NFL Week 3 storylines: Who's the best now? Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, talk Shedeur Sanders, Tom Brady owner vs broadcaster, boxing GOAT debate Crawford, Mayweather and Ryan Clark on player vs non-player perspective

"What's true, what's not true, the world is changing right in front of us." Fred Taylor In a world filled with uncertainty and questionable times, Ryan Clark, Channing Crowder and Fred Taylor come together for this 3-man conversation on what unites us all- humanity, sports and laughter. This week in sports, nothing is a guarantee — and that’s what makes ball great, you have to play the game to see how it shakes out. We break down the NFL's most debated questions heading into Week 3: Is Patrick Mahomes still on top, or is Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson closing the gap? Why did Shedeur Sanders not want to play in Baltimore? How is Tom Brady's dual role between owner and broadcaster affecting how he does is job and the advantages vs disadvantages of his presence. RC weighs in on player and non-player perspectives in media while Channing and Fred talk through the frenzy of it all from last couple weeks. And we get into ring talk, following Bud Crawford's victory vs Canelo and where does it rank the undefeated pound for pound champion with the greats, did this move him up on boxing's throne high enough to take Floyd Mayweather’s GOAT crown? We discuss. Pivot Bets are paid with college football rivalry wins in our family and the guys open up on sharing thoughts and feelings around all that's going on in the world today. Tap in to kick off your weekend with your favorite trio. Thank you to Toyota and as you heard, we talked about Toyota's all in partnership with football and game day giveaways, Learn more at https://toyota.com/nfl Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:28Ryan Clark?

  It's in times like these that you need your friends, you need support, conversation, and mostly laughs. And that's exactly what you'll get today. But first, we needed to check in on one another. It's a tumultuous time in our society, and you gotta tap in with your people, even the strong ones. But we'll eventually get into ball, and we dove into the non-player-player perspective as analysts, and then even got into the team-owner-commentator dynamic after Tom Brady sat behind Raiders OC Chip Kelly in the booth on Monday night. We recap Bud Canelo, and we really start to get into whether or not Bud's the GOAT, and does Floyd Mayweather have a little something to say about that? Speaking of GOATs, is Pat still that guy?

• 1:13Ryan Clark?

  Or is Patrick Mahomes even the best quarterback playing football right now? And if he's not, is it the dude in Baltimore? And if you're Shador Sanders, why wouldn't you want to be drafted there so you can learn behind Lamar Jackson? Before the show wraps, though, Fred had a little bone to pick with Chan, and I specifically wanted to thank a particular comedy king. This one has all the feels, so thank you for pivoting with us on this three-man Friday conversation.

• 2:04Ryan Clark?

  I mean, first of all, welcome to the Pivot Fab. Thank you for pivoting with us. Another three-man Friday. Excited to sit down, share with the boys, talk to the boys, just kind of get their thoughts. It's been a heavy few weeks, or a couple of weeks, or last week, you know, however that frame is in your mind, in our society, in our country. I think for me, I just want to check in with y'all and, you know, just see how y'all doing.

• 2:29Channing Crowder?

  Bro, I'm good. Life throws haymakers at you. You know, we talked about, I just did something else for my dad in his hometown. Life throws, they throw curveballs, and you gotta deal with it. But it's your circle. The people you're around, if you show me your best friend, I'll show you what you want to be or what you are. Because that's the people you're around. So, to be honest, right now, bro, it's been some times, and, you know, throughout the show where I wasn't good, and I kind of articulated it. But I think right now, bro, I'm straight.

• 3:05Fred Taylor?

  It's just so much going on in the world that, you know, it allows you moments to kind of sit back and reflect, reflect on where you've come from, you know, where you've been, where you're going. You know, and really, what's going on with humanity? What's going on with people? You know, a lot of times, I think like, damn, I wish I could leave this ball. Whether we living in it or on it, how do I get away from it sometimes? Because you grow up, you know, majority of my life, because this is a new world. Social media, AI, it's so much going on. What's true, what's not true? The world is just changing right in front of us. Because in one instance, you can believe something to be right

• 3:47Fred Taylor?

  based on your morals and values and what you've been taught your entire life. And then the next minute, that does not exist. Because there are individuals in this world that...

• 4:02Fred Taylor?

  You know, what's opposite of woke is not real. You feel me? And it's confusing. But you have to still stay on that. If you believe in integrity, if you have certain values, you gotta stay on it. You gotta put your foot down on it. So, at the end of the day, I try not to let that consume me too much. So I'm grateful for moments like this, where I can get with you guys and we can kind of express how we feel about things that's going on outside of us. Mentally, personally, I'm fine. Like, I'm still building, I'm still growing. Different opportunities are coming into existence.

• 4:46Fred Taylor?

  It's football season, shit, how much, you know, down can you actually be? We back in our element, but I think about the people who haven't had the fortune to be in the position that I'm in, because I believe and I always say I'm gonna be okay. Right? And I try my best to hope and help other people be okay. But I just truthfully hope that they are really gonna be okay. You feel what I'm saying?

• 5:10Channing Crowder?

  No, no, no, man, I was gonna say that when I went to Farrell, Pennsylvania, which is a little steel mill town, the steel mill done died now. So, it used to be thousands of people, now it's a couple thousand people. And so I went up there, we had a memorial for my dad a couple weeks ago. And they were telling me all these football stories, all these athletic stories. Well, but, you know, my daddy was 6'4", 250 back in the day. That was a monster, right? But the stories that got to me, it was a little bitty white lady. And she said, "I moved into Farrell

• 5:52Channing Crowder?

  in 7th grade," so everybody already had their friend groups.

• 5:57Channing Crowder?

  And I, like, nobody knew me, so they, they kind of left me out of the friend groups. She said, my third day at lunch, she said, I hated lunch because that's when you see.

• 6:11Ryan Clark?

  The clique-ish.

• 6:11Channing Crowder?

  Who, this clique-ish who messes with you. She said, your, the third day, your dad told me, told me to sit with him. And once I sat with Big, with Randy, my daddy, she was like, from then on, my life was good. Cause I was cool, you know, I was cool with Randy. Those are the stories to your point about like humanity. That's what it is, man. Success and money and all that stuff that everybody chases. The humanity of it was something that I found out that was just, that is bigger than, yeah, your daddy could play quarterback. You know what I'm saying? And like, that's the thing. So, bruh, be a good person.

• 6:57Channing Crowder?

  Be a good human being.

• 6:58Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 7:00Channing Crowder?

  And that's what life is about.

• 7:02Ryan Clark?

  I think I'm sad, you know? Just in the past week or so, there've been more people speak out about how our society needs to come together, about how our country needs to come together, about how separate and divided we are. And I think for so long, so many marginalized communities and underspoken for communities, less represented communities have said this about where society is. And I just think it's now on the doorstep of different people. And I don't think this is a time for policy and agenda. I think this is a time for humanity.

• 7:45Ryan Clark?

  And we've heard so much about what God wants and Christianity from so many people. And I think what we miss is in John 3:16, it said, "For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son, so that whosoever believes will not perish but have eternal life." It's whosoever believes. Not if you're the right color, not if you're the right ethnicity, not if you're the right gender, gender, it's everybody. And I think as we move forward, there shouldn't be talks of division or talk of you being less than because you're this color, talk of you being less than

• 8:29Ryan Clark?

  because you're of this gender or you're of this ethnicity or you're of this mindset. It should be how can we all come together and move forward as one to where we can disagree on policy, but we don't have to disagree on a human being worth taking care of, loving, providing for, and being supported. I don't think I ever want to be a part of a world where a person's thoughts or words or ideologies gives another person the right to take their life.

• 9:12Ryan Clark?

  That's something that I'm not celebrating now, something I won't celebrate going forward. I don't want to continue to be a part of a society where kids have to be scared about going to school, where parents have to worry, will I see my kid at 3 o'clock? Will they ever come off of the bus? I don't want to continue to live in a society where black people are found hanging from trees on school campuses. And so for me, this is not a time for more divisive talk. This is not a time to make sure certain agendas are carried out. This is the time to try to come together. And whatever I can do to bridge that gap,

• 9:56Ryan Clark?

  whatever part we can be to do that, I think that's, you know, what we should do.

• 10:01Channing Crowder?

  Everybody's capable of everything. There are great black doctors. There are great white doctors. And they're both great. Everybody's great at what they do.

• 10:12Fred Taylor?

  Something just came to mind because what it is, is for me, is balance, right? And that brings to mind the conversation that you had with Peter on the show. Perspective, because that's what it boils down to, perspective. And I'll lay it up so you can kind of take us back to what you were thinking. But I think we're talking about balance.

• 10:33Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I think the first thing is, what I learned from that is, and not even what I learned from that, like I have to be accountable for me. I am all I can control. I can't control Peter Schreger's reaction to what I say. I can't control how people spin the narrative afterwards. All I can control is what I do. And the first thing is, I respect Peter Schreger. I respect the way that he's earned his right to speak on football. I respect the way that he's earned his right to be on Get Up and First Take and NFL Live and on the sidelines of ESPN games. And so I think that's first and foremost. Secondly, you know, I've done this job for 12 years. I've never had that interaction.

• 11:17Ryan Clark?

  I work with Stephen A. every day, and that's Stephen A.'s big thing. I never played the game. You guys did, so I lean to you for that. Obviously, I work with Mina. She's my favorite NFL analyst in the world. I think she's one of the best to ever do it. We don't necessarily have that interaction, and I fully support her and everything. During that show, Greeny and Peter sort of had this thing where they kept going back about him not playing. And he joked about it, and Greeny joked about it. And it was in a different context than obviously what I said. I don't know, and haven't worked with Peter long enough for him to know that I meant it about perspective. His thought was extremely valid about C.D. Lamb.

• 12:02Ryan Clark?

  The way he perceived it. And what I was trying to say is, that is a different perception from what a player sees. And maybe in the setup, I didn't do it the right way. I'm accountable for that. Maybe I could have said, hey, let me give you a player's perspective and not made it about Peter at all. And so then, obviously, the other piece of it was, all the people who wanted to jump in afterwards and pile on or say, it means this about me, or it means that about me, or whatever it is. I have no words for those people because I've moved to a place in my life where I truly do not care. It was about Peter and I having a conversation going forward. We had that conversation.

• 12:46Ryan Clark?

  He gave me his perspective on it. I gave him mine. And in that sense, I've grown from that interaction and now we move on. But yeah, I was in no way trying to say that his opinion wasn't valid. I was actually trying to validate the opinion while showing what the difference in perspective of how C.D. Lamb felt from the helmet. But I do realize I have to be accountable for how I approach it.

• 13:11Channing Crowder?

  Bro, there's a different look in the locker room when they start talking about like there's words that the media says and now we're in the media. Like the culture and the, the, um, the, the relationship and all that. And in locker room, it's like, the, the, it's like do your goddamn job too. You know what I'm saying? Like, and that's what we got taught our whole life. And I'll be honest, RC, I love you to death on TV. I like listening to Mina more than you talk about football. X and O football wise, Mina Combs is the best. I love, and I told her this and Mina, I look in her face.

• 13:51Channing Crowder?

  You know football and I know Mina hasn't taken a snap because I didn't see you on any practice squads or any rosters. And I know, I knew what you were saying. You were saying that there's a locker room thought and there's an analyst thought. And that's what people don't understand. Nick Saban could tell me what's about to happen on third down. Bro, Nick Saban's not about to go tackle this man in the flat. But he could tell me what their approach is. And that's when you said it, that's what I thought about like, okay, it's the locker room, the player thought and it's analyst thought. Bruh, Mina, Yates, Schefter, they know football, bro.

• 14:34Channing Crowder?

  And I would be comfortable listening to them talk about football. And I think that's what you're saying, but it's a different approach to locker room side and net side. You correct me if I'm wrong, when I watched it, was that what you were saying?

• 14:48Fred Taylor?

  No, it's a lot of value in journalists, but what people have to also understand is that this man studied journalism in school. He kind of prepped to be to where he is. That's why he was so fucking good at it. So the consumer of sports media, right? What do they want? What do they prefer? Do they want a journalist who has relationships? They got to fact check sources and depend on accuracy there? Or do they want real life experiences and storytelling, right? As a, as a consumer of sports media? What might I gravitate to the most? Is one of the questions we can ask ourselves, right? But I think in that particular day and moment, ESPN was at his best.

• 15:31Fred Taylor?

  I don't know how the setup came about, how people felt about that? Wondering if that's allowed in, you know, as, as teammates, right, of the show? But at that moment, you guys kind of pinpointed the two different perspectives. You got one directly from the journalist and what he was thinking. You got one from yourself as a former player and what the locker room is about. And that's why ESPN has been around for forever. Like, it ain't just basic. That was great media for me, right? If they had played it out and allow it to go forward, then people would have really understood what your thought was and where Peter, you know, where Peter was. So I didn't have a problem with it. I think we need more of it.

• 16:16Fred Taylor?

  You know, the journalist's point of view versus, or non-player journalist's point of view, which still doesn't invalidate their perspective or opinion because they study the game.

• 16:27Fred Taylor?

  Mina, you mentioned it, she studies the game. And as a former player, you've played it, you see it a lot quicker. You can see it a lot of times before it happens. And you study the game, right? Everybody's gonna get the same outline, the thoughts, and you gather your thoughts and you kind of build on that. So I mean, oh, man, Peter's been great. He's built his way up in the media world, man. And he's gonna only continue to grow. Same with you, RC. So, man, let's move on.

• 16:55Ryan Clark?

  I think what's cool about it is, it starts a good conversation, right? Of, in the media, when we look at analysts, people who played the game against people who didn't. I think you both have to put in the correct amount of work in order to be good at your job. Mina does that, Shefty does that, Phil does that, Peter does that, Stephen A. does that, right? You have to put in your work in order to be able to not only analyze the sport from an X's and O's standpoint, but also from the entire ecosystem that goes into the culture of playing sports, right? You have to be able to do that.

• 17:38Ryan Clark?

  And some of the best in our game have never stepped on a court, never stepped on a football field. I think the other piece of it was, a former player spoke about what I said and said that that comment came from insecurity, or people don't want to hear about our stories. That's exactly why we get the jobs we get. People want to hear about what it's like to be in a locker room in that moment. People want to hear about what it's like to lose the big game, or give up the big play, or make the big play, or win the game. That's what it's about. It doesn't make people who haven't played the game's insight less valuable.

• 18:23Ryan Clark?

  It just makes it different. And I think it's okay that sometimes the non-player points out the differences between us. Stephen A. recently says, "Okay, Cam and RC, that's the player perspective. Let me give you the media perspective." And as someone who works in media now, I didn't take offense to that and say, "Well, I'm media too." No, you've done this your entire life. You have an insight into media and journalism, even though I studied it in school, that I don't have. I want to listen to that and lock in. And so I do think it's about understanding who you're working with, how you're working with them,

• 19:04Ryan Clark?

  and how you can make them better in the way that you support them, set them up, interact with them, converse with them. And I think that's what should be taken away from that. We can make great TV together if we do it the right way. And I believe that's why ESPN is as good as it is now and why it continues to work. But like, it ain't a fight, you know? It's a collaboration.

• 19:28Channing Crowder?

  Conversation, a collaboration. Mina Kimes needs a GM job.

• 19:34Ryan Clark?

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• 20:37Channing Crowder?

  Speaking of collaborations, not fights. We had the fight of the year, right? Bud Canelo, Bud moves up, two weight classes, and wins. Is Bud the greatest?

• 20:54Fred Taylor?

  Man, I don't have enough world thought in the sports world of boxing to really make that statement. So it goes back to the non-player, player. If I were a boxer, I could probably make that statement and say, you know, how I feel about Bud. Bud is so tough, man. My credibility in boxing would be invalid. But I would say this, he fought his ass off. He fought a monster in Canelo who saw experience and, you know, both of them put their legacy on the line. Bud really showed people where his mindset was and where his heart was in that challenge, going up, you know, just leaving everything on the line.

• 21:35Fred Taylor?

  His entire legacy was at stake right there. And let's just say if he did lose, what would people say? What would the response be? You know, a challenge? He flipped boxing from like what, unlike what we're used to seeing, where guys have been known to not want to fight anybody? Bud say, nah, fuck that. Let's go do it. I'm gonna go do it. He put his trust in himself. He went up and he did it. And I wouldn't say he shocked the world because after we saw, you know, we studied Bud for the Earl fight in the interviews back then, I started to pay more attention to it. That's a bad man, bro. He's a bad boy.

• 22:19Channing Crowder?

  You said the greatest of what? The 30-year-olds?

• 22:25Channing Crowder?

  Bro, what you talking about? The greatest boxer of all time?

• 22:28Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 22:29Channing Crowder?

  Bro, I love Bud. We went to, well, we had, we had to go to Arizona or some fucking where. Colorado to see Bud. Bro, Bud is a bad human being. He is a serious human being. He can box his ass off. Did you just say he's better than Floyd and Ali and Tyson?

• 22:47Ryan Clark?

  I asked a question.

• 22:48Channing Crowder?

  Oh, okay. I just didn't know if you was leading into that. He's...

• 22:52Ryan Clark?

  No.

• 22:53Channing Crowder?

  Oh, then you gotta go back to Hearns and...

• 22:55Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 22:56Channing Crowder?

  Bud, it... Say top 10. Now it seems bad to say top 10. I think Bud is top 10. But I won't say Mike. Bud is the top 10 boxer. Bud, the best ever? No. No. Ali, Floyd, Tyson, them boys? I can't say Sugar Ray Leonard? I can't say Bud is better than them at their jobs. And I don't know, and Bud, please don't get mad at me because you're... You're dangerous. Bud, Bud, he's not... RC, nah, he's not, he's, he ain't... I don't think he's top 5 boxer. I think he's very good at his job.

• 23:34Ryan Clark?

  One, I was excited to see Bud perform the way he performed against Canelo. I think boxing needed that fight. I think Bud showed up in the way he was supposed to. I think Canelo did as well, and the respect between the two men is what boxing is supposed to be. I can't talk about all the eras of boxing because I haven't seen them all, you know? But I've seen Hagler, Hearns, I've seen Sugar Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler. Like, I've seen all those things, and those fights were wars. Floyd Mayweather is the best boxer I've ever seen. He's the most skilled boxer I've ever seen. Bud, and this is just my opinion,

• 24:20Ryan Clark?

  is the baddest man I've seen wear boxing gloves.

• 24:27Ryan Clark?

  And here is why I say that.

• 24:30Channing Crowder?

  RC.

• 24:31Ryan Clark?

  Here's why I say that. Bud is extremely skilled, right? Yet not as skilled as Floyd Mayweather. Floyd Mayweather made people look foolish, right? And so if I had to say who's the greatest I've seen, and Bud said it right, the best of an era and the best of an era, it's Floyd. But when I watched Bud against Canelo, there was this extreme skill on display, and there was a level of crazy that's different.

• 25:05Ryan Clark?

  There was a level of, and Floyd's extremely tough. Go back to Shane Mosley and the two punches he landed early in the fight and the way that he embarrassed him. I'm not saying that Floyd's not tough, Floyd's not a bad man. But there was domination inside that ring we saw this weekend. And there's no fear in him in the way that he's attacked gaining notoriety. Bud's been the baddest man for 12 years. But no one gave him credit because he didn't go tell you he was the baddest man. He didn't market that. He just went out and fought and beat people and knocked people out. So he had to move up and take the bigger fights and the better fights. And he was Errol Spence, we realized just how great he was.

• 25:49Ryan Clark?

  Canelo cemented him on what is the two-headed monster that marks the greatest of the 2000s. Floyd Mayweather is on that and Bud Crawford is right next to him. I don't think we had to pick on who's better. I think they both dominated their eras equally.

• 26:11Channing Crowder?

  I think Bud has the violence of Tyson with the skill of Floyd. But I don't think he jumps. He's one of those guys. Which is crazy to say, you know what I'm saying?

• 26:24Ryan Clark?

  Bud's, Bud's better than Mike Tyson, so.

• 26:26Channing Crowder?

  Bud's a better boxer?

• 26:29Ryan Clark?

  Bud Crawford, Bud Crawford had a better career than Mike Tyson. And for whatever reasons that they were, you know, out of the ring things, things he was dealing with in life. Mike Tyson's career is not Bud Crawford's career. Bud Crawford was as violent as a little man as Mike Tyson was as a big man. And then as Bud Crawford continued to age, he continued to get better. He continued to have a level of professionalism that matched the Floyd Mayweather in the way that they approached their work. Mike Tyson didn't, and that's all a part of resume and who you are as it accounts to greatness.

• 27:10Fred Taylor?

  What defines better? Is it skills, resume, dominance, or like the impact of the sport?

• 27:17Ryan Clark?

  What did Jim Gray say?

• 27:18Fred Taylor?

  Or credibility, because Canelo said Bud was, was better than Floyd.

• 27:26Fred Taylor?

  So if we're talking about player versus non-player in media, and now you have a boxer who's been in the ring with both, he has a chance to give you his point of view. Do we trust his credibility?

• 27:39Ryan Clark?

  I trust Canelo's credibility 100%. I think Canelo Alvarez's opinion is more valid than the three of ours or anybody else who's analyzing boxing that's never been inside the ring with both of those men. I think Canelo Alvarez felt like he was a better, more experienced, stronger Canelo Alvarez when he fought Bud Crawford than when he fought Floyd Mayweather. I also think that we're all human. And the level in which we respect and like somebody plays into how we see and speak of them.

• 28:21Fred Taylor?

  That's true.

• 28:22Ryan Clark?

  I don't think Canelo felt like he had the respect level and relationship, working business relationship with Floyd Mayweather that he has with Bud. And that's not to say that he didn't give his true opinion of what he felt about both men. But to be honest, he was made to look foolish in both fights. Both men thoroughly dominated Canelo Alvarez in different points of his career. But you can absolutely see that what Bud and Canelo shared from a respect level was different from what Floyd Mayweather and Canelo shared.

• 29:04Ryan Clark?

  Floyd Mayweather sold fights. Bud Crawford does not act.

• 29:11Fred Taylor?

  Boxers.

• 29:11Ryan Clark?

  Bud Crawford has no drama to him. Errol Spence and Bud Crawford, when they weighed in, they were talking to each other. They were thanking each other for the opportunity to make that money, to make that fight. Same thing with Canelo. It wasn't about the money, but it was the respect of what you've accomplished and what I've accomplished. Floyd Mayweather was the greatest. He was going to tell you he was the greatest, and he was going to sell a fight and call you a C fighter and a B fighter, whatever it was, until the end of the fight. And I think it made it hard for people to love and like him like that.

• 29:40Fred Taylor?

  And Canelo said that after he got that lift from Bud. His face was stretched out like a mangrove snapper.

• 29:48Ryan Clark?

  He looked at him like this, huh?

• 29:51Channing Crowder?

  He went to pick it out that side of that right eye and said, "Ooh."

• 29:54Fred Taylor?

  That's a meme forever, but RC, you said something that kind of jumped out again, man. You said Floyd sold fights. Jim Gray, he made a comment saying Floyd ruined the sport of boxing because of the zeros. And that, that has something to do with Floyd selling fights and the way Floyd got paid. And now all the other boxers are trying to be like Floyd, which has, I guess, according to Jim Gray, watered down the sport of boxing. I personally think that the promoters, the networks, they should be to blame. They should be to blame before any blame is placed on Floyd.

• 30:34Fred Taylor?

  Floyd was so great in the 50 and O, the boxers are chasing that and they're trying to chase the bag. But you gotta understand Floyd was, Floyd didn't allow the promoters and the networks to pimp him. You feel me? Floyd took advantage of the vultures. He understood the game. He understood the assignment. And now everybody else trying to do what he's did, they can't copy that blueprint. They can't copy it anymore because it's only one Floyd, in my opinion.

• 31:04Ryan Clark?

  Well, I think though like Floyd Mayweather was about his priorities. Floyd's priorities were money. I'm gonna make the most money I possibly can. He did that. And it was, I want to be the greatest boxer ever. And to him, that had to do with having a zero in the lost column. I don't think it necessarily ruined boxing, but it did make the way we saw greatness in his time and his era different, which is what makes Bud Crawford special. Cause Bud Crawford in moving up and taking the best fights and fighting the best fighters he could possibly get to agree to fight him, he's put that zero on the line.

• 31:45Ryan Clark?

  When you move up two divisions or three divisions actually based on where he fought mostly, you're saying, "I don't want you to come down because I don't want you compromised. I don't need a rehydration clause. I want to fight you at your very best."

• 31:59Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 32:00Ryan Clark?

  And fighting you at your very best, I'm gonna take what you got. Floyd set the blueprint and now Bud Crawford, to me, has upped it. And so now what's the next dude gonna do and what's your excuse gonna be?

• 32:13Channing Crowder?

  Let me speak on this real fast. 72 Dolphins.

• 32:17Channing Crowder?

  Undefeated. Steph and Klay and them, best record in NBA history. You know what I'm saying? Never losing means something. Not losing means something. The best record ever means something, and that's what Floyd was chasing. Was Floyd running from fights? Can, if you, if you show me fights Floyd was running from, then I'll say, okay, you're right. But chasing greatness, chasing to be the best in history of a sport, I don't wanna, I can't badmouth nobody about that.

• 32:48Ryan Clark?

  Well, can I ask y'all about this though?

• 32:52Ryan Clark?

  Didn't it feel like Bud was much more receptive to Angel Reese in his locker room than he was to us? You remember when we went to, when we went to Bud locker room? Chan, you was ready to run out. When I walked in, I spoke to him and I was like, man, it is really silent in here and, and he don't look like he wanna say hello to us, like talking about it. Angel Reese walked in, he took a picture. A picture, and then he put on a song. He had to put a new song on his. I thought, hey Chan.

• 33:25Channing Crowder?

  He had a Reese playlist?

• 33:27Ryan Clark?

  I thought to myself, Bud ain't focused like he was focused for Errol Spence? Or, or wasn't that like, I can't wear that outfit?

• 33:34Channing Crowder?

  Still went out and wore Canelo.

• 33:37Fred Taylor?

  You needed the outfit. But now, I mean, but this is a guy who, you know, the Spence fight, he didn't, he wasn't sure where he was at, right? That was a big fight at that time for him. This fight, he say soon as he signed the contract, he knew he was winning. He went and bought a roly and put 42 and O on the back.

• 33:54Ryan Clark?

  He got a hundred M's. He got a hundred M's for that fight.

• 33:57Fred Taylor?

  He wasn't, he was focused on the fight, he wasn't focused on the fight. He was focused on that all black. Bud ain't crazy, boy.

• 34:03Ryan Clark?

  Angel Reese had on, the bodysuit. I should've wore a bodysuit.

• 34:08Channing Crowder?

  You should've.

• 34:09Ryan Clark?

  If I'd've wore a bodysuit.

• 34:11Fred Taylor?

  You still got the knees. Your knees still ragged.

• 34:13Ryan Clark?

  If I'd've walked in with them knock knees with that bodysuit on.

• 34:16Fred Taylor?

  Nah.

• 34:16Ryan Clark?

  With, with the V-neck?

• 34:18Fred Taylor?

  Nah. Hey, speaking of Baltimore, isn't that where Angel's from? BMOs? Shador had an opportunity to be drafted by the Ravens, but allegedly he turned it down. What y'all think about that?

• 34:29Channing Crowder?

  Why would you wanna go back of a Hall of Famer?

• 34:33Channing Crowder?

  Like Lamar Jackson is about to be Hall of Fame. He's an MVP, he's gonna be multi MVP. He's a young guy. He's, he, I don't say he changed the game because Vic did it back in the day. Even, we can go back to Randall Cunningham, just athletic gunslingers. But he had no chance to ever start in Baltimore. And I've heard the pushback and all. He can beat out Dylan Gabriel. RC has, has solidified that, that, that name in my mind. He can beat out Joe Flacco. I, Joe, I love you. He's not gonna beat out Lamar Jackson. Why do you wanna, why would you wanna go there to sit behind Lamar Jackson for four years? And go and now sign a contract with somebody else? He has a better chance of playing with Cleveland.

• 35:18Channing Crowder?

  I think it was a good idea. I think Prime knows that. I think his agent knows that. There is no reason for a guy with Shador Sanders' ability to go sit behind Lamar Jackson for four years. You'll never beat him out because he's a Hall of Famer.

• 35:32Ryan Clark?

  No, I agree. I think people have looked at the Shador thing and say, hey, why wouldn't you want to go learn under Lamar Jackson? And that makes total sense if you want to be a career backup. Lamar Jackson, and I, I think we have to put this in perspective. There's never been a more explosive, dynamic, talented runner at the quarterback position than Lamar Jackson. There's also not been a more statistically efficient passer of the football outside of Aaron Rodgers than Lamar Jackson.

• 36:17Ryan Clark?

  And I, I feel like sometimes you're so good at one thing, people don't give you credit for the other thing.

• 36:27Ryan Clark?

  He just needs the Super Bowl because Lamar Jackson is historically great at football. Not like, just a little bit. Lamar Jackson, how I talked about it, Lamar Jackson is truly a generational talent at the quarterback position. He just needs that one trophy so it can be solidified. If I'm Shador Sanders, one, other than how hard he works, his dedication to the game, the way that he prepares, I can't really learn from Lamar Jackson and watching him

• 37:10Ryan Clark?

  play because I can't do none of what he does. That does not help me grow and guess what? He's gonna do it for the next decade at a high level because he gonna run 4.4 when he 35 anyway. So I'm never gonna play, so why would I want to go there? That doesn't make sense to me. And I know people want to shape it like Shador doesn't want to compete and it makes him a bad guy. No, it makes him smart. It makes his people smart. It makes his father smart. Because the dude playing in Baltimore is like truly that dude. So I believe Shador made the right decision because there's a possibility you get on the field in Cleveland. There's not a possibility that that happens as long as Lamar Jackson is walking upright.

• 37:53Fred Taylor?

  First of all, I don't understand why the Ravens would even want to draft Shador right there at that point in time. We talk about fit, scheme, systems. Shador is not anywhere close to Lamar Jackson in terms of athleticism. Now you're gonna have to have Todd Monkin who gets paid a ton of money to be creative and dial up stuff for Lamar that'll help, you know, make Lamar Jackson the MVP. We gotta change schemes and I gotta go drop back, drop back, drop back for Shador? Again, I don't understand the whole fact that they wanted to draft him there. Shador has nothing to do with competition,

• 38:37Fred Taylor?

  or running away from competition. He wants to go to a place where he can go and compete to be a day one starter. That was the opportunity he was looking for. If I go past Baltimore, if he would have gone past Cleveland, now he has an opportunity to go and make up his own mind and make his own decision in free agency, possibly after two more rounds, to go and do whatever he wanted to do. The media makes a big noise about it, keeping it real. I think Shador is smart, their camp is smart, he made the right decision. Landon in Cleveland, a place that has struggled over the last couple of years with quarterback play, and you just put yourself in position to go and start.

• 39:19Fred Taylor?

  As RC said, that ain't happening in Baltimore unless a big time injury, which we don't want to happen to LJ, happens, so.

• 39:28Channing Crowder?

  Bruh, it's going to back up you when you got in the league. Go be 230 and run a 428, you can't do it. No one could be Fred Taylor when you got in the league. No one could be Lamar Jackson. I wouldn't want to back your ass up.

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• 40:02Channing Crowder?

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• 40:15Fred Taylor?

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• 40:47Ryan Clark?

  You know, this is crazy. So Jim Irsay's daughter now wears headsets. We talked about this last week, right? Not a, not a big deal. She wants to be able to hear, listen. Tom Brady wears a headset in Las Vegas. Watching the Monday night football game, Chip Kelly sitting on the front row calling plays, and Tom Brady has a headphone, has a headset on. One, Tom Brady over his shoulder is crazy.

• 41:22Fred Taylor?

  That's nuts.

• 41:22Ryan Clark?

  Two, Tom Brady gets to call other games and have insight into other organizations because he's on TV. And now you're also in a headset, now you're in that building. Initially, there were all these rules that said like Tom couldn't do certain things, but how you feel about that, Freddie T? That's your guy.

• 41:47Fred Taylor?

  You know what, man? It, it, it looks like they're moving the goalposts. I don't know if you're, you should be able to do all of that stuff. But, you know, he's Tom Brady, man. Um, it's tough. But it looked crazy, you know, and they even talked about it on the broadcast. And studies say, yeah, when Tom's around Chip, you know, he, they have great conversations about scheme and this and that and all those different things. It would be crazy if Tom can actually send messages down to Chip Kelly throughout the course of the game. That would be crazy.

• 42:25Ryan Clark?

  He ain't gotta send them down, Fred. He's this close to him.

• 42:28Fred Taylor?

  You know what? I, you know what? I did see that. I wasn't sure. My bad. Run that back because I thought Chip was on the field, but I did see him in the box.

• 42:36Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 42:38Channing Crowder?

  We talking about the Raiders team that couldn't score a touchdown?

• 42:42Fred Taylor?

  Maybe he have.

• 42:43Channing Crowder?

  Are we talking about the Raiders team that couldn't score a touchdown against the Chargers?

• 42:48Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 42:49Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 42:50Channing Crowder?

  That, that's working? Nine points?

• 42:54Fred Taylor?

  The thing is, we don't.

• 42:55Channing Crowder?

  He hitting them in the head. We could all get together. Let's hug with no shirts on. Nine points in a game is not working. I do think it's a competitive advantage. I don't have a problem with Tom sitting there in the, in the booth. I do have, I do have a problem with Tom being able.

• 43:17Channing Crowder?

  Constructurally to ask other teams' players about certain situations. That's the thing. Hey, man, they got, you know, they got, they got Keenan Allen over here. How do y'all believe that y'all gonna cover Keenan Allen? I have a problem with that.

• 43:35Channing Crowder?

  But the team that scored nine points, it doesn't seem like it's working that well because they can't put the ball in the end zone. Gino's overthrowing people. Love you to death, Gino. And I said it 100 times a day, I think I'm just hurting people's feelings. It's not working.

• 43:52Ryan Clark?

  So I'm gonna say this. Tom can't have every damn thing.

• 43:57Channing Crowder?

  Yes, he can. He's Tom Brady.

• 43:58Ryan Clark?

  I think Tom Brady has to make a choice. He's gonna have to make a choice of whether or not he's going to own a team or he's gonna be on the A-team of a network that calls games. When Tom Brady is sitting behind Chip Kelly, there's no way you can't tell me when he has those headphones on, he's not listening, taking notes, and saying to himself during the week, "I'm gonna talk about this." What happens when Tom Brady calls a game and the Raiders are playing this team and he's in the building throughout the week and he hears Chip Kelly say something? He says, "Well, I talked to player X and this is the way he said that they're approaching it."

• 44:43Ryan Clark?

  Or, "I talked to this coach and this is the way that this coach is approaching it." This is not Carly Ursay Gordon standing on the sideline so she can have a better understanding. This is the greatest quarterback of all time that regardless of how hard he worked, TB12, eating avocado ice cream, he beat you because of this. There's no man in the world, probably outside of Peyton Manning, that could process football the way that this man could process football. That could take a little bit of a snippet from what I heard from this player, from what I heard of this coach, and build an entire game plan around it. And you gonna let that dude have on headphones? You gonna let that dude be a part of an organization

• 45:27Ryan Clark?

  and then throughout the weeks go study other teams based on what other teams tell him? You can't have it. There is... Even if there isn't a competitive of advantage to it, it's something that this team now has that nobody doesn't. It's already smart to have Tom Brady in the building. But to have Tom Brady in your building, when he has access to what's going on in other buildings, is a level of unfair that if we're trying to protect the shield, it has to be looked at because that dude with more information is scary.

• 46:12Ryan Clark?

  Hey, there's a reason that Spygate worked.

• 46:16Channing Crowder?

  He made Spygate work. They scored nine points last week, fellas. What are you talking about?

• 46:23Ryan Clark?

  He ain't covering the charges this year. He wasn't in Brazil.

• 46:27Channing Crowder?

  Let's go trip Bunsen throw at the bowers. I watched the game, Bowden. What's the white boy saying?

• 46:32Ryan Clark?

  He gonna fix that.

• 46:33Channing Crowder?

  Oh, he better fix it quick.

• 46:35Ryan Clark?

  I'm questioning, Tom Brady's the GOAT, right? Greatest of all time. I don't have a, there's no argument about that. There's one player in football right now, who in my opinion, has an opportunity to surpass him. And that's Patrick Mahomes. I recently talked to Rich Kleiner and he asked me a question. He said, is Patrick Mahomes still the best quarterback in football?

• 47:06Fred Taylor?

  Patrick's still very elite. I think you have a few guys that are narrowing the gap in that conversation. We were just talking about Lamar Jackson. And the other guy is Josh Allen. You know, the guy who's still chasing after Patrick, trying to beat him to get to the Super Bowl. Patrick's been the one that's denied him a few times. Until then, I'm gonna still continue to give it to Patrick. Because those guys who I named haven't beat him yet. Until they beat him, he's still the best quarterback in football.

• 47:42Channing Crowder?

  Patrick Mahomes has the most talented arm.

• 47:47Channing Crowder?

  In football and one of the top arms I've ever, so we can go back to Joe Montana and all those guys. He can, he can spin that thing. Is that's, that's the phrase I always use. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, right there with them, but they're, the way they play the game. Doesn't have the longevity of Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes will be great longer than Josh Allen and Lamar, because sooner or later, them 30-year-old legs, them 32-year-old legs are gonna run out and they're gonna have to throw it. And Pat's gonna be able to throw it better, but as we sit here today. Josh Allen is the best quarterback in the world. Wow. Who won MVP last year? Who should have won MVP? Who won MVP last?

• 48:31Ryan Clark?

  He wasn't, he wasn't first team all-pro either.

• 48:34Channing Crowder?

  Josh Allen, as we sit here today, is the best quarterback that plays football. That's your opinion? Foot with the feats and the shoulders. Josh Allen.

• 48:47Ryan Clark?

  So.

• 48:48Channing Crowder?

  Big man.

• 48:49Ryan Clark?

  I'm gonna say this. Patrick Mahomes is still the best quarterback in football.

• 48:57Ryan Clark?

  I think you drop Patrick Mahomes in any situation. And that team immediately becomes better. Here's the problem we face now with Patrick Mahomes. We have fatigue. He's been great for so long. And he was great the first time we saw him for real. The first time he replaced Alex Smith in the last game of the season, he threw for 300 yards. His first season as a starting quarterback, he threw for 50 touchdowns. He was the MVP and he lost to the greatest of all time in the AFC Championship.

• 49:40Ryan Clark?

  The first time we saw Lamar, he was great when he replaced Joe Flacco. He won the MVP the next year. Lamar had that sort of trajectory based on what he was doing. But he didn't win immediately in the big games. He didn't, he didn't show up in the big moments. That's what Patrick did. That's what put Patrick on the great trajectory. Not to mention, outside of Aaron Rodgers.

• 50:08Ryan Clark?

  He's the best thrower of the football in the modern era of football. Now, here's what we've seen. When Patrick Mahomes became Patrick Mahomes right away and very early, everybody else was having to do this, right? When you're already this tall, the ceiling is much closer to you with the ceilings here than it is to the people that are this tall. Josh Allen has closed that gap. Lamar Jackson, the gap was shorter. He has closed that gap. But they still gotta go beat him. We've seen both Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson have, in our opinions, better teams than Patrick Mahomes. And in those situations, Patrick Mahomes has found a way to win.

• 50:52Ryan Clark?

  It's easy to pile on to him when they're 0-2. But you turn on the film, it ain't because of 15. And yes, he's missed some throws. Patrick Mahomes, to me, is still the best quarterback in football. And then it's Lamar Jackson, and then it's Josh Allen. And I think it's a precipitous fall off from there. There's a gap between everybody else. But I ain't putting nobody over Pat right now. And I think when we putting these lists together, we gotta put respect on who he still is and what he's already done.

• 51:21Fred Taylor?

  Shout out Jalen Hurts, you in there too, my boy.

• 51:24Ryan Clark?

  Man, it's been cool chopping up with you boys. If there's anything else that's sort of on your mind that you want to share, you know, this is a cool time to share it as we, as we head out. I thought it was good, you know, you spoke about your father, Fred. You spoke about your growth. I think those are things people can take things from.

• 51:44Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I, I think what jumps out to me is real quick, just Channing's loyalty. I thought you were a friend, because I thought you were a Gator forever. But you disappointed me. I just wanted to tell you that to your face. I just wanted to tell you that to your face.

• 51:59Ryan Clark?

  Was I right?

• 52:01Fred Taylor?

  Doesn't matter. You were unloyal.

• 52:02Ryan Clark?

  Fred, was I right? Did the Gators get their ass?

• 52:06Fred Taylor?

  It doesn't make you right.

• 52:07Ryan Clark?

  It does.

• 52:08Fred Taylor?

  You were unloyal.

• 52:09Ryan Clark?

  Fred, I said LSU was gonna win and they won. Well, Chan, it's cool that you're on the winning side, though. Uh, I got that sweatshirt for Freddie T. I got a hat for Freddie T. Uh, by the way, just want to give it to you right here. Hey Fighting Tigers, fight all the way. Play Fighting Tigers, win the game today. You've got the know-how, you're doing fine. Hang on to the ball as you hit the wall and smash right through the line. You got to go for the th- Run up the score, make Mike the Tiger stand right up and roar. Roar, give all your might as you fight tonight and keep the goal in view. Victory for LSU. T I G E R S Tigers.

• 52:53Ryan Clark?

  And I want to say thank you to all the people in the purple and gold and DJ Lagway. All right. That's a fuck ass song. Where's Alicia when you leave? You ain't gotta say it. Where's Alicia? All of that.

• 53:08Ryan Clark?

  I wanna, I wanna say this. I wanna say, I was talking recently, like you don't really know what people are going through.

• 53:15Ryan Clark?

  Kindness is

• 53:18Ryan Clark?

  an important commodity in life. And Tuesday, we had Steve Harvey on the show and I was actually having this conversation with somebody else. I don't know if we've ever been treated that way. Right? I think the, the first thing to me was the fact that his right-hand woman, Ms. Megan, who didn't like that I called her Ms. Megan, had been working with him for 30 years. That sort of loyalty, as you become something you probably never dreamed of, is important. From the time that we got there, everyone who worked broke their necks to make us feel comfortable. Whether it was breakfast, friggin' drinks, the way he treated us, Freddie T.

• 54:02Ryan Clark?

  Once the show was over, we canceled flights because of his hospitality. We were supposed to leave early and he was like, nah, I want you guys to eat. I want to share these gems with you. He hit us to so much business. And it was one of those moments where you learn, no matter how big you get, no matter how successful you are, how much money you make, to treat people with kindness is of more value than all of that. Of everything I've watched him do, I have No more respect for anything than who he was as a human. It was a great show. It did amazing things for us, but the way he treated us like definitely changes.

• 54:44Ryan Clark?

  Not that I saw him in any negative way or any negative light, but it definitely sort of amplified what I thought of Steve Harvey. It's been a cool week, fellas. This was a great conversation. Pivot fam, thank y'all for pivoting with us. See y'all on Tuesday.

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