203. Sat Randhawa: Can You Train Your Brain? QEEG & Neurofeedback

What if we stopped guessing about the brain and started measuring it? In today's episode, my guest is Sat Randhawa of One-Hype Wellness, where he and his team are focused on using brain mapping and neurotechnology to better understand how each individual brain functions. We dive into QEEG brain mapping, neurofeedback, neuroplasticity, and brainwave analysis - and explore why there may not be a one-size-fits-all approach when it comes to the brain. Sat also shares insights into how technology is being explored across areas including focus, ADHD, stress, cognitive health, athletic performance, and recovery. In this episode, we learn: How QEEG brain mapping works What different brainwaves can tell us Why every brain may require a personalized approach How neurofeedback and neuroplasticity connect How brain mapping is being explored for performance and recovery Why measuring the brain could change how we approach brain health Sat brings a practical, data-driven perspective from his work with One-Hype Wellness, and we focus on one important idea: we don't treat a label, we treat a brain. Listen to this episode for a fascinating conversation about brain mapping, neurofeedback, and the future of personalized brain health-and discover what understaning your unique brain could mean for the way you think, perform, recover and live. Learn more about Dr. Shah: Website: drshah.com https://drshah.com Clinic: next-health.com https://next-health.com Instagram: @extend_podcast and @darshanshahmd Learn more about Sat Randhawa: Website: one-hype.com https://www.one-hype.com/ Thank You To Our Sponsors: Timeline: Timeline, powered by Mitopure, just dropped in price. Check it out using the link shop.timeline.com/DRDARSHANSHAH https://shop.timeline.com/DRDARSHANSHAH for up to 20% off when you subscirbe! IM8: Try IM8 with a 30-day money back guarantee. Get 10% off your first order with code DRSHAH at check out im8health.com/drshah https://im8health.com/drshah

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• 0:03Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Welcome to Extend with me, Dr. Darshan Shah, a podcast dedicated to cutting-edge science, research, tools, and protocols designed to help you extend your health span. Having become one of the youngest doctors in the country at the age of 21, and trained and board certified at the Mayo Clinic, I've accumulated three decades of practice as a board-certified surgeon and longevity expert. Over that time, I've discovered that a mere 20% of health knowledge yields 80% of the results when it comes to your health span. We're living in a new era where we are creating a new healthcare system, no longer focused on disease management, but achieving optimal health and vitality. Join me as I interview world-renowned experts, offering you a step-by-step

• 0:41Dr. Darshan Shah?

  guide to proactively avoid disease and, most importantly, extend your health span. Welcome back to Extend, a longevity and health podcast where we push the boundaries of human potential. I'm your host, Dr. Darshan Shah, and today, we're going to be diving deep into the fascinating world of brain health, neuro-optimization, and advanced wellness technologies with my friend, Sat Rendua. He came all the way across from London to join us in LA to talk about the technology of QEEG. He's a visionary force and builder of a company called One Wellness, a cutting-edge company dedicated to bringing clinical efficacy and rigorous science to devices like hyperbaric chambers, photobiomodulation, and quantitative

• 1:26Dr. Darshan Shah?

  electroencephalography, or QEEG. He's backing his work with science from the NASA and US military organizations. Sat has helped create the world's largest neurodatabase containing over half a million unique readings to help democratize brain mapping and bring hospital-grade diagnostic precision directly into clinical and consumer practices. In this episode, we're going to explore the history of EEG, how electrical pathways govern our behavior and brain states, and why treating N of 1 brain rather than a generalized label is the future of personalized brain care. Let's dive right in with Sat. My good friend Sat, it's so incredibly exciting to have you here in Los Angeles. Thank you

• 2:08Dr. Darshan Shah?

  for coming all the way across, across the pond, as you would say, right, to come visit me?

• 2:13Speaker 01

  No, it's my pleasure, Doc. Honestly, it's a privilege to be here. And yeah, thank you for having us. More importantly, such a cool platform to be a part of. So thank you so much.

• 2:21Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, I met you at a conference in London a couple of years ago now. And ever since then, I've just been so incredibly impressed with what you've built at your company, One Hype, with hyperbaric chambers and EEG devices, photobiomodulation. And what I've really been impressed with you is how much you dive into the science and really want to show clinical efficacy for the products you're developing.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  No, honestly, firstly, thank you for the kind words. For us, our whole strapline is no guesswork, just science. So we are a family-run company, and my journey into this was very organic. It was trying to understand what's real and what's not. And unfortunately, I've been on the wrong side of that. And our whole mission has been, how do we cut through it? How do we ask a really basic question? And if you can't give me a clear answer, then what's the issue there? How do we get that clear answer? So the skillset has always been bringing together really smart people like yourself and understanding how do we bring that knowledge and do something to, to the level that I would expect it. And we'll dive into it, but obviously, my story into this was, I

• 3:24Speaker 01

  nearly lost my leg. And for me, if I was given bad advice, I would have lost it. And so the mission is slightly different, and it is a privilege to be here and to talk to you about this.

• 3:34Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Thank you. And you know, there's so many different things that we could talk about here on wellness technologies and devices. But today, we're going to focus on QEEG, which is a brain monitoring and evaluation technology that is very simple to do. And I really want to dive deeply into that with you because we are launching a brain health program throughout all of our next health. And I think it's time, you know, people are suffering more and more with diagnoses and conditions, and all they're being given is a pill. And a lot of times, it's too much too late as well. And so that's kind of where I'd like to focus today. And I'd love for you to tell people, like, what is QEEG?

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, fantastic. So QEEG, it's, it looks at electrical pathways in your brain. So each electrical pathway creates an observed behavior, language encoding, decoding, memory encoding, decoding, focus, compulsivity, all the way down, in some cases, to bladder control. And so it really comes down to giving you a deep dive on your brain, looking at the electrical pathways. So for example, MRI always looks at the structure of your brain. It's fantastic, and we all should be able to understand that. Whilst an EEG looks at the electrical pathways, similar to an EKG for your heart.

• 4:42Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  So being able to understand those electrical pathways is crucial to make smarter decisions about how do we optimize? How do we help? Or how do we spot something that's not showing up, which is crucial, and we're able to do that?

• 4:54Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, no, that's, that's a great explanation. And your analogy to the heart is perfect because other than the heart and the brain, most organs, you can evaluate them with like an MRI and maybe some blood flow analysis, right? You have the physical structure, you have blood flow, but the heart and the brain are different. There's electrical activity that's being used by these organs to initiate some sort of physiological function. The heart is a very simple, I mean, it's not simple, but it's a simple version of what's going on in the brain. The EKG been around forever. I just had one done yesterday. And you know, you can see the pattern of the EKG, you could tell you if the heart is beating correctly, or if there's ischemia, which is blood loss in the heart, you could see that in the electrical activity. But the brain, I mean, the electrical activity in

• 5:38Dr. Darshan Shah?

  the brain, it is a whole other level, right?

• 5:41Speaker 01

  Trillions of fire.

• 5:42Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Trillions of neurons firing. And I think what the EEG discovered, and I want you to take us through the history of EEG, is that there are patterns of how neurons fire that we can track by using a device that tracks those electrical activities, right?

• 5:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 5:57Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And so this device has been around for a while now. Can you take us through the history of EEG?

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. So when we look at EEG, like I say, each part of your brain, so your four sections to your brain that people talk about, including your cerebellum, so let's call it five. Each one of those has certain ratios between delta, theta, and we'll dive into what all these do. But what EEG is able to do is understand, similar to bloodwork, what is normal and what is not. So we pick up pathways in certain parts of our brain. Each one of those pathways has a different task. So if we break it down, previously, what we were able to do is you have to apply a gel-based system, and this is one of the drawbacks that we'll get into.

• 6:31Dr. Darshan Shah?

  How long has EEG been around, though?

• 6:33Speaker 01

  I would say, well, slightly contentious, but let's just say, to be safe, 1930 is one of the clear cases when people are talking about, so coming up to 100 years.

• 6:41Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  So this isn't old technology. It's the way that we started to observe those patterns effectively. So 1930, a doctor called Dr. Hans was one of the pioneers in this. So he was able to look at a cohort and understand those pathways, and then observe what do they actually track to? And where do we see, let's just say, not abnormalities, but not like non-divergence. So this is what we're looking at. Where do we diverge from? And then deregulation.

• 7:06Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  And they were some of the key points that we were looking at earlier. I say we, but as, as, as a group that we were looking at in the brain. So EEG is really looking, okay, where are we seeing slightly differences from what the norm is? And now that's really, really changed to, there's no norm. And to steal your phrase, we're N of 1.

• 7:23Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  So how do we understand what N of 1 looks like? And we've had nearly 100 years worth of research.

• 7:29Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah. And so, you know, the way I think about it, too, is like, you know, the EEG is, this is not some kind of wellness technology or something like fringe now. This has been used in hospital settings for decades. And every sleep study that was done for decades was using an EEG. EEGs are used in surgery to monitor brain activity during like tumor removal, epilepsy surgery, et cetera. I mean, I've been in medicine now for 30 years, not to age myself, but I mean, I was taught about EEG in medical school.

• 7:56Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 7:57Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So this is a technology that's been locked up in kind of the Western care model for a very long time. And what you've done is create, finally, a consumer-grade device, meaning we can take it out of the hospital and make it easy to use at our clinic, for example, right?

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Exactly. So one of the, so we were funded by NASA, US military, and one of our key SLAs was, okay, we understand how.

• 8:19Dr. Darshan Shah?

  What's an SLA?

• 8:19Speaker 01

  Service Level Agreement, apologies. And so one of the key things was, okay, we know QEEG works. However, the barrier to get someone to do it, five, six, seven years for someone to learn how to do it, an hour or two to be able to apply it, read it, and potentially, a week later, once you're getting that report, understanding, oh, there was artifact noise here. Oh, it wasn't a clean reading. So that barrier to understanding how to do it for the consumer and for the masses is just too high.

• 8:44Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  So for us, what we had to do is do two things. One, how do we remove that barrier to train anyone quickly, but also, most importantly, keep the efficacy of what we do? And that's what we've been able to do. So we're in critical care facilities. So we use in hospitals, using the military, and obviously, some of these sports teams that we work with. But at the heart of it is, we don't lose the efficacy. And what we've been able to do is take it well beyond where it was before. So understanding what does good look like? Good looks like, and we touched on this when we were speaking earlier, if we're trying to look at blood markers, you wouldn't accept that, oh, this is what good looks like for a database, and it's got 600 unique reads. That, that's, that's implausible to me.

• 9:23Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  However, when I, so my background isn't in medicine. My background is to ask questions. And so I was a trader by heart. So if one plus one equals two, great. But why are you trying to explain to one plus one could equal six? Because I'm going to extrapolate and, and do, do a level of math that doesn't always make sense. So what we've been able to do now, we have the largest neurodatabase in the world, over half a million unique reads.

• 9:45Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Wow.

• 9:46Speaker 01

  So now we can make real precise.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Judgments on where your brain is. But the key part is, is what we're able to do with those judgments. We're not saying, okay, like Dr. Asher, we're in a similar cohort. But trying to say, okay, Sat, I remember, I'll tell you a little story how we got into this space. I remember I went to get my brain mapped and someone said, okay, a man of thirty eight, no longer thirty eight, but a man of thirty eight, right handed, you sit in the seventieth percentile of our bell curve. Okay, fantastic. Could you tell me, and I asked a very simple question, how many people are in that cohort? Twelve. How is that possible? So the mission has been, okay, we know what good looks like, we know what the brain looks like. But now we need to give a level of data that we can go and democratize health, bring this to the masses. So when we take a reading, we're not comparing you against a small database and extrapolating.

• 10:33Speaker 01

  We're comparing you as a massive database, clinical grade and non-clinical grade.

• 10:37Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, no, that's, I'm so glad you're doing the science once again to validate the, with the treatment programs and the data you're getting from the device. So what you're saying, Sat, is just like blood testing, you know, we know what the norms are because we have massive populations of people that tell us for healthy individuals, this is where you should be. And for these diseases, this is where, you know, this is the disease range. And so that we know that because we've done the research on hundreds of thousands of people. But to your point, like with the EEG device, that research was only done on small numbers of people. So with the data that you have of five hundred thousand people, you can make much better predictions about what is normal and what is also outside of normal.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  One hundred percent. And also, so we spoke about comorbidity, right? Understanding, okay, when, and we'll dive into this, people talk about ADHD, people talk anxiety, people talk about a lot of like PTSD, for example. However, in different brains, that shows up in different pathways. So what we work very, very strongly on, we don't treat a label, we treat a brain. And obviously this is where we really resonate with the three sixty approach that you guys take. It's a little bit like looking at, oh, I have this going on, take a statin. You wouldn't do that. Let's look at LDL, let's look at HDL. Okay, now we have a full picture of you, you're N of one. And that's the same thing we're able to do with the brain now. Rather than these good, solid stock protocols, how do we take it to that next level? How do we use the data that we have to look at your brain in such a specific way

• 12:06Speaker 01

  that is similar to giving a supplement that's to your absorption rates? Imagine someone, a pharmacologist could come to you and say, Sat, your absorption rate is this. Okay, your inflammation is this, this blend is going to work perfectly for you. And that's what we've been able to do with the brain.

• 12:20Dr. Darshan Shah?

  I love it, hyper personalizing it to the N of one of each individual person.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 12:24Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So let's do a little bit about how the QEEG works. So, you know, we have different regions of the brain. There's also different signals that have names like gamma, theta. Can you just give like a simplistic view of this, like you're talking to someone like in eighth grade or something?

• 12:40Speaker 01

  Well, I'll explain it how my engineer has always explained it to me. So we've got different brainwaves, right? And we've got different, so if we're looking at, okay, we're looking at delta, slower brainwaves. This is where, this is where we want to get into when we're trying to sleep. Okay, then you've got obviously theta, theta again, it's elevated levels of theta being, it's been, in most cases helps drive ADHD, but theta is actually great for you because it's talking about a calmness state. Say, but if you can get into that state, you can help to focus. And then you get into alpha, alpha is what we talk about is our flow state. It's that state where we want, everything comes naturally to us. You get, then then you move into beta, beta is like, okay, I'm focusing on this work and I can really start to focus in and understand what's going on. Then you've got gamma, which is that eureka moment.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  However, when it comes to your brain, you've got your prefrontal cortex, you've got your occipital lobe, temporal lobe, cerebellum, it really comes down to balances. So each one of those ratios that we're talking about, talk about delta, gamma, a beta, in each part of your brain, we're looking at different ratios. And then we're looking for dysregulation. So say, for example, prefrontal cortex, that's the CEO of your brain. Elevated levels of gamma there or elevated levels of theta there could potentially be connected to ADHD. But the, but the key is, it's not always the same. ADHD will show up in different ways in different people. And one of my, my biggest frustrations is, and I've been a victim of this, which what you drove us to dive into this.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  You, you wear a headband, one channel headband, saying, okay, focus, we're going to improve your focus. But the analogy that I use, and it helps me understand, is a little bit like, doctor, I come to you and say, I'm struggling to lift in the gym, which, which as you can tell from me, I do struggle to lift in the gym. But, and you said to me, okay, go into the gym and get stronger. But I haven't told you, I spent nine hours in the gym. And that's a little bit like what our brain is. People are taking tablets, people are putting bands on their heads, trying to improve your focus, trying to reduce your theta, because they're thinking, oh, that's giving me ADHD, it's taking me to the wrong brain state. But it's not always the case. It could be, okay, I've got elevated levels of gamma, my brainwaves are whirling, rather than theta, which is a little bit more elevated levels of theta is brain fog.

• 14:52Speaker 01

  So both of these will impact my ability to tune in and focus, but in two very different ways. Yes, most of the science says, okay, theta elevated levels of theta, brain fog will impact your ability to focus. However, I'll take myself N of one, like you say, I live in this elevated gamma state, jet lag, two young kids, constant stress, running your business, understanding what does good look like. It's not so much brain fog that's impacting me, it's hypertension, hyper focus. I need to drag myself out of that state. But what I was doing, what I was getting told to do was to treat it in a way that, okay, you can't focus because you're not getting into an alpha state or a beta state because you're in this theta state. That wasn't right for me.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  And that's where, to go off piece a little bit, but that's where we need to understand. You have these sections and you have these flow states, but how do we know which one you're in?

• 15:45Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  And that's the crucial part. Then coming back to the brain, for example, just to break it down, CEO of your brain, prefrontal cortex helps with executive function.

• 15:54Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 15:55Speaker 01

  Helps with planning. Then you've got your occipital lobe, let's say we're talking about a vision, focus. Temporal, we're talking about memory.

• 16:03Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  And then obviously, then you're talking about lateral lobe, apologies, we're talking about attention. All these need to be working together because it's state switching.

• 16:14Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 16:15Speaker 01

  And, and this is where obviously we can dive into it, but understanding these simple parts, this part of my brain helps you make decisions, this part of my brain is my vision, my cerebellum, we're talking about is my balance. Okay, temporal lobe is talking about memory. But one of my key things that we're trying to understand for people is my ability to encode a memory is very different to my ability to decode a memory. It's not the same thing. That comes down to ratios, balance, what's your state?

• 16:41Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  And just telling someone, I, as one of the guys from Brain Code, I really liked their analogy when they were on this podcast. It's a little bit like telling someone, learn Spanish. But that doesn't make sense, but I always got told, be present.

• 16:52Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  But what does present mean for me compared to you? On the surface, it might look like I'm not in the room, my kid's running around, I'm thinking about something else. But it's a little bit like shouting at me in the gym saying, be stronger. But we have different elements, different ratios to our brain. And we need to understand, for me, and I'll, I'll, I'll speak for myself, I live in such an elevated level of gamma, it actually impacts my ability to get into flow state. So I'll use hyperbaric oxygen chambers, multi light beds, I'll use PBM helmets. And one of the key things is understanding my state. So then I can use those crutches to understand how do I get out of that? How do I switch from one state to the other? But we're flying blind.

• 17:33Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  And we never fly blind on anything.

• 17:36Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right, right, exactly. And so, you know, there's also this question of left versus right handedness too, that comes up a lot with left hemisphere dominant, right hemisphere dominant people. How does that factor into evaluating your brain with EEG? And kind of what we're looking at when we see some of these waves?

• 17:52Speaker 01

  No, I, I love it. So if we break it down, the brain that we don't always talk enough about is activity versus connectivity. So if we're talking about activity, it's a little bit like, I'll take my body's analogy again. Okay, activity is my ability for my left arm or my right arm to do a task, let's talk about legs. It's my ability for my left leg and my right leg to be strong. Connectivity, if they're not working in sync.

• 18:14Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  I'm not going to be able to walk properly.

• 18:16Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  Or having a really, really strong left leg is, might be good, but if my right leg is weak, it's not good. So we're talking about your left hemisphere, so we're talking about more planning, structured tasks. We're talking about your right hand side, we're talking more, okay, emotional regulation, the right hemisphere. But it's all about balance, but balance doesn't mean fifty fifty, it's ratios. So when we talk about activity versus connectivity, having these certain parts of your brain that light up, fantastic. But is a certain part of your brain lighting up more? So imagine you're looking at LA, apart from the traffic. But if you're looking at LA from above, certain regions are all lit up, but which regions aren't lit up? How is that impacting you? So we're not looking to change you, we're looking to optimize and helping you switch state.

• 18:58Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  And that's the crucial part.

• 18:59Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah. And so I think, you know, one of the biggest tools in being able to switch state for a person is to understand what state you're in and what does it feel like to be in your brain when you're in that state? And that's where this whole concept was neural feedback comes into place, right? So the QEEG is very good at evaluating your brainwaves. But then as you change your brainwaves and you can see the brainwaves changing based on how you're implementing certain thought patterns, et cetera, getting that feedback tells you, oh, this is what it's like to be in the flow state, for example. Is that kind of how neural feedback works?

• 19:37Speaker 01

  One hundred percent. So the, I'm always a cynic in this space. So even though I'm in this space, I see myself as an outsider. I'm a cynic to a lot of this stuff, but what helped me, I remember when I had my brain mapped and it showed, okay, I'd be, there's an attention task, really simple task, it's available on a load of platforms, not just ours. It'll be, okay, every time you see the square, press X on the controller, nice and easy, give you the square, press X, fantastic. Nice and slow, another X, then we start to star view the X, throw in a triangle, okay, star view the square, show a triangle. And then as it started to starve, my brain went to an incredibly high level of hyper focus for about three seconds. Then it crashed. And then I was compensated with impulsivity and reactions.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  And that's what happens. So we're able to look at that. We're able to understand that. And my biggest thing would be, and I see it in meetings, if a meeting's drifting, I might say, hey, guys, we're gonna do X, Y, Z, let's move on. But that isn't always a process-led decision. So people, whether you're running your business, running your household, to understand, okay, this is where my brain goes when I've starved of stimulus. I always just presume my brain was, okay, I'm doing a process-led decision here, but that's down to luck. So the team laughs now, so I'll be there and I'll lean back and I'll touch my chin. Because I'm trying to reaffirm to myself, so am I in that state where impulsivity is taking over? Or am I in the state where I'm process-led? But you're only able to do that by understanding how do I get into that state?

• 21:04Speaker 01

  And this is where neuroplasticity comes into it. So with with neurofeedback, what we're able to do, we're able to retrain your brain. Li- literally, your brain is malleable. It's a muscle, it's great, but we're able to rewire your brain. And we're able to do that specifically for you. So say, for example, and I'll speak very openly, right now with the amount of travel I'm doing, with the merger that we've just gone through, my stress levels are through the roof.

• 21:28Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 21:29Speaker 01

  And that shows up on my brain map. Jet lag, etc. So when I go into doing neurofeedback, one of the crucial things, and we'll dive into what makes this system slightly different. But one of the crucial things that we've looked at is how do we take you from that stress state to bring you back to a flow state? And so we do something called neurofeedback. Neurofeedback's very, very simple. It's it's operant. So it's a little bit like a reward system. So we talk anything, when I was a child, they used to tell us about Pavlov's stock, right? Ring the bell, the dog starts to salivate. I don't know if, if you don't know that story, look it up. It was, it was like class one O one, we were taught as kids. But operant neurofeedback is giving you that feedback that you're looking for when you go to a certain task. So I'll speak really openly.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  Right now, my brainwave shows I live in elevated levels of hypertension, hyperfocus. I've got two young kids. We're growing a business consistently, traveling. How do we make sure that I have the right protocol to help? So one of the things that we'll do, and I'll get brain map when I go back home at the end of this week, I'll be looking at, okay, most of the time with me is the fact that there's fatigue, lack of sleep, and also elevated levels of tension. So we're trying to bring myself into those more calmer brainwaves. And one way we do that, for example, map my brain, you being calm is definitely different to me being calm. Because diving into, I've had a heavy concussion on my right-hand side when I was younger. So my brain map shows up something slightly different. So my neurofeedback has to be hyper-personalized.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  And that's what we're able to do with this device. We're able to hyper-personalize, not just stock, not just go into the gym, do squats. Imagine if you had an injury, would show you, the physiotherapist would show you how to do that squat correctly.

• 23:08Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  And unfortunately, I'm made of screws and plates after all the surgeries I've had, but me doing a deadlift looks very different to you.

• 23:14Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Sure.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  And I use these analogies because we want people to understand we can get so hyper-personalized. So when I go back and do my my specific protocol, I'll be watching Netflix. And I know it's not a case of me helping to get me more focused. It's actually a case of me pulling me out of that hypertension. Bringing me into more those theta waves, bringing me more away from gamma, beta, and alpha.

• 23:39Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  To help turn my brain into a state where we can more relax and recover.

• 23:42Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  So I'll be watching Netflix or other Hulu's big out here, I think. But I'll be watching that. And if I step outside of that state, it will blur.

• 23:51Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 23:51Speaker 01

  The sound will crackle. But the key point is, that's specific to my brain. Because if I was on a stock protocol, it might say a calmness protocol looks like this, and we'll get into it, but it might say, all right, I'm in elevated levels of gamma. I need to stop that for sat. However, if someone's telling me, sat, you're showing ADHD-like symptoms, we need to reduce your theta. I'm on the wrong protocol. But on the surface, I look like that's what's going on. And that's what neurofeedback's able to do is to dive in and give you that protocol specific to your brain.

• 24:23Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right. And so what you just described there is how you actually get the brain training. So you're actually sitting there with a device on your head. You're watching like a movie, like a show, whatever, on Netflix. And then the feedback happens with the screen actually blurring, so you can't really see what you're trying, you can't really see the show. And it tells you that you're not in the right brainwave pattern, right?

• 24:45Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 24:46Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And then that, once you're in the right brainwave pattern, everything comes back into focus. So then you can make, you can have some feeling about what it feels like to be in that correct pattern.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  One hundred percent. So I know for me, again, it's a physical trigger. My physical trigger is sit back. Class my hands, occasionally touch my chin, but that's triggering myself away from more of an active body movement.

• 25:08Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Ah, okay. So even physically, you can change your brainwaves?

• 25:10Speaker 01

  I'm I'm using these as tenant poles. Using these as tenant poles, breathwork is incredible. Like, even, I'll be honest, it's a privilege to be sitting opposite you. And I had a level of nerves, so I come in to a level of breathwork previously. And then I know your colleague probably looked to me slightly odd, what's he doing? But again, these are tenant poles to remove you from certain brainwaves and shift, state shift.

• 25:29Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  And but I'm aware of where my brain needs to go now.

• 25:32Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 25:33Speaker 01

  Rather than thinking, okay, this is me pumped, this is me ready. No, that's actually nerves, and that might not equate to a right decision.

• 25:40Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right, right. And so, you know, I think a lot of people that get stage fright, or maybe they're going to a job interview, it helps to do brain training prior to that, because then you learn how to regulate your thoughts. And you get the actual feedback from the device, showing you how to do that more effectively. So you can jump in and out of this, even without the device in your head. Because you've had practice, basically.

• 26:02Speaker 01

  One hundred percent. You're rewiring your brain's reaction to certain stimulus. Rewiring that so you understand you stay calmer in certain scenarios. You're able to trigger more active thoughts. So when we're getting into, say, gamma, fight or flight, you can't live in fight or flight, but you need to be able to get there if it's required.

• 26:19Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yep.

• 26:20Speaker 01

  And again, you want to get to a theta state, but you can't always live in that state.

• 26:23Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  But being able to state shift, often what happens to our brain, we're unable to shift. And and we've been part of big projects with the like of Nike and Silicon Valley, using our device to show, okay, how do we light up your brain? How do we understand where your brain goes? And we're all living in a state of constant dopamine hits. But that, there are studies to show, how do I keep you in that state?

• 26:46Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  And and you'll know better than me on that, Doc. Staying in elevated levels of that state is not healthy for you. How do we state shift?

• 26:53Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  And knowing your brain is crucial, just like knowing your absorption rates, your nutrition. Or so if I I have an allergy. But I'm, okay, I'm able to, okay, if I know what my allergy is, if I know what my blood type is, etc. If I know what a blood test told me, I can make smarter decisions. And it's the same with your brain.

• 27:09Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right, absolutely. It's like, finally, we have the ability to get actual markers on the brain and then affect those markers and see how we're doing over time.

• 27:22Dr. Darshan Shah?

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• 28:26Dr. Darshan Shah?

  These brain training sessions, how long do they normally last?

• 28:29Speaker 01

  Uh, around twenty minutes.

• 28:30Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Okay.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  Twenty minutes. And the same with your brain, for example, it fatigues, so you don't want to overdo it.

• 28:34Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  So we work with a lot of like elite athletes, and our biggest thing is pulling the handbrake up on those guys. Guys, calm it down. Your brain is just another muscle. We need to do three times a week, three times a week, twenty minutes. And you could like, obviously, with you guys going to be doing it at Next Health, and you could do it at home. But the key point is having that hyper-personalized way of doing it.

• 28:52Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right, right. No, I I think that's such a great tool. And, you know, going back to something that you said earlier around ADHD, right? I mean, we can see this now with this device. We can see that ADHD is real and where it's coming from. Because there's different types of ADHD coming from different parts of your brain, right? And rather than just putting yourself in a bucket of ADHD, which also, you know, a lot of people get put in that bucket and get put on medications, they don't really have ADHD.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 29:20Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right? So it almost seems like if I were to get that diagnosis, instead of going straight to the medication, which has potential long-term consequences, to get a EEG and make brain training part of the diagnostics, but also part of the solution.

• 29:35Speaker 01

  One hundred percent. And we need to be really clear that the barrier to using EEG, like we said, has been around for a hundred years. It wasn't the fact that it wasn't effective. It's just very, very difficult to scale.

• 29:46Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  So for for us, we don't, we don't run clinics. We, we, what we do is try and bring these products to incredibly smart people like yourselves, who can go make changes to democratize health.

• 29:56Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 29:57Speaker 01

  And that's where an EEG kicks into it. So us, our whole philosophy, so we can do it in hospitals, we can do it for everyone. But if we're looking at saving lives, changing lives here, we should be able to do it for everyone. So with the EEG, the markers are there to make smarter decisions. And why wouldn't you do that for your brain? Because obviously scalability was an issue, training was an issue. But now removing those hurdles to access, it can change.

• 30:23Speaker 01

  Billions of lives.

• 30:24Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah. And, you know, ADHD being one example of this, like, you don't want to be on those medications forever.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 30:30Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So it's okay temporarily to be on them, but then let's put into place a program to help your brain recover. So you can create the attention that you need. And it might not work for everybody, but you should at least give it a chance. Otherwise, you basically subscribe to a lifetime of being on medications.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  One hundred percent. It's a little bit like, I've, I've heard you talk in the past about statins.

• 30:50Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, very similar.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  It, it, it's the same thing. But, and what, what makes it scarier is, okay, we don't accept that. In our functional, your functional medicine space, I, but like, we don't accept that, but yet for the brain we do. And, and I find, I find that crazy, pardon the pun, but you, you can't do that, especially when we come down to it. ADHD is not always diagnosed correctly either. So we're, we're treating the wrong part of the brains. Let's, let's move away from, okay. Let's accept, which isn't the case, a hundred percent of ADHD diagnosis is correct. Okay, your, your laugh tells us everything, right? But let's, let's not debate in the gray. Let's just keep it black and white. Okay, a hundred percent of people come to you, do have ADHD. Okay. But not a hundred percent of them have it in the same manifestation of electrical pathways.

• 31:36Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right, exactly. There's different ways ADHD manifests in your brain. Different ways of creating it in different electrical pathway activities that then get bucketed into ADHD. There's probably like many subtypes, if you look at the brainwaves.

• 31:51Speaker 01

  Exactly, comorbidity. We're, we're talking about, say if someone's got ADHD, but they also suffer from anxiety. That, that pattern is going to be very different.

• 31:59Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  If someone's got, so we work heavily in the military. If someone's got PTSD and they suffer from depression or anxiety or ADHD. There's a whole different structure to electrical pathways. It, it's the same as when you're, when you're talking about in your body. You have to treat maybe one or two other things to get to this benchmark to allow you to treat the third thing. And that's where understanding that and acting correctly is where brain mapping is crucial. And then neural feedback, one of the elements, I know a lot of that other stuff you guys do in terms of hyperbaric oxygen chambers, NAD, IVs. But you make them hyper personalized to what's going on in that person's brain.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  Because we wouldn't walk into a clinic like Nexelf and accept, someone just looks at me and says, okay, take some subjective slash objective, depending on how they say, um. Opinions and then just hits me with a load of supplements and medication.

• 32:51Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right. Look, you only see real data, real measurable.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, but we're accepting that for the brain and that's not right.

• 32:56Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  And, and, and if we just bring it back to an issue, I said, we're accepting, okay. Everyone you've said's got ADHD has it, but you can't treat them in the same way.

• 33:04Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  And you, we don't accept that for the body. Let's not accept that for the mind. We just can't.

• 33:08Dr. Darshan Shah?

  I love that. You know, when I think about, we'll just stay on ADHD for one more minute here. You know, you, you, brain training, the neural feedback piece of this is part of a solution that most people don't have access to, right? And so we can give people that access through your device and various at home devices. But then there's also other things that really help. And you were telling me about some research that you guys have done using the neural feedback machine. Or the Q E G device and found that other treatments do work.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  The, it, it's incredible. It's incredible. So we always get approached by companies. So. Two of the other things that we build are hyperbaric oxygen chambers and red light beds.

• 33:46Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  That because I liked them, I use them and they helped me in my personal recovery. And I thought, okay, these are two things I understand I could do very well. But there's so many other modalities and we always get approached by companies that we work with. Can you show us what happens to your brain? And so again, we've done really cool case studies and obviously we will with you. Let's take cryo for example. Someone can be coming in such an elevated levels of hypertension, elevated levels of gamma, and they'll jump in the cryo. And then straight after, three minutes later, we take a brain mapping, alpha waves, we're in a flow state. We've changed your brain state. And again, we're talking about breath work, we're talking about cold plunge. But this is taking it to a whole new level.

• 34:25Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  So if we talk about, there's anxiety, for example. It is something that everyone has some level of it, but we're talking about photobiomodulation. Different schools of thought between, um, I won't get into too much, we're talking about nanometers. Different nanometers penetrate different parts of your body at different rates. Conventional wisdom was eight, 10 nanometers penetrates your skull, brain tissue to help elevate your blood. Blood flow to certain parts of your brain, ATP reactions. And then you use different frequencies, potentially pulse rates to trigger different reactions. Recent, without going too far off piece, but recent studies potentially thinking maybe 1070 is better. But regardless, by using this photobiomodulation on your brain, we're able to help train your brain, no, sorry, we're able to help.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Change brain state, parts of your brain that weren't lighting up. Let's just use a really simple analogy, weren't lighting up, weren't getting enough ATP reaction. We're literally helping people. And I say we, I don't mean we, we don't build brain, um, PBM helmets. But we've got a really good partner who does. And we've seen what that does. We've seen the efficacy of someone wearing that for 10 minutes. At different frequencies throughout the day, what it triggers to your brain.

• 35:34Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Wow.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  How we're able to take you from, and I, I travel with mine. So jet lag's always an issue for me. But I'll go on a sleep protocol. And that would, that would state shift.

• 35:45Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Wow.

• 35:46Speaker 01

  And it can actually, and then if you dive deeper into it, depending if it's in clinical hands, you could look at anxiety, PTSD. But there's so much you can do with these modalities. So coming back to, I know you guys are, uh, big proponents of H bot. Again, showing where your brain state goes for H bot, one of the things that I really like, everyone's got a whoring or a weeper, et cetera. You're able to see your cortisol levels just go into the basement after 15 minutes, which is incredible. Similar thing happens to your brain. Similar thing happens to your brain. And then like, I like to, I like to describe when I come out of a H bot, it's. Puts me into an alpha state because I feel like I'm floating, but I can zone in. It's, it feels like an oxymoron. I'm not dazed because without going off on what good H what looks like, a bad H what looks like, I'm not dazed.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  I'm focused and this is a state we should be living in. In that alpha state, with the ability to state shift up to high beta. Or gamma if it's fight or flight, or shift down to delta when it's time to sleep or theta. But that's what the interventions that you guys do, it's not guesswork, it's literally science.

• 36:52Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  And we're able to show how it works, able to say, okay, I come to see you, doc, and you say, sat. Okay, we're seeing this in your brain. I'm going to put you through this sleep protocol with this supplementation and we're going to measure you again in three weeks or a month. Okay, now we're going to move you to H bot. We're going to move you to this protocol, but it's based on tangible data.

• 37:10Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  For my brain, hyper personalized tangible data.

• 37:14Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, I love that. You know, I think, um, to your point, you know. A lot of these programs that you're talking about, whether it be for sleep or ADHD or anxiety. A lot of people think like, is this really working? But now we have the N of one data using the Q E G that we can use before and after to show that it works, right?

• 37:32Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 37:33Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And for some people it might not work, but if it works for you, you want to know, because then you want to double down on it, right? So PBM helmets, uh, for the audience, those are photobiomodulation helmets. And these are red lights, basically, different wavelengths that you wear in a helmet. And a lot of people like looking at those, like, do those really do anything? Well, if you have an EEG before and after wearing one that shows on you, it does change your brain state. It probably is doing something, right? And because the electrical activity in your brain is changing.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  And we're able to show you that real time shifts, right? Real time shifts. So for, for us, it's the case of if we can show something works, fantastic, even if we don't have a horse in that race.

• 38:11Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  We do a lot of case studies with other products and to show them they make tangible changes, because then we're just giving you more data to help.

• 38:17Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 38:18Speaker 01

  It, it, it's crucial, it's crucial.

• 38:20Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So like, uh, for example, with the photobiomodulation and wearing these helmets. Have you also studied, are those results long lasting? Like, do these results go beyond just that initial one treatment? And if you do them on a daily, do, wear the helmet like on a daily basis, does that lead to long lasting changes, even when you're not wearing the helmet?

• 38:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, it can make cellular change, which is crucial. And PBM, regardless of the form, be it helmets or light beds or panels, done in the right way. Which is always crucial. I was having a conversation with someone yesterday. We're privileged to be in this industry. However, we also need to call out what good looks like. And good looks like how when I, I, I leave you voice notes after listening to your podcast on my Monday walk. But good looks like the simplicity of the explanation. So if we talk about PBM, we're talking about irradiance, we're talking about nanometers. And then potentially frequency, because this isn't guesswork. This is based in studies. So we can directly correlate, okay, this should do this now. Let's go show you that it worked. H bot in the same way, NAD, certain drips, et cetera.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  But it really comes down to calling out for, I see myself as a consumer. For the consumer, we don't want to bamboozle you with science. We want to explain to you very simply why you should do this. If I can make us elevate levels of ATP reactions in your brain, your brain will start to function better. It's as simple as that.

• 39:43Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes, absolutely.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  And then the smarter science and the papers, I will step out a shot and that's for you, doctor. But we have to explain this to people. This is real science. It's not, our whole vision as a company has always been, I can do it in hospitals, I can do it in the military. We're bringing this to the masses.

• 40:01Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 40:02Speaker 01

  I'm not trying to. Hide in the corners and and and push this and push that. We're a family run company. It's never our mission. If I did like my dad would be on me. But yeah, I'm I'm the traditional Punjabi boy. And if you try and do something that's not right, my dad will definitely be on my back. But jokes aside, it's the science is there and our job in this industry should be to simplify it, to explain to people why they need it.

• 40:27Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah. And that's what I think is really important here too. Like a lot of things you're talking about, like the brainwaves and the different nanometers of light. It's very complex. Like even for myself, like I uh sometimes get lost in the depth of the science, right? Because it is very much like you can make nanometer adjustments in one therapeutic modality and see some change in brainwaves and then correlating that data. It's a lot of work to do this, right? And I'm just wondering, you know, thank goodness you've made it simple. But is there a world where AI further individualizes the data and the treatment modalities to be even more in sync to someone's individual biology?

• 41:06Speaker 01

  Yes, um, I'm smiling because I don't know how much I could talk about this. So for us, we're working on an agentic AI model, which goes well beyond the brain. It it's looking at, so if you look at our database, the billions into trillions of markers that we've got. We work with VO2 max testing. We work with blood testing. We work with multiple supplementation companies. And what we're able to do with our agentic AI is to to draw parallels, to draw correlations and to provide that information to you. But then you put that against studies to show, okay, is that causation correlation or is this real?

• 41:46Speaker 01

  And so one of the things that obviously what we will be coming, working with with you guys and you're you're challenging us to be better is okay, that's great. But now I need to know, okay, what does this brain map mean for the next health system? What does this mean? And that's what agentic AI is doing. So we're already doing it for for certain bodies. But now we're going to bring that to the masses. And for me, this is my life's mission.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Sorry, I'll get emotional, but the right advice can change so many lives. And I remember so without going off, I remember I I knew about you well before we met. And again, when you talk about your three hundred and sixty five day changes, it's incredible advice and the right advice can change lives. And what we're able to do is to take all this smart data led ethical information, bring it together, draw the correct parallels, and then give you a protocol that will work for your client.

• 42:46Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  And which is then it's up to you, Dr. Turkey Sat. And like you guys already doing, this needs to be like that.

• 42:53Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 42:54Speaker 01

  Because you're innovators. But working with you guys and using agentic AI is massive. Not to replace, but to supplement.

• 43:01Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 43:01Speaker 01

  Which is, we're in this ethical dilemma without taking the podcast in a different direction. But we're in a we're in an ethical dilemma and we have to stand up to that where it's supplementing the experts like yourself, not replacing the experts. And it's a really exciting mission. It's, I'm obviously impassioned by H Y saved my leg and but this brain, this brain stage that we're at as a world, that we're constantly living in anxiety. We're constantly misdiagnosed, sold to. We we we have a job to help people change their lives by giving them the right information and giving them the right pathways.

• 43:38Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, absolutely. You know, I think the brain is in a really tough spot right now for us as a civilization. We are now slaves to our devices, which are constantly distracting, constantly stressing, and never allowing our brains to turn off. And you know, if we keep going in this direction as humanity, all of our brainwaves are going to be very similar in about a hundred years. And they're going to be completely disordered messes of anxiety and depression and just, you know, no one's going to have any even understanding of how to get to a flow state anymore, right? People don't understand, like, this is something that's passed on generation to generation through

• 44:20Dr. Darshan Shah?

  methylations of our genes, right? That this is, this can compound over time, the way we're living right now. And so tools like what you're bringing to us and, you know, I always looked at next health as like a basically like we're not creating all these technologies, we're giving people, regular people, access to them, right? And so people need to have access right now to, number one, have the realization, number two, you know, have a program to put into place and turn this tide around.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I I see, and you can steal this one, Doc, I see next self as a gatekeepers of excellence. And I'm not just saying that because I'm sitting opposite you. I'm saying that because we spoke off camera. There's far easier ways to make money in this world.

• 45:02Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Absolutely.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  But this is a mission led company, right? And what we're able to do is change lives. And coming back to your point, and I guarantee this. If we compared what a normal brain looks like, and I hate that phrase, but for this, it will it will help. What a normal brain looked like twenty five years ago compared to what a normal brain looks like now. It's totally different.

• 45:23Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And you have the data to show this.

• 45:24Speaker 01

  Yes, ratios and then it's ratios. Your brain hasn't like, you don't have a different type of brain. You have different, like when we came back to activity and connectivity, it's different ratios now. It it it comes down to, okay, like I was talking about, and I'll always be very open about my brain, living in an elevated level of fight or flight isn't healthy. But too many of us live in that state. And trying to shift is impossible. We're finding it so hard. And that and unfortunately, we live in a world that's commercialized in a way that keeping us in this constant dopamine hitting, this short cycle of attention is going to benefit a lot of people, but it's not going to benefit civilization.

• 46:06Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  But you don't know you're in that state until someone's able to tell you.

• 46:10Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 46:15Dr. Darshan Shah?

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• 46:59Dr. Darshan Shah?

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• 47:42Dr. Darshan Shah?

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• 48:06Dr. Darshan Shah?

  You know, I'd love to just kind of go through a few things that we see quite frequently here at Next Health and see kind of how we can tie Q E G into this. And also kind of what kind of protocol do you see coming into place? Using modalities that people have not thought of specifically like, you know, the the obvious cure sometimes, sorry, the the obvious treatment, not cure, for most people is to go see a psychologist or a psychiatrist and go through some sort of therapy and then also get put on some kind of pill specifically for, let's let's hone in on depression. Okay? How does this change the game? How does this new kind of thoughts around using neurofeedback, brain mapping, and some of the other modalities have available? How how would that journey look now with the tools we have available?

• 48:51Speaker 01

  So one of the things about neurofeedback is if you're, so psychiatry, psychology, CBT. Fantastic.

• 48:59Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes, we need those things.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Yes, one hundred percent. And I'm fully here. I'm part of the medical model. So without living off morphine for ages and like tramadol, I wouldn't have been able to walk because of my leg.

• 49:11Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  And I I preface that because I'm fully understand the place for where medication is required. However, when we're looking at the brain, we are changing the wiring of your brain forever. So they say, oh, you never forget how to ride a bike. But why? It it is because when someone has a stroke, they have to rewire their brain, right? And we're wiring your brain to change it. And that's the same when we're talking about anxiety, we're talking about depression, we're able to wire your brain, but the key part is you're N of one. And like this is a phrase that I'm loving to hear more comorbidity is if you're showing multiple things in your brain, it's not, you can't just diagnose a condition, you need to diagnose and treat a brain.

• 49:55Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  You see, you've got multiple things going on and you've got multiple barriers to getting to what good looks like. And when neurofeedback comes into it massively is, okay, I've mapped your brain. I understand. So one of my biggest frustrations, and I understand commercialization is crucial in this world. And I did it for about two years. I was wearing a band, which literally was one channel.

• 50:16Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Hmm.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  To help me focus. It may be worse. And I couldn't understand why, be because it wasn't working the right part of my brain. Literally, we were talking about my ratios were off, but not, not in my prefrontal cortex.

• 50:30Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Got it.

• 50:31Speaker 01

  My connectivity was off. And so by being able to help with neurofeedback, by being able to help with these other interventions that you guys do, i- it's crucial because we're not masking it with a pill. We are literally changing how you're wired. In a similar way, we talk about DNA and genome and everything like that. We're talking, okay, how do we, what is set forever and what isn't? And we need to know your brain isn't set forever like that.

• 50:58Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  So if we take the most extreme case that I could, that we've been a part of is stroke recovery, helping people walk again, helping people speak again. And there's like, like my business partner, we were with him yesterday and we work heavy in um, in skilled nursing homes and with Alzheimer's and dementia, helping people remember their children's name.

• 51:19Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Hmm.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  We haven't cured anything. But what we've been able to do is show you that decoding of a memory, improving that decoding of a memory. That sounds impossible, but that's not just us. That's, the science is able to do that.

• 51:34Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  And yeah, sorry, Doc, is that, is that on that, is something that's close to my heart because in the family, we've had that.

• 51:42Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 51:43Speaker 01

  So being able to bring that to the masses or show them, it's, it's not easy, but it's there.

• 51:50Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  And so, yeah, and I've gone off on a tangent, apologies, but with neurofeedback, with these other interventions you do, you can make smarter decisions.

• 52:00Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  That lasts forever.

• 52:01Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 52:01Speaker 01

  And which is crucial. It's not a subscription model. It's okay, let's find you a different benchmark. Fine. What do you want to do now?

• 52:08Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  Okay, uh, which direction do you want to go in? We can, we can train your brain and I, I don't know if we have time, but one of the things we're doing in sports is that. And so.

• 52:18Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah. So this is like on the performance side of things. Like obviously athletes, you know, they, they, they need to be hyper focused. They need to be in flow state. And sometimes they want to change things, like you were telling me about the handedness, right? Like, brain training even works for that.

• 52:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. And this is what's really cool about the space that I'm a massive sports geek.

• 52:36Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 52:37Speaker 01

  Massive sports geek. So we, we've got the privilege of working with some of the biggest names in, in the world. And again, just like how you guys challenge us to be better. They challenge us to be better.

• 52:48Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Mm hmm.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  So right now, and so we worked with the MLB team and I can't say too much, but one of their biggest things was for a specific hitter. And apologies, my English phrases might be wrong compared to, but for a specific hitter, they wanted to pull to the left. He just couldn't do it. Couldn't do it. And when he was in that game state, couldn't pull to the left. All right. So we got called in. How do we, how do we help? First thing we did was we brain mapped him in a calm, relaxed environment. Okay, this is what your brain looks like when you're doing that. And then we knew, okay, this is your hitting arc normally. Mapped him in his hitting arc. Okay, this is where your brain goes.

• 53:21Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Hmm.

• 53:22Speaker 01

  When you're in your hitting arc. Now pull to the left. Certain elements of your brain just started firing off. Okay. So now we understand is that anxiety is that, well, we, let's talk sports terms, is that performance anxiety in England or in Europe, we call it white line fever. You step over that white line, suddenly you can't exhibit your skills. And coming back to a point I made, it's not that you don't have that skill. You need to decode that skill to be able to do it. But how do I control my brain in that scenario? So what we were able to do was take it, this part of your brain lights up when you're doing this action. Practice that action. Okay, practice that action. Now let's go put you in that state again. Okay, that still started to light up a slightly less. You're leaning into this part of your brain, which is more, okay, controlled movements, more SMR.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  Training your SMR, your sensory motor rhythm is one of the key things that's done in elderly patients, Alzheimer's, trying to avoid fall risk, coordination.

• 54:12Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  And again, we do this in hospitals. And so now we're able to do that with, like with athletes, with everyone really. And one of the coolest things we saw, we started training his SMR, started training, okay, looking at anxiety responses. And I, I wasn't a big baseball fan, but now I'm a geek for it. He, he can pull to the left.

• 54:32Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  And now what we've been commissioned to do is make ambidextrous footballers. Like, like my dream is always being, I won't name names because obviously like, but we've got some footballers that are so one footed. But they're incredible.

• 54:45Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  And we're working on something now. We, we do a specific N of one, like you say, protocol, we map their brain. Great. Put them on SMR training protocol. So sensory motor rhythm, a specific protocol for that part of your brain. That's helping you with coordination, motor movement, hand eye coordination. Within ninety minutes, what we're seeing now, you do that for twenty minutes and you go train within ninety minutes. Simple skills, weaker foot, weaker foot. Touch, turn, shoot. The improvement in coordination. And we do this in conjunction with other experts, looking at, okay, biomechanics, looking at accuracy. The improvement in coordination is incredible. And what we're doing is rewiring your brain. If we can train someone to walk again, well, then obviously we can help,

• 55:31Speaker 01

  we can help someone be slightly better at a sport.

• 55:33Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes, yeah, yeah.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  And it's, it's, um, it's a privilege, like we, so sports side, we're probably in a whole new podcast if we talk about sports, but how do we get someone to be clutch?

• 55:44Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  And we always ask, great, that moment, I always come back to the twenty twenty four Olympics. Was it twenty four? I think it was, like Steph Curry in the finals, he's got LeBron and KD over there.

• 55:54Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  Two of the, two of the goats of all, I won't get into that, but instead he shot over two players.

• 56:00Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  Because his mindset, he's in that clutch.

• 56:02Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 56:03Speaker 01

  It's not about bravery. Everyone's brave, but it's that how do you exhibit your skill set in that moment?

• 56:08Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  And we can all do that in everyday life.

• 56:10Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  Coming back to my point from earlier, be present. Shouting at me to be present doesn't help me be present. But helping me understand what's happening to my brain, that helps me be present.

• 56:20Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah. Are there studies uh, using Q E G and the use of, like the medicinal use of certain psychedelics like psilocybin or, um, you know, I look at ketamine for depression, et cetera.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. So they're still in their infancy.

• 56:33Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  There, there are a lot of studies and right now we're, we're working closely with a group looking at that.

• 56:39Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Amazing.

• 56:40Speaker 01

  Literally looking at that. And then the next stage, what we're looking to do, hopefully, understand where ketamine takes your brain. Okay. How do we replicate that with your feedback?

• 56:48Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  How do we replicate that through neurofeedback? Because this is the parts of the pathways that change.

• 56:54Dr. Darshan Shah?

  We're also using neurofeedback during a state of increased neuroplasticity with psilocybin or ketamine.

• 57:00Speaker 01

  Oh, one hundred percent.

• 57:01Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right. I mean, you're, you're inducing, you're inducing neuroplasticity and reforming brainwave patterns and, or brain electrical patterns, right? And when you're the most neuroplastic is when that's going to really take hold. So could be very interesting to do studies around, you know, brain training while in a state of increased neuroplasticity using a psychedelic.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  I think you've been looking at my notes, Doc. It, it's, it's the next frontier. So we, we've done.

• 57:28Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Definitely next frontier, right?

• 57:29Speaker 01

  We've done case studies in H one. It's been crazy to see, okay, it's incredible where someone's brain goes with elevated levels of oxygen and pressure and doing neurofeedback.

• 57:39Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Mm hmm.

• 57:39Speaker 01

  The pathways that open up are stunning.

• 57:43Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Hmm.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  It's stunning. So this is part of the reason that we, we are commissioned to do this in the, in that space.

• 57:48Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So during brain training and neurofeedback, while in the hyperbaric oxygen chamber could also have a similar effect because there's an increased rate of neuroplasticity in that chamber as well.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 57:58Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Hmm.

• 57:58Speaker 01

  Exactly. And then we also come down to when naturally you're bringing down your stress levels.

• 58:02Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  So it opens up pathways that potentially were unable to be opened up by just doing neurofeedback alone.

• 58:08Dr. Darshan Shah?

  So cool. Yeah.

• 58:09Speaker 01

  And this comes back to, you, you've probably heard it, and I think I've heard you right against it. Everyone's stacking.

• 58:14Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  Everyone's stacking, but we don't need to stack. We should program.

• 58:18Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  Program the right elements. Once you program the right elements, anything's possible. Stacking is just part, part of my French, but it's just, you're just throwing stuff at stuff and.

• 58:27Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 58:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, it might work in isolation, but we're N of one. So let's program. And obviously, I'm not being an advert for Next Health, but this is what you guys do.

• 58:35Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, we, we definitely.

• 58:36Speaker 01

  Program.

• 58:36Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yep. We, we unstack a lot of people, you know, because people are doing too many things with no real feedback or biomarkers to show that anything is working. And so we actually unstack people by showing them like, that's not working. Stop doing that. Instead, let's find something that works. One thing at a time for your N of one. Where can we actually show using numbers? And now we have the Q E E G available for another set of biomarkers that what is really working and the best use of your time and money.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  Exactly. One of the coolest things is with Q E E G. So we're talking about tremors, for example, because we obviously work heavily in the clinical space. The physical manifestation of a tremor. Uh, your brain's been fighting that for ten, fifteen, twenty years potentially. And we're a small part of that diagnostic, right? So you obviously need MRI spec and everything like that, but we're able to look at your beta ratios. Your beta and theta, your beta and alpha and your gamma ratios to understand. Okay, what is happening here? Something is changing over time. But by the time there's that physical manifestation, your brain's been fighting it for a while. So we're able to get ahead of that curve.

• 59:39Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  We're able to understand that ratio. And this is, this is really truly life changing. And we might, once, if we train your S M R, we train your beta, you're able to help retain a lot of the function that you start to lose. We can't cure it through neurofeedback. We're able to help retain function that potentially will be lost later down the road.

• 1:00:02Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  And this is in our fingertips right now.

• 1:00:05Dr. Darshan Shah?

  There's another technology that we brought into Next Health called transcranial synaptic stimulation. Is there a world where a certain diagnosis or even just pattern on Q E G can use transcranial synaptic stimulation and then see an improvement afterwards?

• 1:00:21Speaker 01

  One hundred percent.

• 1:00:21Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  One hundred percent. And that's, that's not even, it's not even a jump. It, it, it's a clear linear correlation between what that, and obviously I don't want to dive too much into everyone's brain is different, but you can make significant changes. You make significant changes to pathways and understand again, state shifting is crucial, helping with anxiety. It, it's massive.

• 1:00:41Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  It, it's one of the things that we, we toyed with getting involved with it a while ago, but there's so many companies doing it so well already. So congratulations to them. It's such an effective tool.

• 1:00:53Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  And it, again, is science. It, it is science and it can make such an incredible change to your state. Depending on where your state is, it coming back to me, obviously, constant hypertension, allowing me to state shift, it, it's one of the best things.

• 1:01:08Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right. I love it. Yeah. Yeah, we're seeing a lot of benefit with transcranial synaptic stimulation, with post traumatic stress disorder, some depression, anxiety for sure, attention deficit, like lots of, lots of potential uses. But I do think that there's a world where the Q E E G will tell us how effective this will be, right? And so that's where I really want to get to with you is like, what are the specific brainwave patterns where we know this technology will work? Or should we not do this because it just won't work in most of your cohort analysis?

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. And one of the cool things that you're able to see from Q E G is potentially the neuropathicity of that client.

• 1:01:46Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  That might not be right for them.

• 1:01:48Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  The effectiveness, like how effective would that be for that client? Right. So again, coming back to N of one. So it gives you the right level of data to say, okay, we're going to program you in a way that this fits for you. Or it doesn't, we're going to bring you to a different benchmark and then reassess.

• 1:02:05Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  And that's crucial, being able to do, and being able to do that in real time.

• 1:02:08Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes.

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  That's one of the things that we didn't even talk about, the fact that we've taken something that would take maybe a week for you to get results.

• 1:02:16Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Sure.

• 1:02:17Speaker 01

  You can get it done in six minutes.

• 1:02:19Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Oh, and I remember, you know, like doing this in the hospital. It would take like an hour to set it up. You'd have to shave some of the person's hair. It was a big deal.

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  I don't have much to lose, so I'm not here for that.

• 1:02:29Dr. Darshan Shah?

  No, but like you don't have to do that anymore. Now people can get it done, you know? You don't have to shave your head. You don't have to be there for an hour or two getting it set up. To your point, like, you know, once you get the results, someone reads it. And then like a week later, you get the results. Or sometimes you just find out it wasn't done right. You don't have enough information and you get nothing. And then you're like so frustrated because now you have to do the whole thing again. And now it's like, you put this thing on. In fact, let's, let's bring it up here on the table. I love to show people on YouTube. So if you're listening on the podcast, obviously, like if you're driving, don't, don't look at the screen right now. But if you are on YouTube and, or if you're listening to the podcast on a podcast, go to YouTube and you can see the actual device. It's pretty cool looking, actually.

• 1:03:12Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Can you take us through exactly a little bit of show and tell here? So it looks like a, like a Medusa hat.

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  Shall I grab it?

• 1:03:18Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, go for it.

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  So, so what we're seeing here is obviously it's a 20 channel device. So I, I won't put it on, but.

• 1:03:26Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And the number of channels matter because the more places you're measuring electrical activity, the better resolution you're going to get of the data.

• 1:03:33Speaker 01

  You put that so eloquently.

• 1:03:34Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  So let me flip down the other side in terms of you'll hear phrases like extrapolate. You'll hear phrases like A I.

• 1:03:42Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:43Speaker 01

  How can you possibly draw conclusions if your database is so small?

• 1:03:46Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 1:03:47Speaker 01

  And this is what we rail against as a company is in, you need to get such a foundation of data that, okay, in the future, if we're extrapolating, you're doing it from a point of real depth of knowledge.

• 1:03:57Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 1:03:58Speaker 01

  Just like with blood testing. And that's the closest thing I can draw. You wouldn't just have a cohort of 600 people and just start extrapolating. It doesn't make sense. So what, what we've got going on here is current Q E G systems. One of the biggest barriers has been it's a gel based system.

• 1:04:11Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  So we always get told, ah, I had a Q E G, it was, it was a horrible setup. I had to put gel all over my hair. It took an hour to set up. They took the reading or they didn't know if one of those too much noise, had to move it. And I, I, obviously I'd been through that. I was patient enough because I wanted to know what was going on, but it was such a drawback to people wanting to do it because it's not the practitioner's fault, it's the technology's fault.

• 1:04:32Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  And so then to go through something for an hour and not to be able to get a good reading, it, it doesn't work for a lot of people and it puts them off. So what we've been able to, what we were tasked to do is have a dry system. So like the doc said, it's, it's, it's a cap. It looks a little bit like a Medusa helmet. But each one of these electrodes, this is where the magic happens. So make sure if you can see here.

• 1:04:53Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yep.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  These electrodes will pick up the electrical pathways.

• 1:04:56Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  And then that is where the magic happens. Having a clean reading is crucial. Having a clean reading that gives you that electrical pathway. And we work on a traffic light system. So if you're setting someone up, I could technically train you, well, not me, one of my specialists could train you within an hour to do this. And if you're setting up, it'll give you a traffic light system to say, okay, you're not connected. Okay, no, there's too much artifacts. You literally just have to adjust to pick up the electrical pathway.

• 1:05:22Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  And then each one of these electrical pathways, like I say, different parts of your brain. So if we're talking here, prefrontal cortex, we're talking about, okay, the CEO of your brain that we're talking about, talking about here, okay? Cephalo, cerebellum, we're able to pick up those pathways straight away. And then within, depending on how deep you want to go, but within six minutes, we'll give you a deep dive on your brain, a clinical grade, depending on whose hands it's in.

• 1:05:46Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:46Speaker 01

  And then what we've worked so hard on for the last four years is how can I give you the version of the whoop or the oaring for your brain? That was the mission I set out to our neurologists and our scientists was, hey, I, if I don't get it and I can't, I can't go see Dr. Shaw. Right? There's only, literally is N of one. But now we can train your team to be in, in your thought process. Okay, this is what we're seeing. These, this is what the report says. This is where you are for focus, creativity. All the way to brain age, which is one of the biggest innovations that we've done. It's, we're able to give your brain age and give you a brain score based on this huge database. And so these, each electrical pathway is measured through this.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  Instantaneous report given to you.

• 1:06:33Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah. No, that's, that's.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  And it's comfortable. It is comfortable, like.

• 1:06:37Dr. Darshan Shah?

  It's super easy because like you just put it on, doesn't matter how much hair you have. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I love for people to see what it looks like. And what's a game changer for this, having done so many E Gs in my life in the hospital, is that there's no gel that's needed. These little collapsible electrodes just go right through your hair, onto your scalp. I mean, you put it on in two seconds, so.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. So we have little challenges. So we, we, we've got a, we've got a different device coming out. And one of the key things that we're able to do with that device is get you set up in less than a minute. The setup for this, we say five minutes, really with the trained practitioners, two to three. Because literally it comes down to, okay, I need to adjust. I'm looking at my traffic light system and it won't let you take a mapping if there's a bad read. Which is crucial. It won't leave you in a situation where, oh, sorry, that was a compromised read. Those artifacts, which is crucial because you, you're guaranteed to have a good level of data from.

• 1:07:32Dr. Darshan Shah?

  This is fantastic. And so the new device is going to be even better?

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  I wouldn't say better. I, I, I would say it's slightly smaller. And then, but what we're able to do with that device is because, and what we're testing right now is that, that device will be able to actually, we're comparing right now 20 channels versus the nine channels. Doesn't give me exactly the same reading because those nine channels is what you need for neurofeedback. And when we say neurofeedback, we're talking deep dive clinical grade neurofeedback. So having a slightly smaller device with the same efficacy is the next step.

• 1:08:04Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Got it, got it. So then you don't have to wear this big Medusa helmet for neurofeedback. You just wear the nine.

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, you wear the nine channel one and, uh, which is great. But it all comes down to same data set, same efficacy. And as, as we've hammered home, it's, if the science backs it up and the data backs it up, we'll keep progressing. And we're really close to that. Really close.

• 1:08:21Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Well, I'm super excited about launching this here at Next Health and bringing this data to people. So many people are suffering more and more now with attention deficit, anxiety, depression, and even just, you know, cognitive health, right? Like as we age, people are getting cognitive decline so much sooner. And I, it's very concerning and people really don't know what to do. And I think this can be a massive part of the solution. So I really appreciate you bringing this technology to the world and to Next Health. And, um, you know, I really look forward to bringing this forward and I can't wait to have you on again to talk more about what we learned here in this partnership.

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  Again, Doc, all I can say is an absolute privilege to be here. We're hoping to change millions of lives. The, the innovation is here and let's stop guessing on our brain. Let's start making the changes that are right because like you say, we're N of one.

• 1:09:11Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Well said, well said. Where can people learn more from you or the company? Is there a website that people can go to?

• 1:09:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, so we're at one hyphen hype dot com. And on Instagram at one hype dot wellness. So you can, you can check us out there. And in, in terms of, we've got a lot of educational material in terms of what we do, our YouTube channels, and there's a lot of studies and free materials because one of the things is you don't always have access to a H box. But we can always make a lot of changes. So educating and helping, helping is what we, we really have at the heart of what we do. So working with you guys will help us do that.

• 1:09:43Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Thank you, man. Thank you so much for joining me. We'll talk soon.

• 1:09:46Speaker 01

  I appreciate it.

• 1:09:47Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Thank you.

• 1:09:50Dr. Darshan Shah?

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