149. Kim Rogers: Parasites, Hidden Infections, and the Cleanse Protocol for Gut Health, Energy, and Recovery

Chronic symptoms often get labeled, managed, and medicated, yet the root cause can remain hidden. Parasites, mold exposure, Lyme disease, and microbial imbalances may quietly disrupt energy, digestion, immunity, and cognitive clarity for years without being recognized. In this episode of Extend, we sit down with Kim Rogers, founder of RogersHood Apothecary and creator of the ParaFy Kit, to unpack the hidden role parasites may play in chronic illness and why this topic remains largely absent from conventional medicine. We break down how parasite exposure can occur through water, food, pets, and environmental toxins, why standard testing frequently misses infections, and how symptoms like bloating, brain fog, fatigue, teeth grinding, and insomnia may point toward deeper biological disruption. We also explore how a structured cleanse protocol using targeted herbs, binders, and supportive detox strategies may help the body remove parasites, heavy metals, and microbial overgrowth while restoring gut balance and energy. Kim Rogers is a former Western healthcare educator and curriculum author who spent more than two decades working inside the medical system before her own health crisis led her to uncover parasites as a major driver of chronic illness, eventually building a global community and wellness company dedicated to helping people reclaim control of their health. What We Discuss: (01:31) Why parasites are a major blind spot in Western medicine (02:32) Kim's health story and what led her to parasites (04:14) The root cause stack: parasites, mold, and chronic Lyme, plus a hysterectomy at 29 (05:30) The 2021 TikTok moment and what she saw after her first cleanse (09:13) How exposure happens: water, raw fish, raw meat, produce, and pets (10:31) Why symptoms can flare: biofilms, stress load, and immune strain (12:38) Countries that normalize parasite prevention and access to antiparasitics (13:50) Testing reality: LabCorp vs parasites.org and why false negatives happen (18:02) Symptom patterns: bloat, IBS, teeth grinding, insomnia, cravings, brain fog, fatigue (20:42) How she built the ParaFy Kit and why transparency and cost drove the business (24:19) Protocol structure: 30 days, 3 to 4 times per year, dosing flexibility, kids 3 and up (25:49) Binder rules: timing, what it does, and why it can interfere with meds (29:31) Prescription options and the insurance cost gap versus Mexico pricing (38:29) Why she wants better, affordable testing and medical reform (41:45) Sushi, freezing myths, and why fish exposure is more common than people think (44:36) Where to buy and where to follow Kim Thank You to Our Sponsors: IM8: Try IM8 today with a 30-day money back guarantee. You can get 10% off your first order with code DRSHAH at https://im8health.com/discount/DRSHAH. Nexthealth: Nexthealth: Your destination for cutting-edge health optimization—from IV therapy to hormone balancing. Explore at https://www.next-health.com/ Learn more about Dr. Shah: Website: https://www.drshah.com/ Clinic: https://www.next-health.com/ Instagram:darshanshahmd https://www.instagram.com/darshanshahmd/ Learn more about Kim Rogers: Instagram: @mrsrogers.hood https://www.instagram.com/mrsrogers.hood/ / @rogershoodapothecary https://www.instagram.com/rogershoodapothecary/ TikTok: @mrsrogershood https://www.tiktok.com/@mrsrogershood / @rogershood https://www.tiktok.com/@rogershood Podcast: What's Eating U https://rogershood.com/podcast/?srsltid=AfmBOorUz77LTJ_hSOLCcQk4skxu6UtRAJRalQlAMcgWo8_A155TQL2I

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• 0:03Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Welcome to Extend with me, Dr. Darshan Shah, a podcast dedicated to cutting-edge science, research, tools, and protocols designed to help you extend your health span. Having become one of the youngest doctors in the country at the age of 21, and trained and board-certified at the Mayo Clinic, I've accumulated three decades of practice as a board-certified surgeon and longevity expert. Over that time, I've discovered that a mere 20% of health knowledge yields 80% of the results when it comes to your health span. We're living in a new era where we are creating a new healthcare system, no longer focused on disease management, but achieving optimal health and vitality. Join me as I interview world-renowned experts, offering you a step-by-step guide to proactively avoid disease, and most importantly, extend your health span.

• 0:49Dr. Darshan Shah?

  There are over 10,000 species of parasites on this planet, and some of the most common ones can live inside the human body for years without ever showing up on standard labs. They don't trigger red flags on routine blood work. They just quietly drain you of nutrients, disrupt your hormones, and leave you wondering why you're feeling exhausted, bloated, or have brain fog. You might be stuck in chronic symptoms that no one can explain, and the cause might be worms. In this episode on Extend, I'm joined by Kim Rogers, widely known as "The Worm Queen." After spending more than 20 years inside the healthcare system, authoring national certification exams and advising medical boards, Kim's own health crisis, including endometriosis,

• 1:33Dr. Darshan Shah?

  mold toxicity, Lyme disease, and chronic fatigue, forced her to question what conventional medicine was missing. Her personal parasite cleansing journey went viral, reaching millions and sparking a conversation many practitioners avoid. We break down what parasites are, how they hide, why testing is often unreliable, and what a safe, phased, beginner-friendly approach to gut restoration really looks like, so you can make informed decisions about your health.

• 2:05Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Kim, you're the worm queen and it's so good to have you here.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me.

• 2:09Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes, I'm really excited to talk to you. You know, the more I dive into gut health and functional medicine, the more I see that there's a huge gap of knowledge out there for all the different potential possibilities that people could be suffering and they have never even heard of. And so, you know, worms, parasites, that definitely falls in that category.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  It does. It's not talked about. And there wasn't an easy solution before I went viral in 2021. It was like a piecemeal situation and no one really wanted to talk about it. And coming from Western medicine, it wasn't something that I had ever talked about either or wrote in my curriculum that I used to write. So it really is kind of a missed subject that I'm seeing really needs to continue to be pushed to the forefront. It's a simple thing.

• 2:58Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right, right. And I really appreciate you doing that. But I'm curious, like, how did you come upon parasites? Did you have a story that you kind of struggled with them? Or someone else close to you?

• 3:10Speaker 01

  So in 2019, I was really super ill. And so my husband quit his job and I quit my job. And we had a piece of recreational property out in Hootsport, Washington. And we decided we were going to build a log home and try and figure out what was wrong with me. I had had 13 surgeries and a hysterectomy. And I was basically told, this is your life. And I thought, that's just not good enough for me. I want to know what's really wrong with me. And so we set out to figure that out for me. And in the process of it, we grew mushrooms and we figured out more functional ways of assisting my body, helping me get into remission for endometriosis, which I had stage four.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  And it just became a mission for me and Jeremy to figure out exactly what was wrong with my body.

• 4:00Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So you had all the symptoms and signs of endometriosis? Was that the main, and did you have other diagnoses as well?

• 4:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, fibromyalgia and autoimmune encephalitis is what I now know I have from child. Childhood and so all of the things that I've discovered about myself have been stemming from that endometriosis label.

• 4:21Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Trying to figure out what's going on. And I think endometriosis is one of those diagnoses in medicine where if you can't figure out what's happening, then you know, you see signs of endometriosis, you tell people they have endometriosis and then you're just stuck with it forever. But we know there's root causes for why people get that, right?

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Yes, my root cause was parasites mold and chronic end stages of Lyme.

• 4:41Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Wow.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  And I probably didn't really need to have a hysterectomy at 29 years old.

• 4:45Dr. Darshan Shah?

  29?

• 4:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was 29, no kids.

• 4:48Dr. Darshan Shah?

  What was your job back then?

• 4:49Speaker 01

  I've worked in Western medicine since 2004. I hold two healthcare degrees and I ran 25 healthcare colleges. I also authored multiple books with Cengage, Pearson and McGraw Hill.

• 5:01Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Okay.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  For the curriculum that I wrote for the colleges as well as just, just because I really love learning and education. And so I did that for around 15 years before I started to get really ill and my health started to decline. And then I became a recruiter because I could work from home. And then it just declined to a point where I couldn't work at all.

• 5:23Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And how did you figure out you had mold, Lyme and parasites?

• 5:26Speaker 01

  So in 2019, when we went out to our recreational property to build our log home and to figure out what was going on with my body, we did mushrooms, like functional lion's mane, turkey tail, which now I know turkey tail and lion's mane were very instrumental in helping my endometriosis go into remission. But while we're doing all of that, I started to feel a little bit better, but just not at a point where I'm like, this is it. Like this is my life is so much better. So I was on TikTok in 2021. I had a very small account around 10,000 followers. I was showing people how to grow mushies and also how to build our log home. So I was showing them my life and I decided to do a parasite cleanse. I came

• 6:08Speaker 01

  across a gal's TikTok that said, I almost unalived myself over worms. And it just kind of stopped me in my tracks. And I thought, you know? I've done a lot of things in my life, but I've never dewormed myself.

• 6:22Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  And it starts to make sense when I find out I have Cryptosporidium parvum, which is parvo, which kills puppies and it's shutting my organs down. So it all started to kind of make sense for me to try this very inexpensive, just a parasite tincture from Amazon. And within three days, I saw flukes, roundworm and pinworms in the toilet. And this pain that I had had on my right side, I've never had it again.

• 6:48Dr. Darshan Shah?

  That's crazy.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  It was crazy. So I did a video.

• 6:51Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  And 60 seconds later changed my whole life. And I've done this every day. I've talked about it every day. I've podcasted. I started a business over it. So it was really life changing.

• 7:03Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Where did you live prior to moving and building the log cabin home?

• 7:06Speaker 01

  Uh, we lived in the outskirts of Seattle.

• 7:09Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Got it.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then Nevada before that.

• 7:11Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Got it. And do you think like the environment, like I'm, I'm just curious, like where did you get the lime, the mold and the worms from, like the parasite from? Was it like the, was your home very moist? Was, where did you think it came from?

• 7:26Speaker 01

  Well, the lime, I know I got bit in my teens.

• 7:29Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Oh, you did. Okay.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  And I have my medical records from when I was born. So my dad was military, so I've been able to kind of go back and look to see and do the checklist. Right?

• 7:38Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes.

• 7:38Speaker 01

  And so I know I got bit and my behavior in my life kind of changed around 12, 13 years old. So that's how I know I've had lime for an extended period of time. My mom also has mold in her body. And so we found that out since all of this. I really have done a huge deep dive into my health and then my lineage's health. So that I have a better idea of like how to help my family with all of the things I've under, you know, uncovered. But it really started back in my teens. And then I was chronically ill since then. So I've been chronically ill. Yeah. Since around 13.

• 8:14Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Wow.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:15Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And you, you finally feel great again?

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Oh, I do. I finally know how to pivot and have an understanding of my health. And then I learn about it and then I share it with my community.

• 8:26Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  That's kind of what my. Goal was when I went on TikTok was, hey, I really want to have a community. I'm chronically ill. It's very lonely and isolating and I really want to know what else is out there. So when I went viral, I mean, I'm talking like, not a little viral. That video got a million views the first two hours that I posted it. Total now it's around 11 million views, but at one point TikTok, I was getting 40 to 50 million views a month. And so that's where I'm like, oh my gosh, this is something like, there's something here that needs to be talked about. And in 2021, we were in the, the changeover, right? From 2020. And so we were really looking at more natural ways.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  And so people are very interested in using herbs more now than they've ever been before. And I have a background of Western medicine. So I was, I'm not just some random chick on the internet that's like, you have worms. It's like, no, like there's science behind some of these things and there's science behind what I'm saying. And I'm proof because I've been documenting myself every day for, for four years.

• 9:31Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Where do people get worms from?

• 9:34Speaker 01

  Well, I got them specifically with the, what we're talking about from the water.

• 9:39Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Okay.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  So we tested our water and our water went to Mexico to get tested and it came back positive for nematodes. So roundworm is what's in the water up there from the well, but it's a community well.

• 9:50Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Okay.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  So it's not just our well, but a lot of people will get them from water, from salmon is a big one. And mainly because you can see them in the salmon because the salmon's pink and the worms are white. But most fish have worms. So eating raw, anything raw can have parasites in them. Raw meat, produce that hasn't been cleaned and properly, you know, done up. So that you're not eating what someone else handled. Specifically organic, just because it's not sprayed to keep these things off. So you really got to soak your produce to make sure that nothing's hiding in it or on it. And a lot of these are microscopic. So Giardia is microscopic, Defragiles is microscopic, which is what Jeremy had.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  And then I had crypto and that's microscopic. So you can't really see them. You have to clean them off your produce and food.

• 10:42Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Got it. So, you know, obviously you mentioned like produce and meats and salmon, water, like a lot of people could potentially be exposed to this. They have no idea.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:52Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Why is like everyone not suffering from worms? Like, why is it that certain people have worms that actually take hold in the body and stay there?

• 11:00Speaker 01

  And some people will never know because they haven't disrupted them.

• 11:04Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  That's really what it is. You've disrupted their home. They live in a biofilm. So maybe you ate something that disrupted them. Maybe you have something very stressful in your life happening, which is what happened to me in 2016. It was a very stressful year. I was living in mold unaware. I was being pelted with worm water unaware and I have chronic end stages of Lyme unaware.

• 11:27Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  And so you start to compile all of those environmental toxins that are attacking my body and I just really, and the stress. So my frequency is already low. They love low frequencies. So you're just continuing to compile it and my body was like, I've just had enough.

• 11:43Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah. Yeah. So it sounds like, you know, very typically for people with Lyme, they're more susceptible to like everything because their immune system is so busy fighting Lyme disease constantly. And so they become more susceptible to mold. And so that's why we see a lot of Lyme and mold together and also potentially parasites.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  Yes. And we had pets that had worms. Pets are a huge way to catch a parasite, specifically roundworm and the microscopic like crypto. And so when you have an animal, you're deworming them, but you're not deworming yourself, which is kind of a crazy concept, I think, for most people that are first diving down the wormhole.

• 12:21Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  Is that, what do you mean? I could get worms from my dog. Well, they're licking you. You're cleaning up after them and you can do your best to wipe your hand, you know, wash your hands, but what if you step in it and you track it in, you're in your socks? I mean, there's so many ways to catch a parasite. So that's really where my forefront is, is just be proactive. Like do the things that you need to do, like parify parasite cleanse three to four times a year. Other countries do this. Other countries are aware. Parasites are real. We just aren't because we're in Western medicine country.

• 12:56Dr. Darshan Shah?

  What countries are aware of parasites and do frequent cleanses?

• 12:59Speaker 01

  Mexico, they do them often. You can go to the pharmacy and get like venbendazole and menbendazole and Iver for like seven bucks.

• 13:07Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 13:08Speaker 01

  They do it twice a year minimum usually and some things are required for you to take an anti-parasitic. Jamaica, they do a monthly tea called the Bush and they're very adamant about continuing that trend down to all of their people. And so usually Korea, because they eat a lot of meat or a lot of salmon and raw fish. So Guatemala, Latin American countries. I mean, Jeremy and I go on cruises and when we hop off at the port, we'll go to the pharmacy and anti-parasitics are everywhere. Like it's not really a hidden thing in other countries. The top three countries that don't parasite cleanse are us.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  The United States, Canada and Australia, because we sell a parasite cleanse. Those are our top three countries that buy from us.

• 13:56Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Really? That's so interesting. And do you think like, is there a way to test for parasites if someone is curious if they have parasites or not?

• 14:04Speaker 01

  Usually you can test through LabCorp. However, when I first started this journey four years ago, I sent the same stool from LabCorp as I did to parasites.org, which is where I get tested and they sent it to Mexico and LabCorp came back negative and parasites.org came back saying I had crypto, Jeremy had defragilese and we had roundworm. So it's very difficult to test and it's something that I'm working towards doing some form of like medical reform to allow better testing in our country for mold parasites and Lyme. But it's hard because they're in a biofilm, they're frequency in our body. So they fully understand

• 14:43Speaker 01

  that you know about them, right? Your frequency changes, their frequency changes. And so it's very difficult to detect them. So we just kind of randomly think, oh, well, if it comes back negative, then there's nothing that it could be. And so we treat other things instead of just being like, let's be proactive. Like you've got an animal, you're walking barefoot outside, you're eating questionably. Why not just do something that's not going to hurt you?

• 15:10Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  Right?

• 15:11Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right. Yeah. And that's the thing. The treatment is so low impact as far as like hurting you. It could be potentially just like if you have a false negative. Or even, you know, a positive, you should just get treated. So if you didn't do the same thing anyway, why even test is like also like the question, right?

• 15:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 15:32Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah. When you say tested in Mexico, is there like a lab down there that tests you? Parasites.org, you said?

• 15:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just put it in my, I just, just like the same thing with lab car. And then you just ship it and then they test it because it's what they do. Right. It's their parasitologists, they're looking at it all day. Because I worked in the academia world, I am very aware of how lab technicians treat and look at the stool when you have a parasite come across. They don't really have a lot of time to look at the stool and they're not fully aware of what they're looking at. And it's sat out, they only got a snapshot of a day in your gut, which they live in our blood, our tissue and our muscles. So they're not just in our gut. So it could come back negative that in fact, you don't have anything in your gut, but you still feel like trash and you feel like trash because it's not just in your gut.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  So if we did live blood analysis and we would see it, you would see it instantly. Every live blood analysis test that's come across my, my email or in our DMs has had a parasite in it.

• 16:35Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So when you say live blood analysis, that's where they take your blood and they look at it under a microscope and they see the parasites in there?

• 16:41Speaker 01

  Yes, immediately.

• 16:43Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So is that frequent and prevalent that people have this?

• 16:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:46Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Wow.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  They can even do a sample in your mouth and determine if you have parasites in your gums.

• 16:53Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Wow. And so, you know, to your point then, like if you, whether or not you have parasites, it might be a good idea to just even think about doing a cleanse every once in a while.

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• 18:04Dr. Darshan Shah?

  I just want to go back to the symptoms because I want to make sure if people are listening to this, that they can maybe identify with some symptoms that they're feeling. So what are some of the gut symptoms that someone could have with with parasites?

• 18:15Speaker 01

  IBS.

• 18:16Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yep.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  IBD, usually if you're drinking water or you're just eating a salad and you get bloated right out of the gate. And in my world, we call that endo belly.

• 18:26Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Okay.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  Right? Because you were just, you would eat something and you would just immediately look pregnant. Well, now I know that's because I had crypto and parasites and not just necessarily endo belly. So you get really bloated. You really don't get hungry, which that can pair with mold as well, because they can hold up to six to eight times their weight in spores, heavy metals, other parasites. And so if you've disrupted them and they start to drop these environmental toxins into your body, you can also have a multitude of those problems. I would say not just win the gut, but like grinding your teeth, because they hijack our nervous system and they can steal magnesium and calcium from our bodies. And that's what you need to stop grinding.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  And so you're malnourished from that because they're absorbing all of it. Right? Usually being insomniac because they're nocturnal creatures. So they're up around 7:00 PM when you're like, okay, I'm ready to go to bed. They're not, they're ready to party and they are telling you, you gotta eat sugar. You gotta eat salt. I'm hungry. This is my breakfast. Because they're in your thoughts and in your frequency. So you're really just trying to like diffuse them.

• 19:37Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Got it.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  That's really what it's about.

• 19:39Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Okay.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:40Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And also, I think people, just like you're saying earlier, brain fog.

• 19:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:46Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Lots of fatigue throughout the day.

• 19:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:49Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Irritability, I think, as well, is another symptom that potentially.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  Yes, that's another symptom. Really, it sounds like, oh, my gosh, everyone has this. But it's such an easy scenario of how to fix it, too. Like, really, the brain fog for me was one of the worst because I do, I am a very high performer. I'm very smart. I was a valedictorian in both of my degrees. I really love using my mind. And so I personally know when it's time for me to cleanse because I start to feel that brain fog again. I start to feel like I can't eat without feeling like a stomach ache. And, and then, once you start getting into this, you really don't want to stop, you know?

• 20:33Speaker 01

  You feel so good. We, I've been sick for so long that when I start to feel good again, I'm like, oh, my gosh, I need to keep doing this.

• 20:40Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  And so I started going, okay, well, Oregon grapefruit helps with small intestinal parasites because of just the frequency of that particular herb. And then if you pair it with Usnea, which is something that not a lot of people know about, it helps push out its mother nature's doxycycline. And so it's a really great herb for people that are pushing Lyme out of the actual parasite itself because it'll help diffuse it and your body won't reabsorb it. Okay, so then I'm like, what else do I need? Oh, a binder. What's a binder? Right? I come from Western medicine. I worked in the emergency room. You can give a binder for people that. Yeah, that's it. I'm like, okay, so now I gotta do a microdose of a binder and the heavy metals weight them down.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  So now I need to go find something that helps remove heavy metals. I'm like, talking about this eight, nine hours a day with people. And it just became to a point where it was a lot.

• 21:37Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 21:37Speaker 01

  And it was expensive. And then I started digging into transparency with these companies. I want to know why you're using caramel coloring. I want to know how you're soaking your herbs. I want to know what your lab looks like, and they would not give me the answer.

• 21:53Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, because I think, you know, you, to your point, people are trying to put this together themselves.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 21:58Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And when they do that, it's so much work to figure out where to get the right ingredients and the quality. And that's true with the entire supplement industry.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 22:07Dr. Darshan Shah?

  It's just a lot of work and especially for something like this where there's not a lot actually in the mainstream medical talk about parasites and worms. And so people don't know really where to go to get information.

• 22:18Speaker 01

  And it's just kind of a miss, in my opinion, on a lot of things. And it's so simple.

• 22:23Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  I made it so simple because I needed my husband to do it.

• 22:26Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  So it's three tea shirts and a binder. You take it three times a day, 15 drops. You can put it in water, juice, tea, and you just like a supplement.

• 22:34Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Mm hmm.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  I just wanted it simple.

• 22:36Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And how long is the protocol for?

• 22:38Speaker 01

  30 days to start and we recommend three to four times a year.

• 22:42Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Uh huh.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  And we're for kids, we're ages three and up. We're one of the few companies I know that make parasite cleanses that are for children.

• 22:50Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Okay. So you just take, you said five drops of each?

• 22:52Speaker 01

  15 drops of each.

• 22:53Dr. Darshan Shah?

  15 drops of each.

• 22:54Speaker 01

  Three times a day. Mm hmm. Breakfast, lunch and dinner. And then you bind at night and our binder is called Cinnabon because it has Ceylon cinnamon and coconut activated charcoal and it's your binder.

• 23:05Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Got it.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  Binders are negatively charged and so it's like a magnet. It doesn't really know the difference between what to bind. So it just binds everything.

• 23:13Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right. And so how does someone feel when they're taking this stuff? Do they feel anything different? Do their stools change or do you start feeling better?

• 23:21Speaker 01

  All of it.

• 23:22Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think a lot of people that have never done this before, specifically when I did it, I felt terrible at the beginning. And I did it two weeks prior to Jeremy. And so he's looking at me and he's like, I don't want to do that. Like, she's looking and feeling rough. And I'm like, yeah, because it's like killing things in your body. And I wasn't doing it right. Probably the first three months of my cleansing was really tough. We had them coming out of our skin. I went viral because they came out of my skin and my urine.

• 23:52Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Hmm.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  And so I talked about that.

• 23:54Dr. Darshan Shah?

  How does it look like when it comes out of your skin?

• 23:56Speaker 01

  Uh, they look like little zits.

• 23:58Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Oh, really?

• 23:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. I had a really bad infestation of threadworms.

• 24:02Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Oh, wow.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  And they Just come right on out. They they're trying to escape and you're not really capturing and binding them to push them out correctly. And your body doesn't really know what to do. It's trying to protect you. And so they're gonna come out however they want to come out. And that's why it's so important to do it right. And I think that that's one big reason why the wellness community is like, you have to do it right, or it could hurt you. It's not necessarily gonna hurt you like you're gonna have long-term effects, but it's gonna not feel good. You're gonna get headaches. You're gonna get constipated. Some people have like massive diarrhea. That's what the binder is so good for is when you do swing over to that side where your body is just pushing it out as fast as it can. The binder will help solidify that. I've had so many people do the kit.

• 24:46Speaker 01

  And they've come back and said that their IBS and IBD are gone, that they just feel like regular every day. And it really does help calm your body down after you get out of the thick of the 30 days. And it's not always the full 30 days. It's usually the first week. Within three days, I know, oh, man, I better do this a little bit longer because I feel I feel crappy.

• 25:11Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah. So the worms, they eliminate through your skin, through your stool, and even in your urine. Like pretty much everywhere you detoxify from this where they're gonna be coming out.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  Yes, any exit point that you have, they can. And I had shishtomyacin, which is inside of your bladder and in your reproductive. And the research that I've done is actually a huge indication of an unneeded hysterectomy when you have that parasite. And it's from freshwater.

• 25:39Dr. Darshan Shah?

  That's crazy. This is such an under-talked-about problem. And yeah, I applaud you for bringing this to people's

• 25:47Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 25:48Dr. Darshan Shah?

  People's light. Now, what are some of the medications that are prescribed for this? Like I know, you know, when in my traditional Western medical training, when someone has worms and you find it in a stool sample, you give them like mebendazole or something like that, right? So talk about the prescription medications.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  Well, I'm a I'm a big believer in it. I do think that when you have a infection to this extent, that you should rotate. This isn't medical advice. But this is what I did for myself and my husband to make sure that we could come out of the, we did this for a year straight. So I believe that you need to do some synthetics. That's what we call them in our community is synthetic. So ivermectin, fenbendazole, menbendazole, Alina, which I think is the, the brand name. And so I believe you need to do that. However, some of those frequencies within those medications only treat a few of the issues while looking at other issues that could be uncovered because they all live together in a biofilm.

• 26:49Speaker 01

  And western medicine is not prescribing binders nor a biofilm breaker, which we actually use longwort lichen, which is an herb that is in metal flush to break the biofilm. You have to expose them. So using the synthetics, that's great. It's only going to go in, in my opinion, and get low hanging fruit.

• 27:07Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  So you really got to get in there. And once you start this, you got to keep going. So I do 30 days and then I'll do the five days of however my doctor prescribes the synthetics to me. And then I come right behind again and I do more herbs because the herbs are going to get down in a different way than those synthetic stick. And I mean, I've proven that what I've done has worked because it's, I'm so much healthier.

• 27:31Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 27:31Speaker 01

  So I do believe we need them.

• 27:33Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And you know, for the average person, if they go to their doctor and say, you know, I think I might have worms and I need some prescription for ivermectin. I would say, you know, more than 50% of doctors will probably be like, what are you talking about?

• 27:48Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 27:49Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So how does the average person get a prescription for these?

• 27:53Speaker 01

  Well, we go on cruises. We've gone to Mexico. We've gone, we've gone other places. I would say that it's really not even about the doctor. It's the insurance.

• 28:03Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  So we, we had proven labs that showed we had parasites and the insurance would not cover germs. And it was like 999 dollars for six pills. And then I went through another 21 day regimen last year because I had something come out and it was wild. And like, my doctor's like, oh gosh, Kim. And so it was $24,000.

• 28:27Dr. Darshan Shah?

  What?

• 28:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:28Dr. Darshan Shah?

  $24,000 for ivermectin?

• 28:31Speaker 01

  For 21 pills.

• 28:34Dr. Darshan Shah?

  That's crazy.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  It was pre-sequel. So it really is kind of a crazy thought that my doctor said, this is what I think is wrong with Kim. And then insurance said, yeah, you're not right. We're not going to cover that. So then it took me three months to get my insurance to cover it because I didn't have a positive stool. And so they're all intertwined. And I know that because I used to work with insurance and I wrote medical insurance and billing coding books. And so I fully understand how they're all in the same world. And I want to give people a different opportunity to see if this could be what is going on with them.

• 29:12Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right, right. Yeah, I mean, you know, insurance is going to deny so many medications that are expensive. And so even if you prove it to them, it's just so frustrating.

• 29:25Dr. Darshan Shah?

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• 30:10Dr. Darshan Shah?

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• 30:53Dr. Darshan Shah?

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• 31:17Dr. Darshan Shah?

  How much does the prescription cost? Like if you go to Mexico and you're buying it from a Mexican pharmacy?

• 31:22Speaker 01

  Seven dollars. And it usually it's a three day regimen, two pills a day. So it's around six pills and those six pills in the United States cost a thousand dollars.

• 31:31Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And it's from the same company that makes the pill, right? So it's not even like a different company or a generic version. It's actually the same company.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  That's correct.

• 31:40Dr. Darshan Shah?

  It's just crazy.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  It's so sad. It's so sad. I think at one point when I was going through all of this, because I really love Western medicine. I really love learning about the human body. I loved teaching about it. It was one of my favorite careers was being a professor and running colleges. And, and so when all this happened, you know, I went through a little bit of a grieving process because you're like, how could, how could I have invested 20 years of my life and have this be such a huge thing that like my colleagues kind of threw me aside when they found out what I was doing and who I was. They were really embarrassed. I had some of them block me and I'm like, really, you guys? I'm just trying to teach people about their body.

• 32:22Dr. Darshan Shah?

  They blocked you?

• 32:23Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:23Dr. Darshan Shah?

  That's so crazy.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Oh, it was crazy. I do have a few that were naysayers, actually cleanse and have some worms come out. And they texted me and said, Kim, and I go, I know. It's wild.

• 32:36Dr. Darshan Shah?

  It is. I mean, I don't think anyone really looks for them. So it's hard for people to know whether or not they have them, right?

• 32:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:43Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Until you become more aware. And so there's tons of pictures all over the internet and social media of what it looks like when you're, you know, actually getting rid of worms and you can find them there very easily.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, thanks. Cause of me. I was like, I totally take them all. I probably look at like 30, I probably looked at like 30,000. Yeah, we actually have a book and I identified around four or 5,000 inside of that book. So if you see something inside of your stool, you can go over to rogershood.com and download the book and you can go, oh, that looks very similar to roundworm. And there are three types of cleansers. There's the flushers where they just go and flush. There's the lookers and then they flush and then there's the people that dig. And those diggers are the ones that get me those pictures. The diggers are the best. They'll literally get in there with chopsticks. I mean, it's wild. It's wild.

• 33:36Speaker 01

  They have videos like I never thought that this was gonna be.

• 33:39Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Oh, my God, that's crazy. Yeah, I have a hard time sending even just sending a stool sample in, never mind doing that. How many different kinds of worms are there?

• 33:49Speaker 01

  Thousands.

• 33:50Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Thousands.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's thousands that can be in the human body.

• 33:53Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So and it really, I guess, not to say it doesn't matter, but the type of worm doesn't really affect the treatment, right?

• 34:01Speaker 01

  It depends. So, yes, it can be the type of worm will switch your actual treatment. So we're like a Z-Pak.

• 34:09Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Okay.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  Right? We're gonna go in and we're gonna help treat the inflammation, break the biofilm and the mucus down. We're gonna help move out the heavy metals, which are weighting them down. So it kind of releases the parasite when you remove the heavy metals, then you gotta go in and target them. So it's like this shock and awe effect. And so, but if you know exactly which one you have, then you can bring in a synthetic and it'll target, because you know, everything's just a frequency.

• 34:36Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  Right? So it's the frequency of like when an opera singer sings and she shatters the glass with her voice, her voice got to that frequency. So all I did was figure out what the ailment is and what herbs should be brought in for that frequency. And that's what medicine does too, synthetic-driven medication does. So you wouldn't take fenbendazole if you had a tapeworm.

• 35:01Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Okay.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Right? But if you take fenbendazole and you have a tapeworm, it's gonna help get rid of some of the other worms that are associated with the tapeworm, but it might not necessarily attack the tapeworm's nervous system, which is what's hijacked your nervous system, which is where the frequencies and the thoughts can be controlled within your body, like toxoplasmosis gondii.

• 35:24Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Okay.

• 35:25Speaker 01

  That's another one where it's a mind-controlling parasite.

• 35:28Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, and so when you talk about affecting your nervous system, how does a worm actually do that?

• 35:33Speaker 01

  It attack, well, on the microscopic side of it, it just like attaches itself inside and then it'll just ride it. I don't know how else to explain it.

• 35:43Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Like a nerve?

• 35:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, it can attack itself, it can, you know, because the nervous system, we all think it's just a system, but it's actually like real and it's a physical thing within our body and it can actually hang on to that. Same with our lymphatic system, they're in our lymphatic system. So people like my best friend who blows them out her nose periodically is because they're in her lymphatic system. And so she's constantly flushing her lymphatic system out.

• 36:07Dr. Darshan Shah?

  I see.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:08Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And so for people that are struggling with, I think about like the regular patient that comes to me. And you know, a lot of times people come and they've seen every doctor and they're struggling with symptoms that they can't get rid of and they're getting worse. We always check them for like mold and lime and heavy metals and other toxins. We send stool tests out for microbiome, but they don't really check for worms.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:35Dr. Darshan Shah?

  But I wonder if there's a way to just check everyone for this.

• 36:38Speaker 01

  There should be.

• 36:39Dr. Darshan Shah?

  There should be, right?

• 36:40Speaker 01

  That's really what I'm working on. Once we get the things with Rogers Hood like handled, my goal is to actually do some medical reforms so that we have options for people that have parasites, mold and lime in our world that we can go and actually get tested, reliable, accurate, affordable testing. Like it's really out of a lot of people's hands affordability.

• 37:03Dr. Darshan Shah?

  I interviewed someone who started a company called Mold Co. a few weeks ago. Do you know about this company?

• 37:08Speaker 01

  No.

• 37:09Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, they've done such a good job of making mold testing, both for your body and also for your home.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 37:15Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And then the treatment as well, easily accessible, simple. If you look it up, it's very similar to what you're doing, yeah.

• 37:22Speaker 01

  That's cool. I will. I'll go look them up because it's really a cool thing to be a part of this. I know I'm pioneering something here and our community and this team and like everything we're all doing. I'm so honored to be a part of it and just sit here with you. It's such an honor to sit here and some of the greats that I've gotten to podcasts with. I just feel like we're missing something just a little bit, right? We're giving all these supplements, but they're not fully being absorbed because there's something in the people's gut or in their blood and their tissue that's not allowing them to absorb everything. And that's what was going on with me. I was doing all the right things before I parasite cleanse, but I still wasn't at

• 38:04Speaker 01

  an optimal health level for everything I was doing. And I'm like, why? Why not? And here, three days later, after I take some wormwood and some Oregon grapefruit and some garlic, like I'm pooping worms. And you're like, oh, that's exactly what's going on with my body. So no matter what I was doing, it didn't really matter because they were just stealing my life force from me.

• 38:26Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  And so it's really important for people to know that this is simple. This is easy. This is something that we should be doing. I mean, we eat sushi, like.

• 38:35Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  I mean, I was eating it a couple of times a week, you know?

• 38:38Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  And it's known to be in there. So.

• 38:41Dr. Darshan Shah?

  But isn't it like, aren't you supposed to like freeze the fish before you eat it? That's supposed to kill the worms, right?

• 38:46Speaker 01

  I mean, a 46,000 year old worm woke up from the permafrost in Russia and started eating and birthing babies. So I mean, I don't think freezing is always like.

• 38:56Dr. Darshan Shah?

  That reliable.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  No reliable way. Now boiling it, that's the most reliable. You're killing anything that could potentially be inside of your animal, but then you're not able then to eat raw, right? Because some people just love that. And so it's just the closer the cut to the belly of the fish is going to have more worms. And that comes straight from the Seattle Pike fishermen, because I've interviewed them and they're like, yeah, all fish have worms. And I'm like, listen, society doesn't realize that all fish and seafood have worms. So it might be knowledge to you guys because you see it all day, but that's not really common knowledge for the general population.

• 39:35Dr. Darshan Shah?

  No, I mean, that's kind of hidden from the general population. That would definitely affect fish sales.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Yes. I'm surprised salmon sales have not come to me and been like, I'm surprised Costco has not come to me because I rag on them. They have the worst salmon.

• 39:49Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Really?

• 39:50Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, it's terrible. Well, they buy just a mass production of salmon. And then it sits and they freeze it, but freezing always doesn't work.

• 39:59Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Hmm.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 40:00Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Wow. So what kind of salmon do you think is the best to buy if you want to eat salmon?

• 40:06Speaker 01

  I mean, I miss salmon. Salmon's my favorite. I really, I did. Yeah, I just can't get past it.

• 40:11Dr. Darshan Shah?

  It just has the highest amount of worms in it?

• 40:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it has the highest amount of worms. Halibut's pretty, pretty up there too. The bottom feeder type of fish. Like the garbage fish is kind of what they call them in the fisherman world. They're like, those are the garbage fish. And I'm like, listen, everyone loves them. So I just gotta keep showing them on my videos. I feel like that helps a lot to see like videos of me sitting there going, look, there legit is worms. It's not just some random chick on the internet being like, listen, I can't make this up.

• 40:44Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right. You actually see them.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  You can see them moving.

• 40:47Dr. Darshan Shah?

  But also to your point, like a lot of parasites, you cannot see them microscopic.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Well, I had Cryptosporidium parvum, which is parvo, which kills puppies. And I caught it from the water because I lived in the outskirts of a rainforest in Washington. And it's their signs everywhere, but I didn't ever put two and two together either. And even up there, when I got diagnosed, they're like, what do you mean you have parvo? And I'm like, listen, it's everywhere here. And we just don't realize it. We just don't think about those things.

• 41:15Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right, right. Well, I really appreciate you bringing this to the forefront for people and giving them a solution with your kit. And so now you, you're making this yourself. So these are the highest quality ingredients, I assume, in here?

• 41:27Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 41:28Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And how can someone purchase this?

• 41:30Speaker 01

  Well, you can get it on rogershood.com.

• 41:33Dr. Darshan Shah?

  That's amazing. Well, I'm so glad you did this and thank you so much for coming on the podcast to talk about this important topic. Where can people learn more from you? What's your TikTok handle?

• 41:42Speaker 01

  You can find me mrsrogers.hood on Instagram, which I have, oh, I might hit 400,000. So I'm really excited about that. And then on TikTok, it's mrsrogershood, no dot. And then you can also find my podcast, What's Eating You? Letter you. So we've done a podcast so I can go into more of a long form talking about all of the different modalities, like what's at your facility next health. Those things have changed my life.

• 42:09Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Really?

• 42:10Speaker 01

  Yes. Oh, red light, cryo, cold plunging, like all of these things are so good when you have lime and mold. They help H-Bot. H-Bot game changer for me.

• 42:20Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  As soon as I got into that H-Bot, it snuffs that lime out. It snuffs the mold from continuing to colonize in my body. So, really great.

• 42:29Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Wonderful. Well, thank you so much for joining me today. Can't wait to get this out there to the public and I can't wait to try it. I'm just gonna try it.

• 42:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm excited for you.

• 42:38Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Thank you so much.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 42:45Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Here are my top five takeaways from that episode with Kim Rogers. Number one, normal labs don't mean nothing is wrong. Parasites, mold and lime are notoriously undertested for and often missed on standard panels. Symptoms can be real and very disruptive, even when blood work says you're fine. Number two, parasites can impact more than just your digestion. Common signs include bloating, IBS, teeth grinding, insomnia, fatigue, brain fog, irritability and hormone disruption. They can influence the nervous system and even alter your cravings. Number three, the conversation about parasites is often dismissed in conventional medicine. Testing is limited and often unreliable.

• 43:30Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Insurance rarely covers the treatment and parasites are often labeled as a rare condition, despite being very common globally and frequently treated preventatively in many other countries. Number four, foundations matter before cleansing. Jumping into aggressive detox protocols without supporting drainage pathways, gut integrity and nutrients can backfire. A phased supportive approach is key to avoiding overwhelm. And number five, self advocacy is essential. Whether parasites are the root cause or part of a bigger picture, persistent symptoms deserve investigation. Gut health isn't just about digestion. It's about energy, mood, hormones and reclaiming how you feel in your own body.

• 44:17Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Thank you so much for listening to the podcast today. Please remember to subscribe if you liked this episode and give us a good review and share a link with your friends. It really helps to support all of our efforts. I also want to remind you that the information shared on this podcast is for educational purposes only and is not intended to replace professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Please consult with your healthcare provider or physician before making any decisions or taking any action based on what you hear today, especially if you have any underlying health conditions or on any medications. Your doctor knows your personal health situation the best, and it's always important to seek their guidance.