Rivian R1S Quad review; I Hate Sims; 1st Waymo Ride

Matt Farah hates racing simulators; a review of the new Rivian R1S Quad motor; Zack Klapman rides in a Waymo for the first time (and has questions); Jaguar fires a very important person; and we answer Patreon questions including: Is the 986 Boxster the best value for money? Which options had an outsized effect on a car's value (for better or worse)? Driving experiences worth MORE than they cost? Best practices to sell a vehicle that has high miles We disappoint a Ferrari 612 owner Did we watch Mischief 3000? Help my friend avoid a used G wagon Thoughts on the 2000s Pontiac GTO Do we enjoy wrenching? Why doesn't anyone like black wheels? Are 911 owners afraid of miles? And MANY more Recorded December 2, 2025 SHOW NOTES Aura Frames For a limited time, visit https://www. AuraFrames.com and get $45 off Aura’s best-selling Carver Mat frames - named #1 by Wirecutter - by using promo code TIRE at checkout. DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to www.joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Hydrow Head over to https://www. Hydrow.com and use code TIRE to save up to $600 off on Hydrow rower during this holiday season. Smalls For a limited time get 60% off your first order when you head to https://www.smalls.com/tire New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Want your question answered? To listen to the episode the day it's recorded? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST #cars #comedy #podcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Click here for the most honest car reviews out there: https://www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 1:21Matt Farah?

  myself into a passable lap time while practicing for racing in Texas. Plus, Jaguar's design boss gets fired and Zach takes his first Waymo. That's today on the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go!

• 1:36Speaker 01

  I see us.

• 1:39Matt Farah?

  Okay, fine, really?

• 1:40Speaker 01

  I see us.

• 1:42Matt Farah?

  But can you hear us?

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Only if you really listen to yourself.

• 1:48Matt Farah?

  Am I clear to you? Hi, what's happening? Uh, man, feels like I'm passing through my own life right now, meaning like...

• 2:04Matt Farah?

  Six days in New York. Vacation, Thanksgiving, home for two days. And I'm like tomorrow morning, I'm leaving again at 6 a.m. Mm-hmm. That is, that is weird. It feels. Like you're vacationing in your normal. It feels like I'm just like stopping by my normal life on the way to some other shit. That's kind of, that's true. Yeah. That's what you're doing. Yeah, I gotta fucking stop this trip. This, this is, this, this was gonna be the last trip. I'm going to Texas tomorrow to go racing, which is. Yeah. Could be awesome. It was supposed to be the last trip of the year. And then Delta. They fucking got me, dude. Of course they got me. Why wouldn't they, why would Delta not

• 2:47Matt Farah?

  reality show tension this to the end of the year? It's like F1. What do I mean? I mean, I am literally one more flight short of making Diamond for next year. All the fucking flying I've done. And it has come down to, well, guess what? You have to take one more. It's all come down to Abu Dhabi. It's, it's not even far. It's, yeah, it's to, it's Vegas. America's Abu Dhabi. That's actually, yeah, that's true. Um, so yeah, I need, I need to find an excuse to go anywhere now on Delta uh, for any reason for the rest of the year. The shortest flight they offer, basically?

• 3:29Matt Farah?

  Well, they, they said if I buy a round trip first class to Vegas, that'll do it. Or I could go like, uh, Comfort to like Utah, Colorado. Like I could go skiing for a day in Colorado. The probably, the other, the other problem is like you, do you wanna go somewhere that's then far from the airport? Once you get there, you know what I mean? Like, I kinda wanna go somewhere that's like. Where I won't have to then rent a car and do a whole other thing like.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 3:57Matt Farah?

  Where can I go?

• 3:58Speaker 01

  You're just checking this box, that's all. You just want to tick the flight box, sure.

• 4:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but like, I mean, I'd rather not just like fly somewhere, turn around. Like, I'd rather like, I'd like to do something of interest.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  Someone's in fly LAX to Burbank.

• 4:12Matt Farah?

  I don't even think they offer that.

• 4:14Speaker 01

  Sarah flew to Palm Springs from LA.

• 4:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you can do that.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  It was somehow a one hour flight.

• 4:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  But the plane she was on goes 500 miles per hour and it is 100 miles, basically. And we're all sitting there at dinner like, how did it take so long? Like, we had to go fly west.

• 4:29Matt Farah?

  You fly west, turn around. Yeah, it's 100 miles direct, but the distance traveled is probably more like 300.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:37Matt Farah?

  And I don't think.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  They can't.

• 4:39Matt Farah?

  If that plane peaks can go 500.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  No, they don't.

• 4:43Matt Farah?

  There's no way it's doing that.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:45Matt Farah?

  Planes fly economy speed, by the way. That's why they can, if they're like a half hour late, they can magically make that shit up.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  We're gonna make some time.

• 4:53Matt Farah?

  A little, little more.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  Acceleración. Yeah.

• 4:55Matt Farah?

  Um, yeah, no, the LA to Palm Springs is, that one's, that one's. That one you only do if you're going to Palm Springs on a Friday afternoon. Other than that, that's, that's way too short for that. But like, we could, we could go to, um. See, what's, what's a cool, a cool city that's like between an hour and two hours flying from here? I was thinking Santa Fe, a night in Santa Fe. That's a nice, that's like a nice place to spend a one nighter.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Seattle.

• 5:28Matt Farah?

  Seattle's alright, but I don't need to go that far. Seattle's a legit three hour flight and I don't need all that. Right? It's, there's kind of limited options, but like, I mean, I could do, San Francisco's an easy, is an easy one.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  You like Santa Fe though, right? Flagstaff, could you fly there?

• 5:47Matt Farah?

  Uh, Flagstaff is nice for a night. That restaurant was so good in Flagstaff. Wow, I would eat there again. I forget the name of it. Fuck me, was it good? Um, Santa Fe, I haven't had enough time in. I think Santa Fe could be one. Uh, if I could get a, does Delta go to Sedona? I could do a night at Sedona. We don't need to look this up now, but anyway. Anyway, I thought I would only, I thought this was gonna be the last flight, but nope. No, but anyway, but racing.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:12Matt Farah?

  So get this, our race car has been upgraded. We were going to be racing, um, I, I, I, uh, I believe that the, the, it's, it's a, we arrive in driving an entire car. Sergio, Tato, Tommy, I think Justin is not coming, but Lieberman and me. Um, and it's, it's arrive and drive, but apparently this M3, E92, that is the, the car, the expected car is like, something's wrong with it, it's not running right. So they've upgraded us to the factory, uh, uh, the, the M2, uh, or 240, M240 club sport.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 6:50Matt Farah?

  Like the BMW turnkey race car.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 6:53Matt Farah?

  So.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 6:54Matt Farah?

  Which is not, like, that's gonna be a nice handling car, like, that'll be.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  Probably lighter in the front, for sure.

• 7:00Matt Farah?

  Cake to drive.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:01Matt Farah?

  That's gonna be, that'll be fabulous.

• 7:03Speaker 01

  It's a, it's BMW's Miata, basically.

• 7:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's like when we went down to, remember we were down at Concourse Club?

• 7:09Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 7:09Matt Farah?

  Uh, in Miami, uh, talking to Aaron, who's the guy down there, and he said, yeah, everybody who gets a membership gets, just gets one of these.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:17Matt Farah?

  They all just get those. That's what everybody gets. It's like, uh, my first race car.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  My first, for Fisher Price.

• 7:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, cause if you're, if you're like, rich, you're not, if you have real money, you look at a Miata and you just go, no.

• 7:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 7:31Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean? Like, you know, like, we know Miata's are great, like, and Miata racing is awesome, and if you're a 17-year-old hot shoe who really wants to be somebody, then you're racing Miata's, but if you're 65 and joining a racetrack country club, you are not starting in Miata's.

• 7:47Speaker 01

  But I bet you will at, at some point, end up at Miata, once you like, learn the benefits of that and stuff, but yeah, you're gonna start with something that's more expensive, better brand.

• 7:56Matt Farah?

  Well, you want, I mean, and you want something that like, if you're, if you're gonna get a, you wanted something that feels fast.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:02Matt Farah?

  Like this, this, you, you floor it and it's like, you know, it's, that's a, it's like a 350 horsepower or so car.

• 8:08Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 8:09Matt Farah?

  Is it?

• 8:09Speaker 01

  A 240.

• 8:10Matt Farah?

  It's the M240, I, uh, yeah, it's gotta be like, 380, was it 382 or 360 was like the, the stock car when we drove it?

• 8:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was pretty stout.

• 8:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  And that thing handled great.

• 8:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  It felt way lighter than the other cars we drove.

• 8:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, imagine that gutted with a cage. That'll be, that'll be a great time.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm, I was mixing this up with the little four-banger thing. No, this is gonna be fast.

• 8:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 8:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay, this is gonna be very fast. We drove the all-wheel-drive one, right?

• 8:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. The purple one, the eggplant one.

• 8:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:43Matt Farah?

  It was really fast.

• 8:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:44Matt Farah?

  These are not all-wheel-drive. These are rear-wheel-drive, obviously, but.

• 8:47Speaker 01

  I think this is.

• 8:48Matt Farah?

  But they're the ZF 8-speed.

• 8:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's it.

• 8:56Matt Farah?

  That is the car.

• 8:58Matt Farah?

  It should be, it should be a. Now, what I don't know.

• 9:05Matt Farah?

  I don't know if it's the current one.

• 9:09Matt Farah?

  Or the last-gen one.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:11Matt Farah?

  So I actually haven't, it doesn't really matter for our purposes. I mean, the current, the current one. I don't think it's the current one. Something tells me that for this type of race, they would be running a.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:22Matt Farah?

  Running the last-gen car. Either way, good time.

• 9:25Speaker 01

  Race car's cool. Do you know, I mean, this is, the cockpit of this new one looks very.

• 9:28Matt Farah?

  I doubt it's that.

• 9:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. This is like that M4 GT I drove.

• 9:32Matt Farah?

  It's so weird that they've left this weird double, the weird giant double screen in this race car.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  Do you think they chopped the top of the steering wheel off so you could see the screen?

• 9:39Matt Farah?

  That's so, it's so crazy. The only thing they've left from the interior is the giant double screen.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah, and.

• 9:49Matt Farah?

  There's nothing left. The whole of the interior's gutted, it's just a screen now.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  I mean, there's probably, maybe there's just too many computers involved with screen diagnostics and stuff. They just go, why, why change it out? Yeah.

• 10:01Matt Farah?

  Look, God, does it look terrible with that steering wheel, though.

• 10:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it'd be fun, you know?

• 10:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I know, I'm sure it drives fu, I'm sure it drives great.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Dude, that's cool.

• 10:08Matt Farah?

  So we'll, we'll see how this goes now.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  Do you want to talk about your.

• 10:12Matt Farah?

  Toto be a good time.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  Your training for this event?

• 10:16Matt Farah?

  Oh my god, dude. I went to the sim up at Sergio's garage. They've got a nice sim. And they didn't have, um, they got, it's not, it's not a motion sim, but it's the three screens and the, you know, it's pretty, it's pretty good. iRacing and, uh, and, uh, they were like, you know, I really, I wanted to do some sim training and, and Tato is really, really into the sim, uh, cause he's like a kid. Yeah. Of course he is. And I am horrible at sims. So fucking bad at them. Like, folks taking a break from the action because support is coming in hot from Aura Frames. Aura Frames is the answer to every holiday gifting moment.

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• 14:55Matt Farah?

  They just, they don't, I don't, I, I don't, I need, I need to feel something to drive. Like, I just have to, like, and things happen in Sims that would never happen to me in cars. Such as what happened yesterday, which is, I was on the Sim for three hours. I was so frustrated and upset. They didn't have, he couldn't build the exact car, the, the M3 that we're supposed to be, so he found the closest power to weight and lap time that they had in iRacing is the Ford FR500 Mustang. Was the closest he could find, okay? This is a car that does not handle, this is a solid axle race car, okay?

• 15:36Matt Farah?

  This is what, this is a car, is a race car from like 12 years ago or something, like pre IRS, okay? And this is a, not, not a very good handling race car. But it is apparently capable of running similar lap times to whatever this, this M3 was doing at Cota. So, anyway, it doesn't even matter. I, for the first hour, and Cota's like a long track. For the first hour, I am not able to complete a single lap without spinning out. And I'm spinning out in like, all different fucking places.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  So not the same corner, same whatever?

• 16:14Matt Farah?

  No, no. And, and I'm just like, spin out like, and my spin outs are like oversteering on the exit into some irrecoverable slide that ends up in the wall. This, this car made like 370 naturally aspirated fucking horsepower, like, so I'm, I'm just like, I keep spinning out and crashing.

• 16:37Speaker 01

  And you're on slicks, I assume, like in the Sim?

• 16:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  Right, so you're on sticky tires, you're not overpowering them very easily in real life?

• 16:43Matt Farah?

  But, but also like, the laps are long and every time you start over, you crash, you start over, every time, you start on ice cold slicks. So, you have to do either like a terrifyingly, like, not terrifying, like, frustratingly slow lap to like warm up and then, it's just another like 10 minutes waste. Eventually, we, he sort of set up like a, a little hot start hack. So if I crashed, I could just like, hit a button and like be going full throttle like, you know, leading up to the front straight and actually just, because it just got too frustrating to do this again. But it was just driving me insane because it was like shit that would never happen to me in a car.

• 17:25Matt Farah?

  Like, I would just never get into any race car. And just spin out every lap for twenty laps, like, maybe I wouldn't, maybe I'd be slow. Like, I'm not saying I'm amazing, like, I'm fucking real average, but like, that just wouldn't happen, like, maybe I'd be fifteen seconds off the pace, and then twelve seconds off the pace, and then nine seconds off the pace, and that does, and eventually I'd settle at something that was better than embarrassing, you know?

• 17:54Speaker 01

  And did Tato drive same car, same SIM, same everything?

• 17:57Matt Farah?

  He's great at it. He's great at the SIM.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  Because someone asked, like, did you check, like, are there settings?

• 18:02Matt Farah?

  No, no, no, yeah, it wasn't settings. He was, he was very good at it, but like, it's his SIM.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:08Matt Farah?

  And he is, essentially, and I'm not, it's not like, he can do it, like, he, he is good at racing driving, and he's also good at the video game racing driving.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:19Matt Farah?

  They're not exactly the same thing. They're related, but they're not exactly the same thing. And like, is he gonna be like faster than me in a real car? Fuck, yeah, of course he is. Obviously, he is. Is Tommy, of course, Tommy's gonna set a time that everyone will be like, oh, what? Like, he'll set some kind of fucking record, half asleep, probably. And it's amazing to watch, but like, just, just this, just the, not the like, and let me just, let me jump ahead, because after three hours, Tato said, I said, what, what number are we looking for, for a lap? He said, two thirty-five. I said, okay, fine. So, at least that's, there's a goal.

• 18:59Matt Farah?

  After three hours, I said, I'm not leaving here until I run three laps in a row that are in the two thirty-fives. Like, or, or something like that, like, I had three full, like, none of the spin outs, it's that, that task took three hours. That's crazy.

• 19:17Matt Farah?

  And, uh, and eventually I did a two thirty-four, but like, It was just, it was so fucking frustrating because like, I mean, just spinning out and spinning out and spinning out and spinning out and like, you don't feel when it's gonna go, like, it's a butterfly steering wheel, so if it, you can't catch, you know, a slide, it's just, it's one and gone.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  iRacing, I think I drove it, like, played it once or twice, and I was shocked at, you know, none of the sims, like, I've only been on one or two motion sims, but I've played iRacing, Aseto, you know, Forza, like, all of those I've played on solid seats. And iRacing, I was shocked at how little, quote, "feel" there was before it let go. It felt like the tires were plastic and on ice. And I was like, "What, where did I go? Why am I going around in circles?" It happened all the time, and Aseto, the other ones, it's just the way that the tire modeling, let's go more progressively, and I know, like, iRacing is now this, I don't know, there's really, there's competitions you can win money in, and it's kind of like this serious simulator for people to play, or the serious game.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  But I find it much harder to drive in that game than any of the other ones. Even if it's traction on, off on all of them, it's just way harder.

• 20:28Matt Farah?

  But I was, and you know, I should have been like, "Hey, give me, let me get five laps with the fucking traction control on, to at least get to a certain level, and then we can turn it off," or something like that. And I didn't do that. I went full off the whole time, and maybe I shouldn't have, and, you know, whatever. I got there eventually, but it was just, it was way, if you gave me three hours in a real car in a racetrack, bro, I'm in the hunt, like, any reasonable car, you give me that much time in a real racetrack, we're on pace. That's a ton of time, but like, this was, I don't want to say it was a waste of time because you learn, you know, I learned where Tato's braking points were.

• 21:10Matt Farah?

  I watched his line a bunch, and like, watching his line is helpful, that you can take that to the real track. You can take, okay, he's hitting the brakes at exactly this marker, like, great, fucking bank that, and that's a repeatable thing. And so like, it is helpful, but it was just like, god damn it, does this have to be this fucking frustrating? Like, I probably would have gotten all the benefit that I could have gotten from it, just leaving the traction control on, you know, or something. It was just like, I can't believe how fucking frustrated I got. I'm like, anyone can have a bad day driving, it's like any other sort of sport, but, uh, fuck.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  Well, a repeated effort with no success for that long is gonna bum anybody out. And you don't like sim racing or sim driving anyway. So I think you're coming into it like, you know, not having the best time. But then if you're working at it and you're seeing these, and you're not changing some things, but there's like, all of a sudden you're spinning at this corner and then that corner. Like, what am I doing different? That would be really annoying.

• 22:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, ultimately, I found that I, the throttle, like, in this, there isn't like throttle feedbacks, you know, so much. But like, the throttle was like way more like sensitive than I thought it really was. And you don't get that sense.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:31Matt Farah?

  You know, you don't, you don't get that when you're not sitting in the car.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, when you don't feel the load being thrown to the back.

• 22:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:38Matt Farah?

  You, I need to feel those things.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:40Matt Farah?

  I'm good at sims when it's like a track I've driven a lot of or, you know, like in, and I can take, I can take the track knowledge backwards to the sim better than I can like learn from the sim, you know?

• 22:58Speaker 01

  I see what you mean.

• 22:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  Will the car have traction control?

• 23:03Matt Farah?

  Don't know. I mean, I shouldn't like need traction control. And if I can drive a fucking 750 around Cota without traction control, I can certainly drive a 240 BMW. It was just, it wasn't, it wasn't the traction control or no traction control. It was just, it was the lack of feel in that type of driving was like, when I'm trying to like, trying to push it to get a time, I was like, whoa, so frustrating.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely.

• 23:31Matt Farah?

  And like in front of like Tommy Kendall, I'm like, oh my God. Like, I think he, I'm pretty sure he knows I'm not this bad. But like, I, I don't want to start off this weekend like this in front of these guys, you know? Pretty tough.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that'd be a bummer. I get it. That'd be really hard.

• 23:48Matt Farah?

  I mean, eventually it got there, but like, whoa, the brutal three hours. It was, my eyes hurt, like, three hours in front of this. You're like barely, I don't think I stood up for 10 minutes in those three hours. Like, it was tough.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  How many stints do you guys get each during the race? Is it just one each?

• 24:07Matt Farah?

  I want to say it's two, because I think it's four drivers and it's an eight-hour race. But it's, um, it obviously depends on like, you know, what, what happens. But I think it's supposed to be two a race.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Plus practice day?

• 24:23Matt Farah?

  So there's a practice day Thursday, and then qualifying is Friday.

• 24:29Matt Farah?

  But Thursday is supposed to be like a fucking pissing rainstorm.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Oh, boy.

• 24:34Matt Farah?

  And so, but it's supposed to be the only day of the whole weekend that it's raining. So I've heard they're, they're limiting how many cars can be on track and the wet and, and during practice and, and so there's like, this is like the text thread as of an hour ago. It was like, there's some kind of like lottery to get into Thursday practice. But if, if, if Thursday practice is like fucked, then they're going to extend Friday qualifying into practice or something like that. So they did say everybody will get at least some seat time in the car before the race. So that's, I'm just, you know, 30 minutes in the car is enough.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, just to get used to how, even if the road's wet, to feel how the car, like, what are your sight lines and all that stuff?

• 25:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Cota, like, and like, is there, you know, how obtrusive is the drivers, is the, the net, the window net? Because like, Cota has a couple, has two, three, one, two, three left-handers that in a regular car is no problem, but in a, in, in, at least in the fucking sim, it was really hard to see the apexes through the, through the driver's nets. So you need to like, figure out other visual cues in some of those corners. But either way, like, the real thing should be a pretty good time.

• 25:52Speaker 01

  It'll be really fun, dude. Race car.

• 25:54Matt Farah?

  Race car.

• 25:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:55Matt Farah?

  Race car, big, big, fast track, you know? Big high-speed track, which is pretty fucking cool.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  You guys have to like? Practice driver change stuff?

• 26:04Matt Farah?

  Uh, I don't really, I mean, we may. Yeah, we may. I don't, uh...

• 26:10Speaker 01

  I guess you have a crew, right? There's like, like you pull in and drivers are just helping each other get in and out, probably with belts, comms and stuff.

• 26:16Matt Farah?

  And we may do fueling, but they have like their mechanics and stuff like it's, it's a, it's a, it's a pretty legit organization from what I gather.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  Cool. Do you, does your helmet have speakers and microphone and shit?

• 26:28Matt Farah?

  No, I have the earbuds that have them. Uh, yes, it does have, it has, it has comms, the microphone thing built into it. And then I wear the earbuds. They're not like the over ear ones. You, you want earbud ones in a race car.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  Well, I have those earbud ones. I talked about it after Lemons, but I think I want both now. Cause like, well, that car was so loud.

• 26:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this car probably not that loud.

• 26:49Speaker 01

  It'll be like, mm.

• 26:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it'll probably be fine. But, you know, there's, there's worse things than a race car that's not that loud.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  You totally agree. Yeah, I totally agree. First 10 minutes, I was like, this is the best. And then the last two hours and the three days of tonight's afterwards, I was like, maybe we put the inline six back in.

• 27:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, right. So that'll be fun.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's cool.

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• 32:23Speaker 01

  Oh, I was gonna save that.

• 32:24Matt Farah?

  Oh, you wanna save it?

• 32:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz I haven't done the homework on the computers yet.

• 32:27Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay, fine.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  Overall, you know, some of the best seats I've sat in.

• 32:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they make great seats. The best.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  I think they're better than the car we drove to Zion, it's just not as firm.

• 32:37Matt Farah?

  The shape is great. Yeah, the shape is great.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  And the foam is a little bit softer, but let's save that because I want to look up the competitors.

• 32:42Matt Farah?

  Everyone loves a Volvo. The competitors are like Doug's car, the E450 Mercedes, the Allroad kind of. Is there still an A6 Allroad?

• 32:51Speaker 01

  I think.

• 32:52Matt Farah?

  Is that the only Allroad? I don't know what Audi's Allroad lineup is, but alright, we'll save it. We can talk more about the Rivian Quad.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 33:00Matt Farah?

  Which I touched on with Doug. I feel like I only touched on it in a negative way. I didn't say very many like nice things about it, which is unfair to Rivian because it's like, it's really nice.

• 33:13Matt Farah?

  It's expensive. I mean, it's kind of...

• 33:17Matt Farah?

  I'm not sure who's going to buy into this because

• 33:22Matt Farah?

  you can't tell them apart, right? And so you can get a dual motor Rivian that's still like a huge amount of horsepower for half the money of this. This thing is now like 115, 120,000 dollars. They depreciate, they all have looked the same for a while. We're all sort of waiting for the R2 and the R3, right?

• 33:47Matt Farah?

  And so this, I guess, is the last hurrah of the R1 line. I mean, they've been, they have been like steadily improving it. The body control on the suspension is so nice. It's really, really good. Body control, the way the height settings work, the way the damper settings are, like really nice. Just beautiful riding car. You know, the build quality has been even ratcheted up from where it was before. This is like a really nicely made thing. The materials are nice and the fit and finish was really good. I thought the stereo sounded really good.

• 34:29Matt Farah?

  The seats were really comfortable, although they're not quite as adjustable as I'd like for a $100,000 car. It would be nice if they had a little more... They're only like eight-way or something if they could do a little more there, but... A lot to like, really a lot to like. The short wheel, I wish it had a different steer, slower steering ratio. Um, because when they shorten the wheelbase from the truck, it makes it drive like a car with a cut wheelbase, which is a very specific feel.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:59Matt Farah?

  That you usually only feel in like rally cars and stuff. It's weird to feel it in a big truck. Um, it almost feels like the car has an overactive rear steer.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  Mmm, like the Mercedes used to.

• 35:12Matt Farah?

  Except it doesn't have rear steer.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 35:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So it's like, it's, it's, it's like a Ferrari 812 steering ratio. In, in something with a short, like with a shorter wheelbase.

• 35:23Speaker 01

  Right, 296 wheelbase or something like that.

• 35:25Matt Farah?

  And then tall. So it's like, it does these like motions that are odd, uh, that the truck doesn't do. Um, and specifically when you're, when you're doing, uh, maneuvering at medium to higher speeds.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  Well, cause when we drove the R1T years ago in the canyons, both of us were like, this feels like an electric lifted GTR. The steering, I had no complaints about the speed of the rack at all. It felt very natural.

• 35:49Matt Farah?

  The whole thing is set up for the truck.

• 35:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:51Matt Farah?

  And then they leave it the same when they shorten the wheelbase and that makes it drive a little strange. You, you have to have a pretty finely tuned sense of steering to, to be able to go at drive stage. Doesn't make us special, but like, if you've driven a whole lot of stuff, you know what happens when you change a thing.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  Well, and if someone hasn't driven as many things as us, but if they got out of like, you know, their ice Mercedes SUV or BMW, if they got out of another comparably sized SUV, would the steering feel too quick? You know, is it like that Ferrari steering from 10 years ago?

• 36:24Matt Farah?

  It is. It's like sports car steering.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  Other sports cars. Right.

• 36:28Matt Farah?

  This is that exact thing in a three row SUV, which is with a thousand horsepower. So it's like twitchy.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Bit twitchy.

• 36:36Matt Farah?

  Twitchy handling and a huge amount of horsepower. Um, it is uncomfortable to launch this car. Like, and this one, this one had the knobbies on it. So like, it'll just spin all four wheels, you know, like, it's nuts. It's, the power is nuts. Um, I hit full throttle exactly two times and determined that that was.

• 36:59Matt Farah?

  Way too much. But it does have this rad tuner thing now, which allows you to really like dial it in if you are the kind of person that likes to dial it in. It has a bunch of standard settings. And then if you go to the next slide, there's photos on my Instagram. You can change like, things like the, the level of stability control, the amount of wheel slip you'll get.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 37:25Matt Farah?

  Uh, you can change, um, how much brake assist and steering assist and the ride height and the regen.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  They've Hyundai it.

• 37:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  They've N tuned it.

• 37:33Matt Farah?

  But it's, but it's just one screen.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  That's.

• 37:36Matt Farah?

  So it's all, it's all on one screen. It's easy to find.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  Are there any, are there presets too? If you're just like, I want sport mode.

• 37:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's like comfort, sport and off-road and it has presets and you can go back to, you know, return to factory settings because you will almost certainly make it worse. By messing with it. The only ones I really, um, I liked to turn up the damping a little bit above their setting in comfort. So it was, so the suspension was like somewhere between comfort and sport. For the damping, it was like a kind of a nice place to drive when cruising on the highway. So I liked, I like to mess with that one.

• 38:21Matt Farah?

  The wheel slip, uh, it, some of them, the settings really make more sense when you're off-roading, such as wheel slip, unless you want to do burnouts, which it does, it will spin all four wheels if you do a launch, which is wild stuff. It's, I don't know what that creature is. There's a badge on the back with a, with a creature.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  Is it Teen Wolf?

• 38:41Matt Farah?

  It, oh, it might be Teen Wolf. It could be, it looks like somewhere between, uh, like a yogi bear that's been through a rave. And is that Teen Wolf?

• 38:53Speaker 01

  Well, it looks like Chewbacca, but the vest and the shorts and the headband say Teen Wolf.

• 38:59Matt Farah?

  It's, yeah, it's some kind of a hairy monster in a Marty McFly vest.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  I looked up Rivian Teen Wolf. I mean, obviously they wouldn't buy the IP.

• 39:09Matt Farah?

  Not sure what the logo means, but it's cute. I mean, I like a cartoon.

• 39:14Matt Farah?

  The, uh, let's see, is there anything else about it that, uh, that I, um... I drove it in the rain a lot. It was really good in the rain. I mean, that's a, that's a, that's an excellent wet weather vehicle. The laser headlights, the automatic wipers, all of those, expert, expert level, awesome.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  The lights turn with you?

• 39:38Matt Farah?

  Not only do they turn, they're the European laser ones, so they blackout the pixels.

• 39:42Speaker 01

  So good.

• 39:43Matt Farah?

  So they're not blinding oncoming cars.

• 39:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 39:45Matt Farah?

  That's fabulous. I think their nav system works great. I, even though their Sirius XM is the Sirius app, it's not actual satellite. Uh, I did think it worked well. The, um, the cameras are great. The front and rear cameras, like Hannah, when we drove it, and she was like, mind blown, because our, the Taycan's camera sucks horribly. She was so blown away with the Rivian's backup camera.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  That stuff matters, like the, the Volvo's cameras look old. They look like the ones from like six years ago compared to Sarah's RAV4, which is a one-year-old car, it's much clearer, the overhead shot is much clearer. And then Rivian, like, another thing you notice is newer ones will have better contrast.

• 40:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  Brighter picture at night or in the daytime, it's just clearer.

• 40:33Matt Farah?

  And maybe, I think also Rivian's screen is nicer.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 40:37Matt Farah?

  So it's the camera and the screen.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 40:39Matt Farah?

  But Porsche, I think, one wonders, and I legitimately don't know the answer to this, and I make absolutely no accusations of anything, but like, one wonders if Porsche, um, is using, like, like GM, you know, with the PDR camera, it's still like 1080, and it's like, well, why is it 1080? It's like, because we want it to work in Antarctica in 10 years.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 41:02Matt Farah?

  And so, one wonders if Rivian doesn't have those requirements, and therefore uses a certain type of hardware, uh, whatever, that Porsche isn't willing to use, or if Porsche is really just that far behind.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 41:16Matt Farah?

  You know, so I don't know. It'll be fun to find the answer to that. I would genuinely though, when, I don't need a three-row SUV, but if I did, this would be, not the fucking, not the thousand horsepower one. But these are, it's, it's a nice thing. It's just a, the steering is, I harp on it a lot, but I, you could get used to it after a while.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  Did this ride, we rode in your friend's car down San Diego. And I just remember, you know, the ride of the longer wheelbase T is much better.

• 41:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  If you sit in the backseat of these, of the one down San Diego, it's like, it's a little sporty.

• 41:53Matt Farah?

  You know, I didn't, I didn't sit in the backseat of this one while someone else drove. Maybe I should have, but I did, I was surprised in the backseat of Brad's car.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:04Matt Farah?

  That it was notably worse than being in the front.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  It's in sport mode in the back, basically.

• 42:09Matt Farah?

  It was driver optimized.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:11Matt Farah?

  The whole thing. Brad also had the one on, on the big Rams, and this one has the, the adventure, the adventure Nobbies.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  It doesn't help.

• 42:19Matt Farah?

  So this, these are, I think, these wheels are one inch smaller than, than those street wheels.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  It's also kind of an LA complaint, like.

• 42:26Matt Farah?

  Also Brad's was recalled for suspension-related issues.

• 42:29Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 42:30Matt Farah?

  Could have been something, not recalled, excuse me, um.

• 42:33Speaker 01

  Lemon.

• 42:34Matt Farah?

  Lemon.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  They couldn't get the alignment in spec, I believe, right?

• 42:38Matt Farah?

  Unalignable.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  Unalignable, yeah. No, no matter how many crystals, whatever, chakras could not get aligned.

• 42:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. But I presume the R2, they're not going to start with the pickup truck and then shorten the wheelbase, so it should steer normally. But I, but a five-row version of this exact car would be, excuse, not a five-row, excuse me, a five-passenger version of this car, scaled down appropriately, fuck, that's gonna be great.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:05Matt Farah?

  That's gonna be a delight. Yeah. So anyway, that's the Rivian Quad. Nobody needs a thousand horsepower, like, in a, in a thing like this. That's crazy. Why, why are you gonna give a soccer mom a thousand horsepower in, in a, in a fucking 6,500-pound truck? That's like. Just fucking stop. That's crazy.

• 43:26Speaker 01

  I mean, I think it's marketing probably more towards, you know, men that are looking at Cybertruck and other ones, and they just have to say it has this huge number because that brings us stupid boys to the yard.

• 43:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:38Speaker 01

  But when you drive it around, you don't need it. It's a waste. I do like that these are at least, uh, tend to be a lot slipperier than like the Hummer. So they both have tons of horsepower, but these are a lot more efficient.

• 43:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  Like, what's the range on this? Do you know?

• 43:51Matt Farah?

  A lot. It's like 300, and I have no reason to doubt that. I only had, I only had to top this thing off once for a week, and that was only by a little bit. It's a, it's a big battery, but.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  374 or 400 in, uh...

• 44:06Matt Farah?

  It's a lot.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like 400 miles if you drive in conserve mode.

• 44:10Matt Farah?

  I did not. Yeah, and actually, I conserve mode, that's the, I mean, that's the funny thing about this is I would, you could drive this car in conserve mode 100% of the time. It's not slow.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:23Matt Farah?

  And now they've, they've fixed it, so they used to back in the, when we did the T back in the day, uh, when you put it in conserve mode, it lowered it all the way.

• 44:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:31Matt Farah?

  So it was like sitting on the bump stops and you didn't want to, I want the, the low power for driving in the city, but I need some suspension, please. So in these, now you can do that.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 44:41Matt Farah?

  You can do, put the suspension anywhere you want in conserve mode, which is like, you would just drive in that mode all the time.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're just eco mode, right?

• 44:50Matt Farah?

  It's like 600 horsepower in conserve mode. Like, what are we, what are we doing? I mean, I can't believe I'm the one saying this, but like, you have to understand, it doesn't have the brakes for that. Like, it doesn't have the tires for that. Like, 1,000 horsepower on like, all season, like, these are like, they're not even all.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Those are kinda off-roady.

• 45:12Matt Farah?

  They're like off-roady.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:14Matt Farah?

  Like, with, with a fucking sharp-ass steering rack, like.

• 45:18Speaker 01

  It weighs 6,000, 7,000 pounds.

• 45:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, what are we doing? Haven't you seen the video of this thing blasting a K-rail? Everybody's seen that video like like just cuz this is like all this fucking bullshit now just cuz you can doesn't mean you fucking should.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  But I think I think to that point like they uh just because they can build it they don't have to. But most people that buy these will never floor it. They might do it once and scare themselves and then just because they can they don't have to and they won't. They're just gonna drive around and they'll say and they'll be excited. They'll say it has this. It's like people that buy AMGs just to sit in traffic. And idle around cuz they like the seats and they've got 700 and 800 and 600 horsepower and all they do is glove glove to the club.

• 46:01Matt Farah?

  That.

• 46:04Matt Farah?

  It's a fun phrase, isn't it?

• 46:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, you're I mean, you're right and and and quad motor off-roading is really nice like it it that is like it's amazing wheel control. What you can do going up a thing with four mo- it's crazy how good that is, how much how much it like makes something like a Land Cruiser feel like a clunky piece of shit. No disrespect to the Land Cruiser. It it does what it does for its own reasons, but like um these things are so nice off-road. Imagine 400 miles. I bet we could do like a BDR in one.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Oh, sure. I bet you could.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  If you find the charging, you know, every other town or.

• 46:51Matt Farah?

  Jenny.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  Might be tough. Yeah.

• 46:53Matt Farah?

  Putt putt overnight.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  Well, some of those towns we went through in Wyken, Washington. And this that was 15 years ago, I guess. That's not really fair. I was gonna say there's no level two charging in a town of 300 people.

• 47:03Matt Farah?

  You know who would know this is Rivian. If I was like, hey, I wanna drive across, you know, a state. We could we could definitely do it. Could be fun.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:14Matt Farah?

  Electric off-roading is so nice.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  It's very. It's the way to do it.

• 47:17Matt Farah?

  Fucking it's.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:19Matt Farah?

  If you've never done it, people, I can't tell you how nice it is. It's like. It's like walking without using your feet.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:28Matt Farah?

  It's like you it's it's it's so quiet. You just have you have the windows down. You don't hear any strain from the car. There's no uh, there's no like jerkiness. You just go, it's just forward motion.

• 47:45Speaker 01

  You don't have to rev and slip the clutch or anything or feel it or feel the torque converter lock up. I think, mark my words, there will be a time where an electric vehicle will win King of Hammers. And it'll probably have to require hot swap technology.

• 47:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  But if they can get.

• 47:58Matt Farah?

  Someone does it now.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  No, they run them now.

• 48:00Matt Farah?

  They run them now.

• 48:01Speaker 01

  But it's an EV class.

• 48:02Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  And I think if someone does hot swap tech and they have like four wheel controllers that are really, really good. I think you put all that together and they'll probably win.

• 48:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's just so nice to do to do it off road. You're just it's you're so like peaceful.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  It is, yeah, without, you know, revving of whatever engine, but like you just take all of that out of it.

• 48:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's great. Can't wait for the R2 and the R3. That's what I'm that's what I'm really thinking about. That's probably not what they wanted me to say by giving me an R1 for a week, but that's.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Well, but I think their fit and finish is really nice.

• 48:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  Every Rivian I've gotten into from the beginning, I went, whoa.

• 48:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  Like first effort, this is built well, feels well, nice choices, great design on the inside, looks really good. And I think blends the luxury and kind of outdoorsiness perfectly.

• 48:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It does do a good job of that.

• 48:55Matt Farah?

  It's I don't know how many of them actually spend much time off road. I certainly see them running around LA a lot.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Oh, of course.

• 49:01Matt Farah?

  Which is exactly what I would use it for 90% of the time.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  Did you see this?

• 49:06Matt Farah?

  Oh shit, really?

• 49:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:08Matt Farah?

  They kicked out the guy at Jaguar who designed the new Jaguar concept?

• 49:12Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 49:13Matt Farah?

  I guess it hasn't gone very well, huh? That's too bad. Sorry for him.

• 49:18Speaker 01

  I guess he, Boss Jerry, I guess, Jerry McGovern.

• 49:23Matt Farah?

  Jerry McGovern.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  But he's been in charge of Land Rover Design since '06 and JLR as a whole since 2020.

• 49:30Matt Farah?

  I mean, I gotta say, Land Rover Design since '06 has turned out some pretty decent looking vehicles.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:36Matt Farah?

  Their entire design aesthetic between that year and now is pretty, pretty good.

• 49:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I guess one week ago, a former Tata executive took over as JLR CEO.

• 49:50Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  And he went in and was like, out of here.

• 49:53Matt Farah?

  And yeah, okay, he probably, maybe he just hates this thing.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  He might just hate the, was it double zero design?

• 49:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  Concept?

• 50:00Matt Farah?

  I mean, I, I think there's aspects of that, of that design, of that thing that are really cool, that new Jaguar.

• 50:08Speaker 01

  I think the proportions are cool, and if they soften the whole thing, it's a concept car, right? It's gonna look insane.

• 50:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:14Speaker 01

  What, you know, what comes out of that would probably just look pretty cool and normal, but the launch, I don't know, we are, everyone on the, the commentariat online are, are very fickle and reactive bunch. And a lot of people were like, you know, look at this HVAC rear end on this thing and stuff like that.

• 50:28Matt Farah?

  Well, that's bad. No, the motel rear end is bad. The motel HVAC.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  It was a weird, it seemed like a lazy choice for a clay car, but if he had a hand in this, the new Defender, I think it looks great.

• 50:41Matt Farah?

  Too bad for him.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 50:43Matt Farah?

  Our, you know, our other friend, whose name I can't say yet, but he worked at that same company, who just left recently.

• 50:51Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 50:52Matt Farah?

  I just found out what he's doing, which is starting his own car company.

• 50:57Speaker 01

  Really?

• 50:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, to make, make a car that is the kind of car that, that he has been talking about making for a while.

• 51:03Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 51:04Matt Farah?

  So we'll have to, I got a press release, but I don't know if it was an NDA or anything like that.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 51:08Matt Farah?

  We'll, we're definitely gonna get him on the show to talk about it, but he, uh... It looks very promising, but I don't want to, I don't want to ruffle any feathers yet. So we'll have to kick that one in next week.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 51:20Matt Farah?

  But yeah, there's a, there's a thing there that's happening.

• 51:23Speaker 01

  Rad.

• 51:24Matt Farah?

  It's kind of exciting.

• 51:25Speaker 01

  He's a fun person, if he is who I think he is.

• 51:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the man likes a good time.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:31Matt Farah?

  Uh, before we get to the patrons, and there's a lot from you guys today. Uh, want to plug, we've just announced at Rodent Track, the, uh, the next event for, uh, at, over at experiences dot rodenttrack dot com. Uh, the next event in 2026, we've just announced, uh, and I have now blanked on the name of it. They only told me the name today. Keep, scroll down. They, we got, oh, is it not up?

• 52:00Speaker 01

  It's not there.

• 52:00Matt Farah?

  It was supposed to go up. Well, I'm just gonna fucking, I'm just gonna tell you, there, it's, it's gonna be the Pacific Northwest. It's going to be June 10th to 13th. Uh, it's going to be, uh, a rate, A, a racetrack, a very cool racetrack, as well as a day at Dirtfish. It's going to be, uh, Mount Rainier, um, Olympic Park, uh, all those beautiful roads, the Mount Rainier, Rainier roads. You know who I consulted with, uh, to, to develop this route? Uh, one Jason Fenske.

• 52:34Speaker 01

  Oh, right.

• 52:34Matt Farah?

  Uh, the expert in the area, gave some expert advice, uh, for this particular route. Haven't scouted it yet, but June in the Pacific Northwest, we've wanted to do this one for a really long time.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  Sweet.

• 52:46Matt Farah?

  I've been pushing for, for the Pacific Northwest. It's one of my favorite places to drive. It's so beautiful. Uh, the tracks are really cool up there. Dirtfish is awesome. Uh, there's some really, really cool hotels we're gonna hit. Um, and, uh, and then of course, April 2026 is gonna be Arizona, uh, Nevada. It's gonna be the desert, what's it called? What have we called it? Desert 600? Desert, what's it called? Desert Run 600. It's gonna be, uh, Vegas, Valley of Fire, Las Vegas Motorsports Park, Zion National Park. That beautiful road up and out, all the way, um, all the way to Sedona, and then ending in Scottsdale.

• 53:27Matt Farah?

  That one's gonna be super, super fun. Uh, you can sign up at experiences dot rodenttrack dot com.

• 53:32Speaker 01

  Awesome.

• 53:33Matt Farah?

  I am leading both, so you can, when you sign up, you're gonna be hanging out with me for a whole week, too. You can pay, you can pay to hang out with me. I don't actually see that money.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 53:43Matt Farah?

  Uh, you can pay someone else, a third party, to hang out with me. This is like a romance scam. You watch Coffeezilla this week?

• 53:49Speaker 01

  Mm-mm.

• 53:50Matt Farah?

  He debunked like some crazy romance scam, but like, it was basically a scammer posing as this agency that was going to set up fans with meeting their celebrities.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 54:03Matt Farah?

  They were trying to get fans of these like soap opera actors to pay into some subscription plan wherein they would get to like, have a phone call or like a chat or whatever with their like actors and this poor lady gave a lot of money. Yeah, it's shady, but like, this isn't that. You give, it's like that, but, but I'll really be there.

• 54:24Speaker 01

  You'll be there, you're not AI, yeah.

• 54:26Matt Farah?

  And you're not AI and you're giving, uh, and you're giving the money to Hearst.

• 54:29Speaker 01

  It's more like if you buy a VIP pass to like Mercedes F1 and Brad Pitt's there and he doesn't get the money.

• 54:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 54:35Speaker 01

  You can stand next to him and ask him annoying questions, you know?

• 54:38Matt Farah?

  Exactly, it's exactly that. Uh, but also the driving roads are gonna be really beautiful and the tracks are gonna be fun, so.

• 54:47Matt Farah?

  Desert in April, Pacific Northwest in June. And there'll be two more after that in 2026 that we have not uh, announced yet, cause they're not finalized. So, let's, uh, let's go to the people at the patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast. It's where you get the show live, it's where you get the show early, it's where you can get the show without ads, it's where you can get extra show, uh, and it's where you can get exclusive access to, uh, merch collabs and all kinds of other.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  And it's the best way to support, to support the show.

• 55:18Matt Farah?

  Most importantly, that. Uh, better than listening to all the ads or doing YouTube premium or doing any of those things. Not to say that you shouldn't listen to our wonderful advertisers, you should.

• 55:31Matt Farah?

  Um, oh, do you, well, I guess you probably want to talk about how the track, you're going to track day tomorrow at Streets of Willow.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 55:39Matt Farah?

  But I guess I usually probably.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  Talk about it after.

• 55:42Matt Farah?

  Once it's, once it's over.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then, and then I'll tell you my funny BMW morning light story later.

• 55:48Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 55:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, fine.

• 55:52Matt Farah?

  Later?

• 55:53Speaker 01

  That's later. I was gonna say, I took my first Waymo yesterday and ask you a question about it, because you have more experience.

• 55:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  So my Waymo.

• 55:59Matt Farah?

  Took a Waymo to dinner last night.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  Drove great, aggressive at times that surprised me, very meek at other times, that also surprised me. But the one question I had is, a number of times, it would be heading north on a really big, empty suburban road. You know, we're heading north towards Beverly Hills, and it would turn, it turned right, and then left, and I went, "Oh, maybe there's traffic up ahead. I didn't, I didn't see, something was going on." But the next time it did it, I started paying attention, and so it's heading up this.

• 56:27Matt Farah?

  So it was zigzagging?

• 56:28Speaker 01

  It was zigzagging.

• 56:29Matt Farah?

  Through Beverly Hills?

• 56:30Speaker 01

  Through, kind of near like the Fox, uh, the Fox lot area.

• 56:34Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  And I just went, okay, we're not gaining time, we're not avoiding anything.

• 56:38Matt Farah?

  My Waymo took basically the same route.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  It was, it was a good route, there was very little traffic, but I was just confused why it was deviating. Do you know, have any insight?

• 56:46Matt Farah?

  Okay, so you know how like Waze used to do that?

• 56:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 56:50Matt Farah?

  Right, and, and so, neighbors complained. And they, and they bitched and bitched and bitched to both Google and Waze and to city governments, saying that, "Our neighborhood is now the shortcut around this traffic every day, thanks to your shit." And they, they, uh, like basically, redlined, for lack of a better word, blacklisted, whatever, black, blackout, certain neighborhoods, so like Waze won't do that anymore. Waze will take you on major arterial roads for all but, you know, the worst traffic incidents, right?

• 57:31Speaker 01

  Got it, okay.

• 57:32Matt Farah?

  Not so much Waymo.

• 57:34Speaker 01

  Not yet, yeah.

• 57:34Matt Farah?

  Cause there's just not enough of that for people to complain, right? And they're all driving mad, they're driving, you know, by the fucking book. They're not mobbing angrily. So, so Waymos will still do the mad avoidance through residential shit that Waze won't have you doing anymore.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 57:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:53Speaker 01

  It seemed like it was adding steps, but um, someone else, I posted on Instagram and they said, oh, maybe it's like still mapping streets. So it uses your route, okay.

• 58:02Matt Farah?

  I think, I think it just, I think it has the good maps.

• 58:06Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 58:07Matt Farah?

  I think they want you, they want to find, they want you to find reasons to go, oh, the Waymo, it knows, it really, it knows better.

• 58:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:17Matt Farah?

  Better than my GPS, better than an Uber driver. This Waymo knows the better way to get there. Like, they want you to know that shit. Uh, I took, and I, you know, I took, I took a Waymo dinner also, and I took Sean, my trainer, who had never been in one. It was actually pretty funny. My natural instinct, when I get in a Waymo, is to get in the back. What seat did you get in?

• 58:39Speaker 01

  First time I got in, I got in the backseat on the right.

• 58:42Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 58:42Speaker 01

  And strangely, the front passenger seat was shoved way back.

• 58:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  Which I thought was weird because every Uber or Lyft you get into, the front passenger seat is often moved forward.

• 58:52Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  Because people get in from the curb.

• 58:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:54Speaker 01

  This was the opposite.

• 58:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  So that was strange. And then the second, on the way home, I sat in the front seat.

• 58:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:59Speaker 01

  So I could lean it back, because my back was bothering me after the bench we sat in.

• 59:02Matt Farah?

  I think you should have, you should have the controls in the backseat to move the front seat forward.

• 59:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, that, they need that.

• 59:08Matt Farah?

  You don't have that, but yeah, so funny thing is my instinct was to get in the backseat. Sean, right away, front seat.

• 59:15Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 59:16Matt Farah?

  He was, he went right to it, no hesitation.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Cause he wanted to watch how it worked.

• 59:19Matt Farah?

  I guess, that's where he went, that's where he went, yeah. Uh, he was, he was, uh, like most people, shocking, like, the amount of time it took him to get, to be totally comfortable without a driver being there was very short.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I watched the radar, I like to have the radar display. I like that, it shows you what it sees, and it sees a lot.

• 59:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  And I was particularly impressed by its ability to see people at long distance in the dark.

• 59:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, that's LightR.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  Hundreds of feet.

• 59:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's LightR.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  People there, and on the way back, I watched a movie. I treat it like a plane. I watched this rock climbing movie and I was like, alright, what else am I gonna do? I've seen these streets before. So yeah.

• 59:59Matt Farah?

  Spotify.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Pretty wild stuff.

• 1:00:01Matt Farah?

  So anyway.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  But, a problem I realized is that when I got into the second car on the way home, someone had left their coffee cup there. And there's no one to clean that out until they go back to their base.

• 1:00:12Matt Farah?

  Didn't I tell you when I got to the restaurant, that when I, I didn't notice it the whole time, cuz I had gotten in back left, cuz the driver's seat was pretty far forward. So, I got in back left, Sean was front right. And, uh, and I got out curb side, so I crawled across, cuz it was a fairly busy road. So I crawled across, and as I crawled across, I kicked a beer can on the floor, and I was like, aww.

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  It feels weird when you're like, oh, and someone probably just forgot their coffee cup. I think they forgot it cuz it was in the cup holder. The beer can was discarded.

• 1:00:45Matt Farah?

  The beer can was discarded. This was someone's trash can. And that's just, that's gonna happen.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So anyway.

• 1:00:53Matt Farah?

  Questions from the people. Murder Death Kill 'Em All said, "My dad and I each picked up a Boxster S986 for 10K. Uh, can you think of any car that delivers a better experience on twisty roads for less?" No, while it's working, that's probably about as good as it gets.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:12Matt Farah?

  There's an argument for, like, I mean, for less, there's an argument for like a Toyota MR2, maybe.

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  Maybe. But that's, that's a pretty good bargain.

• 1:01:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's a great bargain, as long as it works.

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:01:24Matt Farah?

  The problem is, with a cheap Boxster, almost anything can total it. It's the, it's the most totalable car. Needs an oil change? Sorry. Sorry, son.

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  That's, when I read this, the only benefit of like Miata is you know it's just gonna work and repairs will be cheap and easy.

• 1:01:40Matt Farah?

  Sure. Um, but I mean, I think, I think you have come out, come out ahead, let's just say.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  Matatat? That's funny.

• 1:01:48Matt Farah?

  Matatat says, "You often talk about how the Ford GT Silver No Stripe is a more valuable spec. Any other examples of other options that have outsized effect on value?" Sure.

• 1:02:03Matt Farah?

  Choosing a manual in a Ferrari. Ferrari manuals. Ferrari manuals were cheaper. Yep. The Ferrari manuals were cheaper when they were new. That's, that's a great one.

• 1:02:15Matt Farah?

  Outsize the effect on value. Had you gotten a, had you gotten any Lamborghini in the 1990s, painted a non-standard color? Had you spent whatever it cost, what would have been a lot then, 25 grand, to paint it just any different color would probably return 200 grand today. Wow.

• 1:02:44Matt Farah?

  But, I mean, there's no, there's no better one than manuals with Ferraris. I mean, that's just, that's the most obvious one.

• 1:02:54Matt Farah?

  Has any...

• 1:02:58Matt Farah?

  Well, a lot of times the option is connected to rarity. So that, that's, so like, I could, you could say the Ferrari Super America that was, that had the different roof mechanism and they only made or whatever, the Ferrari, the 550 Barqueta. You know, that's a same car, but different, you know, roof designs kind of thing. I would say, changing the roof design, an Aston Martin Zagato, shooting brake. Anytime there's a shooting brake, anytime there's a speedster. You know, if you change the roof shape of a car. Which also leads to rarity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna have, you're gonna have a, probably an outsized effect down the road. Yeah. That's a good question, though. Listen and sometimes watch.

• 1:03:44Matt Farah?

  You've talked a lot about how certain cars aren't worth their value in terms of driving experience. What are some cars whose driving experience is higher than their value? Oh, that's gonna be pretty easy. Okay, I would say,

• 1:03:59Matt Farah?

  I would say, okay, hang on.

• 1:04:05Matt Farah?

  Driving experience, I shouldn't have said that.

• 1:04:07Speaker 01

  Corvette Z06, I think the C8 Corvette Z06 is totally one.

• 1:04:10Matt Farah?

  Great place to start, absolutely, 100%. How about, I will say, a Ferrari 348 GTS or GTB, which is

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  94.

• 1:04:23Matt Farah?

  most of the way to a 355. In fact, in some ways, it's better than a 355 for about 50% less money than a 355.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  I know you don't like them, but I will say Kit Cobras and some other replicas because the price of a real one, you can get real fucking close with a Kit.

• 1:04:48Matt Farah?

  I would say that about a really good GT40 replica.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah.

• 1:04:52Matt Farah?

  I personally like the GT40s better than the Cobras mainly because for ergonomic reasons.

• 1:04:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they also look awesome.

• 1:05:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they look great.

• 1:05:02Speaker 01

  You don't have to sell me on that.

• 1:05:04Matt Farah?

  Driving experience higher than their value? I think a Lancia, they're probably expensive now. How about like a non-numbers matching Porsche 356 that's worth like 60 grand, but if the numbers matched, it would be worth 150 grand, like that kind of thing. Non-numbers matching muscle cars.

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  996s for the most part. Like, they just don't command the same price for pretty much very similar performance to 997s.

• 1:05:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a pretty good one. How about a Subaru RSTI? Pick one up for like 25 grand, but that's a rowdy fucking experience.

• 1:05:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Re-education through working on shitboxes, wow. A Rise Against reference in the comments, A+ for the day. I will take all lefty punk music, please. Aside from good professional photos, what are some of the best things one can do for a high mileage vehicle to bring as much value as possible in a sale? I would say transparency. I mean, if you do the things that people would pay for a PPI to do, if you do like compression test results, tire paint meter readings, tire tread depth readings.

• 1:06:31Matt Farah?

  I mean, just like a huge amount of information that show really good underbody photos that show the underside of the car is really clean.

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  Basically, if you address people's concerns, you know, with a higher mileage car, there's maintenance you can do to keep it going for a long time. Compression's a great one because someone's gonna, a smart buyer would go, "Okay, they told me that the plugs have been changed and the water thermostat's good and stuff, but how's the compression? Am I gonna have to deal with that? Or, you know, is there any sort of like oiling problem?" Also, it's a classic, but if you clean it really well and take good pictures, because again, it's about showing people, here's exactly what it looks like in its best light, clearly, and also here's how good it can look, but you're not trying to get away with something.

• 1:07:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Um, Tim A. says, "24 hours later, can we have a temperature check on manual swapping a Ferrari 599 as an NSX replacement?"

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  Have you started shopping?

• 1:07:27Matt Farah?

  The point is to go minus one. I have to go minus one for a while and sit on the money and not do anything.

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  We'll check back in like...

• 1:07:36Matt Farah?

  We can check back in a few months.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  Four months.

• 1:07:39Matt Farah?

  But, yeah, but also, it sounds awesome. Wait, go back up.

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  Oh, my bad.

• 1:07:49Matt Farah?

  I have Rage Against the Mock E., "I have a manual conversion 612 Scalietti. It's actually kind of awesome, but I want to sell it to downsize the collection, which is at eight. 612 values are really low, though. Do you see their values ever going up?"

• 1:08:08Matt Farah?

  Man, they're not...

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  They look weird.

• 1:08:12Matt Farah?

  They're not the prettiest Ferraris. They look a little strange to me.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  And I think so many Ferraris have risen in value lately, along with most other cars. And we softened a little bit in the last year. But if they didn't move much, then they remain a bargain option for someone who wants a front-engine V12.

• 1:08:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:30Speaker 01

  But I don't know what would cause them to rise...

• 1:08:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  Unless we can wait a much longer time. So if this person, I don't think they're willing to wait five years.

• 1:08:39Matt Farah?

  I think it's more like 20 years.

• 1:08:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:08:41Matt Farah?

  It's not, it's until it's a classic, classic.

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  Until people go, "You know what?"

• 1:08:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  And also that...

• 1:08:46Matt Farah?

  You know, that was actually...

• 1:08:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that also requires all the other ones to be prohibitively expensive.

• 1:08:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Which just happened to the Ferrari 400i. People my age, all of a sudden are deciding that the 400i is actually good.

• 1:09:01Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:09:02Matt Farah?

  Um, I think it's because Nicolas Cage drove it in, uh...

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  Leaving?

• 1:09:06Matt Farah?

  No, in, um, what's that great movie he was in a couple of years ago?

• 1:09:11Speaker 01

  The Rock.

• 1:09:11Matt Farah?

  The, um, Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent.

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  Oh, I did not see that.

• 1:09:17Matt Farah?

  You didn't?

• 1:09:18Speaker 01

  I heard it was great.

• 1:09:19Matt Farah?

  I mean, I, I, I happen to think the Ferrari 400 is a pretty nice-looking car, in the right color, at the right ride height.

• 1:09:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd have to see it, I'd have to see it in person, because from here, the front, all I think is like, early 90s Accord? Late 80s Accord? And that's manufacturing at the time. But, I mean, you know, if people are starting to pay big money for these...

• 1:09:41Matt Farah?

  It has the, some angles that are much better than others. I think the rear three-quarter is pretty kick-ass.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  Proportions, great.

• 1:09:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. And that one's, that one's at the right, nice ride height there, too. I don't think that, that last photo you looked at wasn't helped. It was under acceleration and the nose was high. It looked a little weird.

• 1:10:00Speaker 01

  Oh, I wasn't looking at that at all. I was just looking at the, the shape of the front, to me. This just... It reminds me of too many, I think, economy cars.

• 1:10:07Matt Farah?

  They look really good in black.

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:10:10Matt Farah?

  In black. Just Google a picture of a black Ferrari 400i, and it, it is much, much better. I, I, I love that light blue color in Ferraris, but the, but in black... Uh, look at that third, like, the, uh... Yeah, just, you know, pick a good one. Yeah, that one looks nice. I think black, uh, black really does serve this shape very nicely.

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  I agree with you. This...

• 1:10:39Matt Farah?

  That one looks like it might have been crashed.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  It does, right? That, something's up there.

• 1:10:43Matt Farah?

  I think we zoomed in on the wrong car. I think this one might have been crashed.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  It's not, it's unrestored, Matt.

• 1:10:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  This is a...

• 1:10:49Matt Farah?

  But the rear, the rear three-quarter, that's, that's the angle I love. The rear three-quarter.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  These quad pipes angled up, forget about it.

• 1:10:56Matt Farah?

  It's great.

• 1:10:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:57Matt Farah?

  And if that thing, if this car was dropped like a half inch, the one we had down at the South Bay store for a minute, remember that one? Did you see it? It was just a little bit lower than this. It was awesome. Looking. I drove it once and it was terrible.

• 1:11:13Speaker 01

  What are people paying for these now?

• 1:11:18Matt Farah?

  A shitter is probably like 60 grand and a, and a, a really good one might be 140 or 150 restored.

• 1:11:27Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 1:11:27Matt Farah?

  I would not say this is a $140,000 driving experience at all. I drove it. It was fine. Um, it's not what I would want to drive. Um, but I do think it looks cool. Just as an example of something, to the, back to the question.

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  The 612 could get...

• 1:11:42Matt Farah?

  For 20 years, those were like shitters and now some people of style and taste, like they're becoming ironically cool.

• 1:11:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:11:50Matt Farah?

  Right? And they have to go through ironic cool to get to actual cool. So you gotta hang on for...

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  I think the 612, you know, 456s right now.

• 1:11:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  Are having their, a little bit of their day, but they're still pretty cheap. I think Manish Pandey, uh, director of Sena.

• 1:12:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  He bought one like a year ago and loves it.

• 1:12:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  And...

• 1:12:09Matt Farah?

  Well, underneath it's a 550.

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  Right. So you can get this cool experience, but I think if, if you were looking to consolidate, I, I would just do it now. And...

• 1:12:18Matt Farah?

  What do you mean?

• 1:12:19Speaker 01

  Sorry, the guy with the 612.

• 1:12:20Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  I would sell it, I would sell it now because I think you have to wait a long time.

• 1:12:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And I think, I think you'll, you'll, I mean, if you market it well and get good photos and, you know, I think you, it would be a fun thing for somebody who wants to get...

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:12:33Matt Farah?

  ...with that kind of car.

• 1:12:37Matt Farah?

  Okay, uh, the Stig's Laotian cousin drove the Prelude, uh, the new Prelude, and said at no markup, didn't find it good enough to trade in the GR Corolla.

• 1:12:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, this person had put a deposit on it and they were checking back because we talked about it last week. And so they think they pulled their deposit.

• 1:12:54Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm. Um. Uh.

• 1:12:58Matt Farah?

  Rage, oh wait, hang on.

• 1:13:02Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 1:13:05Matt Farah?

  Uh, two clutches, one shift, now does the warheads trick, uh, thanks about panic attacks. I know, you know, I haven't had any panic attacks since I eliminated most of the caffeine and the sativa weed, so it, uh, it seems like we may have solved that problem.

• 1:13:21Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 1:13:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Two clutches, one shift, uh, says, uh, best friend wants a 2008 G55 in the mid 30s. Trying to warn him about what he might be getting into. Um, I mean, these cars are so expensive to maintain. Our friend Sarah was like.

• 1:13:48Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:13:48Matt Farah?

  She, she bought one that looked so cool, we featured it in the video, and man, was she on fucking pins and needles every second driving this thing. Because the most expensive things would go wrong.

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  And hers wasn't a fancy one. It looked rad, it was tan, but it was a little scruffy in places, but that doesn't mean it will be cheap to repair.

• 1:14:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:09Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:14:09Matt Farah?

  There's so many parts on G wagons that are only on G wagons.

• 1:14:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:13Matt Farah?

  And, uh, dude, they cost a fucking fortune to run. There's a reason these things are pretty cheap. Um, but, you know.

• 1:14:24Speaker 01

  Our friend Armin got one and so far, I think it's been good.

• 1:14:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  But it gets terrible, it's their city car.

• 1:14:30Matt Farah?

  It's also that.

• 1:14:30Speaker 01

  It's like terrible gas mileage.

• 1:14:31Matt Farah?

  Fewer efficient.

• 1:14:32Speaker 01

  But, uh, yeah, you know, like anything, if, if the car used to cost 120 to buy, it'll cost, um, proportionally correct to repair.

• 1:14:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and this, this more so than most, uh, you know, a cheap G wagon is not a, a, you know, reliable thing.

• 1:14:51Matt Farah?

  I'm sorry to say. Crouching sunbeam tiger hidden wagon. Wow, there's like two happening at once there. Uh, are either of you familiar with mischief from the early 2000s? Yes, I am very familiar with.

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  Tech academics dude mischief 3000.

• 1:15:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I met that guy a few times back in the day. Yeah, he was around. He was like, he was like, uh, he was around New York. Uh, Ferretti knew him.

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  Didn't one of the guys turn into like a tuner out here also?

• 1:15:18Matt Farah?

  I don't remember.

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  Sorry, I cut you off.

• 1:15:20Matt Farah?

  No, I don't know. I just, I don't remember. Maybe. I don't know what happened to them.

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:24Matt Farah?

  I have no idea, but Ferretti was friends with one of them because they were selling DVDs. Ferretti was selling DVDs. They were like in the fucking dirtbag DVD club. Ferretti wore better clothes, but he was, when he was younger, he was a proper dirtbag. Um, yeah, if, if anyone knows Dustin, um.

• 1:15:43Speaker 01

  I mean, that video got me stoked about E36s, modifying stuff. Uh, S4 wagons, when the, and the wheel came off, I think it was S4 in the video, the wheel comes off and rolls at like 120 miles an hour. And being a general dirtbag and it was a little bit of like a car skate video, actually before Jim Kana, because it was like, here's these people with a quote, cheap car. And they're on this rally with people that are in 911 turbos.

• 1:16:08Matt Farah?

  Cars, yeah.

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  And they're doing burnouts and running with them and stuff. So I, I was into it.

• 1:16:12Matt Farah?

  I think Alex Roy might have known Dustin too.

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  Sure. Yeah.

• 1:16:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that would be a fun podcast guest, actually.

• 1:16:20Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:16:21Matt Farah?

  Uh, Josh J says, thoughts on the Pontiac GTOs, the early 2000s ones? Uh, on paper, a rear wheel drive, six speed NAV8 should be sought after these days, but it never comes up. Was it dynamically unimpressive? No, actually they were, they were pretty nice cars. I thought it was silly. They were called GTOs because they, they, man, I mean, Pon, if Pontiac had done. What Ford and Chevy did, you know, if they had done a GTO, like it looked like a muscle.

• 1:16:51Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:16:51Matt Farah?

  I think it would have been enormously successful. I really do. I think, I think they could have called that the fucking Pontiac Commodore. Like it's a, it's a hold in, like, which is fine. Like they could have like leaned into that.

• 1:17:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:05Matt Farah?

  But calling it a GTO was pretty lame. The styling was pretty soft.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  The interior was nice.

• 1:17:12Matt Farah?

  It was, it was a better built muscle car than their own shit for most of that time. When they were, when Pontiac was doing the F body and GM had the, was finishing out the, the Camaro SS and, and these guys and Pontiac had the GTO. It was a much better made car.

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  Their timing, uh, so yeah, GTO came out, the new one came out in 06. Fifth gen Mustang was 05.

• 1:17:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But the Camaro didn't come out until 2010. They had, they had it.

• 1:17:44Speaker 01

  No, no, but I was wondering, did Ford make the bet on retro design first? And when, and then Pontiac realized, oh, we fucked up.

• 1:17:52Matt Farah?

  Well, no, first we had the PT Cruiser and the Prowler.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:57Matt Farah?

  So that goes, the Prowler was 90, the concept car was 95, the, the production car was 97. You then had PT Cruiser, you then had, um, HHR. And then you had the Chevy, had the SS, the pickup truck thing. Retro was full fucking going. So they were all ahead. Ford was, the Mustang was like what kind of, uh, it was a response really to that.

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  You know what's funny then? I think that GM went too far in my opinion with HHR. It was a little bit like cartoonish bubbly 1930s, 40s suburban wagon. And it was like cool, some people liked it, but didn't, it didn't catch fire the way the Mustang did.

• 1:18:37Matt Farah?

  It was literally just copying. How, how close can we copy the PT Cruiser?

• 1:18:41Speaker 01

  Sure, which I also think was like.

• 1:18:42Matt Farah?

  So many people bought those fucking things, dude. We make fun of them. So many people bought those things.

• 1:18:48Speaker 01

  That's true. I don't know, maybe Ford just got it, they just threaded the needle perfectly.

• 1:18:52Matt Farah?

  It was a, I mean, they, they caught a bit of Volkswagen Beetle boomer nostalgia is basically what that was.

• 1:18:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:19:00Matt Farah?

  And it was, and the PT Cruiser was an economy car that was a little more upright, like halfway to being like a crossover, you know what I mean?

• 1:19:08Speaker 01

  They sold over a million of those things.

• 1:19:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they sold so many goddamn PT Cruisers.

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  My ex-girlfriend had one.

• 1:19:14Matt Farah?

  Crazy number of PT Cruisers, yeah.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 1:19:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, they messed up. The GTO could have been the thing. Uh, do they, I've never driven one. Do they drive well? I've seen them at racetracks.

• 1:19:23Matt Farah?

  You ever drive a Neon?

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:19:26Matt Farah?

  They drive exactly like a Neon. Um, they're.

• 1:19:28Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:19:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:30Speaker 01

  But with the rear wheel drive and the big V8 on?

• 1:19:32Matt Farah?

  A PT Cruiser?

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  Sorry, I meant GTO.

• 1:19:34Matt Farah?

  Oh, a GTO.

• 1:19:35Speaker 01

  I changed course without telling you.

• 1:19:36Matt Farah?

  Oh, I'm so sorry.

• 1:19:36Speaker 01

  No, the PT Cruiser I drove.

• 1:19:37Matt Farah?

  I was still on the PT Cruiser.

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  PT Cruiser sucks.

• 1:19:39Matt Farah?

  I know, GTO drives a Neon. No, um, you driven a Chevy SS?

• 1:19:43Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:45Matt Farah?

  Or a G8, GX Pontiac G8? They drive like that. Like, like, like a earlier, a little bit rawer version of that, but like, they're very pleasant to drive. They're nice. They are heavy. They're good. They make really good road trip cars. Uh, you know who fucked, remember, um,

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  Hey's had one.

• 1:20:03Matt Farah?

  ACP. ACP has his stunt car is one.

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  Oh, that makes sense.

• 1:20:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. They make a good, they make a good stunt car, good drift car, and a good road trip car. It's, they're nice. Yeah, they, they are nice.

• 1:20:14Speaker 01

  I think they're America's SC430.

• 1:20:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't, I don't know, like, I don't mind them, how they, how that car looks as an Australian Holden. Like, I don't legitimately don't mind it, but something about it as a GTO is just so lame to me.

• 1:20:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:30Matt Farah?

  Isn't that a bummer?

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:31Matt Farah?

  What's in a name?

• 1:20:32Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:20:32Matt Farah?

  It's just not a GTO.

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  I love GTOs, but yeah.

• 1:20:35Matt Farah?

  I don't think Pontiac had any money. That's why they did that. Uh, they didn't have the money for a Firebird replacement. Obviously, they were like on their way out anyway, and it was a whole like, what's laying around kind of thing?

• 1:20:46Speaker 01

  They had a budget to print three letters on plastic, and Ford was like, we redesigned an entire car.

• 1:20:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and they changed the bumpers on, on the Holden Commodore and made it the G8.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:20:57Matt Farah?

  I forget what the two-door one was called. It wasn't the Commodore, but it was basically the two-door version of the same car. Um, fuck, what was it called? Damn it, someone's gonna get real mad that I don't know that, but who cares? Kurt Bergstedt says, oh, can we have? Uh, I mean, okay, that's just a request for a guest. "Nobody cares about my G70, straight up. Do either of you still enjoy wrenching on your own cars, or do you simply not have the time?"

• 1:21:22Speaker 01

  Yes, to both of those questions.

• 1:21:24Matt Farah?

  Do you enjoy wrenching on your car?

• 1:21:26Speaker 01

  I enjoy it because it's a singular focus thing. If I have the time and I can just go in there and no email, no text, stuff like that, and it just gives my hands and brain something to do. I think it's like you playing guitar.

• 1:21:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  Although, playing guitar can't really go wrong the way wrenching can.

• 1:21:42Matt Farah?

  That's true.

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:43Matt Farah?

  I do not enjoy wrenching on my own car. I have to crawl into uncomfortable positions that hurt my body. And I don't trust myself to do it right. And I want to drive my car fast on the side of a mountain. So like, let me pay someone who knows what they're doing to make sure that my car doesn't cause me to die.

• 1:22:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:02Matt Farah?

  Um, having said that, like, I'm not like not handy. Like, I can fix shit around my house a little bit. Like, I just rebuilt my pool robot. Like, it was, and so like, I'm not like super not handy or not willing to do shit, but like, I, I, you know, I need my car to work at a limit and I don't trust myself.

• 1:22:25Speaker 01

  You don't want to wrench on your Taycan?

• 1:22:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, I'll change wheels and I'll do stuff, I'll do basic little shit like that, but um, I don't, I don't, I have other things to do and I don't really care that much. Uh, Westside Garage 419, there we go. "Why does it seem like nobody likes black wheels except me? What am I missing?" Um, I think black wheels make your wheels generally look smaller than they are.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:22:53Matt Farah?

  Um.

• 1:22:54Speaker 01

  Until we can change the color of tires really well.

• 1:22:56Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  I just think it turns, unless it's a very clear picture with the right light, it makes your wheel well look like a black hole and there's nothing in it. And if, especially if your car is black, like, I just think it doesn't look good unless it's a perfect picture.

• 1:23:09Matt Farah?

  Also, black is not a...

• 1:23:14Matt Farah?

  Black is a state of mind. Um, there's not one black. Are we talking about, are we talking about the black that you would get on the factory wheels of a Honda Civic? That are like fairly crappy aluminum wheels, just paint, you know, painted. Are they HREs with like a beautiful finish that catches the light right, you know, are, you know, there's, there's different ways to do black and like, how does the black of the wheel interact with the black of the car? Is it the same? Is it different? Is it, um, so I don't think all, all black wheels are bad. I think they don't, black doesn't look good on certain colors. I would never put black wheels on a blue car, for instance. I don't think that looks good at all.

• 1:23:57Matt Farah?

  Um, but there's instances where it can look good. I just do think it makes the wheels look smaller.

• 1:24:07Matt Farah?

  Christian says, "A long time ago, you partnered with a dealership to review a 458 Special. Would you partner with another dealer to review special cars like the LFA? Only if the driving opportunity was like appropriate, like in the case of that video you're referring to, that wasn't like a real drive. I like puttered around the fucking block. It was kind of bullshit, actually. Now, I'm not saying it wasn't nice of them to offer and I did it, but like, that's not what I would do. If it was like, we're gonna meet you at a track or something with this car, then I would say yes. But outside of that, like, no. Dealers like,

• 1:24:46Matt Farah?

  are not who you want to work with when you're, because they need to sell that car. They don't, they don't need to sell cars. They need to sell that car.

• 1:24:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:54Matt Farah?

  And you can't, you then can't treat it like you need to treat it.

• 1:24:59Matt Farah?

  The Grumbler 500, "What do you think about the Rolex Datejust 2? How will it age, meaning appreciate? It will not appreciate. No, no, no Datejust will appreciate unless it's like, some crate, no, no, no Datejust will appreciate. Sorry. That's not an appreciating asset. Um, if you, a, a Datejust is a lovely thing for time telling. Uh, it is, it is, it's, it's a watch.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  I know, but I've never heard you say that about a Rolex. That's so funny.

• 1:25:28Matt Farah?

  It's a very nice watch. It is a very nice watch, but like, it's not an appreciating asset. It's a treat yourself kind of watch.

• 1:25:36Matt Farah?

  So, um,

• 1:25:39Matt Farah?

  You know, are there other watches to consider? That's a passion purchase, so, I mean, every every other company makes a version of the Rolex Datejust. You have, we talked about this like two shows ago. You have the Omega Aqua Terra, you have, um, every, pretty much every, Grand Seiko makes 12 watches that are interchangeable with the Datejust. Um, you know, so, so, but, but this is passion, right? So, I, I have the, I have a Datejust that I really like. Um, but I don't expect to ever see the money again that I paid for it. I would definitely rather have a Grand Seiko. I think they look nicer. Well, they're certainly more interesting, you know?

• 1:26:24Matt Farah?

  Um, I'd probably rather, I, I also have the Roast, the Oyster Perpetual 41 with the colorful dial, and I'd rather have that, too.

• 1:26:35Matt Farah?

  Okay, the Stig's non-driving cousin, a 169,000 mile, uh, 991 Carrera S coupe, just sold on Cars and Bids for just under 40 grand. Uh, all driven by the original owner, which begs the question, why are so many 911 owners afraid to put miles on their cars? Well, I think first that makes an assumption that isn't necessarily true. It's not been my experience that most 911 owners are afraid to put miles in their cars. In fact, I find that California has a high concentration of 911s and people tend to actually drive them. The, the clubs we see the most in the canyons are Porsche clubs. Yeah, so I think it's, I think while, yes, you will find low mile, like,

• 1:27:21Matt Farah?

  a lot of people who have Porsches have cars that are better for daily driving. Like, a lot of people who have a 911, like, to put 170,000 miles on a Porsche, you probably don't have, like, kids. Like, you prob, you probably have a lifestyle that suits driving that car, and like, good for you. That's cool. But like, a lot of people, like, people who keep their cars with me, they have a daily because they have, like, kids, or dogs, or like, a, a life outside of driving their car, and they can't, you know, they couldn't make that work. Yeah. Um, I'm sure there's people, by the way, if you, if you're a capitalist ahead of a car guy, which is fine, if that's what you want to be, um, there's a, a lot of, there potentially,

• 1:28:05Matt Farah?

  if you buy the right car, a lot of profit in not driving it.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:28:09Matt Farah?

  If you get an allocation for a GT3 at sticker and you don't drive it, you're gonna make a lot of money. That might be important to you, uh, you know, if you're, but if that guy was like, I'm gonna buy a 911 and fucking drive it into the ground and, okay, that's not a terrible investment either. I mean, that car was probably, I don't know, a hundred grand in 2013, a hundred and five maybe? And if it, if he'd spent, drove it a hundred and seventy thousand miles and lost sixty thousand, seventy thousand dollars in that many miles, like, that's fucking great value, so good.

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  It's a good time, but it, it takes real work to drive a sports car that much. Like, I've had my car nine years.

• 1:28:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:50Speaker 01

  I've driven, uh, sixty thousand miles in nine years. Granted, press cars and stuff, but like, that's my only car.

• 1:28:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:57Speaker 01

  And it still has taken me that long to do that. So imagine if you're, to your point, if you're a family person and you have a daily and a commuter, and you drive it on the weekends or once a week to the office or whatever, you've just reduced your annual mileage by eighty percent.

• 1:29:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:10Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:29:11Matt Farah?

  I think there's also people that would rather not commute in their 911 for one reason or another, you know, like, I, I am not afraid of putting miles on my Spyder by any means. I'm, I have no intention of ever selling that car and I don't give a fuck what the odometer says. Makes no difference to me, but that doesn't mean I wanted to drive it to dinner last night, fucking zigzagging across, that's not fun for me.

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 1:29:36Matt Farah?

  So, like, I leave it at home. So, I, you may, that person, I, if they live, if, if I lived in, um, the woods in Connecticut, like where my parents lived, hell yeah, give me an all-wheel drive 911 and that's, and two sets of wheels, and that's my car, no problem. But, uh, not here, so, you know, different strokes for different folks. She likes it in the ADAS.

• 1:30:00Speaker 01

  I love this one.

• 1:30:00Matt Farah?

  Is potentially the best username I've ever read.

• 1:30:05Matt Farah?

  With the talk about what options have added value for collector cars, can you think about any options that have directly hurt the value of cars? Faux show. Three letters, SMG.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:30:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:18Matt Farah?

  SMG, any convertibles? Convertibles are more expensive on the front end and cheaper in the secondhand market.

• 1:30:24Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 1:30:27Speaker 01

  I mean, to use my own answer from before in reverse, like paddle shifter transmission versus manual transmission.

• 1:30:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:33Speaker 01

  But, um, I don't want the cheaper side of things.

• 1:30:37Matt Farah?

  Let's see if, uh...

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  With collector cars, I think when you get the base of something, like, and I mean, like, if you get a C8 Corvette without the Z51 package, then the enthusiasts are not drawn to it as much because it can't even handle, like, basic track work and all the things the car and the platform can handle.

• 1:30:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:55Speaker 01

  Now you don't have any of that cool stuff.

• 1:30:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:01Matt Farah?

  Um, I, hmm. It's, like, certainly transmissions. Because the, those paddle shifter ones are, were more expensive.

• 1:31:09Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. Uh, options that hurt the value?

• 1:31:13Matt Farah?

  The biggest ones, it's gotta be convertible tops, single, you know, semi-automated gearboxes. Uh, I mean, certainly colors. I mean, you could, you could spec a car that may, that was hideous.

• 1:31:28Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:31:29Matt Farah?

  Certain companies will let you.

• 1:31:31Speaker 01

  I would add complicated suspension before the tech was really ready.

• 1:31:34Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:31:35Speaker 01

  Like, you know, air suspension or height adjustable stuff when it's just known for breaking and being incredibly expensive to fix. Or like twin-turbo V12 Mercedes, you know, versus 4-liter V8 or something like that.

• 1:31:48Matt Farah?

  Uh...

• 1:31:51Speaker 01

  We got like six.

• 1:31:51Matt Farah?

  Johnny EV Gearberman says if a ND1 C5 Corvette and a 986 Boxster S are the same price, what are you picking?

• 1:32:02Speaker 01

  Uh, do you want to FMK it?

• 1:32:04Matt Farah?

  Oh, fuck, marry, kill? All right, fine. You marry the Miata, you fuck the Porsche, you kill the Corvette.

• 1:32:11Speaker 01

  Uh, I would marry the Miata and I would fuck the Corvette and I would kill the Boxster.

• 1:32:16Matt Farah?

  Boxster would just die on its own. Chabi says, have I, have I thought of trading the Countach into a Diablo or Mercy? No, why would I do that? Do people not? Poster car, you don't upgrade your post, the poster car exists in stasis. There is no, there's no like, oh, let me upgrade this to whatever the newer version is. That was the dream. The dream is there, the dream is real, the dream is here. The dream is to drive that car. Not fucking rollover minutes. Diablo's are okay. They're lovely, they really are. But they don't really, they don't really do it for me.

• 1:32:52Speaker 01

  I agree, I think the Countach looks better.

• 1:32:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Smaller.

• 1:32:56Speaker 01

  Last four.

• 1:32:58Matt Farah?

  This is the funniest question ever. John Hennessy, you next Tuesday, would you ever do a show stoned? No.

• 1:33:05Speaker 01

  Would you?

• 1:33:06Matt Farah?

  Absolutely not.

• 1:33:07Speaker 01

  No?

• 1:33:07Matt Farah?

  I would absolutely not, never, never would I prepare for a podcast by smoking the weed. Never.

• 1:33:14Speaker 01

  Yep, that's the Quaker in you.

• 1:33:16Matt Farah?

  Why would I do that? Sob story says best, wait. Uh, what, okay, what, uh, what is the best unused car model name that a manufacturer should consider bringing back? I'm sure Probe is not the answer, but always thought Beretta was cool. Beretta is cool. Beretta is cool. Um. We had a bunch that we thought would work, uh, when they're, when Ford was bringing back like electric car. When they were doing electric stuff like Galaxy.

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:33:45Matt Farah?

  Their spacey names.

• 1:33:46Speaker 01

  That was, you, I remember you said that, and that would have been a great name.

• 1:33:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Galaxy would have been a good one.

• 1:33:51Speaker 01

  For electric cars.

• 1:33:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:53Speaker 01

  I like any of the snake names, because I'm a second grader. Any car that's ever been named after a snake. I'm like, yeah, yeah, sure.

• 1:34:07Speaker 01

  I never said I was the mature one in this building.

• 1:34:09Matt Farah?

  Hilarious.

• 1:34:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I would like to see some, some, some good names.

• 1:34:17Speaker 01

  The Bonneville, but only, it would only work if it was on a car that went 300 miles per hour. It would have to be some speed setting, record setting thing.

• 1:34:24Matt Farah?

  Well, that was the, that's from the, the king of the bits that we would always do back in the day, which were the, in a, the, the least appropriately named vehicle. Like, where would you never see this? And so Bonneville was right up there, along with the Chrysler New Yorker, the Chevy Monte Carlo. That's the Monte Carlo.

• 1:34:43Matt Farah?

  LL Cardier says, uh, my dad's had some cool cars and it's fun thinking about which one I'd like to have in the future to relive the childhood memories. What memory should I relive? A 2010 Viper ACR, 2008 V8 Vantage, an R8 V10 Spider, C6 ZR1, Nissan GT-R, AMG GT-R, or 997 Turbo Cab? Your dad's cool. Your dad's pretty cool, man. I would like to own of those probably the R8 V10 Spider. The Vantage? Uh, or that, the V8 Vantage, if it was a 47, I forget what year they changed over.

• 1:35:26Matt Farah?

  I think if it was a stick 47, then maybe that Vantage. Black Camel, that sounds nice. I'd probably want the R8 Spider, that's a good one. Those are cool. Uli Kunkels Autobahn, have you ever done a driving tour of the Natchez Trace Parkway? It looks beautiful, but stretches of it are limited to 50 or 60 miles an hour. That is not a problem for me. I was gonna say, most roads are limited to some sort of miles per hour. I don't know, let's take a look at it. Where is it? Uh, it's Mississippi to Tennessee. Can we get a map of it? Let's see how this looks. That, that street certainly isn't it.

• 1:36:09Matt Farah?

  Wow. It is it? Well, it doesn't, I mean, I'm saying it's not it in terms of like,

• 1:36:15Matt Farah?

  I mean, here's the thing. Where, like, who's gonna pay good money to go like, stay in like rural ass Mississippi, dude? No offense. Go to Jackson. But like, where, or what fucking, what racetracks are we gonna find, like, like, it look, I, alright, I'm sure sections of this are like a very beautiful road. Like, it, it looks like certain parts have some things resembling curves.

• 1:36:46Matt Farah?

  Looks, then this is a, a road through dense woods, can't, can't see shit.

• 1:36:50Speaker 01

  Talking about quality is good, but it seems like by the shape, it's pretty, it's just this side of, off, off of straight.

• 1:36:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:57Speaker 01

  Like, it's really big sweepers.

• 1:36:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, those, those types of corners are not, like, tight and technical enough.

• 1:37:03Speaker 01

  They're just not fun. It's just, it's gonna feel like you're commuting on a back highway.

• 1:37:07Matt Farah?

  At car speed, like, the little side roads around the, like, look at some of the side roads look way better.

• 1:37:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:16Matt Farah?

  I, I like where your head is at, I appreciate the suggestion, but that doesn't seem like it. And I don't know who the fuck is gonna pay 10 to 15 Gs to vacation in Mississippi. I just, I don't know who that is. Um, and where's the racetrack?

• 1:37:32Speaker 01

  I don't know. Quick correction, uh, the GTO came out in 04, not 06, so, I misspoke.

• 1:37:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but in 06, it became a 6-liter.

• 1:37:40Speaker 01

  Yes, it did get better.

• 1:37:43Matt Farah?

  Uh, that's it?

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:37:44Matt Farah?

  That's it, motherfucker. I'm going to Texas.

• 1:37:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, have fun.

• 1:37:48Matt Farah?

  Going to Texas, and I'm going racing, and I hope it's all good. Um, it should be, it should at least be fun. I mean, I only need to be faster than one person, Johnny. As long as I'm faster, as long as I'm faster than him.

• 1:38:00Speaker 01

  I think that's the person you will be faster than, and the only person, probably.

• 1:38:03Matt Farah?

  If I can get, I mean, if I can get anywhere close to the, to the fast guys, that would be.

• 1:38:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:38:08Matt Farah?

  Cause this car is about, like, if it was a 600 horsepower car, there's no way I'm getting close to the fast guys. This car, it could be the kinda car where I could get pretty close.

• 1:38:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:21Matt Farah?

  Especially, you know, after 20, 30 laps, good session.

• 1:38:23Speaker 01

  Cause you're used to these speeds, whereas, like, once the power gets, gets real up there.

• 1:38:26Matt Farah?

  It gets real crazy.

• 1:38:27Speaker 01

  Tommy's got that experience of closing speeds with crazy K&M stuff.

• 1:38:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:31Speaker 01

  That's a special skill.

• 1:38:32Matt Farah?

  No, thank you, sir. So, I don't know. But it'll, it's, it's, it's fun. This'll be the fastest car I've ever wheel-to-wheel raced, so that'll be, that'll be a lot of fun.

• 1:38:38Speaker 01

  My money's on you.

• 1:38:39Matt Farah?

  Thank you to our patrons, uh, for such good questions on this one. Thank you to everybody else for joining in and tuning in, and we certainly appreciate your support. And I'll see you guys next week when I'm back from Texas. Bye.