All-Pro Cam Jordan on Saints QB Options, Defensive Mindset, Key Losses, & Family Legacy

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:30Channing Crowder?

  My damn uncle got diabetes. Took both his legs, made him blind. This fat ass motherfucker still drinking Mountain Dew.

• 0:41Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna lie, probably be that guy. Okay, you got diabetes. Ah, it's going down. Nah, you were. Beat my red velvet.

• 0:49Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, my uncle, my uncle ain't got no pinky toes, nothing.

• 0:53Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 0:53Ryan Clark?

  They had to cut them off.

• 0:54Channing Crowder?

  Crazy. One uncle, same one motherfucker. Like his couch set off the wall, he had two liters of Mountain Dew piled up behind his couch.

• 1:00Speaker 02

  Nah, it ain't funny. I'm trying not to laugh, but I'm just thinking like, yo, it's funny, dawg. Diabetes plus high blood pressure, like, it's astoundingly high for African Americans.

• 1:08Channing Crowder?

  Yeah. Oh, that shit's connected.

• 1:11Speaker 02

  Shout, shout out to Black History Month. It's a great thing.

• 1:38Ryan Clark?

  Well, man, let's make the pivot, man. Welcome to the pivot. We're excited to have you, Cam, Channing, Freddie T. I'm RC. To our partners over at Happy Dad, we appreciate you. Sponsors at DraftKings, everybody that supports the show. We got Cam Jordan here, 24th overall pick from Cal, New Orleans Saints, all-time sack leader. Congratulations on that. One of three people to play the game with seven and a half sacks for, what, 11 years? I think it's.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  For something like 11, whatever it is.

• 2:07Ryan Clark?

  Reggie, it's Reggie White, John Randall.

• 2:08Speaker 02

  John Randall, OG.

• 2:10Ryan Clark?

  It's the only two. And so I just think, man, just to be a part of, of that. Group says what you've accomplished in this league. Walter Payton, man of the year nominee twice. So it's not just about what you do on the field. But we kind of like to start to dive in to who the human is more so than the player. And we'll get to that. But for you, man, you grew up here. We're in Arizona now, but you grew up in Chandler, Arizona.

• 2:38Speaker 02

  B. Chandler High, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:39Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, they're actually pretty good.

• 2:40Speaker 02

  National powerhouse.

• 2:41Ryan Clark?

  Not a national powerhouse.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  We walk around, we bully people from Georgia and Texas and the likes. We walk around with our thing swanging.

• 2:48Ryan Clark?

  No, you don't.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  Chandler High out there really.

• 2:51Ryan Clark?

  No, you don't.

• 2:52Speaker 02

  Hey, come on, come on.

• 2:53Ryan Clark?

  What's up, the players that went to your school?

• 2:54Speaker 02

  Whatever your high school is, I'll fly my team out. We'll come get with it.

• 2:56Ryan Clark?

  What other guys graduated from there? Chase Lucas went there, right? Nikhil Harry?

• 3:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, Nikhil Harry, Brett Hunley. When I came out, defensively opposite of me was Deion Jordan. He was a real freaking nature. Like, I'm 6'4", he was 6'7". I ran a 4'6", he ran like a 4'4". Like, he was covering receivers. And I wasn't covering no receivers.

• 3:15Fred Taylor?

  Did your high school play Bijon Robinson High School?

• 3:18Speaker 02

  I don't even know.

• 3:19Fred Taylor?

  Because if they did.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  That's the running back from Texas. What high school did you go to?

• 3:22Ryan Clark?

  I don't know. The one with the Sagaros.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  Swaro?

• 3:25Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, that one.

• 3:25Speaker 02

  I figured he'd be a chaperone kid or something like that. I'm not just.

• 3:29Fred Taylor?

  Whoever he played, they wasn't playing.

• 3:32Speaker 02

  No, it was getting waxed.

• 3:34Fred Taylor?

  They was getting waxed, for real.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  Whoever, if he's from Arizona, if you don't go through Chandler High, you ain't playing nobody.

• 3:40Fred Taylor?

  Wow.

• 3:41Speaker 02

  Granted, when I played, we were like, I think the deepest we got was like semis. Nah, Chandler High won like the last seven out of 10 or 12 years it's been out. And then, let's not even talk about track. If you talk about speed, you're only talking about Chandler track.

• 3:55Speaker 05

  But y'all in the desert, they ain't got nothing else to do.

• 3:57Speaker 02

  Desert monsters.

• 3:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, look at coyotes and play ball.

• 4:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, facts, and we act different. Now, if you talk about basketball, I can't help it. I got nothing for you, not an AAU team, not a liquor YNCA, not a, not a Mary Nada.

• 4:09Ryan Clark?

  Hey, running from Havelinos, what?

• 4:11Speaker 02

  Havelinos?

• 4:12Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, running from Havelinos. Wild pig.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  I've been in Arizona all my life, and you're going to get those if you go out to like Prescott or something like that. You gotta be out there, out there.

• 4:20Fred Taylor?

  RC, we missing one accolade. We are, we share the 2021 Senior Bowl Hall of Fame class.

• 4:28Ryan Clark?

  Oh, congrats.

• 4:29Speaker 02

  You did a slide, slide.

• 4:31Fred Taylor?

  My old ass said it.

• 4:34Channing Crowder?

  Fred, 116.

• 4:37Fred Taylor?

  How I end up in his class? That just goes to show how great of a player you are.

• 4:41Channing Crowder?

  I was about to say.

• 4:41Fred Taylor?

  Cause I'm like 13 years ahead of you or something. You 89, right?

• 4:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:45Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 4:45Channing Crowder?

  Man, that's sweet. Y'all had to stay till y'all senior year?

• 4:48Speaker 02

  I mean, honestly.

• 4:49Channing Crowder?

  Damn, y'all wasn't that good.

• 4:52Speaker 02

  You was out of that chat?

• 4:53Channing Crowder?

  I hit his sophomore.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  Man, I'm getting drafted, shit, yeah. So like, true sophomore, like, red shirt?

• 4:59Channing Crowder?

  Red shirt.

• 5:00Speaker 02

  You had a red shirt?

• 5:01Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, well, a gray shirt. It was dirty.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 5:04Channing Crowder?

  It was dirty.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  So you had that year of development?

• 5:08Channing Crowder?

  Actually, I tore my knees up and got on some legal trouble.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Not as good, never had one of them.

• 5:12Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  Don't do me that.

• 5:13Ryan Clark?

  But you had three in high school, huh?

• 5:15Channing Crowder?

  Four ACL reconstructions in high school.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  Other what?

• 5:17Channing Crowder?

  Hell, man.

• 5:18Speaker 02

  You was going into college on a crutch, like, ain't no way.

• 5:23Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, man, that's four of them. Cause I would've switched things up. Going to a sorry high school, you the everything. I'd be in the huddle, I'd be a foot over my entire team on both sides of the ball. They know the big lights get muffed, getting rocked. Blink, blink, blink, blink, blink. Every play.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  You should've hit with that Larry Fitz, like, man, like, don't hit me down low, stay up top. If there's a flag, I'll pay your fine.

• 5:44Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, I ain't have the respect of Fitz. Yeah.

• 5:47Ryan Clark?

  You got the hair, though.

• 5:49Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, I got my hair. Fitz is sneaking. Love your Fitz, yours is sneaking.

• 5:55Speaker 02

  Not partaking in that.

• 5:57Ryan Clark?

  Cam, man, so, since you done telling lies about how great the Chandler, Arizona football is compared to Louisiana, compared to Florida and Georgia.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  We did lose IMG, so I can't say we're the best of the best, but we lost to them by like three points a couple years back.

• 6:13Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, they're cheating. For you, though, growing up with a pops that played in the league. Your father, Steve, played for the Minnesota Vikings. I believe he left there as the all-time leading receiver.

• 6:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:25Ryan Clark?

  When his time was up.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  As a tight end, yeah.

• 6:27Ryan Clark?

  As a tight end, right? And now you're breaking records. What was it like to have a father who experienced that much success in the NFL and to be following him? And he even wrote in the letter he wrote to you that he put you in Pop Warner because you thought you were a Hooper.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  Knew I was a Hooper.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  It wasn't that good.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  I could, I could feel them lies. I was like, I'm going to the league. Not basketball though, not basketball. When I was 13, pops just like dropped me off like with the pads. It was like, alright, man, figure it out. I was like, I don't want to be here. And then like, I was trying to show off, I was trying to show my ass a little bit. I was like, I'm not practicing hard, I'm not running hard. You can't make me. And then, you know, game rolls around, I ain't played much. Like, you go from, you know, always playing, always starting, always being that dude, you know, just being bigger naturally, like, more talented than a lot of cats growing up, to now, you know, 13 years old, and if you don't put that work in, you don't play, and I'm getting like three plays a game for like two weeks. I said, fam, so I still gotta, I still gotta run. I still gotta do these Oklahoma drills. And you know, this is,

• 7:32Speaker 02

  this is when coaches can MF you and, you know, do like now it's 2023, so everybody's softer. Like you, you gotta like, hey mother lover, your mother loves you very much. Yes, she does. Come over here and run this drill. Yes, you will. Come on. Like, you know, now, now everything's so, so sugared up, so it's so sweet. Like, I don't even recognize half these kids growing up. They, they're growing up entitled, but, I mean, you know, back so, I'm 13, and I'm like, bruh, I'm not playing? I gotta do all this work? It's Arizona. This ain't, this ain't like, you know, this ain't, this ain't where y'all from. This ain't cool in the summer. Nah, we had 110 degrees outside. You know what I'm saying? We, we ain't getting these, these new age water breaks every 15 minutes. Right. We, we getting that, water makes you weak talk, you know what I'm talking about?

• 8:16Speaker 02

  So, I'm in there like, bro, I'm going through way too much hell not to be playing. So I started turning up a little bit. So then, ever since I really started like, if you will, letting the hair down, I started cracking cats. And once we started cracking, it was on. I said, alright. But I was doing all, on the wrong side. I was offensive lineman. Boy was really setting them feet. And I said, bro, this is miserable. You know what I'm saying? I got to high school, and I was like, I want to be a defensive lineman. My coach looked at me and was like, I'm clearly one of the biggest kids on the team. I was a lineman trying to box me. I said, fam, I'm not, and I'm killing it. I got my first offer as a tackle, getting multiple offers from colleges as a tackle. I went to like that first little camp, probably my junior year, and You know, they were like, "Offensive lineman left, defensive lineman right." And I was saying, "Hee hee."

• 9:01Speaker 02

  "I'm tired of being hit, I'm going this way." You know what I'm saying? Like, the greatest thing about an offensive lineman is when nobody calls his name.

• 9:07Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 9:08Speaker 02

  For the amount of work we put in, the blood that we shed, ain't no way you not go, like, you gonna mention my name. You gonna, "Ooh, Cam Jordan locked down the left side." Said, "No one ever." You know what I'm saying? But Cam Jordan popped the lid off? Yeah, now we talking about it. Cam Jordan had an interception? Oh, we definitely talking about it. Had the sack strip fumble? Guess what we putting in the paper?

• 9:26Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  So I said, "You know what?

• 9:29Speaker 02

  Just for my, like, you know, for my decision alone, I'm going defensive side." And I started popping cats.

• 9:33Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, went to ballin'.

• 9:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, ay.

• 9:34Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 9:35Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? Need that.

• 9:36Channing Crowder?

  Like RC said, your dad already, I'm sure, respected around town. Everybody knew him and all that stuff. Were you ever chasing him? And when did you surpass him?

• 9:43Speaker 02

  Never, uh, never. I beat, so, I remember I was like, I was like, pops played in the league, like, he was a tight end, though. And so, you know, I remember I was an offensive lineman. We was in high school. My cousin could probably tell you the real, like, we were in high school. They, they drew a route up on the board. And was like, "Ay, man, we want you to run this stick, nah, yada, yada." I said, "Cool." Who am I blocking? Because in my mind, tight end's not an option. They're like, "Nah, man, we want you to go for a pass." I said, "You better call Steve."

• 10:11Speaker 02

  And my pops was, was the coach, and he, you know, I probably got one of them, huh? "You better call my father."

• 10:16Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  "You better call pa-" Yeah, "You better call my daddy." You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not him. I'm here to block or I'm here to hit somebody. I will not be a tight end. I will not be a receiver. You like, you can't put me in his shoes.

• 10:25Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 10:25Speaker 02

  And then, you know, so it was just, I just refused to be even, like, remotely.

• 10:29Channing Crowder?

  But even his success, though?

• 10:31Speaker 02

  That's nice. Who wants to be a tight end? They broke.

• 10:32Channing Crowder?

  No, no, no, but just, he went to the league, like, you, he, he was, he was, you was a little kid getting three snaps a game. Your daddy's a retired NFL player.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 10:41Channing Crowder?

  You was never chasing his goals.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Nah, coach out there looking at me, "Look at your, like, he supposed to be like-"

• 10:45Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, "Look at your daddy."

• 10:46Speaker 02

  And I'm looking at him. "No, I'm not."

• 10:50Speaker 02

  I refused, like, in every facet. And I think my dad did a phenomenal job of, beyond forcing me to play football, he never really forced that shadow on me. He never been like, "Hey, you gotta go get it." But he also led by example. Every, like, that man is 60. What is he, sixty-two now? He still works out five times a week. Pops gets it in. From as long as I can remember, if you was at my house on Saturday, after you did the chores in the morning, we was going straight to the field and you was getting all that work. You was getting seven sticks, curls, flats. You were running all types of routes. And it's fun for all of my friends and cousins that are coming through. They're like, "Oh, man, you get to do this, but your dad did this." I'm like, "Bro, huh? What you mean? I'm out here every Saturday. I'm dying."

• 11:35Speaker 02

  You know, but like, that's just a part of it. Like, we were so ingrained on how to work. And even so, you know, Pops had been my coach my entire life in some sort of facet. Now, he's working, he's an engineer, he does whatever he does. He gives back to the community. Started up the First T Program out in Phoenix, gives back. But he was my coach in terms of, he was always clicked in. So if I was out there running with defensive lineman, he would never let me run with him. You know, all the conditioning. I'm with linebackers, I'm with corners. And I can't be in the back, I gotta be in the front. You know what I'm saying? Whatever drills we doing, my man, my Pops may show up for one practice after week. But that one practice, it better be a consistent update of what I've been the entire week. It better be at the front of your line. Not like, "Oh, your dad showed up, you were at the front."

• 12:16Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  Now, he's going to the coaches because he's in. He's, "Hey, you know, Cam be slacking. Oh, I got your ass, big fella." You know what I'm saying? Like, there's none of that. So it's consistency. It's that idea that, man, it's not because of him, it's because of what I want to be. So he made that pivot for me real quick.

• 12:33Fred Taylor?

  You wasted the first six years of your life being Spider-Man, webbing everybody.

• 12:40Fred Taylor?

  Do you still think about being Spider-Man, though? Like, when you get a sack or some shit?

• 12:44Speaker 02

  Man, absolutely. But don't we all want superpowers? Look, we talking about webbing. Look, we talking about when I was a kid, I used to web the house up. I used to, my mom would be like, "He used to come down when he was a little kid and just take a ball of yarn and web the whole house." Hey, relax. Don't be telling everybody that.

• 13:04Channing Crowder?

  You ain't one of them grown men still watching cartoons and all that, are you?

• 13:08Speaker 02

  Anime.

• 13:09Channing Crowder?

  You watch anime?

• 13:10Speaker 02

  Let's respect it. Let's not just belittle it, man.

• 13:12Ryan Clark?

  I think that's different than cartoons to people that watch anime. To us, it's just a cartoon.

• 13:17Channing Crowder?

  Somebody drawing little figurines that run like this?

• 13:19Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 13:20Channing Crowder?

  That's a cartoon, Cam.

• 13:22Speaker 02

  I'm here for action, but I'm also here for the same. I'm looking for hands. I've never been here for storyline. In terms of movies, I'm here for, they're like, oh, this new Batman ain't it. Nah, Ben Affleck wasn't it. This new Batman out here giving people work.

• 13:37Ryan Clark?

  He really was though.

• 13:37Speaker 02

  He was out here giving people work. I'm here, and they're like, oh, but I didn't like him as a, I didn't ask for what he was. I like Bane for a reason. He out here giving these. If you giving out hands, I'm here to watch. And that's cartoon, anime, whatever you want to call it, or the plotline. I need to see hands. You give me this long storyline?

• 13:55Ryan Clark?

  You don't want to see character building. You don't want to see story.

• 13:58Speaker 02

  I'm fast forwarding into the, I need to see them choppers go. I need to see the hands action. That whole background story, I missed all of it. Don't, I don't know.

• 14:06Ryan Clark?

  Hey, so you basically just fast forward movies to fight scenes?

• 14:10Speaker 02

  I'm here for John Wick.

• 14:11Ryan Clark?

  That's an excellent movie.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? I'm here.

• 14:13Ryan Clark?

  Three excellent movies.

• 14:14Speaker 02

  He give you five minutes of talking, and now we on to this clip action. We here for all that.

• 14:20Ryan Clark?

  We've talked a lot about your father, and, you know, all of us have played in the league. We all have children. I have a son that plays at Arizona State. And so many times when there's a child or a son that does exactly what his father does, they always point to him. It's always, pops did this. He's playing like his dad, or his dad did all of these things. But your mother, Anita, she had to play a role in Stephanie,

• 14:46Speaker 02

  Jeffrey.

• 14:47Ryan Clark?

  Jeffrey and your lives as well, and, and just making sure that everything wasn't about sports. And you continue to grow as, you know, young men with your brother, a young, a young woman with your sister. Speak a little bit to how she had to balance all the things, the training, and being hard on you and pushing you that your father did, and then now the maternal love of a mom.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  Nah, see, look, we gonna, we gonna keep this a buck. Pops was that, like, background driving force. Moms was the first goalie. Moms was the first, you know, Shot instructor like Pops is out there working like even after he retired while he was playing. He was still in the offseason an engineer. Now it sounds great and everything like that, but that just means he's always working. So at the house, no, no, that was Anita Jordan's house. It wasn't, it wasn't Pops house. He comes in when he like, hey baby, I'm coming home. He gets in, is it cool if I, you know what I'm saying? Like there's, there's, there's a law order there. Moms is like, yo, this is what we gonna do. What you gonna do when you get into the house? Give me your book reports. If you haven't written a book report, you will be writing a book report. It was always school first. Pops with the brown, again, sounds good on paper.

• 15:55Speaker 02

  You know who's driving this home. Moms is like, look, this is what we gonna do. The first time I brought a C, I was like, yo, I'm varsity, varsity track, varsity football. Whatever, whatever it was, I was wrestling at the time. All that got yanked. The first time I brought home a C, Anita Jordan went to Chandler High, sitting in the class. My son know the answer. No, I don't. That's why I didn't take the A. That's why I got a C now, mom. I'm not doing well right now.

• 16:20Speaker 02

  But you gonna figure it out ASAP, just to get back on the football field. So, you know, like she drove home a lot of those, those lessons. But again, she ran track, she ran track back in the day over at South Mountain High. Like they was out there hoofing it. So she, she got all that athleticism and that mentality of like, if you gonna go get something, let's go get it. So we be out there and we run on asphalt. Moms is right there, never out of earshot, never out of eyesight. But she, she right there with whatever.

• 16:46Ryan Clark?

  So you hit the genetic jackpot then?

• 16:48Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 16:48Ryan Clark?

  So you're supposed to be a first round pick?

• 16:50Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 16:51Ryan Clark?

  I'm a lot less impressed now.

• 16:53Speaker 02

  Facts.

• 16:54Ryan Clark?

  Like at first I was like, man, you know, like Pop.

• 16:56Speaker 02

  He got it out the mud.

• 16:57Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, he got it out the mud. He worked hard. This kid came from Chandler. Nah, his moms ran track, was an athlete. His pop played.

• 17:05Speaker 02

  That's true, but whoever, whoever does the rankings though, they, they, he was a three star. Three. There was, Everson Grifson was a five star. I think me, him, Prince Amukamara and a center was up for athlete of the year. And I think. Everson won it, maybe Prince won it. But yeah, no, I try and tell people, I'm like, I'm not really, I'm not really built like y'all. I was like born like this. Like, you know how like, you can't teach size. Like, you see them seven footers in NBA that don't be playing? But you can't teach size.

• 17:32Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  I was given 6'4", 270 pounds by the time I was a senior in high school.

• 17:38Ryan Clark?

  That's crazy to me.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  And now, the only difference was, I was also running an open four from time to time. Our track coach, Eric Richardson from Chandler High, if you on the track team, you run a 4x4. And it could be, hey, we could be a dual meet, and there's nobody left. It's Chandler High versus Chandler High.

• 17:57Speaker 02

  You gonna run this 4x4, so you just got comfortable with being uncomfortable.

• 18:00Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 18:00Speaker 02

  And that's a great thing in Arizona.

• 18:02Ryan Clark?

  Hey, man, it's the big week. Everything comes down to this. We got two teams, you got Kansas City, you got Philly. And when you trying to build a team, if you right on that bubble, you gotta go out and get that one extra player or that one extra guy that takes you over the top. I mean, hell, football should have ZipRecruiter.com. Because right now, if you go on ZipRecruiter.com, you find that perfect match, anybody you need. It may not be a wide receiver, but it could be a nurse, it could be an accountant, it could be a trainer, whatever you need, ZipRecruiter.com has it.

• 18:31Fred Taylor?

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• 18:48Speaker 02

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• 19:14Ryan Clark?

  And we let him spell, not me, because he's better this time.

• 19:20Fred Taylor?

  Seriously though, did you, did you pay attention to those rankings? You was the 37th ranked DN coming out of high school. Did you use any of that for motivation or, you know, down the road when you decided to pick your colleges?

• 19:32Speaker 02

  Lightweight. I mean, I would use it as a deflector, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, they'd be like, "Oh, Kim, like, you got this, you got this, your dad was..." I was like, "Hey, man, I'm only a three star. Relax." You know what I'm saying? Like, "Oh, like, hey, you know, you should be running..." "Hey, relax. I'm just a three star, remember? Like, I'm only a three star." Because we go to a college, a college elects you know ASAP what you are. "Hey, you know, you're a three star, so you should probably commit with us." "Hey, I'm only a three star."

• 19:55Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  You know, you get that, you get that pressure from UCLA. "Hey, if you come up to this visit, we want you to commit." "You're my first visit. I can't commit." "No, we need you to commit."

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• 20:34Speaker 02

  I don't know about need. I'm just a three star, remember?

• 20:37Ryan Clark?

  So you basically using it to be an a-hole, because that's not a deflector. That is sarcasm.

• 20:42Speaker 02

  At its finest.

• 20:46Channing Crowder?

  Did you, as you talk about your parents, I just thought about it. Did you become your dad? And did you try to find your mom in women?

• 20:52Speaker 02

  No. I think I married my dad. That might be...

• 20:56Ryan Clark?

  He'd get beaten one-on-one and everything. There's love in basketball over there.

• 21:00Channing Crowder?

  That's why I'm asking, because now I think about their relationship and now I think about it. You know, you have a different relationship too.

• 21:05Speaker 02

  I feel like more times than not, and she, like, my wife will hate it. I'm married. Like, I don't know what I did with my ring. I lost it. Currently, I'll find it tomorrow, hopefully. But I literally, like, you know, so I refuse to wear rubber bands. Like, when I see cats wear rubber bands, like, my wife's like, "Why don't you put the rubber band on?" I said, "Did I go to Walmart for your ring?" "Don't push, don't push your 99 cent ring on me. Like, I got a really nice wedding band." Either way, I don't know where it's at right now. I set it down every time I go lift it in, but sometimes you just forget.

• 21:32Speaker 05

  It's about the women. You could just throw anything on, man.

• 21:35Channing Crowder?

  This ring is 12 years old. I think this ring is a hundred dollars.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  That's on you.

• 21:41Ryan Clark?

  But it's just, it's representative of something. I don't got to show out of it.

• 21:44Speaker 02

  I'm about to get this thing tatted, so like, just in case, like, mine is like, is really nice. I picked it out myself. I said, I like that one. If we're gonna put something on the ring, that's the one. But no.

• 21:53Channing Crowder?

  It's interesting how you say you married your dad, though. It seems like you line up with what you've seen.

• 21:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 21:58Channing Crowder?

  So people that are together with their spouse a long time.

• 22:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 22:01Channing Crowder?

  You go back and their parents are usually together for a long, like, you line that up, like what you've seen. You didn't, you didn't marry your mom, you married your dad.

• 22:08Speaker 02

  I thought I was marrying a good Christian woman, which she is. She just has a lot of perspective, like, drinking, drinking juice until like that last little corner and leaves it in the fridge.

• 22:18Channing Crowder?

  That's not Christian.

• 22:19Speaker 02

  I don't know what it is. I'm like, you heathen, like, who does this?

• 22:26Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? Like, who leaves that corner of juice? Her, you know what I'm saying? Like, she, she won't, or she, I'm like, hey babe, are you hungry? You know what I'm saying? Let me get something for you. She'll be like, no, but when my food comes in, who's the first at the door knocking? You know, so that was, to me, that's dad tax. Dad's been doing that all, all your life. Hey, man, what you got right there? Let me go here. Hey, man, you have your plate, or like, whatever you have going on over there.

• 22:50Ryan Clark?

  No, they got, you have your plate. You got our plate.

• 22:53Speaker 02

  I have his plate. Absolutely. It's, I got her plate, but her food is her food.

• 22:58Ryan Clark?

  You have four kids and you were given a tour to Cal for the final four. When you met, how is that relationship? Because you grew up in the house with two parents who were athletes. Your wife, even more so, McDonald's All-American, played at Rutgers. Is there?

• 23:17Speaker 02

  She was like the number two guard in the nation at the time.

• 23:19Ryan Clark?

  Is there like a level of competitiveness there between you two?

• 23:22Speaker 02

  Not so much on my side, but on her side, and I just match energy. I'm a very match energy guy.

• 23:29Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 23:29Speaker 02

  And you know, like, she'd be like, you know, whatever we do, and that's why, like, I don't even play cards with her anymore. Like, that's, she'd be like, she'd be like, babe, let's play Uno. I don't like, beyond me winning, it's now it's a challenge, right? Like, everything's a challenge. I'm like, babe, it's not that serious. It's just a game. Because for me, I'm still in the game. I'm still, I still get to be competitive as hell when I go to work. So when I come home, I'm just like, ah, it is what it is. And she'll be like, no, run it back. Shoot. And now we're here. And now we're here. But she definitely is, she's overly competitive. I'll probably, when I retire, I will be as competitive as her because that'll be my outlet. I am her outlet. We go hoops. She, you know what I'm saying, like one of our first dates, we were going hoops and I probably caught her eye because I was busting her ass.

• 24:12Speaker 02

  Like she plays basketball, but like I'm here for all that smoke. You know what I'm saying, 24, I'm Euro stepping and dunking, like I'm finishing. She like, she, her claim to fame is she beat me once. So that's how competitive it gets. She called her shot too though, right? Absolutely. We played like 200 times, but all she gonna remember is a win. I love that about her. I don't remember losses, I remember wins. She can remember her one win because I dunked on her next game. You know, like for me, you gotta stay out the paint. You know, there's rules, you gotta stay out the paint. You can't like bully her down. So there's, it's all just creating your own shot. She beat me the one time, I said, bet. We went to 11, I won 11-1.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  Like why is it, why is it that important? Because I matched energy.

• 24:56Channing Crowder?

  You might be glad you got married early. Because your game is taking a damn woman to play basketball?

• 25:02Speaker 02

  No, no, no, that was one of the first dates. Because she was a McDonald's All-American, she was a year removed from her basketball. So, I mean, I walked up to her, if we set this up, I walked to her. It's New Orleans, whatever that is, 2013, 2014. The women's NCAA Final Four is in New Orleans. So my Cal girls are like in the Elite Eight, trying to get to the Final Four. Me and my guy, a center of mine is from Cal. So we go say what's up to the girls. I was their peer, like the seniors peer advisor. I was a peer advisor in college. So that was my last group of girls. So I was like, alright, I'm gonna take you, my dogs out, go to Bourbon Street. We're gonna show a good time. The coach, the coach is over there like, Cam, relax. I'm like, ah, I have a man early, like no problems.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  You know, we walking down and we walk up on, you know, it's, it's women's NCAA Final Four. So it's women out there, they're going in droves. It's, you know what I'm saying? Like so you walking past them. You know, it is what it is. I found me a good pack. So I need that. It's just me, it's like ten or eleven of my basketball girls. It's, you know, Nikki, my wife, and like three of her bodyguards. You know what I'm saying? Like, there was a, there was a big one that was looking me in the eyes. There was, big girls love big guys. And I haven't understood that attraction, but it is what it is. Then there's, you know, there's like- She don't wanna toss around somebody little. She need to. Normally, she a big girl with a guy like, you know, you. Don't do that. Like, you know what I'm saying, like normally- They're not finna toss- When they go hum, it's always a hum.

• 26:32Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? It'll be a fella. Hey, buddy.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  Come on, baby.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  See you later, fellas. Old lady say I gotta go. Ju Lisa wants to leave. Martin, when Big Shirley called, so I had to go. You know what I'm saying? So, so we, we down in Bourbon Street, and there she was. So I'm like, uh, her, her, her larger friend was like, if I'm six-four, shorty was six-five. If I'm two-eighty-five, shorty was two, two-forty. Too fitting. Looked, looked me dead in the eyes, and you know what I'm saying? She like pressed me, and I was like, ah. I was like, sweetheart, I'm not the one for you. I like, I did a nice little Euro step beyond her. Now, she had another little friend, Euro step, shorty, got to her and was like, so what's up? And she wasn't feeling anything I threw at her. So, you know, uh, we go to one spot.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  First of all, I'm over here like, yo, I asked one of my teammates, I was like, hey, she, she swing for our team? Or like, cause like, she's throwing everything back, like backhand, forehand, it's all coming back. So, so in your estimation, in your mind, you can only get rejected by someone who doesn't like men? No, not even acknowledged, it's not rejected, it's not acknowledged. I said, oh, it must not be her wave, guys must not be her wave. Yeah. And it just so happened that like, you know, I, she was just like one of those, like I said, wife was devout Christian, walk on a straight line, had all of like two boyfriends her whole life. And he kept each one of them for like years, you know what I'm saying? Like, years. So, just never really walked into a type like her before. You know what I'm saying? Went through college, one boyfriend, through high school, one boyfriend. Right.

• 28:09Speaker 02

  Did not know that at the time, so you know, I'm over here thinking, and she doesn't drink, she don't smoke, like when I say ultimate athlete, shorty's like, I'm putting protein in the body, I'm putting this lesser carb in the body, like she's got her, she's regimented, work out at 5 o'clock in the morning. So you know, I'm popping off all the wrong game to her, "Look sweetheart, let me buy you a drink."

• 28:29Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  Hey, I mean, we gonna be out tomorrow, what's up? Eh. You know what I'm saying, I'm over here like, yo, I'm not, okay, I'm not clicking. Alright, let me take a step back.

• 28:38Ryan Clark?

  Was this flat top cam at the time, or no?

• 28:41Speaker 02

  This was probably headed in the flat top.

• 28:42Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 28:43Speaker 02

  Like the juice was coming, I think it was probably like a little high type fro. So either way, I had to like, I had to change the angle up, you know, I had a little, you know, what would Jesus do? Now this is God's love, but I had like, you know, a little what would Jesus do bracelet on, I had to shoot my angle. "Hey sweetheart, did you grow up in the church?" "Yes, oh, we're in."

• 29:02Speaker 02

  You're saying there's a way. You know, so I shot my shot that way and then just worked my way in, slowly but surely. She lived out in LA, I was going to LA anyways, I just like lived there the last off season and then, so we went on a nice little date, the second date, she's like, "I want to meet one of your friends." So I brought my best friend with me, and I was like, "What does one do for this?" "Okay, we gonna go to LA Fitness." Took her out to LA Fitness and started putting up some shots, she got serious about it and we started busting her ass.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  It's been on a cracking sense.

• 29:32Ryan Clark?

  Hey, for you, a kid from Chandler, Arizona, you go to Cal for school, you drafted 24th overall by the New Orleans Saints, I'm from the NO, it's a different place, right? It's not necessarily what you've been used to. What was that adjustment like for you personality wise?

• 29:50Speaker 02

  In which aspect? Right, from Chandler, you got Gilbert, Tempe, Phoenix, you know, you can get all the way, now there's a Glendale. I still don't know about Glendale, but there's so many different places you can drive to, like 15, 20 minutes, you can see people you've never seen before. We had some activations today that was like in North Phoenix, and even from Chandler, we don't really go to North Phoenix like that.

• 30:12Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 30:12Speaker 02

  And you know, this is all within 30 minutes, you go to New Orleans, it's just New Orleans. It is New Orleans. And then forty-five, fifty minutes away, there's Baton Rouge. Yeah. Four hours away, there's Houston. Like, there's no, like, surrounding cities, like, Metairie, Kenner, they're all the same. Yeah, you're right. Like, there's nothing you can see, nothing new you can see, you know, like, oh, I'm just going to the zoo, and it's in another city. No, it's right there. Like, everything's right there. Hey, I'm gonna go, it's right there. There's nothing, there's nothing huge about New Orleans. But because of that, it's also like, I already know where I'm going, I know how to move, you learn how to move. Yeah. And you're quick. Yeah. Which is important, because unlike here, like, in Chandler, you know you're good in Chandler, you know, when we were growing up, we used to have to, you know, fight some Hispanic cats.

• 30:57Speaker 02

  I'm not sure what the rift was, there was always a rift there. But we had riot police, because we was scrapping in the courtyard, like, we've been fighting Hispanic cats for, and in Arizona, we just got Mexicans. I don't know, like, everywhere, like, you get to New Orleans, and all of a sudden, you get Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Saudis. Arizona's just us and Mexicans. Fighting. Fighting, scrapping for no reason. Don't even know why I'm scrapping the courtyard. Hey, but like I said, I come from the burbs, I live a good life. Yeah. My parents. You say you chose the streets? They chose the streets.

• 31:27Speaker 02

  But, you know, that's just, that's just it. So you get to Cal, and again, Cal, you got San Francisco, Oakland, Richmond, Hayward, you know, all these surrounding cities, Fremont, like, you can go wherever you want to go. I was in love with Cal the moment I walked on campus. You know, and then you get to New Orleans, you're like, all right, what else can I see? Oh, this it, huh? Yeah. It's, all right. See my ass down. But then, the cuisine changes too. And now you go from west coast grilled everything to south fried twice everything.

• 31:54Ryan Clark?

  And gravy.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  And gravy, I was gonna say, and sauce. You gonna get this, Lanyea. They gonna, they gonna give you more sauce, and some more sauce. And so, you know, rookie year, we're from like, two ninety to like, three ten.

• 32:06Ryan Clark?

  You've, you've become a star there, and, and obviously now, you've been the captains for as, as long as you've been to Pro Bowls. And I know championships somehow have eluded you. You, y'all had two years back to back. You go seventeen, eighteen playoffs, Stephon Diggs play, right?

• 32:25Speaker 02

  Three years, really. It was seventeen, eighteen, nineteen.

• 32:27Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  Each one defined by. Seventeen was Stephon Diggs, miracle catch, and then he became a top-tier receiver. Like, we know Adam Thielen, we don't know this guy.

• 32:37Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 32:37Speaker 02

  Now we know this guy.

• 32:38Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Stephon Diggs is that dude. Then you talk about eighteen.

• 32:42Ryan Clark?

  Rams.

• 32:42Speaker 02

  Rams, where they smack my dog Tommy Lee right there by the end zone, completely before the ball even gets there, delivers a blow to him. I said, "Well, that's not, that's not, that's not defense. Everybody knows that's a flag. Don't get that." Somebody smacks Drew in the face, helmet-to-helmet contact, we don't get that. I said, "Pick your poison. All you had to do was choose one call."

• 32:59Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 33:00Speaker 02

  And that's on us for being in that position, fine, I guess. NFC Championship game. The following year, we play Minnesota at our house now. Kyle Rudolph pushes off, catches a tutty, that's the end of the game, and all you have to do is make the call, like, full extension, everybody knows that. And you feel gypped in some way. And at the same time, you look as a defensive player, you never let anybody else decide your game.

• 33:20Channing Crowder?

  Drew's gone. Like, that window's closed, right? Y'all ain't got nobody.

• 33:24Speaker 02

  Drew's window's closed? Yeah.

• 33:25Channing Crowder?

  No, y'all.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  Who's y'all?

• 33:27Channing Crowder?

  The Saints.

• 33:28Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 33:29Channing Crowder?

  Drew's gone, bro.

• 33:30Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 33:30Channing Crowder?

  You see the two quarterbacks that are in this game this week, top-tier quarterbacks, MVP candidates. Y'all ain't got no MVP candidates.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  Yet. There's always a future. You can't knock out tomorrow, we're just in today. Relax, take it easy.

• 33:44Channing Crowder?

  But those years of back-to-back-to-back-to-back, Drew Brees was the fueling force of that.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  Yes. Except we also won, what, nineteen? We won, what, seven games without him? The previous year, we won five games without him? We were slowly preparing for what was to happen. You can't tell me our defense isn't a championship-level defense. But now, you get a little bit of help.

• 34:06Ryan Clark?

  But you were that for years, Cam, and, you know, I played on defenses in Pittsburgh

• 34:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:11Ryan Clark?

  that were like that. But we were able to capitalize on those because whether it was Ben to make a play, Antonio Brown make a play, Santonio Holmes, we found ways to make those one or two plays offensively when you needed them. Now, you can't, you can't... account for what the officials do in those last two games you mentioned. But it's only so long you can have that Super Bowl caliber defense.

• 34:35Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 34:35Ryan Clark?

  And not cash in on it. And for a guy like you who's gonna be going into

• 34:39Speaker 02

  Year 13.

• 34:39Ryan Clark?

  The years of the teens, it's 13, yup, into year 13. Do you ever look back or how do you look back on those times and feel about not capitalizing on what Channing said? Was that window with Drew Brees?

• 34:53Speaker 02

  I mean, maybe I will when I'm in your position. Right now, you can't tell me the door ain't open. The moment we get somebody in, I'm not saying we're drafting anybody because if I draft somebody, I assume that we have to cultivate them. You get you a seasoned guy and this year is probably the year to do it. There's three or four quarterbacks you can be like, I could win today with right now. And I like that for me next year. Now, if we don't grab one of those three, one of three or four guys, I'll be calling you like, Hey, that window might be a little tighter. But right now, I'm fully optimistic.

• 35:21Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  I feel like if we make a play at a Aaron Rodgers, a Derek Carr, even a Jimmy Garoppolo. Let's see what happens if they, I was gonna say Trey Lance, but let's just be real, Brock Purdy, Torrey UCL, he's probably gonna be out for six to nine months. Trey Lance gonna get a shot. We still got shots at regardless of whatever. And there's quarterbacks this year that I think we can get.

• 35:45Fred Taylor?

  And then in 2020, you had this GOAT kind of descend from the heavens to Tampa in the NFC South.

• 35:52Speaker 02

  Tampa Brady?

• 35:53Fred Taylor?

  Right. And that even narrowed the window for you guys even more.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  We waxed him the first two times.

• 35:58Fred Taylor?

  You did, but you didn't win the South.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  We did. No, we did.

• 36:02Ryan Clark?

  They won the South.

• 36:02Fred Taylor?

  That's where it starts, this year, right?

• 36:04Ryan Clark?

  No, they won the South.

• 36:05Fred Taylor?

  No, this year Tampa came back and won it.

• 36:08Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, the year that Tampa won the Super Bowl, they beat him twice. Twice. They beat him bad one time.

• 36:12Fred Taylor?

  Are you really excited?

• 36:13Speaker 02

  With different quarterbacks.

• 36:15Fred Taylor?

  Are you really excited to see him retire?

• 36:17Speaker 02

  Who, Tom? Salute to him. Yeah, absolutely. But I also think that had we, you know, had some offense going at times and I really don't care who's against us. That being said, you can't fight what Tom Brady was doing.

• 36:32Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  He came into Tampa and won the Super Bowl the first year. Then they started going like that. We go on. If they start going like this and we start going like this, all I gotta do is do this.

• 36:44Speaker 02

  Slippery slope.

• 36:44Channing Crowder?

  And Sean Payton situation. He retires, but now he's the Denver Broncos head coach.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, he wanted a bigger market.

• 36:51Channing Crowder?

  That's really what it was.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  That's what I've always said.

• 36:54Channing Crowder?

  How is Denver a bigger market than New Orleans?

• 36:56Speaker 02

  Than New Orleans? Because New Orleans is like the 30, it's like ranked like the 30th in terms of marketability. Like, we're not up there.

• 37:03Channing Crowder?

  In terms of fan loyalty, we're tops. But in terms of exposure, no. But what did he need a bigger market for? Everybody respects Sean Payton in New Orleans.

• 37:13Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 37:15Channing Crowder?

  So what's the big why?

• 37:15Speaker 02

  I don't know, maybe he's done everything he could. He was there 2006 to whatever. Like, we can't all have the Mike Thomassons that's just like undyingly loyal to this Steelers fanbase.

• 37:23Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 37:24Speaker 02

  At some point, maybe Sean wanted more, you know what I'm saying? His kids, his kids fully grew up. One of his kids is at TCU. I thought he was going to a Texas team to be closer to his kid, honestly. I saw him in white and blue. And then Denver popped up and I was like, eh, okay.

• 37:40Channing Crowder?

  Oh, so no hard feelings that he left y'all?

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Left us.

• 37:44Channing Crowder?

  He left y'all. He decided to leave y'all under contract.

• 37:48Speaker 02

  You want me to start acting like the Detroit Lions running back? They're like, you know, they picked me up. The one that talks through his noses, the nasal one.

• 37:56Channing Crowder?

  Jamal.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  Jamal Williams. He went crazy this year, but like, he be throwing that cringe-worthy content out.

• 38:03Fred Taylor?

  Chan, you're asking these questions, but you're still on the other side of Deion leaving. It's the same thing, right?

• 38:10Channing Crowder?

  Deion leaving what, to HBCU?

• 38:12Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, leaving from there to go to...

• 38:13Channing Crowder?

  He left there because of lack of resource and all that stuff. I'm talking about Sean Payton decided to leave the Saints.

• 38:18Fred Taylor?

  Bigger market, under contract, the whole thing, right?

• 38:22Channing Crowder?

  What's that? But he was under contract, did not, he did, Red Fred. That's why I'm asking. He did not want to be with the Saints anymore, but he still wanted to coach an NFL team. I didn't know if a veteran, a team leader like himself, would look at that in a funny way. I would.

• 38:35Speaker 02

  I mean, luckily, he's an offensive-minded coach anyways, right? So like, I didn't have to deal with him daily. I only dealt with him on two occasions. We were doing really, really well. He was like, Cam, I got 50 plays. All of them are working. I'm like, yeah, Sha, you know, rock on. Or you, Cam, what the are we doing? Step it up. Hey, relax. I got this.

• 38:54Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 38:54Speaker 02

  And sometimes I'd be like, I'm gonna try and get this. You know, like, you didn't draft me anybody, so we got a whole lot of nobodies, but you did this. But, okay, I'll make this work. You know, but like, when you think about, you've been in that position, and you're like, we need more. What did you give me? What did you give me to squeeze more out of this? You know, so, you have this idea that, you know, Sean was like, oh, he runs everything. He runs the offense, and I don't have to deal with him. I deal with my DC. My DC is like AC to me. My D coordinator's the one you really deal with on a daily if your guy's a, you know. Now, now I have a head coach that's a defensive minded head coach, and now it feels different. Like, now, I'm like, yeah, I talk to him a lot. They're like, how's the DA? I talk to him like, once a week, for real, for real. Twice a week, more times than not.

• 39:38Speaker 02

  And it's like, I've never felt this included. I say, I don't like feeling this included. I don't like how personal this has gotten. He was like, Cam, how's the locker room? Hey, man. All right, all right, it's different, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 39:51Fred Taylor?

  That's a question I want to ask you. Really, the locker room in New Orleans, is Sean a micromanager? Because he just came on, they asked him about Russell Wilson's team, the assistants.

• 40:04Speaker 02

  I wouldn't say micromanager, I know exactly where he's going with this.

• 40:06Fred Taylor?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 40:07Speaker 02

  He's just old, he's old school. He's from that, you know, him, Belichick went under Parcells, right? They're of that system of like, hey, football's football. You know what I'm saying? Like, there isn't, there isn't, hey, like, he can be in front of the camera, but it's not like a, hey, we can all have our individual shows. Like, if I'm doing podcasts like I do now, like, he'd probably be like, 10 years ago? Oh, for shame. You know what I'm saying? Like, that span of, but he comes from that landscape where there wasn't social media like that. Where everybody can be their own person and still play football. He was like, you play football, and if you don't play football, it's a distraction. You know, like, that's where that Parcells level comes from. And, you know, you like it, you have to deal with it. I mean, that's like being a part of the Patriots.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  Like, you saw more personality from Tom Brady after he went to Tampa than you ever saw all 18 years over at... You know what I'm saying, and he was Tom Brady.

• 40:57Ryan Clark?

  Well, now he taking pictures in his drawers.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  I don't want to think about that.

• 41:00Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, that's... So, I mean, that's, that's the place we've moved into.

• 41:04Speaker 02

  Is that a thing? Wait, what do you mean by taking pictures in drawers?

• 41:07Ryan Clark?

  That's what Tom Brady did.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  I, I saw him kiss his kid and I had enough. I was like, hey, I'm good.

• 41:11Ryan Clark?

  It comes to an end for everybody. Like, everybody has their time. And, and some of the, the greats, like a Tom Brady, you get to choose when to walk away.

• 41:21Speaker 02

  Right. How, could have been last year, had, had, had media stopped leaking them things.

• 41:25Ryan Clark?

  Well, he, he wanted to beat Shefty, bro. Shefty beat him last year. This year, he announced it on the beach.

• 41:30Speaker 02

  Right, right after, right after.

• 41:31Ryan Clark?

  And you can buy the sand. You can buy the sand. For you, how, how do you look at, or how long do you think you'll continue to play? And what's the, what's the energy, or what's the importance of leaving with a championship for you?

• 41:48Speaker 02

  I've asked this question recently, because, you know, I'm year 12 and you can't play forever. And I asked, I asked Wifey, I was like, hey, what do you think about seven more years? And she's like, shit. I said, cool. She probably didn't say shit. She said shoot, but like, you know what I'm saying? I said shit. Um, so I was like, alright, cool. I was like, what do you think about five more years? She's like, five more years here? I said, oh, okay, so, so you're open to it? And then I asked myself, I was like, yo, do I still love this? There's not a moment in, I love all the practices, so I still have love for everything. The moment I feel like practice is a drag, the moment I feel like, damn, I gotta wake up and do this, that's when I'll be like, alright, we're on a very limited time basis.

• 42:30Speaker 02

  Right now, I'm in practice and I'm leading the charge juice-wise. Like, my energy level's so high, I'll be over like, let's go get it. And if I'm not at practice, I'll be like, yo, like, the, the boys are like, hey, man, practice was different today. If I'm still that driving force, we're good. I'm still on the sidelines, like, playing 75, 80% of the snaps. I'm trying to get back in the game. My coach is like, no, like, you've had too many snaps. I'm trying to, I'm trying to win. And unless somebody's doing what I'm doing on the field, leave me alone. If I'm still fighting for that, then I'm playing. The moment that it changes... Fred, how many years did you play?

• 43:03Fred Taylor?

  Thirteen.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  When did it become a, I don't feel like it?

• 43:06Fred Taylor?

  My last year in New England, just, you know, canvassing the entire practice like, like, I can do it, but I can't do it at that level. So, I'm gonna give it up.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  There's a performance drop off?

• 43:19Fred Taylor?

  Due to injuries. So, yeah.

• 43:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:22Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, so I was like, you know, fight, those challenges, fighting, you know, grinding, grinding, grinding, then you get out there and something happens, and now you gotta sit back and watch everybody else do their thing.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  It became less fun.

• 43:32Fred Taylor?

  It becomes frustrating, less fun. So, I was like, ah, I'm gonna call it a career. I could've continued to play.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, it wasn't politics, it wasn't anything, it was just like...

• 43:38Fred Taylor?

  Nah, nah, nah.

• 43:40Speaker 02

  I see, I mean...

• 43:40Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, but I think the, like, difference for, for me was, I used to do so much to get ready for games.

• 43:48Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 43:48Ryan Clark?

  The way I had to do treatment, the way I ate, the way I practiced, like, all of those things, and I was...

• 43:54Speaker 02

  You wasn't on that Ocho Cinco? You wasn't eating smack and McDonald's?

• 43:57Ryan Clark?

  Nah, hell no. I had that level of talent, right? And so, for me, it be, it became that the work it took me to get to Sunday, Sunday no longer made that week worth it. You know, like, what, what I was getting out of Sunday, whether it be emotionally, mentally, physically, whatever it was, it wasn't making that week worth it. And that's what retires people. Nobody, like, you'd never get to Sunday and having a game and go, you know what? I don't wanna do this no more. But then Monday, when you getting treatment and it's still 2 a.m. and you got needles from your ear to your ankle, you're like, I don't know. Or when you limping down the stairs to get to your barber on Saturday and you just gonna shoot it up on Sunday, you're like, I don't know. And so, those are different things, but you don't have those things.

• 44:38Ryan Clark?

  And so, my question to that is, does Cam Jordan ever become a player that goes to chase that championship, trying to find that right spot, comes, becomes a mercenary, much like we've seen Von Miller? Where you can still get money and still go deliver championships? Or is it about, I've been the Walter Payton Man of the Year here, I've been a captain here for all this time, I'm the all-time sack leader, all of these things, I want to finish my career here and bring a championship here, and if not, I'm okay with who I am from a career standpoint.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  The game we play, the physicality we bring to it. And just like the movies and anime I watch, I tell my, you know, I tell my boys, my teammates, every time I go to practice, I'm like, I don't know what y'all on today, but you know me, I bring these hands.

• 45:22Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 45:23Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? Like, and I play that way simply because I'm like, yo, this game, you've seen guys have non-contact injuries like OBJ at the Super Bowl the previous year. And that could be it for you. I have to be OK with saying, hey, if my shit ended today, would I be OK? Would I be upset about not having a Super Bowl? Yes, because other people quantify a Super Bowl as a Hall of Fame level stat.

• 45:44Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:45Speaker 02

  Where you could just be a part of the machine. You could be a cog in the machine, and you'd be like, I got a Super Bowl. OK. Well, that's fine. Like, really, but did you go off?

• 45:54Ryan Clark?

  Right, yeah.

• 45:54Speaker 02

  Stop. You know what I'm saying? Like, hey, I got four Super Bowls. Yeah, but who were you in those Super Bowls? Relax.

• 46:00Ryan Clark?

  It's the most important thing.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? Like, everybody gets like, oh, he's a Super Bowl champ. But were you that dude? Were you Aaron Donald, a Super Bowl champion? When I said, when he should have been MVP, and they gave it to wide receiver because offense looks good? Nah, relax. So if you was that guy, hey, man, I see you. But if you was just like, yeah, I got three Super Bowl rings, and I rode the coattails of XXXX. All right, well, keep on riding coattails. Get out of my face. But if you were a guy who had, in eight years, had 30 sacks and flaunts three or four Super Bowl rings, that's nothing notable. That's you were a guy, and you did your job. Good for you.

• 46:39Speaker 00

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• 48:24Channing Crowder?

  There's somebody on your mind, I'm not gonna ask. But uh... Come on. There's somebody you brought... It was two, it was two, it was two. Eight years, 37. It was somebody on your mind.

• 48:36Channing Crowder?

  But it's funny, you talk about the old school way of ball, how you, you know what I'm saying? The waters for weakness and all that stuff. That's gone. Gone. The physical side of it's gone. The boys are soft now. I got guys that are born in 2000 and the boys like, not saying they're painting your nails wrong, they come in different. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? The adjustment of an old school football guy like yourself. I'm not talking about the football side, the following the quarterbacks and all that stuff, that's ridiculous to me. Off the field, they exchanging jerseys. Yeah. The calling a guy pregame to talk with him. All that stuff that happened. I've never heard of that one. I've been retired 10 years already. What do you mean, calling who? Like somebody... Calling the team, the opponent. Laughing it up, chuckling it up.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  Before the game.

• 49:15Channing Crowder?

  Before the game.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  You never called your boys before the game?

• 49:17Channing Crowder?

  No.

• 49:18Speaker 02

  I can't wait to hit some of my boys. Like, when we were younger in the league and my boy Shane Marine was over at the Patriots, you know, Marv Jones over, you know, at Detroit, whatever it is, I'm calling them the whole week. Hey, I'm busting your shit. Hey, just know, if I see you in these flats, I'm lighting you up. We talking the whole time.

• 49:35Channing Crowder?

  But talking track, these boys now are pleasant, more pleasant. The jersey exchange. We play each other. You got into the jersey exchange?

• 49:42Speaker 02

  I had to.

• 49:43Channing Crowder?

  You don't have to, nothing, you a grown ass man.

• 49:45Ryan Clark?

  Well, he's gonna get into it though because people are gonna ask for his jersey.

• 49:49Channing Crowder?

  Then you say, "Leave me alone, little boy."

• 49:51Speaker 02

  See, but I felt, see, I was weird about it when I first got a (inaudible). I needed, I needed that Julius Peppers. I've been looking up Julius Peppers forever. I didn't step to him though until I was like five Pro Bowls in. You know what I'm saying? Like, there was like a level of accomplishment I had to feel like to step to Julius Peppers. Like, it was Pep. You know what I'm saying? UNC, basketball, football. Number one overall, you know, like, the, like, one of the greatest defensive ends of play. So, like, if I was gonna step, it was gonna be to a friend. It was gonna be like, yo, you know, Marv Jones, Eric Kendricks, Mike Kendricks, whoever it was, "Hey, bro, I want your jersey because I want your jersey." And it's a dope moment because you gonna be my guy for as long as we been boys. Now, if it's like these new, like, you know, some random kid that I don't know, I do it.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  Because I just think in my mind, I'm like, ah, future Scottie Pippen, can't let that happen.

• 50:40Channing Crowder?

  That don't have nothing to do with you, the future Scottie Pippen situation.

• 50:43Speaker 02

  Hey, I'm just saying, I'm like, ah, can't go to jail. I'd have to kill somebody, it couldn't be me.

• 50:48Ryan Clark?

  So, for you, in making that adjustment, you seem to be able to keep your style of play. Like you said, put the, put hands on folks when you go out there.

• 50:58Speaker 02

  God bless me to bless others, you know what I'm saying?

• 50:59Ryan Clark?

  God bless you to bless others. But you've also adjusted to the sort of new way these guys move personality-wise.

• 51:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:09Ryan Clark?

  When you see, when you think of yourself fitting into a locker room, being the captain and all those things, what's your push now or what drives you now to still be a part of that culture? Because the culture is what you miss when you leave, right? Being able to talk to dudes, being able to relate to guys. It got to the point to me where I truly was just the OG. You know where like everybody was coming to me for everything. I was trying to lead. I was hosting Bible study. Like that was my life. I didn't really, I went to Washington. I didn't really have my homeboys there anymore. How do you still relate to that locker room? And do you feel it's still that same type of joy from when you walked into it in 2011?

• 51:49Speaker 02

  Absolutely. I try, I tried to tell my young guys this year. I was like, yo, I'm giving you the keys. Like, take the keys, drive. They're like, yo, man, it's still you. Hate the keys. Like, I'm, I'm the man behind the boombox in the locker room. I'm, you know, if you need something, you come to me. And it funnels through me. And I'm like, nah. Funnel through this guy. He's gonna be the next guy.

• 52:08Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 52:08Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? Nah, Cam, you still got it. Dang it. Give me the keys. I'm driving. You know, but like, it's just a part of who I am, you know? Like, when it comes to just being yourself, that's what it is. I'm always gonna try and talk to my guys, because I'm trying to bring them together, because that's just the way we, we sort of grew up in it. If you see a guy who's like off to himself, you're supposed to talk to him. You're supposed to bring him in. The football field is the greatest aspect of team camaraderie, because it's not like basketball, where you can have one star. Like a star, he can carry the weight. You need, even if your quarterback is that dude, he still needs somebody else to, to be with him. If you, if you, if you're like that guy on defense, you can't just be that guy on, on the defensive line. You have to have a...

• 52:53Speaker 02

  Every Batman needs a Robin. And it's, it's that apparent. So, as long as there's a football team, we could talk about whatever. And now, like I said, now it's cartoons for you, it's anime. You know, whatever it is, there has to be like a common, commonality. These kids, like, when I grew up, you watched anime, and you shut the hell up about it. You didn't, you didn't just bring it to high school with you. Hey, man, I seen, hey, you saw the latest Yu-Gi-Oh? That boy was going crazy in Shyam King. Hey, Yu Yu Hakusho? He was going stupid today. No, you watch his show, and you shut the hell up. And you were like, Yeah, but that B E T L Uncut? And then you can find your common, just find your commonality. You know what I'm saying? Like, now these, these boys are out here crying over their, uh, the Yu-Gi-Oh cards, crying over Pokemon cards. I said, bro, we used to have binders of those.

• 53:34Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  You know, boys is like, you know, whatever, whatever the tease is. Again, like, you know, they, they rock handbags now, going to game day.

• 53:41Ryan Clark?

  Yeah. The cross body joint.

• 53:43Speaker 02

  Nah, in hand, Celine bags. And I said, oh, that's fashion now. Okay.

• 53:49Ryan Clark?

  Right. You just, you just...

• 53:51Speaker 02

  Hey, you know, I take my fanny pack and I sling it across the body. Fit in. Commonality. We get it, commonality.

• 53:58Fred Taylor?

  So you ever take the young boys and invite them to the crib for Christmas for onesie time?

• 54:03Speaker 02

  She's what?

• 54:04Fred Taylor?

  For onesie.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  That's a thing? That might be a running back thing.

• 54:07Fred Taylor?

  No, you're family, right?

• 54:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, my family, my family.

• 54:10Fred Taylor?

  You ever invite some of the young boys over?

• 54:12Speaker 02

  Not at all, not at all. No, no, no, no, that's an intimate ha ha he he moment with the fam. We go see a movie. I would never be like, hey, D-line. Come on through, I got three XL and two XL onesies for everybody. Nah.

• 54:25Fred Taylor?

  No?

• 54:26Speaker 02

  Nah. But I will be like, hey, me and the fam, we hitting this movie, I'm running out the movie theater. Come through, that's a slide. And I, we may be in onesies, but I'm not gonna force my onesies on anybody.

• 54:36Fred Taylor?

  So is it Nikki's idea?

• 54:38Speaker 02

  No, that's me.

• 54:39Fred Taylor?

  Yeah?

• 54:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like, I always wanted that, that pic, like that fun picture for the fam. And like, the onesies is lit. The zip front? Yeah, the big onesie. Feet might be out, but feet also might be covered, we got the hoodie, you know what I'm saying? Damn. Different, hey, different patterns, I pick those out every year.

• 54:55Fred Taylor?

  Two seventy?

• 54:55Speaker 02

  This year I didn't, and it didn't happen. I'm disappointed in, like, I say, yo, carry the torch. Torch dropped. It's back. That's on me.

• 55:02Ryan Clark?

  Whole house burns when the torch drops.

• 55:03Speaker 02

  You understand, whole house could burn.

• 55:05Ryan Clark?

  We started this show speaking about your father, your mother, and the way that they parented and led. And I think this kind of comes full circle now, which life does. You as the father.

• 55:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:18Ryan Clark?

  You as the husband. If we could get, if, if, if the Jordans had a reality show.

• 55:23Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 55:24Ryan Clark?

  How would we see?

• 55:25Speaker 02

  We've been approached about that like twice fam, that'll never happen. I have never seen a reality TV show with a couple ending well. And what we gonna do is last.

• 55:34Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 55:34Speaker 02

  If we, if we fall, if fail, it's gonna be because of us, it's not gonna be because others say, like, throwing their input in.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  If you threw the, the Jordan family in, you see a whole lot of squats, jumping jacks and, and pushups. Cause you know, this day and age, you gotta, you know, cultivate your kids a different way, right? You can't like, I grew up, I got my ass whooped and then I'd wake up, you know, you, you catch, you catch them licks and then you wake up.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  Oh. Okay, you know, you cry yourself asleep, it's a different type of sleep.

• 56:01Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  Now you, it's frowned upon, you know what I'm saying? So now we have other ways, we'll be in a restaurant, I'll be like, hey, man, you ain't listening. Dad, I'm sorry, alright, cool. The second time, hey, twenty-five squats.

• 56:12Ryan Clark?

  In the restaurant?

• 56:13Speaker 02

  I don't care where it's at.

• 56:15Speaker 02

  Dad, I'm embarrassed. It's on you.

• 56:18Speaker 02

  Wifey be like, "Look, stall them out." "Ain't no stall out." "Get that in." "Only thing I can't do is do pushups." "'Cause then she be like, "They on the, on the ground?" "Hey, they chose to make that mistake. Sit in it."

• 56:28Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 56:29Speaker 02

  That's all I'm saying, like, i- in terms of how we,

• 56:33Speaker 02

  how we like go about the kids, like, I think she is such a phenomenal mom that she like, really doesn't need me, I'm just sort of additive. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, she, she does such a great job. I'm like, I don't, like, she's the law, but I'm the enforcer. You know what I'm saying? Like, she be like, she'll, "Ah, they need help." "Guess what we doing today, guys? Wall squats, everybody. I'm coming in." "But I also gotta have the fun aspect, too." She be like, "Hey, I just need a minute." "Hey, we going outside. Guess what we doing today? We running fades. We running sevens." So, you know what I'm saying? Like, I get to come in and have fun with them. She's the, "Hey, we're gonna, uh, we're gonna, you know, dribble with the right. We're gonna dribble with the left." They got every coaching level at whatever they gonna do. I'm trying to create basketball players. She's like, "You gotta let them be." "But I only have one son, so I got one shot at this."

• 57:18Speaker 02

  "Hey, man, come be a lawyer. Come be a doctor." "Dad, I wanna hit somebody." "Ah." We've already done that. Like, we've, we've already done that as a Jordan squad. Like, let's, let's do something else. "What about these hoops, though? Can I hit somebody?" "Ah."

• 57:32Channing Crowder?

  I just heard you say you sent him on nine and seven routes. Your daddy sent you on nine and seven routes.

• 57:38Speaker 02

  Facts.

• 57:38Channing Crowder?

  You might be doing more of your daddy than you really wanna give it credit for.

• 57:41Speaker 02

  But I don't wanna set up, I don't wanna set up a hitting dummy for a seven-year-old and go smack him. Again, again, wrong form.

• 57:47Channing Crowder?

  Gotta get it. Rap and roll.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  No. Maybe when he's 13. Like, when'd you start playing football?

• 57:52Channing Crowder?

  I was there 12, 13.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 57:54Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  Four? And he was burnt out by 30?

• 57:58Ryan Clark?

  Never burnt out. I played till I was 35. My body eventually told me it was time. I loved it and, like, I cultivated great atmospheres of teams my entire life, 'cause that's who I was. Like, that was, it was all I ever did. You know, and so for me, it wasn't about ever being burned out on something that God gave me as a passion. I think I wanna end here. I read this whole thing, too, in coming into this show. "Your father wrote you a letter for your 200th game."

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 58:29Ryan Clark?

  And, uh, and I, I read through it, and it was just a, a great insight into... Kind of how he he saw you and I couldn't imagine having like that like fathers talk and not not all fathers are very expressive about their feelings or let you know what they think is great about you but in throughout reading that you could tell he felt like he and your mom raised a great man. When you get an opportunity to look at that and think Lil Cam who played three three plays in his first you know game as an eighth grader is now was now going into his 200th game is now become the all time sacks leader can is going to be a Hall of Famer.

• 59:10Ryan Clark?

  And you get an opportunity to read those things about yourself. What did that make you feel?

• 59:16Speaker 02

  Man, honestly, I didn't even see when it came out. He texted me like, hey, man, did you see the letter? I was like, what letter? Because you know, it was just like you all that media during season, you you can't you can't filter through all of it, right? And so he I was like, dang, let me go look. I I read it and I was over there like, alright, so at least I'm not going down the wrong path. Like, we're we're doing something positive. Anything I was just like, hey, man. But I've never had to worry about affirmations of love from my parents. You know, my mom, my mom will go out the way be like, hey, baby, just called to call. And I'm saying like, you know, pops pops before games would be like, if he can get a hold of me because I know what he's calling for, I'll be it'll literally be like on the drive to the stadium when you're already locked in.

• 59:57Speaker 02

  Hey, man, want to run a couple of things by you? And oh, by the way, I got you prayed up. Lord, he just wants to bless you while you're headed into you. So like, you know, you you catch him like, daddy, I can't can't deal with with this this bill that you trying to drop on me right now. They they came to my house about whatever it is, but alright, cool, let's go through the prayer. So you like. But he always, you know, he's always ended because I think when he was growing up, he had he he had two teachers and they just like showed you love and they were like super old school black. You know what I'm saying? Like the both of them were one was a English teacher, one was a science teacher, but when they had their kids, they were like 40 something. So they've gone through a whole life of tribulations, whatever it is.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  So they grew up in a in a very like, let me show you I love you by providing for you type family. Whereas I grew up with two parents that were very, I'm gonna tell you I love you as well as show you I love you. And if you step out of line, I'm whooping you because I love you. So I grew up completely different. And so I read the I read the note and it's just it's just another affirmation. It's another like, alright, cool. So I'm not doing them a disservice. Because the the man Anita raised, the the man Steve raised, you know, they came together and I call myself the perfect child because I'm the middle child. You know what I'm saying, so I'm not off the path. You know, the second child is always the best. It just is what it is.

• 1:01:10Channing Crowder?

  Cam, listening to a man and knowing your personality, outspoken, you know, very rambunctious, just loud.

• 1:01:16Speaker 02

  Highly sarcastic.

• 1:01:17Channing Crowder?

  Say loud, sarcastic, but you know what I'm saying, the life of the party. You had the perfect life, bro.

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  The perfect child.

• 1:01:25Channing Crowder?

  But no, no, like, to be honest, mom and dad.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:28Channing Crowder?

  Pushing you, there with you, interaction with both of them.

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:01:31Channing Crowder?

  College degree.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:32Channing Crowder?

  Go to college, ball out, get your first round.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  High school G D.

• 1:01:35Channing Crowder?

  High school always.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  We left at three and a half.

• 1:01:39Channing Crowder?

  You went to the senior bowl and ain't got a degree?

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  Hey, I feel like.

• 1:01:42Channing Crowder?

  You was bullshitting.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  I felt like, yeah, I was targeting four years. I still got like four classes left. I chose the streets, the streets didn't choose me. I made my path.

• 1:01:50Channing Crowder?

  So yeah, so you chose the street. First round pick, rolling out. You say like trials or tribulations. You had none. Am I wrong by that? Cause it doesn't sound like it.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  Boy had it, that boy smooth had a DUI. I gave myself, I gave my, it was self hindering problems.

• 1:02:06Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  Headed into my sophomore year, I, I got a DUI. Cause it was, it was just like you said, life was going too good. Like you, you know what I'm saying? Like you, you seen that, that Ricky Bobby, Talladega Nights? Dad was sitting there with the family and like, ah, it's going too good. It ends up like, I'm gonna screw this shit up. That's what it was like. I was like, yo, like, I'm, I'm sliding to start. I've got this going for me. I've got this going. I can't, I'm untouchable. I had a life altering and humbling moment. I'd like, you know, got in the car, took off, off duty cop pulls me over. I go to jail that night, you know, I go to a holding cell. There's a cat in the holding cell. I'm over here like big dogging. Now I'm like, what's up? You trying to run this fade or no? Buddy's drunk, probably as drunk as I am, like, just like.

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  They get put it crazy here. I'm over here bucked up. Come out that, that next day and like, it was literally after. Headed into sophomore year, we about to play Michigan State, beat the hell out of Kirk Cousins and whoever, who in their team. It was a spring game. It was that summer, there was that summer game. So the coach gives you the speech, hey, don't anything, don't do anything to hurt your team, hurt yourself, yada, yada, yada. And I was that guy, right? So the next day I had to come in. Meanwhile, my dad is there for the game. And I just got an apartment. So I, I, I like get out of the holding cell jail, whatever it is. I run to the crib. It's probably like a mile and a half out. Went to the crib. I'm getting into the house. Pops pulls up. And like I've got nothing in this apartment, right? It's me, two roommates, because we live in Cal. Rent's astronomically high. We're trying to figure that shit out.

• 1:03:31Speaker 02

  I let him suit the whole place, right? Like, hey, dresser, TV, whatever it is, I got a, I got a bed. And he was like, you gotta figure out, you know, X. Like all the amenities, I'm gonna give you what you need. I had to hit him with the, Dad, I became a statistic last night. And that's how I started off. I was, he's like, what you talking about? Got a DUI, yada, yada, yada. So, car gets taken back, lawyer fees come in. He's like, you gotta figure this shit out. You gotta become a man, because you're acting like a boy. Oh, by the way, you gotta call your mom. No, no, no, I told you, brother, so you can tell your wife. Y'all live together, do this for me. It was a moment where you can't take life for granted. And literally, I was like, alright, well shit, I gotta figure this out. So I had to get a job. I had to, I had to be a bouncer at night, because you're a football player. You're going to school, you're doing whatever. I created stressors in my life.

• 1:04:13Speaker 02

  And I said, if I can get out of my own way, shit, where can we go? Went from there. Just don't get in your own way.

• 1:04:20Fred Taylor?

  For a city that's gone through as much as New Orleans has gone through, they, they, they tend to always have someone as the face of their sport organizations that sort of take the lead to, to, you know, carry the city. You have so much on your plate. You're the sole face of the New Orleans Saints. I can't think of any other player.

• 1:04:41Speaker 02

  Alvin Kamara, that's what I defied.

• 1:04:43Fred Taylor?

  I mean, AK, my guy, but as, in terms of the face.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:47Fred Taylor?

  You know? When your time is up in New Orleans, what, what, what's your legacy? Like, what do you want to leave on that city?

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  1% rule. A 1% rule, I'm always trying to be better than I was yesterday, by at least 1%. This idea that I'm a face of the city, I can tell you if I am or not. The way I play, I can tell you how hard I play, I just know that I give it my all in every play. So whatever I do, I give it 100%. And whatever I gave yesterday, I try and give more today. Because I think about what I've given or what I've done. But there's always reserves. There's always something you can do more. Like, man, I talked to 20 kids today. Had I talked to 21, I could have helped somebody else in that, in that aspect. I talked to, you know, I helped two teammates out today. If I would have helped, you know, my safety understand that I got B gap, and he's got a just free flow into the C gap, how much better could we be as a defense? There's always something you could do more, right? So I try not to live in regret.

• 1:05:40Speaker 02

  I try to live in, in the aspect of I'm trying to do better than I did yesterday. And that goes to all forms of life. If you look at my legacy, just know that I've given everything I could. And if I'd never play football again today, I'm cool with it. I could sit back and say, yo, I'm gonna talk to my son, I'm gonna talk to my daughters, and be like, your daddy was cold. But also, if you eliminate some of the distractions, like my early years of going out burning the candle on both ends, you know, you eliminate some of those distractions of feeling like the need to fit in, whether that be chains, watches, girls, cars, houses, whatever it is, you eliminate the distractions of even family. Of when you get money, because lord knows, when you get money, they think they got money.

• 1:06:25Speaker 02

  Eliminate those distractions early, and you can propel yourself so much further than it was. So if you say legacy, just know that whatever I've given, I've given all that I could.

• 1:06:34Ryan Clark?

  Well, from the pivot, man, Steve and Anita's son is making them extremely proud, bro. You have become all the things I believe they wanted to instill in you, and also from your self-imposed adversity, you've come out on the other side of that as a father who cares, as a husband who tries to understand, and as one of the greatest players in the organization of a team in my hometown, who at times were not an organization as all, man. So we appreciate you sitting with us, dawg. That was dope.

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  Yes, sir. Appreciate y'all having me on, man.

• 1:07:08Speaker 02

  I've been waiting on my call, bro.

• 1:07:09Ryan Clark?

  Hey, that dawg said, that boy said, I became a statistic.

• 1:07:14Speaker 02

  I'm like, how do you tell your daddy who you are, fam? Like, I gotta look this man in the eye, like, ay, ay, ay.

• 1:07:19Ryan Clark?

  I got a trunk last night.

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:07:21Ryan Clark?

  He like, Pop, they got me.

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  I was like, ay, straight up, I became a statistic last night. Like, you gotta understand, Pop's an engineer, he's a numbers guy. I can't be like, ay, daddy, they got me. A man got no sympathy for me.

• 1:07:33Ryan Clark?

  None.

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