321. The Murder of Makayla Maeve

On this episode, Payton and Garrett dive into the case of Makayla Meave, a young mother whose sudden disappearance left her family desperately searching for answers. But when Makayla’s mother has a chilling vision about where her daughter might be, the entire investigation takes a shocking turn. Links: Netflix Video Every Monday @11am PST, 12pm MST, 2pm EST 1pm CST https://www.netflix.com/murderwithmyhusband Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/frank-byers-arrested-in-wife-makayla-meave-byers-shooting-death CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/makayla-meave-frank-byers-oklahoma-murder-48-hours/ Koco.com - https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-pottawatomie-county-frank-byers-death-penalty-case-makayla-meave/60413884 KTUL.com - https://ktul.com/newsletter-daily/details-unveiled-pottawatomie-womans-death-linked-to-gunshot-wounds-to-the-head-makayla-fay-meave-byers-frank-carpet-shooting-court-family-medical-examiner-office-deputies-crime-scene-neighbor OKCFox.com - https://okcfox.com/news/local/exclusive-unraveling-inconsistencies-in-frank-byers-tearful-account-prime-suspect-in-makaylas-murder-case-now-behind-bars Medium.com - https://medium.com/@truecrimestoriies/the-day-i-learned-my-neighbors-wife-wasn-t-on-a-date-she-was-already-dead-8b1bc83754f4 NYPost.com - https://nypost.com/2023/09/27/blood-was-found-in-home-of-mom-later-found-wrapped-in-carpet/ People.com - https://people.com/makayla-meave-byers-missing-oklahoma-mom-found-dead-7973517 KFOR.com - https://kfor.com/news/family-begs-for-help-finding-missing-pottawatomie-woman/ MamaMia.com - https://www.mamamia.com.au/makayla-meave-byers-murder/ News9.com - https://www.news9.com/story/68a3a7096b4a0bd7ddca292e/family-still-seeking-justice-two-years-after-daughter-s-murder-in-pottawatomie-county TheCinemaholic.com - https://thecinemaholic.com/makayla-meave/ WilsonLittle.com - https://www.wilsonlittle.com/obituaries/Makayla-Meave-Byers/#!/Obituary Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:46Payton Moreland?

  You're listening to an Ono Media Podcast. Hey, everyone, welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder with my husband. I'm Payton Moreland.

• 0:53Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm Garrett Moreland.

• 0:54Payton Moreland?

  And he's the husband.

• 0:55Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm the husband.

• 0:56Payton Moreland?

  Happy Mondays.

• 0:58Garrett Moreland?

  Welcome back. Happy Monday. Thank you for being here. Thank you for listening. Thank you for watching. Thank you for showing up. Thank you for subscribing. All of it. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Here we are, recording, ready for a true crime episode. What'd you guys do this weekend? Anything fun?

• 1:16Payton Moreland?

  What did we do?

• 1:17Garrett Moreland?

  Work.

• 1:18Payton Moreland?

  Oh, yeah, we worked.

• 1:20Garrett Moreland?

  We worked. Our anniversary is soon?

• 1:23Payton Moreland?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:24Garrett Moreland?

  Tuesday?

• 1:25Payton Moreland?

  Tuesday, I think.

• 1:26Garrett Moreland?

  Gosh, 27 years married.

• 1:28Payton Moreland?

  That's insane.

• 1:30Garrett Moreland?

  Crazy. No, it's nine years married.

• 1:34Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 1:34Garrett Moreland?

  Nine years married.

• 1:36Payton Moreland?

  Holy smokes. That means we're getting old.

• 1:39Garrett Moreland?

  I know. Nine years married is a long time.

• 1:43Payton Moreland?

  Dude, you know what? I was looking at our wedding pictures the other day.

• 1:46Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 1:47Payton Moreland?

  We were so small.

• 1:48Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, we were baby. Oh, babe, we got married when we were babies.

• 1:52Payton Moreland?

  Who, who in their right mind agreed to that? Who in their right mind said, yeah, let's let these two children get married?

• 1:58Garrett Moreland?

  As soon as you turn 18, I guess you can technically do whatever you want.

• 2:02Payton Moreland?

  Jeez.

• 2:03Garrett Moreland?

  And we said, hey, let's go get married.

• 2:04Payton Moreland?

  We sure did.

• 2:06Garrett Moreland?

  Yep, nine year anniversary. That's about it. Hi, Daisy. Daisy's sick. Not sure what, but she hasn't been feeling good. So she's just chilling. But she'll be okay.

• 2:15Payton Moreland?

  She slept like in my neck, crook of my neck last night. That's how I knew she was sick.

• 2:23Garrett Moreland?

  Poor girl. I'm gonna get right into 10 seconds.

• 2:27Garrett Moreland?

  I need a hot take for my 10 seconds today.

• 2:29Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, take my hand. Take my hand. Yeah, do it. I'll show you.

• 2:38Payton Moreland?

  I'm your hot take.

• 2:42Payton Moreland?

  What?

• 2:42Garrett Moreland?

  That was funny. That was good.

• 2:45Payton Moreland?

  You're done.

• 2:45Garrett Moreland?

  You're cute, babe. I thought you were gonna like do something.

• 2:48Payton Moreland?

  Like pull your finger?

• 2:49Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah. Okay, alright, I have a hot take. I don't know if it's a hot take. It might make some people mad. I want to start with saying that

• 3:00Garrett Moreland?

  the city, my bagel shop is amazing. They've been great. They got everything done really, really fast. And I appreciate it. Like, when I say fast, like fast, like permits were approved within weeks. That's unheard of, I feel like. I think, oh man, I want to make some people mad, because I know some of you probably work for a city. I think anything that has to do with permits and building,

• 3:26Garrett Moreland?

  I don't think I can say it out loud. I'm gonna get cancelled.

• 3:29Payton Moreland?

  What?

• 3:30Garrett Moreland?

  I think, I think it should all, I think it should just not exist. Like, I think they should all be, I don't want to say fired, there's other jobs in the city, but anything to do with like cities, getting permits approved to build something, yada, yada, yada. I think that it should all be done just via software, like automatic, like you upload, and there's this parameters and intelligence that automatically knows what needs to be approved and not approved. And it's done like that. If it's rejected, it comes back to you, you fix what we need to fix, upload again, and within like 24 hours, the systems can automatically detect what needs to be done and not done. Instead of, I mean, look, there's some cities out there where you submit a permit, you don't hear back for like six months.

• 4:15Garrett Moreland?

  I'm sure every contractor, anyone that builds anything is like, yes. Like, this is ridiculous.

• 4:21Payton Moreland?

  I think.

• 4:22Garrett Moreland?

  So I just think it's ridiculous. It's 2026. We have the technology and we have the ability. I know the software exists. I just know majority of it is cities don't want to adopt it because I mean, I get some people would lose jobs, but it's also hard because you have people literally waiting months and months for a permit. Sorry. This one kind of makes me mad because luckily the city I went, they were amazing and they were super helpful. And again, it happened within weeks, but I have multiple friends. I have people that you're waiting. I mean, there's some places where it takes like a year to get a permit. Anyways, that's my hot take. If you have something you want to say to me about it, let me know.

• 5:06Garrett Moreland?

  I'm open to it. But yeah.

• 5:08Payton Moreland?

  Two things.

• 5:09Garrett Moreland?

  Yes.

• 5:10Payton Moreland?

  If a job is not efficient.

• 5:12Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 5:12Payton Moreland?

  For everyone around them, the job deserves to be changed.

• 5:16Garrett Moreland?

  Correct.

• 5:16Payton Moreland?

  Number one.

• 5:17Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 5:18Payton Moreland?

  So I don't think that that's that hot of a take.

• 5:20Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 5:21Payton Moreland?

  Number two, I don't think like you work for the government, you work on a different timeline. If you work for a state, you work on a different timeline.

• 5:29Garrett Moreland?

  Yes.

• 5:29Payton Moreland?

  All the way down. If you work with a city, you're working on a different timeline than everyone else in America.

• 5:35Garrett Moreland?

  For sure.

• 5:36Payton Moreland?

  And I think it's unfair.

• 5:37Garrett Moreland?

  People probably disagree with this, but it's just true.

• 5:41Payton Moreland?

  I don't, I don't think that that is like necessarily a bad thing. There's probably parameters and things that have made it that way.

• 5:49Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 5:49Payton Moreland?

  But I think we can all agree that most entities that belong to.

• 5:56Garrett Moreland?

  Are inefficient.

• 5:57Payton Moreland?

  Yes. Like it's a running. They haven't progressed.

• 6:01Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 6:01Payton Moreland?

  The way the rest of the world has on the timeline, the rest of the world has like, like as far as business, everything moves super quick, super fast. It's always about efficiency. And we have some really outdated.

• 6:14Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah. A lot of it, I guess, probably just have to do with the governments and cities and just parameters and yada, yada, yada. But I mean, it's like a running joke when you go to a DMV, right? Granted, I mean, some DMVs now in states are actually really well run and like they have online technology. And that's what I'm saying. There's so many places that are so far behind. Like it should not be taking this long to get a permit. It should not be taking this long to do different things. And again, I'm an exception because I didn't happen to my city, but I know so many people that it happens to.

• 6:45Payton Moreland?

  But it's not like we live in that small of a city. So if it's capable in our city to get it done fast, it should be capable in most cities to get it done that fast.

• 6:53Garrett Moreland?

  Places in California literally will take you 18 months.

• 6:57Payton Moreland?

  Which again, just goes back to your program is not efficient.

• 7:01Garrett Moreland?

  Like, come on.

• 7:01Payton Moreland?

  Like, you're not being as efficient as possible, clearly. And I'm not, I think, different cities, different counties, like, we're obviously not in a huge city, but it's a pretty large city with a lot going on.

• 7:13Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, and they got it done.

• 7:14Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 7:15Garrett Moreland?

  Anyways, that's my hot take, kinda. I don't know, maybe you guys don't even care about that. But if you've ever built something or had to deal with the city, I'm sure you'll care about it, though.

• 7:24Payton Moreland?

  I also don't think efficiency is all technology. I think that programs themselves with human beings running them could be more efficient.

• 7:33Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, 100%. Yeah, yeah.

• 7:34Payton Moreland?

  Like, I don't think technology is always the answer.

• 7:37Garrett Moreland?

  No, it doesn't need to replace. It just needs to speed up things.

• 7:40Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 7:41Garrett Moreland?

  Anyways, that's what I got. Before we hop into today's episode, I want to say real quick that thank you to anyone who listens and watches the podcast, who comes into the bagel shop. Thanks for saying hi. I have a problem, okay? I remember everyone's name as soon as you tell me, and I'm talking to you, and I remember your name, and I'm engaged in the conversation. As soon as you leave, that name is gone. And multiple people were like, "Don't forget my name, so you can shout it out in the next episode." Well, guess what? I forgot your name. But also, in my defense, I'm also hearing names from 300 other people a day at the same time. Anyways, literally, I had multiple people. I'm like, "Oh, I'm gonna remember your name and shout you out." Nope. Any names in my mind is zero names. The only name in my mind right now is Peyton.

• 8:24Garrett Moreland?

  No other names. So anyway, sorry. That's it. I love you. Thank you for coming in. Thank you for saying hi. If you came in and I was busy, I'm also really sorry. But I love you, and let's hop into today's case.

• 8:36Payton Moreland?

  Our sources for this episode are Oxygen, CBS News, cocoa.com, k2ul.com, OKCFox.com, Medium.com, NewYorkPost.com, People.com, KFOR.com, Mamamia.com, News9.com, TheCinemaholic, and WilsonLittle.com. I think one of the most powerful extra sensory skills that I've ever seen is a mother's blind intuition. Everyone talks about it. It's like moms have this divine spiritual entanglement to their children. They always seem to know when something is off, when your energy has shifted. Sometimes they call right at the second you need them most. Other times, it's like they can predict when something is about to go wrong.

• 9:21Payton Moreland?

  And I know that's not the case for every mother, but it is enough case that has become a stereotype. But it's also not every day that a mother's intuition solves a disappearance. After Michaela Maeve went missing in 2023, her mother decided she wasn't going to sleep until she found her daughter. And thanks to that motherly intuition, or her divine connection to her daughter Michaela, she knew exactly where to find her. And not only was she right, she helped bring justice to a case that might have otherwise gone cold. I'm sure many of our listeners come from small towns, so you understand what it's like when everyone

• 10:06Payton Moreland?

  knows everyone, where gossip spreads faster than a virus and everybody's in each other's business. But I think the location of today's case might have most places beat because we are headed to Macomb, Oklahoma, where in the year 2023, when our case takes place, the population is about 24 people.

• 10:32Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, my gosh. Okay.

• 10:34Payton Moreland?

  And 30-year-old Michaela Maeve is one of them. Michaela was a teacher's assistant at Macomb Public Schools and was working towards getting her teaching degree at the time. She was also very actively involved with the school's after-care program, but Michaela always knew she wanted this to be her path. Her mother actually ran a daycare when she was growing up. She understood the power of education and nurturing, and it was what she wanted to do with her life. So it must have been devastating when Michaela learned back in her twenties that she couldn't have children of her own. So instead, as she

• 11:14Payton Moreland?

  got older, she fostered and then adopted two teenage kids, a brother and a sister, and she did everything she could to give these kids a loving upbringing. Plus, she shared with them all of the things that always brought her joy: music, singing, religion, her passion for animals. Michaela treated her students with the same kind of love and compassion that she treated her two adopted kids. Friends and coworkers said that if a child ever came to school hungry or wearing dirty clothes, Michaela would be the one to help fix it, make things better. And luckily, Michaela wasn't alone in her journey. She was extremely close with her mother and two sisters who helped her raise her kids along

• 11:59Payton Moreland?

  the way. But then, an old acquaintance actually came back into Michaela's perfect little life. It was someone named Frank Byers. Now, Michaela and Frank had actually gone to high school together back in the day. And sometime before 2022, he sent Michaela a Facebook message and the two of them reconnected. Now, by then Frank was working for an environmental cleanup company, which meant he spent a lot of time on the road. But when he wasn't working, he was actually still living in the McComb area. Frank now had four kids of his own, all young daughters.

• 12:41Payton Moreland?

  And ever since his divorce from their mother, he had primary custody. But this wasn't something that deterred Michaela. If anything, it made her fall for Frank even more, especially because Frank told Michaela his girls had had a rough time in life so far. He said that his most recent girlfriend had been abusing his daughters when he wasn't around, and he was just looking to get out of that situation. So that was when Michaela offered to open her home to Frank and his four kids. Okay. The two start dating, so Michaela and Frank start dating in 2022, and her family of three, her and her adopted two kids, now grows to eight.

• 13:24Payton Moreland?

  Now, people who knew Michaela said she seemed happier than ever. This wasn't something everyone would do, but it was something that really worked for her. She loved Frank's kids like they were her own. So it wasn't a surprise in June of 2022 when Michaela and Frank tied the knot. So for the next year, they lived together on Michaela's 10-acre property. But on September 15th, 2023, their worlds turned upside down.

• 13:54Payton Moreland?

  So that morning began like most days in McComb. Michaela woke up and called her sister Andrea at 7:00 a.m. The two were best friends. Not only did they speak every day, they basically knew every detail of each other's lives, or so Andrea thought. It was a Friday, so she and Michaela might have discussed their plans for the weekend. Michaela went to work that morning and came home around her usual time. But she and her sister Andrea didn't speak again for the rest of that night. When Andrea's phone rang the following morning, though, on September 16th, she expected to hear Michaela on the other end of the line again. Only this time, it was Frank, her boyfriend.

• 14:37Payton Moreland?

  And he was wondering if Andrea had seen or spoken to her sister since the night before. And according to Andrea, Frank seemed seriously worried. He was hysterical. She could hardly make out what he was saying at first. Eventually, she got him to calm down enough to spit it out. And that's when he said that Michaela had gone on a date the night before, but hadn't made it home yet. Now, this isn't a total shock to Andrea because despite the fact they're still living together with their kids, she knew Michaela and Frank had recently decided to take a little break from their romance. Things hadn't been going super well between them lately, so

• 15:21Payton Moreland?

  Andrea's first thought was, well, good. I hope my sister went out and had some fun last night. Maybe she had a little too much fun. Maybe she stayed over at a guy's house. But Frank seems to think it's a lot worse than Michaela just staying out for the night. He tells her sister, the last time he saw Michaela was around 5:30 p.m. last night, that the guy she'd went out with was bald. He had a dark beard. He showed up in a white Chevrolet pickup truck with tinted windows. And Frank says he didn't speak to the guy himself, but he saw Michaela get into the truck with him and then they drove off into the sunset. But now Michaela wasn't answering her phone. She still hadn't made it home, like all of the kids are home, so

• 16:06Payton Moreland?

  Andrea, at this point, assumes Frank is just being jealous, like a little jealous and dramatic, which is why after she hangs up, she decides to call her sister herself. But Frank was right. Michaela wasn't answering her phone. In fact, her calls were going straight to voicemail.

• 16:22Garrett Moreland?

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• 19:06Payton Moreland?

  1pm and still no one's been able to reach Michaela and now her family is starting to get worried, especially because Michaela had promised to help out a restaurant their family owned that day, but she didn't show up. And this is something that was completely unlike her. So by that afternoon, her husband Frank called 911 and I'm calling him husband, but they're on a break apparently, but they're still living in the same home with the kids. Yep.

• 19:33Speaker 04

  My wife's been missing since late last night. She left at 5:30. She roughly called 4:00. And the last time that anyone has heard from her has been at 8pm. And your name? My name is Frank Byers, B Y E R. What's her name? Her name is Michaela Byers.

• 19:53Payton Moreland?

  Now it's about 4pm on the afternoon of the 16th, when police arrive at Michaela's home where Frank and Michaela are living. And with his body cam rolling, the deputy asks 32 year old Frank to repeat the details he gave the dispatcher over the phone. Now Frank also gives them more description of the guy he says he saw Michaela leaving with the night before. He was six feet tall, maybe 200 pounds or so. Now, what's interesting is when Frank is explaining the situation to the deputy, he doesn't exactly tell the deputy that he and Michaela were on a break.

• 20:35Payton Moreland?

  Instead, he says, "We had actually recently decided to agree to open up their marriage and stay together while also seeing other people." So they were still living in Michaela's home on the 10 acres in this very, very small town, but they had an open relationship, so they each would go on dates with other people, but were still at home raising the kids together. So this is what he tells the officer. He says to the officer that Michaela met this particular person that she went on a date with on Facebook, but that's all he really knew about the guy outside of what he looked like and what car he drove. Frank also says that he doesn't really like the arrangement, like the open marriage.

• 21:21Payton Moreland?

  It was Michaela's idea. He was just willing to do whatever it took to make her happy, to keep her by his side, to keep their marriage intact. Frank admits, though, that right before she left, he and Michaela had gotten into a tiff. According to him, she claimed it was none of his business where she was going or who she went with. So that's why he never got a name or more details on where her date was that night. But he also offers to show the deputy some messages Michaela had sent him the night before, after she left the house on the date. It was messages sent from her phone that read, quote, "I'm fine and back off."

• 22:01Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 22:02Payton Moreland?

  Now, at this point, the deputy decides it's worth driving around the tiny town to see if he spots Michaela. And one of the first stops he makes is at the school where she works, but there's nothing. Meanwhile, back at Frank and Michaela's house, the family is actually starting to gather. Her mother and sister show up, and one of the first things her mom Barbara does is she gets down on her hands and knees and starts crawling inch by inch over the huge property, looking for any sign of her daughter. And I'm saying any sign as in foul play, clues, anything she can see.

• 22:44Payton Moreland?

  Now, later that evening deputies are back on the property, joining the family in their search of the property. But they're more interested in the inside of Frank and Michaela's home. Particularly, they seem to kind of check out this little shed out back because the police learned that while they were going through this open marriage, maybe break, maybe trying to figure things out, depends on who you ask. Apparently, Michaela had moved into this tiny shed in the back. Now Frank had told them earlier in the day, but when they asked him to open it, he was like, it's locked and I don't have a key, like that's her space.

• 23:27Payton Moreland?

  But when police return, he smashes open the lock and this time he lets police look inside.

• 23:32Garrett Moreland?

  Huh.

• 23:33Payton Moreland?

  And

• 23:34Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 23:35Payton Moreland?

  Right away, police see something alarming. Shell casings belonging to a 22 caliber. But Frank immediately tells them it's not weird. Michaela often sat back here and shot at wild animals from her shed, but that's not even the most alarming detail.

• 23:50Garrett Moreland?

  I don't, I mean, they're in a small town. I don't know if I find that that weird. 22 is usually not something, I mean, yeah, I don't know. For some reason, I don't find that that weird. Knowing what, like the, knowing what a 22 is, knowing it's a small town, like.

• 24:04Payton Moreland?

  Casual Saturday activity.

• 24:07Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, honestly, like it wouldn't surprise me if she was out her window, like shooting birds or shooting squirrels, not saying you should do that. I'm just saying that.

• 24:15Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 24:16Garrett Moreland?

  That wouldn't spark instant red flags.

• 24:18Payton Moreland?

  We shouldn't be like, what?

• 24:20Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 24:21Payton Moreland?

  Now, um, this isn't even the most alarming detail because there also appears to be some blood drops on the floor and on the sheets of the bed. Now, of course, the next thing police ask is where's the gun? Like where is the 22 that those shell casings come from? And Frank says, oh, that's actually back in the main house where I'm staying. They're like, okay, you just said she uses it out here, but I mean, it's possible. It's possible it could have been moved.

• 24:52Garrett Moreland?

  I guess so.

• 24:53Payton Moreland?

  So he leads them back, shows them the gun and they realize this gun has been fired recently. There is gunshot residue on the barrel and the breach of the gun where the ammunition is loaded. And it's at this point, the deputies are like, hey, we're going to call for more backup because

• 25:10Garrett Moreland?

  Interesting.

• 25:10Payton Moreland?

  While this is still a missing persons case, they have blood, they have shell casings, they have a gun that's recently been fired. And so they're like, maybe this is a missing persons case, but also a potential homicide. And they need their criminal investigation team out there for more support. So that is where Lieutenant Dakota Black comes in. She is a trained tracker with the Potawatomi County Sheriff's Office nearby in Shawnee, Oklahoma. So basically she's the one you call if there's like a manhunt. Her male colleagues at the sheriff's office admit even they're intimidated by Lieutenant Black's skillset and just overall bad A.

• 25:55Payton Moreland?

  Like she can track someone, she knows her way around the wild, around the forest, whether she's on the shooting range or out in the field. She's just kind of someone you don't want to bet against. And my favorite part about her might be her trained therapy dog that she brings with her on these investigations. Because she knows how calming and helpful it can be to the families who are in the midst of an investigation like this. So she literally brings her dog who is trained to like ease the tension.

• 26:24Garrett Moreland?

  I love animals. I love pets. I mean, I love all animals, but

• 26:29Payton Moreland?

  Right.

• 26:29Garrett Moreland?

  Love them.

• 26:31Payton Moreland?

  When Lieutenant Black is called out to look for Michaela that September night. This case hits differently than usual. Not only was she and Michaela born one day apart, so they're the same age. Lieutenant Black admits that she's been in situations of intimate partner abuse before. So when she shows up and it's like, You know, this boyfriend who's apparently on a break, open marriage husband. She kind of just feels this like connection to Michaela. Maybe more than she cares to admit. But that doesn't mean the police has stopped following other leads. Every single white pickup truck matching the description Frank gave is being called down to the station to be ruled out.

• 27:14Payton Moreland?

  And that might seem extreme, but again, we are in a very small town. The family is putting up flyers all over town. Michaela's face is being plastered all over social media. Drones are actually scouring the wooded areas around the area. And kayaks traverse the nearby waters, looking for signs of a body. And during all of this, like this pretty intense search for a small town. Frank Byers, husband, doesn't do a thing. Lieutenant Black says he never went out with any of the search parties.

• 27:49Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 27:49Payton Moreland?

  He didn't really show any motion at all towards the fact that his wife was still missing. The few things he did do seemed completely performative to her. And mostly all of this was from the comfort of his own couch. Like, he says, no, I'm still texting and calling Michaela's phone daily, praying she'll pick up.

• 28:09Garrett Moreland?

  Nice. That's what I'm talking about. Good job, dude.

• 28:13Payton Moreland?

  Also, like, I don't know, just like pat yourself on the back for continuing to call when that's like a very normal thing people go through.

• 28:20Garrett Moreland?

  Your wife's missing. I'm glad you're calling her and texting.

• 28:22Payton Moreland?

  And like bragging about it.

• 28:25Garrett Moreland?

  What a guy.

• 28:26Payton Moreland?

  And he posts on Facebook claiming, quote, "She means the world to me. She literally is the backbone of our family. I love her deeply. She's a good woman and a great mom." Which is why on day three of the search effort, Lieutenant Black calls Frank in for additional questioning. Playing the good cop, she caters to his feelings, saying, I know how upset you must be. And his story does stay pretty consistent. Michaela left on this date. She never made it home. So without enough evidence, Lieutenant Black is forced to let him go for now. Though it's around this same time that the police get some information back on Michaela's cellphone data. The report shows her phone last pinged a tower within a three mile radius of her home.

• 29:11Payton Moreland?

  Meaning wherever she went with this phone, it likely wasn't far, or at least her cellphone didn't travel far.

• 29:19Payton Moreland?

  Now unfortunately, clues were proving really hard to come by in this case. There really wasn't a shred of evidence showing where Michaela had gone or who she left with during those first few days of the investigation. Until her mom Barbara shared some pretty shocking details with police. Barbara claims she was crawling through the brush on the property around day three of the search when according to her, she had a premonition. She claims it was like Michaela's voice had appeared in her head and whispered something to her. Quote, "Mama, I'm in a tin horn."

• 30:01Payton Moreland?

  Now Barbara could sense that whatever this experience was, it was critical to the investigation. It wasn't just a thought or a theory. She claims this is mother's intuition. This is divine messaging. A mother's intuition telling her that's where they needed to search. Now, if you don't know, tin horns are those metal or plastic culvert pipes that you see directing water to flow underneath roads to keep them from flooding.

• 30:27Garrett Moreland?

  Are they called tin horns?

• 30:29Payton Moreland?

  Tin horns. And it seemed like there were quite a few of these in the area. So from that point on, Barbara begins checking every single one that she comes across. She tells the police, but she's also like, I'm just gonna start checking all of the ones in town. Specifically wading through creek beds and canals to see if there's any sign of her daughter. And unfortunately, there isn't until day five of the investigation.

• 30:57Garrett Moreland?

  Holy crap. All right, let's hear this.

• 30:59Payton Moreland?

  Now that afternoon, September 20th, 2023, Michaela's cousin is out searching for her along with basically the rest of the town. She and a friend are about a half a mile away from Michaela's house when they are just hit with this horrible smell. And they kind of keep following the scent down a trail, which eventually brings them right to a tin horn.

• 31:27Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 31:27Payton Moreland?

  And there, along the opening, they see a human hand sticking out

• 31:33Garrett Moreland?

  No way.

• 31:34Payton Moreland?

  of a rolled up piece of carpet. So they're searching for a body at this point. So they immediately called 911 to say, hey, we're pretty sure we just found Michaela.

• 31:44Garrett Moreland?

  Hmm, I always wondered. Like putting a body somewhere where it's eventually going to be found.

• 31:52Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 31:52Garrett Moreland?

  You know what I'm saying? Like it's not like it was in the bottom of the ocean like, or they tried to like hide it like they put it somewhere where like rolled up in a carpet.

• 32:01Payton Moreland?

  Also like.

• 32:03Garrett Moreland?

  What? You know what I'm saying?

• 32:05Payton Moreland?

  I'm just gonna speak broadly here. If you are the killer and you hear that Barbara, the mom goes to police and says she's in a tin horn.

• 32:15Garrett Moreland?

  That you think you move it.

• 32:16Payton Moreland?

  Like, well, just imagine the like, how?

• 32:20Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 32:20Payton Moreland?

  How did she know that?

• 32:21Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I know. A hundred percent. Yeah.

• 32:23Payton Moreland?

  Within minutes, police are there to confirm inside that rolled up carpet is in fact, the deceased body of thirty year old Michaela. She is wearing a red T-shirt, which had intentionally been pulled up over her head to conceal her face. She isn't wearing any pants or underwear, but she still has on one sock with little teddy bears on it.

• 32:48Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 32:49Payton Moreland?

  It's just these little details that just go to show like.

• 32:52Garrett Moreland?

  Hate it. So sad.

• 32:54Payton Moreland?

  You're just a normal human. You're just a normal, good human.

• 32:59Garrett Moreland?

  It's so sad.

• 33:01Payton Moreland?

  And it's clear that she has been shot at least twice in the head before her killer wrapped her up and left her there.

• 33:07Garrett Moreland?

  And the bullet was?

• 33:09Payton Moreland?

  There's more to the story than the bullet.

• 33:11Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 33:11Payton Moreland?

  Let me get there. We obviously know there's no denying that Michaela's cause of death is the two gunshot wounds to her head, but the autopsy reveals more. One in the front and one on the left side, including a third which had grazed her head. And from what I could gather, it didn't appear as though they found evidence of sexual assault, despite the fact she was dressed that that way. But at this point, Lieutenant Black feels pretty sure that she knows who is responsible. Not only did police find the gun in the home that matched the bullet wounds.

• 33:44Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, was it twenty-two?

• 33:45Payton Moreland?

  Yes.

• 33:46Garrett Moreland?

  Dang, I'm wrong.

• 33:48Payton Moreland?

  You didn't think it was?

• 33:50Garrett Moreland?

  I just find it unlikely with that type of gun. I mean, obviously possible with any gun.

• 33:55Payton Moreland?

  What's the 22?

• 33:57Garrett Moreland?

  It's like, here, I'll show you a picture real quick.

• 33:59Payton Moreland?

  I mean, I should, after doing this many cases, probably know what a 22 looks like. I feel like it's like small.

• 34:06Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, so here's like a 22. It's like a lot of times 22s can be.

• 34:09Payton Moreland?

  Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 34:11Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, it's like a long rifle, which I mean, yeah, it's possible, but just like, out of all things, it surprises me. I'm pretty sure there is 22s in like, certain types of handguns, almost positive, but I've always known it to be like a rifle.

• 34:22Payton Moreland?

  I think if we were like in a city, a 22 would seem a little more unlikely to me, but I think because we are in country and a lot of people might have rifles in their homes, maybe it's not that weird as a murder weapon.

• 34:37Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, they're just usually, I'm trying to figure out how to use the right words, like it's.

• 34:41Payton Moreland?

  Cause it's just the caliber bullet, right?

• 34:43Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, but like a lot of people will use it for like.

• 34:47Payton Moreland?

  Like multiple guns can be 22 caliber, because it's just the type of ammo.

• 34:52Garrett Moreland?

  Correct. No, it's just like usually like a rifle, it's 22 is like, like they're obviously dangerous because it's a gun, but like a lot of kids or people who are younger will learn to like shoot rifles with the 22.

• 35:03Payton Moreland?

  What did he want on A Christmas Story, Ralphie?

• 35:05Garrett Moreland?

  Well, he had a BP gun.

• 35:06Payton Moreland?

  He wanted a BB gun and they made it that big of a deal?

• 35:09Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, it was a BB gun. I'm pretty sure it's a BB gun.

• 35:11Payton Moreland?

  Probably.

• 35:12Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, and he's like, shoot your eye out.

• 35:16Payton Moreland?

  But I'm just like a BB gun.

• 35:17Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 35:18Payton Moreland?

  In my hometown, there were four-year-olds carrying BB guns around all day long.

• 35:22Garrett Moreland?

  It's crazy. I had a paint, I had a paintball gun.

• 35:25Payton Moreland?

  Really?

• 35:26Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 35:26Payton Moreland?

  That's crazy.

• 35:28Garrett Moreland?

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• 38:11Payton Moreland?

  you and it helps support the show. Simply Safe, ahead of crime and in real time. So. The bullet wounds match that caliber of gun. And Lieutenant Black has also been speaking to the family a little bit more, just trying to learn more about Michaela in the last, you know, five-ish days. And the family have all kind of told her a lot of what Frank has been saying to the police when like, the family learns what he's been saying seems like a lie. Turns out, according to her family, there was no open relationship between Frank and Michaela. Michaela, they think never would have agreed to do something like that, especially because they said it was actually Frank's affairs that led to this break or separation in the first place.

• 38:57Payton Moreland?

  In fact, Michaela had already spoken to Frank about getting divorced, according to her family. She didn't want to stay with him and keep their arrangement flexible. She wanted out. And the one thing that kept her on the same property as Frank were his daughters, who she loved and cared for. And also, this infidelity was nothing new, by the way. Michaela had learned that Frank started cheating on her almost right after they moved in together. Whenever he would go out of town for work, he would fire up the old dating apps and meet some locals. So about three months before her death, according to her family, Michaela finally packed a bag and went to her sister's house for a week. But she felt she needed to go back to the house eventually for Frank's girls.

• 39:40Payton Moreland?

  And that's when she decided to move to the shed so she could still be a part of the family. Maybe see if they could like work on things after this week break. But according to her, Frank kept cheating. And then about two days before Michaela went missing, she confronted Frank.

• 39:57Garrett Moreland?

  You know, it's kind of funny, the amount of people who will be like, oh yeah, we're in an open relationship. And then you learn more about it and it's like, no.

• 40:04Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 40:05Garrett Moreland?

  No, we would know. We never were in an open relationship.

• 40:07Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 40:08Garrett Moreland?

  Anyways.

• 40:09Payton Moreland?

  Now, she actually recorded their conversation.

• 40:13Payton Moreland?

  And so we have like actual quotes of this. She said, "I've never once been dead set for divorce until today. I'm just saying that you have officially lost me. I'm stating to you right now that you have officially broke the last string that was holding me to you and you have nobody to blame but yourself for doing it." And then by the weekend, Michaela was dead.

• 40:35Garrett Moreland?

  That's insane, dude. What an absolute monster.

• 40:38Payton Moreland?

  Which sounds a lot different than we had in open.

• 40:40Garrett Moreland?

  It's just such an ego. It's just.

• 40:43Payton Moreland?

  If I can't have you, no one can.

• 40:44Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I hate that. I hate when that happens.

• 40:47Payton Moreland?

  Now, you know what?

• 40:49Garrett Moreland?

  Freaking annoying.

• 40:50Payton Moreland?

  Frank didn't miss a beat. He texted one of the women he was talking to almost immediately after Michaela went missing. He even sent a picture to a woman in his tux saying this is one that he'd gotten for Michaela's funeral. Keep in mind, this was like before her body was found. So this gets Lieutenant Black and her colleagues wondering, what was the relationship really like with this woman that he's talking to? This is his ex-girlfriend. If you remember, this is the one he said was abusive toward him and his younger girls, the one he told Michaela he needed to escape from when they first got together and that was like part of the reason he moved in so fast. They look her up. Her name is Crystal and the more she talks

• 41:33Payton Moreland?

  to police, the more they realize, wow, Frank is a pretty manipulative guy because Crystal said Frank was abusive towards her, not the other way around. She said one time she woke up from a deep sleep to find Frank standing over her with handcuffs. There was another time when he was choking her in her sleep and he controlled her every move, tried to cut her off from her own friends and family. It was just kind of textbook behavior. Now, shockingly, she said, early on in their relationship, he used the same woe is me story to get her in his clutches. He told Crystal, the woman he was currently seeing was abusing him and his daughters and he needed to get out for safety. Apparently, this is like his pattern.

• 42:18Payton Moreland?

  She never reported the incident, but she was able to walk away from the situation with her life. But Michaela never seemed to tell anyone her full experience either. Her mother Barbara really appeared to beat herself up over this. She admitted there were times when she did see bruises on Michaela, or maybe since there was some manipulation happening in the marriage that was kind of toxic. But Michaela never admitted to it and she would just say things like she was roughhousing with the kids. It wasn't until later, looking back on the situation, she's now dead, that her family was like, maybe there's more to the story here. But now that the entire town knew the unspoken truth, that Frank Byers was basically suspect number one, everyone was turning against him.

• 43:02Payton Moreland?

  When Michaela's school that she worked for held a vigil for her, Frank was banned from attending. People even blocked his view with their trucks to make sure he couldn't like view from afar. But Frank couldn't seem to keep his mouth shut about this case. He kept going on social media, defending himself, insisting he was innocent. Truth would reveal itself in time. He went on the local news at one point and said this quote.

• 43:24Speaker 05

  Even today, I called her. I mean,

• 43:29Speaker 05

  I know she's not here, but

• 43:33Speaker 05

  it's just a fact that I have her number still and her phone's still on somewheres. And it would have been nice to stay her voice.

• 43:44Payton Moreland?

  He's just like, he thinks a call.

• 43:46Garrett Moreland?

  What a weird guy.

• 43:48Payton Moreland?

  The most sacrificial thing a man can do for a woman is call her phone.

• 43:53Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 43:54Payton Moreland?

  So he says, it's just, it would have been nice to hear her voice. So as you can imagine, there were a lot of people close to the case who were getting frustrated with the lack of progress. They're like, hey, everyone knows who did it. Like, everyone knows he's out here living his life.

• 44:08Garrett Moreland?

  There's no, I mean, actually, yeah, I mean, if the bullet matches the gun, like what else or matches, what else to, I mean, okay.

• 44:16Payton Moreland?

  So to be fair, Lieutenant Black was annoyed by this too. The problem was even though everyone felt like Frank was guilty, they just didn't feel like they had enough to make an arrest. I mean, it's not even a match. It's a match of the like. The type of, you know, so that was not

• 44:32Garrett Moreland?

  It's just a bullet.

• 44:32Payton Moreland?

  Right.

• 44:33Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 44:34Payton Moreland?

  That wasn't until detectives uncovered something inside Frank and Michaela's home while executing his search warrant that October. So the first thing they find was some security footage that was also saved on an app on Frank's phone. Now, police think Frank tried to delete the footage, but didn't realize that he was unsuccessful because on that tape, you can see Michaela coming home from work that last day, Friday, September 15.

• 44:58Garrett Moreland?

  So sad.

• 44:59Payton Moreland?

  You know, around her usual time, she comes through the front door. She stays for 14 minutes. During this, it looks like she and Frank are arguing and then Michaela leaves and Frank is seen standing at the door like he's going to follow her. Now, the police think this wasn't the moment Michaela got in the car on a date with another man. Instead, they believe Frank actually followed her out back to the shed where she was staying. So she didn't even go on a date.

• 45:26Garrett Moreland?

  And then killed her.

• 45:27Payton Moreland?

  She went out back to the shed. He followed her and killed her in her shed in cold blood.

• 45:33Garrett Moreland?

  Insane.

• 45:34Payton Moreland?

  Now, from there, the evidence kept mounting because police discovered that Michaela's cellphone, the missing cellphone that he keeps calling, was actually still inside the family home hidden in a drawer.

• 45:47Garrett Moreland?

  You've got to be, you're a little lying.

• 45:49Payton Moreland?

  Also, the SIM card had been removed. This random man who took her on a date broke back into the home, removed the SIM card.

• 45:57Garrett Moreland?

  Honestly, it just goes to show how dumb this guy is.

• 46:00Payton Moreland?

  Also.

• 46:00Garrett Moreland?

  Like an absolute, just idiot. What an idiot. What an idiot.

• 46:05Payton Moreland?

  So the SIM card was removed and put into a different phone. And the reason for this was you could then get into it without a passcode.

• 46:13Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 46:14Payton Moreland?

  Then he was using it to fake the conversation he allegedly had with Michaela the night she disappeared when she went on her date.

• 46:22Garrett Moreland?

  Got it.

• 46:23Payton Moreland?

  The one where she messaged him saying, I'm fine, back off. By the way, around the same time, might I add that these texts were coming in from the phone that's in a different SIM, from the SIM card that's now in a different phone in the house. Frank was texting another woman with his own phone saying, quote, "I'm not getting back with Michaela. I'm willing to do anything and everything I possibly can to make sure you are secure in this." He's sending a text to a woman.

• 46:50Garrett Moreland?

  After he just killed his wife?

• 46:52Payton Moreland?

  While faking these messages.

• 46:56Payton Moreland?

  But there's more. We have a Walmart receipt that is found from a purchase made the day Michaela went missing. A mop, bleach, ammonia, everything you would need to clean up a crime scene. And Frank was caught on security footage at the Walmart making this purchase. And then you have the carpet, the one Michaela's body was found in.

• 47:15Garrett Moreland?

  You can always kind of Walmart for security footage.

• 47:18Payton Moreland?

  The police ask around about this carpet. A neighbor comes forward. They say, that's the same one I gave to Michaela and Frank for their dogs eight or nine months ago. So we know it was in their, their property. But let's talk about the bullet, the one that grazed Michaela's head. That was actually found in the wall of the shed Michaela was staying in, still wrapped in her hair, which basically confirms that the shooting happened and they're not on a date with a random guy. They weren't able to get DNA confirmation on the hair, but they did find their smoking gun somewhere else. Frank's work boots had been collected as evidence the night he filed the missing persons report.

• 47:59Payton Moreland?

  Initially, they spotted something on them they believe could be blood, but they also knew that Frank worked with chemicals. Thirty-eight days after Michaela was last seen alive, police got results back. The substance on the boots was blood and it was Michaela's DNA. On October 24th, 2023, thirty-nine days after Michaela was last seen, a SWAT team surrounded Frank's home. He was placed under arrest and later charged with first degree murder, unauthorized removal of a dead body, and desecration of a human corpse. The district attorney really wanted the death penalty for Frank, but the defense proposed a deal, plead guilty and serve life without parole instead. And that is

• 48:41Payton Moreland?

  what thirty-four-year-old Frank did. On January 31st, 2025, he pleaded guilty to his crimes. But Michaela's family was far from satisfied with this outcome. Her mother Barbara said she thought the deal was a total cop-out and justice hadn't been served. Because she and others think Frank didn't do this alone. Barbara does not believe that Frank had the strength to move the body into his truck by himself. In fact, she's gonna go to her grave saying there was an accomplice.

• 49:12Garrett Moreland?

  I mean, I don't, I don't doubt that at all.

• 49:15Payton Moreland?

  And as for Lieutenant Black, she's not ruling it out either. She's like, yes, moving this body would have been pretty tough. But people do pretty incredible things when they're scared and they have adrenaline.

• 49:25Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, that part's true too.

• 49:26Payton Moreland?

  But if there's one thing we've learned from this story, it's that Barbara's instincts have been right before. So they could be right about this too. If you have any tips or information regarding Michaela's case, you can contact the sheriff's office at 405-273-1727. And in the meantime, Barbara's chosen to reframe the way Michaela's remembered. She has since started a foundation in her daughter's name called Michaela's Purple Butterfly.

• 49:53Garrett Moreland?

  No.

• 49:53Payton Moreland?

  To help people get out of situations with intimate partner abuse. And if you or someone you know is a victim of domestic violence, you can contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 1-800-799-7233. And that is the story of Michaela Maeve.

• 50:12Garrett Moreland?

  Once again, I feel like this just happened last week. You never know somebody. The fact that you can be married to someone who will kill someone.

• 50:21Payton Moreland?

  And like be texting a woman at the same time.

• 50:23Garrett Moreland?

  Not kill someone, kill you.

• 50:25Payton Moreland?

  It's the weirdest cognitive dissonance.

• 50:27Garrett Moreland?

  Do people really not show signs or is it just that? I don't know.

• 50:32Payton Moreland?

  I mean, he seemed to kind of have a pattern with this behavior.

• 50:36Garrett Moreland?

  That's horrible.

• 50:37Payton Moreland?

  Horrible. All right, you guys, thank you for listening to this week's episode or watching, and we will see you next time with another one. I love it.

• 50:45Garrett Moreland?

  And I hate it.

• 50:46Payton Moreland?

  Goodbye.

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