KHC 213 - Grand Teton Picnic Recap

Join Cam and James for a conversation about completing the Picnic and the struggles and growths that came with it, more on Cam’s recent sheep hunt, and more! The Grand Teton "Picnic" is an unofficial, self-supported human-powered endurance challenge and mountain triathlon that requires participants to bike, swim, and climb from Jackson, Wyoming, to the summit of the Grand Teton and back. Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00 – On the list & Sheep Hunt Film Update 00:07:06 – James’ Level-Up in Fitness & What the Picnic is 00:11:32 – Doubts Going into the Picnic 00:13:55 – Problems at the Summit 00:20:13 – Swimming Across Lake Jenny 00:27:10 – Thankful for the People Who Helped Make it Possible 00:32:10 – A Tribute to James Friend Ben 00:36:40 – James’ Next Goal, Hardships of the Sheep Hunt & Tanner’s Moose Hunt 00:40:56 – Upcoming Colorado Mule Deer Hunt 00:43:16 – Mississippi Mudslide 00:47:33 – Iron Cowboy’s Criticism on Matt Johnson’s Project7 00:52:18 – Pushing Through Quitting When it Gets Hard 00:59:21 – Lindsey Clancy Case Thoughts 01:01:31 – Elk Season and Kam Canaday’s Bull 01:03:58 – Final Thoughts Thank you to our sponsors: Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM for 10% off optics Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 10% your order Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 15% off LMNT: Visit https://drinklmnt.com/cam for a free sample pack with any purchase Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off

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• 0:15Speaker 00

  We're live.

• 0:16Cameron Hanes?

  Fucking camera 17.

• 0:18Speaker 00

  And 19.

• 0:19Cameron Hanes?

  And 19. We got them all. Is 23 on?

• 0:23Speaker 00

  Oh, let me turn that on real quick. Okay.

• 0:26Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, got it. Good. This is not Shit Talkers Weekly. This, what is?

• 0:31Speaker 00

  We could still call it Shit Talkers.

• 0:32Cameron Hanes?

  We could.

• 0:33Speaker 00

  Can't we?

• 0:34Cameron Hanes?

  I, I think we call it Picnic Talkers Weekly.

• 0:38Speaker 00

  Oh, Lord.

• 0:39Cameron Hanes?

  So we have a few to do, like, on the, on the honey do's. We gotta talk about your picnic.

• 0:46Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 0:47Cameron Hanes?

  So that was a big, I, the reason why I want to talk about it now, for sure, is because after seeing, like, how good a shape you were in afterwards, like, going into this hunt. So, yeah, so, I mean, you did, you made some big changes. So let's like, we'll catch everybody up. So this will be like a shit talkers, but we're also going to talk about your, your big event that you did, self-supported, the picnic, or maybe you like had help. But anyway, we don't want you to get canceled by saying it's self-supported when it's not.

• 1:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, careful.

• 1:20Cameron Hanes?

  People are, Sage would be all over your ass.

• 1:23Speaker 00

  I'm gonna get reported to WADA.

• 1:27Speaker 00

  WADA, you drag these balls.

• 1:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, exactly. But we don't say that anymore because we are.

• 1:34Speaker 00

  Changed.

• 1:35Cameron Hanes?

  Changed people.

• 1:36Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:36Cameron Hanes?

  Um, so, yeah.

• 1:39Speaker 00

  What else was on our list?

• 1:40Cameron Hanes?

  I, list?

• 1:42Speaker 00

  You said we had a couple honey do's.

• 1:44Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, well, you always have the honey do list.

• 1:46Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:47Cameron Hanes?

  I did talk to Rihanna today.

• 1:49Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 1:50Cameron Hanes?

  Asked her if she's quitting or working, or what are we, what are we doing? So, um, yeah, she's gonna work. So that's good. Um, yeah, how's, uh, so tell me the timeline, because I've got so many fucking questions on this film, including from Joe.

• 2:08Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 2:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So what, like, what would you, what's your timeline?

• 2:13Speaker 00

  I think, I think realistically, I mean, October is also a slow month after hunting season, and I'm not going with you on this first hunt at least. So.

• 2:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 2:24Speaker 00

  I mean, once you get back, I think we could get a version done, so we can have review for like, we know what's going on, beginning of October. And then, like we talked about, maybe that's when we see that and we say, okay, we need to film these extra little scenes.

• 2:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 2:40Speaker 00

  Some cutaways, so that it's more than just a hunting film. And after that, I mean, I feel like end of October would be realistic.

• 2:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, okay.

• 2:46Speaker 00

  So I know I've seen a bunch of comments of like, when's the film? I'm like, holy shit, guys.

• 2:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know.

• 2:51Speaker 00

  But I've started sorting footage and.

• 2:53Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, have you? Good.

• 2:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's, I've just been watching through it and, uh, God, just going back through and like,

• 3:02Speaker 00

  like, the beginning of the hunt and knowing, or not, kind of knowing that I was ignorant of what was to come.

• 3:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 3:08Speaker 00

  And then knowing how hard it was. I was like, I do not want to be right back there again.

• 3:11Cameron Hanes?

  I know. Yeah, I think, uh, I think it would be good. So I, I always wanted somebody to do this. And I don't know if we ever did it, but, and I think I told Tanner this, but to watch every second of footage, just so you know what's in there.

• 3:28Speaker 00

  That's what I'm doing.

• 3:29Cameron Hanes?

  Because sometimes we forget.

• 3:30Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 3:30Cameron Hanes?

  We, like, sometimes I'll watch stuff and I'll be like, oh, fuck, I totally forgot all about that.

• 3:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:36Cameron Hanes?

  But since we have it, I think to start and maybe make notes on like the strongest things.

• 3:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, so I am going through every second and then categorizing them into different folders. So it's like, I know where to pull from, what days, things like that. So, um, in case it does, the, the film gets like a little nonlinear for the chronological order, or jumping, it's easy to go and pull, okay, I need this from this day, that kind of thing. So.

• 4:03Cameron Hanes?

  That's good.

• 4:03Speaker 00

  It'll make my life easier in the long run. It might take a little longer in the beginning, but it'll be worth it with all the footage we have. So.

• 4:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, because I think that's what kind of got us on the, uh, Cocodona is, I think.

• 4:18Speaker 00

  You mean the first one?

• 4:20Cameron Hanes?

  Uh, yeah.

• 4:20Speaker 00

  Broken? Yeah.

• 4:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. Because I think we missed a lot of good stuff, or like, we had multiple people filming and then didn't know what was in there, because, oh, Brandlin was filming too.

• 4:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 4:31Speaker 00

  The editor hated me.

• 4:33Cameron Hanes?

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• 7:30Cameron Hanes?

  five or 10 times harder. I mean, not even in the same ballpark.

• 7:33Speaker 00

  No.

• 7:34Cameron Hanes?

  And so to, to say that you like leveled up or whatever, which kind of a gay term, but, uh, to say that you leveled up your fitness from last year to this year would be like the biggest understatement ever. And you, you went this year, you did 100K, you did a 62 mile race, which is usually, that's a good sign. But then you also did your picnic, which was a, like a 17 hour day or something?

• 8:00Speaker 00

  19 and a half.

• 8:01Cameron Hanes?

  19 and a half hour day. But to me, that just, so I want you to explain what that entailed, and then I think it'll be clear, you know, how much work you put in preparing your body.

• 8:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, I do want to start and say that I had a chip on my shoulder from Wenahaw last year, because anytime anybody asked you about it, you would just go, James?

• 8:24Speaker 00

  Which is totally fair, right? My only answer could be, well, I got my ass kicked. So I was like, I don't want that to be the fucking answer to the question this time.

• 8:32Cameron Hanes?

  Right, yeah.

• 8:33Speaker 00

  You know? And, and granted, like, maybe it wasn't that I wanted it to be the answer to the question this time. I just didn't want it to be the answer to the question ever again.

• 8:40Cameron Hanes?

  Now, right, yeah.

• 8:41Speaker 00

  So, um, yeah, so the picnic is.

• 8:46Speaker 00

  A mountain triathlon, you call them picnics, people that do them. It's not an actual event. It's not like you start at a start line with a hundred other people. It's just something you do in the mountains, in the Grand Tetons. You bike 23 miles from the town square of Jackson. You start at the little antler arch there.

• 9:05Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:06Speaker 00

  And

• 9:06Cameron Hanes?

  Everybody knows that place.

• 9:07Speaker 00

  You bike 23 miles to the edge of Jenny Lake and you swim 1.3 miles across Jenny Lake. It's not 1.3. It's like almost one and three quarters.

• 9:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 9:19Speaker 00

  And then you, from there, run 10 miles to summit the grand with 7,000 feet of gain. And then do it all again on your way back to town.

• 9:28Cameron Hanes?

  It's a big day.

• 9:29Speaker 00

  It is a big day. Um, you know, it's

• 9:34Speaker 00

  the, the hardest part is obviously the run. That's 20 miles. And you're not seeing anybody for 20 miles. So, you know, you gotta carry everything on your back. Unless you're me and forget it all up the lake, but yeah.

• 9:46Cameron Hanes?

  Where, where did this idea come from?

• 9:48Speaker 00

  So this came, I think, five years ago. I had done the Grand Teton. Just did the full XM route, which is like climbing. You do it roped up. It's a little bit harder than the route I did. But we took two days to do it. And I remember there was a guy up there who did the grand in a day and he was in flip flops.

• 10:07Cameron Hanes?

  Ooh.

• 10:07Speaker 00

  And I was like, that guy's a stud. And I couldn't fathom doing it in a day. I was like, fuck, you gotta, what kind of shape do you have to be in to do that?

• 10:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 10:14Speaker 00

  And then I learned about the Grand Teton picnic, which was the grand in a day plus extracurriculars. And me being delusional at the time was like, I'm gonna do that.

• 10:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 10:25Speaker 00

  And so I told a buddy and I was like, you should do it with me. And he's like, yeah, let's do it. And then two weeks go by and he texts me at like 2:00 AM and he's like, I've just been up all night thinking about the picnic and how stupid it is. And there's real risk involved and you're an idiot and like, you're not, that's you, it requires real fitness. You can't just go do it. And I was like, alright.

• 10:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 10:44Speaker 00

  And in a way he was right because I didn't do it. That year came and went and, and then over the years I kind of forgot about it. And it wasn't until last October, we were, I got thrown in hot water because I was giving Coda Run shit for Couch to Coca-Cola.

• 10:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 10:59Speaker 00

  And I said, alright, I'll, uh, I'll put my money where my mouth is and, and claim that I'm gonna do a goal that I know is so far outside of my reach at the moment. And you guys can hate on me if I fail.

• 11:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 11:12Speaker 00

  So that's what I did. And I, and I think in that episode too, I said, uh, or maybe it was a couple of episodes later I did, I said, make goals that scare you.

• 11:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 11:21Speaker 00

  And it really did. I mean, the amount of anxiety I had over this for the longest time was brutal.

• 11:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 11:29Speaker 00

  Uh, all the way up until the start, you know, I, I, what sucked is I did that 100K. It was good. It was fine. You know, I did it in under, uh, I think it was like 14 and a half hours, decent time.

• 11:43Speaker 00

  But I never felt like I had done enough the whole time. All I like, I, I thought I had people coming to support me, flying to a different state, showing up just to watch me fail on the picnic. And it was a shitty feeling.

• 11:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 11:58Speaker 00

  You know, I like had a couple of other people that wanted to come and I ended up telling them, don't, like, don't waste your time. Go do something better. Uh, just because I thought I was gonna fail. But yeah, anyways, that's where I, that's where I thought of it. I just happened to come across somebody doing it online after I'd done the, the Tetons. So.

• 12:14Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 12:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I know at the time, I don't know, I think quite a few people have done it now, but it was like, this is the real mountain test.

• 12:23Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, really?

• 12:23Speaker 00

  Yeah. You want a full day of the mountains powered by human.

• 12:28Speaker 00

  What propulsion, that's what you do. So.

• 12:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Well, yeah, knocked it out. I don't know why you just didn't quit early though.

• 12:37Speaker 00

  Dude, I should have. It was, yeah, I mean.

• 12:40Cameron Hanes?

  You could still say you did it. It doesn't matter.

• 12:45Speaker 00

  Maybe we could just move the finish line up.

• 12:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. No, just kidding.

• 12:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, the, the three days before were like, you know, you talked about this with Coca-Cola. It's like you're laying at bed at night.

• 12:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 12:58Speaker 00

  Not sleeping, wondering what the fuck you're doing here. Well, I had that for the three nights before. I think I got five hours total with maybe an hour of actual sleep the night before.

• 13:07Cameron Hanes?

  Oh. That's rough.

• 13:09Speaker 00

  And I was on my feet all day the day before. And I'm like,

• 13:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 13:13Speaker 00

  Not, not only did I already not believe I was gonna be able to do it, but now I've just really cemented that.

• 13:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 13:19Speaker 00

  And I started it like,

• 13:23Speaker 00

  I mean, I, I started it just thinking of ideas of how I was gonna tell people why, why I gave up.

• 13:30Cameron Hanes?

  You failed.

• 13:30Speaker 00

  Why I failed.

• 13:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 13:33Cameron Hanes?

  It's not a good start.

• 13:34Speaker 00

  No.

• 13:36Speaker 00

  And all the people that sacrificed all this time, I'm like, what am I gonna tell them?

• 13:40Cameron Hanes?

  It better be a really good one for them.

• 13:42Speaker 00

  I mean, seriously, it's like, they're willing to sacrifice and I didn't put the work in to make sure I could finish it.

• 13:47Cameron Hanes?

  I know. That's a, that, that does suck. When you, I mean, cause you, it's your idea.

• 13:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:52Cameron Hanes?

  You gotta at least fucking be sure. I mean, but there's a couple of key parts that I want you to talk about, like, the, the summit, that sounds like a pretty sketchy part and somebody like kind of bailed you out up there. And then also that the swimming across on the return where the water got choppy. So it was like these, a few like

• 14:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:13Cameron Hanes?

  sketchy times.

• 14:14Speaker 00

  So I'll, I'll start by saying the, the other feeling I had leading up to this is, and it was a really weird one, but I felt like I was marching towards my death. Like my choices that day were either to fail or die. And, and not in like a macho way. Um, not like I'm gonna stay out there till I die. It was like, I, I don't know. It was just this feeling that maybe infested in my mind, my thought process, but I really just was like, if I go for this, I'm gonna die. I, I didn't plan, I didn't bring any ropes. There was nobody with me and all I had were my trail shoes. And, uh, surprisingly, the, the bike, the swim in the first couple of miles of the run went really well. And I, and I found myself kind of staring up at this

• 14:58Speaker 00

  section that I had to weave my way through. And I ended up finding these people and I saw that they had kind of wiggled through this keyhole and I was like, I'll just follow them. And then, uh, I made some jokes at them. They're like, we can go ahead of you. And I was like, or they said, yeah, you go ahead, go ahead in front of us. And I said, no.

• 15:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 15:15Speaker 00

  It's like, I'm fine. I'll stay back here. And, uh, we made our way up and still I'm thinking, okay, I'll be able to get up, but on the way down, I'm gonna fall. And, uh, I was like, if I, if I have my legs under me, I have to go for the summit. And we got to this section, the upper saddle. And from, from this area, you don't need ropes yet. There's some like sketchy scrambling, but nothing too technical yet. And, uh, they were like, let's check weather because I guess thunder and lightning was supposed to be moving in rain. And they're all like, the half of the group was like, I'm not playing with this. It's not that important to me. We're gonna bail. And so as they're bailing, I'm like, hey, what are the odds?

• 16:00Speaker 00

  I could use one of your guys' harnesses and rappel off the top. And without a thought, they were like, no problem.

• 16:07Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, nice.

• 16:08Speaker 00

  Guy took off his harness, uh, gave it to me. And, um, yeah, I mean, the,

• 16:17Speaker 00

  that was like the first moment during this day that I was like, I started to have this realization that was all these things I've tried to do, I've always put the weight on my back. And, and kind of in a selfish way, been like, I'm the one that does this. You know, it comes down to me. I've trained alone. I've done all this. And this was the first time that day that I was like, you idiot, it's not just you. Look at all these people that have shown up for you and you're still willing to look the other way and act like

• 16:49Speaker 00

  it's you.

• 16:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 16:50Speaker 00

  And not only that, but look at the people that have been put in your path when you thought you were marching to your death. Look at the scenario you found yourself in. What are the odds you find a group? And half of them bail and one of them is willing to give you their harness. It's

• 17:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's pretty rare.

• 17:08Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, it's just, it's not coincidence, right?

• 17:10Cameron Hanes?

  No, for sure.

• 17:12Speaker 00

  Anyway, so yeah, there's this huge weight lifted off my shoulders. And, and for the people that don't know, this section of the grand, the, the route, Owen Spalding is like 5'4". So there's some technical actual climbing moves. They're not hard. It's not like it's the hardest climbing. And that's why I felt like I was gonna fall to my death. I just had this weird feeling, but there's like a couple of sections where you're really climbing and you've got 2,000 feet of air beneath you. So a lot of exposure.

• 17:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 17:40Speaker 00

  And with climbing shoes, it's not that bad, but with the shitty hokas I had.

• 17:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 17:46Speaker 00

  It was, uh, the, the rock was wet. I slipped a couple of times. There's no way I'm down climbing that safely. So they offered me a harness. We ran up to the top and, uh, we got the summit and man, standing on top of that, when I thought all day, there was no way I was gonna stand on the top without dying, for lack of a better word, was, it was a surreal feeling.

• 18:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 18:11Speaker 00

  I mean, I don't know. I don't, I don't really know how to describe it because I knew once I was standing on the top, I knew there's absolutely no way I'm quitting. You know, I, I felt decent. The problem was, like I said,

• 18:28Speaker 00

  I forgot about a thousand calories on the, on the lake shore. And then on top of that, there's two spots to get water on the way up, two spots on the water way to get down. And, uh, I had packed like eight water refill carbs. Anyway, so I'm like probably 1,400 calories short.

• 18:51Cameron Hanes?

  That doesn't help.

• 18:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was bonking before the summit. So, um, but yeah, anyway, so get to the top and yeah, I mean, I, I wish.

• 19:07Speaker 00

  I wish that uh, I wish that I would have had maybe a little more,

• 19:15Speaker 00

  not so much pride invested in being okay with quitting because I think about like not running into that group and I like to think about that I would have said no, but yeah, I don't know. And I wasn't offered that, that option. Instead, I was offered something that I probably didn't deserve for my, my selfish endeavor, but.

• 19:36Cameron Hanes?

  Well, you, you were, you would have been offered, you would have had to make the decision to say, no, I'm not prepared. So it was offered, I guess, in some way.

• 19:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. I mean.

• 19:46Cameron Hanes?

  But it's a tough decision.

• 19:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, I was backed into a corner where I, my only option was to, to get help from those people, but um, yeah, it was cool. On the top, everyone was like, the, the group I was with, I told them I was doing the picnic and everyone on the top was like, all right, this guy's doing the picnic. He's the first one off the mountain. We gotta get him down to the run. Like everyone was working with me to get me off the mountain quick. It was super cool.

• 20:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's, that's great.

• 20:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. So anyways, come down off the top. Uh, I was, like I said, already bonking. So I was hurting really bad and make my way down to the lake. This is another thing and Mark Dowell just talked about this on Theo Von, Theo Von's podcast. He said, uh, there's always a moment in every race, every backyard he's done where he feels like he has to cry.

• 20:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 00

  And, uh, I've felt that I never have cried, but I felt like an emotional buildup in other races. But this day was like, there wasn't a moment I wasn't smiling after that.

• 20:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 20:43Speaker 00

  You know, when it really started to hurt, I was like so happy, so grateful I'd gotten the summit. Before that, I wasn't even thinking about crying. I was just like so worried.

• 20:51Cameron Hanes?

  There's a lot of work to do still.

• 20:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly. But coming down, I had a huge smile on my face. My knee was all blown up from the descent. I could barely run, but it was just like, man, what a perfect day in the mountains.

• 21:02Cameron Hanes?

  You're gonna finish it. You knew that.

• 21:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:04Cameron Hanes?

  At that time.

• 21:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. And so I get down to the lake. I had texted Brooke. I said, uh, cause she knew I forgot my, my calories and I just said, I need a McDonald's cheeseburger.

• 21:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 21:18Speaker 00

  If you guys can bring me one thing before I swim and I get down there and she's like, well, do you want to wait to eat it? And I'm like, fuck no, give me that thing.

• 21:26Cameron Hanes?

  You have to wait 30 minutes after you eat before you swim.

• 21:29Speaker 00

  Right. So I slammed a McDonald's cheeseburger.

• 21:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 21:35Cameron Hanes?

  Did it help?

• 21:35Speaker 00

  Best cheeseburger I've ever had.

• 21:37Cameron Hanes?

  Wait, better than, wait, what's our, where do we go? Five Guy or In-N-Out? Yeah.

• 21:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Better?

• 21:44Speaker 00

  Better than In-N-Out.

• 21:45Cameron Hanes?

  Whoa.

• 21:47Speaker 00

  Yes. I got in the water and the thing is like, most people, that second swim is the, the crux. It's like cold water. You're tired. Your body is having a hard time staying warm. But uh, that I didn't really fight any of those things. Instead, I got about halfway across and uh, the huge squall picked up, big wind, white cap waves. I've still got, I, it was probably a little less than half. I still had a mile left to swim and my girlfriend and her dad were in a kayak and uh, they were like, we can't be out here. Like we're going to tip over. So they went in and that's when it came back was like this feeling. It was like, okay, you cheated death on

• 22:32Speaker 00

  top.

• 22:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 22:33Speaker 00

  Here it comes for you. Uh, it was like, you know, when you swim, you breathe and you want to breathe to both sides. I couldn't breathe to my right because I was just sucking down water. And then even like this was like white caps coming over. I'm sucking down water and uh, but the problem was, is like, you can't stop.

• 22:54Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 22:55Speaker 00

  You have no choice but to just like, keep swimming. And so that's what I did. I just put my head down and I swam and I wanted to look up so bad, but I was like, you swim until you touch bottom.

• 23:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 23:08Speaker 00

  And that's what I did. Uh, it, it didn't seem, I mean, it was again, like the whole time I'm thinking like, you think you're hot shit. Like death doesn't care.

• 23:20Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 23:21Speaker 00

  So it was a, that was another surreal feeling. And once I got out of the water there, it was like, I mean, that, that last bike ride was supposed to be a victory lap.

• 23:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 23:32Speaker 00

  But that wind was all headwind. And so I had 23 miles left.

• 23:38Cameron Hanes?

  23k.

• 23:39Speaker 00

  With probably a 20 mile an hour headwind. Yeah. And then I'm thinking, all right, you cheated death on the lake. A car is going to hit you. It was wild. I don't know. I've never, I've never felt that. And thankfully, Brooke's dad, uh, rented a bike, did both rides with me.

• 24:01Speaker 00

  You know, gave me, gave me some companionship out there. It would have been, it'd have been dark without him. Um, but yeah, I mean, you know, then, then finished, whatever. It was, it was 19 and a half hours. It, again, it didn't feel like, I don't know. And I've run into this a couple of times now. When I finish, I don't feel.

• 24:22Cameron Hanes?

  Happy?

• 24:23Speaker 00

  Happy or accomplished. I don't know. Do you, you ever get that?

• 24:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's like, I don't know. I mean, it's the journey. It's not the destination. It's not the finish. So once you finish, you're like, well, what, what's next?

• 24:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:43Cameron Hanes?

  It's like, I can't even like, like the Coca dona bell buckle. I don't even know where it's at.

• 24:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:48Cameron Hanes?

  You know, like that's supposed to be your thing.

• 24:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:51Cameron Hanes?

  So I don't, I, I get it.

• 24:53Speaker 00

  I know. It's so weird.

• 24:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 24:55Speaker 00

  I don't, I don't know what it is. And, and maybe it's the fact that I thought I was going to fail the whole time. And so when I finished, it was like,

• 25:04Speaker 00

  I think I'm going to fail, but I think other people expect me to finish. So it's like you finished. That's expected.

• 25:09Cameron Hanes?

  You're supposed to.

• 25:10Speaker 00

  Yeah. Like what? You want a cookie for it?

• 25:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 25:12Speaker 00

  You know? I don't know.

• 25:14Cameron Hanes?

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• 25:57Cameron Hanes?

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• 26:37Cameron Hanes?

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• 27:10Speaker 00

  Yeah. So, um, obviously Brooke, her dad, um, and then her stepmom Christine, they definitely sacrificed the most time. He rented a bike. They helped transport them to and from the lake, whatever they needed to do. Woke up at 1am with me. We're there at the start. Um, yeah, I can't.

• 27:33Cameron Hanes?

  That's impressive.

• 27:34Speaker 00

  It is. And.

• 27:35Cameron Hanes?

  Cause that's not a race. This is your harebrained idea.

• 27:38Speaker 00

  This is, yeah, this is some stupid idea I had. And, and you know, I know I'll probably have family members that'll listen to this, but I, growing up, I never had somebody that would do that. Like they cared about some stupid idea I had and it would show up, fail or succeed. I mean, luckily I succeeded, but I really do believe they, they wouldn't have cared if I failed. They would have thought of me the same.

• 28:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 28:03Speaker 00

  And I had problems with this leading up to it. I told Brooke, I was like, maybe I just don't want anybody there. Like it's too much pressure. And she's like, they don't, they're, they just, they want to come. They want to support. So.

• 28:13Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 28:14Speaker 00

  Um, and then my buddy Palmer and his fiance came out and uh, they were just there to have a good time. You know, I, they end up, they hiked up like a couple of miles up the trail when I ran and just were there to say hello to me before they split off on another trail.

• 28:32Cameron Hanes?

  That's all right.

• 28:33Speaker 00

  I, I wish I should have grabbed, I don't know if they had any snacks or anything, but uh,

• 28:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 28:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. And then they were there at the finish. Um, they woke up at 1am too. And yeah, super cool. So.

• 28:43Cameron Hanes?

  A lot of support.

• 28:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. And then I do want to mention, um,

• 28:49Speaker 00

  I want to mention the people that helped me on top. It was Beau, Tinka, Andrew, Katie, Maddie, and then Jorgan. Um, yeah, you guys are rock stars. Uh, with all, all those people that I just mentioned, the people on top, Brooke, her family, my friends, there is absolutely no successful picnic without them. And I think that's the biggest thing I learned. You know, people, I think people like to ask a common question with endurance events is like, why do you do it? And I've never really had a good answer. Uh, but this answer for me is a good

• 29:30Speaker 00

  why. It was like, it taught me that I can rely on people, that people will show up for me and I don't have to have this chip on my shoulder of like, I have to do everything on my own. Nobody cares. You know, nobody cares. Work harder, but people do care. And uh, I feel bad. I felt guilty afterwards, you know, the day after I'm driving home and, um,

• 29:59Speaker 00

  I felt guilty because I felt like all these people were willing to show up for me. No questions asked, uh, no strings attached.

• 30:09Speaker 00

  And what had I done for them? You know, I think I said this to you in, in Canada, but it was like, I, I, in my head, I painted this picture of a farmer who's standing, looking at his field. There's nothing growing and all he's worried about is the fact that he can prove to everybody, he can make something grow in this dead field. And whether his family planted the seeds there and generations passed or not.

• 30:37Speaker 00

  Meanwhile, behind him is a whole lush field that his friends have helped plant and water just for him. And he hasn't contributed any help, any work

• 30:48Speaker 00

  to others that need their fields watered. And so I just had this like, kinda big feeling of like, man, I'm kind of an asshole. You know, how many, how many like dreams or goals do these people have that I haven't shown up for? And yet they're still willing to show up for me. So, you know, I think for me, learning that is like going forward, I want to be there for their goals too, just like they were for mine. And that's what I'm trying to do. That's what I'm trying to learn from it. And I don't, I hope I'm doing good, but you know, changes don't happen overnight.

• 31:26Cameron Hanes?

  No, but that's, that's a good, I like that perspective. Cause a lot of people, part of it is

• 31:37Cameron Hanes?

  that perspective that is a lot of people never have that. It's always about them.

• 31:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:45Cameron Hanes?

  So the fact that you've already learned, whether you've nailed it or not, the fact that it's a conscious thought, that's a start.

• 31:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:53Cameron Hanes?

  You know what I mean?

• 31:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:54Cameron Hanes?

  Cause like I said, most people never get there.

• 31:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:58Cameron Hanes?

  So the fact that you're evolving and like thinking about it like that, that's, you know, that's a sign that, yeah, you get, I don't know. I think, I think we all can be better at that. We're all selfish in some ways.

• 32:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:10Cameron Hanes?

  You know?

• 32:11Speaker 00

  And then, you know, there's a second part to this, this story, and I posted about this, but

• 32:17Speaker 00

  you know, I, one of my best friends in high school fell during a, um, he was skiing, backcountry skiing, and he fell and died. And the winter prior, we did this big, long road trip and bought these road flares. Two of them, one for him, one for me. And we said, when we do something cool enough, we're going to light them off. And ever since I had heard about the picnic, I thought, I mean, what better of a time? I was, this is like this huge goal that everyone told me I couldn't accomplish. And I was so emotionally invested in it. And, you know, I said, this is when I'm going to light my flare off and I brought it.

• 32:53Speaker 00

  And I finished this and again, maybe, maybe that feeling of like not accomplishing something great enough at the end played a part, but I couldn't bring myself to light it. And I think more so what that flare offers me is the perspective that nothing will be good enough to light it. I'll always be chasing that and I'll always be chasing some adventure or something hard or some goal that feels impossible, that feels worthy of lighting it. But in the end, it'll always be the next thing that's worth lighting this flare.

• 33:37Speaker 00

  And I'm okay with that. Now, now I understand that I'll always keep that flare and I'll always try and do something cool enough that's worthy of lighting it off.

• 33:48Speaker 00

  I, I know that Ben would have, I mean, he definitely would have been down. He started trail running and ultra running.

• 33:56Speaker 00

  You know, back right after high school, before anybody even knew what it, or at least before we knew what it was. So he definitely would have loved to do it. And, you know, I hope, I hope he sees that and, uh, sees what I learned from it and I hope he's proud.

• 34:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Well, I, I would just say that, um, yeah, that's, I, I love that story. And that's a connection that we have with people in our lives, you know? I would just like throw out the fact that I don't think there'd be anything wrong with lighting it when you do accomplish something. Because that is the, the agreement you and Ben had, and it would kind of give, I don't want to say closure, but it would give like power to that moment or the, the agreement you guys had together. And there's no reason why you can't get another flare and say, I'm going to do, we're going to do this every time. You know what I mean? But instead of like, I wonder if that meaning over time would dissipate.

• 34:52Cameron Hanes?

  And, you know, you get distracted, life changes and what if it's not the same as it would have been then? You know what I mean?

• 34:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:00Cameron Hanes?

  So that I would just say, consider that.

• 35:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:03Cameron Hanes?

  And I don't know. I don't fucking know, dude. I'm, I'm just talking out my ass.

• 35:06Speaker 00

  No, that's, that's a good point. I haven't actually thought about that.

• 35:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 35:09Speaker 00

  I think part of me is like, I don't want to just get another flare because it's not the same one.

• 35:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no, I understand that. But I do, I do think that like you said, he would be down for it.

• 35:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:18Cameron Hanes?

  So I would think that it's, it's meaningful enough to give, to have, to open your heart to that thought and like to think about him in a different way.

• 35:28Speaker 00

  Yeah. I, I, you think you're probably right. I know there's also a part of me that's like, it's the last thing I have that, you know?

• 35:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 35:34Speaker 00

  Was a part of him.

• 35:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 35:36Speaker 00

  And when it's lit and gone, it's

• 35:38Cameron Hanes?

  Right. That's true.

• 35:39Speaker 00

  There's no getting it back.

• 35:41Cameron Hanes?

  You could keep that one and get another one.

• 35:43Speaker 00

  That's true. I could, I could keep that one and then light, light the new ones when I do things.

• 35:47Cameron Hanes?

  Anyway.

• 35:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:48Cameron Hanes?

  It's just, I, I like that and I just don't want it to, you know, I want it to be what it was intended to be.

• 35:56Speaker 00

  Yeah. No, I agree with that.

• 35:58Cameron Hanes?

  Cause I just think, cause you know, obviously, you know, I've lost people close to me too. And if I would have had something like that, I was just thinking about how, how I would navigate that.

• 36:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:08Cameron Hanes?

  You know?

• 36:08Speaker 00

  I don't know. You know, originally I was like, how cool would it have been to like, put it on the back of my bike while I'm finishing it? But I'm like, the amount of forest fires that was started.

• 36:19Speaker 00

  I probably would have gotten arrested. So.

• 36:21Cameron Hanes?

  Would have lit your butt, butt plug on fire.

• 36:25Speaker 00

  I need to get a butt plug flare. That's what I need.

• 36:27Cameron Hanes?

  No, well, fiery tarnim.

• 36:29Speaker 00

  True, true.

• 36:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 36:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:31Cameron Hanes?

  Safety.

• 36:32Speaker 00

  But yeah, that, I mean, that pretty much other than, I mean, there's nothing like

• 36:36Cameron Hanes?

  That's a big one.

• 36:37Speaker 00

  Too crazy that, that happened.

• 36:41Speaker 00

  I don't know. I, I know that I was like, like I said, super emotionally invested in this. And afterwards now people are like, what are you going to do next?

• 36:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 36:48Speaker 00

  I've got a tickle.

• 36:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 36:50Speaker 00

  I've got a tickle. And I think I want to find, I want to find my quitting moment. So I think the best way to do that would be a backyard, right? Cause I'm not going to win.

• 37:04Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know.

• 37:04Speaker 00

  So. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying I'm doing one.

• 37:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 37:09Speaker 00

  I'm just saying that there's a little tickle.

• 37:11Cameron Hanes?

  You're going to go and knock off Mark?

• 37:13Speaker 00

  I'm going to beat Mark.

• 37:14Cameron Hanes?

  Do it.

• 37:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:16Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I, um,

• 37:19Cameron Hanes?

  yeah.

• 37:23Cameron Hanes?

  So what we always say is like, anytime you do something hard, all that's the hardest thing you've ever done, or the third hardest thing. So was a picnic harder than the sheep hunt? How about that?

• 37:35Speaker 00

  I don't.

• 37:39Cameron Hanes?

  So what is the hardest thing you've ever done is a question?

• 37:45Cameron Hanes?

  Just so, just so we're all on the same page.

• 37:49Speaker 00

  The picnic was harder as one day, for sure.

• 37:54Speaker 00

  But

• 37:58Speaker 00

  I mean, that sheep hunt was, that was tough. And I know it's different. There's no swimming and I mean, the biking is nothing, but I don't know, dude. 15 days. The mental torment, the, the physical challenge. I think the sheep hunt takes it. And I didn't, was not expecting that to be the case.

• 38:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 38:19Speaker 00

  I mean, I think we left, it was three days after I finished the picnic or four days after I finished is like, I did not think I was going from what was the hardest thing I had done to

• 38:29Cameron Hanes?

  The new hardest thing.

• 38:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 38:32Speaker 00

  Yeah. It was brutal.

• 38:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 38:34Speaker 00

  So

• 38:35Cameron Hanes?

  Fucking rough.

• 38:36Speaker 00

  Any of you that think that you would have enjoyed the, the sheep hunt?

• 38:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 38:41Speaker 00

  I think you should think again.

• 38:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Just the being soaked part, even though we had all good shit.

• 38:47Speaker 00

  Great shit.

• 38:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 38:48Speaker 00

  I mean, you without rain pants, what did you get those rain pants like two days before you killed?

• 38:55Cameron Hanes?

  I told Tanner, cause he's a packing moose hunting right now.

• 38:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:59Cameron Hanes?

  I said, dude, I said, when you get to Pen Air, walk to fucking Bass Pro and buy some rubber. I said, and not just pants, I'd just get the jacket too. Just so you can, then you can just lay in pouring rain and you're not getting wet.

• 39:16Speaker 00

  Yeah. Get the whole kit.

• 39:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Whole kit and caboodle. So that's where they, they, uh, he got there last night. They said, they gave him some spaghetti for a half hour, then shipped him out by himself.

• 39:27Speaker 00

  What?

• 39:28Cameron Hanes?

  Till the fifth to find a moose.

• 39:31Speaker 00

  Holy shit.

• 39:33Cameron Hanes?

  He's go, go find a big, they dropped him off, said, find a big bull.

• 39:36Speaker 00

  Does he have like a in reach or anything?

• 39:38Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, he's texting me.

• 39:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:40Cameron Hanes?

  So he's got something.

• 39:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 39:43Speaker 00

  That's intense.

• 39:44Cameron Hanes?

  I said, well, I said, you can score a lot of points if you find a big bull for the hunter.

• 39:49Speaker 00

  I'd have been like, you know, the weather's looking.

• 39:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 39:52Speaker 00

  Maybe. Probably wait till tomorrow morning.

• 39:53Cameron Hanes?

  How's tomorrow looking? Yeah.

• 39:55Speaker 00

  I only need four days.

• 39:57Cameron Hanes?

  No, he was, he's, uh, yeah, he's pretty pumped. But yeah.

• 40:02Speaker 00

  I'm sure he's loving it. Yeah.

• 40:04Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I don't know. He said he can't find any moose.

• 40:08Cameron Hanes?

  I said, well, it's big country.

• 40:10Speaker 00

  Yeah. We, we, uh, didn't we see a bull when we were?

• 40:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Saw one way out, but it's like, it is big country. I mean, and there's not a ton of moose. So you do have to get on that glass.

• 40:22Speaker 00

  Is he, uh, do they, do they have like this similar, you know, we were in tents, those like kind of

• 40:27Cameron Hanes?

  Slimmer?

• 40:29Speaker 00

  Slimmer, the similar tents that we were in?

• 40:31Cameron Hanes?

  I probably.

• 40:32Speaker 00

  Or is he off his back?

• 40:34Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know.

• 40:35Speaker 00

  Off your back with, that's a hole.

• 40:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Cause we had like a little stove. Did we have bagels and peanut butter and bacon?

• 40:45Speaker 00

  Those are good.

• 40:45Cameron Hanes?

  That was good.

• 40:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:47Cameron Hanes?

  God.

• 40:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. That's, you know what?

• 40:49Cameron Hanes?

  Use some of that on the sheep.

• 40:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. I was going to say Kurt needs to add that to his repertoire.

• 40:53Cameron Hanes?

  Man, did you see that buck in Colorado? God.

• 40:57Speaker 00

  That thing is a monster. That is crazy.

• 41:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah. So that's the goal.

• 41:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, that'll be.

• 41:05Cameron Hanes?

  Get that bitch on the Bentley.

• 41:06Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 41:08Speaker 00

  That should be pretty good.

• 41:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, it's, that thing is fricking, God, it is huge. Trying to look at these other bucks over here.

• 41:19Cameron Hanes?

  It's like bigger.

• 41:22Speaker 00

  Than that top one?

• 41:24Cameron Hanes?

  That top one's two oh eight, but this one is six by 10.

• 41:30Cameron Hanes?

  So.

• 41:31Speaker 00

  And it's got mass.

• 41:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, very heavy.

• 41:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:35Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, we'll see.

• 41:36Speaker 00

  Crazy.

• 41:36Cameron Hanes?

  We'll see.

• 41:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's, oh, that'll be fun.

• 41:39Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 41:40Speaker 00

  Any bulls?

• 41:41Cameron Hanes?

  Uh, no, I mean, they've seen some, but it's early.

• 41:45Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 41:45Cameron Hanes?

  So I got that bear, I'm going to focus on deer and bear. Um, and then let the, I have till the, so we're supposed to be in Utah on the 14th.

• 41:54Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 41:55Cameron Hanes?

  At noon.

• 41:56Speaker 00

  Sweet.

• 41:56Cameron Hanes?

  So like probably that morning flight.

• 41:58Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 41:58Cameron Hanes?

  Out of here and then I'll, I don't know if I'll be here or coming from Colorado.

• 42:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:05Cameron Hanes?

  But.

• 42:05Speaker 00

  You can drive.

• 42:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know.

• 42:08Speaker 00

  Put some miles on the Bentley.

• 42:09Cameron Hanes?

  Shit. Uh, Utah's quite a ways up there.

• 42:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:14Cameron Hanes?

  Is it?

• 42:15Speaker 00

  Well, it's.

• 42:16Cameron Hanes?

  No, it's right above.

• 42:17Speaker 00

  10 hours to Colorado from uh, San Carlos.

• 42:22Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. I can't remember.

• 42:24Speaker 00

  Didn't? We, didn't we not drive that?

• 42:29Cameron Hanes?

  I didn't, or wait.

• 42:30Speaker 00

  Did I? I don't think so.

• 42:33Speaker 00

  I thought I did.

• 42:34Cameron Hanes?

  I think you did. I don't think I did.

• 42:36Speaker 00

  Well, if I did, I don't remember it.

• 42:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 42:39Speaker 00

  Oh, wait, I did.

• 42:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 42:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's not.

• 42:42Cameron Hanes?

  And did I fly?

• 42:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 42:44Speaker 00

  It's not, I think it's another 10. Yeah, so too far. But.

• 42:50Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, it's almost.

• 42:53Cameron Hanes?

  God, flying is a pain in the, cause I gotta go Colorado Springs, then Denver to Salt Lake.

• 42:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:00Cameron Hanes?

  So it's almost.

• 43:02Speaker 00

  Might.

• 43:03Cameron Hanes?

  Like with three flights.

• 43:05Speaker 00

  Might be quicker.

• 43:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I'll have to think about it.

• 43:07Speaker 00

  Especially because you'll probably miss a flight.

• 43:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, but also I got that car being picked up at Colorado already.

• 43:14Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 43:15Cameron Hanes?

  On the 13th.

• 43:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, um. Oh, real quick. Not only was the sleep bad three days, I had torrential diarrhea.

• 43:25Cameron Hanes?

  Ooh.

• 43:26Speaker 00

  So I was dehydrated.

• 43:27Cameron Hanes?

  Nice.

• 43:28Speaker 00

  Let me add that in there.

• 43:29Cameron Hanes?

  What was that? What caused that?

• 43:30Speaker 00

  I have no idea. Maybe being so nervous.

• 43:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:33Speaker 00

  I don't, I don't know.

• 43:36Speaker 00

  I don't know. I've, I have not been that nervous for something, I think, in a very long time. So.

• 43:42Cameron Hanes?

  How did the, uh, two weeks of Mound House do for your stomach? Are you back to normal yet?

• 43:51Cameron Hanes?

  That was, dude, my, I haven't been normal since I've been back.

• 43:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean.

• 44:00Speaker 00

  It's gonna be TMI, but it's shit talkers, so.

• 44:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 44:04Speaker 00

  It's been, it was bad enough that I thought about using paper towels.

• 44:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I don't know what the hell happened. I don't think that, that many preservatives is great.

• 44:16Speaker 00

  There's gotta be like a limit of how many days in a row you could eat those things.

• 44:19Cameron Hanes?

  Cause we were pounding them. And they were.

• 44:23Speaker 00

  And I still want to blame the fudge.

• 44:27Cameron Hanes?

  That mudslide?

• 44:31Cameron Hanes?

  Was it called mudslide?

• 44:32Speaker 00

  Mississippi mudslide.

• 44:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's the perfect name for it.

• 44:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:35Cameron Hanes?

  Cause that was your underwear.

• 44:37Speaker 00

  Still is.

• 44:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's, it's rough.

• 44:42Cameron Hanes?

  God.

• 44:43Speaker 00

  I have, I've put back on maybe four pounds, but.

• 44:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 44:50Speaker 00

  I was looking at, dude, I gotta show you this.

• 44:53Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 44:54Speaker 00

  You are not going to believe how lean I used to be. I found old photos of when I was climbing.

• 44:59Cameron Hanes?

  Whoa, holy shit, dude, you're shredded.

• 45:02Speaker 00

  I know.

• 45:03Cameron Hanes?

  Whoa.

• 45:05Speaker 00

  I know. I need to get back to that. Well.

• 45:08Cameron Hanes?

  What happened?

• 45:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, I got fat.

• 45:10Cameron Hanes?

  You got pregnant.

• 45:11Speaker 00

  Got soft and I got skinny. Well, I was really skinny. I was probably 145 there, but.

• 45:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, well, that's what it, kind of what it takes to climb.

• 45:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:21Cameron Hanes?

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• 47:29Cameron Hanes?

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• 47:33Speaker 00

  I do think we have a little drama. We gotta cover real quick.

• 47:36Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 47:38Speaker 00

  I don't even know if I want to enter this.

• 47:42Speaker 00

  Iron Cowboy.

• 47:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 47:45Speaker 00

  And Matt Johnson.

• 47:46Cameron Hanes?

  James Lawrence.

• 47:47Speaker 00

  Online beef. I just think people have been asking for your opinion.

• 47:54Speaker 00

  Just listen to that past episode, shit talkers, right?

• 47:57Cameron Hanes?

  Is there a beef or, cause I haven't seen Matt Johnson respond.

• 48:01Speaker 00

  I don't think he's, he's going to. I just assume no response. Beef.

• 48:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I don't know. Um. Yeah, so what it was, was we talked about it a little bit. Uh, Matt had a goal of seven Iron Man in seven days. He came up a little short. Um, I think we kind of landed on still giving him credit for, for for earning money for, for the veterans, um, which is amazing. Uh, I do understand he's coming up short on all these goals. And that even sounds bad, all these goals, but, um, the run across Texas, supposed to be a thousand miles, is 800 and some miles.

• 48:51Cameron Hanes?

  This one was supposed to be seven, it was six and a half.

• 48:53Speaker 00

  Where did those extra miles go?

• 48:55Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know.

• 48:56Speaker 00

  Was it just never?

• 48:57Cameron Hanes?

  I, I have no idea.

• 48:58Speaker 00

  I didn't know if they were rounding up.

• 48:59Cameron Hanes?

  I never heard, I never got the details.

• 49:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 49:02Cameron Hanes?

  I'm like, oh, I thought it was Texas 1,000.

• 49:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:05Cameron Hanes?

  But it wasn't.

• 49:06Speaker 00

  I guess we just round up six and a half to seven.

• 49:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 49:09Speaker 00

  800 to 1,000.

• 49:11Cameron Hanes?

  So, I mean, I get, so James Lawrence, who is Iron Cowboy, he did. And if anybody can have an opinion, I guess it'd be him. He did 101 in a row. Ironman, Ironman.

• 49:24Speaker 00

  Is that hard?

• 49:26Cameron Hanes?

  Fucking nuts. And also

• 49:30Cameron Hanes?

  did he do it in different, he can't do 101 different states, but the first time he did it in 50 different states. So he had to like organize swimming in all these states to get the 2.4 miles.

• 49:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, and people were like, got mad at him because he did a day inside or a couple of days inside because of weather and they were like, that doesn't count. So then he did 101.

• 49:51Cameron Hanes?

  101.

• 49:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:53Cameron Hanes?

  Cause it was gonna be 100, then he just did one just for good measure. So that, to me, that's a full fucking effort. So with him being critical of Matt, that's, he has that right, I think. I don't. And, um, I did say some things. I do understand when you have a goal, people want to see that goal achieved.

• 50:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:13Cameron Hanes?

  Or they want to see you bleed not getting it.

• 50:16Speaker 00

  Right.

• 50:17Cameron Hanes?

  And so I do understand, uh, where Matt is being criticized a little bit and also, but I also want to say that when you post your goals publicly and you're a public figure and you got a million followers and you're making money from all this, bro,

• 50:37Cameron Hanes?

  you're fucking putting yourself out there.

• 50:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:39Cameron Hanes?

  It's not, you can't just take the good, you're gonna get bad too.

• 50:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:43Cameron Hanes?

  And you gotta fucking take that just the same.

• 50:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:46Cameron Hanes?

  With a smile on your face.

• 50:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, which I mean, maybe he is, maybe he isn't, he hasn't responded, so who knows? Uh, I think my one thing was like, and I don't think, I mean, I'm not sure, James, what his full intentions were, but you can lose respect for like the goal. It turned in like, and I don't know if he ever was like attacking his character, but in the comments, people were just attacking everybody's character. Melee in there.

• 51:14Cameron Hanes?

  That's social media.

• 51:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I think just in a broad view, what we do, what we've been given the opportunity to do, you guys, endurance athletes, I capture it, whatever, but in the grand scheme of things, being able to be disappointed or lose respect for someone because they only did six and a half and not seven, that is a privilege. Being able to say that you only want to do six and a half and not the full seven is a privilege.

• 51:46Speaker 00

  Guys.

• 51:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 51:48Speaker 00

  We're, we're men, are we not? Like?

• 51:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 51:50Speaker 00

  Why are we doing these little Instagram fights?

• 51:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 51:54Speaker 00

  It's ridiculous. And like we talked about, you know, there was that video of, uh, Matt buying a bike for a kid. So he's obviously a good dude.

• 52:00Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 52:01Speaker 00

  All I can, you can be a great dude and failing your goals, it's.

• 52:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 52:06Speaker 00

  Whatever.

• 52:10Cameron Hanes?

  There's another caveat to it.

• 52:12Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 52:13Cameron Hanes?

  Which, I don't know if this caused James some, uh, some, I don't know if this caused some feelings to him, but he was talking about how his four veterans and veterans don't get a chance to quit. They don't, they can't be at war and say, I quit. They can't, they can't quit when it gets hard. Like even like the people struggling with mental, with depression or, or mental challenges, they can't quit those.

• 52:40Speaker 00

  Right.

• 52:41Cameron Hanes?

  So Matt was trying to help those guys. For those guys really struggling, they don't want to see Matt quit.

• 52:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:49Cameron Hanes?

  Cause he might be inspiring them. So I think I heard James say something about that or wrote something about that, which I, I wasn't thinking about that.

• 52:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:58Cameron Hanes?

  That wasn't my perspective, but I, I get that. And so maybe, maybe that was a big deal for James and I understand. Matt himself is a veteran, so again, it's complicated.

• 53:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:12Cameron Hanes?

  And there is nuance to it. So, and he, then he put up today something about he was going to kill himself in 2023. So it's like, do we, do we really want to be just piling on negativity with people who are already struggling?

• 53:28Speaker 00

  Yeah. It was, is James a veteran?

• 53:31Cameron Hanes?

  I don't think so.

• 53:33Speaker 00

  For some reason, my brain goes to like, when, if I were to wear like a Pocahontas outfit for Halloween and then the white woman in the neighborhood is like, that's cultural appropriation.

• 53:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 53:43Speaker 00

  Why don't you let them, the veterans speak up for themselves?

• 53:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 53:46Speaker 00

  You know? I don't know. If, if they're not upset, I mean, and that's the thing is like, you can't be like, all veterans are upset. There's going to be some that are upset, some that aren't.

• 53:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 53:55Speaker 00

  It's so, like you said, it's so nuanced.

• 53:57Cameron Hanes?

  It, it is, it's just, um, yeah. I just think like big, like a big deal is people want to see you have a goal. They're rooting for you. They want to see you finish.

• 54:08Speaker 00

  Well, like we said.

• 54:09Cameron Hanes?

  They want to see you suffer and finish.

• 54:10Speaker 00

  It'd have been, I would have loved to watch him bleed and drag himself across those last, whatever it was, 85 miles.

• 54:17Cameron Hanes?

  No, that's why we watch all these documentaries.

• 54:19Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 54:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So I mean, yeah, I mean, we wanted him, I didn't want him to fail.

• 54:24Speaker 00

  No.

• 54:25Cameron Hanes?

  No, I want him to say, I want all his goals to be met and I don't like there being negative. But the, the thing is when you do have huge goals, like these endurance goals, the best ones, there's a chance of failing and that's why people watch and tune in and care.

• 54:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:42Cameron Hanes?

  So you can't just say, oh, I'm going to run a 5K every day this week. Well, who gives a fuck?

• 54:49Speaker 00

  Nobody.

• 54:50Cameron Hanes?

  So if you're going to say like, no, I'm going to do an Ironman every day this week, then all of a sudden people are like, okay.

• 54:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:57Cameron Hanes?

  So you fucking give it your all.

• 54:59Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I think,

• 55:03Speaker 00

  in my opinion, you know, maybe we could have been a little less celebratory on the finish line.

• 55:11Speaker 00

  Just in my opinion.

• 55:11Cameron Hanes?

  We? I didn't celebrate.

• 55:14Speaker 00

  Matthew.

• 55:15Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:17Speaker 00

  And I mean, I, I like Matthew, uh, Matt Johnson. I, I do think he's a good dude.

• 55:24Speaker 00

  But, you know, next time.

• 55:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 55:29Speaker 00

  And it's, like you said, I mean, if anyone's going to have the, an opinion, it's James Lawrence.

• 55:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 55:34Speaker 00

  Did a hundred and one.

• 55:35Cameron Hanes?

  And I do, you know, like I said, I, this is just the way it goes. Your social media, you're going to get criticized, you're going to get celebrated.

• 55:45Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 55:45Cameron Hanes?

  You can't get worked up about either one. This is, this is your fucking job.

• 55:50Speaker 00

  That's a good point.

• 55:51Cameron Hanes?

  It's your job. It's, that's just the way it goes.

• 55:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:54Cameron Hanes?

  So when it's your job though, give everything you got.

• 55:59Speaker 00

  Yeah. Maybe you can get worked up, maybe you just can't complain.

• 56:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, nobody wants to hear a complaint.

• 56:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:05Cameron Hanes?

  No, I mean, he didn't, he didn't complain. He, the, the opposite of complaining is you talk about what you did, like you gave, I think he raised 500,000, something like that. So you don't get into the, the mudslinging, you just talk about the, the win.

• 56:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:22Cameron Hanes?

  And that's, that's amazing.

• 56:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:24Cameron Hanes?

  So I, you know, I love to see him buying the bike. I love to see him raising money for veterans. So just focus on that. Focus on all the good work you did and just catalog this negativity and just say, yeah, maybe, maybe I have to own some of this.

• 56:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:41Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. I don't know if that's how he feels, but I would feel that way.

• 56:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, and I don't, I, I haven't seen if he's posted anything, but.

• 56:48Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 56:49Speaker 00

  I mean, I'm sure he, I don't know.

• 56:51Cameron Hanes?

  I mean.

• 56:51Speaker 00

  I would feel that way too.

• 56:52Cameron Hanes?

  We're on, we're on his team.

• 56:54Speaker 00

  We're on his side. I mean, I think about, I don't know, I just think about, it's just different. It's, I don't know. I think about failing and like, like I said, that whole day, I was just thinking about how I was going to come up with some excuse of why I quit.

• 57:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 57:07Speaker 00

  And that fucking sucked.

• 57:09Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 57:10Speaker 00

  But if I did quit, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have had somebody drive me to the finish, to the Anner Arches and been like, I did it.

• 57:22Speaker 00

  So I can see both sides. I don't know. I'm probably going to get hate for that.

• 57:29Cameron Hanes?

  I don't remember running across the finish line at Coca Dona this year.

• 57:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, but you wore that on your chin.

• 57:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 57:38Speaker 00

  You didn't have us drive you to the finish. Well, that's not true.

• 57:42Cameron Hanes?

  I did. I did.

• 57:44Speaker 00

  But you didn't cross it like you finished.

• 57:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 57:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. I, I mean, there's another, there's another side of this too, which is sponsorship.

• 57:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 57:52Speaker 00

  You know, and.

• 57:53Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. I was kind of surprised that James did a post like that. Normally like people who, who've, who've made it usually don't, I don't want to say punched down.

• 58:10Cameron Hanes?

  So, but I just think it was so, so closely tied to what he did. So he.

• 58:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:17Cameron Hanes?

  With his previous hundred and one.

• 58:19Speaker 00

  Which, I mean, there's, I think, um,

• 58:24Speaker 00

  I don't know how people view this, but like, it's so, it, that's the guy that you want to have an opinion if you're doing Ironman.

• 58:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:31Speaker 00

  That's the guy.

• 58:32Cameron Hanes?

  And, and I don't, I don't think he's being, he's trying to not turn to be mean.

• 58:36Speaker 00

  No.

• 58:36Cameron Hanes?

  I think he's trying to be constructive.

• 58:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:38Cameron Hanes?

  Cause I think he's a good guy also.

• 58:40Speaker 00

  Yeah. And, and I, I saw like, uh, Mike Egan said in there, like it could have been in a text or a call. That's true. It could have been.

• 58:47Cameron Hanes?

  Well, except this whole business is done on social media.

• 58:51Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 58:52Cameron Hanes?

  So you put your goals on social media, you put your wins, you put your failures, you put your criticisms. It's all social media.

• 58:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:58Cameron Hanes?

  So why, why are we having different rules?

• 59:00Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, clocked in.

• 59:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 59:02Speaker 00

  It's time to work.

• 59:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 59:04Speaker 00

  So, and I mean, look, we're talking about it, so.

• 59:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And I mean, respect to Egan too, it's like such a stud.

• 59:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:11Cameron Hanes?

  Again, if anybody could have an opinion, it's him.

• 59:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. And you know, he's going to bat for Matt, his boy, and I can respect that.

• 59:20Cameron Hanes?

  It's great.

• 59:20Speaker 00

  Yeah. So, well, the one other thing I got to ask you about. Have you seen this whole Lindsey Clancy case?

• 59:29Cameron Hanes?

  Is this a, she killed her kids?

• 59:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I don't know that much about it.

• 59:35Speaker 00

  I, I don't either, but I just know there's a lot of heated exchange of like women who support her and dudes leaving those relationships because their partner supports her.

• 59:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, I don't really understand how you can justify a mother killing her kids. Cause that's right, isn't that what people are doing? Like, oh, they understand what she was going through, kind of?

• 1:00:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, like, um, she had, uh, or they're saying she had like postpartum psychosis or something.

• 1:00:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:10Speaker 00

  And now there's like a bunch of shitty moms basically using it as an excuse for their behavior.

• 1:00:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I, I can't get behind that.

• 1:00:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, I can't either.

• 1:00:20Cameron Hanes?

  I can't get behind that.

• 1:00:21Speaker 00

  I know the jury's out deliberating and has been for a while, so.

• 1:00:25Cameron Hanes?

  So it, the case was heard, jury's making a decision now is where it's at.

• 1:00:31Speaker 00

  Yeah. Which, I don't know, usually means there's not like super hard evidence either way. I don't even know exactly what is being, like she said she did it.

• 1:00:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:43Speaker 00

  But I guess they're saying she was in psychosis, so she was just told she did it.

• 1:00:47Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:00:48Speaker 00

  I don't know how that shit works.

• 1:00:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So is she like, supposed to be like, get off on a mental health technicality? Is that, or like go to a mental hospital instead of prison? Probably seems like what's up?

• 1:01:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, I guess maybe that's, those are the options.

• 1:01:03Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know.

• 1:01:04Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, either way, three innocent kids are dead.

• 1:01:07Cameron Hanes?

  God, that's terrible.

• 1:01:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:10Speaker 00

  So.

• 1:01:11Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. Yeah, I don't, I didn't, I haven't really followed too much on that.

• 1:01:15Speaker 00

  You've just been watching your incest show.

• 1:01:19Cameron Hanes?

  God. Thank God I'm done with that.

• 1:01:23Speaker 00

  Have you finished it?

• 1:01:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah, it's good stuff.

• 1:01:30Cameron Hanes?

  But Cam Kennedy killed a bull.

• 1:01:32Speaker 00

  I saw that.

• 1:01:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Um, who else got a bull?

• 1:01:36Speaker 00

  Oh, uh.

• 1:01:40Cameron Hanes?

  Tanner's buddy got one too.

• 1:01:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. What's his name?

• 1:01:46Speaker 00

  I just saw that the other day. He killed like opening day, didn't he?

• 1:01:49Cameron Hanes?

  Who?

• 1:01:51Speaker 00

  Is it?

• 1:01:54Speaker 00

  Is it cousin?

• 1:01:56Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, Marcus.

• 1:01:57Speaker 00

  Marcus.

• 1:01:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, Marcus did get one. Yeah, he got another. So now he's been on, he's got, and I had him go to Ronnie's up there at White's.

• 1:02:05Speaker 00

  Oh, nice.

• 1:02:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, to get that meat taken care of. Cause he basically taught himself how to hunt. So now he's killed two six by six the last two years. He's killed a bear with a gun and a buck with a bow, but the, the bulls are both with bow.

• 1:02:20Speaker 00

  Dude.

• 1:02:20Cameron Hanes?

  And taught himself how to do it.

• 1:02:22Speaker 00

  Stud.

• 1:02:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So it's like, he's trying to break down this elk and watching it on YouTube. And I told Ronnie, I said, I said, hopefully, I said, I don't know where Marcus is at with taking care of animals. Cause I said, I think he taught himself. So I'm hoping that, you know, the meat is treated with respect and honor and all that. He said he did a great job.

• 1:02:42Speaker 00

  Oh, nice.

• 1:02:43Cameron Hanes?

  So that was, that's, that's a, that is a challenge for a new hunter.

• 1:02:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:48Cameron Hanes?

  Especially a bull.

• 1:02:49Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:02:50Cameron Hanes?

  So much.

• 1:02:50Speaker 00

  Was he by himself?

• 1:02:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:52Speaker 00

  That is really hard.

• 1:02:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So he, uh, I think he told Tanner, he thinks there needs to be, people need to understand how much work is involved. Cause when you get a bull down, cause I think he said he got his ass kicked dealing with that.

• 1:03:09Speaker 00

  I mean, if you don't know exactly what you're doing, it can take a couple of hours.

• 1:03:13Cameron Hanes?

  God, even if you know what you're doing, it takes a couple of hours sometimes.

• 1:03:17Speaker 00

  Lot of time to think about what you're fucking up.

• 1:03:20Cameron Hanes?

  But man, what a, what an accomplishment. So I'm super proud of him. Um, yeah, people are killing. We got good weather here. Rain today.

• 1:03:27Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:03:28Cameron Hanes?

  Um, it's about perfect.

• 1:03:29Speaker 00

  I know.

• 1:03:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:30Speaker 00

  Love waking up to the rain.

• 1:03:31Cameron Hanes?

  I know. So it's a, yeah, it's a, you know, been in the bow rack. I've finally got some more arrows. We were, we were kind of behind on the X10s. I was getting down there. Um, got them in today and got them finished. So I've been at the bow rack and everybody's in there shooting and

• 1:03:47Speaker 00

  Nice.

• 1:03:48Cameron Hanes?

  Getting pumped.

• 1:03:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:50Speaker 00

  It's that time of the year. It came quick.

• 1:03:51Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 1:03:52Speaker 00

  I feel like.

• 1:03:52Cameron Hanes?

  I know. So hopefully we can get a bull on the ground and continue the streak.

• 1:03:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. I had, what was I gonna say?

• 1:04:05Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:04:06Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 1:04:06Speaker 00

  So.

• 1:04:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 1:04:09Speaker 00

  Oh. You, you're, this probably won't mean anything to you, but Eric and I got an old Nintendo 64.

• 1:04:18Cameron Hanes?

  Nice.

• 1:04:18Speaker 00

  And a tube TV.

• 1:04:19Cameron Hanes?

  Ooh.

• 1:04:20Speaker 00

  We got rid of the, of the little flat screen we had and put a tube TV with a Nintendo 64.

• 1:04:25Cameron Hanes?

  How is it?

• 1:04:27Speaker 00

  Oh, it's so fun.

• 1:04:28Cameron Hanes?

  What games?

• 1:04:29Speaker 00

  Uh, Super Smash Bros., GoldenEye 007, uh, Mario.

• 1:04:36Cameron Hanes?

  So instead of making my movies, you're fucking playing video games.

• 1:04:39Speaker 00

  All day. That's the thing about, that's the thing about tube TVs. You can't see them in the daytime though.

• 1:04:44Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 1:04:45Speaker 00

  You can only, I mean, you could barely see them.

• 1:04:47Cameron Hanes?

  When it's good light.

• 1:04:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:49Speaker 00

  But no.

• 1:04:50Cameron Hanes?

  Those things sucked.

• 1:04:51Speaker 00

  So I'm getting rid of this and I'm also getting a home phone.

• 1:04:55Cameron Hanes?

  A dial-up?

• 1:04:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Get a rotary phone.

• 1:04:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. You know, the huge TVs that make the sound when you turn them on.

• 1:05:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And they're fucking heavy.

• 1:05:03Speaker 00

  Yeah. Heavy as shit.

• 1:05:05Cameron Hanes?

  I remember I gave one to this guy that worked with me and it was like a lot to lift. Now you get these flash screens and you're just like, they're so light, but those old ones, man.

• 1:05:16Speaker 00

  This one is like 24 inches across and probably 200 pounds.

• 1:05:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And like 48 inches deep.

• 1:05:24Speaker 00

  Yeah. But that was it.

• 1:05:27Cameron Hanes?

  Good stuff. Well, all right. Well, that's our update. We got the shit talkers weekly, the, the, the picnic breakdown. And then the drama breakdown and yeah, we're good. Now, next up is a solo episode.

• 1:05:40Speaker 00

  I know.

• 1:05:41Cameron Hanes?

  Right?

• 1:05:42Speaker 00

  I got some good ideas.

• 1:05:43Cameron Hanes?

  All right.

• 1:05:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:44Cameron Hanes?

  Well, so stay tuned. Um, yeah, James will be doing it solo, like, like his first sexual experience.

• 1:05:54Cameron Hanes?

  Bathroom back home.

• 1:06:00Cameron Hanes?

  It's all love.

• 1:06:02Speaker 00

  It's all, oh, we didn't even start with that. It is all love.

• 1:06:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So yeah, that doesn't count.

• 1:06:06Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:06:07Cameron Hanes?

  Cause that's, that's a shit talkers.

• 1:06:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. All right.

• 1:06:11Speaker 00

  All right.

• 1:06:12Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, guys, don't let your meatloaf keep hammering.