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0:56 Caleb Hammer? To watch episodes of Financial Audit a week earlier, check us out on YouTube. I kind of wanted to discover what's going on with the audience at this time. So I am going in blind. I know nothing.
1:05 Speaker 03 I decided to come here because I saw you on Hinge Six.
1:08 Caleb Hammer? Are you kidding? The is that?
1:12 Speaker 03 I mean, I
1:14 Caleb Hammer? You kidding me?
1:16 Speaker 03 I wish I was kidding.
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1:36 Speaker 03 Hi, my name's Carly. I'm 27. I live in Austin, Texas, and this is Financial Audit.
1:43 Caleb Hammer? Thanks for coming in. What do you do for a living here in Austin?
1:46 Speaker 03 So I do social media support for a bank.
1:50 Caleb Hammer? For a bank, okay. Are those huge social media pages, banks? Who's following the banks?
1:55 Speaker 03 Um.
1:55 Caleb Hammer? Interesting. Okay.
1:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:56 Caleb Hammer? How much are you making?
1:57 Speaker 03 So I bring in around 56 before taxes. It's about 3,400 every month total.
2:06 Caleb Hammer? Net, as I was heading that? How are we living in Austin on that? How does that feel?
2:10 Speaker 03 Um, it feels okay.
2:11 Caleb Hammer? Yeah.
2:12 Speaker 03 Um, there are, it feels a little bit better when it's a three paycheck month. Or it feels a little bit better when I get a stock payout.
2:19 Caleb Hammer? So you're bi-weekly, it's not semi-monthly. So sometimes you get the little three, the little
2:23 Speaker 03 Right.
2:23 Caleb Hammer? Special three, okay.
2:24 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:25 Caleb Hammer? What's your rent?
2:26 Speaker 03 Um, my rent is thirteen hundred after.
2:30 Caleb Hammer? A little expensive. After what?
2:32 Speaker 03 After pest control, pet fees, uh, water, sewage. That's all included in the thirteen hundred.
2:40 Caleb Hammer? Okay, so after the normal rent stuff that isn't everyone's rent?
2:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
2:43 Caleb Hammer? Okay, well.
2:44 Speaker 03 I think it's like eleven eighty-nine before you add all that stuff in, but.
2:48 Caleb Hammer? Yeah.
2:50 Caleb Hammer? Okay, yeah, I mean, thirty-six, we're stretching at thirty-six percent of your income.
2:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
2:55 Caleb Hammer? So definitely stretching up, but you know, for the Austin area, that percentage isn't the most horrendous, that's for sure. So what is going on? I'll be honest, I'm going in a little blind, a little more blind right now.
3:06 Speaker 03 Okay.
3:07 Caleb Hammer? We wanted to just test a little thing and I'm curious, uh, why, just like, I'm like, you know, I kind of want to discover what's going on with the audience at this time, so I am going in blind. I know nothing about you.
3:19 Speaker 03 Okay.
3:20 Caleb Hammer? What the is going on?
3:22 Speaker 03 I feel like with my income, I should be in a better place than I am. And I know a lot of that has to do with me spending excessively, mostly on fast food and.
3:32 Caleb Hammer? We can't be doing that, man.
3:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, I know. And so.
3:35 Caleb Hammer? I'm sup- listen, I'm assuming if you're on this show.
3:38 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm.
3:39 Caleb Hammer? I'm assuming if there is a chunk of paperwork in front of me.
3:42 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:42 Caleb Hammer? We got debt. Do I know your debt? No, because again, self-discovery process on this.
3:48 Speaker 03 Yep.
3:48 Caleb Hammer? I don't know you. When we're going and we're just spending.
3:53 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm.
3:53 Caleb Hammer? Out, what are you doing? What does this look like? Is this a daily occurrence? What is our life? I mean, we're about to find out, so don't both me.
4:00 Speaker 03 Yeah, so, uh, specifically for them, the December month that I sent you all my, all my spending. Um, I had just recently, I've just recently moved. And so, um, my kind of excuse was that all my pots and pans are packed in boxes and so, um, let me just DoorDash here, let me just stop at McDonald's here, let me stop at Taco Bell there. Um, because all of my stuff was packed in boxes and so.
4:29 Caleb Hammer? Why do you?
4:31 Speaker 03 Because I'm lazy.
4:32 Caleb Hammer? Okay, you're self-confessed lazy.
4:35 Speaker 03 Yes.
4:35 Caleb Hammer? So what does this look like? Do you have something in your mouth? What is happening?
4:37 Speaker 03 Oh, it's a cough drop.
4:39 Caleb Hammer? You sick?
4:40 Speaker 03 I was, but I'm doing better.
4:42 Caleb Hammer? When?
4:43 Speaker 03 Um, like last week.
4:45 Caleb Hammer? With what?
4:46 Speaker 03 I'm not contagious.
4:47 Caleb Hammer? With what?
4:48 Speaker 03 It was like a sinus infection.
4:51 Speaker 03 I'm okay.
4:52 Caleb Hammer? So you say you go out to eat all the time?
4:55 Speaker 03 Uh huh. Oh, I'm scared.
4:57 Caleb Hammer? Why? Why would you be scared?
4:58 Speaker 03 I don't know. That's a big red.
5:00 Caleb Hammer? Why would you be scared?
5:02 Speaker 03 Because I know it's a lot. And I know that I I have the ability to cook.
5:07 Caleb Hammer? What else do you do a lot?
5:10 Speaker 03 Um.
5:12 Speaker 03 I go to Michael's a lot.
5:15 Speaker 03 Because I live right next door to Michael's, so I do frequent. Uh. The craft store often.
5:24 Caleb Hammer? Uh huh. Why? Well, how much? Like, what are we talking? How far are you going? Like, what does this look like?
5:31 Speaker 03 So probably. Four, like maybe once a week. I stop at the craft store. Four or five times a month or so.
5:42 Caleb Hammer? And what else?
5:44 Speaker 03 Um. Hmm. I think that's, I mean. I know I spend a lot.
5:50 Caleb Hammer? I see him here a ton of Amazon as well.
5:54 Speaker 03 Oh.
5:55 Caleb Hammer? Uh huh.
5:56 Speaker 03 I do. So I get. Um. My cat food, my cat litter. My toilet paper and my laundry detergent on subscribe and save. So those are the majority of my Amazon purchases.
6:13 Caleb Hammer? So Amazon. Got miscellaneous bullshit in this here pile that I have here. Have I looked at your purchases? No, but we have the math miscellaneous bullshit. Also, fees, and I'm gonna need to see those fucking fees and then going out to eat. So.
6:27 Speaker 03 Yep.
6:27 Caleb Hammer? I wanna see where you assess yourself before we go into this world.
6:32 Speaker 03 Okay.
6:32 Caleb Hammer? This is your income.
6:35 Speaker 03 Okay.
6:35 Caleb Hammer? This is your monthly income.
6:38 Speaker 03 Okay.
6:39 Caleb Hammer? Assess in three different piles what you think you spent on going out to eat.
6:45 Speaker 03 Okay.
6:45 Caleb Hammer? Miscellaneous bullshit.
6:48 Speaker 03 Okay.
6:48 Caleb Hammer? Just the extra thing. It could be video games, whatever. It's just the extra miscellaneous bullshit.
6:52 Speaker 03 Yep.
6:52 Caleb Hammer? And then fees. Fees alone.
6:55 Speaker 03 Okay.
6:56 Caleb Hammer? Okay?
6:56 Speaker 03 Okay.
6:59 Speaker 03 So.
7:01 Caleb Hammer? That's your total income.
7:02 Speaker 03 Okay. Six hundred eating out.
7:06 Caleb Hammer? The fuck six hundred? That's insane for your income.
7:09 Speaker 03 Yes.
7:09 Caleb Hammer? What's six hundred be?
7:12 Speaker 03 Um, I think I didn't really grocery shop for the entire month of
7:16 Caleb Hammer? Entire month?
7:17 Speaker 03 Yes, I think I went to the grocery store maybe like two times.
7:20 Caleb Hammer? Good.
7:21 Speaker 03 Probably one ten in fees.
7:28 Caleb Hammer? The kind of fees do we have going on? This is insane.
7:33 Speaker 03 What was the last one?
7:34 Caleb Hammer? Misland is bullsh. All the extra stuff that just doesn't matter.
7:39 Speaker 03 I'm gonna say about.
7:43 Caleb Hammer? I'm being told they're overdraft on late fees, by the way.
7:45 Speaker 03 They are.
7:46 Caleb Hammer? How much is that?
7:47 Speaker 03 Like one eighty.
7:49 Caleb Hammer? One eighty, give. So this is what you think you have left?
7:53 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
7:53 Caleb Hammer? So why would you have debt with this much left? How much goes to your rent? Let me see the rent. I don't see how much you think you have left, based on your assessment of your financial situation. And why wouldn't be going towards that? Why would this fee pile exist? Fee pile exists.
8:13 Speaker 03 I don't think there's enough bills.
8:16 Caleb Hammer? Well, that's not a good sign, is it?
8:20 Speaker 03 Five.
8:20 Caleb Hammer? How could we have been running out? This is your income.
8:26 Speaker 03 Seven.
8:27 Caleb Hammer? Are you seeing a problem?
8:28 Speaker 03 Yep. Eight.
8:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, there's, yeah, um.
8:35 Caleb Hammer? Okay. So how much did you say this pile right here is going out to you? How much did you say this is?
8:42 Speaker 03 Probably six hundred.
8:43 Caleb Hammer? So you put six hundred dollars here? Alright.
8:50 Caleb Hammer? Eight hundred fifty nine dollars.
8:52 Speaker 03 Oof.
8:52 Caleb Hammer? Eight hundred fucking fifty nine dollars when you're not surviving, you don't have enough money anywhere.
8:59 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:59 Caleb Hammer? How much is this, your fee pile? What did you put? Late fees, overdraft fees, what you put?
9:06 Speaker 03 Hundred and ten.
9:08 Caleb Hammer? Hundred eighty two.
9:10 Speaker 03 Oh.
9:10 Caleb Hammer? Here's your miscellaneous bull. What did you put?
9:13 Speaker 03 One eighty.
9:14 Caleb Hammer? Five ninety five.
9:16 Speaker 03 Oh, God.
9:17 Caleb Hammer? How the are you surviving? How are you here? How have you made it long enough to even sit across from us? How have you like made it? How have you done this?
9:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, the math doesn't really math.
9:33 Caleb Hammer? The math is not math.
9:35 Speaker 03 The math is not mathing there.
9:39 Caleb Hammer? How have you made it this far? I am genuinely curious.
9:44 Speaker 03 I don't know.
9:44 Caleb Hammer? So what is going on in your life then? Give us a little backstory and we are gonna dive in to this. What is going on in your life?
9:53 Speaker 03 I have just moved.
9:57 Speaker 03 And I currently have a lease on a house that I'm not living in with my ex fiance.
10:10 Speaker 03 But that's a little complicated because his boss is paying all the bills for the house. Because he had to move to San Antonio.
10:20 Caleb Hammer? What the fuck? And his boss, okay, okay, so what's your situation specifically in this?
10:24 Speaker 03 So me, I had to kind of move out of the house pretty quickly. Um, because the realtors were wanting to start showing it. And get someone in there so they could take over the lease.
10:38 Caleb Hammer? Ex fiance, how long were you guys together?
10:40 Speaker 03 We were together for just about three years.
10:44 Caleb Hammer? What happened?
10:45 Speaker 03 Um.
10:47 Caleb Hammer? Fiance, it means we got pretty damn far.
10:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, so I think ultimately, um, we just were not very compatible. Um, he, I think, wasn't showing me love in the way that I necessarily
11:02 Caleb Hammer? Wasn't showing you love?
11:03 Speaker 03 Wanted to be shown love.
11:05 Caleb Hammer? How'd you want to be shown love that he wasn't doing?
11:07 Speaker 03 So it was a lot of like intimacy issues.
11:12 Caleb Hammer? What, it wasn't diddling?
11:14 Speaker 03 Yeah. And there, and there were, um, you know, I suggested that we go to therapy together. Um, and he kind of refused every time to kind of deal with those issues.
11:26 Caleb Hammer? Well, obviously, we're not gonna make it if he's willing to ref- if he's obviously not willing to even try.
11:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, so I eventually kind of, it was a few months or really, it was a few years of us not being intimate. Which is
11:39 Caleb Hammer? A few years, wait, of not, you mean not once in a few years? Well, hold on, you said you guys were together for three years.
11:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:46 Caleb Hammer? What?
11:47 Speaker 03 He um.
11:48 Caleb Hammer? Hold on.
11:50 Speaker 03 He had.
11:50 Caleb Hammer? How does that look like?
11:51 Speaker 03 So.
11:52 Caleb Hammer? Sorry, I guess that's personal, but.
11:53 Speaker 03 So he um had a slight addiction?
11:58 Caleb Hammer? Oh.
11:59 Speaker 03 And so.
12:01 Caleb Hammer? But and wouldn't go to therapy even though he had addiction to the goon?
12:04 Speaker 03 Yes.
12:05 Caleb Hammer? The prime goon?
12:06 Speaker 03 Yep. So eventually after.
12:09 Caleb Hammer? Years of not being together as a couple?
12:12 Speaker 03 Yeah, so kind of after after begging for things to change for, you know, months, years.
12:17 Caleb Hammer? What did that look like? How was the communication on this?
12:19 Speaker 03 Um, not great.
12:21 Caleb Hammer? The reason all this matters, by the way, is because apparently, according to you, you started this off and I'm asking what's going on. You're saying you got by the situation ending. So, yeah.
12:30 Speaker 03 Yeah, so um, really, it, I think it, the communication was not great. Um, because he's a very like avoidant person. Um, I think our like attachment styles are different. So I have a very like anxious attachment style where I need a lot of attention and kind of I need reassurance in a relationship.
12:51 Caleb Hammer? Yeah.
12:52 Speaker 03 And he's very like anxious, avoidant, where he doesn't want to have conversations. He doesn't want to um, talk about things. If we would have an argument, it would be kind of like I was talking the whole time and he was just listening and I would give him the opportunity to speak up or if he needed, you know, a an hour to kind of get his thoughts together, I would come back and be like, hey, you know, do you want to continue this conversation and give me your opinion? But he would never give that to me. It was always just me talking at him and him just never really responding. Um, I think when I broke up with him, he probably said a total of like twenty words to me in the whole entire like breakup conversation.
13:31 Caleb Hammer? But you are the one that pulled the trigger.
13:32 Speaker 03 Yes, I'm the one who decided to end things.
13:35 Caleb Hammer? Completely in uh, impact your life like that so much.
13:38 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:38 Caleb Hammer? Were you expecting it to move so quick? This is crazy.
13:40 Speaker 03 So we actually broke up in April of twenty twenty four and we were living together until December of last year. So we were living in the same house for six months. What we decided was we were just gonna cohabitate and live together and just kind of deal with it until our lease ended, which looked like him sleeping on the couch for all those months. Um.
14:03 Caleb Hammer? So you would just catch him in the goon?
14:05 Speaker 03 No, because you would do that in his office in hi- in his own private room.
14:09 Caleb Hammer? Walk away?
14:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, so. Um, so then his, his boss wanted him to move to San Antonio.
14:17 Caleb Hammer? Yeah.
14:18 Speaker 03 Um, cause his job has a location here in Austin and in San Antonio. And his boss wanted him to be the like, uh, store manager or whatever at the San Antonio store. But he was like, I'm not going to drive two hours every single day to go to work. And so his boss said that he would cover our house bills until either the rental company finds someone else to live there.
14:42 Caleb Hammer? Uh huh.
14:43 Speaker 03 Or until, um, the lease ends in March. So we're at the point where the rental company hasn't found anyone yet. So we're still.
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16:24 Speaker 03 Sorry.
16:24 Caleb Hammer? Five seconds.
16:25 Speaker 03 It's gone now.
16:26 Caleb Hammer? Focus on your crunch. Okay, so you're on your own now. You have this living situation, but you're seeing this whole pile started from there.
16:33 Speaker 03 Um.
16:33 Caleb Hammer? Which is a sad situation of which, of course, I sympathize with, and you couldn't make the relationship work out. Okay, that sucks. I get it. But this stems from that?
16:43 Speaker 03 I think a lot of the like, spending specifically in December kind of stems from that.
16:48 Caleb Hammer? And if I dig through this and I search that out, right now, you're positioning yourself as the victim of life right now, which for many people is correct, and maybe for you it is, but is the paperwork that is in front of me going to confirm that?
17:02 Speaker 03 I think a lot of it.
17:03 Caleb Hammer? Cause if not, I'm gonna be pissed. Cause people who victimize themselves but are not, kind of disgusting.
17:08 Speaker 03 I don't necessarily think I'm the victim in this scenario.
17:11 Caleb Hammer? Okay, well, so far, the whole story has been about.
17:14 Speaker 03 Well, I mean.
17:14 Caleb Hammer? The breakup. Wow, you know, which does suck again. And if that is the whole thing, then you have my sympathy full on. I've just seen so many people try to use this to try to get out of things.
17:24 Speaker 03 I don't necessarily think I'm the victim here. I think that it's just, it was an unfortunate timing that I had to move out quickly.
17:31 Caleb Hammer? Six months ago. Okay, so that it ended back then. Okay.
17:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
17:37 Caleb Hammer? How's dating going?
17:38 Speaker 03 Um, so I, I did, uh, I decided to come here because I saw you unhinged six months ago.
17:52 Speaker 03 No, no, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I did see you unhinged six months ago, but that's not why I decided to come here.
17:57 Caleb Hammer? Uh huh. How was my profile?
17:59 Speaker 03 I mean, I swiped, right?
18:04 Speaker 03 Yeah. I can't remember. It was a long time ago.
18:06 Caleb Hammer? Oh.
18:07 Speaker 03 Um, uh, but, um, so I feel like with the income that I make.
18:14 Caleb Hammer? I'm almost as red as you. I'm embarrassed.
18:17 Speaker 03 Hey, okay. Listen, I do, I do get a little red. I do get a little red.
18:22 Caleb Hammer? I know, you're nervous. You just embarrassed me.
18:24 Speaker 03 Uh, I'm sorry. Uh, so.
18:26 Caleb Hammer? What do you think your finances are today? Zero to 10, zero being the absolute worst, 10 being the absolute best?
18:32 Speaker 03 I think I'm at a one.
18:34 Caleb Hammer? Okay. Well, self-assess pretty reasonable for what it's worth. Obviously, every spending category we just had you lay out. That was all bold.
18:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
18:43 Caleb Hammer? We thought was less. So, download the simpler budget app. This guy is Tasty Mug right here. Download that app.
18:49 Speaker 03 Okay.
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18:55 Speaker 03 I actually did download it.
18:56 Caleb Hammer? Good. Well, now you get, now you get it for free forever because you're a guest. So, um, if you guys want your hammer financial score, that is free. Link in the description below. And if you want to be on the show and come on. And what, what, I like to ask guests sometimes just because there's weird people online. That's, I don't know, whatever. Um, uh, how are, are you fully aware that I'm gonna meme on you?
19:17 Speaker 03 Yes.
19:18 Caleb Hammer? That there's gonna be a silly little thumbnail and I'm gonna beat you up a little.
19:22 Speaker 03 Yep.
19:22 Caleb Hammer? Okay.
19:22 Speaker 03 I'm aware.
19:23 Caleb Hammer? And are you a real person or a paid actor?
19:25 Speaker 03 I'm real.
19:26 Caleb Hammer? And I don't know why I have to even fucking do this, but there's some weirdos out there. So, the internet's fucking crazy. So, if you want to come on the show, come down to Austin. We'll let you fully aware of what you're getting into and we'll have a good time. Go to Calebhammer.com slash apply. All right. We got some debt.
19:44 Speaker 03 Yes.
19:45 Caleb Hammer? What is this? What, what am I looking at? I don't even know. What's the brand here?
19:51 Speaker 03 Um.
19:52 Caleb Hammer? What, what the fuck is this? Tell me what debt you, you have.
19:57 Caleb Hammer? You need to look closer than an article.
20:00 Speaker 03 Oh, this is, um, like a, um, uplift or upstart. This is an upstart loan.
20:08 Caleb Hammer? For why? What are you doing?
20:09 Speaker 03 Um, so I took that out.
20:11 Caleb Hammer? Twenty six point nine three percent interest?
20:13 Speaker 03 Yes.
20:13 Caleb Hammer? Upstart?
20:14 Speaker 03 Yes, I'm pretty sure that's, I have two upstart and I have one uplift. That's one of the upstart ones.
20:19 Caleb Hammer? Okay. Upstart one then. We are at two thousand nine hundred seventy six dollars and ninety three cents with a minimum monthly payment of.
20:29 Speaker 03 One.
20:29 Caleb Hammer? No, no, no. Wait. No, no, no. That is not the balance. Hold on. Where's the current balance? Because.
20:33 Speaker 03 Current balance, I think.
20:34 Caleb Hammer? No, no, no.
20:36 Speaker 03 Twenty seventy six?
20:39 Speaker 03 At the top?
20:40 Caleb Hammer? Ah, $2,076 with a minimum monthly
20:47 Speaker 03 109.
20:49 Caleb Hammer? Payment of 109. 109, okay.
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21:10 Caleb Hammer? Get this out, what is this for?
21:12 Speaker 03 I took that out when my ex fiance and I were moving from an apartment to a house.
21:20 Caleb Hammer? What was your guys' work situation? Couldn't afford to move?
21:24 Caleb Hammer? For what? What was your guys' life looking like? If you couldn't afford, you couldn't afford to move, I'm not gonna judge that, but that's a different situation. What did your life look like?
21:31 Speaker 03 So, we were in an apartment and they were gonna raise our rent from 1,300 to 1,800. And so we decided to just get a house for that same amount of rent, basically.
21:43 Caleb Hammer? What did you guys' life look like?
21:45 Speaker 03 Um, I was making less money than I am now.
21:49 Caleb Hammer? What were you making? Oh my gosh.
21:51 Speaker 03 I was making probably around 2,800.
21:55 Caleb Hammer? And what did he make?
21:57 Caleb Hammer? Best guess, cuz you weren't-
21:59 Speaker 03 Probably, probably like 40,000 a year. Or something, something around that.
22:04 Caleb Hammer? So what, our financial situation, we guys living on the edge? What were we doing? You didn't have enough money so you completely financed the move? What was the move? Why didn't you just pack up stuff? Where was the move to? Same town?
22:13 Speaker 03 We moved from Austin to Leander.
22:15 Caleb Hammer? Okay, why didn't you pack up a U-Haul?
22:17 Speaker 03 So-
22:18 Caleb Hammer? What is this? Was this movers? It's more expensive than any of the moves I've ever done.
22:22 Speaker 03 We paid for movers.
22:24 Caleb Hammer? Why? In what world could you guys get movers if you were living on the edge of existence?
22:28 Speaker 03 I can't, like, I'm not very strong and we have a lot of-
22:30 Caleb Hammer? Can work out. And guess what? Neither am I, I'm a little bitch, look at me. But guess what?
22:35 Speaker 03 And-
22:35 Caleb Hammer? I've moved, helped my friends move, that's what we do! Did you guys have friends?
22:40 Speaker 03 He, so, we actually- Yeah, so he moved from Ohio to here.
22:46 Caleb Hammer? Oh guys, people in Ohio can't lift up boxes.
22:48 Speaker 03 To move in with me, so he didn't have any, he doesn't have any friends here. And so, there was no one, like, all my friends are-
22:55 Caleb Hammer? You guys can still move yourself and I'm okay with movers if you can afford it, but you had to borrow movers that are 26% interest loan. That's obviously the problem that I'm making here. That is what I am digging into. I'm not digging into the fact that you took movers. That's not it. You borrowed movers at 26% interest.
23:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
23:10 Caleb Hammer? Well, living on the edge.
23:13 Speaker 03 We couldn't afford to move. So, but we needed to move.
23:15 Caleb Hammer? I think you could have with a U-Haul and movement.
23:19 Speaker 03 That's probably true.
23:19 Caleb Hammer? And guess what? If you can't pick up boxes, maybe that's telling you something about your health unless you have something clinically diagnosed.
23:24 Speaker 03 Well, it's not so much the boxes. It's like the 500 pound dresser that I have.
23:29 Caleb Hammer? Yeah, that part's hard.
23:30 Speaker 03 Really like, and we lived, we lived on like a second floor apartment. So I can't like.
23:35 Caleb Hammer? Yeah, that part gets hard. Maybe in the end you get a couple move, you, maybe you get a couple labors or something, you know, just get some, like an app like Thumbtack or something, just to move down into the truck, but not the whole moving process because it's so expensive. And they have hour minimums and their gas bills are crazy. There's so many alternatives here and listen, again, I am not against it. You borrowed it at 26% interest. Listen, here's the thing. Here's the thing. You borrowed 3,588. The finance charge on it is 2,976,093 cents. Total payments, $6,564 on 3,588 that you borrowed. So that's what you paid for your move. A move with someone that you're not with anymore in a place you don't live in.
24:19 Caleb Hammer? You are paying $109 a month for that to pay a total of almost $7,000 to borrow 3,500 for a move that is done with someone you don't live with in a place you don't live.
24:31 Speaker 03 Yes.
24:31 Caleb Hammer? Uh huh. So that's what happens when we just defer our entire life and every kind of purchase.
24:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, this is the first um, kind of loan like this that I have ever taken out.
24:42 Caleb Hammer? If this was the first, so this just started just a fucking train wreck of a life and you guys weren't even separated. I thought you said this all started when you guys separated. What are you talking about? You guys were completely together here. Were you fiancés at the time?
24:53 Speaker 03 No, we were just dating.
24:54 Caleb Hammer? See, we didn't even get to fiance status and we're taking out a fucking like moving payday loan. Come on.
25:00 Speaker 03 Yeah, I um.
25:04 Speaker 03 That's a big one and I I think I didn't realize how much uh I would actually end up paying at the end of it like all said and done after it's completely paid off. I don't know that it just whenever I took out the loan.
25:22 Caleb Hammer? Statement right here.
25:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:24 Caleb Hammer? You just got from me. You could have looked at it at any time.
25:27 Speaker 03 But I mean, I did look at it whenever I printed it out, but this one's on autopay. So I just like kind of let it let it take out.
25:36 Caleb Hammer? Two six percent interest auto pay nine hundred dollars going out to eat and yet we could make nine of these payments on this card. The
25:48 Caleb Hammer? aren't you trying to move on? I mean, this is kind of a relationship anyway, like are you even moving on? The question goes financially, you're not. In fact, you're getting in a worse position.
25:59 Speaker 03 There are a lot of other things that are still attached financially too. That is like
26:03 Caleb Hammer? With him?
26:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, like we like we're on the same car insurance. I have his Apple watch on my Verizon bill.
26:11 Caleb Hammer? You guys break up again? Sorry, my memory is bad.
26:14 Speaker 03 In April.
26:14 Caleb Hammer? Okay, how are you still on car insurance together? Stop smacking your lips.
26:20 Speaker 03 Sorry.
26:21 Caleb Hammer? It's okay. I just it's loud. People are listening to you. Me.
26:29 Caleb Hammer? This is crazy. Oh, plus the finance fee to kick it off for three hundred twelve dollars.
26:33 Speaker 03 I think that was included in.
26:37 Speaker 03 Like, I think they gave me.
26:39 Caleb Hammer? Gave you. It got added on to the debt.
26:41 Speaker 03 Yeah. Like, I think they just took that out.
26:44 Caleb Hammer? For that out of the pocket. And at the moment, you thought that's what I was talking about?
26:47 Speaker 03 No, no, no. I mean, they gave me the money after they took out that fee.
26:51 Caleb Hammer? Yeah. Well, yeah, because the principal amount became three thousand nine hundred because of the money of the three twelve.
26:56 Speaker 03 Okay, I see.
26:57 Caleb Hammer? What? Wait, what did you think happened?
26:59 Speaker 03 That they, when they paid out to my bank account, they gave me the money that I had taken the loan out for, but they subtracted that
27:08 Caleb Hammer? No.
27:08 Speaker 03 three hundred and twelve dollar fee.
27:10 Caleb Hammer? No.
27:11 Speaker 03 Oh.
27:12 Caleb Hammer? Nope, it was added to your principal.
27:13 Speaker 03 Honestly, that was so long ago. I don't remember.
27:16 Caleb Hammer? Yet we still have it even at twenty six percent interest. Listen, it's not like, uh, the income you make isn't like horrendous, but it's also not like woo woo for Austin. You're kind of, you're in a fine area.
27:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:27 Caleb Hammer? You're in a fine area, but if you dig yourself too hole, uh, too far into a hole, you're not given the flexibility in your situation.
27:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:36 Caleb Hammer? You make a fine income for the area, but you don't have the wiggle room to fuck so dramatically. And you did this years ago?
27:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:43 Caleb Hammer? And the fuck up got worse?
27:47 Speaker 03 Yep.
27:48 Caleb Hammer? Okay. Well, this is a document. This is just printed off things and you owe to your fucking mom for moving expenses, moving expenses again?
27:57 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
27:57 Caleb Hammer? Extra on top of what you already did or you couldn't, you didn't have enough for you through your borrowing?
28:02 Speaker 03 That was.
28:02 Caleb Hammer? Or is this an other move? Are we borrowing for every move that's ever been moved in the history of the world? Do you fucking borrow when you move from your apartment to your car to work every day? What are you borrowing? What move are you borrowing for? You move for every movement, every step you take, you borrow?
28:16 Speaker 03 That was, um, from twenty twenty one.
28:19 Caleb Hammer? Yeah. Oh, the past one you're saying, cause you're pointing over there.
28:22 Speaker 03 This one is from, uh, whenever I just moved in December.
28:27 Caleb Hammer? Last month, last month, last month.
28:31 Speaker 03 Yes.
28:33 Speaker 03 Um, so.
28:33 Caleb Hammer? We did not learn our lesson in two years. So you're on a repeated pattern. You're on a repeated fucking pattern.
28:40 Speaker 03 So whenever I, um, was applying for apartments, I, um, was having a hard time because I had a, I had a seven hundred and fifty dollar collection from the old apartment that we used to live at.
28:57 Caleb Hammer? Borrowed to move to you.
29:00 Speaker 03 From, yes.
29:01 Caleb Hammer? Oh, say.
29:04 Speaker 03 I had to pay that.
29:05 Caleb Hammer? Oh, there is not a thing you do in the world of living that you did not borrow for or just fuck up. I am learning. I am learning. It's happening. The learning's being happening.
29:16 Speaker 03 So, so I had to pay that before they would accept me, before they would accept my application.
29:22 Caleb Hammer? Fair enough.
29:23 Speaker 03 I paid that, um, and then whenever I moved in, because I had that past collection on my record, they charged me like an extra deposit to move in. So whenever I moved into the apartment, because it was on my record and, and they were like, it's one of those things where if you move into an apartment, normally the. Deposit is like five hundred dollars or something, but because I had that pass seven hundred and fifty on my whatever.
29:54 Caleb Hammer? Yeah.
29:55 Speaker 03 Um, they charged me fifteen hundred for a deposit.
29:59 Caleb Hammer? Oh, so this wasn't even the expenses of moving. This was just you putting a deposit down?
30:04 Speaker 03 Into the apartment, yes.
30:05 Caleb Hammer? You borrowed from your mom for a deposit?
30:07 Speaker 03 No, no, no, no, no. I paid that. And then I also had to pay twelve hundred the rent because I moved in past the twentieth of the month. So whenever I moved in, I owed like twenty seven hundred dollars to the new apartment.
30:22 Caleb Hammer? Something tells me we didn't have an emergency fund.
30:25 Speaker 03 That is correct. So I didn't have enough to, um, move and I, again.
30:32 Caleb Hammer? What, did you use movers?
30:33 Speaker 03 Yes.
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31:34 Caleb Hammer? Do, well, I, this is me. Can you guys let me know in the comments, is this just me? Like every, like, I used movers last time, but every fucking move with me and my friends, we all just pick up shit and move. Like, we pick up stuff. Do people not pick things up anymore? And I get that little, I get like a big dresser. I get that. And if you don't have an established friend group that can help you, I do get that part and maybe I'd get some people off thumbtack or something, but my god.
31:59 Speaker 03 So I got movers because I didn't.
32:01 Caleb Hammer? From your mom. I don't think we're getting movers.
32:03 Speaker 03 I wanted to make sure I got someone who had insurance. I wasn't sure.
32:07 Caleb Hammer? But if you moved it yourself, your insurance would be you not fucking up.
32:10 Speaker 03 Well, yeah. But that's why I wanted someone else to move it because I don't want to break my stuff. And.
32:15 Caleb Hammer? No, you mean.
32:16 Speaker 03 I don't want my friends to break my stuff.
32:18 Caleb Hammer? You didn't want to, you have friends.
32:20 Speaker 03 Yeah, but, I mean.
32:23 Caleb Hammer? They're incapable of moving as well?
32:26 Speaker 03 It was, I moved two days before Christmas, so I.
32:31 Caleb Hammer? Friends wouldn't help you?
32:32 Speaker 03 Probably not.
32:34 Caleb Hammer? Doesn't sound like good friends.
32:35 Speaker 03 One of them was out of town and then the other one.
32:37 Caleb Hammer? Town makes sense, but.
32:39 Speaker 03 But, I, I moved to the third floor and I have like the heavy furniture and then I.
32:45 Caleb Hammer? Everyone moves from the third floor that I know because who wants to live on the bottom floor where there's noise above you?
32:51 Speaker 03 And then I own like.
32:51 Caleb Hammer? This is what happens. You're making an excuse for something that I feel like everyone, at least everyone in my life goes through. And guess what? We move each other. I'm so confused. You guys just seem so lazy. I mean, with the way you're eating and the way you're living, I'm not surprised.
33:04 Speaker 03 I just don't think that I can carry all that stuff up three flights of stairs. So.
33:08 Caleb Hammer? Take like thirty trips. Welcome to what the rest of us have done.
33:13 Speaker 03 I own like eight hundred books, so.
33:15 Caleb Hammer? Congratulations.
33:16 Speaker 03 I.
33:17 Caleb Hammer? I'm glad you're well read.
33:18 Speaker 03 I couldn't, um.
33:20 Caleb Hammer? You get to take them to your next place down the stairs.
33:23 Speaker 03 I couldn't bring those boxes up, so I needed help.
33:25 Caleb Hammer? You would use, but I do not know how this works. Do you not know the next step? What's the next step in that?
33:32 Caleb Hammer? What's the next step in that? Help me here. What's the next step?
33:35 Speaker 03 In what?
33:36 Caleb Hammer? You couldn't, uh, take the book? You couldn't, you couldn't take the boxes of the books. What's the next step in there?
33:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, so I hired movers.
33:42 Caleb Hammer? No, no, no. What would be the next step to avoid movers?
33:46 Caleb Hammer? What would it be?
33:46 Speaker 03 Um, I guess carry it myself.
33:48 Caleb Hammer? Well, you said you couldn't.
33:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, I can't.
33:50 Caleb Hammer? So what's the next step?
33:51 Speaker 03 Hire someone else?
33:53 Caleb Hammer? Oh my goodness. You go from I can't do something to immediately hire someone when I have no money. Are you fucking kidding me? Is there no problem solving techniques that you are capable of in life? What would be next? Use it.
34:05 Speaker 03 Friends?
34:06 Caleb Hammer? No, we're, we're getting closer. What would be out of the solution? Cause your friends weren't there. It was Christmas.
34:11 Speaker 03 Uh.
34:12 Caleb Hammer? Another question. Come on. Oh, big.
34:14 Speaker 03 I don't know.
34:15 Caleb Hammer? Big. Big thinking we're doing big thinking. Oh my goodness, you can get there. I believe you.
34:21 Speaker 03 I can't.
34:21 Caleb Hammer? Oh, go, go.
34:22 Speaker 03 I can't get there.
34:23 Caleb Hammer? Want you to just put in a little bit of effort, a little bit of effort, pretend like you actually did something.
34:27 Speaker 03 Well, you mentioned the thumbtack.
34:29 Caleb Hammer? Huh?
34:29 Speaker 03 You mentioned the thumbtack.
34:30 Caleb Hammer? No, no, no, we talked about not hiring people for this. Come on, come on.
34:33 Speaker 03 Don't move. I don't know.
34:35 Caleb Hammer? How have you survived? Uh, maybe if you can't move the box because it's too heavy, take half the books out and put them in another box and then you can take them down in two trips. What? How are you so fucking surprised?
34:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
34:52 Caleb Hammer? How the fuck could you not just get there on your own?
34:57 Caleb Hammer? I'm sorry, I am learning throughout this and it's okay. We lived in a privileged position in this country where we just get to relax. But guess what? You're allowed to put in a little bit of work and manual effort once a year. I promise you won't die. In fact, it actually might be good for you.
35:17 Caleb Hammer? This looks like another upset if I'm not, well, hold on. Okay. So you owe fifteen hundred to your mom to pay for the movers because you couldn't take out half books and put them in a different box. Separate the items. Do you pay her a minimum monthly? Where are we with this?
35:30 Speaker 03 Um, she told me to start paying her in February, just whenever I can.
35:34 Caleb Hammer? What?
35:35 Speaker 03 The, just whatever. We didn't really, no, we didn't really go over a number. She just kind of said, you know, send a few hundred.
35:44 Caleb Hammer? Few hundred?
35:44 Speaker 03 Like two hundred.
35:46 Caleb Hammer? Two hundred?
35:46 Speaker 03 A month or so.
35:47 Caleb Hammer? Is what she suggested?
35:49 Speaker 03 It was, we didn't really get a concrete number. It was, we were just kind of like talking about.
35:53 Caleb Hammer? Feel? What vibes did you get?
35:56 Speaker 03 Um.
35:57 Caleb Hammer? A little vibe of numberage.
35:59 Speaker 03 I think two hundred a month is good.
36:01 Caleb Hammer? Okay, let's put that on. Two hundred. So you think she would expect that? You think if you gave fifty, she'd be like, oh, what the?
36:07 Speaker 03 No.
36:09 Speaker 03 I think because we didn't talk about a specific number, she
36:13 Caleb Hammer? Why have you not talked about it?
36:15 Speaker 03 Cause I haven't gotten paid in February yet.
36:17 Caleb Hammer? Well, what's I'm talking about what the how the how the that required to have a conversation?
36:23 Speaker 03 Well, because she told me to start paying her in February. So I figured whenever I get paid.
36:27 Caleb Hammer? About the conversation of when to start paying.
36:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
36:29 Caleb Hammer? I'm asking why you guys didn't come to a number? You knew your income, whether or not the, do you only know your income based on what hits that last week? Like you don't know your income right now until you see your paycheck for this next paycheck.
36:41 Speaker 03 No, I do. It's the same amount.
36:42 Caleb Hammer? Then what the why does it matter to come up with a number when I get paid in February? If it's the same damn income, I'm again, the logic here is broken beyond.
36:51 Speaker 03 I guess we just didn't talk about it. So
36:53 Caleb Hammer? I'm asking why though?
36:55 Speaker 03 Um, I think because she just wants me to be able to pay her back whenever I can.
37:00 Caleb Hammer? Okay.
37:00 Speaker 03 Um, within my means and so
37:02 Caleb Hammer? How often has she supported you financially throughout these twenty seven years? Well, okay, obviously before eighteen makes sense, but go on.
37:09 Speaker 03 Um, it's not a lot normally. Um, the only time I have usually asked for money is like if I can't afford to get like a medication or something. Um, like if my insulin is really expensive at the beginning of the year, I
37:25 Caleb Hammer? Are you on Ozempic?
37:26 Speaker 03 No, insulin.
37:27 Caleb Hammer? Are you on Ozempic?
37:28 Speaker 03 No, I'm not.
37:28 Caleb Hammer? Okay, how much is insulin?
37:31 Speaker 03 So at the beginning of the year, it's pretty expensive because it's I have a high deductible. So probably twelve hundred.
37:38 Caleb Hammer? But if we get ourselves to a healthier weight, you won't have to pay for insulin. Unless are you type one?
37:43 Speaker 03 True. I'm type two, but
37:45 Caleb Hammer? Okay.
37:46 Speaker 03 I kind of treat it the same as type one. So like whenever I eat, I take insulin.
37:50 Caleb Hammer? Why? When you can get rid of type two?
37:52 Speaker 03 I have a follow up appointment with my endocrinologist and I'm pretty sure I've had diabetes since I was a teenager. And so I want to get a blood test done to see if I'm actually type two because
38:04 Caleb Hammer? Oh, this has not been confirmed.
38:05 Speaker 03 So they have told me that I'm type two, but I, I think it's a like, oh, you're overweight. So you're naturally just type two kind of thing.
38:13 Caleb Hammer? Yeah, that's how it works.
38:13 Speaker 03 Um, and so there are type one diabetics who are overweight and so
38:18 Caleb Hammer? Yes. So they didn't test for type one?
38:19 Speaker 03 No, no, no. I've never been tested for type one. It's like a specific blood test that you have to
38:23 Caleb Hammer? Yes.
38:24 Speaker 03 Ask for.
38:25 Caleb Hammer? Yeah, do it, do it. If you're type two though, I mean, if this, this is, uh, it's easier to easier being said to, here's the fact. You're obese? I'm obese. We're obese pals. High five. Woo, woo, woo. I'm lucky I don't have diabetes. But, you know, the thing is, it is a bit more in our control than many other things in life.
38:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
38:44 Caleb Hammer? If that is a brutally expensive.
38:46 Speaker 03 I used to weigh like three hundred and fifteen pounds, so it's like, I.
38:49 Caleb Hammer? You ga- you're telling me that number without me knowing how much you weigh now, so I had.
38:52 Speaker 03 I weigh like two fifteen.
38:53 Caleb Hammer? Okay, then, good job. Uh, but, all I'm saying is like, if we can't afford insulin, and I get it, the insul- insulation, the insulin situation sometimes can be.
39:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
39:04 Caleb Hammer? If we're having to borrow from our mom, though, maybe we take control of the one thing we can.
39:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
39:09 Caleb Hammer? In, in that situation. If you're type one, less control, right?
39:12 Speaker 03 So, I've, I've been doing something lately to.
39:15 Caleb Hammer? Someone's gonna say out there that I'm fat shaming when we're literally just talking about basic.
39:19 Speaker 03 Well, I'm fat, so I mean, it's whatever.
39:20 Caleb Hammer? And me too.
39:21 Speaker 03 Um, I've been doing something lately, though, that I'm hoping will help, and I'm using my, uh, HSA that I put in every month.
39:30 Caleb Hammer? Yeah.
39:31 Speaker 03 To pay for my therapy.
39:32 Caleb Hammer? You put into HSA, which I get for tax advantage, uh, that makes sense, but again, even with the tax advantages you're getting, is it really competing against like a, again, this new upstart loan's at thirty five point six eight.
39:44 Speaker 03 I mean.
39:45 Caleb Hammer? Six eight percent, like I'm.
39:46 Speaker 03 Maybe not, but because I have these medical expenses.
39:48 Caleb Hammer? Yeah.
39:49 Speaker 03 I figure it's probably better to do that, because.
39:52 Caleb Hammer? I guess if the money's gonna go to it anyway, I guess, yeah.
39:55 Speaker 03 I've been putting the, the, my therapy, and it goes towards my monthly deductible, or my, my deductible, it goes towards my deductible.
40:02 Caleb Hammer? Yeah.
40:03 Speaker 03 Um, and so, I've been able to, because I go to therapy every week, kind of build up that deductible, so when I need to get the insulin, it won't cost me twelve hundred dollars all at once, because I'll have met the deductible.
40:15 Caleb Hammer? How many do you have to get the insulin?
40:16 Speaker 03 Um, I have to get it once a month, but I hit my deductible last year, so I was able to get kind of a stockpile, so I have enough to last me.
40:25 Caleb Hammer? So, how have you lost this, well, how long did you lose this weight, and how'd you do it?
40:28 Speaker 03 Um, so, actually, I lost it because I had undiagnosed diabetes for so long, that, um, really rapid weight loss is a symptom of diabetes. And so, um, I probably lost about seventy five of it.
40:43 Caleb Hammer? Could use a little bit of diabetes right now.
40:45 Speaker 03 I probably lost like 75 of it in a two and a half, three month time span. Um, and so this is why I also have an inkling that I might be type one because that is like a symptom of type one that you lose weight really, really rapidly.
41:01 Caleb Hammer? Okay, so get the test.
41:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
41:03 Caleb Hammer? We'll go from there, but if it is a little bit more in your control and that is something that we're brutally struggling to take care of.
41:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
41:09 Caleb Hammer? You know, maybe we take care of the one thing we.
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42:52 Caleb Hammer? So if the thousand dollars you took out, you paid a total of 2,287 dollars. What is that? $138 finance fee at the beginning. What was even in this one? So the last one is moving. If you tell me this is fucking moving again, I'm gonna.
43:07 Speaker 03 No, you're gonna be more mad, actually.
43:09 Caleb Hammer? Kill me now. Go on.
43:11 Speaker 03 So I took that out when my ex and I went on a vacation.
43:17 Caleb Hammer? So it's another debt that's attached to something we did with our ex fiance.
43:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
43:21 Caleb Hammer? Fiance, not even a boyfriend fiance.
43:24 Speaker 03 Yep.
43:25 Caleb Hammer? And this is attached to them, a whole big part of our entire life that we are still.
43:32 Speaker 03 Yep.
43:32 Caleb Hammer? Did he never pay for things? I'm so confused. Why is this all on you? Vacation, where'd you go? What vacation? You borrowed a 35% interest for a vacation? Oh, there's so many things attached to this.
43:43 Speaker 03 So.
43:44 Caleb Hammer? Say, where'd you guys go for 35%?
43:47 Speaker 03 It was, um, so I actually borrowed that for spending money, but we went on a cruise to Mexico. I already paid for the cruise.
43:57 Caleb Hammer? And yet you haven't paid for the spending yet.
43:59 Speaker 03 No. And so.
44:02 Caleb Hammer? What was this?
44:05 Speaker 03 It was like three weeks before we broke up.
44:07 Caleb Hammer? No fucking.
44:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
44:11 Caleb Hammer? You fucking kidding me?
44:14 Speaker 03 I wish I was kidding.
44:15 Caleb Hammer? That is insane. This situation that is attached to him in the past three weeks before you broke up. Okay.
44:23 Speaker 03 Yeah. So I, I, I used my tax refund to pay for the cruise. Um.
44:28 Caleb Hammer? Oh, my. Okay. Instead of paying off our last moving expense that we were paying minimum monthly. Cruise.
44:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
44:35 Caleb Hammer? You're still paying off the spending and you broke up through. So this was building by then. You broke up three fucking weeks after with your fiance.
44:43 Speaker 03 So I think, I think going on this vacation was kind of like a last resort. Like it. If we're taken out of, if we're taken out of real life and all of the, you know, things that go on in a normal day to day and we're on vacation and we're spending time together, maybe this will fix. The intimacy issue.
45:05 Caleb Hammer? Intimacy. I don't think dude wants to get off the goon and wants the because he sees in Mexico. I don't know.
45:13 Speaker 03 I mean, like, we're in a, we're in a cruise room where, you know, it's, I thought.
45:18 Caleb Hammer? Motion of the ocean?
45:20 Speaker 03 Maybe. It didn't work, though, so.
45:23 Caleb Hammer? Well, because that was a bad plan. I mean, no offense.
45:26 Speaker 03 In hindsight, that was a bad plan.
45:27 Caleb Hammer? Literally owe more on it right now than you financed. Like, the amount you took out is less than you owe on it now. This is fucking crazy, dude.
45:37 Speaker 03 Yes.
45:38 Caleb Hammer? I mean, the payment term is fifty-nine months, six, it's a sixty-month loan for spending money with our ex-fiance that we broke up three weeks, three weeks after. This is.
45:46 Speaker 03 At the time, I thought it, I thought it would fix my relationship.
45:49 Caleb Hammer? I'm so confused. So far, we've, again, at the beginning, you talked about breaking up and getting, like, the house situation is kind of what kicked up, started the situation. We've, we've looked at three debts. Two out of the three happened before you broke up. So I don't know what the fuck you were on about. That's what I was worried about and called out at the beginning.
46:08 Speaker 03 I think we both together were not like, neither of us are good financially at managing our money. And so I think we kind of fed off of each other.
46:20 Speaker 03 In that way, and.
46:23 Caleb Hammer? So now there's a different reason? Okay.
46:26 Speaker 03 Well, I mean.
46:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
46:30 Caleb Hammer? Yeah.
46:31 Speaker 03 Yeah.
46:34 Speaker 03 This one, this one's the one uplift loan. That one has a story as well.
46:41 Caleb Hammer? Oh, good. If it's trying to, or if it's trying to move.
46:48 Caleb Hammer? Like, at that part, okay, you just get into debt for the most literally insignificant things, except for, I get the, the, uh. Well, actually, no, again, you could have been half-packed, you could have stacked the books differently. Way less. All this debt so far, it's not even like.
47:11 Caleb Hammer? We haven't even looked at a credit card. Usually I tell people to use the Fizz card because it's a debit card that builds credit because I know you're always gonna say more credit. So I usually like to say, well, we haven't even looked at that. You're just building up. I see a credit card coming. So I guess.
47:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think that's the last one.
47:24 Caleb Hammer? Do that. Okay, so uplift uplift. We are looking at. Let me see if I can actually read this one. Correct. This one's also a thirty five point nine four percent interest.
47:34 Speaker 03 I think that one has around three hundred or so left.
47:37 Caleb Hammer? Three fifty seven twenty with a minimum payment of.
47:40 Speaker 03 One twenty five.
47:40 Caleb Hammer? One twenty four fifty one. So what is going on here?
47:46 Speaker 03 So in June of twenty twenty four, I went on a work trip to Estonia and um.
47:56 Caleb Hammer? Hold on.
47:57 Speaker 03 Where my company is based out of.
47:58 Caleb Hammer? Estonia? Hold on, wait, oh wait, is that a Balkan, a Balkan?
48:03 Speaker 03 Uh.
48:03 Caleb Hammer? The Balkans?
48:04 Speaker 03 I think so, yeah.
48:05 Caleb Hammer? Okay.
48:05 Speaker 03 Um, it's like right down below Finland.
48:08 Caleb Hammer? Yes.
48:09 Speaker 03 Um, so every, that was all paid for by the company, the whole trip flights.
48:13 Caleb Hammer? Oh.
48:14 Speaker 03 All that is completely paid for.
48:15 Caleb Hammer? Oh, okay.
48:16 Speaker 03 So.
48:17 Caleb Hammer? Um, okay.
48:18 Speaker 03 I went there and um, I I matched with someone on Tinder while I was there.
48:28 Speaker 03 And so.
48:30 Caleb Hammer? Good thing we did not.
48:31 Speaker 03 I was there for two weeks.
48:32 Caleb Hammer? Good thing I did not swipe right. Let me just.
48:34 Speaker 03 And um.
48:35 Caleb Hammer? There for two weeks for for work or the Tinder swipe?
48:38 Speaker 03 For a work, for the work trip.
48:39 Caleb Hammer? Oh, okay.
48:40 Speaker 03 I was there for two weeks and I matched with him about three or four days into the trip. And so the rest of the time when I wasn't working, we were like spending time together, going to like, he was showing me stuff around Estonia and whatever.
48:55 Caleb Hammer? It's like, oh, Carly, I like the way you look American.
49:00 Speaker 03 Not quite, but really close. Um, so.
49:05 Speaker 03 I left and we stepped, we, we kept talking and I decided I was gonna go see him.
49:10 Caleb Hammer? Oh.
49:11 Speaker 03 In September.
49:12 Caleb Hammer? No, fuck off. This last September, obviously, would have been.
49:16 Speaker 03 Yes.
49:16 Caleb Hammer? Unless you're cheating what you were, so, okay.
49:18 Speaker 03 And so I got that from.
49:22 Caleb Hammer? To go see your fucking little Scandinavian.
49:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
49:27 Caleb Hammer? Overly white, never had a tan day in his life.
49:31 Speaker 03 Yep.
49:31 Caleb Hammer? Okay.
49:33 Speaker 03 So that's, that's from the.
49:34 Caleb Hammer? Let me see a picture of this.
49:36 Speaker 03 You wanna see a picture of?
49:37 Caleb Hammer? I wanna see a picture of this.
49:39 Speaker 03 Okay.
49:39 Caleb Hammer? Cause apparently he's worth thirty five point nine four percent interest.
49:42 Speaker 03 Well, he's not because I actually didn't go.
49:46 Caleb Hammer? You bought this and didn't fucking go?
49:48 Speaker 03 So now I have a, I have like an a thousand dollar United credit now, but I canceled the trip and they.
49:55 Caleb Hammer? Why'd you cancel?
49:56 Speaker 03 Well, because.
49:57 Caleb Hammer? If you bought, you borrowed, so you were so close, why'd you, well, why'd you, did you guys break up?
50:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, we broke up, we just.
50:02 Caleb Hammer? Virtually, wait, you guys were together technically?
50:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
50:06 Caleb Hammer? Why, why'd you break up with this one?
50:07 Speaker 03 Well, because we kinda realized that the long distance thing wasn't gonna work. I mean.
50:11 Caleb Hammer? Yeah, Estonia is not close.
50:12 Speaker 03 Yeah, long distance and maybe the same country, okay, but I don't know, the time difference was really hard and like, he didn't really have a job, so I wasn't really interested in that.
50:25 Caleb Hammer? I know the Europeans love it when we shove our insulin and it just gets them going.
50:31 Speaker 03 He did have a like, a belly thing.
50:36 Caleb Hammer? Belly thing.
50:36 Speaker 03 Yeah.
50:37 Caleb Hammer? Just got up in those rolls?
50:38 Speaker 03 He liked the belly, I guess.
50:40 Caleb Hammer? She gets a little sweaty.
50:41 Speaker 03 Okay, I have a picture. Would you like to see?
50:44 Caleb Hammer? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
50:45 Speaker 03 Okay.
50:45 Caleb Hammer? Oh, no, he's a little less neo-Nazi.
50:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, he's, yeah, he's not, he's.
50:50 Caleb Hammer? Well, yeah, like I'm gonna spread communism.
50:53 Speaker 03 I'm, be careful.
50:55 Caleb Hammer? Country forcefully.
50:56 Speaker 03 Swiping.
50:57 Caleb Hammer? It doesn't turn into like fucking.
50:59 Speaker 03 I don't know.
51:00 Caleb Hammer? A stony in each other.
51:01 Speaker 03 I don't know, I don't know, so don't swipe that much.
51:03 Caleb Hammer? Okay, I'm not, sorry, I was, it's a natural thing to swipe with it. Well, I would not wanna see that, uh, oh, okay.
51:12 Caleb Hammer? Sure, the thirty-five point nine four percent man.
51:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, so, um, so we broke up, so I I canceled my trip and, um, and now I I have the United Credit, but
51:27 Speaker 03 I need to use it before like July or something.
51:29 Caleb Hammer? Girl, stop swiping on people and making bad choices.
51:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, I do make bad choices.
51:35 Caleb Hammer? Did you go, can, how many McDouble's did you eat after I swiped left on you?
51:39 Speaker 03 Um, at least two, probably.
51:40 Caleb Hammer? See, that's what I'm saying. It can't.
51:44 Speaker 03 I prefer chicken nuggets, but, you know.
51:46 Caleb Hammer? Dude, the nugs are so.
51:48 Speaker 03 The, I don't really, I'm not really a fan of the mustard on the McDouble, so I I kind of just.
51:52 Caleb Hammer? You don't, you can't say no mustard?
51:54 Speaker 03 I can, but, I don't know, sometimes I want them to put mayonnaise on it, and they put way too much mayonnaise on things at McDonald's.
51:59 Caleb Hammer? Oh my gosh, look at us, rubbing our rolls together. Okay. And, uh, now that.
52:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, my student loans.
52:08 Caleb Hammer? Okay, twenty-one thousand eight hundred seventy-one thousand, when'd you go to school?
52:13 Speaker 03 Um, so, I went from.
52:17 Caleb Hammer? What, you're past two?
52:19 Speaker 03 Yes, that is true.
52:20 Caleb Hammer? Wait, how many, no, no, no, no, your minimum payment is one forty-four forty-nine, but you owe five sixty-five, you're past two four twenty. What the fuck is happening here? How do you possibly, how do you possibly get to go the fuck out to eat? Or go to Estonia to bang a white fucking Estonian guy? I don't even know how to make fun of them. Why do you get to do that? Why do you get to do that if we're past our fucking student loans?
52:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, that one, um, that one was causing me a little anxiety.
52:53 Caleb Hammer? Yeah, that was not an answer to my question. Who the fuck do you think you are going to McD's instead of paying on your student fucking loans?
53:01 Speaker 03 It is less now.
53:02 Caleb Hammer? Huh?
53:03 Speaker 03 I paid like two fifty on it. So now it's a little.
53:08 Caleb Hammer? Well, that's not what you owed! You spend eight hundred going out to eat.
53:15 Speaker 03 Yes.
53:16 Caleb Hammer? How can you be okay with yourself going through that drive through when you owe this bill? And it is fucking holding you back in life. You want independence. You want to move away from this past relationship. You want to separate yourself from the debts that you got when you got him. You want to take control, yet you are incapable of because you can't stop fucking spending money on fast fucking food. In what world does that take priority?
53:44 Speaker 03 It doesn't, but.
53:46 Caleb Hammer? But it does to you. It does every sec-
53:51 Speaker 03 And I think the student loans feel worse because I didn't even finish school, so they feel like they were all for nothing, really.
54:00 Caleb Hammer? Forty percent of people who borrow student loans don't. It's a f- it's a f- statistic, statistic.
54:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
54:07 Caleb Hammer? It's a, it's a f- one. That's why I like, I like, I always talk about course careers. They're my boys. We'll gift you a course career certification. Our audience loves them. Lots of people have used them. Um, but just even if it's not your full career, just to get in and see if you're interested in a subj- subject, like a few hundred dollar investment is so much better than forty-four fucking thousand or twenty-one thousand dollars. If it's worth, I dropped out of school with student loans as well. Like, I get it, but the thing is, I at least pay my damn minimum monthly payments. I go to the McD very clearly, but I don't put it over my student loans.
54:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
54:48 Speaker 03 I think I was just
54:54 Speaker 03 lazy and stressed with moving.
54:56 Caleb Hammer? Lazy and stressed with moving? Did you just say with moving?
55:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
55:01 Caleb Hammer? Did you just tell me you were lazy and stressed with fucking moving?
55:03 Speaker 03 I was.
55:04 Caleb Hammer? Are you bringing this to moving again? We all move. I've moved every literal year except for one. Since I've been eighteen, I'm almost a dead thirty.
55:12 Speaker 03 Well, I have like a month to figure everything out, so I was like, it felt like.
55:15 Caleb Hammer? That's been my entire life. Listen, listen, and the guardians can tell me if I'm wrong here. Maybe you are, that is the more normal situation. Maybe I've just been a little more fucking weird with my moving and had more, but that just sounds horrible to me. And I paid my payments when I moved when I had no money to when I have money. I made my damn payments, even if I was moving.
55:42 Caleb Hammer? Then again, you did have to borrow from mom, thousand five hundred, why, well, nine hundred dollars a month, I'm gonna go out to eat, four hundred dollars a month, I'm listening to these bullshit, so no shit, no, no fucking shit, we're borrowing money from mama.
55:57 Caleb Hammer? Yes.
55:59 Speaker 03 Yeah, so I, um.
56:04 Caleb Hammer? What?
56:04 Speaker 03 So my parents have had a, uh, five twenty nine account for me, but.
56:11 Caleb Hammer? What's how much in it?
56:13 Speaker 03 Twenty six or so.
56:15 Caleb Hammer? Twenty six thousand?
56:17 Speaker 03 Yes.
56:17 Caleb Hammer? So this was after the twenty six thousand, so you spent like fifty thousand?
56:21 Speaker 03 No, so they use that to buy me a new car.
56:25 Caleb Hammer? Oh, okay, which they can, but even still twenty six thousand, does that all have to go to the new car? No, maybe like seven or eight, nine of it, when did they have to get the new car, when was this? When was this?
56:34 Speaker 03 December twenty twenty one.
56:35 Caleb Hammer? Wait, when were you in school, you're twenty seven?
56:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, so.
56:38 Caleb Hammer? Why was the five twenty nine not being used while you're in school, where'd you go to school, eighteen?
56:42 Speaker 03 Yeah, well.
56:43 Caleb Hammer? Why was the five twenty nine still sitting there?
56:46 Speaker 03 Um, I mean.
56:47 Caleb Hammer? I'm so confused.
56:49 Speaker 03 They used it for a few semesters, um, and then I guess I just didn't really talk to them about the borrowing and the, the student loans and so, um, then they, I decided to drop out and not go anymore.
57:06 Caleb Hammer? What are you going to school for?
57:08 Speaker 03 Well, I changed my major so many damn times, it.
57:11 Caleb Hammer? Most of the time, what were you going to school for?
57:13 Speaker 03 The last thing I was doing was paralegal.
57:15 Caleb Hammer? Why'd you drop out?
57:16 Speaker 03 Because I just couldn't do school and work at the same time, so I just stopped going.
57:21 Caleb Hammer? You couldn't?
57:21 Speaker 03 Well.
57:22 Caleb Hammer? You're incapable of doing anything that everyone else does, I just want to make sure you're aware of that. According to you, you are incapable of doing anything that anyone else does, here, let's get some, just get some general statistics, huh, get a little general statistics.
57:37 Speaker 03 Well, I tried for a long time to work and go to school full time at the same time, and that didn't work. And then whenever I started working, um, and as the years have gone on, I've made more money each year, and so I figured. I'm not really interested in paralegal studies anymore. I I'm
57:56 Caleb Hammer? Anymore? So how often did you fall on and off these memberships? By the way, seventy four percent of people enrolled in twenty twenty were working at least a part time job. Full time students working at least a part time job on the side. So I can't. It's like you can't fucking half pack a box.
58:13 Speaker 03 Well, I think I tried for so many years and I I just realized school wasn't for me.
58:18 Caleb Hammer? Well, that part's okay, but let's be honest. That's not the excuse you use. I think you were being honest. You thought you couldn't. You are lazy. You are lazy in every aspect of life.
58:32 Caleb Hammer? Is what we are learning. That may just be a part of your personality. I don't want to say that's okay.
58:41 Speaker 03 I think the the the amount of time that I was putting towards school just at the end of it wasn't really worth it for me if I wasn't gonna finish and I didn't want to keep borrowing and I didn't want to, you know, I I kind of decided to choose to focus on working and, you know, growing my career and and doing stuff like that before.
59:05 Caleb Hammer? That part, that part's fine. Okay, so you have the do you have the car?
59:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, I have the car.
59:12 Caleb Hammer? Did they pay for it in cash?
59:13 Speaker 03 Yes.
59:14 Caleb Hammer? How much?
59:15 Speaker 03 It was, I mean, it it used all of it, all of the five twenty nine. So I think it
59:22 Caleb Hammer? I'm getting a value of sixteen thousand now.
59:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was it was back when
59:26 Caleb Hammer? How's it doing?
59:27 Speaker 03 All the, it's good. I am, it was back when the used car market was really bad.
59:33 Caleb Hammer? Yeah.
59:33 Speaker 03 So.
59:34 Caleb Hammer? It's still not great, but it is a lot better, even though it's, I honestly don't think it's ever gonna be the what it was again.
59:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's great. I keep up with the maintenance and and everything and it's
59:43 Caleb Hammer? How many miles we got?
59:44 Speaker 03 I think it's at like forty seven or forty eight.
59:47 Caleb Hammer? And what was the car?
59:48 Speaker 03 Uh, it's a Mazda three, twenty twenty one Mazda three.
59:53 Speaker 03 So, yeah, it's in great condition. It it.
59:58 Speaker 03 That's great.
59:58 Caleb Hammer? The mom has given you a thousand five hundred. They paid for the car for you. What else have they, what else do they do for you? What else have they done for you?
1:00:07 Speaker 03 Whenever we decided to get married, my fiance and I, um,
1:00:11 Caleb Hammer? Oh gosh.
1:00:11 Speaker 03 My mom decided to
1:00:13 Caleb Hammer? I always come back to this.
1:00:14 Speaker 03 Take money out of her retirement to pay for our wedding.
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1:01:24 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
1:01:25 Caleb Hammer? How much?
1:01:26 Speaker 03 Um, so
1:01:27 Speaker 04 Your sausage McMuffin with egg didn't change. Your receipt did. The sausage McMuffin with egg extra value meal includes a hash brown and a small coffee for just five dollars. Only at McDonald's for a limited time.
1:01:39 Speaker 05 Pricing participation may vary. Promotion pricing may be lower than meal pricing.
1:01:41 Speaker 03 The total?
1:01:42 Caleb Hammer? Why'd you even allow her to? I wouldn't have even accepted that.
1:01:45 Speaker 03 Well, I mean.
1:01:48 Speaker 03 I figured she was offering and so she
1:01:50 Caleb Hammer? She was offering, but do you know how
1:01:53 Speaker 03 She, the way she phrased it
1:01:54 Caleb Hammer? How old is she?
1:01:55 Speaker 03 She's sixty-four.
1:01:57 Caleb Hammer? Okay, so she could take it out penalty free at least.
1:02:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:02:00 Caleb Hammer? What's her retirement look like-ish?
1:02:02 Speaker 03 It's
1:02:03 Caleb Hammer? Best to your knowledge?
1:02:04 Speaker 03 I mean, I don't know the exact number.
1:02:06 Caleb Hammer? Best to your knowledge?
1:02:07 Speaker 03 Really good. She worked for ExxonMobil for like thirty-five years, so like it's like
1:02:12 Caleb Hammer? What she put to retirement?
1:02:14 Speaker 03 It's probably in the millions.
1:02:15 Caleb Hammer? How much did she take out? Really?
1:02:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:02:17 Caleb Hammer? Okay, okay.
1:02:18 Speaker 03 So she took out, the way she phrased it was that I have enough and I wanna celebrate with you and I wanna do this for you.
1:02:24 Caleb Hammer? Okay, well, that's different, okay.
1:02:25 Speaker 03 So she took out eight thousand.
1:02:28 Caleb Hammer? Okay.
1:02:28 Speaker 03 Total, and the wedding was, the, the venue was non-refundable. So I think she paid in total seven thousand. Um, that was, you couldn't cancel, you couldn't change the date, you couldn't change the names on the reservation or like the venue. Um, and so she, we had to pay, she paid seven thousand because even, even if, even though it was canceled.
1:02:58 Caleb Hammer? You guys were close, did you like spend money on wedding rings and the dress and
1:03:02 Speaker 03 Um, so I actually, I actually bought my dress. And it was like six hundred dollars. So I bought that.
1:03:11 Caleb Hammer? Everything with this fucking relationship, man.
1:03:13 Speaker 03 It's on my mom's now. I told her to put it on Facebook Marketplace.
1:03:16 Caleb Hammer? What? It's your mom's now?
1:03:18 Speaker 03 No, it's at my mom's. Like it just
1:03:20 Caleb Hammer? And you're having her sell it?
1:03:22 Speaker 03 I, I told her if she wants to, she can, but
1:03:25 Caleb Hammer? Okay.
1:03:26 Speaker 03 I mean, what am I gonna do with it?
1:03:28 Caleb Hammer? Sell it?
1:03:29 Speaker 03 Well, yeah, but
1:03:30 Caleb Hammer? You're the one that doesn't have money, you just borrowed from her.
1:03:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, but it's like
1:03:34 Caleb Hammer? I guess you could sell it and put it towards your debt.
1:03:36 Speaker 03 I'm just not sure how, um, I don't know. I got it tailored, so I don't know if it, whatever. Um, no, we didn't spend money on the rings because my ring from my stepmom, my dad kind of passed it on to me, so it is my ring. Um, and then she, I think she, when I had the conversation with her that we were going to not get married, I think she was kind of okay with it because she's been married like four times.
1:04:03 Caleb Hammer? Well, yeah, so Really?
1:04:05 Speaker 03 Yeah, she just got married to her new husband in September.
1:04:08 Caleb Hammer? Oh, was she prenupt?
1:04:10 Speaker 03 I don't know.
1:04:13 Caleb Hammer? Okay, well, we're sitting at about three to five percent interest on these loans. So I'm okay with that minimum monthly payment until it's paid off, but you actually have to pay
1:04:21 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:04:21 Caleb Hammer? Minimum monthly payment.
1:04:22 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:04:24 Caleb Hammer? The reason I'm okay with the
1:04:25 Speaker 03 In February.
1:04:26 Caleb Hammer? Why not before? I mean, the reason I'm okay with holding the five percent again, because it's like, um, I think new users who sign up for the investing app I use, Mu Mu, it's like they get like eight point five percent on their money for like six months and then it's like, then it's like six percent or something. I don't know. It's a, but it's a lot of money. And that beats your student loan. So that's why I'm okay with minimum monthly payment. We can use the money for our investments.
1:04:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:04:49 Caleb Hammer? It offsets it. Why am I seeing red on this? You see if I'm seeing red on a document, that means it's bad. Okay. What am I looking at?
1:04:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think
1:04:56 Caleb Hammer? Capital One. Don't even, don't even spoil it for me. I'm about to get just fucking sneaked up on by this. Okay. What's going on here? Oh, fees forty dollars. Hmm. That's curious. Oh, wait, I don't see a single dollar going towards it. Oh, wait, it's above the credit limit. A thousand five hundred dollar credit limit. We owe Capital One five thou- or one thousand, one thousand five hundred ninety-three dollars and twenty-two cents. Minimum monthly payment, one forty-one. What is that? Normally, what is it normally? How many months are you behind on this? How many months? How many months? How many months are you behind on this?
1:05:30 Speaker 03 I think, I think maybe two because the, the monthly payment is like
1:05:35 Caleb Hammer? You don't not make money. You don't not make money.
1:05:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:05:40 Caleb Hammer? I noticed that you got in a little predicament with the collections in the past, which you should have taken care of, and that would have prevented you from fucking yourself over when you got into this new place. So your fault, your problem, actually dealing with the consequences of your own actions. Who would have thought? But either way, even with that, you make money where you could have made like a fifty dollar damn payment on this.
1:05:57 Speaker 03 Yeah. Um, I
1:06:01 Caleb Hammer? So I'm going to say it's like a normally like a forty dollar payment, right?
1:06:03 Speaker 03 It's fifty one dollars.
1:06:04 Caleb Hammer? Okay, sorry.
1:06:05 Speaker 03 Yeah, fifty one.
1:06:06 Caleb Hammer? Okay, but you owe a hundred forty-one right now because we're over the credit limit?
1:06:10 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:06:10 Caleb Hammer? We're not paying the bills. Thirty-five dollars and fifty-five cents of interest is accruing. And what are these possible fucking purchases on here?
1:06:19 Speaker 03 I think that's the one.
1:06:20 Caleb Hammer? An apple. And past due, what are you fucking? Pull up your subscriptions. Let me see in your phone. Nope.
1:06:25 Speaker 03 It's my, um,
1:06:26 Caleb Hammer? Let me pull it up. Pull it up. I have a little, I have a little sneaky little peek.
1:06:30 Speaker 03 It's really not exciting.
1:06:32 Caleb Hammer? Take a little look.
1:06:34 Caleb Hammer? I'm having a little look, a little, little sneaky little look.
1:06:37 Speaker 03 There's only one that's active and it's, it's my.
1:06:40 Caleb Hammer? Well, yeah, but look at all the subscriptions you have signed up for. So, yeah. Head Twitch, Audible, Snapchat, Tinder, a channel membership to Valkyrie YouTube. Meet, meet Curvy?
1:06:56 Speaker 03 I think that's a dating app.
1:06:57 Caleb Hammer? It's a thick dating app?
1:06:58 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:07:00 Caleb Hammer? Interesting. They got one for everything. Farmers only. That's where I'm going to find my three tooth.
1:07:05 Speaker 03 That's not on there.
1:07:06 Caleb Hammer? No, I said, that's what I'm gonna use to find my three tooth wife.
1:07:09 Speaker 03 Three tooth, oh, three tooth wife. Hmm. Only three?
1:07:13 Caleb Hammer? Farmers own, okay. Bumble, more Bumble.
1:07:17 Speaker 03 Those are really old.
1:07:18 Caleb Hammer? Facetune, come on.
1:07:19 Speaker 03 Those are really old.
1:07:21 Caleb Hammer? Faced, kind of, not really.
1:07:23 Speaker 03 The only active one that I have is.
1:07:25 Caleb Hammer? Like literally is a couple of months ago was Bumble, but okay.
1:07:28 Speaker 03 My iCloud storage.
1:07:29 Caleb Hammer? But the FaceTune, come on, don't, don't like, you know.
1:07:32 Speaker 03 I'm trying to remember why I got that.
1:07:34 Caleb Hammer? Just not for the dating profiles, because that'll like, you just don't, don't. Fucking, ah, you know what I'm talking about? That word for when you look like different, when you open Mixology.
1:07:45 Speaker 03 Catfish?
1:07:45 Caleb Hammer? Hinge, Catfish, thank you. Coffee makes bagel, cheese for fuck's sake, you downloaded it every dating app with the, because the coffee made bagel.
1:07:51 Speaker 03 I don't know, it wasn't very good.
1:07:52 Caleb Hammer? What's different?
1:07:53 Speaker 03 Not anything.
1:07:54 Caleb Hammer? I have hinge and Bumble.
1:07:55 Speaker 03 Actually, it wasn't, that was probably the worst one. It's like.
1:07:58 Caleb Hammer? LinkedIn, trying to find a sugar daddy instead.
1:08:02 Caleb Hammer? Everland eBooks and audiobooks. Yeah, those are easier to carry.
1:08:05 Speaker 03 That's true. I, I did, um, I did cancel the, um, audiobooks because you can download those from Libby through the library. So.
1:08:18 Speaker 03 I did cancel that.
1:08:19 Caleb Hammer? When Jake added up her subscriptions, total was three hundred seventy-two dollars and sixty-five cents. And to YouTube TV $181.58
1:08:28 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah. So I subscribe to the NFL Sunday Ticket.
1:08:33 Caleb Hammer? You, you can't afford it. I
1:08:35 Speaker 03 I didn't realize I couldn't cancel it.
1:08:37 Caleb Hammer? I have it too, and I love it. And it's great for everyone who wants it.
1:08:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:08:41 Caleb Hammer? If they want to watch like the Lions, because I can't watch them down here. It's great. Guess what? You literally are borrowing from your mom for
1:08:47 Speaker 03 I know. That was I, I really, yeah, I regret that. Luckily, my best friend's husband gave me half because he used it. Um, but
1:08:56 Caleb Hammer? Well, we're gonna be getting fees every second. Our life on this card. Okay, we got a freedom card, freedom to up our entire life. Which you do have, and you chose to take the freedom, man. You did. $1,949.86 with a minimum monthly payment of 105. Uh, okay.
1:09:18 Speaker 03 I think
1:09:19 Caleb Hammer? No, I see fees again. $40 fees and $46.34 of interest. What are we doing?
1:09:24 Speaker 03 I was gonna say
1:09:25 Caleb Hammer? Oh, you're at the credit limit. What?
1:09:28 Speaker 03 I think the, um, I think the interest, or sorry, I think the minimum, the normal monthly minimum is like 59 or $60. And then I had the, I think I had a late fee on that one. I think.
1:09:43 Speaker 03 The only thing I
1:09:46 Speaker 03 The only thing that goes on that card is my DoorDash card.
1:09:49 Caleb Hammer? It's a DoorDash and it's maxed the out. How much, how, how, how, how much you spending? Fucking DoorDash.
1:09:55 Speaker 03 Well, that is
1:09:56 Caleb Hammer? How much you spending fucking DoorDash?
1:09:58 Speaker 03 So
1:09:59 Caleb Hammer? How much you spending fucking DoorDash would be the answer you're gonna give me?
1:10:03 Speaker 03 I actually
1:10:03 Caleb Hammer? Twenty twenty four, the full, you, okay.
1:10:06 Speaker 03 I went through every single like purchase on there.
1:10:08 Caleb Hammer? What was your year in review for fucking DoorDash?
1:10:10 Speaker 03 It was around $3,900.
1:10:13 Caleb Hammer? And we're trying to get off insulin. Okay.
1:10:17 Speaker 03 But that's only, that is only the, the, the DoorDash pass.
1:10:21 Caleb Hammer? That's more than a month of your fucking income, going to death, fucking DoorDash.
1:10:27 Speaker 03 Yeah. I mean, sometimes it's buying lunch for work and then I get.
1:10:33 Caleb Hammer? No, you pack, you pack, and you pack.
1:10:37 Speaker 03 No, no, no, for like team events.
1:10:38 Caleb Hammer? Your team, you pack.
1:10:40 Speaker 03 But I get reimbursed, like.
1:10:42 Caleb Hammer? Well, how much would you honestly say?
1:10:45 Speaker 03 So sometimes it's.
1:10:46 Caleb Hammer? No, of the four thousand, how much was that?
1:10:50 Speaker 03 Maybe five hundred?
1:10:52 Caleb Hammer? Uh huh, okay, it didn't save you, stop.
1:10:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:10:56 Caleb Hammer? Stop. It's fucking crazy, dude. Got fees and interest, fucking late fees and just, stop. This is such a mess, you cannot.
1:11:07 Speaker 03 I think I need to put things on.
1:11:09 Caleb Hammer? I think you need to cancel fucking DoorDash.
1:11:12 Speaker 03 Probably, cuz then I think.
1:11:14 Caleb Hammer? So you said you had therapy, right?
1:11:16 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:11:17 Caleb Hammer? Thanks.
1:11:18 Speaker 03 Every week.
1:11:19 Caleb Hammer? Is it expensive?
1:11:20 Speaker 03 Um, it's eighty dollars a session, so it's like.
1:11:25 Caleb Hammer? We can get you, just like everyone in the audience and I use personally, we can get you three free sessions to Sondermind, but you're already with a therapist, I don't know.
1:11:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, I really like her.
1:11:34 Caleb Hammer? I get it. Okay, it's very expensive though. Okay.
1:11:38 Speaker 03 Really? I thought that was pretty cheap.
1:11:40 Caleb Hammer? I guess it depends on your insurance in terms of what your copay towards it is.
1:11:44 Speaker 03 Yeah, she's in network, yeah.
1:11:46 Caleb Hammer? Um, I mean.
1:11:48 Speaker 03 I don't, it might change once I meet the deductible.
1:11:51 Caleb Hammer? My therapy is covered now, but last time I did therapy, covered through insurance, I got through work, cuz I'm assuming you got, you're getting used to work. My copay was forty bucks?
1:12:00 Speaker 03 Well, I think once I hit.
1:12:01 Caleb Hammer? But I did take the top option.
1:12:03 Speaker 03 Because I started seeing her in December after I'd already hit my deductible and it was zero. So I think once I hit it.
1:12:09 Caleb Hammer? Another capital one?
1:12:11 Speaker 03 Yes, I have two capital ones.
1:12:12 Caleb Hammer? Sake, okay.
1:12:13 Speaker 03 That minimum is, I think, twenty-five.
1:12:17 Caleb Hammer? Two hundred and ninety-three dollars and thirty-five cents with a twenty-five dollar monthly payment. I can read numbers sometimes. Fifty-seven dollars of purchases. Thank goodness.
1:12:27 Speaker 03 That's the one that I put.
1:12:28 Caleb Hammer? Oh, it's maxed out. It's maxed out at your three hundred. Thank goodness the max is only three hundred because you have no ability to not go to the max. You only go to the max. You are obsessed with going to the max. You see the max and you're like, I'm gonna go there.
1:12:38 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:12:38 Caleb Hammer? Seven dollars and twenty-seven cents of interest are coming. Fifty-seven dollars and fifty-four cents of purchases. You've purchased on every card so far. Why are we purchasing on fucking cards? We cannot pay. Why are we purchasing on cards that are maxed out? Out, out, out. You owe your mom. Why are you purchasing on fucking cards that are maxed out?
1:12:56 Speaker 03 That's when I have my Amazon subscribe and save things on.
1:13:01 Speaker 03 That I just need to change the payment.
1:13:02 Caleb Hammer? Okay, start a screen recording and let me see the Amazon account.
1:13:05 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:13:06 Caleb Hammer? Let me see. How many dating apps are we gonna see on there? A physical in-person dating app, huh?
1:13:12 Speaker 03 I think they sell those there.
1:13:13 Caleb Hammer? Ah, I can see it because this is insane.
1:13:17 Speaker 03 So some of these?
1:13:17 Caleb Hammer? How do you think this takes to pay off? This three hundred dollars with only minimum payment without doing purchases, which you're incapable of. Just this.
1:13:26 Speaker 03 Maybe two and a half years?
1:13:28 Caleb Hammer? Fifteen months, but that's still insane.
1:13:31 Speaker 03 So some of these?
1:13:32 Caleb Hammer? Amazon, Amazon.
1:13:33 Speaker 03 My ex still has my Amazon.
1:13:35 Caleb Hammer? Separate, fucking separate lady.
1:13:38 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:13:39 Caleb Hammer? Separate. You've already gone on a date with a fucking tall Eastern European man that's gonna conquer the Balkans for Putin again. Like.
1:13:51 Speaker 03 He has a very strong feeling about Russians, from what I recall.
1:13:54 Caleb Hammer? Which one? Balkan man? Yeah, they usually do that. So they're a part of NATO. Okay, you got books. You got you're wiping your ass with some toilet paper. Ultra, ultra plus. Ultra, wow, okay. And we got lots of game. Really stocking up on the game.
1:14:12 Caleb Hammer? We have diet indoor, oh, adult cat.
1:14:16 Speaker 03 Cat food.
1:14:17 Caleb Hammer? Lots of yarn, lots of more yarn.
1:14:22 Caleb Hammer? Oprah's book?
1:14:23 Speaker 03 Uh, those are, that's starting with my ex's or Christmas presents for his family or whatever. No, I didn't pay for those. Those were, he paid for those.
1:14:32 Caleb Hammer? Puzzle for adults, puzzle for adults. Maybe we do need to go on more dates. We got some pens.
1:14:39 Caleb Hammer? plushy things
1:14:40 Speaker 03 so
1:14:41 Caleb Hammer? natural forks
1:14:42 Speaker 03 I do
1:14:43 Caleb Hammer? Nutrishef? What's a Nutrishef?
1:14:45 Speaker 03 I don't know
1:14:45 Caleb Hammer? No nonstick pans Really? You didn't have any shelves? Not once? You didn't have any shelves? You didn't have any bag? You didn't have any cookware?
1:14:54 Speaker 03 I needed some
1:14:55 Caleb Hammer? You did not have any crochet stuff with your endless crochet? Oh, more yarn?
1:14:59 Speaker 03 I did
1:14:59 Caleb Hammer? Wow, you go through yarn like that?
1:15:00 Speaker 03 I do, and I, I, I brought it, I brought it, um, I can show you
1:15:05 Caleb Hammer? You brought your yarn?
1:15:06 Speaker 03 No, I brought a blanket I made with the yarn
1:15:08 Caleb Hammer? Is this show and tell?
1:15:09 Speaker 03 Yeah I'll show you
1:15:11 Caleb Hammer? I'm back in kindergarten, let's see
1:15:13 Speaker 03 And it's really soft
1:15:15 Caleb Hammer? And, okay, better be for the amount of money you spent on it Okay, for really soft, okay Let me give you my full candid Full candid
1:15:23 Speaker 03 I made it
1:15:24 Caleb Hammer? Stop?
1:15:24 Speaker 03 It's the first blanket I ever made
1:15:28 Caleb Hammer? I have blankets This isn't what I would consider really soft
1:15:33 Speaker 03 It's the softest yarn you can buy
1:15:34 Caleb Hammer? Okay, then you need better yarn, because why are there softer blankets?
1:15:38 Speaker 03 Well, I don't know, it's made of different material, it's not crocheted
1:15:40 Caleb Hammer? Okay Can you really stay warm with all these holes?
1:15:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's really heavy
1:15:45 Caleb Hammer? Yeah, it is
1:15:45 Speaker 03 So, it's like, it's kinda like a weighted blanket I need to sew those, um
1:15:50 Caleb Hammer? It has like herpes
1:15:51 Speaker 03 Yeah, I need to sew those in Also, my cat sometimes
1:15:54 Caleb Hammer? Oh, it's nice, how much did it like cost you in general? Well done, I'm sure that's taken time
1:16:00 Speaker 03 Probably cost
1:16:01 Caleb Hammer? Did you make that? That looks like you made that, too
1:16:04 Speaker 03 No, this is a, this is a Taylor Swift cardigan
1:16:07 Caleb Hammer? Oh, that's why it looks like, okay
1:16:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah
1:16:09 Caleb Hammer? Right
1:16:09 Speaker 03 So, hey, this is the cutest one so far But this cost probably forty bucks in yarn And then
1:16:16 Caleb Hammer? I saw yarn purchases like crazy in there
1:16:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, so, I accidentally bought the wrong size And one of, one of these was the wrong size
1:16:25 Caleb Hammer? Oh, I think it's cool, I think it's really cool, it's a cool hobby
1:16:28 Speaker 03 I was
1:16:28 Caleb Hammer? You keep going, I guess, um The fact is, I, I just struggled with the purchase of it when we're literally borrowing from my mom in order to afford to survive And we're late on every payment, and we're only max out cards, it's like priorities, right?
1:16:41 Speaker 03 Yeah
1:16:41 Caleb Hammer? I think it's
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1:16:56 Caleb Hammer? Cool, I was memeing on you, I was memeing on that, I don't actually hate it, it's fine, whatever, um, but It's just, you don't have a kid, do you?
1:17:05 Speaker 03 No, no, no, that's my niece.
1:17:07 Caleb Hammer? Okay.
1:17:08 Speaker 03 No, no.
1:17:09 Caleb Hammer? Well, that would just add a
1:17:10 Speaker 03 No.
1:17:10 Caleb Hammer? wild element to this conversation.
1:17:12 Speaker 03 Absolutely not.
1:17:13 Caleb Hammer? Okay. Also, Joanne's and Michael's was another sixty seven seventy one.
1:17:19 Speaker 03 Yes. I did buy more yarn.
1:17:22 Caleb Hammer? Okay. It's just, it's the priorities. If I'm, I want to support that hobby. I'm good with that hobby. I think it's pretty cool. It's cool to actually produce something physical.
1:17:30 Speaker 03 I think that too. I think it's kind of cool.
1:17:32 Caleb Hammer? It's tangible. It's really cool.
1:17:32 Speaker 03 Pretty something with your hands.
1:17:34 Caleb Hammer? You can't afford it right now. You can't. You really can't. And this credit card's at thirty point two four percent interest.
1:17:41 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:17:42 Caleb Hammer? You what?
1:17:43 Speaker 03 I, I did make my friend um a Christmas gift and she's gonna come watch my cat. When I'm out of town, so.
1:17:51 Caleb Hammer? She would have watched it whether or not you got her a Christmas gift.
1:17:52 Speaker 03 I know, but
1:17:53 Caleb Hammer? You know.
1:17:53 Speaker 03 But she, but she handcrafted me something and so I wanted to.
1:17:57 Caleb Hammer? That's nice. That's nice. Sometimes we put off things for a little bit. If we can't afford to literally live.
1:18:02 Speaker 03 That's true.
1:18:03 Caleb Hammer? I, I, everyone, so I see comments where it's like, oh, Caleb, don't think it's Cancel Spotify. It's fucking, you can't survive.
1:18:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:18:11 Caleb Hammer? You're literally not able to afford your existence. It's as simple as that. It really comes down to that base level where you are literally borrowing from your mom to survive. You've done that all throughout life.
1:18:25 Speaker 03 So.
1:18:26 Caleb Hammer? Come on, you've got, you've taken different handouts from them. And it's okay that they saved up for you. I'm not, I'm not, but what if you did have to pay for that car? What kind of situation would you be in now?
1:18:34 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:18:34 Caleb Hammer? You're maxed out on the credit cards. You're fucking late on the credit cards. This is a disaster. It's when you put off those special things.
1:18:42 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think I would.
1:18:43 Caleb Hammer? Good with the, get the Spotify, get the yarn. When you're not able to when, when you're actually able to live. But you can't. You are not able to survive. And maybe it's as harsh of me. I don't know. Me personally, I'm choosing you keeping a roof over your head over yarn. Crazy, I know, but.
1:19:02 Speaker 03 I, I agree. And I think the, the one thing I'm, I'm never late on is rent because I feel like that's the most important.
1:19:08 Caleb Hammer? Now, look how your lates are stacking.
1:19:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:19:11 Caleb Hammer? Your lates are stacking. It is a for now equation with you. One thousand two hundred seventy three dollars and thirty four cents on my Best Buy credit card. With a forty six dollar minimum monthly payment. Yikes, yikes.
1:19:26 Speaker 03 So that one, um.
1:19:28 Caleb Hammer? How long does this take to pay off?
1:19:33 Speaker 03 Maybe six years.
1:19:34 Caleb Hammer? Eight years.
1:19:35 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:19:37 Speaker 03 So I don't spend on that. I don't spend on that one ever.
1:19:41 Caleb Hammer? Well, thank.
1:19:42 Speaker 03 I haven't spent on it.
1:19:44 Caleb Hammer? Barely able to anyway. You can make like a hundred dollar purchase and you'd be.
1:19:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:19:48 Caleb Hammer? Interest is a crumen constantly is twenty nine point four nine percent. Why are we in it in the first place? Like, what the did you get?
1:19:54 Speaker 03 So I bought a TV.
1:19:56 Caleb Hammer? Sort of TV, but you can get so many cheap TVs these days.
1:19:59 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:19:59 Caleb Hammer? What kind of TV were you kidding?
1:20:01 Speaker 03 Like twenty nineteen.
1:20:03 Caleb Hammer? Even still, you could get affordable TVs in twenty nineteen.
1:20:05 Speaker 03 It's like a seventy five inch Samsung or something.
1:20:08 Caleb Hammer? Oh, why aren't you getting like a fucking fire or whatever? Dude, in what world when you cannot survive, are you getting a seventy five inch Samsung OLED TV probably?
1:20:18 Speaker 03 No, it's not OLED. It's not. It's not. Like, I wish it was, but it's not.
1:20:24 Caleb Hammer? Well, don't upgrade.
1:20:27 Speaker 03 I won't until that one breaks.
1:20:28 Caleb Hammer? It's just the priorities, man. I'm not saying don't get it. Don't get it now.
1:20:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, I.
1:20:34 Caleb Hammer? You could have got a pretty good four K TV for five hundred bucks.
1:20:38 Speaker 03 It is really annoying.
1:20:39 Caleb Hammer? We have sixty to seventy inch four K TVs all over here. I purchased them for like four hundred bucks and they're good.
1:20:44 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's really annoying to like move places to because I'm scared it'll break.
1:20:49 Caleb Hammer? Again, something that everyone deals with for fuck's sake, stop.
1:20:53 Speaker 03 Well. I'm just saying, I'm just saying that I could have bought a smaller one and that would have been probably a better decision then.
1:21:00 Caleb Hammer? Yes, I agree.
1:21:01 Speaker 03 Seventy five.
1:21:03 Caleb Hammer? I have a checking account next, so.
1:21:06 Caleb Hammer? I was very clear with these payments and everything that you're doing. And I'm already seeing every line on here being on just the first page alone being marked as a bull purchase.
1:21:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:21:16 Caleb Hammer? You don't know how to budget. You don't know what the debt is. You don't understand the implications. Or the importance of investing. Go through all three of our classes, budgeting, debt and investing. You get it for free. They get it for fifteen percent off, but you get it for literally free. There have been guests that come on the financial audit channel, uh, financial audit follow up channel. They've gone through the classes. They've turned their lives around. There have been those who get it for free so they don't go through it because they don't have that investment.
1:21:42 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:21:43 Caleb Hammer? So they don't go through it and they don't change their lives. Ten thousand people out there have taken it and changed their lives. You can do that same. Take advantage of this literal opportunity like none other of yours right now. This could be your make or break. You have the fucking opportunity. Go through that shit. Take advantage of the resources. Don't piss me off by not.
1:22:07 Caleb Hammer? Two dollars and fifty five cents in this checking account. Yep, the all, there's five purchases on this first page and all of them are highlighted as bullshit. And there's two dollars in our checking account.
1:22:22 Speaker 03 So I keep most of my money in my other checking account?
1:22:28 Speaker 03 Um, I, I keep it in my other one.
1:22:31 Caleb Hammer? But it's your purchases, dude.
1:22:34 Speaker 03 So I try to keep the money on there of the bills that come out on auto pay. And then I put the other money in my other checking account because it has like 3.93% or something. So I figured that's probably a better option than keeping it in that one that doesn't have any percent.
1:22:53 Caleb Hammer? But you had overdraft fees. So fuck you. So whatever percent you're getting is then does not matter.
1:22:58 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:22:59 Caleb Hammer? So fuck you. It's as easy as that. Fuck you. You.
1:23:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:23:06 Caleb Hammer? Paramount for fucking Paramount? We're overdrafting for fucking Paramount? Taylor Swift shop. Oh, we got one of these. Okay. Here they are. Oh, good. A Patreon. PayPal. PayPal. Doubt it's even our Patreon, is it?
1:23:24 Speaker 03 Um.
1:23:25 Caleb Hammer? We literally provide more content in our YouTube membership.
1:23:27 Speaker 03 Subscribe to it. Well, not Patreon because you don't have that.
1:23:30 Caleb Hammer? Yes, I do.
1:23:31 Speaker 03 Oh, I don't know.
1:23:32 Caleb Hammer? We just like YouTube more.
1:23:34 Speaker 03 I meant the YouTube.
1:23:37 Caleb Hammer? And that's the conflicting part of it is you have done. You're not able to survive. We want to offer it for people who want to support the channel and watch all the extra content we produce. We have like so many shows in our membership.
1:23:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:23:49 Caleb Hammer? And it's great, but that's the fucking moral dilemma, man. And you're fucking killing me.
1:23:55 Caleb Hammer? You're borrowing from your damn motherf- -mom. Cash app. Disney plus you have every subscription. Uh, Discord, you have every subscription. And there's your NFL bullshit and Venmo overdraft. Overdraft.
1:24:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, luckily NFL doesn't come out anymore.
1:24:15 Caleb Hammer? Peacock. More NFL.
1:24:18 Speaker 03 I should cancel that. I don't.
1:24:18 Caleb Hammer? overdraft.
1:24:19 Speaker 03 I don't watch.
1:24:20 Caleb Hammer? Amazon. Going in and getting some Target. Better be groceries, is it? Cause you never know with Target.
1:24:26 Speaker 03 I don't know how much.
1:24:27 Caleb Hammer? Especially with how white you are.
1:24:29 Speaker 03 Yeah. How much was it?
1:24:31 Caleb Hammer? One sixty-four.
1:24:32 Speaker 03 Oh, I think that was a Christmas gift.
1:24:34 Caleb Hammer? So we're gonna overdraft for a Christmas gift. Well done, guys. We're doing so well. The mall. Spotify. You can listen to ads. You can listen to ads if you're getting unable to pay rent. Well, move. Putting down money for it. If we're late on credit cards, you can listen to ads. If you think it's about Spotify, you're literally it's not about Spotify. You can't pay your bills, so you're able to make a sacrifice. Amazon. Book of the month. Just GPT what the book of the month is. You'll be fine. Google it. You'll be fine. Venmoing out money. Klarna? We're Klarnying? What are we Klarnying? I didn't see a
1:25:19 Caleb Hammer? Klarna?
1:25:20 Speaker 03 Uh, I got new shoes, but I paid that off.
1:25:23 Caleb Hammer? Your news? Did you not have shoes?
1:25:25 Speaker 03 Um, I didn't have like walking shoes and my undercanologist told me that I should get some. So I can like start walking. And like getting physical activity, but I didn't have any like. All I have is, all I have is like Converse. And, uh,
1:25:41 Speaker 03 so I didn't have any like tennis shoes.
1:25:46 Caleb Hammer? Maybe we live different lives, but every shoes I've put on are walking shoes because I walk in them.
1:25:51 Speaker 03 Well, I, I came, I came to my endocrinologist.
1:25:58 Speaker 03 I went to my endocrinologist and he said that I should get like, like New Balances so that I have like
1:26:06 Caleb Hammer? Oh, hello. New Balances. Isn't that nice?
1:26:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:26:10 Caleb Hammer? Ah ha. I can afford them though.
1:26:13 Speaker 03 They actually, they
1:26:14 Caleb Hammer? That's the rule.
1:26:15 Speaker 03 They're very comfortable and my feet don't hurt whenever I walk a lot anymore because I did.
1:26:19 Caleb Hammer? Well, that's indicative of something else.
1:26:21 Speaker 03 No, because I was wearing, so I was wearing these like really like, I don't know, cheap shoes that were not meant for walking.
1:26:27 Caleb Hammer? Okay.
1:26:27 Speaker 03 I actually went on a date to like the Trail of Lights and I, um, I didn't realize how much walking that consisted of. I mean, I knew the trail was going to be walking, but you have to walk like a mile and a half from the parking lot just to get to the Trail of Lights.
1:26:40 Caleb Hammer? The whole thing from parking and back is like two miles. You couldn't do two miles?
1:26:44 Speaker 03 Well, it was like a mile and a half. I looked at my steps.
1:26:47 Caleb Hammer? Well, that's good.
1:26:48 Speaker 03 Um, but in total it was like five miles.
1:26:51 Caleb Hammer? I'm not fully against this, but you're clarned at it.
1:26:53 Speaker 03 That's true.
1:26:54 Caleb Hammer? Your minimum with the payment, all your stuff and you're lucky.
1:26:57 Speaker 03 I was wearing those really bad shoes and so I went to my endocrinologist just for a normal follow up.
1:27:02 Caleb Hammer? Listen, if the doctor said it, I'm good with it. But again, you're clarning it. It's, it's, it's like the thing earlier. I don't even remember what else. This conversation's been long. Not opposed to you getting it. It's how you did it.
1:27:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:27:12 Caleb Hammer? Amazon, Golden Chick.
1:27:16 Caleb Hammer? Now it's going to make walking harder.
1:27:17 Speaker 03 Yeah. The spicy tenders.
1:27:20 Caleb Hammer? Give spicy diarrhea.
1:27:22 Speaker 03 The jalapeno poppers.
1:27:24 Caleb Hammer? Gambit, Hulu, you have every subscription. More Paramount, Amazon, over Jeffy's a hundred two dollars in the first month of the year.
1:27:35 Speaker 03 No, that was December.
1:27:37 Caleb Hammer? Okay. In the last month of the year.
1:27:42 Speaker 03 So this is where I keep most of like my money.
1:27:46 Caleb Hammer? Seven hundred fifty-four dollars, most of our money.
1:27:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, like anything that's not.
1:27:50 Caleb Hammer? Starbucks, Michael's.
1:27:51 Speaker 03 Auto pay.
1:27:51 Caleb Hammer? Michael's, isn't that shoes? That's not shoes.
1:27:53 Speaker 03 No, Michael's is a craft store.
1:27:54 Caleb Hammer? Craft stores, yeah, okay, yes.
1:27:58 Caleb Hammer? I go to like the same like two stores. Okay, Thai and sushi, tour dash.
1:28:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:28:04 Caleb Hammer? Borrow from Rom Rom to survive, but we're door dashing. Jersey Mike's, Jersey Mike's, Jo- Hans, Jo- Hans. Creative reuse, sushi and Thai, went and got some BS from the gas station, door dashing Dairy Queen. Oh, New York Times.
1:28:25 Caleb Hammer? Mexican restaurant, Michael's Stores, McDonald's, Taco Bell's, Etsy, how, um.
1:28:30 Speaker 03 I bought a pattern.
1:28:32 Caleb Hammer? Stop your fucking patterns. How about develop a pattern and pay off debt and not being like gonna die in poverty? Michael's, Starbucks, water burger, sending out fifty bucks. You sending out fifty bucks to?
1:28:44 Speaker 03 Um, I don't know.
1:28:46 Caleb Hammer? Peteris, Starbucks, Amazon, Starbucks, sending out money, five bucks. You don't know who you send money to, so I'm not gonna ask again. McDonald's, Starbucks, sending out twenty-five dollars. You don't know where it goes. Starbucks, McDonald's, door dashing, Cabo Bobs.
1:28:58 Speaker 03 I think.
1:28:58 Caleb Hammer? More Cabo Bobs.
1:28:59 Speaker 03 I think that's me moving money to my.
1:29:01 Caleb Hammer? You go out to eat every single day of your life.
1:29:05 Speaker 03 And yes, in December, that was probably true.
1:29:07 Caleb Hammer? Steam purchase. That's not, that's not gonna encourage you to move. Taco Bell, Morse's Team, Target, probably simple with knowing how you do things. McDonald's, McDonald's, Starbucks, Dairy Queen, Chick-fil-A, Taco Bell, McDonald's, Starbucks, Starbucks, Fairy Lou, Cabo Bobs, Home.
1:29:26 Caleb Hammer? Look at this, guys. What are we doing? What are we fucking doing? Target, Books, Peteris, Russell's Bakery, Target, Michael's Stores, Russell's Bakery, Stop Hub, fifty bucks, Amazon, Starbucks, Too Good To Go, Too Good To Go, Amazon.
1:29:44 Caleb Hammer? Starbucks, huh? Huh?
1:29:45 Speaker 03 A lot of bread from that.
1:29:46 Caleb Hammer? What?
1:29:47 Speaker 03 I got a lot of bread from my Too Good To Go order. I have like a whole loaf in my freezer.
1:29:54 Speaker 03 And it was only like ten dollars.
1:29:55 Caleb Hammer? Why are we obsessed with bread? What the are we talking about? Why are we bragging about bread right now?
1:29:59 Speaker 03 Well, because then I-
1:29:59 Caleb Hammer? What are you, a duck?
1:30:00 Speaker 03 Well, then I can have it in the freezer and-
1:30:03 Caleb Hammer? You know, you can make your own bread for cheaper.
1:30:05 Speaker 03 I did try-
1:30:05 Caleb Hammer? Too good to go and that's actual home-
1:30:07 Speaker 03 I did try that.
1:30:09 Caleb Hammer? Taco Bell sending out three hundred fifty, forty-eight bucks. Do you know where that went?
1:30:14 Speaker 03 So anytime the money moves somewhere, it's me sending money to my Chase checking. Oh, my gosh.
1:30:19 Caleb Hammer? So that we can try to not overdraft even though you overdrafted like four times, right?
1:30:22 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:30:23 Caleb Hammer? I think you need to consolidate into one checking account because you cannot manage to save your fucking life.
1:30:27 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's probably true.
1:30:28 Caleb Hammer? Whataburger, Alamo, Alamo Drafthouse, Mexican restaurant, McDonald's, Twitch Plus, Twitch Interactive. So you, so I see gaming and Twitch.
1:30:38 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm.
1:30:39 Caleb Hammer? Is that a big part of you?
1:30:40 Speaker 03 Um, yeah, so I, I, that's actually how me and my ex met. We met on Twitch.
1:30:46 Caleb Hammer? Yeah, well, don't do that again, obviously.
1:30:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, um, but yeah, I watch like streamers and I play games sometimes.
1:30:52 Caleb Hammer? Who's your streamer?
1:30:53 Speaker 03 Um, I like watching like Valkyrie and Ludwig and-
1:30:57 Caleb Hammer? I know Valkyrie.
1:30:57 Speaker 03 Sakuno and-
1:30:59 Caleb Hammer? I know of Ludwig. I have heard Valkyrie's name, don't know her.
1:31:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, those are, there, it's a lot of people who used to be really into like the Among Us. Um, when that was kind of popular.
1:31:09 Caleb Hammer? Okay.
1:31:09 Speaker 03 And I still watch them.
1:31:11 Caleb Hammer? Money, Alamo Drafthouse, went to Target, Amazon, Amazon, this is crazy, more Etsy. Gotta get some patterns, guys. Went in, got some [BLEEP] in the gas station. Beans Cafe, Beans Cafe, Beans Cafe. Oh, if it isn't, if it isn't fees, if it isn't thirty-four, seventy-six dollars a fee, overdraft.
1:31:31 Speaker 03 Well, that's from sending money.
1:31:34 Caleb Hammer? Oh, sending money fees, yes.
1:31:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:31:37 Caleb Hammer? Hmm.
1:31:40 Speaker 03 I'm curious if I should keep my money in the Chase or if I should keep it in there so I don't, and like move over all my auto.
1:31:46 Caleb Hammer? I don't know, this bank I use, Chase, Chase is fine.
1:31:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, but that one gets the interest, so.
1:31:51 Caleb Hammer? Your interest, you're paying overdraft fees that don't matter.
1:31:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, but would it be-
1:31:54 Caleb Hammer? Stop!
1:31:55 Speaker 03 Keep it in the checking that has interest that versus the checking-
1:31:57 Speaker 04 Your sausage McMuffin with egg didn't change, your receipt did. The sausage McMuffin with egg extra value meal includes a hash brown and a small coffee for just five dollars. Only at McDonald's for a limited time.
1:32:09 Speaker 05 Price and participation may vary. Promotion pricing may be lower than meal pricing.
1:32:12 Speaker 03 It doesn't have interest?
1:32:13 Caleb Hammer? You're overdrafting. I don't care. I did, go to one, I don't care. Just go to one. I don't care.
1:32:19 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:32:19 Caleb Hammer? Doesn't matter. You have four thousand dollars in retirement.
1:32:22 Speaker 03 I actually have like eight or seven. I have two.
1:32:25 Caleb Hammer? Oh, cuz you have two. Yeah, you have about like eight to nine thousand.
1:32:30 Caleb Hammer? Okay, good. That was an hour and a half. Alright, let's see if we can budget him.
1:32:36 Speaker 03 Okay, I have all my numbers.
1:32:39 Caleb Hammer? Oh, she has her numbers. Yeah, she's incapable of following them. Yeah, I'm not gonna trust your numbers.
1:32:43 Speaker 03 Well, I have.
1:32:43 Caleb Hammer? Your income, three thousand six hundred dollars.
1:32:46 Speaker 03 Thirty four hundred.
1:32:47 Caleb Hammer? Oh, thirty four.
1:32:48 Speaker 03 So I have thirty four hundred and then I take out um three twenty from my HSA. But that goes directly to therapy, so it kind of evens out.
1:32:57 Caleb Hammer? Hold on. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. But okay, yes, yes, then we'll cross that out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll put therapy under there, but you already have it accounted for.
1:33:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:33:07 Caleb Hammer? That minimum is eight forty three eighteen.
1:33:13 Caleb Hammer? Okay, your rent and everything? Uh, rent plus the bullshit fees, yes, yes, yes.
1:33:17 Speaker 03 It's like thirteen oh nine.
1:33:18 Caleb Hammer? Okay, thirteen oh nine utilities?
1:33:21 Speaker 03 Um, the electric is.
1:33:24 Caleb Hammer? Rent's too expensive. You don't have to live like that here in Austin. I know for a fact.
1:33:28 Speaker 03 Uh, electric is twenty five. And then AT and T internet sixty.
1:33:34 Caleb Hammer? Is there any gas?
1:33:35 Speaker 03 No.
1:33:37 Caleb Hammer? Twenty five for electric is really cheap.
1:33:39 Speaker 03 That was my first bill. I'm not sure what.
1:33:40 Caleb Hammer? Oh, it's gonna go up. I'm gonna mark it as.
1:33:42 Speaker 03 Maybe forty.
1:33:43 Caleb Hammer? I'm gonna call it seventy five. Gas, room, room, drive, drive.
1:33:46 Speaker 03 Um, probably about forty five dollars.
1:33:48 Caleb Hammer? Phone bill?
1:33:49 Speaker 03 Uh, it is one fifteen.
1:33:51 Caleb Hammer? How? What is with people?
1:33:53 Speaker 03 I have a, I have this.
1:33:55 Caleb Hammer? Cuz you financed it.
1:33:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:33:56 Caleb Hammer? Oh, my gosh, they have.
1:33:57 Speaker 03 I think it's almost done. I think I have.
1:33:59 Caleb Hammer? Good, when it's done, switch to fucking helium. Fifteen bucks a month. Same towers as T-Mobile. What is it for now? Again?
1:34:05 Speaker 03 Uh, one fifteen.
1:34:06 Caleb Hammer? That's insane. How do people pay so much for that crap? Car insurance?
1:34:10 Speaker 03 Um, one thirty seven.
1:34:13 Caleb Hammer? TP fun hundred bucks. Anything else you need to survive all the Taylor Swift you need? Plus toilet paper. What's the difference? Food $300 a month. Use our budget friendly cookbook. Oh, it's right here. Look at that. There it is. There it is. You get it with the simpler money premium or the simpler budget app. When you sign up for premium and you get the digital version of the cookbook and workout physical option as well, but uh, check that out. Medical, we have the therapy. Anything else? Well, yeah, what's your co-pay? Well, like, what are we putting there?
1:34:43 Speaker 03 I would probably give like 125 a month for
1:34:46 Caleb Hammer? Extra?
1:34:47 Speaker 03 Yeah, for like all my
1:34:48 Caleb Hammer? Okay.
1:34:49 Speaker 03 medicines and stuff that I need.
1:34:50 Caleb Hammer? Perfect. How much you need?
1:34:52 Speaker 03 Uh, so it's insulin. I have a sensor that's like 70 bucks for a month. I have like other
1:34:58 Caleb Hammer? No more DoorDash.
1:34:59 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:34:59 Caleb Hammer? Little more trail lights.
1:35:00 Speaker 03 Yes. Well, that's done, but yeah.
1:35:03 Caleb Hammer? Yeah, but you can repeat that. You can do it. The whole thing. Listen, I know I've been joking and some people are gonna see it as me insulting and stuff like that. This is is as I'm going through the process as well. I'm like finally starting to take some things a little seriously after some conversations and whatnot. So only a couple of weeks in, whatever. It doesn't matter. But either way, I mean, it's just, it's seriously just, I want you to live a long life.
1:35:24 Speaker 03 I think
1:35:24 Caleb Hammer? And I'm not gonna baby you and I want you to live a long life and a financially healthy life and it's not, let's just be real. It is not okay for someone to just hear and say, it's okay.
1:35:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:35:35 Caleb Hammer? It's okay. It's not okay. You're objectively unhealthy. I'm objectively unhealthy.
1:35:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:35:40 Caleb Hammer? Let's take control of this. Let's acknowledge it. Let's not hurt ourselves for it. Like no one's so fucking suggesting that. But let's work on it. That'll help lower your costs and I want you, you're gonna put in so much work to get out of debt. I want you to actually live a long life in order to reap the benefits, right?
1:35:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:35:56 Caleb Hammer? Cause what's the point of getting out of debt, saving for retirement if you won't retire?
1:36:01 Speaker 03 I think I, I think if I cancel the DoorDash pass, that will really deter me from ordering.
1:36:06 Caleb Hammer? I hope so. Delete the app.
1:36:07 Speaker 03 Because the fees, like after I see the fees, I'm like, actually, no, I really don't want to order that. But I think because the
1:36:12 Caleb Hammer? You're just gonna follow the cookbook and you're gonna make our budget
1:36:14 Speaker 03 I did unpack all of my cooking supplies, so
1:36:17 Caleb Hammer? Well, that's the basic necessity. I'm not gonna high five you. What is your pet food?
1:36:24 Speaker 03 Um, probably about $30 a month.
1:36:27 Caleb Hammer? Okay. On a monthly basis, actually not the therapy because that's
1:36:32 Speaker 03 It cancels, yeah, it cancels itself.
1:36:33 Caleb Hammer? $3,134.18.
1:36:37 Caleb Hammer? So the 3,400, you have an extra 265, 82 left on a monthly basis. That's, that's brutal living. With that, I mean, even if we minus the student loans.
1:36:48 Speaker 03 Just 132.
1:36:50 Caleb Hammer? Actually, you're bad debt. We talked a lot about a lot of debts, but they don't add up too much. At 10,136, it's still horrendous. What?
1:36:56 Speaker 03 I shouldn't pay my student loans? Why are we subtracting it?
1:36:58 Caleb Hammer? Because you're doing minimum monthly payments until they're paid off. I'm trying to figure out what it would take to pay off the rest of this stuff.
1:37:04 Speaker 03 I see.
1:37:04 Caleb Hammer? As hard as possible. Without any fun money, it would still take 38 months, even for just 10,000 hours. And 10,000 hours is substantial, but it's low compared to a lot of people on the show, and it's a low for how many deaths we went through. That still takes three years. Three years to pay off. And then your student loans, it's probably going to take like, uh, probably like seven more years. Then you gotta save up for an emergency fund. This is probably three years and three quarters. So you can do that. The reality of your situation, probably going to need to pick up a part-time job or something.
1:37:32 Speaker 03 I, I'm probably getting a raise in April.
1:37:35 Caleb Hammer? Raise is gonna be good. I don't think it's gonna stretch far enough. I need you to bring an extra 750. Buddy, you can knock this down on under a year if you bring in an extra 750, not a year, three years or a year.
1:37:46 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:37:47 Caleb Hammer? I choose a year. Call it a year and a half, and you got fully funded emergency fund. You can stop that job. And your life has changed. And you can 50, 30, 20 until retirement, and your life has changed. You just need to take control. Here's the summaries of the conversation. You're lazy beyond lazy. You make endless excuses that everyone, just doing the things that everyone goes through. And you're just not, so far haven't been willing to put in the effort. If you do, we can get you out of debt in a year. Even if you put in the minimum effort required, you can do this in three years, but you can, you can do more than that. So.
1:38:22 Speaker 03 Should I put, should I be putting like the, I get a stock payout every, um, quarter? Should I put that towards? A certain debt or?
1:38:32 Caleb Hammer? We'll bleep it. What's the stock?
1:38:34 Speaker 03 It's with my company.
1:38:37 Caleb Hammer? Okay.
1:38:37 Speaker 03 It's it's about 700 every quarter.
1:38:41 Caleb Hammer? What are they giving you? What discount are they giving you on it? Or is it just free?
1:38:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's it's like part of my package of employment.
1:38:48 Caleb Hammer? Yeah, that's fine. I I think so. Well, well, but how much? Okay. I see.
1:38:53 Speaker 03 So it's 700 every quarter and I choose when I get the money sent to have them take out the like taxes and stuff upfront.
1:39:01 Caleb Hammer? Let's not make or break for you. You can.
1:39:04 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:39:05 Caleb Hammer? You can. Yeah, it's not make or break. You can. I would go get that extra 750 bucks in that on a monthly basis. All right, guys, make sure to join us in the post show. That's where we have an extra 20 minutes of fun after every episode. And usually we uncover something big as well because the producers, they know everything about your life. And I don't. There's always things missed. And we got like over a thousand hours of extra content. Make sure you join Hammer Elite for the best value of your dollar. Okay. Spending your budget. Let's get your Hammer Financial Score. Spending your budget.
1:39:35 Caleb Hammer? Yo. Oh. Didn't even go over it, dude. It's crazy. Let's find out. We know your income. And you spent $9,000. Okay.
1:39:46 Caleb Hammer? Dude.
1:39:46 Speaker 03 Well, that's with all the
1:39:47 Caleb Hammer? Zero out of 10.
1:39:48 Speaker 03 House stuff.
1:39:48 Caleb Hammer? Yeah, it's with all the money that went out. And we also know you spent $900 going out to you.
1:39:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:39:54 Caleb Hammer? Zero out of 10 debt. No collections right now, right?
1:39:57 Speaker 03 No collections.
1:39:58 Caleb Hammer? The debt's bad. I think we get out of it relatively easy. As far as that goes, it's more of a two out of 10. Emergency fund. Nothing saved. Zero out of 10. Retirement barely started. I'm gonna say, well, with the $8,000 with where you are with your income. 27. I'm gonna give you about a three out of 10 there. Because we are going for retirement for age and then real estate zero out of 10 for now. It's gonna be a Hammer Financial Score, one out of 10. Guys, we'll see you in the post show and don't forget to download the new simpler budget app. You get a free trial and it's great automatic connections. Actually change your life for the first time forever.
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