Pod Insights The Rewatchables ‘GoldenEye’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey About this episode Half of everything is luck, the other half is The Rewatchables. The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey revisit the first James Bond film with Pierce Brosnan in ‘GoldenEye’ also starting Sean Bean, Izabella Scorupco, and Famke Janssen.
Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic
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2:14 Bill Simmons? The Rewatchables is brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find The Big Picture with Sean Fennessy.
2:20 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
2:21 Bill Simmons? You can find The Watch.
2:22 Chris Ryan? The Small Picture.
2:23 Bill Simmons? With Chris Ryan. What are you watching these days, CR?
2:25 Chris Ryan? Uh, Industry. We're watching The Pit. We're watching Night of the Seven Kingdoms.
2:29 Bill Simmons? Industry is just a depraved show.
2:31 Chris Ryan? It really is. It's really sexually volatile.
2:34 Bill Simmons? One of the most volatile shows that's ever been created.
2:36 Sean Fennessey? I gotta say Night of the Seven Kingdoms, A+.
2:38 Chris Ryan? Yeah, man.
2:39 Sean Fennessey? I'm having a great time. I haven't enjoyed a TV show like that in 10 years.
2:44 Chris Ryan? Home run episode last night, if this is going up on Monday.
2:48 Bill Simmons? You know what else is going up on Monday? It's a Golden Eye! Golden Eye is next.
3:10 Bill Simmons? Golden Eye, 99.5 James Bond, Pierce Brosnan. Best Bond movies by era, here's my list. Goldfinger, Spy Who Loved Me, Golden Eye, Casino Royale, Fight Me.
3:23 Chris Ryan? So this is for the actors?
3:25 Bill Simmons? Just those I think are the four generationally the best. That's like the Dr. J, Michael Jordan, Kobe.
3:31 Chris Ryan? Are you a Majesty's Secret Service person?
3:32 Sean Fennessey? I don't think I agree with any of those.
3:34 Bill Simmons? Yeah, that's why I said Fight Me.
3:36 Sean Fennessey? That's interesting. Well-
3:38 Bill Simmons? Yeah, cuz you like Skyfall.
3:39 Sean Fennessey? Skyfall would be my favorite Craig Bond. I think From Russia With Love is my favorite Connery Bond.
3:45 Chris Ryan? That's probably the best Connery. I like You Only Live Twice for the gadgets. Uh, that's the Japan one.
3:50 Sean Fennessey? Right. That one's fun. I have a soft spot for Moonraker.
3:53 Bill Simmons? So, Moonraker, critically reviled, but I loved it too cuz I saw it when I was 10 and I just thought Jaws was the scariest person. And plus, it was like a Star Wars kinda parody, almost.
4:02 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, it's like a Star Wars ripoff and it's really silly, but it's very fun.
4:06 Chris Ryan? I thought Moonraker was gonna be the end of Bond. I mean, obviously, I didn't, like, when I was watching them, I was just like, this has to be where it ends, in space.
4:13 Bill Simmons? So what's your favorite?
4:14 Chris Ryan? Um-
4:16 Chris Ryan? Skyfall is my favorite James Bond movie.
4:19 Sean Fennessey? Casino Royale is darn good and it's interesting that you've got two Martin Campbell movies on your list.
4:23 Bill Simmons? I know, I know. I didn't fully realize that that was the case.
4:28 Chris Ryan? I'm doing it by silliness to seriousness and to me GoldenEye is right where I want it to be. It's not too goofy in camp, but it is not as like trauma bond as some of the late period Craig stuff. And that's why I think it's like one of the more rewatchable and one of the more like entertaining Bonds.
4:46 Bill Simmons? What's your relationship with the Bond series?
4:48 Sean Fennessey? Was not a Bond guy for years and years. Wasn't raised with it. I think we talked about it a little bit when we talked about Casino Royale. I'm not an angle file. I never read the books and I think I real, this is the first Bond movie I ever saw. But I don't know that I like raced out to see the other Brosnan Bonds and it was the Craig movies that really got me into it and then digging back in and exploring. And over the years I've gotten more interested in it, especially doing a lot of conversations about Bond as the Craig era ended. But I think I've really come to appreciate its charms in the last three or four years. It's been helpful, you know, to be talking about it regularly and to learn more. It's great movie history. There's so much interesting stuff that has, you know, happened across 60 years of the franchise that I find fun.
5:29 Sean Fennessey? But I'm not, I'm not like a Bondologist. I don't know everything about it. So it's actually, I'm a little bit on the outside of it.
5:36 Bill Simmons? That's how, that's where I am as well. Cause even growing up, but Roger Moore was probably my peak Bond because we saw those movies in the theater. But they were just, those movies and westerns just seemed like they were on all the time.
5:49 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
5:49 Bill Simmons? And that's how I kind of, my experience with them was just jumping into them as a kid during different parts.
5:53 Chris Ryan? The TBS Bond marathon was a staple of my childhood.
5:56 Bill Simmons? But even before that, when it was like the local, what was your local Philly channel that showed movies?
6:00 Chris Ryan? Oh, channel like, I mean 17 did, like, yeah.
6:02 Bill Simmons? We had like Channel 56 and it was just they would have Bond movies on.
6:06 Chris Ryan? Yeah. I mean, I remember, I think one of the reasons why sometimes I can't quite identify specific Bond movies is because my memory of them is being on for nine hours during a day in the summer and coming in and being like, oh, like he's having sex with twins. Oh, like he jumped out of a hot air balloon, like.
6:23 Sean Fennessey? And that normalized that behavior for you going forward.
6:26 Chris Ryan? I guess this is what espionage is, but yeah, like I, I really enjoy these movies. I think that they are, I like appreciate them exactly the right amount. One time I think whether it was. Can't remember when we talked about this, but I was like, starting to get into like, some of the theories around Bond and like, people trying to basically create a text for the entire characters in the films. And I was like, it doesn't really support this. You don't really have to think that hard about it. Like, I think it helps to just have like, a one and done for each movie relationship and not worry about whether or not this is actually, the character's been played by many men who have to become James Bond when they get this job and whatever.
7:07 Bill Simmons? Yeah, but there was a big Connery shadow over this franchise.
7:10 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
7:11 Bill Simmons? The entire time I grew up.
7:12 Chris Ryan? Mm-hmm.
7:13 Bill Simmons? And it was almost like how people talk about the NBA now, where it's like, it was better in the Jordan era, or like, the Barclay guys on inside. It was always like-
7:20 Chris Ryan? Before Bond was tanking?
7:21 Bill Simmons? Yeah, it was like, ah, yeah, great. But it was like, oh yeah, I mean, whatever. It peaked with Connery. I'll never, but Connery is the best Bond ever. And then I remember when he came back as kind of older James Bond, that was a big deal. Roger Moore, it seems like people turned on-
7:35 Chris Ryan? Is that Never Say Never? Which Bond-
7:37 Bill Simmons? It was 1983.
7:38 Chris Ryan? When Connery comes back.
7:39 Sean Fennessey? Well, Connery comes back in 71, after taking On Her Majesty's Secret Service off. And he comes back for-
7:46 Bill Simmons? Lazimby came in on that one. That was tough.
7:48 Sean Fennessey? He comes in for Diamonds or Forever-
7:50 Chris Ryan? Right.
7:50 Sean Fennessey? In 71, and then he comes back 12 years later.
7:52 Bill Simmons? That was the one. And it was a big deal that he was back, but um-
7:56 Sean Fennessey? And he's got, in 71, 83, the rug is going so hard. Like, it's the most obvious rug in movie history.
8:03 Bill Simmons? Well, it's funny, all these movies are on Netflix now. You could go back now and watch an A.D. and it just looks like he has the fairway from the fifteenth hole in his head. It's just-
8:13 Sean Fennessey? It's crazy, the 83 one.
8:16 Bill Simmons? It really is.
8:17 Chris Ryan? And it's just like, 23 chicks just being like, "Hey, how's it going?"
8:21 Bill Simmons? He's so slow. Um, do we think, as this, as this franchise evolved, do we think Mission Impossible and Bourne cut the legs out of this franchise? I think that's a fair thing to say.
8:34 Sean Fennessey? I, I do. I do. Pretty, I think when you look specifically at GoldenEye, and you see the kind of stunt work that is being done in GoldenEye, which is excellent- That's they Mission Impossible grabbed the mantle and kind of ran with it. And Mission Impossible one comes out one year later and Tom Cruise has just spent the last thirty years upping the ante every time and it's a little hard. And I think that's one of the reasons why the Craig movies became so much more about the psychology and the kind of the damaged history of England and the Bond character and the way that they're intertwined because they kind of couldn't go too much further. To your point about like Moonraker felt like the end because they had pushed it so far so many times.
9:13 Chris Ryan? It's interesting too, because I think I mentioned this when we did a Bourne movie on rewatchables, but there is this like, uh, it's since been called like Nokia wave or Nokia wave, which is like a kind of techno friendly thriller from this era that the Mission Impossible and Bourne movies really perfect with, you know, like the hard case laptops and like early surveillance and like hackers and stuff like that. And I think there's some fun stuff with that in this movie, but Bond is is Q and Q is this pen will explode. He's not like, I'm hacking. He's not like, we can do. Yeah, it's gadgets and girls and a couple of chases. Yeah, like the way that Ethan Hunt constantly.
9:53 Sean Fennessey? Cards. I mean, we don't know what it's going to be now because they did do this Craig run and now there's going to be a new Bond, obviously, that Denis Villeneuve is making a film of. We don't know who it is.
10:02 Chris Ryan? I think it's Callum Turner.
10:03 Sean Fennessey? Seems like Callum Turner. Um, but like, what are they going to do to reinvent having, this was the fourth reinvention of Bond with Brosnan, the fifth, the fifth reinvention of Bron, uh, Bond. And number seven is going to be really challenging.
10:17 Chris Ryan? Yeah. What's your relationship with Bond Craig?
10:20 Speaker 06 The video game. Nineteen ninety seven, I think I got an N sixty four, which I think is when the Golden Eye game came out.
10:27 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
10:28 Speaker 06 I knew Pierce Brosnan was Bond and the Mrs. Doubtfire guy.
10:32 Chris Ryan? Yes.
10:32 Speaker 06 And I remember that being kind of weird, but I never saw the actual Brosnan Bond. The first ones I saw were Craig, but the video game was awesome. It had like the coolest music ever, the pause music I remember on Golden Eye double oh seven was like way better than it needed to be.
10:48 Chris Ryan? Great game.
10:49 Sean Fennessey? It's the enduring legacy of the movie, right?
10:51 Chris Ryan? I mean, that's how we ended up doing this for rewatchables. We were talking about the GoldenEye game. This and Perfect Dark, I don't know if it's built on like the same game engine or whatever, but like-
11:00 Sean Fennessey? It's basically like a spiritual sequel.
11:01 Chris Ryan? It's basically a spiritual sequel and this game had-
11:04 Bill Simmons? It came out two years after the movie, by the way.
11:06 Chris Ryan? Yeah, and it had multiplayer. So you could sit there with your friends and get stoned and listen to Wu-Tang Clan, which I did, and play GoldenEye for eight hours.
11:17 Chris Ryan? I'm gonna put a nuclear bomb on your lap. Goodbye. Put on Requiem.
11:23 Chris Ryan? This was the best time of my life, honestly.
11:26 Chris Ryan? Happiest I've ever been.
11:27 Bill Simmons? They just created DVDs. This really was unbelievable. You can just do dumb shit and not be judged.
11:32 Sean Fennessey? It was a really fun time. I remember well. I was a teenager when it came out and I was, we were not an N64 household. We had PlayStation and so-
11:39 Chris Ryan? You had GameCube?
11:40 Sean Fennessey? We had to, uh, I was a Sega Genesis kid and then I was a PlayStation kid. And so we went to my friend Dave Brown's house and did the same thing, even though we were only 15.
11:50 Bill Simmons? I never played this game because I thought it glorified guns. That's not true at all.
11:57 Chris Ryan? Did you ever play this game?
11:58 Bill Simmons? I did. I was, I used to play more sports games though.
12:01 Chris Ryan? Okay.
12:01 Bill Simmons? I was always like Tecmo Bowl and Madden and, and the golf game and hockey. I was always gravitated that way.
12:08 Sean Fennessey? I feel like the reason this game is so important, the number one reason, there are probably a few reasons, is it's the first mainstream non-gamer first-person shooter. Like Doom had existed for years before this, but he played it on a computer. And maybe there had been some console version of it, but I don't think before this. And the Virtual Cop was also-
12:28 Bill Simmons? I researched this. It's, it's credited as being the first good first-person shooter game, but also with the multiplayer thing.
12:36 Sean Fennessey? Right.
12:36 Bill Simmons? It basically like, this is ground zero for all the games that came after.
12:40 Chris Ryan? Yeah, there's also like, I remember it, it kinda did have- At that time, it felt very tactile, the globe trotting excitement of Bond because like you would play, there was like Russia level, there was like a submarine level, there was like you play on the Riviera. Like there was, you know, to the extent that my frontal like
13:01 Bill Simmons? The music was good.
13:02 Chris Ryan? I was like, this is really amazing. Yeah.
13:04 Bill Simmons? So they said it sold over eight million copies and it was the third biggest Nintendo 64 game ever. Eight million copies really means like 30 million because think of how many people probably, guys in their twenties living together, or guys in college who probably pulled money together to buy a copy.
13:19 Chris Ryan? Well, if there's any example, sure, we'll hear about it, of a game based on a movie where the game is bigger than the movie.
13:27 Bill Simmons? Or had like a longer legacy. Yeah. Because even now, I was looking up some of like the best video game ever pieces that people write. It's in all of them.
13:36 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
13:36 Bill Simmons? It's, it's just like an OG, it has to be put in.
13:39 Sean Fennessey? It's like a turning point in, in, in video games. I mean, my video game experience basically ends in 2005, but this is probably the right dead set in the middle because I think I got an NES in like 1990. And it definitely, every single 15 year old guy friend I had wanted to play this game every day. And I can't remember other than Madden in college, having that experience.
14:00 Bill Simmons? Yeah. Um, the other thing with this was they finally got Pierce Brosnan as Bond. And I remember that being like the Iranian hostage crisis for him trying to get him out of Remington Steel.
14:11 Sean Fennessey? It started in 86. They tried to get him before Dalton, right?
14:15 Bill Simmons? Yes. Remington Steel hits in 1982. A show that I watched every once in a while because I had a crush on Stephanie Zembush. It was one of the 190 people I had a crush on back in 1982.
14:26 Sean Fennessey? Can you explain what Remington Steel was?
14:28 Bill Simmons? He, it was like a spy show and they kind of worked together. It was a little on the heart versus heart corner or whatever that show was, but um, he was just so clearly like this guy's going to be the next James Bond. He checked every James Bond box and then when James Bond finally became available in 86 and they, he was going to do it. And then they renewed the show and it was like a, an actual like Hollywood story.
14:51 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
14:52 Bill Simmons? Like this guy wants to do Bond, he served as Remington Steel stunt. But at that time he did shows for five years and you couldn't get out. And that was it. So he had to pass it up. They ended up going to Timothy Dalton.
15:04 Chris Ryan? And ironically, the reason Dalton's not this Bond and a lot of people have commented on GoldenEye feeling more like a Dalton Bond than what would come from Brosnan after. Is because Dalton was waiting for the script and waiting for the script and then when the script finally came, he's like, oh, I'll do this one. They were like, we can't sign you up for just one. So if you want to do it, it's going to be like another five years or another three movies or whatever it was going to be. And he was just like, I can't.
15:29 Bill Simmons? And Brosnan was available at that point.
15:30 Chris Ryan? And Brosnan was available.
15:31 Bill Simmons? Yeah, six year hiatus. They had some legal disputes.
15:35 Sean Fennessey? Well, I mean.
15:36 Bill Simmons? The broccoli family versus MGM and they couldn't like soft shit.
15:38 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, MGM. I mean, that's a huge moment in Hollywood history where MGM is basically defrauded by its acquirer. And then it goes into a holding company from a Swiss bank or French bank.
15:48 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
15:49 Sean Fennessey? And then one of the major movie studios is is in this kind of like limbo ownership period. And of course, James Bond is right at the center of that studio. It's the reason why ultimately Amazon bought MGM in the first place is the ultimate value.
16:00 Chris Ryan? And then bought out the Broccoli's, yeah.
16:01 Bill Simmons? It's an unbelievable time for movies compared to now. I felt like I had so much awareness of this while not because Premier Magazine would be writing about it every month. And it seemed like every company was going bankrupt or trying to or being defrauded or or there or there would be the reverse like Castle Rock coming out of nowhere or Miramax.
16:18 Chris Ryan? I wonder how our relationship to stuff like Warner Brothers, Netflix, Paramount would be if we read one great piece about it a month. Rather than like.
16:28 Bill Simmons? But the everyday.
16:28 Chris Ryan? Maybe words about it every single day.
16:29 Sean Fennessey? Or it was just like there was a book like hit and run.
16:31 Chris Ryan? Yes.
16:32 Sean Fennessey? You know, where it was just like, here's the total story of this era at this studio. But we don't, it doesn't come like that. We have, we have the town with Matt Bell.
16:38 Chris Ryan? But I know exactly what you mean. I felt like I had like a more.
16:41 Bill Simmons? Like a better grasp.
16:42 Chris Ryan? Fun relationship to this stuff because I was like, cool, great article explaining why this actor can't get out of a contract or something.
16:50 Bill Simmons? Well, remember when when Peter Guber and John Peters took over Sony, which became the book, but when they were covering that in real time. It would just be like every three months, there would be another crazy story about like, these guys are fucking just setting money on fire in a garage and blow torching it.
17:05 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
17:05 Bill Simmons? And you'd be like, wow, this is insane.
17:06 Sean Fennessey? Kim Masters was reporting on it, right? She was writing those articles, but then pulled it all together.
17:09 Bill Simmons? But there would be Vanity Fair or Premier, but it was sometimes New York Magazine, but it would really be once in a while.
17:14 Chris Ryan? Otherwise it was the trades, right? But people weren't reading the trades online then.
17:17 Bill Simmons? And then you had like even like the small, like we talked on rewatchable before about Carolco. Which was doing all like the Stallone and Schwarzenegger and Van Damme and then all of a sudden they went down.
17:27 Sean Fennessey? I've never been more excited for a movie than James Cameron's Spider-Man funded by Carolco. And it never happened. But I remember reading about that and being like, just put that inside me when I was 13 years old.
17:38 Chris Ryan? They've done a great job of the course of the years with Bond where it's like. Even as maybe the interest in the franchise wanes, which it seems to every four movies or whatever, they're just really good at creating a trade deadline of like,
17:52 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
17:52 Chris Ryan? Who are we gonna pick up to play Bond? And it turns into something that's bigger than the movies themselves.
17:57 Bill Simmons? Which was why, what did the, what did they go for? What'd the franchise go for? Amazon bought it, right?
18:02 Sean Fennessey? Well, I don't know what the final number was for the buyout. I mean, you know, billions of dollars.
18:06 Chris Ryan? Well, then they had to buy out Brock, the Broccolis, right?
18:08 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
18:09 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
18:09 Chris Ryan? Cause it was like-
18:10 Sean Fennessey? They paid eight billion dollars, as I recall, for MGM total, but MGM doesn't own James Bond, obviously.
18:15 Bill Simmons? So they did a separate deal for that?
18:16 Sean Fennessey? They did a separate deal a year ago for that. Part of that apparently was just because the Broccolis were just sick of dealing with Amazon and didn't like Amazon, but-
18:23 Chris Ryan? And Amazon wants to be able to make Miss Money Penny prestige TV show or whatever.
18:27 Bill Simmons? And Bezos was like at the end of the dinner after they'd ordered the fourth bottle of wine and he got the check for, for MGM and Broccoli. He's like, does that say nine point two billion? Did we do this? And now all of a sudden, all the movies are on Netflix.
18:42 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
18:42 Bill Simmons? It's like, hey, can we, can we offload this anywhere?
18:45 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. I mean, that's, that's, that's a complicated aspect of it, but I, they just, they have to get the movie right. They hired Denis Villeneuve. I think he'll get it right. I'm not really worried.
18:53 Bill Simmons? They went over the movie nerds immediately.
18:55 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
18:55 Chris Ryan? Do we know who's writing it?
18:56 Sean Fennessey? I don't know.
18:58 Chris Ryan? Is Villeneuve the most accomplished director to ever handle a Bond movie?
19:01 Sean Fennessey? Depends on how you define that. Like, Michael Apted made one of the Pierce Brosnan movies and he's a, like an acclaimed filmmaker who's got a lot of ups and downs. But Denis is probably the best big tent film.
19:11 Chris Ryan? Yeah, I mean, it had been rumored for a long time that Nolan would be interested. Tarantino has been interested about doing like a basically very Tarantino-esque re- reimagining of it.
19:23 Sean Fennessey? I think they've approached Spielberg multiple times.
19:24 Chris Ryan? But Nolan's essentially made three Bond movies.
19:27 Bill Simmons? That would have started another world war, I think, if Tarantino had done a Bond movie. I think England would have just tried to invade us.
19:32 Chris Ryan? My favorite two what ifs are Tarantino Star Trek and Tarantino Bond. Like, that's just so fascinating to me.
19:38 Sean Fennessey? Would have been a lot of fun.
19:39 Bill Simmons? Tarantino Bond would have been just on heroin. Yeah, no, I would say he has to be the best director of, he's probably the first time a top five director has done a Bond movie.
19:50 Sean Fennessey? I think so.
19:51 Bill Simmons? Like somebody who's consensus like in the top five now.
19:53 Speaker 06 Do you think James Bond is still the coolest role you can book in Hollywood?
19:57 Chris Ryan? It is in England, for what it's worth. I mean, I think for, for a British actor.
20:02 Speaker 06 Cause 10 years ago, you could probably say it was a superhero. I don't know if that's the case now. Is it, is it Bond still?
20:07 Bill Simmons? I still think Batman's the coolest role. I think that's, that's like the
20:11 Sean Fennessey? I think I agree.
20:11 Bill Simmons? Super Bowl winning NFL quarterback role.
20:12 Chris Ryan? There's like three or four or five roles where it's like, your fucking life's about to change. Like you think you're famous now.
20:17 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
20:18 Chris Ryan? You think you've got paparazzi following you now. You think people are speculating. Your life is gonna change. Your Superman.
20:23 Speaker 06 Batman, Spider-Man, Bond.
20:24 Chris Ryan? Superman, Batman, Bond, yeah. I wonder who else that like.
20:28 Sean Fennessey? J D Vance.
20:29 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
20:29 Sean Fennessey? That's one of them. Um, what's the other?
20:32 Chris Ryan? Uh, Hamnett.
20:34 Sean Fennessey? Hamnett, yup, that's the other one.
20:35 Chris Ryan? The little guy who's just like.
20:37 Sean Fennessey? To Kobe Juke.
20:38 Chris Ryan? Get ready, brothers.
20:38 Sean Fennessey? His life has changed forever.
20:39 Bill Simmons? Have you watched Jessie Buckley sing?
20:41 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, there's a, there's a movie called Wild Rose.
20:44 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
20:44 Sean Fennessey? That every human has to watch where Jessie Buckley plays like a, an aspiring country and western singer, um, who is from, she's either Scottish or Irish in the film, I can't remember. And she sings like nine country western songs. Everyone is a fucking heater. It's ama, it's a movie that made me fall in love with her.
21:01 Bill Simmons? I went on a two hour deep dive of just talk show appearances and like, she might be the best. She, she might be the coolest thing in the, in the world.
21:10 Sean Fennessey? She got her start on a singing talent show in the UK.
21:12 Bill Simmons? I mean, she's Irish, so you know she's cool.
21:15 Chris Ryan? Hamnett last night.
21:17 Sean Fennessey? You did?
21:17 Chris Ryan? I liked it.
21:18 Bill Simmons? You're in the mood for a comedy?
21:19 Chris Ryan? I liked it.
21:19 Sean Fennessey? That's great.
21:20 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
21:20 Sean Fennessey? Nice. Good for you.
21:22 Bill Simmons? Well, you're a little late on it.
21:24 Chris Ryan? Sorry.
21:24 Bill Simmons? Lot of hype.
21:25 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
21:26 Bill Simmons? Lot of hype at this point.
21:27 Chris Ryan? But there was mixed, mixed hype.
21:28 Sean Fennessey? Bill's got a lot of Hammett stock.
21:30 Chris Ryan? He really does. It's one of the.
21:32 Bill Simmons? I thought it was the best female performance of the decade.
21:34 Chris Ryan? Bill Simmons, Hamnett.
21:35 Bill Simmons? Put it against any other performance.
21:36 Sean Fennessey? Wow.
21:37 Bill Simmons? Yeah, for real.
21:38 Chris Ryan? You're Hamnett and Train Dream stock.
21:40 Bill Simmons? We've had six years.
21:40 Chris Ryan? It's really interesting to me.
21:41 Bill Simmons? Six years of best actress performances. What was better than that?
21:44 Sean Fennessey? Well, Cate Blanchett and Tara's up there for me.
21:47 Bill Simmons? That's pretty good. God damn it. That's a good one.
21:49 Sean Fennessey? She didn't win, but that's up there.
21:51 Bill Simmons? She was unbelievable in that. And she learned how to be a conductor.
21:54 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Yes, she did.
21:55 Bill Simmons? That's pretty good.
21:55 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
21:56 Bill Simmons? I don't know. Hamnett really reached into my soul.
21:59 Sean Fennessey? Uh, I, I love to see you emotional.
22:01 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
22:02 Bill Simmons? Well, I wasn't expecting it. I think that was the thing. Um, speaking of emotional.
22:08 Sean Fennessey? Fuck. Bonk Jansen.
22:10 Bill Simmons? Broccoli's health was declining.
22:13 Chris Ryan? Albert's, yeah.
22:15 Bill Simmons? And, uh, and he died seven months after this movie. And this was also the first movie that didn't use any story elements from the Ian Fleming books. They were just like, we're gonna audible. But as Chris said earlier, feels kind of the most Bondy. Starts out with the big chase scene in the beginning. We have two hot girls. We have a gadget scene. We have a car chase. We have a crazy tank scene.
22:37 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, you're right.
22:37 Bill Simmons? We have a fun ending with like, in like a big apparatus.
22:40 Sean Fennessey? Rush is in the story.
22:41 Bill Simmons? Yeah, there's like some sort of confusing Cold War plot. Like, it, it kinda, if you're gonna do a checklist of things that should be in a Bond movie, it might check the most boxes.
22:50 Sean Fennessey? It's a really good point.
22:51 Bill Simmons? Good villain.
22:52 Chris Ryan? Great villain.
22:53 Bill Simmons? I don't really have.
22:54 Chris Ryan? One of my favorite, one of my favorite Bond villains. I wish that they had done more with that character.
22:57 Bill Simmons? Yeah. Um, so the reboot, this is the first Bond film after Berlin Wall collapses, collapse of the USSR, end of the Cold War. It's the first one that uses CGI. He casts a female M, which was a big deal to people.
23:15 Sean Fennessey? He doesn't see gender.
23:16 Bill Simmons? Well, I was just like, back then, I were like, what? It's gonna be a female? Now it's like, yeah.
23:22 Sean Fennessey? Smart, smart to cast like one of the most venerated actors.
23:25 Bill Simmons? Famous actress, play M. Um, and then, uh, the Bond girls.
23:32 Bill Simmons? Fomka Jansen.
23:34 Sean Fennessey? Easily in the top 10 Bond girls for me. Easily.
23:37 Chris Ryan? Oh, top five for me.
23:38 Bill Simmons? It's funny, there's, it's a question of whether she counts as a Bond girl because she's also a villain.
23:43 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, there's plenty of those over the years, right?
23:45 Bill Simmons? This is the rare movie that has two Bond girls together, but one's the heroine, the other is actually a villain, but they count as two Bond girls.
23:53 Chris Ryan? Do they, but they do that, I think, throughout the Brosnan movies, don't they? There's like a couple of.
23:59 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, there's a Dr. Christmas Jones, of course.
24:02 Chris Ryan? Yeah, Dr. Christmas Jones.
24:04 Sean Fennessey? Um, there's Halle Berry. She's also, what is she?
24:08 Chris Ryan? But is there, I, in my mind, I guess you're right. I hadn't thought about it like that, that there's.
24:12 Sean Fennessey? I think it's unusual for the, um, for the villain to outstrip the, the like love partner.
24:21 Chris Ryan? Yeah, the nice blonde girl.
24:22 Sean Fennessey? Sexiness and appeal, you know, like, there's always something a little bit more kind of vindictive and evil.
24:27 Bill Simmons? I, I love Isabella Skorupka in this. Really strange Wikipedia IMDb. This was the peak.
24:34 Chris Ryan? I had that, I, I, I really wanted to talk about her.
24:36 Bill Simmons? Bounced around after, but I think she's throwing 99 in this, and then Fonka's throwing like 107.
24:43 Chris Ryan? Yeah, Fonka's on, on steroids.
24:45 Bill Simmons? I don't know what she's doing in this movie, but I love it. I love every second of it.
24:48 Sean Fennessey? I'll hold my Isabella comments for later in the episode.
24:51 Bill Simmons? So, top blonde girl ever? What do you have? Here's my top three. Barbara Bach, Talisa Soto, I thought was just incredible.
25:01 Chris Ryan? Talisa Soto is incredible.
25:02 Bill Simmons? I just don't understand why she wasn't a massive star. And then Pussy Galore, just for half the name.
25:08 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
25:08 Bill Simmons? But just everything in that, that scene, that movie is so sexually loaded for this weird era to make that movie. Everything, it's just dripping of innuendo, but I think that's my top three.
25:19 Sean Fennessey? Eva Green is really.
25:20 Bill Simmons? Eva Green's a good one, too.
25:21 Sean Fennessey? In my zone.
25:23 Chris Ryan? I.
25:23 Bill Simmons? That's a good one. All right, I'll make it four.
25:25 Chris Ryan? I think Pussy Galore is probably up there. Who's the one in Man with the Golden Gun?
25:30 Chris Ryan? What's her character's?
25:32 Bill Simmons? I'm blanking. Oh, man, now we're all gonna be Googling stuff. So, Fonka Jansen, Dutch model, six feet tall, was on TV.
25:42 Chris Ryan? Man with the Golden Gun, the character's Mary Goodnight?
25:45 Bill Simmons? Yeah, Britt Eklund.
25:46 Chris Ryan? Britt Eklund, yeah.
25:47 Bill Simmons? Oh, Britt Eklund, yeah.
25:48 Sean Fennessey? Of course.
25:50 Bill Simmons? Does some TV stuff. Really important Melrose Place appearance?
25:54 Sean Fennessey? What happened? What'd she do?
25:55 Bill Simmons? Played a, played a hooker that.
25:57 Chris Ryan? Fonka?
25:58 Bill Simmons? That Dr. Michael Mancini hired. Call girl, lady of the night.
26:03 Chris Ryan? Sex worker, yeah.
26:04 Bill Simmons? That, uh, when Michael Mancini's.
26:06 Sean Fennessey? She played a whore!
26:08 Bill Simmons? Well, she was. Michael Mancini's ex-wife Jane was dating this lawyer who did their divorce.
26:15 Bill Simmons? Michael Mancini gets this lady to sleep with him, videotapes it, sends it to Jane, breaks them up. That was how I met Fomcat Jansen.
26:23 Chris Ryan? Okay.
26:24 Bill Simmons? Like, who is this? Ends up in Bond, plays Rounders, gets shut down by Mike McDee, the most controversial scene of the 90s. He's like, no, no, I'm good. No, thanks. Uh, she's in the faculty?
26:36 Chris Ryan? Yep.
26:37 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
26:37 Bill Simmons? A lot of people are in the faculty.
26:39 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, Jon Stewart.
26:40 Chris Ryan? We haven't done a faculty.
26:41 Bill Simmons? It's been knocking on the door.
26:42 Chris Ryan? Hey, man, whatever you want.
26:44 Bill Simmons? Saw it in the theater.
26:45 Chris Ryan? I just watched it recently.
26:46 Bill Simmons? Yeah, it was great.
26:47 Sean Fennessey? It was an event.
26:48 Bill Simmons? Uh, she's in X-Men, Nip Tuck, apparently, and then Taken franchise.
26:52 Chris Ryan? Mm-hmm.
26:53 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. I think, I think.
26:54 Bill Simmons? Good career.
26:54 Sean Fennessey? I think X-Men is definitely her, I think she's best known for at this point, because she was in Jean Grey in so many of those movies.
26:59 Chris Ryan? Rounders, and maybe in this room going forward, it's Xenia on a top.
27:03 Sean Fennessey? Special, special performance.
27:07 Bill Simmons? On a top.
27:11 Bill Simmons? I don't even understand it.
27:12 Chris Ryan? It's so close to Ivana Hump-a-lot. It's like, it's like so, almost on the verge of being.
27:17 Bill Simmons? Xenia on a top.
27:19 Sean Fennessey? That's another reason why Craig is right. I think that GoldenEye, the game, is the most kind of memorable aspect of this, but so much of Austin Powers.
27:28 Bill Simmons? That, I had that coming later. Yeah, let's do it now.
27:30 Sean Fennessey? Xenia on a top is just.
27:32 Bill Simmons? The gadget scene.
27:33 Sean Fennessey? A lot of vagina. It's like, that is the same character.
27:36 Bill Simmons? No, it's clear they watched this movie 10 times as they were writing the Austin Powers script. There's no question.
27:41 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
27:41 Bill Simmons? They were trying to pull a whole bunch of things off. Um.
27:44 Sean Fennessey? Austin Powers, still. He, five out of five.
27:48 Bill Simmons? Sean Bean is the bad guy.
27:50 Chris Ryan? And he had auditioned to Play Bond.
27:52 Bill Simmons? 006.
27:53 Chris Ryan? Mm-hmm.
27:53 Sean Fennessey? Mm-hmm.
27:54 Bill Simmons? Turns out, uh, this was his worst plan, other than when he decided to confront Queen Cersei and tell her about, he knew about the incest baby.
28:04 Sean Fennessey? Tough one.
28:04 Bill Simmons? That was probably Sean Bean's dumbest moment.
28:06 Chris Ryan? Probably.
28:07 Sean Fennessey? What are you up to in the Thrones rewatch from the sauna?
28:09 Bill Simmons? Season two now. I still can't believe he's sending it in to Queen Cersei.
28:12 Chris Ryan? As, as Boromir being like, I can hold this ring. I got this.
28:15 Sean Fennessey? Hmm.
28:15 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
28:16 Sean Fennessey? Been doing a lot of, um, Targaryen, Baratheon history in our household because of A Night of the Seven Kingdoms. Trying to figure out lineages. Yeah.
28:25 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
28:25 Bill Simmons? Complicated.
28:26 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
28:26 Bill Simmons? Lot of dark hair.
28:27 Sean Fennessey? Gates in there, you know?
28:28 Bill Simmons? Dark hair all the way through in the Baratheons.
28:30 Chris Ryan? Firing your roots.
28:31 Bill Simmons? One moment.
28:32 Chris Ryan? Demon Targaryen.
28:34 Bill Simmons? Uh, I like oh six though, cause there's like a little backstory. It's not just like a typical, I'm an evil villain. I want to take over shit.
28:40 Sean Fennessey? Totally.
28:40 Bill Simmons? It's like, oh, I kinda like get that.
28:42 Chris Ryan? He's a precursor for, um, uh, Bardem in Skyfall, which is like the, we were both spies. They, they, they, they broke me, you know? And, but this guy, I mean, he's got like basically a lifelong vendetta against.
28:57 Sean Fennessey? The whole thing with the lands, Cossacks is just a good idea. It's just, it's really cleverly constructed.
29:01 Bill Simmons? My biggest issue with these movies is when the person feels betrayed by England and wants to like, you know, commit a bunch of bad shit. I'm always like, I kinda see his point. England sucks.
29:11 Chris Ryan? There you go.
29:12 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
29:13 Bill Simmons? It's like, he's making some.
29:14 Chris Ryan? Anti-colonial film.
29:15 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Well, we live in America and my family's from Ireland, so England can fuck off.
29:19 Bill Simmons? Yeah. I mean, you know, seventeen seventy-three, they would have blown Boston into the fucking ocean. Now we have fourteen titles this century. Fuckers.
29:28 Chris Ryan? That's right. The only thing stopping.
29:31 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
29:32 Chris Ryan? Tom Brady was fucking King George.
29:35 Bill Simmons? Uh, directed by Martin Campbell, first non-Brit to direct a Bond movie. And there's like seventeen hundred writers and re-writers for this. They just kept tinkering and tinkering.
29:45 Chris Ryan? The accumulation.
29:46 Bill Simmons? Lies was a little close to the original story. They had to fix it.
29:49 Chris Ryan? Stuff with the true lies script, this script and the Mission Impossible movie of like, kind of what came first, what was sort of written down first, who had certain ideas first. But yeah, this was the accumulation of a bunch of drafts that they had done for the next Bond movie, some of which, like there was one with the American mafia. There's one with like, it's, it's all interesting to go back and look.
30:11 Sean Fennessey? And the movies are still done this way. You know, these huge movies that have, you know, two credited writers, but they're not the original writers. So there's a story by credit. And then you have five other people who took a whack at stuff to add to it.
30:21 Bill Simmons? Yeah. Usually that happens over two years.
30:24 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
30:24 Bill Simmons? Six with like the Cold War happening and then two competing projects that were on the corner.
30:29 Sean Fennessey? I got confused watching the, re-watching the movie today or yesterday because I thought when it starts and it's the USSR, I was like, so is this like a period piece? Like I had forgotten that they zoom ahead to the future because it's like almost exactly that period of time that goes by between movies.
30:45 Bill Simmons? Um, sixty million dollar budget made three hundred and fifty six point four million. It's the fourth biggest nineteen ninety five movie, which was not a small movie year.
30:54 Chris Ryan? It was just the biggest Bond.
30:56 Bill Simmons? Biggest Bond since Moonraker.
30:57 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
30:58 Bill Simmons? Moonraker crushed. People were like outer space bonds.
31:01 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
31:02 Bill Simmons? Jaws.
31:02 Chris Ryan? Gotta go.
31:03 Bill Simmons? Going.
31:04 Chris Ryan? Going twice.
31:05 Bill Simmons? Hundred and thirty minutes. So on the Craig Century Club, this is a plus thirty.
31:12 Sean Fennessey? Oh, they could have lost ten, twelve minutes. I think you can say that about every single Bond movie. I think every single Bond movie is just a little too long for me.
31:21 Bill Simmons? From about minute thirty five to minute seventy, I could have done twenty, twenty minutes.
31:29 Chris Ryan? You get to Cuba and you're like, man, we still got forty minutes. Yeah, there it's, it's a weirdly structured movie. The actual mission of the movie does not get introduced until forty five minutes in, which is quite. It's atypical for Bond.
31:42 Bill Simmons? Yeah, we could have zoomed in a little bit. Uh, our guy Roger Ebert, three stars.
31:47 Bill Simmons? The first Bond film that is self-aware.
31:49 Chris Ryan? Uh huh.
31:50 Bill Simmons? That has lost its innocence and the simplicity of its worldview.
31:55 Sean Fennessey? I mean, this is Zennia, man, you know?
31:57 Chris Ryan? Roger wanted to get squeezed out.
31:58 Sean Fennessey? This is, yeah, on the top of Raj, right?
32:01 Bill Simmons? It has some understanding of the absurdity and sadness of its hero.
32:05 Chris Ryan? On the top of Raj.
32:08 Sean Fennessey? Right.
32:08 Chris Ryan? You're going to hell for that.
32:11 Sean Fennessey? Just picture that, you know? Put him in one of those general outfits.
32:15 Bill Simmons? He didn't, he actually, their review wasn't as horny as I thought it was gonna be about the Bond girls.
32:20 Sean Fennessey? But you know, I mean, you know.
32:22 Bill Simmons? He said, uh, all the later Bonds suffer from the reality that no one else will ever really replace Sean Connery. I had a good enough time, I guess, although I never really got involved. I was shaken but not stirred.
32:34 Sean Fennessey? Banger.
32:34 Bill Simmons? Fucking Raj.
32:36 Chris Ryan? We still wrote like that.
32:37 Bill Simmons? So glad, so glad we get to keep him alive on the pod every week. Fucking bangers.
32:41 Sean Fennessey? Just an honor.
32:42 Bill Simmons? I was shaking but not stirred. He's like.
32:44 Sean Fennessey? Bangs.
32:45 Bill Simmons? Sense it. He's like, yes, yes.
32:47 Sean Fennessey? No edits.
32:47 Chris Ryan? I'll have a Schlitz.
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34:14 Bill Simmons? Most rewatchable scene, the opening scene's fucking awesome.
34:18 Sean Fennessey? Yep. We gotta put some context around bungee jumping. 1996, that's...
34:23 Bill Simmons? 1985. I don't know if I'd ever, I don't know if I'd ever seen a bungee jump before.
34:28 Sean Fennessey? I feel like it's about to be apex mountain for bungee jumping, though, right? Like, they were starting to introduce it in theme parks where you could do like mini versions of it at Action Park. And then it became, in the 90s, you would start to see people being like, "I'm going to the craziest bridge in the world."
34:43 Bill Simmons? I feel like MTV started showing like hardcore action stuff.
34:47 Chris Ryan? Yeah, there's also like, I feel like it's a trope in action movies of this time period for the main character to really, A, enjoy it, and B, the Bodhi move of like, "You think we're just having a regular conversation and then I just leap off the building?" And it's like, "Oh, no!" And it's like, he's bungee jumping.
35:03 Sean Fennessey? Also, like, right at the advent of the X-Games and skating and that whole world.
35:08 Chris Ryan? Extreme sports, yeah.
35:09 Bill Simmons? So we have just an awesome bungee jump that's filmed really well with some wall. You're like, "Where the fuck is this?" He lands, he upside down punches a guy taking a shit.
35:20 Sean Fennessey? Pretty good.
35:22 Sean Fennessey? Pretty good move.
35:23 Bill Simmons? I was probably wait for the flush before I attacked the guy.
35:26 Sean Fennessey? Immediately though, he's like, sorry, forgot to knock, you know, immediately with a bond line.
35:31 Bill Simmons? Gets away from somewhere between thirty and a hundred Russians on a small space. And then does an outrageous motorcycle plane jump. Um, all in about eight minutes.
35:43 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
35:45 Bill Simmons? I have some thoughts on that. We can do the pick and knits now of the freestyle jump into the plane, catching it, being able to get in and then turning the plane up.
35:52 Chris Ryan? My favorite part of this whole sequence is it seems like Trevathan was able to get to the same point without having to bungee jump and dive into a toilet bowl full of crap.
36:01 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I mean, I was thinking about making my flex category the, uh, Dan Campbell scale for holy shit, are they really going for this right now, which is him like jumping off the ledge and catching the plane, you know?
36:14 Chris Ryan? The exact same thing.
36:15 Bill Simmons? Motorcycle jumping.
36:16 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, what was the idea here?
36:19 Speaker 06 Yeah, fourteen nineteen, they're going for it?
36:20 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, yeah, there's a few of these in this movie where even by bond standards, I'm like, for real, dude?
36:26 Chris Ryan? Yeah, right. But clearly Tom Cruise saw this and was like, I'll base the next thirty years of my life on this.
36:30 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
36:31 Speaker 06 Don't you kind of think, just from a stunt perspective, I know he didn't actually do that, obviously, but from the character doing a stunt in a movie, that is a crazier stunt than anything Ethan Hunt has ever done.
36:43 Sean Fennessey? I think so.
36:43 Chris Ryan? I think it's cooler than hanging on the plane, you know, hanging on a biplane for twenty minutes.
36:49 Speaker 06 It's remarkable, eight Mission Impossibles, and I don't think there's a stunt cooler than that.
36:53 Sean Fennessey? Cause it, it, it, there's no reality to it. There's like, it is, it will break your brain trying to imagine.
36:57 Chris Ryan? But it doesn't look that fake?
36:59 Speaker 06 No, it's pretty good.
37:00 Bill Simmons? I believe they watched it. Uh, bungee jump was seven hundred and twenty-two feet, which was a record when they did it. Nobody had ever done that before. Was filmed in the Kontra Dam in, uh, Switzerland. And then that second stunt was awesome, too. Then he's like, trying to get the joystick.
37:18 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
37:18 Bill Simmons? Oh, I got it. I'm out. Really good. Uh, second scene, the car chase. We have an Aston Martin DBS against a Ferrari F355. Old versus new. Like a little LeBron versus Victor Wembanyama at the All-Star game.
37:32 Chris Ryan? Any thoughts on which, which one of those would you rather drive?
37:34 Bill Simmons? The Ferrari's toasting the Aston Martin.
37:36 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
37:37 Bill Simmons? Cause it's an older car.
37:38 Chris Ryan? It's a race car.
37:38 Bill Simmons? No chance.
37:39 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
37:39 Bill Simmons? Um, he's also, is he on a date? Like, what's going on?
37:43 Chris Ryan? No, that's like, I think that's his therapist or something.
37:45 Sean Fennessey? No, it's, no, it's, it's Money Penny.
37:47 Chris Ryan? No, it's not.
37:48 Sean Fennessey? Isn't it?
37:49 Chris Ryan? No, it's a different woman.
37:50 Bill Simmons? No, it's, it's not Money Penny.
37:51 Speaker 06 She's like HR or something.
37:53 Sean Fennessey? It's not Money Penny?
37:53 Chris Ryan? No, it's like, I, I looked it up. It's like, it's like the woman who's supposed to like, clear him psychologically to work.
37:58 Sean Fennessey? So they only have one Money Penny scene in the whole, that's so confusing.
38:01 Bill Simmons? It's a therapist. He ends up having sex with her on a cliff. So I don't know how the session went. I don't know if that's, you have to pay extra.
38:07 Sean Fennessey? It's not his therapist.
38:09 Bill Simmons? I think it's like his work assigned therapist or something.
38:12 Chris Ryan? It, it is.
38:13 Speaker 06 She's sent to do like a wellness check on him or like a mental background check.
38:17 Sean Fennessey? To make sure you weren't breaking the rules kind of thing.
38:19 Bill Simmons? James, you're incorrigible.
38:23 Bill Simmons? Who would have loved him?
38:23 Chris Ryan? Serena Gordon is Caroline, an MI6 psychological and psychiatric evaluator whom Bond seduces at the beginning of the film.
38:30 Sean Fennessey? Wow.
38:30 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
38:30 Sean Fennessey? Great.
38:31 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
38:32 Chris Ryan? Probably an HR violation.
38:33 Bill Simmons? Yeah, Bond was an HR problem.
38:37 Chris Ryan? Bond was a problem.
38:40 Bill Simmons? Like, HR's like, is it another Bond thing? Fuck.
38:43 Sean Fennessey? We can't insure him.
38:44 Bill Simmons? I knew we shouldn't have hired that assistant. Um, there's a baccarat scene.
38:50 Chris Ryan? And we've talked about this, but have you, are you a baccarat guy? Have you ever played?
38:53 Bill Simmons? We do this every time.
38:54 Sean Fennessey? I'm not.
38:55 Bill Simmons? It's the one card game. I have no idea what's going on.
38:57 Sean Fennessey? No clue.
38:57 Bill Simmons? It seems great. It seems super simple.
38:59 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
39:00 Chris Ryan? It's, is it blackjack and poker, but also it has a shoe?
39:03 Bill Simmons? Something fantasy's gonna take on when he turns 50. He's like, I've just become a big baccarat guy.
39:07 Chris Ryan? A ma- a major Pai-Gow guy.
39:09 Sean Fennessey? I've got a wealth goal and when I cross the wealth goal, I'll start playing baccarat. That's my, that's my life plan. Yeah.
39:15 Bill Simmons? Is it Pai-Gow then baccarat or is it, or is it reverse?
39:18 Chris Ryan? Pai-Gow's supposed to be like the thing you can play all night, right?
39:20 Sean Fennessey? Pai-Gow's great because it's just a hangout and drink game. It's a game you can just put a hundred dollars on the table and play as long as you don't get killed by a dealer. Um, I think baccarat's kind of the opposite, right? It's like, sit down with 50K. Um, otherwise.
39:33 Bill Simmons? Baccarat's like you're sitting down with two of Jerry Buss's sons and, and Toby McGuire.
39:39 Sean Fennessey? I've never played backgammon.
39:40 Bill Simmons? Three million dollars per hand.
39:41 Chris Ryan? It is really funny watching them play too because I'm like, are you trying to get 21? But you're drawing another card and it's like, are you trying to get three of a kind? Like, I can't tell what's going on.
39:50 Bill Simmons? He loses the first hand and wins the second one. And I have no idea what happened either.
39:53 Chris Ryan? He hustles her a little bit.
39:53 Bill Simmons? Like, why did that hit?
39:54 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, they're like five and six. And you're like, oh, well, six is higher than five. So that's obviously, he's the winner. Uh, have you ever aggressively gambled against a woman?
40:06 Bill Simmons? So that would just be poker?
40:07 Sean Fennessey? Well, you know, any card game like this.
40:09 Bill Simmons? No.
40:10 Sean Fennessey? You?
40:11 Chris Ryan? No.
40:14 Chris Ryan? I really only gamble with Zach playing blackjack and get nuked playing, yeah.
40:18 Bill Simmons? How about, like, with a, it was a very, very attractive woman throwing 107 miles an hour who has a long cigarette holder thing? What are those called, Sierra?
40:27 Chris Ryan? I don't know.
40:28 Bill Simmons? Yeah, I haven't done that.
40:30 Chris Ryan? I don't, I think it's cigarette holder.
40:31 Bill Simmons? Okay.
40:31 Sean Fennessey? When I was in New York, I played in a card game that was a bunch of friends who worked at magazines. And there was one woman who played in the game who worked at one of the magazines, but she was also a rising poker semi-pro. And she was very visible on the World Series of Poker a few years in a row. And she was a young, attractive woman. And, you know, I would sit in like a guy's apartment with two poker tables set up and it was like 13 guys and this woman. And she just annihilated every guy. Now, she was a better poker player, but it was the classic thing of just like, she just lulled you to sleep by gentle flirting with you anytime you were in a hand together. And you were like, absolutely, yeah, for sure.
41:10 Chris Ryan? You know my first name? Yeah.
41:12 Bill Simmons? It's like, where, where in Long Island are you from?
41:14 Sean Fennessey? I mean, it worked. It really worked.
41:16 Chris Ryan? You ever played Goldeneye?
41:17 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
41:17 Chris Ryan? I love that game.
41:19 Bill Simmons? I hope the third is your veal talent. She says that to James at one point.
41:24 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
41:25 Sean Fennessey? Veal.
41:26 Bill Simmons? Veal talent.
41:27 Sean Fennessey? So she's Dutch?
41:29 Chris Ryan? She's George.
41:30 Sean Fennessey? And she's doing Georgian.
41:31 Chris Ryan? And she's doing Georgian, yeah. Georgian separatist, I guess.
41:35 Bill Simmons? Do we want to do this now?
41:37 Sean Fennessey? Accent corner?
41:39 Bill Simmons? I had the Kevin Costner award for worst accent. The nominees are Fomkin Jansen trying to pretend she's Russian when she's Dutch. Alan Cumming as Boris.
41:50 Chris Ryan? No, I think he's
41:51 Bill Simmons? He's got like an English accent.
41:52 Sean Fennessey? It's terrible, but I love it.
41:53 Chris Ryan? Yeah, he's, he's going for it.
41:56 Bill Simmons? So what would you pick?
41:57 Sean Fennessey? I'm invincible.
41:59 Chris Ryan? I think NeNe Driver's Russian is pretty bad from this.
42:02 Bill Simmons? Oh, that's a good one.
42:03 Chris Ryan? From this stage.
42:03 Bill Simmons? Give it with her too. So right after they finish Baccarat,
42:10 Bill Simmons? James hits the same game parlay of Shaken Not Stirred, Bond, James Bond. He just fucking bangs both of them out. Plus 260 on Fanduel. He's just like, fuck it, I'm banging this.
42:20 Sean Fennessey? And he's just like, I fucking Zenia on the top. And he's like, I'm doing the classic shit to you right now.
42:24 Bill Simmons? I'm just playing all the hits. Great scene.
42:26 Sean Fennessey? So good.
42:28 Bill Simmons? This is a small scene for rewatchable, but I really love when James is flirting with Money Penny. And she's, she's here for it and it ends with, what's the penalty? And he goes, and she goes, someday you'll have to make good on your innuendos. And then they go into the office. I'm like, 1995 rules. It's amazing.
42:50 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
42:51 Bill Simmons? Money Penny looks great in this movie.
42:53 Chris Ryan? I'm trying to imagine like what your version of this would be. I'd be like, where do you have me on your trade value list?
43:00 Chris Ryan? Is it higher or lower than Sean Kemp?
43:04 Bill Simmons? What, what was Money Penny's job?
43:06 Chris Ryan? She was like the administrative, she ran the office.
43:10 Sean Fennessey? She sure did.
43:11 Bill Simmons? This is such a funny.
43:12 Chris Ryan? She's the secretary, but like, yeah.
43:13 Bill Simmons? Funny time for movies because disclosure comes out the same year. And it's like, everybody is aware.
43:19 Chris Ryan? That this shouldn't be happening.
43:20 Bill Simmons? Sexual harassment and maybe things in the workplace should change. But then the movies are like, let's be a little dangerous with it too. And now when you watch it 30 years later, it's hilarious. Like that, he would never, he'd be afraid to be in an elevator with her.
43:32 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
43:33 Bill Simmons? For two seconds.
43:34 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, yeah. He doesn't, doesn't really seek consent. James Bond, it's not one of his things.
43:39 Bill Simmons? I want to watch season three of Tell Me Lies with James Bond and Money Penny. They're like, oh my God. Natalia almost gets blown up seven times at that as a rewatchable.
43:50 Chris Ryan? When Goldeneye keeps going.
43:52 Bill Simmons? Yeah, keeps getting out of.
43:53 Sean Fennessey? How does she, she's like so.
43:54 Bill Simmons? Really good slow motion jump under the desk.
43:56 Sean Fennessey? So the idea there is get under the staircase. So even if the entire building collapses, you'll still survive because you were under a staircase.
44:04 Bill Simmons? I had some questions.
44:05 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
44:05 Sean Fennessey? Curious.
44:06 Chris Ryan? Then she gets out of a Siberian location just by.
44:09 Sean Fennessey? Walking?
44:10 Chris Ryan? No, like sled dogs.
44:11 Sean Fennessey? Oh, yeah.
44:12 Chris Ryan? But gets to St. Petersburg where she can go to an internet cafe.
44:15 Bill Simmons? Next scene, steam room sex fight.
44:17 Chris Ryan? Yep. Shout out to Eastern Promises.
44:20 Bill Simmons? Interesting porn search for any of the young kids out there.
44:23 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, that's sort of what it's like when you're watching Game of Thrones, right?
44:32 Bill Simmons? Great. She tries her leg crush move. Good, good wrestling finisher.
44:37 Sean Fennessey? Oh, yeah.
44:37 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
44:37 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
44:38 Bill Simmons? Yeah. I'm surprised the Vince McMahon diva's era, they didn't have somebody trying to do the Xenia on a top move.
44:43 Chris Ryan? The legs of the Janus group. Xenia on a top.
44:48 Bill Simmons? Sean Bean villain reveal. Some good Sean Bean.
44:52 Sean Fennessey? Enjoy that scene.
44:53 Chris Ryan? That's a good scene.
44:54 Bill Simmons? He's 06.
44:55 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
44:55 Bill Simmons? Trust an ancient concept.
44:57 Sean Fennessey? You, it's actually reasonable to expect that he would want to do the Bond villain thing where he explains the whole plot. Because it's more interesting to reveal to Bond that their connection.
45:07 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
45:07 Sean Fennessey? Is, is bigger. It's more complicated. They have history instead of just, I'm an evil villain and I'm after world domination, which gets a little boring in some of the Bond movies.
45:15 Chris Ryan? He says Bond's parents died in a mountain climbing accident.
45:18 Sean Fennessey? He does. Good lore there.
45:22 Bill Simmons? Tough one.
45:23 Chris Ryan? Does that get revised in Skyfall or is that like?
45:25 Sean Fennessey? I don't believe so.
45:26 Chris Ryan? Okay. He said an orphanage in Skyfall, but is it, it's like an orphanage that breeds special agents?
45:33 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, but it's only for kids whose parents have died in climbing accidents. It's the climbing orphanage.
45:38 Bill Simmons? Do you think it was like an avalanche or one of them slipped and the other tried to save them and they both died?
45:43 Sean Fennessey? So funny about that.
45:45 Bill Simmons? Just called plane crash.
45:46 Sean Fennessey? I re, I rewatched the next two Martin Campbell movies because Martin Campbell fucking rocks and we can talk about him. But the next one is Mask of Zorro and then the one after that is Vertical Limit.
45:53 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
45:54 Sean Fennessey? Which opens, the first scene in Vertical Limit is a father of two, of his, of a daughter and a son. Dying in a climbing accident.
46:03 Chris Ryan? Hmm.
46:03 Sean Fennessey? So it's like, was he trying to call back to GoldenEye?
46:05 Chris Ryan? If Vertical Limit had been more like Hamnet, where it's like at the very end, when it's like, I'm hanging on, somebody take care of our son, Jimmy. And then like.
46:22 Bill Simmons? Next scene is my most rewatchable, the tank chase. Complete with a Perrier crash.
46:27 Chris Ryan? Yes.
46:28 Bill Simmons? This scene is just fucking awesome.
46:30 Sean Fennessey? It is the most.
46:30 Bill Simmons? I just can't believe how awesome it is.
46:32 Chris Ryan? Another Dan Campbell, like when he sees the tank, you're like, he's getting in that tank.
46:35 Bill Simmons? Yeah, it's a great 90s device of you just see the tanker or like earlier when they're on the car chase and you see the bicyclers going uphill. I'm like, okay, like they did a good job of planting seeds.
46:46 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, the, my favorite shot in that whole sequence is when, uh, you know, Bond's got his head out of the tank and he's about to crash into the building and he's like, whoop. And he pops down and somehow nothing falls on him.
46:57 Bill Simmons? So I did some research on this. It's very hard for tanks to just move at a speed like this right away. It takes like a mile for them to.
47:06 Sean Fennessey? You call Hagseth.
47:06 Bill Simmons? Whatever. I think the turns are tough. Yeah, Hagseth was telling me about it. Hard to do the 90 degree turns.
47:14 Sean Fennessey? Oh, another tank call. Sure, Bill.
47:16 Bill Simmons? I like that they have these cuts to Bond. It's just so unrealistic. He's driving. We don't know how he's driving the tank. Is there a gas pedal?
47:23 Chris Ryan? Tanks usually take more than one person to drive. Yeah.
47:26 Bill Simmons? He's just doing this around the gun part. Just running through the city, taking out buildings.
47:31 Sean Fennessey? He's kind of driving it like a boat.
47:33 Chris Ryan? He also, it's just awesome when he has complete operational knowledge of any other country's.
47:37 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
47:38 Chris Ryan? Technologies.
47:39 Bill Simmons? Yeah, like what?
47:39 Chris Ryan? Russia. It's just exactly like the way we do it.
47:41 Bill Simmons? What part of, of secret agent class was that when they're like, hey, there might be a time when you have to drive a Russian tank?
47:47 Sean Fennessey? It's tank week. Yeah.
47:50 Bill Simmons? Xenia Aron Top dies.
47:52 Chris Ryan? This is a great death.
47:53 Sean Fennessey? So funny.
47:54 Bill Simmons? This time, Mr. Bond, the pleasure will be all mine. It's not. And then he gets off the Bond joke, though she always did enjoy a good squeeze. That's, that was the Austin Powers DNA.
48:06 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
48:07 Bill Simmons? Because he has a couple of those groaners in this and Austin Powers, Mike Myers must have been like, we gotta squeeze those in.
48:11 Sean Fennessey? With the cutaway to her, like, her whole body strapped to that V-shaped tree, which is such a funny image. It's really, it's the, probably the goofiest moment in the movie.
48:21 Bill Simmons? The pen scene, Alan Cumming flipping the pen, blows up. And then, uh, Bond versus Bean at the end, good ladder fight, Cumming gets frozen to death. I, I wrote that and it looks like they're fighting in a Fortnite set.
48:36 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
48:37 Bill Simmons? He's going in these secret doors. He's going, you play Fortnite?
48:39 Chris Ryan? I'm sure, I'm sure Fortnite was inspired by stuff like this.
48:42 Bill Simmons? Some people are gonna get this, but yeah, he's hanging at one point.
48:46 Sean Fennessey? Wow.
48:46 Bill Simmons? He's going around, it's deathifying, you could jump, you don't want to fall to your death.
48:50 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Are you Fortnite influencing right now?
48:53 Bill Simmons? I, I was a little bit. I like to stay in touch with the kids.
48:55 Chris Ryan? Talking about it like it's a Velvet Underground bootleg. He's like, some people may not get this, but Fortnite's a game, yeah.
49:02 Bill Simmons? So we are off tank for rewatchable or would you go Bunch of Jump?
49:05 Sean Fennessey? I would, I would go tank just because it's the most like, holy shit, how did they even do this scene? I do want to add a quick note for a small scene that I really like, which is when Bond meets Jack Wade, Joe Don Baker, the CIA agent, and their chemistry and driving the tiny car together. I like that scene a lot, too.
49:21 Bill Simmons? What'd you have for most rewatchable?
49:23 Chris Ryan? Opening 12 minutes, I think are pretty elite. Everything leading up to the Bond song is, is as entertaining as it gets.
49:29 Bill Simmons? It's a golden eye.
49:34 Chris Ryan? Really disrespecting Tina Turner.
49:35 Sean Fennessey? Poor Tina, R.I.P.
49:36 Bill Simmons? Written by Edge and Bono.
49:38 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
49:39 Bill Simmons? Living next door to Tina Turner in France, went over and they just concocted this song and they're like, you have it. That should have been her first sign.
49:46 Sean Fennessey? And you can tell.
49:47 Bill Simmons? They're like, we don't want this.
49:48 Sean Fennessey? She is just singing in Bono's register and that's why the song doesn't, doesn't work because they don't, they're not the same singer.
49:54 Chris Ryan? There's really not a melody to the song either.
49:56 Bill Simmons? We had such good music. 1994, 1995 were probably the peak of modern music.
50:01 Chris Ryan? People involved in this song make great music. Nellie Hooper produced it.
50:05 Bill Simmons? I don't understand how they missed on this.
50:06 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
50:07 Sean Fennessey? It's just, it's the wrong vocalist with the way that the song is written.
50:11 Bill Simmons? What's the most 1995 thing about this movie? I have four nominees, but what do you have?
50:15 Chris Ryan? I had Fall of the Soviet Union into the rise of a corrupt Russia or needing an internet cafe.
50:22 Bill Simmons? Oh.
50:22 Sean Fennessey? Um, I had the same thing and I also just those PCs, just like looking at those computers.
50:27 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
50:28 Bill Simmons? Yeah, I had the computer hacking and the computers. I had harmless sexual tension at work, felt very 1995. Tina Turner doing a theme song written by Bono and The Edge?
50:39 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
50:39 Bill Simmons? Has to be in the nineties somewhere.
50:41 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
50:41 Bill Simmons? Um, but my number one is the BMW Z3. Cause that, that's a huge part of this movie. They basically held the car for six months to debut it in GoldenEye.
50:51 Chris Ryan? It's the first German car, the first not, not English car in the, in the series, right?
50:56 Bill Simmons? You want my take on this now?
50:57 Chris Ryan? Uh huh.
50:59 Bill Simmons? Never liked them.
51:00 Sean Fennessey? The Z3?
51:01 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
51:02 Chris Ryan? You drove a Z?
51:03 Bill Simmons? Just, I always thought they were corny. I, I just thought they were trying too hard to be like Alfa Romeo. It's like, stick to your guns BMW, make the best cars.
51:10 Chris Ryan? God, I wonder if you would have an amazing car pod.
51:13 Bill Simmons? You think I should?
51:14 Chris Ryan? And just have a, just take a spin with Bill Simmons and it's just you being like, let's talk about, let's talk about Aston Martins, yeah, Ralph Romeo.
51:21 Sean Fennessey? It's called lane zagging and it's just, you know, unexpected car takes.
51:25 Bill Simmons? Not a cool car. It's the kind of car like an English secret agent.
51:28 Chris Ryan? Driving in the car with Khan, you know?
51:34 Chris Ryan? It's just you driving Khan.
51:36 Bill Simmons? I wouldn't feel comfortable driving Khan around in the BMW Z3.
51:39 Sean Fennessey? You think Khan Canipal has a chance at Bond in the future?
51:42 Chris Ryan? It's very possible. Did you catch this whole?
51:44 Sean Fennessey? I'm well aware, yeah. Well, I, I heard it slip on a previous pod and I was like, what happened there?
51:48 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
51:50 Bill Simmons? He was a guest on a podcast, I gave him a ride.
51:52 Chris Ryan? But you don't drive us anywhere.
51:54 Bill Simmons? You never have.
51:55 Sean Fennessey? You did used to. You'd, I feel like.
51:57 Bill Simmons? If you showed up in an Uber, I would have been like, I'll give you a ride back.
51:59 Sean Fennessey? In the like 13 through 17 days, I feel like frequently you were like, come on, I'll drive you. And now you're like, eh, I'm good.
52:06 Bill Simmons? You show up in a car, like, how am I gonna drive you when you have a car?
52:09 Sean Fennessey? Back then too. You were, you were really, you were really into driving us around. I remember this well.
52:13 Chris Ryan? Yeah, okay.
52:15 Bill Simmons? Uh, the BMW Z3 is my answer.
52:17 Sean Fennessey? Is Khan the new CR?
52:20 Chris Ryan? Can Khan do impressions like?
52:22 Bill Simmons? Double K.
52:24 Bill Simmons? What's aged the best? Killing someone with your legs during sex as a female villain move. Still spectacular 31 years later.
52:31 Sean Fennessey? It's really good.
52:32 Bill Simmons? I don't know who thought of it. Give them an honorary Oscar.
52:35 Sean Fennessey? What do you think about the fact that she's so, that she gets off from that?
52:39 Chris Ryan? I was gonna say, one of the thing that aged the best is that Famka Jansen's major acting note in this is, I'm just gonna come every five minutes, no matter what. I'm like playing cards.
52:50 Sean Fennessey? Fully clothed whilst dressed.
52:52 Chris Ryan? She kinda has an orgasm when she gets her back broken against the trees. She's like, oh, yes, the final one.
53:02 Bill Simmons? Multi-orgasmic Bond villain. Russian villains aged the best. I have 1990's Joe Don Baker. Just coming in hot in different movies at a great stage in his career.
53:14 Sean Fennessey? I mean, this is just crazy, though. Joe Don Baker was the villain in the previous Bond movie.
53:19 Bill Simmons? I know.
53:19 Sean Fennessey? And then he's the CIA guy in this movie.
53:22 Chris Ryan? They do this sometimes. I feel like they have like, oh, let's just bring him back.
53:25 Sean Fennessey? I don't have a problem with it. I love Joe Don Baker, but...
53:27 Chris Ryan? The reason it's not Felix is because Felix loses a leg in the previous, is it in License to Kill?
53:33 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
53:34 Chris Ryan? The last Dalton movie?
53:35 Sean Fennessey? Or is it Living Daylights?
53:37 Bill Simmons? No, that's why. He got a leg severed, you're right.
53:40 Chris Ryan? But then he comes back.
53:41 Bill Simmons? We mentioned the Austin Powers thing. And then for What's Aged the Best, the integrated sponsors were BMW, which we mentioned, but then IBM ThinkPad, which launched in 92. This was the 95 model. This was the first computer I ever had, and I've had ThinkPads ever since.
53:59 Bill Simmons? But they, this movie does integrations. Perrier, BMW, but they, they're actually like organic. They're not, you don't feel like they're ramming them down your throat. They actually like factor in the plots, which I appreciated. What, oh, I had Mini Driver just being in this movie randomly. And then the poster's really good, if you want to check it. It's just a good Bond poster. Would you have anything?
54:20 Sean Fennessey? I'm Pierce Brosnan. I think like, he was well received, not like overwhelmingly received, but this, obviously this movie's a big hit. I don't think that the next three movies are all that good, but I do think he's a very good Bond, because he kinda splits the difference. And I have like a very overextended Simmons-esque NBA center metaphor for you.
54:40 Bill Simmons? Let's hear it.
54:40 Sean Fennessey? For the, for the Bonds.
54:41 Bill Simmons? Like it.
54:42 Sean Fennessey? Connery, obviously Bill Russell. Lazenby is Wilt, kinda got one, one chip. Moore is Samson.
54:53 Sean Fennessey? Dalton is Patrick Ewing. Clearly Brosnan is Shaq. Daniel Craig is Wemby. Where can we go next?
55:02 Bill Simmons? That's really good.
55:03 Chris Ryan? Trying to think of who would be.
55:04 Bill Simmons? Kareem just left out.
55:06 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I don't, I, no one's really done that. No one's really had Bond for 25 years.
55:12 Chris Ryan? Would you accept? Daniel Craig is Embiid? Because that character is often defined by his like, physical frailty?
55:21 Sean Fennessey? Embiid has won nothing.
55:23 Bill Simmons? And doesn't play.
55:24 Chris Ryan? Okay.
55:24 Bill Simmons? Other than that, I think you're right on.
55:26 Chris Ryan? But like, Skyfall, all those movies are like, oh, you're getting old, you're addicted to drugs, you're an alcoholic and a womanizer. Not, Embiid's none of those things, but is frail. And now we could, but then we could be like, could Callum Turner be Wemby?
55:40 Bill Simmons? Couldn't Daniel Craig be Jokic? He's like an atypical physical gifts for the part, but just gets the job done and is convincing anyway.
55:50 Sean Fennessey? Could be.
55:50 Chris Ryan? I like that.
55:51 Sean Fennessey? So then Callum Turner has to be, will, will he be the tallest Bond?
55:56 Bill Simmons? Do I know who Callum Turner is?
55:58 Chris Ryan? Did you watch that Masters of the Air movie at all? The show, the one with Apple?
56:03 Sean Fennessey? He was in The Boys in the Boat, did you see that?
56:05 Speaker 06 He's dating Dua Lipa?
56:06 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I think they're engaged.
56:08 Bill Simmons? She's incredible. Yeah, it's a great job by him.
56:10 Speaker 06 Is he Bond?
56:12 Sean Fennessey? People believe he's gonna, I mean, we could do like, who should be Bond, there's a whole other like.
56:14 Speaker 06 But that's not official, right?
56:16 Sean Fennessey? No, but it's strongly rumored.
56:17 Chris Ryan? And now he's like, they're getting like, chased all over Paris by paparazzi, it's like, kinda, I feel like it's like, turning up on it.
56:23 Speaker 06 Does Dua do the Bond song, or is she in the movie?
56:26 Sean Fennessey? It's a no brainer.
56:27 Chris Ryan? It's, it's.
56:27 Speaker 06 Which would you rather, both? Does she play a Bond group?
56:30 Sean Fennessey? I think it's the song.
56:31 Speaker 06 Just the song.
56:32 Sean Fennessey? In the movie is a little too tongue in cheek for me.
56:34 Bill Simmons? She's a home run. They would never go, she's a home run. Great at everything, good interviewer, I like everything she does.
56:40 Sean Fennessey? Big book reader, you know, she has a book podcast.
56:42 Bill Simmons? Yeah, she's, she's great. They'd never cross over and, and go outside the box, right? Do they have like, a prototype for Bond? Like, they would never do Daniel Kaluuya, or like.
56:53 Speaker 06 He was the one.
56:54 Chris Ryan? There was, there was, that was. Before No Time To Die came back, I think it was more like, what could we do?
57:01 Sean Fennessey? I think him and Dev Patel were the only times where it was like, this would have been interesting if they tried this, but it's, there's, there's too much anxiety.
57:07 Bill Simmons? If they went American.
57:08 Chris Ryan? They talked about Idris Elba so long that he got too old for the part.
57:11 Bill Simmons? It'd be funny if they did American though, and the Brits all got mad and it's like, now you fucking assholes know how we feel when you take all of our American parts.
57:18 Sean Fennessey? That's some jerks.
57:21 Sean Fennessey? You're still mad about this.
57:22 Chris Ryan? Would you have Austin Butler?
57:23 Bill Simmons? Stay in your own country.
57:24 Chris Ryan? Do a British accent though, or would you have him be like the American guy?
57:26 Bill Simmons? I think Bond has to be English, which goes back to the Brosnan conversation. I don't think he was the best Bond, but if AI spat out what Bond would be, he would spit out Pierce Brosnan. He's like AI Bond.
57:38 Sean Fennessey? And like you said, it felt like, and even in 86, they knew, they were just like, this guy's born to be, even though he's Irish, he's born to be Bond. But he was 42 when he got the part, which is, I think by far the oldest of any actor.
57:48 Chris Ryan? And he did four movies or three?
57:50 Sean Fennessey? He did four.
57:50 Chris Ryan? Four, yeah.
57:51 Bill Simmons? Cause some of the people we'll talk about with casting whittens, but one in particular was Hugh Grant had some momentum. And I just don't think he could have been Bond. I don't see it.
58:01 Chris Ryan? I think he knew it.
58:01 Sean Fennessey? Never would have worked. The more interesting one.
58:03 Bill Simmons? I think he would have ruined it.
58:04 Sean Fennessey? You want to wait for casting whittens?
58:06 Bill Simmons? We can do it.
58:06 Sean Fennessey? I mean, the most interesting one is Liam Neeson.
58:08 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
58:09 Sean Fennessey? That would have been different, but it would have been closer, I think, to ultimately what Daniel Craig was, which was like burlier, tougher, bigger, you know, kind of like a, somebody who was, who needs to be physical in the part, in a way that Bond is not historically.
58:22 Chris Ryan? And carrying a lot of pain around. Like he would have to have like a dramatic take on Bond.
58:27 Bill Simmons? Plus famously endowed Liam Neeson.
58:30 Sean Fennessey? It's true. It's true. You think he would have been the first Bond to whip it out?
58:34 Bill Simmons? I just think that he would have had.
58:35 Chris Ryan? Full frontal, yeah.
58:37 Bill Simmons? I think we would have fit the part.
58:38 Sean Fennessey? That would be a good way to end a Bond movie, like the end of Boogie Nights.
58:46 Bill Simmons? He's just saying he's a big shit.
58:48 Chris Ryan? You have a license to kill.
58:48 Bill Simmons? Shining star.
58:51 Sean Fennessey? These are the living daylights.
58:52 Bill Simmons? I have the biggest gun. Do you have any what's aged the best?
58:56 Chris Ryan? Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's, it never fails for me when you're trying to kill the hero of the movie in the most elaborate, ornate, time-consuming way possible. Instead of just shooting him in the head, you also have to give him a speech. Bond should have died nine times in this movie. But they're like, you, you don't understand, Mr. Bond, is that I am going to tell you all about the fall of Russia.
59:16 Sean Fennessey? There's one very bad version of it in this movie. That is, when they're trying to crack Natalia's encryption code near the end and Boris is doing the pen thing, and Bond is just standing there and it's like, just shoot him in the head. You know, like, it is the Scott Evil thing where it's like, why do you even need Bond to be here? Just kill him and get it over with. Like, he's just watching.
59:34 Chris Ryan? Wait, we gotta get the other, we gotta get the girl or we gotta get Bond to come. I have the other, which is the best I have. I hadn't noticed this before when I watched it, but when they blow up the dam, the first action sequence and he blows the whole thing up and he's flying away, he does like a fucking victory lap, like he's flying away, he barely gets away from the explosion. And he's like, you know what? I'm going back to see one of these.
1:00:00 Chris Ryan? It's like, you can get a tossing foul for that, yeah.
1:00:03 Bill Simmons? Great shot, Gordo Award, most cinematic, has to be the opening scene, right?
1:00:06 Chris Ryan? Yeah, the dam, the wall. The plane hitting the dam.
1:00:09 Bill Simmons? Chess Rockwell Brockland is the word, best character name. You could argue it might be the Zenya Anatop Award.
1:00:14 Chris Ryan? Yeah, I think we should actually change it.
1:00:16 Bill Simmons? I don't understand how they even came up with that.
1:00:20 Sean Fennessey? It's brilliant.
1:00:20 Bill Simmons? It's sexual, but then you actually look at it, it's like, not sexual, but it feels super sexual? It's like the perfect balance of it.
1:00:29 Chris Ryan? Do you think the name came before her sexual proclivity for squeezing men?
1:00:33 Sean Fennessey? It's a, she comes from a long line of Anatops, yeah. Those Georgian warriors.
1:00:37 Chris Ryan? My mother taught me, like her grand, my grandmother taught her.
1:00:40 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I think Boris Grushenko is a very good Russian hacker name, too. It's like, if you had to come up with a Russian hacker name, you couldn't do better than that.
1:00:47 Bill Simmons? Hans Gruber scale villain ranking, we don't get to give this out very often. I had Zenya as a nine and a half out of 10. And I have.
1:00:55 Chris Ryan? Gruber's a 10.
1:00:56 Bill Simmons? 006 is, Gruber's a 10. 006, AKA Sean Bean, probably like a seven and a half, eight.
1:01:02 Chris Ryan? I think he starts really hot and heavy and then hits a rookie wall.
1:01:05 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:01:06 Sean Fennessey? Little shaky on his plan. Little, little shaky on his.
1:01:09 Chris Ryan? Well, he's like Gruber. It's like, for all of the talk about revenge and, and setting the political landscape right, he really just wants money.
1:01:17 Sean Fennessey? He wants money, yeah.
1:01:18 Bill Simmons? CR's flex?
1:01:20 Chris Ryan? This is really exciting for me. The Rick Trichetti Guard Meat Award for the most memorable death by a security guard or other bystander whom the movie treats as inconsequential, but who probably had a spouse and kids who love him. And it's gotta go to the train driver who
1:01:37 Chris Ryan? Trevethy is like, "Full speed ahead!" As a tank is looking at him. And if the tank projectile doesn't kill him, the ensuing inferno doesn't kill him, then he flies like full speed ahead into a tank and a tunnel. I can't imagine that guy just being like, "I just wanted a good job with good hours!"
1:01:58 Sean Fennessey? Presumably, he's got a pension, right?
1:02:00 Chris Ryan? Sure, in Russia, those things really worked out. Yeah.
1:02:03 Bill Simmons? Whatever, Igor. Igor's gone. He crashed a tank.
1:02:07 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, James Bond killed him.
1:02:08 Chris Ryan? That train is also going like 90 miles per hour and people are easily jumping off of it and stuff.
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1:03:59 Bill Simmons? You mentioned multiple scenes where Bond just should have died.
1:04:03 Bill Simmons? I'd go with that. I think the plot's confusing. And sometimes I just feel like I'm like movie dumb sometimes if the plot's just too many variables. I'm just, my brain starts glazing over, but I still don't 100% understand what happened in this movie.
1:04:21 Sean Fennessey? Well, there's a-
1:04:22 Bill Simmons? Can you explain it in a sentence?
1:04:25 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, a former MI6 agent is seeking revenge on the nation of England and attempting to become extraordinarily wealthy by gaining control of a powerful nation destroying satellite.
1:04:39 Bill Simmons? Called Golden Eye, yes.
1:04:41 Sean Fennessey? Is that, is that?
1:04:42 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:04:43 Sean Fennessey? Did I miss anything?
1:04:43 Chris Ryan? I, I, there, there's a lot of confusing stuff where there's like, is there two Golden Eyes?
1:04:48 Sean Fennessey? There, there-
1:04:49 Bill Simmons? I thought there were.
1:04:50 Chris Ryan? Okay.
1:04:50 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, there definitively are two satellites.
1:04:52 Bill Simmons? But if Golden Eye was this important, wouldn't they protect it better?
1:04:56 Chris Ryan? But that's the problem with this end of the Soviet Union.
1:04:58 Sean Fennessey? They set that up at the Death Star as well. You know, we know how that ended.
1:05:01 Bill Simmons? All right, maybe I'm just dumb.
1:05:03 Sean Fennessey? I think, I think I do find all James Bond plot mechanics a little dumb.
1:05:08 Chris Ryan? It's strange that they, I almost wonder whether they make them overly complicated so that they don't ever have to like, be thoroughly interrogated. Like, we go into James Bond movies and even the Craig ones, you're like, what?
1:05:21 Sean Fennessey? I, I feel, I totally feel that way in the Craig ones, which, and I love those movies, but I, I find most of them to be a little incoherent.
1:05:27 Bill Simmons? I think it's almost like how your iPhone overheats when it gets too hot and just like phases down.
1:05:32 Chris Ryan? This is what happens when you have like nine writers, four producers who are all like, I'm actually the person who's in charge.
1:05:37 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. It doesn't really matter though, because one of the great things, like I have learned this, like learning to love the series over the years. They are style over substance. That is the point. And so if you know that you're, what you really are there for is shaken, not stirred, and xenia on a top and big explosions, then just roll with it. And it's okay. It's not trying to be anything- Different from that.
1:05:58 Bill Simmons? You just described me cuz the the plot it's like I could really try to pay attention and try to thread these needles. Or I could just turn my brain off and get to the next thing and that's kind of where I landed.
1:06:07 Sean Fennessey? I think that's why they're fun in that nine hour chunks too, like you said.
1:06:11 Chris Ryan? It's almost better when you're like, oh, is this never say never or diamonds are forever and you're like, oh, this it doesn't really matter.
1:06:16 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:06:16 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:06:17 Bill Simmons? What's age the worst? We mentioned the Tina Turner theme song.
1:06:21 Bill Simmons? Q calls Bond a misogynistic dinosaur? I don't know, man. I'm trying to root for him here. Need a hero for two hours.
1:06:31 Sean Fennessey? Wow.
1:06:31 Bill Simmons? They need a character assassination on Bond? This is kind of my guy. I'm trying to buy into him saving the world. You're fucking taking shots at him. Maybe maybe a little better pregame speech.
1:06:41 Chris Ryan? Sure.
1:06:42 Bill Simmons? I don't know if Vrabel threw that at Drake May before the Super Bowl.
1:06:44 Chris Ryan? Did you see them mic'd up though? Did you see them mic'd up for the Super Bowl with Barrymore and and Williams being like, this isn't on us, like indicating it was on Drake?
1:06:54 Sean Fennessey? Damn.
1:06:55 Bill Simmons? We're not talking about that.
1:06:56 Chris Ryan? Okay.
1:06:57 Sean Fennessey? I mean, they were right. I thought Pat's D played very well.
1:07:00 Bill Simmons? I saw the the mic'd up when Drake May got hit near the end of the game and landed on his shoulder and couldn't get up. And Vrabel went to help him and realized he couldn't pull him up with his right shoulder cuz his right shoulder is probably broken. And kind of helped him with his shoulder pads. I saw that one. Did you see that one, Craig?
1:07:14 Chris Ryan? That was like Friday Night Lights.
1:07:15 Bill Simmons? That wasn't great. That's like he was severely injured. He did look very injured in that moment. At the end of the game.
1:07:20 Sean Fennessey? Really Jerry Seinfeld, that's a shame energy from over here.
1:07:24 Bill Simmons? What's age the worst? I thought the gadget scene could have been more fun.
1:07:28 Chris Ryan? It's it's an old Q and it's.
1:07:31 Bill Simmons? It's just lukewarm.
1:07:32 Chris Ryan? They just didn't have a lot of juice in those gadgets.
1:07:34 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:07:34 Chris Ryan? It was like, look at my leg cast that shoots a missile. It's like, when the fuck am I ever gonna wear a leg cast?
1:07:40 Sean Fennessey? Well, Drake May needs one now, yeah.
1:07:41 Chris Ryan? But you imagine James Bond like rolling around being like, don't don't mind my broken leg. I'm still on the on the job.
1:07:46 Sean Fennessey? You think Drake should pivot to Bond? Would that be a better career move for him?
1:07:49 Bill Simmons? I don't know if he has the personality. My last one was, um, I thought the score and the soundtrack just sucked.
1:07:56 Chris Ryan? Dude, thank you. So the most egregious offense in the history of Bond movies might very well be the music that's playing. As Bond and the girl are in the Aston Martin and and Zennias in the Ferrari. It's like Super Mario Brothers pause music.
1:08:11 Bill Simmons? It's terrible.
1:08:14 Chris Ryan? And you're like, this is the fucking coolest guy in the world, the hottest woman in the world, and two of the best cars in the world, and we got fucking Luigi jumping around in the background. Like, what is happening?
1:08:24 Sean Fennessey? He really got caught out with that one. He really enjoyed that.
1:08:29 Bill Simmons? Well, I was thinking like, two years later, The Saint came out, which we already did on rewatchables. And one of the great things about The Saint, it's the same kind of thing. They're in all these locations. The music and the sound and the score, and they're tapping into all that music from the orb and like all that shit.
1:08:45 Sean Fennessey? I have one more.
1:08:47 Chris Ryan? One more, what?
1:08:48 Sean Fennessey? What's age the worst?
1:08:48 Chris Ryan? Oh, yeah.
1:08:50 Sean Fennessey? Passwords for satellites that can blow up the world, having passwords like chair?
1:08:54 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:08:55 Bill Simmons? Not even like three dollar signs at the end or anything?
1:08:57 Chris Ryan? Well, they were, that was the first, those are early days of passwords.
1:09:00 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. What was, what was the first password you ever used?
1:09:03 Chris Ryan? It was probably like, I don't know, Iverson.
1:09:06 Sean Fennessey? Ghostface Killer is the best.
1:09:08 Chris Ryan? Yeah. It was like, it was literally like Iverson. Yeah.
1:09:10 Bill Simmons? What was your first email address?
1:09:12 Chris Ryan? Uh, well, I had like a paragraph long dot edu email address for a while.
1:09:17 Bill Simmons? Oh, that wasn't your first personal one?
1:09:19 Chris Ryan? And then my first one was Hotmail, [email protected] .
1:09:23 Bill Simmons? What was yours, Sean?
1:09:25 Sean Fennessey? I, I'm dead serious. I think it was like Reservoir Dog 327.
1:09:30 Sean Fennessey? Dead serious.
1:09:30 Chris Ryan? What was the server?
1:09:33 Bill Simmons? This would be a good podcast.
1:09:35 Sean Fennessey? AOL, maybe?
1:09:36 Chris Ryan? It would also be fun if we could go back into those email accounts and see like what, what's been happening in there.
1:09:41 Bill Simmons? What was your first email?
1:09:43 Chris Ryan? It's Craig Rollback at Gmail.
1:09:45 Speaker 06 Instant Messenger account? Did you need an email for that?
1:09:47 Chris Ryan? You had to have a username. You had to like have a chat name.
1:09:50 Speaker 06 Yeah, I had that. My first email was probably Craig Rollback at Yahoo.
1:09:53 Chris Ryan? But what was your AOL name? Or were you too old?
1:09:56 Speaker 06 I don't remember.
1:09:57 Sean Fennessey? You don't know what it was like?
1:09:58 Chris Ryan? Miguel Tahada 445.
1:10:00 Speaker 06 Mark Ellis.
1:10:02 Bill Simmons? My first one was DrLoomis22@ AOL.com.
1:10:05 Sean Fennessey? Seriously?
1:10:06 Chris Ryan? Yeah, so fucking good, man.
1:10:07 Sean Fennessey? Wow. That's why we're all here today.
1:10:10 Bill Simmons? I watched A W L for 15 years staring at a wall, staring through the wall.
1:10:16 Chris Ryan? My other what's aged the worst is the one moment where they tried to make it serious and Bond is like wistfully staring at the sea in the Caribbean. And it's just like, give me a break, dog. You're not, you're not mad about any of this.
1:10:26 Bill Simmons? Yeah, you're having a great time.
1:10:27 Chris Ryan? Traumatized by this.
1:10:28 Sean Fennessey? So it's okay when Michael Mann does it, but it's not okay when James Bond does it.
1:10:31 Chris Ryan? The whole movie is that, if Skyfall, like where it's just like, that is what it's like, but he's been like banging ladies and driving cars and.
1:10:39 Bill Simmons? You just want to hit on people at work and drive a cool car. Stop.
1:10:41 Sean Fennessey? Is this the least sex James Bond has in a movie?
1:10:45 Bill Simmons? And the most people he's killed, I think.
1:10:46 Chris Ryan? He takes down Natalia.
1:10:48 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, but that's it.
1:10:49 Chris Ryan? Yeah, I guess so.
1:10:50 Sean Fennessey? One time, right?
1:10:50 Chris Ryan? Pretty chaste. No, he has sex with the therapist, with Serena Gordon. Yeah.
1:10:53 Bill Simmons? Well, he also, he brings Zenyatta to orgasm just from their steam room fight.
1:10:58 Chris Ryan? That's true.
1:10:59 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:11:01 Bill Simmons? We haven't had gotten to give this out yet. I'm really excited. The Earn This Award for cringey quote that should have been vetted by William Goldman first. After that whole action scene when, uh, when somebody crashes and Bond goes, the things we do for frequent flyer mileage. Which is fucking terrible. Like back to the workshop.
1:11:23 Bill Simmons? Forty-five writers in this movie. He had a couple of groaners that definitely had Austin Powers DNA.
1:11:29 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:11:29 Bill Simmons? Where you're like, oh, Meg Myers is like, I'm definitely making fun of this.
1:11:32 Sean Fennessey? He did.
1:11:33 Bill Simmons? Ruff Lohannon Rubenek Patridge, overacting word has to go to Alan Cumming as Boris.
1:11:38 Chris Ryan? Yeah, there's a very funny Sean Bean moment on the train where, uh, he goes to James like, see you in hell. And then he looks at, uh, Oremov, the guy who's got the gun on Bond. And he goes like this, like to like, indicate that he should kill him. And it's like, all right, Bean, take, take a couple of miles per hour off the head nod.
1:11:57 Bill Simmons? Sean, you have a flex category.
1:11:59 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I already talked about the Dan Campbell scale, but there, there is a criteria orgasm here.
1:12:03 Chris Ryan? Is there?
1:12:04 Bill Simmons? Oh, I didn't realize.
1:12:06 Sean Fennessey? During the opening sequence, when Bond is dragging the rack that has all of the tanks to make sure he doesn't get shot by any of the Russian soldiers. One of the soldiers accidentally fires on him and then Oremov turns around and shoots him. And that's like pulled right out of the wild bunch. That's in the open, in the opening scene in the wild bunch. It's like an homage to that.
1:12:28 Chris Ryan? That's awesome.
1:12:28 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:12:29 Chris Ryan? You should start making them up. You should be like, obviously.
1:12:32 Sean Fennessey? You'll never know.
1:12:33 Chris Ryan? Obviously Natalia is a reference to Paris, Texas.
1:12:36 Sean Fennessey? This is Tarkovsky's Ivan Rublev, you know, we all remember that moment.
1:12:40 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:12:41 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I should do that.
1:12:42 Bill Simmons? The Rob Mahoney thinks smells like team spirit sucks hottest take award, just shouting him out.
1:12:50 Bill Simmons? I have one, but I'll go last. Do you have one?
1:12:53 Chris Ryan? Judi Dench's take on M predicts the coming advanced analytics revolution.
1:12:57 Bill Simmons? Oh.
1:12:58 Chris Ryan? In 95, she would be right at the cutting edge of getting data and just making database choices. It's much more instinctual before that, you know, and.
1:13:07 Sean Fennessey? What about her sense of misogyny, though?
1:13:10 Chris Ryan? Well, that also is a precursor to like how the workplace would change. But I think my real one would be that after watching Bond and Trevithian, I think we missed, we missed a step by not making a Bond buddy movie along the way. And I.
1:13:25 Bill Simmons? Where the buddy dies at the end or.
1:13:27 Chris Ryan? Yeah, like I think a Bond and Alec movie would have been awesome, like a pre, like a pre one. And it's all of their relationship and then Golden Eye is like what happens after.
1:13:36 Sean Fennessey? I think part of the reason the movie works is that those two guys actually have chemistry.
1:13:39 Chris Ryan? Yes.
1:13:40 Sean Fennessey? And maybe more chemistry than he does with Isabella Skorupko, in my opinion. But that's a good one. I, they never, they've still never really taken a risk like that. They've actually done some, they did audacious stuff with Craig, but it still was Bond.
1:13:54 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:13:54 Sean Fennessey? They never, and I'm very curious to see if Amazon is like, fuck it, we're trying something totally different.
1:13:59 Bill Simmons? What do you have for hottest take? Do you have one?
1:14:02 Sean Fennessey? I think Brosnan would be considered the second best Bond ever if Martin Campbell made all of his movies. And the other three are so poor, even though the directors are fine. It's like Roger Spottiswood and Michael Apted, like not Lee Tomahory, but those movies are really, in my opinion, really not good. But Campbell is responsible for two of the seven best, I think, maybe seven or eight best Bond movies.
1:14:26 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:14:26 Sean Fennessey? And Brosnan loved Campbell and he was like, he was a warrior. There's a great featurette of him directing this movie on the Blu-ray that is like, he screams action so loud. And it's just like, let's go sharp as a knife. We're going again. Like really in his New Zealand accent. And he was like, he was the general of James Bond for a few years there. Unfortunately, he didn't get to work on them again.
1:14:53 Bill Simmons? Mine is, I put a lot of thought into who I think should have been the best Bond ever after Connery. Out of all the actors we've had. I landed on Colin Farrell. I think he would have been the best Bond. He's got the accent, the Irish, like Connery was Scottish, right? So it's, it's in the vicinity. So I think he could have pulled that off. I think he could have looked like Bond, like the everything that we think Bond is in our head. Think he did the action stuff. There would have been a little Sonny Crockett Miami Vice in there. Could have different hairdos for each movie. And I just think he would have been really good, right in that time when they were casting Dino Craig. But he was having a lot of issues and it wasn't going to happen.
1:15:32 Sean Fennessey? Okay. Would you trade Miami Vice completely, the movie? For Colin Farrell as Bond for 10 years?
1:15:40 Bill Simmons? No way.
1:15:40 Chris Ryan? Let me, let me, can I, I'm going to talk to my GM and I'm going to call you back. Phone call, ring, ring. Would you trade Ralph Fiennes as any of his like sort of modern Renaissance for him being Bond?
1:15:53 Sean Fennessey? I wouldn't trade Grand Budapest Hotel. Everything else is on the board. Voldemort, I don't care.
1:15:57 Bill Simmons? This is a good idea for our pod. Movie trades. Movie trade, just, oh yeah. Liam Neeson is too tall for Bond too. Liam Neeson's like 6'4".
1:16:07 Chris Ryan? It's also an interesting tidbit.
1:16:08 Sean Fennessey? I think Alan Turner's like 6'5" or 6'6".
1:16:11 Chris Ryan? That Natasha Richardson like forbid him from doing it. I couldn't tell if it was a joke, but it was an interesting little like.
1:16:16 Bill Simmons? He claimed that.
1:16:17 Chris Ryan? He said that Natasha Richardson, his wife at the time, didn't want him to do it.
1:16:20 Sean Fennessey? That's right.
1:16:23 Bill Simmons? Casting what ifs.
1:16:24 Sean Fennessey? Oh, okay, okay.
1:16:26 Bill Simmons? Before Brad, before Brosnan, Liam Neeson passed. First choice was Mel Gibson. Hugh Grant was smart enough not to know.
1:16:35 Chris Ryan? Wait, Mel Gibson?
1:16:37 Bill Simmons? Connor was pushing for Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson was one of the biggest stars in the world at the time.
1:16:40 Chris Ryan? A little old at the time.
1:16:41 Bill Simmons? I think a little too old, Australian.
1:16:43 Sean Fennessey? How, I mean, is he that much older than Brosnan though? He's gotta be in his mid 40s at that point.
1:16:47 Chris Ryan? Yeah, maybe you're right. He just looked a little older. This is the other thing is that some guys like.
1:16:51 Bill Simmons? No, I would say he was probably like 39 to 42 range.
1:16:54 Sean Fennessey? That's, yeah, Brosnan was 42.
1:16:56 Bill Simmons? I think Mel Gibson would have been a mistake. And they met with Ralph Fiennes who. Quiz show's ninety-four.
1:17:03 Sean Fennessey? He could have done it.
1:17:04 Bill Simmons? He could have done it.
1:17:05 Sean Fennessey? He could have done it.
1:17:05 Bill Simmons? I don't.
1:17:06 Sean Fennessey? It would have been different because he's a little bit more intellectual. So you it would have brought a different character to it.
1:17:12 Bill Simmons? It's he's.
1:17:12 Bill Simmons? See the swordsman you want in the in the Bond world though?
1:17:16 Chris Ryan? But like, you know, bigger splash and stuff like that.
1:17:17 Sean Fennessey? I was gonna say, he's done a couple of parts where you're like, that's that is a that's an old school.
1:17:22 Chris Ryan? But now he's M, so it doesn't matter.
1:17:23 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:17:23 Speaker 06 Mel is two years younger than Brosnan.
1:17:25 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:17:26 Bill Simmons? Jude Law's three years to like, three years later talented Mr. Ripley. If that had come out in ninety-four, the same way it did and Bond is opening, I think he's in there.
1:17:36 Sean Fennessey? Was he discussed when they went for Craig? I assume he was.
1:17:38 Chris Ryan? He must have been.
1:17:39 Bill Simmons? I think it was too late at that point.
1:17:41 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:17:41 Bill Simmons? Maybe maybe he was discussed. I think Jude Law in the late nineties would have been really good. Um, they said Paul McGinn was the studio second choice if Brosnan couldn't do it. I don't really have a Paul McGinn history.
1:17:53 Sean Fennessey? With Nail and I, I mean, he's in that. He's he's been in a lot of British television. I was reading about him a little bit this morning. Like, he was in Horatio Hornblower, that series it was on.
1:18:01 Bill Simmons? And I don't know, this was in the research, but Billy Zapka, they looked at.
1:18:05 Sean Fennessey? Nice.
1:18:05 Chris Ryan? Yeah, for sure.
1:18:06 Sean Fennessey? Weird.
1:18:06 Bill Simmons? I don't know. I didn't.
1:18:07 Sean Fennessey? Was Joyce Heiser considered as well?
1:18:09 Bill Simmons? I was positive I believe that.
1:18:10 Chris Ryan? For xenia.
1:18:12 Bill Simmons? The Sean Bean character was supposed to be older and Anthony Hopkins and Alan Rickman both turned it down. And then they decided to make him younger. Hopkins was red hot at that point. It's just a different movie. If he's like, basically like his Bond is his mentor, basically.
1:18:28 Chris Ryan? Bardem and Valtz are definitely the most esteemed and Malick are like the most esteemed actors to have ever played Bond adversaries, correct? More or less?
1:18:38 Sean Fennessey? Well, I mean, Robert Shaw.
1:18:40 Chris Ryan? Oh, right.
1:18:41 Sean Fennessey? I mean, Robert Shaw was was the the ur Bond villain. He's amazing.
1:18:45 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:18:46 Sean Fennessey? Um, and that was right.
1:18:50 Sean Fennessey? Different jaws.
1:18:52 Bill Simmons? Paulina Porizkova and Eva Herzegova were offered the role of Natalia and both turned it down.
1:18:59 Sean Fennessey? Paulina Porizkova would have been my choice over Isabella Skrupko.
1:19:02 Bill Simmons? Can she act though?
1:19:03 Sean Fennessey? Can Isabella Skrupko?
1:19:06 Bill Simmons? I kind of liked her. Thought she was delightful.
1:19:09 Sean Fennessey? I read also L. McPherson.
1:19:11 Bill Simmons? Hmm.
1:19:11 Sean Fennessey? I would have I would have.
1:19:13 Chris Ryan? They were just going through the S I. Swimsuit issue.
1:19:15 Sean Fennessey? Literally.
1:19:16 Chris Ryan? Like.
1:19:18 Bill Simmons? Courtney Cox couldn't get this verified. It was on the internets that she allegedly turned down Xenia on a top. Did you have some texts out to find out if this was true? I did not. I didn't pass the stink test to me. Okay. I don't, I just don't see Courtney Cox as Xenia. Or I know it would have infuriated Craig.
1:19:38 Bill Simmons? Courtney Cox, two thumbs up. Xenia Overtop though? No. That's a stretch. Overtop.
1:19:43 Chris Ryan? On a top.
1:19:44 Bill Simmons? Overtop is the Americanization of her name.
1:19:46 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, that was her character from Over the Top. Yeah.
1:19:49 Bill Simmons? How do you feel about John Woo being approached as director and turning it down?
1:19:52 Sean Fennessey? Boy, it's an amazing what if.
1:19:54 Chris Ryan? I mean, he basically gets to do this with Am I Mission Impossible 2?
1:19:58 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, but then you see, you don't get Broken Arrow, which means maybe you don't get Face Off.
1:20:02 Bill Simmons? Do we get Broken Arrow on the rewatchables?
1:20:05 Chris Ryan? Why not?
1:20:05 Sean Fennessey? I love Broken Arrow.
1:20:07 Bill Simmons? Whoa, our girls in that.
1:20:08 Chris Ryan? Samantha Mathis.
1:20:09 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:20:10 Sean Fennessey? Some really good Slater.
1:20:12 Chris Ryan? Samantha Mathis chasing down a stealth bomber. What a great movie.
1:20:15 Bill Simmons? It was also the birth of Travolta just being like, I'm a maniac.
1:20:21 Sean Fennessey? Yes, he's a.
1:20:21 Bill Simmons? He was Nick Cage exposure. He'll hold on everybody for the next five years.
1:20:25 Sean Fennessey? Yes, he is a fruitcake in that movie. He's really going for it.
1:20:28 Bill Simmons? Absolutely amazing. Best that guy. Joe Don Baker and Alan Cumming not eligible, but I think Alan Cumming was the that guy when they made the movie and now he's Alan Cumming.
1:20:35 Chris Ryan? I have been, please forgive me if I'm brutalizing this name, Chekki Cario as the Defense Minister.
1:20:41 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:20:41 Chris Ryan? He's been in tons of stuff.
1:20:43 Sean Fennessey? I was wondering if you guys would raise the name Gottfried John, who's a German actor who plays Urimov, the general.
1:20:50 Bill Simmons? I have him as my winner.
1:20:51 Sean Fennessey? He, he, proof of life.
1:20:54 Bill Simmons? Thought CR was gonna take it. I was giving it to you.
1:20:56 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:20:56 Bill Simmons? He's, shares the prison cell with David Morse.
1:20:58 Chris Ryan? I forgot. That's right.
1:21:00 Bill Simmons? He escapes. He's the French guy.
1:21:02 Sean Fennessey? Very unmistakable face.
1:21:04 Bill Simmons? Yeah. I don't think he was eligible for Bond. Diane Waiters, I think Xenia Overtop's in it too much.
1:21:12 Chris Ryan? I had Robbie Coltrane, Zukowski.
1:21:14 Sean Fennessey? I had Minnie Driver.
1:21:16 Bill Simmons? Oh, that's good.
1:21:16 Chris Ryan? Would you have that if Minnie Driver did not become Minnie Driver?
1:21:19 Sean Fennessey? Probably not, but she's pretty foxy in the movie.
1:21:21 Chris Ryan? Sure.
1:21:22 Sean Fennessey? Terrible singer.
1:21:23 Bill Simmons? Stand by your man.
1:21:26 Bill Simmons? Recasting couch director city. So I just think Joe Don Baker, I love Joe Don Baker. He shouldn't be in the movie because he was a villain in a previous Bond movie. It's fucking stupid.
1:21:35 Sean Fennessey? It's stupid.
1:21:35 Chris Ryan? I don't understand why they did it.
1:21:37 Bill Simmons? Can I offer you Nick Nolte?
1:21:39 Sean Fennessey? Oh, that would have been fun.
1:21:41 Bill Simmons? Like kinda doing Jack Cates?
1:21:42 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:21:43 Bill Simmons? Turn this shit.
1:21:45 Chris Ryan? Wins fucking Oscar for Prince of Tides and like, Nick, what's next?
1:21:48 Bill Simmons? Listen, we're cutting Nick a check. I don't know if Nick put away a lot of his money. Nick, we need you for 20 days.
1:21:55 Sean Fennessey? It's a great call.
1:21:55 Chris Ryan? With Dennis Quaid banging around then?
1:21:57 Sean Fennessey? So that's after.
1:21:58 Bill Simmons? He's not old enough.
1:21:59 Sean Fennessey? It's after Blue Chips.
1:22:00 Chris Ryan? Yeah, I love when I just throw him out. You have an immediate rule why he can't.
1:22:04 Bill Simmons? No, it's gotta be like a late 40s, early 50s with some alcohol.
1:22:07 Chris Ryan? Says who?
1:22:08 Sean Fennessey? Is 96 like, is that I love, or 95, that's I love Trouble, right?
1:22:11 Bill Simmons? Yeah, it's right after another 48 hours, like four years after that.
1:22:14 Chris Ryan? Okay.
1:22:15 Bill Simmons? No?
1:22:16 Chris Ryan? I just think Dennis Quaid's just as good of a suggestion.
1:22:19 Bill Simmons? How about, if he wasn't old enough here though, he's like a leading man.
1:22:22 Sean Fennessey? No, shut up!
1:22:24 Bill Simmons? How about Brian Denny?
1:22:25 Chris Ryan? Yeah, definitely.
1:22:27 Sean Fennessey? That would be good too.
1:22:28 Chris Ryan? Definitely.
1:22:28 Bill Simmons? I was just trying to think of like grizzled, older.
1:22:31 Chris Ryan? What about Dustin Hoffman?
1:22:32 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:22:36 Bill Simmons? Craig has a flex category.
1:22:38 Sean Fennessey? Was Olivier not available?
1:22:41 Speaker 06 Um, I'll defer to you guys on this because I'm sure you've thought about this, but I wanted to build the female sex killer Mount Rushmore.
1:22:46 Chris Ryan? Oh, Jesus Christ.
1:22:47 Speaker 06 Women who kill men during sex.
1:22:49 Bill Simmons? I'm gonna buckle up.
1:22:50 Speaker 06 Xenia on a top.
1:22:51 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:22:52 Speaker 06 Catherine Trammell, Basic Instinct.
1:22:54 Sean Fennessey? Gotta be.
1:22:54 Chris Ryan? Gotta be.
1:22:54 Speaker 06 Syl from Species.
1:22:56 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:22:57 Speaker 06 And the fourth, the fourth, I think this is the one that can be open. You have Amy Dunn from Gone Girl. Is there a better fourth?
1:23:05 Sean Fennessey? She's got that great on the top scene with Doogie Howser.
1:23:07 Speaker 06 Right.
1:23:08 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, that's incredible stuff.
1:23:09 Speaker 06 Is there anyone I'm missing on this Mount Rushmore? Because I think it's a tidy four.
1:23:13 Chris Ryan? Oh, uh, I personally really like, um, Jeremy Irons' girlfriend in Die Hard with a Vengeance with the scythe.
1:23:24 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
1:23:25 Chris Ryan? She's pretty hot.
1:23:26 Bill Simmons? I wish you had prepared me for this.
1:23:27 Speaker 06 I should have texted you.
1:23:29 Bill Simmons? What did the Google say? Did you Google it at all?
1:23:31 Speaker 06 It, it, it looks like it's really these four.
1:23:33 Chris Ryan? Did you Google female killer sex Mount Rushmore?
1:23:36 Speaker 06 And it's, yeah, a little bit.
1:23:38 Bill Simmons? Liz is like, what are you doing?
1:23:40 Sean Fennessey? Nothing.
1:23:42 Bill Simmons? I think that might be the four.
1:23:44 Sean Fennessey? That's very good.
1:23:45 Bill Simmons? It's a really good one.
1:23:46 Sean Fennessey? Mia Goth in the Pearl X movies?
1:23:48 Bill Simmons? Oh, yeah.
1:23:50 Chris Ryan? It's a good, it's a good later period.
1:23:52 Bill Simmons? There's probably some horror stuff we're forgetting.
1:23:54 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:23:54 Bill Simmons? They did, somebody do that in It Follows?
1:23:58 Sean Fennessey? I think it's really more the ghost, the haunting.
1:24:01 Bill Simmons? What about the screen movies? Rebecca Gayheart?
1:24:03 Chris Ryan? Uh, well, I don't want to spoil screen movies, but Mikey Madison's pretty good.
1:24:07 Sean Fennessey? She is. That's a good one.
1:24:09 Chris Ryan? Good one, Craig.
1:24:10 Bill Simmons? Half fast internet research.
1:24:14 Bill Simmons? The opening scene when an admiral is seduced and killed had to be rewritten because the US military was like, no. And they changed it to Canada. Canada just taking shots.
1:24:24 Sean Fennessey? Really funny.
1:24:26 Bill Simmons? Goldeneye was the nickname of Ian Fleming's beachfront house in Jamaica, where he wrote a bunch of Bond novels in the 50s.
1:24:35 Sean Fennessey? But did you also read that it was also the name of a, of a military operation strategy in the event that England was invaded through Spain? Through the Nazis partnership with?
1:24:46 Bill Simmons? Jesus.
1:24:47 Chris Ryan? I didn't know that with Franco?
1:24:48 Sean Fennessey? With Franco and that, that he, Ian Fleming was working as a spy at that time. And so he worked on that strategy. And then he named his estate after that strategy, which was never ultimately deployed. But then some, so I think Michael Franz, who wrote the original version of the screenplay, he must have known that. And put that in because there's all this stuff about what happened in World War Two with the Cossacks and everything. So it feels like a big homage to that.
1:25:14 Bill Simmons? It'd be funny if the actual reason was his first name begins with I and he just was drunk one night. It's like, I will name this place Goldeneye. And that was just how it became.
1:25:25 Bill Simmons? Ninety thousand cans of Perrier water were used in the collision between the tank and the Perrier truck. And every other soda turned it down and soda, water, everything. And Perry is like, sign us up. And it was great for them. How many people do you think he killed in this movie? Sixty?
1:25:40 Sean Fennessey? Seventy-five.
1:25:41 Bill Simmons? Forty-seven. Highest ever for Bond.
1:25:46 Bill Simmons? Apex Mountain, Brosnan? I'm gonna say yes.
1:25:50 Chris Ryan? It's, yeah, probably.
1:25:52 Bill Simmons? It was kinda Brosnan time in 95.
1:25:53 Chris Ryan? Because this is also like such a huge success. It basically revives the franchise, right?
1:25:58 Sean Fennessey? It might be Mamma Mia.
1:26:01 Chris Ryan? Oh, are you just, yeah?
1:26:02 Sean Fennessey? I just saw this for the first time. I did not know how popular these movies were. I have now learned how popular they are. And-
1:26:10 Bill Simmons? Is this in your divorced woman's group?
1:26:12 Sean Fennessey? Um, yeah, well, pretty much. It's called Watching a Movie Amanda Asked Me to Watch. Um, and I enjoyed the movie.
1:26:23 Sean Fennessey? But he's a big part of the movie, like more than I expected. He's like the, the third lead of the movie. And I feel like to a younger generation, he's way more famous for that movie than he is for James Bond.
1:26:35 Bill Simmons? Was he Thomas Crown Affair?
1:26:37 Sean Fennessey? He was.
1:26:38 Bill Simmons? I would argue he might be more famous for that too than GoldenEye.
1:26:42 Chris Ryan? My, like, Loki favorite Brosnan is probably Hot Fuzz.
1:26:45 Sean Fennessey? He's super funny in Hot Fuzz. He was just in Black Back. He was also in Black Back.
1:26:49 Chris Ryan? Yeah, yeah.
1:26:50 Sean Fennessey? Um, he's having a good little stretch.
1:26:51 Bill Simmons? I like Brosnan.
1:26:52 Chris Ryan? And he's in, um, with Taylor Sher- isn't he in a Taylor Sheridan? No, he's in Mobland. It's not Taylor Sheridan, but it feels like it.
1:27:00 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. He's always been good. He was in the first John McTiernan movie, Nomads. He was the lead of, of, before Die Hard, before all those movies.
1:27:08 Bill Simmons? Isabella Skorapko, I'm gonna say yes for Apex Mountain for her.
1:27:11 Chris Ryan? She did appear in a film called Cougar Club several years later.
1:27:14 Sean Fennessey? Did you write and direct that film?
1:27:15 Chris Ryan? I'm waiting for the 4K to arrive.
1:27:17 Bill Simmons? That's gotta be on Tubi. BMW Z3, no question.
1:27:22 Sean Fennessey? It wasn't till you shit on it on this pod.
1:27:25 Bill Simmons? Listen, everyone makes mistakes.
1:27:27 Chris Ryan? Is the song GoldenEye and the performance the anti-Apex of Bond theme songs?
1:27:32 Bill Simmons? Oh, I think it's the worst.
1:27:34 Sean Fennessey? What's the best?
1:27:36 Chris Ryan? Honestly, I, I kinda might go Skyfall.
1:27:38 Sean Fennessey? Diamonds Are Forever is amazing.
1:27:39 Bill Simmons? I mean, Carly Simon.
1:27:42 Chris Ryan? For Your Eyes Only?
1:27:43 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:27:44 Bill Simmons? That was massive.
1:27:46 Sean Fennessey? Goldfinger is also amazing.
1:27:49 Bill Simmons? Famke. I'm probably butchering her name every time I'm doing that. We should be on brand. Famke? Famke Janssen?
1:27:57 Sean Fennessey? X-Men, yeah, Jean Grey.
1:28:00 Bill Simmons? Bond movies? No.
1:28:02 Chris Ryan? No.
1:28:04 Chris Ryan? What would you say Apex Mountain for Bond movies is? Skyfall?
1:28:08 Bill Simmons? I think it's gotta be Connery era. These were like events when they came out.
1:28:11 Sean Fennessey? I think.
1:28:12 Chris Ryan? Skyfall made like a billion dollars.
1:28:14 Sean Fennessey? I think Skyfall's the most financially successful, but maybe not for inflation. That's like Dr. No from Russia with Love, that first Connery era, I think is probably.
1:28:21 Bill Simmons? Yeah, I think that in the sixties, it has to be somewhere in there. Joe Don Baker?
1:28:26 Sean Fennessey? No, walking tall.
1:28:28 Bill Simmons? So I have Mitchell. And he played Mitchell. And then the Mystery Science Theater guys made fun of Mitchell, which was.
1:28:33 Sean Fennessey? Mitchell in the film Mitchell.
1:28:35 Bill Simmons? The best hour and a half of comedy in Comedy Central history was them doing Mitchell. I really loved it. Cause they would always do like these weird forties and fifties movies. And then one time they decided to do Mitchell. And it was fucking awesome.
1:28:48 Sean Fennessey? Had you seen Mitchell before you saw them do that?
1:28:50 Bill Simmons? No. I didn't, all they're doing is just ragging on Joe Don Baker for 90 minutes. And he's like a, like a ladies man, grizzled drunk detective in it. And they're just fucking killing him. It's really funny. It's probably on YouTube. Post-Cold War shit?
1:29:06 Bill Simmons? No.
1:29:06 Chris Ryan? No.
1:29:07 Bill Simmons? Perrier?
1:29:10 Bill Simmons? I think you could say yes. Sparkling Water, Perrier had a bad rap for a while. It's starting to come around.
1:29:15 Chris Ryan? Do you, is Perrier just being completely blown off the face of the earth by all the fancy sparkling waters now?
1:29:21 Bill Simmons? People just call it Sparkling Water now. What's your relationship with Perrier, Craig?
1:29:26 Speaker 06 Never really drank it.
1:29:27 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:29:27 Speaker 06 San Pelle. That's my, that's.
1:29:29 Bill Simmons? Yeah, it's a lot of competitors.
1:29:30 Sean Fennessey? No free ads.
1:29:31 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:29:33 Bill Simmons? By the way, no to any of them. We're happy to sponsor. We'll put you right there. I'll drink from Perrier.
1:29:37 Chris Ryan? No offense to San Pellegrino, but it always strikes me that they are, I find their rewards or their prize money for Top Chef to be pretty cheap. It's like, you get $200,000. It's like, this guy's the best chef in the country. Shouldn't he get like something more than that?
1:29:53 Sean Fennessey? Wow.
1:29:54 Bill Simmons? Alan Cumming? No.
1:29:56 Chris Ryan? No, Traitors.
1:29:56 Sean Fennessey? Traitors, yeah. He's, he's having his moment. You think he's proud of his work as Boris Gorshenko?
1:30:02 Bill Simmons? He's basically test driving his Traitors hosting role as Boris.
1:30:06 Sean Fennessey? Similar energy.
1:30:07 Bill Simmons? Russian accent.
1:30:07 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:30:09 Bill Simmons? By the way, my, one of my goals for 2026 is to get Rachel Lindsay on Traders. I'm just laying the hammer down now.
1:30:15 Sean Fennessey? Can I, can I?
1:30:16 Bill Simmons? She needs to go on Traders. They need to have her and I think she'd be amazing.
1:30:19 Sean Fennessey? I have no problem with that whatsoever, but can I just make a suggestion? I think you should go on Traders.
1:30:25 Bill Simmons? I should go on Traders?
1:30:26 Sean Fennessey? I think you would be incredible on Traders.
1:30:28 Chris Ryan? I just don't know if he could stay.
1:30:29 Bill Simmons? It's like a guilt by association with who's on the show, though.
1:30:32 Sean Fennessey? Kind of, but like you are, you're a strategist.
1:30:35 Chris Ryan? How would you have dealt with Rappaport?
1:30:36 Sean Fennessey? You're vindictive. You love a game.
1:30:37 Chris Ryan? How would you have dealt with Rappaport on Traders?
1:30:40 Bill Simmons? Probably were trying to get him out.
1:30:41 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:30:43 Sean Fennessey? Think about it, just the.
1:30:44 Bill Simmons? Well, Rachel, they have all these like Real Housewives from Beverly Hills types, like get Rachel. She would, she would have been way better than any of them.
1:30:50 Sean Fennessey? She would be great. She'd be a package, the two of you guys.
1:30:53 Speaker 06 We can do our own Traders in Bill's house.
1:30:55 Chris Ryan? That's true. We could do Ringer Traders.
1:30:57 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:30:58 Bill Simmons? It would be hilarious if it was like, Bill's taking a two month sabbatical. For what? What's he doing? He got on season five of Traders. Everything's shutting down.
1:31:08 Sean Fennessey? I was watching it with Eileen and it did occur to me. I was like, I feel like Bill would be good at this.
1:31:11 Chris Ryan? It would be better if you were like, you know what? I'm stepping away for mental health purposes. And then it was like six months later, Bill's on Traders.
1:31:19 Bill Simmons? I have said to Carrie, I was.
1:31:20 Chris Ryan? I'm just, I'm experiencing burnout, you know? I've done too many trade deadlines.
1:31:24 Bill Simmons? Well, cause I remember anything everyone's ever said to me. I would never slip up with the, well, we took him out and then like, you said we, why'd you say we?
1:31:32 Chris Ryan? You would never do that or you would?
1:31:34 Bill Simmons? I would never do that.
1:31:35 Chris Ryan? Interesting.
1:31:35 Bill Simmons? I would just keep a low profile.
1:31:37 Chris Ryan? What did Carrie say?
1:31:38 Bill Simmons? I would never do the thing where it's like, why are we here for, with the, when they have sometimes the three traders are all eating breakfast first? And then the fourth person comes in and it's like, hey, like, why are you three here first? Are you the traders? I just would have immediately been suspicious. Yeah.
1:31:52 Sean Fennessey? Sounds like maybe you want in.
1:31:54 Bill Simmons? Is there a Traders All-Star Edition?
1:31:57 Chris Ryan? Is that what you would want to go on?
1:31:58 Bill Simmons? Maybe they could get me and Rachel.
1:32:00 Bill Simmons? No, the one I couldn't do is Survivor. That's the one I've always wanted to do, but the contact ones is you're just, it's a deal breaker.
1:32:07 Sean Fennessey? No food is increasingly an issue, too. I feel like, just like, it's been four days since I've had one bite of food. That's not, like, I don't, I can't do that these days.
1:32:15 Bill Simmons? I've said this before, but my dream in life was, was always been for my wife to be on Survivor. Because after, if she doesn't eat for about 10 hours, she turns into Hannibal Lecter. And it would just, and she would win, they'd be trying to vote her off, but she would keep winning the challenges. They'd be like, fuck, we can't rid of Carrie. Then she'd be like, just like, the most menacing person on the planet.
1:32:35 Chris Ryan? If Carrie won a reward, like, to go to, like, the Outback Steakhouse Hut, and she was like, none of you are fucking coming.
1:32:40 Bill Simmons? I'm eating all the steak.
1:32:44 Bill Simmons? Cruise or Hanks?
1:32:45 Chris Ryan? Cruise.
1:32:46 Sean Fennessey? Cruise.
1:32:48 Bill Simmons? Cruise, easy win.
1:32:49 Chris Ryan? If you could put another Bond actor in GoldenEye, who would you want?
1:32:56 Sean Fennessey? Another Bond actor?
1:32:58 Chris Ryan? Yeah, like, if you could have Connery Dalton, Lazenby Moore, or Craig in GoldenEye. Because I think GoldenEye, I was gonna say this for Prestige TV.
1:33:07 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:33:08 Chris Ryan? I think it's got remake potential.
1:33:10 Bill Simmons? Oh.
1:33:11 Sean Fennessey? Interesting.
1:33:12 Chris Ryan? I think that between the hacking stuff, you could have, like, some AI stuff. You have the EMP pulse thing, satellite.
1:33:18 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I mean, we briefly mentioned it, but it'll also just Russia being, you know, the villain.
1:33:24 Chris Ryan? And also the Trevithian thing, I think, would be really cool for them to explore.
1:33:27 Sean Fennessey? That's interesting.
1:33:27 Bill Simmons? We need to get one of the internet weirdos to figure out the Cruise or Hanks standings.
1:33:33 Speaker 06 I can do it.
1:33:34 Bill Simmons? No, we just get it. Isn't there, like, a Rewatchables Reddit? Can't one of those people do it? I'll give them a shout out.
1:33:41 Speaker 06 Maybe they will now, but I have them all logged. Just gotta add them up.
1:33:44 Bill Simmons? Who's winning, you think?
1:33:45 Chris Ryan? Cruise, I bet.
1:33:46 Speaker 06 Cruise, yeah. Cruise is up, like, five or six, last time I checked.
1:33:49 Bill Simmons? Oh, really?
1:33:49 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:33:51 Sean Fennessey? You know what that means?
1:33:52 Bill Simmons? Gonna have to start rigging it a little bit? Or we need another Cruise?
1:33:55 Sean Fennessey? That's why you should go on Traitors, because my response was gonna be, that means I won the argument. And that means to you, you need to start cheating.
1:34:02 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:34:02 Chris Ryan? It would be cool if, like, first one to 100, or whatever we're going for, and then it's like, the reward is Cruise or Hanks is on the pod.
1:34:12 Sean Fennessey? Wow.
1:34:13 Bill Simmons? Cruise doing rewatchables would probably break all of our brains.
1:34:16 Sean Fennessey? You know that Hanks can hang. With you, he was so good.
1:34:19 Bill Simmons? We're about to have the new studio that will be able, will be able to do. You think that's what Cruise is waiting for? Yeah. Well, I would never, if we had Cruise, I would never wanna, we'd be like, oh, I can only have Chris or Sean. We can only do three. Like, we'd go four for Cruise.
1:34:33 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:34:33 Bill Simmons? And I don't think any of us would talk the whole time. I think he would have so much energy. Would you make me do Wayne Jenkins in front of Cruise?
1:34:43 Bill Simmons? Hey, man, that's a really good impression. Great job. I'd probably make you do somebody from one of his movies, like Rod Tidwell. Yeah. Oh, God, that would be.
1:34:52 Sean Fennessey? As many black characters as you can do, you should do in front of Tom Cruise.
1:34:56 Bill Simmons? Do Ving Rhames from Mission Impossible 3. Best hang, worst hang? Do you have either for this movie? I have best hang, Money Penny. She had, obviously, just a great, great hang. And then worst hang, Boris. Yeah. Probably reeks of cigarettes.
1:35:09 Sean Fennessey? I can't do better than that.
1:35:10 Bill Simmons? Yeah. They've never really figured out the kind of semi-evil computer hackers in movies. They always have to, like, have these crazy personalities and do a lot of typing and play with pens. They don't really know. Not a good movie, but Olafant in Live Free, Die Hard is probably the coolest hacker.
1:35:26 Sean Fennessey? It's a good one. I enjoy Fisher Stevens in the movie Hackers.
1:35:29 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:35:30 Sean Fennessey? He's pretty good in that.
1:35:31 Bill Simmons? I've been scouting rewatchables movies, including Gone in 60 Seconds, which I watched recently, which is tremendous. Dude, it's awesome. I don't know what Olafant's in a completely different movie than everyone else in the movie. I don't know what he's doing in that movie. I love it. Movie, which is crazy to say. If you're in a different movie than Nick Cage already is. He's all the way over here, like, filming a pilot for FX with his character.
1:35:53 Sean Fennessey? It's a pretty sick era for him, too. It's like, that's right after Go.
1:35:55 Bill Simmons? Yeah. Yeah. We'll be doing that one. That's the point. Picking Nits. Mentioned already, not sure how James gets away from 100 Russian soldiers in the first scene from Close Quarters. It's basically like a room like this, and they all have machine guns. He gets out. Natalia, same thing with the explosion. The tank. I don't know. Can tanks do that? I'm gonna guess no.
1:36:14 Sean Fennessey? I don't think so.
1:36:15 Chris Ryan? Also, like the, I know, like, slow is smooth and smooth is fast, but James Bond gets out of that tank very slowly as the train is approaching. He's kind of like, up here, and now I'm off the tracks and...
1:36:25 Sean Fennessey? You ever been in a tank?
1:36:27 Chris Ryan? Uh, you know what? I think I might have, in like a World War II museum or something.
1:36:33 Sean Fennessey? Was it in Berlin?
1:36:35 Chris Ryan? No, I don't remember where it was. Honestly, it might have been in Croatia. I might have been in a tank.
1:36:40 Sean Fennessey? Interesting.
1:36:41 Chris Ryan? Yeah, just keep it moving.
1:36:42 Bill Simmons? I have Sean Bean, Sean Bean falling to his death, like 100 feet, and up, dying instantly.
1:36:48 Chris Ryan? Not exploding?
1:36:49 Bill Simmons? Ow, he's like, like, he's just dead.
1:36:52 Chris Ryan? That being said...
1:36:53 Bill Simmons? You hit the ground, you're dead.
1:36:54 Chris Ryan? I love long fall paralyzed and then something falls on you.
1:36:59 Sean Fennessey? I thought it was kind of funny that they purposely were like, he survived, whoops.
1:37:03 Bill Simmons? Yeah, he's not surviving. Any else?
1:37:05 Chris Ryan? Uh, Bond and Natalia in the plane over the fake lake where the dishes, they get hit by a missile and crash land into the jungle, and they are just like beautifully knocked out for five minutes, not eviscerated.
1:37:21 Sean Fennessey? Well, I, some questions about that missile. Like, the missile basically acts as though it were like a boomerang. Like, it just like hits it and the plane catches on fire. It's like, it's a missile, it's supposed to explode and blow the plane up.
1:37:32 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:37:34 Sean Fennessey? It's kind of a weak, it's kind of a weak missile. I already mentioned just them not shooting Sean Bean, Sean Bean not shooting Bond in the face when Roshenko is hacking Natalia's code is insane.
1:37:44 Bill Simmons? Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Florist, Doris Burke, or somebody else here?
1:37:49 Chris Ryan? I'm working something out here. I'm thinking about bringing Zane Lowe into the rotation.
1:37:53 Bill Simmons? For Bond?
1:37:54 Chris Ryan? We've been scouting him for a while, scouting him ever since his Harry Styles interview. And, uh, just imagining him being like, James, you're back. And we couldn't even call it espionage because it's a journey. It's a journey about who you want to be as a spy. Golden eye looking down on us, but we're looking over at you. What do you have for us next? In this great piece of art that we call spoiling.
1:38:21 Chris Ryan? I don't know if it's good yet. We're just, we're, we're...
1:38:24 Sean Fennessey? That was out of control. I loved that. That was elite.
1:38:27 Chris Ryan? I also love that when he's interviewing people, he's just like,
1:38:31 Chris Ryan? Sean, who you are, who you've become, but where you come from, talk about it.
1:38:41 Chris Ryan? I fucked the mic up.
1:38:44 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, don't ever look me in the eye like that again, please. That's probably why he gets such good stuff, you know?
1:38:49 Bill Simmons? Zayn's my friend, which made me love that more.
1:38:51 Chris Ryan? Juliette and I still have, I still have an MP3 on my phone that Juliette recorded.
1:38:56 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:38:56 Chris Ryan? Of when Hello by Adele came out and he just goes, the return of the artist.
1:39:07 Sean Fennessey? That was incredible. That was in Grantland days. I remember that well.
1:39:10 Bill Simmons? That was my number one moment all time of I wish CR was here. Since I've known CR since 2010. Zayn rented a house in Malibu for one week and it was the house that was Neil's house in heat.
1:39:25 Bill Simmons? And I walked in and I'm like, what's going on with this hat? Like I just had the feeling. No, yeah, it had furniture.
1:39:31 Chris Ryan? Okay.
1:39:32 Bill Simmons? But it was Zayn Lo, who you would have loved, but then we were in the Neil, Neil house. And I was like, if CR was here, I feel like he would have a stroke.
1:39:41 Sean Fennessey? I'm recovering from Zayn Lo.
1:39:44 Bill Simmons? That was great. Good addition. Fergie the florist and Zayn Lo.
1:39:47 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:39:47 Bill Simmons? People said you couldn't top Wayne Jenkins.
1:39:49 Chris Ryan? We're slowly moving some new guys in. It's gonna, it's gonna revitalize this pod.
1:39:54 Bill Simmons? Just one Oscar who gets it. I don't know.
1:39:58 Chris Ryan? Uh, Martin Campbell?
1:39:59 Bill Simmons? Martin Campbell.
1:39:59 Chris Ryan? Sure, best director.
1:40:00 Sean Fennessey? I think.
1:40:01 Bill Simmons? Special effects?
1:40:03 Sean Fennessey? The stunt guy who did the bungee jump.
1:40:05 Bill Simmons? Stunt, stunt. Probably an answerable questions. I have two, but if you guys have any, come on in.
1:40:12 Chris Ryan? Uh, how does James Bond break up with women in between movies?
1:40:17 Chris Ryan? You know, you get to the end, Natalia, him, like they've gone through several globetrotting adventures together.
1:40:23 Bill Simmons? I think he gets bored after a couple of months, right?
1:40:25 Speaker 06 I don't think he breaks up with them. He definitely ghosts them. He just kind of stops responding.
1:40:28 Chris Ryan? It's like, oh yeah, it's like, sorry babe, it's espionage.
1:40:31 Sean Fennessey? This one did have me thinking of James Bond as gay though, for real. Cause like he won't commit, he's got incredible chemistry with all these guys. Jack Wade shows up and they're like bosom buddies right away.
1:40:41 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:40:41 Sean Fennessey? Obviously he and Sean Bean, they spent a lot of time together, right?
1:40:44 Bill Simmons? Well, what was the Daniel Craig one where they were like? There's some subs text in this entire movie.
1:40:50 Sean Fennessey? It's kind of in every movie.
1:40:51 Chris Ryan? It's Bardem, it's Skyfall.
1:40:52 Sean Fennessey? Yes, and Bardem is playing that very like.
1:40:54 Chris Ryan? They're basically like opening his shirt and he's just like, let's go.
1:40:57 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Uh, you know, kind of the origins of that a little bit. Why can't you just get, lock it down, you know, commit?
1:41:05 Bill Simmons? I have two. Could you actually kill somebody by squeezing your legs around them? If you're a six foot Dutch model slash Russian assassin?
1:41:13 Chris Ryan? Let's find out.
1:41:15 Bill Simmons? Just trying to think, like, how would this really go?
1:41:18 Chris Ryan? Honestly, I would like to find out. I don't think I would enjoy that.
1:41:20 Bill Simmons? So your ribs would have to cave?
1:41:22 Sean Fennessey? Being squeezed in that way?
1:41:23 Chris Ryan? Even if, like, the prospect of having sex with Zena-
1:41:25 Bill Simmons? Actually, what am I doing? We have crack here. This is why you're here. This is, you've definitely thought about this.
1:41:30 Sean Fennessey? Sure.
1:41:31 Bill Simmons? Crush the ribs in?
1:41:32 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:41:33 Bill Simmons? You'd have to, like, split a kidney or a liver at that point?
1:41:36 Sean Fennessey? Internal bleeding?
1:41:36 Bill Simmons? One of the ribs would have to split something.
1:41:37 Sean Fennessey? Probably internal bleeding from the, all the broken ribs.
1:41:39 Chris Ryan? Oh, I thought it was just, like, suffocating him.
1:41:41 Sean Fennessey? No, I think it's broken ribs.
1:41:42 Bill Simmons? Broken ribs splicing an organ, I think, would be how it went.
1:41:45 Sean Fennessey? Would you like it if she sat on your face?
1:41:48 Chris Ryan? What?
1:41:52 Bill Simmons? Uh, here's my other one. Joe Don Baker. So if he's just Joe Baker?
1:41:56 Chris Ryan? Uh huh.
1:41:57 Bill Simmons? It's fine. Joe Don Baker now becomes like one of the coolest names you could have in a movie. So why don't other people just put, like, could Chris be Chris Don Ryan?
1:42:07 Sean Fennessey? Some of your best work. I'm floored.
1:42:09 Bill Simmons? Sean Don Fantasy and Chris Don Ryan.
1:42:10 Chris Ryan? Sean Don Fantasy?
1:42:12 Bill Simmons? Craig Don Horlebeck. I could be Bill Don Simmons.
1:42:15 Sean Fennessey? I'm ecstatic right now.
1:42:17 Bill Simmons? Throw Don's in anything.
1:42:19 Chris Ryan? Sean Dalton Fantasy and Chris Don Ryan? Yeah.
1:42:22 Bill Simmons? Chris Don Ryan's here. It's just for something about the Don just makes it move really nicely.
1:42:27 Sean Fennessey? I think I will legally change my name now. That is undeniable.
1:42:31 Chris Ryan? I would, I would have a kid just to name him, like, C.D. Chris Don.
1:42:36 Bill Simmons? And did his pa- was he Joseph Donald Baker?
1:42:39 Chris Ryan? I'm sure.
1:42:39 Bill Simmons? And he just became Joe Don? Or were his parents like, you're Joe Don Baker?
1:42:42 Sean Fennessey? I don't know, but I-
1:42:43 Chris Ryan? Let's find out.
1:42:44 Sean Fennessey? It seems possible that there's a SAG card issue there where there was already a Joe Baker in SAG.
1:42:48 Chris Ryan? Wikipedia just has him as Joe Don Baker.
1:42:50 Sean Fennessey? That's it. That's just his whole name.
1:42:52 Bill Simmons? I think it was like a southern, like, this is just your name.
1:42:54 Sean Fennessey? Joe Don.
1:42:54 Bill Simmons? It's like Billy Joe. Joe Don.
1:42:56 Chris Ryan? That's it. Grobsbeck, Texas.
1:42:58 Bill Simmons? Chris Don Ryan.
1:42:59 Chris Ryan? His mother's name was Edna McDonald. So perhaps Don from there?
1:43:03 Bill Simmons? Mm, oh, yeah.
1:43:04 Sean Fennessey? Could see that.
1:43:04 Chris Ryan? Yeah, yeah.
1:43:05 Bill Simmons? Joe Don Baker. What a name. It's like, cause the other one who is kind of like the discount Joe Don Baker was Wings Hauser?
1:43:13 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:43:13 Bill Simmons? And Wings Hauser, another great name.
1:43:15 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Was that his real first name?
1:43:17 Bill Simmons? That, does it matter?
1:43:18 Sean Fennessey? No. Wings Hauser was elite.
1:43:19 Bill Simmons? Wings Hauser, Cole Hauser's dad? Yeah.
1:43:23 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, yes.
1:43:23 Bill Simmons? Yes.
1:43:25 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:43:25 Chris Ryan? I guess I never thought about it.
1:43:26 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:43:26 Chris Ryan? God damn.
1:43:27 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:43:28 Chris Ryan? That's Rip's dad?
1:43:29 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:43:30 Chris Ryan? God damn it.
1:43:30 Sean Fennessey? What's going on with Cole Hauser's character in that world?
1:43:33 Chris Ryan? Uh, he is on the not The Madison, which is the Michelle Pfeiffer Kurt Russell spinoff.
1:43:39 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:43:39 Chris Ryan? It's another spinoff.
1:43:40 Bill Simmons? Did that start yet? He's not on Madison?
1:43:42 Chris Ryan? No, I don't think so.
1:43:43 Sean Fennessey? Did The Madison start yet?
1:43:44 Chris Ryan? No, it starts in March. But it's supposed to be like, kind of like a romance, like a sentimental.
1:43:49 Bill Simmons? Get ready for some sad staring out into the sun sunset and some fly fishing feels like. I I'm excited.
1:43:55 Sean Fennessey? How do you feel about your never was Michelle Pfeiffer getting involved in the Sheridan verse?
1:44:01 Bill Simmons? It's it was tough. When she made that weird Amazon movie, I was like, we need Sheridan to bring this back.
1:44:05 Chris Ryan? It's just always strange when somebody is not on stuff for a while and then they have two shows at the same time. So she's gonna have an Apple show and a Paramount show at the same time, pretty much.
1:44:13 Sean Fennessey? Oh.
1:44:14 Bill Simmons? My dad was upset about Landman.
1:44:16 Chris Ryan? Why?
1:44:17 Bill Simmons? He thought it was a four episodes stretched into ten. Once once Sheridan really doubled down on season three.
1:44:23 Chris Ryan? I agree with your father.
1:44:24 Bill Simmons? By the way, Sheridan, some of the stuff that came out, Sheridan's like, yeah, we're we're taking the we're taking Corners back next season.
1:44:33 Chris Ryan? What do you, how do you know that?
1:44:33 Sean Fennessey? Corners back from whom?
1:44:34 Bill Simmons? I read an article.
1:44:35 Chris Ryan? Oh, and he was like, I see you guys out here doubting Landman.
1:44:38 Bill Simmons? He's getting more involved in season three, yeah.
1:44:40 Chris Ryan? Didn't he write every episode of season two?
1:44:41 Sean Fennessey? Who was making season two?
1:44:42 Bill Simmons? Did he? Did he?
1:44:44 Chris Ryan? Wow. Bill's breaking news.
1:44:46 Sean Fennessey? But doesn't he?
1:44:47 Bill Simmons? Did he write season three or season two?
1:44:50 Sean Fennessey? But doesn't he like control the entire wor- like that whole world?
1:44:54 Bill Simmons? Does he?
1:44:55 Chris Ryan? Who does?
1:44:55 Bill Simmons? He's doing six shows at the same time.
1:44:58 Sean Fennessey? Who are you defending?
1:45:00 Chris Ryan? Taylor Sheridan.
1:45:01 Bill Simmons? I think Taylor Sheridan's taking back his Corners next year. I think they know that was a weak season two.
1:45:05 Sean Fennessey? Got it, okay.
1:45:05 Chris Ryan? Okay, I think that the the other side of that argument is that it it might be a little bit of a twilight for those shows because he's going to Universal in a couple of years and he's not gonna be wasting good ideas and good energy on them.
1:45:17 Sean Fennessey? I've seen one episode.
1:45:17 Bill Simmons? I think he's more of a professional than that.
1:45:19 Chris Ryan? Okay, great.
1:45:20 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:45:20 Chris Ryan? That's right.
1:45:20 Sean Fennessey? You think he will not mail it in?
1:45:22 Bill Simmons? No. No.
1:45:24 Chris Ryan? Good.
1:45:24 Bill Simmons? Plus, he's on the limitless drug. He can't mail it in. He's just creating shit left and right.
1:45:30 Sean Fennessey? Number sixteen. Um, do you think he uses ChatGPT?
1:45:40 Bill Simmons? I don't know. I would, that feels like a negative thing to say like, yes, I do. My question is, do all screenwriters kind of dabble?
1:45:48 Chris Ryan? It's a tool.
1:45:49 Bill Simmons? Do screenwriters dabble in it?
1:45:50 Chris Ryan? I'm not gonna tell Shakespeare he can't use a typewriter.
1:45:52 Sean Fennessey? This is great, because you were like, there's way too much workplace sexual harassment stuff in GoldenEye, but I will not speak on whether or not Taylor Sheridan uses.
1:46:00 Bill Simmons? I just don't know. I don't know the process of screenwriting and like whether that stuff is helpful or it messes you up.
1:46:08 Sean Fennessey? I think people say that it is helpful. He's cranking out a lot of material.
1:46:12 Chris Ryan? It's true.
1:46:13 Bill Simmons? That's why I said the limitless drug.
1:46:15 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:46:17 Bill Simmons? What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie CR?
1:46:19 Chris Ryan? I would like a functional, mint-conditioned Nintendo 64 and a mint-conditioned version of GoldenEye 07.
1:46:27 Bill Simmons? Wow, incredible. That's gotta be like a $5,000 thing.
1:46:29 Chris Ryan? I still have my N64. Can I come over? Yeah. Okay.
1:46:32 Sean Fennessey? You wanna go back to being an unmarried layabout in a New York City apartment?
1:46:36 Chris Ryan? Yes.
1:46:38 Bill Simmons? Listening to Wu-Tang Clan.
1:46:39 Chris Ryan? Listening to the iron flag.
1:46:43 Bill Simmons? I didn't have an answer for this. I don't know if I'd want any memorabilia from this movie.
1:46:46 Sean Fennessey? Aston Martin's pretty cool.
1:46:47 Bill Simmons? But that's weird.
1:46:48 Chris Ryan? We don't do cars.
1:46:49 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:46:49 Chris Ryan? The pen?
1:46:50 Bill Simmons? Oh, the pen's good.
1:46:51 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, Boris's pen, yeah.
1:46:53 Bill Simmons? Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi Award for Best Life Lesson. I will either offer you, "Half of everything is luck, James." Thought that was solid. Governments change, the lies stay the same.
1:47:04 Chris Ryan? There you go.
1:47:05 Bill Simmons? Bingo.
1:47:05 Sean Fennessey? Wow.
1:47:07 Bill Simmons? Bingo.
1:47:08 Sean Fennessey? What's aged the best?
1:47:09 Bill Simmons? Best double feature choice?
1:47:11 Sean Fennessey? Oh, I had a couple. I did, I did, I did include Moonraker. Because I think like Bond stretching for the limits is a theme of this movie. I also had Lawnmower Man for an early look at Pierce Brosnan. That also includes kind of hacking virtual worlds. Kind of not, that's some movies not really thought of as a Pierce Brosnan movie, but it is.
1:47:33 Bill Simmons? Well, we're trying to do Netflix movies that they, that they have to try to team them up with rewatchables and Moonraker.
1:47:41 Bill Simmons? I wouldn't do it like in the next two months, but Moonraker is one that I've. It would be a really funny like dead, dead week. Like this is just hilarious. That movie's hilarious. I can't believe that movie happened.
1:47:50 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, it's really funny.
1:47:51 Bill Simmons? You mentioned in a previous episode about this like overreaction to Star Wars where people kind of lost their minds for two years. And that's how Moonraker, they basically did James Bond in outer space. It's fucking nuts. I can't believe it happened.
1:48:03 Sean Fennessey? It's entertaining though.
1:48:04 Bill Simmons? It is entertaining. It's good, but it's also crazy and stupid. What if we just did fucking Bond movies for like the rest of the year? I don't know. I could, we definitely could have done a month. Yeah. We could have, if we, if I did this over again, I might even think like we could have done Goldfinger. We could have won for me, Jared. Mm hmm. But.
1:48:23 Sean Fennessey? I think that's the best way to do it. I think once you start getting into like the third Roger Moore movie, it's very redundant. Like it gets very samey.
1:48:29 Bill Simmons? Yeah. Roger Moore, TV actor.
1:48:31 Sean Fennessey? Wow. Shots fired.
1:48:33 Bill Simmons? He's, he, he has not held up, I don't think, as well as some of the other Bonds.
1:48:37 Sean Fennessey? That's the, that's the famous, uh, famous Sean Penn diss on Michael J. Fox. You know that story? When he's about to do that scene, casualties of war, and he gets up right next to his ear and he goes, TV actor. And then he walks away from it.
1:48:51 Bill Simmons? Say, come on, man. I'm trying to do Michael J. Fox. I can't do it. Not bad. Uh, who won the movie? Uh, Pierce Brosnan.
1:48:57 Sean Fennessey? Agreed.
1:48:59 Bill Simmons? I think so too. I think you could argue the Bond franchise because it re, re, reinvigorated too.
1:49:05 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I could see that.
1:49:06 Bill Simmons? All right, Craig. Goldeneye.
1:49:08 Speaker 06 Had never seen it. I've only seen the Daniel Craig Bond movies. Really liked those. I thought this was better and worse than I expected.
1:49:15 Sean Fennessey? How so?
1:49:16 Speaker 06 It was worse in that it was, it's, it's, it was odd going from seeing the Austin Powers movies, which they are parodying. It was weird going from the parody to what they were parodying in order of watching them.
1:49:28 Bill Simmons? Oh, yeah.
1:49:28 Speaker 06 So it was kind of odd how silly and whimsical this movie was. I kind of was too colored by the Daniel Craig Bonds, which are way darker and more serious. Didn't really realize Bond was so whimsical. Like when they're down with Q and the guy's like in the phone booth and like the airbag goes off and he's like stuck, you know, the guy in the background. Things like that. It was just way sillier and seeing Austin Powers do it. I don't know if it kind of hurt or affected the way I interpreted this movie. And yet. Just like so fun, old school, like movie escapism. This is what you go to the movies for. Hot people sprawling, going to countries, fancy cities. You're in casinos. Like, it's super fun. I think the, I thought the first 12 minutes, I, I watched the first 12 minutes. The Tina Turner song plays. I paused it. I went into the other, I went into the bedroom.
1:50:13 Speaker 06 I was like, Liz, you gotta watch this movie with me. I think you'll like it. She came out, I restarted it. We rewatched the first 12 minutes and then we watched the movie and it's super fun. But yeah, it's weird. The Austin Powers stuff, you're like, oh, this is incredibly ridiculous.
1:50:25 Chris Ryan? It must be hard. Yeah.
1:50:26 Bill Simmons? One other thing with Bond movies, great date movie.
1:50:29 Speaker 06 Yeah, they're so fun.
1:50:30 Bill Simmons? Yeah, like an old school. I don't know if you born identity is as much of like a date movie is. Well, that's more of a solo excursion for you.
1:50:36 Chris Ryan? Yeah.
1:50:37 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:50:37 Chris Ryan? That's, that's planned Golden Eye by myself.
1:50:39 Bill Simmons? Yeah, hand down your pants. Yeah. That's it for the Golden Eye rewatch.
1:50:43 Chris Ryan? Thanks for having us.
1:50:44 Bill Simmons? CR, thank you. Thank you. Fancy, thank you. Craig and Gao, thank you. And we'll be back next week.
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