The Snack: Verity, States of Emergency, and Pete Davidson vs. Influencers

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we’re talking about: Music rumors about the Super Bowl and Coachella Our review on Verity and the manuscript vs. letter debate Alix Earle doesn’t read Pete Davidson vs. influencers Rayna reviews The Social Reckoning (and drinking at the premiere) Headlines: Christa Pike vs. lethal injection, The Bachelor vs. Chris Harrison, Gypsy Rose’s fiancé dies, Letitia James takes on Cornell case Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: Quince: Get free shipping and 365-day returns on your next order at https://quince.com/gge and app-exclusive offers when you download the app. NOCD: If you’re struggling with OCD book a free 15-minute call at https://nocd.com. Redken: Visit Ulta Beauty to shop Redken Acidic Grow Full System online and start building your healthiest looking hair routine. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:02Rayna Greenberg?

  This week on the snack, Verity, Super Bowl rumors and Pete Davidson versus influencers.

• 0:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is a Dear Media production.

• 0:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Enjoy.

• 0:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hi, guys.

• 0:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi, guys.

• 0:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Trying to be very quiet to not disturb the bull in a china shop in my house. I have a, Raina Dalton, I have a third foster dog, Gumball from Wags and Walks, LA. You didn't know her name till just now.

• 0:34Rayna Greenberg?

  I didn't even know it was a girl until two seconds ago.

• 0:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  I have never had a girl dog in my life, not my family, in the home. I can't stop saying like, boys and calling her and misgendering her. I'm just not used to it, but yes, she is a female, one-year-old pit bull mix. And she is a lot.

• 0:54Rayna Greenberg?

  I couldn't do it. I'm not strong enough.

• 0:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  She's so.

• 0:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Someone else should, no, somebody should adopt, adopt her, but I'm just, I'm a little person that can't have a big dog.

• 1:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, it's a lot and she is so sweet. She's well-trained, like she's the perfect dog for someone that wants a high-energy pit mix. And I'll try to get her on screen at some point, but I'm not going to wake her up right now. She's sleeping on the couch, so we don't disturb her when she is relaxing.

• 1:27Rayna Greenberg?

  So we are both existing in a state of emergency.

• 1:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. Oh, can I just wrap it up? Can I wrap the dog thing up?

• 1:33Rayna Greenberg?

  I was talking about the dog.

• 1:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, sorry. No, I just want to say that Cody got adopted, my little angel Cody, who you guys saw in multiple episodes. So Cody got adopted by this nice older couple and they're so in love with him. And Zizou, the pug, is still available for adoption as well. So I just want to give an update on my trio of foster dogs that I've had. But yes, low-key, the state of California and our household is a bit of a state of emergency. But you have the measles.

• 2:04Rayna Greenberg?

  We have a new state of emergency. So last week, we had a nor'easter flooding state of emergency. This week's state of emergency is a measles outbreak. As we are recording, there is 108 cases. So everything is just bad all the time.

• 2:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, the country is a state of emergency, I would say.

• 2:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 2:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, let's thank our partners.

• 2:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, thank you to Quince, our, she's our longtime love, Quince. Get free shipping and 365-day returns on your next order at quince.com/gge and app-exclusive offers when you download the app.

• 2:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  And thank you to NoCD. If you're struggling with OCD, book a free 15-minute call at nocd.com. And Redken, visit Alta Beauty to shop Redken Acidic Grow Full System online and start building your healthiest-looking hair routine. And we are going to kick it off with a rumor report, music-specific rumor report. But we love a rumor, you know, we love an unverified rumor at the onset.

• 3:01Rayna Greenberg?

  I love perpetuating maybe true things.

• 3:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  So we'll go chronologically. The first rumor is that Jay-Z could be headlining the Super Bowl, maybe with Beyonce. People are finding little Easter eggs here and there, but the rumor is that they are struggling to book a headliner. So Jay-Z and Roc Nation are involved in booking a headliner. I feel like we have known this throughout the years. And the sources claim organizers are facing difficulties locking in a headliner. The game's going to be here in LA at SoFi. And it says, "If a solo star cannot be finalized, speculation suggests Jay-Z could headline the show himself and bring out an all-star lineup of musical friends." I think it's so funny to be like, if I can't find anybody, I'll do it myself. It's very Donald Trump. Remember when he did that shit?

• 3:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  What was it? There was like something that no one wanted to perform at, obviously, because it was associated with that.

• 3:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Being the president of this country.

• 3:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  He was like, I'll do it myself. That's fair. That's fair. Who would want that job?

• 3:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, they're also saying that like, by now, there has been a headliner announced, right? This is kind of late in the year that they haven't announced somebody.

• 4:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. Like, when do they usually announce it? I just can't believe it's the end of the year. But people are saying that Justin Bieber and Harry Styles were high on the list, but not confirmed. And they, they don't want to do it. And so this is all rumor and speculation, but I would die. And I'm already having anxiety about going if that's the case. Like, I'm like, I gotta go. I live here. And if it's Beyonce and Jay-Z, and we've seen them perform together at The Link, actually, in Philly during the On the Run 2 tour. And it was incredible. But if it was here in LA, like the people he would bring out. So I don't know. You know, I hope that the Roc Nation can find anybody. And I hope Jay-Z is like, fine, I'll fucking do it. It's crazy. You know, they don't get paid. I wouldn't do it.

• 4:44Rayna Greenberg?

  They don't? You don't get money? I would have thought that more people want to do this after Bad Bunny last year. I would have thought that like, the NFL had some goodwill surrounding it because they continued on with the Bad Bunny halftime show. So I'm surprised that like, people don't want to do it.

• 5:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, it's, they do not receive a traditional appearance fee or paycheck from the NFL.

• 5:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Why would you do it for the love of the game?

• 5:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  For the exposure is what they say. And I feel like people are like, no, not worth it.

• 5:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Nobody performing at the Super Bowl needs the exposure.

• 5:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. Like, just do Coachella, which brings us to our next rumor. So there is rumors that Drake may do Coachella.

• 5:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Are you gonna go?

• 5:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  100% would have to go to this.

• 5:27Rayna Greenberg?

  All three nights?

• 5:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, two weekends.

• 5:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Two weekends.

• 5:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, Raina.

• 5:33Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm sorry, I'm just trying to like blackout Coachella because we went once and I was like, never again. Okay?

• 5:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Maybe you are thinking of when he did do, I think it was the Wireless Festival, I believe, last year. And I think that he did three nights, all different performances. And that's why I think he would be so incredible for Coachella. He would do two totally different performances, like real fans and real people who wanted to see what it was about would go both weekends. And he is an incredible performer. He's got the catalog, he's got the charisma. I've seen him once. I saw him with J. Cole. He's just such a fun watch. Like, this makes so much sense. And he would have two totally completely different weekends. That's my prediction. And I would die to see it. I mean, I don't know. I said yes immediately, but I don't know if I can handle Coachella again. And I think it would be like, record turnout and crowds. I would go if I got an artist pass.

• 6:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I'm going to manifest that if I could be up in the pit or in super VIP, I would 100% go. So let me just put that out in the universe and answer the question appropriately.

• 6:31Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm going to manifest going to the Super Bowl. I am not going to manifest going to Coachella. I think I'm down with musical, music festivals, maybe for the rest of my life. Maybe, is there any other music festival that I really want to go to? I mean, have I ever had fun at a music festival?

• 6:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was supposed to go to this music festival recently. It was the Ocean Way Festival down the street in Santa Monica. The Killers headlining one day and Olivia Dean the next day. And when I tell you, I had just gotten approved for VIP, super VIP. The proper was doing the VIP. I had just gotten the email that said I was good to go for the weekend with a guest. And you know, there was deliverables and whatnot, but I was in. Three hours later, they canceled it. The whole festival, state of emergency, state of emergency. They're like, this hurricane, something, the beach is eroding.

• 7:18Rayna Greenberg?

  We're getting a little fast and loose with states of emergency, okay? Listen, I'm not saying the measles aren't like a big deal. And I was talking about this with you before, like 108 cases in like the, the packed city of New York City. That could explode, but like 108 of anything doesn't seem like a state of emergency to me.

• 7:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know what, Raina? I'm going to say that probably at the end of 2019 or early 2020, someone's like, there's only 108 cases of COVID. What could this actually turn into? Look at front of the tape on it. This isn't a big deal.

• 7:46Rayna Greenberg?

  I was an early COVID, make fun of her. Like, my brother was like, go get toilet paper. And I was like, grow up and stop being such a fucking baby. And I was wrong.

• 7:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  I never hoarded toilet paper.

• 7:57Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't think I ever hoarded it. I mean, we had plenty of it here in New York City. All right, well, look out for those musical performances and states of emergency.

• 8:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Or not. Those are rumors.

• 8:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Just live your life. So the big, the biggest premiere, biggest movie premiere, probably of the fall season so far. Verity, a Colin Hoover book that was readapted into a movie starring Dakota Johnson, Anne Hathaway, and Josh Hartnett, who rose from the dead. This is, so Ashley and I both read the book, loved the book. We'll tell you our thoughts on the movies. Overall, very interesting feedback and reviews coming out of the blogosphere, so.

• 8:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, Raina, before we get into it, I need to know how you felt about Josh Hartnett, all grown up and puffy.

• 8:41Rayna Greenberg?

  He just looked old to me.

• 8:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, I loved seeing him, though. That's a real deep cut. I have not seen him in anything since our twenties.

• 8:52Rayna Greenberg?

  What was the last thing we saw?

• 8:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know and I don't care. I'm not going to look it up. I want to just think of him as, what was he even in?

• 9:00Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know. I want to remember him as he was. He was a heartthrob. And now he's just kind of like, listen, he's still, I mean, I would hit it, but like, he just was.

• 9:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  No.

• 9:10Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought he was appropriately cast, I will say. I, I thought that him and Anne Hathaway were like, good ages for this role. Dakota Johnson, I thought, seemed, I mean, she's phenomenal, but I thought she's, I thought she was older than the original character.

• 9:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, I have my answer. The last time I remember seeing him was 2001 in Pearl Harbor.

• 9:33Rayna Greenberg?

  25 years ago.

• 9:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  My high school graduation year, Pearl Harbor in the theater. That's the last memory I have of him.

• 9:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Is he the husband that dies or is he the husband she gets with the friend?

• 9:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  She gets with Ben Affleck after Josh Hartnett dies.

• 9:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 9:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right? I don't know. Guys, it was 25 years ago. Okay, so let's hear what you think. Let's hear your thoughts on the movie.

• 9:57Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, this movie got kind of dragged. I mean, it got a 34% on Rotten Tomatoes by critics, I will say.

• 10:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 10:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, and I was looking through all these reviews before I went and saw it and, you know, there's, there's headlines from like The New Yorker, Verity is a criminal waste of talent. I went into it really open minded, being like, all these outlets are dragging it, but I think everybody likes to have a negative take because it's their hot take. I think everybody's like rushing to say something negative about everything all the time. I didn't mind it. It, was it the greatest movie I've ever seen in my life? No, but I thought it was like well casted. I thought the acting was good. I, I thought, I actually thought it could have been longer. What I felt that they removed was all of Lowen's backstory and you don't really know anything about the character, but like, was it an entertaining two hours? Yeah. I found it entertaining enough.

• 10:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  I liked it. I'm with you. I, yeah, I, I enjoyed it. I didn't love it. I loved the book, but not in a, it's my favorite book that changed my life and I, they have to get the movie right kind of thing.

• 10:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Uh huh.

• 10:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  I enjoyed it. I do like Dakota Johnson as an actress. People have mixed feelings on her. I feel like we've talked about, she always seems to play the same character, which is probably how much how she is in real life. I mean, if that was Sydney Sweeney, I would have walked out. Like it would, the movie itself couldn't have kept me in that theater if that was Sydney Sweeney's airtime, but I liked Dakota Johnson. It didn't blow my mind. I don't regret going. I think the trailer was completely misleading. I think the trailer made it look like a horror film. There were a lot of bloody mouths. That's their theme, I guess. A lot of blood in the mouth. There was like one good jump scare, but it wasn't scary.

• 11:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  It was sort of eerie throughout. And then at the very end, I feel like it picked up the pace, but there was a point maybe midway through where I was like, is this boring? Like it feels slow and like, I just love the story. I love the story. I love the book, but again, not too much. You know, I just was like watching this story that I love unfold. And so I was enjoying it and I liked the cast. So, I, I, but I'm sitting there, I went Mr. Shank and I'm like, would he be enjoying this? Like, is this too boring and too slow midway through the movie? But I was still enjoying it. It was this weird moment in my head of like, is this good?

• 12:22Rayna Greenberg?

  They kept overlaying all this really suspenseful music over parts of it that weren't suspenseful. And so I was like, is anything happening or is the, the music just creepy? Too much mouth stuff. Too much teeth stuff. I'm really creepy. Oh, too much teeth stuff. I just, it really grossed me out. I, and it is kind of long. And then it picks up steam towards the end very quickly. It was a pretty close adaptation to the book. Like they did not change that much.

• 12:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  The main thing they changed is that they had three kids in the book, but I had kind of forgotten that the first child that died, she sort of Verity blamed the second child. There was an allergic reaction. She had like resentment towards the second child that played into why she may have quote unquote murdered her. So, uh, people are saying that people who read the book enjoy the movie more. Again, it's like fans versus critics in like a real disparity that almost always happens and always happens with her. With Colleen Hoover's adaptations. So it would be like a 30% like on Rotten Tomatoes from critics and then Colleen Hoover fans would be almost double or more. So I found that interesting.

• 13:35Rayna Greenberg?

  I want to address what you said because there's a huge swing. So it ends with us got 55% from critics, 87% audience score. Regretting you, 29% critic score, 83% audience score and reminders of him, 56 critics, 87 audience. So it is like a huge swing.

• 13:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, exactly. I mean, and that's the thing. Like I wish I could watch this without knowing the book and give it a different review maybe. But it's just like, I like the book and I like the movie, which is weird because usually when I love a book, I'm more critical of the movie, but I'm just like, yeah, I like this. It's fine. You know, it's fine.

• 14:11Rayna Greenberg?

  That's what I felt.

• 14:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  I wasn't, I wasn't mad at it.

• 14:13Rayna Greenberg?

  I think I also like have enough distance from the book. I read it three and a half years ago. Like I don't remember it as much. If I just saw this as like a piece of art, I, it's fine. It's good. Didn't change my life, but I liked the story a lot.

• 14:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know what? I think that is the best way to do it when there's years between and it's not fresh in your mind. And so you know it loosely, the story, but you kind of forget what's going to happen. I think that's a perfect way to do it. I think I read this during COVID, Verity.

• 14:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, wow.

• 14:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  But maybe it was 2022. Regardless, it was years ago, but the major debate, and this happened after the book came out too, was which is real, the letter or the manuscript? So is Verity the villain and the manuscript was real and the letter was just a diversion or to throw her off the scent? Or is her husband the villain as is Lowen and the letter was real and the manuscript was actually just this demonic writing exercise? So I want to know what you think because I don't know your answer.

• 15:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I have just, I've racked my brain. I don't know if I have an answer. I've gone back and forth so much and like, I like either ending. I mean, I, it would be so sick and insane for somebody to actually feel those feelings that she wrote in the manuscript. That like she hates her children. She resents them that they took her husband away from her. I mean, it's so sick.

• 15:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. But what's sicker that or making it up?

• 15:32Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't, I don't know. That's weird. That's weird too. I really don't know, but like her husband's like a fucking weirdo too. He sees this girl get hit by a car and they're covered in blood. He doesn't mention that they're going to go to a meeting together afterwards. Like,

• 15:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 15:47Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm really torn and I wish I had a definitive answer. So you just have to tell me yours and maybe I'll pick, I'll take yours.

• 15:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, but this is why it's so good or so frustrating, but this is why, like that it can leave readers or viewers debating this for, forever. That's what makes it good. That's why you know she created something good. And I'm not some Colleen Hoover stan, but like this is good, you know, that we are even having this conversation. Josh Hartnett, I forget his name. What's his name? Has the husband? I don't, I don't care. Uh, we only know the women's names, but he's, he's weird too. He's, he's deranged. She murdered her. And Lowen was an accomplice. Like they're all deranged people.

• 16:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Uh huh.

• 16:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I want to, I want to believe women, but I think it's hard not to say manuscript when you have read the whole book or watched the whole movie painting that picture. I think it's really hard to change your mind at the end when you have watched it play out as if the manuscript is real the entire time. I think manuscript, I think all the signs are there that she is really twisted. The fact that she faked her own paralysis. She got a thumbtack pushed into her hand and didn't flinch. Like even in the interviews, this, what is, what is the deal with this old timey voice? She dresses like a first lady from the eighties.

• 16:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Very campy and weird.

• 17:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  She speaks like it's from a different time. Like she's not an authentic person. And so I think she's just the more twisted one. And that the manuscript is real, but everybody's fucked up.

• 17:15Rayna Greenberg?

  You're right. Everybody's fucked up. Also, a person that could fake their own paralysis could absolutely have felt like this towards her children, killed her child. Like she's crazy.

• 17:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Or made it up though, or made it up.

• 17:26Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know. I don't know. You guys, like, let us know what you guys think. Cause I am, I, it's rare that I just don't, I can't land on an opinion. I mean, I, I tend to lean towards what you're saying. Cause she is so twisted and fucked up. I mean, either way, she's super twisted.

• 17:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  And so, so is he though? Like he was dishonest. Like he sought Lowen out, you know, and then he just like married her and knocked her up. Weird as hell.

• 17:50Rayna Greenberg?

  And she was into it. When he admits to her that he sought her out, she got horny. I was like, I,

• 17:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, I would too. I would.

• 17:56Rayna Greenberg?

  I would, I would run. Maybe Josh Hartnett 2020, 2001.

• 18:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's not creepy if he's hot.

• 18:02Rayna Greenberg?

  No, but then like at the end, he's strangling her and then Lowen's like, this is how to do it. And you're like, wait, did you kill your mom? Like I had this thought of just like, oh, she's bad too. I don't know. Did they talk more about her being bad in the book?

• 18:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  I forget. And I know this was one of your critiques that we just didn't know enough about her backstory and she seemed totally innocent until she wasn't. And I'm just forgetting. I mean, I think they do allude in the movie to her having a fucked up childhood, right? And just bad stuff, trauma that kind of turned her into who she was.

• 18:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, that was kind of it. But then, I don't know. That's a leap to being a murderer, but you know, who's to say?

• 18:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, someone who didn't read the book is Alex Earl. And this was last week's headline, but we just want to discuss it on a bigger scale. Alex Earl came out and says she doesn't remember the last book that she's read. Maybe Dr. Seuss was her quote. And Raina, I gotta say, Dr. Seuss catching a stray. Like, the whole point of Dr. Seuss books is to get kids excited about reading. Like, he's like, I failed with this one.

• 19:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Also, by the way, the second book I ever read was Verdi.

• 19:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Raina, okay.

• 19:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Remember that summer I discovered reading?

• 19:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right, as someone who recently started reading. But I just feel like this could not be further proof of the literacy crisis. Like, this is one of the most famous people in America right now. She has her family has a show on Netflix and she has never read a book. Like, this is the embodiment of America. And it's fine. Like, I'm not gonna sit here and call her an idiot and drag her. You could read or not. It felt sad to me. She could have been exaggerating, you know? Like, I have to beg the question, why didn't she have to read a book in high school? Like, I think most kids remember, like, I had to read The Great Gatsby. I had to read To Kill a Mockingbird. Like, what happened in Red Bank, New Jersey to the Catholic high school she went to? I looked that up. I didn't know that just offhand. But I'm like, books? Don't you remember the books that you were forced to read?

• 20:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Or did you just not read them? Did you just read The Cliff's Notes? Like, I just think it's sad because there's so much joy in reading as a kid. That was my whole childhood. I got so many free personal pan pizzas from Pizza Hut because of it. And in adulthood, like, I don't know. I don't need to advocate for reading, but it's like, it makes you smarter. It makes you have things to talk about at dinner. It's enriching entertainment. Like, it makes you more informed. I don't know. Like, it's not a flex. And I'm not saying that she said that it was, but it just feels sad to me. And, you know, I think that our audience and our listeners love to read. And every, anytime we talk about books, they want more and more and more. And I know we have a really intelligent, thoughtful audience and that loves to read.

• 20:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I'm really proud of that. You know, I think that anytime we talk about books, I'm like, I love that that's who looks up to us and follows us. Because I just, I just, I don't know. I found this sentiment kind of sad.

• 21:00Rayna Greenberg?

  I found it sad too, but she is a business person and has done a lot. So it like, can't be true to me. Like, maybe she read books, maybe she means like, for pleasure.

• 21:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Totally. I mean, maybe we're thinking too much into it. I don't totally agree with your, like, she's successful, so she has to be intelligent and has read books. I don't know that that's a direct through line. But, you know, I mean, look who's the president. And I'm not comparing her to him, but, you know, you can go really far being unintelligent. And that is not a dig at her. That is just America, which we will talk about. I just think, like, Alex, like, have a book in the bank. Goosebumps, Fifty Shades, Colleen Hoover, like, Gone Girl. Like, have a book to say.

• 21:43Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't think it's true. And I do think it's a disappointing thing to say if it isn't true. If that's really not the case, that would make me sad also. Because I don't think it's like, a good thing to perpetuate, like, that you don't read.

• 21:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, now there's like a TikTok trend of like, I don't read either. And I'm like, stop it, girlies. Don't do this. Don't like, we don't need this. Like, oh, I'm just like, I don't read. I'm so dumb. Like, I don't know. I just think it's, I, obviously it's what women to be like, smart and informed and, you know, have enriching hobbies. And it's just made me sad. Like, that's where we're at.

• 22:19Rayna Greenberg?

  I have complicated feelings about it, about like, who we make famous in society today and the type of ideals that we prop up. But like, has she made all this money independently? Probably. Like, is it the dream to be an entrepreneur, to be an influencer? It's a lot of people's dreams.

• 22:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  It is.

• 22:34Rayna Greenberg?

  We always say you could prop up worse people.

• 22:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 22:37Rayna Greenberg?

  When I put somebody in front of my daughter and say, like, this is a role model. She doesn't read. But I was like, she's also a business person. I just, I have, I have the same feelings that you have, and it made me sad, but I have like, complicated feelings about it. And I know it was like, one quote, and it might have been taken out of context, but it really, I've been thinking about this constantly for the last week.

• 22:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I'm with you. This, I wasn't dragging her. I'm just like, it just, it bums me out. And again, yes, of course, we could have worse role models, for sure. So, you know, that's our feelings on reading and justice for Dr. Seuss.

• 23:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  But we do have more to say about this conversation, but let's just take a quick break to talk about our partners. I am telling you guys about NoCD. So for a lot of people, millions of people, it's not just anxiety. I think a lot of people have anxiety and stress, but OCD is a totally different thing. This is going to be those what-if intrusive thoughts that just take over your brain. It's not just the organizing stereotype. Again, it's persisted unwanted thoughts. They feel out of character, along with mental or physical behaviors you feel driven to do to get relief, even when it never actually comes. These thoughts can feel very real, which is what makes them so upsetting. It can happen a lot when you're dating and in your current relationship, with friendships, with work, whatever it may be.

• 23:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  But the good news is, it is highly treatable with the right kind of specialized therapy, which is ERP, Exposure and Response Prevention Therapy, proven to be the most effective treatment. And NoCD is the world's leading provider of OCD treatment, covered by insurance for over 138 million Americans. Licensed therapists specialize in ERP therapy in live, face-to-face virtual sessions with support between sessions. So you're never facing OCD alone. So if you are struggling with OCD or unrelenting intrusive thoughts, NoCD can help. Book a free 15-minute call to get started at nocd.com.

• 24:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, and Quince, it is fall. It's getting colder out. And if you want those pieces in your closet that you reach for time and time again, that stand the test of time, that are gonna be with you year after year through these seasons, I really can't recommend Quince enough. They make elevated everyday essentials. They use premium materials, so they have Mongolian cashmere. They have fantastic jeans. Ashley and I like the jewelry, the luggage. They have so much on the side if you're like, taking a little trip. And so much of it is timeless. So I have so much from Quince now, and it's just lasted me year after year, wash after wash. And as the weather gets colder, if you want a coat, if you want reasonably sourced down jackets or cozy cashmere sweaters, I have cashmere cardigans, I have cashmere turtlenecks, crewnecks.

• 25:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, we have so many colors of cashmere sweaters.

• 25:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  The silk and the cashmere and the linen and all the things. Also, watch this space for my new chairs. Their furniture is incredible. Raina, these white boucle swivel chairs, I want to get two and put them in my living room when I move. I'm obsessed with it. And every review is like, I'm obsessed with these. They're not too big, but they're like, deep enough. They look so comfy. Everyone's like, these showed up so quickly and they're just incredible. So check them out for any, anything you need, but in your home. I'm obsessed with the furniture and great prices.

• 25:41Rayna Greenberg?

  They have furniture, they have bedding, and they have stuff for your kitchen. And it is priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands. We don't know how they do it. Their prices are unbelievable, and I am constantly going to their site for new stuff. You can find the fall pieces you'll reach for the most with Quince. Download the Quince app for app-exclusive offers or go to quince.com. Get free shipping on your order and 365-day returns, now available in Canada and the UK too. And when Quince asks where you heard about them, let them know it was Girls Gotta Eat. It's the best way to support the show.

• 26:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, and I'm telling you guys about Redken, specifically the Redken Acidic Grow Full System. I have it here. There's literally a hair on one of these bottles because I just pulled it out of the shower because I've been using it. So I have the shampoo, the density and strength system for thin or flat hair. This smell, I could die. This is one of the, I think this is the best smelling shampoo I've ever used in my life. And I love the way it feels, I love the way the consistency and the conditioner as well. I feel like I'm having a pretty good hair day. I used this last night, washed my hair. And we have also the scalp and hair serum, which is really important to have a healthy scalp. We talked about this on an episode recently with a dermatologist, Dr. Mamina, and how important the scalp health is to your overall hair and the way that it looks.

• 26:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then the instant densifying spray. I can say with certainty that the second you start using these products, your hair will look and feel thicker and fuller. I've just been obsessed with it. And over time, of course, it's only going to improve. As we all know, hair can really just change the way you feel about your looks and your confidence. And I've talked for years about the issues that I've had with my hair shedding and thinning and breakage specifically. So I've really turned to this and I really, really love it. And I feel like my hair looks fuller, feels stronger, and I'm just loving these products. Raina went into Ulta and they were saying that like, everyone is buying these and they're so into them. We love the packaging. We really love everything about them. You guys, check it out. And let me know what you think about that smell, because I just gotta know if you feel the same way.

• 27:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  So you can visit Ulta Beauty to shop Redken Acidic Grow Full System online and start building your healthiest looking hair routine.

• 27:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, so Pete Davidson is back in the news. We can't get rid of him. He did an article with Variety and an interview. He covered a lot of stuff from being a father to what he thinks about influencers today.

• 27:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  We can play you guys a little snippet, but the thing that really got a lot of attention was him saying that there are these influencer girlies. But he was like, there's girls my age. He's 30. I don't know what that was about, but like, he was basically saying that all you're doing is like, come get ready with me. And they're making $40 million. It's exaggeration. A handful, maybe, of people who are just doing that type of content are making $40 million, maybe not even. People like Alex Earl exclusively.

• 28:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Who doesn't read books.

• 28:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, but yeah, the way he says it, he's just like, and who the fuck are you?

• 28:31Speaker 02

  Girls are just talking to themselves on there. And they're like, okay, come get ready with me. And I'm like, who the fuck are you?

• 28:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I just could not have hated the tone more. I felt like the tone felt like so much contempt for women. Like, this wasn't really a discussion about capitalism or wealth disparity. It was just like, women only. Like, there are also male streamers who are making millions of dollars. There was no smoke for them. This really felt like it was just targeted at women. And, and I just want to say that I feel like Past Pete Davidson's SNL days, the only thing that keeps him relevant is the women he dates.

• 29:20Rayna Greenberg?

  A hundred percent.

• 29:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Ariana Grande, Kim Kardashian, Kate Beckinsale, the list goes on. Like, his dating life, his heterosexual dating life centered around women is the thing that has made him famous and able to make money. And one final thing I will say about Pete Davidson is he has no room to talk about how women are making money, considering last year he made a million dollars, most likely, at the Saudi Arabia Comedy Festival.

• 29:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Insane.

• 29:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  He did a comedy festival in Saudi Arabia. Obviously, there was so much criticism surrounding it. How could you, how could you do this, knowing what the things this country does and what they stand for? And he's making money that way? The audacity for me.

• 29:58Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm with you. I, listen, to back up, I think it's an interesting discussion, just topped out generally, that like, yes, there are people making Get Ready With Me videos, and they do make millions of dollars, and it is fucking wild to me. But it is very much, don't hate the player, hate the game. I think these people have identified what works, and if brands want to give them money, then good for them. I don't know. Like, I guarantee anybody making forty million dollars, I guarantee anybody making a hundred and fifty thousand dollars as an influencer is working hard, is networking. Would I rather be doing that than sitting at a desk at Salesforce? Yes, of course. But somebody making a million dollars doing this is working hard. But outside of this, for Pete Davidson to be the person saying

• 30:43Rayna Greenberg?

  this is crazy to me. Like, he's out here. What, what has he done with his life that is so amazing, astonishing, good for society? You're, you're a comedian. I think that's hard. You and I think that's hard. But what has he done to move society forward?

• 30:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Comedy, I feel like, isn't even his thing. He's a, does brands. He was-

• 31:03Rayna Greenberg?

  He's an influencer.

• 31:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's an influencer. He did the ad campaigns with Reformation. He's doing commercials all the time. Like, someone did a mashup of all the brands he's worked with. He's doing the same thing. And to me, it was just the way he said it. It was, I swear, the way he said this statement, this bitter way he said it, looking like he does, was like the beginning of a serial killer documentary. Like, it just felt so mean. And I will say, like, I think one of the top issues plaguing this country is wealth disparity. Like I said, late-stage capitalism, money allocation. I too think it's crazy that a woman can make millions from a Get Ready With Me video, or a man can make millions playing video

• 31:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  games while teachers can't pay their bills. Like, why do you get to make ten, twenty, thirty times what a first responder makes talking to the camera on Instagram? Like, I think this is ass backwards. I find a lot of this sickening, and it's not to take away from whatever somebody wants to do with their life. And again, maybe that was his point, but it was the way it was said, and the way it was directed towards women only, and I just, it really gave me the ick.

• 32:09Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm with you. It really, I, I think a lot about who we decide to make famous, and how we allocate money to people, and what brands take their money and put it behind. But I would never in my life sit down and with my whole chest scream, who the fuck are you?

• 32:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's mad. He's like bitter about something. And so, the latest headline that came out was his ex, Olivia O'Brien, has, in light of all this, made a statement. She said, I was dating him in 2020 and found out we were no longer together by seeing a Snapchat that he went public with a more famous woman, LMAO. He is an absolute joke of a human being. But wasn't that also Kazee David's story too? That she was dating him, and they weren't fully broken up, and then she sees he's dating Ariana Grande in the press? Like, this man has this disrespectful history of, of datey women. I mean, they all have a story. We, you know, know things as well. And so, I just, this really fired me up. I've never really had a problem with him until I saw that.

• 33:06Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, I thought it was really interesting that he would be the person making this commentary. He dates influencers. He is an influencer. I tend to think comedians are the, are pretty open-minded with like, what you do with your life, how you make money. You know, I don't want anybody judging what I do for a living any more than somebody saying like, all you do is write dick jokes, because it's like deeper than that, and it's harder than that. He's just, it's an interesting person to be levying judgment against other people. And I think it's also funny, speaking of his exes, Kim Kardashian also did an interview this week, where she's talking about her relationship with Lewis Hamilton, and she says, I've been really single for the last five years, which is funny, because she started dating Pete Davidson in August of 2022, and they were together for nine months. And she was like,

• 33:52Rayna Greenberg?

  just so you guys know, that, that wasn't with him. That wasn't a relationship.

• 33:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, it's funny, because you talk about Kim, and when you watch Pete Davidson do this interview, you're like, who hurt you? Which influencer hurt you? It's like, Kim. Kim. You know what? And we've all been there. You know, in his defense, maybe he really got his heart broken by Kim, and he's just been wanting to drag influencers publicly ever since. But it was a tough listen, tough watch.

• 34:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Well, he's been dragged all over the internet, and rightfully so. Honestly, I thought he would know better, but here we are.

• 34:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, well, you know.

• 34:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Well, moving on to a movie that's coming out tomorrow, I'll just tell you guys a little bit about it, The Social Reckoning. This is a movie about, it's sort of the follow-up to The Social Network. Aaron Sorkin directed it. It's starring Mikey Madison, Jeremy Allen White, and Jeremy Strong as Mark Zuckerberg. And, I mean, the movie, maybe, I'll tell you about the movie, then I'll tell you about going to the premiere, because I just wanted to make you laugh. But the movie made me kind of sad. It's about social media, and how it's been weaponized against us, and weaponized against our stream of consciousness and our values, and how Facebook, Meta in general, has propped up all this really inflammatory content. They put a lot of money behind pushing that out to people, and they connect it to the insurrection, and people being really radicalized. And honestly, I found it to be like, almost, I thought it was an interesting watch and really well-acted,

• 35:09Rayna Greenberg?

  but a hard watch. And it comes out tomorrow. I recommend it. It's, it's just, it's a sad watch. It's just, it's a sad view of what social media has done to our lives, and done to really anger people. And anyways, I, I do recommend it. But I wanted to tell you about going to the premiere, because a couple of funny things happened. You and I have been to these movie premieres before, and basically, it'll be like, you know, there's a red carpet open for like, not the cast, from like, four to five, and then the cast is on the red carpet from five to six, and then the movie will start at six, and usually the cast will come out and talk to you. So, it was like pouring down rain. I was like, I just, I gotta get there a little early. So, I get there at like, four fifteen, four thirty, and I'm with our friend Alana, who's our publicist, and I walked the red carpet. It was like a really nice experience, whatever. But then you kind of, it's like a hurry up and wait situation, because you have to get off the carpet and wait for everybody else

• 35:54Rayna Greenberg?

  to walk before they start the movie. And it was pouring down rain, and it was like four thirty, and I was like, we have ninety minutes. Like, I can't leave this theater. So, we went to the bar at The Regal, which like, how big of a piece of garbage do you have to be to go to a bar in a movie theater?

• 36:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, it's funny that you said that, because like, when we went to Verity, like, I got a glass of wine. It's, every time we go to that bar, the one at the, at the Pride House is a little better than the one at the Marina. Like, we kind of like, like, like Shoshon likes the beer selection. I got a Kim Crawford.

• 36:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, yeah. Imagine going there ahead of time to sit at the bar for ninety minutes.

• 36:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm like, literally just picturing, being at the bar for ninety minutes. We're there for ninety seconds, hopefully.

• 36:35Rayna Greenberg?

  Exactly. So, Alana and I were sitting there. I'm in like, a really tight, nice outfit that I can't sit or breathe in.

• 36:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, a fit.

• 36:42Rayna Greenberg?

  These are funny, because like, most people wear what you'd wear to a movie, which is sweats. But the people that walk the red carpet, like, you get dressed up. So, anyways, I'm there. Then they decide to not start the movie until almost six forty-five. So, at this point, I'm at the bar for two hours. I'm pretty drunk by the time this movie starts. We go in, I'm sitting there, Julia Fox sits behind me, who's like, she's written one of my favorite books of all time. I'm such a fan of hers. I'm like, be cool around Julia Fox. I'm watching the movie, and that, towards the end, they are interspersed in clips of this trial with Mark Zuckerberg, with video footage of the insurrection, which was pretty violent and pretty graphic. And I became hysterical, Ashley. Like, involuntary, like,

• 37:24Rayna Greenberg?

  tears are pouring down my face, because I'm a little drunk, and also, it is just upsetting content.

• 37:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  And it's just ten years of trauma pouring out of you.

• 37:34Rayna Greenberg?

  It was really upsetting.

• 37:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, in one moment, you know?

• 37:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes. I'm in my little, like, Alice in Olivia fit. I'm crying, I'm drunk, and then Julia Fox is watching me cry. And then, the movie ends, whatever. The cast has to leave, the same way that you have to leave, outside of the theater. So, they come out. Aaron Sorkin is standing like, outside of the theater, and I see him, and all I can muster it with my glassy eyes and my tear-filled face is, your work is really important.

• 38:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  I love that, though. Oh, my God. He was like, this bitch was sobbing, and it really meant a lot to her.

• 38:08Rayna Greenberg?

  I was just like, I gotta say something. And he was like, thanks. Tears all over your face. But yeah, it was, it was a nice, fun experience. I drank a little too much. You're not supposed to really drink that much before a movie.

• 38:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, you're not supposed to wait for ninety minutes for a movie to start. Like, that's the thing with these premieres. It's, that's the worst part. If you want to walk that carpet, you got some time to fill.

• 38:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, you got some time to kill. And I was like, why didn't I bring an outfit? Like, why didn't I bring something? Anyways, that's my, that's my story.

• 38:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Well, yeah, I don't know. I think that movie's really going to affect me. I'm kind of in a weird headspace right now. I'm dealing with some stress in my life. So, maybe I'll just wait on that one.

• 38:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Go into it a little more sober and in sweatpants.

• 38:49Rayna Greenberg?

  But yeah.

• 38:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Um, okay. Well, you guys check that out. So we're just going to get into our headlines for you. So this is a headline I would have never seen coming. This woman named Krista Pike, who was the only woman on death row, I believe, in Tennessee. She was only going to be like the 26th woman, I think, executed even in the country. I mean, this just doesn't happen a lot. I mean, a lot of states aren't using the death penalty, especially like women. You just really don't see it. So there were two failed attempts to execute her via lethal injection in Tennessee. And she's currently hospitalized. By the way, what this woman did was horrible.

• 39:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like she killed this other woman. It was really sick. I had never heard of her before. And then I looked into it. She had a troubled past herself. She had been assaulted, all these different things. But she did kill this woman in a horrific way when she was 18 or 19.

• 39:44Rayna Greenberg?

  19. And she's been on death row since 1994.

• 39:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. She's just like in this hospital. Do they try again? And I need to know what happened between the first and the second one. What happened then? They were like, we're just gonna, we're just gonna try again tomorrow. Like now we know what's happened after the second one, but what happened between the first and the second one? And what is the legal ramifications for something like this? It's so crazy to me.

• 40:09Rayna Greenberg?

  But like, I don't know, the legal ramifications for what? Not being able to kill her? Or having to kill her three times?

• 40:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, because now this turns into cruel and unusual punishment territory. You know, like there's all these different aspects of this, but it's like, could you, you can't put her on trial again to give her the death penalty? Like, don't you have to follow her sentencing?

• 40:30Rayna Greenberg?

  I really don't know. I actually like, don't understand how anybody can even be on death row for 32 years. Like, that's also like, is this what we're doing taxpayer money? We keep people on death row for 32 years? I just have so many more questions.

• 40:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, there's a lot of cases need to be retried. I mean, it's really bad when you execute an innocent person. So I saw a comment that it was because Krista Pike is a redhead. So I looked into that and I was out with two guys this past weekend who are married to redheads. And we were talking about Rob's, one of them, Allison's natural redhead. Like when she was a kid, you could see. And then this other guy, one of his business partners. And I was talking about this and I was like, guys, I saw this conspiracy theory that she's was harder to lethally inject because she's a redhead. And they were like, 100% a thing.

• 41:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  100% a thing. And so I looked it up and natural redheads may require up to 20% more general anesthesia or higher doses of certain anesthetics compared to people with other hair colors.

• 41:39Rayna Greenberg?

  So they are wilder. It is a thing.

• 41:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, it's like an orange cat. You know, orange cats are just fucking insane. I don't know if you probably don't know this, but it's like such a thing. So I didn't know this. Like, I guess people always have like a crazy redhead stereotype, but I saw this and looked into it. And of course, they're not saying that's it, by the way. I don't want to perpetuate this conspiracy. They're saying all sorts of reasons why it didn't work. And then I also heard something that like the companies that make these drugs really don't want to make them anymore. So they're like, not what they used to be. I don't know. I've heard various things and seen various things, but I just think that the, I mean, you're probably pretty liable if you're making these types of drugs, but I just think the redhead thing is wild. So redheads fire up into those comments, no pun intended.

• 42:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  And let us know if you, like even something like Tylenol, maybe you need more, like any sort of sedative or painkiller. Isn't that crazy?

• 42:32Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, if somebody was going to survive this, it was going to be a woman and it was going to be a redhead. Like.

• 42:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  It was going to be Krista Pike. Like KFC did a video. It was like, this is the devil. This is the devil incarnate. Like, this is crazy.

• 42:44Rayna Greenberg?

  It's crazy.

• 42:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  This woman who did this heinous crime and you can't kill her? Wild.

• 42:49Rayna Greenberg?

  It's insane. All right. Well, stay tuned for the third attempt, you guys. We'll, we'll be covering this developing story.

• 42:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm just, I'm just curious. Like our legal system, like where does it go from here? Is she in a coma? It's really like under wraps.

• 43:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought she was in a coma. All right. Well.

• 43:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Well, speaking of somebody who did actually die is Ken Erker. This was Gypsy Rose's fiance. They were estranged. I think they were separated, right? So when he.

• 43:16Rayna Greenberg?

  They were not living together. I was a little confused about this. So he is the father of her child, right? But they were not living together. So I don't think that they were together.

• 43:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. So Gypsy Rose Blanchard, we all know, the father of her daughter died on his 34th birthday. And Raina, I just, I hear you saying Ken Erker in my head. Cause we have this clip and the way that Raina says, Ken Erker.

• 43:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Erker. I know.

• 43:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  I, the only reason I know his name is because of that clip. We did this whole clip where we said she should be the next Skims model. Remember that? People were like, people like that one. We're like, go off mama. You're killing it. But it's just, so this is sad. Like they have a child together. Gypsy's been through a lot. It sounds like he was, had a lot of demons, but the TikToks about it were one of the most times where I was like, I'm going to hell. Like people were using patient zero audio.

• 44:08Rayna Greenberg?

  No.

• 44:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  You didn't, I stitched this on my TikTok.

• 44:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I feel like I have a blind spot for Gypsy Rose. I just, I'm not in the culture the way other people are. Like I knew you'd have to take this one. I just, I'm not like you and Kim. I, I just, this is like a real blind spot for me. Like I can't, I can't get it through my brain.

• 44:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. So here's this, I stitched this because I was like, this is, it's, it is fucked up. It is, the comment section was like, we're all going to hell. And like, I screamed and I laughed and like, I feel bad, but you didn't see this? Okay. So.

• 44:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  And it says, Gypsy Rose's mom seen Ken arrive.

• 44:56Rayna Greenberg?

  It's a lot of bodies around one person. That song came out at the right time.

• 45:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. History would show that she is no stranger to getting rid of someone in her life that may have been a negative force.

• 45:13Rayna Greenberg?

  So people think that he, that she killed him. You know.

• 45:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, that's the whole thing that we were talking about the last.

• 45:24Rayna Greenberg?

  But like, people really think it, like people, Ashley, leave me alone. I just, I was gonna let you take this one. I prep for these episodes very hard, but I was like, Gypsy Rose is just, this is her. This is Ashley's lane.

• 45:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, this is sad. This is the father of her children. Like who's to say? But it's just like, I don't know. You know, like, I just think that's kind of what people were saying. But now I think people took it too far, like they always do. And she has launched an anti bullying campaign. So Gypsy Rose Blanchard.

• 45:55Rayna Greenberg?

  For herself.

• 45:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  So it says, before his passing, Ken experienced an overwhelming amount of online scrutiny and what we believe crossed the line into targeted harassment and bullying. So she's basically maybe saying that that played a part into his passing. I thought it was more like, stop making these TikToks, you guys. But that's a development.

• 46:14Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought it was, don't bully me so much. That's what I thought it was.

• 46:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's more about Ken. I guess Ken was, was bullied, but I do think this also falls in the camp of like, you guys gotta stop saying, I killed my husband. Like this has to stop. So anyway, yeah, people take it too far, you know? But RIP.

• 46:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Not us ever. We take it just far enough. Okay. Well, next up, Bachelor producers have sent a cease and desist to Chris Harrison, former host of The Bachelor for his new dating show, The Vow. Let me read you the tagline for the show, The Vow. The Bachelor, the women, the drama.

• 46:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  It says The Bachelor in it. Stop.

• 46:53Rayna Greenberg?

  There's also falling rose petals, a man in a suit, holding a rose, and a mansion. And they were like.

• 47:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  What are you doing? What are you doing?

• 47:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Connect these things. How could you?

• 47:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're never gonna know. They're never gonna know. Chris, they're gonna know. No, you said it's time to put all of this out to pasture. Like we have got to stop. Like if we are not getting Taylor Frankie Paul's season, The Bachelorette, this franchise has to end. I know we're not even talking about this franchise. We're talking about Chris Harrison's new show. None of, people don't want this, this format, getting married. Like it's, it's like, people don't care about it anymore.

• 47:28Rayna Greenberg?

  The premise of this on Fox Nation is one 30 year old bachelor, 10 women elimination style dating. There's an emphasis on faith, marriage and long-term commitment. I mean, like, this is so ridiculous. Yes. Like, can we just be done with this already? I mean, Fox basically said to The Bachelor, you don't own roses and we can do roses if we want to do roses.

• 47:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  What? The Vow said that?

• 47:51Rayna Greenberg?

  The Vow. Fox.

• 47:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  The Vow?

• 47:52Rayna Greenberg?

  The Vow was like, ABC doesn't own roses. We could do whatever we want. But I mean, it's, you guys couldn't come up with like any new concept. You were like, we're just gonna do the same concept. Maybe they're not gonna notice.

• 48:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're never gonna know. I can't wait to see how this plays out. Okay. So lastly, we just wanted to give an update on the Cornell case. We spoke about at length last week. A lot more has happened. There are more alleged screenshots, phone calls, all just really horrific stuff. But the positive news is that New York Governor Kathy Hochul named Letitia James as the special prosecutor in this Cornell case. So took off the prosecutor who was doing a terrible job and was like, leave this to the women. And that's what I love to see. We'll take it from here, guys. We'll take it from here. And let's let women prosecute every rape case going forward. That's what I would like to advocate for.

• 48:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  And so Letitia James has a long history with going after Trump and his fraud for years. And so obviously he had something to say. He said he felt bad for these Cornell rapists. But I think because of this, I think it was in response to this, because that's like one of his arch nemesis. I'm not defending it. He obviously does feel bad for them, like birds of a feather. But he responded to that and he's pissed about that. And so we love to see it. And let's let the women cook on this one.

• 49:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Good, good luck to her.

• 49:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, we love her. Okay, guys. Well, this is your snack. GirlsGottaEat.com, GirlsGottaEat podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok. Raina is Raina Greenberg. RainaGreenberg.com for her tour tickets. And also we have a show for the New York Comedy Festival. This is going to be Sunday, November 8. If there are tickets left, you can grab them. The link is in our bio on Instagram. You can also go to GirlsGottaEat.com and click on live shows. You can also go to the New York Comedy Fest website and search for us. Plenty of ways to find tickets. No excuse not to find it. And so we will see you guys there. We can't wait to see you. We're just gonna do a fun show, us and some comedian friends and have just like a fun, funny night out. You can watch full video on Spotify and YouTube, of course. Share this episode with a friend, leave a comment, let us know what you think. And we will see you Monday.

• 50:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Have a good weekend, guys.

• 50:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bye.

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