Thank God Trump Brokered a Ceasefire. That’s the Last Thing Mark Levin Wanted.

Thank God Trump brokered a ceasefire. That’s the last thing Mark Levin wanted. (00:00) Fox News’ War Propaganda (10:15) Who’s Really Controlling the Corporate Media Narrative? (21:55) The Absurdity of “Woke Right” (27:50) 9-11, Anthrax Attacks, and Forever Wars (33:43) Thomas Massie Is Unpatriotic? (53:38) How Corporate Media Profits off War Paid partnerships with: ExpressVPN: Go to https://ExpressVPN.com/Tucker and find out how you can get 4 months of ExpressVPN free! Byrna: Go to https://Byrna.com or your local Sportsman's Warehouse today. SimpliSafe: Visit https://simplisafe.com/TUCKER to claim 50% off & your first month free! Preborn: To donate please dial #250 and say keyword "BABY" or visit https://preborn.com/TUCKER Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:29Tucker Carlson?

  Clayton Morris, ladies and gentlemen. We worked together at Fox News. You were there 10 years. You've since gone on to be a lot more successful than either one of us was at Fox, and I think a lot happier, and congratulations.

• 0:42Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 0:42Tucker Carlson?

  No one gets out of it alive, except you.

• 0:45Speaker 02

  Well, you did.

• 0:46Tucker Carlson?

  And me, yeah, no. It's great to beat the odds. We both did. But is it weird to look at your former employer? You spent a decade working for them and see them as like a prime driver for war?

• 1:05Speaker 02

  It's not weird when, if you look at history, right? To me, when I started watching over the past few weeks, this drumbeat for war, I started seeing, it's almost like they went to their shelf and they grabbed their book, their manual. They got it off, they dusted it off. Like, what did we do back in 2002? What have we done before that successfully worked and pushed people, an entire populace, along with CNN and MSNBC, towards war? They flipped open the pages, they, you know, they skipped, they skipped the preamble because they already knew, you know, what to do. And they started lining up every show with the same rhetoric.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  They started putting up the TVs where they would stand and get up with their big pencils and their fingers on the board. Here's where they're going to attack. These are the bases, almost giving, like telegraphing military moves. It's from the same playbook, so it's not stunning to me.

• 2:03Tucker Carlson?

  That's called news coverage, Clayton.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  That's news, right.

• 2:07Tucker Carlson?

  We're just reporting the news.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  Where is the journalism? I don't understand it, but it is particularly this weekend, I became enraged this weekend. I'm not, I'm not one to get enraged unless like my kids leave their shoes in the kitchen or one of my eight-year-old steals my phone charger. Like, that's when I fly into a rage. I don't even get road rage. Like, I'm a pretty even-keeled person.

• 2:50Tucker Carlson?

  Very even-keeled. I can confirm that.

• 2:52Speaker 02

  Things could be happening all around me and I, you know, I just, I kinda, you know, float along. I got enraged this weekend, um, watching this coverage and almost breathlessly as soon as there was this announcement that, that Trump had authorized this bombing of these nuclear sites. It was, it was almost as if like the hosts on these shows were like grabbing an American flag and anyone who opposed this was unpatriotic and this was the most spectacular, amazing, American moment in history. He'll go down, like Reagan and Thatcher, you know, attempting to bring down communism. Everyone tried to do this for decades. Trump is the only one that could do it. I just, you know, uh, one of the hosts, I just got off the phone with Trump a few minutes ago and he said their entire

• 3:36Speaker 02

  nuclear program has been decimated. It's done. And I just couldn't believe what I was seeing.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  The, people didn't vote for this.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  And to see these networks pushing this coverage and it's not, you know, just Fox, it's CNN, it's MSNBC, and they're all right back to their playbook because it's so incredibly profitable. I mean, just like follow the money on all of this. So if we wind, I mean, contextually here, I don't know how, you know, much of your audience is aware of like what happened in 2002, 2003. We were sort of in that world at the time. You much more than me at that time, but I was-

• 4:14Tucker Carlson?

  I was part of the propaganda effort, yeah.

• 4:16Speaker 02

  And you were, was it, were you at MSNBC?

• 4:18Tucker Carlson?

  I was at CNN, the most trusted name in news. This is CNN.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  This is CNN, yeah. So, and you can't, the American media was all in lockstep. And you know that there were almost no dissenting voices allowed on the network news. Let me repeat that. There were almost no dissenting voices allowed on those shows across the board. MSNBC, we learned.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  Had a two for one booking, official booking plan. That meant two pro-war voices for every one anti-war voice. But across the board, I mean, shows.

• 5:01Tucker Carlson?

  So that they actually were explicit about that.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, producers who worked for, for instance, I'm getting ahead of myself here because I'm just so.

• 5:09Tucker Carlson?

  It's all right. It's all right. I mean, people. This is not a debate over the next budget agreement. This is not a debate even over, you know, boys and girls sports. This is a debate over the future of the world and millions of people could die. That's not a crazy concern. And so, yeah, this really matters. I think it's fair to be worked up about.

• 5:31Speaker 02

  I'm just trying to be level headed as much as I can be. So I'm just going to look at the, I just want to talk about the facts here because I've looked. I was, I studied this very, very closely at the time. I was infuriated by the, at it by the time when George W. Bush would get up there and tell us, you know, why they attack, you know, it's because they, why they hate us? It's because they hate our freedoms. I mean, my bullshit meter went, as soon as he said those words, I just wanted to scream at the television back then. They don't hate us because of our freedoms. That's just garbage. What, why, why aren't they going, why aren't they attacking Norway?

• 6:06Tucker Carlson?

  I went on CNN, well, I repeated that as well, for sure. And I kind of believed it. And then I went over to the region right after nine 11. And then a year later, I made the mistake of reading Osama bin Laden's manifesto on CNN. Not an endorsement of Osama bin Laden, obviously.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  Right, but it's news.

• 6:25Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I just think it's important to know why people do things. You can disagree completely, but I think it's important to be honest about other people's motives. And so I read this and maybe it's all made up or whatever. Can you trust Osama bin Laden? No. But I think, do I like Osama bin Laden? No, obviously. But I'm an American, but I think it's important to know why, at least what he said about why he did it. And the two reasons, there are a number of reasons, but the two big ones were you've got US forces on the Saudi peninsula. To holy, most holy cities in Islam, Mecca, Medina, like that's offensive to me.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  In his backyard?

• 7:04Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, well, right. He's Saudi, but also it's just like, yeah, symbolically offensive. I get it. I don't agree, but it's important to know that. And by the way, the US military moved its base out of Saudi Arabia after that. So like, they took it seriously. Okay. It's, you know, unnecessarily provocative. And the second reason was you're in critical support of Israel. So I read this on the air at CNN. Whoa, whoa, shouldn't have done that. I was immediately denounced as an anti Semite. What? Okay.

• 7:33Speaker 02

  Like you're reading Osama bin Laden's words and you are an anti Semite?

• 7:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I mean, I got completely slammed by some group. I can't remember the name of it. I was shocked by it. And, but I, I'm not endorsing Osama bin Laden. I despise Osama bin Laden. He murdered three million Americans or 3,000 Americans. So whatever. You were not allowed to deviate from the talking points. I mean, I experienced that.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 8:00Tucker Carlson?

  Like for real.

• 8:01Speaker 02

  No, you're not.

• 8:01Tucker Carlson?

  You have to just nod along and be like, yeah, okay.

• 8:04Speaker 02

  I mean, if you think about how ridiculous that is, you know, I had to read Mein Kampf in college, right? We still read Hitler's words to understand.

• 8:11Tucker Carlson?

  Well, yeah.

• 8:12Speaker 02

  The move towards a final solution, understanding bloodline, all of that. It's written in his own book. So you can understand where he got to with this. It's important to understand.

• 8:20Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  Historically.

• 8:22Tucker Carlson?

  I agree.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  I don't endorse Hitler.

• 8:25Tucker Carlson?

  I don't think so.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  By the way.

• 8:27Tucker Carlson?

  Good. I'm, I'm with you on that, Clayton.

• 8:29Speaker 02

  Glad we agree on that.

• 8:30Tucker Carlson?

  We do.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  By the way, I read that book in my history of the Holocaust class. You know, who was taught, my, had a Jewish professor at the University of Pittsburgh. It was an incredible class.

• 8:40Tucker Carlson?

  But it's crazy to think the country's become so irrational, partly because of training from cable news.

• 8:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:46Tucker Carlson?

  That knowing something is considered the same as endorsing it.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 8:51Tucker Carlson?

  And what it really is, is an attempt to control your mind, to control what you believe by limiting your access to information. That's really what it is.

• 8:59Speaker 02

  Also, what I find so offensive about at least cable news now is maybe it's always been this way. I think it probably has, but it's. Incurious. We can't ask.

• 9:09Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  We can't ask questions. And if you ask questions, that's an endorsement of that position. So like, we hit these nuclear targets. I would never, if I were still on there and I raised the question with a guest, like, how do we know we actually destroyed anything with these nuclear targets? Don't ask that question. You better not ask that question.

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• 12:38Tucker Carlson?

  Do you think that if you still worked at Fox? By the way, you were not fired from Fox, just for the record.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:43Tucker Carlson?

  This is all available online, but people don't know your backstory. You were not fired from Fox. You're one of the only people I ever met who left voluntarily.

• 12:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:52Tucker Carlson?

  So, yeah.

• 12:53Speaker 02

  True, I was there for 10 years. They were great to me. I loved, you know, the people were fantastic to me. But it was time to not wake up at 3:00 in the morning and do that show anymore. I was tired of like personal attacks and, you know, all of that. And I didn't get to see my kids on the weekend and I was done. So, and I said, you know what? I'm moving on from this. And I had been in morning television for like 20 years. You know how miserable that is?

• 13:16Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 13:17Speaker 02

  That people get cancer regularly. I mean, this is a fact. Uh, you work the night shift like that? You like, you pretty much can bank on getting like cancer, you know?

• 13:27Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I just got fat. Um. Yeah, no, I mean, it's incredibly hard physically. Yeah, everything about it is hardest job I ever had. So I get it. But you didn't leave.

• 13:39Tucker Carlson?

  They didn't force you to leave.

• 13:40Speaker 02

  No.

• 13:40Tucker Carlson?

  You left on the terms you just described. They were nice to me. I want to go do something else. That that never happens. I just want people to have that.

• 13:48Speaker 02

  No, they were great to me. Thank you. And I said, I'm going to leave this. And then they were actually said, well, what if we gave you your own show? You know, and I said, no, I appreciate that. But thank you, you know, and they were, but they were great. They were great. And we parted ways on great terms. And that was it. So, you know, and I felt like while I was there, I was, I was able to. I would get, I think I would get side eyes from people. But when I would question like the military industrial complex, like I'm sorry, like, why are we spending at this at the time was like $600 billion a year? On a military industrial complex budget? And all of these like Boeing, Northrop Grumman, they build factories in everyone's backyard.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  So all the members of the House of Representatives, every member of the Senate has like, oh, I've got Boeing in my backyard. Oh, that's, that's interesting. Because that's intentional that there's all of these military production facilities in your backyard. So it's always in your backyard. And I just became furious about, I've always been furious about that. I've always had a problem with that. And so occasionally I would ask those questions of guests on the show. And I could tell like, it was not a favorable question to be asking about the military.

• 14:56Tucker Carlson?

  Didn't like it.

• 14:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, you knew and you knew. There's a, there's a lot of unsaid things, right? So.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  I don't exactly, you know, I don't know where it comes from, maybe the top, I don't know. I worked the morning, so I was kind of in and out of there. And I didn't really have like a lot of interaction with like suits, you know? I wasn't one of those types of people. But you knew that when you were given sort of like, this is what we're covering on the show today. I don't see anything on here about. $800 billion like in a defense budget, or I don't see anything in here on our show. We've got a four hour show, but we can't ask. Questions about. Did we actually hit nuclear weapons or did we actually hit? Is there anything in Fordo when we hit it? I don't see it, you know, I don't see any of that in here. So you knew what sort of the agenda would be for the day.

• 15:49Tucker Carlson?

  Did you ever know?

• 15:51Speaker 02

  But no one ever told me what to say, you know, I just want to be clear.

• 15:53Tucker Carlson?

  Right, but it's, it's like you show up. I'm being disingenuous because I had the same job that you had. So I know the answer to this question, but it's just that people may not understand how this works. So you show up. And like, everything's prepared for you.

• 16:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:06Tucker Carlson?

  So it's not a matter of telling you what to say or what not to say. It's all kind of written that you're guided in a certain direction.

• 16:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:13Tucker Carlson?

  Did you ever figure out who was making those decisions?

• 16:17Speaker 02

  I didn't, no. Did you? Because again, I was a, I considered myself. I never really got along with like the suits types, you know? I get uncomfortable, I think, in that environment, you know? If I have to wear a suit, I cannot wait to take it off, you know? So I, I don't know those people. I don't have dinner with those people. If I have to see them occasionally to kind of talk about something, it's incredibly uncomfortable for me. So, no. But, so I don't have the answer to that. I could assume, but maybe you have a better clarity.

• 16:56Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, no, no, I know where they come, it comes from the family that owns it, for sure. I mean, I watched it. I did have dinner with suits a lot.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. But you knew that world so much better than DC.

• 17:08Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I come from a suit world, yeah.

• 17:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:09Tucker Carlson?

  But, uh, yeah, no, the Murdochs made those decisions, who I really like to this day. I like the Murdochs, but not against the Murdochs. But it's just a fact that they did do that and, and, and they overruled their people on questions of war. I remember, I think it was 2012, I'm pretty sure it was 2012. Roger Ailes was running and wonderful man, wonderful man, flawed guy, but wonderful.

• 17:36Tucker Carlson?

  I really liked him and admired him personally. Others disagree, but I still feel that way. But anyway, he had this guy called Andrew Napolitano, Judge Knapp. Did you ever run into him?

• 17:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 17:48Tucker Carlson?

  What a nice guy. Just a really nice guy. Like, everyone liked.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was great.

• 17:52Tucker Carlson?

  I still really like him a lot. But anyway, he had this show, I think it was called Judging Freedom, maybe?

• 17:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. And he's more of a libertarian, I would say.

• 17:59Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. He was hired as a libertarian. Well, he's a strict libertarian. He's an absolute constitutional.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  Like, stay out of other countries?

• 18:05Tucker Carlson?

  Hundred percent. He's, he's kind of a more erudite Thomas Massie.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:11Tucker Carlson?

  The same basic politics, not a hater at all. Just a nice man. But anyway, he made some anti-war noises on his show. And, and basically said, you know, why are we supporting all these other countries? Like, why are we doing this? Whoa. He lost his show over it. And a bunch of people came to Roger Ailes, I remember, I talked to him about it at the time, and demanded that he fire Judge Napolitano over this.

• 18:37Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 18:38Tucker Carlson?

  And, and ultimately, they just stripped him of his show, but kept him around as a contributor for another four or five years. As I remember, I may be getting some of the details wrong, but I, but that's basically what happened. They took the show away.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  I always wondered what happened.

• 18:50Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, my gosh. He was like.

• 18:52Speaker 02

  I, I loved watching that show.

• 18:53Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, it was great. It was interesting, too. And he's really smart. Oh, man, they, and I remember thinking, oh, that's the red line. They don't care if you get up there and you're like, I think, you know, whatever, some controversial racial opinion, or, you know, they'd be like, ah, that's a little hot, maybe not, don't go there. You express, you know, an opinion about our foreign policy that they don't like, we're done now. Like, they are totally serious about that.

• 19:20Speaker 02

  Well, you knew Roger Ailes used to watch our show religiously on the weekend because he was home. And the joke was, well, if you own a network, or you run a network, what do you do on the weekend? What do you wake up and have coffee? You watch your shows, you know? So he, it was a joke that he would watch our Fox and Friends Weekend Show more than just about any other show on the network, because it was Saturday morning, he was waking up with coffee. So he would call into the booth all the, all the time, you know, about a graphic being wrong. Like, he was very, very cautious. But no one ever told me what to say or anything. There was one time where I criticized Mark Zuckerberg and I called him a scumbag on the air.

• 19:53Tucker Carlson?

  Fair.

• 19:54Speaker 02

  And I got a talking to about that. Like, we don't use the term scumbag. And I was like, oh, I'm from Philly. I thought that was like, that's kind of like, that's how you talk, you know. I'm sorry. No, we have moms and with their children, you use the word scumbag. I'm like, okay, got it. I'll refrain from calling Zuckerberg a scumbag. But, um, I mean, it makes sense to me. I never hit that red line in that way because, as you pointed out, you're being guided a certain way. So, all of the segments, for those of your viewers that don't understand, like, you know, you have a card, you'd have like a packet, you know, of maybe like 10 articles regarding the segment you're about to do. And every segment's like four minutes long. So, you and I can talk for two hours. Every segment is like four

• 20:38Speaker 02

  minutes long. Then you've got a commercial break. And you might have two guests during that time. So you're, maybe it's a debate. Can you really have a debate in four minutes?

• 20:47Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  So, you have a debate. And always the other person's always sort of set up for failure to begin with, anyway. But, and you're sort of guided in what their, what their positions are. You know that John Smith, he believes this. And, you know, Sarah, whatever, knows, believes this. And you kind of go from there. If you deviate from that, that's when, you know, you have problems. So that's, you're guided through the whole day like that. And that's why this weekend, when we were watching this coverage, I was not surprised as they would sort of hand off coverage from show to show to show to show. It's all the same.

• 21:24Tucker Carlson?

  Trump's all the same.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  Trump did the most amazing thing ever. He carried out, he, you know, he destroyed Iran's nuclear infrastructure. This is amazing. Oh, and by the way, if you're anti, if you're anti this attack on Iran, that's the new message now, then you're unpatriotic.

• 21:41Tucker Carlson?

  Well, you're pro Iran.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  You're pro Iran. You're

• 21:45Tucker Carlson?

  Pro Iran.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  You were never MAGA. You are, you're, you're pro Islamic terror.

• 21:52Tucker Carlson?

  You're a bigot. It just reminds me so much of Black Lives Matter in 2020.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:58Tucker Carlson?

  We were on the other side, of course, I certainly was and Fox was. Generally, they don't want to talk about it. They were kind of pro Black Lives Matter, actually, if I'm being totally honest, but I was completely opposed to it from day one, just because I thought it was irrational and destructive and stupid. But it's the same impulse. It's like this hysteria sweeps over America, fanned by the media, Fox being a big part of that, the biggest media, and anyone who disagrees is just written off as a hater. Like, they go right to motive, oh, you must be taking money from a foreign power, you must hate this or that group.

• 22:38Tucker Carlson?

  There's no, like, even attempt to engage with what you're saying. It's like, they just write you off, just like, it's the same as, shut up racist.

• 22:48Speaker 02

  Right. You can't ask questions about Black Lives Matter being a corrupt organization, stealing money, which is a fact, you know? You're a racist, how dare you ask that question? It's Black Lives Matter, we literally paint Black Lives Matter on intersections, like, how dare you?

• 23:03Tucker Carlson?

  I know.

• 23:03Speaker 02

  Talk about the folks that are running it are actually stealing money, it's a corrupt organization. You can't, you can't bring that up.

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• 25:05Speaker 06

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• 25:07Speaker 05

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• 25:17Tucker Carlson?

  What's so hilarious, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised because they always accuse you of being exactly the way that they themselves are. Is anyone who asks questions or disagrees is woke now? Have you noticed this? The woke right? So you're like, I'm not sure that we should have a war with Iran right now. And like, it seemed like there were a lot of problems here. And like, people I know are dying of drug ODs. Shut up racist, you're woke. It's like, wait, what? Or people who are clearly working on behalf of a foreign country accuse you of working on behalf of a foreign country. It's so amazing to me.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  Because well, so many of these were former left-wing.

• 25:55Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  That's the thing, right? So these neo-cons, let's be honest, right? They were left-wing.

• 26:00Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  So they have now taken the moral high ground to tell me that I'm, I'm part of the woke right? Because I don't want us to intervene in a foreign. So I guess by that measure, then, George Washington is a member of the woke right in his farewell address telling the nation, we shouldn't intervene in foreign affairs of other countries.

• 26:21Tucker Carlson?

  So I thought wokeness was a euphemism for engaging in identity politics. It's identity politics. What matters most is your identity.

• 26:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 26:28Tucker Carlson?

  Ethnic, religious, whatever, racial.

• 26:32Tucker Carlson?

  The people who are using the term woke right are practicing like the most vicious kind of identity politics I've ever seen. It makes the the Black Lives Matter people seem like amateurs, which they are, of course. I mean, this is serious identity politics. Like, you disagree, you're a Nazi.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 26:49Tucker Carlson?

  Like, what's that but identity politics?

• 26:51Speaker 02

  Well, and it's also being described as like insidious, like you're not aware that you're anti Semite, you're anti Semitic now. Like Tucker, I don't know if you know, just the way that you dress today is now anti Semitic.

• 27:03Tucker Carlson?

  It's unconscious bias.

• 27:04Speaker 02

  Right. I mean, I literally heard-

• 27:06Tucker Carlson?

  Did we just hear this five years ago from the left?

• 27:08Speaker 02

  And now we hear-

• 27:09Tucker Carlson?

  Unconscious bias, you know, you're racist without knowing it. You don't need to be aware of your bad attitudes, you just exude them.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  We heard this five years ago from the left and literally driving here, I heard it on Glenn Beck's radio show. Glenn Beck said the exact same thing. And I like Glenn Beck.

• 27:25Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I love Glenn.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  He's an amazing, but he said, most people now, it's a sort of a, I don't know his exact wording, Glenn, don't be mad at me, but it was like, he'll admit it, that we're now, it's, it's like an insidious, we'd be, it's like a sort of soft anti Semitism that people are now, they just, without really consciously being aware of it, they've become anti Semitic.

• 27:46Tucker Carlson?

  So it's-

• 27:46Speaker 02

  It's the same thing.

• 27:48Tucker Carlson?

  It's, uh, it's exactly, we're gonna, we're gonna need to be deprogrammed.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  But we've been so heavily programmed by the mainstream media with wall to wall coverage, you're not getting any perspective from, from the Middle East, you're not getting any perspective from Iran, you're not getting any perspective from that side of it.

• 28:09Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  All of the guests that you'll have on television are all pro Israel. They're, and this is right out of that same playbook from 2002. So, like, if you look at the data on this, I find this fascinating. And again, this is where I'm trying not to be emotional, but I'm trying to just like, look at the data after 2002. And I came at this from like a personal perspective, and not to talk about me, but like, my, my brother was in the first Gulf War. And he went in with the Navy SEALs, um, before anyone else, he was in Baghdad. So he was there basically directing Tomahawk missile attacks at himself, you know, he could, flying right over his head, essentially.

• 28:46Tucker Carlson?

  He was in Baghdad?

• 28:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:48Tucker Carlson?

  Ooh.

• 28:49Speaker 02

  So we would send like care packages and things like that. But of course, we were all told at the time, tie a yellow ribbon around your tree. You remember the, the black and white images of, of Wolf Blitzer with a little helmet on?

• 29:02Speaker 02

  You know, talking about how great this was to, you know, to, to stop, to, to stop Saddam Hussein. So we watched all that happen. Forget how long that lasted. It was like 11 months or something like that. I forget.

• 29:14Tucker Carlson?

  Ish.

• 29:15Speaker 02

  Ish. So then 2002 rolls around and here we go again. And now the playbook was set.

• 29:22Tucker Carlson?

  Is your brother out by this point?

• 29:24Speaker 02

  Uh, no, he wasn't out at this point. He was still in, he was still in, in the Navy, but he didn't have to deal with this part of it. So more of like a, a landlubber, I guess, you know, at that, at that point. Um, uh, but then he was in Afghanistan. So he, he's had a long history of like having to deal with this. But so I saw, well, if you looked at the media analysis at the time, like 2002 into 2003, like we're attacked on September 11th. I maintain a massive false flag operation, but you do you, you know, but I, I absolutely, absolutely believe it was a catalyst to get us into these forever wars. Shut up. Don't ask questions about it. You'll be painted as a, you know, a truther, whatever.

• 30:05Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. We can't declassify those documents.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. So whatever.

• 30:11Tucker Carlson?

  Whose country is this, by the way? I, I was under the impression it was partly mine. I thought I was a shareholder here, born here. I'm a citizen. Why don't I have the right to know? I don't understand. I know someone who died on nine 11. I spent years of my life responding to it professionally.

• 30:27Tucker Carlson?

  So did other members of my family and I don't have a right to see the documents. Cause tell me, tell me how that works.

• 30:33Speaker 02

  Well, you know, William Randolph Hearst made us sure that we couldn't know the truth. I mean, we want to go back even further into history with the media narratives being how everything is being framed. I mean, we look at remember the main, the reason we went to war with Spain, you know, front, front pages of Hearst papers, the New York Journal at the time, I think.

• 30:53Tucker Carlson?

  Journal American.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. So the playbook was set and after, after nine 11, these networks, all of the major news networks started the drumbeat for war. CBS, NBC, ABC, and PBS News. They started their nightly newscasts every night, would have guests just about, they were all pro-war. Go take out Saddam Hussein. I think when they did the analysis, the FAIR, the F A I R report at the time, looked at just the nightly newscasts. 393 of their guests, out of those, three of them, just three of them, were anti-war. And like moderately anti-war. Not like one,

• 31:37Speaker 02

  not like you or me on there. It's like, eh, maybe we shouldn't. Only three of them. And that was just the nightly newscasts. Like the, the shows that most people don't even watch anyway, you know, the 6:30 nightly newscasts, the Tom Brokaw era. But then, then Colin Powell, you know, goes before Congress and he holds up that fake anthrax vial and pushes us to war in Iraq and says that he has mobile biological weapons labs. We can't really find them, so they're mobile. We gotta go in there. It's a threat to the region, of course. It's a threat to Israel. The network, the, the cable news channels then, that was when they did the really exhaustive study of the cable news channels. And I found this

• 32:19Speaker 02

  fascinating that, oh, I think it was like 1600, I might be off by like a few, but it's like 1600 guests they analyzed during that time after Colin Powell sat before Congress and essentially lied, I think unknowingly lied, that this was a threat. 1600 of the guests, there were, it was like 67% of the guests were pro-war on, across CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, all of the networks, all of the networks. The Brit Hume Show on Fox, the Wolf Blitzer Show on CNN, almost overwhelmingly all pro-war. MSNBC at the time then fired

• 33:03Speaker 02

  Phil Donahue, canceled his show because he was very much in the Judge Napolitano, like, maybe we shouldn't be going on war. So MSNBC fired him, canceled his show, and replaced it with a show called Countdown Iraq.

• 33:17Tucker Carlson?

  Come on.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  Countdown Iraq. So they fired Phil Donahue, who was vehemently anti-war and he was asking questions about this. Why are we doing this? Why should we be doing this? This seems like it's a boondoggle. It's a lie. Maybe we should be questioning this, allowing the weapons inspectors to do this. Oh, and by the way, at the time, when all of the, the networks were pushing this narrative, they did a study and 61% of Americans supported delaying any kind of attack. Let the weapons inspectors do their jobs. Like, we don't want to go to war. So six, even with all of that propaganda that was being pushed by these networks, 61% of Americans still said, no, we shouldn't involve ourselves in this. Which, by the way, I think if you looked at those numbers, would be very similar to like what Trump got in this

• 34:03Speaker 02

  last election with like, do we support, probably way higher. You probably know these numbers better than I do. Like, what percentage of Americans right now want us to be involved in these forever wars? Oh, and by the way, you're not allowed to say forever wars anymore, because now you're, if you say that, you're unpatriotic. You're, you're part of like the Thomas Massie, you know, isolationists, if you say forever wars.

• 34:25Tucker Carlson?

  Thomas Massie is unpatriotic now?

• 34:27Speaker 02

  Apparently. That's what he's being called, unpatriotic, because...

• 34:30Tucker Carlson?

  On Fox?

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Uh, well, on Truth Social. I mean, I think we've seen that he's anti-American.

• 34:36Tucker Carlson?

  It's hard to imagine.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  I think Trump just called him that he's unpatriotic and anti-American.

• 34:40Tucker Carlson?

  I know Thomas Massie. Well, I mean, you don't have to agree with Thomas Massie on anything, but to call him unpatriotic is really shocking.

• 34:49Speaker 02

  Right. So again, by that measure...

• 34:51Tucker Carlson?

  So who is Thomas Massie? Thomas Massie is ideological, but more than that, he's like a gentleman. He's a very decent man personally. He believes in self-restraint. He believes in self-reliance. He built his own off-grid house. Um, he lives in the community he's from, knows everybody. Uh, his rise in politics was totally organic. He didn't, you know, wasn't in the Young Leaders Program at, you know, Davos. He, he's like the most American person, married his high school girlfriend, passed unfortunately.

• 35:22Tucker Carlson?

  Has great kids who love him. I can't imagine a more American man than Thomas Massie. You can totally disagree with Thomas Massie. You know, you think his ideas are dumb or whatever. It's fine, of course, but to impugn his character is so disgusting to me.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I feel the same way and, uh, you know, I, I have him.

• 35:39Tucker Carlson?

  That makes me, I know Thomas Massie. I don't agree with everything Thomas Massie says. I don't agree with anything, anyone, everything anyone says, but, um, that's disgusting that people would say that about him.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  And when people attack, I invite him on my show, you know, come on, because I can't stand, I can't stand when people attack him or call him that he's somehow not make America great again, because he stands in the way of a massive multi-trillion dollar debt time bomb that he, that we're gonna pass in Congress, that he talks about that, or that says we shouldn't bomb other countries.

• 36:12Tucker Carlson?

  Well, his views are sincere. I mean, you could say, well, you know, there are a million different plausible arguments you can make for and against any potential action, you know? And, but you can't say that Thomas Massie is thoughtless. You can't say that he's acting on behalf of somebody else. He's totally transparent about what he believes and why, and he's totally sincere. And he's saying what he believes is true. And in a decent society, in a Christian society, that has to matter. Just because you're sincere doesn't mean you're right, of course.

• 36:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 36:44Tucker Carlson?

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• 39:27Tucker Carlson?

  Get your edge back.

• 39:28Speaker 02

  I've been to, you know, the United States of America where pubs across Philadelphia were filled with people just sitting there having friendly debates over politics, you know, having a hard cider at nine in the morning, you know, like our founding fathers did. Maybe we need to bring back hard cider, but that's what they did. That was their breakfast drink. You know, John Adams sitting there just having a conversation with, uh, you know, with Thomas Jefferson.

• 39:50Tucker Carlson?

  In their defense, the water was bad. That was

• 39:52Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 39:52Tucker Carlson?

  The safest beverage. No, but it's, it's, sorry, I'm sorry to get stuck. Wow, that I'm not, not as clued into what people are saying as I probably should be, but I didn't know that he was being attacked like that.

• 40:04Speaker 02

  Vehemently and President Trump just launched a like large diatribe on Truth Social about him, you know, uh, calling him non, you know, not, not MAGA and he's not make America great again. And

• 40:15Tucker Carlson?

  Thomas Massie is the wrong target.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:18Tucker Carlson?

  I think.

• 40:19Speaker 02

  It was the first time that I saw Trump get ratioed, actually, um, when he attacked Massey a few months ago and just read the comments. So people usually, you know, all of the MAGA people will just jump on and say, you know, whatever you say, President Trump, we love you, we love you without any sort of critical thought. And then when he, when he attacked Massey a number of months ago, the ratio was unbelievable. I never thought I'd see it, but people overwhelmingly were like, uh, Mr. President, wrong target.

• 40:47Tucker Carlson?

  It's wrong target. I mean, you can, I, I understand that Trump is annoyed understandably that Massey's like criticizing his bill. Trump thinks the bill's really important and Massey's just totally against it and you can't win Massey's vote because he really means it. I think this is what the president's thinking is, is my sense. And, and that annoys him because he really feels like he has to get this bill through. Okay. That's a fair debate. Um, I get it. I get both sides, but to accuse him, for anyone to accuse Massey of having evil motives is really dark and says much more about the accuser than the accused, I would say.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 41:24Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. So, wow. Okay. We've already gotten me spun up, Clayton Morris.

• 41:30Speaker 02

  Well, I've been spun up all weekend. So it's, I have to share some of that energy with you. I mean, I know you've been furious too. So

• 41:35Tucker Carlson?

  Well, also ashamed because I was part of the propaganda push in 2002 and 2003 up until December 15th of that year, when I changed my view, life and views. But, um, I don't remember. Anyone ever talking about, so I was in TV from 2003, I'd been in it long before that, but I was in 2003 to, I got fired in 2023. So that's, that's 20 years. I guess that's exactly 20 years. Yeah. I don't remember really any conversation, you know, backstage about our role, the media's role in the run up to Iraq. Did anyone ever talk about that in your experience?

• 42:15Speaker 02

  No. No, and it's such a vital part of this. It's such a important piece of this to have that propaganda piece of this, the manufacturing of consent for war.

• 42:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 42:28Speaker 02

  And we have, again, a long history of this. You don't do it without the newspapers. You don't do it without the television stations. You don't do it without the Fox News or the CNNs, the MSNBCs.

• 42:37Tucker Carlson?

  Totally right.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  I mean, CBS changed the name of their show to Showdown with Saddam. I, you know, I'm Clayton Morris, host of Showdown with Saddam. We haven't attacked, we haven't attacked them yet, but that's the name of my show. Welcome, we're replacing Phil Donahue with Countdown Iraq. Like, so you're, you're, you're, you're framing all of this ahead of time. You're, the propaganda is there ahead of time. So it's all being laid out. We, it's basically, it becomes an inevitability that we are going to attack.

• 43:10Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. The show should have been called, What the Hell Does Saddam Hussein Have To Do With 9/11?

• 43:14Speaker 02

  Can't ask that. Can't ask that.

• 43:17Tucker Carlson?

  No, but that's like, even I, who was a semi-witting cog in the propaganda machine those years, even I was like, always baffled. Like, what the hell does Saddam have to do with 9/11? And there was this character, Steve Hayes, who later became a Fox News contributor.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:34Tucker Carlson?

  Remember, who was like, who was just kind of dumb. Um, not evil or anything. He's just stupid and ambitious and trying to feed his family. But he wound up writing this book, and I think the Cheney people like leaked him a bunch of lies and he was dumb enough to believe them. And it was like a book like, no, actually Saddam was behind 9/11.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, believe the chainies.

• 43:56Tucker Carlson?

  And I like Taze too. At the time, we worked together, actually. I was like, ah, I don't, I don't think you've really made the case there.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  What, when did he publish that book? Was that before Colin Powell's Anthrax?

• 44:07Tucker Carlson?

  I, you know, I, it's all a blur to me. It was a long time ago and I was right in the middle of it. So it was, it was hard, it's harder to see the outlines when you're in the middle of something. I didn't have clarity. And like the fair report at the time would have been like, fair is a very liberal group. And I would have been like, well.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  Liberals, yeah.

• 44:23Tucker Carlson?

  Who gives a shit what they think?

• 44:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:25Tucker Carlson?

  And I'm still very opposed to liberals, but the definition of liberal has changed. But now I would, I would hope I would say, I don't care where the information comes from. What matters to me is whether or not it's true.

• 44:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 44:37Tucker Carlson?

  You have to be focused on what's true. Period. Like that has to be your, your North Star, or else you're going to wind up participating in lies, as I did.

• 44:47Speaker 02

  Do you remember a curveball?

• 44:49Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  So this is a, the media complicity with us. So I spoke to an FBI agent who told me, he said, you know, when we want to leak information, you know, we push it out to the Washington Post, or we push it out to, uh, intelligence agencies want to push and leak stories or plant stories. We go to the New York Times, we go to the, you know, uh, we go to the Washington Post, et cetera. And of course it used to be, you know, back in the day, you know, they were embedded inside of newsrooms, right? So you had them inside the CBS newsroom and all of that.

• 45:20Speaker 02

  And now they just give them the information and then they run with it. They don't question it at all. So curveball, this has always been fascinating to me. It's, you know, Colin Powell gets up there and holds up this vial.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  And it's been kept from him that this guy, Curveball, was a defector from Iraq. He defects to Germany. And starts talking all kinds of shit about Saddam Hussein. He's got mobile biological weapons labs.

• 45:48Tucker Carlson?

  The mobile bio labs. I remember that.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  He's got all these things and the German authorities are like, This guy curveball has got a screw loose. Like eh. So do you remember there was a CIA European chief, I think his name was like Tyler Drumheller or something like that? He knew that this guy screwball was had a screw loose. And he warned his counterparts in DC like, don't pay attention to what this guy curveball is saying. This information is not accurate. He's got an agenda. This smells bad. Don't, don't base anything that you're giving Colin Powell or anybody, anybody else, any reason to go into Iraq. Don't base it on curveball.

• 46:35Speaker 02

  DC ignores it on purpose, hides it from Colin Powell. So then Colin Powell goes before the American people with a little vial of fake anthrax and says, mobile biological weapons labs. And I mean, all of the networks run with it. There were people in the media who were aware that curveball was had a screw loose, but it didn't matter because the narrative had been set. We ignored it. So the, you know, DC, DC offices ignored it on purpose and cordoned it off. I think Colin Powell's speechwriter at the time and, and head of his office said we were completely deceived because they withheld this information. And this was, he's Colin Powell

• 47:18Speaker 02

  spent weeks at CIA headquarters going over all of the documents. Not one of them did he find credible. The one that he ended up using, one of maybe two, was the mobile biological weapons labs that all came from curveball, which was all made up. And then of course, in 2011, curveball comes out and says, yeah, I made the whole thing up because I hated Saddam and I just wanted regime change. And I knew if I planted this seed, it would lead to regime change. Shouldn't we have a stronger predicate to go into these countries? And shouldn't the, the incurious media be asking questions of these people? But they go along with it because it's part of, you know, I don't know who's feeding them these sort of like deep state talking points that they need to carry on with this. But they're, to me, they're

• 48:00Speaker 02

  an extension of the Pentagon. I mean, when you have like Fox News has like an office in the Pentagon.

• 48:08Tucker Carlson?

  And who, who works in that office?

• 48:09Speaker 02

  I think Jennifer Griffin.

• 48:10Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, Jennifer Griffin.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  So you have these people that are literally inside the buildings.

• 48:16Tucker Carlson?

  Jennifer Griffin is, even by the standards of Pentagon employees, I guess she's not technically an employee of the Pentagon, she's a shill, obviously for the deepest of the deep states, but she, she's like a parody, she's like a parody. It's like the whole thing. She had this amazing tweet yesterday. I guess the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, or her former colleague, said something about, you know, referring to the pilots of the B2s who dropped the bunker busters in Iran, said something like, "Good work, boys." I think there's something like that. And Jennifer Griffin immediately comes back and goes, "Breaking news, actually, one of the pilots was a female, a woman." And like, so all of a sudden, Fox News is like, celebrating the diversity of the bomber pilots?

• 49:00Tucker Carlson?

  It's like, there was this meme years ago, several years ago, making fun of the left, and it was like, you know, someone getting bombed in some, you know, benighted country, and by the US or by NATO, and it was like, but, you know, at least the pilots are gay. And all of a sudden, Fox is like, "No, actually, we should celebrate now because one of the B2 pilots was a woman." So Roe v. Wade was overturned three years ago and people celebrated, but the battle over abortion is not over. In fact, did you know that abortions are at a 10-year high? In a lot of ways, it's the saddest thing that happens in this country. The birth rate

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• 51:39Speaker 02

  Period. You know what's amazing? If you look at, well, first of all, her coverage of this in the immediate aftermath of the bombing was, this is spectacular. You know, Sean, this is spectacular. This was, yeah, this was an amazing operation. There was not one leak, no one-

• 51:56Tucker Carlson?

  She loved the explosions.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  Jennifer Griffin's fought in a lot of wars. She's personally courageous. She's put a lot on the line.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  So many of these people are, even like that Jim Sciuto from CNN, you know?

• 52:07Tucker Carlson?

  It was unbelievable.

• 52:08Speaker 02

  You know, he was embedded in Ukraine and he's like, you know, we know this massive offensive is coming. Here's this and this, you know, being fed information directly from the deep state, you know, these guys. So they're all an extension, you know, CNN and all these, they're all an extension of the intelligence community, being fed this information and given these sources. So they can never say a negative thing about them, because then you cut off your sources. You know, Jennifer Griffin, as this was all unfolding, and it was clear to me- That there are a lot of questions about what was actually in those nuclear sites. Because a week earlier, Israel had struck two of them. So do you think that Iran just kind of hung out and just like got a broom out? And cleaned some stuff up?

• 52:52Speaker 02

  And just put like the pictures back up on the wall? No, they were empty. And Fordo, by all accounts, was empty as well. So what exactly did we hit? And then this information was coming out almost in real time. But I was watching the network news coverage. And there was no sort of walking it back. There was no assessment.

• 53:12Tucker Carlson?

  Telling the truth.

• 53:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 53:14Tucker Carlson?

  Just lying.

• 53:14Speaker 02

  Just continuing with this. This is the greatest moment in American history.

• 53:18Tucker Carlson?

  The crazy thing is Jen Griffin is a liar. But also very liberal. Bah, true Trump hater. To the point where I complained about her. And I really tried not to complain about other people at Fox when I worked there. Because like, I don't like that, you know, office politics stuff. But she was discrediting the channel. She was such a Trump hater. And it was like emotional, like her internal memos, you know, from the Pentagon. Sources are telling us. Were like screeds. It was like, oh, I'll just read Political Playbook if that's what, you know, or whatever. I'll read Mother Jones. And I said to an executive at Fox, like, what, what are we doing with this Jennifer Griffin person? She's an idiot. She doesn't tell the truth. She misleads our viewers.

• 54:01Tucker Carlson?

  And she's like a screamin' liberal who hates Trump, who our viewers love. So what, what are we getting out of this? And it was like, oh, it's like, boy, you could not touch Jennifer Griffin. I don't know what that's about. But, um.

• 54:16Speaker 02

  Well, if you have an office in the Pentagon, maybe that's what that's about.

• 54:19Tucker Carlson?

  Maybe.

• 54:20Speaker 02

  I mean, or, I don't know. That's that whole other world that I, you know, I'm not a part of, but I just, I cannot, I can't tolerate it. And it's why so many people are so fed up with cable news. But you have to understand, well, you understand it. Maybe your viewers don't fully understand or appreciate how profitable it is for these networks during war. So if you look at the numbers from like, like Q1 of 20 or 2002, 2002, before we went into Iraq, the numbers for revenue for, for Fox was about 70 or so,

• 55:05Speaker 02

  I forget the numbers exactly, but anyway, in that following quarter, when the war started in March, the numbers went up 150%.

• 55:14Tucker Carlson?

  No way.

• 55:14Speaker 02

  150%. So war is incredibly profitable. I mean, CNN was built on it, right? I mean, CNN's-

• 55:20Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, literally started or was brought to public attention during the war that your brother served in in 1990.

• 55:26Speaker 02

  So they made, you know, billions off of war. So countdown to Iraq, showdown with Saddam, like all of the sort of build up to war, people are going to tune in, they're going to make money from ad revenue. When, in an era where ad revenue is plummeting, the, the, the, the young people don't watch cable news. They get their news from like TikTok and, and X and little soundbites here and they YouTube and places like that. They're not buying a cable subscription. Do you know any young people that have a cable? I bet if you asked any of your staff, do you, any of you guys own a cable subscription so you can watch CNN or Fox News? No. So that audience is, you know, like getting much, much older.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  So it's gonna be very interesting to see what happens to like the cable news landscape in the next few years.

• 56:15Tucker Carlson?

  You remember Benghazi?

• 56:16Speaker 02

  Right. I'm glad you brought that up for a whole, a whole host of reasons, but go ahead. I don't mean to-

• 56:23Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that was kind of in progress when I got to Fox. I've been fired from a couple other channels. Roger Ailes hired me. So nice of him. Never stop being grateful. And, but I show up in this Benghazi thing. It's like going bonkers and Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. And this is like the touchstone to this is the Rosetta Stone to the Obama administration, right? Taking down with Benghazi. And of course, the US ambassador was killed and- So whatever. I mean, that's I'm totally opposed to you. My father was US ambassador. I'm against US ambassadors being killed, right?

• 56:54Speaker 02

  Dragging through the streets. Yeah.

• 56:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, yeah, completely. So I was on board and we talked about it a lot on TV. And I remember one day I was thinking, I saw some number of the number of CIA operations, CIA officers who were there and Benghazi is like an ancient city. I think it's across from Cyprus. It's on on the Med and, you know, second city of Libya. It's a real place, but we had, we had so many CIA personnel in Benghazi, Libya. And I remember this was after we NATO killed Gaddafi and I was like, why? What? What were they doing there? What was people doing there? So I asked that question on TV. And it turns out they were there helping to move Gaddafi's

• 57:37Tucker Carlson?

  arms stockpiles to fund the war in Syria, which we were not prosecuting on our own behalf. It was 100% for a foreign country. We were doing this. We had no national interest in stoking a civil war in Syria. We did that really at the behest of another country. Shamefully, killed all these people, but whatever. Anyway, I didn't know any of this, but I was just, I asked like one day, why do we have so many CIA officers? I sort of understood that world a little bit. And I was like, that's weird. Do we have 35 operations guys in Benghazi, Libya? Like what is or whatever the number was? Whoa, I got immediately, uh, whoa, that's not the Benghazi story we're looking at.

• 58:16Speaker 02

  Really? Fox told you that?

• 58:17Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, 100%. Like, I don't know. Like, what does that have to do with it? The point is a US ambassador was killed. That's bad. Let's just keep it there. Like, we don't, that's not our area.

• 58:25Speaker 02

  I'm glad you bring this up.

• 58:27Tucker Carlson?

  And I was like, oh, my gosh, something big is going on here.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  Because, you know, Fox hated Obama, of course.

• 58:34Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, yeah, me too. I still do.

• 58:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, vehemently hated Hillary Clinton.

• 58:39Tucker Carlson?

  Me too.

• 58:40Speaker 02

  Vehemently. So.

• 58:42Speaker 02

  They're responsible for the Benghazi disaster, killing of US ambassador. But you couldn't ask questions about like, why the hell are we in Libya to begin with?

• 58:52Tucker Carlson?

  Well, exactly.

• 58:52Speaker 02

  So isn't that amazing? So you, because that speaks to the heart of it, which is the uniparty, right? That speaks to the heart of it, which is both that liberals, neo cons, they're all operating from the same playbook.

• 59:05Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  So you can't question like, why are we in Libya in the first place? Why, why did we go in and, you know, just because, you know, Gaddafi wanted to make his own country prosperous? That we can't have that in the Middle East in the same way that we couldn't have Iran nationalizing their own oil in the 1950s, right? It's the same thing. So you can't ask that question. And so it just speaks to the military industrial complex control, the uniparty that operates in Washington DC that fully is an operational at the, at the media networks as well. Don't question why we're in Libya, just focus on the Hillary Clinton piece of what happened in Benghazi. Don't question what's going on in Syria.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  Just, you know, focus on Assad as a madman and he's going to kill, he's gassed all these people, which was fake.

• 59:54Tucker Carlson?

  It was fake. I said it was fake. Boy, they wanted to kill me for saying that.

• 59:58Speaker 02

  I mean, this sort of predicate, these propaganda pieces that they use, and it becomes part of like, you know, this national vernacular on television, you know, Saddam is, you know, Assad is gassing his own people. It's not true.

• 1:00:13Tucker Carlson?

  They were so emotionally, so that by that point, I, I'm neutral on Assad, always have been, but there was a thriving Christian community there. I am a Christian, so I felt legitimate for me to ask like, how does it affect the Christians? I don't know. No one else is saying it, so I thought I would.

• 1:00:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:30Tucker Carlson?

  And I said that, wow, people didn't like that. And then the gas attack came, which was of course, the justification for a bombing campaign, another bombing campaign in Syria, and someone high level person tipped me off, hey, this is not real. Well, there's no evidence it's real. If it's real, show, show me how it's real.

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. In fact, it's been not only no evidence, it's been debunked.

• 1:00:49Tucker Carlson?

  Right. But this was like the day after, the day of.

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:51Tucker Carlson?

  So I said that on TV, boy, I got taken aside by a senior person there who I really liked, had known my whole life, honestly. And he was like, Tucker, I don't know what you're doing here, but this is, uh, this is, and I was like, and very emotional. Like, why are you defending Assad? I was like, I'm not defending Assad. We're using the US military to kill people. And I just want to know if the justification for that is real. And they haven't shown that it is. And they're clearly lying. And I don't know much about anything, but I do know lying when I see it. I have a good instinct for that. And I think they're lying. Wow, I got scolded by somebody who I really liked and was close to personally, but was like emotional. Like, how dare you? What is that?

• 1:01:31Tucker Carlson?

  I don't, I never have, I don't understand it to this day.

• 1:01:37Speaker 02

  I think I understand it in a, if you look at it with this like broader brush that we're, we can't have dissent when you're trying to, when you're trying to do the bidding of a foreign country. I mean, Israel absolutely wanted us to take out Assad. They've been wanting, the same thing with Libya. And if you go back to Netanyahu sitting there in front of Congress, telling us about Iraq, that Saddam Hussein 100% has weapons of mass destruction, 100%. There's no doubt in my mind, he has weapons of mass destruction. You need to go in there. Like, you know, by the way, it's a risk to America. So this is always the, you know, the story, which is it's a risk to America if, if you don't go and bomb Iran. It's a risk to America. We're, we're defending freedom together. And the same with Syria, that Syria is going to launch attacks, which by the way, Syria

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  was one of the most peaceful countries in the world. Damascus, a beautiful country, a beautiful city, one of the most peaceful countries in the world. Look it up. But when you want to take care of your own people and you want to sort of de-westernize, that's a, that's a huge threat. In the same way that Iran wanting to nationalize its own oil and kick British Petroleum out of its country. We're, you know, we're going to keep our own oil. I mean, look what it did to Norway in the late seventies. Norway became one of the richest and wealthiest countries in the world.

• 1:02:52Tucker Carlson?

  Number one per capita.

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  So if there's a history lesson here, like Iran was basically trying to do what Norway did in the late seventies. We're going to not, you know, nationalize our own oil, but keep, keep the profitability for ourself. And then what happened? The United States took it over. British Petroleum came back in, we installed the Shah. They end up using all of this oil funneling off to other places. So doesn't enrich the Iranians at all. Widespread poverty. It's like something out of Mao's playbook, you know, like. Take all of your food and then just ship it off to Russia.

• 1:03:24Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  Right? And then also charge your Chinese people really high taxes. Give them no food, produce a bountiful amount of food, just like Iran with oil. But instead of keeping it, send it to Stalin. So that you're in, you're fattening them up. The wheat goes to, the wheat goes to Russia, it doesn't go to the Chinese people. It's a, it's a play, you know, it's right out of that playbook. So we cannot have a strong Libya. That, you know, serves its own self-interests. We cannot have a strong Iran that wants to enrich its own people. I mean, have you ever seen the photos of like Iran in the 1950s?

• 1:04:00Tucker Carlson?

  I have.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  It's unbelievable. People should look it up. I mean, girls in miniskirts, walking, you'd be hard pressed to tell like the difference between like downtown Rochester, New York. These black and white photos.

• 1:04:12Tucker Carlson?

  Was also thriving.

• 1:04:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:13Tucker Carlson?

  In 1954, yeah. Sad. No, it's sad. And I don't know. I've managed to see the Israeli perspective on, I don't see it on Gaza. I'm just gonna say that. But on most things, I've managed to see the Israeli perspective. And, you know, they think they're acting in their own interests. And my kind of gut level view is that every country acts in his own interest. Every person acts in his family's interest. But that makes sense to me. I've never been mad about it. Again, Gaza, I think is, is too much. It's my personal opinion. Sorry, call me a hater. But, but whatever, but in, just in general, like countries act in their own interests. Like, that's okay.

• 1:04:57Tucker Carlson?

  I don't understand the Americans who were bought in on that.

• 1:05:02Speaker 02

  Or changed their profiles so that they've got, they're Christian Americans and they've got an Israeli flag.

• 1:05:07Tucker Carlson?

  I don't get that.

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  I don't understand.

• 1:05:08Tucker Carlson?

  I don't get that. Everyone's like, oh, you hate Israel. No. My, my real rage is reserved for people who sell out their own country.

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:15Tucker Carlson?

  Like, I get their perspective. They think they're doing what they need to do. They could be right or wrong. We can debate it, whether what they're doing is good for them. You know, it doesn't seem like it, but maybe they're, you know, what do I know?

• 1:05:24Speaker 02

  No, I think Israel, I mean, I'll say it. I think Israel's killing themselves.

• 1:05:27Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, okay, but that's their country.

• 1:05:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:05:29Tucker Carlson?

  I don't understand why the selling out of my country, where I'm from, by my countrymen. Like, that really offends me. That's fair, isn't it?

• 1:05:40Speaker 02

  Right, because I don't hear Israelis wanting to pump us with billions of dollars, telling us that, you know, you guys have a fentanyl problem. Like, you know, or coming into our country, like the IDF is going to protect our southern borders to protect us.

• 1:05:53Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:53Speaker 02

  We, why are we sending billions of dollars? Why? Israel has a surplus, a budget surplus. And a space force. Like space program. Like, why are we? I mean, just driving down the streets, seeing like homeless people.

• 1:06:09Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  I was driving down the street just the other day, just this guy like with a bag, just like, you know, falling out of the trees. It was in California a few weeks ago. And just the tents, and I couldn't believe the amount of tent cities underneath.

• 1:06:21Tucker Carlson?

  It's a national emergency. It's the most pressing national emergency I can imagine. If your countrymen are dying of drug ODs by the hundreds of thousands and living on the street by the millions, which they are.

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:31Tucker Carlson?

  How is that not the most important thing that's happening in your country?

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  But they'll say it's a false dichotomy. How, what does us sending billions to Israel have to do with all the homeless people in the United States?

• 1:06:40Tucker Carlson?

  No, I mean, that's, it's silly. How much disk space, how much attention of our leaders is focused abroad versus how much is focused here? It's, it's simple. It's not even about the money, though it is on some level about the money. But it's about the attention. If I'm totally absorbed in the problems of my neighbor's children, it leaves less time for the problems of my own children. It's that simple.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  Well, Ted Cruz said to you in your interview with him, the very first thing out of his mouth, the very first reason he wanted to become a part of the United States Congress is because he wanted to see how he could serve Israel. I think those were his, maybe.

• 1:07:11Tucker Carlson?

  The problem with that is, once you start saying that stuff out loud, um, I mean, I, you know, it's not good. People are, you know, once you see how things actually operate, it radicalizes people. And as a true temperamental moderate, let me say, I don't want that. I don't want a country full of angry people. You know what I mean? But people like Ted Cruz, who is, just sort of admits that the US is not his main interest in life, but he is a United States Senator representing one of our biggest states, uh, that radicalizes people. I mean, why wouldn't it?

• 1:07:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:47Tucker Carlson?

  And I just don't want that. I don't want everyone to be kind of happy and I want people to be pissed off and writing crazy shit on X and which they're now doing. You know what I mean?

• 1:07:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:56Tucker Carlson?

  All of it. Anyway, um, so can I, you said you saw Fox News recently. You're not a huge Fox, well, you lived out of the country for years.

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:05Tucker Carlson?

  I guess it's not.

• 1:08:06Speaker 02

  I never really watched it for years.

• 1:08:07Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. Yeah. But now you're back in the United States and you saw it. Can I just play, we just put together a montage, which I think is fair. By the way, Fox canned me over two years ago. I've never attacked Fox. I'm not mad at Fox. I've always liked Fox. I'm grateful to them. This is really the first time I've attacked them, but I think it really matters. I think this is a fair representation of what's on Fox's air right now. Okay, here it is.

• 1:08:32Speaker 03

  The greater risk would be to do nothing in the face of a clear and present danger. The world cannot experience another Holocaust.

• 1:08:40Speaker 07

  If Iran gets a nuclear weapon, I think the odds are unacceptably high that we would

• 1:08:46Speaker 04

  find out with a mushroom cloud over New York City, or Los Angeles, or Tel Aviv, and Israel. Israel is doing an enormous favor to the United States right now. Nuclear Iran is not just an existential threat to Israel. It is an existential threat to America. Take these enemies, not just figuratively, not just seriously, but literally. When they say they want a second genocide, they want a nuclear Holocaust, they mean it.

• 1:09:13Speaker 03

  If we need to provide bombs to Israel, provide bombs. If we need to fly planes with Israel, do joint operations. But here's the bigger question. Wouldn't the world be better off if the Ayatollahs went away and replaced by something better? Wouldn't Iran be better off?

• 1:09:28Speaker 06

  America first is not sitting in a beach chair and using words. It's taking decisive action when we can take out four dough with one swoop of an airplane.

• 1:09:36Speaker 07

  What the hell is it gonna take to realize what we're up against here? This country should be united, united in its own defense. Nobody's dragging us into anything. It's not the Jews, it's not Israel again. No. Long-range, intercontinental ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads are for you and me and your children and your grandchildren.

• 1:10:05Tucker Carlson?

  That's what's airing on Fox. By the way, that same person, Mark Levin, who was a totally minor player in Fox World up until recently, I can tell you firsthand, suggested today that we send nuclear weapons to Ukraine, too. And I should just make it clear, in the last clip that we played, he said, "Intercontinental ballistic missiles armed with nuclear warheads are meant for you. They're gonna kill you, the mullahs." Ron doesn't have intercontinental ballistic missiles, doesn't have nuclear warheads. Like, all of this is, it's deranged, and the point is to scare old people into obedience.

• 1:10:47Tucker Carlson?

  And let me say one last thing, that everyone on that list, so we've got Hannity, Cruz, Barry Weiss, Lindsey Graham, Kayleigh McEnany, Mark Levin. Of those people, Hannity's, I think, a genuine friend of Trump's. I think Hannity really likes Trump, and I just want to say again, I really like Sean Hannity personally. Got no problem with Sean Hannity at all, personally. And he likes, he likes Trump. I don't know Kayleigh McEnany, what she thinks of Trump. But Ted Cruz, Barry Weiss, Lindsey Graham, and Mark Levin hate Donald Trump. They're all never Trumpers. Well, I mean, you know, one of them, Ted Cruz, ran against him.

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:11:27Tucker Carlson?

  So like, these are people who hate Donald Trump. I'm not guessing. I know them all.

• 1:11:34Speaker 02

  They're like Nikki Haley supporters.

• 1:11:35Tucker Carlson?

  100%.

• 1:11:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:11:36Tucker Carlson?

  Ron DeSantis. And they're all now saying how much they love Trump? Like, anyway, I'm gonna just stand back and just let you assess, like, what we just saw.

• 1:11:45Speaker 02

  Well, one thing I noticed, I didn't see any dissenting voices at all. Again, goes right back to the 2002 playbook. I didn't see anybody saying, "Wait a second." Challenging Mark Levin about intercontinental ballistic missiles. There was no questioning of that.

• 1:12:03Tucker Carlson?

  There's no one there to question. There was a guy who would have questioned him, but they fired him a couple of years ago.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  And now he's got a much bigger platform.

• 1:12:10Tucker Carlson?

  No, I didn't mean to sound self-pitying, but it is...

• 1:12:13Speaker 02

  No, it is true. Like, is Hannity, I mean, I think Ted Cruz, I don't know whose show he was on during that, but is Hannity gonna question? Like, I saw Mark Levin go on a tirade the other day on Hannity's show, and then Hannity basically jumped in and supported that tirade. Praising Trump as maybe, you know, that decades of presidents had the opportunity to attack and didn't do it, it took Donald Trump, like, you know, God, basically, to attack and destroy Iran's nuclear facilities. But I didn't see any dissenting voices on this at all. And the idea Barry Weiss saying that...

• 1:12:49Speaker 02

  That this is a threat to America. So that's, that's what we keep hearing. This is a threat

• 1:12:53Tucker Carlson?

  Barry Weiss will say whatever she needs to say. Barry Weiss's interest is not the United States at all. It's odd. I mean,

• 1:13:00Speaker 02

  but factually, is it a threat to America? That's what I want to know. Like who, and if it is,

• 1:13:05Tucker Carlson?

  certainly make it a threat to America.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  Right. And that's the, that's the beauty of now we're hearing about now there's sleeper cells. So I spoke to a CIA agent, a former CIA agent a couple of months ago, and he said, my biggest fear is that they will use, he said, this is, this is the CIA plan. This is what we do. So we use a dumb Muslim. We'll get a dumb Muslim who's easily brainwashable and we'll have them carry out an attack as a catalyst for us to go into war, go into war in Iran. And then, oh, this guy's Iran. This guy's an Iranian? Ah, there you go.

• 1:13:41Tucker Carlson?

  Or a dumb Palestinian Christian like Sirhan Sirhan, just throwing that out.

• 1:13:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:13:45Tucker Carlson?

  Excuse me.

• 1:13:46Speaker 02

  Right, exactly. So we will use a patsy and that will be the catalyst. Do you see what they did in, you know, in Wayne, Michigan? Did you see what they did? There was a, there was a, you know, carrying out this attack. By the way, these accounts, as soon as we attacked the nuclear sites, almost immediately, there were videos being surfaced and flooded on social media about like Islamists running towards subways in New York City.

• 1:14:10Tucker Carlson?

  This is so reckless and dangerous. It's so immoral.

• 1:14:14Speaker 02

  But so profitable, Tucker. So much money they'll make off of this.

• 1:14:18Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, I think Mark Levin and Barry Weiss, you know, whatever. I mean, these are people who just really just don't care at all. Okay. But there are other people here, Lindsey Graham, who everyone hates Lindsey Graham, but I always say this and I mean it. Once absolutely delightful person, delightful person, hilarious, nice. Like he's not in person. He's not some kind of monster at all. He's like fun guy to have dinner with, which I have done. What's he thinking? Does, does part of him think, geez, you know, a lot of people could die? Like I'm, like when they die, do I feel bad about it?

• 1:14:51Speaker 02

  It's an unpatriotic question, Tucker.

• 1:14:53Tucker Carlson?

  No, but like this is so reckless.

• 1:14:56Speaker 02

  Question. Like, how can you, how dare?

• 1:14:58Tucker Carlson?

  Really thinks that?

• 1:15:00Speaker 02

  I don't think he's, I think he's so bought and paid for by the military industrial complex, how much money he's made from the military industrial complex.

• 1:15:09Tucker Carlson?

  Even people are dying?

• 1:15:10Speaker 02

  I don't think they care at all. They're in a bubble.

• 1:15:12Tucker Carlson?

  Man.

• 1:15:12Speaker 02

  I don't think they care at all. And

• 1:15:14Tucker Carlson?

  Do they don't think at some point they're gonna have to answer for this?

• 1:15:17Speaker 02

  Maybe in the afterlife they will, but because it always happens over there.

• 1:15:21Tucker Carlson?

  We don't live that long. Like, human lifespan's pretty short. I don't know, you're really rolling the dice with this kind of stuff. I mean, maybe there's no God, and, you know, it's fine, and like, the guy who dies richest wins, I guess, maybe, but what if you're, what if, you know, the Blaise Pascal formula is like, right? Like, why would you, why would you risk that?

• 1:15:41Speaker 02

  He's only risking like purgatory for a few, few thousand years, and then he'll, you know, eventually get shut it off one way or the other. But it's incredibly profitable.

• 1:15:49Tucker Carlson?

  Like, if somebody sent you $10 million to say that, you know, Firestone tires are better than Bridgestone tires, assuming they're not the same company, which I think they may be, but whatever.

• 1:15:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:15:58Tucker Carlson?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:00Tucker Carlson?

  You'd be like, okay, I'm for Firestone now, $10 million. But if someone sent you $10 million, or $100 million, or $10 billion to say something was untrue that you knew would get people killed, you want $10 billion, but you'd be like, oh, I don't know, I can't, that's not a good idea. Kind of rolling with, like, my soul here.

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  But these people are soulless, and they're not going to ask these tough questions. They're not going to challenge this. As you and I talked about last night, I'm thinking of that Upton Sinclair quote, where he said, what you, it's, uh, it's

• 1:16:30Tucker Carlson?

  Hard to convince a man of something he's paid not to see.

• 1:16:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, if you're paying, if you're on the salary, if he's being paid to not see it, if your whole salary relies on knowing something.

• 1:16:42Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, that's right.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  You know, or not knowing something. You know, it's difficult. So all these, you know, different anchors on these different television, they, they want the prestige of being on TV and having people like put makeup on them and all of that, and they, they rely on that contract, they rely on that salary. And then i- if they don't have that, they go off and try to do things like what, like Don Lemon did, or whatever. And if you're part of that machine, no one wants to watch your stuff. You know?

• 1:17:06Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  Because, well, you, for, for 10 years, you were a liar? So now you're gonna go off and do an independent show, and now, and now we're gonna watch you and trust you? Like, you were lying for money for so many years.

• 1:17:19Tucker Carlson?

  No, it's right.

• 1:17:19Speaker 02

  Pushing a narrative, and now you're gonna go off, we're not gonna watch it. So I just find it so

• 1:17:27Tucker Carlson?

  No, it's such a good point.

• 1:17:29Speaker 02

  It's the same argument that they used in 2002, that it's an existential threat to the United States of America, that Saddam Hussein is going to use intercontinental ballistic missiles. He's gonna gather a warhead with anthrax, he's gonna shoot, you know, he's gonna shoot it into some mall somewhere. So that's the fear, right? They're gonna, they're playing on our fear that we are going to be attacked by Iran. And we're, they don't have an intercontinental ballistic missile to hit us. Don't forget, just don't let the facts get in the way. They actually don't have a nuclear warhead. They don't have the reentry mechanism to even make that happen. But we need to be fearful of it. Like, I don't wake up fearful of Iran in the morning. Maybe I'm dumb. You know, maybe I'm an idiot, and I should. That should

• 1:18:11Speaker 02

  be the first thing that I do when I wake up in the morning, not like the trend de Aragua gang down the street. I should be more worried about Iran is going to attack me. And by the way, why would they attack us?

• 1:18:22Tucker Carlson?

  I know.

• 1:18:23Speaker 02

  Like, why, why aren't they attacking Sweden right now? If they hate our freedoms, why aren't they attacking Norway right now? Why would they attack us? If we get the, if we get the hell out of there, maybe we wouldn't, maybe we wouldn't have these problems. If we wouldn't build these bases in their backyard. If we wouldn't meddle in trying to decapitate their leadership and overthrow and install a pro-Western government and tell them to open McDonald's. But we can't, we seem like we're so addicted to doing it. And we thought under Trump that this would be a realignment. We're not going to do this.

• 1:18:59Tucker Carlson?

  Well, the whole, the whole game has been to manipulate the president, of course. And, you know, I think that's true with any president. I mean, that's, that's the seat of power. So of course, a lot of people are interested in, you know, moving in their direction. I get it. You know, it's all, it's not surprising. It's not even offensive. It's just the way things are. I'm just offended watching these people who I know personally, and I know for a fact they hate Trump. The Murdochs really hate Trump. There's no one who hates Trump more than the Murdochs. I mean, I got fired in April of 2023. In May of 2023, they asked me to run for president against Trump and said they would back me. Obviously, I'm not going to run for any, you know, I would never get elected to any, plus I like Trump. The funny thing is, I actually genuinely, I get frustrated. I'm frustrated now.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  So, hold on. I'm sorry. You just said that and people buy, I mean, they asked you to run for president against Trump, the Murdoch.

• 1:19:52Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lachlan Murdoch said, you should run for president. We'll back you. The whole, the whole thing, the whole.

• 1:19:57Speaker 02

  The whole Fox News apparatus.

• 1:19:58Tucker Carlson?

  And not just Fox, but you know, Wall Street Journal.

• 1:20:01Speaker 02

  All of their papers, everything.

• 1:20:02Tucker Carlson?

  Absolutely. Yeah, we'll back you.

• 1:20:03Speaker 02

  And that came right from.

• 1:20:04Tucker Carlson?

  You should do that. I was already gone. They'd already canceled my show. I was still under contract, but they canceled my show. You should run. We support you. You should run.

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  We want to stop Trump.

• 1:20:12Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. Well, he was running. It was like, and, and first of all, I like Trump and I thought DeSantis was kind of promising. And then he signed some hate speech bill out of the country. And I was like, ooh, you're a betrayer. Like, that's so offensive to me. I can't even, any hate speech bill is so offensive to me. Can't criminalize opinions.

• 1:20:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:20:32Tucker Carlson?

  What? Criminalize violence, which they don't. And I like DeSantis, but that was, I was, I was like, no, I can't. That's so a violation of my principles. And I really, I, I've always liked Trump despite getting frustrated as I do with everyone I love. We get frustrated, but I always liked the guy a lot and I still do. Anyway, but whatever. And also, I couldn't get elected to anything and I don't want to be elected to anything. It's not my world. I'm not in zero interest. I've never had any interest. But he looked at me, oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. At dinner, you, you should run. And, and I was like, I don't, that's not my world. Like, I'm an opinion guy. I can sit behind a mic and tell you what I think. And that's what I've done my whole life. It's what I want to do. It's all I'm qualified to do. And he's like, no, no, no, you should do that.

• 1:21:17Tucker Carlson?

  That's a fact. So that's fine. I mean, lots of people dislike Trump. It just bothers me that this channel run and staffed by Trump haters, they're not all Trump haters. Again, Sean Hannity likes Trump. Good for him. For real, he does. And there are a few other people there who like Trump, but most people hate Trump. They wouldn't allow Trump on my show, period. Like, Trump would call in what they call a beeper or a phoner, you know? I mean, we had him on our show all the time.

• 1:21:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:21:47Tucker Carlson?

  They're like, nope, not doing that. I did an interview in April of 2023, right with Trump at Mar-a-Lago, right before I got canned, like, a week before I got canned. And they were furious that I talked to Trump in that interview.

• 1:22:00Speaker 02

  Because they didn't want him being promoted.

• 1:22:04Tucker Carlson?

  And I don't know that it's personal. They just dislike his views. They dislike his views on economics. They dislike his views on foreign policy, and they're very serious about it. So, again, that's fine. You can disagree. You're allowed to disagree. I believe in disagreement, sincere disagreement. I'm just blown away that those same people are like, no, no, we're here with MAGA. We're policing MAGA. You're not MAGA, says Mark Levin or whatever his name is. It's like, are you serious?

• 1:22:35Speaker 02

  And they were supporting DeSantis. I mean, they were up until the primary.

• 1:22:38Tucker Carlson?

  Mark Levin hates Trump. So like, which is, again, that's fine. I'm not attacking him. I believe that everyone is allowed to come to his own conclusions about everything. Because I believe that people have souls. They're not slaves or animals or machines. They are autonomous beings created by God, and so they're allowed and have to be allowed to come to their own conclusions. And all conclusions are legal. I'm not the one who's trying to criminalize opinions, as they have done in Europe and are trying to do here. I reject that. But Mark Levin is on the other side, Levin. And, but for him to be like, oh, I just love Trump and Trump's the man if you're a true paper. No, you're a Trump hater, and so are your bosses, and so are your colleagues.

• 1:23:19Tucker Carlson?

  And Jen Griffin, you're a Trump hater. It just drives me bonkers because it's a lie. It's fake. That's the part that bothers me. I have much more respect for, I don't know, just some sincere lefty who's like, yeah, I don't like Trump now. I didn't like him then. I disagree. Like, that just seems straightforward and...

• 1:23:39Tucker Carlson?

  Sort of manly to me. This just seems totally creepy like Ted Cruz like, oh, I love Trump.

• 1:23:45Speaker 02

  And sycophantic.

• 1:23:46Tucker Carlson?

  Totally.

• 1:23:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, that it's always. Yeah, it's always. That's always bothered me. The, you know, the sycophantic kid, you know, ass kissing on the air. But then the other part of it is that you know that Trump watches Fox all day.

• 1:24:00Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:00Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:24:02Tucker Carlson?

  Well, they know that. That's why they're doing.

• 1:24:03Speaker 02

  They know that.

• 1:24:04Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know.

• 1:24:04Speaker 02

  So when they start an hour of a broadcast and say, Trump just carried out the most magnificent attack in American history on nuclear sites. Trump's sitting there watching it. Oh, yeah, I did that. So it's like feeding this ego. It's like a weird loop. I don't understand it.

• 1:24:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  It's gonna be very interesting when these.

• 1:24:24Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, I do understand it. It's like, this is the same reason people check their Twitter mentions or whatever they call it, or Google themselves, something I've never done. But, um, I don't, I don't approve of it. I think it's bad. I think it makes you more insecure when you look to other people for approval, people you don't know. Who cares what people you don't know think of you?

• 1:24:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:24:44Tucker Carlson?

  It's so weird to me. But anyway, but I think, you know, it's a super tough call right now. He's under, the president's under enormous pressure from outside the White House, from donors and

• 1:24:58Tucker Carlson?

  etc. And I think it's natural for people to seek affirmation. The problem is that you don't, you know, you don't want to be

• 1:25:07Tucker Carlson?

  unduly influenced by flattery. I think that's a, just for all of us, that's a weakness that all of us have. And I think you need to approach flatterers with hostility.

• 1:25:17Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 1:25:17Tucker Carlson?

  Flattery is way more dangerous than criticism.

• 1:25:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. And people often ignore the flattery part and just soak it in. So it's very easy to get like a thousand comments that are praising you. We love you, Tucker. You're amazing. And then there's like one negative really goes after you, calls you whatever, and you can dwell on that and lose sleep over that.

• 1:25:38Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:38Speaker 02

  But maybe the more insidious and more dangerous, or the thousand love comments.

• 1:25:43Tucker Carlson?

  Worse.

• 1:25:44Speaker 02

  Cause you know.

• 1:25:44Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, there's a kind of, I mean, again, there's false

• 1:25:50Tucker Carlson?

  criticism. You work for Qatar. Okay, right. But like, there's also legitimate criticism, which I think is really important to hear. I seek it always. I try to, I want to anyway. But flattery is the most deceptive of all. It's the most insidious, it's the most dangerous. It's, it shows the least respect to you. Somebody flatters you has no respect for you at all.

• 1:26:14Speaker 02

  If you were going to try to bring the conversation back to like a non emotional level with what's going on there. Where would you go?

• 1:26:22Tucker Carlson?

  How's America doing? It's really simple. How's America doing? Countries defined by its cities. Go to our 10 biggest cities, walk around, spend a day in each. How's it, how's it, how's it going? Doing a good job or leaders doing a pretty good job? That's a fucking disaster. It is. And I live in, you know, rural pockets that are great because they're more like the country was in the eighties.

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:43Tucker Carlson?

  But that's not the country. The country is its cities.

• 1:26:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:26:46Tucker Carlson?

  Any country. I mean, in fact, there weren't even countries until fairly recently. There were cities. I mean, that's Rome was a city. We controlled the world.

• 1:26:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:26:55Tucker Carlson?

  The idea of a nation state is a pretty new concept. No, cities matter. They really matter. I hate them. I don't go to them because they're terrible.

• 1:27:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:27:04Tucker Carlson?

  So I would just say the pressing problem in America is the condition of its cities. Cause that is America.

• 1:27:08Speaker 02

  It's not Iran with an intercontinental ballistic missile coming.

• 1:27:12Tucker Carlson?

  No, it's not Iran. It's also not Malibu or Jackson Hole or the weird little pockets where I live. It's not. It's New York, Chicago, LA. It is. It's Atlanta. It's Minneapolis. It's.

• 1:27:23Speaker 02

  Have you seen Sunset Boulevard recently?

• 1:27:25Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:27:27Speaker 02

  I just did an interview with someone who grew up in Hollywood and, you know, Hollywood's collapsing. But Sunset Boulevard, all the big stores are closed.

• 1:27:35Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, seen, oh, seen actual the Sunset Boulevard in Los Angeles.

• 1:27:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, not like the.

• 1:27:40Tucker Carlson?

  The east west artery that defines the city.

• 1:27:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:27:42Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know it very well.

• 1:27:44Speaker 02

  It's like all these classic stores, 80 year old restaurants, closed up.

• 1:27:48Tucker Carlson?

  In Hollywood? Oh.

• 1:27:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:51Tucker Carlson?

  Lucio and Franks is like, yeah, that whole area. No, I know that area really well. And I, I grew up for a time in my childhood right there and I, and I love it.

• 1:27:59Speaker 02

  San Francisco, go to Union Square.

• 1:28:03Tucker Carlson?

  I went there with my great grandmother who was survived the 1906 earthquake in San Francisco, went to Gump's with her as a child over Christmas. I'll never forget how charming Union Square was and I was born there. And I was, I was there the spring and I was like coming down off Nobstang and Nob Hill, come down, Union Square. And I was just like, ah, my heart broke. Yeah. So, so that's, that's the problem. It's really simple. And you mentioned to someone like Ted Cruz, or I mean, Mark Levin and Barry Weiss are like, what? They don't even know what you're talking about. They don't care. Yeah. They have no interest in America at all. But, but, but some of these people, I mean, certainly Lindsey Graham, he should care. He doesn't.

• 1:28:41Speaker 02

  But again, it's Upton Sinclair, right? If you're, it's very difficult to get someone to understand something or care if their entire salary depends on them not caring. So his entire salary, the money that he makes from all of these lobbying groups, all the military industrial complex, funds his mania, his wanting to, you know, decapitate Putin, regime change in Russia, regime change in Iran, doing the bidding of all of these, you know, all of these, all of these foreign countries, doing the bidding of military industrial complex, which stands to make a lot of money. Wouldn't it be amazing if we could, that truly, like, you brought up a great point the other day, but that trillion dollar budget

• 1:29:25Speaker 02

  that we now have for the military industrial complex, like, why do we not have the materiel to protect ourselves? Like, if you think with that kind of budget?

• 1:29:35Tucker Carlson?

  I don't know. Ask Jen Griffin. Shut up. You hate the military. You love Iran. You love our enemies. Yeah, no, it's so, it's so frustrating. And again, I don't love Iran. I don't hate Israel. I really am angry at the people who abandoned their own country, who are in positions of responsibility in their nation, the nation of their birth, and just abandoned it. I look on them as I, as I view a father who abandoned his family with true contempt. I don't care how hot she was. I don't care how bad your drinking problem was. I don't care what your excuse was. You left your family. And I just, I, I, I have total contempt for that. By the way, that's not even considered bad now.

• 1:30:11Speaker 02

  Right. No, it's encouraged. Like, I mean,

• 1:30:14Tucker Carlson?

  You abandoned your children. That's cool.

• 1:30:16Speaker 02

  I mean, I was in a Barnes and Noble the other day. And I haven't been in one of those in a long time, like a big bookstore.

• 1:30:22Tucker Carlson?

  That still exists?

• 1:30:23Speaker 02

  It still exists.

• 1:30:24Tucker Carlson?

  Where?

• 1:30:24Speaker 02

  Uh, it was in, uh, outside of Denver, Colorado.

• 1:30:28Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 1:30:29Speaker 02

  And I used to love going to buy, would sit there for hours and just read books, get a coffee. And that's how I did my, most of my studying at the University of Pittsburgh was the Barnes and Noble down the street and I loved it. I loved being around books. I loved, you know, that environment. But my wife and I went, she's like, oh my God, I gotta get out of here. Like all of little tables for like, you know, gender studies or gen, you know? And then there was the whole family. This really stunned us. The whole family section

• 1:30:54Speaker 02

  was not about like how to improve your marriage or have a

• 1:30:57Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:58Speaker 02

  better family. It was all how to get divorced.

• 1:31:02Tucker Carlson?

  How to get divorced. Next to how to kill yourself aisle.

• 1:31:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. That's exactly what, and they, of course they pushed this and this is what they want. You know, they don't want us to have a strong nuclear family. They don't want us to have strong neighbors, friendships in the neighborhood. They want us to, you know, they want, they want women to say they don't need men. You get rid of, get rid of men in your life.

• 1:31:25Tucker Carlson?

  Men.

• 1:31:28Tucker Carlson?

  It's, it's, yeah, it's, so these, I guess, I mean, I have an opinions and everything you said, but I don't want to keep repeating myself like an old person, but I guess I would just say we have a lot of problems, like real, real problems, not just inflation or GDP or like actual systemic problems to, to steal a term that they love. And, um, you know, anything that, that diverts attention from that, it seems really bad.

• 1:31:54Speaker 02

  So this is the madness that I, this is another part of my rage because I watched the, the economic numbers also.

• 1:32:02Speaker 02

  I'm not an economist. Play one on television.

• 1:32:05Tucker Carlson?

  I am. I remember when I graduated from HBS and went to the New York Fed just for five years as an internship and thinking I could make this a career, but I instead went into cable news.

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. You could have worked at the Treasury, but you

• 1:32:18Speaker 02

  excuse me. So if you think about right now, what would devastate the United States of America? It's, is it an intercontinental ballistic missile? No, no. What would devastate the United States of America would be $5 gasoline. So have we thought about that? Because when I heard them come out on TV the other night, say, we've thought through every possible scenario as a, as an attack against us after we launched these attacks on these nuclear sites. We've, we've gamed out everything were their words. We've gamed out everything. Did you game out that the Iranian parliament just voted to close the Straits of Hormuz? Did you figure that part of it out? Because I remember in 2022, under Biden, when gas hit $5.01,

• 1:33:03Speaker 02

  we, you had people filling up the flatbed of their truck with tarps with gasoline because they were in panic mode. Biden literally emptied the strategic oil reserves as a response. Inflation went over 9%. Uh, the CPI number went over 9%, which is the Consumer Price Index, which means how much are people paying for their groceries? How much gas prices are included in the CPI number? $5. Closing the Straits of Hormuz could put oil or gas prices in the United States between $7 and $10.

• 1:33:37Tucker Carlson?

  It's only 20% of the world's petroleum flows through there. Not a big deal.

• 1:33:42Speaker 02

  Have we thought about this? Have we thought about how everything that we're doing right now? The lights on, the food that we get on our tables is as, would be affected by this in a massive way? I mean, the only, you know, the only silver lining is that also China relies on the Straits of Hormuz, you know, in a, in a very large way.

• 1:34:02Tucker Carlson?

  Luckily, they don't play the long game though. So it's not a, not a concern. I'm sure their day traders just like us.

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  So China just can't flip on that Siberian oil pipeline to Russia. Hey, we need instead of the 800,000 barrels a day that we normally get from you, like, let's crank it up to three. You, you okay with that Putin? Do you think that they have a relationship? The BRICS nations have a relationship to soften this?

• 1:34:23Tucker Carlson?

  They do now.

• 1:34:26Tucker Carlson?

  So what, um, boy, you're making me sad. Uh, so I'm gonna end on Clayton, it's so great to see you.

• 1:34:33Speaker 02

  It's great.

• 1:34:33Tucker Carlson?

  So, um, let me end on what I hope is a hopeful note. So both of us worked in television our whole lives were, well, you left voluntarily because you're smarter than I am, but, um, I was expelled like a hairball from the system and, um,

• 1:34:50Tucker Carlson?

  so you've been out, how long? What year did you leave?

• 1:34:54Speaker 02

  2017. So eight years ago.

• 1:34:56Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 1:34:57Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 1:34:58Tucker Carlson?

  I've been out two years. My head is starting to clear. I feel better.

• 1:35:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:02Tucker Carlson?

  I feel like a much younger man, but, um, what's the, what's the future of that, of that business? So that medium?

• 1:35:08Speaker 02

  Well, I think it's collapsing in real time. And I've, I said that while I was there.

• 1:35:13Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:14Speaker 02

  That this idea that people are going to pay for a cable subscription in order to get their CNN or Rachel Maddow or Sean Hannity, like that's dying and that audience is dying with them. I don't know if you've ever watched Fox in the afternoon. It's all ads for hip replacement or like, don't fall out of your shower stalls because you're elderly. So they know their audience. They know it's aging out. The joke back when I was at Fox was that, oh, CBS's audience is like 90. It was like 75 at the time, but I'm just being exaggerating. So now those people are in their 90s. That audience is not getting any younger. Again,

• 1:35:59Speaker 02

  I don't know anybody watching right now who's buying a cable box when they go to Xfinity or Comcast and they're, they're starting out. They're like a young couple. They're in their twenties. They want to have children. They don't even know what a cable box is. So they're going now, maybe with like, you know,

• 1:36:17Tucker Carlson?

  They'll buy a phonograph, but not a cable box.

• 1:36:19Speaker 02

  And they, a lot of this is like shifted over to like YouTube TV and things like that, you know, things. So, I mean, there'll be people that'll still flip through, but I think it's, uh, those era of like those massive salaries and everyone's kind of, I think that era is gone.

• 1:36:33Tucker Carlson?

  So I think you just answered the question that's been bothering me for the past month, which is why do old people love killing so much? And I love old people. I'm not one of those people who hates the elderly. I love the elderly. My favorite person, my dad was elderly when he died in 84. So I'm not, I've always thought we should respect our elders. My whole life I've thought that. That's why I'm conservative. But in the last month, it's like every old person I come into contact with is like, let's just kill them like thoughtlessly, just kill people. And it's like, you're going to face judgment really soon. Should you really be calling for killing people in your final days here? I always think that, I never say it. But why is that?

• 1:37:13Tucker Carlson?

  And I do think it's at least in part the result of watching this filth. And it is filth. It's, it's

• 1:37:21Speaker 02

  Wall to wall.

• 1:37:21Tucker Carlson?

  It's filth.

• 1:37:22Speaker 02

  They don't turn it off.

• 1:37:23Tucker Carlson?

  It's worse than pornography. It's disgusting. Keith Kellogg talking about killing people. Keith Kellogg is a complete idiot. I know Keith Kellogg is like truly stupid. The idiot, Keith Kellogg could have any influence over anything. It's like shocking, totally ignorant. Just enthusiastic about killing and reckless and just, oh, not, not qualified to drive my car. And I'm like, how, who are these people? And why are old people so into killing? I honestly think it's because they're watching it.

• 1:37:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. And you and I know this to be true, which is that I think even Roger Ailes told us that the reason Fox and Friends in the morning would do so well is because the people at night would leave their TV on, set to that channel. And then wake up and it was the first thing would click on to that show. And then they leave it on all day. I've heard from so many viewers over the years that are like, oh, my parents would just turn it on and they would leave it run all day. It's just kind of like a noise in the background. So every hour, doesn't matter what panel show it is with four people sitting there on a couch or one person hosting a show. When 80% of your guests are pro-war and the entire narrative all day is about how Trump

• 1:38:34Speaker 02

  is amazing and carried out the most spectacular attack on Ameri-, you know, on, in the Middle East since we've, since Normandy.

• 1:38:43Speaker 02

  Then they're just sucking that in. We, I, that Barnes and Noble the other day, I met an old gentleman, lovely guy. And I was in the history section and he just started chatting and we just started chatting and talking to my wife and he said, yeah, you know, I'm really concerned about, you know, Iran getting this nuclear weapon, Iran getting this nuclear weapon and, um, you know, and, uh, we said, do you know that Israel has a nuclear weapon, right? He said, what? I've never heard that. Is that true? And he's like, well, you know, I just watched, I just have it on the news on, they just tell me that Iran, you know, it's, we gotta be worried about Iran.

• 1:39:18Speaker 02

  So do you, do you ever hear them talking about that Israel has an entire nuclear weapons program? That JFK pushed them for inspections and then pushed and pushed and pushed Ben Gurion for inspections and then was assassinated? Not saying they're related. Eisenhower warned JFK about it? Like this goes back to the 60s. Why don't we know about this? So this guy, because he's watching this like spoon fed propaganda all day, doesn't know any of that.

• 1:39:44Tucker Carlson?

  Clayton Morris, ladies and gentlemen.

• 1:39:46Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:39:46Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you.

• 1:39:51Tucker Carlson?

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