Ed Martin on Dan Bongino vs. DOJ, and Republicans in Congress Secretly Plotting Against Trump

Ed Martin was on his way to cleaning up Washington as the new U. S. Attorney, until Senate Republicans decided he was too sincere and killed his nomination. (00:00) Ed Martin’s Response to the Crazed Leftist Who Spit in His Face (07:21) Why Would Republican Senator Thom Tillis Want to Destroy Martin? (09:33) Tillis’s Mission to Lock Up January 6th Protestors (18:14) The DOJ Is a Much Bigger Mess Than People Realize (35:12) Crime and Homelessness in DC (45:26) DC’s Absurd Gun Control Policy Paid partnerships with: Hillsdale College: Take a free online course today at https://TuckerforHillsdale.com Eight Sleep: Get $350 off the new Pod 5 Ultra at https://EightSleep.com/Tucker iTrust Capital: Get $100 funding bonus at https://www.iTrustCapital.com/Tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Welcome to the 50th Hunger Games.

• 0:01Speaker 01

  Witness the beginning of the revolution.

• 0:04Speaker 00

  Hey Mitch, you've been trying to take down these games from the start.

• 0:07Speaker 01

  Film for IMAX.

• 0:08Speaker 00

  Make them remember you.

• 0:11Speaker 01

  The Hunger Games: Sunrise on the Reaping, November 20th, rated PG-13.

• 0:15Speaker 02

  This woman came up to me screeching in a way, I mean, she can't know me, she didn't know me, I never met her, screeching, screeching, screeching, swearing, and then spitting.

• 0:23Tucker Carlson?

  That suggests that your mere physical presence evokes an emotional response. DOJ is a bigger mess even than some conspiracy minded people on the outside like me imagine.

• 0:34Speaker 02

  There's some people that say, what's Dan doing, Bunz? You know, he's going hammer and tongs at this stuff right here. The scope is bigger and it is therefore much, much worse than people think.

• 0:43Tucker Carlson?

  Why would Tom Tillis be the instrument of your destruction?

• 0:46Speaker 02

  He railed on J6. He said, how could you represent J6 people? How could, how stupid do people have to be to go into the Capitol and blah, blah, blah?

• 0:55Tucker Carlson?

  The Republican Party tells you they're one thing, but they're actually another thing.

• 0:58Speaker 02

  Right now it's Trump's party. It's just that some of the elites don't want to let go, right?

• 1:02Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. You want your kid to go to Georgetown? Oh, he goes to Georgetown. It's way more than that. People just have no idea. The CIA small arms training facility was on their campus. It's an arm of the deepest of the deep, Steve. Way worse than Harvard, actually, I think.

• 1:35Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you for doing this. So, I'm laughing. I saw a very angry young woman spit in your face on camera two days ago. That suggests that your mere physical presence evokes an emotional response.

• 1:54Tucker Carlson?

  Why? DC is in trouble. I'm from there. I can, I can vouch for that. Uh, you're gonna fix it. What exactly do you think from your perspective was the resistance to you?

• 2:06Speaker 02

  Well, first I'd like to point out Tucker, because I've been accused of having a signature piece of clothing now, like in the old days, the bow tie, you know, the jacket that I wear, the sort of raincoat. The New York Times called it my signature. It was very effective because the spit went on the raincoat and it was able to be cleaned up.

• 2:22Tucker Carlson?

  It's very old school Watergate, by the way.

• 2:24Speaker 02

  Colombo. I'm going Colombo, not as my kid said, Inspector Gadget. I thought that was degrading and I've indicted all three of the four of them now. Uh, all right. So, look, I did the job. The President Trump gave me this incredible privilege. Usually a US Attorney is nominated and then they get confirmed and then they come into office, right? So it's usually like October and you finally get somebody in office and that whole time you have the Sally Yates problem. Remember Sally Yates who was acting? You have some acting person that's either undermining you or is not totally into the job.

• 2:57Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 2:57Speaker 02

  Okay. So I said to the President a while ago, if you want me to do this job, can I have it on day one? And he agreed and he put me on day one. And so day one, we started swinging right away at all the things that we needed to swing at, right? We, first of all, day one, we had the pardons, 1600 pardons. Day two or three, we had two pardons of cops. Day three or four, we had all the face act pardons. It was a busy first week, but more importantly, as we were talking about, affair, I started swinging. We started actually going for it. We said, okay, we're gonna, we're weaponization, you know, Chuck Schumer's a bully. And we went at this fight, uh, hammer and tongs and everybody noticed. Everybody noticed. Chuck Schumer noticed. Dick Durbin starts firing off letters of complaint, all kinds of things. And that's how you're supposed to do the job. I wish it was

• 3:42Tucker Carlson?

  Consistent with the President's mandate since he was just elected by the majority of voters.

• 3:46Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 3:47Tucker Carlson?

  Right. It's called democracy.

• 3:48Speaker 02

  It's called democracy. And he actually put some, you know, he put, he signed orders. He signed what he gave us the direction he wanted us to do. Executive orders said, stop the weaponization, go look at this. And then, by the way, Attorney General Bondi got in. She gave us an even more specific list, right? So, but more importantly, Tucker, if it was 100 years ago, maybe, you could just be genteel and prosecute the cases as they came along, right? You could sit around and say sooner or later it'll all work out. It's not 100 years ago. And the fight right now is a fight over everything from information to accountability to healing, right? So that's the fight. And US Attorney is on the front lines in Washington DC when they're going after Elon Musk or Judge Boesberg.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  They went after both, and I gave both of them a letter that said, hey, I got your back. If you even threaten these people in a way that goes over the line, we're gonna indict you.

• 4:42Tucker Carlson?

  You're talking about the mob threatening with physical violence?

• 4:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, they mobbed, the mob threatened Elon and the Doge guys, the mob threatened my prosecutors, the mob threatened Boesberg. And I said, any of these things, we're gonna put a stop to it. But what happens is, I've not been able to try this out, and I'll try to see if you like it. The Schumer smear, Schumer was so mad that I got into office and I said, hold on a second, you're not allowed to say the whirlwind is coming for Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, and then a month later Kavanaugh's got a guy with zip ties and a gun? Remember this, this is this is?

• 5:10Tucker Carlson?

  Very well.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  And so I said, hold on, the statute of limitations is coming, five years, I'm gonna investigate this, and I'm gonna ask Chuck Schumer, what did you mean? You cannot mean that you're allowed to stand and threaten justices, right? And so I put that out. He refused to answer. He said it's offensive, all that stuff. And then he went on, you know, a jihad inside the Senate. He got opposition research, and he went member to member and said, this guy Martin, you can't vote for him, this guy Martin, you can't. And so it's the Schumer smear. Then they called me names in the Washington Post. You know, the Washington Post's bid something they've never done before, Tucker. Underneath the line Spencer Hsu, he put a thing that said, if you have any tips on Martin, send them to us. They've never done this before. It's like, we wanna get Martin, send us the tips.

• 5:55Speaker 02

  I sent a letter to Bezos, I said, hey, I'm not sure this is how the newspaper's supposed to run. He hasn't responded yet. But my point is, President Trump said, fight for the future of the country, and that fight can't be trapped in the... Article three gentility of 100 years ago. It's the fight we got right now, and that's what we're doing. So I think they hated me and this woman came up to me screeching in a way. I mean, she can't know me. She didn't know me. I never met her. Screeching, screeching, screeching, swearing, and then spitting. You know, I don't know. I just.

• 6:26Tucker Carlson?

  Who was she? What happened to her?

• 6:28Speaker 02

  Well, they've identified her and I guess they've, they've, I don't know if they've picked her up yet, but they know exactly who it is and all that. And so as you might imagine, I'm not involved in the case because, you know, I'm the victim in this case. So it's got to be processed. But I think that, you know, Marshals and FBI were right on it and they've, they've got it figured out.

• 6:44Tucker Carlson?

  So you think the genesis of the opposition was your request to Chuck Schumer that he answer questions about encouraging violence against a Supreme Court justice?

• 6:52Speaker 02

  Well, I think that I, the role I am played was, is epitomized by that. Right? Public and willing to fight for the right things. And Schumer certainly took it, took it to heart and, and made a big deal out of it. And then they just made me into somebody who's, the Washington Post had me on the front page of A1 or B1 every day for three or four weeks. Like that, wild, a US attorney. Dick Durbin sent me 561 questions. District court judges don't get that many. You know, no US attorney's ever gotten that many. Question after question accusing me of this and that and the other thing. So they obviously knew they didn't like something about what I was doing. And the public picks up on it, right?

• 7:33Tucker Carlson?

  And they worried what you would do.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  Well, that's, I think that's fair.

• 7:36Tucker Carlson?

  So, um, the US attorney needs Senate confirmation?

• 7:40Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 7:42Tucker Carlson?

  Democrats control the Senate by a huge margin. Is that correct?

• 7:45Speaker 02

  Something like that, yeah.

• 7:46Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, no, that's, that's not true.

• 7:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, no, that's, that's not quite true. No, look, I would have won on the floor, but the Judiciary Committee, Tillis, Tillis, Tom Tillis decided to block it in the Judiciary Committee.

• 7:56Tucker Carlson?

  Democrat from California?

• 7:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, something like that.

• 7:58Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, no, Republican from North Carolina.

• 8:00Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 8:01Tucker Carlson?

  So why would Tom Tillis? Um, who was elected in maybe 2012, 14, something like that ish. Um, but a lot of money spent on that campaign, a lot of Republicans mobilized and get that guy elected in a swing state even then. And, you know, a lot of hope residing in Tom Tillis. Why would Tom Tillis be the instrument of your destruction?

• 8:24Speaker 02

  Well, look, I think, um, you know, I gotta say, ah, the Senate's got a process, respect the process, all that stuff, right? So check the box. I did that with you. So, um, I met with the guy for 90 minutes, you know, for, by the way, for about a decade, I've done work when Phyllis Schlafly, the late Phyllis Schlafly, whom I worked, one of the things she cared a lot about was patents and protecting individual patent holders and inventors. So for years, we've had patent events. One of the participants in the patent events is Tom Tillis all the time because he's good on that issue and we would work with him. So not a stranger in terms of policy stuff to me. So when I met with him, 90 minutes, he, he railed on J six.

• 9:04Speaker 02

  He said, how could you represent J six people? How can, how stupid do people have to be to go into the Capitol and blah, blah, blah? And I said, sir, you know, look, I've looked at this closely. I, it feels like you're not quite paying attention to what happened, right? And, and

• 9:17Tucker Carlson?

  That's correct.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. And look, here's the thing, you know, Tucker, this is, this is what I mean by this is the fight we're in. Um, this fight for the future of our country. Millions of Americans are, fall victim to the hoaxes, one after another. Yes. And if you fall victim to the J six hoax, that it was an insurrection armed and this close to the end, then you might act like Tom Tillis and you might rant and rave and say things like that. And that's what he did. Uh, but if you're, I think if you're not under the spell of the hoax, you say, oh, wait a second. Uh, lots of people were waved into the Capitol and, and maybe you could charge them with trespass, but you can't throw them in jail for three years, four years, three and a half years, right? Because of, and then the Supreme Court, bipartisan Supreme Court throws out the charge that was used.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  It's called the 1512 charge. When I got in my office as US Attorney, I said, first week, we're going to look at the 1512. Who charged it? And of course it was charged by Merrick Garland and Lisa Monaco right across. It wasn't, it wasn't the guy in my chair. He was an empty suit there to just, you know, carry water as they went in.

• 10:16Tucker Carlson?

  Right DOJ directly.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  All the way, right up, right up, of course. I mean, look, 1512 is an Andrew Weisman creation, right? This was Andrew Weisman advocated for 1512 charge.

• 10:27Tucker Carlson?

  Who's Andrew Weisman?

• 10:27Speaker 02

  In the Mueller investigation and the Mueller investig- Andrew Weisman's one of these lawyers who is at NYU right now. He goes in and out of government and he's basically at the center. There's about six or seven of these people that are at the center of coordinating the weaponization of government against the people right now.

• 10:43Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Every time you turn around, you know, I love, I'll give it to you. The guy that was the prosecutor in Kosovo before Jack Smith, you know, a special prosecutor, forget his name right now. He, he left so Jack Smith could come in. Where'd he go? One guess, NYU to Andrew Weisman's shop.

• 10:57Tucker Carlson?

  Perfect.

• 10:58Speaker 02

  So when you watch Andrew Weisman's at Mueller, he says in Mueller, we need 1512. We can charge Trump in the Mueller, watch this, we can use 1512. We're making it up, but we can get away with it if we build it out this way and just get everybody to go along. He fails at that, Mueller, you know, Barr says and Jeff Jensen, no Barr says you can't do that, right? You can't do, we're not going to do that, shuts it down. And then along comes Andrew Weisman, Lisa Monaco, all these same people. They say, charge the 1512. Tucker, the 1512 charge, right? Your viewers may not track it well enough, but 1512 was an addition to the law about 20 years ago after Enron. Because Arthur Andersen,

• 11:38Speaker 02

  the accounting firm, was destroying documents. Enron was the target of the investigation. Arthur Andersen was destroying documents, wasn't the target. And there was no law to say, if you knew there was an investigation, you shouldn't destroy documents. So they passed this law, okay, 1512. It said, if you know there's an official proceeding, you're not allowed to destroy documents. Okay?

• 11:58Tucker Carlson?

  Right, there.

• 11:59Speaker 02

  You got it? Yeah. Okay, that's it. All these years later, Weisman is saying, we'll, we'll use, you know, obstruction of official proceeding. We'll expand official proceeding. We'll call it, oh yeah, we'll call it the Electoral College count and we'll go after everybody. But first, before we go for Trump, let's drag a couple of hundred people into jail. We'll make them plead guilty. We'll try them with a bad jury. We'll make the judges roll along. And we'll make sure we put them in one after another. We'll say, see, 1512, it's a good charge. Judges went for it. Everybody went for it. And then we'll get Trump. And one judge said no. Then it went up to the Supreme Court and the bipartisan Supreme Court said, hell, no, and threw it all out. So we watched American citizens rotting in

• 12:40Speaker 02

  jail for years for walking through the Capitol and 1512. And that's why

• 12:45Tucker Carlson?

  And Tillis is okay with that.

• 12:46Speaker 02

  And Tillis is, well, Tillis is saying, oh, my gosh, he said, anyone who's dumb enough to go into the Capitol should be charged with everything on the sun. I said, well, if a cop opens the door and you walk in and you walk out, you're going to charge him? And anyway, so

• 13:00Tucker Carlson?

  What did he say when you asked?

• 13:01Speaker 02

  Well, he said, you know, you don't

• 13:02Tucker Carlson?

  Because that's about what I, that's almost what I was about to say.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:05Tucker Carlson?

  That we now have videotaped Jake Chansley, for example, a QAnon Shaman led into the Senate chamber by a cop.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:10Tucker Carlson?

  Wanders around and then leaves and then goes to prison.

• 13:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:14Tucker Carlson?

  I don't understand, and I want to be charitable to Tom Tillis, who is obviously very liberal, and there are things about him I don't like, but I want to be fair. But I don't understand how he couldn't know that.

• 13:24Speaker 02

  I, it was an, it was an insight into the mind of people that are trapped in that understanding. And, you know, like, the other thing they all said to me is, oh, you must like people that hit cops because you defended people that hit cops.

• 13:37Tucker Carlson?

  Who said that?

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Well, everybody, the New York, the Washington Post, all these people, because your lawyers are supposed to defend, you know, we defend the sort of worst of the worst, always. That's the system.

• 13:45Tucker Carlson?

  Or people who've been charged with crimes.

• 13:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Isn't that the way it works? Isn't that the way it works? But I said, so I say, look, nobody's for hitting cops, right? Nobody's for hitting cops. Well, my office, my predecessor, did not charge cops, did not charge assaults on police officers because they're only misdemeanors in the stupid DC laws. And I said, new law, new rule, touch a cop getting charged with assault, right? So stipulate, we're all against hitting cops. After that, what happened on January 6th, forget about even the day of it. Watch what happens. Liz Cheney and Benny Thompson run $50 million, you know, misinformation campaign to tell the world this is what was going on. And, and that's what Tom Tillis is believing, I guess. And meanwhile, the rest of us

• 14:30Tucker Carlson?

  But that's like MSNBC level lying. It's like transparent. It was an armed insurrection. Police officers were killed. None of that is true.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  Right, and I, look, I'm, I'm past it now, except to say this, the weaponization of government against the people is what we see over and over and over again. And when the leaders either acquiesce to it, or fall for the hoax of it, we see it over and over and over again. Whether you pick a FISA court, you know, we just watched this over and over, and you don't have time to say, was your, was your heart in it? Was your, are you lying? It's just, you're willing to buy into that worldview, it's destroying the country.

• 15:11Tucker Carlson?

  Can I ask you one that I couldn't agree more? Can I ask one last question? Did any member of the US Senate or member of Congress suggest, like, how many federal agents were in the crowd that day? None of them seem interested in that. That seems like a baseline question.

• 15:28Speaker 02

  Did any members of the Senate, I mean, in my, in my, probably not in the conversations I had, but I, but that you do bring us to a-

• 15:35Tucker Carlson?

  Does anyone care?

• 15:36Speaker 02

  Well, you, you bring us to a point where, as I started this out, is we're in a fight for, about information, right? And we're told, get over it, move on. It's like the 2020 election. The people say to me, they say, I was a stop the steal organizer. Well, I ran the election board in St. Louis, back in St. Louis, you know, I ran the election board, I know how elections work. The 2020 election, there were lots of things that were really off base. That's why I've always said it, I maintain it today. Doesn't mean I haven't proved, that doesn't mean that I've proven the election was stolen, no, but I know there's things that were off. We weren't allowed to say that, remember? You're not even allowed to say that out loud, and you go forward, and so they say, oh, you were stopped to steal. So I said, wait, isn't that the system we're supposed to have? Like, and we, we keep seeing information,

• 16:20Speaker 02

  government weaponized to stop information flow, and most of us move on, right? You move on to the next thing, because the way the world is moving. And one of the things this effort to do, to focus on weaponization, is, is to get the truth out. So to your point, we still don't know the answer to that. We do not know how many agents, how can we not know? I mean, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get it out, or I'm gonna die trying. Pipe bomber. As a prosecutor, I've got the pipe bomber case in my office. The FBI, Bongino said the FBI, change all the agents, everybody look at it again. It's been going on for about five weeks. It's like Keystone Cops, you know? They didn't interview some of the people that were, that you would have said, that might be a suspect. They hadn't interviewed him.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  I mean, so the question becomes, what's happening here? Is it incompetence? It feels worse than incompetence, right? And so that information.

• 17:13Tucker Carlson?

  It does, it does. What do you think?

• 17:15Speaker 02

  Well, I think, I think it's worse than incompetence. And, and I think, but I think the only way forward is to not describe what I think of the motives, but to expose over and over again what's happened. If you expose what's happened and the truth gets out, then accountability is possible. If you don't expose what's happened, the accountability looks like targeting, right? So you gotta do this one to get to this one. And the other side just does this, and then they count on the media to tell us it's okay. We have to do this and this. And that's my answer to some people that say, what's Dan doing, Bung? You know, I talk to him every week or so. He's going hammer and tongs at this stuff right here. You, you can't arrest everybody the first month, but you gotta get this going.

• 17:57Speaker 02

  And it's a challenge, but I'm glad people are holding us, you know, pushing everybody. It's good, but it's, it's harder than it looks. It really is.

• 18:04Tucker Carlson?

  I believe that. My informed, well-informed sense is that DOJ is a bigger mess even than some conspiracy minded people on the outside like me imagine it is. Like, I think it's actually a mess. Is it?

• 18:16Speaker 02

  Uh, I would say that, look, FBI specifically. Yeah, look, I worked for the Catholic Church, right? I worked for the Catholic Church. I'm, I'm pretty attuned to bureaucracies, right? And I've seen this, seen the scope of them and, and see the institutional inertia, like the momentum that they get. And I think my office was, my US Attorney's Office was about this big, Tucker, and it took me 120 days to get this much of my arms, you know, wrapped around this much, because this is how big it was. You know, Cash's job is this big and DOJ is this big and the President is this big. So, Mike, answer is, the scope is bigger and, and it is therefore much, much worse than people think.

• 18:57Speaker 02

  And I just think it's a, it's a, and by the way, one of the reasons I say. Information is so key. You can't, we can't win the Article III battle fast enough. We can fight it and we can eventually win lots of them. You can't win it fast enough to get the progress we need in terms of our, so you've got to be doing the information.

• 19:18Tucker Carlson?

  For people watching, what's the Article III battle?

• 19:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Article III means like the federal courts. We're in federal courts. The president says you, you can't let people come into the country and then the courts say nationwide injunction and you know, you're not allowed to do that and you're, you're constantly in court. Uh, you know, the US Attorney's Office for DC has all of the cases uh, of when they, when the government is sued, you know, the president sues, they all come into our office on the civil side. And so you see all that stuff coming in, you know, in, in the, during the Biden administration, the conservatives were suing in Texas. It was friendlier judges. Now it's in DC. So you're in the, in the courts, fighting to get the truth out, fighting to make these things prosecutions and all, but they take a longer time than just getting the word out, right? Getting the information out. I, I just, I feel like it's a different moment in history and that's, that's how I was US

• 20:03Speaker 02

  Attorney. That's why you saw, people saw so much out-facing action. Cause I wasn't just looking at courts. I was looking at making an argument for the public so they could see the policies.

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• 23:52Tucker Carlson?

  Can you go back? And I'm sorry, I've gone far afield, as usual, with me. But, um... So you have to be, you're nominated by the president to be US attorney in DC. It has to go through the senate. You offend Chuck Schumer by asking inconvenient questions. He sends out the word, destroy this man, that process begins. And then in the end, it was Tom Tillis, because the Republican, joking aside, party does control the senate supposedly, who killed it. How do you account for that? This is like a central job, for those who are not paying attention. This is like, if you're going to drain the swamp, if you're going to end the weaponization of the legal

• 24:37Tucker Carlson?

  system, if you're going to make good on all the promises the president made while campaigning, you need to fill this job with a capable person. And Tom Tillis winds up torpedoing you?

• 24:46Speaker 02

  Well, you know, I worked for Phyllis Schlafly.

• 24:48Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  And so when she wrote A Choice Not An Echo in 1964, and all the way through her career, and then the last 10 years of her life when I worked with her, you just, you come to know about the party, right? The Republican Party is probably more problematic in certain ways than the Democrat Party is obvious opponents, right?

• 25:08Tucker Carlson?

  I agree with that.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  So when Phyllis writes about 1964, what they did to, you know, Goldwater at that fight, or she writes in, she wrote about 1980 when they, you know, forced HW Bush on Reagan. I mean, she wrote about, but she also wrote about, by the way, about the Bilderberg. She's the first one to use the word Bilderbergs about the globalists when they were meeting. But Phyllis would say, you know, and taught, look, she backed Trump, she backed Trump early. And it basically, well, it caused a rift in her family. One of her children was a Cruz person, was against her, caused a rift in her organization. And I remember asking her, I'm like, kind of, seriously, is this worth it? And she said, of course it's worth it. She said, you know, this is, and so that was on our side. That was on the sort of conservative

• 25:50Speaker 02

  side. So I'm not surprised by any bit. I was on the RNC when they did the autopsy, remember?

• 25:55Tucker Carlson?

  Very well.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Romney loses, and they spend nine or 10 million dollars, and the same people got paid, go back and look, who got paid nine million dollars for the autopsy on the Republican Party, and it said, speak in Spanish, and don't talk about social issues, and we're just going to win everything. And they, and they made the mistake. They asked me, That microphone in my first meeting of the RNC, what do you think of that? And I said, what do you think of your report? And I said, it's not my report. I didn't go, I didn't go for that. That's crazy. Then we'll lose every election. So the Republican Party has always been that way. It's just better than the other one. And, and the question is right now.

• 26:27Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it's better in some way. I mean, I've never, you know, I vote Democrats because I'm pro-life, so I'm not going to vote for pro-choice, period. So that's.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 26:33Tucker Carlson?

  And I think there are a lot of Republican voters who feel that way.

• 26:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 26:36Tucker Carlson?

  So Democratic Party is just off the table for me, but I'm not sure the Republican Party is better because I think it's more deceptive. Democratic Party is like, yeah, we're the tranny illegal alien party. Okay, that's who you are. I find that repugnant, but the Republican Party tells you they're one thing, but they're actually another thing. That's what bothers me.

• 26:55Speaker 02

  Well, no, I thought, yeah, well, it's the same thing Phyllis talked about, you know, back in the day, it was the establishment on the eastern establishment, eastern elites who were trying to control the party and did a lot. Look, right now, it's Trump's party. It's just that some of the elites don't want to let go, right?

• 27:07Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 27:08Speaker 02

  And so the question is, will they be able to hold on? And, and when you heard the president say, he didn't say Ed wouldn't get confirmed, he said, that's not worth the fight right now. We got other things to do. And, you know, we knew, we knew we'd get somebody good in that spot, to your point. And we knew there's a place for me to play a role. So, you know, I, I, but the Republican Party is Trump's party. It's just some people aren't ready for it.

• 27:28Tucker Carlson?

  So it's really, it's not left versus right, moderate versus conservative, populist versus globalist. It's really reform versus corrupt. I mean, I think there's massive corruption in the US government in our system.

• 27:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:40Tucker Carlson?

  More broadly. Trump was elected on the promise of cleaning it up. You were his instrument to do that. So I think it's fair to say people who oppose that are against reform.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  Well, I, if I can, I'd say two things about it. One thing I think, as we, you've talked about before in lots of issues, President Trump represents a different view of America first is the way it's characterized. But this notion of, of believing in ourselves, our citizens, more than other things, including wars and globalists and all that. I think that, I think that's a big pivot and, and people feel that, as voters obviously did. But I will agree with you on this. The corruption is not one party. I mean, trust me, I'm the prosecutor.

• 28:17Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know.

• 28:17Speaker 02

  It's not one party. You know that, but I'm, your viewers, it's not one party. When you see. 6.7 billion dollars transferred from the EPA to an organization set up a year before, set up by the same leftist, left-leaning, Democrat-supporting folks that ran the housing tax credit boondoggle from the 90s. It's the same people. 6.7 billion. When you see that transfer of money, it's, this is, this is not one party. That, that, both parties are at the trough. And the question is, who gives us the best chance to try to take, to take this country back and to fight for it? And it's, it's clearly been Trump, but it's an everyday battle. And, and-

• 28:55Tucker Carlson?

  What other Republican senators opposed your nomination?

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Well, it's funny. As soon as Tillis blocked it, then a guy like Senator Cornyn said, "I'm for him." You know?

• 29:04Tucker Carlson?

  Did he really?

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, we weren't sure until then. And then I think Collins said, "I'm looking at it. I'm thinking about it." So, I, I will say that all-

• 29:12Tucker Carlson?

  Like Collins says she was thinking?

• 29:14Speaker 02

  Well, I-

• 29:15Tucker Carlson?

  We know that's not true.

• 29:16Speaker 02

  Well, I, well, actually, I had an issue up here. You know, the US Attorney has so much interesting role for DC, the DC US Attorney. I went to the DEA and I said, "Hey, guys, what are we not doing?" I would go all these law enforcement. I'd say, "What, what is that, what is somebody not doing that I could do to help you guys?" And the DEA guy said, "We got all these marijuana farms in Maine."

• 29:33Tucker Carlson?

  Chinese drug cartels control Maine.

• 29:35Speaker 02

  In Maine. And so, they said, "We can't get it under control, and the US Attorney up there won't do anything." And I said, "I'll take it. I'll take the cases." I said, "Let's figure it out." So, I wrote a letter to the Maine governor, and I said, "Um, what are you doing about these pot farms that the Chinese are running? You know, we gotta take a look at this because, you know, it's impacting what's going on." And so, we, nothing's progressed yet.

• 29:52Tucker Carlson?

  What did Governor Mills say?

• 29:53Speaker 02

  She had some milquetoast response about something, but not-

• 29:56Tucker Carlson?

  No more looking into it.

• 29:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. But I mean, you know, when you look close, it's a disaster. And, and she and her administration is really not just looking the other way. They're allowing chaos in the, in this state.

• 30:07Tucker Carlson?

  Well, her brother is benefiting.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:08Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, it's probably the most corrupt state outside of New Jersey, out of 50. So, but were there any other senators who went on the record?

• 30:17Speaker 02

  No, no, they were doing a dance. Look, I mean, McConnell is, in fact, McConnell's staff was talking to me about pitching him on the, because they weren't a no, a hard no at the beginning. But at that level, in that process, they're all playing a game, right? Until they have to, look, Senator Hawley, I'm from Missouri, Senator Hawley said- If you get to the floor, you'll, you'll, you'll definitely get the votes.

• 30:38Tucker Carlson?

  They're afraid to vote against you.

• 30:39Speaker 02

  Right. And, but he said, they're going to be all kinds of machinations beforehand. So to your point, I don't know if Tillis was, Senator Tillis was taking one for the team. If he was, you know, killing me to help other people or what, but he was the obvious one that decided.

• 30:54Tucker Carlson?

  To the extent you know, what do you think the real issue was? Why wouldn't Republican senators form, you know, a blue line in support of you? Like what, what was it that made them?

• 31:06Speaker 02

  You know, I.

• 31:07Tucker Carlson?

  9/11, you said? I mean, rather 9/11, January 6th.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  January 6th. I would say that a number of times it was clear that I was not going to be sort of controllable, that I was going to do exactly what I thought and what the president let me loose to do. And I think that that's for the, for the, you know, the sort of ruling class, that's the wildest of wild cards. And so.

• 31:35Tucker Carlson?

  A prosecutor who's.

• 31:37Speaker 02

  Willing to do the.

• 31:38Tucker Carlson?

  Not controlled by corrupt interests? Yeah, that's the scariest thing there is.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  Right. So, you know, um, yeah, but I don't really know. I mean, I, you know, I would have bet that I would have gotten through because President Trump wanted me.

• 31:49Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 31:49Speaker 02

  So, you know, it's, it's hard to know. I thought some of the other guys that got confirmed had a lot more checkered past, but I, you know.

• 31:57Tucker Carlson?

  But it's not about that.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:58Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, it's, it's never the liars who get in trouble. It's the truth tellers who are the threat, of course.

• 32:03Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 32:04Tucker Carlson?

  For sure.

• 32:05Speaker 02

  Okay, I don't know.

• 32:06Tucker Carlson?

  For sure. They don't care if you lie. They lie. They love lies. Um, their father is the father of lies. But you are staying on in the administration.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  Yes. I mean, it's, I hate to say I got a promotion. I don't want to be too Pollyannish, but I kind of got a promotion. I mean.

• 32:24Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  A US Attorney's Office, to be clear, it's, it's the greatest prosecutor's office in the world, really. It's got all of the city level crime. It's like a DA. It's a great DA office and then a huge US Attorney's Office with cases all over the world and all sorts of complicated, interesting stuff and a huge docket. I can get to all USAID, all the USAID falls within us. So when you see the fraud that's going on in Europe and, and, and, you know, this is all stuff that the US attorney and trust me, the US attorney is already looking at it. And you can look at this stuff and say, because of the jurisdiction. So, but it's a big office with a lot of bureaucracy. And so what I got, basically, my new job is focused on weaponization. The docket is the whole world and the country to say, where have they done wrong? And how do we go and get to the bottom of it? And so I look, I'm the

• 33:10Speaker 02

  president, it's a key moment. It's a key moment. And the president trusts me to do this. And so, and Pam Bondi has been great about directing us on this. So I'm excited to go over there and, and, and fight.

• 33:22Tucker Carlson?

  It's amazing that someone in DC, so anyone who lives in DC knows that the city is mismanaged by Muriel Bowser, the mayor, but it's also kind of falling apart. The real estate market has collapsed because of COVID, but also because of crime.

• 33:34Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 33:34Tucker Carlson?

  And like, they need law enforcement in DC and they don't really have it. And yet this woman was so mad at you that she spit, spit on you. It just tells you the power of the propaganda that Schumer unleashed.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  That's right. Well, I'm wondering, I want to brag for a minute. We shifted a lot of our resources to fight crime. You know, you know this, but 720,000 people live in DC.

• 33:56Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 33:57Speaker 02

  650,000 live in poverty and a tough setup.

• 33:59Tucker Carlson?

  For sure.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  And frankly, they've been getting, they've been getting stuck by both parties forever, right?

• 34:06Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  So you walk down the street in Anacostia and you're like, I went to do an interview in Anacostia and we pulled up and there's an ambulance and all. And I said, what is that? And I said, somebody was shot there, laying there. And we went in to do the interview. It was like, oh yeah. So he's not going to die. He's going to be fine. So what we did was we turned all of our resources on that side to getting rid of the guys with guns, the bad guys with guns, and we dragged them to federal court. Now that sounds like, it's not that revolutionary, but you start to get, in March, we got 18 and April 24 arrested, arrested with guns and off the streets. For 700,000 people, what they mostly need to know is somebody's trying to help them make it better, right? And trying to make life better. And crime is down 25% and the, the basics are going the right direction. So,

• 34:49Speaker 02

  but no, no, that's, that woman screeching at me and spitting on me was, that's a fruit of the environment that says, make anyone who's doing something important into someone toxic and will get people to be agitated. And

• 35:02Tucker Carlson?

  But it works.

• 35:03Speaker 02

  It works.

• 35:03Tucker Carlson?

  Oh.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  Works completely. The only problem is our side, meaning I think God fearing Americans need to be, understand, I just told you, we've got to get the truth out. You can't sit back and say, we're right. That doesn't matter.

• 35:14Tucker Carlson?

  No, I know.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  Your neighbor is still being inundated by the Washington Post, right? They're still being told by the Washington Post that somehow it's problematic that I was on RT. I did interviews on RT and that, oh, this is the end of the world. Well, I mean Swalwell's

• 35:29Tucker Carlson?

  That you went on RT?

• 35:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, I went on RT. I did interviews on RT.

• 35:32Tucker Carlson?

  Did you have a, uh, did you have sex with a Chinese Communist spy?

• 35:36Speaker 02

  I was just gonna say, no, I did not. I mean, I wanted to make clear that.

• 35:39Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry to ask you personal questions.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  I wanted to make clear that. So, but my point is that-

• 35:42Tucker Carlson?

  I loved RT. RT was a great channel. I didn't agree with everything, but I don't know what-

• 35:46Speaker 02

  I've only been told-

• 35:47Tucker Carlson?

  Going on RT or did you, were you the news director? You were just a guest?

• 35:50Speaker 02

  I've only been told what to say on one network and that was the Communist CNN. They told me I had to, I just say that. Otherwise, so, but my point is to your, to your, to your, to your point, we can't rely on the, the truth. We're not, we are right. We have to though, and this is where I think there's responsibility in government. We have to expose the truth. We have to expose it and we have, if they're not shamed, at least Andrew Weisman can hear his name. Andrew Weisman is truly one of the most despicable figures in modern American life. Mary McCord, Georgetown University, oh, I got in a fight with Georgetown, you know, Georgetown University's mad at me.

• 36:25Tucker Carlson?

  Filthy, filthy organization.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  I wrote Georgetown law and I said to the dean, we're not gonna hire your people either for jobs or internships-

• 36:33Tucker Carlson?

  Good, good.

• 36:33Speaker 02

  Because you're doing DEI after the president said stop.

• 36:36Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  He wrote back and lectured me on Jesuit ideals, Jesuit ideals and, and freedom. Now, he went to Yale and Harvard. I don't think those are religious, but I went to, you know, Holy Cross, slightly Jesuit the whole time, St. Louis U Jesuit, on, on, on, and he lectured me. But here's what, here's what happened quickly.

• 36:52Tucker Carlson?

  Was he a Jesuit?

• 36:53Speaker 02

  No, no, of course not. He said, he's not even Catholic. Well, maybe he's Catholic, I don't know, but he's lecturing me and, and bar complaints are coming in from people saying Georgetown is great. All I'm saying is this, Tucker-

• 37:02Tucker Carlson?

  Georgetown's disgusting.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  Well-

• 37:04Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  But more importantly, you talk about weaponizing government. You got this Rosa Brooks, Mary McCord, these are the people coming out of Obama land and they're taking the transition integrity- Project, remember this, the transition integrity program, and they're saying, how would we do an American color revolution, right? How would we do that? And they're laying it out. Remember game planning? They were doing this tabletop and they're looking at and participating are all kinds of Americans with security clearances and, you know, military background.

• 37:35Tucker Carlson?

  It's terrifying.

• 37:35Speaker 02

  And we're supposed to sit here and say, oh, isn't this great? You guys do all of that and we say nothing. And meanwhile, you get hundreds of millions of dollars in American tax dollars to do it to us. So I asked them a question, they got upset, but the point here is.

• 37:47Tucker Carlson?

  And Rosa, I know Rosa Brooks well. She did that out of Georgetown.

• 37:52Speaker 02

  Of course, that's what I'm saying is an institute still, she's still doing.

• 37:55Tucker Carlson?

  Georgetown is, um, I mean, it's had really unhealthy relationships with the US government for many, many decades. I mean, the CIA small arms training facility was on their campus. I know that for a fact, because I know someone who trained there. Like they have been Georgetown is one of those things. It's not a private institution. It's an arm of the deepest of the deep state. And like they're scary and they're supported by US tax dollars. Like it's not, it's not a college. Like you want your kid to go to Georgetown? Oh, it goes to Georgetown. Go Hoyas. It's way more than that. People just have no idea.

• 38:29Speaker 02

  Well, and my point to you is I agree, and we have to name it. It's not enough to us to know. We have to say Mary McCord and Rosa Brooks at Georgetown Law.

• 38:39Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know.

• 38:40Speaker 02

  What they're doing is destructive to the country and people should know it.

• 38:43Tucker Carlson?

  They're planning insurrection, actually.

• 38:45Speaker 02

  They speak of it.

• 38:46Tucker Carlson?

  I know, using US tax dollars and all these, you know, nice sort of well meaning Irish Catholic alums around the country who like, don't agree with anything that Rosa Brooks says, are sending them money and sending them their kids there because the veneer, the skin suit still lives Georgetown. Oh, Pat Buchanan went to Georgetown. Okay. It's the fakest place in the United States, way worse than Harvard, actually, I think. Sorry.

• 39:12Speaker 02

  But fake would be bad enough. It's destructive.

• 39:15Tucker Carlson?

  It's sinister. I agree.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  Destructive. And, and, and again, until you, until we're have the, if you think it's a debate, if we, if it's a debating moment, then you're in a one spot. If you think it's a battle for the future of the country and the world, then you're in a different moment. And, and that's how I look at what we're, what we're seeing going on. And that's why I think some people probably realized he knows how this goes a little more. And, and, and so they didn't want me in that spot, but I got another spot, so it'll be, it'll work out.

• 39:40Tucker Carlson?

  It's just so revealing, I'll just say it one last time because I can't control myself, that you were torpedoed by supposedly conservative Republicans. I gave a speech on Tom Tillis's behalf when he ran for the first time for Senate and you, I sort of think that like you're getting one thing, but almost 100% of the time, the person winds up to be John Cornyn, or you know, like a super aggressive liberal posing as a conservative Republican. It's so weird. Do you understand the mindset there?

• 40:08Speaker 02

  No, I, you know, my, my wife, who's like you, smarter than me. And so she said the other day, why can't we go back to term limits? You know, I mean, it's this instinct of there's something, there's something about when they're in, in for a while, they seem to have figured out for, they think they've figured out what's better for everyone. I don't really know. Look, one of the problems I hate is, I know you do, is tell, just tell me the truth to my face. If this is what you're doing.

• 40:30Tucker Carlson?

  100%. Well, that's what I respect about Tillis. At least he lectured you in private.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  That's right. He did. And I, and he unloaded on me in private.

• 40:36Tucker Carlson?

  Well, good. I mean, good. I mean, I disagree. I think a lot of things, I've already expressed them, but I admire that.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, um, but I don't know what gets the, the, well, I do know, the system is so powerful and so, so alluring and seductive that after a while, uh, you know, I think it's inevitable that even good people are, are tempted to a worldview that's not as good, even if they're not tempted to pure straight on corruption. So it is a problem.

• 41:04Tucker Carlson?

  There's just so much money.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  That's right. That's it. It's not power, right? It's money. It's all money.

• 41:08Tucker Carlson?

  It's money. That's exactly right. Um, so just quickly, I mean, I'm interested as a former resident, longtime resident about the city of Washington, over which you would have had jurisdiction as a chief law enforcement officer, because it's not a state, but it's a federal zone. It's super complicated setup in DC. But what were you starting to do to make the city safer and more orderly? And what needs to be done?

• 41:33Speaker 02

  Well, this is really important and I hope, and I was actually.

• 41:37Tucker Carlson?

  Nobody cares because it's a majority black city, by the way. It's like all the liberals who are like, I love black people. They just don't care.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. They don't seem to. I agree with you. They don't. They, all right. So, um, there's a couple of things. One is, um, uh, and I was just telling Judge Jeanine Pirro, she's really. She's really kind of.

• 41:51Tucker Carlson?

  I should have said the headline, which is.

• 41:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's kind of into it. She's kind of, she's really into it and she's asking me all these questions and I'm thinking, ah, she was.

• 41:57Tucker Carlson?

  She's the nominee now.

• 41:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's gonna be, well, she's gonna come in and serve like I did. She's gonna serve right away. So she's not waiting and, uh, and that's very cool. But I, I'm a fan of that because why have this, you know, inter, uh, so, um, DC is awesome. I mean, it's awesome place. As you know, history on every corner, you know, the background of everybody. Um, I did these ride alongs with detectives and I'd so go every corner of the place and you see all these different things and, and, uh, and the people, people are people, right? Of course they want what they want more for their kids and more for themselves. And, uh, um, I lived, I'm from St. Louis and in St. Louis, I always lived in the city, uh, itself. And it feels the same way. Um, a couple of things. One is the violent crime, right? The, the guns are because, um, Virginia's hard on guns. And Maryland and, and, uh, and DC are soft, then you can get away with having guns.

• 42:42Tucker Carlson?

  Misuse of guns.

• 42:43Speaker 02

  Misuse of guns, right? So all sorts of people with all sorts of guns.

• 42:46Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, can I ask though, just so DC and Maryland have a lot of gun control?

• 42:52Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 42:52Tucker Carlson?

  But when criminals use guns, they're more tolerant.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  That's of course.

• 42:56Tucker Carlson?

  Virginia has less gun control.

• 42:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 42:58Tucker Carlson?

  But it's tougher on the illegal. What is that?

• 43:00Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, that's the, that's, that's, that's the whole thing, right? That's the, that's the game. You can, you can barely get your concealed carry in DC. It, it takes months and months and months.

• 43:08Tucker Carlson?

  I got one.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  I know it takes forever though. You probably, I, I brought somebody in the other day. I said, tell me how the concealed carry process is going. They said it takes six months to get an appointment to even get your stuff. So.

• 43:18Tucker Carlson?

  I can get you one immediately. Can I say one thing about DC? Well, it's why it's a great city. You, when you live in DC, it was there most of my life. You're mad because it's so inefficient. It's totally third world in the way it's run. And then you finally realize like, wait a second, if I just play along, grease a Palmer two, all the right people, show respect.

• 43:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:34Tucker Carlson?

  You know, Mr. And Mrs. Always, stuff like that. Like life is easy in DC.

• 43:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, well.

• 43:39Tucker Carlson?

  It's like living.

• 43:40Speaker 02

  Not for normal, but not for regular people.

• 43:42Tucker Carlson?

  Like for, for people, no, it's not even about, it's like, you know, like, why would I, my kids don't have driver's licenses. So I could go through the whole rigmarole or I could just pay someone 400 bucks to get them a driver's license and you boom, get driver's license.

• 43:54Speaker 02

  All right. Well, that's good. I, okay. I, I don't know what to say to that, except.

• 43:58Tucker Carlson?

  It's so corrupt. Let me go back, let me go back to what they.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  They need, they need, they need to stay focused on the violence, right? So the violence is guns and, and, uh, you know, look, Cash has given us support to try to do some cold case stuff. The FBI has, has the ability to do more DNA testing to try to get, you know, a lot of cold case stuff is, is DNA. And if you can go back and look at stuff rapes especially, and you can do, so there's lots you can do.

• 44:22Tucker Carlson?

  So there was a DNC employee shot to death in 2016, uh, in, in Washington, uh, but not robbed. And we're not like allowed to talk about or even mention his name, so I won't mention his name, but people I know who worked at the DNC, one person at the time believed that he, there was a political killing, that he was murdered for political reasons. Will that case be looked at, do you think?

• 44:42Speaker 02

  Well, I got briefed on it. It's now a while ago time wise, but, um, there's not a statute of limitations on it, but it's cold. To your point, it's a cold case. There's not, there's not.

• 44:52Tucker Carlson?

  You think there's any evidence that that was an assassination, not a robbery?

• 44:56Speaker 02

  Well, there's evidence that there was a killing in such a way that, yeah, I mean, that you could say, you can't know sort of why the killing happened, right?

• 45:03Tucker Carlson?

  It was weird, right?

• 45:04Speaker 02

  It was weird. Yeah. Yeah.

• 45:05Tucker Carlson?

  So that guy was killed and in DC, but MPD was taken off the case and FBI took over. Why?

• 45:12Speaker 02

  I don't know the answer. It's a good question.

• 45:14Tucker Carlson?

  Kind of weird though, right?

• 45:15Speaker 02

  Like, how many days do I have left on the job? I'll go find out. I'll see if I can find out.

• 45:19Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry, sorry, sorry.

• 45:20Speaker 02

  Things I should have asked. But the, by the one I want to tell you about, this is important because it's, you're going to see it nationwide this summer, and that's the problem with juveniles. In all these cities where you have Democrats and liberals in charge, they're soft on juveniles. So the juveniles get away with crimes and tougher and tougher, harder and harder crimes.

• 45:37Tucker Carlson?

  Carjackings.

• 45:38Speaker 02

  Carjackings, you know, and worse. And so if that's the system, it's happened over and over now. And the, and of course, the community that they are in has a lot of, uh, you know, the schools are bad, uh, there's not a lot of role models, right? Life is not in a good spot and you churn this. You've got this situation, I said to someone, there was a incident down at the Navy Pier, a Navy Yard where someone was, a bunch of kids, juveniles come in these gangs and they, and they steal wallets and they get around people. And I said, it's a friend of mine, he said, oh yeah, the Navy Pier is like that. And I said, what are you talking about? It's Navy Yard. He said, the same thing happens in Chicago. In other words, every. Urban city has this problem of juveniles. And the reason why is because we continue to send them back and to keep them in this system that's just so broken.

• 46:18Tucker Carlson?

  But you can't shoot them when they come up to you and do this to you.

• 46:20Speaker 02

  No, no, of course, that's right, exactly. No, it's a disaster.

• 46:22Tucker Carlson?

  You can't defend yourself.

• 46:23Speaker 02

  Right, it's a disaster, but I think one of the things that that juvenile question is one that DC has to face because it's really, and the older kids, if it were, if they were girls, they'd be calling it trafficking because the older boys are trafficking the younger boys because they know they won't get into trouble the same way because they're underage. So that part of it is a disaster and that falls right on the DC City Council and the mayor and the current administration there that hasn't, hasn't taken it seriously because you just need to lock them up. You need to get them out of DC, put them in some place, you could pay to put them in another, you know, reform school or whatever to get them out of town. Instead, they let them, they let them loose, they don't detain them.

• 47:01Tucker Carlson?

  Congress could fix that in a day.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  They could.

• 47:03Tucker Carlson?

  Because they have constitutional authority over the district.

• 47:06Speaker 02

  If they wanted to.

• 47:07Tucker Carlson?

  And Newt, for whatever you think of Newt Gingrich, he took over in 94, he took over DC and made it a much better city and created this massive renaissance.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  Right, that's right.

• 47:15Tucker Carlson?

  Why do you, why do you think they don't?

• 47:16Speaker 02

  I, like, I mean, that's, you're asking too many questions about the Republican Party. I mean, you're right, and the president, I think, is frustrated by the dynamic. I think he wishes that there was more action in terms of taking it over, but that's not been a priority.

• 47:29Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, no, I, I mean, I think it's fair, I mean, there are a lot of things going on.

• 47:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:34Tucker Carlson?

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• 48:17Tucker Carlson?

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• 49:41Tucker Carlson?

  Can I just press you a little bit on the question I asked before? Because I think it's interesting. Why, so people who are for gun control tell us that guns are dangerous and bad. Okay, I disagree. I think guns are a tool. They can be misused, whatever, like a chainsaw or a steak knife. But there's those exact same people don't seem as concerned when guns are used in crimes. They're only concerned when guns are like under your bed or in your gun safe. They're concerned when law-abiding people have guns, not when criminals have guns. What is that?

• 50:14Speaker 02

  Well, I mean. Part of me wants to engage in some philosophical argument with you about what they think, but I mostly think it's what you said earlier.

• 50:24Tucker Carlson?

  So this is a trend that you noticed.

• 50:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, they don't really care about these people. I mean, I'm the Republican, I'm the conservative, I'm supposed to not care. They say, you don't care about these people. When I get in this job, I look at it and say, poor people, mostly black and brown, are living through hell because of the policies that you have, which is to let bad guys go. With guns, you and I both would agree, if you're a bad, if you do something with a gun badly, you know, then you should be incarcerated.

• 50:48Tucker Carlson?

  Definitely.

• 50:49Speaker 02

  No problem.

• 50:50Tucker Carlson?

  Because guns can kill you quickly.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  Guns can get so, I wish I could say it was a philosophical thing. It's that they really don't care about these people. They don't mind letting the people suffer and letting their communities, you know, get destroyed, and the rest of it is just window dressing. I, there's no other, trying to read people's minds, it doesn't work.

• 51:08Tucker Carlson?

  DC is the only significant city that Republicans could really run through the Congress and through the US Attorney's job. So I, I feel like the only shot the city has at reform, and in the last 50 years since it's had its own rule, the only time it's gotten better is when Republicans take control. And so I'd just like you to fill out a little bit, like what, now you're leaving, but what do you think should happen from the US Attorney's Office in DC?

• 51:30Speaker 02

  In DC? Well, we started on guns, and then we're gonna switch, we're gonna switch, keeps moving towards other violent crime. Now, the key pivot in this, again, is down the weeds a little bit, is to take these gun crimes and then down to rape and assault, and go down even to property crimes, because you can't have CVS have everything behind lock and key, right? But the two things that we're doing is dragging these cases to federal court, because the local court is so bad. The juries are bad, the judges are bad, the system is bad. So you get them to federal court, you got a better chance to have real penalties and a bit more stability. But the problem really is going to be whether you can have the will of the judges to hold these people to the laws, right, and to put them away. But that, you move along that continuum every single day on, in terms of addressing crime.

• 52:13Speaker 02

  The last thing I'd say is that a lot of talk about money, you know, the mayor wants to do, build a stadium and all these things, but they need more cops, and cops cost money, but cops also require that you be on their side, right? Remember when we were kids, being an FBI agent was... A big deal being a cop was a big deal. Oh, for sure. And now, young people don't feel drawn to those jobs, right? So it is hard to get cops. MPD is down probably, I think their ideal is thirty eight hundred cops there to about thirty three hundred. You can say you're gonna get all these crimes, you still gotta go get cops. And you gotta find a way to get people into the system that can be on the streets and doing it. So if you give me my wish list for DC to make it better in the next two or three years, it's continue to actually take real crimes and put them in federal court and then bolster the number of cops.

• 52:58Speaker 02

  And you could bolster the number of cops as a US attorney just by having their back, right? There's something called the Lewis List, which is what happens if you go to court and you're a cop and somebody claims you lied, they can put you on what's called the Lewis List, which is a requirement that the prosecutors tell a defendant that this guy testifying has had a problem in the past of credibility. But it's abused by the judges and the public defenders to hurt the cops. Well, I said, we're gonna stick up for the cops and we're gonna try to change that. So you gotta stick up for the cops in lots of concrete ways that make the system work. But you've mostly just gotta get after the crime every, and systematically, not hard. You know, Rudy and these famous prosecutors, they did one thing well. They consistently prosecuted crime.

• 53:43Speaker 02

  They didn't come up with social plans, they didn't come, just get a crime, put him in jail. Get a crime. Swift in certain punishment. You know, Metro just changed their rules in the district, the Metro, you know, both the buses and the Metro, the trains, that you can get banned from the trains. Because once you get banned from the trains or banned from Metro, I can then arrest you for a different charge, could be a felony for coming back in on a ban. Between, before, between, before that, you could go every day, you could do three felonies, three misdemeanors a day, you could expose yourself in the morning, jump a fair thing in the afternoon and, and you know, whatever. And so Metro got serious and they were changing the dynamic. That's just plain getting the crimes down and focused on it. And, but you gotta wanna do it, you gotta wanna do it every day.

• 54:28Tucker Carlson?

  We have to care.

• 54:29Speaker 02

  Care, well, that's the word, the same thing, yeah.

• 54:32Tucker Carlson?

  Um, so what, what other cold cases are you looking at?

• 54:35Speaker 02

  Well, the big one that I was interested in is the, is the, uh, the number of times that you can take DNA, uh, that was left behind. Those are a lot of sexual assault, rape and sexual, sexual assault. So those are the most obvious ones. There's some DNA cases on guns. If you have a, if a weapon on a crime has some DNA on it, as the technology's gotten more sophisticated, but you can instantly go and, and, and using the databases now and technology, get a check on, uh, DNA from a lot of-

• 55:00Tucker Carlson?

  Why's no one done that?

• 55:02Speaker 02

  Well, they are. It's just, it's a process. It takes a lot of, uh, it takes a lot of time. I mean, one of the things you're doing is not everybody's in the database, so you're trying to track back through, but we are doing it. I mean, that's one of the-

• 55:11Tucker Carlson?

  A lot of people are in the database.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  A lot of people are in the database, but not, not everybody. I mean, and, and, um, so it, one of the, well, and so the FBI has been good about, I don't know why they were doing, weren't doing it before, but the FBI has been great about letting us do it. And so we're, you know, we're tracking that down.

• 55:25Tucker Carlson?

  Can I ask you a question? The members of Congress, and it wasn't just Tom Tillis, I don't mean to keep beating up on poor Tom Tillis, an idiot anyway, but, but like all members of Congress on both sides were very threatened by J six. That's one of the reasons, you know, it was their building, not the people's house that belonged to them.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 55:41Tucker Carlson?

  And they felt like their space was invaded. They felt their security was jeopardized. I get it. But are they concerned that there are like murders taking place within walking distance of their office? I mean, do they care about crime in DC? Did anyone mention that?

• 55:56Speaker 02

  Well, again, you know, Tucker, and look, I think President Trump is like this, uh, how he approaches everything. And I mean, that's how I wanted to serve and I do. We did exactly what you're saying. We said to everybody on the Hill, come to a briefing on, on safety. We want to keep you safe because the staffers care, right? The staffers are getting assaulted and all. And so, and people, and people, people came to that and people want to hear how we're going to do that, how we can prosecute, how, because law enforcement again is partly prosecuting, but it's a lot of showing up and showing force. So people know you're safer. Uh, and yeah, I mean, look, I, I think they care. The question is whether it leads to policy, you know, and again, my, my job as prosecutor ...office is to get after the crimes as I've got them.

• 56:41Speaker 02

  And if they're not going to adjust their policies, I can't worry about that on the days, you know, day to day of getting after crime. But I'll tell you what, when I go to, you know, Anacostia, or I go to these neighborhoods, they care and they know the US Attorney is paying attention to that. And that's probably more important than the folks up on the Hill.

• 57:00Tucker Carlson?

  I think it is. Tell us what you did with Wikipedia and why?

• 57:06Speaker 02

  Well, you know, the, um, one of the aspects of, you know, weaponization is what we're talking, what I've been talking about with the new, the new role I've been in this weaponization working group is when you-

• 57:17Tucker Carlson?

  Weaponization of the legal system.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, weaponization of the legal system, but really the weaponization of the law, the use of the law to hide and operate. So Wikipedia has this incredible 501(c)(3), right? Gets a tax benefit from We the People. It's a public benefit corporation. You know, the 1950s, they looked at this closely because the Rockefeller Foundation, the Carnegie Foundation had been using their foundations and abusing it. And that's when the law first changed to have 501(c)(3) become a tax code. It was part of the shift, right? So the Cox Report or the Reese Committee or whatever it was. But so we have this problem where these, Wikipedia has all this money that they use because they're a 501(c)(3), a nonprofit that's supposed to be for the public benefit.

• 58:00Tucker Carlson?

  Do they, how much do they pay a year in taxes?

• 58:02Speaker 02

  I don't even know. No, I don't know the numbers.

• 58:04Tucker Carlson?

  No, they pay no taxes, right?

• 58:06Speaker 02

  I'm not sure if they pay zero, but they probably say they pay payroll and other things. They have an answer to that, but they would be tax exempt under the code. But more importantly, they're obviously biased. They're obviously, and they're anti-Semitic is the big one, but they're obviously biased in all sorts of other ways. In fact, as soon as I started taking them on, my Wikipedia page went even worse to hell, you know, in terms of people coming on and editing it, supposedly citizen editors. So there's bias, again, information war, right? There's bias here that is against We the People, in my opinion, but certainly it's bias that's hidden from us because they're hiding behind the law. In other words, they're using the law in a way that is weaponized against certain groups and individuals.

• 58:47Speaker 02

  That's what we basically said to Wikipedia is, hey, let's look closely at what you're doing and how it's operating and see who's benefiting or not benefiting and paying a price. And by the way, as soon as this happens, they get panicked because they know, we know. There's another reason. I wrote to a number of the medical journals and I said, you guys are all 501(c)(3). You get big benefits from tax exempt status. How are you balancing, you know, the partisan nature of the work you're doing? How are you abiding by the laws that say that you're not supposed to be picking sides or paid for by one donor or the other? And they lose their mind because no one's supposed to ask, you know, you're not supposed to ask. It's like USAID. We weren't supposed to ask until this last six months. Why are we spending $400 million in wherever, right?

• 59:31Speaker 02

  Why is this? We're not allowed to ask. So that's a part of this weaponization thing that I think is underrated. And with Wikipedia, it got a huge reaction.

• 59:40Tucker Carlson?

  Wikipedia is, is history now. I mean, it's how people understand the past.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 59:45Tucker Carlson?

  It's in league with Google, so it's the, it's the first result on everything. Every noun you punch in gets Wikipedia first. So people like don't understand anything that's happened in the world prior to last week, except through Wikipedia. So if it's totally distorted, then you change the collective memory.

• 1:00:01Speaker 02

  I know, but we're back right again. We started, we're back to the information war, right? It's a war over information. And if nobody, you tell me who, who, well, let me say it this way. A prosecutor saying that about Wikipedia is vastly different than Tucker Carlson saying it.

• 1:00:17Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I agree with that.

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  Right. And so, and that's the point of the job.

• 1:00:20Tucker Carlson?

  Wish I was a prosecutor.

• 1:00:21Speaker 02

  Well, right, exactly. And that, and that's, and that's why Donald Trump, in my estimation, said to guys like me, go and do this because that's, the role is not just to find the right guy to prosecute. We got to do that too, if it, if it rises to that. It's to make clear how off kilter the information battle is because the public doesn't know that, right? They don't have that sense of what's going on.

• 1:00:46Tucker Carlson?

  So one, I mean, Wikipedia is a propaganda operation and one of its founders told me that the CIA or the American intel community is heavily involved. In shaping the message on Wikipedia, did you come across evidence of that?

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Not yet, but that just started that that and that sort of opening salvo was about three weeks ago. So Judge Jeanine will have that one on her plate. But you know where I'm going, the job I'm going to, I don't have to leave any of that stuff behind. So I can tell you, I thought you were going to go a different direction. And I'll, I'll say on the weaponization working group, as it's described by Attorney General Bondi and the President's direction, intelligence community is one of the groups that was weaponized against the people, obviously, it's obvious. The question is, how are we going to get to the bottom of it, right? How are we going to get to the bottom of some of the weaponization of the government, intelligence community against the citizens? And that's what I that's where I'm going now.

• 1:01:34Tucker Carlson?

  But we can't tell you it's classified.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  Well, they could tell me I'm now in, I'm now in the, I'm now in the system. Well, we'll see if I can get it, you know, but again, the point of getting

• 1:01:42Tucker Carlson?

  See if you can get what?

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  Well, the point of getting into these positions as a prosecutor is I'm now getting the, the clearances to be able to get to the, to the, to the level where you can look at some, I know that still try not to tell you, but that's the point of, of this fight is you cannot win the information battle based on what they let you see. It's what you have to find, even in our government.

• 1:02:06Tucker Carlson?

  Especially in our government. And I, and I have to say, um, the classification regimen does not seem primarily focused on protecting national security at all.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  Right, exactly. Back to weaponization. The 51 guys that signed the letter on the Hunter Biden laptop.

• 1:02:24Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  You'd have to be a fool to think that's an isolated incident. In other words, if they're willing to misuse and mischaracterize a letter based on their, you know, their status and the advantage that they have as insiders, that's not the only time they did it.

• 1:02:41Tucker Carlson?

  No, exactly.

• 1:02:42Speaker 02

  And so the question is, how endemic is the weaponization, right? And we both know the answer. This is back to your point. It's much, much worse than we think. The question is, how do we continually go about getting to the bottom of it? I'll probably get myself in trouble. You and Joe, who knows? One of the ways I ran elections, one of the places I think that is really problematic, that nobody has looked at, is the certification of systems, right? The certification of election systems. For the record, not saying there's any fraud, but how do you certify?

• 1:03:14Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, there's fraud.

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  Well, I know, but the election.

• 1:03:15Tucker Carlson?

  Look at what's at stake.

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  Exactly. Well, no, no, but even better. Look at how much money it is.

• 1:03:20Tucker Carlson?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  Right. Well, okay, but even just the Election Assistance Commission is the entity that certifies machines. Okay? It has no real teeth, but it controls who's certified or not, which means it controls who has the good housekeeping stamp of approval worth hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. What are the chances that that has been done? Everything else we've seen in government is broken, corrupt, messy, incompetent, or something, right? What are the chances that's the one place where it's totally competent and totally without any flaws? I'm just saying, let's go look, right? And that's what we've got to do to get to the bottom of this.

• 1:03:55Tucker Carlson?

  In the same way that the gun control people are fine with gang bangers having guns.

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:04:03Tucker Carlson?

  The democracy is sacred people are very upset when you want to make sure that elections have integrity. That's weird.

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  I love when you do this Tucker move. It's weird. It's weird only if you puke good intentions to these people, right?

• 1:04:17Tucker Carlson?

  That's so true.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  That's, it is weird then.

• 1:04:20Tucker Carlson?

  No, I see you're right.

• 1:04:20Speaker 02

  It's totally predictable. I mean, and all around the world, by the way, they're watching this happening. You know, Poland, right now, they're in the midst of, they're trying to take Poland out. Obama is in Poland. There's an election in a week.

• 1:04:30Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  Obama's in Poland. I had a whistleblower.

• 1:04:33Tucker Carlson?

  Why do you think that is?

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:04:34Tucker Carlson?

  With Raydak Sikorski and Applebaum's husband.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  I had a whistleblower come into my office and they were telling me the story that every couple of months Samantha Powers would arrive with USAID money to this, this country. I won't say which one. And, and I said, you guys know who Samantha Powers is? Of course we do. She was arriving with the money and she was, and they knew it was a, you know, sort of the beginnings of a, of a, you know, color revolution. It's not lost on the world, right? It's not at all lost. The question, again, the question is, are we going to get all of it out? Are we going to name it and then hold some people accountable? People say, are you gonna walk people out in cuffs? Right now, I'd be happy to have just people know their names, right? I'd like the cuffs later if they commit a crime, but right now, people don't even know their names.

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  And the question is whether we can even get through the information storm that we're in to get that out.

• 1:05:25Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I mean, the early returns are not good. I mean, John F. Kennedy was murdered 62 years ago and we and the executive order from the president was January 23rd, two days after his inauguration, and we still do not have thousands of Kennedy assassination related documents. No one wants to say that. I voted for Trump. I love Trump. But like, what the hell is that?

• 1:05:44Speaker 02

  Well, that's not on my docket.

• 1:05:46Tucker Carlson?

  No, I know, but it's like, I know. It's the classification laws make it, well, don't make it, by the way. I mean, you can just rule by fiat, which I think someone needs to do immediately, but like, just classify, you know, release the documents or go into prison. How's that? But you can't even get 62 year old documents released months after a presidential executive order. Like, that's how hard it is to fight these classification rules.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  Well, and, and back to say it again, that's the big one you can see. How many are you not seeing?

• 1:06:23Tucker Carlson?

  That's it. That's exactly right.

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  That's right. I'm, I'm, that's, that's what I'm saying. This is not, this is still David versus Goliath.

• 1:06:28Tucker Carlson?

  And that's the lowest stakes of all, because no one connected is still alive.

• 1:06:32Speaker 02

  Right, right. Yeah, it's not, it's not, it's not Crossfire Hurricane, which, you know.

• 1:06:37Tucker Carlson?

  No, it's not 9/11. It's not the 2020 election. It's not COVID.

• 1:06:40Speaker 02

  COVID, right. Yeah, I was just gonna say, right.

• 1:06:42Tucker Carlson?

  So, I mean, how many people in your experience so far at DOJ have your mindset?

• 1:06:49Speaker 02

  Well, most of the ones I work with. I, I come out of the, I mostly work with the Dagoff, Dag's office, you know, that's Blanch and Amel Bove and some of those guys. They're, those guys, when, when they turned the lights on, on, on inauguration day, there was only a handful of us there. And those folks are, are in the mindset we're talking about.

• 1:07:09Tucker Carlson?

  What do career DOJ people think of you?

• 1:07:11Speaker 02

  Oh, no, no, they're, they're mostly scared. I mean, they're mostly scared and nervous. And if they're, if they're, if they're left leaning or, or establishment and don't want a part of it, that's one thing. But most of them are just, you know, they've seen this go on to on, right? Our side doesn't win ever. So you're not going to have people betting with the side that never wins, right? They're not like, they're not like, oh, my career will be better if I go with those guys this time. They're like, I did that for a minute back in, you know, 1985, and it didn't work out well, right? So.

• 1:07:37Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:07:38Speaker 02

  That's, that's the, that's the problem with that.

• 1:07:39Tucker Carlson?

  No, it's so true. It's so true. How corrupt is Merrick Garland, do you think?

• 1:07:44Speaker 02

  The only thing that makes me think he wasn't worse than you can even imagine is he has a bit of a Biden, Joe Biden kind of mentality. There was everything going around him and he wasn't checked in, it seems like to me, you know, I'm not saying he was mentally off, I'm saying he was, he was a caretaker and Lisa Monaco and others were running everything. So, you know, he was more, maybe, maybe I'm being too generous, he may have been more clueless than, than willful.

• 1:08:09Tucker Carlson?

  I'm not surprised.

• 1:08:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, but.

• 1:08:11Tucker Carlson?

  Like, like Mueller was that way too, I think.

• 1:08:14Speaker 02

  Oh, 100% guaranteed, yeah. And when history is written, you know, and I intend to write a whole bunch of it, Tucker, so when it's written, you know, you watch this, it accelerated under Obama, right? It used to be politicized, I think, and now it's weaponized. That's the pivot that went on, right? It used to be politicized, somebody's advantage or not. Bill Clinton, I think, maybe I'm being too generous, he was sort of politicizing things. It got weaponized, where they're destroying people, putting people in jail.

• 1:08:39Tucker Carlson?

  No question about it.

• 1:08:40Speaker 02

  Trying to kill them. Remember Obama joking about, "I'm good at killing people", right? There was, there was a sense of sort of, of, of real disrespect for humanity that kicked in.

• 1:08:50Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:08:51Speaker 02

  And it, and it kicked in and drove through that. That's what Biden, the Biden term is something we were, we barely escaped, in my opinion, in terms of that, that idea and that destruction of citizens.

• 1:09:01Tucker Carlson?

  Against humanity, I completely, I completely. What happened to Lisa Monaco?

• 1:09:05Speaker 02

  Well, I think she's at a big law firm. I think I probably, I think, I wrote to her. I wrote to her a letter and said, "What's going on? We want to check on things", you know. Yeah, she's at a big law firm, she's cycling out, it's all the same, you know, Andrew Weisman, Lisa Monaco, they, they all go, Lisa Monaco went to NYU recently, gave a speech, probably got paid for it, you know. You know, remember the Vindmans? Vindman got a job, the one in Congress, he got a job at Georgetown for a hundred grand. He didn't teach, but he was some sort of fellow or something. Again, back to Georgetown. It's just a cycle there, where they're all very well paid and they talk to each other and then they get ready for the next, you know, effort. Norm Eisen or whoever tells them, "This is the next way we're going." And so, you know, I think the, the good news is, we do have on our side the truth and we just got to keep fighting for it and, you know.

• 1:09:48Tucker Carlson?

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• 1:10:33Tucker Carlson?

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• 1:11:08Speaker 01

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• 1:11:53Tucker Carlson?

  So what's on your doc, what's on your

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  Everything on-

• 1:11:56Tucker Carlson?

  slated priorities?

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  Well, Attorney General Bondi, when we started the group, she was, she gave us some real straight marching on. Jack Smith, what he did, which is unbelievable, unbelievable. If you, anyway, the Catholics that were targeted, remember the Richmond memo?

• 1:12:10Tucker Carlson?

  Very well.

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  How did that happen? J6 is another one. Uh, there's a, one of her charges on the working group was whistleblowers, the whistleblowers that were targeted. Um, you know, you talk about weaponization, Tucker. Remember they, they, the guy that's in jail up in, I think is West Virginia, he, he supposedly Lone Ranger. He stole all the, uh, tax returns and he leaked Trump's, uh, remember he, he leaked Trump's, but nobody paid attention. He also leaked four or five or 600 or maybe a little more of the wealthiest people in America, uh, mostly conservatives. You know, it's funny how that happened. And then a whole bunch of small businesses, mostly conservative. And I, I got a briefing on that and I said, uh, this guy acted alone. He didn't tell anyone. And they're like, oh yeah, he's like Snowden. I'm like, are you joking? Are you really telling me he's like, somehow he's like the Snowden of IRS tax, uh, uh, you know, of, I said, cause this was weaponized.

• 1:12:55Speaker 02

  Remember it was, it was ProPublica that first he went to New York Times, then he went to ProPublica, which was going hammer and tongs, one after another, against all these people. Again, weaponizing American law against citizens. So, um, it's, uh, that's a bit of a digression, but to say the whistleblowers in the IRS and other places that came forward have been, uh, targeted under the Biden administration. So that's another thing that, uh, uh, Bondi has to do. School boards all across the country, when they targeted school board parents, that's another, uh, focus for us to look at. So, but we'll also be looking at, as I said, the, uh, uh, intelligence community and broader, right? We've got Crossfire Hurricane is still a big deal. Um, obviously getting to the bottom of that.

• 1:13:39Speaker 02

  They end up overlapping a lot, as you know, um, but, uh, there's a lot to do, a lot to do.

• 1:13:44Tucker Carlson?

  When are we going to see the Epstein stuff we were promised?

• 1:13:48Speaker 02

  That's another one I'm not where I am right now. I'm not.

• 1:13:51Tucker Carlson?

  You're not diving right into Epstein?

• 1:13:53Speaker 02

  Well, no, I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm happy to help in any way I can. I haven't been in on that. I've not been on that matter now.

• 1:13:59Tucker Carlson?

  Do you think the Attorney General Barr promised an investigation in Epstein's death in federal custody in Manhattan? We never got the results of that. Do you? Is there some way for the public to petition? Like, whatever happened to that?

• 1:14:12Speaker 02

  I don't think there's a way for the public to petition, but I think as you ask about it, people will respond. I guess I don't. I never saw that if there was a.

• 1:14:19Tucker Carlson?

  No, it was never. They never did the investigation.

• 1:14:21Speaker 02

  Oh, they didn't even do it?

• 1:14:22Tucker Carlson?

  I don't think they did. No.

• 1:14:23Speaker 02

  Oh, that's the first I've heard of it. I don't know. Again, I know that when I got into office, I wanted to talk about the pipe bomb and find out more about the pipe bomb. I also want somebody to, I'm going to get to the bottom of some of the January 6th. Remember the gallows, the fake gallows that were built? They're built by five guys who you can see them on video all over the place. Iconic image used to destroy America around the world, that somehow this was a gallows with a noose. Total fraud. Total fraud.

• 1:14:51Tucker Carlson?

  What happened to those guys?

• 1:14:52Speaker 02

  I don't know. We never found them. We never found them.

• 1:14:54Tucker Carlson?

  We never found those guys. In an age of facial recognition, we just can't find those guys?

• 1:14:58Speaker 02

  Can't find those guys. Can't find those guys.

• 1:15:00Tucker Carlson?

  The pipe bomb question is a really interesting one. And the only reason I think most of us know much about it is a guy called Darren Beatty, who now works at the State Department. Thank God. But who reported on extensively on revolver news. But that was so baffling and remains baffling because those bombs, whether they're real or not, were outside the two-party headquarters on Capitol Hill, RNC and DNC. So you'd think, like, politicians would really want to know, why the conspicuous incuriosity about that?

• 1:15:31Speaker 02

  I'm with Darren. I mean, before I was in office, I kept saying, how can this possibly be? If you go to any other part of the world and you say, the two major political parties had bombs put by their front door, it'd be the story forever, right? Sounds like, you know, just before World War II started, there were bombs placed somewhere, right? I mean, in front of the parties. So I never understood either. And the bombs were, you know, they were sort of rudimentary, but they clearly were. Somebody knew what they were doing for the look. I mean, again, it's information. It was an information. Whatever it is, it became a piece of information or a play or information that we haven't gotten to the bottom of. And.

• 1:16:05Tucker Carlson?

  But everyone's sort of like, yeah, whatever. The pipe bombs outside the party. It's, you know, whatever. We've got more important things to worry about. Really?

• 1:16:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. We'll get, we'll get there.

• 1:16:15Tucker Carlson?

  Will we ever know what happened in the 2020 election? The numbers were weird, I thought.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  Well, not just the numbers, all, everything about, characteristics of, of all of the election. And then there was the admissions that the election was fortified. It was intentionally planned to do that in, in such a way to get results that looked off. Now, does that mean they cheated? We don't have that smoking gun, but we certainly have over and over and over again, aspects of things that didn't look right. And we've never had the answers on it. So, yes, we will get to the bottom of it. Again, this is the point about the, about information. You cannot move ahead if you don't actually know what happened. And clearly, clearly, the mainstream media and the elites told us, you have to shut up. You're not allowed to talk about that. Right? It's insane.

• 1:17:06Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I, I remember.

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, we all remember it well. And then January 6th was used, in my opinion, to, to try to shut off the conversation even more, right?

• 1:17:13Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know.

• 1:17:14Speaker 02

  And so, but I do think we'll get to the bottom of it.

• 1:17:15Tucker Carlson?

  No, I played video that was from the US Senate, um, given to me by the US government. And everyone at Fox News was mad at me for playing the video. It's like, why, really? I thought we were a news company. Um, no, I, I remember that, uh, very, very well. Do you think that we will see people held accountable?

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:17:38Tucker Carlson?

  For this, okay.

• 1:17:39Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes. I mean, I, I wish it was faster. I, I feel the same frustration, right? Getting people arrested faster and prosecuted faster. You know, I wish it was fast. We're 120 days in, 115 days in. And, and where I sit, I can tell you, I was there pushing on key issues. I'm in the middle of a bunch of them. Judge Jeanine will keep them going. It's, it's harder than you think to move it fast enough. I agree with all that, but there will be accountability. There will be, the truth will be known. People will be accountable. And as importantly, by the way, people that have been damaged will be healed. They will be given the, they either pardons, like they've, the president's done for a lot of people, or other things. I think, you know, we have a, we have a set of people that are, that have been targeted by the government that deserve to be, uh, helped.

• 1:18:23Speaker 02

  And that's going to be part of this, guaranteed. Hmm.

• 1:18:27Tucker Carlson?

  Um.

• 1:18:28Speaker 02

  By the way, that did make a man. I will say this. People ask me in all my interviews at Senate, they said, are you for reparations? So, hey, that's a stupid term that was used about, but I am for when somebody gets wronged and destroyed by their government, that they be taken care of, that they, they try to make them whole insofar as they can. That's only fair. By the way, that's not Strzok and, and Page getting a million dollar payout, which is what they got. By the way, that's another form of weaponization of government when you have Biden administration and Strzok and Page transferring wealth to each other based on an agreement. That's completely, completely inappropriate.

• 1:19:02Tucker Carlson?

  On what basis did they get a million dollar settlement?

• 1:19:04Speaker 02

  They sued because they were heard about how their, their texts were released to the public and then the Biden administration.

• 1:19:09Tucker Carlson?

  My texts were released to the public? No one gave me a million dollars?

• 1:19:12Speaker 02

  Well, maybe give me, give me, oh no, give us a call. But, but so, so getting to the bottom of that kind of stuff, that kind of conduct is another part of this thing. So, um, it's, uh, but it will, it almost feels like it can never end because it's so, you know, the weaponization against the citizens began a long time ago, but we really started to see it under Biden and they, they, they accelerated the conduct. As you can see it, you can see the memos, you know, Merrick Garland, target the Catholics, right? And, and go after the school boards and, and Jack Smith. Jack Smith took, he used a grand jury in DC, which is famously, uh, uh, you know, favorable, yeah, favorable to the Democrats

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  to do almost all of his work. And then he flew down to Florida and basically transferred it down there. For lawyers, this is like unheard of stuff. And everybody goes, oh yeah, you know, Letitia James and these, the way the, the conduct happens and people go, oh yeah, you know, by the way, one, one thing too, Tucker, to preview, the lawyers, the bar associations and the targeting of lawyers is another way that they've weaponized government against people, you know, they, they, you know, you can say what you want about Rudy or something. We've never had the system weaponized against lawyers for doing their jobs, right? It's never been like that. Again, it's indication of something wrong with why are you so upset about the election?

• 1:20:36Tucker Carlson?

  There's a reason, exactly.

• 1:20:37Speaker 02

  But also, it's also inappropriate as a matter of public policy. Those organizations are all 501(c)(3)'s, they're all protected by law, they're all basically monopolies, right? So you're sitting here where you got the DC bar disciplinary council is basically doing Dick Durbin's bidding. Every time Dick Durbin says something, he'll bench a complaint against me, he'll do it against Judge Jeanine. And you're like, wait a second, this is not the system that we're supposed to have. So it's another one that's weaponized, the weaponization of the law against the citizens to the detriment of the country.

• 1:21:08Tucker Carlson?

  I've known a number of smart, high testosterone, reform minded people who come to DC to make things better who get destroyed.

• 1:21:17Speaker 02

  Well.

• 1:21:19Tucker Carlson?

  Right?

• 1:21:20Speaker 02

  You've been reading the Washington Post.

• 1:21:21Tucker Carlson?

  I haven't been, I haven't read it in years.

• 1:21:25Tucker Carlson?

  But I've just seen this happen to a lot of people. So, I mean, just on the basis of what you said over the last hour, I think you're going to be the target for, you know, a lot of efforts to destroy you.

• 1:21:36Speaker 02

  It's been going on though for a while. I mean, maybe, I mean, look, Phyllis Schlafly, for whom I worked, there's this famous exchange where she's giving a speech and she says Clarence Thomas said to her, how do you keep going, Phyllis? You know, she said, how do you keep, he said, and she said, there's a prayer, she says, you know, and she would always say, from the malignant enemy, defend me. It's one of the Catholic prayers, you know, and, you know, look, we're so blessed, you know, you have the same attitude to be in this country, to have so many opportunities and people deserve, our families deserve to have a future. And so this is the fight that we're in and, you know, they've said terrible things for about a month. My wife doesn't watch TV, which is great, doesn't read the papers, thank God.

• 1:22:19Speaker 02

  My kids do a little bit now and they're not quite as convinced that I'm as good a guy as I told them I was before. But no, no, it's a, it's a, it's a battle, it's a, it's a fight for the future. And so some of us are going to take a bit of a beating and we'll keep going.

• 1:22:35Tucker Carlson?

  You wonder where this is going. I mean, if Obama weaponized the government against people who didn't vote for him and Joe Biden brought it to the next level and just threw hundreds in prison. What's the next Democratic administration going to look like?

• 1:22:50Speaker 02

  Well, that's that's fair. I thought you were going to say something different. You know, the one thing I tell people all the time is one of the reasons you have to care to deescalate the rhetoric is it is leading, you can see it's leading to, I mean, people are spitting on me on the sidewalk, right? This is not, this is not normal behavior.

• 1:23:08Tucker Carlson?

  Mr. Mason, who you were, that tells you a lot.

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  Well, that's a, yes.

• 1:23:13Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, I know you were, but I, because I follow this stuff, but like.

• 1:23:16Speaker 02

  But I think that the, it's, it can lead to, when, when, when people start to lose power, you see the desperation, right? You see the, and, and to me, that's what, that's the one thing you start to notice. And so, yes, it could be really terrible on a Democrat administration. Imagine, you know, what it's like for, you know, President Rahm Emanuel, when he puts in, you know, Attorney General, I don't know, Adam Schiff, and what the heck's that's like? It feels like we've gone to the bottom and maybe, you know, finish a thought that I had earlier that I didn't get to finish, which is, it feels like a lot of people that were good people before, you know, 100 years ago, again, back to the 100 years ago, good

• 1:24:00Speaker 02

  people, just had good morals, cared about each other, fight, fight, fight, but be honorable on the same side. That doesn't seem as common right now, right? That there's some people that really are not good people, that are just disagreeing. They're really not good people. And that's dangerous, right? That feels, you can feel that sometimes. And I think that's a worry. But it's something that we have to live with and work through and pray about and try to build the community about to see.

• 1:24:26Tucker Carlson?

  Ed Martin, I really appreciate all of this.

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  Great to be with you.

• 1:24:29Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you very much.

• 1:24:31Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:24:35Tucker Carlson?

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