Bonus: Tupac Murder Sentencing and Losing My Religion

For Tim Lambesis, life begins and ends with himself and his band, As I Lay Dying. We go into faith-based music and discuss the sentencing of Duane “Keffe D” Davis, closing a chapter on a 30 year book. And as always, your voicemails, texts, dms, and emails and more. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:42Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand, the after-party.

• 2:08Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard, to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myths, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we are talking about the Christian metal scene as it pertains to As I Lay Dying in this week's full episode on Tim Lambesis, previewing our episode on Alice Cooper, the one and only Alice Cooper here in the Halloween season. As always, we're going to get into your emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. DisgraceLand is where I tell the stories, you'll end up telling someone else.

• 2:51Jake Brennan?

  All right, Discos, let's get into it.

• 3:03Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, welcome into the after-party. So we're talking about Tim Lambesis from As I Lay Dying this week. Obviously, this guy is full of shit. Complete fraud. Frauds are the theme this week. Guy clearly wasn't Christian, wasn't living up to the Christian and spiritual and religious tenets and aesthetic of his band. And it was, it was an act to help As I Lay Dying gain popularity in the Christian metal scene. Now, this has had me thinking. I just wrote the Jared Leto episode of DisgraceLand that comes out in a couple of weeks.

• 3:42Jake Brennan?

  Prior to that, I wrote the Reggie Watts episode, and we're producing that one now. And that comes out in a couple of weeks as well. And like with Tim Lambesis from As I Lay Dying, as I'm putting together these other stories, I'm thinking about frauds. And Reggie Watts was this dude who turns out wasn't who we thought he was. Doesn't mean that he killed his ex-girlfriend, as the most extreme of his detractors would allege.

• 4:19Jake Brennan?

  But he clearly is not the cuddly, creative, psycho not, harmless, intellectual, who he puts himself across as. He's clearly something else, and you're going to hear all about that in that episode. And he's kind of phony and full of shit in a lot of ways, I believe. Jared Leto, on the other hand, may just be the dude we always thought he was. And I could kind of just like, I guess, being that person out in the open to a degree. There's this thing too, which is really interesting with irony, where if you come at whatever the thing is that you're most afraid of being accused of with irony, and you kind of make a joke of it, or with humor, you kind of make a joke of it, it's hard

• 5:02Jake Brennan?

  then to be accused of that thing. And that's the whole Jared Leto thing with the cult. Yes, it's a cult when referring to 30 Seconds to Mars and Camp Mars and all that stuff. But anyways, that's, the point is frauds are on the brain here in my sort of creative world. This other thing I have in the brain regarding Tim Lambesis and As I Lay Dying and faith, I read this book, I've got it right here, it's a great little book. It's written during COVID. It's by Martin Scorsese with Antonio Spadaro. It's called Conversations on Faith apropos of Tim Lambesis in As I Lay Dying. And Scorsese says this thing in this book that really made me stand up and take note.

• 5:46Jake Brennan?

  He says that creative people create out of a desire to better understand the world they're living in. And that's so, so true. And I think about what we do here in DisgraceLand and the stories that we tell. Perfect example, again, As I Lay Dying, Tim Lambesis, but more so the Christian metal scene. Zeth and I really wanted to understand this world. We don't know the world. This story's been out there forever. It's not, we're not breaking any news, that's not what we do here. But we wanted to understand it. I'm not like a huge Reggie Watts fan. Some of the, some of the folks who work at Double Elvis are.

• 6:31Jake Brennan?

  I'm not particularly interested in him as an artist. I kind of am. I'm more interested in knowing what the hell happened. How this guy who presented himself as one thing was clearly something else, and the result is completely tragic, the death of his ex-girlfriend. It just, I really, really wanted to get to how that happened, maybe even why that happened. Same thing with Jared Leto. Artists create out of a desire to understand the world around them. Real artists, like Martin Scorsese.

• 7:15Jake Brennan?

  To what extent Jared Leto creates to understand the world around him? I don't know. Even after spending two weeks inside that story, putting that episode together for you guys, which again will be out in a couple of weeks, to what extent Reggie Watts creates to better understand the world around him? I have a better idea than I do with Jared Leto. So much of what Jared Leto does, even artistically, strikes me as phony. Specifically, as we're talking about music, we're talking about 30 Seconds to Mars. We talk about his acting, which I think he's a better actor than he is a musician. It's, it's hard for me to understand beyond his own narcissism and his own sense of self

• 7:59Jake Brennan?

  and id and ego and all of that, what exactly Jared Leto is trying to figure out through the roles that he plays, the majority of them. Perhaps as Rayon in Dallas Buyers Club, he was really trying to figure out what life was like for somebody like Rayon, who is a particular, who was a particularly unique in original character, to be portrayed specifically at that time when that film came out, especially, I should say, not specifically. So these artists all fascinate me, and their motivations fascinate me as well. Especially when I think about what we're doing here and why we're doing it, as we're thinking about what stories we're going to be telling in the new year.

• 8:42Jake Brennan?

  Artists create to better understand the world around them. When it comes to faith, when it comes to Tim Lambesis, it's particularly appalling when you're, when you're fraud, when you're fraudulently leading these people along and having them just, you know, you're just, you're just bullshitting your way through your art. I find that to be particularly gross. At least the damage that Reggie Watts has, is alleged to have brought, comes from, I feel like, a place of, I guess he's being true to himself in some way. I mean, he is this sort of psycho not, psychedelic ketamine advocate who has a handle on drugs

• 9:26Jake Brennan?

  or at least proclaims to have a handle on drugs in a way that, that guide him and help him and, and really have designed his worldview. Now, is there collateral damage there? Sure. But I do think to some extent Reggie Watts, unlike Tim Lambesis, is creating to better understand the world around him. And that's something, even if the guy is a creep. But as I got into this book I mentioned before, and I know I'm all over the place here, but I'm going to make this point. Thanks for staying with me. This is Martin Scorsese with Father Antonio Spadaro, Conversations on Faith book, which I really highly recommend. It's very short, and there's a little Scorsese script at the end, an unreleased film script at the end of this book, which is great.

• 10:11Jake Brennan?

  In this, in this book, as I was reading it, I started to think about... Scorsese in relation to Tim Lambesis from As I Lay Dying. And I listened to As I Lay Dying, and none of it strikes me as particularly compelling. Obviously, Martin Scorsese is a horse of a completely different color. And when I look at something like The Last Temptation of Christ, a movie which quite literally almost killed Martin Scorsese, and where he's trying to really say something, he's really trying to look at the duality, not only of man, but specifically of Jesus

• 10:50Jake Brennan?

  Christ, of this, of this consubstantial God slash human, this, this entity that has to deal with both his, the failings of being a man, and the, the power of being a God, and how to live as both those things, that duality, the good and the bad, the good and the evil. And it's Scorsese trying to figure out himself. I mean, that's exactly what this is, how he's a great, how he can be a great artist and, you know, a terrible husband, or whatever. I'm putting words into his mouth, but I'm sure this is the type of thing that's going on in his head. And he starts to look at musicians from history, somebody we're going to be releasing an episode on, I believe, next week, Alice Cooper.

• 11:35Jake Brennan?

  Alice Cooper, you know, all this dark, evil imagery, Christian. You look at Slayer. Wow, what are the dudes in Slayer? It's Catholic. I can't remember which one. You look at Black Sabbath, Ozzy Osbourne, Christian. And, you know, Black Sabbath's music, heavy and dark, these themes. I mean, just the name, Black Sabbath, they had literal Satanists following them around on tour in the seventies, trying to recruit them. And what you have in the music is Ozzy Osbourne trying to figure out his own faith, which was really strong, and really significant, and really sincere, and not what you would think. And

• 12:17Jake Brennan?

  that contrast is fascinating to me, truly is. Somebody like Tim Lambesis, though, he bores me, because he's, he's just, once, once the veil is lifted, there's, there's just, there's not much there besides the fraud. And it's really gross, and it's really disgusting, and I feel bad for his fans. I truly do. I'm not sure what I learned about myself and the telling of this story. Zeth wrote it, so he's a little more connected to it via the writing than I am via the production. But at least it got me thinking more deeply about the sincerity that an artist should aspire to, not just for their

• 12:59Jake Brennan?

  audience, but for themselves, to help them better figure out the world, help them better figure out how to exist in this world, how to better figure out how to defend against the trauma that this world can bring, and how to be a better person for your fellow humans, walk through this world with a better understanding, not just of yourself, but of other people. And that condition, that human condition there at the core of all this storytelling, for me, endlessly compelling. Here we are nine, nine years in, nine years in, almost, where eight will be nine. I'm saying nine, because we're currently figuring out the episodes that we're going to be telling next year. Zeth and I just got into

• 13:40Jake Brennan?

  a great conversation, you're going to hear it later, on fraudsters in music history, from music history. You can hear this story later, if you become an All Access member of Disgrace Land, or if you already are, excuse me, in the exclusive section of this after-party. And it unlocked for us some great stories that we're probably going to get into and tell next year, stories that I wasn't aware of, or that I knew a little bit about, but not a lot of it about. Now I know more about it, and I'm excited to dive in and bring them to you. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an All Access member to unlock this exclusive content, plus ad-free content, and you'll be able to hear this conversation. Also, Zeth, if you're listening, and I know you are, I meant

• 14:23Jake Brennan?

  to mention this when we were talking, but we have yet to set a date for all of you guys, to get in on a Zoom and go through, kick around some ideas for episodes that we're going to program for next year. We've got to do that soon. We've got to come up with a date. We'll be doing that in the coming, coming days/week. And we'll talk about it first on Patreon, but we'll also be talking about it here in the after-party. Appreciate all of you guys. All right, As I Lay Dying, in the feed this week, that's our latest full episode of Disgrace Land. If you haven't heard it, and you want a little taste, here you go. Tim Lambesis, he walked into a Barnes and Noble in Oceanside, California, and he found this dude named Red. He'd never seen Red before. Red was a fixer. Red was

• 15:05Jake Brennan?

  a problem solver. Red was the guy who did the dirty work, and got paid for doing the dirty work. Okay, Tim Lambesis paid Red $1,000 in cash. This $1,000 was a down payment for Tim Lambesis to get rid of his wife. He wanted Red to kill his wife. Tim Lambesis, singer of Christian metal band As I Lay Dying. When Tim was speaking with Red, he was careful. He didn't use words that would incriminate him, at least for the beginning of the conversation. At the end of the conversation, he couldn't help himself. He turned to Red and he said, "Hey, just to clarify, just so you know, I want her dead." That was on May 7, 2013,

• 15:46Jake Brennan?

  and that was the day that Tim Lambesis discovered that the man that he knew as Red was actually an undercover San Diego County Sheriff's deputy. So, that's a little bit of the As I Lay Dying story for you. If you want to know more about the Christian metalcore scene, then this episode on As I Lay Dying will have your jaw on the floor. That's top of your feed right now. Coming up next in your feed, right after this episode, in our rewind episode this Sunday, is our story on Michael Alegg and the Club Kids from the 1990s. Now, in 1996, Michael Alegg, quote unquote, "King of the Club Kids," told anyone who would listen, that he killed his friend, and nobody believed him, despite what Michael

• 16:29Jake Brennan?

  was saying. Michael's parties, they were the most decadent in Manhattan, including one specific party called Blood Feast, where Michael showed up covered in someone else's blood. So, when he said he killed his drug dealer and friend, Angel Melendez, and stuffed him in a box, everybody figured that Michael was just putting him on, that it was another bit. Everybody except Village Voice columnist, Michael Musto. Musto? Musto? Musto. You say Musto, I say Musto. Michael Musto knew where Michael Alegg lived, on the corner of narcissism and drugged-out madness. So, Michael Musto took a chance, and he published a blind item on this story. Page six picked that item up, and suddenly, Michael Alegg was having

• 17:10Jake Brennan?

  to defend the fact that he was alleged to have killed Angel Melendez. Michael Alegg called it a prank. Detectives closed in on Michael Alegg, and found him holed up in a New Jersey hotel, trying to escape justice. Alegg pleaded guilty to manslaughter, served 16 years, eventually called me on the telephone to tell me how upset he was at me for calling him a murderer, when in fact, he was just somebody who was guilty of manslaughter. If you want to know more about Michael Alegg's infamous days on the New York City club scene, be sure to check out this rewind episode of the Disgrace Land podcast. That's coming up next, right after this after-party. And then next week, we've got Alice Cooper.

• 17:51Jake Brennan?

  Listen, when you're, when you're taking in this Alice Cooper episode, be thinking about second acts in rock and roll. And let us know, what's your favorite comeback album from an artist, their second act album that kind of brings them, puts them back on the map? Album, song, can be anything. Favorite second acts in rock and roll. Give us a call, 617-906-6638, with your voicemail and text, and you might hear it on next week's after-party. All right, discos, excited for next week, blasting out of this Christian metal scene, into the world of shock rock with the screamin' Jay Hawkins descendant, Alice Cooper. And I want to hear from you, so 617-906-6638. Get at me, voicemail and text. I'll be back

• 18:34Jake Brennan?

  right after this, with your DMs, text messages, phone calls, and more.

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• 21:22Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys. Welcome back. We're going to get to your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, and all of that in just a bit. But I got to mention that Dwayne Keith, Keithy D. Davis was sentenced to 40 years to life in prison for Tupac Shakur's murder. And I don't know, it still feels like the story is not closed. Sentenced, New York Post says sentenced for masterminding Tupac's murder. Keithy D. Davis sentenced on Tuesday, sentencing came decades after Tupac's September 1996 murder in Las Vegas. Forty years. Davis will most certainly die in prison. But again, I don't know. This just does not feel, it

• 22:07Jake Brennan?

  doesn't feel done. And I can't tell if that's because of the facts, or just because psychologically, I can't let go of this story. I feel like a lot of you don't want to let go of this story as well. This is one of the mega iconic stories from music history that is just, it's hard to put down. It's hard to slam shut. And I don't think any of us are going to do it despite this sentencing. It's kind of like the Kurt Cobain story. People just don't want to put it down. People like Curtis in the 513.

• 22:34Speaker 05

  Hey Jake, this is Curtis from 513. I ain't called in in a long time, but I'm listening to your after-party, and you asked about why people don't hate Sid Vicious as much as they hate Courtney Love. Well, Sid Vicious' era, nobody gave a shit about Sid Vicious except for punk rock people and, you know, maybe some other people on the, on the fringes. And so, nobody cared, basically. With Kurt Cobain's death and, and Courtney being, you know, his wife, the people needed somebody to blame because he left a void. But that's it, man. Take it easy.

• 23:18Jake Brennan?

  Yeah, Curtis, he did, Kurt Cobain absolutely did 100% leave a void, as did Tupac. And you're right. You're right about Sid Vicious. Sid Vicious looms large in history, but in the moment, he was fringe. He really was. The Sex Pistols were nowhere near as big as Nirvana or Tupac. And again, I think the Kurt Cobain story, like the Tupac Shakur story, is one where people just do not want to give it up. They don't want it to end. What does that say about us if that story is finished? Same subject. Let's go to the 903.

• 23:55Speaker 05

  Hey, guys. Adam from Texas and Maryland now. And I'm just calling with response to the Courtney Love thing and then the question of the week. But the Courtney Love thing is just basic trauma, a little bit of sexism, but trauma and, you know, people just hate her and what she is. And if they can get a foothold in with any way to explain the way that Kurt died and she's still alive. That's basically my, you know, what I think of that. And the CIA, just because she hung out with the Deadheads is insane. Because like I said, Bill Walton hung out with the Grateful Dead too. Does that mean he is a CIA agent too? Bill Walton, best of all fair? I don't think so. Anyway, love you guys. Love the show. Rock and roll. Bye.

• 24:34Jake Brennan?

  You're absolutely right. Bill Walton, the 86 Celtics were a psyop. It's a CIA plant. No, I'm kidding. But you did hit on something here, Adam. It's just where you have one beloved artist in Kurt Cobain and one despised artist in Courtney Love. And I forget how you put it there, Adam, but you said something like, they can't understand how one is alive and the, and the other is not. And I think that goes, that goes to the, the heart of what we're discussing here. All right, let's go check in here with the 915. Hey Jake, this is Vince from the 915. I've been a huge fan of the podcast since the beginning, when you were a guest promoting it on the Daily Zeitgeist. That was the beginning.

• 25:19Jake Brennan?

  Damn Vince, that was a long time ago. As for the question of the week, what song inspires you to confront slash contemplate your faith? The song that immediately popped into my mind is Doubting Thomas by the alt bluegrass band Nickel Creek off their album, Why Should the Fire Die? I've had issues with my faith throughout my adulthood, and the lyrics perfectly sum up those struggles. I'm a doubting Thomas. I took a promise, but I don't know what's safe. Oh, me of little faith. Anyway, I love the show. Rock and roll. Vince from the 915, the story of doubting Thomas from the Bible, a good one indeed. And, you know, I got this book in front of me that I was talking about earlier, the Scorsese one. And he says something, another, he says a lot in here, obviously, that's, that I've remembered. But another

• 26:04Jake Brennan?

  thing he says, or connected to what you're talking about here, another thing he says is that faith, and I'm paraphrasing, so forgive me, he says that faith is something that should be contemplated and confronted. Contemplated and confronted. And that's so true. I think oftentimes, people think that faith is just this, this really hard line in the sand. I believe X and that's it. And anybody I know who lives a life of faith, including priests that I know, Catholic priests that I know, they all have, they all have their own questions, and they all have their own ways of confronting and contemplating their faith. And the story of doubting Thomas is a good one. I don't know the Nickel Creek song, but I'm going

• 26:48Jake Brennan?

  to check that out. Appreciate you, Vince. Appreciate you listening since way back. I remember that interview. I remember that interview with the Daily Zeitgeist. Saw Jack recently, actually. Good dude. Anyhow, let's go on. Here we go. 781 gets at us and says, hey, I was into Striper too, so you're not the only one. Just wanted to let you know that real quick. Thank you. Also, I'm so happy that you reconsidered Eminem and are now a fan because I love Eminem, and I've always loved him. And I was so disappointed when you said that he did not make great music. However, I did not send hate mail, and I never would. Love you. Love the podcast always. Kel from the 781. Appreciate you, Kel. It's okay if we disagree on some music, though, here and there. We're not all going to love the same thing. And oftentimes, the music I don't love, I come back to it. There's

• 27:31Jake Brennan?

  some music that I know is great, and I just can't get with it. And then there's music that I just cannot stand. 30 Seconds to Mars is part of that. I've never liked that band. I don't care. I don't care what Jared Leto may have done or not done. It has nothing to do with my opinion of that band. I disliked the band so immensely that I didn't even really talk about my dislike of the band in the episode that I wrote, because it just seemed too easy. And I didn't really feel like I had anything interesting to say critically about them, because I don't care about them. You know what I mean? It's like they're such a nothing burger to me musically. The guy has no fucking roots. For a guy who supposedly was raised in the circus, or whatever the fuck he says, you know, Bob Dylan said he

• 28:14Jake Brennan?

  was raised in the circus. That guy's got roots. Jared Leto, as a musician, has no roots. As an actor, on the other hand, well, that's a whole other story. Kate in the 270 says, hey, when you talk about the Christian music scene and what it's really like behind the scenes, well, I grew up going to the New Song Music Festival held at Camp Leone every summer in Kentucky. Back when I was going, it was super cheap. Hey, it was the 80s and early 90s. And you could actually have time to speak to different bands. And I'm talking bands like Petra, Striper, Newsboys, DC Talk, and so on. I've met them, talked to them, stood next to them in the crowds, watching the other bands play. As I lay dying is not an anomaly. From the time I started going to New Songs as a middle school aged girl, we would tell each other who to avoid. It's like how those of us who were Catholic

• 28:59Jake Brennan?

  would tell each other which priests to avoid. I know exactly what you're talking about. Growing up, there was always that, that one. You knew, you just fucking knew. You didn't even really have to say anything. You just knew. You know what I'm saying? Anyway, she goes on to say here, Kate goes on to say, we knew who was the real deal. The dudes from Petra and Striper were okay. And who is not? Everyone knew to avoid the hell out of the Newsboys. And if you've been following the controversy surrounding their former lead singer, Michael Tate, you'll understand why. Even among women in CCM, contemporary Christian music. When Amy Grant had an album cover back in the 80s where she had two buttons of her blouse unbuttoned, and you could see her throat, Sandy Patty Alba called her a whore, which was rich coming from Sandy Patty, who was banging her security guard.

• 29:43Jake Brennan?

  Right, we're going deep into it. I love it. So, Tim, Tim Lambesis may be more salacious and evil and murderous, but he's nothing new. And it's just ick. And the closer you live to Nashville, like I do, and the more you see of this, CCM is based like country out of Nashville, fun fact, the more you realize the industry is the industry. Rock and roll, babes. Kate, appreciate you in the 270. My wife lived in Nashville, went to Belmont University. She has her fair share of stories here with some of the folks you're mentioning even. So appreciate the text there, Kate. 303 texts in, hey, in the As I Lay Dying episode, you referred to Razzle from Hanoi Rocks as dazzle. That was, I'm guessing

• 30:24Jake Brennan?

  I didn't pronounce that incorrectly, and I actually got tied up there. My bad. And I apologize. I'm well aware of Razzle. And if you want more on Razzle, you can get him in the Molly Crew episode of Disgraceland, going back to season two, I believe. Still haven't heard from any Screamin' Jay Hawkins children. If you're out there, get in touch. Would love to talk to you. We typically hear from kids of rock stars that we cover, some of them anyways. I'd love to hear, I'd love to talk to one of Screamin' Jay's kids. Hit us up, 617-906-6638, voicemail and text. Want to know how you spent that dollar. All right, guys. 617-906, voicemail and text. Get at us with your thoughts on next week's

• 31:07Jake Brennan?

  new subject, our new story on Alice Cooper. Question of the week involves greatest second acts in rock and roll. Is it Alice Cooper? Who is it? Who came back from the brink? 617-906-6638, voicemail and text. DMs, at Disgracelandpod, email me, [email protected]. Speaking of emails, we'll be back right after this with your emails.

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• 32:10Speaker 01

  Hi, I'm Cyndi Lauper, Cosentyx's lead detective in the new mystery series, Unpredictable Symptoms Squad. My team and I are on a curious case to gather clues about plaque psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis, and to learn how Cosentyx treats both and can help stop further joint damage in psoriatic arthritis. Join Michelle Bernstein. Wow, I didn't even know this place was here. Gary.

• 32:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, it makes sense. Something mysterious would happen here.

• 32:42Speaker 01

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• 34:11Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we're back. Thanks for joining us in this after-party. [email protected]. You want to hit us up, talk about anything under the sun, music history, true crime related. This email comes from Brandon Boyd, who writes, "Hey, dear Jake Brennan, my name is Brandon Boyd, and I'm a big fan. Writing from Burlington, Kansas, your Disgraceland episode on Blondie's Debbie Harry in her near miss with Ted Bundy is a masterclass in music true crime storytelling. I was wondering if you'd be willing to send me..." Oh, yo, Brandon, you know what, dude? Not going to read your address here. Appreciate the kind words. I gotta, you know, I'm happy you wrote us this episode. I can't take credit for it, though. It was written by Mr. Zeth Lundie. Dr. Lundie crushed it. Matt, Sean, Ryan, the team here on the music side,

• 34:56Jake Brennan?

  nailed the mix. All praise goes to the team. Brandon, appreciate you writing in, man. Thank you. All right, [email protected]. You guys want to get at us about anything? I gotta address my own friend, John Strymish, who hit us up on Instagram. John was upset that we didn't mention John Laurie when we were talking about, we're having our conversation about great musicians who have become actors. John Laurie, you might know him from some of the Jim Jarmusch movies. Maybe you know him from the last episode of Anthony Bourdain. And maybe this is all sounding familiar to you because we just talked about John Laurie, John Strymish.

• 35:32Jake Brennan?

  But I like any opportunity to talk about John Laurie. Thus, my commentary here. Plus, John Strymish, I hope you're doing well, my friend. Thanks for writing. Appreciate you. @disgracelandpod on the socials. You guys want to get at us about anything? That's one way to do it. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text, that's another way to do it. [email protected] via email. Halloween's here. That means I got a zombie movie to watch with my friend Zeth Lundie this month. For this film, Should Be Played Loud, we're going to be doing Shaun of the Dead. That's the next one. Gross Point Blank was the last This Film Should Be Played Loud episode that we taped. That's available for you to listen to right now. Excuse me, watch. That's our video podcast. Listen to. What am I talking about?

• 36:16Jake Brennan?

  disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an All-Access member. Grab This Film Should Be Played Loud episodes. You watch all of those. Do the right thing, good fellas. High fidelity. If you want more of a movie conversation, you can get that for free over in the Hollywoodland feed with Zeth Lundie and myself. I'm giving you my Hollywood-inspired music recommendations every week. Subscribe to Hollywoodland wherever you get your podcasts. As promised, Zeth Lundie and I, coming up right now, talk about the biggest fraudsters in music history. All right, we'll be back after this.

• 37:03Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back. We're close to that 300-episode number. That's coming up in the next, uh, couple of months. I almost said weeks. But hey, we're around like number 290 or something like that. So lots of, lots of content is the point. You got a favorite artist? You want to hear a story about them from Disgraceland? Chances are, we've told it, and it's in the archive, or we're going to tell it. Hit me up @disgracelandpod on the socials, 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text, [email protected]. If you need guidance in finding your way through our massive archive. I need guidance finding my way to lunch. So I got to get out of here. Let's recap, all right? Number one, this week, our new episode is available for you.

• 37:48Jake Brennan?

  That's on As I Lay Dying. Number two, in the Rewind slot this weekend, our classic episode on Michael Alig is coming your way. Next week, new episode on Alice Cooper. Number four, Zeth's going to give you those Hollywood and crime vibes in the Hollywoodland feed, so make sure you're subscribed. I'm going to give you my music recs and the rap party that happens every week. Number five, This Film Should Be Played Loud, our video podcast episode on Gross Point Blank is available right now. Next, we are filming Shaun of the Dead. That's on October 28th, okay? Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up, become an All-Access member, unlock exclusive content just like this along with ad-free listening. Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history, so keep calling, keep texting with your answers to this week's question of the week or with whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget Discos.

• 38:33Jake Brennan?

  This isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed. No one cares about music books, records, and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right, back on May 7, 2013, As I Lay Dying frontman Tim Lambesis walked into a Barnes and Noble to talk to a hitman, supposed hitman, named Red, and this is what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, Just Give Me A Reason, Pink. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 11. Number two, Can't Hold Us, Macklemore and Ryan Lewis, featuring Ray Dalton. Last week, two. Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, 12.

• 39:15Jake Brennan?

  Number three, Stay, Rihanna, featuring Miki Echo. Last week, six. Peak position, three. Weeks on chart, 12. Number four, Thrift Show, Macklemore and Ryan Lewis, featuring Waz. Last week, three. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 13. Number five, 12.

• 39:49Jake Brennan?

  Quit talking and start mixing.

• 39:52Speaker 05

  Cut it. I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, stand-up comedian, creator, and host of Scam Goddess Podcast, the true crime comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Each week, I bring on an amazing guest. Ooh, I scammed them. What? I could talk to you for an hour. You're a generational yapper, like me. That's why I had to make yapping a job. And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube. Start listening to Scam Goddess on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.