Pod Insights The Rest Is Politics 47. Liz Truss, lido politics, and Chile About this episode How will Liz Truss operate in Number 10? Why is The Rest Is Politics banned on FCDO official phones? And what's going on in Chile?
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1:43 Rory Stewart? Hello and welcome to The Rest is Politics with me, Rory Stewart.
1:47 Alastair Campbell? And me, Alastair Campbell.
1:48 Rory Stewart? We're recording this on Tuesday afternoon, the day after our emergency Liz Truss victory part. Today's episode, we'll talk a little bit more about the Prime Minister, cover some stories from abroad, too. We're going to start, though, with obviously the thing that's on every listener's mind, which is, Alistair, did you really go for a swim in the Lido instead of watching Boris Johnson's leaving speech this morning? Because that's not great preparation for today's podcast.
2:14 Alastair Campbell? I went to the Lido at seven. I was in the water at 7:01. I was out of the water at 7:25 and I listened to Boris Johnson on Radio 5 Live as I walked home. Is that okay? And that was that was enough for me to realise that he was he left office exactly as he entered office as a liar and a fantasist, talking about this amazing country that he transformed in the last three years there. And without a hint of humility or fatrition, or any sense that he was anything other than a wonderful figure, who would go down in British history as one of our great leaders, and then off he toddled to Balmoral to resign.
2:56 Rory Stewart? And many people will sort of sort of believe that, won't they? Had this line that of course troubles me a lot, which he says he's he's heading off like Cincinnatus to his plough. And the point about Cincinnatus is Cincinnatus is a Roman, exactly, Roman politician who sets off to his plough and then gets summoned back to save the country.
3:13 Alastair Campbell? And and became a dictator, didn't he?
3:15 Rory Stewart? Oh, that's that's I think he was an emergency dictator. Yeah, that's good.
3:20 Alastair Campbell? But that was classic, wasn't it? There was there was there was it was that was totally thrown out there to have people telling that story. And then if he's asked about it, he'll say, well, no, no, it was just a joke, just a joke, whatever. But no, if I was Liz Truss, of all, you know, I'd be I'd be worried about Johnson's intentions. And I think William Hague was right when we talked to him recently, when he said Johnson's friends should tell him in no uncertain terms, he should stay out, but he won't. He's incapable of being anything other than the centre of attention.
3:46 Rory Stewart? Speaking of William Hague, good article in The Times today. It points out we've had six foreign secretaries in the last eight years compared to six foreign secretaries in the 24 years before that. And imagine what that means for British foreign policy, because diplomacy almost more than anything else relies on these these relationships. I'm here speaking to you from Uganda, where the president has been in, President Museveni has been in for decades now. And you only really begin to get anywhere with relationships, I think, on at least the second or third visit. And the problem that we've been facing with our foreign secretaries, indeed all our ministers. Is that they rarely make it to the first visit, let alone beyond.
4:27 Alastair Campbell? But added to which, we're just not taken as seriously as we were, are we? I mean, the country is not taken as seriously. And look, Liz Truss, I don't know, I mean, has she, has she really been effective as a Foreign Secretary? I mean, she's been effective in terms of persuading the Tory Party members that she somehow single-handedly stood up to Vladimir Putin. I'm sure it's news to Vladimir Putin. But I don't know, I just, I just worry the extent to which we're just not seen as a serious country and our politics. You know, I mentioned this guy from, I talked to you from Singapore, so we used to look at your politics with jealousy and now we just sort of look at it and
4:59 Rory Stewart? No, so I couldn't, couldn't agree more. And it's been going on, unfortunately, a bit, a little bit longer than even the horrible Boris Johnson. I remember my friend John saying that he'd taken a friend of his from India into the House of Commons to watch a debate. And he used to do it in the 1980s with enormous pride. And he remembers sitting, this was in my early days under David Cameron, just sitting there and almost kind of weeping with shame at seeing MPs all on their phones, the very poor quality of the debate, very poorly attended chamber on a really big, serious foreign policy issue. That's horrible. One small thing that I noticed, she's, Liz Truss, has said that she wants to create a much smaller, tighter office
5:41 Rory Stewart? in Downing Street. And that is also what David Cameron said he was going to do in 2010. And it went wrong for him. Because what happened is that he came in, Gordon Brown before him had been running, had inherited actually from Tony Blair, these delivery units, where number 10 was really quite a machine. It was running a lot of government. And David Cameron thought that he could just undo all that and have much smaller group of special advisers around him. And the truth was that it really didn't work. And in fact, the permanent secretaries who came in were very, very worried about the way things were being run, because you can't just remove that and hope that by removing it, you're going to return to some imagined dream of Cabinet Government. And I'm very, very worried that what you end up with is very inexperienced,
6:26 Rory Stewart? young special advisers who really don't get most of these subjects, trying to bully and boss around other departments, other Cabinet Ministers. So I'm troubled by that, that beginning change in the institution of government.
6:40 Alastair Campbell? But she, but she wants, you know, she's made a big thing during the leadership election about, you know, cutting down the size of the state and I do think they've got to revisit this whole thing about the way they talk about the public sector and the way they talk about civil servants. It's almost like they are, you know, John Major made that speech a few months ago about the attitude now, we are the masters now. In other words, what we say goes. And if you've got somebody like Johnson and people say the same about Liz Truss, that they have very fixed positions, they reach idiosyncratic ideas, and then they want them delivered. The civil, they can't do them on their own, but prime ministers can't make policy happen. They can devise policy, but you need civil servants to implement it.
7:18 Rory Stewart? And add the problem, which is that the civil servants feel cowed and terrified. So many, many departments, they're not putting up proper advice to ministers because they're terrified about putting in writing things that are going to get them attacked. A very toxic culture has been created where if ministers don't like what they read, they jump up and down and they say this is defeatist, this isn't echoing the messages we want. And the next thing you know, a few weeks later, they're saying, well, I don't like this briefing I've received, this is absolutely hopeless, you're not telling me anything. And the civil servant has to say, well, there's a reason why it's hopeless because if I actually wrote down on this bit of paper for the meeting that you're going into, Minister, the truth of the situation, my whole civil service department would go into a panic because
8:02 Rory Stewart? the whole thing is terrified by these very erratic, extreme views from some of the senior ministers.
8:08 Alastair Campbell? Do you think you should tell our listeners about the message you got from a senior diplomat about the Foreign Office's handling of our podcast?
8:16 Rory Stewart? Now, to be absolutely clear, this was a message I got some time ago. So this is not something which is anywhere-
8:23 Alastair Campbell? This is not a trust thing.
8:24 Rory Stewart? Is it not? And it's not-
8:26 Alastair Campbell? But it might be because she was the Foreign Secretary at the time.
8:28 Rory Stewart? And it was Foreign Secretary at the time, that's true, Foreign Secretary at the time, but definitely something I received before the current trip. So this is somebody writing saying, like half the country, I'm a fan of the tonic that is the rest is politics British diplomat. I thought I had to let you know, entirely unsourcable of course, that FCDO has blocked the podcast download on official phones on account of explicit content. God forbid we offended the diplomats.
8:56 Alastair Campbell? Is that because of the rating? Because I think because I occasionally use the F word, we apparently are, we are put down as not adult material, but it's kind of explicit, I think is the word. I, I didn't, you know, I read that message out on our Liz Truss podcast and something stopped me from reading the name of the person who sent it. And I'm very glad that I did because it turned out that they were a civil servant.
9:23 Alastair Campbell? So there's a lot of angry people out there. And I'll tell you the other thing I've noticed is I noticed is when I was at the Lido, this is not being seen as a new dawn, is it? I mean, people are just sort of, oh God, it's right. It's, there's no, there's no great love.
9:39 Rory Stewart? There are opportunities for a new dawn. I don't think Liz Truss is going to take them, but, but let's just take a moment here, just in, in the fantasy world in which Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart have any influence over events at all. Here's one, one, one thought that I had. So I'm traveling through Africa at the moment. I'm on my way to Kenya. But I have the inauguration, the election's been upheld. So William Ruto is about to be inaugurated as president. I was at the last inauguration, which I think I told you about where I got knocked at row back because a senior, well, actually not very senior Chinese official came in. I was considered much more important than I was. But I do think the more that I travel around Africa, the more I realize that Britain has an opportunity to lead the world in changing the way it does development assistance, the way it does aid.
10:25 Rory Stewart? African countries are completely fed up with the fact that they think of aid as very, very patronizing. Most senior African politicians that I meet remember being lectured in the 1960s and 70s. Remember the way in which development aid was used to try to humiliate and patronize African nations. They're looking for a new model and what they call a modern partnership.
10:50 Alastair Campbell? Is that not what the Chinese are doing though?
10:53 Rory Stewart? Well, you're quite right to come to that, and this is where I think we come in. We are right here, Britain and Africa is right at the front line of taking on China and Russia. And the message I put to Liz Truss is whatever you do, do not cut the development aid budget in places like Africa, because we have a real opportunity to make a modern partnership, which is not the Chinese and Russian partnership, one that differentiates itself. And I, of course, would argue that one element of that is trusting citizens in Africa by doing cash programs, giving them choice, giving them freedom on how they, not you and me turning up and telling people how to spend their money, but actually being really radical, setting up the beginnings of a welfare state.
11:38 Alastair Campbell? If you're going to use a second successive main podcast to promote your new job, about which we're all very, very happy, I'm going to jump forward and ask you one of the questions that we got this week, and I'm also then going to give you a couple of comments from the showers in the Lido, you'll be pleased to know. Stephen Finley, if we paid all residents of a village in cash and they all tried to buy a cow, how do we stop a cattle rancher with a few cows driving up prices? That's the first question. Jim Down, who's a doctor who swims in the Lido, he enjoyed hearing about your job and he enjoyed and he loved your passion and excitement about it. His question was, how do you sustain that? How do you give them a cash payment and then build sustainable prosperity?
12:21 Alastair Campbell? And Russell Hay, who is also a swimmer, and he's worried that you underestimate the broader economic impact, and he's also worried about how you assess this unless you have the middle people, the assessors that you actually say you want to get rid of by just giving them cash. So there you are, we talk about nothing but your new job.
12:41 Rory Stewart? That's incredibly kind. So just for listeners who haven't been keeping up, I've just taken over as the president, the sort of CEO of a charity called GiveDirectly.
12:50 Alastair Campbell? Yeah, get your title right.
12:52 Rory Stewart? Get it right. And so three challenges there. I'm not sure I can deal with all of them in a very short answer, but firstly, on inflation, very, very good research on this stuff, there have been over 200 academic papers on cash. And the truth is that. If you do stuff in one village, it doesn't have a big inflation impact on the country. In fact, the model is that unless you put about twenty percent of the gross domestic product to the country in as cash, you're unlikely to drive up prices. What will happen is that people will respond. You're right, somebody from a neighboring village will bring some cows over so they can be bought, but we don't end up with huge inflation in prices. Next, next challenge.
13:31 Alastair Campbell? Sustainability.
13:32 Rory Stewart? Yeah, sustainability. So there it's true that there will always be people in any country who are going to have to continue to receive social security payments. Be true in Britain, true in the United States, true in Africa. Africa's no different. There will be people who are disabled, elderly, and we have to set up in the end in countries as they develop something like a welfare state for people who can't look after themselves. But there are many, many people, the majority in fact, as the people who are currently living in extreme poverty, who are young, who are entrepreneurial, very, very young populations in Africa, for whom a lump sum cash payment gives them that opportunity to set up a business, to start trading. And it's remarkable, the data, been fantastic studies on this from Bangladesh through to
14:17 Rory Stewart? Africa, that pretty soon people end up with very significant savings, investments, incomes, because what's holding them back fundamentally?
14:24 Alastair Campbell? But there must be some who just go and blow it. There must be.
14:27 Rory Stewart? Yeah, yeah, definitely. There are definitely people who who go and blow it, as there are in our own country. But but it but it's true that, and we're, it's human beings, you're giving money to human beings. But generally speaking, if you're one of the very, very extreme poor, you're not that likely to blow it because you really understand much more than you or I do the value of money because every single dollar means to them what hundred or five hundred dollars would mean to us.
14:53 Alastair Campbell? Well, Stephen Finley can let us know whether he thought you answered the first part, and I will report back from Jim and Russell in the showers where we have these very elevated conversations.
15:02 Rory Stewart? These conversations in the showers. So I also love this sort of vision of your morning. So you you wake up in the morning at six thirty in the morning, is that right? And then you go for a swim in an outdoor pool. Is it heated?
15:14 Alastair Campbell? With Fiona, no, it's not heated. In fact, it's too warm at the moment. It's too muddery. We like it really, really cold.
15:19 Rory Stewart? Do you so do you go in the middle of winter? Are you like one of these kind of polar bear types?
15:23 Alastair Campbell? Yeah, through the winter, the colder the better.
15:25 Rory Stewart? And that's it's and and then to to get your blood pressure going, you then listen to Boris Johnson's resignation speech on your way home.
15:31 Alastair Campbell? Not not not every day. I mean, thankfully, there's only been the one resignation speech. His brother's actually his brother Joe is actually an irregular swimmer at the Lido. So we occasionally have polite conversations about politics. What about the way? So what about this? We talked a little bit about quasi quartet. What about James Cleverly? What do you know about James Cleverly?
15:53 Rory Stewart? James Cleverly, he was one of Boris Johnson's my my memory of him, I hope I'm getting this right, not being unfair to James. I think he was one of Boris Johnson's lieutenants when Boris Johnson was Mayor of London.
16:04 Rory Stewart? Served as deputy mayor for a bit. He, like me, did a a short course at Sandhurst, very short course at Sandhurst. And then I think was in the territorial army. He's interesting. I mean, so from a, I guess I think he he talks a lot about his background. It's quite an interesting background. One black parent, one white parent. He very, very proud of his military service. I mean, I like James, actually, I'm sort of skirting around the edges of this. I I wanted to tempt him to be my running mate when I ran for the leadership in 2019. And he quite sensibly threw in his lot with Boris Johnson, wouldn't have anything to do with me. Notwithstanding that slight grumble I have against him, the reason I did it is that he's actually he he's good at being funny. He talks normal better than most MPs.
16:49 Rory Stewart? He's quite quick on Twitter and he's a grown up. I mean, he's somebody who you could take into a meeting with a a senior foreign official and he'll be polite, he'll listen, he'll be thoughtful.
17:02 Alastair Campbell? Is he clever?
17:03 Rory Stewart? No, I don't think he's I don't think he he'd say that his big thing is is is that. I think what he is is a he's a sensible, thoughtful person. I think he's somebody who.
17:14 Alastair Campbell? Do you not? Do you not think that foreign secretaries, particularly in the world that you just defined, do you not think they need to be really clever? I really like clever.
17:20 Rory Stewart? You like really clever foreign secretaries, do you? Who's your favorite foreign secretaries?
17:24 Alastair Campbell? I I mean, I do think Robin Cook could be very, very tricky, but he was incredibly clever and smart, both politically and intellectually. I used to love Hans Dietrich Genscher.
17:35 Alastair Campbell? Do you remember with the yellow jumpers?
17:36 Rory Stewart? Yeah. And then there was this tradition of very grand Conservative foreign secretaries, wasn't there, going from Lord Carrington through to Douglas Heard?
17:43 Alastair Campbell? Douglas Heard.
17:44 Rory Stewart? Yeah.
17:44 Alastair Campbell? I think Douglas Heard was clever.
17:47 Rory Stewart? Well, of course, he was head boy at Eton, top scholar at Eton.
17:50 Alastair Campbell? Oh, my God. Oh, listen, we've done the diplomat. Shall we tell our listeners about about our other very distinguished listener who sent your message?
17:59 Rory Stewart? Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
17:59 Alastair Campbell? And I will let you, I will let you do the content of the said distinguished listener's message. And I will not say anything. I will let you present it at face value. And I actually thought he made quite a good case for himself.
18:10 Rory Stewart? Well, I, I thought it was very, very brave. So the head, head, headmaster of Eton has written in, as you, anyone who's not been following this too, I've had, obviously, anyone who listens to this knows that all that Alistair does is grumble about Eton all the time.
18:22 Alastair Campbell? No, it's not all I do. I do a lot of things.
18:25 Rory Stewart? So he says, he says, continuing, he's a very good, he's a very, he's a very game, the headmaster of Eton. Continuing to love the podcast. New role sounds fascinating. I heard your Q and A on Thursday, stuff about Eton, sending you a few bits and pieces to give you some more Eton partnership info and a copy of our recent inspection report.
18:43 Alastair Campbell? I think you should add the colour that he listened to the last episode of the podcast, driving to Middlesbrough. I thought that was quite interesting. He was driving to Middlesbrough.
18:52 Rory Stewart? It's good. So they're supporting new sixth forms and they're bidding under the government's free school programme. They're going to add significant top up funding, a million pounds per school per year in perpetuity to the government funding. Schools yet to be approved. And then there was some quite, quite nice articles. So Ian, Ian Austin, Labour MP, who I guess you know, you know Ian Austin, right?
19:14 Alastair Campbell? Ex Labour MP, now a peer appointed by Johnson, I think. But there was some, there were some Labour Council leaders who were giving their very positive remarks.
19:23 Rory Stewart? Yeah, Simon Henderson, who's the headmaster of Eton, is levelling up education in the North by helping young people in deprived areas get into the best universities. And the headline was Eton's woke headmaster deserves praise, not criticism. So, and actually, I think it's a sort of, maybe an attack on me, I don't know. He says, rather than briefing against the headmaster, says old Etonian detractors would do better. To focus on all he's doing.
19:47 Alastair Campbell? Yeah, so I just think I should let that I will doubtless come back to say all sorts of things about Eaton, but I think fair play to the headmaster of Eaton for listening to the podcast as he drives to one of these schools in a working class area of the north. Fair play to the headmaster of Eaton for challenging me for not being fair and fair play for setting out what he's doing. I still think that Eaton and Oxbridge are two of the reasons why this country is such a mess. But anyway.
20:14 Rory Stewart? But didn't you go to Oxbridge, Alistair?
20:17 Alastair Campbell? I did. I did. And that's why I can say as an insider that I'm not persuaded that it does all the good that it claims.
20:25 Rory Stewart? And that's all that amazing French and German we keep getting on the show. It's partly due to that Oxford education, isn't it? Maybe time for a break.
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22:38 Rory Stewart? And welcome back to The Rest Is Politics with me, Rory Stewart.
22:42 Alastair Campbell? And me, Alastair Campbell.
22:43 Rory Stewart? Tell us a bit about Chile, Biden, Trump. Any thoughts on what's happening internationally?
22:49 Alastair Campbell? Yeah, well, first of all, before, I just want to thank everybody who I got a lot of very, very nice messages from our listeners last week about me talking about my depressive episode, which has sort of lingered all week and I've it's rumbled on and off, but I just wanted to say we got some, I know you did as well. We've got some amazing people sharing their stories, people giving hope and solidarity. So I really want to say thank you for that. Chile was extraordinary this week. Absolutely extraordinary. If you think about it, there were, there was trouble in the streets. There was, there was real violence going on and because there were massive calls for constitutional change. Okay. And so Gabriel Boric, this young 36 now guy comes along.
23:33 Rory Stewart? Who we've all, we've spoken about, just to remind readers, but Gabriel Boric is this amazing
23:37 Alastair Campbell? Listeners, the people listen to podcasts.
23:39 Rory Stewart? Listeners, sorry.
23:39 Alastair Campbell? They read books and newspapers and magazines.
23:43 Rory Stewart? He's kind of a classic, kind of sort of out of central casting, student revolutionary, kind of big beard, casual clothes, became, you know, leader of his country at the age of 36, one of the youngest leaders in the entire world, came in on the back of introducing a radical, left-wing populist constitution and then over to Alastair for the denouement of the story.
24:03 Alastair Campbell? Well, it comes along and it really, and it was, it was done through a 155-member consultative assembly of non kind of traditional political people. They came up with these, mainly political newcomers, they came up with these. Very, very, very far wide ranging and pretty radical proposals across social rights, environmental rights, gender equality, parity in government, access to abortion, gay rights, pleural nationalism, recognizing the indigenous communities in Chile, access to education, health, clean water, animal rights. It was a huge thing. And I get, I fear it's one of those things where they just got carried away and put too much in and they gave too much
24:46 Alastair Campbell? for their opponents to to go at. And he ended, they ended up losing by sixty one point nine to thirty eight point one, which is pretty crushing. They're going to go back, they're going to, they're going to ask them to redo it and have another go. Because if they don't, they've still got Pinochet's constitution.
25:03 Rory Stewart? The whole thing is completely mad, isn't it? But it's also compulsory voting. So everybody, it's not like Brexit where people have a debate about what the majority of people thought. It's everybody voted and crushing sixty two percent of people voted against, which is really confusing for the new president. So he's elected on a manifesto for going to bring change. It's also a real reminder of why one doesn't want to do referendums. Remember, we were talking about this in relation to Colombia, where again, celebrity, you know, great Nobel Peace Prize winning president comes in, does this peace deal, presents the referendum on the peace deal to the people and things rejected.
25:37 Alastair Campbell? They had, they had a referendum in twenty twenty on whether there should be a new constitution and it passed by eighty percent. So they won that one, then he won an election and then he comes in and they'd be absolutely trans. But it was the other thing that was amazing. This is why I think that, you know, we, we, when, when people hear our interview with Mark Drakeford and we talk about the, the importance of some of these constitutional questions, to see those massive crowds, really huge crowds out on the streets of Chile, campaigning one way or the other on these big constitutional questions. I actually found it incredibly exciting. And I, and I think they'll come, I think they will come back with something. No, I think Biden Trump's worth mentioning just because of, I think, Biden's speech.
26:22 Alastair Campbell? About, you know, they're both basically made speeches last week saying that this we're now fighting for the soul of America and it sort of does feel like that. And I thought it was very interesting that Biden, I think for the first time, went very, very directly for Donald Trump as the cause of this absolute polarization and the, you know, they obviously fear the, for the future of American democracy. It's a big moment.
26:46 Rory Stewart? It's pretty, pretty serious stuff, isn't it? Pretty serious stuff. Well, thank you guys very, very much. A bit of a short episode today because we've been doing an enormous number of different, different things and-
26:58 Alastair Campbell? We can't, we can't leave without plugging Blackpool, Roy, and I've got an idea. I've got an idea.
27:02 Rory Stewart? Yeah. So this just remind people, Winter Gardens, Blackpool, huge, biggest venue Alistair and I have ever played, Saturday 8th of October.
27:08 Alastair Campbell? Well, it might be the biggest you ever played. I have actually played bigger, Roy, but don't worry.
27:11 Rory Stewart? Actually, I've done, I've done the Albert Hall, actually.
27:12 Alastair Campbell? Oh, you've done that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Saturday 8th of October, 8pm. I think we've, we've pretty much sold out the bottom bit, but we've now got to go up to the top bit. But what my idea was, Blackpool Illuminations, I mean, I know we've got an energy crisis, but apparently the Blackpool Illuminations are on and they're free. So people should go to Blackpool to see the illuminations for free and then come and pay to see us. What a great idea that is.
27:35 Rory Stewart? Actually, Blackpool is a very, very great place to visit. If you've not visited Blackpool, you must visit Blackpool as well as coming to hear the two of us.
27:42 Alastair Campbell? At the Winter Gardens, which you could Google to get access to the tickets that we made because they're going very, very fast.
27:48 Rory Stewart? All right. Well, thank you everybody very much. See some of you at Blackpool and thank you, Alistair.
27:52 Alastair Campbell? Thank you. See you again soon.
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