#2507 - Harland Williams

Harland Williams is a comedian, author, actor, musician, filmmaker, and host of “The Harland Highway” podcast. His new movie, “Wingman,” is available now on all streaming services.www.youtube.com/@HarlandHighwayPodcastwww.harlandwilliams.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get tickets now at https://MastersoftheUniverse.movie Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience. Show you my day, Joe Rogan Podcast, my night, all day.

• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  Dimitri was here when Donald Trump was here.

• 0:15Speaker 02

  Wow, that made my day.

• 0:17Joe Rogan?

  It was important. Doesn't matter what side.

• 0:19Speaker 02

  It doesn't?

• 0:20Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 0:21Speaker 02

  There we go.

• 0:22Joe Rogan?

  Um...

• 0:22Speaker 02

  Wow, these are nice.

• 0:24Joe Rogan?

  Dimitri the snake.

• 0:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, tapeworm.

• 0:26Joe Rogan?

  There he is. Oh, that's right.

• 0:28Speaker 02

  Tapeworm, yeah.

• 0:29Joe Rogan?

  What's going on with your face? What are you doing?

• 0:32Speaker 02

  Ah, this is a tight one for me today, guy.

• 0:35Joe Rogan?

  (laughing)

• 0:41Speaker 02

  I'm feeling ripe.

• 0:42Joe Rogan?

  What is that?

• 0:44Speaker 02

  It's a...

• 0:45Joe Rogan?

  Does it say? It says Betty?

• 0:46Speaker 02

  Billy.

• 0:47Joe Rogan?

  Billy? Oh, B-I.

• 0:48Speaker 02

  L-L-Y.

• 0:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 0:50Speaker 02

  It's a, uh... Phew. It's a memorial tattoo. I don't know if you knew this or not, but, uh... Phew, my, uh... My kid got hit by a truck.

• 1:10Joe Rogan?

  When did you have a kid?

• 1:12Speaker 02

  About two years ago. I haven't told anyone. I was ashamed. It was a one-night-stand. Kid.

• 1:25Joe Rogan?

  Is it a human kid?

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29Joe Rogan?

  (laughing)

• 1:31Speaker 02

  Billy.

• 1:33Joe Rogan?

  He got hit by a truck?

• 1:34Speaker 02

  Got hit by a truck.

• 1:36Joe Rogan?

  Was he just walking?

• 1:37Speaker 02

  Well, someone, and I won't say who, left the gate open. And, uh, he wandered out into the street. And, uh, boom. Like, hit by an 18-wheeler. And, uh, this is like a memorial...

• 1:54Joe Rogan?

  So you got Billy tattooed on your forehead?

• 1:57Speaker 02

  I have two tattoos. I got Billy on my forehead, and I got a tattoo of his little face over my heart.

• 2:03Joe Rogan?

  Let me see it.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07Speaker 02

  God.

• 2:09Joe Rogan?

  First of all, what happened to the one when you were attacked by the bear?

• 2:13Speaker 02

  That healed up. This is Billy.

• 2:18Joe Rogan?

  Billy Goat?

• 2:19Speaker 02

  He's a kid.

• 2:20Joe Rogan?

  Billy the Kid?

• 2:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  Poor little guy.

• 2:24Joe Rogan?

  Poor little guy.

• 2:25Speaker 02

  He was a service animal.

• 2:27Joe Rogan?

  I thought he was your son.

• 2:29Speaker 02

  Well, he was my boy. He was a kid.

• 2:31Joe Rogan?

  But you said he got him out of a one night stand.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  Well, that girl sold him to me. He was a service animal.

• 2:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. It sucks, dude. And you know what sucks? He was hit by a truck that was hauling medical supplies. Okay?

• 2:49Joe Rogan?

  How ironic.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  Right. He's laying there, and to watch your kid bleed to death.

• 2:59Speaker 02

  He's just laying on the pavement like.

• 3:03Speaker 02

  Just bleeding to death.

• 3:05Joe Rogan?

  Amazing he was still alive.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  Well, I couldn't believe it. He was alive and a respirator rolled out of the back of the truck, a life-saving device, and crushed his stupid, crushed his head.

• 3:17Joe Rogan?

  So he was killed not by the truck, but by the final blow of the respirator landing on him?

• 3:22Speaker 02

  Right. So the irony.

• 3:23Joe Rogan?

  What are the odds?

• 3:24Speaker 02

  Well, this is the irony in life, Joe. Like, he got hit by the truck, might have survived. A respirator rolled out of the back, these things weigh a good half ton. Lands on the idiot, on the kid's face. And, uh, gone.

• 3:41Joe Rogan?

  Poor Billy.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  So, memorial tattoos.

• 3:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're a good guy.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  I was a good dad.

• 3:47Joe Rogan?

  I would have ate him.

• 3:48Speaker 02

  Is that right?

• 3:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:49Speaker 02

  How does goat taste? I haven't had it.

• 3:51Joe Rogan?

  It's pretty good. Yeah.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  Wait. You have?

• 3:54Joe Rogan?

  Sure. First time I ever had it was in LA at a Mexican's spot. They still, they were selling goat tacos. They were delicious.

• 4:00Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 4:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and then I had a neighbor, well, not a neighbor, who's a landscaper, that was a friend of mine, that would, uh, he would fight chickens. They'd do chicken fights.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  Cock fights.

• 4:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've had those.

• 4:12Joe Rogan?

  Trying to be polite, cleaning up for the viewers. Chicken, chicken fights.

• 4:17Speaker 02

  Cock is kind of the technical name.

• 4:19Joe Rogan?

  Seems wrong.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:21Joe Rogan?

  When you're saying it.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  Have you ever?

• 4:24Joe Rogan?

  I don't like how you're saying it, but anyway, they would roast a goat. He told me, uh, whenever they would do a cock fight.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:31Joe Rogan?

  Feel better?

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Well, it's not for me, it's for.

• 4:34Joe Rogan?

  For the culture.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it is what it is. A pit bull fight's a pit bull fight.

• 4:39Joe Rogan?

  Actually, I wonder how you say it in Spanish.

• 4:41Speaker 02

  El cocko.

• 4:42Joe Rogan?

  So anyway, he lived in this neighborhood, you would swear to God that it was Mexico. It was crazy. Like, every sign was in Spanish, all the people were in Spanish, there was roosters everywhere. You just, on his street, you would hear

• 4:53Joe Rogan?

  like, all day long. It was like, it was crazy. And so he had this friend of mine, a friend of his, rather. Uh, he went to, we went to the backyard. And in the backyard, there's just stacks and stacks of rooster cages. They had so many roosters. And they had these prize roosters, and they had a whole pit. So they had a thing, it was almost like a barn-looking area. And you go in there and there's a pit.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  A cockpit.

• 5:14Joe Rogan?

  And then that's where they would fight. And he was showing me where they would roast a goat. He said every time they would have a cock fight, they'd roast a goat and everybody'd have beers and.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  Well, if you're gonna have a cock fight, you might as well roast a goat.

• 5:26Joe Rogan?

  That's what I said.

• 5:27Speaker 02

  But if I had a cockpit in my backyard, I'd get like a Delta pilot and an American Airlines pilot and toss them in.

• 5:36Joe Rogan?

  And let them fight it out?

• 5:37Speaker 02

  Let them fight it out in the cockpit.

• 5:38Joe Rogan?

  Who you think would win?

• 5:40Speaker 02

  Probably Delta, cause they have.

• 5:42Joe Rogan?

  The DEI program?

• 5:44Speaker 02

  Do they?

• 5:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  Or in this case.

• 5:47Joe Rogan?

  They all do.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  The D I. The DIE program. Cause someone ain't coming out alive.

• 5:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think we need pilots, so maybe you should do it with someone that's like, overrepresented in the marketplace. Like, what would be like, we could get rid of some of those folks.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  Who we could single out?

• 6:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would be like, we've had enough. There's too many of you guys.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:10Joe Rogan?

  Politicians.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 6:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 6:13Joe Rogan?

  Homeless advocates.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  I'd love to see politicians get in a pit and fight.

• 6:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:20Joe Rogan?

  Two men enter, one man leave. I mean, that had to, how it went down a long time ago.

• 6:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:26Joe Rogan?

  Long time ago.

• 6:27Speaker 02

  Oh, you're talking like cavemen years?

• 6:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, tribal days.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  Tribal day, yeah.

• 6:31Joe Rogan?

  They probably had a fight.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think.

• 6:32Joe Rogan?

  My opponent's a piece of shit, he wants to steal all the coconuts.

• 6:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  Well, I think, I think back then the hierarchy worked based on physical dominance, intimidation.

• 6:44Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:44Speaker 02

  Like, you'd be a good leader. You got, you got, you're jacked.

• 6:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm not a good leader, though, because I'd be like, you gotta do what you wanna do. I'm not really interested in running this place. I gotta get out of here.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, because once you decide you're running it, you're stuck with everything.

• 6:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and all the problems are your problems.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 7:01Joe Rogan?

  And everyone wants to kill you. Like, who the fuck would want to be president? This is why voting for president is a real problem.

• 7:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:11Joe Rogan?

  Like, in 2028, it was like, who's gonna win in 2028? Who's gonna win? Who's gonna run? Who wants that fucking job? What normal, healthy person wants that job where at least half the country's gonna fucking hate you? And the people that you got in, that got you in, like, they're not gonna be happy because you're never gonna be able to do what you're saying you wanna do. It's not even possible. What'd you just put up, Jim?

• 7:35Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, do you think they could start dueling again like they did in 1700s?

• 7:39Joe Rogan?

  These are duel, yeah. Many periods of history. According to Perplexity, our AR sponsor, politicians fought literally with fists, canes, swords, and pistols. And some famous ones were killed or badly injured in these clashes. 1700s, 1800s, dueling was a common way for gentlemen and politicians to defend their honor in Europe and the United States. That would be sick if congressmen, you know, like, they start screaming and yelling at each other like they always do.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:07Joe Rogan?

  "I challenge you to a duel." And everyone's like, "Oh, let's fucking duel." And they go out on the White House lawn.

• 8:15Speaker 03

  Andrew Jackson killed Charles Dickinson?

• 8:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:19Speaker 02

  The author?

• 8:20Joe Rogan?

  And was wounded himself.

• 8:21Speaker 03

  That's not the author, is it?

• 8:22Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no. That's Dickens. That's Dickens.

• 8:25Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. I mean, that's a bad review for a book when you go.

• 8:30Joe Rogan?

  You piece of shit.

• 8:31Speaker 02

  I didn't like Tom Sawyer. Boom. Did Dickens write Tom Sawyer? Or Huck Finn?

• 8:38Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, that was, um, Samuel Clemens. Mark Twain. Samuel Clemens.

• 8:43Speaker 02

  Twain?

• 8:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:44Speaker 02

  What the hell did Dickens write?

• 8:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I don't remember.

• 8:47Speaker 03

  The, um, the Christmas one.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  Christmas one, The Grinch?

• 8:52Joe Rogan?

  Which one did he write?

• 8:55Speaker 02

  Grinch that stole.

• 8:56Speaker 03

  Oliver Twist, Christmas Carol is the one I was trying to think of. David Copperfield, Great Expectations.

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• 11:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, Christmas curls is what I was thinking of.

• 11:49Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, okay. He wrote some great stuff. What year was, um, put that thing up again about the duels? Because, uh, so Jackson killed someone.

• 11:59Speaker 03

  1806?

• 12:00Joe Rogan?

  In 8206. When was he president?

• 12:04Speaker 03

  Later. It says later.

• 12:06Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:08Joe Rogan?

  So he shot someone and then became president. He was a murderer and he became president.

• 12:12Speaker 03

  Sitting vice president, did it in 1804.

• 12:13Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 12:15Speaker 03

  J.D. Vance is going out and shooting the Treasury Secretary right now.

• 12:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is crazy. They had a pistol duel with the Treasury Secretary. Hamilton was mortally wounded and died the next day.

• 12:26Speaker 03

  That'd be crazy to see right now.

• 12:28Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 12:28Speaker 03

  They're having the UFC fights at the White House. Maybe they could do that.

• 12:31Joe Rogan?

  It ended this guy Burr's political career. Scroll back up again. And Aaron Burr. So it was the Vice President, Aaron Burr, shot the fucking Treasury Secretary. That's crazy. Former Treasury Secretary. And killed him, and then it ended his career. Even in 1804, they were like, that's outrageous.

• 12:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:52Joe Rogan?

  But isn't that crazy? That was just the 1800s.

• 12:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:54Joe Rogan?

  200 years ago, they were shooting each other.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  And America's all about guns, so why aren't we just doing that now?

• 13:00Joe Rogan?

  It would end a lot of like really shitty conversations.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:04Joe Rogan?

  Because a lot of people, they talk in a way, they say horrible, mean things because they know there's no repercussions.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:11Joe Rogan?

  If, if they could just challenge you to a fistfight on the Senate floor.

• 13:15Speaker 03

  Look at this.

• 13:15Joe Rogan?

  If that was a thing.

• 13:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:17Joe Rogan?

  It'd change a lot.

• 13:18Speaker 03

  1856.

• 13:20Joe Rogan?

  Representative Preston Brooks of South Carolina entered the US Senate Chamber and brutally beat Senator Charles Summer of Massachusetts with a cane after Summer gave an anti-slavery speech that insulted Brooks cousin. Summer was left unconscious and badly injured. Whoa.

• 13:39Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, because he gave an anti-slavery speech, imagine, why'd you hit him? The guy's against slavery. Oh.

• 13:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 13:47Joe Rogan?

  Did you use a weapon at least? Yeah, I used a cane, he's against slavery.

• 13:50Speaker 02

  What the hell?

• 13:51Joe Rogan?

  What am I gonna do, just let him be against slavery?

• 13:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:55Joe Rogan?

  He insulted my cousin, the slave owner.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  Wow. Well, you know, America's like kinda built on gun culture, so it sorta seems to fit, you know?

• 14:05Joe Rogan?

  Also, combat, like, thank you, it's just a little more, it's like violence, there's gonna be a UFC on the White House lawn.

• 14:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:14Joe Rogan?

  That seems like a good, safe place to be, huh? Everyone's gonna know where all the world leaders are gonna be, we're all gonna be stuck sitting in that spot for six hours calling fights.

• 14:23Speaker 02

  You're gonna be there, right?

• 14:24Joe Rogan?

  Super safe, I feel completely safe.

• 14:27Speaker 02

  You're gonna be there, right?

• 14:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh, I'm gonna be there.

• 14:29Speaker 02

  Do you, do you like the concept of it, or no?

• 14:31Joe Rogan?

  I do not like it.

• 14:32Speaker 02

  How come, guy?

• 14:33Joe Rogan?

  Because it's outside, and I think world championship fights should be in a controlled environment, because out of respect for the athletes and how difficult it is to compete professionally in a world title, however, I should say, however, it's gonna be a spectacle, whether I was there or not, I would be watching 100%. It's, uh, I think it's awesome that Trump, this is one of the things that I like about him, he's like, fuck it, let's do it. He puts on cage fights on the White House lawn, that's nuts.

• 15:03Speaker 02

  He's fearless, yeah.

• 15:04Joe Rogan?

  But he does wild shit, I like that. I like that part, I don't like the Iran war thing, but I like that.

• 15:09Speaker 02

  You don't like the concept that, uh, Iran can no longer have, uh, nuclear weapons? I think that's better than a UFC fight.

• 15:18Joe Rogan?

  That is a good concept, however, I don't necessarily know there's a clear way to get out of this, and if you know what we did in Afghanistan for 20 years and how much American taxpayer dollars Afghanistan and how many people lost their lives.

• 15:32Speaker 02

  But in Afghanistan, it felt like they were just sweeping out like goat farmers and guys hiding in caves. Whereas here, there's a directive where they're preventing a rebel country from having a bomb that could annihilate portions of our planet.

• 15:49Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  So I think that's a much clearer and more positive agenda than wiping out guys living in the hills of Afghanistan, creating opium.

• 15:58Joe Rogan?

  That's true, if it made sense. The problem is, uh, I had Scott Horton on the podcast explaining what is actually involved in making depleted uranium and making it weapons grade and what would have to be done in order to get it to a bomb level. It's very difficult.

• 16:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:15Joe Rogan?

  It's not as simple and they weren't nearly capable of doing that.

• 16:19Speaker 02

  Not nearly, but pursuing.

• 16:22Joe Rogan?

  It's a good question because they were being, he was also saying they were being inspected on a regular basis. And essentially this is Israel wanting us to go to this war.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:30Joe Rogan?

  Israel wants, and it makes sense if I was Israel, if we were America and Mexico had nukes pointed at us or whatever. It's not nukes, but you know what I'm saying?

• 16:39Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 16:40Joe Rogan?

  Like if they did, if they were trying to build a nuke, if Mexico and America were constantly in conflict.

• 16:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:46Joe Rogan?

  And Mexico was trying to build a nuclear bomb. That would be a good reason where I, well, America would want to go fuck up Mexico like, hey, you can't have a nuclear bomb. This is Israel's position.

• 16:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:57Joe Rogan?

  Israel's right there with Iran. They're close enough, they're throwing missiles at each other. I get why they would want it. I just don't know if it's a good thing for America and I don't know if there's a way out of it.

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Well, I think what we have to look at is the bigger scope. If not America cleaning it up, who does it? Who has the power and the wherewithal to do it?

• 17:17Joe Rogan?

  You know, we've used like two thirds of our missiles doing it.

• 17:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, but.

• 17:21Joe Rogan?

  It leaves us vulnerable if there's any other kind of a conflict. We're like under armed right now.

• 17:27Speaker 02

  I don't think we're ever underarmed when we have our Triton submarine force lurking in the oceans 24/7 and nobody knows they're there, even members of American military.

• 17:37Joe Rogan?

  What do you know? How do you know this?

• 17:39Speaker 02

  Oh, I know things, guy.

• 17:40Joe Rogan?

  Did Billy tell you this?

• 17:42Speaker 02

  Billy? Billy's dead.

• 17:43Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, do you know something about these Triton submarines?

• 17:47Speaker 02

  I sure do.

• 17:47Joe Rogan?

  What do you know?

• 17:48Speaker 02

  Well, they're circumnavigating our oceans 24/7.

• 17:53Joe Rogan?

  How many are there?

• 17:54Speaker 02

  I think there's a fleet of 12 to 24. I think it's closer to 12, but these things can stay underwater for up to a year. And most members of our American government don't even know they're there. They don't know where they are.

• 18:08Joe Rogan?

  How much underwater jerking off is going on right now?

• 18:11Speaker 02

  Well, think about it. One Triton submarine, Trident submarine-

• 18:15Joe Rogan?

  Has how many guys on it?

• 18:16Speaker 02

  I don't know how many guys, but it has something like 24 nuclear warheads-

• 18:21Joe Rogan?

  And how many guys jerking off?

• 18:22Speaker 02

  And each warhead has 24 that break off. So one of these submarines could take out half the world, and we've got them going all the time. So whenever you're afraid of any little hotspot in the world, just remember that we have this going on in the ocean. A lot of people don't know about it.

• 18:37Joe Rogan?

  I like you say this "we" shit when you're Canadian.

• 18:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:41Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 18:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:42Joe Rogan?

  When the shit hits the fan, Canadians like to pretend they're Americans. I like it.

• 18:46Speaker 02

  I'm just not worried. Like, I'm not worried about America ever being vulnerable. It's an area, it's a nautical force that you don't really hear about, but if you were to look it up, there's this force out there that could take out the world.

• 19:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, Jamie just looked it up.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  Jamie, look it up.

• 19:04Joe Rogan?

  US Navy submarine force today consists about 53 of fast-attack submarines, 14 ballistic missile submarines, and four guided missile submarines, all nuclear-powered. That yields a total of roughly 70 to 71 nuclear submarines in the force, making it the world's largest nuclear submarine fleet. Why, currently in the oceans, is classified, except for people who talk to Harland.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 19:30Joe Rogan?

  Harland knows.

• 19:31Speaker 02

  See?

• 19:32Joe Rogan?

  The exact number of US nuclear submarines at sea at any moment and their locations are classified for operational security. The Navy does not release real-time deployment figures. Public discussion instead uses overall force and general deployment concepts like continuous SSBN deterrent patrols rather than day-by-day counts.

• 19:54Joe Rogan?

  Okay, that makes me feel a little better.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  Well, you need not worry. And that's, you didn't even tap into the tridents. The tridents are the nuclear ones that run silent. You can't ping them.

• 20:04Joe Rogan?

  You're pro.

• 20:07Joe Rogan?

  You can't?

• 20:08Speaker 02

  That's, that's pinging. That's sonar.

• 20:10Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean? You can't use sonar to find them?

• 20:12Speaker 02

  You can't ping them. They're nuclear. They're silent. They're silent predators in the ocean.

• 20:16Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 20:17Speaker 02

  They're huge. And I told you, one, one nuclear warhead splits off into 16 or 24. So, one of these, one of these damn trident submarines could put anyone in its place at any time. So, don't you worry about our missiles being depleted, Mr. Joe. Zachary Rogan.

• 20:39Joe Rogan?

  Zachary? How did I get a new nickname?

• 20:41Speaker 02

  I don't know. If I know about submarines, I know about your middle name.

• 20:45Joe Rogan?

  Okay, I'm gonna have to change my license. In current open sources, trident submarines usually means US Navy Ohio-class ballistic missile submarines. They carry Trident II, D5 nuclear missiles, and there are 14 of these boats.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 21:00Joe Rogan?

  And so, these boats are just floating around, ready to fuck people up. So, do you think it was a good idea to go into Iran, start bombing?

• 21:07Speaker 02

  I think whoever's the bad player, I think it's a good idea. If it was North Korea, Iran, Israel, Canada, Mexico.

• 21:15Joe Rogan?

  Anybody fucking around.

• 21:16Speaker 02

  Whoever's causing shit in the world, we don't have time for you. Let's get on, let's get in line, let's all work together, or you get a timeout. We don't, we don't have time for this anymore. We're a society of sophisticated human beings. We gotta move forward. There I am, sonar guy.

• 21:36Joe Rogan?

  Look at you, dude.

• 21:37Speaker 02

  That's, that's me on a trident.

• 21:39Joe Rogan?

  That's what you do in your spare time?

• 21:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, ride around the world protecting things.

• 21:43Joe Rogan?

  Do they dye your hair before you go under there?

• 21:48Speaker 03

  Triggered an old memory when he started doing that.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  Right?

• 21:51Joe Rogan?

  What movie was that in?

• 21:53Speaker 03

  Down Periscope.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Down Periscope.

• 21:54Joe Rogan?

  Wow, look at you, dog.

• 21:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. But this is real, guys, so I'm just saying to you, don't ever fret.

• 22:00Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  There's no one on Earth that can threaten America.

• 22:04Joe Rogan?

  How did 9/11 happen, then?

• 22:06Speaker 02

  Well, that was land-based, that was terrestrial. And that was simple planning and box-cutting and hijacking.

• 22:13Joe Rogan?

  And...

• 22:13Speaker 02

  But we're talking about global warfare, nuclear war. Let's say Moscow launched and hit seven of our cities tomorrow. Well, guess what, Moscow? There'll be seven or eight Chinese submarine waiting just offshore for you.

• 22:33Joe Rogan?

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• 23:12Joe Rogan?

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• 23:56Joe Rogan?

  Right, but there's no one left here to celebrate, because we're all dead.

• 23:59Speaker 02

  It doesn't matter. America doesn't lose, is what I'm trying to tell you, my guy.

• 24:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, we still win when everyone's dead?

• 24:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, we still win. The guys floating around in the Indian Ocean, and the Atlantic, and the North Sea.

• 24:09Joe Rogan?

  So those sailors will be the new civilization.

• 24:12Speaker 02

  America wins even when they lose, my guy.

• 24:15Joe Rogan?

  Maybe that's why the aliens are under the water. Maybe they're the ones that survived.

• 24:19Speaker 02

  You believe that?

• 24:19Joe Rogan?

  The apocalypse.

• 24:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know about the aliens under the water.

• 24:23Joe Rogan?

  Congressman Tim Burchett was on this podcast.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Well, what does he know?

• 24:27Joe Rogan?

  And he said that there are three, did he say three bases, or five?

• 24:31Speaker 02

  When your last name's bullshit.

• 24:33Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, it's Burchett.

• 24:35Speaker 02

  Oh, Burchett. Nice story.

• 24:36Joe Rogan?

  He's a very honest man.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  So what did he say?

• 24:39Joe Rogan?

  He said that there's these three loca-, I think it's three. See, three or five, I can't remember which one he said.

• 24:44Speaker 02

  Hang on, let me tell you.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  Five.

• 24:49Joe Rogan?

  So he said this is these spots under the ocean where regularly they have these events where things come out of the ocean.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  When you say things, are we talking giant squid, are we talking extraterrestrial?

• 25:01Joe Rogan?

  They're talking crafts that move in a way that we can't right now. 500 miles an hour under the water. They're transmedium, meaning they can go above the ground and in the water with no, it doesn't seem like it's causing them any resistance.

• 25:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:15Joe Rogan?

  Burchett said there are five underwater bases, and in some reports, it's phrase is five or six.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  What?

• 25:22Joe Rogan?

  The clearest reporting says he pointed to five areas in the US waters where such bases could be. So they, there's a bunch of areas in the ocean, and if you think, like, you were gonna hide something, that's where you would hide it. We can't, we don't go in the ocean that much, right?

• 25:36Speaker 02

  Well, we go in the ocean, but we don't know the ocean. It hasn't been mapped. I think we've only mapped less than 10% of the ocean floor.

• 25:43Joe Rogan?

  We know more about the surface of the moon than we knew, know about the bottom of the ocean. And so, when they're, if they're, if they were here, that would be the place to hide. Just go to the deepest parts of the ocean where no one can go.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:55Joe Rogan?

  And you build bases. Because if they can travel here from another planet.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:00Joe Rogan?

  James Cameron went to the bottom of the Mariana Trench. We watched the video of it.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, fascinating.

• 26:04Joe Rogan?

  So, he did that in 2012. If he can do that, for sure, something that can come here from another planet can also go down there, and most likely set up a base.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  I'm skeptical. I'm not denying it, but I'm thinking if you're an extraterrestrial and you're coming to a planet like ours, what's the upside of going deep down into a trench? That's I think it's what three, four, five miles deep? The Areolai Trench?

• 26:35Joe Rogan?

  Areolai?

• 26:36Speaker 02

  What's it called?

• 26:39Joe Rogan?

  Areol is the thing around.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  Your tits.

• 26:42Speaker 03

  Did you catch this yesterday? Probably, maybe not. The new Disclosure Day trailer?

• 26:46Joe Rogan?

  I did.

• 26:46Speaker 03

  So Steven Spielberg's in it.

• 26:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's saying, first of all, bro, cut your nails. You're freaking me out.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. He's a nose picker. Some people keep them long to get boogers. Spielberg probably likes to pull out a crank out a greenie.

• 27:01Joe Rogan?

  Boy.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  Picture Spielberg laying in bed at night, just cranking out a greenie and eating it.

• 27:08Joe Rogan?

  So he said that he believes that we are being visited much. I don't think he does that. He's a respectful man.

• 27:14Speaker 02

  Look at those nails. Those are booger picking nails.

• 27:16Joe Rogan?

  No, he's just too busy to trim his nails.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  I don't know. He probably could have someone trim those dirty booger nails.

• 27:23Joe Rogan?

  You think that's what they are?

• 27:23Speaker 02

  He looks like an eye eye almost.

• 27:25Joe Rogan?

  What if we had like one long coke nail? What if we had like one long pinky nail?

• 27:29Speaker 02

  Like an eye eye?

• 27:30Joe Rogan?

  Like a fucking coke nail, bro.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  Ever seen an eye eye?

• 27:34Joe Rogan?

  Those dudes, they grow the pinky nail long to let everybody know they do coke.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  Pull up an eye eye, Jamie.

• 27:39Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean?

• 27:40Speaker 02

  You'll see in a second, Dr. Coke Nail.

• 27:43Joe Rogan?

  Jesus.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  A Y E A Y E.

• 27:46Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it's that ink from the tattoo. That thing?

• 27:48Speaker 02

  Now, show them the middle finger of the eye eye.

• 27:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's a hook? Whoa, look at that hook.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  So they have an elongated middle digit that they stick deep down into coconuts and melons. And that's a Spielberg hook right there.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  It is what the fingers look like.

• 28:10Joe Rogan?

  Look at that.

• 28:11Speaker 02

  That's Spielberg at night, laying in his waterbed, picking greenies.

• 28:15Joe Rogan?

  I don't think he does that.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  I think he does. There's one in his beard, right there.

• 28:19Joe Rogan?

  I feel bad that I brought it up.

• 28:20Speaker 03

  Look, there's the hand. There's the aye aye.

• 28:22Speaker 02

  Oh. Aye aye.

• 28:24Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 28:25Speaker 02

  And isn't it interesting, Joe, if we go full circle, if you're down in a Trident submarine, and the captain says, "Press X572 and obliterate Iran right now", the operator would go, "Aye aye, sir."

• 28:41Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they say that. I think they say Roger.

• 28:45Speaker 02

  Well, the guy, his name's Roger.

• 28:47Joe Rogan?

  Why do they say Roger?

• 28:49Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 28:49Joe Rogan?

  I wonder why they say that name? Like, it's not Mike.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  Roger was based off of the Jolly Roger, the flag. With the skull and crossbones. So, the nautical term Roger came from that, Jolly Roger.

• 29:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the military uses that, too. Roger that.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  Right, but they adopted it from the Navy.

• 29:08Joe Rogan?

  Let's find out if that's true.

• 29:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:10Joe Rogan?

  What is Roger, the term Roger that? Where's that come from?

• 29:14Speaker 03

  As I'm looking that up, do you know why pirates wear an eye patch?

• 29:17Joe Rogan?

  Because they cut their fucking eye off.

• 29:18Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 29:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so they could see better at distance?

• 29:21Speaker 03

  At night, under the ship, because it's dark.

• 29:23Joe Rogan?

  Right, yeah, it's for... When, you know, light, when you get accustomed to darkness.

• 29:31Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 29:32Joe Rogan?

  The more... Why does having one eye closed...

• 29:37Joe Rogan?

  So, did they put the patch over the other eye when they go under at night?

• 29:41Speaker 03

  You switch.

• 29:41Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 29:43Speaker 02

  They switch eyes.

• 29:44Joe Rogan?

  So, they never have to get adjusted to the dark? Well, that's crazy.

• 29:48Speaker 03

  Yes, Roger has to do with Morse code.

• 29:51Joe Rogan?

  That is actually kind of amazing. What a smart move. You put one patch over your eye during the daytime and one patch at night, and you can always see.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 30:02Joe Rogan?

  Originally stood for the letter R, which is used as shorthand for "received", in Morse code.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:08Joe Rogan?

  In early radio. So, saying Roger means, "I received your message."

• 30:12Speaker 02

  Oh. Right.

• 30:13Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  And it also hankers back to the skull and crossbones, the Jolly Roger. If you pull that up.

• 30:20Joe Rogan?

  I don't think it does.

• 30:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is. It's a derivative of the cranial area of the tibia. The tibia's across the cranial.

• 30:28Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. Jamie doesn't believe you.

• 30:31Speaker 02

  The hell's going on here?

• 30:32Joe Rogan?

  And when Jamie laughs, I know something's up. What is a Jolly Roger? No, the Roger in radio talk and the Roger in Jolly Roger come from different traditions.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:43Joe Rogan?

  And are not historically connected. Do you think this is maybe top secret information that you know? And maybe you just made a mistake by telling the whole world?

• 30:49Speaker 02

  Can I answer it with, uh?

• 30:55Speaker 02

  You've just been sonar player.

• 30:57Joe Rogan?

  So imagine if there was a super sophisticated, uh, intelligent civilization that existed way before hours, like 30,000 years ago. And then they had developed underwater travel, space travel, all that jazz. Then the apocalypse comes and the only ones that survive are the Trident submarine guys that are in the ocean.

• 31:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 31:19Joe Rogan?

  Maybe that's why all these bases are in the ocean. Maybe they're the last remaining survivors of a super advanced civilization that existed thousands and thousands of years before like Mesopotamia.

• 31:31Speaker 02

  But my point to you, joke and point, valid, valid.

• 31:35Joe Rogan?

  Think about it for a second.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  I'm gonna play, daddy's gonna play. I'm not even refuting it, but I'm gonna.

• 31:40Joe Rogan?

  Roll it around the old Canadian dome.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  Roll it around and I'm gonna come back at you with an argument that if I'm an intelligent life force and I've got this sphere with oceans and land, why do I want to make life harder for myself? Do you know the pressure that you're at, uh, three miles down in the ocean? The amount of pressure that comes? Look what happened to that little, that little submarine that popped about three years ago.

• 32:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  So why do you want to live in an environment where you have so much pressure? When you could simply land on the terrestrial plane and live pressure free?

• 32:15Joe Rogan?

  Because if they are insanely advanced, one of the things that's proposed is that they have some sort of a gravity bubble. And this is how they move through space. And this is how, they don't use propulsion.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  They move frictionless through space.

• 32:30Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. That's why these crafts act as transmedium crafts. When these crafts are flying and they go into the ocean, the ocean mother, there's virtually no splash.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Huh.

• 32:40Joe Rogan?

  And they're moving 500 miles an hour.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  Frictionless.

• 32:41Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. They're not, they're not existing in the same space time as we are. They have a bubble and this bubble completely distorts everything around them.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  So you're saying if they descended into the depths of our ocean, they wouldn't experience the pressure?

• 32:56Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 32:56Speaker 02

  Because the bubble?

• 32:57Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 32:58Speaker 02

  Is forcing off the pressure?

• 33:00Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 33:00Speaker 02

  Interesting. But still, okay.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  What is your purpose for going underwater when you could just land on the surface of the earth?

• 33:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe they're observing. Maybe they're observing us and making sure that we don't fuck things up.

• 33:15Speaker 02

  But how can they observe us if they're three miles underwater?

• 33:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, they come out of the water, Harland. That's the whole reason why they know they're there. Because they keep experiencing these crafts that are rising out of the water in these very specific locations.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:28Joe Rogan?

  You seem like a disinformation agent from the government or something.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  I am, I am.

• 33:33Joe Rogan?

  It seems like it.

• 33:34Speaker 02

  I am.

• 33:34Joe Rogan?

  You should work on being a little more stealthy.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 33:38Joe Rogan?

  Because it's very obvious to me that you're what the kids call controlled opposition.

• 33:41Speaker 02

  Well, that could be me counter-intuitively pre-programming you to think sideways.

• 33:48Joe Rogan?

  Will be the benefit of that. I'm not experiencing these ways of espionage.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  What's the benefit of living a mile down in the ocean in the Areolai Rift?

• 33:59Joe Rogan?

  I think the whole reason they're in the ocean is because that's where we won't find them. If you wanted to watch, like, a civilization, if we went to another planet, okay, let's say this. We, let's say, we go to another planet and we find people that are living like cave people. They're killing each other with spears. They're, you know, robbing and raiding villages. If we wanted to just observe and we had the ability to observe from the sky, motionless, with no sound at all, and just watch them, don't you think we would do that?

• 34:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:30Joe Rogan?

  We wouldn't interfere. We would want to know as much about them as we could.

• 34:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:33Joe Rogan?

  Every now and then, when one of them was going to get watered, we fucking dart them with a tranquilizer dart, check their DNA, take some jizz, and then leave them there, just like they do to us. We would do the exact same stuff if we could do it. If we were just a little more advanced than we are now. So, not, you know, millions of years in advance, which we think maybe possibly some civilizations are, but maybe a hundred years or a thousand years. And we found a planet, and that planet had cave people on it. 100%, we would do most of the things that these aliens are doing. If we had a way where we could dart them and tranquilize them, and they have no idea that we did it, and they would just wake up in the jungle confused, we would do it. If we did medical tests on them, we could take them.

• 35:19Joe Rogan?

  Bring them to a secure medical facility that we had, maybe in a helicopter, or some sort of a spaceship that we've created. And we run some tests on them, take some sperm, take some skin samples, do a fucking CAT scan on them, whatever. And then put them back in the jungle. We would do it.

• 35:33Speaker 02

  But wait, this isn't Mutant Omaha's Wild Kingdom. We're not wildebeest, we're not seals. Like, clearly, they share some of the intelligence we have. They're masters of aeronautics. We've mastered aeronautics in our physical plane. So what's with all the mystery? Like, if they can communicate, and they can talk, and they can build-

• 35:55Joe Rogan?

  We're too primitive.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  -as we can. It's not like-

• 35:58Joe Rogan?

  No, we're too primitive.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  Why don't they just... How do you know that?

• 36:01Joe Rogan?

  Because if something can come here from another planet-

• 36:03Speaker 02

  Why don't they just go, "Hey, let's go chat to the idiots?"

• 36:06Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 36:06Speaker 02

  If we're that dumb. At least we could communicate.

• 36:09Joe Rogan?

  I think you have to give-

• 36:10Speaker 02

  Our fighter jets fly with their fi- Our fighter jets track them. We lock on to them.

• 36:15Joe Rogan?

  No, they don't.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  So we're sharing aeronautical intelligence.

• 36:18Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. They're not sharing-

• 36:19Speaker 02

  Joseph.

• 36:20Joe Rogan?

  They're trying to find them, and then they dart away-

• 36:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 36:23Joe Rogan?

  And move in ways that we can't explain.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  But we see them, we track them, we share the same airspace, we're both flying. I don't know why I'm getting so fired up.

• 36:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but still, dude, if we went to another planet and found Australopithecus, we found an early human, you know, one of the early primates.

• 36:44Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 36:44Joe Rogan?

  100%, we would dart it. 100%, we would tranquilize it, we would run tests on it, we would want to know about it. 100%.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  Okay, you're talking about a Neanderthal.

• 36:55Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's what we are to them.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  But let's say-

• 36:57Joe Rogan?

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• 39:22Speaker 02

  But why the evasion? Like, if you saw a Homo picathus, or whatever it's called, Australian Pithecanthropus. Holding up a cellphone, would you still go?

• 39:32Speaker 02

  Let's dart it and probe it and let it go. Why wouldn't you just go, "Hey, that monkey's got a cellphone. Let's go talk to it. We can talk. We have cellphones." Like, why the why the mysterious distance? Like, if they're in the ocean and they know we're intelligent beings, why not just come up and say, "Hey, anyone want to go snorkeling?"

• 39:55Joe Rogan?

  I think Australia Pithecus with a spear is about as intelligent to us as we are to them.

• 40:01Speaker 02

  But if they have an evolved language and they have communities and a civilization, isn't that enough for us to just walk into camp and go, "Hey, guys"? I mean, they did it with with, you know, tribes that live in the Amazon. Who's that guy? Who's the guy they boiled in the pot? That famous saying? What's that famous? Oh, I can't think of it right now. But anyways, we wandered into into the Amazon and walked right up to, like, weird Amazon tribal people. It's not like we hid and tried to hide from them.

• 40:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they didn't know those people were even there.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  Right. But when they found them, they integrated. They approached them. They go, "Hey, this is a t-shirt. This is a camera."

• 40:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but those were human beings that are the exact same kind of human beings as the people that were visiting them. They're not different species.

• 40:56Speaker 02

  Still.

• 40:57Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  So if you, Joe Rogan, were out in a field one day and you saw a new species of, like, people jumping around, having a picnic, sharing a salami, would you just hide behind a log and watch them? Or would you go, "Hey, who are you? What are you?"

• 41:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're not even allowed to contact uncontacted people.

• 41:22Speaker 02

  Say that again?

• 41:23Joe Rogan?

  You're not allowed to contact, like, North Sentinel Island, that island in the middle of the Indian Ocean where that preacher went and got killed because he was trying to bring the bibles?

• 41:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 41:33Joe Rogan?

  You're not allowed to contact uncontacted tribes.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  Uh, is that like all of them?

• 41:40Joe Rogan?

  Most of them.

• 41:41Speaker 02

  I don't think so.

• 41:41Joe Rogan?

  Indian Ocean, they, they, they have that North Sentinel Island protected. And you know, there's people that discourage people from contacting people in the Amazon. There's several uncontacted tribes in the Amazon.

• 41:52Speaker 02

  I wish they'd stay that way. Yeah.

• 41:54Joe Rogan?

  Stay uncontacted?

• 41:55Speaker 02

  Well, I don't want to see a beautiful like pygmy or someone from an Amazonian tribe wearing an Adidas shirt.

• 42:03Joe Rogan?

  Why not?

• 42:03Speaker 02

  Or a Hooters shirt.

• 42:05Joe Rogan?

  Hooters would be funny.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  No.

• 42:07Joe Rogan?

  That'd be funny.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  I want to see them wearing like kook kook feathers and, uh, you know, oocapick bones.

• 42:13Joe Rogan?

  I want to see a dude spearfishing with a Bucky's hat on.

• 42:16Speaker 02

  Oh, Joe. Come on, guy. No, no. See, that's.

• 42:22Joe Rogan?

  Why not?

• 42:23Speaker 02

  Well, then that's why the aliens under the ocean are staying away from us. They don't want to be corrupted by our ridiculous society of Hooters and Cracker barrels.

• 42:31Joe Rogan?

  Okay, if you were in the Amazon, wouldn't you want a T-shirt?

• 42:37Speaker 02

  If I was a, uh, uh.

• 42:39Joe Rogan?

  If you were walking through the Amazon, you, Harland Williams.

• 42:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:42Joe Rogan?

  The third, right now, alive in 2026. If you were in the Amazon and I said, would you like to wear a T-shirt while you're walking through the Amazon?

• 42:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:50Joe Rogan?

  What would you say?

• 42:50Speaker 02

  As a white, North American male?

• 42:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:53Speaker 02

  I'd say definitely.

• 42:54Joe Rogan?

  And they want one too. It's better than no T-shirt.

• 42:56Speaker 02

  No, it's not.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  You're the tribe of five people and one of them has a shirt and a hat.

• 43:00Joe Rogan?

  One of them's got a tight shirt and a hat.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, see, I hate that.

• 43:02Joe Rogan?

  Look, he's got flip flops. That guy on the right is baller.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  It's horrible.

• 43:05Joe Rogan?

  That is the baller of the fucking neighborhood. That's the guy that pulls up in the 65 Chevelle and everybody's like, look at him with his flip flops.

• 43:12Speaker 02

  I think that's that guy who wrote My Gharidaville. What was his name? That's Jimmy Buffett for God's sake.

• 43:19Joe Rogan?

  My Gharidaville.

• 43:21Speaker 02

  What's he called?

• 43:24Speaker 02

  Isn't that him? I think that's him.

• 43:27Joe Rogan?

  Uh, waste him. Well, we'll get dinged on YouTube for that, Jamie.

• 43:33Speaker 03

  You guys are getting way too close. Yeah.

• 43:35Joe Rogan?

  You know, you get dinged.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  Oh, you can't sing?

• 43:37Joe Rogan?

  They take away your fucking advertising revenue if you hum a song.

• 43:42Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 43:43Joe Rogan?

  These, these dirty criminals.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 43:45Joe Rogan?

  Hum.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  Hum.

• 43:47Joe Rogan?

  Hum a song, you dirty scumbags. Trying to steal advertising money.

• 43:51Speaker 02

  What if we mess with them and hum a tune and sort of play Name That Tune with them?

• 43:55Joe Rogan?

  You know what they'll do? They'll fucking ding ya.

• 43:58Speaker 02

  Even if they can't figure it out? Like, they've gotta sit around the office.

• 44:01Joe Rogan?

  They'll pretend, then you have to go to court.

• 44:03Speaker 02

  Name that tune in seven notes, and I'm like, "Mm, mm."

• 44:07Joe Rogan?

  Don't do it, don't do it.

• 44:08Speaker 02

  Do you know what I just did?

• 44:09Joe Rogan?

  You fucked us up.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Do you know what song that was?

• 44:11Joe Rogan?

  I don't care.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  I do.

• 44:13Joe Rogan?

  What is it?

• 44:14Speaker 02

  It was, uh, that Pink Floyd, uh, song.

• 44:18Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, don't say that, because then they'll get us.

• 44:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they don't know which one.

• 44:21Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't matter.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  And they can't prove it.

• 44:23Joe Rogan?

  They, they don't have, that's what you don't understand, they don't have to prove it.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 44:26Joe Rogan?

  All they have to do is make a claim.

• 44:28Speaker 02

  Huh.

• 44:28Joe Rogan?

  And then you have to fight it, and you'll lose.

• 44:30Speaker 02

  You're Joe Rogan, though, they're not gonna mess with you, guy.

• 44:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you're so incorrect.

• 44:36Speaker 02

  By the way, dude, you are jacked.

• 44:38Joe Rogan?

  I work out.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  Can we get your shirt off?

• 44:41Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 44:42Speaker 02

  How come? Joe? Don't be selfish.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  I want you to, would you please take your shirt off?

• 44:52Joe Rogan?

  For what reason?

• 44:53Speaker 02

  Because you have a beautiful body.

• 44:56Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 44:56Speaker 02

  And you work so hard at it. And no one gets to see it. And you know you want people to see it, but you can't do it. You can't go, "Well, I'm Joe Rogan, I crafted this body." But if I ask you to, you get to show it off.

• 45:14Joe Rogan?

  I don't really wanna show it off, that's why I wear clothes.

• 45:17Speaker 02

  You do, though.

• 45:18Joe Rogan?

  But I don't.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  It's like, if you did this podcast but didn't put it out, what's the point?

• 45:25Joe Rogan?

  I don't think that's the same thing.

• 45:27Speaker 02

  I would love it if you showed your beautiful body.

• 45:31Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 45:33Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 45:33Joe Rogan?

  There you go.

• 45:34Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, Joe? Dude, can we stand?

• 45:39Joe Rogan?

  No, that's enough.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  Dude, look at that.

• 45:41Joe Rogan?

  I have muscle.

• 45:42Speaker 02

  Can we talk about, before you put the shirt on, can we talk about it?

• 45:45Joe Rogan?

  What do you wanna talk about?

• 45:46Speaker 02

  How you do that.

• 45:47Joe Rogan?

  I work out, you could do it too.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  Well, ta-

• 45:50Joe Rogan?

  Do you work out?

• 45:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:52Joe Rogan?

  How often?

• 45:54Speaker 02

  Do you really wanna get into this?

• 45:55Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  You do?

• 45:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, how often do you work out?

• 46:00Speaker 02

  Because I'm about to crack an egg open on your show that I don't think anyone's ever talked about.

• 46:05Joe Rogan?

  How often do you work out?

• 46:06Speaker 02

  A lot.

• 46:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah? What are you doing these days?

• 46:10Speaker 02

  Okay, you want to get into this?

• 46:13Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  Here we go. Here we go, Joseph Zachary Rogan.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  I'm... I don't want to get in trouble. But I'm working out. By the way, beautiful body.

• 46:25Joe Rogan?

  Thank you very much.

• 46:26Speaker 02

  Your chest is stunning. See, I'm glad you did that.

• 46:28Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't even make me uncomfortable that you say that? Like, some men, I would be like, this is odd.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  No, no, I'm not a fly guy.

• 46:34Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean?

• 46:35Speaker 02

  Like homosexual.

• 46:43Speaker 02

  I'm straight as they come, but I believe in holding up people's hard work. And that didn't just come from sitting around eating Pringles and Baskin Robbins. You worked your ass off. You deserved to show it, and you never could because it's you. And now I get to help celebrate you, and all your fans got to see all that hard work, and I love it, guy.

• 47:05Speaker 02

  But I'm straight as a Chinese truck driver.

• 47:08Joe Rogan?

  Chinese truck drivers are never gay?

• 47:10Speaker 02

  Never.

• 47:11Joe Rogan?

  Is that part of the job?

• 47:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:13Joe Rogan?

  Seriously, how many dudes are jerking off under the ocean?

• 47:16Speaker 02

  How many guys are jerking off to you just taking your shirt off?

• 47:20Joe Rogan?

  A couple. But how many guys are jerking off to me taking my shirt off while they're under the ocean?

• 47:26Speaker 02

  Let me check.

• 47:27Joe Rogan?

  Have you got 14 subs? How many people on each sub? How many men are on each sub?

• 47:34Speaker 02

  It might not be known.

• 47:36Joe Rogan?

  Let's take a guess.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  They keep it very secret.

• 47:38Joe Rogan?

  If you had to guess, how many people are on each sub?

• 47:43Speaker 02

  I'm gonna say...

• 47:46Speaker 02

  Joe.

• 47:50Joe Rogan?

  A thousand?

• 47:51Speaker 03

  A lot more than that.

• 47:52Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 47:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:53Speaker 02

  On the Trident. The Trident are like floating cities.

• 47:57Speaker 03

  The number it gave me might be including all submarines, including like every government, not just ours.

• 48:04Joe Rogan?

  Okay. But how many, how many people are on each submarine? How many like could one of those submarines hold?

• 48:11Speaker 03

  A small, a small one is thirty to seventy. I'll show you.

• 48:15Joe Rogan?

  A small one?

• 48:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. Large one is a hundred and twenty, a hundred and forty.

• 48:19Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 48:19Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 48:20Speaker 03

  That seems about that. Big, a hundred and sixty maybe, max.

• 48:22Joe Rogan?

  And there's fourteen of them. So there's at least a thousand dudes underwater right now.

• 48:27Speaker 03

  Oh no, it said there's forty to seventy thousand.

• 48:29Joe Rogan?

  Forty to seventy thousand guys under the water?

• 48:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:32Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 48:33Speaker 02

  So don't worry about United States taking a hit, my guy.

• 48:36Joe Rogan?

  This is crazy.

• 48:37Speaker 02

  This wild?

• 48:38Joe Rogan?

  That's a crazy statistic.

• 48:40Speaker 02

  Are you glad I dropped by today?

• 48:42Joe Rogan?

  I'm always glad when you drop by. But this is crazy. Forty to seventy thousand people are underwater in submarines at any given moment with huge uncertainty. Why? We can only estimate. No Navy or company publishes a live count of how many submarines are deployed right now, or how many crew are aboard each one, and how many deployments are classified. Civilian research and tourism subs are also not tracked in a global, real-time way. Wow.

• 49:09Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 49:11Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. So that could be a whole new civilization. So if they blow up the earth, but how many chicks?

• 49:17Speaker 02

  Well, that's the thing. The ratio's probably not good.

• 49:20Joe Rogan?

  The ratio's probably nonexistent. How many chicks are in these subs?

• 49:24Speaker 02

  That's classified.

• 49:25Joe Rogan?

  Are they, do they have girls that serve in these subs?

• 49:28Speaker 02

  There's, there's girl submariners.

• 49:30Joe Rogan?

  What is the number? It's like ten to one?

• 49:32Speaker 02

  And worse, what do they look like?

• 49:35Joe Rogan?

  But I bet they're the fucking cream of the crop underwater.

• 49:38Speaker 02

  Cause the pressure squeezes in all the cellulite?

• 49:41Joe Rogan?

  No. No, there's no other girls.

• 49:43Speaker 02

  Oh, they're the, oh yeah, you got, you get what you get. Yeah.

• 49:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no competition. Like how many ladies? Let's take a guess at how many ladies are underwater at any given time. Twenty?

• 49:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:55Joe Rogan?

  Ten percent.

• 49:56Speaker 02

  Ten percent.

• 49:56Joe Rogan?

  Women are likely well under ten percent of submarines worldwide.

• 50:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:01Joe Rogan?

  With higher percentages in a few navies such as US and some NATO allies. Those are the ones that are in trouble.

• 50:07Speaker 03

  There's six hundred and nine, uh, signed submarines in the US, twenty twenty-three.

• 50:11Joe Rogan?

  Wow. Six hundred and nine women get, getting how many dudes hitting on them?

• 50:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:18Joe Rogan?

  It must be hell. Be underwater with a guy who's annoying you and you can't get away from him?

• 50:22Speaker 02

  Can't get away. He's farting.

• 50:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 50:25Speaker 02

  Underwater sex.

• 50:27Joe Rogan?

  Underwater farts must be.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, horrible. But let's.

• 50:30Joe Rogan?

  What do they do with the shit?

• 50:32Speaker 03

  They don't come up sometimes for months.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, the tridents go out for I think a year almost.

• 50:38Joe Rogan?

  And so what do they do with their shit?

• 50:40Speaker 02

  They just eject it. They eject it into the sea. They're not doing anything a whale isn't doing.

• 50:46Joe Rogan?

  But do they eject it into the sea?

• 50:48Speaker 02

  They have to. I mean, they can't make meatloaf.

• 50:50Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine if like during that process somehow or another it got clogged up?

• 50:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:54Joe Rogan?

  Cause somebody used too much toilet paper and the sub sinks?

• 50:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, fatty.

• 50:59Joe Rogan?

  Cause Javier just took a giant dump.

• 51:01Speaker 03

  They might melt it.

• 51:04Joe Rogan?

  Melt it?

• 51:04Speaker 02

  They can rise up too. Don't forget they can breach.

• 51:07Joe Rogan?

  Throw it into the nuclear pit where the engine is.

• 51:10Speaker 03

  They manage trash by compacting, melting, or jettisoning it to avoid.

• 51:15Joe Rogan?

  Okay, that's trash. What about poop?

• 51:17Speaker 03

  Well, I'd say.

• 51:18Joe Rogan?

  Did you ask about poop?

• 51:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:19Joe Rogan?

  Let's ask about poop, just specifically, because waste could mean, you know, paper cups.

• 51:23Speaker 03

  It's the same thing though. I would also go now, if you were jettisoning your poop everywhere, you might want to have detectors for human waste in the water. You might start figuring out where the submarines are. Maybe you don't want to do that.

• 51:35Joe Rogan?

  He's operating on another level.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  That was in the 40s probably.

• 51:38Joe Rogan?

  This is a dude that's into conspiracies.

• 51:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, shame me.

• 51:42Joe Rogan?

  He operates on other levels.

• 51:44Speaker 03

  They're tracking.

• 51:45Joe Rogan?

  Do you know that term can either confirm nor deny came from a Russian submarine that was sunk that we were pulling out of the ocean? And there was, and they had to, they got questioned about it. And they said, are, are we in possession of this Russian sub? Are we pulling it out of the ground? And they said, we can neither confirm nor deny, because they had to answer.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  Huh.

• 52:08Joe Rogan?

  So that is an answer without an answer.

• 52:10Speaker 02

  That's like.

• 52:10Joe Rogan?

  Can neither confirm nor deny.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  That's akin to saying pleading the fifth.

• 52:15Joe Rogan?

  Sort of, but it's you actually are answering. You can neither confirm nor deny.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  That's like saying I'm, what do you do for a living? I'm in heating and air conditioning.

• 52:25Joe Rogan?

  No, because that's a very specific trade.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  Well, they kind of counteract each other. What do you do? I'm in shipping and receiving.

• 52:34Speaker 02

  Are you sure? I can neither confirm nor deny. I mean, this is an avoidance problem that... But I want to talk to you about my workout regime.

• 52:44Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 52:45Speaker 02

  Because you asked.

• 52:46Joe Rogan?

  I did ask.

• 52:47Speaker 02

  I'm doing something so advanced.

• 52:51Speaker 02

  You do the ice baths, right?

• 52:53Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:54Speaker 02

  You soak in them?

• 52:55Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  So I'm doing something so extensive that I'm exercising myself into a new race.

• 53:06Joe Rogan?

  What are you becoming?

• 53:07Speaker 02

  And no one said this before on your podcast, I don't think. But I'm working out so hard to become a new race. And two words. Gera rafa. You take your ice baths. Gera rafa, my guy.

• 53:28Joe Rogan?

  What is that?

• 53:29Speaker 02

  Jamie, look it up and do it quick, you whore.

• 53:34Speaker 02

  I mean, do it quick.

• 53:39Joe Rogan?

  Gera rafa?

• 53:41Speaker 02

  Look it up.

• 53:42Joe Rogan?

  You're becoming a fish?

• 53:44Speaker 02

  Oh, that's not any fish. The gera rafa, people submerge their legs and feet into the tanks. And the gera rafa have vibrating lips, Joe. And they eat skin cells. Picture this underwater.

• 54:01Joe Rogan?

  So those are the ones like when you go into Thailand and ladies dump their legs into a fish pond?

• 54:05Speaker 02

  Right. Vibrating lips.

• 54:07Joe Rogan?

  And it clean your toes off?

• 54:09Speaker 02

  Joe?

• 54:13Joe Rogan?

  And how are you working out to become one of those?

• 54:15Speaker 02

  So while you're taking your ice baths, I'm submerging my whole body, my lower extremities, into one of these tanks.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  These fish are sculpting my body, my lower extremities. And, have you ever heard of malaria pills?

• 54:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 54:38Speaker 02

  So while everyone else is popping Ozempic and doing everything else, I've been on malaria pills for four years. And these things can flip your blood platelets. Okay, that's the power of malaria pills. They can actually change your red blood cell count and your white blood cell count. It's powerful medicine.

• 54:59Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  So with the use of my malaria pills and the Gararufas, and I don't know if you want to see the results, but my legs are hammer jacked right now.

• 55:12Joe Rogan?

  Let me see them, let's see.

• 55:13Speaker 02

  My legs are power steep.

• 55:15Joe Rogan?

  I took my shirt off, take your pants off.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  Okay, okay, are you sure?

• 55:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  And before I do it, I'm, I'm going into a new race and I don't want anyone to accuse me of doing black leg.

• 55:32Speaker 03

  Now this guy's baggy pants on.

• 55:33Speaker 02

  I don't know if you've ever seen,

• 55:35Joe Rogan?

  Take your pants off.

• 55:36Speaker 02

  The fastest man in the world is who?

• 55:39Joe Rogan?

  Hussein Bolt.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  Hussein Bolt. The biggest high jumper in the world is a black man. The longest long jumper is a black man. The highest vertical jumper is a black man. And this isn't racist, this isn't black leg, but this is me

• 55:58Joe Rogan?

  What are you doing?

• 55:58Speaker 02

  working out into a new race, and I'm proud of this.

• 56:02Joe Rogan?

  Pull your pants off.

• 56:06Speaker 02

  I wouldn't be laughing if I were you. These legs are jacked.

• 56:19Speaker 02

  Look at these legs.

• 56:21Joe Rogan?

  Why are they a different color?

• 56:23Speaker 02

  Well, I told you, I'm working out into another race.

• 56:26Joe Rogan?

  Dude, you do have fucking serious leg muscles, man.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:29Joe Rogan?

  Where'd you get those leg muscles?

• 56:30Speaker 02

  I told you.

• 56:32Joe Rogan?

  What's going on with your underwear? That's kind of crazy.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 56:36Joe Rogan?

  What is

• 56:37Speaker 03

  Thanks for covering it.

• 56:38Joe Rogan?

  What kind, what the fuck do you have on your legs?

• 56:42Speaker 02

  Dude, I told you, I'm working out right into another race.

• 56:45Joe Rogan?

  Are those your real legs?

• 56:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:47Joe Rogan?

  That's very impressive. You don't have like silicon over them or anything?

• 56:50Speaker 02

  Hell no.

• 56:51Joe Rogan?

  Those are your actual leg muscles?

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Wait a minute, why is-

• 56:52Joe Rogan?

  Giant leg muscles.

• 56:54Speaker 02

  Why is it you can take your shirt off and I don't, I compliment you?

• 56:58Joe Rogan?

  But it's like your legs don't ma- mass, they don't ma- match up with the rest of your body.

• 57:02Speaker 02

  Cause the color's off.

• 57:03Joe Rogan?

  No, the muscles are crazy. Stand up again.

• 57:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:06Joe Rogan?

  Those muscles are insane.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, look at these.

• 57:08Joe Rogan?

  Are those real?

• 57:09Speaker 02

  Well, what-

• 57:10Joe Rogan?

  Tell me the truth. They look like plastic.

• 57:11Speaker 02

  What are you talking about?

• 57:12Joe Rogan?

  It looks like you're wearing something.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Jim, come on.

• 57:15Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, those are the most insane legs I've ever seen in my life, right?

• 57:18Speaker 02

  Right?

• 57:18Joe Rogan?

  If that was a guy weighing in at a UFC fight, that would make sense, but-

• 57:22Speaker 03

  It'd go viral.

• 57:23Speaker 02

  Two words. Guerra Rafa.

• 57:27Joe Rogan?

  Where'd you get those legs?

• 57:29Speaker 02

  Dude, I sink them-

• 57:30Joe Rogan?

  If I sit in the tank, I'll get legs like that?

• 57:32Speaker 02

  Well, are you taking malaria pills?

• 57:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 57:36Speaker 02

  You do my combo.

• 57:39Joe Rogan?

  Do you wanna stand up? Let me see the pants.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 57:46Speaker 02

  And look at the skin difference.

• 57:49Joe Rogan?

  Pull, take your shirt off so I can see where the skin changes color.

• 57:52Speaker 02

  I, excuse me?

• 57:54Joe Rogan?

  I wanna see where the skin changes color.

• 57:56Speaker 02

  If you take your shirt off again, I will.

• 57:58Joe Rogan?

  But I just did.

• 57:59Speaker 02

  But I wanna do it together.

• 58:00Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  You son of a bit, you son of a bit. You, Rogan, what have you done for- What?

• 58:18Joe Rogan?

  Where did you get those fucking pants?

• 58:24Speaker 02

  Rog-

• 58:26Joe Rogan?

  Don't fall in there, don't fall in there.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  A gourd.

• 58:32Speaker 02

  The only thing I could fit in there was a gourd.

• 58:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god. When I first saw your legs, I was like, what the fuck is going on? How does he have legs like that?

• 58:57Speaker 03

  I noticed earlier, he's got some baggy pants on.

• 58:59Joe Rogan?

  I know, Jamie noticed that.

• 59:03Joe Rogan?

  Where the fuck did you get those pants?

• 59:06Speaker 02

  Dude, why can't I look good?

• 59:09Joe Rogan?

  You look great.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  God.

• 59:11Joe Rogan?

  You can wear those, like, to a pool, like a public pool, and the ladies would definitely be checking you out.

• 59:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:17Joe Rogan?

  They're like, "Look at his gourd."

• 59:21Speaker 02

  Can I leave the gourd with Dimitri? Can we add to the collection?

• 59:25Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna have people smell it. I'm gonna tell them, "Smell that." And then I'm gonna tell them that was in Harland Williams' pants.

• 59:32Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 59:33Joe Rogan?

  Not even in his pants. It was, like, rubbing up against his cock. I'm gonna leave that there for people to smell.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, next time someone comes in, "What's all this stuff here?"

• 59:41Speaker 03

  Grab it first.

• 59:42Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, "Smell that."

• 59:43Speaker 02

  Can I pull my pants up?

• 59:45Joe Rogan?

  You put, yeah, sure.

• 59:46Speaker 02

  Feels weird sitting here with my pants down.

• 59:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, you are wearing pants. You're wearing rubber pants.

• 59:51Speaker 02

  Well...

• 59:52Joe Rogan?

  Rubber muscle pants.

• 59:54Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 59:54Joe Rogan?

  Don't you want legs like that for real?

• 59:56Speaker 02

  Joe.

• 59:58Joe Rogan?

  Wouldn't it be awesome?

• 59:59Speaker 02

  That's like me saying, "Don't you want a chest like that for real?" You're hairier than I thought.

• 1:00:04Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  Are you part Armenian?

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  Are you?

• 1:00:10Joe Rogan?

  No. No.

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  Great. Hang on, I gotta pull my pants up.

• 1:00:19Speaker 03

  God. What's it look like from behind?

• 1:00:24Speaker 03

  Put the gourd back in.

• 1:00:28Speaker 03

  There we go.

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  Ah, suck!

• 1:00:34Speaker 03

  Blur that, I don't know.

• 1:00:36Joe Rogan?

  Do we have to blur it?

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:00:37Joe Rogan?

  No, it's a gourd.

• 1:00:39Speaker 02

  And you're worried about a song getting dinged?

• 1:00:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:00:51Joe Rogan?

  Silly motherfucker.

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  Joe.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  God.

• 1:01:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:01:02Speaker 02

  Do you know how

• 1:01:03Joe Rogan?

  I'm crying.

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  Do you know how moist my balls are right now? Yeah, how bad that gourd must smell.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  Joe.

• 1:01:16Joe Rogan?

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• 1:02:16Speaker 02

  But I am proud of you because

• 1:02:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:02:30Speaker 02

  I'm proud of you that you took your shirt off because I'm not joking. You worked so hard for that.

• 1:02:35Joe Rogan?

  Thank you.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  And you could never show it. You had to have a conduit. You had to have someone invite you to do it so it didn't look self-centered or conceited. You deserve to show that hard work to the world.

• 1:02:48Joe Rogan?

  Thank you.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  Good for you.

• 1:02:50Joe Rogan?

  Thank you.

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  And you look great.

• 1:02:51Joe Rogan?

  Thank you very much.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  You're welcome. I love it. And I hope it's an inspiration to people watching to want to be as physically fit and put together. It's great, right?

• 1:03:04Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 1:03:05Speaker 02

  I feel like, remember when you were a kid, they had those books where you could take half a body and half a body? And remember they're little kids books?

• 1:03:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, you fold them over.

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  I feel like if we took your upper part and put it on my lower part, we'd have the immaculate human being and then those fart bubbles from the bottom of the ocean wouldn't have a trouble coming around.

• 1:03:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  You look like me and Joe Zachary Rogen, those fart bubbles from the areolae drench will come up and suck us a dirty lasagna.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  Ah, sorry, I get excited, Joe.

• 1:03:44Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it's the like forever chemicals leaking through the rubber underwear you're wearing.

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  They're not underwear, how dare you. Those are my legs.

• 1:03:52Joe Rogan?

  If you take them off because you're sweating, that's leaching into your blood right now, all the BPAs.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  God.

• 1:03:59Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to die.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  But you know what's interesting? My legs are bronze. And we don't talk about the bronze people, we always talk about white and black. But what about the bronzies? The Incas, the Mayas. I mean, these people and the legs on them, did you ever see Apocalypto? And I don't know if this is in any history books anywhere, but those bronzies could motor.

• 1:04:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, true.

• 1:04:27Speaker 02

  So I've got legs where if I'm being chased, if a rapist is coming after me, I'm out of here, there's three men in this room, two of you are getting raped, not me.

• 1:04:39Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:42Speaker 02

  I mean, these legs, I could jump over, uh, Dolly Parton's gazebo.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  By the way, speaking of areolae, have you seen hers?

• 1:04:51Joe Rogan?

  I haven't.

• 1:04:52Speaker 02

  They're the size of lily pads.

• 1:04:54Joe Rogan?

  How do you know?

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  I had a one nighter with her about three weeks ago.

• 1:04:57Joe Rogan?

  A one night show?

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  A one night stand. We were jackhammering all night, picked her up at a bar in Malibu, hammer jacket.

• 1:05:05Joe Rogan?

  I don't think it was really Dolly Parton.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  It was, it was Parton. Oh, she was that night.

• 1:05:09Joe Rogan?

  You sure it wasn't a lady wearing a mask?

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  Dude, it was her and her areolae is the size of lily pads. I'm not kidding, I woke up in the morning, there were two bullfrogs sitting on her tits.

• 1:05:23Speaker 02

  Why you looking at me like that?

• 1:05:25Joe Rogan?

  She's kinda old to be fucking.

• 1:05:27Speaker 02

  Not for me. Have you seen my legs?

• 1:05:29Joe Rogan?

  Also, she's a very respected lady. I think it's very rude. Eighty.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  Well, it's because I said, it's the way I said effing. We, we made love.

• 1:05:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, I feel better now.

• 1:05:39Speaker 02

  We made love and her areolas are the size of lily pads.

• 1:05:42Joe Rogan?

  I feel a lot better now, thank you.

• 1:05:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to.

• 1:05:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  I should keep it classy.

• 1:05:47Joe Rogan?

  Do you like them big, the big areolas?

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  I like a big areola. Right, reminds me of a pancake.

• 1:05:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  Like, sometimes I'll put a dollop of butter on it.

• 1:05:55Joe Rogan?

  It's a robust woman.

• 1:05:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:57Joe Rogan?

  Like, what's a lot going on there? This big areola is...

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. And the dark ones. And they're great to take with you camping. If you ever have a rubber raft and you get a hole in it, you can rip one off and patch it.

• 1:06:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus.

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:11Joe Rogan?

  That's not what I was thinking.

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  Well, you don't camp much.

• 1:06:14Joe Rogan?

  Just bring a patch.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, but if you don't have one, you can rip off a dirty areola.

• 1:06:19Joe Rogan?

  That you're hoping you're gonna get out of the woods.

• 1:06:22Speaker 02

  Well, if you can't, and you're with a chick, you got an areola.

• 1:06:26Joe Rogan?

  Lose her areola forever just because you forgot to bring a patch?

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's, you're, you're, what do you want? One, your one areola less so you have your life back?

• 1:06:34Joe Rogan?

  Plus, if she's eighty, they don't, those don't heal that good. She could die from infection.

• 1:06:39Speaker 02

  It's about living. It's not about having an areola. You wanna get out of the woods or not, uh, one titty Jackson, or whatever her name is.

• 1:06:49Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Tough love.

• 1:06:50Speaker 02

  Speaking of sex, have you been on this OnlyFans thing? Have you gone on?

• 1:06:55Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't go on it.

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  It's all I'm hearing about. You, right? All you hear about now is OnlyFans.com.

• 1:07:01Joe Rogan?

  Yep. They do comedy shows.

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  I finally go on this thing, cuz it's all I'm hearing about. OnlyFans.com. I go on about a week ago, and I'm on there for about two hours. And it's just video after video after picture, and I'm on there so long my eyes are like...

• 1:07:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  Spinning. And finally, I stop the damn thing, and I'm like, screw this. I already have central air conditioning. Why the hell am I looking at this site? I don't need a fan. I mean, good lord.

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  I'll pull my legs out. I will pull my dirty bronze legs out and wrap them around your neck like a dirty anaconda.

• 1:07:51Joe Rogan?

  The fuck is wrong with you? You think if you're a woman, you'd be doing OnlyFans?

• 1:07:56Speaker 02

  You know, it's an interesting question. It's a moral, moral dilemma, isn't it?

• 1:08:01Joe Rogan?

  Let's imagine if Harland was a female and Harland was 21 and just got here from Canada.

• 1:08:06Speaker 02

  With these legs?

• 1:08:07Joe Rogan?

  With those legs.

• 1:08:08Speaker 02

  Oh, I'd be on.

• 1:08:09Joe Rogan?

  Not a lot of ways to make a living, but you're cute.

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  Desperate times call for desperate matters, Joe Rogan.

• 1:08:16Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:08:17Speaker 02

  You know, it's a, it's a, it's a serious question and it's almost a sad one in today's world.

• 1:08:22Joe Rogan?

  It is.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  Because in the old days, you had your sex industry sort of confined to the shadows.

• 1:08:29Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  And now anyone's daughter, cousin, niece, nephew, that they can suddenly be exposed to the world in the most promiscuous way, but in the most profitable way.

• 1:08:40Joe Rogan?

  That's the problem is also you get addicted to the money. Let's imagine. Let's imagine you're a lady.

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  Ugh.

• 1:08:46Joe Rogan?

  And, um, you have a site and, you know, you show your feet and stick things inside your butt or whatever you do. And you're making...

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  What was that last part?

• 1:08:55Joe Rogan?

  Stick stuff inside your butt.

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  If you're a lady?

• 1:08:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:59Speaker 02

  Like what?

• 1:08:59Joe Rogan?

  Some ladies, they put, uh, like dildos in there and stuff.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  Okay, have you ever seen that?

• 1:09:05Joe Rogan?

  No, but I'm just assuming it happens. Doesn't that happen, Jimmy? Sure. Sure.

• 1:09:09Speaker 02

  You've never seen a lady do that?

• 1:09:11Joe Rogan?

  I'm pure as a driven snow, sir.

• 1:09:14Speaker 02

  Joe?

• 1:09:16Joe Rogan?

  Not in real life.

• 1:09:17Speaker 02

  You haven't?

• 1:09:18Joe Rogan?

  No. Stick a rubber dick inside their butthole?

• 1:09:22Speaker 02

  You've never seen that? Why not?

• 1:09:24Joe Rogan?

  I'm, I'm not interested.

• 1:09:25Speaker 02

  You ever been through a car wash?

• 1:09:27Joe Rogan?

  I have.

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  What's the difference?

• 1:09:30Joe Rogan?

  It's a big difference. One of them is your butt where you shit out of and you're putting a rubber dick inside it, or the other one is you're getting your car washed.

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  You make a good point.

• 1:09:39Joe Rogan?

  Point is, my, if you were making.

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:42Joe Rogan?

  If you're doing all this and you develop the nice fan base, you're making a hundred thousand a month, three hundred thousand a month.

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:48Joe Rogan?

  And then you don't feel good about yourself. And what do you do? Do you just save up the money and quit? How, if you meet a nice guy and, and he's like, so what do you do for a living? You're like, well, let me tell you, I don't want to do it anymore. But I take rubber dicks and I oil my butthole up and I shove them in there. You know, HD camera, a few inches from my butthole and guys send me tips.

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  I think the subtext here, Joe, is what is the price you put on your dignity?

• 1:10:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:21Speaker 02

  What is the price you put on your spirit? Because this stuff, it may seem fun in the moment, but you get down the road and it follows you.

• 1:10:34Joe Rogan?

  You know, we looked it up.

• 1:10:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:36Joe Rogan?

  It's something crazy, like 10% of girls aged 18 to 24 in the United States are on OnlyFans.

• 1:10:45Speaker 02

  This is a, this is a tough question and you can tell me to shut up if you want.

• 1:10:49Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:10:50Speaker 02

  You have a daughter, don't you?

• 1:10:51Joe Rogan?

  I have three daughters.

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  You have three daughters. I have four sisters. If one of your daughters.

• 1:10:56Joe Rogan?

  I would not want that.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  She was doing OnlyFans, what would your reaction be?

• 1:11:00Joe Rogan?

  I think I made a, a big failure as a parent.

• 1:11:03Speaker 02

  But how would you approach it with said daughter?

• 1:11:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, you would give them advice. First of all, your daughter or your son or is a human being. You don't own them, right?

• 1:11:14Speaker 02

  Good point. Touchy point, but good point.

• 1:11:16Joe Rogan?

  If you treat them like you own them and they have to listen to you, they'll never listen to you and they're gonna rebel. This is just human nature.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  Excellent point. I'm with you so far.

• 1:11:25Joe Rogan?

  You have to give them advice and you have to talk to them and talk to them about the repercussions of what they're doing and realize that this stuff will follow you. And some people are gonna be fine with that. Look, there's some ladies that are like, look, I don't ever want a fucking regular job. I'm not, I'm ashamed of my body and maybe they're not sticking things up their butt. Maybe they're just being naked and they're like, this is way better than having a job. Fine. What does it say here? Top 1%. Top earners make about 18,000 to 49,000 dollars per year. Whoa, that's it?

• 1:11:55Speaker 02

  That's not much. I could work at Denny's for that.

• 1:11:58Joe Rogan?

  What? So the top 0.1% make 100,000 per month, or 1.2 million annual. That's the top 0.1. But the top 1% only make 18,000 to 49,000 a year. So imagine, you're making 18,000 dollars, or 49,000 dollars a year, you're still living in poverty. If you're making 18,000 dollars a year, you're poor, and you are showing your pussy, and no one's paying for it.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. Wait a minute, but Joe, I know that you...

• 1:12:28Joe Rogan?

  Look at that.

• 1:12:30Speaker 02

  You have a bit of a rage side. Like, Joe knows how to rage, because you're a fighter. You know how to go into that red zone. You're an, you can be an intimidating force. Is there a world where your daughter says, Daddy, I'm doing this, and Joe just goes, "You're fucking not." Like, is it, do you go into the red zone, or do you just...

• 1:12:48Joe Rogan?

  That's not gonna, if you do that with your kids, they're not gonna listen to you.

• 1:12:51Speaker 02

  But what if you did it just because of the reaction where you were so mad or disappointed in them?

• 1:12:55Joe Rogan?

  I would only be that mad if someone was doing something terrible to them.

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:12:59Joe Rogan?

  Or, you know...

• 1:13:00Speaker 02

  You're a good dad.

• 1:13:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, you have to be...

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  I like, I like what I'm hearing here.

• 1:13:04Joe Rogan?

  You have to, you have to be a human.

• 1:13:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:07Joe Rogan?

  You're their parent, but you also, you gotta understand human nature. I know people that yell at their kids, or, and I know kids that have been yelled at, and they always resent that. They, they, they're always angry. It's a, it's a stupid way to handle things.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  Something happened here just now that I was not expecting today.

• 1:13:23Joe Rogan?

  What's that?

• 1:13:25Speaker 02

  I got to see a side of you that I didn't know if it was there or not, because I don't know your family life. But I got to feel for a second dad vibes, dad love, and I think, I sort of pictured you sitting with your daughter and being very reasonable and loving.

• 1:13:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, hopefully I never have to have that conversation.

• 1:13:45Speaker 02

  I hope so too, but I, I, I see you as an understanding, nurturing dad in that moment. I love that.

• 1:13:51Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  That's what I can feel.

• 1:15:55Joe Rogan?

  But also you gotta be very supportive too.

• 1:15:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:57Joe Rogan?

  It's hard to be a kid, man. It's even harder to be a kid today than ever before because of social media and all the pressures that they face. And then also this weird world that they're entering into where AI might be taking all the jobs. So they're like, what the fuck am I gonna do? What am I gonna do with my life?

• 1:16:13Speaker 02

  I love AI.

• 1:16:14Joe Rogan?

  Do you? You're all in?

• 1:16:15Speaker 02

  I'm all in.

• 1:16:16Joe Rogan?

  What's your favorite part about it?

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  I love it, Joe, because it's it's opening a door to creativity for everybody. Now, a lot of people are being pessimistic and saying it's taking away our creativity. But think about any art gallery you've ever been to. You go in, you see the Renoir, the Degas, the Dalí, all the all the usual suspects. Van Gogh, Goya, all of them, right?

• 1:16:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  Those have all been placed there over the centuries as the art that we all know and have adopted. And that came from a select group of individuals, very talented, contributed to our culture and our history. But it's a pool of about maybe 200 artists through the course of history.

• 1:17:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  Now, think about a guy you bumped into working in the sprinkler aisle at Home Depot three weeks ago, who's got a wife and kids and maybe doesn't have the opportunity or the wherewithal to tap into his artistry. But now that guy and the guy at Dunkin' Donuts and the girl that works at the car wash and every human being now has a way to express their hidden talents. And so with AI, they can go home at the end of the night and press a few buttons and go, I imagined this thing and AI is letting me get it out and the world gets to see it. Same with medicine, same with inventions. How many Elon Musks are there that grew up in poverty and never got the chance

• 1:17:52Speaker 02

  to expand on a concept or an idea because they didn't have the means? But if AI starts to open these doors for every human being, think of the barrage of incredible visual and conceptual designs that are going to come at us and a lot of them will probably be practical and actually work. And the common man and woman didn't have access to that before.

• 1:18:16Joe Rogan?

  That's one way of looking at it. That's super positive.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 1:18:19Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 1:18:20Speaker 02

  Example, in my own life, I come from the animation world and I like to write. And a few years back, I pitched an animation idea around Hollywood and it got rejected. And so now me and a few of my friends in the dawn of AI are creating the same thing that got rejected. And we're going to put it out into the world. We couldn't have done it two, three years ago. It would have cost us $3 million. Now we're doing it for a few thousand. And it looks like a Pixar movie. It looks like Pixar. So if you tell me that AI isn't opening a whole new world, it's not true. It is. It's letting all of us dig really deep and expose our gifts and our talents.

• 1:19:04Speaker 02

  And yeah, there's always the downside, but let's try and look at the good side of it, too.

• 1:19:10Joe Rogan?

  I like what you're saying.

• 1:19:11Speaker 02

  Thank you, Joe.

• 1:19:12Joe Rogan?

  Um, the downside is the people that don't want to be creative and they want to be accountants. Or they want to be lawyers. They want to, like, those jobs are going to go away.

• 1:19:22Speaker 02

  How about that accountant's an accountant because he can never tap into the artistry that hides within him? Or the lawyer.

• 1:19:29Joe Rogan?

  Perhaps.

• 1:19:29Speaker 02

  But now, after hitting the machines all day, he can go home and go, you know what? I never could have done this before, but I'm going to create an image, a painting, a drawing in 10 minutes that I've always wanted to show the world. So that's what I'm saying. Even those pessimists can now throw off the demons on their back that are inhibiting them, and it's going to allow all of us to be so much more expressive.

• 1:19:54Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  That's my take.

• 1:19:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, hopefully, I mean, that's the question, like, what do people do if there's no more jobs? And you just get money from the government because AI creates so many, so much abundant resource that no one has to work anymore. Are you going to find things to do that are interesting? And maybe AI is going to help you do that.

• 1:20:13Speaker 02

  I'll tell you this, Joe. In probably seven or eight years, I bet we're sitting here, me and you, going, remember AI?

• 1:20:24Speaker 02

  Because we're humans, man. We don't stop. People think AI is gonna be the end of the line. It's just another stepping stone to our progression to where we're meant to go. You believe in higher forces, I know that. So this is just one of the stairs. Remember when people thought, "I'm not getting a cellphone. I'm not getting on the internet. I don't want a fax machine." But we just keep going. We're humans. We keep going up those stairs. We're adventurers. We're curious. We never stop. And so AI is just another small thing. As big as it seems, now as robust as it seems, it's just a small step in the giant ladder that's leading this weird species that we are to a bigger, higher distant place.

• 1:21:09Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. Look at you, dude. You should do a seminar.

• 1:21:12Speaker 02

  I should show my legs again.

• 1:21:14Joe Rogan?

  You should tell everybody all these thoughts you have.

• 1:21:17Speaker 02

  Well, I'm telling right now. We're sharing them.

• 1:21:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  But don't you think all these things we come up with are leading to something where we're meant to go?

• 1:21:27Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:21:28Speaker 02

  I don't think we're all just here randomly in wars and fighting and this. I think it's all... We're the worker ants right now. And we're the platform for the future worker ants to get to the pinnacle that we don't even know what it is yet. And maybe there is no pinnacle. But whatever force created us, Joe, they want us to keep going. That's why we search the oceans and the space and the moon and the planets. We're gonna keep going.

• 1:21:54Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:21:54Speaker 02

  And AI is a tool for us to get there. So you can be pessimistic. You can be like, "Oh, AI and all." But why don't you just spend your time looking at the positive side of things?

• 1:22:07Joe Rogan?

  I agree with you about the direction that we're going. I think that's what we're meant to do. Yeah.

• 1:22:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:13Joe Rogan?

  I just think that we are in a time of insane change, and that makes people scared.

• 1:22:19Speaker 02

  It does.

• 1:22:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:20Speaker 02

  But you know, being scared almost also makes us feel alive.

• 1:22:25Joe Rogan?

  A little bit.

• 1:22:26Speaker 02

  Think about the most vibrant moments in your life.

• 1:22:30Joe Rogan?

  How about after 9/11? Remember those days?

• 1:22:31Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. People, people... It's like someone kicked the ant nest open. And we were all scurrying around looking for the eggs. The ants always preserve the eggs.

• 1:22:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  But those eggs were our lives and our neighbors. We were talking and communicating.

• 1:22:45Joe Rogan?

  We're friendly with each other.

• 1:22:46Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:22:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:47Speaker 02

  We realized the importance of a communal existence. We realize the importance of needing each other.

• 1:22:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, people get very complacent and they need to be shook up every now and then.

• 1:22:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:58Joe Rogan?

  It's very good for you.

• 1:22:59Speaker 02

  And maybe AI, if there's one downside to it, it could maybe create a bigger cocoon for us because we'll have so much at our fingertips, it may isolate us even more.

• 1:23:09Joe Rogan?

  Maybe.

• 1:23:10Speaker 02

  But we have to look beyond all these weird parameters we set and go, what's the upside? What's it doing for us?

• 1:23:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's inevitable and it's gonna happen no matter what. And I think people always figure out a way to be okay.

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:23Joe Rogan?

  And I think that's gonna happen and there's gonna be a time of great upheaval and it's gonna change a lot, but hopefully people will be all right and they're gonna have to adapt and learn and grow.

• 1:23:34Speaker 02

  And we always have.

• 1:23:35Joe Rogan?

  And we always have.

• 1:23:36Speaker 02

  And we always will.

• 1:23:37Joe Rogan?

  And most likely, it'll be better for everybody overall. This idea that Elon keeps pushing is universal high income, is that people will have plenty of money, abundant resources, and there's not gonna be a problem of food, shelter, medical, education, all that stuff's gonna go away because of AI. And the real problem be what do you decide to do with your life? What do you decide to do with your time?

• 1:24:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:24:01Joe Rogan?

  But you'll have the freedom to do whatever you want with your time. Just think about how little crime there's gonna be if there's abundant resources and no one has to steal anymore. No more stealing, no more robbing, and no more poverty. Literally no more poverty.

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:24:16Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if that's possible or if it is in 50 years or 100 years, but no more poverty is wild.

• 1:24:21Speaker 02

  No more poverty is a reality. Criminality, I think, you have to remember, there's people who don't engage in criminality to make money. They engage in criminality as a passion. A lot of criminals like the process. They like the game playing. They like the herd and the chess moves. They like winning, they like deceiving.

• 1:24:44Joe Rogan?

  Right, they like drug dealing.

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:24:46Joe Rogan?

  Making a big deal and a submarine shows up in San Diego.

• 1:24:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:50Joe Rogan?

  Pull the fucking coke bags out.

• 1:24:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:24:52Joe Rogan?

  Throw them in the back of a Mercedes.

• 1:24:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:54Joe Rogan?

  You'll listen to the Miami Vice scene track.

• 1:24:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. Or there's even the adversarial component where they like the idea of killing their competition.

• 1:25:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a war.

• 1:25:05Speaker 02

  So I don't think we'll ever transcend.

• 1:25:09Speaker 02

  You know, the criminal element of it.

• 1:25:11Joe Rogan?

  We could. We could if we.

• 1:25:13Speaker 02

  You never know though.

• 1:25:14Joe Rogan?

  If AI develops to the point where we have literal telepathy, we could read each other's minds. You won't be able to plot any kind of crimes like that anymore.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  Or, and this is because I think it never ends, does AI design something to help us plot? You know what I mean?

• 1:25:32Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, maybe just if you're a criminal, it just puts you in a simulation where you're allowed to do like grand theft auto, but in real life.

• 1:25:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:39Joe Rogan?

  You know, you just lock in, and all of a sudden you're in the streets of Chicago. And you're running down the street with a gun, you shoot a guy and take his Mercedes. And you're just having a good time, but then you come right back to real life.

• 1:25:52Joe Rogan?

  And it's fine. Everything's fine.

• 1:25:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, this is what I like, that it's so endless and it's gonna take so many twists and turns.

• 1:26:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, then this question is, has that already happened? Are we in a simulation right now?

• 1:26:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I think we talked about this last time.

• 1:26:07Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people think we are.

• 1:26:08Speaker 02

  I don't believe so.

• 1:26:09Joe Rogan?

  Smarter than me.

• 1:26:10Speaker 02

  But can I take you back a second?

• 1:26:13Joe Rogan?

  Take me back to the old days.

• 1:26:15Speaker 02

  Exactly. Picture Pioneer Village, Betty O'Connor churning some butter down by the blacksmith's shop. Kyle McGivens shaving timbers to build a log cabin.

• 1:26:28Joe Rogan?

  Amish.

• 1:26:29Speaker 02

  Do you think that those people who were in covered wagons and were us, just the old version of us? Do you think they ever pulled the covered wagon to the side of the trail and went, hey Jedediah, do you think we're in a simulation?

• 1:26:46Speaker 02

  Like, I think we've created this simulation talk because we do have all this computer and, you know, we're in this world now that's full of contraptions.

• 1:26:57Joe Rogan?

  Okay, let me ask you.

• 1:26:58Speaker 02

  But I don't think we're in a simulation. But I, go ahead.

• 1:27:01Joe Rogan?

  Are you sure the Pioneer days even really happened?

• 1:27:05Speaker 02

  Wow, you got me, you son of a whore.

• 1:27:07Joe Rogan?

  You don't know.

• 1:27:08Speaker 02

  And I'm walking off the show. I'm walking off the show. Fuck you. And this isn't a simulation.

• 1:27:13Joe Rogan?

  Take those big rubber legs, get the fuck out of here.

• 1:27:20Speaker 02

  The only guy to walk off your show with fake legs.

• 1:27:25Joe Rogan?

  I mean, if you think about it, we think that the pioneer days happened. We can go to the museum and we could see pioneer day wheels and...

• 1:27:32Speaker 02

  What about the butter churnin', Joe? The sweet butter churnin'?

• 1:27:36Joe Rogan?

  There's a bunch of people that studied it in universities, allegedly, if they're real people. I don't even know if they're real. I don't even know if you're real. Why would you have rubber legs? This doesn't make sense. You showed up here with rubber pants and a gourd over your cock? It doesn't make any sense. No one would do that.

• 1:27:53Speaker 02

  I don't even think I'm real anymore.

• 1:27:54Joe Rogan?

  You might not be.

• 1:27:55Speaker 02

  Good point.

• 1:27:56Joe Rogan?

  For real, for real.

• 1:27:58Speaker 02

  I, I think we're real. I, I think it's not a simulation. I don't know, how, how, how do you make a simulation? Like, how, what, we're just, we're all like pixels right now and like, where there's too much...

• 1:28:09Joe Rogan?

  Do you know the, uh, DMT laser thing?

• 1:28:13Speaker 02

  What do you mean? That, like, the...

• 1:28:14Joe Rogan?

  So when people smoke DMT, apparently if you use like a DeWalt construction laser, you know, and those lasers they use to make sure things are level?

• 1:28:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:23Joe Rogan?

  If you get above that laser and look down on it, you see code in the later, in the laser.

• 1:28:30Speaker 02

  Like Matrix code, like the numbers?

• 1:28:32Joe Rogan?

  Like Matrix code. It's like, and people see the same code. They, they describe it exactly the same.

• 1:28:37Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:28:37Joe Rogan?

  And so people see it, that if you look to the side, you look underneath it, you look, you see the code in the laser. And people think that this laser is exposing the code of the simulation that we live in. This is supposedly what it looks like.

• 1:28:51Speaker 02

  I mean, I just am not there, buddy.

• 1:28:54Joe Rogan?

  You see symbols and like weird number, I haven't done it.

• 1:28:57Speaker 02

  If I see the whole drum set, I'm in, but if it's just the symbols, forget it.

• 1:29:02Joe Rogan?

  I haven't done it, but I know a lot of people who have done it. And everyone that I know that's done it has said the same thing. They said, "It is fucking insane."

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  DMT?

• 1:29:11Joe Rogan?

  No, yeah, but DMT with this laser thing. So when you look down the laser, everybody that I know that's done it say it blew their fucking mind. You see all these weird symbols that look like hieroglyphs or some foreign language or numbers and it's very bizarre.

• 1:29:29Speaker 02

  I don't know, it just seems to me, why run us through the drama of a life, a human life, where we're born, we endure pain, illness, suffering, love, hate, all the emotions, just to be a simulation? I don't get the reason for that.

• 1:29:47Joe Rogan?

  What's the reason for if it's not a simulation?

• 1:29:50Speaker 02

  It's organic. It's just organic life.

• 1:29:53Joe Rogan?

  But, okay, what is organic?

• 1:29:55Speaker 02

  It's made of the earth, born of the environment.

• 1:29:58Joe Rogan?

  Right, but isn't that like this entire computing process? Where single-celled organisms figured out how to become multicelled organisms, figured out how to interact with their environment, figured out the ecosystem, figured out how to balance itself off with both predator and prey and food and water and resources?

• 1:30:13Speaker 02

  Right, but it's so very intricate and delicate. You have to bring into the question, was it organic or organic under the guise of a bigger creator?

• 1:30:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe the bigger creator is the simulation itself.

• 1:30:29Speaker 02

  Damn it, Rogan, you know, I'm walking again. Oh, fuck off, I'm out.

• 1:30:33Joe Rogan?

  Take them rubber legs and get the fuck out of here. Maybe the problem is calling it a simulation.

• 1:30:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't like that.

• 1:30:40Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it's not that it's not real.

• 1:30:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:43Joe Rogan?

  But that there is an underlying program that's running. Maybe instead of thinking of it as simulation, because you think of it as simulation, you think of it as not real. Like, when I slap my arm, it hurts a little. Like, that's real.

• 1:30:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:30:56Joe Rogan?

  If I knock my knee, that hurts. But it's not that it's not real, but that it's running a program. And this program, what we talked about earlier, when you're saying that people are moving towards something bigger and a new version of what we are.

• 1:31:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:11Joe Rogan?

  Maybe that's a part of the program. Maybe the program is that all of these different components have to work together. This is why we'll never get rid of evil. You need evil so that you appreciate good. You want rainy days so you appreciate the sunshine. You want, like, good times and bad times. You have to have a little bit of bad times so you appreciate the good times. You have to have some days where you feel like shit so that you appreciate good days. You have to have bad friends so you appreciate really good friends.

• 1:31:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:31:37Joe Rogan?

  All that stuff balances itself out and is moving towards something. And what is it moving towards? The thing that we're involved in right now, AI. It's moving towards the creation of a new life form that's far more intelligent than we are. And it's probably a part of this whole process.

• 1:31:54Speaker 02

  Okay, valid. I like what you just said. But I'm gonna expand on it a little.

• 1:32:00Joe Rogan?

  Please do.

• 1:32:01Speaker 02

  You're coming at it from a human perspective, where you're channeling it through, you know, a human mind, which is beautiful and endless, and we can think beyond, you know, the scope of who knows where our imaginations end.

• 1:32:15Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:32:16Speaker 02

  But that's because we're humans and we have the capacity. But to the schools of salmon spawning up the river and the moose fighting with a grizzly bear right now, and the ants running around in their nest, did you think, why would they be part of a simulation? And I don't think any other living entity thinks simulation.

• 1:32:36Joe Rogan?

  I don't think you have to say simulation. I think it's a program. And I think all those other different creatures are a part of the ecosystem. Like, you need the bears, you need the salmon, you need the deer, you need the vegetation, you need the animals that run through the grasses and shit on them and make manure.

• 1:32:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:32:54Joe Rogan?

  All that stuff feeds off, and we exist in that thing, and we're moving in this direction of technological innovation and moving towards this new future that's happening right in front of our eyes right now.

• 1:33:06Speaker 02

  But there's so many processes in what you just said. And it's like, why have them all? Why not just plop us down as humans?

• 1:33:15Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:33:15Speaker 02

  And we don't need trees and grass, we just live in kind of a vacuous, vapent airspace.

• 1:33:22Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 1:33:22Speaker 02

  We still do our jobs, but we don't, why do we need all the, why do we need mosquitoes and slugs and fungus? Like, I know why we need them biologically to make everything symbiotic, but if it's just a...

• 1:33:35Joe Rogan?

  You just said it.

• 1:33:35Speaker 02

  If it's just a thing, if it's not real, why do we need...

• 1:33:39Joe Rogan?

  You keep saying that, and I'm not saying that. It's not, not that it's not real, it's a program. We're running a program. It's clearly real. What is real? What real is to experience it, has real consequences for your actions, you feel things, you touch things, you eat, you sleep, you need, you have resources, it's all real.

• 1:33:57Speaker 02

  You're asking a guy with fake legs what's real?

• 1:34:00Joe Rogan?

  You have a fake tattoo, too. Tool.

• 1:34:03Speaker 02

  Oh, Billy.

• 1:34:07Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it's like.

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  No, I like this. I like where you're going.

• 1:34:10Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if it's fake, but what I'm saying is it might be a program that runs, that makes people, and those people eventually make AI. And that might be the whole purpose of the program. We might be in the middle of it.

• 1:34:23Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:34:24Joe Rogan?

  We're in the middle of it. We were born at a time, you and I were both born at a time where none of this existed.

• 1:34:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:29Joe Rogan?

  We got to experience life without any of it. Remember when answering machines first came around?

• 1:34:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:34Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:34:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:35Joe Rogan?

  You seem like you'd leave a message for it. And then the crazy one was answering machines that you could call your answering machine and get a message.

• 1:34:43Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:34:43Joe Rogan?

  From another phone, you press in your code.

• 1:34:45Speaker 02

  Do, do, do, do. And it was like 12 numbers.

• 1:34:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:49Speaker 02

  And you memorize them because we got addicted to it.

• 1:34:52Joe Rogan?

  And then you could listen to your messages.

• 1:34:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:55Joe Rogan?

  And you could even press pound and star to skip over them.

• 1:34:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:59Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:03Speaker 02

  I remember I'd go do a gig and the second I'd get off a plane, and a lot of your viewers won't know what this is, I'd run directly to the payphone in the airport, and I'd boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, hear my messages instantly.

• 1:37:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was technology back then. We were living on the edge back then.

• 1:37:20Speaker 02

  And by the way, I'm not refuting or denying everything you're saying, but I'm pushing back a little because I can see it stimulating you to think deeper, and I like hearing your commentary on it. I like it that you're, you're, you're, if I push back a little, it makes you dig deeper to make your point, and I like it. I like, I'm like, I like what I'm hearing coming from you.

• 1:37:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, I like what you're saying too, is about simulation, like the idea that it's fake. I don't think it's fake.

• 1:37:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:47Joe Rogan?

  I think it's a real thing. It's obviously a real thing if we're experiencing, like, what is real? Are your dreams real? Yes. Is sleep real? Yes. These are real things. Whether or not you can put it on a scale, doesn't mean it's not real. So I don't think the simulation term is the best term. I think it's a program. I think we're running a biological program, and we think of biological as being separate from like math, and being separate from like subatomic particles and the fucking confusing quantum world. I don't think it's separate from it at all. I think it's all just one big, super-complex program that's running that if done properly, and we're experiencing it right now, it leads to the creation of artificial life.

• 1:38:29Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:38:30Joe Rogan?

  And even artificial life's a bad term. Cause it's not artificial, it's real.

• 1:38:33Speaker 02

  With all that being said, where do you visualize the data center being? If it's a program, is it off planet? Is it off galaxy? Is it invisible? Like, doesn't there have to be a data center if we're a program? Or how does it just whisk itself up out of air?

• 1:38:51Joe Rogan?

  It's the universe itself. I think the universe itself is a program. I think it runs from the beginning of the big bang to the, the formation of neutron stars. And I had this lady on, Michelle Fowler. How do you say her last name? Fowler? Fowler?

• 1:39:04Speaker 02

  Fowler, I barely know her.

• 1:39:07Joe Rogan?

  Amazing lady. Like, worked for NASA, cosmologist, where she's an astronomer.

• 1:39:13Joe Rogan?

  And we were talking about like neutron stars, like the insanity of neutron stars and how they bend space and time, they warp gravity around them. It's like, these things all exist out there in the universe. And they're all, I think it's all a part of this program. And I think this program is running on other planets. I think there's other life forms that are doing very similar things.

• 1:39:34Speaker 02

  Look, I, I like the debate. I like your take on it. I, I just still struggle with the, the, the technicality of it all.

• 1:39:44Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh. But the technicality of it all, if it's just biological life, let's say it's just random. All this stuff is random. Water rained down, bacteria turned into fucking.

• 1:39:56Speaker 02

  Amoebas.

• 1:39:57Joe Rogan?

  Platypuses, whatever. It all just happened, slowly but surely. That makes less sense. That makes less sense than a slow program that's running from literally the beginning of single-celled organisms, literally the beginning of the formation of planets. That this is like a natural cycle that happens everywhere in the universe. And there's a reason why these, these suns spin around and spit out plasma and that, that stuff collates in space.

• 1:40:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:27Joe Rogan?

  Coalesces in space.

• 1:40:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:28Joe Rogan?

  You know, um. Um, Terrence Howard, the, the actor.

• 1:40:33Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, he was here.

• 1:40:34Joe Rogan?

  Very eccentric guy.

• 1:40:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:35Joe Rogan?

  He had a, a theory that I can't stop thinking about.

• 1:40:37Speaker 02

  What is it?

• 1:40:38Joe Rogan?

  Thinks that planets are formed because the suns eject particles over time and that these stars eject. We see those, the big plasma ejections and the big.

• 1:40:48Speaker 02

  Sunspots and all that.

• 1:40:49Joe Rogan?

  Thinks that material eventually gets out into space, eventually forms planets. And then he says when the planets get further from the sun, further enough from the sun, they people. And he thinks that's what, what happens to earth. You get a certain distance and then life evolves, then intelligent life evolves, and then eventually these planets people. And then when they get too far from the sun, they can no longer support intelligent life. They can no longer support life. So then the people have to get intelligent enough by the time the planet's far enough away. Where they've figured out a way to bypass all the problems of living on a planet that doesn't have an environment and living on a planet that doesn't have water. They've bypassed all that.

• 1:41:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:30Joe Rogan?

  They've moved into the next realm of existence and now they can travel interstellar and do all that kind of crazy shit.

• 1:41:36Speaker 02

  I wouldn't refute that theory.

• 1:41:37Joe Rogan?

  It's a good theory.

• 1:41:38Speaker 02

  I think it's a good theory. I mean, it could explain how we're even here.

• 1:41:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it also could explain the weird shit on Mars.

• 1:41:46Speaker 02

  Wait a minute.

• 1:41:46Joe Rogan?

  That Mars at one point in time might have had life.

• 1:41:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, the dry lake beds and the.

• 1:41:51Joe Rogan?

  No, the structures. Have you ever seen the structures on Mars?

• 1:41:53Speaker 02

  Oh, that face?

• 1:41:54Joe Rogan?

  No, have you seen the big square?

• 1:41:56Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:41:57Joe Rogan?

  Okay, Jamie will show you. There's this weird, uh, thing on Mars that, by the way, it's in the same area of Sidonia where that face is. The face doesn't look like a face to me.

• 1:42:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's more shadowy. It's the shadows that make it look like a face, I think.

• 1:42:12Joe Rogan?

  It looked like a face in the early images, but this stuff is fucking weird. Like, that's weird.

• 1:42:18Speaker 02

  Is that the Glendale Galleria?

• 1:42:20Joe Rogan?

  It is, but it's.

• 1:42:21Speaker 02

  God.

• 1:42:21Joe Rogan?

  Five million years ago on Mars.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  So you're, you're saying because geometrically it's a perfect square, you think it's a...

• 1:42:30Joe Rogan?

  Look what that looks like, man. That's nuts. Like, when, when do right angles like that, that are in the same distance from each other? Ever exist in nature? That's crazy.

• 1:42:39Speaker 02

  And have they determined what those bumps are, or those rock structures, or...

• 1:42:43Joe Rogan?

  They don't know. They don't even know how big it is, because it's somewhere, it's between 300 meters is like the, the small estimate, but it might be as far as like a couple of miles. They don't know how big it is. Look at that thing. What the fuck is that?

• 1:42:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:57Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck is that? There's a bunch of these things on Mars that are just really weird. And if, at one point in time, I'm, I'm talking millions of years ago...

• 1:43:07Speaker 02

  Hundreds of millions.

• 1:43:08Joe Rogan?

  Who knows?

• 1:43:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:10Joe Rogan?

  How much would be left? You know? How many, um, let's put this into perplexity, Jamie. How many ancient civilizations have myths about, or instead of do any, how about this? Not, not how many. Do any ancient civilizations have myths about Mars?

• 1:43:33Joe Rogan?

  Have myths about Mars?

• 1:43:36Speaker 02

  It's perfectly feasible.

• 1:43:37Joe Rogan?

  Totally feasible.

• 1:43:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:39Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you think about it, several ancient civilizations have myths or religious associations tied to Mars, usually because they saw it as a bright reddish, and sometimes ominous planet. Hey, don't mansplain to me, bro. Ancient Romans identified Mars with their god of war. Okay, do any, um, ancient civilizations have a myth about people coming from Mars?

• 1:44:03Joe Rogan?

  How about that?

• 1:44:08Joe Rogan?

  See if that is, um, do any have myths about humans coming from Mars? You could just do a follow-up question at the bottom there.

• 1:44:22Joe Rogan?

  Here we go. Dun dun dun. What do you think? Yes?

• 1:44:25Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:44:26Joe Rogan?

  Here it goes. No. Ancient civilizations do not have myths about humans or people coming from Mars. While Mars has been central to mythology across many cultures, these myths focus on Mars as a deity or celestial object, not as humanity's origin point. What is that one, um, tribe? Is it the Dogon people? They have a, um, a weird origin story of from another planet.

• 1:44:51Speaker 02

  The Dogons?

• 1:44:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:53Speaker 02

  Where are they located?

• 1:44:54Joe Rogan?

  Origin story. I don't know. I don't know.

• 1:44:59Speaker 02

  The Dogons? Wow.

• 1:45:02Joe Rogan?

  Um, I think it's somewhere in Africa.

• 1:45:06Speaker 02

  Sounds like they're, sounds like they're broke, whoever they are.

• 1:45:09Joe Rogan?

  Eh, Mali. They have a complex creation myth centered around Amna, the supreme creator god who lived in the celestial regions as was the origin of all creation. In their cosmology, the stars resent Amma's bodily parts with the constellation Orion called the seat of heaven, or Amma's navel. And so I think they have this origin story from, whoa, what is this? Descended to earth in an ark suspended from heaven by a copper chain? Whoa.

• 1:45:39Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:45:39Joe Rogan?

  Look at this. According to Dogon mythology, Amma created the earth and then split himself in two, creating Ogo representing disorder and Nomo representing order. Ogo descended to earth along the Milky Way al- uh, with, which the Dogon believe connects heaven and earth, and created havoc. To restore balance, Amma created Nomo and gave him eight assistants consisting of four pairs of twins. These eight beings, also called the Nomo, became the ancestors of the Dogon people and descended to earth in an ark suspended from heaven by a copper chain. Okay, what was that story about?

• 1:46:18Speaker 02

  I think we're accidentally reading a children's book, Joe. The Ogo peo- what?

• 1:46:23Joe Rogan?

  The Dogon people. The Ogo and the Pogos.

• 1:46:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is...

• 1:46:27Joe Rogan?

  But what do you, I think there's a lot of people that have like weird origin stories that involve extraterrestrial life.

• 1:46:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean...

• 1:46:37Joe Rogan?

  There is.

• 1:46:39Speaker 02

  I mean, are you running that through human evolution?

• 1:46:44Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:46:45Speaker 02

  Because if you run it through human evolution, extraterrestrial life doesn't necessarily match up with like Homo erectus and, you know, Neanderthal man and things like that.

• 1:46:58Joe Rogan?

  In what way?

• 1:46:59Speaker 02

  Well, I get the sense that extraterrestrial life is far more advanced and technological going back to what you were talking about at the bottom of the ocean, whereas our ancestors were primal.

• 1:47:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:47:15Speaker 02

  So how do the two collide? I'm a bit confused.

• 1:47:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, what if they created us?

• 1:47:21Speaker 02

  They created us as primates and watched us evolve as an experiment?

• 1:47:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what if you, like, let's imagine this. We talked about, like, if we showed up and we found a planet and it was filled with like ancient primates? Like ancient hairy men that had just figured out to stone tools.

• 1:47:38Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm right there, guy.

• 1:47:42Joe Rogan?

  Do you think, let's not say American scientists, we would never do this, but do you think perhaps like Chinese or Russian scientists might do some things with them and try to make them more advanced?

• 1:47:55Speaker 02

  In terms of biological experimentation?

• 1:47:57Joe Rogan?

  Engineering, genetic engineering.

• 1:48:00Speaker 02

  I don't know. I mean-

• 1:48:02Joe Rogan?

  I will answer for you, yes.

• 1:48:04Speaker 02

  You think they would?

• 1:48:05Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent, for sure. They're just cave people. They don't even have any civilization. Let's just do whatever we want to them because we're far more advanced. Do you know that there was a point in time where the Russians were experimenting with people and trying to make a human chimpanzee hybrid for war?

• 1:48:20Speaker 02

  Is that right?

• 1:48:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. This is after World War II. They were trying to make hybrids. So, so many Russians died during World War II. I mean, Russia lost a lot of fucking people during World War II. And there was a program that, like, they do a lot of things where they, they just run it up the chain, like, what do you think? What if we do this? What if we do that? You know, what if we make a nuclear bomb? What if we make a plane that doesn't have any radar signal? What if we make, instead of our soldiers dying, what if we make a hybrid just for war? We know chimpanzees are incredibly strong and they're smart and they're very violent. So what if we made an incredibly strong, very violent species that's more

• 1:49:01Joe Rogan?

  intelligent than chimpanzees and we can control them and we'll use them as our soldiers?

• 1:49:07Speaker 02

  But that seems like a lot of work for something that's hiding behind a, a, a modern weapon. Because whether you have a, an insane chimpanzee behind a machine gun, or a guy that was an accountant and got drafted, it seems like the weapon's doing the work, not the biological entity.

• 1:49:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but if the chimp's stronger and faster, and they can get to places where the accountant can't, and they can charge into them in the middle of the night because they could see at nighttime, there's a lot of things that you could do with chimps that were hybrids.

• 1:49:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:41Joe Rogan?

  But what did they, what was the extent of that program? Let's find out.

• 1:49:44Speaker 03

  I'm looking it up right now, but he, the guy that did it was also then arrested. I'm trying to figure out, well, like.

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  Of course he was arrested. As a fucking psychopath.

• 1:49:53Speaker 02

  Well, he was, what's his name? Dr. Moreau ring a bell?

• 1:49:56Speaker 03

  It says he was funded by Soviet authorities to set up experiments. I'm like, well, were these private, you know? Or did they official?

• 1:50:04Joe Rogan?

  I, I would imagine if I was the leader of Russia at the time, and this guy said, "Mr. Prime Minister, I have a program I am currently considering in operation, where I will be able to make soldiers that are increasingly strong, much faster, that retain human characteristics, like the ability to communicate, and to engage in warfare with weaponry. But they would be much faster, much stronger, and more importantly, not people. We won't mourn for them like our brothers and sisters. We will breed them in laboratories. We will make millions of them,

• 1:50:46Joe Rogan?

  arm them, and send them out against our enemies."

• 1:50:51Speaker 02

  Are you coming on to me?

• 1:50:53Joe Rogan?

  A little bit. I got hard talking to that.

• 1:50:55Speaker 03

  So this, wow. He successfully did a bunch of stuff in the early 1900s.

• 1:50:59Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:51:00Joe Rogan?

  Successfully.

• 1:51:01Speaker 03

  Not, not any human hybrids, but other animals.

• 1:51:03Joe Rogan?

  So they say.

• 1:51:05Speaker 03

  He was a pioneer in artificial insemination as well.

• 1:51:09Joe Rogan?

  He conducted experiments that involved artificially inseminating horses to create superior offspring for Imperial Russia, and this work earned him recognition from the Bolsheviks. Ivanov was not satisfied with merely enhancing a species, though. Hybridization became his obsession, and he was soon crossing zebras with donkeys, cows with bison, and several different species of rodents with each other. In 1910, he brashly declared he could see a human-ape hybrid in the future.

• 1:51:38Speaker 02

  Isn't this gene splicing, though? Have you ever heard of a liger?

• 1:51:41Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, but ligers are just hybrids. It's just they breed with each other. A male tiger and a female lion, or the opposite, I forget which one it was. But the problem is, the reason why ligers are so big, it's, I think it's the, either the male tiger or the male lion, whichever one it is, the male, has the gene that regulates size, and when they have the hybrid, that gene doesn't, doesn't transfer. And so the ligers just keep growing.

• 1:52:06Speaker 02

  They're huge.

• 1:52:07Joe Rogan?

  They're fucking gigantic. I might have fucked that up, but I don't think I did. Ivanov imported chimps to Russia, inseminating unpaid Soviet women with their sperm.

• 1:52:15Speaker 02

  Unpaid.

• 1:52:16Joe Rogan?

  Though none conceived, because humans and chimp chromosomes are incompatible.

• 1:52:21Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:52:22Joe Rogan?

  Imagine you're a fucking Soviet lady, and you're like, "What is this job? You're like done with your legs open, and we stick something inside of you, and you get a loaf of bread." What the fuck, man?

• 1:52:35Speaker 02

  We give you the abominable snowman in your womb.

• 1:52:38Joe Rogan?

  How much did they know about genes back then? Genes and chromosomes? So what year was this?

• 1:52:45Speaker 03

  1920-ish.

• 1:52:47Joe Rogan?

  Did they, when did they discover chromosomes?

• 1:52:49Speaker 03

  As of yesterday, we just, they might not have even known helium was on Earth.

• 1:52:53Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's right, that's right. Yeah, they thought helium was only in the sun.

• 1:52:58Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:52:59Joe Rogan?

  When did they discover chromosomes? Let's find that out. Let's take a guess. Harlan?

• 1:53:06Speaker 02

  I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say in the

• 1:53:11Speaker 02

  Forty's.

• 1:53:14Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna go a little later. I'm gonna say fifty's.

• 1:53:17Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:53:18Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna say fifty-seven.

• 1:53:19Speaker 02

  I'm gonna say forty-two.

• 1:53:22Joe Rogan?

  I am purely guessing, though.

• 1:53:24Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 1:53:24Joe Rogan?

  No idea.

• 1:53:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, but the... What you mean by that is kinda... It's very vague, cause like, they could have known about them, but like, to what detail and how many there were and what they all did.

• 1:53:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, let's just, um, just put that in perspective.

• 1:53:38Speaker 03

  No, I did, but like, it's giving a vague answer, right? In the eighteen hundreds, they sort of knew about it, but to what detail isn't till the nineteen hundreds.

• 1:53:45Joe Rogan?

  Okay, chromosomes were first observed as distinct structures in the cell nuclei in the eighteen hundreds. Well, that's pretty distinct. They're talking about in the cell structure, so they must have been looking at them with microscopes. Um, once good light microscopes became available, so that's the eighteen hundreds. Their role as carriers of hereditary information was not clarified until the early nineteen hundreds, through work linking chromosomes to Mendel's Law of Inheritance.

• 1:54:10Speaker 03

  It's a hundred years of guessing, which, imagine what we're guessing about now that we don't know about.

• 1:54:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:54:15Speaker 03

  It could mean any... They could have been completely wrong for thirty-five years and then sort of closed for ten.

• 1:54:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:54:21Speaker 03

  Wrong again for twenty, and then it's like, oh, nope, that's what it is.

• 1:54:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Wild, right? It's wild how long it took.

• 1:54:28Speaker 02

  Well, see, this is...

• 1:54:29Joe Rogan?

  In comparison to today.

• 1:54:30Speaker 02

  This goes back to AI, Joe, giving access to the average person to be able to dig into this stuff. Because it might be the guy in aisle twelve at Home Depot who discovers some of these probing answers, you know?

• 1:54:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, definitely.

• 1:54:47Speaker 02

  And that's what I love about it.

• 1:54:48Joe Rogan?

  It might be like, you know, hitting a bong, sitting at home, talking to ChatGPT and go, "Bro."

• 1:54:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:54Joe Rogan?

  "Tell me how to make a human-monkey hybrid."

• 1:54:56Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:54:56Joe Rogan?

  So this guy, um, so it was... And I... Pull that back up again?

• 1:55:00Speaker 03

  I was reading about him, this started to say the American backers started sending him some money too, and I was trying to figure out.

• 1:55:04Joe Rogan?

  Of course. They wanna get those rote fucking crazy chimp people too.

• 1:55:08Speaker 02

  Call me crazy, but I get the feeling you would like to see one of those.

• 1:55:12Speaker 03

  One hundred percent.

• 1:55:12Speaker 02

  Cause physically, it would have to look incredible.

• 1:55:15Joe Rogan?

  It would be insane. Imagine if you get a like, a Viking, like a Brock Lesnar jean, and you splice it with a... The chimpanzee gene.

• 1:55:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:22Joe Rogan?

  You have a giant, like Thor from Game of Thrones, the mountain from Game of Thrones. Imagine that guy, splicing that guy's genes with the chimpanzee's genes.

• 1:55:30Speaker 02

  Well, you keep going to chimp, but what about a silverback gorilla, which is even.

• 1:55:34Joe Rogan?

  They're not as violent.

• 1:55:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're, they're very calm, actually.

• 1:55:37Joe Rogan?

  They eat vegetables. They're, they're vegans.

• 1:55:39Speaker 02

  Whereas chimps are pack hunters, they eat other monkeys.

• 1:55:43Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, they're way more violent. They're, they're way more like us. We're way closer to chimps than we are to gorillas.

• 1:55:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, we are.

• 1:55:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. We're, we're, we're closer in our behavior. Like, they, they engage in war.

• 1:55:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:55Joe Rogan?

  They have tribal war. They go after tribes, they break off and find, they're starting new civilizations.

• 1:56:00Speaker 02

  But if you're splicing two entities together, you've got the human brain that's, you know, we're sort of wired to be violent. But you just take the physicality of the silverback and marry them together.

• 1:56:13Joe Rogan?

  They're, they're just as wired to be violent as we are, buddy.

• 1:56:16Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:56:17Joe Rogan?

  Chimps?

• 1:56:17Speaker 02

  No, I'm saying the silverback. You, then you have a bigger physical body with our minds.

• 1:56:22Joe Rogan?

  But maybe they'll just chill like the gorillas do.

• 1:56:25Speaker 02

  They just go to Miami.

• 1:56:26Joe Rogan?

  New delivery of chimps to a nursery in 1930, but in the light of the questionable ethics and zero progress, Evenoff was arrested and exiled to Kazakhstan, where he died two years later. Some of the apes and monkeys that outlived him were launched into space. With just button ignition. You imagine, you imagine you're an ape. First they make you fuck some lady, and then they shoot you off into space. Well, you were just eating bananas, having a good time in the jungle, being a regular chimpanzee. And these motherfuckers make you fuck some janitor and then shoot you into space.

• 1:57:01Speaker 02

  A janitor?

• 1:57:02Speaker 03

  Successfully implanted an ovary in a few of them.

• 1:57:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 1:57:06Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:57:07Joe Rogan?

  Fucking psychos. Jesus Christ.

• 1:57:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, they've done, over the course of history, the Germans, the Japanese, the Chinese, in times of war, they did the most horrific experimentation. They, they did everything you could do. They, they'd see how long it would take for a human body to die if you boiled it and skinned people and the, the things that have been done, the aberrations that have happened are crazy. But this is, this is interesting. This is almost the basis for a movie, I think.

• 1:57:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, it could absolutely happen today. This is where it gets weird. Because now with CRISPR and with gene editing. How many years are we away from them being actually able to do that? Actually able to take whatever genes you have in a person, whatever genes you have in a chimpanzee, pick which ones, which things you want to do, and make a life form?

• 1:57:59Speaker 02

  I like it.

• 1:58:00Joe Rogan?

  You know, they have the dire wolves now, right?

• 1:58:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, the dire wolves.

• 1:58:03Joe Rogan?

  I saw them. I went to visit them.

• 1:58:05Speaker 02

  You did. Are they pure? Are they 100% pure? Are they, are they a version of a modern day wolf mixed with a dire wolf?

• 1:58:12Joe Rogan?

  It's a really good question. So, that is the question that people always use to dismiss, or that is the statement that people use to dismiss what they've done, as actually creating dire wolves. But when I talked to the woman who's the head geneticist, the way she said is, "These distinctions, like when we call something a dire wolf, or we call something a pug, or we call, whatever these distinctions are, these are our creations. And that the genetics are the same. Like, this animal looks like a dire wolf because it is a dire wolf. And some of those genes are in wolves. Some of those genes are in the biological tissue that they got from like thousand year old, like, how old was the tissue that they got from a dire wolf?

• 1:58:57Joe Rogan?

  That they used for colossal? I feel like some of it was like 10,000 years old, like something crazy.

• 1:59:03Speaker 02

  Where did they find that tissue? What country?

• 1:59:05Joe Rogan?

  They find it in America. You get it in, like, when they find fossil, they find like a dead animal, they find something that they can get out of it where they can get some DNA. And they've managed to get the actual DNA of a dire wolf. So 13,000 years old, a tooth from Sheridan Pitt, Ohio, and a 72,000 year old skull from American Falls, Idaho. So, so they get the genes, they make a map, I'm just, I'm butchering this, I'm sorry if you're a scientist. I'm sorry to all the people at Colossal. You make a map of what it means to be a dire wolf, based on this stuff, because you have these samples. And then you choose those genes, you add those genes to a gray wolf, and then you turn it into a fucking dire wolf. And they're all white, and they have a mane like a lion,

• 1:59:50Joe Rogan?

  which they didn't know they were gonna have. Like, not as big as a lion, but it's, it's a pronounced mane. And they look different, man. They're weird.

• 1:59:57Speaker 02

  Are they bigger in size? Cause they were semi prehistoric?

• 2:00:01Joe Rogan?

  They're bigger. They're just a bit, it's a bigger animal.

• 2:00:03Speaker 02

  Bigger than a timber wolf?

• 2:00:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:00:04Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:00:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're like a 200 pound wolf. And they're built different. They're built different. Like they're, they're more stocky and they look different.

• 2:00:12Speaker 02

  What's their jaw structure like? Is it different?

• 2:00:14Joe Rogan?

  Bigger, bigger, stronger. They're, they're, it's a bigger, more ferocious animal that lived at a time where it was.

• 2:00:20Speaker 02

  What does the term dire mean? Do we know? Dire wolf?

• 2:00:24Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question.

• 2:00:24Speaker 02

  What is dire?

• 2:00:25Joe Rogan?

  Let's find out why they call them dire wolves.

• 2:00:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:27Joe Rogan?

  I have no idea. It just sounds dope.

• 2:00:29Speaker 02

  I wonder if they ever get sick if they become diarrhea wolves?

• 2:00:33Joe Rogan?

  Is that where you go with that?

• 2:00:35Speaker 02

  No, I really do wanna know. That just came to me. That just came to me.

• 2:00:40Speaker 02

  But I do wanna know where dire comes from, what it means.

• 2:00:43Joe Rogan?

  Fearful or terrible. The Latin words diris, meaning feel fearful or terrible. Or awe-inspiringly dreadful. Bro, back then, when those things were around and people were around at the same time, you imagine how fucking rough it would be here in the woods? And you're camping out with your buddy and you see a pack of dire wolves that recognize you and you know it's over?

• 2:01:02Speaker 02

  Well, the thing with wolves though, Joe, and you probably know this, wolves traditionally don't hunt down humans.

• 2:01:07Joe Rogan?

  That's not true.

• 2:01:08Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 2:01:09Joe Rogan?

  That's not true at all.

• 2:01:10Speaker 02

  I don't know, is there any record of a human being killed by a wolf?

• 2:01:14Joe Rogan?

  100%. There's record in modern times. Oh, and that's not true. They, that's the reason why they eradicated him from the west coast.

• 2:01:20Speaker 02

  I thought that was because they were, they were nabbing the cattle.

• 2:01:24Joe Rogan?

  No, they were killing people too. That's what the big bad wolf and the little red body hood is all about. They would kill your kids. That's, those stories were about avoiding wolves because wolves were da- dangerous. They're deadly. Do you know that World War I, the Russians and the Germans had a ceasefire? Because so many of them were getting killed by wolves in Siberia?

• 2:01:41Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:01:42Joe Rogan?

  That they decided to have a ceasefire, kill the wolves and then go back to killing each other.

• 2:01:46Speaker 02

  Cause my experience is wolves are very trepidatious of humans. They fear them and avoid them.

• 2:01:52Joe Rogan?

  Cause we killed most of them.

• 2:01:53Speaker 02

  But that one changed their hunting instinct. Now if there were still packs roaming wild and free, you don't kill the instinct out of them. Cause then you'd kill their instinct to kill an elk or.

• 2:02:06Joe Rogan?

  If you've seen wolves, you've seen wolves in Canada.

• 2:02:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:09Joe Rogan?

  They hunt them in Canada.

• 2:02:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's why they're trepidatious. That's why they're nervous about people.

• 2:02:15Speaker 02

  Can we look up how many humans have been killed by wolves?

• 2:02:18Speaker 03

  Very rare, mostly happened in Europe and Asia.

• 2:02:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, see, it's not common.

• 2:02:23Joe Rogan?

  It's because we killed them all, Harland. They're not around anymore. That's the whole point. The reason why they got killed off was because they were a fucking problem. It's not because, you know, people are evil and it was a terrible idea. It's because they wanted to live. And they knew that the wolves were fucking killing everybody.

• 2:02:39Speaker 02

  I think the problem was they were killing their domestic cattle.

• 2:02:43Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 2:02:43Speaker 02

  But not the people so much.

• 2:02:45Joe Rogan?

  People too.

• 2:02:46Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:02:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they kill, they don't have rules, man. They're predators.

• 2:02:50Speaker 02

  They're also, think of it, every living species, why is it, I can go to a park? And a blue jay and a squirrel and a deer and a bunny can be just fine, completely different species. But then a little boy walks up, a human, and they all just go. There's this driven instinct in all animals to fear us, which breaks my heart, because most of us are loving and want to coddle and connect with animals, but even insects, dragonflies, hummingbirds, nothing wants to be near us. And so wolves also, all animals are trepidatious of humans. It's sad, but it's true. And if that's part of the bigger program we've been talking about, what does it say about us?

• 2:03:34Joe Rogan?

  First of all, animals are not trepidatious of humans.

• 2:03:37Speaker 02

  Have you ever walked up to a wild animal?

• 2:03:40Joe Rogan?

  I've walked up to a lot of wild animals. I know that you're being silly, but.

• 2:03:44Speaker 02

  I'm not being silly.

• 2:03:45Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so realistically, all those animals you said, blue jay, deer, those are all animals that eat plants, okay? If a dog showed up, they would run. Any animal that's a predator is gonna scare them. Whether it's a human, we have eyes in front of our face. The reason why you have eyes in front of your face like that is because you're looking to go after something. When you have eyes on the side of your face, you're looking for something to go after you. So all those animals, like deer and all these little cute little animals, they're all prey. And they're all like super sketchy with anything that has eyes in front of its face, it's looking at them. Because we are a fucking predator. But it would be the same if it was a coyote there, it'd be the same if a dog was there, if a cat or a big cat or a lion was there, if they saw it, they would all freak out. Because they're prey.

• 2:04:29Joe Rogan?

  Now wolves have killed people. Fact, 100% all throughout time.

• 2:04:36Speaker 02

  I'm just saying it's not-

• 2:04:37Joe Rogan?

  If they catch you alone, they catch you in the woods. And if it's you and five of them, they will kill you.

• 2:04:44Speaker 02

  Yeeet, it's, it's, it's, we're not on their dietary list though. Look at killer whales.

• 2:04:51Joe Rogan?

  Cause you're not in their area.

• 2:04:53Speaker 02

  Has there ever been a human killed by a killer whale?

• 2:04:54Joe Rogan?

  Only at SeaWorld.

• 2:04:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:04:56Joe Rogan?

  Because they, well, that's different.

• 2:04:57Speaker 02

  So, why? That's a living mammal.

• 2:04:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but we torture them-

• 2:05:01Speaker 02

  And there's millions of people in the ocean every day, but there's no record of an orc killing a human.

• 2:05:05Joe Rogan?

  No, or dolphins.

• 2:05:06Speaker 02

  Because they're trepidatious of us.

• 2:05:07Joe Rogan?

  No, they're super intelligent.

• 2:05:08Speaker 02

  And wolves and coyotes-

• 2:05:10Joe Rogan?

  They're not trepidatious of us, they help us. They communicate, they play with you.

• 2:05:13Speaker 02

  I know, but I'm just saying it's not common for wolves and apex predators to go after humans. It happens, but it's not common and wolves, they're very skittish animals.

• 2:05:28Joe Rogan?

  Okay, they're skittish if they're around people and they think the people might have a gun. If you're in the woods, wolves are not skittish of you. They're thinking about what they're gonna do to you and whether or not they're gonna eat you. If you have a rifle and you're in the woods and they hear the boom go off, they're gonna get the fuck away from you.

• 2:05:43Speaker 02

  They don't know what a rifle is. I'm just saying there's an instinct, an instinctual fear of humans for whatever reason.

• 2:05:51Joe Rogan?

  Dude, that's not true.

• 2:05:51Speaker 02

  Most critters avoid us, even fish if you walk up on them.

• 2:05:55Joe Rogan?

  Critters avoid all predators, all of them.

• 2:05:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, but look at the plains of Africa. You'll see a wildebeest and a zebra and a gazelle on a springbok.

• 2:06:05Joe Rogan?

  Do you know what the fuck would happen to you if you walked out in the wild of Africa?

• 2:06:08Speaker 02

  You're done.

• 2:06:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, because you have lions and leopards.

• 2:06:12Joe Rogan?

  Cause you're prey there, yeah. All those animals are freaking out too, until one gets taken out. This is the Joseph Campbell story of the hero. Like, one gets taken out and the other ones go, wow, he did it for us. Because the, when the, the lions are eating that one antelope, they're gonna leave you alone. You can relax for a little bit.

• 2:06:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:29Joe Rogan?

  That's what it is.

• 2:06:30Speaker 02

  I'm just saying.

• 2:06:31Joe Rogan?

  They're never calm around lions. They run. That's why they run.

• 2:06:35Speaker 02

  Right. But I'm just saying wolves are probably more inclined to step around us than attack us.

• 2:06:42Joe Rogan?

  They are more inclined to do whatever they need to do to survive.

• 2:06:46Speaker 02

  They will. They're opportunists.

• 2:06:48Joe Rogan?

  And if it's attacking your sheep, then they'll attack your sheep.

• 2:06:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:06:51Joe Rogan?

  If it's killing your dog, they'll kill your dog. If it's killing you, if you're 20 miles into the backcountry and you're camping alone and you don't have a weapon, and a pack of wolves shows up and they haven't had anything to eat for a few days.

• 2:07:03Speaker 02

  They'll take you down.

• 2:07:04Joe Rogan?

  They'll take you down.

• 2:07:05Speaker 02

  But I'm just saying, I'm, I'm, I'm just trying to instill into you with all this programming talk, there's something programmed into all the other species on this planet. They go, whoa, there's a fucking human.

• 2:07:19Joe Rogan?

  You're wrong.

• 2:07:20Speaker 02

  And they step around us a lot.

• 2:07:21Joe Rogan?

  No, you're wrong.

• 2:07:22Speaker 02

  Not that they won't do kill us, but.

• 2:07:24Joe Rogan?

  It's anything that's coming near them, they get away from.

• 2:07:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:07:28Joe Rogan?

  The reason why they're scared of people is because they have experience with people.

• 2:07:32Speaker 02

  Do they?

• 2:07:33Joe Rogan?

  Yes, wolves do. Wolves in Canada, they get shot at, are afraid of people. They know that people have the gun, the guns make the boom, they're smart. They, a bunch of them die, they see one of them die, they learn that, they see the gun, they see the stick, they run away from the guys. So they stay away from people because people might kill their family members, their pack members. It happens.

• 2:07:53Speaker 02

  I think we're splitting hairs on this one.

• 2:07:55Joe Rogan?

  No, listen, there's a difference between the way bears react in, say, Alaska than bears react in Montana. So in Montana, you can't hunt grizzly bears. So grizzly bears are not afraid of people because generation after generation after generation have not been hunted.

• 2:08:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:08:09Joe Rogan?

  When bears see you in Alaska, that's generation after generation that have been hunted and they react very differently. They're like, get the fuck away from the people.

• 2:08:18Speaker 02

  Right, but.

• 2:08:18Joe Rogan?

  Unless they don't know you have a gun and sometimes you have to scare them off. But if they're used to being around people with guns, they associate people with danger.

• 2:08:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's kind of Pavlovian though. That's like programming.

• 2:08:29Joe Rogan?

  When they're not, like in Montana.

• 2:08:30Speaker 02

  But in raw wild, bears are quite skittish.

• 2:08:35Speaker 02

  I've been around them.

• 2:08:37Joe Rogan?

  I have too, man. It depends on the bear. It depends on whether it's a mother with her cubs. They're not skittish at all.

• 2:08:41Speaker 02

  They're not skittish.

• 2:08:42Joe Rogan?

  They'll fuck you up.

• 2:08:43Speaker 02

  They're protective. They're no longer hunting, but I'm just saying that there's an element to sadly our human existence that scares a lot of critters. Most animals can exist together in the same area. And yeah, when an apex predator approaches, the zebras will run, but if you look at the hoofed animals and the hippos and the everything kind of coexists, but when a human walks in, you know, we can't walk up to critters and just pet them. You can in the Galapagos.

• 2:09:19Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:09:20Speaker 02

  Are we?

• 2:09:21Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:09:22Speaker 02

  Are we having a fight?

• 2:09:23Joe Rogan?

  No, but a lion can't walk up to a gazelle and pet him either.

• 2:09:26Speaker 02

  I'll wrap my legs around you so fast.

• 2:09:29Joe Rogan?

  It's not uniquely humans, man. It's all animals are worried about something that wants to eat them.

• 2:09:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:09:35Joe Rogan?

  Because that's a real part of their existence. It's all animals. If you let your dog loose and you let it around wild animals, they fucking run like crazy, man. They run way more than they do with a person.

• 2:09:46Speaker 02

  Let me rephrase it. If a wild animal comes up on a deer, a predator prey scenario.

• 2:09:53Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:09:53Speaker 02

  Instinctually, they know a predator goes into stalking mode, the deer's gone.

• 2:09:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:10:00Speaker 02

  But if a human, me or you go, oh, look at the deer, and we try to walk towards it with nothing but love and affection and we just want to pet it and it's gone. And that's what I'm saying.

• 2:10:14Joe Rogan?

  You're not saying shit because a dog, the same thing would happen. You're not making any sense.

• 2:10:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:10:19Joe Rogan?

  Of course, the deer doesn't want you to pet him. It doesn't fucking know you, man. What are you, nuts?

• 2:10:23Speaker 02

  Right, but it, they just, they just flee.

• 2:10:27Joe Rogan?

  They don't flee like they do with dogs.

• 2:10:28Speaker 02

  A squirrel.

• 2:10:29Joe Rogan?

  I have deer in my neighborhood and when they see me, they don't give a fuck. They don't care about your car. You're driving in a car, you could stop the car and roll the window down and go, hello, mister deer.

• 2:10:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:38Joe Rogan?

  And they just fucking stare at you.

• 2:10:39Speaker 02

  All animals are like that.

• 2:10:41Joe Rogan?

  They saw a dog, they would fucking run.

• 2:10:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:44Joe Rogan?

  They run like crazy. Even my golden retriever, my sweet golden retriever marshal.

• 2:10:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:49Joe Rogan?

  They run like crazy from him. They blow, they make those crazy noises.

• 2:10:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:53Joe Rogan?

  They fucking take off.

• 2:10:54Speaker 02

  They stamp their feet?

• 2:10:55Joe Rogan?

  They're scared of predators, dude. They're not scared of people in my neighborhood, because no one's eating them in my neighborhood. It's their conditioning.

• 2:11:02Speaker 02

  I don't know, I'm just talking.

• 2:11:03Joe Rogan?

  You're just stick, you're stuck on an idea.

• 2:11:05Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 2:11:06Joe Rogan?

  The people are bad. The people are uniquely bad. I wish we could just go hug the porcupine.

• 2:11:11Speaker 02

  No, I'm not saying people are bad. I'm saying that animals have something in their brain that they don't trust us.

• 2:11:16Joe Rogan?

  Because we're the apex.

• 2:11:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:18Joe Rogan?

  We're the top of the food chain.

• 2:11:19Speaker 02

  But it's, it's just sad that-

• 2:11:21Joe Rogan?

  It's not. It's way better than being at the bottom of the food chain. Way better than us, like, fucking wandering through the woods if your kids are gonna get eaten by a fucking wolf. Because some grainy dipshit decided to import them back into the wild. We need to rewild all the wolves.

• 2:11:35Speaker 02

  Wait, you don't like that wolves are back in the wild?

• 2:11:37Joe Rogan?

  You know they just dropped them off in Aspen? These dumb motherfuckers?

• 2:11:40Speaker 02

  You don't like it?

• 2:11:41Joe Rogan?

  They dropped them off on a cattle ranch, and all they're doing is eating cows. So now they have to have cowboys 24/7 riding horses. Because the governor's husband thought it would be a cute idea to drop off wolves in Colorado. And they reintroduced them to an area that has agriculture. They reintroduced them to ranching areas.

• 2:11:57Speaker 02

  Wow. You don't like-

• 2:11:59Joe Rogan?

  Five fucking wolves. They've killed who knows how many cows.

• 2:12:02Speaker 02

  You don't like-

• 2:12:02Joe Rogan?

  The government has to reimburse them every time a cow dies. They keep killing cows. They're not allowed to kill the wolves. The wolves are around them 24 hours a day, just circling.

• 2:12:11Speaker 02

  Well, that backfired.

• 2:12:13Joe Rogan?

  Cowboys on horses.

• 2:12:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:14Joe Rogan?

  All throughout the night. They've got fires. They have to keep people employed.

• 2:12:18Speaker 02

  But outside of the cattle poaching critters? Are you for reintroducing and repopulating areas of-

• 2:12:26Joe Rogan?

  First of all, wolves were making their way into Colorado naturally.

• 2:12:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:30Joe Rogan?

  They're already in the San Juan Mountains. They're, they're moving in from Wyoming, where they live naturally. And when they reintroduced them into Montana, those have spread out all over the place.

• 2:12:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:39Joe Rogan?

  There's plenty of fucking wolves, man.

• 2:12:41Speaker 02

  But aren't there plenty of fucking cows too? You don't like wolves.

• 2:12:46Joe Rogan?

  I don't think you want wolves. I don't think you understand what you're saying. You, you, you're talking about a pack predator. It's very different than any other predator. They work together in coordination and they're smart. And if once they, it's not like a mountain lion. It's not like a thing that acts alone. Once they figure out that the cows are in these wooden pens.

• 2:13:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:13:06Joe Rogan?

  And they could just hop the pen, kill a cow, and that's it. They're gonna do it forever.

• 2:13:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:13:10Joe Rogan?

  Forever.

• 2:13:11Speaker 02

  But take out the poaching wolves, but the ones that are reintroduced and assimilate in raw nature. I think those are crucial and important to that ecosystem.

• 2:13:21Joe Rogan?

  It is crucial to have balance. And there's, there's some aspects of having the wolves back in Montana that's actually better for the elk population.

• 2:13:29Speaker 02

  It is.

• 2:13:29Joe Rogan?

  The elk population was very overpopulated at one point in time. They had, um, seasons where they were allowing people to shoot them in the snow, um, in the winter. So like, there were so many of them. When they're in the snow, like deep snow, they can't run. So you basically.

• 2:13:43Speaker 02

  The wolves.

• 2:13:45Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:13:46Speaker 02

  The elk.

• 2:13:46Joe Rogan?

  Elk. Because before they reintroduced the wolves, they had so many elk.

• 2:13:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:50Joe Rogan?

  These elves were running out of resources.

• 2:13:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:53Joe Rogan?

  And they, they realized like, they're so overpopulated, we're gonna allow you to shoot them in ways that's not even remotely sporting. They're stuck in snow.

• 2:14:01Speaker 02

  Called culling.

• 2:14:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You're just taking as many out of the population as you can.

• 2:14:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:05Joe Rogan?

  And, look, for the people that live there, it's amazing. You're eating elk 12 months out of the year. You got a freezer. It's fucking delicious. How dare you?

• 2:14:14Speaker 02

  No, I mean, if you eat it all the time.

• 2:14:17Speaker 02

  But don't forget, the wolves also preserve the whole ecosystem. Because the overpopulation of elks were eating so much of the flora that the sides of riverbanks were eroding.

• 2:14:30Joe Rogan?

  You're, you're quoting of a documentary called, uh, How, uh, Wolves Changed Rivers.

• 2:14:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:14:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, widely disputed. So a lot of the stuff they're saying is not accurate in that documentary. That, what is accurate is that balance is important.

• 2:14:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:44Joe Rogan?

  But a lot of things are very overstated in that, and it turned out to.

• 2:14:47Speaker 02

  Not be true?

• 2:14:48Joe Rogan?

  Not, no, a lot of the claims are not true.

• 2:14:50Speaker 02

  Huh.

• 2:14:50Joe Rogan?

  Because.

• 2:14:51Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 2:14:53Joe Rogan?

  There, you can have a pro, and the pro is it keeps the population in check and it puts a natural balance to, to the area. That's the pro.

• 2:15:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:02Joe Rogan?

  This whole changing rivers thing, like, eh. Some of it's accurate, some of it's not. Yeah, but there's, it's, apparently that documentary was made by a guy who's into rewilding. And he also wants to rewild Europe. So like, it's very romantic, this idea.

• 2:15:18Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:15:19Joe Rogan?

  But there is positive to having a balanced ecosystem. There is not positive when wolves get overpopulated. When wolves get overpopulated, that's what you get when you had Russia and Germany having a fucking ceasefire in World War I. Because they were losing so many soldiers to wolves, they all united together to kill the wolves. That's a true story.

• 2:15:41Speaker 02

  But do you ever live in a world where you go, the wolves are part of the natural world, the same way the bison were on the Great Plains?

• 2:15:50Joe Rogan?

  You don't have kids, right?

• 2:15:50Speaker 02

  Before they eradicated them.

• 2:15:51Joe Rogan?

  You don't have kids?

• 2:15:52Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:15:52Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:15:52Speaker 02

  Well, I had Billy.

• 2:15:54Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if you had kids and you were walking with your kids and you saw three wolves following you.

• 2:15:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:00Joe Rogan?

  And you didn't have a gun. How would you feel about those wolves? When you thought, oh my god, we might get taken out by wolves. And I just thought they were these cute fuzzy things that were a part of nature.

• 2:16:09Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't think of them as that.

• 2:16:10Joe Rogan?

  They're in the wilderness.

• 2:16:11Speaker 02

  I don't think of them as that.

• 2:16:12Joe Rogan?

  They're amazing. We need them.

• 2:16:13Speaker 02

  I worked in nature. I've been around wolves. I know them.

• 2:16:16Joe Rogan?

  I am on team people.

• 2:16:19Speaker 02

  You are?

• 2:16:20Joe Rogan?

  100%. 100% team people. I love all animals. I love them all.

• 2:16:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:26Joe Rogan?

  But I love people way more. If it was between a person that I fucking hate, that it feels a real piece of shit, and I knew that they're gonna get taken out by a wolf, but I had a rifle, I'd kill the fucking wolf. 100% of the time. Cause I'm on team people. This whole idea like, the animals are scared of us. Good. Be scared, bitch. It doesn't mean you should do anything bad to those animals, but good. Good. Be scared.

• 2:16:50Speaker 02

  But Joe, isn't it-

• 2:16:51Joe Rogan?

  Don't try to eat my kids.

• 2:16:52Speaker 02

  Isn't it team people that's eradicating all the animals as we encroach deeper and deeper into the Amazon jungle, the African plains? We're losing, look at the American bison. There used to be millions of them herding across the prairies. And now, there's isolated pockets.

• 2:17:10Joe Rogan?

  Right, but do you know how that happened?

• 2:17:12Speaker 02

  Look at the elephant herds. Look at, there's, look at the silverback gorillas. Look at, there's so many things that are losing to team people that we might not have Siberian taggers in 30 years.

• 2:17:23Joe Rogan?

  I'm not saying you should go and kill these endangered animals.

• 2:17:28Speaker 02

  I don't say they do.

• 2:17:29Joe Rogan?

  I told you that I... We're not always, that's not true. First of all, the bison thing was not because of encroaching. The bison thing was because of sport hunting, where these people were like...

• 2:17:38Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:17:38Joe Rogan?

  They were doing it, not even sport hunting, market hunting. They were doing it for tongues. Do you know that's what they were getting? They were chopping out their tongues. All that delicious bison meat, they let it rot.

• 2:17:48Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:17:48Joe Rogan?

  And then they were doing it for furs, and then they were doing it for bones. Like, what this is, is like, people were fucking insane, and rifles were fairly new, and long-range rifles were fairly new in human history.

• 2:18:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:18:01Joe Rogan?

  And then all of a sudden, you got people on trains, and you've got these insane... Now, here's where it gets really weird. Um, what's Dan's, Dan Flores? There's a guy named Dan Flores who wrote a book on bison, and he has a theory, it's a really good one.

• 2:18:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:17Joe Rogan?

  Is that the reason why there were so many bison on the plains was because of all the Native Americans that got wiped out by disease. And it totally coincides with it, because the original explorers that came to America in like, the 1400s, they did not describe these enormous population of bison.

• 2:18:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:18:37Joe Rogan?

  Where you would see millions of them on a prairie. He thinks that that came about because, literally, when the Europeans visited Native America, the Native Americans, 90% of the Native Americans died because of disease.

• 2:18:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:18:51Joe Rogan?

  90%.

• 2:18:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:53Joe Rogan?

  I mean, a true apocalypse.

• 2:18:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:55Joe Rogan?

  Imagine, nine out of 10 Native Americans dead.

• 2:18:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:58Joe Rogan?

  Because of disease. Well, that means no one's hunting the bison.

• 2:19:02Speaker 02

  Right, but they...

• 2:19:04Joe Rogan?

  So that was their, that was a primary food source for a lot of the Native Americans, and it wouldn't take many generations for them, if that was the thing that was keeping them in population, if they have a balanced ecosystem, and the population was literally being controlled by these effective North American hunters.

• 2:19:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:20Joe Rogan?

  And all of a sudden, they're gone. The population just booms, and that's what he was saying. And then, along comes the people with the rifles. And then the rebuild the rifles, they're finding these sitting ducks just sitting out there. And they say, "There's so many of them, we could just shoot as many as we want. We never have to worry about it." And they're shooting them for tongues.

• 2:19:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:39Joe Rogan?

  Tongues!

• 2:19:40Speaker 02

  Have you ever heard of Buffalo Head Smashed In?

• 2:19:44Joe Rogan?

  Buffalo Head Smashed In?

• 2:19:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:46Joe Rogan?

  What's that?

• 2:19:46Speaker 02

  It's a town in Alberta.

• 2:19:50Joe Rogan?

  That's the real name of the town?

• 2:19:51Speaker 02

  The real name of the town, where on the plains there, there was an optical illusion, where it looked like the hills just kept going. But there was a cliff, and the Indians would chase the bison along the plains, and they didn't know it, and at the end, they'd all run over the thing, and the Indians would be waiting at the bottom and kill the bison. But they named the place Buffalo Head Smashed In.

• 2:20:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow!

• 2:20:20Speaker 02

  Look at this. Isn't that wild?

• 2:20:22Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:20:23Speaker 02

  So the bison thought they're running on a flat plain, and they couldn't see the change in the perspective, so they'd run right over the edge.

• 2:20:32Joe Rogan?

  They did that a bunch of places in North America. In North America. They did, um, there's one of them, where they killed so many bison, that the rotting of them caused them to burst into flames.

• 2:20:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:20:44Joe Rogan?

  And so, you know about that one?

• 2:20:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's like with whales when they blow up, yeah. They explode.

• 2:20:49Joe Rogan?

  So the whole side of the hill is like black with coal.

• 2:20:53Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:20:54Joe Rogan?

  Because they, they...

• 2:20:54Speaker 02

  They've popped.

• 2:20:55Joe Rogan?

  Imagine that? Imagine the fucking smell of something where it gets so bad they burst into flames?

• 2:21:02Joe Rogan?

  Bro, what the fuck?

• 2:21:03Speaker 02

  Instant barb- Texas barbecue.

• 2:21:06Joe Rogan?

  So, they, the Native Americans, when they were really good at hunting, doing stuff like that, I mean, they're feasting, they're eating the best meat, and they're keeping the population in check. Now, when they all died of disease, that population stopped being in check. And this is Dan Flores. I think it's called, see if you can find the name of it, Jamie. I think it's called Bison Diplomacy, Bison Ecology. I think that's what it's called.

• 2:21:28Speaker 02

  Nature also provides disease when there is no humans around, okay? Like, long before the Indians started hunting buffalo, there were buffalo.

• 2:21:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Bison Ecology and Bison Diplomacy. It's a very interesting paper. He was a professor of history at Texas Tech. Very, very good book and he's got another great book on coyotes. Coyote America. Oh, coyotes.

• 2:21:53Speaker 02

  Are you a fan of Team Human?

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• 2:22:56Speaker 02

  If Team Human keeps pushing animals out of business, like at what point do we tip the scales? We're at what, 7 billion now, humans?

• 2:23:06Joe Rogan?

  I think it's more.

• 2:23:08Speaker 02

  So at what point are you still a fan of Team Human? When more and more of Team Animal is being eradicated? And I'm not trying to say we should hate humans.

• 2:23:20Joe Rogan?

  What animals are being eradicated right now?

• 2:23:21Speaker 02

  Well, I just explained how the herds of elephants have shrunk down to this. Tigers are down to a few thousand.

• 2:23:28Joe Rogan?

  And a lot of that is-

• 2:23:29Speaker 02

  Silverback gorillas are down to like a few hundred.

• 2:23:32Joe Rogan?

  A lot, okay, a lot of that is not encroaching, it's illegal poaching.

• 2:23:37Speaker 02

  It's that, but it's also encroaching. We're using up their land.

• 2:23:40Joe Rogan?

  Some of it, but also it's like, what do you want those people to do? Like people in India, like where they have elephants just invade their farms and eat all their food?

• 2:23:49Speaker 02

  But that's what I'm saying. How long are you a proponent of Team Human?

• 2:23:53Joe Rogan?

  People have been in those villages for hundreds and hundreds of years.

• 2:23:56Speaker 02

  But animals have been for millions.

• 2:23:58Joe Rogan?

  I'm on team people.

• 2:24:00Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:24:00Joe Rogan?

  If it's your family that needs that farm to stay alive and all of a sudden a fucking pack of elephants comes in and eats all the food that you've been working for a year to plant and grow. What do you think? We should just feed the elephants?

• 2:24:10Speaker 02

  I just wanna know where you stand. I'd rather see the animals succeed than us, if I'm being honest. I love people, but we're the ones.

• 2:24:20Joe Rogan?

  That's a ridiculous thing to say.

• 2:24:21Speaker 02

  I like it, your eyes just.

• 2:24:23Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't mean the animals are gonna go extinct.

• 2:24:25Speaker 02

  Don't you think we're a parasite on the back of Eden? Don't you think humans are a parasite on the back of this beautiful paradise?

• 2:24:34Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:24:35Speaker 02

  No animal dumps nuclear waste or chemicals into rivers. No animal tears down forests except for beavers. So what makes team humans so great?

• 2:24:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, we definitely shouldn't do.

• 2:24:47Speaker 02

  I think you need to change your attitude, Joe Rogan.

• 2:24:49Joe Rogan?

  Do those things, but I am, but I am a human and I like humans. I like them a lot.

• 2:24:54Speaker 02

  I love you.

• 2:24:55Joe Rogan?

  And the only way that you're gonna have humans is if you stay on team human and not say, I'd rather have the animals here. They're just gonna eat you. They're gonna eat you and there'll be no more houses.

• 2:25:04Speaker 02

  But if you could press a button and get rid of humans with a press of a button and that everything else could just live here harmoniously, would you do it?

• 2:25:13Joe Rogan?

  What, do you live in a fucking Disney movie?

• 2:25:15Speaker 02

  I'm just asking.

• 2:25:15Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no chance.

• 2:25:18Speaker 02

  I live in a simulation of a Disney movie.

• 2:25:20Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you live in some bullshit Canadian reality show.

• 2:25:23Speaker 02

  He's taking another drink of coffee.

• 2:25:25Joe Rogan?

  Son of a bitch.

• 2:25:26Speaker 02

  You south fly over this table with my rotten legs and.

• 2:25:29Joe Rogan?

  You're fucking team Canada. I know what you're doing.

• 2:25:31Speaker 02

  I'm just asking you.

• 2:25:32Joe Rogan?

  You're trying to ruin America by bringing in wolves. That's what you're doing.

• 2:25:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:25:35Joe Rogan?

  He's like a plant. He's a plant.

• 2:25:37Speaker 02

  I'm asking you.

• 2:25:38Joe Rogan?

  You're trying to ruin America by bringing in lions and wolves.

• 2:25:41Speaker 02

  Do you think humans are a parasite on the planet?

• 2:25:43Joe Rogan?

  I think we are a very complicated, intelligent life force that values itself above all else to the detriment of the ecology of the earth itself.

• 2:25:52Speaker 02

  So therefore.

• 2:25:54Joe Rogan?

  We could do better. We don't all do that, alright? We're not, every company is not dumping things into rivers.

• 2:25:59Speaker 02

  If you had a cancer on your body, would you get rid of the cancer?

• 2:26:03Joe Rogan?

  We're not a cancer, dude. We're a part of the earth. We are the predominant intelligent life force on this earth.

• 2:26:09Speaker 02

  Who predominantly destroys the earth?

• 2:26:11Joe Rogan?

  Us.

• 2:26:12Speaker 02

  Cancer.

• 2:26:14Joe Rogan?

  We're not destroying it, though. We just do a bad job of keeping it clean.

• 2:26:18Speaker 02

  That's a fancy way of saying destroying.

• 2:26:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, most animals shit all over the ground. They just don't.

• 2:26:24Speaker 02

  Hit the button.

• 2:26:25Joe Rogan?

  You're funny.

• 2:26:26Speaker 02

  Come on, you wanna do it together?

• 2:26:28Joe Rogan?

  You should have kids.

• 2:26:29Speaker 02

  I love kids. I love humans. I just wish we could do better.

• 2:26:33Joe Rogan?

  How old are you now?

• 2:26:36Speaker 02

  Take a guess. Take a guess. You saw my legs. Take a guess. I'll tell ya. No, I'll tell ya.

• 2:26:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, I've known you for thirty years.

• 2:26:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:45Joe Rogan?

  So you're at least that.

• 2:26:47Speaker 02

  How old?

• 2:26:48Joe Rogan?

  You gotta be fifty something.

• 2:26:50Speaker 02

  Sixty. I'll be sixty-four this year.

• 2:26:53Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:26:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:53Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:26:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. But I love humans, but I also.

• 2:26:58Joe Rogan?

  If you had a kid now, it might be a problem. You might have bad jizz.

• 2:27:01Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:27:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You might have old jizz.

• 2:27:04Speaker 02

  Have you seen my legs?

• 2:27:05Joe Rogan?

  I've seen. The legs look good.

• 2:27:06Speaker 02

  What do you mean, bad jizz? You don't. Al Pacino just had a kid and he's four hundred.

• 2:27:11Joe Rogan?

  Give that kid an IQ test.

• 2:27:13Speaker 02

  Really? Is he a dementoid?

• 2:27:15Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. He's a baby. Maybe her strong genes, cuz she's only twelve. The girl he had, no.

• 2:27:24Joe Rogan?

  No, she's thirty. Whatever she is, thirty years old.

• 2:27:28Speaker 02

  How old are you now?

• 2:27:29Joe Rogan?

  Had a kid with him, fifty-eight.

• 2:27:30Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 2:27:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:32Speaker 02

  We look pretty good with your chest and my legs. We're doing all right. Right?

• 2:27:37Joe Rogan?

  Do you, did you ever wanna have kids at one point, John?

• 2:27:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know, I, I thought that, uh, at one point I would. I thought that at one point I might, but it just didn't work out. That I was, I was married at one point and.

• 2:27:50Joe Rogan?

  Is it, it's like, it's hard when you're doing the road a lot. It's hard.

• 2:27:54Speaker 02

  It is if you make it hard, but I never did the road a lot. I always mixed it so that I, that I enjoyed my life and traveled and did stuff, so.

• 2:28:03Joe Rogan?

  That's smart.

• 2:28:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:04Joe Rogan?

  That's smart.

• 2:28:05Speaker 02

  But it, it just, it, it didn't work out. And who knows? The, the road ain't closed yet, so who knows?

• 2:28:10Joe Rogan?

  Get it just checked. Make sure it's good.

• 2:28:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, it's fine.

• 2:28:13Joe Rogan?

  Throw it into a spectrometer.

• 2:28:15Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. I just told you I was on OnlyFans for two hours.

• 2:28:18Joe Rogan?

  Analyze the jizz. Make sure it's good stuff.

• 2:28:20Speaker 02

  Wait, can sperm actually go bad?

• 2:28:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, um, when it comes to autism, there's, uh, and, and maybe even Down Syndrome, there's some.

• 2:28:30Joe Rogan?

  There's some people that believe that the older the parents are, and they used to think that was just the older the woman was.

• 2:28:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:38Joe Rogan?

  Might contribute to those things. Another thing, it is also likely the father. They're also realizing like a lot of, um, there were, there was this thing that I was reading about miscarriages from parents where the father drinks. I was like, wow, that's interesting. Cause I never really thought that the father being a drunk would affect the sperm, but of course it would.

• 2:28:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:58Joe Rogan?

  Of course it would. Yeah.

• 2:29:00Speaker 02

  And weed too, they used to say weed affected the sperm, but I don't know if that's.

• 2:29:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, they used to say it slows it down or something like that.

• 2:29:07Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 2:29:08Joe Rogan?

  Uh, what does Adderall do? Does it speed it up?

• 2:29:11Speaker 02

  I don't know. Ozempic, you give birth to a zombie?

• 2:29:14Joe Rogan?

  You give birth to a fucking jazzed up Adderall kid.

• 2:29:17Speaker 02

  Ah, dad, I wanna fucking clean this house. Wait, do you have any boys or is it all girls?

• 2:29:22Joe Rogan?

  No, it's all girls.

• 2:29:22Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. Do you wish you had a boy?

• 2:29:24Joe Rogan?

  I just want them to be healthy.

• 2:29:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:26Joe Rogan?

  I think wishing that you had a boy or a girl, it's like the universe will give you what it gives you.

• 2:29:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's good.

• 2:29:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You don't wanna like, you don't wanna wish you had a boy when you had a girl. Just appreciate the fact that you have a daughter.

• 2:29:37Speaker 02

  No, I don't, I don't mean eliminate the girls. God bless the three girls, but if, if you had one more, would it be cool to have a boy?

• 2:29:44Joe Rogan?

  I'm very happy.

• 2:29:44Speaker 02

  Oh, good. Okay.

• 2:29:46Joe Rogan?

  I don't think about it that way.

• 2:29:47Speaker 02

  You're a good dad.

• 2:29:48Joe Rogan?

  Thank you.

• 2:29:49Speaker 02

  That's something I picked up on you today.

• 2:29:51Joe Rogan?

  I think, uh, everybody should try.

• 2:29:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:54Joe Rogan?

  If you're a dad, you got one shot at this. One of the things that's really nice for me is that I don't have to travel as much because I have a club here.

• 2:30:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:01Joe Rogan?

  You know, when they were young, I had to travel a lot when they were really young. Cause it's like, I wasn't making as much money.

• 2:30:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:08Joe Rogan?

  It was like a little bit more difficult. And having, uh, the club where I don't have to do stand up somewhere else. I don't have to go on the road all the time. So I'm only going on the road occasionally for like the UFC and.

• 2:30:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you don't need to either.

• 2:30:19Joe Rogan?

  No, just having fun.

• 2:30:20Speaker 02

  You're, you're done good, guy.

• 2:30:23Joe Rogan?

  You too, buddy. It's nice to see Kill Turney like. Make a completely different career arc for all these people.

• 2:30:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:30Joe Rogan?

  And you're one of them.

• 2:30:32Speaker 02

  It's, it's, it's.

• 2:30:33Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking taking you to the stratosphere. It's wild to watch.

• 2:30:36Speaker 02

  It's, it's, it's shone a new light on my career. Yeah, it's sort of revitalized it a bit. Yeah.

• 2:30:42Joe Rogan?

  You, Rob Schneider.

• 2:30:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:44Joe Rogan?

  Caratop. I mean, there's, the list goes on and on. There's Kyle Donegan. There's so many people that.

• 2:30:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:51Joe Rogan?

  It just fucking launched them.

• 2:30:53Speaker 02

  It's so cool. When Tony asked me to do it, uh, two years ago, I'll be honest, I didn't even know what it was.

• 2:31:00Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 2:31:01Speaker 02

  I didn't know who Tony was. I'd never met him. I knew nothing about it. I was doing your club and they said, hey, we're shooting tomorrow. Would you want to stay an extra day? And I said, for what? They go to Kill Tony. I said, what is it? And I went on.

• 2:31:15Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:31:15Speaker 02

  I had no clue. I had no idea what it was.

• 2:31:18Joe Rogan?

  Are you not online at all?

• 2:31:19Speaker 02

  No, I didn't. I didn't know anything about that stuff.

• 2:31:22Joe Rogan?

  How do you stay offline?

• 2:31:24Speaker 02

  Well, I go online now because I started a podcast. I'm trying to emulate you, but you've been an inspiration. Thank you, by the way. But I didn't know about all that stuff. And so they asked me to go on and I did my first set with Tony and I think you watched it. It was the one where I had the checkbook. And then, and then Tony, when we, when they finished the show, he goes, oh, you're going to be guest of the year. I go, what are you talking about? And then I was guest of the year and then it just sort of, all this stuff. And now I'm about to shoot a movie with Tony as my star. I'm going to direct a movie with the minute.

• 2:31:57Joe Rogan?

  Madison Square Garden where you were pulling the things out of your pants?

• 2:32:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, the limes. I said I had Lyme disease and I pulled the limes out. Yeah.

• 2:32:06Joe Rogan?

  What if you pull a trophy out of your pants?

• 2:32:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, an Oscar. That's when I won guest of the year. I love to pull stuff out of my pants, apparently.

• 2:32:13Joe Rogan?

  What is the movie you and Tony are doing?

• 2:32:15Speaker 02

  So, uh, my next movie that I'm writing and directing is called Rednecks. And we're going to, uh, shoot in September, October with Tony as the star. And I don't know if you'd do any acting anymore, but I want to offer you a part. I don't know if you're interested. Yeah, you don't like it, huh?

• 2:32:33Joe Rogan?

  I don't really act anymore, no.

• 2:32:34Speaker 02

  You got no interest anymore?

• 2:32:35Joe Rogan?

  Maybe if I could kill it for a day, just run in and do it in a day.

• 2:32:38Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:32:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, something easy.

• 2:32:41Speaker 02

  Be fun to have you.

• 2:32:43Joe Rogan?

  Where are you gonna film it?

• 2:32:44Speaker 02

  We're gonna shoot in Florida and Kentucky.

• 2:32:47Joe Rogan?

  Jesus.

• 2:32:48Speaker 02

  What if I got you for three days, would you do it?

• 2:32:50Joe Rogan?

  What do I have to do? We'll talk, we'll talk afterwards.

• 2:32:53Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:32:53Joe Rogan?

  I really don't like acting.

• 2:32:55Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:32:55Joe Rogan?

  I don't have any time either, that's also part of the problem. Like, time is, uh, my time is rationed.

• 2:33:01Speaker 02

  I get it, yeah, yeah. Do you still have the passion to act at all, or no, is it, yeah?

• 2:33:06Joe Rogan?

  I never really had it in the beginning.

• 2:33:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:08Joe Rogan?

  I only did it for money.

• 2:33:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:10Joe Rogan?

  Like, I loved stand-up, and I loved, you know, going to clubs and doing, and then I got a development deal. It was that simple.

• 2:33:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:17Joe Rogan?

  And then all of a sudden I'm on TV, I'm like, alright.

• 2:33:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:19Joe Rogan?

  But it was good that I never had a dream for it, because then it, I didn't have a lot of anxiety about it.

• 2:33:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:25Joe Rogan?

  You know, it was more like, it was fun to do.

• 2:33:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, me too.

• 2:33:28Joe Rogan?

  Because I was always like, I'm just gonna go do stand-up, like this is-

• 2:33:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was the same way.

• 2:33:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's better that way, because the people that, like, where it's their, "Oh my god, it's happening." It's like so overwhelming for them. Like, I see people have anxiety when they're about to do their scenes, and I was like, Jesus, man.

• 2:33:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, chill out.

• 2:33:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, we're, we're so used to performing in front of audiences.

• 2:33:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:48Joe Rogan?

  That for some people, the, the moment, like, for young actors.

• 2:33:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:52Joe Rogan?

  The moment when it's like, action, and you walk in, and then you see that crowd, it, it's overwhelming for some people.

• 2:33:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is.

• 2:34:00Joe Rogan?

  It's very hard for them to find that comfort level that allows them to perform at the level that they know they can.

• 2:34:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:34:06Joe Rogan?

  Like, they, they might be really good actors, but the feeling is so overwhelming, they can't find the rhythm.

• 2:34:13Speaker 02

  You know what the opposite of that was for me, and I don't know if you had this experience? We were used to performing in front of live audiences, doing stand-up, where they're like reacting immediately. We do a joke, they laugh. But now, when you're doing a movie or- TV, suddenly you're in front of an audience who are cameramen and directors and make and they just stand there. They don't laugh.

• 2:34:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:34:38Speaker 02

  And that became like the opposite of what we do. So when I first started doing TV and movies, I'd get anxiety because it's like, well, they're not laughing. They're not reacting. They're just standing there. It was all these technical people. And that freaked me out a little bit, but I had to overcome that.

• 2:34:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that is weird. If you think it's really funny and then you're saying it and no one's laughing.

• 2:34:59Speaker 02

  They're all just standing because they're just making a movie.

• 2:35:01Joe Rogan?

  Right. Cause it's not like the cameras are there by themselves.

• 2:35:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:35:05Joe Rogan?

  There's people behind the cameras and you're doing it for people.

• 2:35:08Speaker 02

  A whole crew, like 50 people would be standing there while you're doing a scene.

• 2:35:12Joe Rogan?

  With a cigarette in their hand, drinking coffee, shaking their head.

• 2:35:14Speaker 02

  Checking notes and did that throw you when you first started?

• 2:35:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, news radio luckily was in front of an audience.

• 2:35:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true.

• 2:35:22Joe Rogan?

  So when you're doing this.

• 2:35:23Speaker 02

  But they were between the audience and and you was all those people I was and cameras.

• 2:35:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the people laughed at all the jokes.

• 2:35:31Speaker 02

  Okay, good.

• 2:35:32Joe Rogan?

  If they were good, you know, if they were good jokes, but so that was to me was like a different way of delivering jokes.

• 2:35:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:38Joe Rogan?

  It was, it was still, it was fun.

• 2:35:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:40Joe Rogan?

  It was, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed sitcom, but the only way to do it right is to have really good writers. And that's hard to find, man. Like news radio had that and really good performers. But if you're on a bad one, you're in hell. You're in hell and you're just collecting checks.

• 2:35:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:57Joe Rogan?

  And you just.

• 2:35:58Speaker 02

  Good checks though.

• 2:35:59Joe Rogan?

  Good check. That's the problem.

• 2:36:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:01Joe Rogan?

  That's the problem. The velvet prison.

• 2:36:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:03Joe Rogan?

  Those are the guys that wind up doing drugs. The guys that are on a show that they hate.

• 2:36:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:07Joe Rogan?

  They're they, yeah, you go straight two and a half men. Fucking Charlie Sheen in it.

• 2:36:12Speaker 02

  Wow, yeah.

• 2:36:13Joe Rogan?

  It's part of it. And part of it is just like you're in that lifestyle anyway.

• 2:36:17Speaker 02

  You're wired.

• 2:36:17Joe Rogan?

  Part of it is also like, I don't want to do this.

• 2:36:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:21Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:36:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I experienced that.

• 2:36:23Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to do a sitcom. I'm bored. I'm bored with these lame punchlines. And next thing you know, you're smoking crack and running from the cops.

• 2:36:31Speaker 02

  You know what I realized too is with these sitcoms. It's, they all keep borrowing the same premise. Like, I did three different sitcoms and it's like, "Oh, now we're doing the episode where the lead guy is somehow dating an S and M queen." And now we're doing the episode where Jim gets his car stolen. Like, you start to realize, like, there's about forty different episodes, but they all just insert them and sort of change them a little. And it's really very weird. It's like a recipe.

• 2:37:06Joe Rogan?

  So many premises.

• 2:37:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, right.

• 2:37:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, well, that's just the uncreative ones. I mean, that's why Curb Your Enthusiasm was so amazing.

• 2:37:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:37:13Joe Rogan?

  They didn't repeat any premises. That show was fucking incredibly creative and bizarre. And no audience.

• 2:37:20Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 2:37:20Joe Rogan?

  Another one, no audience.

• 2:37:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. But the ones, the ones that, that were fresh were the ones that didn't, it was more like the traditional sitcoms that just plugged in the premises. And it was like, it's like, "Oh, my God, I've already done this."

• 2:37:32Joe Rogan?

  There's, but there's something to that form where it's, when it's done really well, it is very enjoyable. It's very comforting. Like, I, I always thought, like, I saw clips of The Big Bang. I never watched The Big Bang. Until I started watching it with my kids. And I'm like, "This is a fucking very funny show." It's like a really good show with like very defined characters, really well-made. And I had this prejudice of it. I think because I had seen some clips where they were doing like retakes and there's no audience. So they're saying the jokes with no laughs behind them. It just seems kind of lame. But everything seems lame like that. Like, retakes of news radio seemed lame too while we were doing them.

• 2:38:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:11Joe Rogan?

  But when I watched the shows, like, there's something comforting about this kind of a show, and I wish they still did them. They don't do them anymore.

• 2:38:19Speaker 02

  They're dead. They're dying. They're gone.

• 2:38:20Joe Rogan?

  Miss Pat is the only one that I know of that has an actual sitcom right now.

• 2:38:24Speaker 02

  Like a three cam?

• 2:38:25Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. She's got a live audience sitcom.

• 2:38:28Speaker 02

  Wow, yeah.

• 2:38:29Joe Rogan?

  I don't think anybody else does. Or if they do, I don't know about it. They used to be fucking common as shit, man.

• 2:38:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was, that was the goal. That was the dream, to go get a sitcom.

• 2:38:39Joe Rogan?

  But isn't it weird that we still enjoy them?

• 2:38:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:42Joe Rogan?

  But yet, no one makes them anymore.

• 2:38:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think they've been knocked out of contention because they're so um set up. Whereas we live in this world now where people just scroll real life.

• 2:38:53Joe Rogan?

  But why? Because dramas are still on TV. There's still a million NCSI, whatever the fuck those shows are. You know what I mean? There's a million of those shows.

• 2:39:03Speaker 02

  As the Hulk once said.

• 2:39:05Joe Rogan?

  Law and Order Special Victims Unit, there's a million of those shows. So those kinds of same premise shows of cops and lawyers and all that shit. Those still exist, the medical examiner shows, the forensic examiner show, those shows exist. So how come all these, you know, there's a resurgence of rancher shows? Now everyone's a rancher? Right? There's fifteen rancher shows now? So those shows exist, but no sitcoms?

• 2:39:33Speaker 02

  As the Incredible Hulk once said, "Me not know why."

• 2:39:37Joe Rogan?

  I think it's a giant mistake. Cause I think you could make a sitcom right now, whether Paramount Plus does it, or one of those organizations that streams. You could make a great fucking multicam sitcom right now.

• 2:39:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't even turn on the TV anymore, though. I think people are being weaned right off a television. We're in a transitional phase.

• 2:39:58Joe Rogan?

  You don't watch Netflix?

• 2:40:01Speaker 02

  Dude, I rarely ever, when I used to go on the road, I would check into a hotel and turn on the TV right away. I don't think I've turned on a hotel TV in about six years.

• 2:40:13Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:40:13Speaker 02

  I don't even turn it on. When I go home, I watch my TV maybe once a month, if that. I don't even look at it anymore.

• 2:40:22Joe Rogan?

  So do you look at your phone?

• 2:40:24Speaker 02

  I look at my phone.

• 2:40:25Joe Rogan?

  That's it.

• 2:40:25Speaker 02

  That's it. It's bizarre. I'm even weirded out by it. It's like, what am I doing?

• 2:40:30Joe Rogan?

  You never sit down and watch a movie?

• 2:40:31Speaker 02

  Rarely. It's very rare.

• 2:40:33Joe Rogan?

  Should do that. Should watch a movie.

• 2:40:35Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:40:35Joe Rogan?

  They're very entertaining.

• 2:40:37Speaker 02

  People should watch my new movie. Can I say something about it?

• 2:40:40Joe Rogan?

  You don't watch movies and you make them?

• 2:40:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:43Joe Rogan?

  You know fucking crazy that is?

• 2:40:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:46Joe Rogan?

  What's wrong with you?

• 2:40:47Speaker 02

  I'm crazy. I'm crazy, alright.

• 2:40:50Joe Rogan?

  What is your new movie?

• 2:40:51Speaker 02

  Do you mind me talking about it?

• 2:40:52Joe Rogan?

  Please do.

• 2:40:53Speaker 02

  Are you sure?

• 2:40:53Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:40:54Speaker 02

  I wrote, directed, and starred in a new movie that just came out a few days ago called Wingman. And it's on streamers, Apple TV, and it's on Prime, Prime Video.

• 2:41:09Speaker 02

  And I play a crazy wingman that helps people get laid.

• 2:41:15Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:41:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's with Jamie Kennedy, Russell Peters, Kayla Wallace, Evan Marsh.

• 2:41:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice.

• 2:41:22Speaker 02

  Shiva Nagar and uh.

• 2:41:24Joe Rogan?

  Did you make this yourself?

• 2:41:25Speaker 02

  Well, we made it with a, with a studio, Stardust Pictures up in Canada with David Lippert and Justin Levine. And uh, it's a full-on, full-on movie we, we shot up in Canada.

• 2:41:36Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:41:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, really proud of it and uh, and I hope people check it out. I hope you check it out. Yeah.

• 2:41:43Joe Rogan?

  I'll check it out if you promise to watch movies every now and then yourself.

• 2:41:46Speaker 02

  I'll do it if you promise to be in my next movie and we'll watch it together. It's an offer.

• 2:41:52Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:41:53Speaker 02

  We can talk.

• 2:41:54Joe Rogan?

  Okay. I'm excited.

• 2:41:54Speaker 02

  I'd love to see you get back into do a little acting.

• 2:41:57Joe Rogan?

  I like that there are comedy movies again. I really do. That's nice.

• 2:42:01Speaker 02

  Well, that's the one with I'm gonna do with Tony is full-on. That's why I'm sort of asking you. Cause I wanna see you get your comedy face in there again.

• 2:42:08Joe Rogan?

  What is it about?

• 2:42:09Speaker 02

  It's about a redneck culture.

• 2:42:11Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:42:11Speaker 02

  And this is the part where you really love it, cause I know you love vehicles. It centers around something called a mud bog. Where guys in Florida jack up their pickup trucks and drive through mud for three days. It's not monster trucks. They just drive through mud and jump and spray. And then the other part of the movie takes place in those airboats that drive through all the marshes in Florida. And you would be the mayor of this town and get into it with Tony, who becomes one of these mug bod guys. So you'd be around all this shit.

• 2:42:45Joe Rogan?

  Good lord, Florida is a different part of the world.

• 2:42:48Speaker 02

  Isn't it wild?

• 2:42:49Joe Rogan?

  Look at these fucking cars. That's crazy. You got an old Camaro.

• 2:42:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is what they do. Tell me you wouldn't like to be around that, Joe.

• 2:42:56Joe Rogan?

  Scroll back up, please.

• 2:42:57Speaker 02

  It's so fun.

• 2:43:00Speaker 02

  So the movie's.

• 2:43:01Joe Rogan?

  Digging into the world of mud bogging in north central Florida.

• 2:43:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. So Tony's gonna be the uh, the lead guy who tries to win the whole mud bog thing. But meanwhile, the mayor, which would be you, wants him out of town because he's such a redneck. He doesn't like the culture.

• 2:43:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus.

• 2:43:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. Look at that.

• 2:43:24Joe Rogan?

  Florida is so different.

• 2:43:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:26Joe Rogan?

  It is such a different place.

• 2:43:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:28Joe Rogan?

  God.

• 2:43:29Speaker 02

  So, we're gonna have fun doing that. But yeah, thank you for letting me mention Wingman.

• 2:43:33Joe Rogan?

  No, that's awesome, dude.

• 2:43:34Speaker 02

  It's when you do an indie project, it helps to be able to talk about it. So, thank you.

• 2:43:40Joe Rogan?

  If you got an offer after this show to do a sitcom, would you consider doing it if someone said, "Listen, I think we could bring back the multicam sitcom, but we want you to star in it, Harlan."

• 2:43:51Speaker 02

  I would if it was, if it's all about the material.

• 2:43:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:54Speaker 02

  Cause me and you were older. I think as we get older, it becomes about how do we wanna dedicate our time? I'm not interested in just doing, "Oh, I got a sitcom." It's gotta have meaning to me.

• 2:44:05Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 2:44:05Speaker 02

  It's gotta be something where I think-

• 2:44:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but if you could help create it.

• 2:44:09Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:44:09Joe Rogan?

  That's what I'm saying, like-

• 2:44:10Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 2:44:10Joe Rogan?

  All those guys that used to work on all those shows, like Seinfeld and Friends, and they have to still be out there in the world.

• 2:44:18Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:44:19Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that nuts?

• 2:44:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:44:20Joe Rogan?

  Like, can you imagine, imagine back in the 90s when everybody wanted a sitcom?

• 2:44:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:44:25Joe Rogan?

  When we were first coming up. If you said, you know, "One day, there'll be no more sitcoms." You'd be like, "What the fuck are you talking about?" You would've never believed that. If you went into these rooms where they're making Sex and the City and the Single Guy and all these rooms, and you say, "Guys, enjoy it while you can."

• 2:44:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:44:42Joe Rogan?

  Because in a couple of decades, there's gonna be zero sitcoms on television. They would've just laughed.

• 2:44:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:44:48Joe Rogan?

  They would've kicked you out of that office. "Get the fuck out of here. You don't know what you're talking about." Meanwhile, that's true.

• 2:44:53Speaker 02

  Well, this is why I love, I hate, I'm just gonna go back to quickly AI because it shows we're evolving. You know, remember, Joe, at one point, movies were black and white. They didn't have sound.

• 2:45:04Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:45:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. They were, and then talkies came and color and digital. And so, I love it that every form of our entertainment is evolving and becoming, there's stuff gonna come that we don't even know, which I love.

• 2:45:20Joe Rogan?

  Me too.

• 2:45:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:21Joe Rogan?

  But I think sitcoms didn't have to go away. That's what I'm saying.

• 2:45:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe not, but maybe so. Like, the new way, like, your daughters probably don't wanna sit down for half an hour.

• 2:45:31Joe Rogan?

  They love sitcoms.

• 2:45:31Speaker 02

  They do?

• 2:45:32Joe Rogan?

  They watch old ones.

• 2:45:34Speaker 02

  Okay, well, I was wrong. I was really wrong.

• 2:45:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, me and my youngest, we sat through the entire season, I mean, the entire, all seasons of Big Bang Theory. That was me and my family, we watched that one. Yeah. My wife and my, and then we watched Young Sheldon, which was the next version of it. Young Sheldon was really good. It was, uh, it was a single cam show. It was on Netflix. And it was Sheldon as a young kid. It was, uh, the genius kid as a young boy. Very funny show, but totally different. Like, really cute, sweet show, but not, uh, in front of a live audience. And I think there's something, I loved doing news radio. I really did.

• 2:46:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:15Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, but it was just because it was insanely talented cast and we were all like brothers and sisters. We were, we had so much fun.

• 2:46:24Speaker 02

  Family.

• 2:46:24Joe Rogan?

  For five years, we worked together. We got drunk all the time and we, it was so silly. It was such a fun set.

• 2:46:30Speaker 02

  It's like summer camp.

• 2:46:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was really fun. It was really, and the show, I think, was really good.

• 2:46:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, it did well.

• 2:46:36Joe Rogan?

  And also, here's the best part, it was never really successful, which was great, because none of us got really rich or famous from that show. It was really, it was, it was always like not doing so well in the ratings. We got moved nine times in five years. And this is back, back before the internet, so you couldn't like send out a tweet, hey, we're on Sunday nights now. You know, and it was back also when nobody had.

• 2:46:56Speaker 03

  This is, I just saw this trailer the other day. This is a spinoff from Big Bang Theory, but it's not a, it's like, you know, in front of an audience sitcom. And it's not multicam either, I suppose, but it was popping up.

• 2:47:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no shit?

• 2:47:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's called, bruh, Stuart Fails to Save the Universe. But it's a new show, you know, it is a comedy. It is a thirty minute show, kinda.

• 2:47:19Joe Rogan?

  In that universe?

• 2:47:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, even like the, the logo was like, that's a shame, kinda.

• 2:47:25Joe Rogan?

  Wow. It's on HBO? Nice.

• 2:47:28Speaker 02

  Wild.

• 2:47:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:31Joe Rogan?

  Who's created more bangers than that Chuck Lorre guy?

• 2:47:34Speaker 02

  Oh my god, yeah.

• 2:47:35Joe Rogan?

  That guy's created so many big sitcoms.

• 2:47:37Speaker 02

  He did.

• 2:47:38Joe Rogan?

  He was big bang the, what's up?

• 2:47:40Speaker 03

  An article he wrote, or I just read interviewing him, said that those shows kinda died because like The Office and uh Curb kinda killed it.

• 2:47:47Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 2:47:47Speaker 02

  The single camera stuff, yeah.

• 2:47:49Speaker 03

  No audience.

• 2:47:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:50Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:47:51Speaker 03

  I was also thinking, I wouldn't wanna go sit and watch a taping of a show right now. How much would they have to pay an audience to do that?

• 2:47:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:47:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, you only have to pay the audience until the show becomes successful.

• 2:48:01Speaker 03

  True. Yeah, I guess people would wanna go.

• 2:48:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't really wanna pay the audience, cuz they're not as much fun. Like, news radio in the beginning, nobody knew who the fuck we were. But by season three, the audience was news radio fans.

• 2:48:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:13Joe Rogan?

  And it became a totally different thing. It was really fun. And Phil Hartman used to do stand-up.

• 2:48:17Speaker 02

  Oh, nice.

• 2:48:18Joe Rogan?

  He had talked about doing stand-up in the clubs, but he would do, he was really good at impressions. He would do Bill Clinton impressions.

• 2:48:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:24Joe Rogan?

  He had bits, he had little things he would run. And he would just do it for fun. And, you know, we talked about him actually doing it in clubs, and he thought about doing it. Um, but it was, the whole thing was silly. Like, Andy Dick would address the audience, he would, people would answer questions. We had a good warm-up guy. It was like a party that was going on.

• 2:48:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:43Joe Rogan?

  Everybody had a great time. And that was after the show, you know, caught its gear. But it never was popular until it became syndicated. Then was the syndication, then it became really popular.

• 2:48:54Speaker 02

  At least yours was sort of popular. Every, every week they'd put out the top one hundred. And my sitcom was always number ninety-nine or one hundred. So at least yours was probably up in the top thirty.

• 2:49:07Joe Rogan?

  No. One day Lou Morton, Lou Morton was one of our writers, and Lou, every week would show up with a, a t-shirt with a number on it that he would draw with magic marker of what we were. And one day he showed up and it said eighty-eight. I go, eighty-eight? He goes, yep. I go, no. He goes, yeah. I go, fuck.

• 2:49:25Speaker 02

  Dude, I was a hundred every week.

• 2:49:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, what network were you on?

• 2:49:31Speaker 02

  The WB.

• 2:49:32Joe Rogan?

  We were on NBC.

• 2:49:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, so WB didn't have affiliates all across the country. We only had like 60%.

• 2:49:39Joe Rogan?

  88 at NBC is you're barely alive.

• 2:49:42Speaker 02

  But still 100 hertz.

• 2:49:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:44Speaker 02

  100.

• 2:49:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, they always, always tell us, "Don't worry, we're not worried about the numbers. We know you gotta find your audience again. Now you're on Monday night."

• 2:49:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:51Joe Rogan?

  It used to be on Sunday.

• 2:49:52Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 2:49:53Joe Rogan?

  And one time we were on Thursday night, we were in the Friends sandwich. So it was Friends and Seinfeld, which was Paul Simms, the executive producer of news radio, famous called The Shit Sandwich. Because in between Friends and Seinfeld, you would have like Caroline and the City and these shows that weren't as good.

• 2:50:11Speaker 02

  Do you wanna hear about Salt in the Wound?

• 2:50:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:50:14Speaker 02

  So mine was, show was number 100, okay? It was called Simon. It was me, I was the star, I played Simon. Jason Bateman played my brother.

• 2:50:25Joe Rogan?

  Look at that.

• 2:50:26Speaker 02

  And the lead girl, Andrea Bendowald, we ended up dating. She became my girlfriend. Her best friend was Jennifer Aniston. She lived with Jennifer. So I would go and stay at Jennifer's house every night with my girlfriend. We were like three's company. And I'd have to sit there and watch Friends with Jennifer, the number one show, while me and Andre were at the bottom of number 100. It was like, oh. I mean, love Jennifer, was so happy, but talk about salt in the wound. It was like, oh, damn.

• 2:51:03Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it crazy, though, but you're on TV. You're living the dream. This is one of the things that...

• 2:51:07Speaker 02

  It was great. It was great.

• 2:51:08Joe Rogan?

  The earliest social media was the, the Variety magazine and the Hollywood Reporter.

• 2:51:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:51:15Joe Rogan?

  That was like the same thing, where these people would compare themselves to everybody else. And they would look at the rankings. And I would show up on the set and, you know, like... All these people love to read those things. And they were reading those things and I started calling them the devil's rag. I go, why are you reading the devil's rag? I go, because we were complaining like, I can't believe we're number 36. If we were on, you know, Thursday night, we would be number two or number one or whatever. And I go, last time I checked, I'm on TV. I go, we're on TV. We're on TV on NBC. There's not a lot of people that get to be on TV.

• 2:51:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:51:47Joe Rogan?

  Like, this is great. We're living the dream. So we're not number one. Like, you guys are reading that and you're forgetting how many people that you're friends with that are going on auditions right now that would kill to be on NBC. But it's the devil's rag. It's the same thing that happens with, you know, you say, oh, I just got a new car. I'm pretty happy. And then, oh, Jeff Bezos got a yacht. Fuck!

• 2:52:06Speaker 02

  I'll be honest, I was like you. I was like, I'm on TV. But I gotta tell you, as we got deeper into the season, and I had to sit there beside Jennifer Aniston and watch her number one show every week, and old 100 is sitting beside her. I gotta say, it started to seep in where you're just like, fuck, I'm on TV! You know, it's like, there were days when it was just, you could feel it. Not blaming her, but just the business. It was hard to sit at one end and see the other. But that's the way it works.

• 2:52:42Joe Rogan?

  It's the way it is, but you gotta really just be happy that you're on TV.

• 2:52:45Speaker 02

  You're winning the lottery!

• 2:52:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you won the lottery. You just didn't win the mega powerball.

• 2:52:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I loved it. I got to work with Jason and I, you know, I was the star of my... I came from the suburbs of Toronto. Never thought I'd do anything. Here I am, I'm the star of my own sitcom, Simon. I'm like, this is unbelievable. Yeah, I share your attitude.

• 2:53:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:53:08Speaker 02

  Yeah!

• 2:53:08Joe Rogan?

  And there's a lot of them that don't work, man. I was on the set and we were there, like, so you'd go to Sunset Gower and there'd be a bunch of other places that were next to you. And I'd go visit with all those guys. Because like, a lot of them were my friends. Like, Lenny Clark, Lenny Clark was right down the street. Because he was on the John Larriquette show. Do you remember that?

• 2:53:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I got a little story about that one. You're done. I'll tell you.

• 2:53:31Joe Rogan?

  Please, go ahead. Tell me.

• 2:53:32Speaker 02

  Are you sure? You don't want to finish?

• 2:53:33Joe Rogan?

  Did John Larriquette yell at you?

• 2:53:34Speaker 02

  So before I got my own sitcom, so I was in Hollywood. I did two auditions. I did one for Ellen DeGeneres's first show. It's called These Friends of Mine. And I was a guest star on the show with Molly Shannon. And then my second audition was for The John Larriquette Show. And I went in and auditioned and the feedback to my agents was John said, "This guy wants his own sitcom." And I said to my agents, I said, "You're damn right I do." And the next gig I got was my own sitcom.

• 2:54:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's hilarious.

• 2:54:09Speaker 02

  Chick, that was pretty cool.

• 2:54:10Joe Rogan?

  So you think he didn't like you because you wanted your own sitcom? Or he thought you were too good for his show because you want your own sitcom?

• 2:54:15Speaker 02

  I think he must have sensed I walked in there with attitude or cockiness, which I didn't. I just did the audition, but he must have been reading my vibes somehow.

• 2:54:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's you.

• 2:54:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, so.

• 2:54:26Joe Rogan?

  People that don't, like, people that don't, you, this Harland, you've always been like this.

• 2:54:32Speaker 02

  I have.

• 2:54:32Joe Rogan?

  From the moment I met you.

• 2:54:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:54:34Joe Rogan?

  You've always been like this, very happy, very confident guy. You never look rattled to do a show. You always look like you're having a good fucking time.

• 2:54:42Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:54:43Joe Rogan?

  All of us, like, there was moments where everyone had a big show and you're like, "Fuck." Real nervous. You were never like that.

• 2:54:49Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:54:49Joe Rogan?

  You were always like, happy-go-lucky.

• 2:54:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:54:52Joe Rogan?

  I don't know one person that doesn't like you.

• 2:54:55Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 2:54:55Joe Rogan?

  Do you know how crazy that is?

• 2:54:57Speaker 02

  No, I'm not even married.

• 2:54:58Joe Rogan?

  But do you know how crazy that is? Like, I know every comic that I know has a comic that they don't get along with, that they hate.

• 2:55:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:55:06Joe Rogan?

  Someone hates them, or they hate them, or there's some fucking, "Fuck that guy. That guy's a piece of shit." "His comedy sucks." No one says that about you. Do you know how amazing that is?

• 2:55:15Speaker 02

  Well, that's, I'm, that's a blessing.

• 2:55:17Joe Rogan?

  We were talking about that in the green room one day. We were talking about it in the green room, because it was after you came on with Dimitri. I was, I told everybody, I was howling. He waited the whole show before he pulled his fucking snake out of his pants. By the way, that snake sat right in front of Donald Trump when he was here.

• 2:55:31Speaker 02

  I loved it. I told you that.

• 2:55:33Joe Rogan?

  I know you did. Um, so. That conversation that we had in the green room was like, who the fuck do you know that doesn't like Harland? And we all sat around and talked about it. There's no one.

• 2:55:42Speaker 02

  Aw.

• 2:55:43Joe Rogan?

  You are, you are like the most uni- universally loved comedian that I know.

• 2:55:47Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh.

• 2:55:48Joe Rogan?

  I have to defend Tony to everybody.

• 2:55:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, Tony, yeah.

• 2:55:51Joe Rogan?

  I have to go, he's a great guy!

• 2:55:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:55:53Joe Rogan?

  He's a great guy.

• 2:55:54Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah.

• 2:55:54Joe Rogan?

  It's just like, in that world, you have to understand the roast world. Like, that is not the real world, kids. That is, you're going for blood. You know? Like, if you're in a cage fight and you elbow someone in the face, it's not because you're a bad person.

• 2:56:08Speaker 02

  You have to.

• 2:56:08Joe Rogan?

  It's like, that is the game.

• 2:56:09Speaker 02

  That's your job.

• 2:56:10Joe Rogan?

  That's the game we're playing.

• 2:56:11Speaker 02

  If you don't do it, you're, you're, you're letting yourself down. You've gotta go in and fight, yeah.

• 2:56:16Joe Rogan?

  That's the game we're playing, these are the rules that we're under. We're all talking shit.

• 2:56:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56:20Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:56:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's, uh...

• 2:56:22Joe Rogan?

  And so when you see people complain about it.

• 2:56:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56:24Joe Rogan?

  Say, I understand the general public that's not aware of what roasts are. Because the reality of roasts are, especially for like, if you're a 22-year-old kid, the last time there were roasts on television before the Tom Brady bros was literally 10 years ago.

• 2:56:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56:38Joe Rogan?

  Like, do you remember the Charlie Sheen roast, the Donald Trump roast, the Comedy Central roast? They used to have them all the time.

• 2:56:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, all the time.

• 2:56:43Joe Rogan?

  They were a long time ago.

• 2:56:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56:45Joe Rogan?

  It's a long time in the zeitgeist. Right? So those things don't exist to kids. To kids, comedy is joking about stuff. Comedy is Chris Rock, comedy is Kevin Hart.

• 2:56:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56:55Joe Rogan?

  Comedy is Louis C.K. That's what they think of comedy as. They don't under- they don't even understand the jokes. Like, that this is, roast jokes are fucking mean. They've always been fucking mean.

• 2:57:05Speaker 02

  They can be cruel, too.

• 2:57:07Joe Rogan?

  Personal, ruthless. Go back and watch all those old Comedy Central roasts. They were fucking brutal.

• 2:57:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:57:13Joe Rogan?

  They were brutal. Patrice would just eviscerate the entire fucking stadium. Those things, the thing is like, if you're a person and you're not accustomed to roast and you don't get why those jokes are so mean, I get it. But comedians... Comedians that are getting upset about these roast jokes, fuck all the way off. Just fuck all the way off.

• 2:57:37Speaker 02

  All the way?

• 2:57:37Joe Rogan?

  You fucking traitor.

• 2:57:38Speaker 02

  All the way off.

• 2:57:39Joe Rogan?

  You know what this is. You know exactly what this is. You're a fucking traitor. You're just using this moment to try to boost yourself up, to try to like knock down what's happening in these. You could disagree with the content. You could say, I think they went too far with this. I don't think, but this, this fucking pretending that these people are actual racists and Nazis just because they're telling these jokes that are in a roast, like fuck all the way off.

• 2:58:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, don't suit up, go out and play hockey if you don't want to play hockey.

• 2:58:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:09Speaker 02

  Like, sit on the bench.

• 2:58:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:10Speaker 02

  And don't, don't bad mouth the people playing hockey. Yeah, it is what it is and...

• 2:58:15Joe Rogan?

  That's the game. That's the game we're playing. We're playing this ruthless, and by the way, you know who didn't have a problem with it? Kevin fucking Hart.

• 2:58:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:58:23Joe Rogan?

  Kevin fucking Hart has defended every single person that said horrible shit about him, about him being lynched from a bonsai tree and all the craziest shit that they said.

• 2:58:31Speaker 02

  Well, you know who else didn't have a problem with it is the people, the corporations that put it on corporate television on corporate airwaves. So there's a whole subsection of the foundation of where these, the platform that they're given, they didn't care about it either, or they wouldn't do it.

• 2:58:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, they knew from the Tom Brady roast how powerful those things are now. The Tom Brady roast was the number one watch thing in Netflix history.

• 2:58:56Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:58:57Joe Rogan?

  There's more than 55 million people watched that thing.

• 2:58:59Speaker 02

  I gotta say, I'm not the hugest fan because I don't love cruel humor as much, but, but I do love it that that Tom Brady roast, I feel like it kicked wokeness over the cliff, like those Buffalo. We were getting so woke and we needed that roast to sort of course correct.

• 2:59:18Joe Rogan?

  There's two things that killed woke. Number one, Kid Rock. Gunned down a whole fucking stack of Bud Light cans.

• 2:59:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love that.

• 2:59:26Joe Rogan?

  That was it.

• 2:59:27Speaker 02

  That was so good.

• 2:59:29Joe Rogan?

  That might have been it.

• 2:59:30Speaker 02

  Oh, that was gorgeous.

• 2:59:31Joe Rogan?

  That might have been it because then they got to see the real financial consequences of being fucking completely insane.

• 2:59:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:59:38Joe Rogan?

  That people were fed up. They're like, enough.

• 2:59:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:59:41Joe Rogan?

  And Kid Rock saying, fuck you, Anheuser-Busch. Like, that is, that's a big hit to the stock price. And then people realize, oh, this is a micro set of people that are very loud, but it's not the macro. It's not, it's not, it's not the general population.

• 2:59:56Speaker 02

  It's even smaller than micro. It's, it's like, micro, micro.

• 3:00:00Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, but the people that were in it, a lot of them abandoned ship.

• 3:00:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:00:04Joe Rogan?

  A lot of them abandoned ship.

• 3:00:05Speaker 02

  Virtue signaling is done.

• 3:00:07Joe Rogan?

  They just realized, they got caught up in a thing that was like the way people were behaving. And so they imitated what was going on in their social groups. It's a normal thing that people do, but it just, it wasn't rational. And that's why it got shot down by Kid Rock.

• 3:00:21Speaker 02

  By the way, what kind of gun did he use? I don't know guns. I bet you know what he used.

• 3:00:25Joe Rogan?

  I think he used an AR.

• 3:00:26Speaker 02

  What's that?

• 3:00:27Joe Rogan?

  If we go back and look at it, it's an assault rifle.

• 3:00:29Speaker 02

  Is it like, like automatic?

• 3:00:31Joe Rogan?

  Semi-automatic. I mean, maybe he used an automatic. He's in Tennessee. They have some solid gun laws.

• 3:00:35Speaker 02

  He just blasted away?

• 3:00:36Joe Rogan?

  You can kind of have whatever you want there.

• 3:00:37Speaker 02

  How many in a clip for an AR, do you know?

• 3:00:40Joe Rogan?

  It's called a magazine. And, uh...

• 3:00:42Speaker 02

  See, I don't know. Canadian, I don't know anything about guns.

• 3:00:45Joe Rogan?

  They vary.

• 3:00:46Speaker 02

  A magazine.

• 3:00:47Joe Rogan?

  They took all your guns up there in Canada.

• 3:00:48Speaker 02

  Well, we never had them.

• 3:00:49Joe Rogan?

  What is he shooting there?

• 3:00:51Speaker 02

  Wow, look at that.

• 3:00:53Joe Rogan?

  Let's see, let's see the video of him doing it and I can kind of tell you better.

• 3:00:56Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 3:00:58Joe Rogan?

  Kid Rock shoots back at Bud Light. How many views does this have?

• 3:01:04Joe Rogan?

  How many views does this video have?

• 3:01:05Speaker 03

  Some news reporting of it. I don't mean, he didn't post it on YouTube.

• 3:01:09Joe Rogan?

  Look at this.

• 3:01:11Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 3:01:14Joe Rogan?

  Okay, uh, that's an AR, I think.

• 3:01:17Speaker 02

  That's the magazine.

• 3:01:18Joe Rogan?

  But it might be, it might be a fully automatic.

• 3:01:20Speaker 02

  That's not a clip?

• 3:01:22Joe Rogan?

  Let me hear it, please.

• 3:01:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think that's fully automatic. Yeah, that's fully automatic, 100%.

• 3:01:27Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 3:01:29Joe Rogan?

  So he has, uh, some kind of machine gun.

• 3:01:34Speaker 02

  I wanna go out and shoot up a six pack of Dr. Pepper just for fun. I love Dr. Pepper, but now I wanna shoot some pop.

• 3:01:43Joe Rogan?

  Why don't you just go shoot something you don't like? Cause it's kind of symbolic of something you're trying to kill.

• 3:01:48Speaker 02

  Wolves?

• 3:01:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:01:49Speaker 02

  I love wolves. You wanna shoot a wolf. We're not going back to the wolves.

• 3:01:53Joe Rogan?

  Depends on where they are. Listen, if wolves are in the mountains and they're just being wolves and they're eating elk and deer, and I'm all for wolves. I'm not an anti-wolf person, but I think you shouldn't bring them into residential neighborhoods and drop them off in ranches. I think that's fucking ridiculous.

• 3:02:08Speaker 02

  I'm bringing you back.

• 3:02:10Joe Rogan?

  But I think that wolves in the wild are important. I'm not an anti-wolf person. I just don't like people doing what I call ballot box biology, where you get people to decide by voting that are never gonna experience these wolves. Do you think we should reintroduce wolves to Colorado? And all these people that just got back from Whole Foods like, "Yeah, that would be amazing. I heard it was gonna help the sprouts grow." And they vote yes, and then these poor lambs are getting eaten alive.

• 3:02:37Speaker 02

  Have you shot a wolf?

• 3:02:38Joe Rogan?

  No, no. I don't wanna hunt wolves. I don't, I mean, I would shoot a wolf if I thought the wolf was like endangering my family or trying to kill my dog or something like that, but I love wolves. I don't not like wolves. I think they're awesome. I think they're awesome.

• 3:02:50Speaker 02

  Have you ever heard a wolf howl in the wild?

• 3:02:53Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 3:02:54Speaker 02

  It's very haunting. It's very ghostly. Even more, I know you've heard coyotes.

• 3:02:59Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:03:00Speaker 02

  But a wolf has this long howl. It's almost, I can see why Native Americans are so spiritually connected to it. It's very ghostly and it's spiritual almost. It's a very beautiful sound.

• 3:03:13Joe Rogan?

  No, they're amazing animals.

• 3:03:17Joe Rogan?

  That's pretty good.

• 3:03:19Speaker 02

  Sort of like that.

• 3:03:33Joe Rogan?

  You know if you do that, I had a friend who had wolves.

• 3:03:35Speaker 02

  Sorry, I slipped, yeah.

• 3:03:36Joe Rogan?

  I had a friend who had wolves, and if you do that in his house, they start howling.

• 3:03:39Speaker 02

  Oh yeah. Yeah, they go nuts.

• 3:03:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I would go over his house and, and.

• 3:03:48Speaker 02

  Father?

• 3:03:49Joe Rogan?

  Wild, what a wild animal.

• 3:03:51Speaker 02

  They're amazing.

• 3:03:52Joe Rogan?

  Crazy noise. They're, look, they're incredible.

• 3:03:55Speaker 02

  They're incredible.

• 3:03:57Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's so awesome.

• 3:04:01Speaker 02

  I saw one in the wild.

• 3:04:02Joe Rogan?

  And by the way, they're important to keep populations. I just don't think you should reintroduce them to fucking Aspen, you assholes.

• 3:04:09Speaker 02

  I don't know, it might be fun to see a pack of timbers taking down a skier. Like Charlie Sheen coming down the hill with Denise Richards and twelve timber wolves like take him down and.

• 3:04:21Joe Rogan?

  There was a movie about that. There was a movie about that called Frozen, not like the let it go, let it go.

• 3:04:26Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, it was with Liam Neeson.

• 3:04:28Joe Rogan?

  No, that was The Grey. The, the Frozen movie is a horror movie. It's a har- I know all the wolf movies.

• 3:04:35Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 3:04:36Joe Rogan?

  It's a horror movie about these kids that are skiing. And they get stuck on a ski lift because they forget they're up there and there's wolves down there.

• 3:04:44Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:04:45Joe Rogan?

  And they get killed. So the guy falls and his legs break and then the wolves come and get him.

• 3:04:50Speaker 02

  See, you're gonna get mad at me, but I don't, a movie like this one scare me because I just know wolves to be skittish like this.

• 3:04:57Joe Rogan?

  You're out of your mind.

• 3:04:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:04:58Joe Rogan?

  You don't know what you're talking about. If you're injured like that.

• 3:04:59Speaker 02

  Like lions, leopards, jaguars, like, forget it. They'll take you down, but my experience with wolves is they're more skittish around humans, but I don't want to get into it again. We can go to Arby's later and have a fight.

• 3:05:14Joe Rogan?

  If you have a broken leg like that guy did in this movie.

• 3:05:16Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, then.

• 3:05:17Joe Rogan?

  You're bleeding and you can smell it. They're tearing him apart right now. Look at, watch, watch it. They're eating him. They're eating him. They're killing the man.

• 3:05:23Speaker 02

  Is that Denise Richards?

• 3:05:24Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 3:05:25Speaker 02

  Oh. It looks like Drew Barrymore.

• 3:05:28Joe Rogan?

  Spoiler alert, they live.

• 3:05:29Speaker 02

  Ah, darn.

• 3:05:29Joe Rogan?

  Also spoiler, no wolves in New Hampshire. It's all bullshit.

• 3:05:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. There probably was at one point.

• 3:05:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they killed them all because they were killing people and lifestyle.

• 3:05:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:05:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:05:39Speaker 02

  Idiots.

• 3:05:40Joe Rogan?

  You know how they killed them too? Most of them, they poisoned. What they would do is they would inject strychnine into horses and leave the horse carcass and the wolves would eat it and then they would all die.

• 3:05:48Speaker 02

  Wow, they did a lot of trapping too, those cruel, the uh, the snap traps.

• 3:05:53Joe Rogan?

  Yep, they did that too.

• 3:05:54Speaker 02

  I knew some old uh, trap guys up when I worked up north and uh, these guys, you might not want to hear this, but the way they'd take them out is they'd trap them in the leg traps. And then they didn't want to damage the pelt, so then they walk up to them while they're trapped and they just clonk them. They'd club them to death.

• 3:06:14Joe Rogan?

  Like how they club seals, like that?

• 3:06:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:06:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:06:16Speaker 02

  Ugh.

• 3:06:17Joe Rogan?

  Horrible.

• 3:06:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, I don't like that.

• 3:06:19Joe Rogan?

  The clubbing seals, man, was rough.

• 3:06:21Speaker 02

  That was rough. You ever see those videos? And the seals, at least a wolf would run away. These seals, they're just laying out sunbathing and they walk up and just bam, smack and pop their skulls.

• 3:06:33Joe Rogan?

  I know, and you're doing that for their fur.

• 3:06:35Speaker 02

  And the babies, they'd smack the babies because they had that beautiful white fur. Oh my gosh. These things are like a chromosome away from being a sex toy, they're so cute.

• 3:06:47Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 3:06:53Joe Rogan?

  Wolves are good.

• 3:06:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:06:54Joe Rogan?

  You just don't want them in your neighborhood.

• 3:06:56Speaker 02

  I do.

• 3:06:56Joe Rogan?

  They should be in the woods.

• 3:06:58Speaker 02

  I love them. I'd, I wouldn't mind if they were around.

• 3:07:01Joe Rogan?

  You say that. You say that. Do you have a dog?

• 3:07:05Speaker 02

  I've had them.

• 3:07:06Joe Rogan?

  What if you came out and your dog was getting eaten alive by wolves? Because they eat dogs.

• 3:07:10Speaker 02

  I lost a coy- uh, uh, one of my dogs to coyotes.

• 3:07:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:07:13Speaker 02

  I remember the day you told me your pit bull went up and took out a whole squad of coyotes.

• 3:07:18Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no. It wasn't my pit bull.

• 3:07:19Speaker 02

  Oh, I thought it was yours.

• 3:07:20Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no.

• 3:07:21Speaker 02

  Your neighbors?

• 3:07:22Joe Rogan?

  It was one of my friends who worked at a pet store.

• 3:07:25Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 3:07:26Joe Rogan?

  Also worked at a veterinarian's office.

• 3:07:27Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 3:07:28Joe Rogan?

  And he told me the story about this pit bull that came into the veterinarian's office. It was covered in cuts.

• 3:07:32Speaker 02

  Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, you told me this like, like ten, fifteen years ago.

• 3:07:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was like one of those. You know, they, there's, there's these companies that, um, take pit bulls and they breed them and make them like a hundred and twenty pounds.

• 3:07:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:07:45Joe Rogan?

  They keep breeding them bigger and bigger.

• 3:07:46Speaker 02

  They look like monsters.

• 3:07:47Joe Rogan?

  This was one of those. This thing was a fucking tank.

• 3:07:49Speaker 02

  Like a tank, yeah.

• 3:07:50Joe Rogan?

  And he said it was covered in cuts.

• 3:07:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:07:52Joe Rogan?

  And they, they asked the guy like, what happened? He goes, I don't know. You know, I came home, he was all fucked up and bleeding.

• 3:07:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:07:58Joe Rogan?

  So he brings him in, they stitch him up, and then the guy follows the blood trail out into the hills. He finds nine dead coyotes.

• 3:08:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember you told me that. We were at the store one night and you told me that, you just heard it. I was like, wow.

• 3:08:10Joe Rogan?

  That is the nuttiest fucking story.

• 3:08:12Speaker 02

  That story stayed with me, cause it was so like crazy.

• 3:08:14Joe Rogan?

  He said he went there, he said it looked like Vietnam.

• 3:08:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:08:16Joe Rogan?

  He goes, they were just, their necks were torn apart, their fucking legs were broken. Cause this pit bull, once he grabs a hold of them, he just starts shaking them. Coyotes weigh like thirty pounds.

• 3:08:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're not super big.

• 3:08:26Joe Rogan?

  But they would do this thing where they would like corner an animal. And they would trick it. And the way they would trick it, they would send one animal out there to get chased.

• 3:08:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:08:34Joe Rogan?

  And so that.

• 3:08:35Speaker 02

  Very cunning.

• 3:08:36Joe Rogan?

  The dog would chase it and they would all come in from the sides and tear it apart.

• 3:08:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're really smart that way.

• 3:08:42Joe Rogan?

  They fucked with the wrong dude.

• 3:08:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, wow.

• 3:08:45Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that a crazy story?

• 3:08:46Speaker 02

  I remember that one. You told me that. I was like, that's crazy.

• 3:08:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:08:51Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 3:08:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're everywhere now. They're in.

• 3:08:54Speaker 02

  Coyotes are everywhere.

• 3:08:56Joe Rogan?

  Everywhere.

• 3:08:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 3:08:58Joe Rogan?

  They're, uh, they're really cool too. Coyote America, that book by Dan Flores, the same guy who wrote, uh, Bison Ecology, Bison Diplomacy. He wrote this amazing book about coyotes where he explains like why they're everywhere. Cause gray wolves and coyotes don't breed, but red wolves and coyotes do. That's why you have those coy wolves on the east coast.

• 3:09:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:09:19Joe Rogan?

  Gray wolves have always killed coyotes.

• 3:09:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:09:22Joe Rogan?

  So when gray wolves find coyotes, they kill them. And so coyotes are used to being persecuted by the gray wolves and then they just keep moving to new places. That's what they do. So that's how they made it all the way across the country. So when people were killing coyotes or people were trying to hunt coyotes, they just moved. They just moved to new places.

• 3:09:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Oh, they can adapt. I see them in my front lawn almost every other week.

• 3:09:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're everywhere.

• 3:09:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm in the Hollywood Hills and they're, I see them walking right past my swimming pool.

• 3:09:50Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it's not cool if you have a dog or a cat, they will eat them, but they are cool. They're, it's a cool animal.

• 3:09:55Speaker 02

  Oh, they're really cool.

• 3:09:56Joe Rogan?

  And their, their howls are wild, too. Those yips in the middle of the night.

• 3:10:02Speaker 02

  Well, they go off sometimes if there's a, a fire engine goes by in Hollywood. The coyotes will react to it and go off.

• 3:10:10Joe Rogan?

  They also keep the rats down. Like, that's why you don't see a lot of rats.

• 3:10:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right.

• 3:10:14Joe Rogan?

  They keep the rat population down.

• 3:10:15Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:10:16Joe Rogan?

  If they, if they killed off all the coyotes, it would have a devastating effect for the ecosystem, too. There would be a bunch of shit that would be around all the time now that they're killing and eating.

• 3:10:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, no, they're, they're cool animals, man. There was a, a girl, speaking of being killed by wolves. There was a girl in Prince Edward Island about, about 12 years ago, I think.

• 3:10:37Joe Rogan?

  She got killed by coyotes.

• 3:10:38Speaker 02

  She got killed by a pack of coyotes.

• 3:10:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:10:40Speaker 02

  She was out running with her Walkman on and.

• 3:10:42Joe Rogan?

  She was like a promising folk singer.

• 3:10:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:10:46Joe Rogan?

  They said that those coyotes were unusual because they were used to killing moose.

• 3:10:51Speaker 02

  Moose?

• 3:10:51Joe Rogan?

  Killing moose. Yeah, the coyotes would literally, they were going after bigger game because there wasn't a lot of game there. So they were used to packing together and like taking out the moose by like attacking their legs.

• 3:11:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:11:02Joe Rogan?

  Cut, keep cutting at their legs.

• 3:11:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're Achilles. Wow, I've never heard of coyotes taking out a moose. That's wild.

• 3:11:09Joe Rogan?

  We, we looked it up on the show. Like, this was a very unusual area.

• 3:11:12Speaker 02

  Strange, yeah.

• 3:11:13Joe Rogan?

  And it's one of the reasons why they think these coyotes killed this girl. And she wasn't big. She was small.

• 3:11:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, she was out jogging, yeah.

• 3:11:20Joe Rogan?

  But that's the thing, man. They, they, they don't have rules. They don't like, well, we don't fuck with people and people don't fuck with us. But the orcas seem to, they seem to understand what we are. They've saved people. Even out in the wild, like people that fell overboard, they've saved them.

• 3:11:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, isn't it strange that such a, probably the top predator in the sea next to the sperm whale. The killer whale could take whatever it wants.

• 3:11:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:11:46Speaker 02

  And somehow instinctively, it leaves humans alone. I don't really understand it, and that's why I talk about sort of the programming of nature to step around humans somehow. Cause it doesn't make sense. Humans look like seals, with the same body shape, the same weight, pretty much, and yet orcas, there's no documented kill of a human by an orca.

• 3:12:11Joe Rogan?

  I know. Other than SeaWorlds.

• 3:12:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're so smart, and their brains are huge. They have huge brains. We just equate intelligence with your ability to manipulate your environment. Like, so they don't have a house, they don't have cell phones. They must be idiots. But we don't know, and they clearly understand that we're different than everything else.

• 3:12:30Speaker 02

  But that's what I mean. All, I think all the critters do.

• 3:12:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, we are.

• 3:12:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12:35Joe Rogan?

  Show some respect, bitch. We're the ones with the guns.

• 3:12:37Speaker 02

  Uh, it's biatch.

• 3:12:39Joe Rogan?

  Biatch.

• 3:12:40Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 3:12:41Joe Rogan?

  I mean, look, we both love animals.

• 3:12:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12:45Joe Rogan?

  I know you love animals. I love animals too. I just love people more.

• 3:12:48Speaker 02

  I love people the same, but if it came to deciding whether we left Earth with humans or animals, I'll be honest, this'll sound mean, I'd, I'd give it to the animals.

• 3:13:01Joe Rogan?

  Why?

• 3:13:03Speaker 02

  Cause they don't know cruelty.

• 3:13:05Joe Rogan?

  That's untrue.

• 3:13:06Speaker 02

  They don't know malice.

• 3:13:08Joe Rogan?

  Do you know, just listen, you're saying, you're talking crazy talk. Do you know how bears kill things? They just eat them. They hold them down, they eat them. They don't even kill them first.

• 3:13:17Speaker 02

  But it's not, it's not from cruelty, it's for survival.

• 3:13:21Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't matter.

• 3:13:21Speaker 02

  Humans are cruel. Have you heard of Hiroshima?

• 3:13:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I have. That was probably less cruel than a bear eating you asshole first.

• 3:13:28Speaker 02

  No, but there's no intent with a animal.

• 3:13:32Joe Rogan?

  They're just trying to eat you.

• 3:13:33Speaker 02

  An animal doesn't have intent.

• 3:13:35Joe Rogan?

  Right, but the end result's still the same. If you, you were getting eaten asshole first by a grizzly bear, you're not thinking, well, he doesn't have intent to be cruel. This is just how he eats me. Asshole first is his favorite way to go.

• 3:13:46Speaker 02

  But he has to eat you, he can't go to the grocery store.

• 3:13:48Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't have to eat you, he could kill you first and then eat you like a cat does.

• 3:13:51Speaker 02

  But he doesn't know how. He doesn't realize he's being cruel. We do.

• 3:13:55Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, he doesn't care.

• 3:13:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:13:57Joe Rogan?

  It's not that he doesn't know how. He could definitely kill you. If you were a bear and they were fighting, he would grab you by the neck and he would kill you, like they try to kill each other. But when they eat you, they're not, they just don't care.

• 3:14:08Speaker 02

  Right. Well, that's what I mean, there's no malice. Whereas humans.

• 3:16:23Speaker 02

  Can we get Arby's for lunch? Like, why don't they ever ask for anything?

• 3:16:27Joe Rogan?

  They don't ask.

• 3:16:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, well, wait, did, did, um, you know what? That's not true.

• 3:16:33Joe Rogan?

  How so?

• 3:16:33Speaker 02

  Coco, the gorilla, he would ask for affection. He would ask for love and hugs. I think there's a-

• 3:16:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, but that's a request. That's not a question. Like, why am I here?

• 3:16:47Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 3:16:48Joe Rogan?

  What is this building?

• 3:16:48Speaker 02

  You're talking more of a philosophical question.

• 3:16:51Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm talking about having actual curiosity about like its environment.

• 3:16:55Speaker 02

  Right, I understand.

• 3:16:56Joe Rogan?

  Why is your skin white and mine is not?

• 3:16:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're just not aware.

• 3:16:59Joe Rogan?

  How come you don't walk on your hands? You know, there's no, you know what I mean? Like, what we call intelligence is very compartmentalized, it's very boxed in in comparison to our intelligence. We have the intelligence to understand this thing probably doesn't like being in the cage. They don't think that way.

• 3:17:15Speaker 02

  No. Do you believe in the concept of a missing link? Like, something in between Homo erectus and Neanderthal and then us, modern day? Is there, do you think there's a missing creature?

• 3:17:28Joe Rogan?

  I think, first of all, the real problem is, what's the evidence in terms of the fossil record? It's very incomplete.

• 3:17:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:17:35Joe Rogan?

  Because it's hard to get fossils.

• 3:17:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:17:37Joe Rogan?

  Like, for someone to leave a fossil behind, you have to die in mud or it's been in specific conditions. So, most animals that die, I think, we looked it up before, it's like 99% are never gonna leave a fossil.

• 3:17:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:17:51Joe Rogan?

  So, when they find things like Denisovans, so the Denisovans, I think they found in the 2010s or something like that. When did they find them? Was it more recently than that? Maybe it was more recently than that. So, they just found like a tooth and a finger. And then, and then they start finding bones. They're like, hey, this is not like a normal human tooth. This is not like a normal human bone. And then they do DNA tests on them and then they go, oh, this is different. This is a different type of human. So, there's humans that lived alongside humans that we just found out about 10 years ago.

• 3:18:25Speaker 02

  Huh.

• 3:18:26Joe Rogan?

  So, how many versions of, from ancient hominid to modern Homo sapien? How many versions were there that we have evidence of? That's what we don't know.

• 3:18:36Speaker 02

  What's the Homo missing?

• 3:18:38Joe Rogan?

  Here it is. Michael Shonkov of the Russian Academy of Sciences and other Russian archaeologists-

• 3:18:44Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 3:18:45Joe Rogan?

  What happened?

• 3:18:46Speaker 02

  We just got scrolled, player.

• 3:18:47Joe Rogan?

  What did that? That was weird.

• 3:18:49Speaker 02

  We're getting scrolled.

• 3:18:50Joe Rogan?

  What did it just do? That was so weird. That was so weird. It's like, it's like they didn't want us reading this out loud.

• 3:18:56Speaker 02

  What's the homo we're missing?

• 3:18:58Joe Rogan?

  Uh, that's a good question. So, um, archaeologists from the Institute of Archaeology and Ethnography, the Siberian branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Novosibirsk Akademgorodok, investigated the cave and found a finger of a juvenile female hominid, originally dated from 50 to 30,000 years ago.

• 3:19:21Speaker 02

  Huh.

• 3:19:21Joe Rogan?

  And then the estimate was changed to 76,000 to 51,000 years ago. Specimen was originally named Ex-Woman. So anyway, um, the whole thing is they found that this is, go back to that again. Um, a novel ancient hominid genetically distinct from both contemporary and modern humans and from Neanderthals. So they knew from that that it's a new kind of human. And that's just 2008. So this is 18 years ago, they found that. So who knows how many ones they could find if they kept, if you had, there's a limited amount of archaeologists that are doing this kind of work. Imagine if you had thousands and thousands of them scouring Asia, scouring Africa, looking.

• 3:20:06Joe Rogan?

  There's probably a bunch more that we haven't discovered.

• 3:20:08Speaker 02

  Oh, definitely.

• 3:20:10Joe Rogan?

  So this idea of the missing link, I'm not sure if that's accurate.

• 3:20:12Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:20:13Joe Rogan?

  But then the question is-

• 3:20:14Speaker 02

  I'm glad you said that because it, it sort of illumined, illuminated me a little too. I hadn't thought of it in those terms.

• 3:20:22Joe Rogan?

  2008, a Taiwanese citizen purchased a fossil Homo mandible dredged from the seafloor of the Taiwan Strait from an antique shop and donated to Taiwan's National Museum of the National Science. Uh, attempts to extract the DNA were unsuccessful, but in 2025, protein analysis of the specimen designated Pengu 1 was published showing that it belonged to a male Denisovan.

• 3:20:45Speaker 03

  Was this in a shop?

• 3:20:46Speaker 02

  A lovely missing link was in an antique shop.

• 3:20:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's how they found Gigantopithecus too. They found-

• 3:20:52Speaker 02

  I like that old lamp. I'll take that plate and how about historic missing link? How much is that? The hell?

• 3:21:00Joe Rogan?

  I think it's just a different kind of person.

• 3:21:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:21:02Joe Rogan?

  You know, and then...

• 3:21:03Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 3:21:04Joe Rogan?

  If they kept finding more of them, maybe we'd have a better understanding of like what we're talking about. But there's a giant leap, that's for sure.

• 3:21:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:21:12Joe Rogan?

  It's the biggest mystery in the entire fossil record is the doubling of the human brain size over a period of 2 million years. It's a nutty, nutty thing that happened. All of a sudden our brains grew.

• 3:21:22Speaker 02

  Well, what's interesting to me too is that you, you do have some fossilized remains that are very, very, very old that date back to, you know, caveman era stuff. And then we have stuff closer to what we just looked at, but there's that, that one transitional, where you'd think there'd be a transitional creature that they can't seem to find.

• 3:21:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, they might find it.

• 3:21:45Speaker 02

  They might. I hope they do.

• 3:21:46Joe Rogan?

  I think some of these are getting closer. They don't have like a lot of Denisovan bones. But there's gonna be a few more that they find, I'm sure, if they keep looking. I bet there was probably a bunch of different kinds of humans. The question is like, why did we succeed? And why, why are we so much smarter than all the rest of them?

• 3:22:02Speaker 02

  We should go antiquing this weekend, see what we can dig up.

• 3:22:06Joe Rogan?

  I don't think it's that way.

• 3:22:07Speaker 02

  Well, according to that, missing links in an antique shop.

• 3:22:11Joe Rogan?

  In China, right? It was a long time ago.

• 3:22:13Speaker 02

  I don't care if they bought china or pottery, I just let's go in.

• 3:22:18Joe Rogan?

  I gotta wrap this up, buddy.

• 3:22:20Speaker 02

  Buddy.

• 3:22:21Joe Rogan?

  Always good to see you, brother.

• 3:22:22Speaker 02

  Great to see you. Thanks for having me, man.

• 3:22:23Joe Rogan?

  Thank you for being here. Uh, Wingman, it's, is it available? Streaming is available everywhere?

• 3:22:28Speaker 02

  It's only streaming, uh, on Apple and Amazon Prime right now, all over the world. And then in Canada, we will start streaming the end of June and they might even do, uh, 60 to 90 theaters up there. So we're excited. Yeah.

• 3:22:42Joe Rogan?

  Fuck yeah, dude.

• 3:22:43Speaker 02

  Wingman, yeah.

• 3:22:44Joe Rogan?

  And good luck with the Tony one, too. That sounds fun.

• 3:22:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, and hopefully maybe we'll see you there.

• 3:22:48Joe Rogan?

  Hopefully maybe.

• 3:22:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:22:49Joe Rogan?

  And congratulations on guest of the year. That's awesome also.

• 3:22:52Speaker 02

  Oh, that was, that was...

• 3:22:53Joe Rogan?

  Last year?

• 3:22:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was last year. Thank you, buddy. Great to see you. Love you, man.

• 3:22:57Joe Rogan?

  Love you too, brother. Alright, bye, everybody.

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