Jocko Underground: When To Walk Away From Your Significant Other. And Don't Look Back.

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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 210, and sitting here with Echo Charles. We've received some questions from the field. And we have some answers, some recommendations, and some courses of action for you. So let's get into it.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  Cool. Yeah, the first question. Hello, I've been struggling with this, with the balance between quote unquote, "walk away" and "don't look back" and taking ownership after a breakup. My ex was using kratom products, which I think contributed to his mental health issues. He started having sleeping problems, hallucinations, saying he could see demons, and started having, and then delusional beliefs about those hallucinations. I was trying to get him professional help, but one day, while taking off the bedding to wash, I found his loaded gun under his pillow pointed at my side of the bed. He dismissed my concern about it, so

• 0:57Speaker 01

  I tried turning it away from me or putting it in the nightstand, but he kept putting it back under the pillow and pointed it towards me. I felt unsafe, so I decided to leave. I told both his brother and his pastor the full story and asked them to help him, and I've cut off communication. But I've wondered if walking away and not looking back is the right call for situations like this, or if I need to take more ownership and action to get him help. Sometimes I've been, I even wonder if I should have stayed. My friends have varied opinions, and I go back and forth. So, could you please offer advice about breaking up with someone who has addiction or mental health struggles? Is it the same breakup protocol, or is it different?

• 1:43Jocko Willink?

  No, it's not different. And you don't need to do anything else here. This is a totally unsafe situation with a mentally unstable person that is hallucinating about demons and has firearms.

• 1:58Jocko Willink?

  There's, this is, this is go away and stay away. Do not look back, do not, this is terrible, terrible situation. Thankfully you got out of it and carry on with your life. And, and, and just keep this in mind too. This interesting temptation to quote, unquote, help them. Will actually just hurt them more. It's going to enable their behavior. It's going to give them a false sense of hope. Uh, it's going to put you at more risk. It keeps them in a codependent, like unhealthy mental state. It's just not good across the board. So you absolutely just do not communicate with this person ever again.

• 2:41Jocko Willink?

  If you feel so compelled out of the goodness of your heart, that you have some care. Then do it through like a third party cutout. Like a couple of degrees of separation. Like if you want to call someone who can call the cops to check on him. So the cops are a cutout and then the person that you called is a cutout and it's never going to get back to you. But even that I would barely, I wouldn't recommend it. I think you need to break away, break contact completely. Uh, this person should never hear your name again. That's just the way it is. And they certainly should not see your face or hear your voice or anything like that.

• 3:26Jocko Willink?

  And as far as taking ownership goes. You've already taken ownership. You recommended mental health. You reported what was going on to his brother and his pastor. And that's the right thing to do. That's how you take ownership. Taking ownership is not getting yourself killed. That is not the right thing to do. If someone is drowning and you jump in the water and you drown too, you have not helped that person.

• 3:59Jocko Willink?

  So taking ownership of this situation means that you know that you've done what you can and you need to walk away and not look back. Taking ownership means knowing that there's nothing else you can do.

• 4:12Jocko Willink?

  You're not going to help this individual with their mental problems. You're not going to be able to. That's not your job. That's not your world.

• 4:21Jocko Willink?

  So that's where you're at. Do not destroy your own life to try and save someone that needs to take ownership of their own life.

• 4:34Jocko Willink?

  So the protocol is not different. Walk away. Don't look back.

• 4:41Jocko Willink?

  That's what I got. It's pretty straightforward.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  So you've heard of kratom?

• 4:45Jocko Willink?

  You know, I've heard of it, but I don't really know too much about it. I believe it's, isn't it something that you can buy in like a 7-Eleven or something like that?

• 4:53Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't know.

• 4:54Jocko Willink?

  Okay. Well, I don't know. I thought it was one of those kind of semi-legal drugs, or at least it was legal when it first came out or something like that.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:02Jocko Willink?

  But I don't even know what it does.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, from what I understand, which is not much, it's some kind of like stimulant type scenario, like people who work out, I think, use it sometimes, you know, like a pre-workout or I don't know, something like, that's the context I have heard it, but. But yeah, gems you up real bad. From what I understand, like super addictive, like physiologically addictive. So like, if you get off of it, you have like these weirdo withdrawal stuff, like symptoms and stuff like that. Like bad, like, not the kind of like you get off coffee or something like this, and then you get like some headaches or something. It's not that. It's like way worse, you know, it's like that kind. So it's like kind of dangerous from what I understand, but I never even heard of until like, probably like a month ago.

• 5:42Jocko Willink?

  I heard of it, I think, when it kind of made it into the news and the reason it was in the news was, it was something that hadn't been declared illegal yet. You know what I'm saying? Someone invented a new drug?

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Like a gray area.

• 5:54Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, it was a gray area and then they kind of made it illegal, from what I understand. But I don't know too much about it.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:01Jocko Willink?

  But apparently, if it's giving you hallucinations where you see demons, like it's bad. And this is not a good situation for this woman to be in at all, so.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, could be the kind where you might have had some pre-existing conditions.

• 6:17Jocko Willink?

  Oh, for sure.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  You know? Yeah, seems like a red flag.

• 6:20Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, if you have pre-existing mental health issues and then you go. So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground Podcast. So if you want to continue to listen,

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