Ken Shamrock - The Worlds Most Dangerous Man

Ken Shamrock, known as the “World’s Most Dangerous Man” joins me for a hard-hitting interview this week on #MaxOut with Ed Mylett! Shamrock is a worldwide recognized MMA fighter and an inductee into the UFC Hall of Fame. He’s a four time UFC Heavy Champion, WWF Tag Team Champion, and the founder of the Lion’s Den, a renowned fighting school where some of the world’s best fighters have trained. Get ready to hear the story behind this champion’s journey from father-less in a poor neighborhood in Georgia, to victorious many times over on the top fighting stages in the world! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Ed Mylett?

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• 1:38Ed Mylett?

  Welcome back to Max Out with Ed Mylett. I'm fired up about today's program, everybody. I have an all-time great with me here today. And he's been on my list that I wanted to have on the program. And just the universe put us together today. The Lord is good with us, man. So you can tell who I'm sitting next to. He really doesn't need any introduction. This is the most dangerous man in the world. Four-time heavyweight champion. The first person ever inducted into the UFC Hall of Fame. One of the greatest fighters, one of the greatest athletes, and now becoming one of the great businessmen of all time right here. I have Ken Shamrock with me. Thanks, brother, for being here.

• 2:09Speaker 03

  Well, I appreciate it. Thank you. And whenever anybody says a list, I'm like, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

• 2:15Ed Mylett?

  It's a good list. That's your good list. We're gonna stick with the good list.

• 2:17Speaker 03

  You're on the list.

• 2:19Ed Mylett?

  It's a good list. We got the good one going today. So I'm fired up to be here with you, man. And I've been an admirer of yours for a long time. So thanks for being here.

• 2:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I appreciate it, man. Thank you.

• 2:28Ed Mylett?

  Could be a good conversation. So you're diving into the business world. You've obviously dominated sports. But I want to go back because we were talking prior. Sort of our upbringings in our lives are a little bit similar in some regards. So everybody sees the success that you've had. And you've dominated in sports. Now you're going to do that in business, too. You've been doing that in business. But you didn't start out in like a perfect universe, a perfect world. Your upbringing was not like bubble gums and rainbows necessarily, right? And I want people to hear this because a lot of people who listen to my program don't come from perfect families, don't come from what they think is like the ideal environment in their life, too. And yours wasn't ideal, right?

• 3:06Speaker 03

  Well, it's, you know, we see this all the time. And so, I mean, you have too. I mean, because this is the people that you work with.

• 3:13Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 3:13Speaker 03

  I mean, there's that small percentage where, you know, you get a guy who reaches the level in sports or in business, and they had a good upbringing and a family and went to college, to Yale, and, you know, and they just kept going up.

• 3:25Ed Mylett?

  Right.

• 3:25Speaker 03

  But most of the time, man, majority of the time, when you see something like that, a success, somebody who's made it to the top.

• 3:34Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 3:34Speaker 03

  When you see something like that, most of the time, you're going to see somewhere in their life or in their path where there's been some severe adversity.

• 3:43Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  And so I believe that, to me, that's almost like a training course. If you make it through that adversity in your life, depending on how severe it is, if you make it through that, then there's nothing you can't accomplish in life from that point. Because you have just gone through something in most people's life that would not be able to get up from that. And speaking a little bit about my upbringing, that's kind of where I was, except mine lasted a little bit longer from the time I was born.

• 4:13Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 4:14Speaker 03

  Till I was, you know... Really thirteen, fourteen years old and I, of course, then even though I was doing better.

• 4:21Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 4:21Speaker 03

  I was in a group home. Uh, the group home actually turned my life around. I really started going in that right direction and then of course got adopted at the age of eighteen years old by Bob Shamrock, but.

• 4:33Ed Mylett?

  So you didn't grow up, uh, let's go back there for you know that I, you, we've talked, you know that I worked in a group home as well. So I have a more familiarity than some people do with that. But you end up leaving, your, your mom had you, but you ended up in a group home at one point, right?

• 4:45Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 4:45Ed Mylett?

  And so does this man, Mr. Shamrock, did he own or run that group home at that time? And how old were you when you went into it?

• 4:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, and um, I was ten years old, went into juvenile hall, got stabbed. Uh, drug and robbery.

• 4:56Ed Mylett?

  You got stabbed when you were ten years old, right? In a robbery. Like that's, that's not everyone's normal story.

• 5:02Speaker 03

  But I think anybody that comes from the ghetto or comes from that kind of world where that area they live in is really, maybe even drug infested, prostitution, abuse, all that stuff. And it's usually in these, these different areas uh, where there's low in poverty.

• 5:17Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 5:17Speaker 03

  And, and, and that's where I was at. It was in, you know, in Georgia where I was actually uh, brought up at and it, the environment for people who are in middle class or upper class can't understand what children are capable of doing.

• 5:32Ed Mylett?

  To each other.

• 5:33Speaker 03

  To each other, or even what they're capable of doing for themselves. Because in the, in that world, to have a five year old kid going to kindergarten, walking by himself, getting into fights and, and, and stealing even at five years old.

• 5:48Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 5:49Speaker 03

  Um, it's almost impossible for people to understand that a five year old kid could be left home alone.

• 5:54Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 5:55Speaker 03

  Or to walk to school alone. But I, I promise you this, and anybody that has come from these areas will, will truly understand what I'm saying, that either as a kid, you have the ability to survive or die. And there are kids like myself who choose to not let anybody take over their lives. Even at a young age, I had the, the will to win.

• 6:20Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 6:20Speaker 03

  Uh, whether it was uh, you know, in a fight or in, in, in a conversation with another kid, you know, I was the dominant one.

• 6:28Ed Mylett?

  Were you born like that or you developed because of that environment, you think?

• 6:30Speaker 03

  I think it was the environment.

• 6:32Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 6:32Speaker 03

  Um, I mean, I don't know, maybe I had something there, but, but I do believe because the environment, you, there was, there was either live or, or not live.

• 6:41Ed Mylett?

  Do you remember going to the group home? Do you remember the first day?

• 6:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, like I said, at five years old, you know, boom, I did that in Georgia. My mom married somebody, my biological mother, married somebody, moved to Napa, California.

• 6:51Ed Mylett?

  Oh, man, you moved from Georgia to Napa.

• 6:53Speaker 03

  And listen, when I talked about from the ghetto.

• 6:56Ed Mylett?

  Oh, my god.

• 6:57Speaker 03

  To middle class.

• 6:58Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, that's totally, did you have an accent from Georgia?

• 7:01Speaker 03

  Brother, I went the first day to school, right? I walk in the first day of school, it was Pueblo Vista.

• 7:07Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 7:08Speaker 03

  Napa, California, I'm going to school. I'm 10 years old. I go into school, I walk differently, I talk differently, and I definitely acted differently. First day of school, you know how kids are, they usually pretty brutal. Well, I don't know anybody, so I'm kind of leaning up against the wall, I have this attitude. Well, these, these one kid, I remember his name, his name is Bruce.

• 7:29Ed Mylett?

  You remember his name?

• 7:30Speaker 03

  I do, I know his last name, but I'm not gonna call him out. And so there was about four guys standing around, I mean, he was kind of the tough kid in, in that school, in kindergarten. Or not kindergarten, 10th grade. So as I'm standing there, I'm leaning against the wall, I see all these guys circle up, and they're starting to kind of start pointing at me, and Bruce was starting to point at me and start talking. All of a sudden, now, my, my antennas go up because where I grew up at, I see it happening.

• 7:55Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 7:55Speaker 03

  So all of a sudden, I, I'm, I'm looking down, I'm not making eye contact, they start walking towards me. And I'm looking, and there's four of them, and as they're walking up, I, first thing I go is, okay, and I'm 10 years old, I go, I'm taking that one out, taking that one out, and then that one. Cause like four of them, and I'm already planning to knock these dudes out.

• 8:14Ed Mylett?

  And they've never experienced a cat like you.

• 8:16Speaker 03

  Dude, it's like, you, 10 years, most parents are going, 10 years old, it's like, I was already planning for it.

• 8:22Ed Mylett?

  You're already high miles.

• 8:24Speaker 03

  I'm back against the wall, so they walk up, and I remember the first thing that somebody said, which didn't happen where I came from, they started talking. And they started going, man, where you, where you think you are, you know, where you think you're tough, and all these other things they're saying. And I'm thinking in my head, it's like, are they gonna, are they fighting me? They want to fight you? Cause like where I came from, you didn't even know it was coming.

• 8:41Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, right, right.

• 8:42Speaker 03

  And so I'm, I'm trying to figure out, are they calling me out? Are you guys, you guys, I didn't say it, but in my mind, you guys want to fight?

• 8:47Ed Mylett?

  Are we gonna fight or not?

• 8:48Speaker 03

  Are we becoming friends here or what? And then I heard the thing come out of his mouth, and he goes, I'll tell you what, behind the gym, at 3 o'clock, we're gonna fight. And I was like, cause I was confused, and the minute he said fight, I went.

• 9:04Ed Mylett?

  He laid him out right there.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  Right, laid him out right there because I was like, fight, right? Like, yeah, cool. Now I know what we're doing. And so then I turned to look at the other ones and they ran.

• 9:12Ed Mylett?

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 9:13Speaker 03

  Then I was like, okay, I know this is not the neighborhood I grew up in.

• 9:17Speaker 03

  So I look at him, he's on the ground, and I thought to myself, as he was, as he was talking, I remember thinking, I was sitting in the principal's office and I'm thinking, did he just invite me to a fight? He said 3 o'clock behind, he said, what, I'm gonna ring the dinner bell? Like, hey, better yet, why don't I let you get more of your friends? So I walk back behind the gym at 3 o'clock, I can get jumped by 10 guys.

• 9:39Ed Mylett?

  That's incredible, dude. That's incredible. So, what a huge mistake to call you out by Bruce, by the way. We won't say his last name.

• 9:47Speaker 03

  He, he, like I said, I was 10 years old, nobody knew who I was, I came from nowhere.

• 9:50Ed Mylett?

  That's crazy, though. You go from like, the hood of Georgia to Napa. I mean, what a gigantic change. That had to be unreal. So you have this group home, Mr. Shamrock owned it or run it? Like, what's the, is that, is that the story, or?

• 10:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I went, like I said, I got stabbed, strong arm robbery, I got put into juvenile hall at 10 years old. I went to probably seven different placements and I failed them all, fighting, you know, run away, living in cars and... So I was 13 years old by the time that I got interviewed by Bob Shamrock.

• 10:19Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 10:20Speaker 03

  Who owned the Shamrock Boys home.

• 10:21Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 10:22Speaker 03

  And I remembered when he interviewed me, you know, it was like, you know, whatever, but my probation officer came up to me and he said,

• 10:31Speaker 03

  if you don't pass this home, he says, you're gonna go to California Youth Authority. Which, and that's a kid's prison, right? And so I remember, and this is where sometimes where, where you look back on a hindsight, you think about how these probation officers were ignorant. Because what they were doing is basically telling me that, hey, if you don't pass this, I'm gonna go put you in this California Youth Authority, we're gonna give you three square meals and a cot. And all my friends were already there, so I'd be hanging out with my buddies, so it wasn't really even a threat, right? So I'm thinking, you're threatening me?

• 10:58Ed Mylett?

  Right.

• 10:59Speaker 03

  Because I was not much of a threat.

• 11:00Ed Mylett?

  Wow.

• 11:00Speaker 03

  But, but going to that home...

• 11:05Speaker 03

  My intentions was not to go there and stay there. My intentions was I was gonna go there, whatever. So we drive up there with two other kids and we get to this home. And we walk in this door, first we drive up to him, it was this beautiful home and I was like, we're not in the right place. So we walk in the door and it's got open beam ceilings and it's got this pool table, it's got video games. Big fireplace, eighteen feet, open beam ceilings and it was a million dollar home. I was like, why are you staying here? Right? I mean, most people going, what are you talking about? Yeah, yeah. Well, you talk about a kid that comes from the ghetto. Comes from, you know, surviving on his own. When you walk into a place like that, something's wrong. Really? Right. You don't feel comfortable there. This is not your environment.

• 11:51Speaker 03

  So when I walked in and I'm like, dude, this is weird. Wow. So Bob Shamrock comes and introduces himself to us, which was also weird. And he took the probation officer, which all the other homes that I went to, we were dropped off with some kid that was a leader in the house. They took us away and they sat down with the, the house owner or whoever it was. They talked to probation officer. Okay. Well, Bob Shamrock did something different. He brought us in, sat us down at this bar, which had ice cream, coke and peanuts. It was like a, a, a, an area for kids, right? Where you could sit at the bar, drink sodas and different things like that. So it was really, really way out, right? And we're just kind of figuring out like, why, what did I do to get here? Yeah, right. So he sits us down and he tells the probation officer, um, if you want to come in here and they had a cook.

• 12:36Speaker 03

  Um, her name was Elizabeth. You could sit down, Elizabeth will get you some coffee and some cookies, you know, and, and I'll be with you in a minute. So he comes over and sits next to us and he gets the files. And I remember he raised the files up and he said, "This is what you have done. This is in your past." Boom, puts it down. Oh, boy. And he says, "You got a new start." Wow. He said, "You have a chance to, to start all over if you choose to." "That isn't important anymore." But he says, "I want to make something really clear." He said, "Ken, you have a violent problem. You get into fights, you're, you know, that's, that's your record." You know, the other two had drug problems. Okay. So Ken, if you go into town...

• 13:23Speaker 03

  On the weekend and you go out and you drink a beer, you know, maybe smoke a joint, something like that. Um, yeah, you're gonna get in trouble. But not as severe as you two. Because if you two go out and do that, that's your problem. That is your devil. And I'm gonna make you dig a pool out during the winter time and you're gonna work your tail off. Now Ken, if you go into town and get into a fight. You're gonna be digging that pool during the winter time. So right then and there, it was already different because when we went to the other homes, they put us into these homes.

• 13:56Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 13:56Speaker 03

  And we were numbers.

• 13:57Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 13:57Speaker 03

  You were like number four, or number five, or you were in room such and such, or room this, red, blue, whatever. But no one really had a name, no one really had a file. No one took anybody in their own perspective, who they were as a person and what their issues were.

• 14:10Ed Mylett?

  That's crazy. That's so powerful though, man, cause like, just thinking when you said it, like, everyone even listening to this, you got a file. Right where you are in your life, right?

• 14:17Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 14:18Ed Mylett?

  That's your past. You can set that file down and start over. Brother, that is so freaking huge for everyone to hear that. Was he the first, I'm just curious, was he the first like mentor for you, like positive guy? Finally you find this, man, what a blessing, right?

• 14:33Speaker 03

  Absolutely. He was a, he was the kind of guy that at first I didn't trust.

• 14:38Ed Mylett?

  Cause he was too good a guy or what?

• 14:39Speaker 03

  Yes. Yeah. It was, it was like in the house, like, I mean, you, you come from all this, you usually you're going to bad places.

• 14:45Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 14:45Speaker 03

  Well, this was like Disneyland for a lot of us, right? And so going there and, and with the way that some of the things that happened to me as a kid. Um, I'd never been hugged, like not even by my mother. I'd never been, I don't know what, I didn't know what a hug was unless it was somebody trying to take advantage of me, right? So anything that was physical like that was like, hey, whoa.

• 15:06Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 15:06Speaker 03

  You know, I'm older now, that ain't happening.

• 15:08Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 15:09Speaker 03

  You know, so when, and he was that kind of guy where he was a very touchy person and a huggable person and a lovable person. So when we were sitting there at that bar and we got done talking, um, he went to hug, he hugged the other guys and he went to hug me and I was like.

• 15:24Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 15:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. I ain't doing that.

• 15:27Ed Mylett?

  Thirteen, never been hugged?

• 15:28Speaker 03

  Never.

• 15:28Ed Mylett?

  Oh my god.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  No, I didn't understand what it was.

• 15:31Ed Mylett?

  It's really amazing. I can picture you. Like, as you tell that, you're such a good storyteller, bro.

• 15:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, the thing is with stories, though, it's like, um, they happened. It's like, I can bring myself back there and put myself in those times.

• 15:45Ed Mylett?

  I think everyone can see it, though.

• 15:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was almost like, you know, you talk about it and you get those chills and stuff and you're thinking, man, those are some bad times. But, but because I, I do these things, right, like I talk about them, that, and it's a therapy, that it's not, it's not a demon to me anymore. It's something that happened to me, but it's not who I am.

• 16:03Ed Mylett?

  Doesn't own you.

• 16:04Speaker 03

  Right. And I think that all comes from being able to, you know, be able to share it with other people who may even gone through the same stuff. And understand, listen, man, that does not have to define your life. You don't have to let that define your life.

• 16:15Ed Mylett?

  I wonder if you realize how, like, and I know you do it other places, obviously, a lot, too. I wonder if you realize, like, the impact that makes, man, on people's, like, your legacy. Fighting just gave you the platform, right? Your legacy is probably not all the titles and the belts and all that other stuff. Your legacy is gonna be this, like, literally, man, like, thousands and millions of people hearing this and going, man, I can do this too. Like, I can change my life. Like, that's, I just, I can picture you there. It draws my mind. So, you go there, because we gotta get to, we gotta get to your fighting and where you are now, too, because I want a five-hour show with you. I really do.

• 16:45Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 16:46Ed Mylett?

  I would love that. But you, so how do you start? Where's, you already were fighting, but you weren't fighting, fighting, right? I mean, you weren't skilled.

• 16:53Speaker 03

  I wasn't getting paid.

• 16:54Ed Mylett?

  You were getting paid, right?

• 16:55Speaker 03

  Well, maybe I was, because I was stealing money after I beat him, actually, maybe.

• 16:58Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, that probably ain't exactly right, yeah.

• 17:00Speaker 03

  It's not necessarily a prize fight.

• 17:02Ed Mylett?

  That's a prize fight. You just take your prize. So, when do you start? Like, you, you're, so, this Shamrock man, obviously, you carry his name now. This is a life-altering human in your life, right? I mean, no question about it. And so, so, what, does, did he have a fighting background? Like, did you end up, by living with him, you end up getting into the, the mixed martial arts, or fighting, or grappling, or wrestling, or what is it? What happened?

• 17:26Speaker 03

  No, I think it was more of the way he was as a personality. We... We had, this was this big house and in the front room, it was, people would always wrestle.

• 17:36Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 17:37Speaker 03

  And he would always grab us and throw us and stuff us under the fireplace because we had a ledge over the fireplace. He'd shove us under there and punch us in the gut, you know, and, and just wrestle and, and just play around all the time like that. And so for, for a kid growing up like that, you, you almost start like, this is pretty cool, right? So then it leads into the wrestling. And I was very violent anyways.

• 17:57Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 17:58Speaker 03

  So I needed a channel to, to, to vent in. And so for me, it was football and wrestling.

• 18:02Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 18:03Speaker 03

  But.

• 18:03Ed Mylett?

  Were you a great athlete?

• 18:04Speaker 03

  I, I was definitely blessed with some athletic ability.

• 18:08Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  And along with the aggression to go with it, which is a pretty good combination.

• 18:12Ed Mylett?

  I read a, I read a thing from him that said you were the best athlete he had ever seen.

• 18:16Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 18:16Ed Mylett?

  Right? So you are, you're being even humble now. Like you're an extraordinarily gifted and intense athlete, right?

• 18:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, my, my father and a lot of other people that I've, have, have practiced and trained for, have definitely given me some pretty high compliments.

• 18:31Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, well, obviously you end up being one of the greats of all time. It's something, there had to be something there originally, right? How do you become you? I'm just curious. Like, so you go from there. How do you become this guy like, like, everybody in, especially in my generation, when I think of the UFC, there's like three or four people that I think of. For me, the top of my list is you, just because we look alike or whatever, right? Like I literally like always, it was you. So.

• 18:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, we connect too. So I noticed that right away.

• 18:55Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, we just, we connect, man. Like so, but like, there's Gracie, there's you, but like, all time great fighters, like all these dudes, like Dom Cruz was on my show, Dominic was, like, all these guys making all this money now owe it to you. Your generation of guys, right? You guys built that company. You built the brand. You built the sport. And so, how'd you become you? Like, how'd it happen? Like you go from, you're, you're terrible for the first 13 years upbringing, right? Terrible in that it was rough. It ended up serving you. You meet this mentor, you're there. Take me from some point in that to where, oh my God, you're fighting for, how do you end up fighting for the heavyweight championship of the UFC? How do you get there?

• 19:33Speaker 03

  Well, it's a long road traveled, you know, like uh didn't have an education because I was in a group home all the way till I was thirteen, in and out of placements, I didn't go to school, so when I went to high school, I was, didn't, I couldn't read, I couldn't do addition, so I went into special ed, and being in special ed created problems because people said, hey, that kid's in special ed, so it was that, so because I was a great athlete, a lot of that stuff, I got away with, nobody messed with me, nobody teased me, um and so I was a great athlete, so people wanted to help me, and I, I, I grasped onto that early on, where people, uh because I was a good football player, and I was a good wrestler, that coaches and teachers wanted to help me, so I gravitated, I understood

• 20:14Speaker 03

  that, like, hey, the sports can do something for me, like, like, these people want to help me, and getting extra attention because I'm good at something, so then I started becoming better at it, I started working at it, and I started going to school, I started learning, by the time I graduated my senior year, I graduated all mainstream courses, went into college, played two years of college, but I broke my neck What you played in college? What's that? What you played? Linebacker, linebacker, fullback. Okay. My senior year, now, this is another journey, like, that, another obstacle, which has been a lot of them, my, my seventeen years, one month away from my eighteenth birthday, I was wrestling, I qualified for state wrestling, and um I was practicing, and of course, during this time, they don't have the whole team there, you know, it's, it's the postseason,

• 20:59Speaker 03

  so the freshmen weren't there to tape the mats together, and so they just rolled the mats out, and there were all these mats that pushed together, so I'm in there practicing, because I was the only one that qualified at the time, and there was this bigger kid who weighed about, you know, one hundred and eighty pounds, and I was wrestling one eighty-five, one, yeah, one eighty-five at that time, and, and, and, in Nevada, because I was on the border there, it was one seventy-five, so I was wrestling both those classes, but in the state, I was wrestling one eighty, one eighty-five, so I had this other kid in there, it was a bigger kid, and uh, because I was fifteen pounds light, but I was just so strong. Huge difference, though. So I'm shooting on the guy, and I'm picking him up, and I got him up in the air, and I'm spinning like a helicopter, and the coach, which is, his name is Mike Paul, screams

• 21:42Speaker 03

  at him, you better take him down, stop playing around, you're gonna do walls, which is a conditioning drill, so I went to step, uh, take him down, I slipped, and I fell, now when I slipped and fell

• 21:56Speaker 03

  I had him on me and I sat like into the Indian position and when he landed on me, he pushed my head like almost all the way down to my belly button.

• 22:04Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 22:04Speaker 03

  And what happened was it took my spine and it stretched it. And then when it stretched it and it came back up again, it went bang. Smashed all my cartilages and broke my neck. My seventeen years old, I had all this promise.

• 22:17Ed Mylett?

  Oh my.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Everything was going in the right direction. I had a family, I was privileged, felt privileged.

• 22:23Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  I'm going to college, I had all these offers and all of a sudden I broke my neck.

• 22:29Ed Mylett?

  I didn't know that.

• 22:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, I broke it. And I was like, I didn't think anything of it. I know they scooped me up with this clamp underneath me, put a board on top of me, picked me up off the ground, put me in the ambulance, took me to a reading California, which was almost two and a half, three hours from where we were at.

• 22:44Ed Mylett?

  Oh my god.

• 22:45Speaker 03

  And that's where they actually found out that I had broke my neck.

• 22:49Ed Mylett?

  Oh my gosh.

• 22:50Speaker 03

  Cut me through my neck here, did bone chip, fused my neck, never play sports again. Doc says you will never play contact sports again.

• 22:57Ed Mylett?

  You fused your neck then?

• 22:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:58Ed Mylett?

  And you ended up going on to do all this other stuff afterwards?

• 23:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:00Ed Mylett?

  No way!

• 23:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:02Ed Mylett?

  Oh brother, okay.

• 23:03Speaker 03

  Told never play sports, never play a contact sport again.

• 23:06Ed Mylett?

  Oh my god.

• 23:07Speaker 03

  And I remembered at that moment.

• 23:09Ed Mylett?

  Of course you're not supposed to play a contact sport. That's amazing.

• 23:12Speaker 03

  I'm laying in bed, in a hospital bed when I'm told this and my dad is there. Bob Shamrock, who wasn't, I wasn't adopted yet, but he was my dad.

• 23:20Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 23:23Speaker 03

  I was like, I was broken.

• 23:25Ed Mylett?

  Oh my god.

• 23:26Speaker 03

  I'm like, I don't, that's not gonna happen.

• 23:28Ed Mylett?

  Hmm.

• 23:28Speaker 03

  That's not gonna happen. I remember my father said to me, he goes,

• 23:34Speaker 03

  "Do you think

• 23:37Speaker 03

  that God has brought you this far and given you this much success to leave you now?"

• 23:45Speaker 03

  He says, "You have a purpose in life. The journey you have traveled means something. What you do at this point is up to you, son." He said, "But if you're gonna lay down and pout..." And I'm laying in bed with a broken neck.

• 24:01Ed Mylett?

  Oh my god.

• 24:02Speaker 03

  And he's being aggressive with me, "If you lay down and pout, it is over."

• 24:05Ed Mylett?

  Wow.

• 24:06Speaker 03

  "But if you rise to the occasion and use this as a tool, you will succeed." And I remember sitting there going, "Man, you're right." You're absolutely right. Today doesn't end here. There's no way this is over. There's no way I came this far and for it to stop now. Now, he didn't know what I was thinking. Of course, in my mind, I was like, there's no way I'm gonna stop playing football. There's no way I'm gonna stop doing what I wanna do contact-wise. There's no way that that this is gonna end now. My dad just told me that, no, it can't end now. God has a purpose for me. Now, my dad was saying basically that to motivate me to get up and recover from this and move on in life to something else.

• 24:44Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:46Speaker 03

  So, I had this halo on with these bars and stuff. I have holes in my head. They used a torque wrench to tighten the bolts down. I was like going into a mechanic shop.

• 24:55Ed Mylett?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 24:56Speaker 03

  So, I go through this for about six months with the halo on. I was in the hospital for a couple of months, six months of halo on. I had built my body up to 170 pounds. I was, actually, at 160, I was benching 320.

• 25:08Ed Mylett?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  So, I was really strong, worked up to about 170 pounds.

• 25:12Ed Mylett?

  Bench-ing double your body weight.

• 25:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was, I mean, I was strong.

• 25:14Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 25:14Speaker 03

  And so, I get to this point to where, um, I built all this up. I broke my neck. I was in this halo. I was down to 130 pounds. I looked sick, like I had AIDS.

• 25:25Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, horrible.

• 25:26Speaker 03

  And I remember getting out of the hospital and I was, I wasn't depressed.

• 25:30Ed Mylett?

  You were not?

• 25:31Speaker 03

  No, I was like, okay, it begins now.

• 25:33Ed Mylett?

  Oh, my gosh, buddy.

• 25:34Speaker 03

  It begins now. And I remember I spent hours in the gym, nighttime, because we had the gym at the home.

• 25:41Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  And I was out there at nighttime with the light on after everybody was in bed and I was lifting. And then the next day in the morning time, I would get up and I would lift again. And then most of the day, I was fixing meals and eating and trying to put my weight back on. And then I would go out and run, and this was like during the summertime. And I tried to build myself back up again. And by the time I, I, uh, it was about, I think it took six months for me to put 170, I went bigger, 175 pounds in six months, from the time I broke my neck to the time I started working out again.

• 26:15Ed Mylett?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 26:16Speaker 03

  I put that weight on. A year and a half later. I had to go to the doctor. I had to ask him to sign a waiver or a release form. So I could go and play college football. Now, all the schools wouldn't touch me. It was like I had the plague.

• 26:30Ed Mylett?

  Of course.

• 26:30Speaker 03

  So I had to go and walk on to a school. It was a Shasta College. And I remember I had to go to the doctors in order to play football. So, so he would sign a release to say that he wasn't responsible. I knew all the risks.

• 26:43Ed Mylett?

  You end up in a wheelchair.

• 26:44Speaker 03

  And then I had to go into the college and do the same thing. It was like, listen, I know what I'm doing. I'm signing off. If it happens, it's on me. I did that. Walked in. I was All-American linebacker. First year I redshirted, second year All-American, third year All-American.

• 26:58Ed Mylett?

  What? How come I don't know this part of your story?

• 27:00Speaker 03

  No, nobody really talks about.

• 27:02Ed Mylett?

  Dude, that's huge. Like, that's like, this is a pattern though with you, man. Like, you need to rewind this last six minutes. Like, that's bananas. That conversation while you're laying there, are you freaking kidding me? And then you with a damn halo, put on forty freaking pounds? That's nuts. But so, but what it is, is like, there's just been this freak switching you for a long time then, right? So, you were a freak when you'd fight as a kid. But then like, they say, uh, no more contact sports. There's just this freak and there's like, no, I'm gonna.

• 27:28Speaker 03

  Right.

• 27:28Ed Mylett?

  Boom, and you just.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  Do it.

• 27:29Ed Mylett?

  That's bananas.

• 27:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, so it... And that doesn't, like I said, if we, if we had hours to talk about it, it'd be great. But I went through so many adversities, times. That, that was one of them. Then there was a divorce that my father went through. And I thought I was gonna be sent back because I thought the home would get shut down. So, it was a lot of that stuff that went on too, that part of it. And, and him telling me, listen, I'm gonna finish what I started. Nobody's going anywhere. So, it was like.

• 27:55Ed Mylett?

  What a good man.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  Ah, the house was lifted off me. I was like, I'm doing something now, right? It's not gonna end. And then, then, you know, I went through a divorce, you know? And then I had kids and it was tough. And so, went through that stuff. And I broke my neck again later on in 2001. I had to, uh, in 2012, I actually had it, um, they had to redo it. That's when the brackets went in. So, there, there was a constant, um, um, adversity. But when adversity hit me, this is how I dealt with adversity. It was like, yeah, there it is, right? But that, it's just there. But it isn't an obstacle to me. It's just there, but I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing. And you imagine.

• 28:32Ed Mylett?

  People need to hear that.

• 28:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, but even in fighting, it's like, when, when I tell people like, hey, I broke my neck. They're like. Shut up.

• 28:40Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:40Speaker 03

  You broke, well, no. He's like, yeah, no, I did. Well, you, but.

• 28:44Ed Mylett?

  And you fought after the second neck break?

• 28:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:47Ed Mylett?

  Tell them real quick, you're telling me before we get on, tell them the crap that's in your body. Like, right now, after all this, like, what's in your body? Describe some of the stuff. Listen to this, listen to, and this man's been fighting with many of these things in his body for years. Okay, so, no, but listen, here's what you think. Well, I got this against me. This person's not rooting for me. My mom doesn't think I should do the business I'm in, you know? Everyone's against me, I'm broke. Okay, that's against you, right? This man's won championships with these things in his body from time to time. Tell them.

• 29:13Speaker 03

  Titanium knee. Titanium ball in my shoulder. One through seven in my neck, titanium brackets where it was broke. Lower back, one through four, titanium brackets in the lower back from a fractured back. And of course, I've had, you know, the hand there, multiple, I had screws in there for a while. Multiple breaks, concussions. I've got holes in my head from the halo that I have on.

• 29:39Ed Mylett?

  So what the hell is?

• 29:40Speaker 03

  I tell people, I don't mean to interrupt, but I tell people when I shave my head.

• 29:43Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 29:43Speaker 03

  And, cause there's a big hole in my head, there's one on each side.

• 29:46Ed Mylett?

  From that halo?

• 29:46Speaker 03

  Right, there's one right there, one in front. But there's two in the back here that got, they're like deep holes, like crevices, right? So, when I had my head shaved, uh, there would be people coming, they'd be, "What are the holes in your head?" So I got shot.

• 29:59Ed Mylett?

  Well, you've been stabbed, so it's like completely believable. Are you all hearing this story? Like, when you hear the behind the scenes of what made a change, like, what the heck could your excuse possibly be?

• 30:08Speaker 03

  Right.

• 30:08Ed Mylett?

  You're in a combat sport with these injuries, right? It's bananas to me. Let's talk about combat sport for a second. So, when you fight, just curious, he's fought all over the world and all the different sort of, uh, venues, the different, uh, uh, groups, the different everything. You've been all over the world fighting, right? I mean, obviously. I'm just curious, like, when you're, fight night? I'm just curious, like, cause you've had all this adversity. Take them in this minute, like, do you, this basic stuff, every, I always wanted to know, right, about guys who fight, like, to me. There's something unique about a man who's willing to walk in and confront another man. Okay, I think that's special. I think those are very few humans on earth. I respect all the guys in that game.

• 30:49Ed Mylett?

  Just the admiration I have for a man willing to confront another man and there's nobody else in there with you, right? That's, that's an experience very few people can relate to, that you can relate to literally hundreds of times. All over the world, in some pretty scary places and for not a lot of money, right? A lot of times too, right? You went in there to fight. Are you scared? Do you get scared? Have you been in a, have you been walking in going, "I'm, I'm, I have fear about this particular man, or this particular fight, or that experience?" And if you did, how do you deal with it? Or do you not?

• 31:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know...

• 31:21Ed Mylett?

  Isn't that interesting? People want to know that.

• 31:25Speaker 03

  Fear is not something that has ever entered into my mindset. Except for when I'm not prepared. When I am prepared, there's just like the adversity where they had brackets on my neck, or I broke my neck, or my knee went out. Those were just, they were there. I knew they were there. But that's, that's over. That's over. Now it's time for me to do what I want to do.

• 31:46Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 31:47Speaker 03

  So it's not, it's not a thought to me. There's no thought.

• 31:51Ed Mylett?

  So you don't? So your preparation is your company?

• 31:53Speaker 03

  I don't think about it. I don't think about that at all. I just...

• 31:55Ed Mylett?

  You're standing there, they're calling your name out. "Most dangerous man in the world, four time this." You're bouncing up and down, right? What's going on in your head right there?

• 32:02Speaker 03

  My thing is, is like I'm going through my training, I'm going through the process, the stuff I did, the, the thing that he's gonna probably do, my counter to that, this and that, going in there, I look in, standing there, I look across the ring, I bulldog, boom, right in their eyes. First thing I'll lock on to them. Because that's gonna tell me who they are going into this fight, whether they're gonna be game or not game. If they're not game, I'm coming after them. If they are game, then I stick to my strategy, whatever, however I trained. And then I go after them. When I first started fighting, my thought process was when I locked in there, and I went in there, I wanted to kill him. I wanted to break him down, I wanted to make them beg. Because of where I came from, this was my opportunity to become successful, and this man is in my way.

• 32:44Speaker 03

  And I'm, I'm gonna take him out, and he's gonna remember me for the rest of his life.

• 32:48Ed Mylett?

  Oh my god, so good. Both of those things, like...

• 32:53Ed Mylett?

  Right, like right now, but like both of those things, look at even the other guys in here, right? Like, both of those things, applying other stuff though, I just want to say this, like all this stuff about preparation, I'm gonna dial in, I'm gonna adjust, I'm gonna, what they're gonna do, I'm gonna do it, that's a sales call. By the way, in business, that's a phone call, not the same thing. Whole lot more pressure, when there's another man, there's more pressure, when there's, I promise you, brother, give yourself credit, there's more pressure when there's another dude in there who can do you bodily harm, right?

• 33:16Speaker 03

  But I don't want to lock him down on this, so check this out though, listen to this for a minute. And not so much me, because I've already experienced it, I've done it. But do you realize that most fighters are more afraid of standing up in front of an audience, rather than walking into the ring and fighting?

• 33:30Ed Mylett?

  That's interesting.

• 33:32Speaker 03

  They piss themselves when they go walk into the ring, there's all those people around, they're like, they're gonna walk into the ring and fight for the thousands of people, but they can't hold a microphone and tell people what they did.

• 33:42Ed Mylett?

  Which, by the way, you're unique, because you're excellent at both of those things, right? Like, you're good at both of those things, but no, you're right, everyone has their fear that they face, but, I'm curious too, like, I want to ask you about one more thing in terms of being in the ring. Because you've won some huge fights, you've lost some huge fights, right? Like, you've, you've won more than you've lost, that's why you're who you are. You've won most of them.

• 34:00Speaker 03

  I got old.

• 34:01Ed Mylett?

  Well, yeah, father time, you know, what they say, you can't beat father time. But do you, there's been a time, I'm curious, can you think of a time where you were in a fight? Because this is what people are thinking about in business, or in their marriage, or in whatever it is, right? Was there a time where you're in a fight where you were tempted to tap? You were tempted to give in, and you didn't? Like, is there, is there a moment of consideration there that overwhelms you? And was there a time where you just refused to? I mean, I'm sure there's environments where you just physically can't, someone's gonna snap your leg in half, right? Or whatever, but is there a, is there, there's, there's gotta be a moment in a lot of fights where you're like, or are you just reacting? Or is there a moment where you're like, I don't know how much more of this I can take? I'm fatigued, I've got nothing, like, how do you fight through that when that happens? When you're just like, your, your body...

• 34:47Ed Mylett?

  Is almost no longer willing. It's I guess it's your spirit or your desire that overrides it. What happens there?

• 34:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've never I've never had the experience of being in a moment where I didn't want to continue. Even when I was fighting Tito and I was getting my butt handed to me because, you know, obviously, there was a big age gap there and I had some injuries and all the things. But he was a great fighter in his prime and I was a great fighter out of my prime. So when I went in to fight him, there was some battles in there, but there was no there was ever never a thought in my mind, even when he was pummeling me, thought in my mind where I was gonna gonna tap out or get out of this.

• 35:23Ed Mylett?

  That right.

• 35:24Speaker 03

  Because it's it's a mindset when I go in for a fight. The mindset is I'm here and I'm not going anywhere. And he's not gonna make me go anywhere. So however it ends, it ends. But I would have to say more in that business sense of of of a fear factor of whether or not you feel like you've put everything into it and you got you just can't make another call because you just had too many shutdowns or you just don't want to keep, you know, you cut yourself short because there's been it hasn't been so much success.

• 35:50Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 35:51Speaker 03

  Or maybe you're tired, you're working too long, whatever whatever your your thing is where you feel like you just can't do another thing. But you haven't had enough success to stop yet. I would have to say for me, and I equate that to to something that I've experienced and is and I use in business is preparation.

• 36:09Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 36:10Speaker 03

  You know, for me, when I'm prepared, there's nothing I can't accomplish. There's absolutely nothing that I cannot accomplish. When I'm not prepared, whether it's due to an injury.

• 36:21Ed Mylett?

  Me too.

• 36:22Speaker 03

  And I wasn't able to train as hard as I needed to train and be prepared as well as much as I need to do, or whether it was even father time, knowing that I just didn't have what it took.

• 36:30Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  But I still went in and fought.

• 36:31Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 36:32Speaker 03

  And I still did it, put in the training that I had to put in the best I could without injuring myself.

• 36:37Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 36:38Speaker 03

  Okay, what I say to that is is that I keep pushing until I can't push anymore. I don't stop until I can't do anymore. And that means that my eyes have to be closed. That means like I can't do anything because I'm not conscious.

• 36:51Ed Mylett?

  Wow, that's unreal.

• 36:52Speaker 03

  And I feel like in business and moving into business, I gotta keep that same mentality. Because I gotta keep pushing, keep meeting people, keep driving. Don't take no for an answer. Don't let people discourage me. Don't tell people I can't. Like I did earlier in life where people said, "You're not gonna do this, you're not gonna do that." You know, because there are those people that are going to discourage you. There's gonna be those people who are gonna say, "Hey, you can't do it." Why? Because they're trying to do the same things you're doing. And it's a struggle, it's a battle, because it still is a fight. It's a fight in business to reach a level, and everybody's trying to get there. You don't think the guy next to you is struggling for the same position you're struggling for? Isn't going to try to tell you something to derail you? To try to maybe shake you off just a little bit?

• 37:32Speaker 03

  I mean, it's all the same thing, it's all a fight. But it's a mindset when you go into it, that you refuse to lose.

• 37:39Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, you're going to destroy a business, brother. I'm watching this, I'm just like, this is a lay down, like. Because, and you've already been destroying a business, but like, the way you can articulate thoughts, like, there's very few people in your space, very few athletes. There's a few, but there are very few athletes who can translate thought to words like you do. I think a little of that, brother, and let's talk about this one thing, then we're gonna transition into business completely. Here's a little thought I had. I think one of your first exposures to the business side of even sports was when you went into the WWE. Because it's a business. I think, and I think it also helped probably improve your articulation and your communication, right?

• 38:16Speaker 03

  Exactly right.

• 38:16Ed Mylett?

  Okay, so, many of you may not know this, but, so Ken was this unbelievable fighter. Then he was part of what you call the WB now, but it was WWF then, right?

• 38:24Speaker 03

  They can't make up their mind.

• 38:25Ed Mylett?

  They can't make up their mind, right? But then he went into the business sort of of fighting and of entertainment as well. And that requires articulation, that requires marketing, right? It requires showmanship, it requires, because my theory, we're just talking about this now, business a lot today is about getting attention. Getting attention, and you gotta get attention to be a marquee product and name in the WWE. Just real quick, how did that experience, what did that teach you? What did you learn from that experience being there that you could share with everybody too? That transition part of your career in the middle?

• 38:55Speaker 03

  I'll tell you, the biggest thing it did for me was when I went back into MMA after I'd had my experience in pro wrestling. Before that, there was no points. They weren't, nobody was getting anything on the back end of pay-per-view.

• 39:08Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 39:08Speaker 03

  Right? So here I was, standing there, and I had already gone through this with the agent in the, for wrestling, and I was always involved, um, that I was getting pay-per-view buy rates. I was getting points off that, and I was also getting, um, you know, merchandise. And so I started to learn how a big business worked.

• 39:24Ed Mylett?

  Monetized.

• 39:24Speaker 03

  And UFC hadn't been a big business until, you know, you know, the Fertittas took it over and really built it up into a big business.

• 39:31Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 39:32Speaker 03

  But prior to that, it hadn't been really so, there wasn't points coming off pay-per-view. People weren't getting anything, uh, off the merchandise. So here I was in pro wrestling, and I was learning how this big business thing worked. And then when I went back into, um, UFC.

• 39:47Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 39:47Speaker 03

  Uh, the first thing I did was tell the, my agent that I want points. They were like, dude, they don't give points. And I said, well, let me, that's when me and Dana had a, a conversation. And we were talking, I was actually out by the pool, and he approached me, said, hey, man, you know, love to be company. I said, dude, I love to, you know? And I said, uh, you know, I want this. And he says, well, man, we just don't have the money for that. And I was like, I was leading him, I was leading him, right?

• 40:11Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:11Speaker 03

  I was like, okay, hey, no problem. I says, but, um, how about we do this? I said, um, you know, we do so much over this.

• 40:18Ed Mylett?

  Over that number.

• 40:19Speaker 03

  Um, I get this. And, um, he looked at me, and I said, and he, he'd never broken this number, you know? So he felt pretty safe, like, okay. Yeah, I get a guarantee of this much?

• 40:31Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 40:32Speaker 03

  And I get so much over this, right? Over the, over the pay-per-view buys.

• 40:36Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 40:36Speaker 03

  And he said, okay. And so we went there and, and, um, we almost doubled.

• 40:41Ed Mylett?

  No kidding.

• 40:42Speaker 03

  That number. It was the first time that they had ever gotten that high. Cause I came back and actually fought and literally, me and Tito, we literally blew it up.

• 40:51Ed Mylett?

  Blew it up, yeah. Do you think the guys fighting now have an idea of where their history is? Do you think they know that? Some, and by the way, they still don't make what I think they should make relative to some of the boxers, right? But do you think those guys have an appreciation that it was sort of you and a few of these guys that broke that mold over time? Do you, do they tell you that, or do they not know their history, most of them?

• 41:09Speaker 03

  I think some of them do, and then some of them are so locked in. I mean, I would probably be one of those guys that wouldn't look back at that moment.

• 41:15Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:16Speaker 03

  I think a lot of that recognition may come in after they get done fighting, because. Really, and I don't take any offense to that because I know when a fighter is locked in

• 41:25Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 41:25Speaker 03

  And they're trying to achieve certain goals.

• 41:27Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  That all these other things going on outside in the world is blocked out.

• 41:31Ed Mylett?

  Gotcha.

• 41:31Speaker 03

  You know, so a lot of times like these guys will be fighting and it almost seems like they're rude or disrespectful, but they're not.

• 41:37Ed Mylett?

  I know.

• 41:37Speaker 03

  They're just locked in and they got a goal to achieve and don't, don't, don't, don't feel like you're not being liked or anything like that. These guys are just locked in. A lot of, and to fans.

• 41:47Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 41:47Speaker 03

  Um, when you see a guy like that, you know, sometimes, some people are more personable and a little bit easier in their environment. Some of them are just locked in and they got to achieve this goal and sometimes, you know, when you get into that.

• 41:58Ed Mylett?

  Tunnel.

• 41:58Speaker 03

  If you get into that tunnel, they're not gonna, they're not gonna, they're not gonna react very well.

• 42:02Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, no, you're right. I talk even with the fighters that I work with, I'm like, look, every amount of energy you expand outside that tunnel is wasted energy. So, where they are, you know, glad handing with you, that's energy they've put there but could have been in that focus. So, let's talk about business now for a second. You're, you're blowing this up already. I like some of the ideas you have about what you're gonna do too. And so first off, just to be real clear, you need to be following this guy on Instagram, right? So they can find you, is it under your name? Like where do they find you on social media first of all, so they know where to get you?

• 42:26Speaker 03

  Well, at kenshamrock.com is my website.

• 42:29Ed Mylett?

  Is that the big place you want them to go to find you?

• 42:30Speaker 03

  Yes, and our podcast, of course.

• 42:32Ed Mylett?

  Okay, yeah, so what's the name of the podcast?

• 42:34Speaker 03

  It's dangerouspodcast.com.

• 42:35Ed Mylett?

  Okay, so these are two big places. Then also, he's growing his social media following too, so we'll put some links on there, but you can all get right to him, so you're getting access, because you're not talking about just an athlete here, you can tell. You're talking about a motivator, an inspirer, a guy with great business sense. I think somebody who can be a great brand endorser like you've already been, someone who, obviously, I'd have come in and speak. We're gonna do some speaking stuff together like we've talked about. But talk a little bit about some of the ideas you've got in business that you're focusing on right now, because your heart is really to serve people. Like, I think you're a giving dude. I think, we can talk about your faith at the end a little bit, if you don't mind, we'll just touch on that one topic, but, but I do, um, it seems to be like you really care about these athletes, right? In their career and out of their career too. And you want to help elevate all these entrepreneurs too. There's this world of

• 43:17Ed Mylett?

  entrepreneurs that could benefit from the attention athletes could bring them, some of the strategies, like, it is not, it's crazy that for free, somebody right now is in the mind of a world champion. One of the few people that have ever walked the earth that repetitively won championships in a sport, right? The first ever Hall of Famer in that sport, they can get access to you. Here they get it for free, but if they want to get immersion with you, they want to partner with you, they want to get in your environment, that's a different story altogether. So what are you doing with that stuff?

• 43:47Speaker 03

  Well, I tell you, we've, uh, my best, my business partner, Dez Woodruff and myself have, and he's really helped me almost mature into the world. Like I said, I'm a baby in this thing, but it's exciting to me, so I'm gonna learn fast because I do like it.

• 43:59Ed Mylett?

  Yep.

• 44:00Speaker 03

  So as, uh, uh, we, we, you know, we went through a lot of these different trials and stuff, trying to figure out what direction to go, where we wanted to kind of put our energy into.

• 44:07Ed Mylett?

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:08Speaker 03

  And, um, you know, obviously we got into a podcast which gave us a great platform. We got this thing called Lion's Cage, which people get on there and do like, kind of like the Shark Tank, but it's on a podcast and they pitch ideas. And, uh, we poke holes in it and then eventually if there's a, a, a pretty good match there, we think that this thing has definitely got some potential, then we, we basically go to them and we, we put, we build in a strategic partnership with them.

• 44:30Ed Mylett?

  What a great idea. What's it called? So they can hear this, so they might have an idea.

• 44:33Speaker 03

  Uh, it's actually, uh, it's, it's our podcast and it's called Lion's Cage.

• 44:36Ed Mylett?

  Okay, so it's part of the podcast?

• 44:37Speaker 03

  Absolutely. You go on there and we, we, and when you go on the podcast, you can see the part where it says Lion's Cage on there.

• 44:43Ed Mylett?

  Okay, that's a great idea.

• 44:43Speaker 03

  And you can submit some of the ideas and stuff like that. So that's been really big for us to really help us grow into the business world.

• 44:49Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  But the other thing too is, is that we started a while back and we're not ready for it yet.

• 44:53Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 44:54Speaker 03

  Uh, because it's me and me and Dez have to, to build this mold. We're still building the mold and working through these different situations, making sure that, um, we work out any of the kinks or any of the problems that we may see first before we go to these celebrities and these athletes and say, "Hey, you know, we got this and this." But what it is, is Celebrity and Entrepreneur, Entrepreneur.

• 45:15Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  It's the Celebrity and Entrepreneur, three.

• 45:17Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  That's the, that's the website. Celebrity, Entrepreneur, three.

• 45:20Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 45:20Speaker 03

  And what it is, is the celebrity, it's the entrepreneur, and then there's the business, which is the three.

• 45:25Ed Mylett?

  Wow.

• 45:26Speaker 03

  So we put that together and, um, what it is, is really, we had watched, uh, several times and hearing things about how athletes have gone in and they've been very successful and they've made a lot of money, but then when they stop, you know, doing what they do, they keep living the same lifestyle, but they don't have the ability to be able to try to monetize their, their fan base, their popularity.

• 45:50Ed Mylett?

  You got it.

• 45:51Speaker 03

  And so what we try to do is go, "You know what? We were already doing that and I thought, "How come we can't do that with them?" I literally said that to Dez. I go, "Brother, how come we can't do that with them?"

• 46:00Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 46:00Speaker 03

  And he goes, "You know what?"

• 46:03Speaker 03

  We can. So he started working on it. He came up with the CE3 and started putting the

• 46:07Ed Mylett?

  Great idea.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  And um

• 46:09Ed Mylett?

  I want to help you with that.

• 46:10Speaker 03

  I'm telling you, this thing right here uh will change the world. It won't, agents won't be happy about it.

• 46:15Ed Mylett?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 46:16Speaker 03

  Because what it is doing is imagine this, if you had an entrepreneur instead of an agent. Now, an agent basically manages everything that's already done. Contracts, money coming in, make sure you're getting what you're supposed to get.

• 46:30Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 46:30Speaker 03

  Right? They do all that.

• 46:31Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 46:31Speaker 03

  But an entrepreneur goes out there and creates different business opportunities for you. So let's say you're still fighting, right? And you're at the top of your game, you're popular. So then your entrepreneur can go out and go, hey, go over to Ford or Budweiser, somebody say, hey, we want to do a commercial for you. We don't want any money, but hey, man, how about a sliver of uh some of the equity ownership? So instead, because they're already getting a lump sum of cash.

• 46:52Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 46:52Speaker 03

  Right? With their fights.

• 46:53Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 46:54Speaker 03

  So why don't we start now building a retirement fund for them?

• 46:56Ed Mylett?

  That's brilliant.

• 46:57Speaker 03

  Saying, hey, guess what? We're not going to give you the lump sum of money, but we're going to get you, make you a business owner. Multiple businesses.

• 47:02Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 47:03Speaker 03

  While you're fighting, all you do is cut a promo.

• 47:05Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, the great idea is they can't spend that either.

• 47:07Speaker 03

  Right. It comes in, residual income, residual comes in, and you could put that money away, and they don't even really need that right now because they're, they're making money off their fight.

• 47:15Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 47:15Speaker 03

  And imagine having that in place on your team instead of an agent, or maybe even an agent and an entrepreneur.

• 47:21Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 47:21Speaker 03

  So that entrepreneur is really going out and just locking down businesses for you that you're getting equity ownership of, that you, you really don't even need it this time, but because you're popular and

• 47:30Ed Mylett?

  Yep.

• 47:31Speaker 03

  because you have that fame, you're able to go out there and knock down a couple of commercials and grab equity ownership of a company that needs advertising.

• 47:37Ed Mylett?

  Wonderful idea, man. See, you're, you have all this giftedness that you, it's obvious to you, but you know, or it's not obvious to you, you don't know that it's a giftedness. There's not very many athletes ever who think like you're thinking.

• 47:49Speaker 03

  Well, thank you.

• 47:49Ed Mylett?

  No, it's true. And what you're doing is going to serve a lot of them who don't think that way, right? Like,

• 47:53Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 47:53Ed Mylett?

  I think those of you that are watching this, like, you got to see this, like, you've got access into the mindset now of like a world champion, but you also can see, like, from the business perspective, you can see where this guy's going, you're going to follow his stuff, you're going to stay connected with him and engage with him, because I don't even think this is the end of what you're doing.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  No.

• 48:06Ed Mylett?

  I think it's going to go all these different directions as you and I partner and we get these other collaborations going too, so.

• 48:11Speaker 03

  Well, it's just like my mindset and your, I could see it's your mindset too and a lot of successful people. And I say this many times, is that when you're born, And people get to a certain point in their life, say someone wants to be a baseball player, a football player, a basketball player, and they make it. And they get to a, you know, thirty years old and someone stands, turns around, the athlete goes, "Hey, I made it."

• 48:31Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 48:31Speaker 03

  And I look at it, I go, "We made it." It's like, "How long do you think you want to live for?"

• 48:36Ed Mylett?

  Right.

• 48:37Speaker 03

  Because like, making it today is from the time that you're born to the time you're putting the ground.

• 48:41Ed Mylett?

  That's right.

• 48:42Speaker 03

  It's like, you know, and I think that's where the problem is with a lot of these guys is they get to that point and they say they made it.

• 48:47Ed Mylett?

  Yep.

• 48:47Speaker 03

  And they just kind of stop.

• 48:49Ed Mylett?

  You're right.

• 48:49Speaker 03

  And then all of a sudden, the money runs out and they, now they have to reboot it, but they don't have the same abilities they used to have.

• 48:54Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, but what you've done though is their identity is athlete and when athlete ends, they don't know who they are. Whereas what you've done is you've taken your identity from athlete to businessman. I've watched stuff in your faith, I've watched how you give to people, your ability to communicate. You never just stayed athlete, right? You had different identities. Real quick, because we're running out of a little bit of time, I'm just curious, I don't even know the answer to this, has faith played any role in your career or your life for you? Is that something that you lean on, don't lean on? What would you tell me about that?

• 49:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely. When I was ten years old and I was going through all those issues, I remember I was in between a group home and I was at home and I didn't want to be there, so my, my biological mother at the time had, had gotten saved. And so she wanted, asked if I wanted to go to church. And of course, I wouldn't want to go, but I didn't want to stay home where, where there was a lot of issues going on there. So I went with her, just to the church, and I was going to make fun of them, right? I was, I was ten years old at this time. And so here I'm walking into this, this, this, this church and I'm going into this kids program. She goes into the big church and I remember I was really in, kind of like, you know, oh, I'm going to see people walk on water, elevate, you know, whoa, what's going to happen here? A ghost going to come in here?

• 50:02Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 50:02Speaker 03

  You know, just trying to be, make fun of everything. Well, that day they were going out and actually handing out flyers to the neighborhoods, people that were home, obviously, weren't in charge. So it was like this thing where they were going to go try and promote, right?

• 50:14Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 50:14Speaker 03

  Uh, market and go out and hand these flyers out and give these things out. Well, they had these Wrigley's spearmint gums stuck to these pieces of paper, right? Just a chewing gum. And they would go and had this box and they would go up and hand these flyers out. Well, I'm not going up and talking to people about church.

• 50:27Ed Mylett?

  Right.

• 50:27Speaker 03

  Fact is, if I was to walk up to one of their doors, they'd probably call the police. Because it was my neighborhood and I think everybody knew me by now. So here I am carrying the box and so I said, "I'm going to carry the box." And it had all this bubble gum in there, so I'm taking the gum off the paper. People growing up with the flyers say, hey, they had this little sting they would say they had to do with the gum. And they'd hand it to them and all of a sudden there's. And the person would go. And all this one would look down and they'd look at me and all that.

• 50:51Ed Mylett?

  It's chewing your gum.

• 50:52Speaker 03

  Alright.

• 50:54Speaker 03

  So, I remember the exact time it happened. I was walking with the box and I was stepping off the curb, literally coming off the curb. And I remember I felt this peace come over me. I wasn't looking for it. I wasn't asking for it. I mean, a lot of people, you talk about how people talk about. Faith sometimes is saying, well, you gotta go out and earn it and you just say, you know, you're such, you're, you know, this bull, you know? And I, and I respect anybody that has that. It's their opinion. But this is what happened to me. And as I was stepping off the curb, I felt this, remember, I had been hugged. Remember, I don't know what peace is. I don't know what comfortable is. I don't know what relaxed is. And there I was. In this peace. Happy. And I wasn't doing anything, carrying on a box.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  And I just, and it wasn't long at all, but I remember after it happened. I felt. Like. I couldn't talk to anybody about it, like because it was gay. Like, if I tell somebody, they're gonna take advantage of me, like, I don't want, because, you know, I mean, I had this weird thing about. Talking to people about love or, or, because like I said, I didn't know what that was, you know, the feeling or the hug, any of that stuff. So here I was going in and I remember I walked into, to the youth pastor and it just came out. I don't know how it came out. I was like, hey, man. Don't take this wrong, but. Something happened. And he was like.

• 52:14Speaker 03

  And I remember trying to explain, saying, man, I just felt free. At peace. You know, and then he just started to come towards me. I remember this. Like, like, like he wanted to embrace me right.

• 52:25Ed Mylett?

  You don't do that.

• 52:25Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 52:28Speaker 03

  Not that kind of peace. It wasn't like he was doing that, right? But because of my experience, it was like, whoa. So for me to try to say that kind of stuff was really hard. And so he said it was the Holy Spirit. And of course.

• 52:42Ed Mylett?

  What? What is that? Right, right, right.

• 52:44Speaker 03

  You know, long story short, got baptized. And really basically stood in front of the church. Told my story about what happened. At ten years old and I, and listen, remember this. This neighborhood, this church was in my neighborhood. So as I'm standing up on this there, the stage telling people what I had felt. All these people are looking at me and I stole that person's bike and I broke into that person's car. And all these people knew me, right? And here I was standing on the stage talking to this congregation who looked at me like I was a villain. Right? So that was my experience, but I believe this. Wholeheartedly, that because of that experience, because right after that, I went back into the group home. I wasn't at home, it was a home visit.

• 53:29Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 53:29Speaker 03

  So I went right back into placement, so for four years, I was right back at to what I normally did because no one was nurturing me or doing anything for me. But I believe that that seed was planted there. Because unconsciously, I was searching for that feeling again. So as life was going on, I constantly kept saying, you know what, this is not where I want to be. Ended up at the Shamrock Boys home, my last chance. And they taught church there.

• 53:58Ed Mylett?

  Oh my gosh.

• 53:59Speaker 03

  Out of all the other homes I went to, there was no church and I kept running away from them. They didn't feel right.

• 54:03Ed Mylett?

  Wow, wow, wow.

• 54:04Speaker 03

  They didn't feel right to me. I ended up at Shamrock Boys home, they taught church there. And I succeeded there.

• 54:10Ed Mylett?

  Gosh, brother.

• 54:11Speaker 03

  Did my faith play into my success? Absolutely yes, for me.

• 54:17Ed Mylett?

  Man, that's such a, you got me right there, brother. Because we're both sinners, saved by the grace of God, that goes without saying, right? We're still sinning, right? But the bottom line is, and the other thing too, I want people to hear too, we don't get into faith that much, but I just want to cover this. It is a personal thing. So yours is just a feeling stepping off the curb, for some people, it's some other thing. It's a personal thing that you feeling that you know, but I'm so glad you shared that. Like, I love you, brother. I think you're awesome, man. Like, I really, really enjoyed that. I have so many more things I want to ask you. In fact, I want to make a deal with you. Will, will you start getting some of these other ventures going? Let's do this again, okay?

• 54:49Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, absolutely.

• 54:50Ed Mylett?

  We'll do another one, we're going to get into some of the real business stuff, but.

• 54:52Speaker 03

  Well, something tells me, man, maybe you'll be doing some stuff, so.

• 54:54Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, we are, we are, brother. I like, really enjoyed the day. Did you all enjoy today? I know you enjoyed the day. Thank you, Ken, so much, brother. And if you enjoyed this today, here's the only thing I ask. This sucker's free. I just want you. To review it where you are right now, leave a good review, leave a good review rather. The reason for that is it moves up the rankings, then people around the world hear this, particularly in third world countries, it has to move up the rankings for them to get access to this powerful man's information and mine as well. So please give it a review. God bless you, brother. Thank you. Max out, everybody.