320. The Masked Killer - The Murder of Kenneth Fandrich

On this episode, Payton and Garrett dive into the murder of Kenneth Fandrich. What starts as strange behavior and unwanted attention slowly escalates into stalking, leaving investigators to unravel just how far someone was willing to go for love. Links: Netflix Video Every Monday @11am PST, 12pm MST, 2pm EST 1pm CST https://www.netflix.com/murderwithmyhusband Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kenneth-fandrich-oregon-murder-steven-milner-veterinarian-security-video-masked-killer/ Mirror.co.uk - https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/im-vet-tools-chop-you-36291023 KPTV.com - https://www.kptv.com/2025/02/19/deranged-murderer-former-oregon-city-veterinarian-sentenced-2023-murder-intel-campus/ Medium.com - https://medium.com/@crimedesk/beneath-the-mask-the-obsessive-veterinarian-who-orchestrated-a-calculated-parking-garage-murder-193299733843 OregonLive.com - https://www.oregonlive.com/washingtoncounty/2025/02/deranged-murderer-who-killed-ex-lovers-husband-at-intel-gets-life-sentence.html SacBee.com - https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article300603819.html Koin.com - https://www.koin.com/local/washington-county/former-oregon-city-veterinarian-who-killed-ex-lovers-husband-receives-life-sentence/ MovieDelic.com - https://moviedelic.com/tanya-fandrich/ People.com - https://people.com/veterinarian-had-affair-married-woman-killed-her-husband-8781679 HolmansFuneralService.com - https://www.holmansfuneralservice.com/obituaries/Kenneth-Carl-Fandrich?obId=29758084 WashingtonCountyDA.org - https://washingtoncountyda.org/da/news/2025/01/23/jury-finds-steven-neil-milner-guilty-murder-case WWeek.com - https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2025/11/23/bizarre-stalking-and-murder-case-ends-with-12-million-settlement/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:51Payton Moreland?

  You're listening to an Ono Media Podcast. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder with My Husband. I'm Payton Moreland.

• 0:58Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm Garrett Moreland.

• 0:58Payton Moreland?

  And he's the husband.

• 0:59Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm the husband. Happy Monday. Welcome back. Glad to be here. Thank you for watching. Thank you for listening. Thank you for supporting us.

• 1:08Payton Moreland?

  Thank you for your five star review.

• 1:09Garrett Moreland?

  Thank you for, thank you for being great, honestly. Um, yeah, I have a couple of things I want to go over. So no announcements, right? Any announcements?

• 1:21Payton Moreland?

  No. If you're watching on Netflix, I apologize for my appearance. I just woke up.

• 1:27Garrett Moreland?

  Peyton looks great. No, Peyton looks great.

• 1:30Payton Moreland?

  I just woke up, okay?

• 1:31Garrett Moreland?

  You look great, babe. You do.

• 1:33Payton Moreland?

  Thank you. Go ahead. What do you got to say?

• 1:37Garrett Moreland?

  If you guys want to hear some good rants, keep listening. If you don't and you're like, Karen's really annoying. I hate the husband, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Then you can fast forward a few minutes. Okay. If you haven't fast forwarded, what?

• 1:49Payton Moreland?

  I'm pretty sure like our last couple of episodes, you've been in your work uniform.

• 1:54Garrett Moreland?

  I'm sure I have.

• 1:55Payton Moreland?

  Look at the flower on his pants from Bagels.

• 1:57Garrett Moreland?

  I have been working from 4am to like 6pm every single day. My head's gonna explode, but I'm here.

• 2:03Payton Moreland?

  Okay, go ahead.

• 2:04Garrett Moreland?

  Because I love true crime. What?

• 2:07Payton Moreland?

  No, you don't.

• 2:08Garrett Moreland?

  Um, okay. I have a couple of rants, a couple of hot takes, a couple of rants. So if you're ready for this, let's get into it. Number one, I'm going to preface this with, I am from the West Coast. I grew up on the West Coast. Okay. Number one, the West Coast is very soft compared to the East Coast.

• 2:27Payton Moreland?

  Hmm. I think that like southern hospitality, we kind of have it. But it's just like.

• 2:34Garrett Moreland?

  We are like, and I'm just gonna, the only reason I say this is because if you're sick of the bagel shop, just give me a second. I won't, there's other stuff I'm going to talk about, but we get some customers that get, I guess, okay, like we're a bagel shop. We're, we're trying to get people in and out fast. We're trying to make good bagels. Um, we're trying to obviously not to be mean to people, but we're just like, hey, what can I get for your order? Awesome. Thank you so much. We'll call your name in a second. Right? I don't know how many people have ever been to the East Coast and gotten bagels in like New York, Boston, just anywhere. I'll just say New York because I feel like that's a good starting point. You go, you go in a bagel shop, what do you want? Cool. Bye. Like it's very boom, boom, boom, boom.

• 3:18Garrett Moreland?

  And you're waiting a second, depending on what bagel shop it is. I've been to a lot of bagel shops in New York. Anyways, all I'm saying is that the West Coast is a little soft and that's okay. But it seems like we, I'll use we because I'm included, expect a lot more hospitality and have a lot more entitlement when it comes to walking into establishments, which is totally fine. That's okay. But people in the East Coast are just like, give me my food. Done. You know what I'm saying?

• 3:47Payton Moreland?

  I, you're saying it's totally fine. And I think it's okay to like want to chat and stuff. I think that wanting to be talkative and, and you know, have that hospitality is fine. I think what's not fine is not having an understanding that like. The food industry is hard.

• 4:06Garrett Moreland?

  Is insane. It's insane. It's, I didn't know until I started working into it. Okay. So I'm sure I'm at fault for this. It is the craziest industry.

• 4:16Payton Moreland?

  See, I worked at a movie theater growing up when I was young. And.

• 4:21Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, equal.

• 4:23Payton Moreland?

  No, I just feel like it sucks to get yelled at.

• 4:26Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 4:27Payton Moreland?

  It sucks to get yelled at when like you're just trying to do your job.

• 4:30Garrett Moreland?

  We're just trying our best and we had a hundred and like 30 customers in 50 minutes today. And it was insane. That's like a customer every 30 seconds that we're trying to get bagels to. And it was just crazy. And I'm sure there's probably a couple of people, maybe that felt like we were being rude. I don't know. I'm sorry. We're just, we're trying our hardest. We're trying to make good bagels. We're trying to get people their food fast. They're not waiting. And I think between the loudness and waiting sometimes 10 minutes for your bagels, which we try not to obviously. But sometimes we run out and we bake them fresh. I think people just get offended and they're like, bad customer service. And you know what? I don't have to tell you. Sorry.

• 5:16Payton Moreland?

  I do think it's just the speed at which you guys try to move people in and out. But that's my thing. I'm like, well, when a line is wrapped around.

• 5:23Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah. When there's like 80 people and it's wrapped around the corner, we're just trying to move.

• 5:27Payton Moreland?

  You gotta move them in and out. You don't want to wait in line for 50 minutes.

• 5:31Garrett Moreland?

  And so anyways, it's been crazy. Thank you for supporting if you've come.

• 5:34Payton Moreland?

  It's a good problem.

• 5:34Garrett Moreland?

  Also, I'm sorry to those, someone tried to take a picture with me the other day. And I was in the ovens because it was just absolutely crazy. And I think they ended up leaving and I'm sorry. Come back. I'll take a picture. Today was just the craziest it's been since we opened. I'm rambling. I'm exhausted, but thank you for coming. Thank you for supporting. And we're going to keep making bagels and we hope it's a great experience for everyone who comes. Because obviously that's the goal. We just want, we want it to be a good experience. We want you to get great bagels. We want it to be fun in there. If it's not fun in there, it's probably because there's so many people right now, but.

• 6:12Payton Moreland?

  I mean, I've worked two Saturdays and I've had a ball.

• 6:16Garrett Moreland?

  It is fun. It just gets insane.

• 6:18Payton Moreland?

  I get to, it is like very fast moving.

• 6:21Garrett Moreland?

  It's very fast moving. It can get loud in there, but if you're okay, just kind of relax in, just.

• 6:25Payton Moreland?

  Enjoying the vibe.

• 6:26Garrett Moreland?

  Enjoying the vibe, not being stressed. It's amazing. I promise.

• 6:30Payton Moreland?

  I get to talk to people. I take pictures with people and it's still like moving pretty fast.

• 6:34Garrett Moreland?

  I think it's just when people are in a hurry, then that's when it can get frustrating and.

• 6:37Payton Moreland?

  I get that too. I mean, there's validity to not wanting to wait 10 minutes for a bagel.

• 6:43Garrett Moreland?

  But usually most people don't. Most people were like, we try to go like two to four minutes max.

• 6:48Payton Moreland?

  Well, it's also like, you know, there's other bagel shops that have frozen bagels so they can pop them in the toaster real quick.

• 6:54Garrett Moreland?

  I mean, don't do frozen bagels. Yeah.

• 6:55Payton Moreland?

  And so ours have to like boil and go in the oven.

• 6:58Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 6:59Payton Moreland?

  I mean, we also have got to a lot, meet a lot of listeners coming into the bagel shop and it's always been just like an amazing fun experience. So thank you to those who have come in and supported and that we've got to me. It has been like unreal and always such a fun experience with you guys.

• 7:16Garrett Moreland?

  She's right. Thank you for helping us. Thank you for watching and supporting. Another, it's not really a hot take. I don't think. But another something else I want to say, I think pizza is the best food in the world. Like I truly, besides bagels, I truly think I could eat pizza every day for the rest of my life. It goes born in the wrong state.

• 7:36Payton Moreland?

  It does sound like you were probably.

• 7:39Garrett Moreland?

  I think I should have grown up in New York. All I love is pizza and bagels.

• 7:45Payton Moreland?

  And fast, and just in and out.

• 7:47Garrett Moreland?

  In fast moving craziness. Like I, I, I thrive off of it.

• 7:52Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 7:53Garrett Moreland?

  Anyways, if you are from New York or you live in New York, I think I was supposed to be born in New York, but I'm not. I was born in California. So opposite ends of the earth. I think they messed up. I think they flip flopped an accident.

• 8:05Payton Moreland?

  You know, your family's very fast moving though, so it's not that shocking that you're, you're similar.

• 8:10Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, that's true. I'm wired because I'm so tired. So let's get into this week's case.

• 8:18Payton Moreland?

  Our sources for this episode are CBSnews.com, mirror.co.uk, KPTV.com, medium.com, oregonlive.com, sacbee.com, coin.com, moviedelic.com, people.com, holman'sfuneralservice.com, washingtoncountyda.org, and wweek.com. We're all human. We all make mistakes from time to time. Some of them might be bigger than others, but mistakes can also be character building. It's how we learn and grow, especially when we take ownership and accountability for those mistakes and we accept the challenge to do better, learn from it, just be better in the future. Can those mistakes still have a profound impact on us? Can they keep us up at night? Sure.

• 9:04Payton Moreland?

  But sometimes it's not even the mistake itself that haunts us. It's who we made those mistakes with. And today I want you to meet 56-year-old Kenneth Kenny Fandrich. Well, we're gonna call him Kenny, who in 2023, so a little more recently, is living with his wife of 30 years, Tanya Fandrich, just outside of Portland, Oregon. Now Kenny had spent much of his life in Oregon. He was born in 1967 and grew up in what was described as a loving household with his parents and two brothers. Now, everyone said that Kenny had an incredible sense of humor,

• 9:48Payton Moreland?

  but also had this really kind and gentle nature about him. This is something that showed from a young age. He loved animals. But Kenny also had some skills and qualities that a lot of other people don't. He had this unique desire for adventure. So after graduating from high school, Kenny moved to Alaska, where he got his diving certification and began working as an underwater welder.

• 10:17Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, I've heard, I've heard so much about underwater welders and I'm sure you guys all have too.

• 10:23Payton Moreland?

  It's like a popular.

• 10:24Garrett Moreland?

  It's pretty, it's pretty amazing, honestly.

• 10:27Payton Moreland?

  Um, he worked on commercial fishing boats as an underwater welder.

• 10:31Garrett Moreland?

  They make good money.

• 10:32Payton Moreland?

  Which I do, again, thinks that, you know, this does explain someone very well. It was an incredibly difficult job, not just because of the skills needed to do it, but Kenny was braving freezing cold temperatures in those Alaskan waters to get the job done. But being outdoors was Kenny's calling. He loved anything that connected him more with nature, whether that was fishing, skiing, snowboarding, hunting, or even just sitting out by the fire on a cold night next to his pets. Which, this is important to get to know Kenny, he fostered and adopted a lot of pets. He had six dogs at one point. But then life in Alaska brought Kenny another unexpected surprise.

• 11:18Payton Moreland?

  It was where a friend introduced him to Tanya, his eventual wife. She worked at his local bank in Dutch Harbor. For their first date, they met up in Tanya's hometown for ice cream over a thousand miles away in Anchorage, Alaska. Now, the two bonded over how much they loved animals and the great outdoors. And after that, the rest was history, okay? Kenny and Tanya fell in love and they got married in 1993. And then three years later, in 1996, that was when the couple decided to pick up and move back to Kenny's home state of Oregon. Now, the plan was for Kenny to move home and start a piping business with his father.

• 12:03Payton Moreland?

  So the couple bought a house along the Willamette River. This is about 12 miles south of Portland. Now, they never had kids, but out in the country, they were happy just raising their dogs, two cats, a pair of goats, and even for a brief period, a baby raccoon. Now, Tanya, she got a job working at a local veterinarian's office and Kenny built his business and eventually joined the union as more and more work came in. And this is kind of how things carried on for the next 27 years for this couple. And by 2023, Kenny was working on a giant project for Intel, who was built-

• 12:45Payton Moreland?

  Being a 2.5 million square foot campus nearby in Hillsboro, Oregon. Now Kenny was installing the piping that kept the heavy machinery cool. So it was a long contract that he had been committed to for some time. And by then he'd built a solid reputation as being reliable and hardworking. Now, on the morning of January 27th, 2023, Kenny took off for another day on the job and he spent the day toiling away. And since it was a Friday, he was probably looking forward to the weekend, a few days of rest back home with his wife and their animals.

• 13:30Payton Moreland?

  Now that afternoon, he clocked out a little after 3pm. He grabbed his things and headed back for his Honda Civic in the parking lot. A few security cameras actually catch glimpses of him leaving work and walking to his car around 3:21pm.

• 13:49Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 13:50Payton Moreland?

  But then a few hours passed and Kenny still hadn't made it home from work. And that was when Tanya began to worry. Now, Tanya had tried to call Kenny a few times that day with no answer. She was really starting to think something was wrong. Her first instinct was to track Kenny on her Find My app. And as soon as she did, she saw Kenny was still at work. And remember, this is a very large site that he is working at. So she notices his dot is particularly in the parking garage of this work site. And when she realized that his dot hadn't moved for quite a while,

• 14:32Payton Moreland?

  Tanya contacted the Hillsboro Police and asked them to do a welfare check. And at the same time, she began making the drive over to the Intel campus herself. Now by the time police get there, it's about 9:00 PM. And when police arrived at the second level of the parking structure, just like Tanya had said, you know, I'm tracking my husband, his dot hasn't moved, can you please meet me there? They found Kenny's black Honda Civic still parked in its parking spot. And when they walk up to the car, they see someone slumped over in the driver's seat. Now at first detectives are like, oh, you know, her husband's probably just taking a nap, probably just passed out, forgot to call his wife.

• 15:17Payton Moreland?

  His lunch bag, his keys, his phone are all sitting in the seat next to him, the passenger seat. But as police get closer and they knock on the window trying to wake him up, they realize there is some discoloration around his neck. And they think his head is sort of twisted at an angle and his hands are kind of folded weirdly in his lap.

• 15:43Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 15:43Payton Moreland?

  And he's not waking up to them knocking on the window. So instead of opening the car door right then and there, they call for backup. And the backup arrived around the same time as Tanya did. And if you're like, why didn't she just drive over her, over there herself? It might be because, as it seems like, she didn't even arrive until the backup arrived. So she was probably farther away from the campus than police were.

• 16:08Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 16:08Payton Moreland?

  She was worried, so she wanted them to get there faster. Now, once backup arrives, they examine the vehicle and they get the door open to examine her husband.

• 16:20Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, good. Having to see that?

• 16:23Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 16:24Garrett Moreland?

  Horrible.

• 16:24Payton Moreland?

  And they determined that Kenny was actually dead in his driver's seat.

• 16:32Garrett Moreland?

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• 16:49Garrett Moreland?

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• 16:55Payton Moreland?

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• 17:26Garrett Moreland?

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• 17:48Payton Moreland?

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• 18:27Payton Moreland?

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• 19:09Payton Moreland?

  It lets them know that you heard about it here and it would mean a ton. Again, if you've never shopped on Quince, go take a look and then let them know Murder with My Husband sent you. Now, of course, Tanya, his wife of over 30 years was absolutely devastated. But the question now was, what had happened to him? There was no blood inside Kenny's car. And to be fair, he's a pretty big, tough guy. He was like six feet tall, 195 pounds. So police are like, this solo man is leaving work and gets attacked and killed in his car? Which was why the police's first instinct was actually to see if he died of natural causes in the car. Was this a heart attack?

• 19:54Payton Moreland?

  Now, the following day detectives had the results of Kenny's autopsy and the results were actually way more shocking. It appeared Kenny was a victim of foul play after all. The coroner wrote that he had died from, quote, blunt compression trauma to his neck.

• 20:13Garrett Moreland?

  Blunt compression? Is that just strangulation?

• 20:16Payton Moreland?

  Yeah. But it's a little bit more extreme. His neck had been broken with so much force that it severed his spine. There was extreme pressure on his neck. Which meant obviously this was not a natural death. The discoloration on the neck that they had originally seen was real. Kenny was attacked violently at his place of work. Investigators, they obviously began looking for clues around the crime scene. One of the first things they do is examine that CCTV footage that I told you existed around the parking garage. Now, it turns out earlier that day at 7:00 AM, something unusual was happening around the parking deck.

• 20:59Payton Moreland?

  A man with a hard hat, a mask, and these red tinted sunglasses was seen walking around spray painting the security cameras. He did this to about six to eight of the cameras, to be exact. And the only thing that can really be made out about the person is that they're white, they are masculine presenting, and they have a distinct crease or wrinkle in their forehead.

• 21:29Payton Moreland?

  Which is like.

• 21:30Garrett Moreland?

  I mean, it's kind of me. I did a video the other day on Instagram. The whole time I was talking like this. I have, I think I have a distinct crease. Anyways.

• 21:42Payton Moreland?

  I'm just like, that's what they noticed.

• 21:44Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, of all things.

• 21:45Payton Moreland?

  I don't know.

• 21:45Garrett Moreland?

  It's got some forehead wrinkles.

• 21:47Payton Moreland?

  Yeah. Now, this person would move around the garage strategically, hiding behind pillars, shielding their face before spray painting another camera. It's literally like Ocean's Eleven up in here.

• 22:02Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 22:02Payton Moreland?

  This, this, this guy walking around. So to the detectives, it looked like this person was familiar with the parking deck and where all the cameras were located. But there's something else seen on the footage before Kenny was killed. Between some of the blue spray paint, the cameras show a maroon minivan parked right next to Kenny's car.

• 22:26Garrett Moreland?

  Of course, it's some, a maroon minivan.

• 22:29Payton Moreland?

  So they notice this minivan parked next to his car right before Kenny was spotted entering the garage at 3:21 PM, which might I say, like whoever is spray painting these cameras isn't doing a very good job because we're still seeing through the spray paint and kind of getting a glimpse of what's happening. So at 3:21, Kenny's walking from work into the garage and there is a maroon minivan parked right next to his Honda Civic. And then a few minutes later, the lights on Kenny's car start flashing almost like he's hitting the fob, like the lock button maybe over and over again.

• 23:10Payton Moreland?

  And then shortly after this, the maroon van pulls out of the parking spot and leaves the parking garage. So we obviously don't see like what's happening. We just see the cars parked and the lights going off. So police wonder, did the person pull Kenny into the maroon car? And attack him and then maybe put him back into his Honda Civic once he was dead? Did the attack happen in the Honda Civic? Except there was no blood. So they're like, I don't know. Who would even want to hurt Kenny? Well, it turns out. Tanya already knew the answer to that question. So as soon as like, police are investigating this as foul play, she offers up something.

• 23:53Payton Moreland?

  And she had given detectives her theory during an interview, the night of Kenny's murder, like, right after they found him.

• 24:01Garrett Moreland?

  If I like, got killed, would you even, would there be any thoughts on like, who wanted to kill Garrett? Like, there's no one that wants to kill me. I could be wrong. Maybe the guy that I kicked out of the bagel shop today?

• 24:14Garrett Moreland?

  I did, I kicked someone out of the bagel shop. It's a story for another time, I'm sorry.

• 24:17Payton Moreland?

  I don't, I wouldn't think like, a listener or like, someone from the bagel shop. I would try to think of someone like, more connected to you, but I don't think anyone has a reason to kill you.

• 24:26Garrett Moreland?

  That I'm saying.

• 24:28Payton Moreland?

  Like, I don't know if I could like, pinpoint a person.

• 24:31Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah. I don't think I know anyone that wants to kill you.

• 24:33Payton Moreland?

  But I could be like, he has a couple ex-girlfriends who've blocked me for no reason.

• 24:37Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, but like, it doesn't warrant a kill, babe. It doesn't warrant someone killing you.

• 24:42Payton Moreland?

  I'd immediately throw them under the bus.

• 24:45Garrett Moreland?

  From like, 16 years ago? That's crazy.

• 24:48Payton Moreland?

  I'd be like, the elementary school girlfriend, yeah, her name.

• 24:52Garrett Moreland?

  Like, I really, I don't know, I don't think I know anyone that would want to kill you too.

• 24:56Payton Moreland?

  Oh, kill me?

• 24:57Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, no, I don't know anyone. That's a good thing.

• 24:59Payton Moreland?

  I'll make a list for you.

• 25:01Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 25:02Payton Moreland?

  So, she reveals something pretty huge to the Hillsboro Police. She says, hey, Kenny actually had a stalker, a very dangerous one, that had been following him for years. And this person had been harassing and threatening Kenny. He had even placed a tracker on Kenny's car. He had snuck around their property under the cover of night. And, Tanya told police, this stalker is all because of her.

• 25:30Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, okay, no, keep going.

• 25:31Payton Moreland?

  So she's like, this person isn't stalking Kenny because of him, it's, it's my fault. So let me rewind the clock a bit, back to the year 2000. This is 23 years earlier. This is about four years after Kenny and Tanya moved to Oregon.

• 25:49Payton Moreland?

  That was when Tanya accepted a new job working at the Milner Veterinary Hospital in Oregon City. Now, at this time, this clinic was brand new, so there was a lot of room to grow. And the opportunity was perfect for Tanya, who, like Kenny, was a huge animal lover. And its main veterinarian, the owner of the company, Steven Milner, quickly became this celebrated person in the community once he opened this place. His animal hospital was seen as one of the best in the area, and Steven's bedside manner was unmatched. Not only would he sit with and console those who had lost or were losing a pet, he would send them thoughtful,

• 26:34Payton Moreland?

  handwritten notes after the fact. One woman said that on the 4th of July, she ran into Steven, who offered to run to his office to get a sedative for her dog, who was freaked out by the fireworks. Another client said Steven made a donation in her late pet's name to Oregon State University. It was just these little details that really made the locals fall in love with Steven. Even his receptionist said he was the best boss she ever had. He was professional, he was kind and generous. And for the next two decades, he continued to run one of the

• 27:11Payton Moreland?

  best animal hospitals in town with Tanya by his side. So technically, if you knew Steven, you definitely knew Tanya. But in 2017, things got a little more complicated between the two of them, because after all these years of working together, Tanya and Steven go from coworkers to something more romantic.

• 27:39Payton Moreland?

  That year, Tanya and Kenny were apparently going through some difficult times. Tanya said Kenny was often away at job sites for days or weeks at a time. And when they were together, they were drinking a lot. She said Kenny had struggled with infidelity through their relationship a few times too. And by 2017, she reached a point where she was lonely and she was seeking attention from someone else. And coincidentally, her boss, Stephen Milner, was newly separated from his wife. So earlier that year, Tanya and Stephen started sneaking around together. Stephen even had a nickname for Tanya, one of those, your dog's first name and then your street name,

• 28:23Payton Moreland?

  which for her equaled Kiki Essex, which is who he start, like he starts referring to Tanya as Kiki, his girlfriend Kiki, to keep things under the radar. Now, a few people at the office obviously start catching on. They're like sensing that something is going on between the two of them. But that got confirmed when many of them attended a wedding together that summer. Tanya went alone that night. She told people Kenny's out of town again. And after a few drinks and a couple of slow dances, Stephen and Tanya in public are getting a little too cozy. Now, before the night was over, it was clear to everyone that they were definitely hooking up.

• 29:05Payton Moreland?

  Apparently, it was even clear to Kenny, who wasn't even at the wedding this night. Now, I don't know who tipped him off or if he just had a hunch. But as the hours ticked by and Tanya didn't come home from the wedding, Kenny suspected that she was at Stephen's. So he drove over there and basically caught them mid affair.

• 29:27Garrett Moreland?

  Also, this is crazy. So you're telling me that he then goes and kills Kenny?

• 29:33Payton Moreland?

  No, I'm just telling you how he got a stalker.

• 29:34Garrett Moreland?

  I know, but I'm just jumping ahead because I assume he kills Kenny and that's nuts.

• 29:39Payton Moreland?

  Yeah. So Kenny catches them. Okay. But rather than make it this huge deal, he kind of leaves, like he leaves it pretty calm. He doesn't say much. And then afterwards, as he's talking to Tanya, and they're talking about their relationship, what they want to do moving forward. Tanya says she realized that she had made a huge mistake. She ended this five month fling. She and Kenny tried hard to work through this. They didn't want to lose each other. But little did she know, this was the beginning of something much, much worse.

• 30:13Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 30:14Payton Moreland?

  So in late 2017, after calling it quits with Steven, the couple received a strange letter. It read, quote, "I should do everyone a favor and go back to drinking myself into my own demise."

• 30:28Garrett Moreland?

  Hmm.

• 30:29Payton Moreland?

  Which like,

• 30:30Garrett Moreland?

  Why?

• 30:30Payton Moreland?

  Okay, Shakespeare.

• 30:32Garrett Moreland?

  Uh huh.

• 30:33Payton Moreland?

  Like, that's just a little dramatic. Now, while the letter was anonymous, Tanya was pretty certain that Steven was behind it. Now, at this point, Tanya talks to Kenny about quitting. She's like, this just seems weird. I'm gonna leave. But after putting in nearly two decades at this job, she just didn't want to walk away so easily. But unfortunately, things only escalated from there. She was hoping that they could both just like call it quits, continue back at work. But over the next year or so, more threatening letters came, and then those turned into mysteriously weird phone calls. And one day, Tanya even got a call from Steven's sister.

• 31:16Payton Moreland?

  She said she was concerned about the domestic violence Tanya was experiencing in her marriage to Kenny. And Steven's sister is like, Steven told me everything. And not only was Tanya completely confused about this, because there was no domestic violence, it also is starting to really freak her out that he just can't leave her alone. Steven was making up lies about her and getting other people, even his own family involved. So that is when she was like, enough is enough. Tanya left the animal hospital, realizing that might be the only solution to get Steven to leave her and Kenny alone. But that wasn't the case. The letters, the threats, they kept coming. And in September of 2018, things got even spookier.

• 32:02Garrett Moreland?

  I think we talk about this a lot. Do you really never just know somebody?

• 32:06Payton Moreland?

  No.

• 32:07Garrett Moreland?

  Like, do you just truly never know who someone actually is?

• 32:10Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 32:11Garrett Moreland?

  Like, the fact that she can be sleeping with him and then all of a sudden, he just.

• 32:15Payton Moreland?

  Is being this weird?

• 32:16Garrett Moreland?

  Is this being this insane? Because I'm sure if you were to ask her, she'd be like, I had no idea. Like, he was.

• 32:22Payton Moreland?

  Well, and not.

• 32:23Garrett Moreland?

  Insane.

• 32:23Payton Moreland?

  She had been working with him.

• 32:25Garrett Moreland?

  For years.

• 32:26Payton Moreland?

  For years.

• 32:27Garrett Moreland?

  I'm saying, do you just never truly know somebody?

• 32:30Payton Moreland?

  No.

• 32:31Garrett Moreland?

  Guess not.

• 32:32Payton Moreland?

  I also think, going back to, love makes people do weirdo things sometimes. So at this point, it has been over a year since she had ended their affair. But one evening, when Tanya and Kenny got back to their house, they pulled into the driveway to see Steven Milner there. It has been over a year since she ended things. She has quit her job. He was wearing a blue hoodie and lying underneath Kenny's Dodge Ram, which was parked in the driveway. And when they pulled in, they could see he was attaching a small black box to the bottom of Kenny's truck.

• 33:16Payton Moreland?

  Now, the second Steven saw them pull up, he runs away. Obviously, the couple is terrified. They call the local bomb squad. They're like, did this guy just put a bomb underneath my husband's truck?

• 33:31Garrett Moreland?

  Insane.

• 33:32Payton Moreland?

  But it wasn't a bomb. It was a GPS tracking device, which.

• 33:35Garrett Moreland?

  Still crazy.

• 33:36Payton Moreland?

  Is still creepy. Now, after that, Steven was called in to speak with the police. Because when Tanya and Kenny explained the situation, they're like, no, like, it's been a year. We want absolutely nothing to do with him. So the police call him and they're like, hey, you've got to leave this couple alone. And he's like, no, no, no, she's still, she's lying. We're still having an affair. And I'm just trying to keep tabs on Kenny so we don't get caught.

• 34:02Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 34:02Payton Moreland?

  Now, Tanya's like, no, it's a lie. Like, that's not true. But the problem was, everyone who knew Steven, which this is so ironic, since you just said this, had a hard time believing that he would be this crazy.

• 34:19Garrett Moreland?

  Speaking of this, yeah, nah, story for another time, another story for another time. But again, the amount of people that pretend to be nice and innocent and sweet out there when they're really not, there's a lot.

• 34:35Payton Moreland?

  Like in secret.

• 34:37Garrett Moreland?

  There is a lot of people who are secretly not good people.

• 34:42Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 34:42Garrett Moreland?

  Crazy.

• 34:43Payton Moreland?

  But do make an effort, whether that's manipulation or coping mechanisms or personality disorders to come off a certain way.

• 34:50Garrett Moreland?

  But on the outside, they make themselves seem like these saints. I've seen it firsthand multiple times, happened to me recently.

• 34:58Payton Moreland?

  I mean, here's the thing, like I can name someone from growing up who I'm like, that person around town would have been known as like a really good person, but like it was all a facade.

• 35:12Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:12Payton Moreland?

  Like when you truly get to know them, you start to see the mask slip a little bit.

• 35:16Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 35:16Payton Moreland?

  And I feel like maybe everyone kind of has that, has seen that in someone.

• 35:21Garrett Moreland?

  I mean.

• 35:21Payton Moreland?

  Now, this is what's happening with Steven. As I mentioned, Steven had an incredible reputation in the area. Everyone who knew him, loved him, whether they sent their pets to him or not, because not only was he a vet, he was a dad to two kids from his first marriage. He was an active member of the community. He sponsored fundraisers, charity runs. He even once set up a hygiene station for the unhoused. But the truth was Steven was really good at masking his dark side. Turns out, he actually did have a history. He had been investigated back in 1996 by the Oregon Veterinary Medical Examining Board

• 36:06Payton Moreland?

  for quote, unprofessional or dishonorable conduct. And why? Well, he had put down two dogs without their owners' consent. So he just decided the dogs were too sick and did it without talking to the owners. Now, there was another incident in 2019 where Steven also showed his true colors. He was collecting bottles and cans through his clinic, planned to use those proceeds from the bottle drop to donate to charity. But when he showed up at the drop spot, they told him he had exceeded the allowed size for a bottle deposit.

• 36:46Payton Moreland?

  He not only lost his temper, he ended up shoving one of their employees and then went on local television to rant about it. He also doxed one of the employees by posting her information online and encouraging everyone he knew to harass and threaten her. So again, he's coming off as a nice person, but even in the times of going to a charity, his real true colors do show.

• 37:14Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 37:15Payton Moreland?

  Like, it's very obvious this charity is just for looks if this is how you're acting when you're going there.

• 37:21Garrett Moreland?

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  a free item of your choice for life. Now that same year, 2019, again, this stalking and stuff has been going on for over a year now. Stephen sold his hospital to a national chain and finally retired. But now, all of that free time he had was then used for something else. It was to obsess further over his former lover, Tanya.

• 40:26Garrett Moreland?

  Bro, go get a life, man.

• 40:28Payton Moreland?

  I know. It's been years.

• 40:30Garrett Moreland?

  He sold the hospital. He's retired. Like, go, go play golf. Go do something.

• 40:36Payton Moreland?

  Like, has he never been broken up with?

• 40:38Garrett Moreland?

  I don't know. I don't understand how this happens to so many people.

• 40:43Payton Moreland?

  Like, it sucks. I know that probably sucked, but like, move on.

• 40:46Garrett Moreland?

  That some people have.

• 40:47Payton Moreland?

  Crazy.

• 40:48Garrett Moreland?

  It's also embarrassing, but it's crazy.

• 40:52Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 40:53Garrett Moreland?

  Like, dude, go do something, man.

• 40:56Payton Moreland?

  I don't know. There, there's a podcast right now about Clayton, the bachelor, who was accused of, he went through a paternity case. This woman was like, oh, I'm pregnant with his twins. She was never actually pregnant, but took it so far. And there's a podcast on it right now. It's insane. Like, some people.

• 41:14Garrett Moreland?

  Are nuts.

• 41:15Payton Moreland?

  And it's like, not just nuts in like, private.

• 41:18Garrett Moreland?

  Yes.

• 41:19Payton Moreland?

  But nuts like, in public, like.

• 41:21Garrett Moreland?

  I don't, I don't get it. Like, I truly can't comprehend it.

• 41:24Payton Moreland?

  And genuinely, delusionally believing it.

• 41:27Garrett Moreland?

  I truly can't comprehend it. It, anyway.

• 41:29Payton Moreland?

  Also, it's like, do all of us have that potential?

• 41:32Garrett Moreland?

  No.

• 41:32Payton Moreland?

  Or is that just like, a weird thing?

• 41:34Garrett Moreland?

  I think it's a weird thing. I hope so.

• 41:36Payton Moreland?

  No, this girl's done it to like, five other guys. So, it's just a hobby for her.

• 41:41Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 41:42Payton Moreland?

  Now, he's in love with Tanya still. He's obsessed with her, and he's decided to make her husband Kenny's life a living hell. He absolutely hates this guy. Now, while Tanya was receiving endless love letters from Steven, Kenny was getting scarier threats. So, at the same time, he's like, writing Tanya, being like, I love you, come back to me. He's also threatening her husband. In June of 2019, Kenny found Steven outside his house again. This time screaming and saying he was gonna destroy his work tools. Now, by August, Kenny was applying for an order of protection against Steven. Kenny told the police that Steven was getting more aggressive, terrifying each day, showing up to his house.

• 42:26Payton Moreland?

  And this time, the police take it a little more seriously. A sheriff's deputy personally served Steven with the restraining order. But two months later, Kenny doesn't try to renew the order. You actually like, have to go in and actively do this. And he doesn't. And it's not because the threats had stopped, it's because they had actually gotten worse. And so, he was like, hey, maybe if I drop it, it'll get better. Steven actually told the couple, if they didn't drop the restraining order, he would bankrupt them with legal fees. And Tanya discouraged Kenny from going to the police again because she was terrified that Steven's threats weren't idle. She was scared of him.

• 43:09Payton Moreland?

  And meanwhile, Tanya got a job at another animal hospital, but then Steven started showing up there too. He would leave her notes on her car. He would hang around in the parking lot, waiting for her to get off her shift and leave. And at one point, he even showed up with a dog to the animal clinic and is like, oh, Tanya needs to treat this dog. Now cut to December 2020. It has been three years since Tanya called off their six month fling. And Steven is still at the restaurant. He is still obsessing over her.

• 43:43Garrett Moreland?

  Oh my God.

• 43:44Payton Moreland?

  By this point, Kenny and Tanya had set up security cameras outside their home. That month, one of them caught Steven army crawling around in their yard.

• 43:54Garrett Moreland?

  Gosh dude.

• 43:56Payton Moreland?

  Tanya called 911.

• 43:58Garrett Moreland?

  What the actual freak.

• 44:00Payton Moreland?

  Left, but this time the deputies don't even take a report because he's gone, which like, okay, I'm sorry, but.

• 44:07Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, it's almost a comical.

• 44:09Payton Moreland?

  It's not because we know where this story is going.

• 44:12Garrett Moreland?

  Fact that someone's army crawling around.

• 44:14Payton Moreland?

  At this point, I call.

• 44:16Garrett Moreland?

  I would, I'm not going to say anything. I would do bad. Like, nah, I don't do that at my house.

• 44:21Payton Moreland?

  I would literally be like, this guy is so unwell.

• 44:24Garrett Moreland?

  I'd be in jail.

• 44:26Payton Moreland?

  Like this is so far beyond like.

• 44:28Garrett Moreland?

  I'm pretty sure if I caught someone army crawling in my yard.

• 44:32Payton Moreland?

  Obsession. This is stalking.

• 44:35Garrett Moreland?

  They'd be buried currently in one of the holes in our side yards. We have these huge eight foot holes right now because we're planting some trees.

• 44:44Payton Moreland?

  I actually went out there the other day and I was like.

• 44:46Garrett Moreland?

  Is there a body in here? No, you could put a body in there. You have no idea.

• 44:49Payton Moreland?

  I know I just brought up holes in the movie, but I went out there the other day and thought about it again. I was like, those poor boys had to dig holes like this.

• 44:56Garrett Moreland?

  Don't come army crawling in my yard. You will end up in one of those.

• 44:59Payton Moreland?

  Dude, army crawling through someone's yard? What are those things called? Those suits, Gil?

• 45:04Garrett Moreland?

  Guillotine?

• 45:05Payton Moreland?

  No.

• 45:08Payton Moreland?

  Gilly suits?

• 45:09Garrett Moreland?

  Yes, I don't know why he's a

• 45:10Payton Moreland?

  Imagine if he had a gilly suit on. That would have been even worse.

• 45:13Garrett Moreland?

  Guillotine. Oh my gosh.

• 45:15Payton Moreland?

  The guillotine's the thing they cut their head off.

• 45:17Garrett Moreland?

  Cuts your head off. I need to go to sleep.

• 45:18Payton Moreland?

  Okay, so Stevens army crawling through the yard. Tanya's calling 911. Police are not, I mean, it's just not good. Again, we've talked about it before. Stalking is one of the most dangerous things because there's not much police do. Now, of course, all of this is definitely starting to take a toll on Kenny and Tanya's marriage. I mean, things weren't even perfect to begin with, considering the infidelity. And then add on like they're trying to heal from this and trying to stay together and move on. But then he's just constantly still around. That makes it really, really hard to heal and put things, you know, in the past, from the past, in the past.

• 46:00Payton Moreland?

  So for Kenny, the stress of all of this led to drinking. The fights between Kenny and Tanya get a little more intense. And in August of 2021, it led to one really out of control event between the couple. That month, during a fight, Tanya slashed Kenny's ear. And Kenny called the police. Tanya was arrested for assault. She spent the night in jail. But the next day, she learned someone had paid her bail. $25,000 bail, by the way. By who? Not Kenny, not her husband. Steven Milner had learned about her arrest and bailed her out.

• 46:46Payton Moreland?

  And he was waiting for her outside in the parking lot once she was released. Now, this is surprising to Tanya because she's like, how did he even know? How did he even know I got arrested? Well, this led them to believe that Steven had definitely installed trail cameras around their property. The same time that's used.

• 47:07Garrett Moreland?

  It doesn't stop. It gets worse and worse.

• 47:09Payton Moreland?

  That's how he learned she'd been arrested. And Steven had been watching everything going on around their home. And what's even more disturbing is Tanya actually ends up staying with Steven for a couple of days after she was released. Now, I know this is like, everyone's screaming right now. Everyone's throwing their hands up and you're valid. You're valid. Okay? Outside looking in, this is crazy. Inside looking in, this is crazy. I'm assuming that Tanya and Kenny's marriage was in a really rough spot right now. Her ex affair partner bails her out, becomes her knight in shining armor, rescuing her out of jail. Tanya has just spent the night in jail.

• 47:54Payton Moreland?

  And her brain twisted brain in the absolute nuance of this complicated situation is like, yeah, I'll just stay with him for a couple of days.

• 48:08Garrett Moreland?

  I wonder.

• 48:09Payton Moreland?

  And I know that sounds crazy. I just think it's, it's probably not as crazy when you're the one living it, but it's still crazy.

• 48:17Garrett Moreland?

  It is pretty nuts. I'm not gonna lie. It's pretty crazy. Not to judge, but.

• 48:22Payton Moreland?

  No, I do think it's, it's judge worthy. Like I think it's judge worthy, but I also think the human psyche, especially when you're dealing with something as complicated as an affair, doesn't make much sense. Like I think people do very odd things.

• 48:37Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 48:37Payton Moreland?

  In that name, I'm not justifying it. I'm just saying that I can see the, I can see a world where she stayed with him for a couple of days. Now, obviously she insists a few days later, when she goes home to Kenny. Keep in mind, Kenny called the cops on her and got her arrested.

• 48:57Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 48:58Payton Moreland?

  Valid, valid. Now, when she goes home a few days later, she's like, I've been at Stevens, nothing romantic happened. He just paid my bail, got me out of jail. And I'm sure Kenny's like Steven, the one in the ghillie suit, army crawling around our home. Not a ghillie suit, but army crawling around our home. She had to explain that, but when she goes home to Kenny, like a few days after getting out of jail, Steven has just paid $25,000 to bail her out of jail.

• 49:23Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, no.

• 49:24Payton Moreland?

  And then she's like.

• 49:25Garrett Moreland?

  Ever we realized it was only like 10%? So it was like $2,500?

• 49:29Payton Moreland?

  Maybe.

• 49:29Garrett Moreland?

  But it was a $25,000 bail.

• 49:31Payton Moreland?

  You can pay 25. I mean, you can pay the full.

• 49:33Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah. I mean, I guess maybe he did. Yeah.

• 49:35Payton Moreland?

  He probably did. This is an act of getting his girl back.

• 49:39Garrett Moreland?

  He could have. He very well could have.

• 49:41Payton Moreland?

  Um, now when Steven's like, what? You're going back to Kenny? Like you've been with me for a couple of days. I've fought in his mind, fought so hard for this and you're going to go back to, you're going to go back to Kenny? This makes him even more enraged. Like you've just taken a crazy person and lit a fire under them. Now in March of 2022, he takes things to a whole new level. The month before, Steven had snuck around and installed another GPS tracker on Kenny's car, this time without getting caught. And then on March 1st, Steven began following Kenny closely behind on a 45-minute drive from Oregon City to Hillsborough, where he worked.

• 50:21Payton Moreland?

  And this was after Steven had recently threatened to, quote, "chop Kenny into a million pieces and make sure it takes days to do it."

• 50:30Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 50:31Payton Moreland?

  So when Kenny realized Steven was following him to work, he pulled over and called the police. Shockingly, this time Steven didn't flee. He was approached by an officer who caught their interaction on body cam footage. And in it, Steven tells the officer, he's just worried and following Kenny because he's been abusive towards Tanya. He's doing all of this for her safety. The police don't buy it. They're like, listen, this guy's taken a restraining order out on you before. Tanya herself has told us she wants nothing to do with you. They tell Steven, stay the heck out of this couple's business, but they don't arrest him. They give him a warning.

• 51:06Garrett Moreland?

  My gosh, they should have cut his feet off or something.

• 51:09Payton Moreland?

  Kenny knows this is not enough. So immediately after that incident, Kenny goes back to the police and he's like, that's it. I'm filing another protection. I'm filing another order of protection against Steven. And by that point, Kenny was so afraid for his life, he could, like, it was less about the drama of all this. He was struggling on a day-to-day basis, to the point where he even got into a car accident about two weeks after filing that order. And he tells people, he's just distracted. Like, he's genuinely worried for his life.

• 51:42Garrett Moreland?

  Honestly, it's so sad. It's horrible.

• 51:44Payton Moreland?

  None of this stopped Steven Milner. In August of 2022, he puts another tracker on Kenny's car.

• 51:51Garrett Moreland?

  I don't understand. Like, we talk about it so much and it's so hard. Stalking is so hard with the justice system, like proving it. And it's just, it's a difficult one. Do you just, you just throw them in jail forever?

• 52:04Payton Moreland?

  Like, yeah.

• 52:05Garrett Moreland?

  Like, do you throw them in jail? I don't know. Probably. I've heard so many crazy stalking stories and I'm like, look, if you're stalking someone.

• 52:13Payton Moreland?

  It's so scary.

• 52:14Garrett Moreland?

  Like, they need to send them all to an island or something.

• 52:18Garrett Moreland?

  Like you just, you can't live in society being that nuts.

• 52:20Payton Moreland?

  It's like a, like a hide and seek island. They just stalk each other.

• 52:23Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, they can just all go stalk each other or something.

• 52:26Payton Moreland?

  So this time he actually is caught and he's criminally charged for violating the protective order. A month later, Kenny also files a civil suit against Steven for invasion of privacy and emotional distress. Really though, he just pokes the bear because in October of 2022, Steven's plotting his most nefarious plan yet. He buys a new car on Craigslist under a fake name, uses it to continue stalking Kenny. And on December 13th, he goes to Kenny's place of work and he spray paints about a dozen or so cameras in the parking garage. And then in January of 2023, Steven buys a second car using a false identity. One of them happens to be a maroon minivan.

• 53:08Payton Moreland?

  And by January 27th, Kenny is found dead in his car.

• 53:13Garrett Moreland?

  So sad.

• 53:14Payton Moreland?

  So.

• 53:15Garrett Moreland?

  I mean, open and shut at this point.

• 53:17Payton Moreland?

  Let's go back to the night of the murder now. Tanya's like.

• 53:22Garrett Moreland?

  I know who did it.

• 53:23Payton Moreland?

  I know who did this. It's my fault. Like obviously Steven Milner is screaming guilty. Now it's just a matter of gathering more than circumstantial evidence confirming he's the man behind the mask on that surveillance footage.

• 53:36Garrett Moreland?

  What did he think? He was like, gonna get back with her after killing him?

• 53:39Payton Moreland?

  Also like buying a car with a fake name is so easy to trace. A maroon minivan, you couldn't have caught something a little less.

• 53:47Garrett Moreland?

  That's what I said. I said, of course it's a maroon minivan.

• 53:50Payton Moreland?

  So just a few days after the murder on January 31st, police call Steven in. They're like, hey, you need to sign some paperwork. They place the detective at the front desk. Their real goal is to see whether or not he has any injuries on his body. Now, one of the first things she sees is not only is Steven extremely nervous. When signing this paperwork, he shows up to the police station, to the front desk, wearing makeup. And he didn't do a very good job because they can see a huge scratch on his nose and a pretty gnarly black eye underneath that makeup. So just as he's about to walk out the front door of the station after thinking he was just signing paperwork, deputies stop him and they arrest him.

• 54:35Payton Moreland?

  And something else they noticed about Steven. He needs botox. No, but he has the same exact forehead crease as the masked man in that footage. Now, a few days later, Stephen is formally charged with second degree murder and stalking. Second degree because in the state of Oregon, first degree only applies to crimes committed against someone under 14, a police officer or another protected role.

• 55:06Garrett Moreland?

  Is that currently true?

• 55:08Payton Moreland?

  Yeah. Or if it's committed to cover up another crime. So in Oregon, you can only get first degree murder if the crime is committed.

• 55:17Garrett Moreland?

  What?

• 55:17Payton Moreland?

  Again, somewhere under 14.

• 55:19Garrett Moreland?

  Insane idiot made that law.

• 55:23Payton Moreland?

  A police officer, a protected role, or if it is committed to cover up a different crime.

• 55:28Garrett Moreland?

  Attorneys assemble because who made that, who?

• 55:31Payton Moreland?

  Avengers.

• 55:32Garrett Moreland?

  Hello?

• 55:33Payton Moreland?

  Okay, honestly.

• 55:35Garrett Moreland?

  Who's, uh, whose idea was that? If I get a DM from one of you guys and you try to, um,

• 55:43Payton Moreland?

  Justify it?

• 55:43Garrett Moreland?

  Justify this, I'm gonna be just absolutely distraught because there is no way. You can explain to me why they did that, but there is no way that you agree with that. There's no way.

• 55:56Payton Moreland?

  No, I mean, I can see like where they were going with it. Like this is the worst of the worst, but.

• 56:02Garrett Moreland?

  I'm just, in my mind, I'm like, you killed someone.

• 56:05Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 56:05Garrett Moreland?

  Granted, I.

• 56:06Payton Moreland?

  Premeditated murder?

• 56:07Garrett Moreland?

  Correct. If it's premeditated, if you planned it, I don't, you killed someone. I'm not talking about manslaughter. I'm not talking about other instances of passion, like premeditated murder. If you planned it, it's.

• 56:18Payton Moreland?

  Also like.

• 56:19Garrett Moreland?

  Game over.

• 56:20Payton Moreland?

  I probably should have looked this up, but like low key, you're telling me if there was a mass killing in Oregon? And none of the victims were under the age of 14.

• 56:27Garrett Moreland?

  They would just be like, oh, second degree murder? Yeah, I need explanation. Someone explain. Thank you.

• 56:33Payton Moreland?

  I'm sure that's happened. I'm sure there is an answer. I just didn't look it up.

• 56:36Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 56:36Payton Moreland?

  But, um, one thing about true crime, like one of the discoveries I've made while doing this podcast is that holy cow, some states have some weird laws. Like some specific states, you would think these laws are so outdated. They are. And you're just like, what? So police at this point still build their case against him. Now shortly after the charges are filed, police secure a search warrant for Steven's home. And when I tell you this search warrant, okay, you're, you're, you're entering a stalker's home. They find some pretty weird things. First of all, there is a framed picture of Tanya next to Steven's bed.

• 57:20Payton Moreland?

  There were a few keepsakes from the short time they were together. They find women's underwear, love notes he had written her. And even though their relationship had only lasted a few months, the letters made it seem like he and Tanya had been in this romantic relationship for years, like love bombing. They also found a giant cardboard cutout of Steven himself. Well, actually it was a cutout of his face pasted on to a very ripped and oiled male body with a dog paw tattoo over his heart, which like, but what police really needed obviously was access to the maroon van. While doing this, they order a forensic analysis on his SUV, like his other car.

• 58:04Payton Moreland?

  And it shows that he's made a lot of trips to Home Depot.

• 58:08Garrett Moreland?

  Of course.

• 58:08Payton Moreland?

  And those trips increased as it got closer to the time of Kenny's murder, including several trips on the day of the murder. So detectives take a little trip over to the store. They ask about any unusual activity. And shockingly, one of the security people is like, yeah, there were two cars in the lot that had been flagged after being left there for a while. One was a blue car and the other a maroon minivan. So they checked the security footage and sure enough, on the day of Kenny's murder, they see a white SUV identical to Steven's pull into the Home Depot parking lot. A guy gets out of the driver's seat and into the maroon minivan and drives away. So this is where he was storing his getaway car. He bought a pair of safety glasses that was the same pair seen, like the red tint.

• 58:54Payton Moreland?

  He also found the hard hat. Here's the problem, though. The cars, like the blue car and the maroon car, are no longer in the parking lot. They discover they've been sent to a scrapyard. They head over. Employees tell them it's too late. Exactly one week ago, the car was smashed to pieces.

• 59:10Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 59:11Payton Moreland?

  As was their one hope of maybe finding a crime scene. But the search for more evidence is in a total wash. Turns out Kenny's hands were covered in DNA from fighting back, and all of the DNA on his hands belonged to Steven Milner. So this is a pretty solid piece of evidence. So they go to trial. He pleads not guilty. He says he believed he was rescuing Tanya from an abusive marriage, and that he went there to confront Kenny, and when he confronted him, Kenny attacked him, and so he killed him in self-defense.

• 59:46Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, I mean.

• 59:47Payton Moreland?

  Despite the fact that they know for sure that he spray painted the cameras.

• 59:50Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 59:50Payton Moreland?

  And got a fake car.

• 59:51Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 59:52Payton Moreland?

  To go confront him.

• 59:53Garrett Moreland?

  Uh huh.

• 59:54Payton Moreland?

  He also said he eventually broke his neck. Steven Milner was found guilty of second-degree murder, stalking and violating his protective order. He was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 25 years. So he did get possibility of parole. In November of 2025, Steven also agreed to a $1.2 million settlement with Kenny's estate. And while the harassment, threats, and intimidation might have stopped, so did the life Tanya once knew. I mean, this was her husband, someone she had been with for decades. This is the only person who knew what she had been through. I mean, Tanya is paying for her mistakes at a very high.

• 1:00:36Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:37Payton Moreland?

  Price.

• 1:00:37Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:38Payton Moreland?

  And despite the mistakes she made, no one deserves that. We deserve a second chance, an opportunity to move on and grow. But sometimes it's not the mistake itself that sets us back. It's the person tied to that mistake that forces us to keep reliving it over and over and over again, just ruining your life one day at a time. And that is the murder of Kenneth Fandrich.

• 1:01:04Garrett Moreland?

  Poor guy. I mean, that sucks. I mean, I know it sucks for her too, but I mean, Kenny got killed, so.

• 1:01:09Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Garrett Moreland?

  Once again, affects so many people and Stevens is a freaking psycho.

• 1:01:18Payton Moreland?

  And I, I think the obvious way to go here is to feel a lot of anger and blame towards um. Tanya.

• 1:01:27Garrett Moreland?

  I mean, she didn't come.

• 1:01:29Payton Moreland?

  And this is the thing, while I understand um where that is coming from, again, like Eric just said, one person killed Kenny and that was Steven Milner. So let's hold him responsible and acknowledge that everyone makes mistakes. And like I said, everyone deserves a second chance.

• 1:01:45Garrett Moreland?

  Dude, Stevens is nuts. He's probably loving prison.

• 1:01:48Payton Moreland?

  He has a chance to parole in 25 years.

• 1:01:50Garrett Moreland?

  25 years.

• 1:01:52Payton Moreland?

  I mean, yeah, he'll be old.

• 1:01:54Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, he can't, he can't come after me. I got it. Oh, I can handle him.

• 1:01:58Payton Moreland?

  There's just an 89 year old crawling in Tanya's front lawn.

• 1:02:01Garrett Moreland?

  Come get me. Anyways.

• 1:02:03Payton Moreland?

  All right, you guys, that was our episode for this week and we will see you next time with another one. I love it.

• 1:02:09Garrett Moreland?

  I hate it.

• 1:02:09Payton Moreland?

  Goodbye.

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