries who were in the post Soviet orbit tried to pass transparency laws so that they could get a sense of how much of their own civil society cellular body was actually foreign assets of a foreign government.

• 38:29Speaker 01

  This was called, these were referred to as Russian laws, the Russian law because Russia had done this. But think about this.

• 38:38Tucker Carlson?

  This is so insane.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  I don't. But, but think about that framing. And you see, and you can check, check out these protests online. They're hilarious. It's, it's people protesting in the streets so that they are not allowed to know foreign funding of their own societies. I demand, I will, I, I am not allowed to know, put the blind folders on me. I'm not allowed to know that whether the newspapers I read, whether the union I'm a part of, whether the lawyers association I'm a part of, whether the, the private company that pays my paycheck, whether the public health sector, my hospitals, whether that is funded by a foreign government and how much, how much is funding.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  And, you know, the Russians are not complaining about that because the money is not coming largely from, if, if the money was largely coming from the Russians, the EU and the US State Department would be demanding this. We have this in the United States. It's called a FARA registration, the Foreign Agents Registration Act. We consider that to be a criminal violation where you can spend five years in jail if you. If you don't file a foreign registration, but if Hungary or Serbia or Slovakia tries to pass a Foreign Agent Registrations Act law there, we call that an attack on democracy. Why? Because it reveals, it takes the mask off of the NGO-plex and reflects and shows

• 40:06Speaker 01

  to the people what it really is. It is the long arm of US intelligence, it is the long arm of US statecraft, and is the long arm of that corporate financial donor drafter class with all of their own secular privacy.

• 40:21Tucker Carlson?

  If I could just interject and say, you know, what I find so infuriating is that none of this helps the America that I live in or want to live in. I mean, a lot of the agendas being pushed are not just like, you know, we want to grow our bananas in your banana favorable climate, or we want cheaper coffee, or, you know, we want your oil fields. It's like pushing stuff that is just terrible, like awful, like you're blowing up families, attacking Christianity. It's like, why does it have to be that too? Why that agenda?

• 40:52Speaker 01

  This is where it gets really complicated. The idea behind this positive synergy between the corporate-sponsored NGOs and the government-sponsored NGOs and them all working together as a common blob was that if we secure American business in a country, American contracts, American rights to minerals, or American rights to mines, we're boxing out the Russians and the Chinese.

• 41:26Tucker Carlson?

  I get it. That's not a crazy goal, by the way.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  It's not a crazy goal. And that, however, gives a license to some of the dirtiest stuff. And this total profiteering, especially because the multinational corporations have no, we're still living in Milton Friedman land. And this is something, Milton Friedman was a huge influence on me as a kid, huge, huge, huge. I watched

• 41:52Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, me too.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  All 10 hours of Free to Choose. I think he's an incredibly

• 42:00Speaker 01

  I think he's a high integrity guy and he means what he says, but I think he fooled a lot of conservatives with this concept of maximizing total shareholder value, which is now codified effectively into our corporate law that you have a

• 42:16Tucker Carlson?

  It's the law.

• 42:18Speaker 01

  The law. You have a statutory, you have a duty to maximize total shareholder value. That does not mean value for Americans. When your markets are abroad and your labor is abroad and your factories are abroad, but you are getting billions of dollars from the US government to advance your own private interests and you are toppling many solid parts of the world order to do so. You're overthrowing governments, you're bribing media, you're controlling organized crime groups and conflict zones and all narco trafficking,

• 42:58Speaker 01

  all the dirty work that goes into making the sausage in a lot of these countries. It's not trickling down, per Ronald Reagan, to the people that live there. These companies all got extremely rich while the heartland turned into the Rust Belt.

• 43:16Tucker Carlson?

  That's right.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  And, you know, so to me, it's no surprise when you see that John Bolton on Piers Morgan held up his USAID hand grenade when he was the head of USAID policy and budget under Ronald Reagan. He showed this a few months ago on Piers Morgan, that is parting gift from USAID after he left running the policy and budget there. John Bolton, humanitarian assistance guy, was a USAID hand grenade. That was the parting gift they gave him, a golden hand grenade with his name engraved in it. But that is

• 43:51Tucker Carlson?

  And what did that imply? That he was trying to blow up USAID or that he was, that they're in fact using

• 43:58Speaker 01

  I think the idea was that, you know, they are hard charging about it, I think. But, you know, what it represents to me is this development defense. You know, they call it the three Ds, the diplomacy, defense, development. The idea that USAID is absolutely critical to US military operations. It's absolutely critical to US diplomatic operations. It's absolutely critical to US intelligence operations, which supports the diplomacy and defense. And so, you know, while you're masquerading as this humanitarian NGO sponsor, you're the embodiment of the hand grenade. And that, to me, you know, that's a Reaganite philosophy that we're fighting the ghost of.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  This idea that you deserve a slot within this government apparatus, US government apparatus, when you are not representing the interests of the United States. Or at least, there are no conditions on it. There's no bounds on it, other than you need to be in the good graces of that government. For example, the US Embassy in Brasilia did nothing to stop Brazil's attack on X or Brazil's seizure of assets from Starling.

• 45:13Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. That's exactly right.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  But this goes back a really long time.

• 45:17Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, Gonzalo Alire, as a US citizen, was murdered by the Ukrainian government and, like, nobody said a word about it. The US Ambassador to Ukraine didn't say a word. None of the million NGOs populated by Americans in Ukraine said a word. Like, I don't see how they're on the side of America at all.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  Right. Right. Well, the Soros example is really interesting. Can I share a few anecdotes?

• 45:41Tucker Carlson?

  Gosh, I hope you will.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  So, when I went into the WikiLeaks archive to look at all the State Department cables that referenced George Soros, or the Open Society Foundation, or any of its associated groups, the Open Society Institution, the Open Society Forum, I was surprised when I saw the communications in the State Department cables start in 1973, because the Open Society Foundation did not start until 1979.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  And when I looked at the State Department cables, they were all related to Soros Associates, which was the firm operated by George Soros's older brother, Paul Soros, who is, according to his New York Times obituary, one of the greatest titans of the shipping and port and infrastructure development world. And Paul Soros is all over these State Department cables in tons of countries, Gabon, Iran. Remember, this is pre-1970, this is, you know.

• 46:53Tucker Carlson?

  Pre-revolution, yeah.

• 46:54Speaker 01

  And so, so the State Department is working with Soros Associates, Paul Soros, in order to secure contracts for him, in order to secure favorable loan terms to foreign governments, and in order to intervene on the bidding process for port construction, for lucrative port deals. I think one in Gabon was, I think, like, I think it was like a 700 million to a billion dollar port project, you know, huge money for Gabon, a project in Gabon in the early 1970s. And one of these cables, State Department cables, is really

• 47:38Speaker 01

  interesting. It's the US Embassy there, and they are talking about how three senior executives from Brown and Root are going to be coming to Gabon that week and are looking to have arrangements made to meet with, I think, the president of the country and other influential leaders in government and in civil society, and for the embassy to arrange everything from their travel to their hotel, to introducing them to all the senior leaders in the country.

• 48:16Speaker 01

  Brown and Root was working together with Soros and Associates on this port project, and they were bidding against other foreign infrastructure development companies from other countries. And one of the cables basically suggests that the embassy should relay back to Soros and Brown and Root the status of the bid going to them and anything favorable that can be done to nudge that contract going to Brown and Root and Soros. Now, what's interesting about this is a few things.

• 48:58Speaker 01

  So, this is the example of what you were talking about, which is, we're doing this because we want to stop, you know, there's a big fight over Africa with the Russians and with the Chinese all throughout the Cold War. You know, a lot of Africa had sided with Russia, and the Russian communism was seen as an egalitarian counterweight to a sort of racist United States, and there was a big diplomacy push there. So, getting Brown and Root and Soros to control the infrastructure in the country and to get those contracts and to get the proceeds and remits was advancing US interests, under US national security and US national interests, which means there's a State Department interest

• 49:40Speaker 01

  in doing favors for Soros and Brown and Root. Now, Brown and Root, which would later become Halliburton, or Brown and Root is, I guess, Halliburton, I guess, acquired Brown and Root.

• 49:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, Calhoun Brown and Root.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  Yes, right. Which, of course, is, you know, Dick Cheney was the, I think, CEO and President. And Brown and Root, in the JFK files, it was very interesting.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  The ones that were declassified just a few months ago by Tulsi Gabbard, they have a whole section on the CIA's, all the CIA influence nodes over Brown and Root. And it was fascinating. I believe both Brown Senior and Junior held covert security clearances with the Central Intelligence Agency. There's a memo in these new unredacted JFK files. And it was a CIA internal fact check, a crisis communications, how do we respond to this new piece in Ramparts Magazine called Brown and Root's CIA Dimensions?

• 50:52Speaker 01

  And, you know, so this is the Houston Republican CIA power base. This has been the big power base of the Republican Party for almost 100 years now. This oil, giant oil. Yes, exactly.

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• 53:15Speaker 01

  And so Ramparts writes this piece and it accuses this, the CIA of running this vast network through the petroleum industry and through a web of NGOs and, and trade associations all over Houston. And, and it focuses on this Brown and Root network because Brown and Root also had something called the Brown Found, the Brown Foundation, which was a, you know, a corporate sponsored NGO. And in this, they actually reveal that both Brown Senior and Brown Junior had covert security clearances for work with the Central Intelligence Agency.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  So while you have, you know, one of the world's premier infrastructure and development firms, which would later, you know, be going to work, you know, with Soros in Africa and then would later spawn Vice President Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney, who started off her career in USAID and comes from that same, um, you know, Halliburton, Brown and Root lineage. They direct ties all over the CIA.

• 54:25Speaker 01

  And I guess I bring this up to say that in addition to that, you had this web of adjacent NGOs around statecraft there. So for example, in that same files, again, the CIA is doing an internal fact check in this memo, where they say Ramparts has accused all of these people of being CIA. And it's a memo, I think, to the, one of the local directors saying, here's, we've reviewed the files. Here's what's true and false about the Ramparts article. And in one of these, they describe something called the Vernon Fund, which was a private philanthropy. Well, it was created by the Central Intelligence Agency to look to the public like a private

• 55:06Speaker 01

  foundation. And it was set up to fund the webs of teachers' unions all throughout the world. They sponsor something called the World Confederation of Organizations of the Teaching Profession. The CIA was running a initiative at the time to control the education space during the Cold War to stop the spread of communist teachings, or communist sympathizing teachings and curricula, especially in Cold War conflict zones all over Europe, all over Africa, all over Latin America. And so to do that, to control, to make sure that students

• 55:51Speaker 01

  and young people and every person in society who comes up through the education system is ideologically aligned against communism, they had to control the teachers' unions and what was being taught, what was being promoted. And I bring this up, again, I hate communism, but all this was repurposed against right wing populism when Trump won in 2016. Noticed. Because instead of this same blob being threatened from its communist socialist left, it was being threatened from its populist nationalist right. But so the CIA, so in this memo, the CIA says, yeah, they're right about the Vernon Fund. Ramparts is right. That was ours. We set it up to look like a private philanthropy. We recruited the daughter of the Texas

• 56:34Speaker 01

  Governor to bundle money to the World Confederation of Organizations of the Teaching Profession in order to influence the National Education Association and create, I think it was like 140 different trade associations that they all work through. Now, the National Education Association is the largest of the Teaching Union Associations, and the World Confederation of Organizations of the Teaching Profession is still around today. It's called Education International. They rebranded the name, but it's the same organization. And by the way, in these CIA files, they explicitly say, "The President of the World Confederation of Organizations of the Teaching Profession is, has a CIA covert clearance to do this

• 57:16Speaker 01

  work, the treasurer, the executive secretary." So, the thing is funded by the CIA, by a NGO that was actually created by the CIA. The senior leadership of the trade association doing the work are CIA at every part of the layer. But how many people in Education International, how many teachers in that union, you think, know that story? How many fifth grade teachers? How many administrators at the union level? How many people in the schools know that? So, when you see Education International today, come out in Germany, because it branches in every country, in Germany, Education International's come out

• 57:56Speaker 01

  and said, "AFD, no one affiliated with AFD should be allowed to be a teacher in Germany." And they petitioned the German government to not allow AFD at any of the-

• 58:07Tucker Carlson?

  You can't have a job if you vote for the party.

• 58:09Speaker 01

  Right. But this is exactly what our CIA has been calling for, because AFD has been trying to revive the Nord Stream pipeline and trying to restore relations with Russia. So, from the national security, you know, side of this, there's a predicate to say, "Yeah, we're authorized to run this operation." But what do you do there? Now, you've got the AFD, which is the most popular party in Germany, right now, in polling. It's got, I think, 26%. They doubled their votes in the recent election, but since then, polling shows that they are now the most popular party in Germany. They were declared an extremist organization by their own national security state,

• 58:53Speaker 01

  which is effectively our national security state. We gave birth to Germany as a unified country in the 1990s and midwifed its entire intelligence apparatus. The center of US intelligence in the Cold War was in Germany. And so you have this, this blob interest in banning AFD. The, the German government declares the most popular party in the country an extremist group. If the definition of extreme is that it is a departure from what's popular. And so by its very definition, it's, it's a contradiction is what I'm getting

• 59:35Speaker 01

  at there. But that, and thank God for Marco Rubio and Senator, and Senator Tom Cotton, to his credit, was fantastic on this. He directing, he in Tulsi Gabbard, I think, directed Tulsi Gabbard at ODNI to threaten to not, to discontinue intelligence sharing with German intelligence for this domestic surveillance because this extremist label allowed the German government to spy on every member of the AFD as if they were Al Qaeda. And so because of US diplomatic pressure from our State Department, our ODNI, our Congress,

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  Germany has temporarily put that in the enforcement of their surveillance dimension on pause. But what I'm getting at is this is, this is a CIA proprietary, Education International, who's doing active work to do exactly what the Bill Burns CIA, the John Brennan CIA wants done in Germany. And of course, who was the US ambassador to Germany while this all played out with the Nord Stream pipeline blowing up? It was Amy Gutman, my dean at the University of Pennsylvania. Amy Gutman, when I, when I was there 20 years ago, she was the dean then, then she became the US ambassador to Germany. I had the State

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  Department in Germany during the Biden administration. And meanwhile, what's the University of Pennsylvania doing? It's housing the Penn Biden Center, which is this major foreign policy coordinating node.

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  At the university layer, again, universities are just super NGOs. The universities will organize the international exchanges of ideas with civil society in all these foreign countries. They will produce the white papers that get picked up by the media. They will liaise with, meet with governing officials to advise on economic policy, don't you know, in the region. You know, this is the whole Jeffrey Sachs Harvard Institute of International Development.

• 1:01:38Tucker Carlson?

  And it's all tax free. That's, that's the part that, I mean, I, because you began this history of the NGO, and thank you for doing it, with reference to the tax code, the introduction of the income tax in 1913, and then the tax exempt statutes of 1917, right in the middle of the First World War, not surprisingly. But like, isn't the whole idea of it, my understanding of a 501(c)(3), well, I know because I ran one, the idea is that this helps America. We're encouraging charity. But you're describing nonprofits that are arms of the intel community or, you know, working to increase profit to American businesses that may not actually really be American. A publicly traded company is not American.

• 1:02:22Tucker Carlson?

  It's owned by the sovereign wealth funds of nine different countries. You know, it's like, the whole thing is fake. So what in 2025 is the justification for continuing to subsidize these? Because, I mean, a tax exemption is a subsidy. In effect, someone's got to run the government, someone's got to fund the patent office. If it's not you, it's going to be me. So, but why should we subsidize these things?

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  They get three reasons. National security, national interest, and securing export markets. And, and, you know, the idea is, is what does America look like if we don't do this? We're in a competition right now with Huawei in the, in the telecom space, in the IT infrastructure space.

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  Major State Department initiatives to try to get neutral third-party governments to do away with Huawei and sign up with AT&T, or if not that, other kind of 5G light providers like LG and Nokia in Finland and South Korea to so that at least it's not China Huawei. And there's lots of reasons given for this, but the idea is, is if you can, if you can get AT&T to get those contracts, well, AT&T is an American company and this will help American GDP and this will help American jobs. And so like a great example, this is

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  what just happened in Syria. So there's been this big fight over this, this group, the, well, also Syria has, we just lifted sanctions on Syria.

• 1:04:03Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, last month.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  Yes. Mohammed Al-Jalani, the ISIS commander, turned Al Qaeda commander, turned Idlib, you know, rebel, moderate rebel leader, you know, who, who became, you know, the de facto head of state in Syria.

• 1:04:22Tucker Carlson?

  Now, meeting with the US president.

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  Yes, meeting, yes, meeting with the US president, meeting with every, every major world leader. The US just declared that we're lifting sanctions on, on Syria after Syria pledged to open up its market, to basically use US and Western companies and contractors for its services rather than Russian or Chinese ones. So for example, one of the pledges was to use AT&T for its wireless and telecom services rather than Huawei.

• 1:04:56Tucker Carlson?

  Where are they going to buy their pagers?

• 1:05:02Tucker Carlson?

  It's all it's and yeah, it goes without saying that when you know, the State Department lobbies to allow AT&T to do your your wireless infrastructure that you know that we're monitoring it, of course.

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  Right, but you can see how like, what would America look like if AT&T's now there's, I think, what 25 million people or so in in Syria. So AT&T has just secured 25 million customers effectively.

• 1:05:31Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:05:32Speaker 01

  At the at the, you know, barrel of a gun effectively with the they've drafted off of the US Defense Department who funded.

• 1:05:44Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 1:05:45Speaker 01

  The paramilitaries in Syria. They've drafted off of USAID and the billions we funneled into Syria. They've drafted off of State Department diplomacy on their behalf. And, you know, a great example of this is.

• 1:05:58Tucker Carlson?

  Let me just say, I mean, I, well, I definitely don't think that the ISIS guy is in any real sense better than Bashar al-Assad. You know, the ophthalmologist, that's just my opinion. I don't think that we should be friends with the ISIS guy or the Al Qaeda guy after they murdered 3,000 Americans. Like, I don't understand that. Or I do understand it, but it has nothing to do with the United States. So that bothers me. On the other hand, since we are doing that, I think it's great that AT&T's getting the contract. I don't have a problem with that. And what you're describing is a pretty conventional process where the US State Department, White House, and DOD all kind of combine forces to help American business abroad. Great.

• 1:06:39Tucker Carlson?

  In general, great. I don't like the constellation, the mushy constellation of quote nonprofits that operate in a very shadowy way. Like, why do we need them for this?

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  Let's stick with the Syria example for a second.

• 1:06:56Tucker Carlson?

  Okay.

• 1:06:57Speaker 01

  And go over one of the shadiest of the nonprofits, which is the US Institute of Peace. The US Institute of Peace.

• 1:07:06Tucker Carlson?

  By the way, if you fly into DC, into National Airport, Reagan National Airport, which is like the closest airport to any city in America, it's right there, right across the river. And you come in from the north, you fly directly over the US Institute of Peace. And it's a kind of clamshell, it's a beautiful building, it's a modern building, which was probably the only pretty modern building in Washington. And you think to yourself, what the hell is that? And where'd they get the money? What is that?

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  Well, international peace is a funny, peace and international peace is a funny history with US intelligence work. In the JFK files, for example, in the recent declassifications, it showed a group that the CIA infiltrated and directed called the Catholic Association of International Peace. And there are all these files that show that, yes, we have our assets in here and they're doing this for this. The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, not the Catholic Association of International Peace, but second international peace, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, was run from 2014 to 2021 by Bill Burns, the guy who would leave

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace to run the Central Intelligence Agency. What qualifies you as running the Endowment for International Peace as your very next job? You hadn't worked in government for seven years. You were cold. What were you, he had never worked at the CIA formally. He was in the political affairs section, which according to the JFK files, 47% of every person in the political affairs section in 1961 was not actually working in the State Department political section. They were actually called confidential American sources, which is the term for.

• 1:08:54Speaker 01

  CIA agents operating under diplomatic cover saying they work for the state.

• 1:08:58Tucker Carlson?

  That's still the case today. It's a joke in DC. What's your dad do? Oh, he works at the State Department. Oh, okay.

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, people say that about me. Yeah, I don't blame them for thinking it. I mean, it's so pervasive. And of course, who was the head of political affairs for the Biden administration? Victoria Nuland. Yeah, you know, and who would then go on to, you know, be on the board of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is another group that was spun out in 1983 by the Reagan administration when they were trying to get the CIA's old powers back, but the Democrats in Congress were blocking that because of the CIA's work against the anti-war faction in the Democrat Party during the 60s and 70s. So in 1983, Reagan creates NED. 1984, they create the US Institute of Peace. The US Institute of

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  Peace has had this crazy showdown with the US federal government recently, and it's an unbelievable drama that's been unfolding now for several months. So the US Institute of Peace was, you know, was chartered by Congress in 1984 in order to do, it was sort of a, think of it like the National Endowment for Democracy, but, but more.

• 1:10:08Tucker Carlson?

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• 1:12:19Speaker 01

  Well, you know, the quote by the National Endowment for Democracy founder, I believe in 1986, in the New York Times, was that it was, it would be terrible for groups to be seen as subsidized by the Central Intelligence Agency. We saw that happen in the 1960s where it was revealed groups were funded by the CIA and it caused embarrassment. That's why the endowment was created. It's literally a direct quote saying that the endowment was created to fund the groups that it would be embarrassing for them to, for it to be publicly revealed that they got CIA funding. And of course, it was conceived in the office of Reagan's CIA. William Casey and Raymond Green, there's a whole CIA backstory to that, the whole Ned thing. But in 1984, another layer of...

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  Gongo, you know, so the US Institute of Peace was set up to be, to be a national demand for democracy, but really focused on conflict zones and those, whereas national demand for democracy operates everywhere. They'll operate in, you know, very heavily in Hungary or, um, you know, Brazil, places where there's not real dark, you know, um, terrorist conflict or, or hyperactive DOD operations, for example. So they, in those places, it's a, it's a different track of influence for the NGOs because they're working

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  with these communities in these, they're working with the farmers where the, the cocoa leaves or cocaine are being grown. They're working, uh, you know, they're, they're working, you mentioned coffee. USAID has spent hundreds of millions of dollars, uh, uh, on the coffee trade sector. And USAID, uh, does all this joint work with Starbucks, all this joint work with Keurig. They operate in conflict zones in the drug zones in Colombia, in Peru, the Central African Republic, um, Sudan. And that, what they're doing here

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  is, sorry, they're, well, I got distracted by the coffee thought. Sorry. Um, what the US Institute of Peace is doing is they're building giant networks and serving as a back channel diplomacy. They're doing field work. So they are, you know, if you're in Foggy Bottom or Langley, Virginia, if you want to know what's happening on the ground in Syria, you need the people in the field to report it to you. You need either the US Embassy or you need the NGOs connected to the embassy to provide the field work. Uh, we want to know, um, what is happening economically in this region, which is the

• 1:15:08Speaker 01

  economic, you know, uh, breadbasket that's supporting the US military operations or the mercenary troops so that we can keep them funded. We want to keep the industry in Afghanistan going, the industry in Syria in these sections. So the US Institute of Peace will do those surveys, they'll work with the local populations, they'll build giant networks and

• 1:15:30Speaker 01

  Uh, you know, in June 2023, the US Institute of Peace, um, after the Taliban took over Afghanistan, they wrote a piece called "Why the Taliban's Successful Opium Ban Is Bad For Afghanistan And Bad For The World." And they openly called on the Taliban.

• 1:15:49Tucker Carlson?

  We're not getting enough opium.

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:15:51Tucker Carlson?

  Mike, it's a problem.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  Right, but the opium was funding the entire paramilitary network in Syria. You know, everyone says, oh, ISIS traffics in drugs, uh, Al Qaeda traffics in drugs. Well, guess what? ISIS and Al Qaeda, uh, with the, with the full backing of the Biden government, just successfully overthrew the Biden administration's top enemy in the region. And, uh, now have opened up all their markets to Chevron and AT&T and, um, what I'm saying is, is they were openly, this same group that is working with these Taliban

• 1:16:33Speaker 01

  networks and these Afghan special forces and is deeply, deeply involved in Syria, is openly calling, and, and this is not, they got busted paying these Taliban officials when, when Trump tried to assert control over the US Institute of Peace because it's chartered by Congress, it has 15 members of its board. Three of them are mandatory. The Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, and the President of the National Defense University are three reserve spots. So think about this, it's the US Institute of Peace, but required on the board is the Secretary of War, the, the head of the, uh, the War Institute and, uh, the Secretary of State. And then there are 12 political appointee spots.

• 1:17:17Speaker 01

  Now, the Trump administration tried to assert control over the US Institute of Peace as it is statutorily entitled to do. And the response from the US Institute of Peace was to barricade the doors to delete, uh, Doge said a terabyte worth of financial data, which Doge says it recovered and showed payments to those very Taliban networks that they were saying, keep the drugs flowing. And so evidently, according to the Doge team, they found weapons caches inside, like a full military, you know.

• 1:17:50Tucker Carlson?

  They found weapons inside the Institute of Peace?

• 1:17:53Speaker 01

  That was what Doge reported.

• 1:17:54Tucker Carlson?

  We're back to Orwell now.

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:17:56Tucker Carlson?

  The peace people are stockpiling weapons.

• 1:17:59Speaker 01

  But recently, so this has gone through the courts because, you know, the whole blob resistance has been trying to stop all these shutdowns at every layer. The outside general counsel for the US Institute of Peace has, he has been the outside general counsel for, since 1986, just two years. So the guy who's the head lawyer there has been the head lawyer there since just two years after it was founded, since the mid 1980s. So has been, you know, midwifing the legal dark, dark arts of this thing since almost the day it was born.

• 1:18:44Speaker 01

  And he's the one who I believe has spearheaded or been leading this lawsuit to stop the federal governments, because the Trump administration cleared the board. The US Institute of Peace would not even allow the Trump-appointed board members or its president to even go in the building. That's why the federal police had to, the FBI had to come in. But what happened was is that same lawyer also happens to represent the Wireless Trade Association in the US and AT&T and that whole network. So while they are working for regime change in Syria, while the US Institute of Peace

• 1:19:26Speaker 01

  is taking US taxpayer money, 55 million a year, to build up this network of paramilitary groups and, you know, all these economic assistance programs and midwifing the political negotiations and creating a unified cohesive block against the Assad government in Syria.

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  With US Institute of Peace funds, the same lawyer who's now successfully sued because Judge Beryl Howe blocked the Trump administration's attempt now, now we're back to square one with that, he simultaneously is representing the Wireless Trade Association where Syria just, you know, turned over its IT infrastructure to AT&T. So, I mean, just think about that. You've got, you've got the US Institute of Peace organizing this regime change in Syria, including using, you know, these narco-traffic drugs while calling for the narco-networks to keep going. And simultaneously, the, you know, the senior executives effectively,

• 1:20:32Speaker 01

  I know he's senior, he's top outside counsel, but the senior executives effectively are representing the companies, they're the direct beneficiaries of this regime change action. So it doesn't matter if it's good for US national security or US national interest to topple Bashar al-Assad, because they have a fundamentally unique and singular benefit, whether it's good for us or not, which is that they get rich from it.

• 1:20:52Tucker Carlson?

  I remember reading about the fascists, and one of the, one of the criticisms that I thought really resonated was they eliminated the difference between the state and, you know, they were, they were socialists, truly, and in Germany and in Italy, and there was, you couldn't tell where the German government ended and Krupps began, and you know what I mean? And that's bad. I thought it was bad then, I think it's bad now, and I hate to see it happen here.

• 1:21:17Speaker 01

  Well, it's funny you say that, because last week at the Council on Foreign Relations, I think the panel was titled Reflections on the Post-Soviet Era and Implications for the Modern Day, it's Council on Foreign Relations, and one of the questions asked the panelists directly was...

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  There was a deep state in Russia in the 1990s, these oligarchs.

• 1:21:42Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  And we lost control over Russia. They're basically analogizing Trump to Putin. And they're saying, we had, we had all this control. We had total control over Russia during the Boris Yeltsin period, and we had all these relationships with the Russian oligarchs. But then Putin had a natural advantage as being the head of state, was somehow able to take over the Russian deep state. And then we lost control over Russia.

• 1:22:10Tucker Carlson?

  This is, this is right. This is like the heart of it that nobody ever says. It's Putin's decision to decapitate the oligarchy. That's the reason they hate him.

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  Well, what they say is that he also co-opted it and got the oligarchy working for him rather than for outside.

• 1:22:30Tucker Carlson?

  And in the meantime, the Russian economy recovered and life expectancy went up and alcoholism went down and like it became a beautiful country. The oligarchy wasn't serving Russia. That's kind of the point.

• 1:22:39Speaker 01

  Well, and the punchline to this is, at the end of setting this question up, the guy at Council on Foreign Relations asks, so with those lessons, given that that's what happened with Putin, how can we preserve the deep state against Trump to save, so that the deep state can save us?

• 1:22:57Tucker Carlson?

  This is sick.

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  And.

• 1:23:00Tucker Carlson?

  This is sick.

• 1:23:01Speaker 01

  But again, look at like, you know, Chubays and the Russian oligarchs that were working directly with the, with USAID in the Harvard Institute for International Development. And it's the same thing with, with Brown and Root, that story of Brown and Root and Soros in Gabon in the 1970s. It was the same thing in Russia there, where we justified because it was in US national security and national interests to make Russia a democracy and to privatize all their state-owned assets. USAID paid a half a billion dollars to the Harvard Institute for International Development. Again, another one of these universities that's delegated by the US government to go deeper into Russian society than the US government was, wanted to be seen doing.

• 1:23:45Speaker 01

  Very clever name, right? US Agency for International Development pays the Harvard Institute for International Development. It's just a Harvard spawn of USAID in order to work with Tuba's and all these, you know, Russian oligarchs so that the Russian oligarchs got rich selling at discount bargain basement prices, all these Russian state held assets.

• 1:24:09Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:24:10Speaker 01

  In non-competitive bids where only two outside bidders were allowed to participate. The Harvard Management Fund for the Harvard Endowment and the George Soros Quantum Fund.

• 1:24:20Tucker Carlson?

  So it's just looting. It's looting. And by the way, it really, the country, I mean, look at the numbers. Like, the life expectancy for men in Russia in, you know, 1996 was like 55. I mean, it was, it was awful, awful to do that to people. Like, what did your average Russian do wrong? You know, they lived through 70 years of communism and this is what you do to them once they're quote liberated? It's like, it's really a moral crime.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  And, and part of that issue is, is as they were driving our own country on a similar path.

• 1:24:54Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:24:55Speaker 01

  They expressed the exact same contempt that someone would try to do something to stop it. And the other thing is, is they fully acknowledged it was a deep state before Putin. They were just mad that they lost control of the deep state, which is why they were so, why a lot of these actions by the, the early Trump administration have terrified them around co-opting parts of the business community.

• 1:25:17Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  They hate, for example, Elon Musk. They made this whole campaign to drive Elon, you know, away or to go after Tesla. They, the reaction to Jeff Bezos, for example, and, you know, his posture around reorienting the Washington Post and sort of, the Bill Kristol class was apoplectic that these commercial drivers in the sort of...

• 1:25:40Speaker 01

  Business community, but really, these are, this is the private for-profit sector that they would go along with Trump's foreign policy agenda, with Trump's reforms, maybe to be in Trump's good graces. But the fact is, is that that state, which was such a powerful asset to them, they do not want that handed off to somebody who might oppose them. The same reason that they didn't want Matt Gaetz at the Justice Department. They weaponized that Justice Department under Merrick Garland. They don't want that baton handed off to someone else. It's not that they have a problem with corruption at the Justice Department. They want a monopoly on that corruption.

• 1:26:16Tucker Carlson?

  So you were describing the mobilization of, you know, all the various arms of the US government, but the NGO community against Russia. And I thought you made a really, really wise observation that too few make, that Putin's original sin wasn't really lusting after Poland. That's a lie. It was kicking out the oligarchs and taking control of his own country, which a lot of people hated in the West. So here's the part where I feel like the NGOs destabilized the United States. Like, the war against Russia has been waged for over 10 years now, really by the NGOs.

• 1:26:56Speaker 01

  Yes, completely. And, and they were, you know, as we discussed, they were authorized, deputized to do that. We talked about the Harvard, the Harvard Endowment, the Harvard Institute for International Development by the Open Society Foundation, which was simultaneously doing its civil society work, funding scientists, funding universities, funding the intellectual class, funding the students, and then simultaneously Soros is operating a hedge fund that is buying up the assets of the Russian government. And, and, you know,

• 1:27:33Tucker Carlson?

  It's unbelievable, of the failed Soviet state.

• 1:27:35Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. And this relationship is, I mentioned to you,

• 1:27:41Speaker 01

  Just now that there's a funny story about Soros in Mongolia and the State Department in Mongolia that is like almost the perfect encapsulation of this to see how this plays out in every country, whether whether it's Russia, or whether it's Poland, or whether it's Hungary, or you name it. But Mongolia had discovered in the early 2000s the world's largest copper mine. It's called the Uyo Tuigol Mine. And this was by far the biggest mine ever discovered in Mongolia. It's the biggest mine in the world, primarily copper,

• 1:28:23Speaker 01

  some gold, too. And a company called Ivanhoe went in to negotiate a deal for the rights over that mine in tandem with Mongolian government. And the US, so I found this in a State Department cable, looking up all the Soros and Open Society Foundation things. I believe the cable is from 2007. And it describes how this deal is, it could yield billions of billions of dollars and would could massively transform the entire Mongolian Mongolian economy. It could like double their entire GDP with a single mine. And how there

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  was an interest in making sure that this mine was acquired by Western companies rather than Chinese or Russian ones. And in the context of this, the State Department references the in the open a pivotal Open Society Foundation Mongolia memo that had caught fire in the Mongolian press and was weighing heavily on public conversation about whether or not the Mongolian government would sign this deal with with Ivanhoe with with this with the with the company for this. And the Soros Foundation writes, and the State Department backs this in this cable. They basically say, yes, this is all correct. You they should

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  have done this low. Basically, the Mongolian government wanted deal terms.

• 1:29:59Speaker 01

  And was about to pass something hastily in Parliament to secure a deal that the Open Society Foundation said was too extractive on behalf of the Mongolian government. That basically, the Mongolian government had problems with corruption. They also mentioned that the deal might have environmental impact in terms of the mine and its environmental impact on the ecosystem of Mongolia. And they give seven reasons in this memo that the Mongolian Parliament should not, has to be stopped from doing this deal on these terms. So this is a...

• 1:30:41Tucker Carlson?

  And can I just ask, the mine is in Mongolia?

• 1:30:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's in Mongolia.

• 1:30:45Tucker Carlson?

  And the Mongolian Parliament is the Mongolian government. So George Soros, who's from Hungary but has British and American citizenship, is telling the Mongolians they shouldn't be able to do what they want with their own mine?

• 1:30:56Speaker 01

  Maybe I'll start with the punchline first to make it more sense.

• 1:31:00Tucker Carlson?

  So, the presumption there is a bit much.

• 1:31:03Speaker 01

  The punchline is in 2009, George Soros Management Fund purchased an absolutely huge stake in that very company.

• 1:31:13Tucker Carlson?

  Come on.

• 1:31:14Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. It changed its name to Rio Tinto, but it was called Ivanhoe while it was negotiating this deal. Now, the Open Society Foundation, they published a 174-page document which went through everything they did inside of Mongolia to kill the deal in 2007. And what they described is that they networked with all these Mongolian members of Parliament. They used their media NGO, their nonprofit organizations, their advocacy groups, their environmental NGOs to argue that the deal should be killed on environmental grounds.

• 1:31:54Speaker 01

  And this culminated, and the Soros Foundation takes credit for its spawning street protests that destabilized the Mongolian government and incentivized Parliament, the Parliament to not...

• 1:32:09Speaker 01

  Not ink this deal. And again, the Soros Foundation logic was that it was too extractive on the part of the Mongolian government. The Mongolian government was getting too good a deal from this.

• 1:32:20Tucker Carlson?

  On their own mine, in their country.

• 1:32:22Speaker 01

  Yes, in their country.

• 1:32:23Tucker Carlson?

  And George Soros didn't own enough of it.

• 1:32:25Speaker 01

  So, so the US Embassy in Mongolia is working with the Soros Network. Now, they're doing it on national interest, national security grounds. They're saying, hey, if a Western company doesn't get this, China's right next door to Mongolia. They're big in the, you know, they're big in the minerals, the metals space. We don't want to lose this mine, the biggest copper mine in the world, to a Chinese competitor. We want to make sure a Western gets this deal. But the Open Society Foundation, which is underneath the, now, it's the nonprofit side of the Soros Management Fund. The not, the, the Open Society Foundation is saying,

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  hey, that, kill this deal because the company is not getting enough money out of this. And then, as soon as they kill that and get more profit secured for the, the mining company, the Soros Management Fund buys up the equity way before everybody else. You can read about this and, and that, that, no matter what happened with the mine, he, he would have like doubled his profit. I think it went from nine cents to 17 cents before a deal was even inked, or before they even got to a, one of the development stages of it, simply because everybody else hearing the news about this rushed into it. But Soros had already bought up the stock because his own NGOs were on the ground, midwifing the entire

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  process with the full force and credit of the US government driving.

• 1:33:52Tucker Carlson?

  This is gonna happen in Ukraine, isn't it?

• 1:33:54Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm sure it's happened.

• 1:33:55Tucker Carlson?

  The Ukraine rebuilt, the Ukraine rebuilding fund from BlackRock. I mean, this is, so if I want a piece of the trillion dollars that's gonna be spent to make Ukraine a country again, and, you know, and, and a piece of its resources, which are substantial, then I'm probably gonna use NGOs on my behalf, right?

• 1:34:17Speaker 01

  Yes. And this is where. You get this curious line around gongos, government organized NGOs and ongos, I guess, you know, these oligarch organized NGOs and where they all sort of meet in the middle. And where they meet in the middle is, I guess, what we just call politics, the the topography of political factions in the US in the sense that

• 1:34:46Speaker 01

  every major company has has an interest in sponsoring NGOs that regardless of whether they believe in the mission of it, they advance something that helps that the the business side of this. So I mentioned Brown and Root had the Brown Foundation. And the, you know, the Soros Management Fund has the Open Society Foundation. And, you know, Microsoft has the, you know, the Bill and Linda Gates Foundation. No, but the last one was was a little bit tongue in cheek. But what I'm getting at here is, like, take the example of this Mongolia mine.

• 1:35:26Speaker 01

  They the Soros didn't care about the environmental impact of that Mongolia mine. The fact that they could astroturf environmental protesters to take to the streets and to create a human rights predicate as to why the international community should intervene to stop the Mongolian government from signing this deal

• 1:35:47Speaker 01

  was simply an NGO or it was simply an Now, if the US government did that, that would have to come straight from the CIA. That's will be a covert action if you're going to run through

• 1:35:57Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:35:58Speaker 01

  front groups. But if you have an ostensibly public one, but you're not seeing the classified State Department cables or whatever is CIA underneath that, making an argument from their Asia desk. Well, this is going to help US national security because that's less minerals for China. But then Soros is using that money and sponsoring.

• 1:36:17Tucker Carlson?

  It's unbelievable. So the real fear, though, is that that could happen inside our borders.

• 1:36:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:36:24Tucker Carlson?

  That this combination of, you know, government actors, strict strict government actors from the executive branch agencies and NGOs collude to like, take down a president.

• 1:36:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's exactly.

• 1:36:37Tucker Carlson?

  And so. Well, that's correct, right? So they staged little Mongolia right here in the US.

• 1:36:43Speaker 01

  Yes, and they're all the same groups. They're all the same groups. And a great example of this, we were talking about the US Institute of Peace. The US Institute of Peace, we talked about it in the context of Syria. And how they were openly funding the Taliban and lobbying the Taliban to keep 95% of the world's opium flowing after the Taliban took over.

• 1:37:04Tucker Carlson?

  You know how high heroin prices would go if they shut that down? I mean, I see their point.

• 1:37:08Speaker 01

  Right, good point. Yeah, more for the rest of them.

• 1:37:11Tucker Carlson?

  It's unbelievable.

• 1:37:12Speaker 01

  But they, so they are involved in these astroturf NGO renter riots very heavily. If you go to the publications page.

• 1:37:23Tucker Carlson?

  The Institute of Peace.

• 1:37:24Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, US Institute of Peace. Now, you have to understand, they have a term for this. Get ready for it. Nonviolent action, that's the term. Now, if you have to say that you're nonviolent. You're probably a little bit, you know, I'm not like nonviolently drinking this water.

• 1:37:45Tucker Carlson?

  No, no.

• 1:37:47Speaker 01

  But you have to understand where this came. So this came from this same military network. We talked about how the origin point for this was 1948. UN Declaration of Human Rights forbids military conquest, territorial accession by military force. UN Declaration of Human Rights, the UN Charter that 1948 establishes the NGO framework at the international level, intergovernmentally. 1948 is also when the CIA inaugurates organized political warfare through the use of NGOs. But right at this time, you have, sorry, one second. I just, I had a second thought that just, just crap, crapped up on this. We were talking about the US Institute of Peace.

• 1:38:31Speaker 01

  So, right at this time, you have this move from direct military force to topple governments through military coups, or through military takeovers, or through getting military defectors, to have a top-down attempt to.

• 1:38:53Speaker 01

  induce regime change. They created a blueprint. This is the famous color revolution blueprint, the people powered revolution, you know, lots of, lots of names for this, which is, which is the bottom up method, which instead of getting at the military level with tanks and guns and fighter jets, you do it at the paramilitary street level. You shut down the country by getting a critical mass of its civil society organizations to not cooperate with that government. So the government can't bring any, can't bring in any revenue. They can't pay their own police officers or members of the military to quell the riots because there's no money in the government coffers because they'll be sanctioned by

• 1:39:35Speaker 01

  the international community for cracking down on the protesters and because the country itself is not. The hospital workers have walked out. The, the public health industry workers have, have walked out. So even the schools aren't open, the hospitals aren't open. The roads are being blockaded. The only way to get rid of these people is either with hundreds of thousands of police officers in every region to drag them or to kill them, in which case you have the human rights violations. And then every person is kicked off the SWIFT system and the international finance system and sanctions and threats of, you know, threats of a military intervention at that point. So this was pioneered by the US military, this paramilitary street technique that they call nonviolent action.

• 1:40:19Speaker 01

  And this was done through, through Gene Sharp at, and his cohorts. It was, it was at the Harvard CIA, incidentally, the Harvard Center for International Affairs. It's a very cute, cute, cute nickname, but it was, Henry Kissinger was there, recruited Gene Sharp, they got $50 million in Pentagon funding to develop a, the playbook that they now call from dictatorship to democracy, the idea that you can use.

• 1:40:48Speaker 01

  Mass NGO action to organize the unions, the trade workers, the laborers, the media organizations, the every aspect of civil society in order to encircle the government, to cut it off from its own sources of power, and then with the with the sitting government effectively paraplegic, quadriplegic, basically cut off from its arms and legs, it would be ousted by a street protest that effectively surrounds the Capitol and takes over, takes over the buildings. I mean, this is basically, it's a January 6 blueprint if what they said about January 6 was actually true, which of course is not. But, you know, everyone can watch

• 1:41:33Speaker 01

  Bringing Down a Dictator, the PBS documentary about the State Department and US Institute of Peace, the work getting the Oat Pour Movement in Yugoslavia to topple Slobodan Milosevic. That was nonviolent action is what they call it. Now, the ending scene of that documentary, you hear the whole documentary, it's, he says, "nonviolent action, nonviolent action." The climax of of the documentary, which has, you know, soaring violins, as if this is this is an amazing, you know, amazing thing, is the Parliament Building, you know, the Capitol Building in Serbia being being set on fire, its windows smashed, and a throng

• 1:42:16Speaker 01

  of hundreds of thousands of angry street protesters flooding into the building and declaring themselves the new government. This is cheered on by the State Department, USAID, the US Institute of Peace was actually on the ground training them. And, and meanwhile, the narrator, Martin Sheen is the narrator in this documentary, and he goes on to say, "It's all about nonviolent action." It's, it's, and he says,

• 1:42:47Speaker 01

  And the, that's, Otpor wears all black. They have, uh, they have tight leather. Um, they have, uh, they have a clenched fist as their, as their symbol. It is all intentionally sinister. You know, it's like intentionally sinister, Molotov cocktails and police cars, setting the Capitol building on fire, breaking the glass, forcing the, uh, the democratically elected president to flee by helivac out of the country. This is what they call nonviolent action. And just again, nonviolent action just means mob violence action. But to them, that is less violent than bombing Sarajevo for, do you understand?

• 1:43:27Tucker Carlson?

  So really they're, they're saying it's like, it's mostly peaceful.

• 1:43:29Speaker 01

  Yes. Mostly peaceful arson, mostly peaceful.

• 1:43:32Tucker Carlson?

  So, I mean, you're describing Black Lives Matter.

• 1:43:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:43:35Tucker Carlson?

  It's kind of weird. I'm listening to this. I'm like, if Black Lives Matter was not a synthetic group, if it wasn't AstroTurf, what happened to it? It disappeared as soon as its usefulness ended.

• 1:43:48Speaker 01

  Well, that's, that's exactly what happened. And I can talk all about the connections of this network to that, which is.

• 1:43:53Tucker Carlson?

  But I mean, it's the same, and I remember Darren Beatty saying at the very beginning of that, this is a color revolution. And I love and respect Darren and I'm, but I didn't quite fully appreciate how true that was.

• 1:44:06Speaker 01

  It's literally the exact same network. I have all of their planning documents from starting two weeks, you know, after, after the, the riots popped off, we can get into that, that whole thing with the transition integrity project and the US Institute of Peace program on nonviolent action. Oh, incidentally, that's a.

• 1:44:23Tucker Carlson?

  They were involved in that too?

• 1:44:24Speaker 01

  Yes. And the, the International Center for Nonviolent Conflict was a, was a big part of these, uh, you know, um, how to leverage the BLM protests to, uh, to shut the country down in case Trump won the 2020 election on election day, 2020. Um, this is, they also work through the union groups, especially the AFL-CIO, which is the, the top CIA conduit in the union space around the world. Leftists in the 1960s used to call it the AFL-CIA. Remember the AFL-CIO had a secret agreement with the Chamber of Commerce about, uh, protests to shut down the country. This was published in Time Magazine by Molly Ball. But on this US

• 1:45:03Tucker Carlson?

  Talk about, talk about the uniparty. When labor and management are both colluding against you. You know.

• 1:45:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:45:11Tucker Carlson?

  The Chamber of Commerce. I mean, it really is. Everything is the final scene in Animal Farm when the pigs and the farmers are indistinguishable from each other. It's like, that's the deep truth.

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. But both of them were threatened by Trump's foreign policy. The unions get hundreds of millions of dollars from the State Department, from USAID. We have whole, we have multiple bureaus just for funding them. The Department of Labor is an international affairs bureau. We spent $20 million funding unions in 2023 alone in Brazil. The AFL-CIO's union groups in just one country in one year, $20 million to the union groups there.

• 1:45:50Tucker Carlson?

  Kind of weird there was an election that year.

• 1:45:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, kind of weird there. And, uh, and it was specifically for, for, um, labor, for, for mobilization of the unions in Oregon. It helped them better organize themselves. Do you remember that Lula was, was the head of the Workers' Party?

• 1:46:04Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:05Speaker 01

  Remember who broke him out of jail? It was the AFL-CIO. Who did the AFL-CIO name the man of the year? I think it was in, uh, 2021 or 2022. They named Lula the man of the year. And what is the AFL-CIO? Or it's not only was it, you know, directly sponsored by the Central Intelligence Agency for 30 years during the Cold War, but now they don't even need that because they have the CIA spinoff, National Department for Democracy, which has its own union branch called the Solidarity Center. The Solidarity Center is a formal part of AFL-CIO. It is inseparable from it. And the Solidarity Center kicks them, kicks them money.

• 1:46:49Speaker 01

  So what I'm saying is the Chamber of Commerce was threatened by a potential abandonment of, of cutting the wind for them, of Trump doing, you know, liberal interventions, military interventions, humanitarian interventions in every country on God's green earth. We would just go in, replace the government and then. What would happen to AT&T if they couldn't get those contracts? What would happen to Amex if we didn't have, you know, USAID's DIA app in Ukraine? Or I'm sorry, I think it's Visa, so that Visa gets all the credit card processing for all the transactions there? What would happen, you know, to Starbucks if we abandoned the USAID coffee programs

• 1:47:34Speaker 01

  in Peru and Colombia and the Central African Republic? What would happen, you know, to the petroleum companies if we didn't, you know, militarily step up our presence to... So, the Chamber of Commerce and the unions, labor and management, had a common enemy, common enemy the same way Democrats and Republicans did when Trump first came on the scene. Because anyone who wants to put America first is gonna run straight into everyone who wants to put their own interests first. America be damned.

• 1:48:08Tucker Carlson?

  Nicely, nicely put. So, let's end by, well, I hope you will end by explaining if you were to, I don't know, defang these groups, drain the swamp, as we say, who would you go after first and how would you do it to restore democracy to the country? The premise that the people rule, that elections matter, that there's the change people want when they get a new leader. That is democracy.

• 1:48:36Speaker 01

  There's three layers of it. There's the executive branch layer, the legislative and the judicial. On the executive branch layer, an unbelievable amount of positive accomplishments have been done through the executive branch. And I think that the Trump admin deserves credit, even as we're unsatisfied with how big this is and how many problems there have been with Congress and judges blocking things. It took a lot of political capital to do what they did, and they were aggressive at almost every layer of it, with some very big asterisks and exceptions.

• 1:49:21Speaker 01

  The idea of the firing of 14,000 people at USAID, the closure of the offices, the funding pauses was absolutely massive, both symbolically and in very, very real terms. The restructuring that Marco Rubio has led at the State Department is absolutely massive. Like 135 sub-agencies are being rifled, you know, totally killed, you know, the reduction in force, totally laid off so that you don't even need the congressional approval because the, there's no job for fired people to go back to because the division doesn't exist anymore. Those include the Democracy Rights and Governance, Democracy Rights and Labor

• 1:50:00Speaker 01

  Bureau at the State Department, which is the number one coordinating web, I guess in tandem with the International Organization Bureau, but Democracy Rights and Labor is the, like the main place at state for the NGO-plex because they're all getting this funding and they're all coordinating with the State Department, getting the protection of the State Department because they are promoting democracy as the State Department wants them to do. The rights in it stands for the human rights because, you know, human rights violations in foreign countries and then labor is, you know, the unions and the, and this is where you get the rent of riots and all this. And you can go online and see weeping videos from people from the Democracy Rights and Labor Bureau that they've been working there

• 1:50:45Speaker 01

  for 15, 20 years and suddenly it's gone and it is going to have a devastating, of course it never has a devastating impact on these things. A great example is the, the AP ran a, ran a story about, I think the initial title for it was Trump's Move to End USAID Crushes Cocaine Programs Dedicated to Combating the Cocaine Trade. And they, the article is the biggest self-own you'll ever read. It's all about how, you know, we have all this money that goes to Colombia and to Peru and to Bolivia to, to stop the cocaine, to stop,

• 1:51:26Speaker 01

  stop drug trafficking in the, you know, Colombia's number one, Peru's number two, biggest cocoa leaf, you know, cultivation on, in the world.

• 1:51:36Speaker 01

  Goes on to say, we spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year to cocaine is going to flourish. Then they they have a statement that they include because they reached out to the president of Colombia. President Colombia says, we're thrilled that USAID is gone. They, you know, they, they, they made the problem worse. Then they, they, they go to Peru and the number two called, you know, Coke, Coke. Sorry, Coca-Cola cultivator. And they said that the Colombia, the Peruvian government refused to comment. But we talked to the former head of the National Commission on, you know, narcotics prevention. That, you know, the, the former head of the part of the Peruvian government that handles this.

• 1:52:18Speaker 01

  And he said, um, you know, thank God, uh, the USAID programs are, are, uh, are, on combating cocaine here are gone. They were the primary problem in this whole thing. Actually, the, and he, and he, he gives an example. He says, actually, not only did none of the money actually ever reach the groups, but they only slowed down action that the Peruvian government tried to do. When, when the Peruvian government tried to do something to stop cocaine, USAID would step in and they would delay things, they would drag things. It's almost like they want the cocaine. And then he gives the example of these, he says, and in Bolivia, right next door, Bolivia banned USAID in 2013 and they drastically reduced the cocaine trafficking.

• 1:53:01Speaker 01

  And because there was no USAID cocaine program, keeping the cocaine flowing. And so anyway, but what I'm saying is, is this is all done through these, you know, these state department bureaus, which are now being reorganized. And the one of the, so at the executive branch level, I would say there's, when we, we huge wins at the National Science Foundation, which is a major, you know, NGO and university sponsor for this.

• 1:53:28Speaker 01

  A couple of big misses, though. How the national endowment for democracy remains fully funded. They were talking a big talk, the Trump administration about defunding the national down for democracy, which I would say is one of, if not the worst of the worst offender in this entire space, especially with Damon Wilson at the helm, who came straight from the Atlanta Council Digital Forensics Research Lab, which was the censorship super center of the Western world.

• 1:53:54Speaker 01

  Seven CIA directors on the Atlanta Council's board funded by the Pentagon State Department and USAID. The Atlanta Council, where it came from, at that time, the Atlanta Council was running training seminars to get journalists to flag Trump tweets, including one seminar called "I Call Bullshit," where the Atlanta Council Digital Forensics Research Lab, where Damon Wilson was the head, they are training schools of journalists, holding up Trump tweets on a Jumbotron that says two words, "Witch Hunt." This is one month before the Mueller hearing, so Russiagate was at its apex. They wanted to censor, or called disinformation, Trump's attempt to present his own case around Russiagate. And they provoked journalists

• 1:54:39Speaker 01

  to hold up "Atlanta Council-sponsored placards" with the word "bullshit" on it, and that means sponsored by you and me, because we pay for them through 11 different government agencies, pay the Atlanta Council.

• 1:54:49Tucker Carlson?

  So why are they, why is NED, National Network for Democracy, Atlanta Council, why are they still getting government money?

• 1:54:57Speaker 01

  I'm not privy to those internal conversations. I have actually seen the, so there's four cores at NED. There's the two political branches, NDI for the Democrats, the National Democrat Institute, IRI for the Republicans, the International Republicans. McCain ran for years. Yep, McCain ran, Mitt Romney's on the board, Madeleine Albright, by the way, was the head of NDI, Hunter Biden was on the Chairman's Advisory Board of NDI, Nina Jankovic was at NDI. But, so those are the two political branches. And then the other two core fours are the exact other two groups who signed that secret agreement around organizing destabilizing street protests in case Trump won.

• 1:55:39Speaker 01

  The third one is called the Center for International Private Enterprise, CPAY. That's the US Chamber of Commerce branch of NED. And the fourth one is called the Solidarity Center. That's the AFL-CIA Union Arm of NED. So what do you know, the Never Trump Republicans, the Democrats, the Chamber of Commerce, and the unions, the exact group behind the Transition Integrity Project, which explicitly plotted in the height of the George Floyd riots, ran a war game about how the Biden campaign, in case Trump won, in a clear win scenario, clear Trump win, was the name of their scenario. Scenario three is in June 2020.

• 1:56:22Speaker 01

  How the Biden campaign could get racial justice activists from these riots to be, quote, "receptive to a Biden call to take to the streets," and plotted what needed to be done to resource them and to cultivate relationships with Black Lives Matters senior leadership and community leaders so that they would owe the Biden administration favors in case they need to be called on. And lo and behold, who pays $50 billion? The Chamber of Commerce then flooded them with $50 billion in contributions. You remember that? All the different Chamber of Commerce companies just flooded billions of dollars of donations to BLM.

• 1:57:01Tucker Carlson?

  To destroy our country.

• 1:57:02Speaker 01

  Yes. And meanwhile, the AFL-CIO and SEIU were all on the streets with them, just like they are around the world. When we want riots in Georgia, we want riots in Serbia, we want riots in Hungary, we go straight to the AFL-CIO branch. And but those are the four corners of net, are the exact four corners of the effective insurrection against Trump during term one.

• 1:57:23Tucker Carlson?

  I don't understand how that can remain.

• 1:57:27Speaker 01

  I know IRI has made reforms. Let me say this to their credit. In full disclosure, they have reached out to me, and I think I've mentioned this publicly before, but I haven't really been able to say all that much because it's just doesn't really come up much. And I have seen them attempt to make reforms. This is the Republican side of it. And I've heard from folks around its senior leadership that they that they've recognized how elements of what they were doing before were inappropriate, they'd gone rogue, that certain people who were there are not there anymore, that they are trying to align the their actions with

• 1:58:09Speaker 01

  the foreign policy set by their sponsors, the US government. And I've seen and I have seen genuine good faith efforts.

• 1:58:16Tucker Carlson?

  They're trying to participate in democracy now.

• 1:58:18Speaker 01

  Look, I'm not weighing into whether or not they're doing it for cynical, self-serving reasons or whether but frankly, you could argue they may have been doing the other, the bad stuff for because the Biden administration wanted them, you know, to, you know, to do that, or because the, you know, Trump was on shaky ground in his own first term and didn't really control his own Congress or or budget or or had a very strong coalition. But the point is, is NDI has not made those, has not made those reforms at all. The, the solidarity center has not made those reforms. And the issue is, is if you, if you say, okay, IRI has reformed, the Republican branch of it has, but these other three are still rogue. Well, then what happens?

• 1:59:02Speaker 01

  The whole purpose of NED is that it's bipartisan and, and that it therefore sort of synchronizes US policy, US foreign policy on both sides of the political aisle because everyone's on the take. So everyone has a reason to invade Ukraine. Everyone has a reason to topple Assad. But if only, if, if IRI reforms, but NDI doesn't, what happens to NED?

• 1:59:27Speaker 01

  Do you see what I say?

• 1:59:27Tucker Carlson?

  I do. What I, this is my last question, but, and you, you will know the answer. So when I hear you talk, it's like, it's my childhood, you know? I just grew up around this stuff and, uh, you know, pre 91, the assumption was we're locked in a, an existential struggle with the forces of darkness, the Soviets on board with that. Post 91, you know, ultimately we came to realize that we run the entire world and that's like a huge management project to keep everything under control and sort of moving in the right direction and, but you know, we're in charge of the world. Post 2023, there's like, there's no way you can tell yourself that. It's just not true.

• 2:00:11Tucker Carlson?

  And the BRICS is now, represents a bigger economy, bigger population, bigger military than the West. So I guess my question is, do the people running all these different groups understand that their 1980s era assumptions are just like overtaken by events? Do they see the world clearly? Do they know the limits to their own power? Do they know what's up?

• 2:00:32Speaker 01

  I think they do, actually.

• 2:00:34Tucker Carlson?

  Good.

• 2:00:36Speaker 01

  As I mentioned, I'm, I'm reading Bill Burns's autobiography, the CIA director for Biden.

• 2:00:41Tucker Carlson?

  A very close friend of Epstein's, by the way. No, no, just, just a fact.

• 2:00:46Speaker 01

  Yes, I know.

• 2:00:46Tucker Carlson?

  I just saw, just saw emails from Epstein to him.

• 2:00:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:00:50Tucker Carlson?

  Someone showed me, doesn't, I think Bill Burns is a very smart guy and I, I'm not for Bill Burns, but I'm not, I'm just saying, friend of Epstein's. Yeah.

• 2:00:58Speaker 01

  Right. I think there is recognition of that. And I think this is also why you see this. Everything is alliance based and why you see, for example, the Biden administration moving so deeply in tandem with the EU on all things. And using EU regulatory action to box out, you know, populists like the Biden administration was totally behind the EU Digital Censorship Act. That is going to become. Completely. Yes, literally, I think their internal documents from their White House Information Integrity Working Group, planning the whole thing as well as the USAID programs to beef up the terms of it so that it can be used against domestic enemies in America.

• 2:01:43Speaker 01

  But the fact is, is I think this is, this is part of the global alliance structure. And I actually don't think that the Biden administration really moved unilaterally, assuming unipolar power.

• 2:01:59Speaker 01

  Almost, almost every major foreign policy decision, you know, would, would have the buy in of the UK, France, the in power parties in Germany and Canada and paid very close attention to, to, and, and in fact, you know, partnering with in many, many ways, China. I mean, Trump blocked China from being able to import oil and gas from Iran. Blocked that for four years, two months into Biden's term. China inked the Iran deal for 400 billion, by $400 billion of oil and gas from Iran. It's just, I, so I don't think there is a kind of, as much of the unipolar, there is

• 2:02:43Speaker 01

  some of it, definitely, like you hear the John Bolton types, you know, talk about, you know, almost presupposing that we can just bully everyone around. But I think even that is done with an expectation that it's going to be NATO wide, it's going to have, you know, allies around the world. But, but I, to your point, I think that the Ukraine, Russia war and, you know, is, has been a humbling period, which I think is why there actually is an appetite for peace.

• 2:03:21Speaker 01

  Even within many aspects of the blob, they just want peace on terms that are beyond their leverage to obtain. And, you know, that is a war of attrition that, you know, gets back to the efforts to cut USAID and the NGO plex. USAID spent $15 billion. I think it was one year alone on Ukraine on this. USAID NGOs are funding the pensions of people in Ukraine, are funding the salaries of municipal workers.

• 2:04:04Speaker 01

  There's more welfare for people in Ukraine from USAID than, you know, effectively American citizens who live here legally. And, but the fact is, is if that USAID spigot gets cut, things will go south very quickly. This is why the EU is creating its own army, you know, built trillion dollar budget that they've announced that for the EU to, you know, effectively create a parallel NATO in case Trump dips out of that. But in the heat of this, you know, I mentioned a few of the failings, one of them, Ned. Another one is a trillion dollar Pentagon budget. Is, is, is hard for me to imagine that that does not go to prolonging the war, but the

• 2:04:49Speaker 01

  Trump administration is a tough choice. If you totally deprive Ukraine of the lifeline that they've had, everything crumbles immediately. But then you lose the deal terms, you, in the sense that there's no hope to have territory in eastern Ukraine, you know, flow back to control by the Kiev government. There's no hope to recover the, all the petroleum resources in Ukraine. Ukraine is the third largest shale reserves, I believe, in all of Europe, especially in the Donbass and off, off, off the.

• 2:05:30Speaker 01

  Offshore in Crimea in the Black Sea. And so, you know, I think Trump is between a blob and a hard place. You know, he has to, if he wants a budget done, he needs Congress to approve. We do not have a populist super majority in Congress. We have, there are more populists now in Congress than there were under Trump one. So I don't think Trump will get as rolled as he was by Paul Ryan. But there will be rolling, undoubtedly, as we've seen 26 members of Congress, I think, have said that they're not going to approve the Doge cuts, just the Doge cuts. And while you're getting handed even more money from a trillion dollar Pentagon budget.

• 2:06:14Speaker 01

  And how much of that trillion is going to be civil military, i.e. NGOs? Because the military funds these NGOs. As I mentioned, the Secretary of War is on the board for the US Institute of Peace. The Pentagon pays the Atlantic Council. The Pentagon pays for NATO, which has all the societal resilience and social cohesion grants to the NGO space to do all this. And so a lot of, you can shut down USAID, but you can just call it civil military and the civil society NGOs will be funded by the Pentagon. So Trump has to keep his coalition together.

• 2:06:56Speaker 01

  And so he can't get everything he wants, just as we're not a unipolar power anymore. Trump is not a unipolar president. But, so I'm happy with singles and doubles. As long as, as long as the direction line is towards a better country. The question is, is are we even going to get the singles or doubles? Or is, you know, is the blob going to get enough home runs and triples on the other side of it that on net, nothing comes to pass?

• 2:07:30Tucker Carlson?

  When you next come back, I'd love to hear what a trillion dollars a year buys.

• 2:07:37Tucker Carlson?

  Considering that we're separated from our enemies by two oceans and face no invasion threat, I'm thinking that's a pretty big budget. And I know that I'm probably not a good Republican for pointing that out. But, uh, I guess I'm not a good Republican in general. But like, what is that? So

• 2:07:56Speaker 01

  Here's the problem. It buys votes.

• 2:07:57Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, I know.

• 2:07:58Speaker 01

  It buys votes in Congress. If you want, if you want to fire people at the Justice Department, if you want to get people approved, you know, by the Senate for their positions, if you want to get rid of the Department of Education, hey, you might need to give them, you might need to give them a Pentagon bone. And, and it's a very dirty soup.

• 2:08:16Tucker Carlson?

  Mike Benz, a very clean man. I appreciate it.

• 2:08:19Speaker 01

  Thanks, Doctor. Thank you.

• 2:08:25Tucker Carlson?

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