Pod Insights The Rewatchables ‘Fargo’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Kyle Brandt About this episode CR Month rolls on with a trip to the Twin Cities to revisit Joel and Ethan Coen’s 1996 crime thriller ‘Fargo’ starring William H. Macy, Frances McDormand, and Steve Buscemi.
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1:41 Chris Ryan? You betcha.
1:41 Bill Simmons? Chris Ryan. We're in CR month. How's CR month been for you?
1:45 Chris Ryan? I mean, it's a whole brave new world. I get to call the shots. I have the headset on.
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1:53 Speaker 05 Does it feel like you have the ring, Chris? Can you handle it?
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2:03 Bill Simmons? NFL offseason, always a good time to get you. We're gonna have some fun stuff coming over the next couple of months. When was the last time we talked? Dan, Dan, Arnold, Sly.
2:12 Speaker 05 Too long, buddy, too long.
2:13 Bill Simmons? Demolition Man's just sitting there for us.
2:15 Speaker 05 It's all sitting there. There's some that we haven't got to. But Bill, the headline here right now is, do you know that right now, this is the first time in my life I've ever been in the same room with Chris Ryan? Ever.
2:23 Chris Ryan? It's true.
2:24 Speaker 05 It's the first we've never met in person. This is it. And you know the kids talk about aura?
2:28 Chris Ryan? The energy.
2:29 Speaker 05 Come on, look at this guy.
2:31 Bill Simmons? Well, what better time than CR month?
2:32 Chris Ryan? It's Gary and Carl, right here.
2:35 Bill Simmons? A movie you've wanted to do for some time?
2:37 Chris Ryan? Yes.
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3:26 Bill Simmons? All right. Everyone has a favorite Coen Brothers movie. I asked you for a list a while ago. Hey, if you wanted to do a Rewatchables, send me 80s, 90s, 2000s. You sent all these lists. Really fun list, by the way.
3:38 Speaker 05 Thank you.
3:39 Bill Simmons? Lot of stuff that I like. We've done a few of them. Fargo is on the list.
3:42 Speaker 05 Yeah.
3:42 Bill Simmons? So why?
3:44 Speaker 05 So my headline is a hot take. It sounds like one. I think Fargo is a perfect movie. And I know we're gonna poke holes in it. We're gonna have some fun.
3:52 Bill Simmons? Tom Hanks said that as well.
3:52 Chris Ryan? Not a hot take.
3:53 Speaker 05 Is that true?
3:53 Bill Simmons? Tom Hanks literally said that. That was his take on Fargo.
3:56 Speaker 05 On the rewatch, see, I love hearing that. There's not, it's not only there's not a scene I don't love, I don't think there's a moment I don't love. There's not a character I don't love. It's one of the best scripts ever written. It's on the shortlist of best movies to not win best picture. It's terrifying, it's hilarious, it's romantic, it's violent, and there's a lot of great movies. I feel like it's a perfect movie and I say that fully believe in it. It's, I love that we're doing it.
4:21 Chris Ryan? Perfect movie, you know, if you do the big five for Oscars and it's the performances and you're like best actor, best, best picture, whatever. This one has the five tools. It's like best music.
4:31 Speaker 05 Yep.
4:32 Chris Ryan? Best shot movie, one of the best shot movies I've ever seen. Best script, one of the best scripts you'll ever read. And three or four of the best performances you're gonna get in a film. And it's so distinctly them while being part of like this amazing tradition of film noir movies from the previous decades. It's just an incredible creation into Kyle's point, man, you're watching this. Talk about a perfect game pitching performance. Not one scene doesn't have a point. Not one action doesn't have then a causal relationship to the next thing that happens. You know, and it's just so funny and so sad at the very same time. It's almost like the perfect distillation of what the Coens can do well.
5:13 Bill Simmons? 98 minutes.
5:14 Speaker 05 It's amazing.
5:14 Bill Simmons? We don't have Craig today in studio, he's coming in later.
5:16 Speaker 05 I know.
5:17 Bill Simmons? But Craig, the 100 minute rule, this is within two minutes.
5:19 Speaker 05 Minus two.
5:20 Bill Simmons? So when you say perfect movie, this is about as close as it gets. I, I think my favorite Coen Brothers movie is No Country.
5:27 Speaker 05 Yeah.
5:28 Bill Simmons? But it's like one A, one B, and it's hard not to watch this movie and think of No Country a little bit too.
5:33 Chris Ryan? They're very much in conversation with each other.
5:34 Bill Simmons? Yeah, and it's similar themes and it's a more blown out version of what they did here. The, the thing that's crazy here is it's like those, like those Greg Maddox games from the 90s where it's like, I threw a two hitter, I threw 88 pitches, I struck out eight, two guys got on base.
5:51 Speaker 05 Yeah.
5:53 Bill Simmons? And, and the game was over in an hour and 49 minutes.
5:55 Speaker 05 Maddox was throwing a fastball that's 88 miles an hour. This one also has Randy Johnson's fastball too.
6:00 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
6:01 Speaker 05 Like it's 100 plus. The, the runtime thing you can't get around. I just named six different genres that this movie is. You should need two and a half hours to fill all those genres. It is so tight. It's, I keep saying it, like every single scene I love. There's not a single pee break, there's not a single filler scene. You're like, all right, enough with this, this gets, every scene is the good stuff. It really, the perfect game analogy is what it feels like. It was like. I don't even know if they're ever behind on the count, you know, like let alone a baserunner.
6:27 Bill Simmons? Well, the controversial scene is when she runs into Mike from high school, but that seems really important.
6:32 Chris Ryan? It's hugely important. Yeah.
6:33 Bill Simmons? It's the whole reason she ends up going back to see Jerry.
6:37 Chris Ryan? It's that, it's not only is it plot important, but it's theme important because it's about the facade that all these people put up. It's about like Jerry with his suit and his pin and is like, yeah, I'm gonna sell you the true coat, you know? And it's like, but actually this guy, this guy's life is going down the fucking drain as you watch him on every single scene. If you know where Jerry ends up, this is why it's a great rewatchable, to watch Jerry in the first scene, in the first moment, every time he interrupts, interacts with Scotty, you're like, this guy is living a lie and Mike is too. And even though Mike is vulnerable, quote unquote, he's vulnerable about a complete fiction. You know what I mean? He's crying about something that didn't actually happen.
7:18 Speaker 05 You know how you know it's perfect too? Even the kid actor, it doesn't annoy me. The kid actors always annoy us. I think Scotty's good. Like he does his part perfectly fine. Even he is well cast and performs well. And I love, I mean, the Yanagida scene, we're gonna talk about a lot. It's probably my favorite scene in the movie. There's two schools of belief about this. There's this whole section of the fanhood that think it's hilarious because it's the most random scene in cinema history and serves no point. It's just a funny thing the Coen brothers wanted to do. Then there's the second layer. They're like, no, no, no, no. It's incredibly instrumental because after Margie sits with Yanagida, she starts thinking about being lied to.
7:53 Chris Ryan? Yes.
7:53 Speaker 05 And she knows that Jerry lied to her in the car dealership. I rewatched it again this week after reading that. There's two scenes of Margie just driving by herself. And she does some real face acting, Bill. And she goes like a little tiny Oscar winning thing where she's like, hold on a second. And then she's in Lennard's office all over.
8:11 Chris Ryan? That's right.
8:11 Speaker 05 That's amazing.
8:12 Chris Ryan? There's also a third layer to it, which I think I, I hadn't really thought about before. And maybe this is a little TV brain because you start to be like, what if this is what this is really about? But she dresses much differently to go meet Mike. She puts on makeup and like, most of her domestic life with Norm is like, all right, let's go eat the smorgasbord and let's go downstairs and watch a little TV. And I, but there, she's in Minneapolis at the Radisson. Like what, like, I'm not saying that she was gonna do something about it.
8:39 Speaker 05 Chris, I danced around a hot take about that.
8:41 Chris Ryan? But I think she wants to feel observed in a different way.
8:44 Speaker 05 She definitely does.
8:45 Chris Ryan? And I think that that's like, that's a third layer of a scene that is just like, not a throwaway, but is like a comic tragic move midway through the second act of a movie that then goes into this relentless overdrive.
8:58 Bill Simmons? Well, how about a movie that, where she wins best actress?
9:01 Speaker 05 Yep.
9:01 Bill Simmons? But we don't see her for the first 34 minutes of the movie.
9:03 Speaker 05 I know.
9:04 Bill Simmons? What a flex.
9:05 Speaker 05 Yeah, incredible.
9:06 Bill Simmons? It's, I, I don't know of any other movie that's taken that long. We've seen movies where the characters come in later.
9:12 Speaker 05 The best supporting actors, maybe.
9:14 Bill Simmons? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But not, not this, where the, the whole third of the movie is done. But it actually makes sense when she comes in because there's no case yet.
9:20 Speaker 05 Didn't you clock that watching it? When, when it goes to the Marge thing, I paused it too. And it's a, it's a painting, one of Norton's painting and they're in bed. I'm like, holy shit, we're just seeing Marge now and the movie's a third over. I did the exact same thing.
9:31 Bill Simmons? Yeah. So I watched this movie with, uh, my budding film buff, my son.
9:35 Chris Ryan? That's right.
9:35 Bill Simmons? Who knew nothing, like nothing. He was really excited that it wasn't a long movie.
9:39 Speaker 05 Yeah, that.
9:41 Bill Simmons? He got a couple woes, but then at the end of the movie, he just kinda did one of these and he's like,
9:48 Chris Ryan? I'm gonna chew on that.
9:49 Bill Simmons? What was that about?
9:50 Speaker 05 Mm-hmm.
9:51 Bill Simmons? And I, and I said, just sit with it. Sit with it. Let's talk about it tomorrow. It's like, all right, I'm gonna sit with it. And then we talked about it the next day and basically I think he, he kinda figured it out. I had to help him a little bit. You know, he was young, he's 18, but.
10:05 Chris Ryan? What did he, what was his conclusion?
10:06 Bill Simmons? It's just like, this, the whole point is that evil could be anywhere, even in the most simple place.
10:10 Chris Ryan? Yes.
10:11 Bill Simmons? You could have dumb, incompetent, normal, the, all these, all the stereotypes of people who would live in this part of the country. But you never know what could emerge and this is how it happens. And that's, I think what the movie's about.
10:24 Speaker 05 It makes me nervous that, that your son is on his phone while he's watching Fargo.
10:28 Bill Simmons? He wasn't. He was locked in.
10:30 Chris Ryan? You know, Ben's in a, in a, in a flow state right now.
10:33 Speaker 05 Oh, really?
10:34 Chris Ryan? Ben's like watching 2001 multiple times.
10:36 Bill Simmons? Okay, good. But I kept peeking over to make sure, but that this movie is so engaging.
10:41 Speaker 05 I know.
10:41 Bill Simmons? And it moves so fast. And even like, When they get the escorts and it's just, there's a scene, she's riding him, the other guy's in the other bed. Then they're watching The Tonight Show, we move on. It's like 20 seconds, but it's just trying to get so much done. I think if they made this movie now in the wrong hands, it's two hours and 20 minutes.
10:58 Chris Ryan? Well, I mean, I think you could see sort of a version of this in the series that Noah Hawley made that's inspired by the show, which is a lot of interesting stuff and a lot of like interesting expansions on some of the themes of Fargo. It's never really related, although there's some like cross, there's some stitching that goes back to Fargo. It's not, but it's not explicitly a remake or an extension of it. But it's, it's got a lot of filler. I mean, he's making like eight hour, 10 hour movies of each season. And it's kind of antithetical to the sort of what the Coens were really doing here. I think to your point about like evil can lurk anywhere. It's also about how some of the stories that I think that these guys are so obsessed with, the Hollywood gangster and crime films of like the 40s and the 50s,
11:44 Chris Ryan? that we always associate with New York, Chicago or Los Angeles. And it's like Raymond Chandler and a femme fatale and a kidnapping or whatever. It can happen anywhere. Like it's not the place that is the home of the, of the evil or the bad stuff or the crime.
11:58 Bill Simmons? It's not Hollywood in 1949.
12:00 Chris Ryan? People have it in them and they can be in a snowblown tundra or in downtown Los Angeles in the 40s. It doesn't really.
12:07 Speaker 05 You know what the Coens love? They fucking love A Big Case of Money. It's, it's, I mean, it's one of the lead characters in no country.
12:13 Bill Simmons? They love desks.
12:14 Speaker 05 They love that. The Case of Money shows up in Lebowski as the ringer. Like they love that.
12:19 Chris Ryan? They love kidnappings. Joel's talked about it. Joel clone talked about how it's just like, it's just an amazing dramatic conceit. Because it basically does a stress test on all the characters, both the kidnappers and the, and the victims of like, you're being put into a position and you have to consider things you never thought you'd have to consider in your life. How much is somebody worth? What would you do maybe to get over on somebody? What would you do with your partner who you're doing it with? Like all this stuff comes out.
12:45 Bill Simmons? Yeah, I wrote down some common themes from their movies. Let me know what you agree with.
12:50 Bill Simmons? Everyday people in increasingly crazy situations, which always works in a movie. Like even if you think about a movie like Say Anything, like her dad is involved. He's getting in trouble with, what was it, the IRS or the insurance?
13:02 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
13:02 Bill Simmons? Or he's stealing from the nursing home. And he's trying to cover it up. Like, they love that. The evil starting in the most simple, unassuming places, but also with some of the dumbest people possible.
13:14 Bill Simmons? It seems to be something they're attracted to over and over again, where it's like, can you believe these fucking nimwits?
13:19 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
13:20 Bill Simmons? But this is like, this is 30 years. This movie's literally 30 years ago.
13:25 Chris Ryan? Yeah, right now.
13:25 Bill Simmons? March 8th, 1996. But you think of the true crime shows, whether you're watching like a Netflix show, or even like those 2020 shows on Hulu. It's always these people that you're just watching going, why did they think this was gonna work?
13:38 Chris Ryan? And there's this prescient, the title card at the beginning of like, everything here is true except for the names, which we changed to spare them. But it's like.
13:45 Bill Simmons? Yeah, they made that up.
13:46 Chris Ryan? They made that up?
13:46 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
13:47 Chris Ryan? And like, people have gone through like old newspapers to try and figure out what case this is about. And then like, they've kind of let it linger. They are tricksters in that way. Like, they'll, they'll play around with the audience's expectations.
13:59 Bill Simmons? Couple other things though.
14:00 Chris Ryan? What do you got?
14:00 Bill Simmons? Somebody making a plan. You can't make a plan. Cause it's the old saying about, man makes a plan, God laughs.
14:07 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
14:08 Bill Simmons? They find humor in everything. Which I think, one of the things that I think has been ripped off from this movie, and I don't know, I don't know if it's fair to say ripped off, but maybe influenced. But like, I think of a show like Barry. Or even think of like The Sopranos, when they lost the Russian in the woods. Like, you can just see the Fargo DNA all over the place.
14:29 Speaker 05 Directed by Steve Buscemi.
14:29 Bill Simmons? Yeah, and I don't know if I fully realized that for a few years. But when we had Hader on that time, when we did No Country.
14:36 Chris Ryan? Of course.
14:36 Bill Simmons? And he was talking about, he basically like, he wanted to do Barry because of the Coen brothers.
14:40 Chris Ryan? I think that they especially shoot violence in a way that's, to me, it's almost unique. I'm sure there are other examples. But it basically confronts the viewer with both the like, high comedy and, and deep.
14:54 Chris Ryan? Deep trauma of violence. So you take, we'll get to it, but like the highway scene, the state trooper scene, which is kind of funny.
15:02 Speaker 05 Yeah.
15:02 Chris Ryan? And it's kind of funny watching him drive like a Keystone Cop after the guy and stuff like that. But it's also so sad and scary.
15:10 Speaker 05 Another hilariously funny part is the payoff of the ticket gate agent where he comes into the second one. Can I have your ticket? He just blows the guy's head off. That's a horrible thing and it's so fucking funny.
15:19 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
15:20 Speaker 05 That's why like, I have really vivid memories of seeing in the theater. Cause it was so unique and I just remember sitting there being like, I don't know any of these actors. Like I knew Buscemi because I was into Tarantino at the time, but like never seen Macy before, never seen. I didn't know them. And I remember people laughing so hard at different parts of the movie that were supposed to be funny. It weren't supposed to be. I just laughed as a 15 year old or whatever I was like, just feeling like totally unwieldy.
15:45 Chris Ryan? Yeah, like I don't get it, but it was awesome.
15:47 Speaker 05 What genre was it? But like, I'm seeing it again tomorrow.
15:50 Bill Simmons? You know what? So the opening credits. You could like, see, I was talking about how when they usually make movies like this, they're setting these cool locations and it's big, fancy lavish, whatever. And they do that in the beginning and it's just basically a, a, a truck that's towing something.
16:07 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
16:07 Bill Simmons? Coming out of a blizzard. It's the most mundane thing you could possibly see on a highway in Minnesota. But the way they shoot it, you think it's going to be this awesome dramatic thing.
16:15 Chris Ryan? But it's also.
16:16 Bill Simmons? It's like, oh, that's a car.
16:16 Chris Ryan? It's the, I mean, the music is gorgeous.
16:18 Speaker 05 Yeah. It's amazing.
16:19 Chris Ryan? The moment Jerry can't come back now, like he's given them the car. Now it's, now it's too late to do it. Once you set something in motion, you can't pull it back. And he tries to pull it back multiple times and it doesn't work.
16:31 Speaker 05 I got, I mean, I, I have that for great Jack Gordo, the first shot of a whole fucking movie. Like how perfect is that?
16:35 Bill Simmons? With the music.
16:35 Chris Ryan? And when it kicks in, yeah.
16:36 Speaker 05 Yeah.
16:37 Chris Ryan? You know, they, oh, go ahead.
16:38 Bill Simmons? Well, the only other thing I had was about how you could have the best plan ever, but bad luck. I think the coin flip, they really tied that into the most.
16:46 Chris Ryan? Yes.
16:46 Bill Simmons? You just never know. Like Anton Chigurh kind of nailed everything. He's throwing a no hitter down the stretch there. And then he just gets hit by a car. And that's it.
16:55 Speaker 05 Yeah.
16:56 Bill Simmons? Now his bones sticking out of his arm and he just fucked up.
17:00 Chris Ryan? They, when they make this movie, they're at the end of probably, or they're, they're sort of right at the end of one of my favorite runs in cinema history. They open first movie's Blood Simple, then they do Raising Arizona, Miller's Crossing, which is probably.
17:17 Speaker 05 Is that your favorite?
17:18 Chris Ryan? It's top two with Blavatsky.
17:20 Speaker 05 Yeah.
17:21 Chris Ryan? Barton Fink, Hud Sucker Proxy. Hud Sucker Proxy, kind of a disappointment commercially because they had Newman in it, supposed to be this big movie. So they're like, oh, you know, what are they gonna, and they go and make this movie for $6 million.
17:33 Speaker 05 Yeah.
17:34 Chris Ryan? It's an Oscar winner. It's a pretty big success relative to its budget. And then after that, it's Lebowski and O Brother. And it's like, one of the great runs of direct, for directors, I think, in, in movies.
17:45 Speaker 05 Mm hmm.
17:45 Bill Simmons? I was a slow burn with Fargo. I, I think it's a classic rewatchables example of, I liked it, but then it was a jump into, you know, and, oh, oh, oh, oh, all right. And then all of a sudden, I was like, I get this movie. It took me, sometimes the movies don't sit perfectly in your brain for a while. And this one, No Country was the other one for me that I just never liked.
18:09 Speaker 05 That took a while?
18:10 Bill Simmons? No, I never liked the ending initially.
18:12 Speaker 05 Oh, I didn't either. I still don't.
18:13 Bill Simmons? And then as I got older, I was like, I fucking love the ending, man. Tommy Lee Jones, like, he just, he doesn't want to be out there anymore.
18:20 Speaker 05 Yeah. I feel like we deserved to see Llewellyn's death as it transpires.
18:25 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
18:25 Speaker 05 We spent two hours with the guy. I liked the guy.
18:27 Chris Ryan? I know. It's a tough thing. It's like, the way, the way it is in the book and the way they shoot it, it's, it's, if we ever re-country, I would love to do it.
18:35 Speaker 05 The Coen has want to go to war for it. They don't like people disparaging the ending of No Country. I loved the movie. I, I wanted to see Llewellyn and how it, how it happened. I don't like that they took that.
18:43 Bill Simmons? What's the type of movie that they didn't make that you always wish, wish they could have made?
18:48 Speaker 05 They made almost everything.
18:49 Bill Simmons? Like, would you want to see their version of Roadhouse?
18:55 Speaker 05 They're gonna stand on the shoulders of Rowdy Harrington?
18:58 Bill Simmons? Their take on the Double Deuce?
19:00 Speaker 05 Yeah, I would like to see that. Yeah, I think I would like to see that.
19:04 Bill Simmons? Take on Cash? No, it really feels like they explored the studio space with all.
19:09 Speaker 05 The only thing I ever saw in the theater with my wife ever, we were just starting to date, and it was Burn After Reading. And, um, like, it blew both of our fucking minds. Like, we didn't know what we were watching. Like, really, really weird stuff. And there's a sex machine in that movie. And it's like, I, Brooke could hang with it. My wife, she was like, I thought that was funny. I was like, I'll marry. So I feel like the Coen brothers helped us out with that.
19:28 Bill Simmons? One thing they're good at, that is underrated, is sex and violence is so mundane in their movies. Where even in this, when they cut there, it's just like that escort's riding Buscemi the second time.
19:39 Chris Ryan? It's just so fucking good.
19:41 Bill Simmons? What did she say to him?
19:42 Speaker 05 I hear bells.
19:46 Speaker 05 Dude's like Angelo Dundee in the corner. Come on now, throw the jab, throw the jab, and he's loving it.
19:51 Chris Ryan? I've played a bit for Buscemi in What's Age the Best. It's almost a special Steve Buscemi category for me.
19:56 Bill Simmons? Great. So Joel Cohen said about the William Macy character.
20:01 Speaker 05 I hear bells. What is that?
20:05 Bill Simmons? I didn't know what sort of, there was some sort of role playing going on.
20:09 Speaker 05 I watched it on the planes today with subtitles on. I learned a lot of things I never knew before.
20:13 Chris Ryan? Role playing between the escort from the Jose.
20:15 Bill Simmons? Yeah, the dialogue that made me think there was some extra thing going on.
20:20 Chris Ryan? We can get to it. That's very funny. I didn't actually.
20:21 Speaker 05 I think she's really like in character doing something.
20:24 Bill Simmons? So Joel Cohen said about the William Macy character. They found interesting his absolute incapacity for even one minute to project himself into the future so that he might evaluate the consequences of the decisions he's made. There's something fascinating about his total inability to gain any perspective. He's one of those people who build a pyramid, but never think for a minute about it crumbling. And this is like, this is every true crime documentary. These people who are just like, no, I'm one move away from, and then I can get away with this. And it just, they're just making it worse.
20:55 Chris Ryan? I don't know if there's like a sort of super pathology that encompasses being addicted to something or being in incredible debt. But the way that every single thing is just like, I have to fucking put a Band-Aid on the gaping wound that I have so that I can then put my hand back here to stop the bleeding over here. And it's like the things that he doesn't care about at all are his wife and son. It's just the inversion of a real person.
21:21 Bill Simmons? I know.
21:21 Chris Ryan? Where he's just like, it's so incredible. And the fact that through all of that, he's still kind of selling cars.
21:27 Speaker 05 Definitely. He's moving product. He's the executive sales manager.
21:32 Bill Simmons? Jerry Lundegaard, hadn't totally happened for our guy Bill Macy yet.
21:37 Speaker 05 No.
21:37 Chris Ryan? Yeah, you know, Manette stuff, right? Like.
21:39 Bill Simmons? He tried out for a lesser role. I think he tried out as the cop who gets shot.
21:45 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:46 Chris Ryan? I think he's a detective in it. Yeah.
21:47 Bill Simmons? Or something, but he was in Mr. Holland's Opus the year before. He goes on this run of Fargo, Air Force One, and Boogie Nights all in a row. And by Boogie Nights, it's like, I love this guy.
21:58 Speaker 05 I know.
21:59 Bill Simmons? And it's somewhere in here that he becomes Bill Macy. And then when you just see him, you knew it would be a good thing. But I don't, I don't think it 100% existed yet.
22:06 Chris Ryan? When did?
22:07 Bill Simmons? I have a huge background with him.
22:08 Chris Ryan? When did Sports Night come on?
22:09 Bill Simmons? Late 90s.
22:10 Chris Ryan? Cause I always remember his end of Sports Night. That he does a one episode.
22:14 Bill Simmons? He's married to Felicity Huffman.
22:15 Chris Ryan? Yeah, he does like a two episode or three episode arc. That's like, I'm gonna save Sports Night from the network or something like that.
22:22 Bill Simmons? Favorite Bill Macy ever, or do you have something else?
22:24 Speaker 05 No, I mean, I, again, I just remember being in the theater being like, who the fuck is this person? He's like the best, this is the best actor I've ever seen in my life. And then afterwards, you know, he starts showing up with Harrison Ford in Air Force One. He's in Boogie Nights, my favorite movie of all time. My, my favorite part about Bill Macy in Boogie Nights is there's one part where Jerry Lender kind of comes out. And it's when he's on the driveway and he's like, my fucking wife has an ass in her cock in the driveway. I'm sorry, if my mind is not on the film machine, okay? And he goes that like, okay. It sounds just like Jerry Lindegaard. I was like, oh, that's Jerry. He came out. It kills me.
22:59 Bill Simmons? Are you giving me shit, Kurt?
23:00 Speaker 05 No, no, not at all. It's just the cinematography of the film.
23:05 Bill Simmons? That's my favorite Macy. What's your favorite Macy?
23:06 Speaker 05 Um.
23:07 Bill Simmons? Yeah, Little Bill's my favorite.
23:09 Chris Ryan? I would just say that Macy doing Mamet is my favorite. So whether it's homicide or Spartan, or I just think he's, he's one of the best deliverers of those, of that dialogue.
23:20 Bill Simmons? He has a nice little small parent part in Searching for Bobby Fischer.
23:23 Chris Ryan? Oh, yeah.
23:24 Bill Simmons? Something about his face, it's a one of a kind. It's funny because Buscemi's in this too, where it's just like these distinct faces that you can't compare to anybody else who's ever lived. Buscemi. I saw, I really thought about this. He's not that guy anymore by 96. He graduated because Reservoir Dogs, Mr. Pink.
23:45 Bill Simmons? I think he's, he's not a that guy anymore after that, but he does have this run of Fargo, Escape from New York, Con Air and Lebowski. Somewhere in there, he's just Steve Buscemi.
23:53 Chris Ryan? Escape from Los Angeles, right?
23:55 Bill Simmons? Escape from Los Angeles, yeah.
23:56 Speaker 05 Yeah, like after 94, my whole world was Tarantino. And so I would just watch The Rest of Our Dogs over and over and over. So when you see this movie and he's doing like Mr. Pink adjacent.
24:06 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
24:07 Speaker 05 He's got a gun. He's fucking bleeding. He's mad. He's pissed off.
24:10 Chris Ryan? What the fuck is wrong with you imbeciles?
24:11 Speaker 05 He's just so fucking mad. And I remember just telling my friends, I'm like, it's like Mr. Pink is back. He's so cool. I love it. I could watch Buscemi for an hour just screaming at that fucking TV. Just plug me into the ozone, baby, fucking shitbox, just over and over. I just love it. I can't get enough.
24:27 Chris Ryan? It's like you can watch this movie and it's like Macy, Buscemi and McDormand can all be the lead character.
24:34 Speaker 05 Yeah, they're the big three.
24:35 Chris Ryan? And I, I, I like found myself just like thinking everything Buscemi did in this movie was the funniest thing I had ever seen in my life. And the best, like he blew me away this last viewing.
24:46 Speaker 05 Yeah.
24:46 Chris Ryan? McDormand, obviously, like basically like this is a career maker for her and she becomes like a pretty significant star after this.
24:53 Speaker 05 Hall of Famer.
24:54 Chris Ryan? Yeah. But like this is like this time around, for some reason I was like mesmerized by Carl. I was like, this is so great.
25:00 Bill Simmons? You know what made, made sense when I read this and the research that I'd never known before that they wrote this for Buscemi?
25:07 Chris Ryan? Yes.
25:08 Bill Simmons? When you hear stuff like that, and usually some of the best work is when the director, writer person is like, I have this person in my head. Every line I'm writing is for Buscemi. My favorite for him is still The Sopranos.
25:20 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
25:21 Bill Simmons? His whole run that he had where he, he just was in full command of, of he was full Buscemi at that point. But I think this is his best movie.
25:28 Chris Ryan? Did you watch Boardwalk?
25:29 Bill Simmons? Which one?
25:29 Chris Ryan? Boardwalk Empire.
25:30 Bill Simmons? I never got into it.
25:31 Speaker 05 I did.
25:31 Chris Ryan? Yeah. Did you like it?
25:32 Speaker 05 Yeah, I did. We bailed after like three seasons.
25:34 Chris Ryan? Yeah, like it's pretty great in retrospect. Cause like, I was thinking about if Boardwalk was on now, it'd probably be like a top three show of the year.
25:42 Bill Simmons? They should just release it and pretend it just came out.
25:44 Chris Ryan? That's the thing is that like when these things pop up, whether it's like on other streaming services or whatever, like they'll get revival. And I'm like, damn, this is like really, really good.
25:52 Speaker 05 That was heyday HBO Sunday nights. Like you couldn't miss. I watched like three seasons. The greatest thing about his character Tony B in The Sopranos was like, he was really the only guy who would stand up to Tony.
26:02 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
26:02 Speaker 05 Tony and he he has this infamous scene where Tony's like brow beating him. He's like, you're crowding me like you're crowding me scene like back the fuck off. And that's why he was so cool. And then he just completely comes unhinged. Great character.
26:13 Bill Simmons? Dan and I have talked about this, that I I still think that's the best stretch of The Sopranos.
26:17 Speaker 05 I think it is too. I just rewatched.
26:19 Bill Simmons? Everyone is peak of their powers and they've just figured out the show.
26:22 Chris Ryan? But it's still.
26:22 Bill Simmons? They know exactly what to bring him in. It's just great stuff. And then McDorman, who's won three Oscars, all best actress and an Emmy and a Tony.
26:32 Speaker 05 Yeah.
26:32 Chris Ryan? What she won an Emmy for? I forget.
26:34 Bill Simmons? I don't know. It's in my research.
26:35 Speaker 05 No Grammy?
26:35 Bill Simmons? And a Tony. Um, and she's won three best actor Oscars. And the only other person who knew that is D D L.
26:43 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
26:45 Bill Simmons? Best research I could find for her. She once lived in an apartment with the Coen brothers, Sam Raimi and Holly Hunter.
26:50 Chris Ryan? That's great.
26:52 Bill Simmons? And somebody named Scott Spiegel, who's probably like, yeah, fuck.
26:55 Speaker 05 Scott Spiegel?
26:56 Chris Ryan? I got the screenwriter.
26:57 Bill Simmons? Scott Spiegel's like, I don't know what happened, but where's my Oscar? Cause Holly Hunter won for broadcast news. She won just five Oscars in the apartment, not to mention.
27:08 Speaker 05 That's a great blunt rotation too.
27:09 Bill Simmons? But um, it's funny. My favorite for her is still Almost Famous, but she did not even.
27:15 Chris Ryan? McDorman.
27:15 Bill Simmons? And she didn't even, yeah, for McDorman. This is what's your favorite?
27:18 Speaker 05 At least all my favorites are coming up Fargo. Like this is my favorite Buscemi even more than Reservoir Dogs or anything.
27:23 Bill Simmons? Wow.
27:24 Speaker 05 I I just think it's.
27:26 Chris Ryan? Is it your favorite Stormer?
27:28 Bill Simmons? See, that's that's a no for me too.
27:29 Speaker 05 That's a great question. Cause I mean, I have a feeling in a direction you might be going on that one, Bill. So I'm just gonna let.
27:35 Bill Simmons? I'm an open book. People know.
27:37 Speaker 05 There's a character named Dino Belden.
27:38 Bill Simmons? Yeah, people know where I'm gonna land.
27:41 Speaker 05 So it just got, it starts going like this.
27:43 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
27:44 Speaker 05 As great as as Stormer is in this movie, he's not directing snuff films. But yeah, I mean, it's it's my favorite all of that stuff.
27:51 Bill Simmons? Stormer is like, what could be worse than the guy played in Fargo? What about the film director? I guess that could take it up.
27:58 Speaker 05 Film is real.
27:59 Chris Ryan? But then they're still like, ah, we'll put him in Armageddon. It's he seems like.
28:02 Speaker 05 As a cosmonaut.
28:03 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
28:04 Bill Simmons? So Frances McDorman, long career, was married to a.
28:09 Chris Ryan? Joel.
28:09 Bill Simmons? Joel.
28:09 Speaker 05 Yeah.
28:11 Bill Simmons? And her three Oscars are not like major, it's weird. It's a weird.
28:14 Speaker 05 She's got three billboards.
28:16 Bill Simmons? Three billboards and then North Country?
28:18 Chris Ryan? Nomadland, right?
28:19 Bill Simmons? Or Nomadland, yeah, yeah.
28:20 Chris Ryan? Was it Nomadland?
28:21 Bill Simmons? Yeah, Nomadland, you're right.
28:22 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
28:23 Bill Simmons? So it's not like she doesn't have her, I don't know, like your big market movie. They're all, this is probably the biggest one, right?
28:31 Chris Ryan? I think that, yeah, she's.
28:32 Bill Simmons? This made 60 million.
28:33 Chris Ryan? She's got like Meryl Streep performances, but she never does like a Devil Wears Prada. Like there's not a top movie, there's not a Mystic River.
28:42 Bill Simmons? Almost Famous is probably the closest.
28:43 Speaker 05 She doesn't do Mamma Mia.
28:45 Bill Simmons? No.
28:46 Speaker 05 What's interesting about her too is McDormand, she's had huge gaps. Like she took a, like a seven year gap.
28:51 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
28:52 Speaker 05 Not long after this, I looked it up and it coincides with when they decided to adopt a child. So like she's just like, I'm gonna take seven years off.
28:58 Chris Ryan? I don't think she's done a movie since Nomadland. I mean, I think she's doing the next, or maybe Macbeth with Denzel Washington. Then she has the next Joel Coen.
29:03 Speaker 05 It's a waiting project.
29:04 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
29:05 Bill Simmons? She's on that rare list of actor where it's like they have something out and like, you have my attention.
29:11 Chris Ryan? Yes.
29:12 Bill Simmons? Which I think is probably a list of less than 10 people.
29:14 Chris Ryan? It's Dee Ellis, you know, it's Streep.
29:16 Bill Simmons? Streep's still on there for me.
29:18 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
29:18 Bill Simmons? I think Hanks is not on there anymore.
29:20 Speaker 05 Hanks was off, yeah.
29:22 Bill Simmons? I think Hanks is off. Cruise is off, like there's.
29:25 Chris Ryan? Jeffrey Donovan who played Bottles in Shark Island.
29:30 Bill Simmons? Shark, oh, ever the whole cast of Shark Island. I watched Shark Island last night, I was texting CR. It's just, it's, it might be my favorite movie of the last 10 years. Did Limitless come out in the last 10 years? Can't remember.
29:43 Speaker 05 By the way, McDormand also, Primal Fear, like in the fucking room.
29:47 Chris Ryan? Incredible in Primal Fear.
29:48 Speaker 05 She's with the video camera, like just getting it, showing the stakes. I think she's great in that movie.
29:52 Chris Ryan? She's also amazing in the Coen Brothers' first movie, in Blood Simple.
29:55 Speaker 05 Yeah.
29:55 Chris Ryan? She's.
29:56 Bill Simmons? So this movie, she's pregnant, there's an innocence to her.
30:02 Bill Simmons? There's some great fix, some of the best face acting. Even, she does some really good stuff in the, in the scene with her high school guy, Michael.
30:09 Speaker 05 The best.
30:10 Bill Simmons? After he puts his arm around and then she makes him go back.
30:13 Speaker 05 Oh my god.
30:13 Bill Simmons? And then she has that look on her face like.
30:17 Bill Simmons? This is gonna go for another hour now and I just wanna like set myself on fire and she's kind of that like frozen smile trying to see.
30:25 Chris Ryan? Everything she's doing is amazing.
30:26 Speaker 05 And when he says, I always liked you so much.
30:29 Chris Ryan? Just down.
30:30 Speaker 05 And it's so Mike, should we do this another time? No, I'm just down again.
30:33 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
30:34 Speaker 05 Like it's, she's awesome in that scene.
30:36 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
30:37 Bill Simmons? And then we have Stormar.
30:40 Bill Simmons? Stormare.
30:41 Speaker 05 Stormare.
30:42 Chris Ryan? Actually, I got him in, it's DeBansa, DeBansa.
30:45 Bill Simmons? Can we give him the, um, Sean Penn, I brought my own pack award for excellence on screen smoking now.
30:50 Speaker 05 I just wanna hear you guys talk about him smoking. All right.
30:51 Chris Ryan? This is one of the, the move that he does that is.
30:55 Bill Simmons? It's so hard to do.
30:55 Chris Ryan? There's levels, right?
30:57 Speaker 05 Go on.
30:57 Chris Ryan? And when you get introduced to smoking, it starts and it's like you're at a bar and you're like, I smoke when I drink. And then you start smoking, maybe you take, start taking smoke breaks. You smoke with coffee. You go outside, you get a break from work. It goes up another level.
31:09 Bill Simmons? This is a move when you start using these two fingers instead of this. That's like a graduation.
31:14 Chris Ryan? But when it goes up another level is when you either have a roommate or a partner who's like, we can smoke inside. Then it's a new world. The final level is when you smoke inside of a car with the windows rolled up.
31:26 Speaker 05 Unbelievable.
31:27 Chris Ryan? That's when you've given up. You are like, I'm just gonna be a full tumor. I don't care. We're never gonna let this smoke out.
31:34 Bill Simmons? Only an elevator can top it.
31:35 Chris Ryan? Exactly. And it's like Peter Stormare in this movie and Dustin Hoffman in All the President's Men.
31:41 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
31:41 Chris Ryan? Are the two guys who are like, I will smoke in the Pope's face in a closed locker somewhere. I don't care.
31:48 Bill Simmons? And he's doing something with the, you don't see it often with the lit cigarette where only the tail end is in his mouth.
31:54 Chris Ryan? It's right at the bottom lip hanging off.
31:56 Bill Simmons? It always seems like it's gonna fall over and it's not. And it's just, he's not even really smoking it and the smoke's just going into his eyes.
32:02 Chris Ryan? He cups it and the all time.
32:04 Bill Simmons? And then it goes through the nose every time.
32:05 Chris Ryan? Is when he flicks it out the window when he's going after the two witnesses and he's just like. Boom, and you're like, oh, man.
32:11 Speaker 05 No shit.
32:12 Chris Ryan? This, that's such a great little gesture.
32:14 Speaker 05 It's a great, as, can I say something as a smoking prude? Like, I just, um, the, the double nostril blow is always really cool to me. Like, that's like a reverse dunk or something.
32:22 Chris Ryan? Yes.
32:22 Speaker 05 I was just watching one battle after another, and Leo's doing them constantly down on the table.
32:26 Chris Ryan? Yeah, it's the De Niro Goodfellas slo-mo shot. It's like, he just blows it out like a dragon. It's amazing.
32:32 Speaker 05 If I start smoking, I'm gonna do a lot of those. I just, I've always thought that was cool since I was a kid.
32:35 Chris Ryan? It's never too late, Kyle.
32:36 Speaker 05 Definitely not. It's too late for the pod.
32:38 Bill Simmons? Still got time. Stormare, he, he actually uses it almost, it's almost like a lollipop. He's like Kojak.
32:44 Speaker 05 Yes.
32:45 Bill Simmons? Just kind of dangling from his mouth at all times. It's amazing. Um, as I, as I said, I love him and Dino Velva, but IMDb credits.
32:55 Chris Ryan? Okay.
32:56 Bill Simmons? If I gave you Stormare, Stormar, Stormare, Buscemi, Macy, who do you think is one, two, three for most acting credits?
33:04 Chris Ryan? Most?
33:04 Bill Simmons? Most.
33:05 Chris Ryan? Number one.
33:07 Speaker 05 I think Stormare has done a shitload of voiceover, and if we consider that acting, I would say that. But otherwise, I'll say Macy is, Macy has the most.
33:15 Chris Ryan? Well, Macy, I feel like, did like 10 years of Shameless.
33:17 Bill Simmons? Give me some, give me some, uh, give me some numbers. Give me your one, two, three.
33:21 Chris Ryan? I think Stormare is like showing up in like prestige TV shows for like two episodes still, like, I mean.
33:26 Speaker 05 So he's three digits.
33:27 Bill Simmons? Give me a total number.
33:28 Chris Ryan? Eighty.
33:29 Speaker 05 No, I'm gonna say like 135 for Stormare.
33:31 Bill Simmons? What do you have for Buscemi?
33:34 Chris Ryan? Fifty.
33:35 Speaker 05 Uh, seventy.
33:37 Bill Simmons? How about Macy?
33:39 Speaker 05 A hundred and five.
33:40 Bill Simmons? Final standings, Macy, 158.
33:43 Speaker 05 Holy shit. Way to go, Bill.
33:44 Bill Simmons? Buscemi, 199.
33:46 Chris Ryan? Really?
33:46 Speaker 05 Wow.
33:47 Bill Simmons? Stormare, 231.
33:50 Speaker 05 Let's go. That's, that's, I've never seen this sequel.
33:53 Chris Ryan? Do you need someone of Eastern European or Russian background to show up and be menacing for, um, an episode? I'll do it.
34:01 Bill Simmons? They were like John Wick 2. He's like, no more.
34:04 Chris Ryan? I saw there was an interview with Joel Kidman I saw recently.
34:08 Speaker 05 Joel Kidman?
34:08 Chris Ryan? And he was like.
34:09 Speaker 05 Swedish too, right?
34:10 Chris Ryan? He's like, the thing is, I bought a house in Malibu and now I gotta pay for it. So I'll, he's like, I'm available. Yeah. And I was like, I wonder if that's Stormare. Like, I wonder what his house is. And he's like, I will do CSI if it must.
34:22 Bill Simmons? Well, I think when you're banging out, like, like Dino Velvet's like four scenes. So that you're probably in the set for like five days, six days. So you can basically go from.
34:31 Chris Ryan? Sure. You can go from Dino Velvet right into, you know.
34:34 Speaker 05 Did you see in the research that Stormare has a band?
34:37 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
34:38 Speaker 05 Blonde from Fargo.
34:39 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
34:39 Speaker 05 That's what it's called. And I'm like, I, I listened to some Blonde from Fargo music on the plane. So I had a quick.
34:45 Chris Ryan? Metal, hard rock? What is it?
34:47 Speaker 05 Folk, folky. He plays guitar and sings though. Like it's.
34:50 Chris Ryan? Beautiful.
34:50 Speaker 05 I thought it was very, very, very cool.
34:52 Bill Simmons? We're gonna take a break and then we gotta talk about Roger Dinkins.
34:55 Speaker 05 Right, yeah.
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36:13 Chris Ryan? He is.
36:13 Bill Simmons? What's, what's your rankings with, you should do, release the power rankings like we do Ringer 100.
36:17 Chris Ryan? Well, we did this on Big Pick a while ago. We did the Deakins Hall of Fame. I would say my favorite thing by him is probably still assassination of Jesse James by a coward Robert Ford. Just in terms of like his cinematography in that movie.
36:29 Bill Simmons? So put him against Great Shot Gordo and everyone else. Is he in Mount Rushmore for you?
36:33 Chris Ryan? Oh, he's definitely top, top five or six. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. He's like Vittorio Storaro and Gordon Willis and yeah, William Fraker and Haskell Wechsler, but like, yeah, he's incredible.
36:47 Bill Simmons? Kyle, he used an Airflex 35 BL4 camera for this in case you were keeping notes at home.
36:52 Chris Ryan? Did Dino Velvet use a similar?
36:54 Bill Simmons? I don't know if he did. One thing I noticed the second time I watched this, um, by the way, great 4K Blu-ray.
37:02 Speaker 05 Sure.
37:02 Chris Ryan? Awesome.
37:04 Bill Simmons? Everything is white, the whole movie. And I, and I, I don't know if they did this, then they're geniuses, but it all leads to the wood chipper where everything's red. And it's like, it's white, white, white, white, white, white. And then boom, wood chipper, red everywhere. It's almost like the shining elevator. And I wonder like if they talk, I don't, I don't know how.
37:22 Chris Ryan? They've talked a little bit about how difficult, first of all, Deakins, the one day the sun came out when they were shooting, he was furious because he was like, this is breaking like.
37:30 Speaker 05 Is there a sunny scene like?
37:32 Chris Ryan? I don't, he probably masked it.
37:33 Speaker 05 Yeah.
37:34 Chris Ryan? Maybe at the dealership.
37:35 Speaker 05 It looks a little sunny because there's a lot of natural light in those scenes.
37:38 Chris Ryan? They talked a lot about problems with like shooting the horizon because the snow and the white sky was so much that you couldn't tell where the like land was done and the sky began. But I think it actually contributes to the feeling like you're on another planet when you're watching it.
37:50 Bill Simmons? Wide shots, white. It's one of these movies that just in your brain, you can see different scenes. I don't even know how we do Great Shot Gordo for this movie.
37:59 Speaker 05 That's why my selection is just the opening shot because it's just a fucking white out. And then a minute later, Lundegaard drives right past your ear and it's, it, it's like hitting a 40 foot three to start the game. It's the first possession.
38:10 Chris Ryan? I have a couple of nominees for Gordo, but the thing is, is that like the shot as they like kind of push in, or when they even first just like, they didn't move the camera that much.
38:18 Speaker 05 Right.
38:18 Chris Ryan? But the lighting and the way that you're introduced to Carl and Garrett that, at the bar, was at the King of Clubs.
38:23 Speaker 05 Yeah.
38:24 Chris Ryan? You're just like, I know exactly where I am. I know exactly what kind of dudes these are. They have six beers. They've killed in an hour already. Like, like, let's go.
38:32 Speaker 05 I know.
38:33 Bill Simmons? I had this for later, but could you have lived in this part of the country? And for how long?
38:38 Chris Ryan? I'd be a raging alcoholic if I did. Like then.
38:41 Bill Simmons? Cause I gotta say that bar, the King of Clubs.
38:43 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
38:44 Bill Simmons? In my twenties.
38:44 Speaker 05 In Fargo?
38:45 Bill Simmons? I would have been like, this is great. We're going here every night.
38:47 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
38:47 Bill Simmons? They got three pool tables.
38:49 Speaker 05 Long necks, jukebox.
38:50 Bill Simmons? Escorts. Sounds awesome.
38:52 Speaker 05 Yes.
38:52 Chris Ryan? Do you know what? I, Jacobi told me a really amazing story about going to a bar with Bill, I think in Charleston. I, sometime during Grayland or a while ago, and like, I don't know if you used to bartend there or just used to go there, but you hadn't been there in like years.
39:08 Bill Simmons? It was, yeah, it was in Faneuil Hall.
39:09 Chris Ryan? And you walk, Bill walks in with Jacobi and the bartender just like, looks up and it goes like, what'll it be, Billy? After like years away.
39:18 Speaker 05 That's what you want.
39:19 Bill Simmons? That was in Charlestown, yeah.
39:21 Speaker 05 Where everybody knows your name.
39:22 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
39:23 Speaker 05 What was it that you wanted to?
39:24 Bill Simmons? I mean, it explains a lot of my twenties.
39:29 Bill Simmons? I think I could have made it maybe two years without, then the weather would have driven me nuts.
39:34 Speaker 05 Well, also, if it was back in the eighties, like, there's not even any Timberwolves or anything. Like, that's, you know what I'm saying? The Vikings teams weren't great.
39:42 Bill Simmons? Gophers are really important.
39:44 Speaker 05 Really important.
39:45 Chris Ryan? Yeah, obviously.
39:46 Bill Simmons? But even like. That guy didn't even have a ticket first. Jerry.
39:49 Speaker 05 You kidding?
39:50 Bill Simmons? But what?
39:50 Speaker 05 He's insulted that he would even ask if he had an extra college hockey game.
39:54 Bill Simmons? Two Oscar, two Oscar wins for McDormand in the screenplay. Big shot Raj did not get an Oscar.
40:00 Chris Ryan? Unbelievable.
40:01 Speaker 05 It was pretty good.
40:04 Bill Simmons? Seven nominations, including the director. They did the thing where it was just Joel directing, even though both of them directed. And then I think at some point, they just, they just did so much good work. People were like, all right, fine.
40:15 Speaker 05 Who cares?
40:16 Bill Simmons? You can be both of you.
40:19 Bill Simmons? They always have this editor named Rodrick James.
40:22 Chris Ryan? It's them.
40:23 Bill Simmons? That's them?
40:24 Speaker 05 That's their name.
40:25 Bill Simmons? When they got nominated?
40:25 Chris Ryan? That's their pseudonym for.
40:26 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah, I think I read that. So they have a little group name for themselves to edit?
40:30 Chris Ryan? Yeah, it's, Soderbergh does this with, uh, it's Peter Andrews, what he shoots his movies, but the cinematography.
40:36 Bill Simmons? What would be your editor pseudonym?
40:37 Chris Ryan? Dino Velvet.
40:38 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
40:40 Chris Ryan? But it would be like.
40:41 Speaker 05 Mine would just be Machine.
40:43 Chris Ryan? Yeah, Machine.
40:45 Bill Simmons? So they don't went for best directing and they don't went for best picture because English Patient takes both. And it's an interesting best picture because Fargo, Jerry Maguire, Secrets and Lies and Shine, English Patient wins. I don't know if English Patient's winning that one a second time.
41:00 Chris Ryan? It's a great movie, but it was, that was Weinsteined out, I think.
41:03 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
41:04 Speaker 05 You know what's funny about that Oscars? I have a funny, that's the 69th Academy Awards.
41:08 Bill Simmons? Oh.
41:09 Speaker 05 Dustin Hoffman, I remember, walks out and he goes, the 69th Academy Awards, 69. And he looks down and goes, Jack is smiling. And they go to Nick, he's got this big shitting grin on his face. I like a little 69 every once in a while. What a curve.
41:24 Chris Ryan? Oh my god.
41:25 Bill Simmons? Different times.
41:26 Speaker 05 That was what they did. I remember vividly, I was 18.
41:31 Bill Simmons? Best Actress, McDormand wins.
41:33 Speaker 05 Yeah.
41:33 Bill Simmons? Beats Brenda Blethlin.
41:35 Chris Ryan? Mm-hmm.
41:36 Bill Simmons? Diane Keaton, Kristen Scott Thomas and Emily Watson.
41:39 Speaker 05 That's a nice crew.
41:40 Bill Simmons? Yeah. And then Macy loses for supporting to Cuba Gooding.
41:46 Speaker 05 Hmm.
41:47 Bill Simmons? Also, Ed Norton loses that year in Primal Fear.
41:50 Speaker 05 I also think this is the la, it's, it's the last year before they expanded to more nominees, or the first year when it was like 10 best picture nominees. Like it was right on the edge.
41:59 Chris Ryan? Uh, I thought that.
42:00 Bill Simmons? There was still five.
42:01 Chris Ryan? It was still five until 08 because they changed it for Dark Knight.
42:04 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. All right.
42:06 Bill Simmons? Macy, I think should have gone for best actor.
42:09 Chris Ryan? AWI for best supporting?
42:10 Bill Simmons? I think they put him best supporting, but I, I think he should have been.
42:12 Speaker 05 And who did he lose to? He lost to?
42:14 Bill Simmons? He lost to Cuba.
42:15 Speaker 05 Brad Tidwell.
42:15 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
42:16 Speaker 05 Do you feel good about that? I mean, Tidwell's great.
42:18 Bill Simmons? I think, I think he's incredible in that. Other people think it's a horrifying win in that we should redo it. Yeah.
42:23 Speaker 05 The Cuba win?
42:24 Bill Simmons? It's a polarizing win.
42:25 Chris Ryan? It's, it's also a testament. I think Macy in Fargo has stood the test of time. I mean, it's like he didn't get the, the statue, but I think a lot of people are like.
42:32 Bill Simmons? It'd be an interesting redo because I don't think.
42:36 Bill Simmons? I don't think Macy loses thirty years later.
42:39 Speaker 05 It would have been a significantly different acceptance speech.
42:40 Bill Simmons? But you also have the history of Macy, the last thirty years of work too, so who knows?
42:45 Speaker 05 That might have felt like, I don't know, Macy just showed up in movies like, we're gonna hand it to him right now. And who knows, Cuba put his time in a little bit.
42:51 Bill Simmons? Tidwell was a really, I love the Tidwell character. And that's probably my single favorite sports movie character.
42:57 Chris Ryan? Is that the only one that McGuire won?
42:59 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
43:00 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
43:00 Speaker 05 By the way, I believe that he was a professional wide receiver. Like, that's very hard to do.
43:04 Bill Simmons? Plus, we got Kush right behind you.
43:05 Speaker 05 Kush slash, wow, that's Kush right there.
43:08 Chris Ryan? Yeah, SMU jersey.
43:09 Bill Simmons? Cameron Crowe, that was his contribution to the studio. There's only three of them.
43:12 Speaker 05 Did Kush go to SMU? How the hell, I guess they paid him.
43:17 Bill Simmons? Seven million dollar budget, made sixty point six.
43:19 Chris Ryan? Where would Kush have gone in NIL is a great, great conversation.
43:22 Bill Simmons? Oh, yeah.
43:22 Speaker 05 Yeah, at Georgia, I guess, at SC.
43:25 Bill Simmons? So, made sixty point six million, released in VHS, Laser, DVD, Blu-ray, and 4K Blu-ray. The Fab Five.
43:32 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
43:33 Bill Simmons? All five of them. Inspired the TV series that CR mentioned. And then Siskel and Ebert together said best movie of ninety six.
43:41 Speaker 05 Fucking A.
43:41 Chris Ryan? They, they had the criteria orgasm when they reviewed this on their show. They were just like, this is why we go to the movies.
43:49 Bill Simmons? They did, they did a lot of like that.
43:50 Speaker 05 I felt the same way. They're right.
43:51 Bill Simmons? You could see Sean just lifting their shtick thirty years later. Lot of like movie celebration stuff. Sean's like, these guys could get me. Ebert, four stars. It rotates its story through satire, comedy, suspense, and violence until it emerges as one of the best films I've ever seen. Films like Fargo are why I love the movies.
44:13 Speaker 05 You mentioned that the DVD and all that. They also had this really fucking cool thing. When I was a senior in high school, I worked at the movie store in the mall. Like, I worked at Suncoast Motion Picture Company. And Fargo released this special version of the VHS where you would get a snow globe with a dead body in it.
44:30 Bill Simmons? I remember that.
44:31 Speaker 05 And it was like the hottest fucking item to get. And we had people lining up before the store would open and we had to like stock them. And they would all be gone in ten minutes. And I remember I got one and it was the coolest souvenir. It's like a bloody dead body, like the guy in the red coat. I don't.
44:44 Bill Simmons? That would be a good.
44:45 Speaker 05 It's an awesome snow globe though.
44:46 Bill Simmons? That'd be good for the memorabilia thing later.
44:48 Chris Ryan? Let's see, throw your weight around out there on eBay.
44:51 Bill Simmons? Well, one other thing with the releases. This was, this is a what's age the worst for this movie that they did the, it's shot really wide.
44:59 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
45:00 Bill Simmons? And when it was on cable for years and years with the square TVs, the pain and scan, it was really bad.
45:04 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
45:05 Bill Simmons? It really like hurt the movie from a rewatchability.
45:08 Chris Ryan? This is, you feel like you're watching like Warrents of Arabia sometimes.
45:10 Bill Simmons? Minnesota, yeah. Uh, all right, let's do the categories. Most rewatchable scene. We mentioned the opening credits. Jerry meets the kidnappers at King of Clubs. The most North Dakota dive bar possible. It seems amazing.
45:24 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
45:24 Bill Simmons? Like they, they encourage you to smoke inside of King Clubs.
45:28 Chris Ryan? I think you have to do it to stay warm.
45:30 Speaker 05 Excuse me, you're not smoking, sir. Can you please leave?
45:31 Bill Simmons? Excuse me, sir. You haven't smoked in an hour.
45:35 Chris Ryan? Almost every scene that those guys are in, there's like seven empty beer bottles, like somewhere in the shot.
45:42 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
45:42 Chris Ryan? Like even when they have Jean kidnapped, like at the safe house, there's like tons of dead soldiers lying around.
45:48 Speaker 05 I have a zag for this.
45:49 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
45:50 Speaker 05 I had it in my picking bits. I think it's a little bit of a hacky way that director show someone's drunk, that there's like six empty, I think any proud tavern, someone clears those bottles.
46:00 Chris Ryan? Sure.
46:00 Speaker 05 I think it is, is a little transparent. They do the same thing in Zodiac with those blue glasses when Downey and Billy got fucked up.
46:07 Chris Ryan? Like, yeah.
46:07 Speaker 05 Someone comes and gets those glasses. I think it is a little bit of a hacky way to show someone's drunk.
46:10 Chris Ryan? You may be overestimating the staffing of the King of Clubs. King of Clubs might have one guy, he's behind the bar and he cleans up once.
46:20 Speaker 05 This is what I wanted in response. I like it.
46:22 Bill Simmons? And the waitress was also an escort.
46:23 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
46:23 Bill Simmons? So she better had to just sleep for a half hour.
46:26 Chris Ryan? She's at the blue eyes.
46:26 Bill Simmons? That little room for her. Yeah, kidnapping scene. I love, she's knitting, she's watching some 80's game show.
46:33 Chris Ryan? She's like watching Wake Up Minneapolis.
46:35 Speaker 05 They're making holladazzle eggs in the, in the show.
46:37 Chris Ryan? It's also the fucking funniest thing in this movie might be them being like, and we're doing a riverboat cruise of the Nile this year. So you guys gotta sign up for that. I'm like, what? Can you fucking imagine going to Egypt based on a morning show being like, we're doing a group tour of the Nile? And like, it's such a perfect little throwaway bit.
46:56 Speaker 05 Where do you think the accommodations are on that trip?
46:58 Chris Ryan? I don't know, but it also is like so much of this stuff, cause they're from Minnesota, it must be shit that happened to them or something they show on TV.
47:05 Bill Simmons? The other movie that jumped into this was Young Adult, which is a movie that is very popular in the Simmons house with Shelley's. It's a Jason Raiman movie. She goes back home for her high school reunion. But she's still in love with Patrick Wilson. But it really ties into this whole kind of Minnesota, how just weird everybody is there.
47:25 Speaker 05 Well, also so trusting, like the strangest part of the home break in is that Carl comes up like looking like he went to Spirit Halloween and got home intruder costume like with a crowbar and and she just stands there watching him for a long time until he breaks the glass and then all shit breaks loose. Like you'd be losing your shit way before that.
47:40 Chris Ryan? I can't believe this is happening. Yeah.
47:42 Speaker 05 What is she doing?
47:43 Bill Simmons? So kidnapping scene, her face is great. It's a really like all of a sudden super, we're like, oh shit, we're doing this. I mean, this could be, what's our award for this?
47:52 Speaker 05 Dan Campbell.
47:53 Bill Simmons? Yeah, the Dan Campbell.
47:54 Speaker 05 Holy shit, motherfucker. That was fourth and 19.
47:57 Bill Simmons? The shower curtains is good.
47:58 Speaker 05 She's really good in that scene. She seems completely terrified.
48:02 Bill Simmons? What kind of finder's fee are you looking for?
48:05 Chris Ryan? We're not a bank, Jerry.
48:08 Speaker 05 One of my favorite.
48:08 Bill Simmons? What a terrible plan, by the way. What did you just think they were gonna give him $750,000?
48:12 Speaker 05 The dynamic here where Jerry has set off this felony abduction of his wife and it's like, oh shit, I might get some money. I have to call it off.
48:20 Bill Simmons? Yes.
48:21 Speaker 05 Is so clumsy and so stupid. It reminds me of like when I lose something around the house. Like, ah, fuck. And I order on Amazon for 60 bucks and then I find it and I go to try to cancel the order on Amazon. I'm like, no, it's too late. It's already shipped. God damn it. Except it's the abduction of his wife. It's so sloppy and so idiotic that he does that. And then it messes that up on top of it. I love that scene with Stan.
48:40 Bill Simmons? I'm putting the three together of this scene, him flipping out in the ice scraper is the next scene.
48:45 Speaker 05 Yes.
48:45 Bill Simmons? And then him coming home and rehearsing the phone call in the kitchen. It's all in a row.
48:49 Chris Ryan? I love how penetratingly cold it is, is always in the background of this movie, the ice scraping.
48:54 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
48:54 Chris Ryan? She needs her car to get a jump from Norm when she first leaves the house, like.
48:58 Speaker 05 That's Midwest living.
48:59 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
48:59 Speaker 05 I love the.
49:00 Bill Simmons? Well, you just came from that.
49:01 Speaker 05 Just came from it.
49:02 Bill Simmons? We're recording this right after the blizzard.
49:04 Speaker 05 Second one of the winter, two feet, all that shit. The first thing Jerry does when he enters King of Clubs is something he does like six times in this movie where when he walks into a room, he goes like this. He passes the speed a few times and like, that's Midwest living. The scrape off on the thing that is so relatable. Someone's gotten on the car and like, god damn it, I have to scrape the fucking windshield. And then he has his crash out, which is just so well acted and so relatable. I love it.
49:27 Bill Simmons? The criminals killed a cop and two innocent bystanders.
49:30 Speaker 05 Yeah, this is big.
49:31 Bill Simmons? Just keep it still lady, or else we're gonna have to, you know, shoot ya.
49:35 Speaker 05 Laugh out loud in the theater. Hilarious.
49:38 Bill Simmons? Really good unexpected murder followed by the, oh daddy.
49:42 Chris Ryan? Also, the Coens love a headshot.
49:44 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
49:44 Chris Ryan? That was a good headshot. This is like, it's always like, whoa, like it really stops you in your tracks.
49:50 Bill Simmons? Big time. I, slight nitpick, I don't know enough about shooting somebody from two feet away.
49:55 Speaker 05 Okay.
49:55 Bill Simmons? But Marvin in Pulp Fiction, like his head basically explodes.
49:59 Chris Ryan? Yes.
50:00 Bill Simmons? Would your head explode from that close, or would it just be the divot?
50:03 Chris Ryan? I think it's, enough happens to Carl over the course of the movie that I think like, he eventually like, like he suffers from some like random shot, shots and stuff like that. So.
50:12 Speaker 05 Yeah.
50:14 Bill Simmons? Marge, this is a quick one, but Marge interviewing the two escorts kills me.
50:18 Speaker 05 Fantastic.
50:19 Chris Ryan? Chaska.
50:20 Bill Simmons? He's not circumcised.
50:22 Chris Ryan? Funny little fella.
50:24 Speaker 05 The running joke of Buscemi being funny looking in a way they can't describe, that reminds me, you said they wrote it for him. Like they're writing those lines about how funny looking he is.
50:31 Chris Ryan? And you get that script, you're like, oh man, the Coen brothers wrote me apart. This is great. Oh.
50:35 Speaker 05 And everyone's just how weird I look.
50:36 Bill Simmons? I was wondering how that would feel if you're reading that. You're like, ah, fuck.
50:40 Speaker 05 Tough.
50:41 Bill Simmons? They, they're like, we wrote this for you, Steve. You're Carl.
50:44 Speaker 05 Even the prostitutes say how weird looking you are. Yeah, the whole movie.
50:48 Chris Ryan? The great thing about the, um, the hooker scene is also, sorry, the escort scene or whatever, is, uh, Frances McDormand has talked about how it's just written that way in the script down to the, oh, yeah, like, like, right, all the punctuation. It's like, so can you imagine those two brothers sitting there and then goes, and then the one hooker says this, and the other hooker says that, and then Francis says this. It's so funny to imagine them coming up with this.
51:11 Bill Simmons? We didn't, I meant to do this at the top, but we didn't talk about the accents and how that kind of shaped how this movie was, consumed in 1996. Cause it was kind of like an accents movie and in a way, it seemed like it was going to work against McDormand in the Oscars.
51:27 Chris Ryan? I actually had this for what was the most 1996 part of this movie is that. It's not necessarily the last time, but it is a time in America where different regions felt far away and culturally very different. And in the sense that like now,
51:44 Bill Simmons? Oh, interesting, because we don't have.
51:46 Chris Ryan? You can be like, I could find out like what the three best pizza places are in Minneapolis, St. Paul, like right now on Instagram and like watch people eat slices.
51:53 Bill Simmons? You could go in the King of Clubs Instagram.
51:56 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
51:57 Bill Simmons? Be like, guys, it's smoking night.
51:58 Speaker 05 I know.
51:59 Bill Simmons? Bring your own cigarettes.
52:00 Chris Ryan? This felt like when you were like, is this what it's like here? Like, is this what Minnesota is like and what North Dakota is like?
52:06 Bill Simmons? It's such an important point because I felt like in the seventies, eighties and nineties, the only way I knew where what anything was like was in TV or movies.
52:14 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
52:15 Bill Simmons? Like, I didn't know what like San Diego was like.
52:17 Speaker 05 Not a chance.
52:18 Bill Simmons? Or Denver. How would you know? Beverly Hills, right?
52:21 Chris Ryan? You'd see a movie set in Florida Keys and you're like, this might as well be set on Jupiter. Like, this doesn't look like anything I've ever seen in my life.
52:27 Bill Simmons? And then how cool the show or the movie was in the location shaped, like to me, Miami was the coolest city we had just because of Miami Vice.
52:36 Chris Ryan? You go to Miami, you're like, oh, okay.
52:37 Bill Simmons? Yeah, it's like, all right, it's fine. I had Buscemi braiding the parking lot guy. I have Shep beating up Buscemi. Let's smoke a fucking peace pipe.
52:48 Speaker 05 He has to get that in there, doesn't he? He's so proud with that, that line about the peace pipe.
52:54 Bill Simmons? I have the father-in-law getting killed just because it's, it's shocking. I got a real whoa from my son. No G, no money.
53:02 Speaker 05 Who the fuck are you? That the last couple of scenes Buscemi has, as an actor, you could just hear the coincidence. I'm like, you're done. You can't take anymore. I want you at a 10 out of 10. It's the phone call with Jerry.
53:13 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
53:14 Speaker 05 After he gets beat up by Shep. And then when he shows up and Wade gets out of that car, it is 100 out of 100 Buscemi. I'm not fucking around anymore.
53:21 Bill Simmons? Yes.
53:22 Speaker 05 He looks like, like a crazed dog and it's that pure, perfect Buscemi.
53:26 Chris Ryan? Fucking paper towel.
53:28 Speaker 05 I'm gonna kill you, I'm gonna shoot you, and he does. He's such a psychopath.
53:31 Bill Simmons? And he could do it in any movie, including one of my favorites, which we're considering for From Helma, domestic disturbance with Vince Vaughn and John Travolta. Steve Buscemi plays, get this, a scumbag who comes into Vince Vaughn's life.
53:43 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
53:44 Bill Simmons? But he just, he can break it out whenever he wants. I only have a couple more. I have the Eklund and Swedlund's guy. So I'm tending bar there at Eckelen's last Tuesday. That whole speech, it's just, he just rips off a monologue in a monotone.
53:57 Chris Ryan? And he's just like doing the ice and snow off of his driveway before more snow comes and hits it again. Yeah.
54:02 Bill Simmons? And I say, what kind of action? And he says, woman action. What do I look like? And I say, what do I look like? I don't arrange that kind of thing.
54:08 Speaker 05 Are you calling me a jerk? Last guy who called me a jerk is dead now and I know him from old age.
54:14 Bill Simmons? I think this might be my favorite scene.
54:16 Speaker 05 It's a great scene.
54:17 Bill Simmons? I fucking love this scene.
54:18 Speaker 05 So do I. And it's that weird like deputy in the SUV who has two scenes and then it's driveway guy.
54:22 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
54:24 Speaker 05 Can I, I think this is as good a time as any because it relates to the accent. I wrote down the, the five most Fargo people in Fargo.
54:30 Bill Simmons? Oh, yeah, let's hear it.
54:31 Speaker 05 Like just the accent, the everything. All right, at five, I have Jerry's manager at Gustafson Auto who's watching the Gophers game. You kidding? You named him already. And number four, I have the female cashier at the diner.
54:43 Bill Simmons? Oh, yeah.
54:43 Speaker 05 How was everything today? And Jerry's like, how are you doing? It's a huge laugh in the theater.
54:48 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
54:48 Speaker 05 And number three, I got driveway guy going crazy out there at the lake guy who's just kind of just sweeping his wet driveway with the hood up and everything, going crazy out there at the lake. And number two, I have our girl, the blonde escort from went to White Bear High School, go Bears. And then I think number one, we haven't mentioned him yet. I mean, Lou, Lou, the, the officer with Margie. All right, Margie. That, I mean, that guy is like a thousand on the scale. He is by far.
55:14 Bill Simmons? He's in the concussion protocol.
55:15 Speaker 05 Yeah, yes, that guy. Hey, Norm, how the painin's going?
55:19 Bill Simmons? Brought you some coffee.
55:20 Speaker 05 Yeah, that guy. You all right? He's the one who thought that was, the plate was DLR and then it was killed.
55:25 Bill Simmons? He's so stupid.
55:26 Speaker 05 I really agree with you. Police work there, Lou. He's the most Fargo guy in Fargo.
55:30 Bill Simmons? That's a good list.
55:30 Speaker 05 Yeah, thank you.
55:31 Bill Simmons? I'm trying to think if I would add anyone, but I think you hit everybody.
55:34 Speaker 05 A lot of fun ones.
55:34 Bill Simmons? Oh, you, I think you hit the basics. Marge goes to see Jerry a second time.
55:41 Bill Simmons? We talked about the Mike scene already. The wood chipper scene into the drive, which was an all time.
55:47 Chris Ryan? It's ax to the head.
55:48 Bill Simmons? Holy shit, we're doing this. Well, all of a sudden, we hear the wood chipper in the back.
55:53 Speaker 05 For a long time.
55:53 Bill Simmons? We have our pregnant hero, who has not been in any danger at all.
55:56 Speaker 05 And there's no backup.
55:57 Bill Simmons? In this movie and just has a gun.
55:59 Speaker 05 Yeah.
55:59 Bill Simmons? And she's creeping around and we know it's gonna be bad. And I'm prepared for anything at this point from Fargo, the first time I see it. Like, are they just gonna shoot her in the stomach?
56:07 Chris Ryan? All the deaths are so abrupt in this movie.
56:09 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
56:09 Chris Ryan? And it just, it gives you that sense of like, kind of, not the pointlessness, but how fleeting and we're just like bags of meat out here. And like, anything can happen to you in any way. We've followed Carl throughout this whole movie, being like, oh, is he gonna get away with it? Is he gonna get this?
56:26 Bill Simmons? Yeah, yeah.
56:26 Chris Ryan? And fuck, he just gets hit in the head with an axe.
56:28 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
56:29 Chris Ryan? And thrown in a wood chipper. That's what life does.
56:31 Bill Simmons? And then I have the three cent stamp, which I really like as an ending.
56:34 Speaker 05 That's a cute ending.
56:35 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
56:36 Speaker 05 I think that the second scene, we only get two with Margie and Jerry, is unbelievable acting by the both of them. Where Jerry does the, ma'am, I answered your question.
56:46 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
56:47 Speaker 05 I'm, I'm, I'm cooperating here. And she gets real pissed off.
56:50 Bill Simmons? What does she say? He gets?
56:51 Speaker 05 You have no call to get snippy with me.
56:53 Chris Ryan? Snippy with me?
56:53 Speaker 05 It's the only time Marge gets mad in the whole movie. And like, she's just super steely.
56:57 Chris Ryan? When he, when he runs off and she's like, he's fleeing the interview.
57:00 Speaker 05 And she's kicking an outside line on the fucking phone. That scene's amazing.
57:04 Bill Simmons? So you have Mike as your favorite scene?
57:06 Speaker 05 Mike Yanagida scene is my favorite scene. It's preempted by the Mike Yanagida phone call at 10:45.
57:14 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
57:15 Speaker 05 Once they establish who they are, there's this get, and then he goes, so how the heck are you? When they walk in and they go for that hug and Mike goes, oh, you look great.
57:26 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
57:27 Speaker 05 It's like, oh, Mayday, Mayday, get the fuck out of there.
57:29 Bill Simmons? Say, careful.
57:30 Speaker 05 Everything about that scene, I'm gonna talk about it later as well, is, it makes me so happy.
57:34 Bill Simmons? What do you have?
57:35 Chris Ryan? I, I think just for filmmaking purposes, it's the triple homicide in the highway.
57:39 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
57:40 Chris Ryan? Because.
57:40 Speaker 05 Outstanding.
57:41 Chris Ryan? You're like, oh, they got pulled over. I wonder how this is gonna work out. And you're like, that's not how I thought it was gonna work out. That also features one of my favorite, there are two shots that basically talk to each other. It's the shot of the two witnesses driving by slowly and they're like.
57:53 Bill Simmons? Yep.
57:54 Chris Ryan? And then it also happens when Macy goes out of the parking garage and he goes past the attendant who's been killed. So I just find that the entire movie jumps up and not.
58:04 Speaker 05 I think Stormare for most of the movie up to now is just like comatose. And then he snaps.
58:09 Chris Ryan? He's like, I'll kill three people for nothing, you know?
58:11 Speaker 05 And it's that shot you talked about where finally he's driving, first time he's ever driving and the flick and he's driving with the gun. And you're like, he's Satan. He's gonna kill.
58:18 Chris Ryan? Yeah. And then, and then like he's chasing them and then their car lights disappear. Just great.
58:23 Speaker 05 It's so cool. I love this.
58:25 Bill Simmons? I think that's the answer, but I think my favorite is still the guy's monologue.
58:29 Speaker 05 Yeah.
58:30 Bill Simmons? The.
58:31 Speaker 05 Yanagida.
58:32 Bill Simmons? Yeah. Doesn't use the word jerk. He calls me a jerk.
58:35 Chris Ryan? Oh, the guy on the.
58:36 Speaker 05 Yeah.
58:37 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
58:39 Bill Simmons? What's the most 1987 or 1996 thing about this movie? You can go either. Movie set 1987.
58:44 Speaker 05 For 87, Scotty Lundegaard's got a Whitesnake poster over his bed. And 87 is the year that that album came out and Here I Go Again was all, I mean, that's 87, March of 87.
58:56 Bill Simmons? I didn't even notice that.
58:56 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah. Oh, right over his bed.
58:58 Bill Simmons? Holy shit. I didn't notice it either. I noticed the accordion poster.
59:01 Speaker 05 Well, we'll get to that.
59:01 Chris Ryan? Is it Tony Catane or is it just a?
59:05 Speaker 05 No, it's, I think it's like the album cover.
59:07 Chris Ryan? Okay.
59:07 Speaker 05 But like that.
59:08 Bill Simmons? Honestly, one of the foremost important music video performances.
59:11 Chris Ryan? Here I go again.
59:12 Speaker 05 On the car. Yeah.
59:13 Bill Simmons? The tonic contain.
59:13 Speaker 05 That is 87.
59:15 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
59:15 Speaker 05 And so Scotty.
59:16 Bill Simmons? That's great.
59:16 Speaker 05 This, that's 87. The 96 for me is just what we've already talked about that. You could just say this was a true story and then we'll just believe it because they can't research it. It's like they.
59:25 Bill Simmons? Oh, good point.
59:26 Speaker 05 They like, uh, they Blair witched us kind of like, like this is real. Just trust us. All right. And it's not.
59:30 Chris Ryan? People are probably like looking at microfiches, trying to find like.
59:33 Speaker 05 In the library?
59:34 Chris Ryan? Yeah. Minneapolis Tribune. Uh, the only other one I had for 96 about this movie is, uh, six million dollar budget, 60 million dollar but box office. That's, that's the dream.
59:45 Bill Simmons? That's a huge win.
59:45 Chris Ryan? A 10x return on a modestly budgeted movie that you have creative control over that winds up becoming.
59:51 Bill Simmons? Raj and Jean just hugging each other in the theater. That's really all you want.
59:54 Chris Ryan? And us three nimrods in a, in a room 30 years later being like, yep, that's the best.
59:59 Speaker 05 Perfect movie, man. Perfect.
1:00:01 Bill Simmons? I had no ring cameras because we just catch everyone immediately.
1:00:04 Speaker 05 Yeah, I thought about that a lot.
1:00:05 Bill Simmons? I have faxing stuff. I have low-life criminals having sex in the same room in two double beds and then watching The Tonight Show?
1:00:12 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:00:13 Speaker 05 All right, so Bill, I had this-
1:00:14 Bill Simmons? What would be the show now?
1:00:16 Speaker 05 I don't Fallon? I had this underpicking this-
1:00:19 Bill Simmons? Nobody wants to watch Jimmy Fallon after having sex.
1:00:21 Speaker 05 Would you and another guy-
1:00:23 Chris Ryan? They're watching SVP.
1:00:23 Speaker 05 Oh, you're watching SVP? He's doing bad beats.
1:00:26 Chris Ryan? I think Scott Van Pelt's gonna interview Lamar after this game.
1:00:31 Speaker 05 Shout out to Scott, great job. Would you and another guy who you barely know be in the same room in two queen beds at the same time? Come on now.
1:00:40 Chris Ryan? It depends on how many times he's been to King of Clubs.
1:00:45 Speaker 05 I've never, never, I can't imagine. Wouldn't you at least go out for burgers and then come take a turn?
1:00:51 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:00:51 Speaker 05 Jesus Christ.
1:00:52 Bill Simmons? I've been in, I've been in this situation.
1:00:54 Chris Ryan? Have you?
1:00:54 Bill Simmons? Not all the way through.
1:00:56 Chris Ryan? Wow.
1:00:56 Bill Simmons? But there's a moment when somebody's got to-
1:00:59 Speaker 05 Get out of there.
1:01:00 Bill Simmons? Get it and go to a different place.
1:01:02 Chris Ryan? Taps out.
1:01:02 Speaker 05 It's also weird, like, you're both doing it at the same time, like, inevitably one finishes, is it a competition? Then you're going, they're stopping.
1:01:08 Chris Ryan? It's really, Carl also is like watching Garrett, it's really funny.
1:01:11 Bill Simmons? Well, there are two separate things. One is, would you want to be in the situation? Two is, would you want to be in the situation with either of those two guys in the other double bed? And the answer is a strong no.
1:01:22 Chris Ryan? It's so funny that they're like, they're doing a ransom deal, but they're also like, we're keeping expenses low.
1:01:30 Chris Ryan? Two girls, one room.
1:01:31 Speaker 05 He doesn't want to pay the four bucks for that parking.
1:01:33 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:01:34 Speaker 05 How do you think they decided who had which girl? Like, I found that a lot.
1:01:37 Bill Simmons? They both had type.
1:01:38 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:01:39 Bill Simmons? Their type was particularly a knockout, I would say.
1:01:44 Bill Simmons? The most 1987 thing about this movie.
1:01:46 Chris Ryan? Okay.
1:01:46 Bill Simmons? We did not mention yet. It's a Playboy in the bathroom reading rack.
1:01:51 Bill Simmons? When she's, when she's in the bathroom, the wife, as she's getting kidnapped, they have a rack of magazines-
1:01:56 Chris Ryan? Jerry has a Playboy?
1:01:57 Bill Simmons? Including Playboy magazine.
1:01:59 Chris Ryan? Maybe it's just for the interviews.
1:02:00 Bill Simmons? Magazine rack.
1:02:00 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:02:01 Speaker 05 That goes against type, I don't see him as that.
1:02:03 Bill Simmons? That was, when 1987, it was realistic.
1:02:06 Speaker 05 Definitely. Scotty must have loved that, too. That's huge.
1:02:10 Bill Simmons? What's age the best? We've mentioned a couple of things already.
1:02:12 Chris Ryan? I can do my run of Steve Buscemi here if you want.
1:02:15 Speaker 05 Oh, let's go.
1:02:15 Chris Ryan? So, what's age the best? Steve Buscemi 90's scumbag. Test Tube, the drug purity guy from King of New York.
1:02:24 Chris Ryan? Mink from Miller's Crossing, Mr. Pink from Reservoir Dogs, Mr. Sh from Things to Do in Denver When You're Dead, and Carl from Fargo.
1:02:32 Bill Simmons? Just all in a row.
1:02:33 Chris Ryan? Just an app, not in a row, but just throughout that decade, just played a fucking crazy scumbag.
1:02:38 Speaker 05 Who do you think was the scummiest of all of them? If you had like your number one.
1:02:42 Bill Simmons? I mean, honestly, probably this one.
1:02:43 Speaker 05 This guy's tough.
1:02:44 Chris Ryan? I would not want to spend a night with Test Tube from King of New York. It's, that's the, um, that's the like, go get me my Coca-Cola scene with Laurence Fishburne. Remember that?
1:02:54 Speaker 05 Carl's kind of pleasant, like he's trying to make conversation about the road, like he's a sort of human, you know?
1:02:58 Bill Simmons? Trying to do a podcast.
1:02:59 Speaker 05 Yeah, for a free, yeah.
1:03:01 Chris Ryan? Steve Buscemi with a woman riding him on top is just really funny and it's aged the best. And the idea of Joel and Ethan being like, what if this guy just really likes chicks on top? That's so good.
1:03:11 Bill Simmons? Just porn search.
1:03:12 Chris Ryan? He's never on top.
1:03:15 Speaker 05 It's true.
1:03:16 Chris Ryan? And Steve Buscemi being described as little and funny looking by multiple characters. And then the crowning achievement is definitely Carl taking a hooker to a Jose Feliciano concert.
1:03:26 Speaker 05 I love this scene.
1:03:26 Chris Ryan? Jose Feliciano, got no complaints. Telling her he's in town on business, but just a little of the old In-N-Out.
1:03:37 Chris Ryan? Before asking her if she's been to the celebrity room before. And then he asks her if she finds being an escort interesting.
1:03:46 Speaker 05 What are you talking about?
1:03:47 Bill Simmons? And she has this look on her face the whole time that's intentional where she's just like.
1:03:52 Chris Ryan? Oh, my God.
1:03:52 Bill Simmons? Like they told her like, can you make an uglier face? No, no, make it uglier.
1:03:56 Speaker 05 Do one more time, make it much uglier.
1:03:57 Bill Simmons? Have your chin into your neck. Yeah, that's it.
1:04:00 Chris Ryan? The best thing is when he's just like, waiter, the guy just fucking blasts him.
1:04:06 Speaker 05 And she says she's never been there because it's nice. You know, she's been with a client before.
1:04:10 Bill Simmons? Another one's aged about, well, we didn't mention the score, which was great, but, uh, in every scene they're in together, Marge and Norm are either lying in bed or eating.
1:04:19 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:04:19 Bill Simmons? They have no other interactions. We don't even see them like watching TV in the living room. It's just they're in bed or at a table.
1:04:25 Chris Ryan? She's like at night, like she's got the chips in between the two of them.
1:04:28 Speaker 05 Sleeping with food.
1:04:30 Bill Simmons? That's tough.
1:04:31 Speaker 05 The, the scene with them at that buffet, Jesus Christ.
1:04:34 Chris Ryan? Yeah, it's, it's, it's an incredible moment.
1:04:37 Speaker 05 They both are three plates deep. Now she's deeply pregnant.
1:04:40 Bill Simmons? Big plates, like plates you do in college when you have need for 24 hours.
1:04:44 Speaker 05 It's fucking lunch too.
1:04:45 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:04:46 Speaker 05 Even dinner.
1:04:47 Chris Ryan? This is the thing that I was thinking about. The two, two sides of this. One is he brings her Arby's.
1:04:51 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:04:52 Chris Ryan? Which I was trying to think of like the last time in my life that life worked in a way where my wife would bring me my lunch and we would hang out at my work at all. And then the other side of it was just like the amount of calories you're hitting.
1:05:05 Speaker 05 Oh, it's crazy.
1:05:05 Chris Ryan? At noon.
1:05:06 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:05:06 Chris Ryan? And like what happens to your body.
1:05:08 Bill Simmons? Swedish meatballs alone is like 2500 calories.
1:05:11 Chris Ryan? So much chicken fricassee and, and like.
1:05:13 Speaker 05 Like that's a cream stew.
1:05:15 Bill Simmons? I actually had all this.
1:05:16 Speaker 05 World War III dude.
1:05:17 Bill Simmons? I had all this written down.
1:05:19 Speaker 05 That's gonna be a terrible afternoon.
1:05:21 Bill Simmons? Cause obviously this is the big Kahuna burger award winner for best food to drink. The buffet.
1:05:25 Speaker 05 Oh, good.
1:05:26 Bill Simmons? Chicken and dumplings, chicken fricassee, fried toro and broiled toro.
1:05:30 Chris Ryan? Is this like a cod?
1:05:32 Bill Simmons? That's the only five things. There's more. Cause there's like potatoes and.
1:05:36 Speaker 05 She got a whole bowl of Jell-O.
1:05:38 Bill Simmons? Yeah, there's all kinds of shit in that buffet. It was like the fat buffet. Everything's high calorie.
1:05:42 Chris Ryan? The, the torte or the, what, what are you talking about?
1:05:44 Bill Simmons? It's some sort of Minnesota fish that's really smelly apparently.
1:05:47 Speaker 05 Okay, I, this led me, I struggled a lot in this movie with good hang. Like I, hard, like who I would wanna hang with.
1:05:55 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:05:56 Speaker 05 And I was like, I think it might be Norm.
1:05:59 Bill Simmons? It's Norm by default, but Norm's not necessarily a good hang.
1:06:01 Chris Ryan? I think good hang, bad hang is pretty easy.
1:06:03 Speaker 05 Norm.
1:06:04 Bill Simmons? We know that hangs.
1:06:06 Chris Ryan? Carl's the good hang, Gare's the bad hang. I would love to take a road trip with Carl.
1:06:10 Bill Simmons? King of clubs?
1:06:11 Chris Ryan? Get his, get his thoughts on Montana.
1:06:13 Speaker 05 Knows where the escorts are? Yeah, I guess so. There's a good side of him. I just had to find a hard time landing on Norm. Just too boring and like, when I watch him eat that lunch, like Jesus Christ.
1:06:23 Chris Ryan? He's a loving man.
1:06:24 Bill Simmons? He only gets locked in one time when she says he's got, she's going to Minnesota and he's like, Minnesota?
1:06:29 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
1:06:30 Bill Simmons? That's the only time he's even like leaning forward. A couple more would say he's the best. I like movies where there's the loser's son-in-law with the wealthy father-in-law.
1:06:40 Speaker 05 This is great.
1:06:41 Bill Simmons? And the guy's just shitting on him in all these different ways.
1:06:44 Speaker 05 He hates Jerry.
1:06:45 Bill Simmons? And he's like, at some point, he's like, well, I don't want to want Gene and Scotty to worry. And the guy's like, Gene and Scotty never have to worry.
1:06:52 Speaker 05 It's the coldest line in the movie.
1:06:53 Bill Simmons? Such a great line. Fucking just cuts his jugular.
1:06:55 Speaker 05 This could work out real good for me and Gene and Scotty. And he just slashes his throat. Like you said, he fucking hates Jerry. And the scene in the diner where Jerry's trying to be like, this is my deal. Wait, no way. You don't know. Like he, oh my God, he hates him.
1:07:08 Bill Simmons? I'm gonna do all this stuff to Zoe's husband. If I don't like whoever she marries, I'm gonna turn into this guy.
1:07:14 Chris Ryan? Zoe's gonna be fine.
1:07:14 Bill Simmons? Yeah, Zoe and Ben will be fine.
1:07:16 Speaker 05 I had this on Unanswerable Questions, like, what is it like if you hate your son-in-law? It must be really bad.
1:07:21 Bill Simmons? Pretty tough.
1:07:22 Chris Ryan? What would the son-in-law would be what pitching you on like a player podcast that you had to do? He's like, no, look, Bill, this is my deal, okay?
1:07:29 Speaker 05 This could work out real good for me and Zoe.
1:07:31 Chris Ryan? Her cousin feeds his own pod.
1:07:32 Bill Simmons? People think players podcasts are done. They're coming back. The Minnesota snapshot we get here of the Paul Bunyan statue, the accent, college hockey, crap bars, motels, buffets, bar girls, kind of sort of escorts. True coat being really important for your car.
1:07:53 Speaker 05 God, that's a great scene.
1:07:54 Bill Simmons? It's just a really good slice of life.
1:07:55 Speaker 05 We didn't even mention that scene.
1:07:56 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:07:56 Speaker 05 See, that's that scene with that guy pissed about the true coat. I love it.
1:08:00 Chris Ryan? I think it's Ethan Cohen says that is verbatim something that happened to him.
1:08:04 Speaker 05 Really?
1:08:04 Chris Ryan? Is like coming down to be like, all right, we finally agreed on a price. And he's like, I fucking slipped the true coat charge on you right under the last second.
1:08:11 Speaker 05 And they get it in.
1:08:12 Chris Ryan? Yeah, cuz he's like, I don't have my car anymore. And now I'm down here in the middle of the winter. Give me the goddamn thing. Yeah.
1:08:17 Speaker 05 The guy in the scene so badly doesn't want to swear and he goes, you fucking liar. And he's like, the wife's like, all right, calm down, calm down.
1:08:25 Chris Ryan? Jerry being like, I gotta talk to my boss, but yeah.
1:08:27 Speaker 05 He says he can knock a hundred dollars off that true coat. And guy, that scene's great.
1:08:31 Bill Simmons? I also have the accent stuff, which we talked about, but I think my favorite one is, "You're darn tootin'!"
1:08:37 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:08:37 Speaker 05 Oh, it's fantastic.
1:08:38 Bill Simmons? I don't know how you even write that.
1:08:40 Chris Ryan? Where do you guys think, this is an unanswerable questions, but just because of an accent thing, do you think Carl's supposed to be from Minnesota or is he from out of town?
1:08:47 Speaker 05 All right, so he knows a lot about Minnesota, including like where to get laid.
1:08:50 Bill Simmons? I'm gonna say outside.
1:08:50 Speaker 05 He knows all about the Glass ICS building. I think he's from the Midwest, not necessarily from Minneapolis. I think he's from the Midwest.
1:08:56 Chris Ryan? Okay, because he's like, oh daddy, when that guy gets shot in his lap.
1:09:00 Speaker 05 Yeah, that's a weird thing to say.
1:09:01 Chris Ryan? And he's just like, it's a weird thing to say. He also like, seems pissed at Jerry and Wade and people to be like, you guys are so annoying, like how nice you are. You think you're big time.
1:09:11 Speaker 05 What the heck you mean? Oh, it's so good.
1:09:13 Bill Simmons? So you think it's possibly from like Sacramento?
1:09:15 Chris Ryan? I don't think it's from California because he seems pretty used to the northern winds, but like I can see him from being like Peoria or Joliet or something.
1:09:22 Bill Simmons? Do you have any what's aged the best?
1:09:24 Speaker 05 Of all the, the, the language things, I like ending a phone call with, "Real good then," and hanging up. That's how they say goodbye in the accent, including the best part is when Carl's saying, "I'm gonna shoot you and your wife and all your little fucking kids in the back of the fucking head. Be there." And Jerry goes, "All right, real good then." And throws up like, I, I love ending a phone call that way, throwing the phone down like that.
1:09:44 Bill Simmons? One more break and then we'll do the rest of the categories.
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1:10:51 Bill Simmons? All right. Great shot, Gordo. We did it.
1:10:53 Chris Ryan? Got a couple. Paul Bunyan towering over the night sky.
1:10:56 Bill Simmons? Hmm, scary.
1:10:56 Chris Ryan? Looks a lot like Gare. Uh, the innocent couple driving by of state trooper's murder scene. Jerry going by past the parking attendant. That's sort of like them sort of going into danger that way is really great.
1:11:09 Bill Simmons? I got opening scene.
1:11:10 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:11:11 Bill Simmons? Ches Rockwell Brocklanders were best character name. Would you go Marge Gunderson or Jerry Lundegaard?
1:11:16 Speaker 05 I, I would go Shep Proudfoot.
1:11:18 Bill Simmons? Shep Proudfoot?
1:11:19 Chris Ryan? Shep Proudfoot's great.
1:11:19 Speaker 05 And it's, it's even great when that little deputy comes in, he goes, Shep Proudfoot, that's a name. Like they, they actually acknowledge how cool the name is. And when Marge says Mr. Proudfoot, it just sounds awesome.
1:11:29 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:11:29 Speaker 05 I love it.
1:11:30 Bill Simmons? What do you have for, uh, flex category here?
1:11:32 Chris Ryan? Oh, okay.
1:11:33 Bill Simmons? I don't have the kid cut it because we didn't really have a needle drop in this movie.
1:11:36 Chris Ryan? We did my, we did Sean Penn brought my own pack. I had the Rick Chichetti guard meat award for the most memorable death by a security guard or other bystander whom the movie treats as inconsequential. But we probably had a spouse and kids who loved us.
1:11:47 Bill Simmons? Great.
1:11:47 Chris Ryan? For the state trooper who gets top of the headshot.
1:11:49 Bill Simmons? Yeah. I mean, you could also go for the poor parking garage guy.
1:11:52 Chris Ryan? Sure. There's a lot of like.
1:11:54 Bill Simmons? Or you could go for the two kids who were just driving by and just trying to get away and they fucking flipped their car.
1:12:00 Chris Ryan? They could have just called this movie Guard Meat.
1:12:06 Chris Ryan? Otherwise it's Sean Penn. I brought my own pack award for Stormer.
1:12:08 Speaker 05 The, the state trooper is a great trooper too. He picks up on the bullshit and sees the tags.
1:12:13 Chris Ryan? Here's the, here's the.
1:12:13 Bill Simmons? Well, he shows the driver's license and only shows his picture and he doesn't even show.
1:12:18 Chris Ryan? He's trying to pay him off.
1:12:19 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:12:19 Speaker 05 Mm hmm. I mean, he's got the 50 hanging out about the top and.
1:12:21 Chris Ryan? He's like, I'll just pay for it here in Brainerd.
1:12:23 Speaker 05 Yeah. Want to be in compliance.
1:12:26 Bill Simmons? Butch's girlfriend award weak link of the film.
1:12:29 Speaker 05 This is tough.
1:12:30 Chris Ryan? Is there one?
1:12:31 Bill Simmons? I think people would put in Mike Yanagida.
1:12:34 Chris Ryan? Then they're not watching the same movie, isn't it?
1:12:35 Speaker 05 No, I mean, they're in the same language.
1:12:36 Bill Simmons? I think that's an important scene. I don't have a weak link.
1:12:39 Speaker 05 I, I think the only weak link could be if you're someone who is really turned off by graphic violence, like the wood chipper. I'm not that person.
1:12:46 Chris Ryan? That's good.
1:12:46 Speaker 05 You know, like if, if, like, I don't know if my wife would like the state trooper scene and she might be like, I don't like that movie because of that, but.
1:12:51 Chris Ryan? Or if it's too flippant, if there's something about the violence that doesn't feel like, wait, we have to sit with this.
1:12:56 Speaker 05 I mean, it's, it's so well shot.
1:12:57 Bill Simmons? I have a weak link that's really a picky nit, but it could, you could talk yourself into it. Like Scotty's just not curious enough of where's mom?
1:13:07 Chris Ryan? He's a teenager.
1:13:09 Bill Simmons? I know, but I was trying to think of my own son, if my wife just disappeared out of nowhere. How many days before he would have been like, hey, where's mom? What the fuck's going on? And why are you on the phone all the time? I think, I just think kids are a little more perceptive than-
1:13:22 Speaker 05 He asked like, are you gonna call the cops? Are you gonna call Stan? And like, he's nervous for sure.
1:13:27 Bill Simmons? I think the kid calls the cops. At some point, the kid's like, my mom's gone. I want, I need to tell the police.
1:13:34 Speaker 05 Cause he says to his dad, like, we should call the cops. And he's like, no, like, he's, he really like puts the-
1:13:39 Bill Simmons? The whole part about not calling the cops is a borderline weak link.
1:13:42 Chris Ryan? It's a very, I think it's a very compressed amount of time, too. I don't think it's like a week and a half of them like kicking around, really.
1:13:48 Bill Simmons? One of the lessons of this movie, call the fucking cops.
1:13:50 Chris Ryan? Sure.
1:13:51 Bill Simmons? That was the father-in-law's mistake. He's like, no, no, we can't bring them in here.
1:13:55 Chris Ryan? And Scotty, maybe be nicer to your mom, because you never know when she's gonna get kidnapped.
1:13:58 Bill Simmons? Yeah, true.
1:13:59 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:13:59 Bill Simmons? Come on, Scotty. Uh, what's aged the worst? We mentioned how they did the Blair Witch move. That was really all I had for what's aged the worst, because it just seems dopey now, because you would just Google and be like, this didn't happen. Why did these fucking guys do this?
1:14:13 Chris Ryan? I think as a character who has aged the worst, if you went into the future in the fictional world of Fargo, it would be Scotty, totally fucking orphaned, but-
1:14:22 Bill Simmons? Terrible.
1:14:22 Chris Ryan? Probably a multimillionaire, because he-
1:14:24 Speaker 05 He's in Wade's estate.
1:14:25 Chris Ryan? Inheriting Wade's estate. Yeah, so now he's running parking lots in all of Brainerd, I guess.
1:14:29 Speaker 05 Yeah, his mom's murdered, his grandpa's murdered.
1:14:32 Chris Ryan? Very dark guy. I would love to see Fargo two, just the Scotty Chronicles.
1:14:35 Bill Simmons? That's the guy.
1:14:36 Chris Ryan? Maybe he buys the Minnesota Wild, you know, like-
1:14:41 Speaker 05 That's good.
1:14:41 Bill Simmons? Bought in with Glenn Taylor and the T-Wolves.
1:14:43 Chris Ryan? I guess the only other thing that's aged the worst is, I personally don't really see a lot of hot buffets getting, getting used up recently anymore. Do you?
1:14:52 Speaker 05 I see them at the supermarket. Our supermarket has a hot food buffet. It'll be like a sweet and sour shrimp, and then like ears of corn.
1:14:58 Chris Ryan? It's always interesting.
1:15:00 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:15:00 Chris Ryan? But then I, I just always think twice about it.
1:15:02 Bill Simmons? I think middle America, it's still going.
1:15:04 Chris Ryan? Okay.
1:15:05 Speaker 05 There's a big spit guard factor there.
1:15:07 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:15:07 Speaker 05 It's very communal.
1:15:08 Chris Ryan? Even, okay, put it this way, smorgasbord style, like, it's all
1:15:13 Speaker 05 That's a gross word.
1:15:14 Chris Ryan? 4,500 calories.
1:15:15 Speaker 05 Per scoop.
1:15:15 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:15:17 Speaker 05 My age, the worst, was really jarring watching this. Do you guys now, like, do you sleep with your phone on your bedside table? Or is it away from where you sleep?
1:15:24 Chris Ryan? It's, it's pretty close.
1:15:25 Bill Simmons? I, I, I flagrantly don't listen to all the evidence not to put your phone near where you sleep. I haven't, like, within reach.
1:15:35 Speaker 05 I've done the work and it's like in another room. Margie being woken up by that phone next to her fucking face with an actual functional bell inside it, like, in the middle of the night, like, I, I wonder if, like, when Ben watched this, he's like, holy shit, like, that phone is so loud.
1:15:47 Chris Ryan? Oh, my god, yeah.
1:15:48 Speaker 05 And you don't even know who's calling. It could be an ex murderer, it could be some weirdo from high school. The fact that she just is picking this up in the middle of the night, like, I used to do that, of course.
1:15:56 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:15:57 Speaker 05 Because I was alive for that, but that's aged terribly.
1:15:59 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:15:59 Speaker 05 At least I lived that way.
1:16:00 Chris Ryan? Not being able to turn your ringer off, but also see who called. It's crazy.
1:16:03 Speaker 05 And if you took the phone off the hook, and it, it, it would be
1:16:05 Chris Ryan? Yeah, she's probably one of, you know, a dozen cops in, like, a certain area in Brainerd, so she's gotta have the phone on.
1:16:11 Bill Simmons? The buffet for lunch was a good call, C R, as a Woodstage the worst.
1:16:15 Speaker 05 When you said smorgasbord, my mouth dried up a little bit.
1:16:17 Chris Ryan? Yeah, it's just like, I just, I, I just very rarely come across somebody who's like, I gotta hit this chicken fricassee and meatballs before I get back to the afternoon part of my job.
1:16:25 Speaker 05 Get some potato salad, dude.
1:16:27 Bill Simmons? When I worked for Kimmel Show, we used to have, like, we'd write, we'd have this big lunch that they would cater every day.
1:16:33 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:16:33 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:16:33 Bill Simmons? They'd bring in, like, Italian, and people would be like, oh, we should get Thai today, or Zanku chicken, and get all this food, and we would all, like, overeat. And then it's like, all right, time to write jokes, and we'd all be like,
1:16:42 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:16:43 Bill Simmons? Like, all right.
1:16:44 Chris Ryan? You don't even eat, like, before we do a live show, like, it'll be 8 P M.
1:16:48 Bill Simmons? Oh, yeah, I won't eat for, like, five hours, four.
1:16:49 Chris Ryan? Pure hot water.
1:16:50 Bill Simmons? So then, I was like, we gotta stop eating so heavy before we do jo, like, we should get healthier stuff. Everybody was so fucking mad at me.
1:16:58 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:16:58 Bill Simmons? It's like, fucking Simmons, dude, East Coast shit. Wanted to get salads. Fuck you. Like, they wanted sandwiches and that stuff. But I was thinking about that when I was watching that buffet of just eating a Swedish meatball.
1:17:11 Speaker 05 I know.
1:17:12 Bill Simmons? At 12:30 in the afternoon. I wouldn't be able to function after that. Hans Gruber scale villain ranking. We'll do Stormar, I guess, for this.
1:17:20 Chris Ryan? How would you rank the villains in this movie, though? Is Jerry the most evil person in this movie?
1:17:26 Bill Simmons? Hmm. I had this in Unanswerable Questions. Is he the worst person in the movie?
1:17:30 Speaker 05 He does the most evil thing.
1:17:31 Bill Simmons? I actually think he is, because he doesn't care about his son at all.
1:17:34 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:17:34 Bill Simmons? He has stuff to actually care about and doesn't. His wife and his son, he's just there fucking disposable for some weird play.
1:17:40 Speaker 05 Stormare is just like a sociopath. He doesn't feel anything. But I think Lundegaard is the most despicable character by far.
1:17:46 Chris Ryan? So in some ways, he's like the biggest villain in the movie.
1:17:48 Bill Simmons? So what ranking would you give him?
1:17:51 Chris Ryan? I'd have like zero to Gruber.
1:17:53 Bill Simmons? Yeah, like an eight?
1:17:54 Speaker 05 He's also the biggest pussy because...
1:17:56 Chris Ryan? Yeah, I'd give him more of a Simon Gruber, like a little bit below a Simon Gruber. Oh, Simon Gruber. Like a seven, eight. Yeah.
1:18:00 Speaker 05 He, like, in, they call him out in the first scene. He won't even ask his wife or the father-in-law for the money.
1:18:05 Chris Ryan? Oh, when they, when they catch him in the hotel room and he's just like, ah.
1:18:08 Speaker 05 Oh, my God. Isn't that great?
1:18:09 Chris Ryan? Screaming like a baby. Yeah.
1:18:10 Bill Simmons? No. He's fresh fish in prison.
1:18:12 Speaker 05 How do you think Lundegaard's gonna do in prison?
1:18:14 Chris Ryan? Fargo two, shock collar.
1:18:16 Speaker 05 Lundegaard's done. Jesus, Lundegaard in prison, it'd be a five-second movie.
1:18:19 Bill Simmons? He's not making friends with the skinheads to try to survive. He's just getting killed.
1:18:24 Bill Simmons? Ruffalo Hannah Ribbick Partridge over acting award. I didn't have anybody for this.
1:18:27 Chris Ryan? It's hard to give it to this movie because everybody's...
1:18:28 Speaker 05 That guy's so good.
1:18:29 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:18:29 Speaker 05 I mean, you want to give it to Yanagida? No. Like, he's spectacular.
1:18:33 Chris Ryan? He's nailing it.
1:18:34 Speaker 05 Proudfoot goes for it, like, but he's supposed to. You know, it's...
1:18:38 Bill Simmons? Proudfoot may be the closest.
1:18:39 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:18:40 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:18:41 Speaker 05 You motherfucker!
1:18:43 Bill Simmons? You have a flex category, Kyle.
1:18:45 Speaker 05 All right, flex category.
1:18:48 Speaker 05 I'm gonna do the, uh, the Will Campbell Award for a character you know is weighing over his head and is gonna mess it up for the rest of the movie. No, I just made that up.
1:18:56 Chris Ryan? Oh, my God!
1:18:58 Speaker 05 I haven't seen Bill since the Super Bowl, so I wanted to hit him with some Super Bowl.
1:19:02 Chris Ryan? Will Campbell Award for the character with the shortest arms?
1:19:05 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:19:05 Bill Simmons? I felt like I got shot in the face like Carl.
1:19:07 Speaker 05 There's an actor you know is not up to the task with the rest of the cast. No, I don't have that.
1:19:11 Bill Simmons? Does he have a torn FCL?
1:19:12 Speaker 05 Allegedly.
1:19:13 Bill Simmons? Allegedly.
1:19:13 Speaker 05 No, I, um, I have Billy Bat's Award for the most biting and scalable, uh, insult.
1:19:20 Speaker 05 The scene with him pulling up to that, the parking ticket.
1:19:22 Chris Ryan? Oh, my God. Your clip on tie.
1:19:25 Speaker 05 Here we go. Uh, I suppose you think you're an authority figure. That stupid fucking tie and uniform, huh, big guy? King clip on tie there, big fucking man? If these the limits of your life, pal, rule your little fucking gate here. Here's your $4, you pathetic piece of shit. God, isn't that erotic? And this guy, you see that shot of his smile just fading and just stupid bad teeth and everything. It's, it's, and then as, as there's this part where that scene changes where he goes, "I just pulled in here." And then he has this, "I just fucking pulled in here." And then the guy starts honking.
1:19:57 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:19:58 Speaker 05 That scene is so relatable. Like, we've all been at that gate and be like, "Do I really have to pay the $4?"
1:20:03 Chris Ryan? And he even tries to like, kind of reach out to him where he's like, "I've decided not to go on my trip."
1:20:07 Speaker 05 Turns out.
1:20:07 Chris Ryan? It's not even like, "I'm deciding not to park. I'm not even flying where I thought I was gonna fly."
1:20:11 Speaker 05 Still have to pay the $4.
1:20:12 Chris Ryan? Yeah, right.
1:20:13 Speaker 05 You fucking kidding me? Oh, God, I love that part. And it's an amazing put down.
1:20:16 Chris Ryan? That was a good one.
1:20:17 Speaker 05 Thank you.
1:20:17 Bill Simmons? The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harris' support hottest take award. What'd you have, CR?
1:20:21 Chris Ryan? Uh, we alluded to this a little bit in our opening conversation, but this movie is in direct conversation with No Country For Old Men. And I think, you know, you have the bag of money, the character in over their head.
1:20:32 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:20:32 Chris Ryan? Sacrificial wife and a cop who is trying to make sense of the extreme violence that they come across. I thought it was amazing that Marge's last lines, basically, is like, so that was Mr. Lundergard. Uh, that was Mrs. Lundergard over there on the floor. And I guess that was your accomplice in the wood chipper. And those three people in Brainerd, and for what? "For a little bit of money. There's more to life than a little money, you know? Don't you know that? And here you are, it's a beautiful day. Well, I don't understand it." And then Ed Tom Bell, Tommy Lee Jones in No Country, just goes, "The crime you see now, it's hard to even take its measure. It's not that I'm afraid of it. I always knew you had to be willing to die to do this job. But I don't want to push my chips forward and go out and meet something I don't understand." It's just kind of like that.
1:21:16 Chris Ryan? I've gotten to the sort of part of evil and the darkness out there that is incomprehensible. And it's amazing that these guys are like, that in between Cormac McCarthy writes this novel, but that they're kind of making the same story and talking about the same stuff.
1:21:30 Bill Simmons? Interesting. Yeah, cuz that, that's one of the things I love about No Country is he has this realization, like... What am I doing this for?
1:21:38 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:21:39 Bill Simmons? Like, there's some dark shit out there. I'm getting older and I just, it's not for, it's not, not for me anymore. I think about that when I watch some of these cop movies sometimes. These people, you know, in their early 30s, they're jumping over like parking garages, trying to catch somebody. And it's like, at some point you must realize.
1:21:55 Speaker 05 Definitely.
1:21:56 Bill Simmons? The fuck, man? There's just gonna be another guy coming.
1:21:58 Speaker 05 I know.
1:21:58 Bill Simmons? I'm doing this. I don't get respect from anybody for it.
1:22:01 Speaker 05 Remember, I mean, the end of Seven where he's like, the world is a wonderful place and worth fighting for. I believe the first part.
1:22:07 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:22:07 Speaker 05 And the Morgan Freeman's just like, I just saw the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.
1:22:10 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:22:10 Speaker 05 I'm just done. This, this, I think I'm done.
1:22:12 Bill Simmons? Yeah, I'm done. Um, what did you have for this, Kyle?
1:22:15 Speaker 05 Um, so Geyer Grimsrud, Stormy in this.
1:22:19 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:22:20 Speaker 05 Of all the insane shit he does in this movie, the wood shipper, the executions, by far the craziest thing he does is calling for a second pancake meal in one day.
1:22:30 Bill Simmons? Of the day.
1:22:31 Speaker 05 Fucking outrageous.
1:22:32 Bill Simmons? Have you ever done it?
1:22:32 Speaker 05 It's, I don't think it's ever been done. I, I wanna put yourself in the position where you're on a fucking road trip. And in the morning, you have a full stack of fluffy, buttery, syrupy pancakes.
1:22:43 Bill Simmons? And you're sitting, it's immediate constipation.
1:22:45 Speaker 05 You're sitting, you're fucking farting.
1:22:47 Bill Simmons? You are, you are chain smoking, so I'm ready for the constipation.
1:22:50 Speaker 05 And then in the same day, they're like, let's run it back. I want another stack of pancakes. Carl's first reaction is, what are you nuts? And I feel like the Coens are like, we need a creative way to tell people what a lunatic this is.
1:23:02 Chris Ryan? He's only interested in like cigarettes, pancakes and killing people.
1:23:06 Speaker 05 Not even like, not even pasta or pizza, like pancakes. I don't want it in the same week after a plate of pancakes.
1:23:13 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:23:14 Speaker 05 And there's also this funny detail where the line says, we stop at Pancakes' house. And he kept going to the Coens and be like, I think there's a typo in the script. It should be Pancakes'. And they're like, there's no typos in the script.
1:23:24 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:23:24 Speaker 05 It's Pancakes' house, which makes him sound more crazy. I, it's like, you have a fucking mattress in your stomach all day in that car.
1:23:32 Bill Simmons? I'm trying to remember, like, this is a great one. Like, when have you doubled cuisine in the same day?
1:23:37 Speaker 05 And what cuisine would it be?
1:23:38 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:23:39 Speaker 05 Pizza, maybe like tacos, like a breakfast burrito.
1:23:42 Bill Simmons? This is where we, if we had Joe Hass here, he would just be rattling off multiple.
1:23:46 Chris Ryan? I'll do a morning gumbo and then like a nighttime seafood tower. I couldn't do.
1:23:50 Speaker 05 It would probably be protein, probably not dairy.
1:23:53 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:23:53 Speaker 05 But you know, the Grims was like that full ice cream scoop of butter on every slice, not to mention the sides. And Carl's like, let's go get a steak and a beer.
1:24:01 Chris Ryan? I know.
1:24:02 Speaker 05 And he's like, more fucking pancakes. It's insane. All the other shit. I get why he puts the woodchip where he's to conceal the evidence. He shoots the cop for self-preservation. The pancakes is inexplicable.
1:24:13 Bill Simmons? Red Auerbach used to find any Celtic that had pancakes.
1:24:17 Speaker 05 Are you serious?
1:24:17 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:24:17 Speaker 05 Could slow him down?
1:24:18 Bill Simmons? Just an actual find.
1:24:19 Chris Ryan? Are you saying Red Auerbach invented heat culture?
1:24:22 Bill Simmons? If Fred Auerbach found out you had pancakes, he fined you like $25. He thought they were the worst thing a human being could eat.
1:24:28 Speaker 05 Yeah, they're rough.
1:24:28 Chris Ryan? They're fucking amazing, though.
1:24:29 Speaker 05 They're good.
1:24:30 Bill Simmons? My hot take, in 1997, a year after this movie, a pilot was filmed for a TV series set in Brainerd shortly after the events of the film, starring E. D. Falco as Marge Gunderson. No involvement from the Coens, directed by Kathy Bates, the pilot you can find on YouTube. I sent it to you guys. It's an amazing what if.
1:24:49 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:24:50 Bill Simmons? Because if this pilot gets picked up, The Sopranos now no longer has E. D. Falco as Carmella, who I think, there's three people that have to be on that show.
1:25:02 Chris Ryan? Mm hmm.
1:25:02 Bill Simmons? Right? If you're going Sopranos, does this show work without these people? It's really only Tony and Carmella. I even think you could have somebody else as Melfi and probably be fine.
1:25:13 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:25:13 Bill Simmons? Polly Walnuts would be my third.
1:25:15 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:25:15 Bill Simmons? I just think he's irreplaceable and one of the funniest people I've ever been on TV.
1:25:18 Chris Ryan? Would Imperiali be like essential?
1:25:20 Bill Simmons? Imperiali, maybe. So there's four. Yeah, Imperiali would be the fourth. But I just think if you take Carmelo out of that, I don't think that's the greatest show of all time anymore. So the pilot doesn't get picked up.
1:25:29 Speaker 05 Hmm.
1:25:30 Bill Simmons? Huge what if. It's almost like we have in sports where it's like,
1:25:34 Chris Ryan? There's a change.
1:25:35 Bill Simmons? Portland had taken MJ, the fucking world splits.
1:25:38 Chris Ryan? The ripples go up to there's no Fargo, uh, series from Noah Hawley.
1:25:43 Bill Simmons? Mm hmm. Right.
1:25:43 Chris Ryan? So you miss out on Kirsten Dunst and Jesse Plemons season, the Billy Bob Thornton Renaissance kind of starts on Fargo.
1:25:50 Bill Simmons? Oh, yeah.
1:25:51 Chris Ryan? Like, there's a lot of stuff that comes out of Fargo that wouldn't have happened.
1:25:54 Bill Simmons? E. D. Falco, instead she goes and does Oz.
1:25:58 Chris Ryan? Yes.
1:25:59 Bill Simmons? Which leads to Sopranos. We get her in Oz for a year.
1:26:02 Speaker 05 Because they, initially they wanted Brack. For Carmella.
1:26:06 Bill Simmons? She said no.
1:26:06 Speaker 05 She already did that part.
1:26:07 Bill Simmons? She didn't want to be the wife again.
1:26:08 Chris Ryan? She's done Karen.
1:26:09 Speaker 05 So I wonder if they could have gotten her. Probably not. I think you're right. Like, you can't have that show without Falco. One of the greatest performances ever.
1:26:14 Bill Simmons? You know why she didn't want to be, um, the wife, Carmella? Cause that's all we had! Karen!
1:26:21 Speaker 05 They would have found it!
1:26:22 Bill Simmons? They would have found it! That's all we had!
1:26:25 Speaker 05 They would have found it.
1:26:26 Bill Simmons? Cassie would have. Oh no!
1:26:31 Chris Ryan? The way she says, "Oh no."
1:26:33 Bill Simmons? Cassie would have.
1:26:36 Bill Simmons? I almost couldn't believe this and had to research it and it's true. I thought it was internet bullshit and it's just not. Bill Pullman was supposed to be Jerry.
1:26:43 Chris Ryan? Really?
1:26:44 Speaker 05 Bill Pullman.
1:26:45 Bill Simmons? Bill Pullman was supposed to be Jerry and had to back out, had some sort of scheduling conflict and that's what led to William H. Macy being...
1:26:52 Chris Ryan? Like, yeah, Macy talked about how he basically like chased the Coens across the country doing auditions.
1:26:58 Bill Simmons? Bill Pullman.
1:26:59 Speaker 05 He's way too handsome. Like, he's, Pullman is dashing. Like, he's romantic leads. No way.
1:27:04 Chris Ryan? God, I wonder what he pulled out for.
1:27:06 Bill Simmons? Bill Pullman is in the...
1:27:07 Chris Ryan? That wouldn't have been, that's not Independence Day, right? Like, when, when would he?
1:27:10 Speaker 05 Independence Day is right, it's like 96, right around there.
1:27:15 Bill Simmons? Bill Pullman was in the mix in like a big, big A-list way for like five years.
1:27:19 Chris Ryan? Sure.
1:27:19 Bill Simmons? Cause even Malice, which we have not thought of the rewatchables, but Ciara and I both love. But, uh, he's, it's him, Kidman and Al Baldwin. It's the three of them. He's in Independence Day and I don't know, he's...
1:27:32 Chris Ryan? He's in while you're sleeping, right?
1:27:34 Bill Simmons? He's in one of the wider, which, yeah, which one of those wider?
1:27:38 Speaker 05 He's not in Tombstone. Yeah, he's a wider.
1:27:40 Chris Ryan? The wider one.
1:27:42 Bill Simmons? Then they looked at Richard Jenkins for a while and gave it to Macy. I don't know. Jenkins...
1:27:46 Chris Ryan? Jenkins is so good in Brackery.
1:27:48 Bill Simmons? Jenkins with a Minnesota accent?
1:27:49 Speaker 05 I know. If, if Pullman becomes Lundegaard, does William H. Macy become the President of the United States on Independence Day?
1:27:55 Chris Ryan? That'd be pretty goo, pretty good.
1:27:57 Bill Simmons? Wow.
1:27:58 Speaker 05 It's Jerry Lundegaard. We will not go quietly tonight, okay?
1:28:04 Bill Simmons? Best that guy. It has to be Harv Presnel as Wade Gosson.
1:28:10 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:28:10 Bill Simmons? I don't.
1:28:11 Speaker 05 Is that what you had, Chris?
1:28:11 Chris Ryan? No, I had Larry Brandon.
1:28:13 Speaker 05 I got Larry Brandon.
1:28:13 Chris Ryan? As Stan.
1:28:14 Speaker 05 Stan Grossman. He's in Shawshank. He's part of the crew. Think about it. He doesn't have any lines. But he's part of that Red and Andy Crew was betting on the fresh fish. And I just, I had no idea what his name was. Larry Brandon Bird as Stan Grossman? Is that what you had, Chris?
1:28:30 Chris Ryan? That's what I had. You know, he does two episodes of Cheers.
1:28:33 Bill Simmons? It's a really good one. You might be right. Because the only reason they had Harv. He hadn't made a movie in 20 years.
1:28:38 Speaker 05 This is awesome.
1:28:39 Chris Ryan? Yes.
1:28:39 Bill Simmons? He was like this 50s, 60s, 70s guy and then retired and then they like pulled him back somehow.
1:28:45 Chris Ryan? They had the best eye for faces. Like, they'll just be like, that's, that's who it is.
1:28:48 Speaker 05 And then like, two seconds later, he's in Private Ryan as like a general.
1:28:52 Chris Ryan? Oh, that's right.
1:28:52 Speaker 05 And Spielberg casts him, right? He shows up in that movie.
1:28:54 Chris Ryan? With the only one arm guy, right?
1:28:56 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:28:57 Bill Simmons? So the Shawshank Crew was.
1:29:01 Bill Simmons? It was. The guy who was in Silent Rage.
1:29:05 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:29:06 Bill Simmons? That guy.
1:29:07 Speaker 05 I don't know his name, but.
1:29:08 Bill Simmons? It was the stuttering guy.
1:29:09 Speaker 05 Red, I do believe you're talking out of your ass.
1:29:11 Bill Simmons? Yeah. The stuttering guy. It was Brooks.
1:29:14 Speaker 05 Yeah, William Sadler.
1:29:16 Bill Simmons? William Sadler.
1:29:16 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Heywood.
1:29:18 Bill Simmons? And then that guy was the quiet guy.
1:29:20 Speaker 05 Yep.
1:29:20 Bill Simmons? Morgan Freeman. There was one more, too. And then I guess the.
1:29:24 Speaker 05 Well, there's the guy from The Sopranos who marries Janice. Isn't he in that crew?
1:29:28 Bill Simmons? Yes.
1:29:28 Speaker 05 Yeah, Richie April.
1:29:29 Bill Simmons? Yeah, Richie April.
1:29:30 Speaker 05 Yeah, it's a great crew.
1:29:31 Bill Simmons? Yeah. Dion Waiters award. Steve Park. Who do you have?
1:29:38 Chris Ryan? Steve Park.
1:29:38 Speaker 05 Steve Park as Mike Yanagida.
1:29:42 Bill Simmons? I could offer you Shep Prabhat.
1:29:44 Chris Ryan? It's Steve Park. It's maybe the, one of the great Deons of.
1:29:48 Bill Simmons? I could offer you the guy who wanted to pay 19.5 for his vehicle with no true code.
1:29:53 Chris Ryan? Very funny. Very good.
1:29:54 Bill Simmons? And I could.
1:29:54 Speaker 05 Fucking liar.
1:29:55 Bill Simmons? I could offer you Jose Feliciano.
1:29:58 Speaker 05 No complaints.
1:29:58 Bill Simmons? And I could offer the two escorts who made the point that he was funny looking, not circumcised.
1:30:03 Speaker 05 I love all the offers. Chris, you just brought me there. I have Yanagida on my Waiters Rushmore. Like, I have Drexel into romance. I've got Walkin' in Pulp Fiction. I've got Mike Yanagida, and I've got The Goat, multiple Miggs. Like, those are my four all-time Dion Waiters. He's in the George Washington state of Rushmore. Multiple Miggs, two lines of dialogue, and eternal impression. But Yanagida is on that with Miggs.
1:30:30 Chris Ryan? I would only add, John Marley is Jack Wilson Godfather.
1:30:35 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
1:30:37 Bill Simmons? We've had so many good Dons. I'd love to see the complete list.
1:30:40 Speaker 05 Yeah. That sounds like a bracket. That's a great list. It sounds like a bracket, too. Like, it's tourney time. They did Roger Ebert.
1:30:48 Bill Simmons? That would be a good bracket.
1:30:49 Speaker 05 Roger Ebert did a special episode of their show with Scorsese, and when it went to 2000, where they list their top 10 movies of 90s. Scorsese comes on and he says he's got Fargo at number four. One of the first things he says in his commentary about this movie that won all these awards is, and there's this amazing scene with this Asian American actor who's giving all his emotions out, and it's just a beautiful scene. Like, he fucking loved the Yanagida scene, Scorsese. It was like his favorite scene in the movie.
1:31:12 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:31:12 Speaker 05 It's so, so, so good.
1:31:14 Bill Simmons? Who did we have for Pulp for Dion? Was it The Wolf?
1:31:17 Speaker 05 Or Walkin'. This watch up your ass.
1:31:20 Chris Ryan? I think it was Walkin'. Yes.
1:31:22 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:31:22 Speaker 05 Do you know that the guy, Steven Park, I know everything about this scene. He's talked about this scene, and when he performed it, yeah, Mike Yanagida, the Coens came up to him afterwards, and they're like, so fucking funny, hilarious. And he was like, really hurt.
1:31:35 Chris Ryan? Cause he's like, this is supposed to be heartbreaking.
1:31:36 Speaker 05 Like, I thought it was, I was like pouring my heart out. It's funny, like, they're laughing. He thought it was like a straight dramatic scene.
1:31:41 Bill Simmons? Oh, interesting.
1:31:42 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:31:44 Speaker 05 The fact that, the fact that he goes same side of the booth and just takes that and takes that risk.
1:31:49 Chris Ryan? He's like, I didn't want to cream my neck.
1:31:50 Speaker 05 I know. And Chris, we've never done a pod, but can you imagine five minutes in, I'm just coming over here?
1:31:56 Speaker 05 Do you mind if I sit over here? And you're like, no, I'd like you over there. I can see you better. I'm just gonna sit like this.
1:32:02 Chris Ryan? I'll do Yanagida for the rest of this.
1:32:04 Bill Simmons? Pod.
1:32:06 Speaker 05 Because if she was all right with him sitting there.
1:32:07 Bill Simmons? Oh, my God, dude.
1:32:08 Speaker 05 There are 15. He's going in for the kiss.
1:32:10 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:32:10 Speaker 05 I have a take on that, that like Yannick has a room. And he's got there early. He's got a room with the Radisson.
1:32:16 Bill Simmons? It's not just the lunch at the Radisson.
1:32:17 Speaker 05 No, no, no. He's suited up. He's got like a Scotch. Like, this is everything.
1:32:21 Bill Simmons? Hold on. In Yannick's defense.
1:32:24 Speaker 05 Go on.
1:32:25 Bill Simmons? She suggests the Radisson. It's a fucking hotel. Do you think he knows the Radisson?
1:32:29 Chris Ryan? Do you think when he's watching her on TV do the press conference or, you know, get interviewed about this case that she, he can see that she's pregnant? Or does she have a big coat on?
1:32:36 Speaker 05 I don't think he can see.
1:32:37 Bill Simmons? You think he's like pregnant fetish?
1:32:38 Chris Ryan? No, I just think it's like, I wonder if when she walks in.
1:32:41 Bill Simmons? So he's a good porn.
1:32:42 Chris Ryan? Clearly pregnant.
1:32:42 Bill Simmons? Porn searches for this movie. Woman on top and pregnant or two.
1:32:47 Speaker 05 Third trimester, too.
1:32:48 Bill Simmons? Wood chipper.
1:32:49 Speaker 05 I think he's probably crestfallen.
1:32:50 Chris Ryan? Yeah, I think so, too. I think when she orders the Diet Coke, he's like, shit.
1:32:54 Bill Simmons? Yeah. Recasting couch director city.
1:32:57 Speaker 05 He wants her to get like a Long Island.
1:32:58 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:32:59 Speaker 05 You know? I wonder, I, I would hope if she would not leave that drink unattended either. Like, I think everything's on the table.
1:33:05 Bill Simmons? Oh, God.
1:33:05 Speaker 05 It's not good. Not good.
1:33:07 Bill Simmons? Recasting couch director city.
1:33:10 Chris Ryan? You can't do a different city.
1:33:12 Bill Simmons? Can we test drive, uh?
1:33:13 Speaker 05 Go on.
1:33:14 Bill Simmons? Robert Duvall as the father-in-law?
1:33:17 Speaker 05 Yeah, powerhouse.
1:33:18 Bill Simmons? Give it a test drive just because he passed away recently, but.
1:33:21 Chris Ryan? Yes.
1:33:22 Bill Simmons? It's taking like a little more firepower for that character. Does that do anything for this movie?
1:33:26 Speaker 05 Going to McDonald's. It didn't finish. Yeah, he'd be fantastic.
1:33:28 Chris Ryan? The thing I like about it is like, these guys pick this dude out of relative obscurity, hasn't acted for 20 years. It looks like the role of his lifetime, the role he's been meant, he's meant to do.
1:33:39 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:33:40 Chris Ryan? And he does the exact thing they need him to do. And sometimes it's like.
1:33:43 Speaker 05 I know.
1:33:44 Chris Ryan? When you bring in.
1:33:44 Bill Simmons? It's like a 70s detective show performance.
1:33:47 Chris Ryan? And it's like, well, what if Brandt then ruins the movie, you know?
1:33:49 Speaker 05 He shows up too in, uh, in Face Off right after this. Like, he got hot.
1:33:52 Chris Ryan? Oh, yeah.
1:33:53 Speaker 05 He's in Face Off, too. Like, directors were picking him. They liked him.
1:33:57 Bill Simmons? Uh, half a certain research.
1:33:58 Speaker 05 Mm-hmm.
1:34:00 Bill Simmons? Stormare has 18 lines of dialogue.
1:34:03 Speaker 05 Great.
1:34:04 Bill Simmons? Never says more than one sentence at a time.
1:34:06 Chris Ryan? It is in the pancake conversation.
1:34:08 Speaker 05 You know what it makes me think of? Our guy right here. Very few lines of dialogue, machine-like killer. It's, it's. It's post of the sun.
1:34:15 Bill Simmons? Look at that guy. In his book Stand for Something, The Battle for America's Soul, Ohio Governor John Kasich spends three pages describing his hatred for this film.
1:34:27 Speaker 05 Yeah, okay. What's his substance?
1:34:29 Bill Simmons? That's all I didn't.
1:34:30 Chris Ryan? I think he probably hates its depiction of smaller town, America.
1:34:35 Bill Simmons? The Paul Bunyan statue was built for the film and dismantled.
1:34:40 Bill Simmons? Wade's car dealership was filmed in Richfield, Minnesota.
1:34:44 Bill Simmons? Now occupied by a Best Buy.
1:34:45 Speaker 05 Okay, there's still a Best Buy?
1:34:47 Bill Simmons? King of Clubs was in northeast Minneapolis, demolished in oh three, replaced by low income housing.
1:34:53 Chris Ryan? Before BS come in with a tidy little investment.
1:34:58 Bill Simmons? Joel Cohen had McDormand and John Carroll Lynch conceive a backstory for their characters to get the feel of the characters. And they decided Norm and Marge met working on the police force. When they married, they had to choose which one quit. Norm quit and took up.
1:35:13 Speaker 05 Cause Norm doesn't work, right? Like he's a painter.
1:35:15 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:35:15 Speaker 05 He painted the three cent stand.
1:35:16 Chris Ryan? I assume that they work, that they went to high school together because Yannick Gita is like, oh, you remember her? She was here behind us. Yeah.
1:35:23 Bill Simmons? I mean, he was hilarious in high school.
1:35:24 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:35:28 Bill Simmons? The trademark Minnesota, yeah. Appears 179 times in the script.
1:35:34 Speaker 05 Great.
1:35:35 Bill Simmons? That's all I got. Apex Mountain.
1:35:38 Chris Ryan? Well, for Apex Mountain, certainly Swedish meatballs. Because when you think about what Ikea was doing.
1:35:44 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:35:44 Chris Ryan? With their, their amazing cafe.
1:35:46 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:35:46 Chris Ryan? When you would go get some furniture that you would then get divorced while you put it together.
1:35:50 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:35:51 Chris Ryan? And then also this movie, I just, I don't really know when Swedish meatballs have peaked again. I would also say GMAC financing plans.
1:35:59 Speaker 05 Sure.
1:36:01 Speaker 05 Riley Giefenbach?
1:36:02 Chris Ryan? Yeah, just, and then True Coat Sealant.
1:36:05 Bill Simmons? Would you say Callan Brothers?
1:36:06 Chris Ryan? No, I'd say No Country is Callan Brothers.
1:36:08 Bill Simmons? I would say that as well. Macy, it's not yet, but maybe after Boogie Nights, we're getting there.
1:36:16 Bill Simmons? Getting in the vicinity. Some would argue the cooler when he actually led a movie that had a lot of people in it.
1:36:22 Speaker 05 Yeah, Shameless, right? The show, like, people love that show Shameless, he was on for years.
1:36:25 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:36:26 Speaker 05 Like, I mean, Rossom, I never watched it, but I know people like it.
1:36:29 Bill Simmons? Minnesota, probably the World Series in eighty-eight or eighty-seven, Kirby Puckett.
1:36:33 Chris Ryan? Oh, fuck, yeah.
1:36:34 Bill Simmons? Or ninety-one, one of those two World Series.
1:36:35 Chris Ryan? Kent Herbeck, Greg Gagnon.
1:36:37 Speaker 05 The ninety-eight Vikings, Moss's rookie year, and Randall Cunningham, and they went to a title game, they were unbelievable.
1:36:42 Chris Ryan? KG winning that, that first round series.
1:36:46 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
1:36:47 Bill Simmons? Uh, windshield scraper scenes?
1:36:50 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:36:50 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:36:52 Bill Simmons? Buscemi?
1:36:53 Chris Ryan? Uh, well.
1:36:55 Speaker 05 He wins a Golden Globe for that Boardwalk Empire. This is my favorite role of his.
1:37:00 Chris Ryan? Yeah, I think there's been bigger moments. I think Con Air is probably like his apex.
1:37:04 Speaker 05 He got that right after this. He starts being a movie star, starts doing all the Sandler movies, like.
1:37:08 Bill Simmons? It's funny, I would probably, I'd probably, I'm not right, but I'd probably say Sopranos, because he was also directing.
1:37:14 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:37:14 Bill Simmons? And when he was in Sopranos, it was just such a big deal.
1:37:16 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:37:17 Bill Simmons? It's like, oh, my God, they got Buscemi for, he's gonna play Tony's cousin, this is fucking unbelievable.
1:37:22 Speaker 05 You're right.
1:37:23 Bill Simmons? Can't believe they're doing this.
1:37:24 Speaker 05 And the way his story ended on the porch is, that's so good.
1:37:28 Bill Simmons? McDormand, no.
1:37:31 Bill Simmons? But I don't know what it is.
1:37:31 Chris Ryan? I think it's probably three.
1:37:33 Bill Simmons? Intentionally designed not to have an apex.
1:37:34 Chris Ryan? Three billboards was like the most attention I think she got.
1:37:38 Bill Simmons? The Blue Ox, probably the most fun anyone's had there, yeah.
1:37:42 Speaker 05 Yeah, they're having a hell of a time in the Blue Ox.
1:37:44 Bill Simmons? Shovel murders, better shovel murder for you?
1:37:47 Speaker 05 We, we, we danced close with some shovel murders in Home Alone.
1:37:50 Chris Ryan? That's the thing, it's implied.
1:37:51 Speaker 05 Yeah, the, this, the sheet, the slayer.
1:37:53 Chris Ryan? The snow shovel, yeah.
1:37:55 Bill Simmons? Remember in Halloween, there was a good through the face shovel murder, but this was pretty good. Fargo.
1:38:04 Speaker 05 Fargo the town?
1:38:06 Chris Ryan? It could have been named Brainerd. I mean, the, most of the action, the movie takes place.
1:38:09 Bill Simmons? Yeah, so they, they talked about that and said they just liked the name Fargo better.
1:38:13 Chris Ryan? This is the best thing about them is that, like, people will spend decades kind of like unpacking their movies and they're like, eh, kidnapping's just cool.
1:38:19 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:38:20 Chris Ryan? We just like making movies.
1:38:21 Bill Simmons? Why don't you name it Brainerd? Eh, sounds good enough.
1:38:23 Speaker 05 Fargo sounds much cooler.
1:38:25 Bill Simmons? Storm Air, I'm still going Dino Velvet.
1:38:27 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:38:27 Bill Simmons? I don't care how good he was.
1:38:28 Chris Ryan? I think Armageddon, but yeah, I'll do.
1:38:30 Speaker 05 Six months after this movie came out. He was in a jungle with Steven Spielberg shooting The Lost World like.
1:38:35 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:38:35 Speaker 05 He had a.
1:38:36 Bill Simmons? Late nineties was a good.
1:38:37 Speaker 05 Oh, my god. He was.
1:38:38 Bill Simmons? Dangling cigarette smoking?
1:38:42 Speaker 05 There's a scene where Ray Stantz in Ghostbusters has one dragon on his lip for like 10 seconds as he's looking at Slimer.
1:38:47 Bill Simmons? Oh, yeah.
1:38:47 Speaker 05 It's iconic. He lets this thing hang and he's like, I don't know how they did it because it but it's really, you know what I'm talking about? It's really funny.
1:38:56 Bill Simmons? Minnesota accents?
1:38:58 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:38:58 Bill Simmons? Yeah. All right, here's my favorite one. In movie disfiguring facial wounds, Mount Rushmore. I have one battle.
1:39:06 Speaker 05 Mm hmm. Yeah.
1:39:07 Bill Simmons? Freeway with Kiefer Sutherland.
1:39:09 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:39:10 Bill Simmons? Reese Witherspoon shoots him in the face and then he's.
1:39:14 Bill Simmons? Fargo, what's the fourth one?
1:39:15 Chris Ryan? Uh, it's definitely Aaron Eckhart in Dark Knight.
1:39:18 Bill Simmons? There we go.
1:39:20 Chris Ryan? Two face.
1:39:20 Speaker 05 With burns half of the space off.
1:39:22 Bill Simmons? But he didn't get shot though.
1:39:23 Chris Ryan? No, I'm sorry. I just mean face injury.
1:39:25 Bill Simmons? Well, I I think we can sneak that in then.
1:39:27 Speaker 05 Gus Fring has the same thing at the end of Breaking Bad, like half of his face is melted off just like that.
1:39:32 Chris Ryan? That's true.
1:39:32 Speaker 05 That's good.
1:39:34 Bill Simmons? Cruiser Hanks.
1:39:35 Chris Ryan? It's Hanks because he thinks this is a perfect movie.
1:39:38 Bill Simmons? And Hanks could have played how many characters in?
1:39:41 Chris Ryan? He could have played Jerry.
1:39:42 Speaker 05 Jerry for sure.
1:39:44 Bill Simmons? Older Hanks could have played the dad.
1:39:45 Chris Ryan? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he could play. He could play the guy shoveling snow in his driveway. He was like. Yeah.
1:39:52 Bill Simmons? Honestly, he would have been a really interesting, um, Stormare. He's never really went. We never got dark Hanks.
1:40:00 Chris Ryan? Not this dark, no.
1:40:02 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:40:03 Bill Simmons? It would have been disorienting to watch him play somebody that evil.
1:40:07 Speaker 05 This, the, uh, road to perdition. He's a killer with a Tommy gun and get some gunfights and stuff like that, but not like this. I have I have Cruz written down as Stormare just because.
1:40:15 Bill Simmons? Oh.
1:40:15 Speaker 05 I want to see you guys talk about his smoking. Yeah, like Vincent from Collateral.
1:40:19 Bill Simmons? The smoking.
1:40:22 Chris Ryan? Doing Carl more than Stormare like.
1:40:23 Speaker 05 Oh, really?
1:40:24 Chris Ryan? Yeah, Cruz just be like, you fucking imbecile.
1:40:26 Bill Simmons? Oh, like doing cocktail Cruz?
1:40:28 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:40:28 Bill Simmons? Yeah. Scorsese or Spielberg? Clearly Scorsese. We did best hang, worst hang, the two criminals.
1:40:35 Chris Ryan? Carl Garra is what I got.
1:40:37 Bill Simmons? Uh, the Sarah Connor award for wood modern technology ruined this movie?
1:40:42 Chris Ryan? Yes.
1:40:42 Bill Simmons? Ring cameras, cell phone pings and texting. I think we catch these guys in five minutes.
1:40:46 Speaker 05 Yeah, you can't take a license plate off of a parking garage.
1:40:48 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:40:48 Speaker 05 Car and you're just you're everywhere. You're on. Cameras.
1:40:51 Chris Ryan? Kind of wild that when he, when she gets out to the, the scene of the state trooper being, having been shot. It's just two cops like, like you'd think there would be like, the FBI would be there, like there would be like thirty cops out there and it's just.
1:41:05 Speaker 05 She asked Lou, where is everybody? He's like, well, it's cold, Margie.
1:41:08 Chris Ryan? Yeah, that's right.
1:41:09 Speaker 05 It's cold.
1:41:09 Chris Ryan? That's right.
1:41:10 Speaker 05 There's like, no one wanted to come out.
1:41:12 Bill Simmons? Picking nits. We mentioned the title. I have a couple of good ones, but what'd you guys have?
1:41:19 Speaker 05 I'll rattle some. First of all, uh, the London guards would definitely have a dog, which I think would be a fun part of the home invasion. The fact that Scotty does not have a Kirby Puckett poster in his room is ridiculous. Nineteen eighty seven.
1:41:30 Bill Simmons? Doesn't like sports.
1:41:31 Speaker 05 He's a hockey guy.
1:41:32 Chris Ryan? He likes hockey.
1:41:33 Speaker 05 Most importantly, though.
1:41:34 Bill Simmons? He would have had a North Stars poster or something.
1:41:36 Speaker 05 Something. Most important picking it. I know it's a funny line. It makes for a good dialogue. There's no fucking way Carl is uncircumcised.
1:41:44 Speaker 05 This is a white guy from the Midwest. Hello. There's no fucking way. I know it's funny. Now, if you want to talk about Storm Air, the Swedish guy. Then we can talk.
1:41:53 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:41:54 Speaker 05 That Carl is, she says, it wasn't, I get it's funny. There's no fucking way he's uncircumcised.
1:41:58 Bill Simmons? That's a great one.
1:42:00 Chris Ryan? Oh, my God.
1:42:01 Speaker 05 Have you seen our month?
1:42:02 Chris Ryan? Why does Carl not take off? Why does he go back for gear and go back to like, be like, hey, I got.
1:42:09 Speaker 05 He gives him the money.
1:42:10 Chris Ryan? Some money.
1:42:11 Bill Simmons? It's a man of honor.
1:42:12 Speaker 05 Maybe he's worried he'll come after him.
1:42:14 Chris Ryan? Maybe.
1:42:15 Speaker 05 He gives him the forty thousand. He's like, I got a million. I'm just gonna do this right. Close the end. I'm out of here. But if, yeah, I mean, in retrospect.
1:42:21 Bill Simmons? Why did he bury the, the money?
1:42:24 Speaker 05 Cause he didn't want to show up to the house with it in the car.
1:42:26 Chris Ryan? Yeah, cause then he can always use that as like, if he needs.
1:42:29 Bill Simmons? Well, why wouldn't he bear, bury it closer to the house?
1:42:31 Speaker 05 I know.
1:42:31 Chris Ryan? Like, cause he's, half of his face is hanging off.
1:42:33 Bill Simmons? Yeah, I guess he's, alright, so I have two. I have. The father in law never connecting the dots. He seemed like a smart guy, a good businessman.
1:42:41 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:42:42 Bill Simmons? Jerry needs, he wants the money himself for the kidnapping seven hundred fifty.
1:42:47 Speaker 05 That's a good one, Bill.
1:42:47 Bill Simmons? Then the kidnappers want a million. It's like right in the vicinity. I just sort of been like.
1:42:51 Chris Ryan? Unanswerable question is what's, what's Jerry gotten himself into? Is he?
1:42:55 Bill Simmons? They don't want you to know. It's like the suitcase.
1:42:57 Chris Ryan? He's taking out loans on cars that don't exist.
1:43:00 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:43:01 Chris Ryan? Is it to pay for something else or is it to pay for that parking lot?
1:43:05 Bill Simmons? They don't want us to know.
1:43:06 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:43:07 Speaker 05 Or is it just to get rich?
1:43:08 Bill Simmons? They said that they had, Cohen's literally said, we don't, we didn't want people to think about it. They did the, uh, the Pulp Fiction suitcase move.
1:43:15 Chris Ryan? The G M A C thing when he's just like, yeah, so I'm gonna need those VIN numbers. He's like, okay.
1:43:19 Speaker 05 I'll fax it over.
1:43:20 Chris Ryan? Yeah, I'm gonna have my girl send them right over.
1:43:21 Speaker 05 Think about his master plan is just, just write them hard to read in pencil and fax it. And that's like, that's the perfect crime.
1:43:26 Chris Ryan? But the G M A C sent him $300,000. They're like, okay, here you go, bud.
1:43:31 Speaker 05 My patience is at an end. Yeah.
1:43:33 Bill Simmons? Well, I was thinking, what's the most realistic, funny reason that he's down $300,000 or whatever? Be like him gambling on Go For Soccer.
1:43:40 Chris Ryan? He bet the Sox in the 86 World Series.
1:43:43 Speaker 05 It's gambling, drugs or sex.
1:43:45 Bill Simmons? Playoffs 93.
1:43:46 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:43:47 Speaker 05 You gotta be thinking differently about him now that I know Jerry Lennigard has a Playboy hanging right there in his bathroom. He might be some sort of pervert.
1:43:52 Chris Ryan? It kind of takes a long look at something. Was this at the, at the diner, you know?
1:43:56 Speaker 05 That's a very weighted moment.
1:43:57 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:43:58 Speaker 05 He kind of looks just, how you doing?
1:43:59 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:43:59 Speaker 05 Like he full up those, how you doing to her? It's a good call, Chris. There might be something there with him.
1:44:04 Bill Simmons? I think the father-in-law would have figured that out. Second thing. Why are the criminals in the car for this long? I did some Googling.
1:44:12 Speaker 05 It's, it's not that far.
1:44:14 Bill Simmons? Fargo to Minnesota, four hours. Brainerd to Minnesota, two hours. Brainerd to Fargo, three hours. Why, why do we have to, why do we have to stay overnight? Minneapolis. Why do we have to stay overnight anywhere? It's a four hour drive. We do, I'm driving dude in three. They get a hotel and sleep in the same double bed.
1:44:31 Chris Ryan? You're gonna do it in three despite the fact that it's complete white out blizzard conditions.
1:44:35 Bill Simmons? I have to do pancakes twice with Stormer and then share double bed hookers with them? I want to get to my location and get, get away from this guy. They make it seem like they're driving from like New York.
1:44:46 Chris Ryan? Imagine anybody more miserable in this circumstances than you. Oh my God.
1:44:49 Speaker 05 Jesus Christ.
1:44:50 Bill Simmons? The smoking in the car, the windows, it's like a personal assault.
1:44:54 Chris Ryan? Oh my God.
1:44:55 Bill Simmons? Honestly, it's, it's.
1:44:56 Chris Ryan? They, uh, they say that's a, a cancer agent.
1:44:59 Speaker 05 Carcinogen, whatever. Yeah, yeah.
1:45:01 Bill Simmons? It's a sociopath behavior.
1:45:02 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:45:04 Bill Simmons? Okay. Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all podcast, untouchable. Obviously prestige TV, cause we had it.
1:45:10 Chris Ryan? Yep.
1:45:11 Bill Simmons? And that, I didn't see the first season of Fargo. I never watched the Fargo TV series, which is a hole. Maybe I should. But the first season picks up with what, what happened to the money, right?
1:45:21 Chris Ryan? Yes.
1:45:21 Speaker 05 They talk about the case that's buried?
1:45:23 Chris Ryan? There's a, the case is buried, it goes back, and I think one of the characters is Marge's. I think Ted Danson plays Marge's father or grandfather. I can't remember. It's been a while since I've seen it.
1:45:34 Speaker 05 Bilbo's in it, right? Like, he's the guy who plays Bilbo in The Hobbit.
1:45:38 Chris Ryan? Elijah Wood?
1:45:39 Speaker 05 No, that's Frodo.
1:45:40 Chris Ryan? Oh, uh, Bilbo?
1:45:42 Speaker 05 Yeah. What's the guy? He's a super famous actor. I thought he was the lead in-
1:45:46 Bill Simmons? Kyle, you're in the wrong room right now.
1:45:48 Chris Ryan? Ian Holm?
1:45:48 Speaker 05 Yeah. No, not Ian Holm. In the new movie, in the Hobbit movies. What's that guy's name?
1:45:53 Chris Ryan? Oh, Martin Freeman.
1:45:54 Speaker 05 Yeah, Martin Freeman.
1:45:54 Chris Ryan? Yeah, I can't remember. This is the thing is, is I just haven't seen the Fargo since they came out.
1:45:58 Speaker 05 I haven't seen shit either.
1:45:59 Bill Simmons? You guys might be talking another language right now.
1:46:01 Chris Ryan? Bilbo? No?
1:46:03 Speaker 05 When's the fellowship pod?
1:46:06 Bill Simmons? It was CRM. He could have pushed for it.
1:46:07 Speaker 05 If you can do Star Wars, you can do fellowship. Never?
1:46:10 Chris Ryan? It would be funny to do Hobbit in this room and you just aren't there. We just have like a cutout of you.
1:46:16 Speaker 05 Like right there.
1:46:18 Bill Simmons? I'm in one of those cages, like shot caller, at the end of shot caller.
1:46:26 Bill Simmons? Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the florist, Zane Lowe, or somebody else? Kyle, you want to go first?
1:46:32 Speaker 05 I go first. Um, all right. So it's March. I'm gonna have to really work up for this.
1:46:40 Speaker 05 I just feel like at that radisson, I think Gus is there. Mike Yanagita, young fella, ha ha! Suit it up at the radisson. Linda Cooksey, suck it! Same side of the boat!
1:46:58 Speaker 05 Rich, Jack did! Oh, no, son of a goodness!
1:47:06 Speaker 05 My voice isn't right right now. Holy shit. It's March. It's Gus time.
1:47:11 Bill Simmons? Mike Yanagita would be the best name Gus has never said.
1:47:14 Speaker 05 Yanagita!
1:47:15 Bill Simmons? Mike Yanagita!
1:47:16 Speaker 05 He would love Yanagita.
1:47:17 Bill Simmons? He would love that one. There's a guy in Arkansas now, Darius Acuff.
1:47:22 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
1:47:24 Bill Simmons? Just waiting for Gus.
1:47:25 Chris Ryan? You're really having a college basketball radisson.
1:47:28 Bill Simmons? I'm into this draft. Yeah, I've been watching.
1:47:30 Speaker 05 I watched, yeah.
1:47:30 Bill Simmons? Yeah, I've been watching some.
1:47:32 Chris Ryan? Holy shit, Gus.
1:47:33 Bill Simmons? CRD.
1:47:34 Chris Ryan? I was gonna do Zane, but like it feels like it was like a-
1:47:37 Bill Simmons? No, no, people wanted Zane.
1:47:39 Chris Ryan? Marge, I just want to say right out front, right out in the open, you're on an incredible journey in law enforcement, but you're also on an incredible journey of motherhood. And tell me about that. Tell me about your journey. Because we're all watching, we're all waiting, just like you.
1:47:57 Speaker 05 Chris, what you do it, you do, you do this thing?
1:47:59 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:47:59 Speaker 05 That's like, that's perfect.
1:48:00 Chris Ryan? I've been watching a lot of tape. I'm gonna, I'm gonna improve over the course of CR month, I think.
1:48:04 Speaker 05 Now, I hope that's not to the detriment of Frenchie appearances, cuz that's,
1:48:07 Chris Ryan? No.
1:48:08 Speaker 05 I'm such a fan.
1:48:09 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:48:09 Speaker 05 I even live in it for the last part.
1:48:11 Chris Ryan? The policewoman. And the mother.
1:48:16 Chris Ryan? I do think Carl Showalter would also make an incredible first take guess, just because he's like, I'm not gonna debate you. I'm not gonna debate you, Stephen.
1:48:24 Speaker 05 No, that's great. That's great.
1:48:26 Chris Ryan? Carl Showalter, what do you think about Anthony Richardson going to a new team? I'm not gonna debate you. I'm not here to debate.
1:48:32 Speaker 05 Carl, is Sam Donald now an elite quarterback in the league?
1:48:35 Bill Simmons? Carl, the ninth person at first take that to sell any of Shreks's jokes.
1:48:39 Chris Ryan? Oh, God.
1:48:40 Speaker 05 Poor Shreks. I'm selling them at home. I'm laughing at home.
1:48:43 Bill Simmons? A couple of people are on there, so only a couple. Just want to ask her who gets it.
1:48:50 Bill Simmons? I mean, McDormand won the Oscar.
1:48:51 Chris Ryan? I, I would say Macy, Buscemi, or Francis, or the Coens, or Deacons, is like a legit.
1:48:58 Speaker 05 And the Oscar goes to Stephen Park as Mike D'Antoni.
1:49:01 Chris Ryan? Zayla's saying Marge. Marge.
1:49:04 Speaker 05 Marge, up here.
1:49:05 Chris Ryan? So what's going on with you, Marge? You're doing law enforcement, you're doing the motherhood thing, Norm's painting, what? Keep us all up. Where have you been, man?
1:49:13 Bill Simmons? Marge, you eat lunch. You eat so many calories.
1:49:16 Chris Ryan? So he'll do like a 55 second long question and then Tame and Paul will be like, yes.
1:49:23 Chris Ryan? It's so good, man.
1:49:26 Bill Simmons? Probably any answer questions. Why was Marge pregnant is a question my son asked, but I, I think. Oh, that was one of his questions.
1:49:34 Speaker 05 Why was she pregnant?
1:49:35 Bill Simmons? Why did they make her pregnant for the movie? Was their purpose behind?
1:49:37 Chris Ryan? I think she's the, she's.
1:49:39 Bill Simmons? I think it's just to make it seem more human.
1:49:41 Chris Ryan? A cradle of new life in a world that's got so much death. Yeah.
1:49:45 Bill Simmons? We talked about what kind of money trouble was Jerry in.
1:49:49 Bill Simmons? Could you really dispose of bodies with a wood chipper?
1:49:54 Speaker 05 I think so. I think he could push hard enough.
1:49:55 Bill Simmons? That's how good a wood chipper is?
1:49:56 Speaker 05 You got a high-grade wood chipper and you're a strong man.
1:49:59 Chris Ryan? You know, it's pre NAFTA machinery.
1:50:02 Chris Ryan? They really just fried it out.
1:50:03 Speaker 05 Because he probably was gonna put Mrs. Lundegaard in there next, too.
1:50:06 Chris Ryan? Yeah, I mean, they could put like a piece of timber in there. They should be able to put a human body in.
1:50:09 Bill Simmons? A lot of DNA evidence, though, on the.
1:50:11 Speaker 05 Everywhere. It doesn't make sense.
1:50:12 Chris Ryan? Those guys are spooging all over motel rooms across Minnesota.
1:50:16 Speaker 05 It's true.
1:50:19 Chris Ryan? They're like when Michael Douglas comes in and does the black light and is like this guy.
1:50:25 Bill Simmons? Do you have any answers for us?
1:50:27 Speaker 05 If they put the tags on the license plate, do they get away with it? Like, that unravels everything, which is, by the way, Carl is so stupid. Like, you have to put the fucking tags on there. That means there's no murders in Brainerd. They get to the house. It probably goes sideways because Wade's still gonna show up for the drop off. But Carl's not gonna be pissed and having killed people. And I just, if they put the tags on, does it work?
1:50:49 Chris Ryan? It's a great point, but the fact that he doesn't, because he's like, fuck them, I don't put my tags on, is exactly why he's a criminal. And it's like, the same reason why it's like, if those guys don't need to get laid basically every night,
1:51:01 Speaker 05 I know.
1:51:02 Chris Ryan? they're fine. Like, nobody's seen them. Nobody knows who they are. It's the, they find them through the escort.
1:51:07 Bill Simmons? It would seem like the number one thing you're doing as a criminal is you're going in some parking garage at three in the morning and taking off somebody's license plate.
1:51:13 Chris Ryan? Which is what Carl does eventually, but just too late.
1:51:15 Bill Simmons? But that's like, that should be one of the first five things. Like, get a gun, steal a license plate, leave my cellphone at home so I can't.
1:51:22 Chris Ryan? Don't have a lot of violently tinged conversations with people in random bars, you know, that are very memorable.
1:51:29 Bill Simmons? Don't tell two escorts exactly what my plans are for the next five days when it includes the kidnapping.
1:51:34 Speaker 05 And do it for more than $20,000. Like, that's what they're originally paid. 20 grand each for the whole abduction and everything. It's pretty bad.
1:51:42 Bill Simmons? That was another answer I had is what was Storm Air's, what was his, what was he doing two weeks before this?
1:51:51 Speaker 05 Smoking.
1:51:53 Bill Simmons? Bouncer at a bar, like, but like, part-time, driving a snowplow?
1:51:58 Chris Ryan? I think he's been in that state, the like, three packs a day, eight beers a night, probably a girl at the end of it for a long time.
1:52:07 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:52:07 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:52:08 Bill Simmons? Obviously not a great guy because Shep. Knew him from some, from, probably from prison. So maybe he got out of prison.
1:52:16 Chris Ryan? Shep and Carl or Gare? Yeah.
1:52:16 Speaker 05 So this, this, this, this is very interesting. Shep vouches for Gare, knows Carl, but doesn't vouch for him. I, I don't understand what their relationship is, Carl and Shep.
1:52:27 Chris Ryan? I think it's just doing prison time with each other. Yeah. I don't, I, oh, I thought Shep didn't know who Carl was. I thought he's like, don't know that guy. Don't vouch for him.
1:52:34 Speaker 05 Well, he's lying because the second.
1:52:36 Chris Ryan? Oh, right. Carl's in his house.
1:52:37 Speaker 05 Comes in, he says, Shep, what are you doing? I was banging that girl.
1:52:39 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:52:40 Speaker 05 And they're, they're at his house.
1:52:41 Chris Ryan? Maybe he's just being honest. I don't vouch for him.
1:52:43 Speaker 05 Yeah. He maybe, yeah, doesn't like him. I think it's because Shep and Grimzer, they're one of a kind. They don't fucking talk. Like they're very violent, whereas Carl never shuts the fuck up. And I think that's the worst thing you can do as a criminal is keep talking.
1:52:55 Bill Simmons? One of the things I always learned from these crime movies is you're just more likely to commit more crimes after you get out of prison with people you served time with.
1:53:04 Speaker 05 Hmm.
1:53:05 Bill Simmons? So really the move is to, when you get out of prison, cut all the ties with the people you're in prison with, because that's where they're gonna look immediately to see if, well, was he in the, wherever?
1:53:14 Chris Ryan? I just think that that's a level of sophisticated planning that would rob us of so many good crime movies.
1:53:18 Speaker 05 Also, when you're in prison, like, just don't ever call anybody slick.
1:53:21 Chris Ryan? That's right.
1:53:22 Bill Simmons? Yeah. Any sort of nickname, don't really have any traits that people can point to.
1:53:25 Chris Ryan? Say what? Say what? Slick?
1:53:26 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:53:27 Speaker 05 It changes the whole movie.
1:53:29 Bill Simmons? What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? I just want to say I really like the cop jackets.
1:53:36 Chris Ryan? Oh, yeah?
1:53:36 Bill Simmons? With the, with the fur hoods.
1:53:38 Speaker 05 The brown ones?
1:53:38 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:53:38 Bill Simmons? Yeah. I think if you got like a game used for like, what was her, her dumb partner's name?
1:53:43 Speaker 05 Lou?
1:53:44 Chris Ryan? Lou.
1:53:44 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:53:45 Speaker 05 Game used Lou hat?
1:53:45 Bill Simmons? Game used Lou, like, like vest jacket thing?
1:53:49 Chris Ryan? You could do some like walk and talks around LA wearing that. Yeah.
1:53:51 Bill Simmons? Yeah. When it gets cold, uh, I would also offer a Gustafson Motors sign.
1:53:57 Chris Ryan? Yes.
1:53:58 Bill Simmons? Like just have that right over there. Just like a little.
1:54:00 Speaker 05 Gustafson Motors here would be really cool.
1:54:01 Bill Simmons? Yeah. Gustafson Motors.
1:54:02 Speaker 05 I was, uh, I was really charmed during the Ace Ventura pod, listening to Craig Horlbeck's naivete about isotoner gloves and Dan Marino.
1:54:09 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:54:09 Speaker 05 That he couldn't wrap his mind around just leisure gloves, because it's a really weird concept. Uh, Carl has driving gloves for the entire movie.
1:54:15 Chris Ryan? It's so good.
1:54:15 Speaker 05 With the open knuckles and everything. And I'm like, I think I'm ready to enter a driving glove phase in my life.
1:54:20 Chris Ryan? Driving slippers. As well, that'd be great.
1:54:22 Speaker 05 I mean, slippers.
1:54:23 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:54:23 Speaker 05 I, I want Carl's gloves and I'd like to just drive to like baseball practice.
1:54:27 Bill Simmons? What are the driving, as you know, I love to drive. What are the driving gloves? Is it better grip? Like, what am I getting out of it?
1:54:32 Chris Ryan? I think it's less, less pressure on your hands. So it's like, there's a pat there.
1:54:36 Speaker 05 I think it goes back to when there wasn't power steering and you had to really twist the wheel.
1:54:40 Bill Simmons? Oh, interesting.
1:54:40 Speaker 05 I think it's that old school and now I just think it's stylish.
1:54:42 Chris Ryan? Guys who were just like, I gotta drive six hours. My hands are gonna get calfs. I don't.
1:54:46 Bill Simmons? Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi were best, worst life lesson. There's more to life than a little money, you know? Don't you know that?
1:54:53 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:54:54 Bill Simmons? That's gotta be the life lesson.
1:54:55 Speaker 05 I had a Mr. Miyagi worst life, life advice. Uh, the kids like to say this.
1:55:00 Chris Ryan? Twice in a day.
1:55:00 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:55:02 Speaker 05 Worst. Uh, the kids like to say, oh, shoot your shot. Like Mike Yanagie, don't shoot that shot.
1:55:07 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:55:07 Speaker 05 Sometimes you don't shoot your shot.
1:55:09 Chris Ryan? Take, take the social cues, Mike.
1:55:10 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:55:11 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:55:11 Speaker 05 Don't, he even said, I shouldn't have done this.
1:55:12 Bill Simmons? He was deranged.
1:55:13 Speaker 05 I know. Linda Cooksey, he was bothering her for a long time.
1:55:17 Bill Simmons? Booth move was fast, but I might have waited 20 minutes.
1:55:20 Speaker 05 So, but he had his third drink.
1:55:22 Chris Ryan? Mike's been sitting there drinking Dewar's though. Like maybe he's got a lot of liquid confidence.
1:55:26 Speaker 05 It looks like a Dewar's.
1:55:26 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:55:27 Speaker 05 I saw that.
1:55:27 Chris Ryan? Dewar's feels like a lunchtime at the Radisson drink.
1:55:29 Speaker 05 Same color of Dewar's. That's so, I wrote down Dewar's. That's so funny, Chris.
1:55:33 Bill Simmons? I, again, to defend Mike, I think when she picks the place and it's a hotel, I think you think you're ready to roll. She answered the phone in 10:45.
1:55:41 Speaker 05 Yeah. She's excited as hell about it.
1:55:44 Bill Simmons? She's dressed up.
1:55:45 Speaker 05 Another city with the husband at home. She even says, we've been married a long time in the scene. Like she's a little excited. She wasn't gonna do anything but a little walk on the wild side.
1:55:54 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:55:55 Bill Simmons? Best double feature choice?
1:55:56 Chris Ryan? No country.
1:55:58 Speaker 05 Eight millimeter.
1:56:01 Chris Ryan? Double.
1:56:02 Speaker 05 I want more storm air. I want more storm air. I got it written down. Eight millimeter. Uh, one of the most intense theater experiences I've ever had. Terrified in that movie when he's walking through a machine house.
1:56:11 Chris Ryan? Millimeter with Kyle?
1:56:13 Bill Simmons? I didn't realize you liked the movie this much.
1:56:15 Speaker 05 Oh dude, yeah.
1:56:16 Bill Simmons? We'd have to have Van in it too. We're beginning to be able to do four, four person rewatchables again soon.
1:56:20 Chris Ryan? You're gonna have a new, new studio. Men's recovery project of guys talking about eight millimeter again.
1:56:27 Speaker 05 I gotta go back and listen to the first millimeter pod.
1:56:29 Bill Simmons? You're gonna see things you won't be able to unsee.
1:56:32 Speaker 05 When he's just looking through his fingers at that shit and it's just rolling on him. I love that movie.
1:56:37 Bill Simmons? Hardcore is on Tubi, by the way.
1:56:38 Chris Ryan? What's your double feature?
1:56:40 Bill Simmons? I have a triple.
1:56:41 Speaker 05 Oh, great.
1:56:41 Chris Ryan? My god.
1:56:42 Bill Simmons? Raising Arizona, Fargo, No Country.
1:56:44 Chris Ryan? There you go.
1:56:45 Bill Simmons? Every 10 years.
1:56:46 Speaker 05 Come on.
1:56:46 Bill Simmons? Checking with the Coens.
1:56:47 Speaker 05 Ladykillers.
1:56:49 Bill Simmons? I think they won the movie too. I have them for who won the movie.
1:56:51 Chris Ryan? It's a completely original depiction of the world.
1:56:55 Speaker 05 You know what I wrote down? I wrote down Minnesota.
1:56:58 Chris Ryan? Oh, way to go, Kyle.
1:56:59 Speaker 05 Pre Randy Moss, pre Joe Mauer, pre Jesse Ventura. This Marge Gunderson was like the face of Minnesota for a while.
1:57:06 Bill Simmons? Early KG. KG's on the team, but they don't know it's gonna be KG.
1:57:09 Speaker 05 Rookie year. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like Minnesotans might have a love hate with this movie because maybe that makes fun of them.
1:57:15 Chris Ryan? I think, I think this movie had like the only dip in its popularity was like any kind of feeling that it was mocking the people it was got. And this is a criticism the Coens get sometimes where it's like, oh, they're making fun of the people that they're depicting.
1:57:28 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:57:28 Chris Ryan? But I don't think that's truth. I just think that they see humor in it, you know?
1:57:31 Speaker 05 It's really funny.
1:57:32 Bill Simmons? We're gonna throw to Craig who's not here, but he's gonna, because he's at Indianapolis for the combo.
1:57:37 Speaker 05 Oh, gotta be there.
1:57:39 Bill Simmons? He's at St. Elmo's watching the Pat's beat reporter eat shrimp.
1:57:46 Bill Simmons? But Craig's gonna weigh in with his take right here.
1:57:49 Chris Ryan? All right, fellas, what's up? I am in Indianapolis right now. Not really, but at the time of this taping I was. So I'm gonna respond here in my own little solo video. And I gotta say, guys, I know you're not here right now, so you can't respond to me, but guys. Screenwriting's dead because what the Coen brothers are able to do with all of their movies, you almost forget how it used to be and how tight things used to be. I looked it up. The Coen brothers have made one movie that came out in theaters that was over two hours long, and it was No Country for Old Men. Was two hours and two minutes. Outside of that, you look at the 80s, the 90s and the 2000s. Raising Arizona, Blood Simple, Fargo, Burn After Reading, True Grit, Serious Man, all under an hour and 50 minutes.
1:58:35 Chris Ryan? So yeah, it made me realize screenwriting is dead. This is a 98 minute movie and it has everything you need. The length makes you want to re-watch it. The scenes are tight. They do exactly what they need to do and they get out and yet it doesn't feel rushed. It never feels rushed. So I love Fargo. I love the Coen Brothers.
1:58:53 Chris Ryan? I was a film major in college and I always felt like the Coen Brothers were making movies for young people who love movies. And they felt like film made your movies, not in a stuffy way, but in an attainable way. Like everything they do feels real and kind of handpicked. And like you can recreate it and like it makes you want to go out and do your own stuff. So I've always loved the Coen Brothers. Their movies are always slightly off balance. You kind of always watch with your head tilted a little bit. And they're really funny, dark, twisted, funny all the time, all of their movies.
1:59:26 Chris Ryan? Also, one of my favorite things about Coen Brothers movies in general, and specifically with Fargo, is the casting. Everybody in this movie looks like a real human being. Bill Macy, Buscemi, Frances McDormand, all the way down. John Carroll Lynch, who's been in like four of the last five re-watchables we've done, Peter Stormill, and keep going, all the way through. They all look like real people. And I just think that makes such a difference. And it's a little different now, the way that things are casted and half of the side characters we have now have like, need to have 500,000 Instagram or TikTok followers to be casted in a movie so that you can market a little bit more. But they all feel like real people. And the person now who I think is doing that similarly is Tim Robinson, who when you watch a show like The Chair Company, or his movie Friendship or things like that,
2:00:12 Chris Ryan? everyone in those movies feels real. And it's fascinating and to me, it just, it makes you more invested in the story. So I love the Coen Brothers. I love Fargo. I think the scene where both of the guys are having sex in the motel next to one another, followed by the four of them watching The Tonight Show is one of the funniest scenes in movie history. So that is my review, five out of five on Letterboxd. Thanks, guys.
2:00:37 Bill Simmons? All right. Thanks, Craig. I can't believe Craig has a thing for pregnant women. That's so fucking weird.
2:00:41 Speaker 05 I respect it, buddy. Respect it.
2:00:44 Bill Simmons? Really hardcore.
2:00:45 Chris Ryan? Send it out to Indianapolis and see what happens.
2:00:47 Bill Simmons? That's it. Well, we did it. CR Month.
2:00:49 Speaker 05 Hell, yes.
2:00:50 Bill Simmons? We have two in the books.
2:00:51 Speaker 05 How you feel, Chris?
2:00:51 Bill Simmons? We have three movies left.
2:00:52 Chris Ryan? So far, so good.
2:00:53 Speaker 05 Good.
2:00:53 Chris Ryan? Yeah. You know, it's a lot of pressure.
2:00:55 Speaker 05 Are the three movies mapped out?
2:00:57 Chris Ryan? We have a couple mapped out. We have three mapped out.
2:01:00 Bill Simmons? We know we're ending the month with LA Confidential.
2:01:02 Chris Ryan? Yes.
2:01:02 Bill Simmons? And there's two more that we don't know.
2:01:04 Chris Ryan? We're negotiating with each other.
2:01:06 Speaker 05 You got Bud White, Chris?
2:01:07 Bill Simmons? It's your call.
2:01:09 Chris Ryan? I know.
2:01:10 Bill Simmons? Yeah, we even like dived out of Netflix. We dived out of Netflix for this.
2:01:13 Chris Ryan? Yeah. So we'll see.
2:01:15 Bill Simmons? Find it on other platforms.
2:01:16 Speaker 05 LA Confidential ends the month.
2:01:18 Chris Ryan? Mm-hmm.
2:01:18 Speaker 05 How about I give you your balls back, you wop cocksucker?
2:01:23 Speaker 05 I fucking love Bud White.
2:01:26 Speaker 05 I'll be listening, folks.
2:01:29 Chris Ryan? Move me off the stage this day.
2:01:31 Speaker 05 Nah, come on.
2:01:32 Bill Simmons? That was watching Gus and Zane back to back.
2:01:34 Chris Ryan? Oh, my God.
2:01:35 Bill Simmons? It was just an honor to be here.
2:01:36 Chris Ryan? Gus is so good.
2:01:37 Bill Simmons? I felt like I was at a buffet with Swedish meatballs and chicken fricassee. Thanks to Gahad Eduardo as well. And CR Month will be back next week with a movie we've talked about. I think it's the movie we... Should we just say what we're gonna do next week?
2:01:52 Chris Ryan? What are we doing next week?
2:01:53 Bill Simmons? Well, we were talking about a certain movie that we'd been talking about for a long time that recently became available.
2:01:58 Chris Ryan? Eddie and the Cruisers?
2:01:59 Speaker 05 Oh, shit. That's been years.
2:02:03 Chris Ryan? I've just... We gotta do it.
2:02:05 Bill Simmons? Words of music, CR.
2:02:08 Bill Simmons? Thanks, Kyle. Great to see you. Thanks, CR.
2:02:09 Speaker 05 Great to be here, Bill.
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