Bonus Episode: 1994. We Didn’t Know How Good We Had It

How great was 1994 for music? The year Weezer’s “Blue Album” was released? Well, pretty tough to beat. This is a nostalgia episode so turn Beavis and Butt-Head off in the background, throw some Hot Pockets in the microwave, and put down your copy of Sassy magazine, because it’s time to listen to this Disgraceland bonus episode. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:11Speaker 03

  I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actress, stand-up comedian, creator, and host of Scam Goddess Podcast, the true crime comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Each week I bring on an amazing guest.

• 1:23Jake Brennan?

  Ooh, I scammed them.

• 1:24Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:25Jake Brennan?

  I could talk to you for an hour.

• 1:26Speaker 03

  You're a generational yapper, like me. That's why I had to make yapping a job. And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube. Start listening to Scam Goddess on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 1:43Jake Brennan?

  Hey, discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand, the after-party.

• 2:10Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, people, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, Weezer's so-called "Blue Album," the glorious year for music that 1994 was, a bunch of stuff about pulp fiction that you probably didn't know, plus your voicemails, texts, emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind that you'll end up telling to someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it.

• 3:05Jake Brennan?

  What's with these homies dissing my girl? Why do they gotta front? Or is it, why do they have to front? Did he use proper, proper English there? I don't know. We laugh at that Weezer lyric now, and I guess we kinda laughed at it back in 1994 when it was released, when it smacked us in the face as the opening line from the band's Buddy Holly single. I didn't take Weezer seriously at the time. I took them and the Blue Album, I took the band and the album for granted, I really did. And it wasn't until their follow-up in 1996, it wasn't until Pinkerton that I started to think of Weezer as a real band, at least a band that I was interested in.

• 3:48Jake Brennan?

  And the irony is that that was kind of the point of Pinkerton. Rivers Cuomo, he wanted to be thought of as a real artist, somebody akin to Kurt Cobain. And when he made Pinkerton, that helped him achieve that goal, but he ended up distancing himself from that album. There's the irony. He dismissed it for a bunch of different reasons, but it was a commercial flop and it was a huge departure from the Blue Album. But that Blue album was the album that caused us in the first place to not take him seriously, which is the thing that he was trying to correct with Pinkerton. I don't know, it's all, it's all very confusing. He's since come around on Pinkerton, sort of. There's a bunch of conflicting comments out there, but I believe, deep down, Rivers Cuomo knows what a great album that is.

• 4:32Jake Brennan?

  But for me, Weezer never really recovered after that. And being from Boston, being part of the rock scene back then, we had a direct connection to Weezer all of a sudden because of bass player, Mikey Welch, who was well-known around town. And he became the bass player for Weezer after Pinkerton. But, you know, the stuff they released afterward, I don't know, it just, it, I don't dislike Weezer, but I'm not running to listen to their albums, unless it's Pinkerton, or even the Blue album. The Blue album is, is the album in my house that my kids and my wife love, and I lose the Pinkerton argument every time. But that's not really the point I want to make. The point I want to make is that nowadays, it's weird to think that we had the luxury

• 5:17Jake Brennan?

  of dismissing an album as great as the Blue album back in 1994. We did not know how good we had it when it came to music, when it came to culture in general, but especially when it came to music in 1994. 1994 was a banger of a year for music releases. But so was basically every year during the 90s. But 94 in particular, 91 as well, but really 94, it's just, it's unbelievable. Check these records out. These were full lengths that were released in 1994. Definitely Maybe by Oasis, Grace by Jeff Buckley, Dookie by Green Day, Ill Communication

• 5:57Jake Brennan?

  by Beastie Boys, Vitology by Pearl Jam, Ready to Die by Notorious B.I.G., SuperUnknown, Soundgarden, Parklife by Blur, Mellow Gold by Beck, Bad Religion, Stranger Than Fiction, Roman Candle by Elliott Smith, Illmatic by Nas, Sick of It All, Scratch the Surface, Nirvana, MTV Unplugged, Shellac at Action Park. Tori Amos came at us, Under the Pink, I think that's her debut album, or second album, I don't know. But that's the one with Cornflake Girl on it, I believe. Grandly Buffalo, Mighty Joe Moon, great album, not, not super well-known, but great. TLC, Crazy Sexy Cool, huge record, huge hits. Nine Inch Nails, Downward Spiral, R E M, Monster, Tom Petty, Wildflowers, Madball, Set It Off, Purple by Stone Temple Pilots.

• 6:40Jake Brennan?

  The Jesus Lizards record Down came out, I think I saw them in 94. Luscious Jackson, Natural Ingredients, Regulate, The G-Funk Era by Warren G. Sonic Youth, Experimental Jet Set Trash and No Star, Kias, Welcome to Sky Valley. We love that album. That was the precursor to Queens of the Stone Age. Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain by Pavement, Portishead Dummy, Drive Like Jehu, Yank Crime. If you don't know that album, go check it out. Backbeat came out with an excellent soundtrack with a super group. The Crow soundtrack was from 1994. Hole, Live Through This, Sunny Day Real Estate Diary, Nick Cave and the Bad Seas, Let Love In, Wait by Rollins Band. I didn't love all of these albums when they came out.

• 7:23Jake Brennan?

  Some I've grown to appreciate over time, but I can confidently say that they were all on my radar. And I was into most of them when they were released. In 1994, I lived with a bunch of roommates. We were all huge music fans. Too many roommates to count in this shitty little, literally rat-infested basement apartment on Huntington Avenue in Boston. So while I was going to Northeastern, we were within walking distance to Newbury Street. So Newbury Comics was there, Tower Records on the corner of Newbury and Mass Ave. And I can attest that nearly every one of these records on CD, every one of these albums on CD at least, was either physically purchased by myself and/or my roommates, or was in our radar. You know what I mean?

• 8:09Jake Brennan?

  We had access to all of this music in the year that it was released, 1994. I didn't love all of it, obviously. I wasn't buying TLC albums, but those singles were everywhere, for example. And I didn't hate them. You know what I mean? I didn't hate on TLC. Now I hear those singles and I'm blown away by how great they are. And again, how I just dismissed it.

• 8:35Jake Brennan?

  This is crazy to me. And a lot of this stuff, you know, a lot of these artists that I just mentioned, some of the stuff, if I, if I tried playing it in that apartment I'm talking about, I'd get my ass torn up for listening to it because music was hotly debated, bands fell in and out of favor with every release, with every video, with basically every move they made. For example, I loved that third Pearl Jam record, Vitology. But this is the third Pearl Jam album. The second Pearl Jam album was a monster record, monster, huge, huge. You could just walk around Boston and you would just hear that album playing from

• 9:16Jake Brennan?

  windows. It was absolutely massive. So by the time the third record comes out, I mean, we were sick of, I was sick of Pearl Jam by 10, basically, but I still, it was so overplayed, that first album. But I still liked the band. My friends, on the other hand, it was way uncool to like Pearl Jam. And by the third record, it was definitely uncool to like Pearl Jam. They were just, you know, a less cool version of Soundgarden, who we thought was beyond cool. They were darker than Pearl Jam. Their singer was just as talented. They were heavier. But, you know, I didn't love Superunknown, the album that came out in 1994, as much as I love Bad Motorfinger. I still listen to Bad Motorfinger. My neighbors can attest to

• 9:57Jake Brennan?

  that. It's one of my favorite driving records. I pull onto my street pretty much once a week with, with Bad Motorfinger blaring from my, my car windows. Great driving records, one of my favorite driving records. It's interesting for me to think about these albums from the perspective of two of our greatest intellectuals and music scholars from the 90s, Beavis and Butthead. Now, their takes on these artists still, to this day, crack me up. They're exaggerated takes, obviously, but they're, they're rooted in fact. And they're exaggerated takes on what my friends and I really thought about these artists. Soundgarden, the Butthole Surfers, Jesus Lizard, yes, please. Yes, as Beavis and Butthead will tell you over and over again.

• 10:41Jake Brennan?

  Now, Ozzy Osbourne duetting with Lita Ford, not so much. We're good. 1994 was so good, so good for music. So much went on, too. I mean, gee, Kurt Cobain died. OJ Simpson took us on a wild ride in his white Bronco. Nancy Kerrigan, a Northeastern University alum, by the way, she got her knee popped 94 by Tonya Harding and her thugs. Friends appeared for the first time on television, gave us something to to look at on Thursday nights after Seinfeld. There was a massive earthquake. People don't understand how big this earthquake was. It killed a ton of people, like almost 60 people in Southern California. Michael Jordan started playing baseball. Pulp Fiction was released and so was its soundtrack.

• 11:25Jake Brennan?

  And all of a sudden, we all liked Cool in the Gang. Bill Hicks died. Yes, we were on to Bill Hicks in 1994. Bill Hicks died. Jim Carrey was everywhere in 94. He had like 800 movies that year. Jenny McCarthy, who I don't think yet was with Jim Carrey, but she was on the cover of Playboy in 94. Reality Bites was a lame version of all of us that we all pretended to hate, but we secretly loved. Clerks was a worse version of us that we all pretended to like more than we liked. Reality Bites. I guess my point is that there was so much awesomeness going on back in 1994. And all of it had the potential to distract me from the awesomeness

• 12:07Jake Brennan?

  that was going on on Weezer's Blue Album. Happy Days, Spoofs, you know, kind of funny, but didn't really rate. And then Pinkerton, like I said, opened my eyes, but it wasn't until a couple of years later. That record was released in 96 and was radically different, radically different. And even though that was the album that Rivers Cuomo set out to make, and that album in a way did what he wanted it to do. Again, so many, he's got so much, so many conflicting comments and thoughts about about what I believe to be Weezer's best album. Not to mention a bunch of weird comments and actions as well, which you can hear all about in this week's new Disgrace Land episode on Weezer. Coming up next in Disgrace Land,

• 12:50Jake Brennan?

  coming up in the feed next, right after this episode, is going to be our archive episode on Aaliyah, speaking of the 90s, and her illegal marriage to R. Kelly and her, the mystery around her death. That's coming this Sunday. And then on Tuesday, we've got our new episode on Adele. Adele's album 21, it sold like 17 billion copies. Actually, no, 17 million, but it feels like it's one of the biggest selling albums. And I don't own it. I'm not one, I'm not one of those who bought it. I don't dislike Adele, but I'm not running to listen to Adele or to go to her shows. I kind of like, I like her more as a personality. I think she's hot shit and she's obviously tremendous talented. And honestly,

• 13:34Jake Brennan?

  if she put her stuff out in 94, I probably own the album, you know, but I don't. I'm one of the few, I guess, who doesn't own it. I do have like seven copies of Frampton Comes Alive by Peter Frampton. That's another one of those records that for its time sold a gazillion copies. Which massive selling album do you guys just not care about? Don't vibe with? Is it Thriller? I don't know. Anything by the Beatles, Abbey Road, Let It Be, Exile on Main Street by the Rolling Stones might be my, my favorite album of all time. You might hate it. It's largely considered to be the Stones' greatest. I don't think it's their, their biggest seller. But my

• 14:16Jake Brennan?

  point is, which top-selling albums? Oasis, definitely. Maybe Nirvana, never mind. Do you just not care about? That's gonna be the question of the week next week as we dive into Adele. It's gonna be a great episode. Adele is fascinated with true crime and because of that, we've got a really interesting entry into Adele's story. Can't wait for you to hear it. 617-906-6638. Give me a call, leave me a voicemail, hit me up on text with your answer to the question of the week. Which massive selling album do you not have in your collection? Because, you know, you just don't care. Disgraceant Pod on the socials, [email protected] if you want to email me. Now, I mentioned Pulp Fiction earlier, and in the exclusive section of this

• 14:58Jake Brennan?

  after-party, Dr. Lundey and I are going to take you deeper into 1994 and discuss some of the weirdness connected to Pulp Fiction. For example, did you know that Tarantino wrote the Bruce Willis part for Matt Dillon? Okay, I did not know that. There's a lot I didn't know about this movie, and I love this movie. This movie, it was so ubiquitous and it still kind of is in culture and in history that it feels weird to get out there and champion it. You know what I mean? It's like, again, I bring up the Beatles, like championing the Beatles. You know, they don't need any more champions. It's, they're good. You know, this movie's good. Everyone knows it's fucking great. Changed the game, but still, there's so much to this movie that I did not know about.

• 15:43Jake Brennan?

  Lot of weirdness. Zeph and I are going to be diving into it in the exclusive section of this episode. Go to disgracysandpod.com to become an all access member of Disgraceland to unlock this exclusive content and ad free listening. All right, I'm gonna take a quick break. I'll be back in a flash right after this with your voicemails, texts, emails, DMs, and more.

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• 17:14Speaker 03

  I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, standup comedian, creator, and host of Scam Goddess Podcast, the true crime comedy podcast, all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Each week I bring on an amazing guest.

• 17:26Speaker 05

  Ooh, I scammed them.

• 17:27Speaker 03

  What?

• 17:27Speaker 05

  I could talk to you for an hour.

• 17:29Speaker 03

  You're a generational yapper, like me. That's why I had to make yapping a job. And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube. Start listening to Scam Goddess on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 17:51Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, I'm back. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone, 617-906-6638. You want to give me a call? You want to send me a text about anything, any subject under the great blue sky? Last week, we talked a lot about great punk albums. It was in reaction to Rolling Stones' list of the 100 greatest punk rock albums. We were talking about records that are punk but aren't by punk artists, all that stuff. Steve hits us on this from Toronto.

• 18:20Speaker 06

  Hey, Jake. Steve from Toronto here. Just want to comment on your punk albums that aren't punk but are punk, that are punk. I kind of feel like I'm cheating with this one, but 1988, "It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back" by Public Enemy. I don't know if it gets more punk than that. That's not punk. So, yeah, that's my, uh, that's, I'm throwing that one into the, uh, into the proverbial ring there. "It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back" by the great Public Enemy. 1988. Bye.

• 18:52Jake Brennan?

  Steve, you are absolutely right. Doesn't get much more subversive, doesn't get much more hard-hitting than "It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back" by Public Enemy. And I actually think that record, for me, I believe it's Public Enemy's second album, full-length, right? Second, yeah. That was my introduction. And I was just kind of catching up with who Public Enemy was by the time the "Fight the Power" single came out after that record, uh, as part of "Do the Right Thing." And I think "Fight the Power" ended up on their third album. But it was the single in the video, and I remember watching that and just my jaw being on the floor. I could, I could not believe what I was seeing.

• 19:36Jake Brennan?

  It was exhilarating. It was thrilling. It was a new kind of hip-hop. It felt like hip-hop, but it felt like history and CNN and Hollywood. It just, it was electrifying, just as electrifying as when bands like The Sex Pistols or The Clash hit the scene, and again, with the same level of subversiveness. All right, we got a call from Max. Let's see what Max has got to say.

• 20:03Speaker 07

  Hey, it's Max from the six six one slash four ten. So favorite punk, not punk record. How about Arthur by The Kinks? Love the show. Thanks, CJ.

• 20:14Jake Brennan?

  Thanks, Max. You know, I don't really think of The Kinks as punk because they predate it. But I hear what you're saying. I hear I do. I hear what you're saying. The attitude is fully there. And if if The Kinks came about there, if they were younger, if they came about later, they would have been part of that whole movement for sure. All right, let's check in with Sarah from the two oh six.

• 20:40Speaker 03

  Hey, Jake. This is Sarah from two oh six. I just wanted to add a little addenda to my previous message regarding the Jed Fair and Daniel Johnson album. Okay, so I'm a lifelong adult entertainer. I used to strip on Bourbon Street in New Orleans right before the hurricane Katrina. Anyhow, we used to work day shift in this little strip club on Bourbon Street. And when the customers weren't tipping and they were just there to drink, we would we would compete with each other to do what we called torture tracks, which were the kind of music that was like not amenable to drinking and that basically was

• 21:24Speaker 03

  kind of torturous for normal slash drunk dudes to have to listen to while they're also looking at tubes and but my go to, let me bring this one home. My go to was always Frankenstein Conquers the World by Jed Fair and Daniel Johnson. I just listened to it again and it continues to remain brilliant, jagged rhythm, weird freaking vocals and kind of an anti-science, anti, you know, AI like, but you know, obviously written in the eighties, so completely prescient. Anyhow, that was my torture track.

• 22:10Speaker 03

  I love your show. Thank you so.

• 22:11Jake Brennan?

  Much. Bye. All right, Sarah from the 206. First of all, guys, if you go into a, if you go into a strip club, you have to tip. It's the whole point. I mean, so the torture tracks, I get, I've never heard this before, but I love it. I love this. It's like a scene out of a movie. Now, to her point, however, about Daniel Johnston, Jad Fair, Jade, I always called it Jade Fair, which is probably wrong. Jad Fair is correct. I don't know this album. I don't know it. I'm looking it up right now. Jad Fair, co-founder, the influential lo-fi band, half-Japanese and cult singer, songwriter Daniel Johnston, teamed up in the late 1980s for one of indie rock's most legendary

• 22:56Jake Brennan?

  collaborations. Their partnership resulted in the 1989 album, It's Spooky, wildly celebrated for its primitive charm, emotional rawness, and childlike sincerity. I want to hear this. Tracks like I Did Acid with Caroline, McDonald's on the Brain. Torture Track compilations. This is a good one. It's a good question. I'm gonna noodle on this, Sarah. Thanks for your call. All right, let's check in with Armin in Calgary.

• 23:22Speaker 07

  Hi Jake, this is Armin from Calgary, Alberta. In regards to your question with a band that took a complete left turn with an album, I'm a big Depeche Mode fan and was into the synth pop stuff. Their song, Faith and Devotion, went from full synth pop to full instruments, and it was a complete left turn. Not only was it a complete left turn, but it was a successful left turn, and hit just as hard as any of the original Depeche Mode stuff. Along with that, shortly afterwards, they went back to what they were known for successfully. Thirty-plus years, forty-plus years, still around, still making music, still selling out concerts. That's a track record. And songs of faith and devotion just

• 24:04Speaker 07

  Established a whole different clientele and fan group for them while maintaining the group they had. Thank you. Love the show. Have a good night.

• 24:16Jake Brennan?

  Armin, great call, man. Great, great point about Depeche Mode. And I was gonna say, reminds me of Rolling Stones, Some Girls, which is, was at the time, seen as their quote unquote disco album. It's not a disco album, but they've got that disco, they deploy the disco bass drum thing, that thing, that octave thing. And it's,

• 24:44Jake Brennan?

  it's a fantastic departure from what they were doing before. It's, it's great. But unlike Depeche Mode, the Stones never really recover from that. Recover is the wrong word. They never really come back to what they were before that. There's not a lot of great Stones records after that. There's Tattoo You, which is basically Some Girls. It's the same thing, same, same sessions, I believe. And then, I mean, Steel Wheels? What are we looking at? Harlem Shuffle? You know what I'm saying? They never really get back to that rock, grindy, Americana-based

• 25:27Jake Brennan?

  rock that they amalgamated into something that was wholly their own. I mean, they tried, but it just never really, they never really do it. Not to the effect that the albums before Some Girls had. But with Depeche Mode, you're right. They go right back to what they were doing before, and it's fantastic. I love the Rolling Stones. Don't get me, don't get me wrong. But you gotta admit, stuff after 1980s is lacking. Great call. Great call, Armin. Appreciate you. 310 on the same subject texts in strangest deviation of any band I can think of is Bad Religion's second studio album Into the Unknown. It truly was. It was prog rock and organs. Really? The album kicks off with a synth swell that sounds like it came out of an AT&T commercial. It's so strange. So glad they abandoned that direction. I don't know this

• 26:12Jake Brennan?

  album. Never even heard of it. Never heard of it. What's it called? The Unknown, Into the Unknown. All right. 610 writes in, "The Anthony Bourdain Rewind gutted me, just like when I heard it the first time, just like when I heard that he died. What a heartbreaking disgrace. I saw him live in Easton, Pennsylvania at a talk he did, and it was a highlight of my life, especially talking about his love-hate relationship with the King, the Colonel, and the Crown, Burger King, KFC, and McDees. Thank you for sharing his life and struggles with honesty and compassion, nuance, and love instead of gossip and preaching. His kudos to you and the Double Elvis team. Keep up the great work and rock and roll from your pal Jonathan in the 610." Jonathan, thanks, brother. Appreciate you. Check out that Anthony Bourdain episode in

• 26:55Jake Brennan?

  the Rewind slot, guys, if you haven't. Should be at the top of your feed. 856 writes in, "Hello, it's Mark from the 856. Beck is pretty punk. Also, Midnight Vultures is an outlier. It's an album that when I showed some friends, they were like, 'What is wrong with you?' Others loved it. Midnight Vultures is very strange, even from an artist that is known to buck trends." Yeah, super strange, but I would say Sea Change is even weirder, or was at the time. Midnight Vultures, we were kind of like, "Ah, yeah, I get it. He's doing the disco thing." Sea Change is like, "Wait, he's Gordon Lightfoot now? What the fuck just happened?" Kel from the 781 writes in, "Jake, I got another Randy Rhoads story. Come on, spill it. I won't tell your kids. Thank you."

• 27:37Jake Brennan?

  I can't go there. I can't go there. Maybe someday. Just, uh, they gotta be older. 617-906-6638. You want to hit me up on voicemail or text? I'll be back in a flash with your emails and a very important update.

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• 28:52Speaker 02

  Enrollment in any Humana plan depends on contract renewal.

• 29:02Jake Brennan?

  All right. Royal Tenenbaums. Phenomenal, phenomenal movie, great movie soundtrack. Zeph and I are breaking it all down this week in This Film Should Be Played Loud. You're not going to want to miss this episode. I think this is our sixth or seventh episode of This Film Should Be Played Loud, our monthly conversation, video conversation, I might add, on great music from great films. Go to disgracypod.com, become an All-Access Member so you can access this great exclusive content, if I do say so myself. Matt, give the people a little taste of what we are cooking up in This Film Should Be Played Loud.

• 29:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, and I always had heard that Gene Hackman didn't like get this movie and like didn't get Wes Anderson and had a really tough time on set. But I saw an interview this past week when we were doing research for this, where Wes is talking about shooting with Gene Hackman, and he didn't really talk about it that way. He just talked about it more as like Gene Hackman is an actor who likes to be left alone like and and he likes you to like, he doesn't like to know that you're like standing there watching him. He wants you to like be over there somewhere out of the way. And so it sounded like it's, I think maybe this, this story about him being ill tempered on set was maybe apocryphal or something, you know?

• 30:23Jake Brennan?

  I could also see Wes Anderson just being a professional and respective of one of the great artists of all time.

• 30:29Speaker 06

  Correct.

• 30:30Jake Brennan?

  And seeing it, really seeing it through his eyes and understanding exactly what the guy needs. And Wes Anderson being the seasoned professional that he is,

• 30:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 30:38Jake Brennan?

  is not like, he's not taking it like, oh, what a fucking egomaniac dickhead. You know what I mean?

• 30:43Speaker 06

  Totally, totally.

• 30:44Jake Brennan?

  But him not, but Alec Baldwin doing the VO begs the question, why didn't Gene Hackman do the VO?

• 30:50Speaker 06

  Because I think it, it, it feels more like a book to me. It feels like the, the whole film is set up like there's all these.

• 30:56Jake Brennan?

  Oh, yeah, they have the books everywhere, right?

• 30:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, of course. And it, and it just feels like it's like a narrator of a book. It's like the omniscient narrator who's telling the story.

• 31:03Jake Brennan?

  But doesn't your brain tell you it's coming from Gene Hackman's perspective? Or not his perspective, but that it's Gene, the Gene Hackman character narrating it?

• 31:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, I guess, because, because the narrator is very biased.

• 31:15Jake Brennan?

  And if you're Wes Anderson, wouldn't you go, because it does sound like Gene Hackman, wouldn't you go like, this is too, if you really wanted it to be this omniscient kind of narrator voice that's separate from the whole thing, if you're Wes Anderson, wouldn't you go like, this is too much like Gene Hackman?

• 31:31Speaker 06

  Perhaps, yeah.

• 31:33Jake Brennan?

  But it does sound like Gene Hackman. So that makes me feel like Wes Anderson just didn't want to fuck with Gene Hackman anymore. And he's like, now I gotta narrate this thing. Give me the next best thing. And that's Alec Baldwin.

• 31:43Speaker 06

  Could be, yeah, could be.

• 31:44Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, that's the new episode of this film should be played loud. Go to disgracelandpod.com to become an all access member to unlock this exclusive content, plus ad free content and a whole lot more. Matt, since I have you here, I think it's high time we get, we're coming to the end of the month. May Madness is winding down and the people are curious, what is going on with our May Madness sitcom theme music Palooza that we've been following for the past three weeks? Give us an update, will you?

• 32:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, Jake, we are down to the final four in our May Madness sitcom theme tournament. Voting in this semifinal round will end tonight at 11:59 PM. So there's still time to get in a vote if you haven't yet, but I've got a little halftime update here for you. In our first matchup, we've got the Jeffersons with the early lead over the surprising Addams Family, 35 to 25. In our other matchup, two great theme songs going up against each other, The Golden Girls and Welcome Back Cotter. Currently Cotter and the Sweat Hogs are ahead 38 to 22. Again, there's still time to vote, to make your

• 32:55Speaker 06

  voice heard, to get your favorite sitcom theme into the final. Voting closes tonight at 11:59 PM.

• 33:04Jake Brennan?

  Well, there you have it. Thank you, Matt. Appreciate you. Appreciate the stellar analysis and for keeping the people informed. If you guys want to influence our bracket play, you know where to do it. Head over to Patreon. You can get there by going to disgracelandpod.com and you can make your voice be heard. You don't have to become a paid member. All right? Of course, you can become a paid member and we will greatly appreciate it. We've got a lot going on over here. We've got this film should be played loud. We've got our sitcom music bracketapalooza, disgraceland, Hollywoodland. Subscribe to Hollywoodland, by the way, on the iHeart Podcast app, wherever you get your podcasts. And we've got this ongoing conversation that's just forever happening. Phone, voicemail, text, and email. Speaking

• 33:49Jake Brennan?

  of which, we've got a very thoughtful email from Tom Powell, who writes in, "Hey, Tom from the 541 here, I have some thoughts on this list." Tom's talking about the Rolling Stone Top 100 Punk Albums list that we discussed last week. Tom goes on to say, "First, on the question of what is punk, I ultimately don't care. It's either good rock and roll or not. But here's how I like to think of it. The real punk was a brief period in 1976 and 1977 centered in London, New York, and Los Angeles. It was carried on after that by hardcore in the United States." United States and Oi, Crust, Anarcho in the UK. Everything else before is proto punk. Everything else after is post punk. Works for my linear brain.

• 34:34Jake Brennan?

  I can get with this. As for the list, the way I look at these lists is to completely disregard the rankings and just think of it as here's 100 great punk and punk related albums to hear. The rankings are just splitting hairs. You know, he's got a real good point, Tom. Overall, Tom says, it's a good list. I was very pleased to see bands like Naked Raygun, Soul Glow, The Meekins, The Mekons, the, I can never get that right. I played with that band back in the day too. And Team Dresh on the list. On the other hand, where are the Saints? That's a good point. And Squirrel Bait and The Undertones. Damn, there was no undertones on that list. But it's Rolling Stone. So what were we expecting? Love the show. Peace. Tom. Thanks, Tom. That's a great, a great way of looking at it and great email. You spelled out everything perfectly.

• 35:18Jake Brennan?

  This one comes from Laura Cobb. Hey there. My name is Laura Cobb. And yes, as the email reads, I am 42. I was listening to an episode several weeks ago. I never listen in order, but I'm a long time listener. Anyways, at the end of the episode, you asked listeners to contact the podcast about a musical artist who had a big impact on your life. Please do Tori Amos. I have a condensed explanation scripted out as a voicemail, but I can't find the episode that you asked for the feedback and list the phone number for the voicemail. Well, the phone number is always 617-906-6638. Anyways, again, it's Laura, like the salad Cobb, and I can be reached. Oh, she gives me her number there. And gratitude, Laura, also like the baseball guy Cobb in Florida.

• 36:03Jake Brennan?

  Laura, I would love to get into a Tori Amos episode. Just because I'm fascinated by Tori Amos and I don't know a lot about her. However, I need some sort of crime angle. So if you got anything, hit me back. And again, the number 617-906-6638. As I mentioned before, Zeth and I are going to get into Pulp Fiction. We're going to get into some Pulp Fiction history. We're going to get into some Pulp Fiction weirdness. We're going to get into some Pulp Fiction facts that you did not know. And that's all coming up in the exclusive section of this podcast. All right, I'll be back after this break.

• 36:52Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we mentioned so many artists that have been featured previously in Disgraceland in this episode, and we were talking about 1994. Nirvana, Soundgarden, the notorious B.I.G. Matt's gonna pull a couple of those episodes, grab the episode information for you and throw it in the show notes, so you can easily access those stories. And if you're interested in anything else, you might be new to the show, you might be thinking, I don't know what these guys have done in the past, there's a lot of episodes in the archive, just email me, all right? Let me know if you get a question about a certain artist, wondering if we covered them or not. Chances are, we either have, or we're planning on it. 617-906-6638. Let's recap, because I gotta get out of here.

• 37:36Jake Brennan?

  Number one, this week, our new episode on Weezer is available for you to listen to right now. Number two, our rewind episode coming up this weekend on Aaliyah will be available for you. Number three, Adele hits, that's our next new episode, that's coming next week. Number four, Zeph gives you those Hollywood and crime vibes in the Hollywoodland podcast, so make sure you are subscribed. And what else? Number five, this film should be played loud, our Royal Tenenbaums episode, that video is available for you to watch right now. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up. Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history, so keep calling, keep texting, giving us your answers to this week's question of the week and more, whatever else you guys want to talk about. Number seven, do not forget, this goes, this isn't just content, it's a community, a community

• 38:21Jake Brennan?

  of the obsessed, and no one cares about music books, records, and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do, and well, that's a disgrace. All right, Weezer's Blue Album, it was released on May 10th, 1994, and here's what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, I swear, all for one. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 21. Number two, the sign, ace of base. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 29. Number three, I'll remember from with honors. Madonna, last week, four. Peak position, three. Weeks on chart, eight.

• 39:05Jake Brennan?

  Number four, the most beautiful girl in the world, Prince, last week, three. Peak position, three. Weeks on chart, 12. Number five, bumpin' grind, R. Kelly, last week, two. Peak position, one.

• 39:32Speaker 05

  Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it!

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