Why AI Matters w/ Emad Mostaque | EP #52

In this episode, Peter and Emad discuss the AI revolution, Stability AI as a key player, and how AI and humanity will intertwine. 11:03 | Technology Transforming Creativity 17:01 | Revolutionize Education Through Innovation 23:08 | AI for All: A Human Right Emad Mostaque is the CEO and Co-Founder of Stability AI, a company funding the development of open-source music- and image-generating systems such as Dance Diffusion and Stable Diffusion. Check out Stability AI’s latest release: SDXL 0.9 _____________ I send weekly emails with the latest insights and trends on today’s and tomorrow’s exponential technologies. Stay ahead of the curve, and sign up now: Tech Blog _____________ Connect With Peter: Twitter Instagram Youtube Moonshots and Mindsets Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:02Speaker 00

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• 0:30Speaker 01

  By next year, end of the year, I believe you'll have ChatGPT on your mobile phone. Say that one more time. By the end of next year, you'll have ChatGPT on your mobile phone without internet.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  Today, the world changes. This is a regime change. Four of the top 10 app store apps in December were based on stable diffusion. Forty-one percent of all code on GitHub right now is AI-generated. We have figured out how to make humans scale. So you have this amazing thing that can create anything. How far out are you able to see? Can you have a sense of predicting where we are in 10 years? I can't see past ideas. There's enough fear, and some of it is deserved, but there also needs to be hope. Humans are humans. Bring them the information that creates the most value, and you will change the world.

• 1:16Peter Diamandis?

  I'm excited to share with you one of the most extraordinary conversations I had at this year's Annual Abundance 360 Summit. It was with a friend, someone I've had on this podcast before, Imad Mustak, who's the founder and CEO of Stability AI. You know his company from a number of his products, including Stable Diffusion. We sat down to talk about his moonshots, to talk about how generative AI is changing the world. What do you do if you're a 20-year-old just getting involved? Or if you're a seasoned CEO or entrepreneur? And how is this going to change the world of Hollywood, education, healthcare? You know, it was an incredible conversation. I'm excited for you to hear.

• 1:59Peter Diamandis?

  You know, my mission through this podcast is to help you hear the voices that are filled with optimism and abundance. If that's of interest to you, then please subscribe to this podcast. All right, enjoy the episode. By the end of this episode, you should have a pretty good idea where you stand on AI. Are you excited about it? Are you fearful of it? I'd love to know. Feel free to share your stance with me on Twitter. Hey pal.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  Hey, how's it going buddy?

• 2:25Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, listen, I know you have so much going on right now. Uh, it's insane. We're in the midst of the most extraordinary period of, of technology ever, and you're in the thick of it.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think, what's it, a good phrase is everything everywhere all at once?

• 2:42Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  That's basically what it is.

• 2:45Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, I can't mention the conversations he's been having the last thirty minutes, but it would blow your mind. Uh, I'm gonna give you this clicker. You have some, uh, some slides to show. You know, I think the very first, uh, question to ask is if you were gonna sort of bring people up to speed on, on where we are right now, would you share some of what your thoughts are here?

• 3:07Speaker 01

  We have figured out how to make humans scale.

• 3:10Peter Diamandis?

  How do you make humans scale?

• 3:12Speaker 01

  That's the most difficult thing. Um, basically classical AI was all about taking stuff and extrapolating it. We figured out how to figure out principles and latent knowledge with huge compression in these files, as we'll talk about in a bit. Like, the most valuable thing you can have is a good EA or a really good analyst.

• 3:31Peter Diamandis?

  I have asked her, she's amazing.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  Makes such a difference. I'm sure all of you in this audience realize that, right? We now have that. Basically, what we've done is we've trained these things on large amounts, like huge amounts of data to understand principles. And now when you use a GPT-4, it's like a really talented intern analyst with a bad memory, and we're about to fix the memory. And it knows how to pass the medical bar exam, medical licensing and others. It knows how to draw beautiful pictures or create audio of any type. And it's basically available to everyone for pennies. And so we're trying to think, what does that mean? It can mean huge disruption, or it can mean basically we're at the point of utopia and abundance.

• 4:10Peter Diamandis?

  So, if you don't mind, I'd like, people know stable diffusion, and you'll show them the chart that really rocked me when I first saw it. Uh, but what are the wide range of things that Stability AI, uh, is working on right now? Where do you wanna go?

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Um, are...

• 4:28Peter Diamandis?

  That you can tell us about, please.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  No, I can tell you, basically my aim is to provide the building blocks for a society OS. Every part of society, if you have skilled experts in them...

• 4:41Speaker 01

  Our mission is to build the foundation to activate humanity's potential. And across every single modality, we're building models. So audio, video, protein folding, DNA, chemical reactions, language and others. We're doing it for every sector. So you've got a banker GPT, a board GPT to replace all your crap board members. You know, all the way down to national models. So we're doing an Indian national model at the moment, an Indonesian one, a Japanese one. So that everyone can have a file that they put words in. And images, audio, text, anything pops out that's appropriate to you to enhance you.

• 5:15Peter Diamandis?

  So I wanna, I wanna click on that one because it's very important. People talk about biases in the system. But what you're talking about is creating what you're calling a foundational model. That is biased to you or to your company or your country. Yes?

• 5:32Speaker 01

  The existing internet has centralized artificial intelligence that guides our attention, our memorization, where we go. With this technology, we can push internet intelligence to the edge. So every single person, country, culture, company can have their own AIs. And that's an amazing thing because it can work for you, not against you. And so that's the personalization because what is bias, right? There are inherent biases in our society and things. We can never move fast on this thing. We can't move fast enough to address them. But then what if you could have your own stories? So everyone here has a story. You're members of A360. You believe in abundance, you know? There's a whole variety of things that make us who we are. Have the AI respond to your own story and work for you. I think that's the intelligent internet and that's the amazing future we have coming.

• 6:17Peter Diamandis?

  That is, and you built Stability AI as an open platform.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:22Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, which is very different from everybody else.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 6:25Peter Diamandis?

  I mean, uh, it's interesting, right? OpenAI has that name. And very funny, if you go to openai.com. It doesn't go to OpenAI, it goes to Stable.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  Well, actually, open.ai here.

• 6:35Peter Diamandis?

  Open.ai, sorry.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:37Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, which is pretty funny. So.

• 6:41Peter Diamandis?

  And appropriate because you are the open AI platform.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  We are. I mean, actually, openai.com also works. But yeah, I mean, basically where we were was that we had this explosion of like research. Look at this is again exponential, literal exponential of the amount of ML research that occurred. And we were like, let's build a generalized intelligence. When OpenAI and others started, we didn't know how to do it. And then we found this one thing called a transformer that pays attention to the important things like you guys are paying attention to the important things that we're saying right now, as opposed to just treating everything the same. And it figured out that we could scale it with these GPUs, gigantic supercomputers. They didn't even know exactly how to do it. So they just kept on adding more and more supercomputers. And we've got a lot like our supercomputer is 10 times faster than NASA's, right? Our new supercomputer is 10 times faster than that, which is again exponential.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  But then they thought this solves everything, scale solves everything. But have you ever seen a generalized system that outperforms a specialized system? No. But that means you have to give people the tools to make it a specialized system. You're never going to send all your internal company data to ChatGPT or GPT-4.

• 7:47Peter Diamandis?

  So that's an interesting point. And I don't know if I heard it from you or elsewhere, where some of the banks and large corporations are not sending their data and allowing employees to use ChatGPT. They don't want Microsoft having access to it. So what's the alternative? How do you, how do you go around that?

• 8:04Speaker 01

  We have the most popular language models in the world, GPTJ, Neon X, 25 million downloads. And we're about to release our next generation open source models. Again, base models, and then you'll have the banker board versions, Indian versions.

• 8:15Peter Diamandis?

  So I get to use it on my own system that no one else has access to.

• 8:19Speaker 01

  You get to go, is it via Amazon, Google, Intel, anyone on prem in your cloud, you own it. Again, it's like you basically, it's like actually one thing. It's like, again, these are like very talented analysts.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  Getting an analyst onto Conment from Microsoft, he goes back to Microsoft versus hiring your own analyst. Right, these are the two modalities. So you'll have these big private proprietary models where results are secret sourced, and you have these open interpretable models where you see how the cookie is made, as it were, that you own. And I think the latter is far more powerful than the former because you don't need a model that does everything then. You give people the tools they need and the ownership to create their own experiences and accelerate themselves.

• 9:02Peter Diamandis?

  Let me ask you, you know, we're all here to understand where this is going. How far out are you able to see? Can you have a sense of predicting where we are in ten years, five years?

• 9:13Speaker 01

  I can't see past five years.

• 9:14Peter Diamandis?

  You can't see past five years?

• 9:16Speaker 01

  No, because by next year, end of the year, I believe you'll have ChatGPT on your mobile phone.

• 9:20Peter Diamandis?

  Say that one more time?

• 9:21Speaker 01

  By the end of next year, you'll have ChatGPT on your mobile phone without internet.

• 9:25Peter Diamandis?

  Wow, so we're talking about, so yeah?

• 9:30Peter Diamandis?

  Is it a chat, a stability chat, right?

• 9:32Speaker 01

  Yes, stable chat.

• 9:33Peter Diamandis?

  Stable chat.

• 9:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, I guess.

• 9:34Peter Diamandis?

  Let's name it properly.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:36Peter Diamandis?

  So incredible because you've talked about taking how many terabytes of data down to a couple of gigabytes?

• 9:42Speaker 01

  So like, actually, this is probably one thing that I wanted to talk about quickly.

• 9:47Peter Diamandis?

  Please, yeah.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  The easiest way for us to communicate has been speech, is what we're doing now. Text has been harder, but you've seen with ChatGPT, it's not easy. You just ask it to rewrite your kind of emails and with Office 365 and Workspace, they'll do that. And visual was the hardest. These have all been flattened by this technology now, so we can communicate anything. But the technology behind it, as you said, was a bit crazy. To do this, what we did, so stable diffusion was our text-to-image model. We were like, do we do it big and do loads of layers or do we make it accessible? And we were like, accessible. So we worked super hard Manhattan project and we took a hundred thousand gigabytes of images, two billion, and created a two gigabyte file that can generate anything.

• 10:25Peter Diamandis?

  Okay, let's let's slow that down because the meaning of that is is insane. How many terabytes was it?

• 10:32Speaker 01

  It was not quite, well, a hundred terabytes.

• 10:34Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  One hundred thousand gigabytes and the output was a two gigabyte file that can create anything.

• 10:41Peter Diamandis?

  And that two gigabytes is, you know? Sits on your phone, your laptop, in your brain.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  It was the whole stack. So intelligence is compression. You're gonna go away from this event and you're gonna compress the things that you learn and have tea takeaways, right? That's what we do and that's what these machines do now. But again, it's a single file. Four of the top ten App Store apps in December were based on stable diffusion. And it was the entire stack. A single file of weights, of numbers.

• 11:10Peter Diamandis?

  That's extraordinary.

• 11:12Speaker 01

  Words go in, images come out. And it's the same. ChatGPT is a single file. Actually, it's a couple of files, but this is a single file. Words go in. Code comes out. Amazing essays come out. So this is something a bit different. And again, it's like, again, you've taught an analyst just about everything. Or as an artist, the analyst and things like that. I think we'll get it down to a hundred megabytes.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  And it went insane because we made it like that. So this is.

• 11:39Peter Diamandis?

  This is what you texted me and I said, huh?

• 11:42Speaker 01

  So, um.

• 11:43Peter Diamandis?

  What did it?

• 11:44Speaker 01

  You know, a lot of us were doing Web three and we were all like developers. Developers are cool, right? Uh, in three months, we overtook Bitcoin and Ethereum and developer popularity.

• 11:53Peter Diamandis?

  So on, on the bottom here is the years and on the axis, on the Y axis here is the number of uh GitHub developers.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  GitHub stars, yeah. Developers who love it.

• 12:05Peter Diamandis?

  And so when I, when you sent me that, I thought that was the axis line.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. So cumulatively, the whole ecosystem built around this thing, which was a bit like a game engine, has overtaken Linux. Again, Linux twenty years, this five months. Because we gave it to everyone and it runs on your MacBook, on your iPhone without internet.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  So you have this amazing thing that can create anything. And I think that's profound, right? Like.

• 12:32Peter Diamandis?

  So we've seen, uh, this, it's profound and deep.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:36Peter Diamandis?

  And we've seen the speed just explode. Uh, can we expect it to get faster and faster?

• 12:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think you can. So look, words go in, images come out. A lot of you have kind of seen this. You can generate anything. But since the release in August, we sped up a hundred times.

• 12:51Peter Diamandis?

  Wow.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  We've gone from six seconds an image to sixty images a second. And the quality has improved and basically the next version is photorealistic.

• 12:59Peter Diamandis?

  So sixty images per second is like video.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, we pretty much got video.

• 13:04Peter Diamandis?

  So my question is, is Hollywood scared shitless or are they excited?

• 13:08Speaker 01

  They're scared. It's a mixture. There's a few people who are scared shitless and we'll talk about some of the stuff coming down the pipeline later. Because you know, Peter and I had a discussion, like, should we scare everyone shitless completely? Or should we kind of do hope? And so I'm going to do hope, actually. I think I'm going to focus on this. This is the most disruptive thing ever because, again, humans can scale, so you don't need as many humans. There was an MIT study, I think, I'll send it to you, which just came out. It showed that basically the third to the seventh decile got like thirty percent better. The top five percent got orders of magnitude better or multiples better with this technology. And so it lifts humanity and the ability to communicate and do things.

• 13:44Peter Diamandis?

  So this is the hopeful future that we share and the abundance mindset.

• 13:51Peter Diamandis?

  That I think is really important for people to take away. There's enough fear and some of it is deserved. But there also needs to be hope.

• 13:58Speaker 01

  I think, I think we always have to look at the unchanging between versus the inevitable. So an inevitable is forty-one percent of all code on GitHub right now is AI-generated.

• 14:07Peter Diamandis?

  Wow.

• 14:08Speaker 01

  To six months. ChatGPT can pass a glue level three programmer exam and it will run pretty much on a MacBook or.

• 14:16Peter Diamandis?

  And that's this year?

• 14:17Speaker 01

  This year, right now.

• 14:18Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  There are no programmers in five years.

• 14:21Peter Diamandis?

  No programmers in five years. So those of you with kids who you were having, you know, with Python lessons and so forth. Maybe it's instead helping them to understand how to ask great questions or give great directions or prompts.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, like with this, this is a technological marvel that we sped up a hundred times. Because we have amazing developers and we have communities of hundreds of thousands. I went to GPT-4 and I said, "Help me write some code to change the nature of inference to something called int eight to int four." Which is only a year old, so it's not in the dataset. And it figured it out and it worked.

• 14:55Peter Diamandis?

  Figured it out. Awesome.

• 14:56Speaker 01

  Straight out. I asked it to create asteroids in D3.

• 14:59Peter Diamandis?

  I love asteroids.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  With a high school thing, yeah. And I copy pasted it, it worked, the game straight out. So again, we have to kind of think about this and we have to think, but what can you do? Well, the answer is you can do anything now. Because a lot of the stuff that blocked you isn't there anymore. Any of you can now be creative. Any of you can now build systems. And so you build the systems that adhere to the unchanging demands of people to make their lives better. And that's value and they'll pay you for that value.

• 15:26Peter Diamandis?

  We're all creators and we're in fact all we had Will I Am last night at our our patron dinner. Who's this this incredible creative energy across all modalities. And all of a sudden, you're not restricted by what you learned in school. You can bring the best to anything you desire.

• 15:45Speaker 01

  It's the best anything's done. You can control it. So you can just say like, you know, take something and change it to its original form, you know, like this, you know.

• 15:52Peter Diamandis?

  From mindset to materialization. Which version of you do you like best?

• 15:56Speaker 01

  I don't know. Exactly. And this is just with words. So there's no more prompts. I just say, I want to change it to this or that. And it happens instantly now with a new version. You know, you can say, let's do dynamic adaptation again. It happens in one second. You generate all of these variants, you know. And you don't need those prompts. People say like, there's all these magical spells. You don't say that. You say, I want to turn Woody into a still from a Western, right? Or replace a fruit with cake. So it also becomes more natural. What are interfaces in the future? Interfaces are nothing. It's all about human extension. And it's about information theory is at the core of all computer science. Information is valuable in as much as it changes the state. Now we finally have a friend to be with us all the time

• 16:40Speaker 01

  that can bring us the most valuable information and the most valuable state changes.

• 16:44Peter Diamandis?

  You're a 20 year old on our Zoom audience here or in the room or 23 year old. And you're trying to decide what to do now. What is your advice?

• 16:54Speaker 01

  You just throw yourself 100% into this. It's the biggest change in society ever. It'll be more disruptive than the pandemic in the next year or two. And I led the United Nations AI Initiative Against COVID-19 kayak, you know, helping organize the world's COVID knowledge and making it accessible and useful. So I saw that coming. It'll be for positive and negative. Because you can do things that could never be heard of. As an example. We have an upscaler. It goes from one to eight pixels to four K in one point five seconds.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  Back to that.

• 17:25Peter Diamandis?

  That's amazing.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  What can you do with that? This is the thing. You are given now the recipes and tools. What can you do? So there's gonna be a thousand companies spending ten million dollars each this year. I spoke to one of the big four accounting firms. They were like, do we need auditors anymore? I'm like, probably not as many.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  Alright, and then they said, okay, we're gonna spend three hundred million dollars in the next two quarters trying to figure this out.

• 17:49Peter Diamandis?

  But that's times many, many firms.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Everything everywhere all at once. And again, this is the nomadicness. We've seen this type of thing happen like with the Silicon Valley Bank collapse.

• 17:58Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  Our society is becoming more and more connected and we've talked about expert system. I mean, how long have we talked about expert systems for?

• 18:04Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, a bit.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  Yonks. They're here now, right? And again, this is why you can do these crazy things. Like, why don't you create your own studio? So, how do we play this?

• 18:15Peter Diamandis?

  Can we play this video? You speak and magically happens.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  Play. Ha ha ha. This is a video, rock, paper, scissors, that was done using our technology by two guys in like four days. And it's a whole seven minute video at this level of quality.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  That's all you need. So why not create amazing kind of videos and things like that?

• 18:35Peter Diamandis?

  But we're gonna get to a point soon enough, and I'll ask for your prediction, where I can say, I want a movie about this theme, ninety minutes long, starring my favorite stars. How, when do we see that personalized movie?

• 18:49Speaker 01

  I think you get there in the next couple of years. Like, rock, paper, scissors two, again, look it up on Google, will be five times as fast. The next version will be fully generated by putting a script in. I mean, like this one, if you press play, and it automatically generates a lead music lyric video. It's unfortunate we don't have sound. Uh, but you can go on Deep Floyd AI on Twitter and see it. Automatically generated kind of this music lyric video. You know, just from a song input with the entire kind of style of this as well.

• 19:17Peter Diamandis?

  So everyone here is a filmmaker, everyone, I mean, for me, we have a common passion in disrupting and reinventing education.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:23Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, where I can have in a virtual world, I learn about anything I want, a time machine to go and have my favorite, you know, characters teaching me about what, anything I need. Um, and that's two years away.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, that actually might be here right now. I mean, again, kind of you've seen glasses, three, three D displays and all sorts of crazy things. But one of the things with this is contextualization, because again, we are the stories we make. So one of the things we're working on that's quite fun is, can you make, remake Game of Thrones as a J drama from Korea? So you input and the characters turn Korean, right?

• 19:59Peter Diamandis?

  Wow.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  I'm also trying to get George R R Martin and HBO to let me remake Game of Thrones, season eight, because it was terrible. Uh, uh, yeah. And actually, it's very interesting why, because Game of Thrones, season one to seven, everyone had agency and the meaning was in the interaction between our stories of the characters. Whereas the last one tried to get us to an ending and so it felt so disjointed. So I'm like, I'll help you write your book. We have the script writing AI coming out and a book writing AI coming out. And so we can tell better stories that are more empathetic and engaging. Cause again, this is more engaging for the thing. You can customize your thing everywhere. You can customize to every learner. How crazy is that?

• 20:36Peter Diamandis?

  Everywhere all at once, showing you a theme. Emad, yeah, let's imagine you're in the audience here, you're a business owner, uh, entrepreneur, CEO, and, uh, what do you do next?

• 20:50Speaker 01

  I think what you have to do next, again, it's kind of what you said, you need to have a dedicated, there's nothing more important in your entire business than this.

• 20:56Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah. So I want to echo that, right? Today, the world changes. Electricity is made available, the telephone is made available, the internet's made available, and this is all of those things together.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  All at once everywhere. Yeah, this is five G. This is bigger than five G. Over a trillion dollars went to five G. More will go into here. Actually, I'll give you an example because again, it's always the unchanging versus the inevitable, right? I gave the whole of Stability AI the week off at the end of the year because I was like, holy crap, you're doing a lot, right? Because we have everything, right? And we do it with, we only have one hundred and fifty people. Yet we do every modality because we have the power of community and open behind us. Setting the standard. So I give the whole team the week off, said, go to sleep, turned off all the things. Because you're all gonna die if you don't get some rest. So of course, business side have covered that. Stability AI CEO Ahmad Mostak, competitive to OpenAI, says you're all going to die in twenty twenty three.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Imagine, we might remake press as well. What can I say? Um, but then what happened is, you know, I was just chilling and I got like five calls from headmasters of UK schools. Ahmad, what's our generative AI strategy? What? All our children are using ChatGPT to do their homework essays. I was like, don't set homework essays, get good. So again, homework is never the same for every teacher all at once. And so you have to look at your industry and again, what will not be the same when you have the ability to scale humans? Yeah. This is the question that you have to ask yourself, like an Eton now, Bastion of British education. They do their essays live by hand. Because I told them to do that because I went to Westminster, who I told to embrace the technology.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  A bit of rivalry, right? So again, it says, Peter says, there'll only be companies that embrace it and those who don't. Um, I think the way that it pans out, because I was a hedge fund manager, invested tens of billions of dollars, you know, like I understand markets as well. Is that if you are in something that's a SaaS company, you're gonna have to really think hard because um, GPT four, for example, and again, we'll have our equivalent of that, but we're taking a different approach of swarm intelligence versus general. Has a thirty two thousand token context window, which means you can feed it twenty thousand words of instructions. Well, what is OpenAI at right now? That's their one, GPT four, the one that they do. OpenAI is the best language. Well, you should use OpenAI. And you should use our models coming up as well, private data and general data, hybrid AI.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  You know, um, but that means you can basically tell it all of HR instructions for something like Workday. What does Workday do then? Because it can be replaced by a single two hundred megabyte file.

• 23:32Peter Diamandis?

  Which you can query on your laptop or your phone.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, eventually, but not now. But it doesn't matter. It costs like two dollars for query, right?

• 23:38Peter Diamandis?

  Right.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  I mean, it's insane. So but then you have to think, if you're in a regulated industry, you have supernormal margins. You know, if you're in a creative industry, again, you can basically either embrace it to have higher revenue, cheaper costs or not. Like I give you an example, one of our movie directors um did a film, or actually I can't give you an example. Let's just say millions of dollars are being saved at the moment using this technology. And again, you just have to really think through it.

• 24:04Peter Diamandis?

  So going back to our going back to our audience here who, you know, use technology but don't have AI embedded in their DNA. Uh, I've shared the idea of having a chief AI officer who's really a strategist for you because you're not building your own AIs. You're deciding which platforms to use, right?

• 24:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. And again, a fair few companies will build their own AI. So I think it'll just be Google, Microsoft, OpenAI and us that build the foundation models that everyone uses. You don't need to. Because again, it's like we're the universities churning out the most amazing graduates effectively. You know, some of them you can borrow and they're specialized by those guys and some of them you can hire yourself through your GPUs or kind of whatever. My suggestion is that that keep what's the key, but the thing is, how do you find that person?

• 24:51Peter Diamandis?

  Hmm.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  You know, and until they're an AI, no, but how do you find that person?

• 24:54Peter Diamandis?

  Advice?

• 24:55Speaker 01

  The advice is you need to first find someone who's passionate about this because it's so new. So one of the things that makes us different is that we're a community-based organization. We came out of a community. So we have developers. One of them was an Amazon warehouse worker last year and taught himself how to code.

• 25:09Peter Diamandis?

  Nice.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  Another one's a nineteen-year-old, fifty-year PhD with three graduate degrees, you know?

• 25:14Peter Diamandis?

  Clear, it's not going to be the person who is traditionally the person you would think about. It is driven by passion.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  It's driven by passion. Everyone here understands the importance of passion.

• 25:23Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 25:23Speaker 01

  And passion is what you need for this because this is a regime change. It is not more of what came before. So you have to throw yourself in it and have that flexibility of mind. And the key thing is, can it bring you what the next thing is for your industry, you know?

• 25:38Peter Diamandis?

  Hey everybody, this is Peter. A quick break from the episode. I'm a firm believer that science and technology and how entrepreneurs can change the world is the only real news out there worth consuming. I don't watch the crisis news network. I call CNN or Fox and hear every devastating piece of news on the planet. I spend my time training my neural net, the way I see the world, by looking at the incredible breakthroughs in science and technology, how entrepreneurs are solving the world's grand challenges, what the breakthroughs are in longevity, how exponential technologies are transforming our world. So twice a week, I put out a blog.

• 26:17Peter Diamandis?

  One blog is looking at the future of longevity, age reversal, biotech, increasing your health span. The other blog looks at exponential technologies, AI, 3D printing, synthetic biology, AR, VR, blockchain. These technologies are transforming what you as an entrepreneur can do. If this is the kind of news you want to learn about and shape your neural nets with, go to demandis.com/blog and learn more. Now, back to the episode. We share a moonshot in education. I've had the ability to support to some degree what you're doing. Just chat one second about your vision on Malawi.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, you know, X Prize for Learning, fantastic prize by Tony, who's here next week, tomorrow, I think, and then Elon Musk. The first app that could teach literacy and numeracy in 18 months without internet. We've been deploying that into refugee camps, the winner of that, all around the world, from Rohingya to Malawi to Kenya, and we're teaching 76% of kids literacy and numeracy in one hour a day in 13 months, in the worst places in the world with adaptive learning.

• 27:23Peter Diamandis?

  Let's give it up for this. That's been the core of Ahmad's passion and moonshot, but he's taking it a step further.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  Taking it a step further because by doing that, this is without this AI. So we work with the Malawian government as the first example. We're feeding 30% of all the kids in Malawi. We're going to go to 100% and give every child in Malawi their own AI. I want to call it one AI per child, but I've been told not to. And that's kind of with our charity, Imagine Worldwide. But then we've built a special type of bond with the World Bank and UBS whereby you put down $20 million, you only pay if a million kids are provably educated. And so we're going to use that and the World Bank pays upfront and then you can have it in your pension fund and see how a million kids are doing. We're going to use that to scale these tablets, plus high-speed internet in every school, to every child across Africa. Nine out of ten kids in Africa cannot read and write a sentence by the age of ten.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  What happens when they all have their own AI that works for them, that's as intelligent as ChatGPT, and healthcare on that tablet?

• 28:26Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 28:26Speaker 01

  The AI teaches the kids, learns from the kids, and that will also create the national models for every country.

• 28:32Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 28:32Speaker 01

  Because right now, we hold the eyes open of the AI, we teach the whole internet, which is why it goes a bit crazy, you know? And again, we use reinforcement learning and other things to guide it. This will be different. So that technology scales. Again, there's nothing more as impactful as one-to-one tuition, and now we can do it in an empathetic way that adapts to each child. I believe that we can also address things like dyslexia and other things, so it's just information processing. And you will see that coming, we're doing a big drive towards that. Any information processing issues will be solved by this. Are you an auditory learner, visual learner? There are no more interfaces.

• 29:04Peter Diamandis?

  So it's completely customized learning for the individual, their favorite color, sports star, way of learning modality, knows exactly where they are and where they need to go.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  Building the foundation to activate humanity's potential. And so we're going to open source our new language models in our next month, and then we're going to announce the next generation of this. An open model for all of the world that you deserve for education and healthcare and other things, because humans are humans. Bring them the information that creates the most value and you will change the world.

• 29:34Peter Diamandis?

  Is this going to revolutionize healthcare to the point of... Yes, let's give it up for Ahmad on that one, yes? We've got just two minutes left here, help, and then you're coming back for the Q and A, which will be the fun part, because the audience gets to participate. I've always talked about the best diagnosticians, the best healthcare is going to be AI, which is going to level a playing field, the poorest child, the wealthiest child, same level across the board, yes?

• 30:04Speaker 01

  Humans are humans. This is why I kind of did the kayak project.

• 30:07Peter Diamandis?

  What a great advantage that is.

• 30:09Speaker 01

  It's a huge advantage, and again, this is the thing. This is the great equalizer, or it's the great controller, which is why I'm open versus closed.

• 30:18Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  This cannot be controlled by any entity, we have to distribute this, because I believe this is a human right. It's the next element we're going to introduce.

• 30:26Peter Diamandis?

  So...

• 30:29Peter Diamandis?

  Speaking about that, we're in the middle of the AI wars. And a little rumor told me that you got kicked off LinkedIn today.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, they identified our website as malware first last week and then made all our job descriptions.

• 30:43Peter Diamandis?

  And who owns LinkedIn, by the way?

• 30:45Speaker 01

  I couldn't say. Oh, Microsoft. So it's going to be very interesting. The stakes are really high. So there's a lot of people that don't want this technology to go out to the world. Again, I think putting it on these tablets for all these kids, building a national model to everyone, again, our mission is to build the foundation to activate humanity's potential. And our motto is not don't be evil, it's make people happier. And the happiest you can be is when you have agency. Let everyone have their own agency and they'll create insane things.

• 31:14Peter Diamandis?

  On that note, let's give it up for Eamonn Scott.

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