The Only Two Numbers That Decide If Your Business Survives | Ep 985

Download your free personalized $100M scaling roadmap in under 30 seconds: https://www.acquisition.com/roadmap?el=yt-alex-486r&htrafficsource=youtube Methods expire, but models remain the same. In this episode, Alex breaks down the only ratio that determines whether a business lives or dies, scales or stalls. He demonstrates how to calculate it, why it must be adjusted as the team and operations scale, and how ignoring it will kill cash flow before anything else. In this episode 00:00 Why models beat methods in business 01:11 The two numbers that matter most 04:15 How to calculate LTV and CAC 08:19 Target LTV/CAC ratios by automation More Value: Book Your Spot At The Live Scaling Workshop In Las Vegas: https://www.acquisition.com/o-vegas Get the $100M Book Bundle: https://shop.acquisition.com/pages/100m-book-bundle Watch My Latest Episodes on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AlexHormozi/featured Learn How to Scale Your Business to Millions in Revenue: https://www.acquisition.com/ Discover The Easiest Business I Can Help You Start (Free Trial): https://www.skool.com/hormozi Additional Free Books and Video Courses: https://www.acquisition.com/training DISCLOSURE: Information shared here is for educational purposes only. Individuals and business owners should evaluate their own business strategies and identify any potential risks. The information shared here is not a guarantee of success. Your results may vary. Copyright © 2026.

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• 0:00Alex Hormozi?

  I've been in business for 14 years. I have a portfolio of companies that last year did over $250 million in aggregate revenue. And if I just start over from scratch today, this is the most important concept to learn, right? And so I want to be clear, this is not a tactic, it's not a funnel, it's actually a ratio. And once you understand it, you'll never really see business the same way again. And the way I like to think about this is that there's a lot of people out in the marketplace who talk about different methods. But what this is, is about a better model. And the thing is, is that methods expire. Methods are like one-trick ponies. Like you figure out a new DM hack, you figure out a new way to get your content to go viral with a new hashtag, whatever, right? Those are methods, those are tiny tactics, but those change all the time. The things that endure are the models, the economics of the business itself, right?

• 0:44Alex Hormozi?

  And so that is the engine that fuels everything. And so everyone likes to talk about marketing, content, branding, et cetera. But none of it matters if you run out of money. And so let's think about the number one rule of business is don't go out of business. And so what's the thing that prevents you from going out of business? Cash flow. And so if you can manage your cash flow, then you can basically stay in business forever. You can continue to play the game. So coming back to the number one most important business concept, this is what you need to know. Number one is what, what's a customer worth to you over 30 days? Now, the reason I limit it to 30 days is because that's typically as long as most small businesses can handle from a cash flow perspective, as in like you're willing to

• 1:28Alex Hormozi?

  pay money, wait 30 days to get it back. That's also because that's the interest-free time period where people will give you money for no interest. Credit cards are interest-free for the first 30 days. And so you basically are limited by your ability to get credit if you actually had no money. But if you do have some money, then still you want to recover it back within the first 30 days. That's a rule of thumb. Now, the second thing is, okay, we know what a customer is worth to us. We know what gross profit, how much we're going to make from them after we pay the cost of delivering whatever it is that we sell. The next is, what's a customer?

• 1:58Alex Hormozi?

  Cost me. Now, what I'll be clear here is I'm not talking about cost me to deliver. I'm saying, what does it cost me to get them? So what do I have to spend in marketing, in advertising, in content, in sales commissions to get a customer in the door? And you have to know these two numbers, number one and number two. And ideally, number one is greater than number two. Right? Like, we want to make sure we're making more money from customers than it costs us to make it. And the thing is, is if you don't understand your business math, you will continue to blame other things. Right? You'll continue to blame your methods. Oh, Facebook doesn't work for me. Oh, outbound doesn't work for me. Oh, content doesn't work for me. Well, imagine you're in this scenario, right? Is it actually an issue with Facebook ads? Is it the ads that aren't working?

• 2:42Alex Hormozi?

  Is it the method that's not working? Or is it the model? You have a model issue. If you could make hypothetically a billion dollars from a customer, you could spend 12 cents to reach every single person on earth. And just try to get one customer. That would be a business that could probably spend a lot of money. Real quick, I have a gift for you. This is the hundred million dollar scaling roadmap. It's something that my team and I put 200 plus hours into building. And breaking the stages of scaling into 10 steps. All right. And so what we did is we broke down everything that got us, basically got us stuck. And what we did to break free at each level of the business. And if you'd like to know what product, marketing, sales, customer service, IT, recruiting, human resources and finance look like at the stage that you're currently at, this is a free gift. So all you have to do is go to akquison.com/roadmap.

• 3:27Alex Hormozi?

  You can plug in your business information. And if you want our help, you want my help to help you break through whatever level of scaling you're at. This is not a promise. I'm just saying I'd love to help. On the thank you page, you can book a call. Every month, we have a workshop out here at my headquarters. You actually talk to my real team that does, does our marketing, does our emails, does our ads, does our copy, does our, does our, does our sales, does our finance, does our recruiting. The real people are doing this at a very high level. And what's really cool about that is that they can typically find and spot what the constraints are in a business like that. And so it's one of the most valuable things that I could possibly do. Obviously, you know, space is limited based on our actual headquarters. But if that's interesting, on the thank you page, you can book a call. No pressure. This is a gift either way. It's absolutely free. Now, I've been, I've been, I've been hiding the, the, the real words for this.

• 4:09Alex Hormozi?

  But thankfully, business actually has a term for this, which is the lifetime gross profit.

• 4:16Alex Hormozi?

  Which is LTGP. Sometimes people refer to this as LTV or CLV, Customer Lifetime Value, Lifetime Value. All of these more or less mean the same thing. What's the amount of money you make after you spend whatever you gotta spend in delivering for the customer? What's the extra cash on top? If you, they pay you a hundred bucks, it costs you 20 to deliver a sandwich, 80 bucks is your gross profit. They do that 10 times, $800 is the lifetime gross profit. All right, now, what's a customer cost me? This is CAC, this is cost of acquiring customer. That's what that stands for, all right? So, this is our ratio of LTV to CAC. Here we go. Now, if you can do this math for yourself, and I'll give you the back of napkin way of looking at this, because you're probably like, I don't track this stuff, and that's okay.

• 4:58Alex Hormozi?

  Look at what you spent in marketing for all of last year. Okay, so do a whole year, very simple. You can just look at the line item, what'd you spend in advertising? What'd you spend in labor that's associated with it? So you might have a videographer, you're a contractor, you might've spent some money on ads, you might've spent some money in commissions, everything that it takes to cost to get a customer, okay? All of those costs, you add them together, and then you look at how many new customers did I get last year? Maybe you got 100 customers, and let's say it cost you $100,000. Okay, so that means it costs you $1,000 per customer. Okay, this should make sense. That gives you how much your CAC is, and the nice thing is that CAC's the easiest one to calculate. You just literally look at your cost divided by customers, that's it. I'll give you the back of napkin simplest way to do it, which is revenue divided by number of total customers.

• 5:43Alex Hormozi?

  Now, I want to be clear. This is going to give us our lifetime revenue. We still have to look at our gross profit here. So we would just multiply that number by gross profits. And if you're not sure what your gross profits are, if it costs you 20 bucks to make a sandwich, and you charge 100 bucks, then your gross profit is 80, meaning 80%. All right, so you'd multiply that number by 80%, and that's what your lifetime gross profit's gonna be. So I'll also give you the simplest way to do gross profit. So I'm giving you the back of napkin, quick and dirty ways, but you know what's interesting that I've found is that the back of napkin way, when you do it over an extended period of time, tends to be the most accurate, because it takes, you don't have these good months and bad months, it actually gives you a more accurate picture of your business, all right? So the way you do it is you look at total costs of goods,

• 6:28Alex Hormozi?

  which some people call COGS, all right? Or cost of delivery, if you have a service. So it's like, if you have a bunch of reps, and you have some software that you use to deliver, or you've got some contractors that you deliver some stuff, whatever it costs you to deliver for all customers for the whole year, divided by number of customers. That's it. So that'll give you what your cost per customer is. And so if we then take our lifetime revenue,

• 6:56Alex Hormozi?

  subtract our cost per customer, then we'll get our lifetime value. All right, which is the gross profit per customer. And that's like a very real way of doing that. So we have, you know, two variables, simple divisions with some simple subtraction. All right, so this is not intimidating math. And if this intimidates you, I would encourage you to get over it. Because this is, this is, this is not even, this is third grade math. I don't know when they teach multiplication, division, but I think it's around third grade. All right, it's not a lot. Okay, like you can do this. Like literally, all you have to do is just add up, just add up the line item at the end of your bookkeeping, because your bookkeeper probably does this. Just look at your advertising total, look at your sales commission total, look at your, your payroll total for everything else that's not marketing and sales related.

• 7:38Alex Hormozi?

  And then you add all that stuff up together and you look at how many customers you have in total that are active. And then you divide it. And so the end result here is that you're going to have an LTV number, a lifetime gross profit number, whatever it is. And you're going to have a CAC number on average for the last year. Now ideally, you want the ratio between these numbers to be as big as possible. Now, I'm going to give you three kind of considerations for this. Many of the people in the software world, the very smart Silicon Valley people, talk about a rule of thumb of three to one, which is you want to make sure that you're making at least $3 in gross profit per customer for every dollar it costs to get them. Okay. Now, having done business for a while now, that is only true under the conditions where you have all three elements of business that are automated.

• 8:23Alex Hormozi?

  And you're like, what are the, what are the components of business? Basically, lead generation has to be automated. Conversion has to be automated, so sales, how are you going to get people to, to give you money? All right, and then you have delivery or fulfillment. These are the three components that have to be automated. If all three are automated, yes, three to one works. Now, if two of the three are automated, right? So let's say this one isn't automated, this one is, and this one is. Then I think you change that to about six to one. Now, if two of them are not automated and only one of them is, I think you change that to nine to one. It's at minimum. And then finally, if all three are not automated, meaning you have people at every one of these steps in the process, you need to be at over twelve to one. Now, you might be like, wow, that's a lot different than what I have.

• 9:09Alex Hormozi?

  Right, and that's why we need to improve it, which is what I'm gonna talk about next. Now, you might hear this and then wonder like, wait, what degree is this, this like the checks and the X's? What does that even mean? Okay. So, lead gen, something that's high leverage would be like making content. That's one to many. Running ads, one to many. Those are things that would qualify to me as being high leverage. It's not one person, you don't have manual labor that's really installed there in order, you're not limited by human. Now, if you're doing manual outreach in order to get customers, you would be limited there. Right? If you have viral coefficient, it's all word of mouth and it's compounding, that has high leverage. Right? So, if you're doing outreach as your primary way of getting customers, well, there's nothing wrong with doing that, to be clear. But if you do a manual process, then you're gonna have an X here.

• 9:54Alex Hormozi?

  So, it's gonna mean you're gonna have to increase your LTV to CAC ratio. Now, if you're like, why do I have to do this? The reason that this ratio has to increase is because there's a number of costs that the business incurs as you scale. So, number one is, the cost of getting new customers is actually gonna go up as you go to colder and colder markets. Cost of getting a customer, believe it or not, always goes up over time. So, you might, whatever you have today, believe it or not, is likely going to be the best cost per product customer you're ever gonna get. All right, because CPMs go up over time, this is a fact of life. More competitors into the marketplace, this is a fact of life. And even if neither of those things are true, and you just went into colder and colder markets, as in you scaled up your advertising, you're gonna reach people that the algorithm thinks are slightly less likely than the first people that they displayed your ads to, which means it's gonna cost more because it's gonna have to show it to more eyeballs to get the same number of conversions.

• 10:39Alex Hormozi?

  So, it's gonna cost you more per customer. You're going up the interest graph, right? You're going up to kind of the normal curve of people who are less and less interested as you go colder and colder and spend more and more. That's number one. The second reason that this is important is that you're gonna put in layers of infrastructure in your business. You're gonna have levels of management, and these things, although they suck, still add cost to businesses as it scales. And so, you're gonna need some padding in terms of your lifetime gross profit to be able to afford this level of scaling. And typically, customers that come in later are less sold on the idea and sometimes are worth less. So they actually end up spending less money over time. And so all of these reasons kind of compound together. And the last one, which is so important when it comes to this X mark, is that when you have people in every one of these processes,

• 11:21Alex Hormozi?

  whenever you hit a point of kind of saturation, you've hit the capacity of, let's say, your sales team. Let's say you've got five guys that are proficient, they do well. Well, at some point, you're going to have to scale your sales. And so you're going to bring a sixth person in or a seventh person in. But that new sales guy is not going to be as good as the first five. It's going to take time for them to get good, for them to get on-ramped. Same thing when it comes to marketing. You're going to have to have a new marketer who's going to come in. He's not going to be as good at making content. He's going to have to get reps. Same thing on delivery. You might have some star account reps on the backend that do some level of service delivery. And you're going to have to bring somebody else up to speed. But the thing is, is the business has to incur that cost immediately day one and doesn't always get the return on that for a few months. And so if you're at three to one, and then you have these, all of a sudden, imagine this, you're at three to one, but then you have to bring in a new marketer, you have to bring in new salespeople, and you have to bring in new account reps.

• 12:05Alex Hormozi?

  Well, all of your metrics are going to suffer, which means all of a sudden, you're going to go from barely being profitable to probably not being profitable at all. And so we have to have this, these increases for each level of manual that enters the business in terms of manual labor, so that we have padding and cushion for cash flow in order to scale. Because the number one rule of business is you have to, you can stay in business as long as you've got money. That's the rule. And so we have to make sure economics of the business support the fact that we're going to have inefficiencies as we scale and it's going to be lumpy. Right? We have to bring in a whole bunch of new sales guys. Our conversion rates are going to tank. But we have to have the business economics, the model to support that. Because if the only way your business works is that you're selling, you're never going to scale. You have to fix the model.