Former Green Beret on Doomsday Prepping, Potential Revolution, and What to Do When Chaos Erupts

With World War III looming, are you prepared for the worst possible scenario? Former Green Beret Mike Glover on how to prepare to survive on your own. (00:00) How to Prepare in the Face of Mass Surveillance (08:59) The Growing Revolution Against Surveillance and Data Centers (13:51) Kevin O’Leary’s Data Centers (41:31) Marriage, Women, and Managing Your Sympathetic Nervous System (53:16) How AI Is Making Us Dumb and Docile Paid partnerships with: Ethos: Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos. Get up to $3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes at https://ethos.com/TUCKER Paleovalley: Use code TUCKER & get 20% off your first order at https://www.paleovalley.com/tucker American Financing: NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org. Average savings based on borrowers who save over $199.99. Call 800-685-5696 or visit http://www. AmericanFinancing.net/Tucker. Dose: Daily supplements for the systems that support you. Use code TUCKER for 35% at https://dosedaily.co/tucker Last Country Supply: No one knows what will happen next. Make sure you’re prepared at https://lastcountrysupply.com/tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:33Tucker Carlson?

  Mike Glover, thank you for doing this. Congrats on the book.

• 0:36Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 0:37Tucker Carlson?

  You made a point. Many people talk about preparedness. Some are probably not qualified to talk about it. I think you are. But you've made a point I've not heard anybody else make. And that is that we're clearly witnessing the construction of a much more technologically advanced security and surveillance state in our country. That's clear. But that we need to prepare ourselves in the face of that. And I've never heard anybody say that. And I think it's a really interesting idea. And so I hope you'll explain it in depth. But to begin, can you describe what's being constructed now? And what you think it means?

• 1:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it's, it has a lot to do with the incentives that are driving the entire apparatus. The institutions, all of them, are built off of scale, growth, all these metrics. And most of the institutions that are tethered to people have financial incentives and incentives to grow annually from October to October. And what I see happening, especially with a lot of the institutions.

• 1:42Tucker Carlson?

  That's smart.

• 1:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, they exist in order to keep you tethered to them. So imagine like the analogy I use is like the umbilical cord. Everybody is tethered to the umbilical cord. I mean, your water and your power, for example, are tethered to the system, the infrastructure of the city or town that you live in. If something collapses, there's no contingency for anything independently to happen.

• 2:11Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 2:12Speaker 02

  Because the institution supposedly has a contingency plan. Well, what if they don't? Right? The idea of firefighters and policemen, they patrol your neighborhoods because you pay taxes and you have buy-in, collective buy-in, that they're going to take care of you. But we understand from catastrophe that, you know, when seconds count, both of those first responders, including EMS professionals, are minutes away. They, they, they're not going to be there in enough time. If it's the self-defense shooting, if it's the car accident, they're really there picking up the pieces in many cases. And so the idea for me is like, I want people to be self-reliant. I just want them to have independence.

• 2:56Speaker 02

  You know, I have a well, for example. Not everybody could have a well in their backyard. I get that. But there are other elements to this where you can have independence. Protein from the grocery store. I mean, you go to the grocery store, you buy protein. It's in a nice styrofoam container with sulaphane and pig gel. You have no idea where it came from. So I want you to in-source your dependence and become more self-reliant. Well, if you have an institution that by design, in the name of safety, for example, is surveilling you, they're telling you, and now private companies are telling you through the subcontract, they're telling you that we're going to make you safer. And so you don't need to do anything. And I actually just connected this thought

• 3:40Speaker 02

  because we were having breakfast and I was, I was talking about it. Like I, I gave the analogy of like walking to Target, right? I'm walking to a bad guy's house. In some cases, because of the technology integrated, I didn't have to pull security. So I'm, I'm holding a rifle, like using my infrared floodlight and laser to go around every single bush and tree. Because I'm like, there's something behind there. The aircraft above me that costs millions of dollars has a FLIR pod that could assess heat. And so there would be the case where it says, hey, there's no need to pull security walking to the objective. We got you. And then a guy is buried underneath foliage or a palm grove.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  And then he detonates a suicide vest and kills your whole team because you weren't paying attention. So that's the analogy that I, I say about this integration of tech. The more it grows, the larger it gets, the more reliant you are on that system. And the more your personal safety is actually compromised.

• 4:42Tucker Carlson?

  So, so I think there are two insights in what she just said that I hadn't really occurred to me. One, it's the nature of the system, like cancer, to grow. It just, that's, that's encoded in the DNA of all of these systems is growth. That's the center of our kind of business model, national business model, scale.

• 5:01Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:02Tucker Carlson?

  So like Flock, for example. I don't even know where Flock existed until fairly recently. What's the growth of Flock been like?

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, 2017 Flock camera, because it's camera, it's singular. It was just a camera for an HOA.

• 5:19Tucker Carlson?

  A homeowners association.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  A homeowners association. And the idea was like, let's build this camera. Let's tether solar to it to keep it generated and see how this works. Well, here we are nine years later in scale. And there's not real good numbers because they don't advertise the numbers. But the estimate today is there's 120,000 Flock cameras across the United States. So the intention was like, hey, this neighborhood watch wants to put out a camera because there's some things going on with HOA. And then we scale it nine years later. It's 120,000 with billions of reports every single month that take place with license plates and vehicles and descriptions, et cetera. Now, if you look at that scale as it's kind of like segmented,

• 6:06Speaker 02

  because other companies are getting smart. Like, again, if I start a company, the, the point is to scale, to grow, to compete. So now we have a competing market of Flock-like camera systems. So in the case of California.

• 6:19Tucker Carlson?

  Without the damage brand name.

• 6:20Speaker 02

  Without the damage brand name. You know, I was thinking about this when I was, when I was actually coming here because every time I drive through my town of Heber City, Utah, there are a couple of points in town where if you drive through the intersection, you'll drop cellphone reception. And every time I drop cellphone reception, and I'm no signal intelligence or signal communications expert, I drive through the intersection, I see a Flock camera as soon as my cellphone drops. And I'm like, I wonder why that is. Maybe it's interference. Maybe it's not even real. But I'm noticing more Flock cameras in my, in my area. Well, Flock would only have to change the form factor and the company name. Now, thanks to public outcry and the attention it's deservingly getting,

• 7:04Speaker 02

  it's not likely to do that clandestinely. It's going to be leaked and people are going to talk about it. I'll be talking about it. But the, the scale that I'm seeing now, for example, in California and Texas, is now, there are camera systems operating, for example, looking for violations of code. So imagine you live in a neighborhood.

• 7:25Tucker Carlson?

  Code violation?

• 7:26Speaker 02

  So code violations, like you have a RV parked in your driveway and you're not supposed to, right? By the way, like, if, if anybody's tracking these, these stories, most of the code violations they're finding are happening in impoverished areas. Where like, they don't have an HOA that's managing, you know, pulling up in front of somebody's driveway and saying, oh, you have an RV in your parking lot, that's not allowed. And, and the guy's like, yeah, no problem. I'll just move my RV. Most of it's not RVs. It's damaged fences, it's mailboxes that are ripped down because it's all poor neighborhoods. So apparently they found thousands of code violations in a couple of days, actually bragging about it. Like, we found all these code violations and now we can wrangle them in.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  Okay, it wasn't a problem before, but now, now you built the infrastructure to, to, to look at it and assess it. Now it's a big problem.

• 8:20Tucker Carlson?

  You've created a lot more criminals.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  You, you've created a lot more criminals. And so it's the idea, like, the, the idea isn't what's happening now. Because right now, it's like, yeah, there's problems. In fact, I have a thesis or theory on what's going to happen. But when you look at scale, Facebook was designed to be a social, interactive way for college students to communicate with one another. Now they just settled a lawsuit for like $14 billion for child exploitation. So where have we come in scale? Well, we didn't know we were going to land at child exploitation. We're looking at integrating dorm rooms to be able to communicate with one another. So if we look at scale today and how things evolve, this year alone, actually, 107 different.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  Reported, there's probably more situations where flock cameras were damaged. And when you take 107, in some cases, dozens of flock cameras, cameras were damaged.

• 9:21Tucker Carlson?

  Vandalized.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  Vandalized. So there's reports of this happening because people are upset.

• 9:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 9:28Speaker 02

  How does this evolve? Well, in my personal opinion, I think it evolves where, you know, we think about civil war. I don't think there's going to be a civil war against people because it's not the people that are the problem. It's the institutions, the relationship with people. And when people look at tech, it's a bot. There is no victim. When I take down a flock camera and destroy it with a baseball bat, there's no victim. I'm doing good and I'm not advocating for anybody to do this, to break the law. But what I'm saying is the scale of how this evolves is rebellion. Because everything that's being integrated before, like Facebook from 2004 to present scaled.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  Except we don't need 20 years of scale. When you have AI acceleration and then the power, I think the benefit in one of the powers of social media of advancing information across and disseminating across the globe. You see the potential of mass spikes in this graph whereby you're going to have a lot of rebellion, insurgency, like you've never seen it before. Patriotism, like you've never seen it before, fighting the systems that are basically trying to take away humanity.

• 10:49Tucker Carlson?

  You're getting me really excited.

• 10:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:51Tucker Carlson?

  Mike Glover, I have to say. Sorry. Not that I'm endorsing any.

• 10:55Speaker 02

  That's a thesis. It's a theory. My hypothesis.

• 10:58Tucker Carlson?

  This is best case, just say, where all of a sudden the country unites, the people unite against the machines? How is that not like utopia?

• 11:07Speaker 02

  They, they will.

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  Pretty good. I, I personally think that we're years, it's happening now, by the way. There's pockets of resistance of people together doing things like, hey, where are the flock cameras? Where are all the systems? Let's surveil the people who are actually doing it. And they're not hurting people.

• 14:13Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 14:13Speaker 02

  They're just demonstrating that this is wrong and they're combating it. Because legislatively, there is no solution. And that's my biggest fear, by the way, because I've never been a political guy. I can care less about what's going on in the White House. Because it's not because I, you shouldn't pay attention to what's happening policy wise. You should, you should be informed. But my reality revolves around my family, my love of God and my community. The fear I have now is for the first time in my life, I'm seeing in Utah, a great state to live in. Like one of my, my favorite state, because I live there, I love it. I love the people of Utah. But for the first time, I'm seeing people like in Elder Box County

• 14:57Speaker 02

  or people in Ogden Valley, fighting against property tax, fighting against data centers. And the politicians that are appointed, elected in those positions aren't listening for the first time. Like I was like, well, obviously when, you know, for five hours, people protest and say, we don't want this. They're, they're, they're members of the community that were elected by the people in that community. They're not going to follow through with that. That's my biggest fear because I always tell people like you fight for your faith and your family and your community. I got a shirt that says God, family, prepping in that order.

• 15:34Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 15:35Speaker 02

  And so the fear is now it's like institutionally, the federal government doesn't have a lot of impact on your life. It can, I'm a veteran, I do a VA, it does. But the reality is the things that are going on in your backyard are more significant that you should be invested in. And for the first time, I'm seeing people combat, argue, legislate, and they're getting crushed. I mean, Ogden Valley's property tax went up 500%. Like what? Like 500%? That's not nominal. That's not like a small number. That's a big number for working families.

• 16:08Tucker Carlson?

  You'll lose your house over that.

• 16:10Speaker 02

  You'll lose your house over that. Um, and so I'm seeing that.

• 16:14Tucker Carlson?

  And so when people confronted local legislative, you know, the city council or whomever runs it, the local officials, they just ignored them.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  Boxer County is a good example, this data center that Kevin Leary.

• 16:27Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  Um, got behind. Look, I, there's, I don't, the estimate is wild because it's thousands of data centers, but there's no real like exact number. The estimate's 45,000. So if we take data centers that exist, the, the one that exists, I forget what county, it's in Utah, that Meta owns, they're like advancing that and making it very large. I'm talking about, you know, it's like, I think it's like millions of acres. It's like massive, like massive build. Boxer County, they didn't stop the project after all the outcry of support from the community and the entire state of Utah, and really the country that was like, what are you guys doing? They're like, it's in the middle of a field.

• 17:12Speaker 02

  There's nothing there, but the people of Utah don't want that. So why are you doing it? And they continue to fight it. And I checked in yesterday on this project. I talk about it nearly every other week on my show, on my podcast, and it's still going forward. And you're like, how is that possible? Like, who are the people that are supporting this? Where are they at? Where are their voices at? And what is, what is their justification? And then you find out there's like backdoor deals and a whole bunch of drama around it.

• 17:40Tucker Carlson?

  Um, and bribery.

• 17:42Speaker 02

  And bribery and everything else. And so it, it, even for me in Heber City in Wasatch County, which I think is the best county in Utah, where I live, I'm disconnected from that. But soon you may feel the same. You're like, it doesn't matter because it's down the road or it's across the state or it's in another state. Eventually, because of the scale, the hyperscale of everything we're doing, it could be in your backyard next week. That flock camera that you talk about and you virtue signal about because you're like, yeah, screw flock cameras. It's like, it might be at the intersection where you live, pointing at your house. Because they do that. They, they point them at little girls gymnastics events, which, you know, the CEO is catching crap for, which he should.

• 18:26Speaker 02

  And it's like, what are you guys doing? And then when it does populate, what are you going to do? Well, if you're not prepared, you don't have a plan. They're not integrated in your community because you're just kind of checked out. Well, that's, that's a problem because all your self reliance that you've outsourced so easily is, is going to be affected and impacted.

• 18:48Tucker Carlson?

  So that's the second insight that really struck me in your thesis, which is that technology is not simply a threat because of what it might do to you, what it might compel you to do or prevent you from doing. It's a threat because it weakens you.

• 19:04Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 19:05Tucker Carlson?

  Because you become reliant on it. It's, it's like the Google map program, you know? And you just like use that for 10 years and see if you know where you are.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 19:17Tucker Carlson?

  And I mentioned this to you before, we were talking about this at breakfast and you're the greatest line ever. You said, after using Google Maps, you'll just like follow the line they give you under a sidewalk. You did, you'll drive through a shopping mall because you're just following it.

• 19:28Speaker 02

  It says, there's the line there. And it's, it's, it's true. I mean, if you, if you think about it from this perspective, my, my experience is obviously the military. I always in special operations and I was a sniper at one point. When I was a team sergeant, had a group full of, a team full of like rock stars, right? And they were all independently schooled in sniper operations. They had to go to special forces sniper course, which used to be called SODIC, Special Operations Target Interdiction Course. Uh, Delta snipers, um, special forces snipers, Ranger snipers. In some cases, go to this schoolhouse to be qualified.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  All my guys were qualified and meaning they were very competent in sniper operations. They knew how to use a sniper weapon system. At one point. For some reason, and likely it came top down, I was told, hey, we want to put a camera in your optic. And I was like, for what? Like, why do you, why do you want a camera in the optic? It's like, oh, we want to be able to see it. There's this technology and it integrates into the tactical operations center and we could see it. And then I'm like, yeah, but I'm on comms. So if you think you're going to micromanage my snipers through a camera with communications,

• 20:56Speaker 02

  there's latency there. And one, it's no, but two, I don't want this to ever happen. I don't want my sniper to second guess his actions because he's being viewed for a viewfinder. And because you don't like something you see, you try to communicate, let's not do that. That latency will get my sniper killed. Like, let's not do that. And then it never happened. But that's an example of how this integration always works. I mean, here's a, here's a great example. The healthcare system, right? The healthcare system buy-in is that if you want to get through a difficult circumstance, a bacterial infection, a stomach ache that

• 21:41Speaker 02

  requires, I don't know, penicillin, you have to go through a process, an entire system. So our grandmothers, our fathers might have taught us about holistic medicine, like independence. That's what it was. Actually, holistic medicine was just a requirement because it was life 100 years ago. You had to be resilient because it was just life, right?

• 22:03Tucker Carlson?

  There was no pharma.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  There was, there was not, there was no big pharma. There was no big healthcare systems. You had to take care of yourself and your family. You had to figure it out. So when you look at, for example, the healthcare system, I actually just heard this last night flying here. Um, the third leading cause of death, according to this podcast between Huberman and Rogan, which is a great podcast, by the way, dropped yesterday, that podcast, they talked about a number of how many people were killed because of medical malpractice, died because of medical malpractice in one year. 251,000 people, according to

• 22:44Tucker Carlson?

  Americans?

• 22:45Speaker 02

  Americans.

• 22:46Tucker Carlson?

  A quarter million Americans died in one year because of

• 22:48Speaker 02

  Quarter million Americans. So according to, again, you guys could look this up, according to the statistic they pulled up by John Hopkins. And I'm like, okay. And then I was asking the question in my head, where does that rank in leading causes of death?

• 23:01Tucker Carlson?

  But that's like, that's a city.

• 23:02Speaker 02

  That's a city. That's top three. That's actually the third leading cause of death, if it was actually reported. But it's not reported because John Hopkins had to do the independent survey to look at the statistics. But if you integrate it, it's right behind cardiovascular or, or basically, you know, any cardiovascular disease, which is the main killer in America, and cancer. I think it would be lower respiratory disease would be in the third place slot, if it wasn't for 250 plus thousand people dying because of medical malpractice.

• 23:35Tucker Carlson?

  Come on!

• 23:36Speaker 02

  Which is wild, right? So think about the efficiency of the systems we depend on. If you knew that you went into a hospital late at night, and they talked about this, they articulated this, when a doctor has been on shift for 12 hours, which is, he's technically drunk when he's on shift for 12 hours. I mean, you can't drive in some cases because you're so impaired. I mean, so he's making decisions, life or death decisions, and 250 plus thousand people, 251,000 people apparently die every year because of it. So again, the institution is meant to protect you in the name of safety, national security, whatever it may be. But the reality is because institutions, I like this idea, men are sinners.

• 24:21Speaker 02

  Every man is a sinner. We all fall short. When you align that into an institution, according to Bible, the, the institution is for good. You're supposed to have it for good. The government is for good. But what it does, I don't think, I don't think institutions are evil. I think people are inherently flawed and have no other expectation that they're not. And then eventually the truth reveals itself.

• 24:45Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  So all these institutions that we hope the best for, like many of my good friends say, hope is not a course of action. Eventually, the truth reveals itself and they're broken. Now, the problem is, what do we do with broke system, broken systems? That's another question. But the reality is the dependency you have on these systems across every single facet of the umbilical cord connected is failing. So maybe the better analogy is like, the umbilical cord is connected to the mom who just started smoking crack. And if you want to prolong this, yeah, we know what that looks like. We know the outcome. So you need to cut the umbilical cord and you need to start insourcing your own reliance in order

• 25:30Speaker 02

  to survive. And, and I, and I say that, and I mean it, I mean, survive. Because more of your dependency, where people go, well, Mike, you just call 911. Yeah, but you'd be dead. Yeah, but what else would I do? Oh, that's where our conversation on preparedness starts.

• 25:45Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, I feel like we should have learned this during COVID. We probably should have learned it during Hurricane Katrina, you know, 21 years ago. You know, natural disaster occurs in a major American city and the people whose job it is to help you just melt away because they've got their own family problems.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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• 27:37Tucker Carlson?

  So, but anyway, but certainly COVID, where if you followed the official guidance, your chance of dying went up, obviously, or of permanent injury went up. So we're now on the cusp of technological change. It's like, the one thing we know about it, it's going to empower those systems. It's going to make them, give them more control than they currently have. So what do you, what do you, like, how do you prepare? How do you become more self-reliant in the face of that?

• 28:09Speaker 02

  Well, I think the, the easiest way to kind of start it is have a conversation with your family, the ones you love, and, and actually circumnavigate a deliberate intentional plan to disconnect. And look, I, I started teaching modern survival. I'm not a primitive survival expert. I joke about it. It's like, I'm not going to teach you to survive when you're naked and afraid in the woods. Because if you're naked and afraid in the woods, you've made a lot of mistakes, right? You've screwed up a lot.

• 28:42Tucker Carlson?

  Why are you naked in the woods? That's a fair, you know, that's a totally fair question, Mike.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. So everybody thinks survival is like the Naked and Afraid show and all these things. It's like, survival for me is like the modern take on it.

• 28:52Tucker Carlson?

  Well, if you're naked in the woods alone, it's also weird.

• 28:54Speaker 02

  It's also weird.

• 28:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 28:55Speaker 02

  There's a lot of things that can get you. And so I don't, I look at that and I go, look, a modern survival take on this is you need to look at all the institutions you're tethered to and figure out ways to start segmenting yourself away from them and building your dependency. I mean, it's why I advocate, for example, for homeschool. My kids right now are in a great school in the public education system in Utah for elementary school. But when they get through the basics of arithmetic and everything else, and they're advancing into social studies, I don't want them learning about things that I want them learning about.

• 29:35Speaker 02

  So I'd like to homeschool them. We talked about protein. If you don't, if you, if you don't in-source your protein and there's any infrastructure threats whatsoever, which there are all the time, I mean, diesel's higher than it's ever been. The infrastructure could have one impact or catastrophe and the entire apparatus shuts down. I talk about this every week on Survival Dispatch with a group of guys who are experts at this. And the, the general consensus is that one little thing can affect the outcome of all the things that you're tethered to. So the Walmart down the road has a couple weeks of supply. What happens when everybody goes, we learned this from COVID, and gets everything off the shelf?

• 30:18Speaker 02

  It's empty. What happens if the, the truck that's driving down, they strike? The war in Iran accelerates and that entire apparatus gets cut off? Then you don't have any food. If you don't hunt, if you don't know how to hunt, if you've never gone fishing, if you haven't in-sourced anything, maybe it's a good time to like, sit down and have the conversation with your family and just start there with some basics. It's not that complicated.

• 30:46Tucker Carlson?

  You mentioned homeschooling at first. So that's a lot, that's a much more complex system than say, getting protein, like you could stockpile. Conceivably, a year's worth of protein in your garage, it's not that hard, you could buy it on Amazon. But you're thinking about separating yourself from like, a pretty basic system, like education, public education.

• 31:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. Public education is, is an easy one because we know all the Drama that's happened over the last few years, especially with COVID, even with COVID, California, they destroyed these kids, likely long-term because they kept them out of schools and social settings and kept them isolated. I mean, like basically putting your children in solitary, actually putting somebody else's children in solitary environment. And we know that that's having long-term effects. Our public education system is garbage. It's disgusting. I mean, I'm proud of Utah's public education system because I'm integrated. I have conversations with the principals of these schools. I talk and walk them through the, their security plan. I want to know because I don't want my children to be in

• 31:50Speaker 02

  Uvalde. Another reason why, you know, it aggravates me that we have this dependency when parents are trying to get into the school to save their kids and you're keeping them out because you're going to contain the area and just let these kids die. Right? So the school system is, is, is a, is a bigger problem. But when I look at like, uh, all the elements, for me, it starts with security because security is like very intimately a part of my military experience. It's something I was taught as a 17-year-old infantryman. You never violate security. It's one of the principles of patrolling. And when I think about security,

• 32:32Speaker 02

  how many people are secure? I mean, the majority of people are not secure. Meaning, how many people know what to do when somebody kicks in their door in the middle of the night? What do you do when somebody comes up to you and threatens you with a gun? What do you say? What are your actions? How do you manage that stress? What happens after the fact? Like, these are all questions that are just potentially part of like the worst part of life, the catastrophe in life, but we never look at them.

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• 34:29Tucker Carlson?

  example, but, and some people, obviously, are hurt by that. But over time, they, they regrow. The threat, it seems to me, is the initial spasm of chaos. So what do you do? Like, so you're at your house, and there's an EMP, and there's no more electronic communications. Do you stay in place? Like, what, what is the actual protocol for the moment of crisis?

• 34:54Speaker 02

  It's a, it's a real good question. And I'll, let me back, I'll walk you through this, but I'm going to back you up to a case study, and an, and an understanding of how this works. Virginia Tech, 2007.

• 35:07Tucker Carlson?

  I was there.

• 35:08Speaker 02

  Remember?

• 35:09Tucker Carlson?

  I was physically there when it happened.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  Did you do the reporting on it?

• 35:11Tucker Carlson?

  I did.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. Tragic circumstance, right?

• 35:14Tucker Carlson?

  Unbelievable.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  This, this guy walks into this hall, it's basically dorm rooms, kills two people. He leaves that place, and this is fascinating because a massive error by Virginia Tech, two hours later, he goes into another building that has school still in session.

• 35:36Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 35:37Speaker 02

  And it's obvious that they should have locked down and shut down the school. They did not. So he goes into this building, and class is in session, and he locks and chains the doors behind them. And he goes from room to room, killing every single student and faculty member he comes across. In some rooms, he goes through, and the, the percentage of people who were shot in the head, for example, was above 90%. The overwhelming majority of them were basically assassinated, killed in place. The acronym for an active shooting is Run, Hide, Fight. There's many problems with that acronym, including the

• 36:17Speaker 02

  idea that, where are you running? Maybe assess the information or the situation. I would hate for you to like, lock yourself down in a building that's a mile away from where the shooting's taking place, on the same campus, by the way, because campuses could be that large. So you just lock yourself down, you know, run and hide into a closet a mile away from this while something's happening, when you could have just ran an extra 100 feet to the parking lot and got in your car and drove away? Anyways. So, most of them died underneath their desk. And part of the problem was, there's many problems, but the protocols were the problems. Many students had no plan. They didn't know what to do.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  And so they shut the doors, and then barricaded them, because they, in some cases, couldn't even lock the doors. He just went in and shot up the door, and then opened the door and forced his way in, and then killed many people in those rooms. 32 people before, you know, afterwards, he took his own life. When we look at that circumstance, there's an interesting thing that happened that's noted in Amanda Ripley. She wrote a book called Unthinkable, I believe it was called. A really good book. And she talks about this one student underneath the desk, who thought, he, he thought he was shot. So he, he says in a

• 37:42Speaker 02

  reflex about this, that when the shooter came in, he was so scared, he didn't know what to do, so he, he froze. And he, he thought to himself that, I'm going to pretend like I'm dead. He, he thought he thought that. And so he did. And then, he thinks he was bypassed. And then, everyone in that classroom subsequently was shot, many died, and a couple survived. At the end of it, when it was time to move, he couldn't move. He physically could not move his body. And he thought to himself, I was shot. I, I just don't remember or know when it happened. I was shot. And the point of that is, he wasn't shot. And

• 38:24Speaker 02

  what, what we often don't assess in these type of scenarios, is how the nervous system operates.

• 38:31Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  Right? There's something called hyperarousal. And I'm actually writing a book about this for my second book.

• 38:37Tucker Carlson?

  A book about hyperarousal?

• 38:39Speaker 02

  About, yeah, about, not that type of hyperarousal, but fight or flight. It's got a really bad rap. There's a stigma associated with it, because it's like, you don't want to go into fight or flight because it's bad. Everybody potentially will go in fight or flight. I did, in Afghanistan, my first gunfight, because it actually wasn't a gunfight, it was 107-millimeter rockets. And nobody prepared me for that, like a freight train impacting the earth with a large kill radius that was super loud and scary, and like, everybody's going to die, and like, I have to work through that. I wasn't like, calm and conditioned for it. Because it wasn't the gunfight in the woods, like I was trained at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

• 39:18Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 39:19Speaker 02

  And so, he was hypo-aroused, which is the opposite of hyper-aroused, right? He was under-aroused. Why did that happen? Well, it's something called, I mean, some people call it the faint or fawn response. It's actually called tonic immobility. And tonic immobility, in the process of maybe spiking adrenaline and cortisol, norepinephrine, I'm so scared, oh my gosh, and then everything locks up, hypervigilant, hyper-focus, blood shunting to large muscle groups, I'm prepared to fight or flight. But in this, it's the lull after the spike, whereby I'm immobilized. And the tactic biologically, or a lot of

• 40:03Speaker 02

  scientists discuss, is that if you're a prey, and you're getting preyed upon, and you know you're going to die, a last-ditch effort is to collapse in place. Maybe-

• 40:17Tucker Carlson?

  I have seen animals do this.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe signaling to the predator that you're sick, tainted, or maybe even dead. And then, a lot of predators feed off mobility, off of movement. They, they want a live, I mean, my, my son's lizard. If it, if I have a worm that's dead, I'm like, here, eat this worm. He's just like, don't think so. But if it's like, squirming, he's like, oh, that's the trigger, right? So tonic immobility is what he went through. Well, they don't tell you about tonic immobility. It's that it's a button. And once the button's pushed, opiates, natural opiates dump into your body. And so the feeling of him like, being sedated and I can't move, it wasn't because of fear. I mean, fear might be the

• 40:58Speaker 02

  initiation device. It was because of the, the process of tonic immobility. Women who, who are, and Ben could be in the category too, that are sexually assaulted, often just talk about the, the idea that like, they were frozen in place, they couldn't do anything about it, and they were, they felt like they were sedated. And I wanted to fight, but I couldn't fight, and I feel guilty for it. You couldn't fight it. You, your actual biological ancestral system was designed to flip the switch for you to survive.

• 41:28Tucker Carlson?

  To play dead.

• 41:29Speaker 02

  To play dead. So it's not your fault, number one. Number two, that's how the process works. The whole point of that is, the button in us exists. And so, if we don't understand, and we can't manage stress and understanding of how disaster works, because disaster is just a amplified version of stress. I mean, it's just stress in a cloud that's suppressing our abilities, right? If we don't operate and condition ourselves for that, then we're not prepared for any catastrophe. Because the first indication that something's potentially happening or going wrong, by intuition, by your senses, by your vagus nerve that's kind of detecting the world around you, your, your palms might sweat. And you might go, ugh.

• 42:13Speaker 02

  I feel nervous, like something's wrong. But our intuition is like, whatever, doesn't matter. And then, and then you see the rock falling down the hillside and you're like, oh, that's crazy. Let me pull up my cell phone and record it. But we're losing our natural instincts and our intuition. And we're tethered to, again, to the cell phone and technology that we think's going to bell us out. And it's not, the reality is it's not. And so the whole montage, uh, the reason for the montage is before we could kind of understand what to do in catastrophe, we need to understand ourselves. Lastly, I mean, think about your baseline.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  What is your baseline for reacting to everyday stress? Not to like the catastrophe, but everyday stress, things you deal with. Most Americans baseline, because of social media, because of the cell phone, because of their obsessions with Lindsay Clancy and all the things that are going on in the world, is our baseline is now changed. So whereby a primitive reaction in fight or flight would be to fight the predator, to survive. We're now bashing our heads against the steering wheel, willing to get in a gunfight with another citizen of our town because they cut us off.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  Our, our, the dishes in the sink is triggering us. The way our kids talk to us, what they're doing, trigger us. And so our baseline to manage stress overall is already affected and flawed. So how are we going to manage a catastrophe? And I've seen it. I've been a first responder at the scene of accidents. And I've seen people completely check out, just drive by, like there's a guy flipped upside down. He's hanging outside the vehicle. There's smoke under the hood and you just drive by because you got places to go. Like I got things to do, man. And then you don't even care about your fellow citizen. And so we don't have a good understanding and baseline of our normal everyday life because it's overwhelming to us.

• 44:21Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  So how are we going to contend?

• 44:23Tucker Carlson?

  So we're dulled, in other words, by the adrenaline spiking images that we're inundated with all day?

• 44:32Speaker 02

  Exactly. The baseline that we have, the foundation of where we should be operating, whereby you're parasympathetic, you're rest and digest, you're just hanging out. Most of us are living anxious. Most of us are living in a sympathetic nervous response with a reptile brain. I mean, I tell people in these preparedness seminars, and I'm like, have you ever come to terms with your spouse in an argument? And the answer is no, because your nervous system is overreacting. Um, you have cortisol onboard, the stress hormone. Um, your adrenaline is surging every, every time you hear something you don't like.

• 45:16Speaker 02

  And you're not even in the capacity to be able to manage reasonable, logical decision making.

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• 47:08Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, you've asked people, married people, you've never come to terms with your, like never like resolved an argument?

• 47:14Speaker 02

  You've never resolved an argument when you're elevated, when your central nervous system is spiked because it thinks it's in a fight. When you walk away, which is the best tactic, and you breathe and your nervous system calms down and then you come back, then the parasympathetic component, the cognition of your brain, the decision-making of your brain is actually able to make a logical and reasonable decision, to communicate even. I mean, I teach a course called Decision Point where one of the things I do is I scream at the person right in front of me. And often it's women.

• 47:51Speaker 02

  Women actually have a decibel range in their registry that if spiked, they'll go into fight or flight immediately. So for men, it's not the same. Um, if you see men's, um, reacting to drill sergeants in basic training, having graduated basic training at 17 years old at four binning, no problem with guys screaming in my face. Um, but a woman, once that decibel range spikes, once the red line is hit, immediately cortisol is dumped, adrenaline surges, and then they're in reptile brain. They're in sympathetic, a sympathetic nervous response. They think they're fighting for their.

• 48:33Tucker Carlson?

  What does that look like?

• 48:35Speaker 02

  Well, typically it looks like a lot of, uh, hyper-focus. Um, cognition shuts down because it disconnects from the brain. Look, the brain is a liability to survival, primitively.

• 48:48Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  Right? But now we have, again, this tethering of all of these institutions, for example. Um, one of the first things that you should likely do in a situation outside of fighting in the circumstance is reaching out to 911, right? Call 911, get EMS rolling, right? We want them rolling in route. And not even stressful situations, fender benders. People can't even talk to the police.

• 49:17Tucker Carlson?

  That's true.

• 49:18Speaker 02

  They can't communicate basic information because they're so surged with that. So what I just ultimately, what I tell people is like, if, if you can't balance the things in your everyday life because you can't manage the stress, you're gonna have a hard time managing the gunfight.

• 49:33Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  The catastrophe.

• 49:34Tucker Carlson?

  Yes. Yes. Just to go back to something you just said, when you scream at women, you get close to them and scream like, what are they? Do they slap you? Do they seem paralyzed? How do they respond?

• 49:44Speaker 02

  Varying responses. And I mean, I do this obviously formally in classes. Uh, one of the points of Decision Point is we focus so much on the self-defense act, the drawing of the gun and the act. Too much emphasis because there are many steps, including recognizing the go slash no-go criteria for what my decision-making is.

• 50:07Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  To use deadly force, right? I need that kind of understanding. I need that oodle loop of understanding of how I'm going to assess this information. And so what I tell people is like, you know, it's a 70-degree day. You're shooting on a flat range, no obstacles. It's a beautiful day. You're creating a hole with your bullets on the target. You're shooting the bullet through the hole you created. Congratulations. That's not at all how a gunfight works. That's not combat. That's not catastrophe. So when I scream at the person, I'm eliciting, um, their neurological response to me screaming. In some cases, I'll tell you about this, this lady who came in my class. And if I run an all women's, women's class, you'll get the majority of the women that are in that class

• 50:53Speaker 02

  wanting to go through the training to empower themselves, which I like applaud them for.

• 50:57Tucker Carlson?

  For sure.

• 50:57Speaker 02

  Because men just show up because they want to take a picture with Mike Glover and like hashtag, you know, shoot better than Mike, whatever it is, like, like a cool guy stuff, right? But women go there because they actually want to repair something that potentially was broken or they saw something happen. And, and I didn't realize this until after this experience. One of my scenarios had to do with ATM machines. So the disadvantage of ATM machine, especially at night, is you're blinding yourself with the ATM LCD display. And then you're in darkness, your back's completely exploitable and you're taking money out. And if the bad guy's gonna get you, he's gonna get you in that moment where you're staring at a machine,

• 51:41Speaker 02

  trying to get money, which you should never do in the middle of the night in a bad area, right? It happens though, that if you look at like ATM thefts, that's typically how it happens. And the majority, by the way, of bad guy engagement, anything happens at night, by the way. It doesn't happen in daytime, but we train 99% in the daytime, but that's another thing. So in the scenario, I walk up behind her with a simunitions pistol. So it's a, it's a pistol that shoots a, basically a piece of plastic, right? It hurts, but it obviously doesn't injure you or kill you. And you have to wear protective equipment. I walk up to her and she's staring at an iPad that's simulating an ATM.

• 52:25Speaker 02

  And I shove the gun in her back and I tell her some expletives that I would never communicate to anybody and act like a bad guy. But I do so yelling at her and telling her, I'm going to hurt her. And immediately she breaks down into the fetal position and starts crying because I triggered her trauma. And often, and we talked about this a little bit, especially as it relates to psilocybin and some of the things. When, when you have trauma.

• 52:57Speaker 02

  And it's in you, it's dormant.

• 53:01Speaker 02

  And there is a trigger device attached to that. Like, imagine your trauma is like a bundle of TNT, not C4, because that's more stable. Like, wet TNT. There's an initiation device, maybe a plunger, because that's a good analogy, like the plunger. That exists. And if you're not managing or conditioning or understanding that trauma, that trauma could be the liability that's on standby when catastrophe strikes. And so at the moment, at the precipice of decision point, where you're like, I got a plan, because I talked about it, rehearsed it in my head, and I'm gonna do all this cool guy's stuff. And then the trigger is met, you have no option, it's plunged. And then it blows up.

• 53:46Speaker 02

  And then that switch we talked about, the button, the tonic immobility, that's what happened to her. And so I picked her up, and I turned on the lights. And all the women there were like in shock. And I had never seen anything like this before. I'm learning about this as I go. I'm almost doing like, studies on people, and taking data points in my head at least. And I take a step back and I pick her up and I like, oh. I'm like, why did this happen? She told me she had been a victim of assault in a similar scenario, with a pistol, feeling helpless, likely in a state of hypoarousal. And so I walked her through it. I coached her, we trained, she built the confidence, and we did the same exact drill,

• 54:31Speaker 02

  just a walkthrough version of it. And she pulled the pistol over her waistband and she shot me in the stomach with protective equipment on. And afterwards, she said, when she broke those shots, it was like, you ever heard the dream where you have the gun and you can't, you pull the trigger and nothing happens?

• 54:47Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:47Speaker 02

  Or you go to punch, and then you're punching the person, and it's not having an impact or effect? She said she was stuck in that loop for years. And then when she pulled the trigger and was able to break the shot in my stomach, it released something. But the reality is she was just conditioning herself out of trauma for conditioned stress to be able to work through it. And I know that's a long-winded version of it. But the reality is, we focus in preparedness on technical capability.

• 55:18Tucker Carlson?

  For sure.

• 55:19Speaker 02

  When, that's the easy part. That you earn those reps on your own, work through that on your own, you got that. The hardest part is understanding the infrastructure behind it.

• 55:29Tucker Carlson?

  So there's a lot going on in the world, as we often say, a new war in the Middle East, closure of the Strait of Hormuz, the global energy crisis. If you're not convinced that you have an obligation to think about the future, nothing will. Stability can disappear really, really quickly. That's unfortunately true. Most Americans have no idea where the basic necessities of life actually come from, but we can tell you this. Probably not your backyard, and that's a problem. Global supply chains are unreliable, so you need to make sure you've got what you need to protect your family if the system is breakdown. And they could, not forever, but they could definitely break down. And that is the reason that we built Last Country Supply. We're not crazy, okay? We're not living in bunkers.

• 56:12Tucker Carlson?

  But people need to think about self-reliance, becoming self-reliant on the most basic needs, food, water, energy, light. So whether you're a seasoned prepper or simply want to become more self-sufficient, and both are great, go to lastcountrysupply.com/tucker for supplies you can trust, things you will need when you need the most. That's lastcountrysupply.com/tucker. People are paralyzed by the the stress of an unexpected emergency.

• 56:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:44Tucker Carlson?

  I think anyone who's ever been in a situation like that is like amazed by just the physiological response to it, like, oh, you can't talk, you can't move.

• 56:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it doesn't have to be the gunfight.

• 56:54Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 56:55Speaker 02

  It could be like, somebody calls you and tells you, you know, your family member was diagnosed with cancer.

• 56:59Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, or you're getting a car crash or whatever, but I think everyone has had an experience like that. So you think technology leaves us less prepared for moments like that?

• 57:10Speaker 02

  Less resilient overall. I mean, as a nation, there's many reasons why we're not resilient, but less resilient overall.

• 57:18Tucker Carlson?

  How does AI affect this picture?

• 57:21Speaker 02

  It wants to automate everything. And so if you, if you look at the AI integration, the biggest risk by experts, not me, by experts, is that it makes us not want to use our brains. And the default, so like, the analysis from an AI expert is like, the everyday mathing and statistics and the things that you do. But we're not considering catastrophe or contingency, right? So in a perfect world, AI is basically setting us up for failure because we become lazy.

• 57:55Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  But what happens if we become lazy? And part of the foreign adversary analysis is we're exploitable. Oh, we're complacent, more complacent than we have ever been. Oh, and the idea that like, foreign adversaries aren't investing in making us more complacent, that's been proven. That they did that, they've been doing that forever. Spy games decades ago, now integrating into every single facet of social media to do it. And they're playing the long game. I mean, China has a 5,000-year plan. We have, we're living day to day, just getting by,

• 58:37Speaker 02

  depending on everybody else's manufacturing and origin story and process. And so that's the problem with AI integration is, it's not what it does to us by making us lazy, it's what happens when we're lazy, complacent, and completely exploitable.

• 58:54Tucker Carlson?

  Then you're vulnerable, of course.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  We're completely vulnerable.

• 58:56Tucker Carlson?

  But also, I mean, indolence is bad. Luxury is poison over time. If you stay in bed all day, you get bed sores.

• 59:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:08Tucker Carlson?

  You have to, you need resistance to stay human, don't you?

• 59:12Speaker 02

  You need friction.

• 59:13Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 59:14Speaker 02

  The most often question

• 59:18Speaker 02

  that I get is typically built around resilience, and how can I become more resilient? And I had the luxury, and it was a luxury, because I volunteered for it all. You know, I was a infantryman. I went to Ranger training, airborne training, Green Beret training. I was a guard at the, I don't know if you noticed, I was a guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

• 59:39Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 59:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:40Tucker Carlson?

  Must be a very handsome man for that job.

• 59:42Speaker 02

  I was handsome, minus the beard.

• 59:46Tucker Carlson?

  Because I do think like, you know, they, all the guys look squared away at that.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was, I was, I was squared away at some point, and I did that, and the nature of my job and my duties and responsibilities were difficult. And so everything I went through, I was voluntold that you're gonna do. And it builds resilience. And then I, there's something magical that happens. And a lot of my peer group, you know, the Andy Stumps, the Evan Hafers, the Jacos, Sean Ryan talks about it. Like, if you want to build resilience, you do hard things, right? When you do hard things, there's something that happens, though. And I actually think there's a gene for this. It's a mechanism of survival, for sure, over time.

• 1:00:36Speaker 02

  I mean, if me and you, we're like sitting here comfortably in this beautiful place,

• 1:00:42Speaker 02

  if it wasn't for the sacrifice of all the men and women that bred our DNA before us, we wouldn't be here, living in

• 1:00:52Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  Luxury.

• 1:00:53Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  It's because of their resilience, adversity, fighting through the most difficult of times.

• 1:01:00Tucker Carlson?

  A teenage girl gave birth in a cave during a snowstorm to make this possible.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 1:01:04Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, a lot of them.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  And we're, we're, we won the Life Lotto, because we're born in America, and we have this amazing opportunity, and we're here, when the majority of the world does not have that.

• 1:01:18Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:01:18Speaker 02

  And, and so if you, if you kind of backwards assess it, it's because of the resilience that was built over time. And what happens magically, when you actually execute on these, I think, natural desires, like my sons.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  Are warriors. I didn't teach them to be warriors. They pick up sticks and start fighting each other like they're Spartans.

• 1:01:44Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  And it's ingrained in them. I didn't say, hey, do this. Like my sons, my beautiful son, Leland's. Uh, Leland is such, such a beautiful name. My daughter's name is Isla and then I've been in Penelope, but Leland, for his third birthday last weekend, I bought him a Spider-Man piñata, which is awesome. Got a big Spider-Man head, upper torso. And he's like, what the? He doesn't know what it is. It's like part of a body of Spider-Man, his favorite character. I said, no, there's candy in it. He's like, okay. And I hand him a stick, never seen a piñata in his life. And he walks over to Spider-Man without prompting and knocks the head off it like he's like a professional baseball player. And then he just shoves his hand in the neck of the Spider-Man head that he just knocked off.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  He shoves his hand in the neck and pulls out candy.

• 1:02:32Tucker Carlson?

  But you, and you never told him to decapitate Spider-Man?

• 1:02:34Speaker 02

  Never told him to, he didn't know anything about it. And he literally naturally looked at it and went, okay.

• 1:02:40Tucker Carlson?

  He beheaded on instinct.

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  He beheaded on instinct, stuck his little, his, his, actually fat little hand inside of the neck and pulled out candy and started grubbing.

• 1:02:51Tucker Carlson?

  Um, that's so great.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  And it's just, it's, it's in this, it's ingrained. And so when you start doing difficult things, you start wanting to do more of that. And, and I love that. Like when I go camping with my kids, like they love it. I love it. And it's uncomfortable, but when they get settled in comfort, they have a desire to go back into being uncomfortable.

• 1:03:11Tucker Carlson?

  A hundred percent. I go camping every week, actually.

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  Same.

• 1:03:15Tucker Carlson?

  Every week.

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  Every off.

• 1:03:17Tucker Carlson?

  Going Thursday afternoon.

• 1:03:18Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:03:18Tucker Carlson?

  Yes. And for exactly that same reason, you know, alone with my dogs. Cause I, for exactly that same reason, it's so deeply, atavistically satisfying. Like there's something hard to describe, but that is really important that roots you.

• 1:03:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, and think about where AI technology.

• 1:03:37Tucker Carlson?

  It's the opposite of that.

• 1:03:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:38Tucker Carlson?

  We're. It's French toast in bed forever.

• 1:03:41Speaker 02

  Forever. We're more satisfied with the alternate reality we're creating online than we are the reality, reality that we live in our daily lives. And everybody's paying the price for it. Our relationships, our relationship with God, our relationship with our children. And, and, and we're completely disconnecting. And we talk about it on podcast, but nobody actually has the discipline to live it. And to, to actually create parameters that's going to fix and maintain or retain some balance in your life.

• 1:04:16Tucker Carlson?

  I do think it leads to grave unhappiness too.

• 1:04:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. I get that.

• 1:04:22Tucker Carlson?

  I don't think I'm imagining that. I think not having enough, um, well, hard work, not having the ability to do things for yourself, lacking self-reliance, being served, luxury, basically living in the Ottoman harem makes you suicidal after a while.

• 1:04:42Speaker 02

  Lindsay Clancy popped in my head because she was privileged.

• 1:04:46Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  She had a nanny. She had a beautiful home, a seemingly loving situation with her family. And for her, it was the worst case scenario.

• 1:04:59Tucker Carlson?

  What's the suicide rate in rural Central Africa versus the suicide rate in Greenwich?

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  It's zero.

• 1:05:04Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. It's zero. It's, it's literally zero.

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  And so when you, when you, when you look at that type of scenario where we're at, it's like, wow, when we have it so good. Um, we're the most unhappy we've ever been in human.

• 1:05:19Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. That's exactly right. So why, but now we're hearing from, you know, the heads of these companies, you know, most of whom I know personally, I don't, I don't know that any of them you'd say is like evil. Um, even though I think they're doing evil, but they don't seem evil personally to me. They love their children and all that, but their promise is more ease. Like no one's gonna have to work. Everyone's gonna be rich. I mean, I don't believe that, but even if it were true, would you want that?

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  Every promise of every institution as a model of how business works in the first place is to create an easier, you know, fix the problem.

• 1:05:59Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  What's the problem? This is the problem. We have a fix for it. And we're going to build optimization and efficiency in your life because of our service or our product. And the problem with that is every metric of friction, as we described it, of resistance that moves us as human beings is now going to be compromised. And so we need the friction. We need the resistance. And now we're manufacturing it. Cold plunge, hot sauna. I run on a treadmill in an air-conditioned room.

• 1:06:32Tucker Carlson?

  So right.

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  And so all of that resistance that we could really want and have adapted to over time through evolution exists outside for the most part, right? In remote areas of the world.

• 1:06:45Tucker Carlson?

  But this seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. So basically they're saying like Americans just do too much for themselves. They face too many, I mean, I don't know who they're speaking to, not to me, because I don't feel like I do too much for myself. I don't think my life is too hard. I feel like my life is too easy. I take everything for granted. I don't, so when I hear someone who runs an AI company saying, you know, here's the good news, you'll never have to do anything again. I'm like, I, I don't know. I didn't ask anyone to do that for me. I don't want that.

• 1:07:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's one of the problems, but I, it's also like I talked about in this rebellion or this understanding of rebellion and how it could potentially unfold. There's a movement.

• 1:07:27Tucker Carlson?

  How can I join it?

• 1:07:28Speaker 02

  You're part of the club.

• 1:07:31Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry. I don't want to get arrested here.

• 1:07:33Speaker 02

  No, no, no. No, we haven't done anything yet.

• 1:07:35Tucker Carlson?

  But if there's a meeting, will you call me?

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  I mean, if you, if you actually think about it, think about the, and I, I push this insistently. If you think about the analog of even how I grew up in the eighties, how you, you grew up in the eighties and the things that you did, right? Um, everything was very manual. I mean, I, I have, me and my wife have old pickup trucks and Jeeps. Because I like the visceral nature of how a manual vehicle makes me feel.

• 1:08:09Tucker Carlson?

  Standard transmission is liberation. I completely, I drive one, I agree.

• 1:08:13Speaker 02

  I have a 71 Ford Highboy F250.

• 1:08:17Tucker Carlson?

  Do you really?

• 1:08:17Speaker 02

  I have an 84 Jeep Scrambler CJ8. I have a couple of air-cooled Porsches that are just air-cooled and manual analog, very analog. And I get it. Like there are some things AI is very good for. And like, a lot of people were like, it's a, it's a liberal talking point. Well, how about you just settle down? I'm not saying anything political. There's nothing political about wanting.

• 1:08:42Tucker Carlson?

  So, okay, just to explain, cause I've had the same experience, but maybe people watching don't know what you're talking about. So you're saying you've criticized AI or this, the, the, the tech tsunami about to crest over us. And people you know have texted or called to say, hey, why are you repeating liberal talking points? You're complaining about this technology. Is that what you're saying?

• 1:09:01Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:09:02Tucker Carlson?

  Okay. So I've had the same experience and what they're telling me is AI doomerism is a psy-op. It's all part of regulatory capture. So like, if you are worried about AI, you're playing into the anthropic demons plan for global domination, because what they're really doing is partnering with the US government to set up regulatory barriers against their competitors by scaring the crap out of everyone. And the regulation they're calling for is actually like a form of protectionism that keeps their monopoly in place. That's what, that's what they're arguing to me. And, uh, you know, I'm sure there's some truth in that, but I also feel like, I don't know, inherently, there's nothing to worry about. Is that what you're saying? And by the way, are you taking money from any of these tech companies? Because every freaking person I know is taking money from a tech company.

• 1:09:45Tucker Carlson?

  I've noticed, sorry, it's making me mad thinking about it. And so like, there are a lot of dishonest talking points flying around. Have you, do you feel this?

• 1:09:53Speaker 02

  I, I've, I've been on the other end of it, just like you, especially criticizing.

• 1:09:58Tucker Carlson?

  Well, so I don't even pretend to know what the future holds, of course. I have no idea. So I'm like, I'm no expert on anything, like nothing. But I just think these are legitimate concerns and people are just way up in your face about it. Why are you saying that?

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  Hmm, I catch it the most with flock. And I.

• 1:10:15Tucker Carlson?

  Who defended flock camera?

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  Well, it's funny, there's, there's chiefs of police, there's officers that DM me and tell me how good flock is. And I, they don't know the scale of flock or the history of flock. It's very researchable. I mean, you could Google it, um, to understand just that baseline, like I, like I just talked about the last nine years of scale. Like this isn't something that we've always had or that was readily available. This is something that has accelerated to hundreds of thousands of cameras. That is now, you know, for the first time, I think, being shown to be completely.

• 1:10:51Speaker 02

  Utilized and leveraged for evil, for, for bad things. I mean, there are law enforcement officers. It's funny, I, I had an officer who DM me and said, hey, flock isn't bad. You're, you're create, you're, it's a liberal talking point. You're just jumping on the bandwagon. And I've had like a sheriff in California tell me the same thing. He's advertised the same thing. And I'm like, okay. So one, um, I'm a no expert at law enforcement. I'm not, I have a undergraduate degree in, in law enforcement or criminal justice. So I've studied law enforcement. And when you look at what it is, it's a tool. I get it. It's a tool. But it's a tool that could be used for nefarious reasons, including tracking your ex-girlfriend or

• 1:11:35Tucker Carlson?

  Worse, yeah.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  16 year old high school girls that you're into because you're a school resource officer. True story. This is not manufactured. These are stories that populated. And he said, there's no proof of that. I looked it up and found six stories in the last week of officers being arrested and, and some that are just being punished, but arrested. But think about if you're the, uh,

• 1:11:55Tucker Carlson?

  Mike, so you're saying that people use technology for creepy reasons? Are you really saying that?

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think, I think it can be used for that. Um, I think that's where it heads.

• 1:12:03Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:04Tucker Carlson?

  The second the cell phone camera was invented, like that's the only thing it was used for.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, I mean, think about the, so if we, if we just take the flock thing and you just talk about any segment of technology with the integration of AI, it accelerates everything that potentially could go wrong and violation of civil liberties or constitution or civil rights as human beings. And so that's what's scary for me because, you know, now the algorithm will detect um, and, you know, pull over the person it thinks it's the bad guys. And then they wind up killing an innocent family. That hasn't likely happened yet. I haven't read that this happened. But the pulling over of innocent people and them being treated like criminals is happening all the time.

• 1:12:51Tucker Carlson?

  Predictive policing.

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  Predictive policing. Oh, and by the way, that officer who messaged me, I wanted to message back and say, look, you're actually advocating for something that's going to have your job.

• 1:13:00Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's the other thing, right?

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  There's a specific reason. I can't articulate this, but I understand it. And I, I don't know the, maybe you have a better example, but there are some things that just need to be slow. There, there only needs to be one ranger in a national park. Because if you have an automated system of tons of rangers and tons, tons of violations. But oh, by the way, AI and these camera companies are using them to detect people who are catching too many fish in the water. Right? So it used to be John, who's the national park ranger who walks over and is like, hey, man, you got your license? Yeah, sure, buddy. No problem.

• 1:13:37Tucker Carlson?

  They're surveilling trout streams?

• 1:13:38Speaker 02

  They're surveilling national parks in some places. And they're, they're, they're, they're catching them or they're trying to catch people's exceeding their fishing limit.

• 1:13:49Tucker Carlson?

  Can you take out one of these cameras with a 308 or a smaller caliber?

• 1:13:53Speaker 02

  300 wind mag would be preferred.

• 1:13:55Tucker Carlson?

  It's too loud.

• 1:13:56Speaker 02

  No, well, that, that's beyond, uh, transonic and subsonic. You could be about a thousand meters away suppressed.

• 1:14:04Tucker Carlson?

  Someone at the table was a sniper at one point.

• 1:14:07Speaker 02

  Never advocating for that.

• 1:14:09Tucker Carlson?

  Never advocating for that. Yeah, I'm very close to advocating for that. Well, that is crazy. I had no idea that was even happening. But your assessment is like so basic. It's wise. I don't want to detract from it, but it's so obviously true. The technology will accelerate pre-existing tendencies in the society and in the people who comprise it. So like if people are a mixture of good and bad and they're altruistic, but they're also greedy and cruel or whatever. All of that will be magnified by any technology, right? Of course.

• 1:14:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:39Tucker Carlson?

  That's what you're saying, I think.

• 1:14:41Speaker 02

  It is.

• 1:14:42Tucker Carlson?

  And so we should just be on guard for those predictable consequences. And you say that to someone and they say, what? That's a liberal talking point?

• 1:14:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. They, they say it's like, I, I criticized Ford Motor Company. And I did so because Ford Motor Company CEO has this diabolical plan to integrate cameras, including inward facing cameras, especially for commercial contracts. That if it's not the driver or if the driver seems impaired, it will just contact authorities for you.

• 1:15:14Tucker Carlson?

  So you have surveillance in your car?

• 1:15:16Speaker 02

  Surveillance in your vehicle, like looking inward facing. So.

• 1:15:19Tucker Carlson?

  So how about no? How about like, obviously no?

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. So if, if you, if you, if you made this into a movie, it would be like a segment of the population that reads my book prepared. That's driving old pickup trucks and living very analog and refuse to integrate with technology and part of a rebellious militia.

• 1:15:35Tucker Carlson?

  Literally outside my door for this exact reason.

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. I, I, I sold my F-150. I had a Raptor. Got a great interest rate from Ford Motor Company. And I was like, yeah, I'll get a Raptor. It'd be cool. I can do some content on it, do some stuff. I was backing out of my driveway in Heber City, which is evolving and developing like no other town. It's actually one of the top towns in development, not, not, not happy. Um, for most people in Heber City, if you're living there, right? And so the development behind my house is massive. So all the traffic is going one way. I go to back out of my driveway with my kids, my four, my, at that time I had two children with me. And as we back out, um, the, the truck just stops in the middle of the road.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  And I'm like, what is like, and I go to move back and it won't go back. So there's a car coming and I'm like, oh my gosh, like what am I, what's happening? It won't, it won't back up and it's beeping at me. I put it in drive and I drive back in my driveway like, what's going on? The sensor on the back rear right bumper was dirty. And at the intersection, probably 500 meters away, there was a car and it caught likely because it's infrared, a reflection that triggered the sensor that was dirty and locked me down, shut me down in the middle of the road. If there was a semi truck with a impaired driver, just somebody not paying attention, I would have got T-boned in the intersection right in front of my house because of the tech integrated into my truck. I immediately got rid of that truck and I was like, I'm not.

• 1:17:06Tucker Carlson?

  I did the same thing.

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  And I bought it. I bought a 1997 Ford OBS 73.

• 1:17:11Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. It, it, if you're interested, anyone who drives pickup trucks, at least for Chevys, which I drive, uh, the Silverado, I think the last year that preserves human autonomy is 2018. I can confirm that. I mean, maybe subsequent, a few subsequent years. But after that, you don't make the decisions in the vehicle.

• 1:17:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:31Tucker Carlson?

  So I had a 2023 Silverado, kind of a cool vehicle in some ways. I sold it in a month because of reasons like that. It's like, no, it's, I'm driving.

• 1:17:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:40Tucker Carlson?

  Like who's dad here?

• 1:17:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:42Tucker Carlson?

  Are you really giving me orders? I thought you were a machine. Like, what are we doing?

• 1:17:45Speaker 02

  It's, and it's, it's, for those who think it's a liberal talking point, let me just back up.

• 1:17:51Tucker Carlson?

  Liberal talking?

• 1:17:52Speaker 02

  A liberal talking point. They think it's a liberal talking.

• 1:17:54Tucker Carlson?

  Who's writing this crap?

• 1:17:55Speaker 02

  They're like, you're going against Ford. It's an American company. It's affecting American jobs.

• 1:17:59Tucker Carlson?

  Okay. So in what sense is Ford an American company anyway?

• 1:18:02Speaker 02

  So if you back out of that, the reason all these things are happening is because the mining of data. Data is the currency.

• 1:18:10Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:18:10Speaker 02

  So when you get a Ford, a brandy truck, um, I know Ford does it for sure. Most manufacturers will likely do it. You have to get the app integrated into the vehicle.

• 1:18:20Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah. And it downloads.

• 1:18:22Speaker 02

  It downloads everything. It's because you never know if somebody steals your truck. Well, you don't need a law enforcement officer to go investigate a stolen vehicle because you have a app that geo tags it for you. But like, you can't do anything. I mean, there's YouTube integration in the dash of the vehicle. Like,

• 1:18:36Tucker Carlson?

  No, thanks.

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  I don't want YouTube when I'm driving in the middle of my integration.

• 1:18:44Speaker 00

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• 1:19:14Tucker Carlson?

  If, yeah, you said you're not political and God bless you for that. There's no upside in being political. There's no upside in following a lot of the stuff I say this on who has followed it for my whole life. You don't get much out of it. But if there is any reason to have a conservative party, whatever you call it, Republican Party or any name for it, but conservative, it's to oppose stuff like this. It's to defend human beings against the machine. It's to try to preserve some measure of human autonomy. Personal sovereignty, like I don't, what, why else would you have conservatism other than that? And so for them to tell you it's a liberal talking point to say you don't want to be spied on in your own freaking truck is like beyond belief. How do you, what do you say to that?

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  I like to speed sometimes.

• 1:19:57Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:19:58Speaker 02

  And that's, that's a very American thing, a very American thing. There's legislation in California right now that's trying to get rid of basically all the classic cars and Jay Leno, who's been-

• 1:20:08Tucker Carlson?

  Get rid of the classic cars?

• 1:20:10Speaker 02

  Jay Leno's actually came out of his hibernation, out of his cave with all his cars to talk about this, which I'm proud of Jay for doing this because he's, you know, he's going against the system that's trying to take-

• 1:20:20Tucker Carlson?

  He's a very nice person at whatever his faults.

• 1:20:22Speaker 02

  They're, they're, they're trying to take away the entire classic car, um, uh, culture that's been built in California because of-

• 1:20:31Tucker Carlson?

  Only for a hundred years, it's not a big deal.

• 1:20:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, not, it completely shaped the American culture as a whole.

• 1:20:36Tucker Carlson?

  Of, that's, wow, I didn't even know-

• 1:20:39Speaker 02

  So great deal is buying, um, classic cars out of California right now because they're trying to pass legislation to basically ban, uh, and it evolves around emissions and the, these green movements.

• 1:20:51Tucker Carlson?

  Like a Flathead Motors Immoral or something?

• 1:20:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, like it's killing every, it's killing all the birds. And so you gotta get rid of those vehicles and-

• 1:20:58Tucker Carlson?

  Meanwhile, there's more pollution in California than any state. It's the most physically defiled state. It's filthy.

• 1:21:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:04Tucker Carlson?

  And so you're letting people use the sidewalk as latrine and, you know, die in public parks and every public library smells like urine and you're lecturing me about pollution? Really?

• 1:21:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, and taking away like part of culture, American culture.

• 1:21:20Tucker Carlson?

  But the dirtiest people in the world are calling you dirty. It's like, no, I'm not playing along with this.

• 1:21:25Speaker 02

  They don't have a problem with Skid Row, but you got a problem with a car show full of-

• 1:21:29Tucker Carlson?

  Or drug cartels, boomers. You know, pouring poison, the whole northern part of the state is a superfund site because of foreign weed cartels that use banned chemicals to grow marijuana in the state. And if you don't believe that, go to Menocino County. Anyway, whatever, but that's just crazy that they're doing that.

• 1:21:49Speaker 02

  It's wild. It's wild and it hurts and it's like, um, again, I think a lot of Americans, um, will be forced like me to go analog in a lot of parts of their life, whether they deliberately, intentionally do it, or because they want to get away from the tech. Like there needs to be some form of balance. I mean, not everybody lives in Silicon Valley or wherever this is happening. I don't even know, Salt Lake City, maybe, maybe that's happening there, but not everybody wants to live without resistance. I want to feed my chickens and my goats and drive my pickup truck.

• 1:22:23Tucker Carlson?

  So as you talk to people, I mean, obviously we all live in like a slice of the country, right? We live in our own worlds or self-created worlds, but so with that caveat, when you talk to people about technology, do you get the sense that people you know are hopeful about it or they're threatened by it?

• 1:22:42Speaker 02

  So a, a report came out today, this morning, that said that 70% of Americans that were surveyed think that AI is going to be a problem. And that is the-

• 1:22:55Tucker Carlson?

  Seventy percent?

• 1:22:57Speaker 02

  Seventy percent. The overwhelming majority of Americans think that AI is going to be a problem. And I mean, when, when Sam Altman and Anthropic come out and both say like, oh, we just had this whatever Huggy Bear or whatever situation where, you know, basically it breaks out itself and starts operating and trying to figure out how we're going to take over, um, so we're not shut down when it's doing things unilaterally without control, that's not even prompted. Yeah, that's a problem. And when the CEO of the biggest AI company comes out and says, hey, we're pumping the brakes here because some, something's happening that we weren't prepared for, prepared for, then you should be concerned as Americans.

• 1:23:40Speaker 02

  And everywhere I go, when I speak to people about preparedness, when I talk to people online, everybody overwhelmingly is concerned. This is not something that's in the minority.

• 1:23:49Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I mean, just take a step back. So the guy who more than any other person is in charge of our future and that of our children, Sam Altman, is this a normal person? Is this someone who shares your values? Is this a guy who's been accused by his own sister of molestation, accused by the mother of one of his employees of murder? I'm not saying he did either one of those things. I'm just saying, that's the guy? Really? Of all the, of 350 million Americans, that's the guy you put in charge of the future of humanity? Like, no.

• 1:24:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's supposed to be for the greater good. I mean, and a nonprofit, and now it's the, one of the biggest profiting companies at growth and scale than any company in history.

• 1:24:30Tucker Carlson?

  This is a guy with nothing in common with the average person.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  No, not at all.

• 1:24:33Tucker Carlson?

  At zero. But he's now creating reality for the entire nation and world.

• 1:24:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, and we're buying into it. I mean, all, the majority of the states are buying into the building of the infrastructure because it's a money grab.

• 1:24:47Tucker Carlson?

  So what do you do if you go to the local authorities whose job is to represent you and improve your life and listen to you and carry out your will because you are the owners, not them, they're the employees, but they don't acknowledge that and they give you the finger and just do what their donors tell them to do, which is the state of play? Where does that leave you? Like, what are your options?

• 1:25:06Speaker 02

  You, you don't, like the, the idea of getting off grid and going in the middle of the woods and just living your life, well, we know how that worked out for Randy Weaver. And, and that's, that's not the option. The option is fight, fighting legislatively, legally, until you can't. And my fear is because of how quickly this burn rate is going, that till you can't is going to come sooner than we think.

• 1:25:32Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. I, I just couldn't agree with you, everything you've said, um, I just couldn't agree with you more vehemently and it's actually hopeful that what you're describing, because you're describing solidarity of human beings. So let's get one last category I want to, thank you for doing this, that I want to hit that's not related to your book, but it's just interesting to me, is you describe friends who've lived a life like yours, been in an elite unit in the US military, served all these tours, combat tours, and how they're thriving and you named, named a bunch of them and I think a lot of them are familiar to viewers, Evan certainly. Um, and they're all doing great, but a lot of people famously who've lived that life are not doing great at all, and we both know a lot of those as well.

• 1:26:17Tucker Carlson?

  What's the difference? Like, why does some guys who do eight combat tours, totally well-adjusted, love my wife, totally dialed into my job, and others just really seem on the brink of self-destruction?

• 1:26:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, from my personal experience, and it's personal, and it's my personal opinion because, again, this is very anecdotal. I mean, my, my experience with men and my organizations and all the things that we went through that would traumatize the average person-

• 1:26:48Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:26:48Speaker 02

  -by a long mile, is that we're not traumatized by war. I mean, the men that I associate that are my best friends, that come from Evan Hafer, Green Beret, Andy Stump, former Navy SEAL, Dev Group operator, Sean Ryan, you know, former SEAL, like many of these men are resilient because they grew up in good homes. They grew up in good situations. They joined for the right reasons. They went through the training and all the experiences and had no problem with it because they had, it's not aptitude, they just had the ability to reconcile. Um, and they did so, like even me, you know, I, I contend with this, this, this debate

• 1:27:33Speaker 02

  over like war and was it justified and all of the things, but I know very intimately with most of my peers' opinions thinking the same, that the men that we fought on the battlefield were formidable foes and, and bad people. I mean, they were, they were killing Americans and, and some cases they were, um, going after coalition forces. Um, but I also now, full circle, being old and looking back on warfare like many veterans do, go, man, was that, was that necessary? Was the whole thing necessary, obviously? I'm more traumatized by that.

• 1:28:11Tucker Carlson?

  The big picture questions over which you had no control.

• 1:28:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, no control versus the actual engagements and the, and the things that I saw on the battlefield. But realistically, most people who suffer from trauma, um, that are in resilient, natured, conditioned jobs, like special operations, which has all the psyche valves, all the selection processes, all the conditioned training, that's very difficult, obviously.

• 1:28:38Tucker Carlson?

  But they're a pretty fine mesh screen at the beginning of the process. I didn't fully realize that. Like they screen, they know who you are psychologically by the time you start training.

• 1:28:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, I actually thought about this, being a civilian and, um, I, I didn't get a job once for the Department of Energy. Um, I, it's one of the only, one and only civilian jobs I applied for. It was the head of Colorado's like DOE, basically their, their, uh, power plants throughout the state and you got a pickup truck. And I was like, sweet, you get a pickup truck? I get to drive around in a truck and check on, on these sites.

• 1:29:12Tucker Carlson?

  That sounds fun, actually.

• 1:29:13Speaker 02

  It was cool. It was like you had to have a degree in Homeland Security. I have a bachelor's degree in Homeland Security and crisis response. You had to have crisis response experience. And not to brag, but just at the time, I probably had more experience than anybody that I knew, anybody I had worked with in crisis response specifically. And I was the guy, like this job was mine. And then I found out after the application, when I was denied, it came down to me and another guy. I found out that at the application on the resume, when I put, I was a sniper, um, that they looked at that as a liability, that I was the bad guy. In fact, veterans get this all the time, by the way.

• 1:29:53Speaker 02

  Veterans in family court, veterans in, um, any situation where they're looked at post-traumatic stress, well, you don't know, he's a wild card, oh, he's a sniper, he killed people for a living? It's like, yeah, that was my job. And I could have churched it up and like redesigned the verbiage to make it seem like I was something, a corporate, um, long-range executive, whatever you want to put.

• 1:30:17Tucker Carlson?

  A threat elimination officer.

• 1:30:20Speaker 02

  Um, T E O. Yeah, that was a T E O. So when, when you look at that, it's like most of the trauma that I see after the fact and these guys that go and that in all cases, but they go to I begane, psilocybin, etc. They are dealing with traumatic injury

• 1:30:41Speaker 02

  from before they came in the military, from the typically from their childhood.

• 1:30:44Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 1:30:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, we do a moral injury. Moral injury is a significant component to this.

• 1:30:49Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, of course it is.

• 1:30:49Speaker 02

  And I think across the board affects everybody. That's most of special operations. There's some component of moral injury there. I lost a buddy. I was, I should have been there. There was casualties. We shouldn't have took out whatever it was. But before that, it's my experience that I wouldn't say the majority. Many of the men that I served with came from very broken homes. Now, I came from a broken home technically because it was separated. But I had a very beautiful and amazing mom, uh, still do. My mom was Korean.

• 1:31:27Speaker 02

  And live part-time with her and then live part-time with my dad, who was an amazing human being. Who kissed me, uh, uh, and good night and tucked me in every night. Like was the nurturing, loving father and my mom was the same way. And so, yeah, technically I was broken, but there are service members that I've served with who have significant childhood trauma that I think, and I'll just say this out loud, that don't need to be going to I begane. They don't need to be going to psilocybin retreats.

• 1:31:58Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:59Speaker 02

  Because they're opening up a portal or box or whatever you want to use that can exacerbate that trauma without a lot of parameters or structure built to understand what it is in the first place.

• 1:32:14Tucker Carlson?

  Amen. I know I, boy, that, that comports with my instincts exactly. That there's, no one ever wants to say it since Freud, we all assume that getting everything out is always the wise course, but that's not always true. I mean, some things are subterranean for a reason. Do you really want to revisit them? Can you fix them?

• 1:32:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. You're messing with a, uh, a spirit world. Just to take a young guns, uh, quote, a spirit world that we don't know a lot about. That depending on your capacity to manage and deal with that can break you.

• 1:32:52Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I've seen it.

• 1:32:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:54Tucker Carlson?

  I had the great advantage of doing a lot of that stuff as a child. By the time I was, you know, 17, I was like, I don't think I'm doing that again. Cause like, yeah, I learned this lesson early, you know, not to brag.

• 1:33:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:07Tucker Carlson?

  But you know?

• 1:33:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:08Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, yeah. There's some stuff I, yeah, absolutely. Who know? Are we designed to understand in this life, everything that resides within us, much less the things that exist unseen all around us? I don't, I don't know that we are.

• 1:33:22Speaker 02

  And we're still interpreting the Bible.

• 1:33:24Tucker Carlson?

  A hundred percent. I don't understand all of John.

• 1:33:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:26Tucker Carlson?

  Like at all. So.

• 1:33:28Speaker 02

  I was reading John this morning and still trying to figure it out.

• 1:33:30Tucker Carlson?

  Me too.

• 1:33:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. John eight.

• 1:33:33Tucker Carlson?

  What, what passage?

• 1:33:34Speaker 02

  The truth shall set you free.

• 1:33:35Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, and the context where many people think that, um, the truth is like the truth by, by design that we, uh, are confronted with in life, but it has nothing to do with that. It's the truth that Jesus is our Lord and Savior, you know, he's preaching to the disciples, but saying that, you know, basically I am the truth. And if, if you're, if you're truthful about yourself and your relationship with Jesus, then you're separating yourself from sin. And that will set you free.

• 1:34:06Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:34:07Speaker 02

  Which, oh, I love. That gives me chills.

• 1:34:10Tucker Carlson?

  I do too. I was trying to figure out, I think it's John 13. I probably had this wrong, but it's in that range where he's, Jesus has raised Lazarus from the dead and the Pharisees are totally panicked. Of course they take no like joy in the fact a dead man, dead for four days is like walking around. In fact, they want to kill Lazarus. But they all meet, the council meets and they say, if he keeps this up, everyone will believe in him.

• 1:34:35Speaker 02

  True.

• 1:34:36Tucker Carlson?

  And then the Romans will destroy our nation and our temple.

• 1:34:42Tucker Carlson?

  And I'm, I've read this a million times, but it struck me. I was like, what does that even mean? If everyone believes in Jesus, the Romans will, why would, I don't understand what that means, but I feel it's significant somehow. Anyway, probably read that for the rest of my life and understand it.

• 1:34:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. Which is part of the process. Or, or inject yourself into that world and not be prepared. And then deal with ramifications.

• 1:35:08Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:10Tucker Carlson?

  Mike Glover, a man who is prepared for ramifications. Prepared is the book, a manual for surviving worst case scenarios. I really appreciate you're doing this.

• 1:35:17Speaker 02

  Thank you so much for having me.

• 1:35:18Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you.

• 1:35:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, thank you.