Haunted with Whitney Way Thore of My Big Fat Fabulous Life

In this special episode, Whitney Way Thore (My Big Fat Fabulous Life) joins us for a Salem séance (footage included), and spills her personal supernatural encounters—equal parts spine-tingling and side-splitting. We get into EVPs on cassette tapes, haunted dolls, unexpected spirit guests (looking at you, Peter from The Conjuring House), and some jaw-dropping psychic moments. Whitney gets real about witchcraft, manifestation, her psychic mom and how a little spooky magic can change your life. Plus, Corinne may or may not have supernaturally impregnated Whitney during the taping. It’s a spooky, hilarious, witchy and fabulously haunted episode. Make sure to watch My Big Fat Fabulous Life on TLC to catch Sabrina & Corinne on the show. New Episodes release Tuesdays at 9pm EST. Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited by Jaimi Ryan, produced by Emma Leventer & Jaimi Ryan, original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're so excited for this episode. Yes, we are. Because my senior year self manifested the reality of us becoming reality TV stars, I guess. And I feel like the weather today is celebrating this because it's August, but it feels like a crisp fall day, which is to us spooky season. And we got to do some spooky things with a spooky bad bitch. Whitney Waythor from My Big Fat Fabulous Life. If you haven't watched, it's season 13, spooky number 13 of My Big Fat Fabulous Life on TLC. And yours truly, your two spooky ghouls are on the show, which is wild. We're on a couple of episodes. Whitney comes to Salem,

• 3:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  or came to Salem, and we showed her a spooky time. And then the episode that comes out, the same day that this episode comes out, features Whitney here in the studio, recording this very episode you're about to watch. So enjoy. And tune into My Big Fat Fabulous Life on TLC.

• 3:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is three girls, indeterminate number of ghosts. Three girls, indeterminate number of ghosts. That was intimate. God, it felt good. And we are your ghostesses. That is Corinne. Hello. I am Sabrina, and we are joined today by an extra special witchy sister, Whitney.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  Hi, I'm Whitney.

• 4:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hello, Whitney.

• 4:12Speaker 02

  So excited to be here.

• 4:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're so happy to have you here.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  I've never been happier, actually, in my life. This is a real life fantasy come true.

• 4:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is it bad that I'm concerned for you that this is the happiest you've ever been?

• 4:24Speaker 02

  Probably. But just let me live in my world.

• 4:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. Let you live your life.

• 4:29Speaker 02

  Let me experience the disappointment later, but for now, I'm still excited.

• 4:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm so glad you're happy right now. That's all that matters.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like you're a queen at manifesting because we're listening to Two Girls One Ghost and now you're on it.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  Look, y'all have been in bed with me for a long time. And now I am in the studio, so.

• 4:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do you ever fall asleep to our podcast? Because some people say that.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  Constantly, but it's a good thing. Like, I don't listen to it to fall asleep because I don't like it. I listen to it to fall asleep because it soothes me and it makes me feel comfortable. And then the next day, if I didn't listen to the whole thing, I just replay it and I replay it until I'm done with the episode.

• 5:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow, that's commitment.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  And recently, I got really sick. I had the flu for the first time since I was in college. I actually went back because I think I've only been listening to you guys for like three years or maybe four years. So I went all the way back to the very beginning because I was so ill and I just was in my bed for like, I think, eight full days. And all I did was listen to your podcast from the very beginning.

• 5:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The early days?

• 5:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I want to say, you've always been good, but you're just getting better.

• 5:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thank you.

• 5:28Speaker 02

  Just want to say that.

• 5:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know what? I hope, I hope so because we did not know what we were doing. And now we're in a phase where we're doing spooky things. And we did a really spooky thing with you.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  I know.

• 5:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In Salem.

• 5:40Speaker 02

  I know.

• 5:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We did a seance. We did a paranormal investigation. We did table tipping. We did, what was it? The automatic writing?

• 5:50Speaker 02

  Yes, so many things that we've never done. We've talked about, we've covered on the show, but we'd never done it until we piggybacked on your girl's trip. And I'm so excited because I have never until this trip or until that trip been up to Massachusetts. Certainly never been to Salem, so this is like a huge dream come true for me. Also, I am from North Carolina, wherein there are the Appalachian Mountains. I went to Appalachian State University, okay? So there's a haint or two.

• 6:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or two or three.

• 6:18Speaker 02

  And I feel like a southern haint is a little bit different than a New England haint.

• 6:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's spooky.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? It's, a southern haint is like woods and creeks and the hauler and the Sasquatch.

• 6:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's what I'm thinking, like.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, and delivery, yes. That is, that's a southern haint.

• 6:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. And a New England haint. Is very historic and very witchy. The redcoats are coming. And yes.

• 6:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  So it's a whole different vibe.

• 6:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 6:44Speaker 02

  But I was really excited to experience it. I thought we had an amazing time.

• 6:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was so much fun.

• 6:49Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So this episode, we're gonna do a little bit of like showing some footage from our investigation, from the seance as we talk about it. But we also, you've teased us so much about your own paranormal experiences. So we gotta start there.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  Sabrina, I'm gonna be honest with you. I definitely over-promised and I will now under-deliver. Because I don't have the audio and you know, no one's-

• 7:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, it's still a good story because you've told me, you've told me before.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  I don't know that it's a good one. It's just like my only one. Well, I did have that under-trampoline ghost who touched my ass once.

• 7:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, what?

• 7:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, I'll get to that.

• 7:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so yeah.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  Okay, duh. And, and, and like you, I love like a sex ghost. I pray for an entity to enter my body. I want to penetrate me fully.

• 7:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm there with you.

• 7:40Speaker 02

  I need it so bad.

• 7:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Consensual penetration.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  And I'm telling you right now, to any and all.

• 7:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 7:46Speaker 02

  You have, you have the okay.

• 7:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, I feel like that's a risky thing to say though, given from where you're from because it doesn't, I mean, like, any entities?

• 7:54Speaker 02

  I don't care if you're a Wendy boy. I don't care if you're a not-deer.

• 7:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my gosh.

• 7:57Speaker 02

  I don't care if you're a flesh pedestrian.

• 7:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, the not, the not-deer though, their limbs are kind of wonky. I don't really know what that's-

• 8:03Speaker 02

  I think an antler might be fun and-

• 8:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my gosh.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  What in the shape of water, Whitney? I don't care if you're a diamond.

• 8:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my god.

• 8:12Speaker 02

  Get into it.

• 8:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is a rated R episode for everyone who's listening.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  And we should probably let everybody know, if you wanna see other footage of this, of course, you can see this on My Big Fat Fabulous Life.

• 8:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know when that will air and I don't know when this will air, but-

• 8:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll try to air them around the same time. And if people are watching on YouTube, you might also notice some cameras in the background because we're filming.

• 8:36Speaker 02

  We have Garrett there. Garrett?

• 8:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wave.

• 8:39Speaker 02

  A little wave.

• 8:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Little-

• 8:40Speaker 02

  Hi Garrett, we've got Marlene. She is our staunch German engineer and then we've got Trevor. He's the eye candy.

• 8:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Over by Sven.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Hi Sven. Hi, big boy.

• 8:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He's a little bit worse for wear. Limbless.

• 8:54Corinne Vien?

  That's actually a mystery of this office is we left him in here. Fully complete.

• 8:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:59Corinne Vien?

  Whole body. I didn't come back into the office for maybe a month or two. Suddenly broken in pieces.

• 9:05Speaker 02

  So.

• 9:07Corinne Vien?

  What is left of him is hanging here. He was literally sitting in a chair. And then when I came back in, like post maternity leave, he was in pieces.

• 9:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  His lower half ran away.

• 9:16Speaker 02

  And I'm confusion mild to moderate about that because.

• 9:19Corinne Vien?

  Me too.

• 9:19Speaker 02

  You know, but I say we let Sven live his best life. Who knows what he was getting into in here?

• 9:23Corinne Vien?

  He clearly didn't want his bottom half, didn't need it.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  Didn't need it. You know what? Life would be easier if I could just get rid of mine. Life would be easier.

• 9:31Corinne Vien?

  You need yours, though, if.

• 9:35Speaker 02

  Nobody's using, it's just here for taken, it's not being used.

• 9:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, you know, you put it out there in the universe and I hope for you, Whitney, that that really does happen for you.

• 9:45Speaker 02

  Me too, I hope so too. You know, this is a quick trip back up here, but I thought to myself, like, I want to pick up an entity while I'm here and bring it back. You know what I mean?

• 9:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You have some opportunity, but you have ghost stories.

• 9:59Speaker 02

  Okay, so like I said, it's, it's, nobody get excited. However, when I was 10 years old, I did have a Michael Jackson hate. A lot of people want to be hated by Michael Jackson, but very few actually are. So when I was, I think in fifth grade, I had a tape and, and you guys are going to have to really go back with me because I'm older than you. And some of our listeners here might be young, but back in the day, you had to like tape songs off the radio.

• 10:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like cassette tapes.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  Or you bought it.

• 10:25Corinne Vien?

  We're the last, I think, of that group to do that.

• 10:27Speaker 02

  Okay, good. So you guys are still aware of that?

• 10:29Corinne Vien?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 10:30Speaker 02

  Okay, because I had an assistant who was your age.

• 10:31Corinne Vien?

  Transition to CDs.

• 10:32Speaker 02

  And I asked her once to go grab the Walkman that was in my office and she literally had no idea what I was talking about. Anyway, shout out to Morgan. So I had this cassette tape that had been recorded from a someone's CD. And it was the Michael Jackson Bad album, okay? And I listened to it. All day long, all the time. And I just had a little boombox with, you know, the one tape deck. And back then, if you wanted to record something on top of it, you had to hit play and record at the same time. And then you could like literally put your voice on it, right?

• 11:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep.

• 11:06Speaker 02

  So I listened to it constantly. I was so familiar with it. And I went to school one day, I'd been listening to it, came home. I played it again. I was listening to the song Bad. We all know this one, right?

• 11:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Now you want to sing it for us?

• 11:17Speaker 02

  No. And I lied. It wasn't Bad. It was Beat It.

• 11:22Speaker 02

  So yeah, exactly. So I played it and all of a sudden, there was like a crackle. And a voice came on, but it didn't totally come over top. Like you could still hear the music in the background, which back then, that would have been impossible to do. Like you would have had to been a sound engineer to like know how to do that. And you hear this like breathy, scary voice. And she goes, "This is Annie." Just like that.

• 11:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is Annie?

• 11:48Speaker 02

  Sounded to me like, "This is Annie." It's two breaths, "This is Annie." And then full volume comes back, okay?

• 11:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 11:55Speaker 02

  Right. So I immediately think that my brother has done it to fuck with me. Because he used to also like put with chalk, right? Draw on the brick of the house like big, uh, big footprints. Bigfoot can't walk up walls.

• 12:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He might be able to.

• 12:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, we don't know.

• 12:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We don't know.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  So immediately I blame my brother, right? Go to my parents. My parents are so mad at him because he's messed up my Michael Jackson tape. He's like about to get grounded. But then he like starts crying, like, so once he starts crying, it's like, "He didn't do it," right? So that's the Michael Jackson hate. And for years, all the way until I was in high school, when we moved to another house, I would play that tape for people. And I would always be so afraid that it would be gone, you know? And I'm like, "No, no, I'm going to prove it to you. Here it is." But it was never gone. It was always there. And my mother, she was a creepy witch, okay? Her name was Babs. And she, we used to have Halloween parties and she would play it. And she used to like have to present herself to the children and be like, "This is real," because nobody believed me. She would pull up the Ouija board.

• 12:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No. Who's Annie?

• 12:55Speaker 02

  We don't, we'll never know. But Annie's clearly not okay.

• 12:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, the way that like the really breathy, it's almost like she was running to take an opportunity.

• 13:05Speaker 02

  "This is Annie." Yeah.

• 13:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so creepy.

• 13:07Speaker 02

  She, she wanted me for something and I never gave it to her. Here I am like 30 years later and I just still don't know what she, what she needed, but.

• 13:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Annie, if you are with us, what if all of the lights went out?

• 13:19Speaker 02

  Do you know I've never tried to contact Annie?

• 13:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Really?

• 13:22Corinne Vien?

  What were you doing with the Ouija board then?

• 13:23Speaker 02

  Well, my mom and I had one Ouija board hain.

• 13:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Uh huh.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  Some guy who had died and driven off a cliff.

• 13:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my god.

• 13:29Speaker 02

  And I don't remember his name. And then one time, we had a perfume hain and a cigar hain. And then I had the trampoline hain. Okay, I've had a few hains.

• 13:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I wanna, I wanna hear about the trampoline booty.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  The trampoline hain?

• 13:39Corinne Vien?

  Booty toucher.

• 13:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, when I was in middle school, we had a trampoline in the backyard and my friend and I, uh, we would be out there like late at night, sitting on the trampoline, just talking. And there would be something that would grab our butts from underneath.

• 13:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ew!

• 13:52Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 13:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Purvy ghost.

• 13:53Speaker 02

  Yep, maybe like a...

• 13:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That could have been your, I mean, granted, you were in middle school, but go back.

• 13:58Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 13:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's, it'd be like, hey, it's been a long time.

• 14:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, come back to me.

• 14:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I've known you for a really long time.

• 14:04Corinne Vien?

  I'm of age now.

• 14:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A level.

• 14:05Speaker 02

  I'm of a certain age now. Uh, that was my trampoline troll, yeah.

• 14:09Corinne Vien?

  I just keep thinking about what it could possibly be. I'm scared for you.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  I feel like it could have been some sort of troll because it definitely felt to me, because I've had my butt grabbed a time or two. I'll be honest, I'm 41. I'm 41, so yeah.

• 14:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  By humans or ghosts?

• 14:21Speaker 02

  Humans.

• 14:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 14:22Speaker 02

  So it felt to me as though it was someone standing and pushing their hands up. Because if you were seated, I don't know, I just, I, so I have to believe that it's like a two foot tall.

• 14:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  Being.

• 14:35Corinne Vien?

  I know I talk a lot about Bigfoot and I'm such a Bigfoot lover.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  So am I.

• 14:39Corinne Vien?

  But if I did get to see like one, sort of like cryptid creature, I really would love to see like a troll or a gnome or something like that. Like that to me feels so, I guess, because there's the possibility of communication, right? Like I might be able to talk to them.

• 14:56Speaker 02

  Right. And they like live in a tree or something?

• 14:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like you're more likely to talk to Bigfoot than a troll.

• 15:01Corinne Vien?

  Hoo, hoo. Huh? Huh?

• 15:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're, you're well on your way.

• 15:07Speaker 02

  Wait, didn't I give you guys a Bigfoot call?

• 15:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 15:09Speaker 02

  What is that? I wonder what sound it makes?

• 15:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, where is it? It's over in the kitchen still.

• 15:13Speaker 02

  Oh man.

• 15:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I wasn't sure even what sound that, that would make, but I feel like with a troll... I feel like they are more human, so maybe there's a chance that they could speak the language. To me, it feels very green witch, very like magical, very like lives, you know, in the trunk of a tree.

• 15:30Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 15:30Speaker 02

  Like.

• 15:31Corinne Vien?

  Waters my tribes for me.

• 15:33Speaker 02

  Mushrooms are about, things like that. Yeah, I can see that. I like that.

• 15:37Corinne Vien?

  We've never covered trolls on the podcast. We've only done gnomes.

• 15:39Speaker 02

  You know what I found in the attic recently?

• 15:41Corinne Vien?

  What?

• 15:42Speaker 02

  Well, okay, my dad, this is off topic. I'm also trying to get pregnant. Okay, so my dad had gone up in the attic and gotten me all this stuff from my childhood that my mother had like saved for me. And one of the things was a huge box of my troll dolls. Remember those from like the 90s?

• 15:56Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 15:57Speaker 02

  I have like a hundred of them.

• 15:59Corinne Vien?

  I love their little spiky hair. I was so obsessed with just stroking their hair, touching their hair.

• 16:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:04Corinne Vien?

  I feel like there's a lot of witchy things that you can do to try to get pregnant too. There's a lot of different rituals. But I feel like one of the things that a lot of people do is like wrapping up a baby blanket or like a onesie underneath their Christmas tree, just to say like, next year, there will be. Eating apple seeds apparently too. Oh, well. That's like a New England superstition.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  I had a full-on womb ritual performed by my friend Ashley. It definitely didn't work, so I actually ordered some sperm, okay? I've got three chance.

• 16:32Corinne Vien?

  From Amazon?

• 16:34Speaker 02

  Add to cart, add to cart. I ordered it from a site, okay? I get, they send one sample at a time and they send it in this big like nitrogen tank thing. So I did have an at-home insemination kit. And before that, Ashley performed an entire womb ritual, which she said that she like extensively researched. We had to make these like twig dolls to like keep under the bed. She painted like an egg wash onto my stomach. We, well, actually it was really sad. She went to sage my undercarriage and the sage went out immediately.

• 17:09Speaker 02

  So my pussy put that sage right on out, right on out.

• 17:13Corinne Vien?

  I said, I don't need to be cleansed.

• 17:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm obsessed with this.

• 17:18Speaker 02

  We did a lot. There was also a turtle involved. Do you know about turtles being something like some sign of fertility?

• 17:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know.

• 17:24Speaker 02

  She brought like a, I thought it was real at first and I was terrified. She brought a turtle in an aquarium into the room to bear witness.

• 17:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What a good friend.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  It was really.

• 17:35Corinne Vien?

  These are extremely.

• 17:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  These are, yeah.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  I'll say one thing, my friends are very supportive and everyone really wants me to get pregnant and unfortunately it hasn't happened. I did the first insemination by myself and then the second insemination, I'm gonna have the doctor do.

• 17:51Corinne Vien?

  Okay. Did you like lay backwards or something?

• 17:54Speaker 02

  Well, after, yeah, after.

• 17:56Corinne Vien?

  Let it base?

• 17:56Speaker 02

  Yep. I had to lay down and, and hold that position for a little while. Yep.

• 18:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow. Mm-hmm. I'm really picturing it now.

• 18:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm glad you are. I can't get it out of my head.

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow. Well, we're, we're wishing and hoping for you and sending all of our fertility magic right away.

• 18:14Corinne Vien?

  I know. I'm like racking my brain right now, trying to think of all the different rituals and like things that we could do.

• 18:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You have like a weird gift. Corinne has a weird gift.

• 18:23Corinne Vien?

  Oh, what's that?

• 18:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like every time you think someone.

• 18:25Corinne Vien?

  If I point my finger and say something, it tends to happen, which is really creepy.

• 18:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Point at her.

• 18:30Corinne Vien?

  I've accidentally had people.

• 18:32Speaker 02

  I'm taking Harry away just so you don't inseminate him. It's like, it's not about you, Harry.

• 18:36Corinne Vien?

  I've accidentally had people die, but I've also accidentally had.

• 18:39Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm sorry, boss.

• 18:41Corinne Vien?

  Become pregnant.

• 18:42Speaker 02

  I've accidentally had people die.

• 18:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A teacher.

• 18:45Speaker 02

  Wait, do I want to risk die? Okay, so either if you point my finger, I'm gonna die.

• 18:49Corinne Vien?

  It was me.

• 18:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She said, yeah, she said.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  Don't point my finger yet.

• 18:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She said specifically with her finger, like, I curse you.

• 18:55Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And my brother, same thing, but like one time he's done it, that person did also perish. So we were both like, whoa.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 19:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But you've also like.

• 19:04Corinne Vien?

  But then I.

• 19:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, you've had it happen with pregnancies and stuff.

• 19:07Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So the, a few friends that have tried to get pregnant within like a few days of me being like, you're next.

• 19:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whitney is womb out, like.

• 19:14Corinne Vien?

  What are, what are we? Okay, well, I can't do it under pressure. I'm just gonna do it at some random point during this episode.

• 19:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 19:20Speaker 02

  I'm ready. Okay, I'll just be ready. I mean, I'll stay ready. I stay, I stay ready.

• 19:24Corinne Vien?

  You stay ready. Cause I don't want to, like, I have to feel it. It has to like just be completely natural and come and then I'll.

• 19:30Speaker 02

  Inseminate, yeah.

• 19:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It has to come. You have to come.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  I'll come and I'll throw it at you.

• 19:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You have had a lot of paranormal experiences. And then we had quite a few things happen when we were at the Henry Derby House. And specifically with the seance where Leanne from Pentagram came and kind of like walked us through different forms of communicating. But your mom came through, Henchy, your cat came through.

• 19:58Corinne Vien?

  Which I also just have to point out that you booked the house being like, oh, my God, I booked this really cool, like, historical, old-looking New England house. And you send us the listing and we're like, we just were there, that place is super haunted. We just did a full investigation. And you're like, oh, my God.

• 20:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I didn't even realize when I booked it. I was like, oh, my God, I think this house is so cool. And then you're like, we were just there. I was like, oh.

• 20:20Corinne Vien?

  But also, like, it's haunted. And you had some people in your party that were a little scared by that.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Honestly, you know, for me, I thought it was all very interesting. I'll be honest, I don't know that I ever felt scared. I felt intrigued. I felt curious. I felt interested. I never felt scared, but the scariest thing in that house to me was that doll, Courtney.

• 20:44Corinne Vien?

  How was that scary? You were breastfeeding the doll.

• 20:48Corinne Vien?

  I feel like you felt super connected to it.

• 20:49Speaker 02

  And I did, and I did feel connected, but she wanted to creep me out at first. But then I felt that she needed to be breastfed. And this is the thing with me. So obviously, I have not been a mother yet, but I have breastfeeding dreams. Sometimes it's an iguana hanging off the tip. Sometimes it's a dog, it's a ferret. You just don't know what it's gonna be.

• 21:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What does that mean?

• 21:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, what does that mean? Where's Freud?

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Exactly. But usually, the scary thing is, the reason I immediately breastfed Courtney is because in my dreams, what always happens is I like come to, like, I'll just be going about my day somewhere. And all of a sudden, I'm like, well, holy crap, I have an infant that needs to be breastfed. And then I have to go in search of said infant, whether it's a ferret or a baby or whatever it is. And then I find it, and I always think it's dead. And I put it to my teat. And I encourage it to suckle. And if I don't bring that thing back to life, and it's always that way, that's always how I dream it.

• 21:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're making this sound like so romantic and like.

• 21:51Corinne Vien?

  Wait, no, but this is turning into a horror movie, like the pressure.

• 21:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, but to talk out of my ass, because I don't know anything about dream interpretation, but it does feel like it's a metaphor for how much energy you give to other people.

• 22:05Corinne Vien?

  I was thinking the same thing.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 22:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you're constantly pouring into others.

• 22:08Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 22:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Literally to the point where you're giving them life and giving them your own resources.

• 22:16Speaker 02

  That's very interesting. I've never thought about it that way. I always took it, I guess, more literally because I've always wanted to be a mom, but then I have a lot of anxiety about being a mom. I'm sure Corinne, you can probably relate to that, like, unless you just think that you're just a great mom and you don't have any worries, well then, forget you.

• 22:31Corinne Vien?

  Then fuck you.

• 22:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, fuck you.

• 22:33Corinne Vien?

  I'm over here riddled with postpartum depression and anxiety. I think I have the most worries.

• 22:38Speaker 02

  Exactly. So I always took it like that. And, and sometimes it like kind of scared me because I was like, God, would I be one of those moms that just like forgets they have a child, like, you know? And that's, that anxiety in the dream is horrible. Just like the moment that I realize, when I remember that I have an infant somewhere.

• 22:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 22:56Corinne Vien?

  My body's like reacting to this story. I feel so anxious. Now I'm just like, did I just forget that I had a child?

• 23:03Speaker 02

  No, you didn't. He's right outside. I saw him earlier.

• 23:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, he's here. He's present.

• 23:08Speaker 02

  And he's right cute about it. He is right, right cute about it. Yeah.

• 23:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So what's the strangest thing you've breastfed in your dreams?

• 23:15Speaker 02

  Well, probably an animal. I really think there was one time where there was an iguana. And, and that was weird to me because it's not usually reptilians. It's usually mammals that I'm feeding. And I remember the iguana was just kind of hanging there. Like, I transported him. Like, he had mobile feeding.

• 23:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, wow. Lining on the gun.

• 23:35Speaker 02

  He was just dangling there.

• 23:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you were hands free?

• 23:38Corinne Vien?

  That is a dream. It is really hard to just breastfeed on the go.

• 23:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm sure it is.

• 23:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 23:43Speaker 02

  So, you know, I have actually very vivid dreams. I'm sure you guys have done some sort of dream episode, have you?

• 23:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We've done different, like, listener story dreams.

• 23:53Corinne Vien?

  But not, no, like, interpretation.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  Because I remember once, I think these were encounters, but like where people would, there's a name for this, where they would meet in like a dream world.

• 24:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like astral projection.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  That kind of thing, but I've never astral projected, but I have very vivid dreams, more than anyone I've ever met. I dream constantly so many things. It's like a movie. It's sometimes it's premonition, like it's cra-

• 24:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What premonitions have you had? Okay, this is, this is the weirdest one, but it was the first one I remember ever having when I was younger. Okay.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  I had this dream, like I said, I dream like movies. I mean, the details, it's crazy. And I was just looking at this cooler. I was kind of like on a bank. There was water in front of me. There was a big cooler and there was a big old fish, like a gutted fish laying on some ice, right? No idea what it meant, just that that image was with me. Not two days later, did I go with my brother to some like Boy Scout thing? And I walked over and looked down into this cooler and saw this big old gutted fish laying on it. It was exactly what I dreamed. Exactly.

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• 25:07Corinne Vien?

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• 26:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so interesting because that makes me think about time. Like, is everything existing all at once? And it was like less of a premonition and it was more of like you were living it already.

• 26:59Speaker 02

  I saw it like...

• 27:01Corinne Vien?

  Did your mom have stuff like this happen too?

• 27:03Speaker 02

  My mom was very psychic. My mom was extremely psychic, just knowing things before they happened. And I was always the type like, you know, in school, for example, I just knew. Anytime I was going to be called on, I knew. Like every time I was like, oh, that's going to be me or whatever. And it always was. And she would use her powers. She was a good witch. She would use, well, she was kind of a bad witch. She would bring voodoo dolls to my soccer games, okay?

• 27:28Speaker 02

  And my dad was president of the soccer association.

• 27:30Corinne Vien?

  That is... My god.

• 27:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's the best boss badass bitch. Like, I love that.

• 27:38Corinne Vien?

  Pull up your dating app right now because that needs to be the answer to one of the prompts. Like immediately. Two truths and a lie. My mom would bring voodoo dolls to my soccer games.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  Babs Thor sitting there with her little soccer visor on with her voodoo. And she brought ones for other bitches, but y'all need a voodoo doll.

• 27:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  I've got an extra. And she would literally make the little, so if we were playing our rival, our rival team was the Soccer Bells. So we're playing the Soccer Bells.

• 28:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fuck the Soccer Bells.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  The Soccer Bells. She would have a little Soccer Bell uniform, you know, she would put, I mean, my mom went all in. She took motherhood very seriously.

• 28:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is amazing.

• 28:12Speaker 02

  And she's probably the reason for all my success and all my trauma, but she used to work on stuff for me, right? So I'd be like, Mom, I need you to work on this. She'd be like, Whitney, I'm working as much as I can, but that was just her putting her mental energy like towards something. And she died two years ago. And even when she, the last year of her life, when she was compromised a lot, like cognitively, she, but she was still there. She was definitely still there and I would still say to her sometimes like, Mommy, are you still working on things? Like working on my man or like who I'm gonna marry or whatever. And she was like, I'm working on it.

• 28:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I fully believe she's still working on it.

• 28:49Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Probably has more ability to work on it from the other side.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  I know, I know.

• 28:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I also keep trying to find a way to connect Annie to all of this and like, like what if Annie is your future child?

• 29:01Speaker 02

  Maybe. Like I've been looking for Annie like except for 30 years. I've been wanting to know about her.

• 29:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  I just don't know.

• 29:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I do feel like we hear stories like that too, where people will keep seeing, like they're almost like haunted by the image of this like young child or, or like this one person. And then they realize much later in life that that is their kid. When their kid is like seven or 14 or whatever, they're like, oh my God, that's them.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I just feel like, who knows? Because with me, my motherhood journey is still so wide open. Like I could get accidentally pregnant, although I've been trying for a long time to do that, never happened. But I could get accidentally pregnant, I could get inseminated. And then I really, I looked into adoption years ago, but you know what they told me?

• 29:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 29:44Speaker 02

  They told me that I didn't fit the criteria because of my BMI, my depression diagnosis and the fact that I was single. And I was like, if I wasn't single, fat and crazy, I wouldn't need to adopt, okay? Like I would, I would certainly have no problem. That, that's exactly why I'm here, see? So adoption might be difficult for me, but it's definitely something I've, oh, actually I've always considered that. And when I lived in Korea in my early twenties, adoption, this is about 15 years ago. So adoption was still really stigmatized there. And I always thought I would love to adopt a Korean baby. But I went on that website and they won't let me adopt their babies either.

• 30:18Corinne Vien?

  That's so crazy.

• 30:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 30:20Corinne Vien?

  I'm sorry.

• 30:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 30:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 30:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Especially when you like, look at, like, there's no test for parents. Yeah.

• 30:26Speaker 02

  And it's interesting because-

• 30:27Corinne Vien?

  Also, many of us are very medicated for all the same things.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  Certainly. And with the BMI thing, they just check the BMI, but they're not looking at, okay, but do you have high blood pressure? Do you have some, like, chronic illness? Like, are you not gonna be around for a- They're not checking any of that. They're only checking the BMI. So you could have, like, all these health problems and be thin, and they're like, yeah, cool, we'll give you a baby.

• 30:45Corinne Vien?

  Which is so wild.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  And BMI is also ridiculous.

• 30:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Of course, of course. Those are fake numbers. They don't, they don't actually indicate-

• 30:52Speaker 02

  No.

• 30:53Corinne Vien?

  The right, yeah.

• 30:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know what? I always say that this is like, the greatest thing is to be a pie on those charts, because if anyone tried to kidnap us, I'm like, I know that I would have a few seconds where they're struggling, where I could make some extra moves, right?

• 31:08Speaker 02

  You know, if we were in the Donald Trump pass incident or anything like that, we're in Siberia, we're in a plane crash, I'mma live off this fat for a long time. And see, then I also feel like, I'm like, I gotta learn some self-defense, because they would absolutely be trying to murder me first, because they could all eat me. Who wants to read something really crazy? Because I'm about to let you see something. Okay. So, you know, I've been on television for over a decade now, right? I just get the strangest messages from people. And this, I promise this relates. Who wants to read it?

• 31:41Corinne Vien?

  That they want to eat your toe?

• 31:42Speaker 02

  This is the message that I got yesterday.

• 31:44Corinne Vien?

  Oh, no.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  Please, go ahead. We could do a whole segment on-

• 31:48Corinne Vien?

  Stop.

• 31:48Speaker 02

  No, go ahead, read it.

• 31:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hello, Miss Whitney Thor. I am an 18-year-old boy who has dreamed since childhood that my flesh would be roasted, and you would eat me. I would like to be your food, and you would eat me. I ask you not to give up on my offer, because I have sweet and delicious flesh. If you accept my offer, let me know, so that my longstanding wish may come true.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  Y'all, and I have gotten some weird shit in life. Oh my god. That is the weirdest. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

• 32:20Corinne Vien?

  But this is like a thing where it goes beyond fetishes. Like, people have actually like signed up and died this way.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  I know. You know that Japanese guy?

• 32:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 32:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's that German one too, where like Craigslist.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  He's 18.

• 32:31Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I know that one. Yeah, 18 years old.

• 32:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  18 and he wants to be eaten by you, Whitney.

• 32:34Corinne Vien?

  I feel sick.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  Isn't it gross?

• 32:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's quite the honor. Of all people, he chose you.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  Usually, yeah, I feel it. Usually people want to eat me. So I was like, what?

• 32:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is a better.

• 32:44Speaker 02

  This is role reversal.

• 32:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I prefer this.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. But why, I started to really get into it as I was thinking. I was like, well, am I eating him like while he's alive? Because I'm like, if he's already dead, then he doesn't know he's being eaten, you know? So I'm like, how does that work exactly? And how would we go about it?

• 33:00Corinne Vien?

  Have you ever been to the Cannibal Museum in San Diego? I don't know if it's a traveling museum, but.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  No, no, I have not. But it sounds like you have.

• 33:07Corinne Vien?

  I have, but they have, at the very end, they have a really interesting like board where they have magnets and people on their way out can, can like vote on what they would consider cannibalism. Because after you learn all about it, it's like, well, what do you consider? Do you consider like if you?

• 33:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The skin particles that are in the air that we're breathing in every five seconds?

• 33:23Corinne Vien?

  Like dust breathing in, is that cannibalism? Is biting your fingernails and then, and then like literally swallowing it? Or like a booger or something?

• 33:31Speaker 02

  Saturday night with your partner? Is that cannibalism?

• 33:33Corinne Vien?

  Is that cannibalism? Right, exactly. So it is, it is an interesting, like, what's the line? Because if, if it's just truly defined by like.

• 33:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The line is literally severing off someone's body part?

• 33:45Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 33:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And cooking it up on a nice skillet or barbecue and adjusting it.

• 33:50Speaker 02

  I would say to me, it's gotta be something about the body part literally becoming unattached from the body.

• 33:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Like, that's a different ballgame. Like, if I'm licking your face, that's one thing. If I have your thumb in my mouth, we're in a different.

• 34:05Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I don't want to.

• 34:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Your severed thumb.

• 34:07Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:07Corinne Vien?

  You're severed.

• 34:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Some people like, some people like a thumb sucking, you know?

• 34:11Corinne Vien?

  I cannot relate at all to cannibalism, but what I can relate to is like, I could see myself being that lady who like wore diapers chopped off a penis and then like drove 12 hours straight and chucked it out the window.

• 34:22Speaker 02

  I'm sorry, what? Okay, I.

• 34:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I can see that too.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  I've listened to your podcast for a long time and that was the funniest, most shocking thing I've ever heard. Like, typically, like, I know you guys well enough from listening to you. I know where you're going with it.

• 34:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That was a curveball.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  I was unawares.

• 34:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That took me by surprise.

• 34:42Corinne Vien?

  That's rich. Okay.

• 34:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, the detail there. You're wearing a diaper as well.

• 34:46Corinne Vien?

  Well, no, this is the thing. You guys don't remember this?

• 34:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, this is a real person?

• 34:50Corinne Vien?

  Yes, yes. There was this woman a few years ago who she, she, I forget exactly why she wanted to do this, but...

• 34:56Speaker 02

  Motivation's unimportant.

• 34:57Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, motivation's unimportant, but her partner, she chopped off his penis, put on diapers and went on like a 12-hour road trip and chucked it out of the window.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Do you know what? I feel like this is the perfect amalgamation of Lorena Bobbitt and then that woman who was like, she worked in the space industry and she killed somebody like her boyfriend's lover or something. And she drove with diapers so that like she didn't have to stop.

• 35:21Corinne Vien?

  Right, right.

• 35:22Speaker 02

  That's like the two of these crossing.

• 35:23Corinne Vien?

  You gotta do what you gotta do.

• 35:25Speaker 02

  Where's your, where's your husband at?

• 35:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, right. His wedding ring was like lingering on a table there somewhere.

• 35:31Speaker 02

  Have you ever seen him today? No, I haven't seen, I, I, I've yet to meet Brian, so I don't know that he actually exists. And I'm just gonna put that out there for, for all your other listeners.

• 35:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Enjoy the lunch that Corinne has prepared for us after this.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  Oh, how exciting.

• 35:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's Brian on a platter.

• 35:46Corinne Vien?

  Sure, sure.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  I was like, oh, we're eating?

• 35:51Corinne Vien?

  Oh, God.

• 35:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Some tartare. How did we get here?

• 35:54Corinne Vien?

  I don't know, but we, we do need to go back to, let's talk about what actually happened when we were at.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 35:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, so let's talk about the séance a little bit more.

• 36:02Corinne Vien?

  Okay, at the Henry Derby House, which is where you and some of your girlfriends were staying.

• 36:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sabrina and I came, crashed the party.

• 36:08Corinne Vien?

  With some witchy Salem people.

• 36:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:09Speaker 02

  We were super happy about it.

• 36:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was really fun. And we had never done a séance before. That was our first time. We all sat around and Leanne led us through connecting. I mean, it was really interesting too, because I feel like since there was such a big group, I was like, how is she going to tap in and know who she's tapping into? But a lot of stuff came through and she seemed to be able to do it so quickly.

• 36:37Corinne Vien?

  I also was really surprised at what the séance was like, because I think from movies and stuff, like I was picturing the others where we're like all around a table and like someone's like basically getting like possessed.

• 36:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Eyes rolling back.

• 36:48Corinne Vien?

  I see the woman.

• 36:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:50Corinne Vien?

  That's kind of what I was thinking.

• 36:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Candles flickering.

• 36:51Corinne Vien?

  I was thinking it was gonna be like extra, extra spooky, but it was really beautiful. Like, there was a lot of connection between all of us during it.

• 36:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was peaceful.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I thought it was.

• 36:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Truly, the Cuddle Coven was born out of the seance.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, it felt very sisterhood-ish. And it just felt very, I almost thought seances were scary. Yeah, like, or like you didn't know what was gonna happen. But it just felt very comfortable and like, I would say it was affirming and encouraging and warm.

• 37:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  And I feel like almost everybody had somebody come through.

• 37:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know what the wildest thing actually for me was? When we were doing the automatic writing, and I actually didn't tell you this because I didn't, like, at the time, I was like, whoa. But Corinne had, like, her automatic writing was like a full sentence, like a full thought.

• 37:39Corinne Vien?

  Yours was really beautiful. I remember that.

• 37:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was 100% for me, and I believe it was my house communicating to me.

• 37:49Corinne Vien?

  Stop.

• 37:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because at the time, I was actually not living in my house. I was like, living in an apartment down the street, and I think the house missed me. And we'll have to, I have the piece of paper somewhere, but it was like, what was it, like, White House?

• 38:03Corinne Vien?

  It was like White House, like Dirt Road, which originally your house was built on Dirt Road. And then it was just like, yeah, I can't remember.

• 38:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, it was about like missing you and then...

• 38:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, there was a lot. I can't remember the details.

• 38:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And there were some specifics.

• 38:18Corinne Vien?

  I was so confused about it, and I was like, what is this? Because it felt like, and I kept seeing this like brunette woman, but like she wouldn't show her face. And it was like, she was cloaked, and it felt like there was kind of like this like stickiness between me and that person. Where I like, I couldn't fully figure out what was going on, so I didn't maybe know that it was Sabrina.

• 38:35Speaker 02

  You know what? This is crazy, and I was so, I know you're probably not supposed to be jealous while you're doing these. I was really jealous of your automatic writing because mine was like... I think I started writing like the, actually, I'm just gonna embarrass myself. I was just writing the lyrics to UB40's Red Red Wine. That's what my automatic writing was.

• 38:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, honestly, sometimes you have to like do stuff like that to get your brain like flowing and for you to not really think about something and then other stuff will come through.

• 38:59Speaker 02

  And then Corinne came out with this like poetic like narrative about a, about a house on a dirt road and then to now know that it actually was speaking to you.

• 39:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Isn't that wild?

• 39:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, that is crazy.

• 39:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was crazy because like I was so confused by it and then we were whispering on the side, like in that room, she was like pointing out like the lines that I was reading.

• 39:17Speaker 02

  Wait, you're chicken soup or whatever.

• 39:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I ran, because that was the thing, I was like, automatic writing is such a weird, we've never done it before. It does feel like, how do you differentiate between what is your own internal dialogue and what is like message from spirit? But I wrote down chicken and then I was like writing a couple of things and then I wrote soup and when we were going around, I was like, I don't know, like maybe this means something. I wrote chicken soup and Leanne was like, that's the title of the song that my mom and I loved.

• 39:48Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 39:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I was like, oh.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  Do you remember how Leanne knew that we had been to the Boston Ballet as well?

• 39:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 39:55Speaker 02

  Me and Ashley and Jessica, she was like, she wrote down Opera House. So I was like, yeah, we were to the very end.

• 40:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so, oh, I'm like getting chills right now because it's also spooky. It's like the spirits are all telling on us to each other. You have no secrets.

• 40:06Speaker 02

  They're always watching.

• 40:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're always watching. We might not know what it means, but like someone else in the room is like, well, fuck, that's my little secret.

• 40:12Speaker 02

  You really do because they will be airing your tea out to all manner of people.

• 40:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The one thing that I was just a little bit skeptical of in the experience.

• 40:22Speaker 02

  Oh, I bet I know what you're gonna say.

• 40:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Was the table tipping.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  Same, same.

• 40:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It just happened so fast. It was so fast and like Corinne and I were at the one end of the table and it was the only end of the table that wasn't really lifting and Corinne and I looked at each other as it was happening, we're like, I don't know.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  And we've had that experience a lot with like Ouija boards and stuff where it's like, like the two of us there, it doesn't move and then one other person's hand is on and then all of a sudden it's moving and we're like, hmm. That's how I felt. It didn't feel like anything was happening to me or I was like, some, some. Something's doing this, but it's not me like.

• 40:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  What is happening?

• 40:56Corinne Vien?

  Well, and we did bring it up to some other spooky people in the community. Where we were like, we witnessed our first table tipping, but we were not sure what to think of the experience. And one person told us, they were like, oh my gosh, you should see, and I can't remember the name of the guy. But they said that they witnessed table tipping. They've only witnessed it like one time before. And it was with this guy and he does it himself. So it's like.

• 41:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's wild.

• 41:19Corinne Vien?

  Like it's undeniable. Cause it's hard when there's like 10 people around a table where you're like, is everyone barely putting any pressure, but it's just enough.

• 41:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like light as a feather.

• 41:27Speaker 02

  See, I am really into a lot of spooky stuff, but I'll be honest, like I guess I'm a skeptic. Because I've had like tons of psychic readings, for example. And there's only been two instances in two readings, not even the full readings, just two little instances that actually impacted me. I want to believe, but if I don't just actually believe, I can't make myself believe.

• 41:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think healthy skepticism is good though, because you don't want to just believe everything.

• 41:55Speaker 02

  Right. That's coming from you guys. That's interesting.

• 41:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, yeah, cause we do believe everything. But we more believe everything when, if someone sends us their story, like who are we to say that that's not true?

• 42:07Corinne Vien?

  The anecdotes, we believe people's experiences that they share with us. But when we go like for readings. Or if we're in a particular group setting where we don't like really know all the people that are on an, on an investigation. We do have a lot of skepticism about like the energy brought in, like what is actually authentically true? Is someone just responding to our reactions and our faces? Is this actually a sign or a message?

• 42:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The other people because we don't know them.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  Cause you don't know.

• 42:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. It kills me like, especially with psychic readings, like, and I just can't, I'm a very like no bullshit type of person. I just can't like in any, in any instance. So when I have a psychic giving me a reading and they're saying something and they're looking at me like. Yeah, yeah. I'm just like.

• 42:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause they're looking for cues to see if they're getting it right.

• 42:51Speaker 02

  In fact, there was this one, I was in the East Village one time, like in my early twenties, drunk as a skunk. And my friend from college, she's like, oh, there's a psychic. Let's go. I was like, absolutely. We go in there. This is what this woman done told me. She told me that I was fat like the wild turkey. And I was like, ma'am, I came here for some shit that I don't know. You know, I didn't, I have a mirror and I don't need you to tell me.

• 43:16Corinne Vien?

  Also, like, what part does that, like, what does that serve?

• 43:19Speaker 02

  What is that? And I was like, and yes, I am. And then she told me that I, she was like, when you make your pasta, don't put too much butter in it.

• 43:26Corinne Vien?

  And I was like, well, fuck you, man.

• 43:27Speaker 02

  Okay, girl.

• 43:29Corinne Vien?

  Jesus.

• 43:29Speaker 02

  And I paid for this. I paid for this advice, right? I have had psychics tell me the most ridiculous things, but I do have a kind of a cool one. One time I walked into a psychic and she just looked at me and said, tell me about Korea. It was the first thing she said to me. And I, she had no way of knowing that I lived in Korea for five years.

• 43:46Corinne Vien?

  That's crazy specific.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then the rest of the reading wasn't that good, but then I had another one with my mom, actually. And the, we did it for the, the show. I actually don't remember if it ever aired. This would have been season two, I think. So I don't know if it aired or not, but we did shoot it. But she was giving my mom a reading, but she was describing me. She was saying, you, you have a future in public speaking. You're writing a book. You're, you know, and I was like, okay, well, she's literally just describing me. So when she was done, she was like, does any of that resonate? And we said, well, no, it actually sounded like it was me. And she said, well, sometimes that happens. You know, the energy gets like confused right next to each other. So then we wrapped and, and the crew's leaving and everything. My mom and I are in the car. And all of a sudden she comes out to the car and she goes, who's Peggy? And I was like, don't nobody know nobody named Peggy?

• 44:32Speaker 02

  But then my mom was like, well, that's my mom. And I was like, mom, your mom's name was my grandmother? But apparently Peggy is, I had no idea. I had, I didn't know my grandmother. She died when I was like two or three. Had no idea anyone ever called her Peggy. Had no clue. So she said, oh, that's my mom. And she said, well, I, your mom wants you to know that she is here. She didn't want to come out with the camera. She is here and she's very proud of you. My mom immediately started crying.

• 44:56Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that's so special.

• 44:58Speaker 02

  And then she goes, and what's the connection with the Cherokee Indians? Again, I'm like, No idea.

• 45:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  Well, Cherokees are in North Carolina, right? So, um, turns out that when my mom was young, that she used to go up to Cherokee, to the reservation and see this play that they would put on every summer. And it was a native woman who came up to my grandmother while my mom was a young child and said, what's her name? And, and my grandmother said her name is Barbara. And the Cherokee woman said, you have to call her Babs. So, so a Cherokee woman literally named my mom.

• 45:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You have to call her Babs.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  And the psychic knew that. And I was like, that's, that's kind of wild. Yeah.

• 45:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  See, it's, it's instances like that where if you find someone like that, a psychic like that, hold on to them.

• 45:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Never let them go.

• 45:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, do you remember their name? We need. No, and I never went back. Isn't that crazy? I know, I never went back. But it was, and it was funny because really during the reading, you know, the one that we were filming, I was thoroughly unimpressed. I was like, okay. Plus, I was like, you probably Googled me. And you're like, oh, you know? So you're just like, blah, blah, blah. Like, oh, you're in the performing arts. Like, okay, yeah.

• 46:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's hard when you're like in the public space. And like, even when people will send us DMs, be like, oh, I got this reading for you. And it's like, well, you could have Googled that. Or did we talk about that on the podcast?

• 46:14Speaker 02

  But that's, those are details we didn't know. No, even I had no clue, right?

• 46:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 46:18Speaker 02

  And it's crazy that you say that because I actually, I find this very offensive. So I, since my mother died, um, you know, she was, really, my entire career has just been, been a vehicle to like, give my mother to the public. Like, she was the star of everything. She's amazing. And so people love her. Like, she's mothered people all over the world. Like, oh, don't want to cry, but she's, she's wonderful. So people, in fact, I just got one the other day, will always write to me on Instagram or wherever and be like, oh, I got this message from your mom and da, da, da. And I'm like, no, you fucking didn't. Like, but, but to be honest, no, you didn't. And how insulting to me. And I just think, have some emotional intelligence. Like, you are a stranger who watched my mother on TV. You didn't actually know her.

• 46:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  At all.

• 46:59Speaker 02

  And you're telling me that she had a chance to come communicate back to the earthly plane with someone, and she chose you.

• 47:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Of all people.

• 47:06Speaker 02

  She didn't come to me. She didn't come to my dad. She didn't come to my brother. She came to you.

• 47:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  Like, get a grip on life, you know?

• 47:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 47:12Speaker 02

  Um, that I actually find very offensive and I would absolutely rather not hear that stuff ever.

• 47:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel that same way with like, you know, they talk about psychics calling in when like kids go missing.

• 47:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like taking advantage, but I also believe there. Yes, and but then I also believe there are people who really believe that they're being contacted by that spirit. But again, it goes back to like, how much of this is psychological in our own head that we're manifesting and creating? Because we want it to be real.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  It's really fascinating and I'm one of those people, even though those are literally the only two psychic experiences that I've had that I felt like I believed in. I've had other readings that I'm like, oh yeah, that was actually kind of accurate, but still nothing that blew me away. But even though I'm that much of a skeptic, I will still take every opportunity to go to a psychic like.

• 48:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, you never know when one is gonna hit, right?

• 48:04Speaker 02

  I'm like, I'll still go like, I want to believe always, but I actually think I'm pretty skeptical when you get down to it.

• 48:10Corinne Vien?

  You know what's really interesting is I'm thinking about our listener, Litha, who Litha, she like moderates some of our, our stuff on Two Girls One Ghost. And she's just like this incredible like witch, basically. She's like unlocked all of these powers. And in the Discord, a year ago, we were witness to her suddenly getting all these messages for another listener. Moderator Eric and like all these things and Eric was giving nothing. He was like, yep, and and go on. And Litha kept like pulling things out.

• 48:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wasn't it his like great aunt?

• 48:40Corinne Vien?

  Wait, you gotta be on Patreon to get this? Cause I'm not on Patreon. I hate to tell y'all, but I did not pay to find out.

• 48:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No Discord.

• 48:47Corinne Vien?

  No, anyone can join that.

• 48:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's like one Patreon only Discord, but like the rest of it's free.

• 48:51Corinne Vien?

  But Litha, it's just reminding me like she, when I first moved into this house, I hadn't posted any pictures of it. I still very rarely post any pictures, but like it was very fresh, very new. And Litha was like, I don't know if this means anything, Corinne, but I'm having these weird visions. And she started describing my sunroom, exactly what it looked like, the pond in the back, like the, the forest, the amount of trees. Like it was like weirdly specific. And she was like, does this mean anything to you? And I was like, that's literally my house. And then she was like, and then I'm getting, and she was describing all these weird things. It was, she was describing a basket, like a gift basket that we'd made for a neighbor who just had a baby. And she was describing everything in the basket. And I was like, that's on my counter.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  Wow, I want to meet Litha.

• 49:32Corinne Vien?

  That's amazing.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  That would blow, that kind of stuff would blow me away.

• 49:35Corinne Vien?

  But like, that's a thing where like, she was developing these things. And so she didn't even trust herself

• 49:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 49:41Corinne Vien?

  in her reading.

• 49:42Speaker 02

  That's incredible. I love that.

• 49:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's like, one time I tried to astral project to Corinne. And like, this was when I was on the West Coast. So Corinne was three hours ahead and I knew that she was like asleep. And so I was like trying to, I think I was getting a massage. So I was like, I'm in this meditative state.

• 49:58Corinne Vien?

  I like that you're thinking of me while you're like getting a massage.

• 50:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I was like, where else am I going to astral project? Who else is going to believe that I'm showing up?

• 50:06Corinne Vien?

  Right. Yeah, if I see you, I'm going to be like, I'm going to call you immediately. Like, oh my God, did you just visit me?

• 50:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly. But then I was like, visualizing myself, leaving my body and all of this stuff. But then I was like, I've been to Corinne's place. So now am I just like visualizing what I've already seen? And I don't think, I don't think I actually showed up to your house. But I would love to.

• 50:25Corinne Vien?

  I would love for you to as well. But I do want to talk about something on this. Sorry. Yeah. Yes, and I'm pivoting.

• 50:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And something else. Yes.

• 50:32Corinne Vien?

  Yes, and back to me.

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• 51:36Corinne Vien?

  I want to talk about this because it was something that happened in our Henry Derby investigation that we haven't talked about on the podcast, but we've alluded to on our Patreon, like on Camp Fire Stories, that we had a massive discovery as to who was haunting this podcast office.

• 51:51Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 51:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 51:53Corinne Vien?

  Remember? Okay, so there's been a lot of weird hauntings that have happened here. And one time, when we first moved in, before the wallpaper and paint and everything was up, I was standing right here. There was almost nothing in this office. I was standing where Harry is, and dirt materialized and fell on to me.

• 52:08Speaker 02

  Yes, I heard that.

• 52:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Out of nowhere.

• 52:10Corinne Vien?

  Out of nowhere. And I was like, that's poltergeist activity. There must be a demon here.

• 52:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Jumped to demon.

• 52:17Corinne Vien?

  There must be a demon. Like, nothing else really scary happened. We understood who exactly did that when we were at the Henry Derby house, because it was when we were doing our investigation and we were upstairs in one of the rooms. And I can't remember how it happened. How were we led back down?

• 52:30Speaker 02

  I remember.

• 52:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The bowl.

• 52:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, because one of the, like, boxes, although I remember, what did we have? There was like a clown car and like a Barbie doll.

• 52:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Those were upstairs, I think.

• 52:41Speaker 02

  We were using.

• 52:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But we were using.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  Something. But it told us to go to the kitchen, remember? It said kitchen. And so we went down and then somehow we got attached to the bowl that was in that attached room.

• 52:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So we sat in there.

• 52:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, so we sat in there with the bowl. And then we still had the, was that Ghost Tube or was that her? What do you call those?

• 53:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I had Ghost Tube on. And then she had a RemPod?

• 53:03Speaker 02

  A RemPod, yeah, yeah. And then weren't you using dowsing rods?

• 53:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 53:06Speaker 02

  Or was I at that point?

• 53:07Corinne Vien?

  You were using my rods.

• 53:08Speaker 02

  I was using your rods.

• 53:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm still waiting for the moment where you point at Whitney and say, pregnant.

• 53:16Speaker 02

  Me too. Have you not felt it?

• 53:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I can't wait for you to come, Corinne.

• 53:19Speaker 02

  It's coming.

• 53:20Corinne Vien?

  Corinne, come.

• 53:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Come on, man.

• 53:23Corinne Vien?

  On demand.

• 53:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Come on, Corinne.

• 53:27Corinne Vien?

  Okay, no, but we were in that room and I feel like we all had big revelations in that room.

• 53:30Speaker 02

  Well, you're not gonna explain it for the listeners. I mean, my god.

• 53:33Corinne Vien?

  No, no, I am.

• 53:34Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 53:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a big buildup.

• 53:36Speaker 02

  Wait, hear it again.

• 53:37Corinne Vien?

  It builds up before you come.

• 53:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Before you come, yeah.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  This is more foreplay than I'm used to.

• 53:43Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my god. But when we were using all these communicative tools, we were asking questions like, who are you? Are you here to talk to someone in this room? And it said, yes. And we went through everyone and then it said yes to me. And then we said, are you a relative of mine? No. Do I know you? No. And then someone, maybe it was like one of the investigators that was with us, thought to ask the question, is this someone from a previous investigation, somewhere that Corinne has previously been? They said, yes. Went through every single place. The very last place we offered up was the Conjuring House and immediately went, yes. And then that's when I was like, are you Bob? And it said, no. And then it's like, are you Peter? And Peter was the ghost at the Conjuring House that I was vibing with. Me and Peter, possible flirtation.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 54:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So the story is, we were sitting in the Conjuring House with Greg and Dana and we were just like chatting with the spirit box and trying to get to know the ghosts of the house. And Peter kept coming through.

• 54:34Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And he was joking about, so there's-

• 54:36Speaker 02

  Came through where exactly?

• 54:38Corinne Vien?

  Not through me. I was not touched. I wasn't, nothing like that. But at the Conjuring House, there is supposedly, there's a theory that there are some buried bodies on the property and that is what is contributing to some of the hauntings. They've used the like LiDAR scan and found actually some coffin-sized graves and there's, they put out like little markers on the property.

• 54:59Speaker 02

  I hate that.

• 55:00Corinne Vien?

  So Peter came through and said that he and Bob are in the dirt, that they're worm food. And he kept cracking jokes about being dead and buried underneath the dirt. And then when we were at the Henry Derby House, I was like, oh, my god, dirt. And then I was like, was that you? And he immediately went, yes. And then I was like, are you just visiting right now? Do you just come like time and time? No. Are you always with me?

• 55:21Speaker 02

  Yes. Don't tell Brian, he might get jealous.

• 55:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, the amount of times that Corinne talks about like running off with Bigfoot, I think Brian's good.

• 55:28Corinne Vien?

  Here's the thing, Brian's never listened to an episode of this podcast. Does he really not? He doesn't watch scary movies. There's so many, so many shows that like we'll start watching and be like- Can't watch this. I'm like, this isn't even slated as a thriller.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  Oh, that's funny.

• 55:40Corinne Vien?

  So sweet.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:40Corinne Vien?

  That's rich. God bless it.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  He's too sweet. We watch like Modern Family and things like that together.

• 55:44Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 55:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But yeah, so we may have had a revelation that Peter from the Conjuring House has followed Corinne.

• 55:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 55:50Speaker 02

  That's really, really interesting.

• 55:51Corinne Vien?

  Me and my friend Peter discovered a Henry Derby.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  You know, I kind of love that. Like, I guess, I don't know if we all have spirit guides or whatever. Now, I did get my aura photography done here in Salem.

• 56:00Corinne Vien?

  Yes, that's right.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  And I, it did show that I had some spirit guides and I would love to know who they are, what they are, or whatever. So like, is Peter just an entity that's attached? Or is he attached? Like, what's the reason for his attachment? Like, is he guiding you?

• 56:16Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, he can guide, like-

• 56:17Speaker 02

  Is he just bored?

• 56:18Corinne Vien?

  Come along at any time, right?

• 56:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what I want to know.

• 56:21Corinne Vien?

  Are we born with them or do they become?

• 56:22Speaker 02

  Cause he's obviously benign. He's not like a demon, so-

• 56:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, no, he's just hanging out.

• 56:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, what's his purpose, though?

• 56:27Corinne Vien?

  I don't know.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  Like, what does he, what does he want from you? Because everybody wants something from someone in this world, you know what I mean?

• 56:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I think that's a very cynical, um, view that you have as you continuously breastfeed everyone from your own teat.

• 56:39Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 56:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think you need to have a dream where you breastfeed yourself.

• 56:43Speaker 02

  Or I'm being breastfed.

• 56:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  Or you breastfeed yourself.

• 56:46Corinne Vien?

  Throw it up.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  Just clouds of breasts.

• 56:48Corinne Vien?

  Slurps.

• 56:50Speaker 02

  It's raining.

• 56:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Lock it down.

• 56:51Corinne Vien?

  As I've got things hanging off my teats, I'm like, everybody wants something from you in this world, ladies.

• 56:59Speaker 02

  Oh, y'all just read me so hard.

• 57:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, man.

• 57:02Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 57:02Corinne Vien?

  Okay, but you also, Henchy came through for you.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  Okay, that was the coolest thing for me.

• 57:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 57:06Speaker 02

  I will say, out of the entire evening, that was my moment, where I was like, ooh. Honestly, even the things that Leanne said about my mom, nice, love to believe it, didn't even particularly resonate with me. Cause I feel like when my mom decides to come through, like, there will be no doubt for me.

• 57:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 57:24Speaker 02

  So I don't think I've ever communicated with my mother since she's been dead. But before she died, I did ask her, I said to her, and I have it on a video. I used to set up my camera when we would go to bed at night and I would just record our conversations.

• 57:35Corinne Vien?

  That's so sweet.

• 57:36Speaker 02

  I said, are you ever leaving me or we're always gonna be together? She said, I'll try. I said, you gonna be with me forever? She said, I'll try.

• 57:43Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I said, are we gonna be together in all, on all our lifetimes after this? And she said, I hope so. And it just like-

• 57:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so sweet.

• 57:52Speaker 02

  So I know if my mom is gonna come through, there's not gonna be any doubt. So I'm, I'm still waiting for my moment, but um, you know, my cat, my familiar of seventeen. See, I am a witch now.

• 58:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You for sure.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  So y'all inspired me. I mean, y'all like, oh, we're baby witches, whatever. I was like, you know what? Who's to tell me I'm not a baby witch? Who's gonna tell me I'm not?

• 58:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're a grown ass witch. Like, I feel like you're way witchier than us.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  Who's gonna tell me I have a grimoire? Okay, I went out, I got all the crystals I need. I got a crystal.

• 58:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You have a penis crystal on your altar.

• 58:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I have an altar.

• 58:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 58:23Speaker 02

  Look, I really, and I consult my rods all the time. I know what candles to burn to do certain spells. Uh, I just had a birthday where I did like a birthday ritual in the bath. I've done a ritual with Jessica, um, who you guys met at the Henry Derby House. We did kind of just like a self-love ritual during the pink moon.

• 58:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mmm, that's special.

• 58:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I got a really great book. I was gonna get you guys a copy. I'm sure it's stuff you mostly already know, but I think it is such a good, like, foundational, like, baby witch book.

• 58:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What is it?

• 58:53Speaker 02

  Um, it's, I can't tell you, cause I don't know, but it's a nice little pretty green book. And it is just like, very straight to the point, tells you, it talks about the different kind of witches you can be, like, green witch, an elemental. I'm an elemental witch.

• 59:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We like to say we're like eclectic or chaos witches.

• 59:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. See, I, I feel like I'm either eclectic witch, cause I wanna pick from different things. But I feel like I'm really drawn to, like, all of my rituals so far and spells have either included water or fi- I even have a cauldron. Like, I literally bought a cauldron.

• 59:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I actually bought one too.

• 59:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's for real.

• 59:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my god.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  And you know what I love about it? This is the thing. And because I'm a skeptic, I feel like, cause I already know when this hits the television, right? Middle America's gonna be like, this sub-satanic bullshit. But the thing is, I don't know if any of this, like, I don't know if it works, I don't know what it means, whatever. But what's amazing is that it has helped me start to live intentionally. Like, it's just helped me think about, like, goals and things that I want. And it's helped me feel like it's given me some semblance of intention and control over my life. And I'm like, if that's all it does, then so be it. That's really helpful.

• 1:00:05Corinne Vien?

  But also, I want to remind you that you have so many experiences that you can fall back on where you do have your intuition. You do have premonitions. You do have all of these things that sounds like it came down from your mom's ancestral line. So I mean, I, I do believe in Sabrina too. Like, we both believe anyone can be a witch. It's all about intention and energy and the things you're hoping to get out of just like the world around you.

• 1:00:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it doesn't even have to be the term witch. Like, you could be spiritual. You could like manifest. Like even like manifestation that people do, I think, is a form of witchiness.

• 1:00:39Corinne Vien?

  But you too, Sabrina, the other day, I was like, I'm realizing I'm actually way more religious than I thought. Because I never thought I was religious. I was always like, oh, I'm spiritual. And then I was realizing how many times I like speak to the universe or I speak to who was out there or like the wind. And I'm like, what difference is that between like doing that and like a prayer when people speak to Jesus or whatever?

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Exactly. Like my spells and my little rituals. Like I had somebody look at me askance the other day. And I was like, it's literally like, it's the same thing you're doing when you're just praying.

• 1:01:06Corinne Vien?

  Praying, yeah.

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  The same thing.

• 1:01:07Corinne Vien?

  People write, like have their religious candles and whatever.

• 1:01:10Speaker 02

  Right. And I, I would say, you know, people have been just talking to the universe much longer than they've been talking to Jesus. But that's just my own personal belief. So anyway, I do want to say that I really, you know, something I really appreciate about you two is not only that you're here in real life and I can touch you, let me touch.

• 1:01:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Make everyone jealous. All the people who want to touch my feet.

• 1:01:32Corinne Vien?

  Guys, we're all socked. We can't do this for free.

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, we, no, we don't.

• 1:01:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, no.

• 1:01:36Corinne Vien?

  Five dollars on Patreon and you can see Whitney's toes.

• 1:01:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ten.

• 1:01:38Speaker 02

  Fifteen.

• 1:01:39Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  Fifteen. Don't play me fifteen.

• 1:01:41Corinne Vien?

  I feel like it should be more. Five hundred.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  I know my worth. But I really just like, meeting you guys has been so exciting for me. And I truly have always felt like, oh, my gosh, like I want to be their friend, right? But I know.

• 1:01:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You manifested it.

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  I know, I really did, and it's really real. And I feel like we really like each other.

• 1:01:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We do.

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  I got nervous, I was like, and you really like me. I was like, no, let me not say that. Just in case they don't.

• 1:02:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You start manifesting that now, too, and it might be true.

• 1:02:07Speaker 02

  Might be true. But it's really wonderful. I feel like you guys have given me like friendship and excitement. And I'm definitely just like, kind of, I want to say I'm coming out of a midlife crisis, but I don't really know if I'm on the way out, but I'm in the midst of a midlife crisis, definitely.

• 1:02:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, you did say that this is the happiest you've ever been, right now, in this moment.

• 1:02:23Speaker 02

  And it is.

• 1:02:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It sounds like you're on the up and up.

• 1:02:25Corinne Vien?

  It feels like you had a late Saturn return, almost.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, no, but I had my Saturn return, too, because 10 years ago is when I started television and when I like self-actualized really quickly and kind of found my purpose in life. So I definitely had my Saturn return. But meeting you guys has rejuvenated me. It's made me more in touch with myself. It's made me more curious. It's made me more interested and more able to see the magic in the world. It's given me

• 1:02:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whitney.

• 1:02:53Speaker 02

  some excitement and some hope. And just thinking for the future, thinking like, my future is not written yet, and it can be whatever I want it to be.

• 1:03:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're literally breastfeeding us right now.

• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  I know, and I'm horrible at taking compliments. I am uncomfortably suckling. You know, suckle, suckle, bitch. What, and it's like, you know, what, what does my future hold? Will I, will I move up here? I don't know.

• 1:03:15Corinne Vien?

  I hope you do.

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  Can I, who's gonna tell me I, that's my, who's gonna tell me I can't?

• 1:03:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  Who's gonna tell me I can't, you know?

• 1:03:21Corinne Vien?

  I'm gonna say this one thing. You came up already once. We called you and said, do you want to come up again? You didn't really question it, you just immediately got on a plane.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  Here I am.

• 1:03:30Corinne Vien?

  I feel like you were really vibing with this area, and there's very little getting in the way of you spending time here.

• 1:03:37Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 1:03:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It doesn't have to be permanent.

• 1:03:39Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, my life, honestly, like, I'm going through a lot, I'm going through a lot of changes. My body's changing. Uh, my body is changing, actually. But I am going through a lot of changes, and I just have really been stuck in this rut that like, oh, I'm 40, and this is what my life is. And I'm like, you know, bitch, I got half my life still to do.

• 1:03:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You really do.

• 1:03:56Speaker 02

  I mean, what, why am I feeling so boxed in? Like, I've always, I'm one of the only people, I think, in my, my friend group that has ever left Greensboro. Like, I left, I obviously left for college, left to Korea, and, you know, I travel extensively and stuff like that. And I just really feel like I've been missing that a lot. And I want to get back to it.

• 1:04:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, you always have a place to stay at either of ours.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If you don't end up getting a condo, but you.

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  Stop. Sabrina's already decided I'm getting a condo. Look, I made, I made one comment that I looked at something on the internet and now I'm getting a condo.

• 1:04:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we latch on to it.

• 1:04:31Corinne Vien?

  Can I also tell you a historical fact?

• 1:04:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Please.

• 1:04:33Corinne Vien?

  That can contribute to, I feel like this is maybe where you might be in your own headspace, but back in the 1800s, like late 1800s, a lot of women would be, this is, this is going to sound bad in the beginning because it's like, you know, when people would experience these sort of like crises or like trying to understand like their place in the world.

• 1:04:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And they would be sent to like a psychiatric ward.

• 1:04:54Corinne Vien?

  They're sent to a psychiatric facility.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:04:56Corinne Vien?

  But these women were sent to this place in Marblehead, Massachusetts, which is where Sabrina is now residing.

• 1:05:03Speaker 02

  To like find themselves and like come back to life?

• 1:05:05Corinne Vien?

  And they would walk on the beach in the fresh sea air and they would create pottery. And there's all of this like Marblehead pottery that people still find washed to shore.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  And that's from the crazy women?

• 1:05:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:16Speaker 02

  I'm obsessed.

• 1:05:17Corinne Vien?

  But it's like the most healing place ever to just be here and just like absorb the energy, absorb the sea. And it's something that people have been doing here for hundreds of years.

• 1:05:27Speaker 02

  There's some, there is something about it because I, you know, actually have never felt super connected to the South. I mean, I, I technically am a Southern woman, I guess, but everything that's like very Southern, like having that kind of like part of your identity. I've never identified with that. I mean, I drink sweet tea and I say, y'all, you know what I mean?

• 1:05:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And hate.

• 1:05:45Corinne Vien?

  And hate.

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  And hate, and hate. But when it really comes to like just this Southern pride thing, and I, I'm just like, I just have not really, just not really ever connected to that. Now, I love my Appalachian Mountains and I love, you know, where I was born and I, my mother is a Southern belle.

• 1:06:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They run up through here.

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  And they do, I know.

• 1:06:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're less spooky up here, but yeah.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  They're, they're, I think they're best in North Carolina.

• 1:06:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They are, they are.

• 1:06:07Corinne Vien?

  We agree with that.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, but at least you don't say Appalachia, woo.

• 1:06:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I used to.

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  I know, I know you used to, but, but you've corrected yourself.

• 1:06:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We've been shamed enough to completely change our lives.

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  Don't let me talk to Ash and Elena because I will.

• 1:06:21Speaker 02

  Because I will.

• 1:06:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We can call them up.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  It's true. I mean, I know that they would say, well, people say, people do say things differently. That's true, but some things are just right and wrong, and Appalachia is wrong. And I'll say it, I'll say it to their face.

• 1:06:33Corinne Vien?

  Here's the thing, I'll say Appalachia now, but just know that internally, I, I am saying, oh, I'm saying it wrong. But for everyone else.

• 1:06:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, same.

• 1:06:43Speaker 02

  Well, I, oh my God, we didn't even talk about Henchy.

• 1:06:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, no.

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  My familiar.

• 1:06:47Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that's what, I feel like we could all just like talk in circles constantly for hours and hours.

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  Well, it's because I called Henchy my familiar, and then I had to talk about how I was, how I was a witch, and 15 minutes later.

• 1:06:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then how much you loved us.

• 1:06:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, sorry. I had to, I had to.

• 1:06:58Corinne Vien?

  Back to you.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  Switch the cheats away.

• 1:07:00Corinne Vien?

  Go back to Henchy.

• 1:07:01Speaker 02

  Um, back to Henchy, no, that was the most impactful thing for me. So like I said, I'm still waiting to hear from my dead mother, but my dead cat definitely came through.

• 1:07:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Multiple times.

• 1:07:10Speaker 02

  Multiple times.

• 1:07:11Corinne Vien?

  The seance and at the paranormal investigation portion.

• 1:07:13Speaker 02

  So, my favorite thing was when he came in on the ghost tube, and what to me, it's like he only came in and said that when I was asking about it, like, I didn't say cat.

• 1:07:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  I never said anything about cat, or like, animal, or anything.

• 1:07:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:25Speaker 02

  And all of a sudden, I loved the first time, cat, and then the second time, I feel like he kind of interjected, like, cat.

• 1:07:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, hey, pay attention.

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  Cat.

• 1:07:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's wild because.

• 1:07:33Corinne Vien?

  It was only in that one room.

• 1:07:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We have also been to the Henry Derby House. We've done a paranormal investigation there prior to this trip with you, and.

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  There was no cat.

• 1:07:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No cat, there were, like, none of the things that we experienced with Leanne in our investigation, did we experience when we were there with Kalen prior.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  It's really interesting to me, hearing from Henchy made me feel so good, and I've got this other cat lined up. I was supposed to have him already. His name's Machete.

• 1:07:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  And he's just the sweetest little thing. He's so cute.

• 1:08:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is he one of the orange, orange cats?

• 1:08:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's an orange person, and he's so cute about it, but.

• 1:08:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He's so cute about being him.

• 1:08:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, but, um, he has been a little bit late on his vaccines, so I'm not able to get him yet. I already know we're going to be backed up on the schedule, but, um, he, I believe, didn't we ask if like Machete could be Henchy reincarnated? I feel like.

• 1:08:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:21Speaker 02

  I want to say that the answer was, well, hold on, because Leanne said something, oh, that Henchy was with my mom, which I can believe.

• 1:08:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, that I do believe, yeah.

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  Then, there was something, I want to say that either Henchy approved. Maybe it was that I got

• 1:08:35Corinne Vien?

  I definitely remember the approval.

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  I got an approval for Machete.

• 1:08:38Corinne Vien?

  I think we were told no, that it was a reincarnation, but that it was an approved. Like it was, it was him like bringing him to you.

• 1:08:45Speaker 02

  And I needed that because I have two cats that were mistakes. And I'll say it right now, and I'll say it to their face. They are, I mean, I don't want them to die, okay? I don't want them to

• 1:08:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He just didn't have the same connection.

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  I don't want them to run into traffic, but they are very insecurely attached. The bond is not secure with them, okay?

• 1:09:02Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  So really, I do nothing but feed them, take care of them, you know, give them medical care. And they really give me absolutely nothing. One of them lives upstairs in the attic with my roommate Todd and like literally doesn't even look at me. So I thought to myself, if I get another cat, which I've got this Machete lined up, and if he's not right, like if he doesn't love, like what am I gonna do? Cause you never know with a cat.

• 1:09:23Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  You just don't know until you know. And if you knew him, you know, but you don't know until you know.

• 1:09:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:27Speaker 02

  So I was very nervous. So to get Henji's approval on Machete, hmm, made me feel good.

• 1:09:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I can't wait to meet Machete.

• 1:09:34Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:09:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So cute.

• 1:09:35Speaker 02

  Well, Corinne can't, look at Corinne's like

• 1:09:37Corinne Vien?

  Face time in.

• 1:09:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  You know, that's my only, this really speaks to how much I like you, Corinne.

• 1:09:43Corinne Vien?

  It's not like I don't like cats. I'm literally allergic.

• 1:09:45Speaker 02

  But you can't, I know.

• 1:09:46Corinne Vien?

  My breathing stops. They kill me.

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  It's anaphylaxis. I understand that.

• 1:09:50Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 1:09:51Speaker 02

  But I'm just saying the fact that I would even fool with you. Because why would I have a friend who can't, who can't be with me and a cat? Why would I have a friend who might go into anaphylaxis if she touches my sweater? Why would I, why would I even put myself through it only for Corinne? You're known for your allergies, aren't you?

• 1:10:05Corinne Vien?

  Some things, you know what?

• 1:10:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Allergic to everything.

• 1:10:07Corinne Vien?

  Weed.

• 1:10:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Avocado, weed, marijuana.

• 1:10:10Speaker 02

  Are you the biggest nerd? You're allergic to marijuana?

• 1:10:13Corinne Vien?

  You know in middle school where they come in and they're like, people die when they smoke weed? And you're like, ah, okay, whatever, trying to scare me? No, I'm literally allergic to the marijuana plant.

• 1:10:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I will say, one of the scariest encounters I have with Corinne was when we took edibles. And

• 1:10:28Speaker 02

  Why did you do that?

• 1:10:29Corinne Vien?

  Well, I tried smoking weed like 10 times before realizing I was definitely very allergic. And one of, one of them wasn't smoking, it was taking an edible.

• 1:10:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I could not get you off the floor.

• 1:10:39Corinne Vien?

  I fainted.

• 1:10:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:40Corinne Vien?

  And I heard people coming for us. It was very scary.

• 1:10:42Speaker 02

  You had a faint height.

• 1:10:43Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:44Speaker 02

  Truly, a faint

• 1:10:45Corinne Vien?

  Well, and then like years later, after the shame of not being able to even like smoke weed, I like mentioned it at my parents' house and my brother goes, oh yeah, I also can't smoke weed. He's like, if people smoke it around me, my, my throat starts to close up.

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:10:59Corinne Vien?

  So yeah, we're, um, we're lucky that we live in the time that we do because natural selection was coming for us. It tests us every single day.

• 1:11:06Speaker 02

  You know, I, I think about that because I'm legally blind, right? I had 2020 vision, I think until I was about 10 and then all of a sudden it started to go downhill. And I think about that all the time because I sleep in my, I wear my contacts for like eight months, nine months at a time without ever taking them out. And I think to myself, if I were born in a different time, I would have died already. I would have walked off a cliff. I would have literally couldn't see. Like something this simple that is this common in today, you know, today's day and age, it would, I would have been dead immediately.

• 1:11:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, it's like playing the Oregon Trail. Like you're just dysentery, you know, snakes, you're just gone.

• 1:11:37Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:11:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:38Speaker 02

  And you're gone.

• 1:11:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's tough. And then you become a ghost and you haunt people and

• 1:11:41Speaker 02

  At the Henry Gerber house.

• 1:11:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  People have a podcast about you.

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  Exactly. And, and, and it's just a life cycle.

• 1:11:47Corinne Vien?

  Three girls, indeterminate number of ghosts.

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  And it is indeterminate. You know what I love about our little, um, slogan here, indeterminate number of ghosts? It's just so open ended.

• 1:11:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It really is.

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  Do you know what I mean? It like, I feel like we're about to wrap up this episode, but it doesn't have to end forever.

• 1:12:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 1:12:02Speaker 02

  Who knows? It's indeterminate.

• 1:12:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it could be happening at, at all times.

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  In all different timelines.

• 1:12:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. So we're talking to everyone. Someone's already listening to this episode. It's ready.

• 1:12:12Corinne Vien?

  In another timeline, you're pregnant, just like you were going to be pregnant soon.

• 1:12:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She came.

• 1:12:19Corinne Vien?

  I feel it.

• 1:12:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do you feel it?

• 1:12:20Corinne Vien?

  It's happening.

• 1:12:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Did your uterus just contract?

• 1:12:21Speaker 02

  I felt you, I felt something.

• 1:12:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Your ovaries?

• 1:12:25Speaker 02

  No, I did.

• 1:12:26Corinne Vien?

  I kind of feel something too.

• 1:12:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I just have to pee. That's all I feel. I'm like, my bladder is full.

• 1:12:32Corinne Vien?

  It's funny that you're talking so much about like your boobs because I felt electricity from both my boobs, kind of like down to my uterus, like a whoop.

• 1:12:37Speaker 02

  And you just shot it right over here.

• 1:12:38Corinne Vien?

  I did.

• 1:12:42Corinne Vien?

  We'll see what happens.

• 1:12:43Speaker 02

  Wow, what if I'm pregnant right now?

• 1:12:45Corinne Vien?

  With my child, it comes out and it's like. This alien creature.

• 1:12:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Side business of selling her semen on eBay.

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  My god, so this is crazy. The, so like I told you, I have three vials of sperm, right?

• 1:12:56Corinne Vien?

  So you already use one.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  I artificially inseminated myself, it didn't work. Then I went to the doctor and he artificially inseminated me and I actually have to take a pregnancy test like tomorrow. That's the first day I can test.

• 1:13:06Corinne Vien?

  Can we be there? I was gonna say, what about today? But I guess we, yeah, wait, I was like, I guess we could be there tomorrow. Sorry, I'm inserting myself into your fertility journey.

• 1:13:14Speaker 02

  Okay, well, well, to make basically.

• 1:13:16Corinne Vien?

  For your fertility journey.

• 1:13:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You did insert yourself into fertility journey.

• 1:13:20Corinne Vien?

  You can say no. Don't let me be like inserting.

• 1:13:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Should we all just pee on a stick and see?

• 1:13:24Corinne Vien?

  Should we do pregnancy roulette?

• 1:13:26Speaker 02

  Oh my god, can we do pregnancy roulette? I love that.

• 1:13:29Corinne Vien?

  Wait, I always see videos of those and I was like, god, I want to try that.

• 1:13:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So terrified, that's how I'm gonna find out I'm pregnant and I don't want that.

• 1:13:36Speaker 02

  We need three tests. Okay, so tomorrow I have one coffee date with my potential jo- see, this is the thing, if I get offered a job tomorrow, am I moving here? I don't know. My friends are gonna kill me.

• 1:13:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How quickly do you feel comfortable making that decision?

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  I'm a very, I'll say this, I'm impulsive, but I always say like, I'm not impulsive in the way like, I'm not gonna spend money I don't have. And I'm not gonna like do something that's like gonna hurt somebody, but I'm the type where if I even think about cutting my hair, it's done.

• 1:14:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I do that too.

• 1:14:01Speaker 02

  That it is cut that day. Like, I have ADHD, shocker. Um, so I think that part of like impulsivity like that, like brings me a lot of dopamine, right? So I'm like, oh, I'm looking at this, I like that, well, I'm just gonna do it, you know? I just, so I always say I'm really decisive, but I think also I'm just really impulsive.

• 1:14:19Corinne Vien?

  I'm the same way.

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I may get offered a job tomorrow, we're gonna see, fingers crossed.

• 1:14:24Corinne Vien?

  So we'll do pregnancy roulette then tomorrow.

• 1:14:27Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:14:28Corinne Vien?

  Hell yeah.

• 1:14:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fun.

• 1:14:30Corinne Vien?

  Why am I suddenly scared too?

• 1:14:32Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying, someone's gonna be pregnant.

• 1:14:34Corinne Vien?

  Someone.

• 1:14:34Speaker 02

  And who's it gonna be? I'm so excited.

• 1:14:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm too.

• 1:14:39Speaker 02

  This was actually the funnest day. I know we didn't actually really stick to any topic, and I do apologize.

• 1:14:43Speaker 04

  But you've listened to the podcast.

• 1:14:47Speaker 04

  Is this not exactly what we do every time?

• 1:14:49Speaker 02

  It was really amazing, dream come true, obsessed with it.

• 1:14:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thanks for being here.

• 1:14:54Speaker 02

  And, you know.

• 1:14:55Corinne Vien?

  Thank you for coming up and actually.

• 1:14:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:56Speaker 02

  Stop. Don't ask me twice, you want to come film a podcast? I was literally like on the airline website as we were on the phone.

• 1:15:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You asked your dowling rods and they said yes.

• 1:15:07Speaker 02

  I consult those rods. I don't take a shit without consulting those rods, okay?

• 1:15:10Corinne Vien?

  And I'll say, once we go and we potentially look at some places with you, I'm inserting myself into every journey of yours.

• 1:15:16Speaker 02

  Okay, but that place is gorgeous, is it not?

• 1:15:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is.

• 1:15:19Speaker 02

  I just want to go look at it. I actually just kind of want to see the area.

• 1:15:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  But if we go, we ought to look at like two other places.

• 1:15:24Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 1:15:24Speaker 02

  And probably places that are more in my price range than that place.

• 1:15:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Marblehead, where I live and in my house, I have a guest bedroom if you want to come move in.

• 1:15:33Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 1:15:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's also on the water.

• 1:15:35Speaker 02

  And do pottery and reinvent myself.

• 1:15:37Corinne Vien?

  There is a weird healing energy here, right?

• 1:15:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There is.

• 1:15:40Corinne Vien?

  There's something in the air.

• 1:15:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, now that we did the intro together.

• 1:15:44Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, the outro.

• 1:15:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The outro. But thank you so much for being on our show. We love you, Whitney.

• 1:15:50Speaker 02

  I said, "We love you," me and all my familiars, my outros.

• 1:15:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You and your teets.

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  We love you.

• 1:15:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We love you. And where can people find you?

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  Oh, well, my television show is My Big Fat Fabulous Life, so what you're listening to right now will be airing on season 13. So if you've never seen the show. Yeah, if you've never seen the show, you have a little bit of time to catch up, 13 seasons, or 12, I guess. You can find me on Instagram at WhitneyWayThor. And that's pretty much all I do because I'm too old for TikTok.

• 1:16:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love it. Well, thank you. We love you.

• 1:16:20Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:16:20Corinne Vien?

  We love you.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  And we will see you on the other side.

• 1:16:34Speaker 03

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