#185: Air To Ground Integration - Retired LTG Ken Tovo And Chief Warrant Officer Sean McCormick

Who’s more important? The operators on the ground or the aviators in the sky? It’s hard to seize the objective without boots on the ground; but if you can’t get to the objective in the first place, there’s no mission at all. The reality is that operators need aviators and aviators need operators. Green Berets and the pilots of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment share bonds that transcend their MOS and their mobility platform. Live from the 2nd Annual Stars and Stripes Classic, I sat down with Chairman of the Green Beret Foundation retired Lieutenant General Ken Tovo https://www.linkedin.com/in/ken-tovo-4468107/ and Chief Warrant Officer Sean McCormick https://www.linkedin.com/in/scmccormick/ to talk about what it takes to build true interoperability between air and ground units, and why there is no such term as “more important.” Chief McCormick served as a lead pilot in the 160th SOAR after a career in 75th Ranger Regiment; he also served as General Tovo’s pilot while the General was the USASOC Commander. Their partnership and friendship provides a rare perspective on the leadership, trust, and relentless commitment that define Special Operations. Together, they shared how those experiences shaped their understanding of teamwork, mission focus, and the ability to take on any challenge. They also share an unknown secret about GBF’s upcoming POW/MIA recovery missions with Project Recover https://www.projectrecover.org/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23238724925&gbraid=0AAAAAD8Lr9FWpyGe0YMX-AOey5sUN4FIq&gclid=Cj0KCQiAyP3KBhD9ARIsAAJLnnZ3Oe_htynfZHb3V1gD7i5Y6aiV63HM0I3UEQkrFLI6fAnr8GQuXkEaAjMLEALw_wcB. The Stars and Stripes Classic is more than a lacrosse game. It’s a moment to honor the warriors who always step forward, the families who support them, and the community that preserves their legacy through the Green Beret and Navy SEAL Foundations. Special thanks to the Premier Lacrosse League https://premierlacrosseleague.com/ for hosting another thrilling game. Highlights 0:00 Introduction1:42 Welcome to the Jedburgh Podcast3:25 Service in the 160th SOAR4:57 Defining Interoperability6:15 Planning and Customer Centric in the 160th10:54 Building a SOF team14:08 Defining De Opresso Liber16:00 Honoring MACV-SOG18:30 Partnering with Project Recover Quotes “It was a great honor, great experience, and a lot of good stories about that.”“Sometimes the most difficult and important part of a mission is actually just getting there.”“You are the RCO’s representative when you’re the LNO.”“We’re going to plan and rehearse as much as we possibly can before that mission takes place.”“You can’t be an expert if you do more than one thing.”“They’re problem solvers who figure out “What do I need to do to do what I signed up to accomplish.”“No matter what happens, you’re going to accomplish the mission.”“99% of the time, we’re working through a partner force to accomplish whatever our mission is.” “Even in our own community, a lot of what MACV-SOG did is really not even part of the history because it’s been classified until recently.” “58 Green Berets still are yet to be found in Vietnam from that era.” Follow the Jedburgh Podcast https://www.instagram.com/jedburghpodcast/ and the Green Beret Foundation https://www.instagram.com/greenberetfoundation/ on social media. Listen on your favorite podcast platform https://pod.link/1558608802, read on our website https://greenberetfoundation.org/the-jedburgh-podcast/, and watch the full video version on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@jedburghpodcast as we show why America must continue to lead from the front, no matter the challenge.

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• 0:02Fran Racioppi?

  Who's more important? The operators on the ground or the aviators in the sky? It's hard to seize the objective without boots on the ground. But if you can't get to the objective in the first place, there's no mission at all. The reality is that operators need aviators and aviators need operators. Green Berets and the pilots of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment share bonds that transcend their MOS and their mobility platform. Live from the 2nd Annual Stars in Stripes Classic, I sat down with Chairman of the Green Beret Foundation, Retired Lieutenant General Ken Tovo and Chief Warrant Officer Sean McCormick to talk about what it takes to build true interoperability between air and ground units and why there's no such term as "more important." Chief McCormick served as a lead pilot in the 160th SOAR after a career in the 75th Ranger Regiment.

• 0:47Fran Racioppi?

  He also served as General Tovo's pilot while the general was the Usasoc commander. Their partnership and friendship provides a rare perspective on the leadership, trust, and relentless commitment that defines Special Operations. Together, they shared how those experiences shaped their understanding of teamwork, mission focus, and the ability to take on any challenge. They also shared an unknown secret about GBF's upcoming POW MIA recovery missions with Project Recover. The Stars in Stripes Classic is more than a lacrosse game. It's a moment to honor the warriors who always step forward, the families who support them, and a community that preserves their legacy through the Green Beret and Navy SEAL Foundations. Special thanks to the Premier Lacrosse League for hosting another thrilling game. Follow the Jed Burke Podcast and the Green Beret Foundation on social media, listen

• 1:29Fran Racioppi?

  on your favorite podcast platform, read on our website, and watch the full video version on YouTube as we show you why America must continue to lead from the front, no matter the challenge. General Tovo, Chief McCormick, welcome to the Jed Burke Podcast. Thanks.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:46Fran Racioppi?

  Happy to be back, actually. Yeah, back. You're a real regular on the podcast. I'm a repeat offender. Sean, your first time on the Jed Burke Podcast.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  It is, and it's an honor to be here. Thank you for having me, especially sitting next to General Tovo.

• 1:58Fran Racioppi?

  Well, thanks for being a loyal fan.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:01Fran Racioppi?

  So I know you've been watching a number of episodes for quite a long time, and we've known each other for several years now. You guys have known each other for quite a long time, and that's really... Really going to be the focus of our discussion here and something that's come up in a lot of different conversations. So you had the opportunity to serve as the USASOC commander, where you presided over our ground forces, our Green Berets, our Rangers, but then also the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment. And we have been absolutely fortunate to build a great relationship with the 160th for both the foundation and through the podcast and had the opportunity to go up in an MH47 a couple of months ago, go out to the range, see the Little Birds which you used to fly, conduct some live fire training and really have a

• 2:45Fran Racioppi?

  great conversation with their commander, Steve Smith, and probably a top pilot in all of the US Army, at least when we look at the amount of deployments that he's had. But we sat down with their chief warrant officer there too. And that was just absolutely incredible conversation to talk about what it means to fly in these aircraft that sit behind us and then the air to ground integration. And we as Green Beret Foundation, obviously are very focused on our guys on the ground who sit in the back and hop out of these things, but we don't get there without the aviation component. So I wanted to kind of start there. And, you know, we can almost really also start with your relationship because Sean, you used to fly for the general.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  I did. Yeah, I had the unique opportunity after my time in 160th, flying the MH6 Little Bird at the company level for 10 years. I had the opportunity to then go into the fixed wing community and down there at USASOC Flight Company at Fort Bragg. I was very fortunate to be able to serve the last four years of my career in that unit and be able to fly General Tovo and General Bodett during their commands there. It was a great honor, a great experience. It was a lot of good stories about that.

• 3:59Fran Racioppi?

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• 4:30Speaker 02

  It takes a special pilot to fly that aircraft because it's, correct me if I'm wrong, it's the oldest C-12 in the Army fleet.

• 4:37Fran Racioppi?

  It was at the time. Yeah, they got rid of it after you and I retired, but they have a newer one now.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  Oh, good. Thank you. Thank goodness. I don't know if this is true, but I'm told it was actually a confiscated drug trafficking plane. I think General Brown, heavy within the aviation community at the time, was USAC commander somehow finagled a C-12 for USAC.

• 4:58Fran Racioppi?

  A little bit of nostalgia back in that one.

• 5:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. On one hand, I'm sorry to hear that that plane is no longer a part of the fleet. On the other hand, God bless them for getting a new plane. I'm sure the current USAC commanders and the USAC Flight Detachment are appreciative of having a newer aircraft.

• 5:14Fran Racioppi?

  Well, sir, let's talk about the importance of that integration because as you commanded both of these units, getting them together and understanding interoperability is really critical. So when, how do you define that? And, you know, from a leadership position, when you look at these two very different, very distinct units, but really when they bring the fight to the enemy, they're doing it together. What does that look like?

• 5:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. All of our soft tribes, as we call them, have their own culture and their own capability set. But when the team is really optimized, all those pieces and parts have a role, right? And it's some, whose role is, you know, the linchpin changes to base then on mission profile. You know, sometimes the most difficult and important part of a mission is actually just getting there, right? And so, you know, in that kind of a mission, that's not the 160th. That's, they're the key players. Obviously, we've got our Air Force Special Operations community that supports as well. But when you're talking in the tactical realm, it's usually the 160th that's getting special operators to the X or infilled into a denied area or wherever they have to go. So, and it's really, it's

• 6:17Speaker 02

  all about trust, right? The ground folks trust that the aviators are professional and ready to do the mission. And if they tell you that there's some challenges and you might want to think about this or that, that they trust us to kind of defer to their experience.

• 6:30Fran Racioppi?

  Planning is front and center. They really harp on planning as a Green Beret, but I would say that when you look at the planning that the 160th pilots go through before any mission. I would say it supersedes the level of planning, at least I ever did for any operation. But talk about why that's so important and how being what you call customer centric is really the linchpin to success as a special operator aviation.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Sure, like with the interoperability, getting the ground force to the target, I mean, it starts with our, I think, many cases, like I'll speak personally about that. Doing the forward L and O job, I mean, that's a unique thing that the 160 it does is we put a representative at each of our supported customers at their base. And that's where you work and that's where you live. And I think that's highly important. That's something we've been doing since the later eighties, early nineties. And that customer can come face to face to you and to me rather and say, hey, this is what we're looking to do. And I can start doing the first cut on figuring that piece out.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Obviously, after that, I'll be closely engaged with our S3, taking it right to the S3, taking it right to the battalion commander or sometimes the RCO. You are the RCO's representative when you're the L and O. So I think that's a huge first step is that relationship building, being able to talk face to face with the ground force. And it was probably the most three challenging years I ever did in the army was as that L and O. Cause you're not only making sure that you're able to support the customer as best that you can. But you also have to keep in mind that you're trying to do what's best for your left and right limits in the aviation committee. And you know, we have a lot of rules and regulations as you guys are well aware.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  So we're just trying to keep within those limits and keep within the commander's intent. And so I enjoyed doing it, but it's very challenging, but effective, I think.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  After I left the uniform, one of the things I was doing in the commercial world was a little bit of senior mentor work. And I participated in, in several exercises that were primarily designed on the aviation side to qualify FMC pilots as, you know, the ability to plan and lead an operation. That was a ground element to, you know, some SF supported units. But it was incredible to watch the incredibly high stress training environment they put those guys through to earn the qualification to actually be the lead planner.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, and General Tovo is right. You know, if you give us a week to plan a mission, we're gonna take a week. If you give us 30 minutes, we'll take 30 minutes, you know, but we're gonna plan and rehearse as much as we possibly can before that mission takes place.

• 9:09Fran Racioppi?

  And the level of proficiency and specialization is incredible. I mean, it's really interesting because on our special forces teams, we have our specialization in our various MOSs. But we also spend so much time cross-training. You can, as a pilot, fly various aircraft, but I specifically asked in our conversation, I asked Pete Sullivan, the question of, well, why don't you fly everything? And it really was, they said, you can't be an expert if you do more than one thing.

• 9:38Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, I totally agree with that. You would see in the little bird community from time to time, an MH6 guy going to be an AH6 guy, or vice versa.

• 9:47Fran Racioppi?

  Me, the lift versus the attack version of the same aircraft.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Correct. So, I mean, it certainly is possible, but it's like a full-time job switch. You are switching aircraft. We experimented, like Pete mentioned, and Colonel Smith, you know, we did experiment with some dual cockpit, type of hybrid cockpit, what we used to call in the little bird community. And, you know, it just makes more sense to have as much subject matter expertise at the controls for whatever mission you're doing. And the 160th is perfectly suited to do that. So there really is no reason to do any kind of hybrid anything there.

• 10:21Fran Racioppi?

  All right, well, we're sitting here at the second annual Stars and Stripes Classic. So we got our Green Berets are gonna take on the Navy SEALs here in a couple hours under the lights, just at Subaru Park here, south of Philadelphia. These two teams are coming together. It's brotherly love. We've got the rivalry. We had the coaches on earlier, and we have both coaches from West Point and from the Naval Academy. So they're bringing their rivalry to come to fruition here, although their players are quite a bit older, as we joked about, than what they're used to at the academies. But what we're looking at, more experience. More experience and more seasoned, yeah. Maybe less experience in lacrosse, more experience in other things since their playing days. But both sides of the field tonight are men of character, okay, who have

• 11:07Fran Racioppi?

  Gone through very rigorous assessment and selection processes that whether they earn their Trident or they earned their Green Beret, they have to live to that every day. You ran each of you complex organizations built on people of character. In your definition, your own perspective, what do you look for when you build these teams? And you need people to come in and operate at an elite level.

• 11:34Speaker 02

  Hey, you know, it's interesting. You kind of talk Green Berets, Navy SEALs, 160s. I think they've all got their own culture and each of them is looking for probably something a little bit different in there in the attributes they assess for and they select against. But at the core, the soft is really about an ethos of mission accomplishment. It's about getting the job done. No excuses in the 160th is on time, on target, right? And it's also a commitment that when I put you in, I'm going to get you out. In the ground forces, it's about, hey, we're going to get the job done one way or another. And it doesn't matter if we don't have all the resources we wanted or the weather turned bad or something happened, the enemy situation changed, the ethos is get the job done. And so I think when you're looking for the kind of person that can be a part of any of these cultures,

• 12:18Speaker 02

  you're looking for somebody who isn't looking for excuses, isn't looking to point the finger at anybody else. It's they're problem solvers who figure out what do I need to do to do what I signed up to accomplish? How do I get the job done? Because there's no excuses. Mission's got to be accomplished.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  What comes to mind for me is night stalkers don't quit, you know? And that's something that many times we associate with being on the objective. And certainly that is the case, but also it's like General Tovo said, you know, it's being in those planning cells, grinding it out for weeks or months or sometimes years to execute a mission and just doing it and having that mindset that no problem is too big. And no matter what the challenges are associated with that mission, we will find a way to accomplish it. And I think that the NSDQ definitely, I said that on the objective, hey, we're not, you're one minute inbound. You know, there's no turn back. You're going, you're committed and you know that no matter. What happens, you know, you're going to accomplish the mission.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  Sometimes it looks better than others. Sometimes it can be a little ugly, but you are going to accomplish the mission and you will not leave anybody on the objective at the end of the night.

• 13:28Fran Racioppi?

  We all have the, our sayings. We have our mottos and we think about Night Stalkers, don't quit and the NSDQ. And I think your explanation of that is spot on. And I know, you know, not having served in the special operations aviation regiment. I mean, that's something that when I look at that organization, what comes to my mind is exactly what you said, that no matter what's going to happen is these guys are going to be there. And you think about an organization like the 160th, who's really been perpetually deployed since inception. All of our soft forces have in some capacity, but our special forces groups have by and large rotated and they're bigger. And you have a smaller footprint, a smaller organization who has been deployed.

• 14:11Fran Racioppi?

  Uh, first guys in Afghanistan have had an opportunity over the years to get to meet, uh, Alan Mack, who was one of the lead pilots in Afghanistan in the days after nine 11. And they were the last guys out on Overwatch when General Donahue, you know, entered the C 17 and took off. And so, you know, really an incredible organization that has done a lot for this country, most of which people around here don't know about and probably shouldn't. And I think that will stay that way for a long time. But sir, we have our own saying, uh, in the Green Berets, Deo praecis libere. What does Deo praecis libere mean to you?

• 14:43Speaker 02

  For those who don't speak fluent Latin, it's to free the oppressed, right? And it really speaks to the central purpose and operating methodology of Green Berets, which is we are focused on an indigenous thought. It's about helping a partner force accomplish what their goals and objectives are that are aligned with the US objectives.

• 15:02Fran Racioppi?

  Right.

• 15:02Speaker 02

  And it's kind of hard to work with a partner force if they want, they want to go left and you want to go right. But generally we pick our partner forces in places where we are trying to help them achieve a set of objectives and goals that are similar or at least close, almost aligned with US objectives. Right? You know, you look at the early days of Afghanistan, right? That you just mentioned. Uh, we had fifth group on the ground working with the Northern Alliance and they both wanted the same thing. It was overthrow the Taliban. And in the end, most of the heavy lifting is done by the partner force. And really, the Green Berets are there to support the indigenous force. They're trying to accomplish objectives through the partner. And I think the motto just captures the spirit of the fact that when Green Berets are operating, I mean,

• 15:43Speaker 02

  sometimes we'll do things unilaterally, but by and large, 99% of the time, we're working through a partner force to accomplish whatever our mission is. And I think oppresso libert kind of highlights that. Obviously, it comes from the roots of our unconventional warfare focus, which was to go into, back then, Eastern Europe and help those countries overthrow Soviet oppression.

• 16:04Fran Racioppi?

  Well, we're having the opportunity in this year's game to honor our predecessors of MACV-SOG, the Vietnam mission, Green Berets Vietnam mission in 50 years ago now. And in a couple of minutes, we're going to have a couple of former operators who served in MACV-SOG are going to come down over here and sit down with me and they're going to share what it was like to live that mission. But unsung heroes of a generation that came after our founders of the regiment, who served on those Jedburgh teams that we've talked at length about over the last couple of years. But a group who suffered a lot of loss and carried a tremendous amount of the burden of the Vietnam conflict, most of which the public doesn't know about.

• 16:45Speaker 02

  I would argue, even in our own community, a lot of what MACV-SOG did is really not even part of the history, because it's been classified until just fairly recently. You know, obviously, any Green Beret worth his salt understands a lot of what Green Berets were doing in Vietnam, right? Working with the Montagnards, the indigenous programs that we had. And everybody kind of understands there was this thing called MACV-SOG, a joint force that was doing kind of the highly classified and really high-risk, high danger missions. But a lot of it's just bits of legend and lore. There, since declassification, they're starting to get some books out and some more information. But from a Green Beret Foundation perspective, we're really honored to be able to honor and acknowledge the legacy

• 17:28Speaker 02

  of MACV-SOG at this game, because people should know about it. I mean, as you mentioned, I mean, the teams, small teams going into denied territory.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  Generally suffered over the course of the years, really a hundred percent casualties. Almost everybody was at least wounded once or twice and the KIA rate was significant, like fifty percent, I think, if I recall correctly. It was a tough place to be and everybody knew it, but they fought to be at the, you know, the really sharp pointy end of the spear, doing the hardest missions in support of the nation.

• 18:00Fran Racioppi?

  Yeah, and the foundations made that commitment. They made the commitment to Green Berets of all generations to support them through all the various programs that exist. And I think, you know, at this point in time where we have a generation in the Vietnam era who is aging and has requirements, I think now is that time where for us to go full effort.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  Absolutely, yeah. I mean, I think one of the unique things about the Greenberry Foundation as a nonprofit is that we do support the active force and the veteran force and we're not picking any one generation to support. We do go back to if a nineteen fifty's Green Beret came to us for support that kind of fit our mission profile, we'd support him and his family. Now, we get, don't get a lot of those calls. Most of those guys are, have passed away at this point, but we do a fair amount of support for Vietnam era and obviously a lot of the veterans since then. But, and of course, we focus on the active force as well and their families.

• 18:57Fran Racioppi?

  Well, we got a lot of work to do. So we just had Charlie on here, president and CEO of the foundation, and we had Project Recover on as well, where we were able to really discuss and have that announcement that the Green Beret Foundation and Project Recover are going to work together to bring home those who have been lost and never returned in Vietnam. And we have, I believe the number is fifty-eight.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  Fifty-eight, yeah. I was talking to him as we were doing the transition and he was telling me fifty-eight Green Berets still yet to be found in Vietnam from that era and probably a significant number, or MACV SOG, just based on mission profile, I'd imagine. And so we're excited by that partnership and to be able to contribute. I mean, to me, it's all part of the Green Beret Foundation's approach to continue to help the legacy of the regiment.

• 19:45Fran Racioppi?

  And we'll take a pilot with us, too.

• 19:48Speaker 01

  It's kind of funny that I walked up and saw Derek Abbey. It was, I had no idea you're interviewing him today. He and I have a meeting set up for this Wednesday and he was going to tell me, you know, you're the newest team member for Project Recover, which I'm extremely, extremely proud.

• 20:03Fran Racioppi?

  I mean, so get you a C12, you guys will be all right.

• 20:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I can't wait to start working with Project Recover and um, doing some hard work, going out there and literally digging and looking. Yeah. I hope to, just that perseverance that Derek was talking about, just in a relationship building, you know? I mean, they're doing a big trip now with Vietnam, you know, to start that relationship with them. It's huge, you know? So maybe we'll bring some more soft back from Vietnam.

• 20:29Speaker 02

  Serendipity of life is interesting, right?

• 20:31Speaker 01

  That's the way it works. It's a small community.

• 20:33Speaker 02

  So, you know, obviously Sean, uh, Sean and I knew each other from when I was at East Saco and he was my pilot. And uh, we really reconnected after I retired. I'm out doing yard work and he's driving by with his wife in the neighborhood. He stops, hey, sir. And you just bought a house or are you still looking?

• 20:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, bought the house in the same neighborhood. Yep.

• 20:50Speaker 02

  So he bought a house in the same neighborhood. So, you know, we got together, we're playing, you know, we're golf buddies now. Otherwise get together. But, you know, it was just because I was out in my yard doing, otherwise I'd have never known that he was there, vice versa.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  So. Uh, General Tovo has been known to employ some psychological operations during a golf, around a golf. So he definitely has the advantage there. I'm starting to catch on on some of those tricks I'm aware of. So, but he's always looking for edge to win like he should be.

• 21:16Speaker 02

  Sean is particularly vulnerable to the psychological tricks of the game, right?

• 21:21Speaker 01

  I'm easy, you know?

• 21:22Fran Racioppi?

  Well, I appreciate you taking the time to sit down with me. We're going to kick this game off here in a couple of hours. I'm really looking forward to it. We're going to get some retribution for last year on those seals.

• 21:31Speaker 02

  That is in the plan. You know, I talked to the players last night at our dinner and uh, every one of them that had played last year, it's about 50 50 new players, uh, were really excited because they felt like we're, we're prepared. We've got some new blood. We've got a little bit more offense this year. We'll, we'll see how it all goes. We are cautiously optimistic. We didn't really lose last year. It's an old saw, but I think if we had had two more minutes on the clock, we were coming on strong there. We'd have closed the gap, but this year we're going to start strong.

• 21:57Fran Racioppi?

  Well, you gave your guidance last night, and that was let's not let it get down to the last two minutes. Let's put it away early. So that's, I think they're taking it to heart.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  Don't waste the first 98% of the game. Yeah, no, they did a great job last year, and I was really proud of them last year about the grit. We were down, I think, five or six at halftime, and they didn't let it get them down. They came out strong in the second half. And as I said, we just ran out of time. We'll get them this year.

• 22:18Fran Racioppi?

  We'll be on the sidelines.

• 22:20Speaker 02

  Yep. You will be yelling.

• 22:21Fran Racioppi?

  All right. Thanks.

• 22:22Speaker 02

  Thank you. Thanks, Fran.

• 22:25Speaker 03

  American Jedbergs went on to form the foundation of the United States Special Forces and the Special Activities Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. Thanks for listening to the Jedburgh Podcast, an official program of the Green Beret Foundation. I'm your creator and host, Fran Rychowi. Join us next week for a new episode on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Check us out on YouTube for full episodes, highlights, and other long and short form content. If you like what you heard, give us a like and leave a review. Follow the Jedburgh Podcast and the Green Beret Foundation on LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook, X or Threads. Send your comments and inquiries to Fran at JedbergPodcast.com. As former members of Special Operations Forces, the Jedburgh Media Channel, and the Green Beret Foundation remain committed to supporting all generations

• 23:06Speaker 03

  of US Army Special Forces and their families. Thanks for joining us on this episode. How you prepare today determines success tomorrow.