#2342 - Jim Norton

Jim Norton is a comic, actor, broadcast personality, and host of the podcast “Jim Norton Can’t Save You.” He also co-hosts “Sword Fight with Nikki and Jim Norton," and "UFC Unfiltered." Watch his new special, “Unconceivable,” on YouTube.https://www.youtube.com/@JimNortonComedyhttps://www.jimnorton.com This episode is brought to you by Visible. Join now at https://visible.com/rogan Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:02Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  What the fuck am I gonna put this up?

• 0:15Joe Rogan?

  Right, like, what are you gonna do with it?

• 0:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I should've thrown it out, but I'm just, I feel like if somebody put effort into it and gave it to me, just keep it.

• 0:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I know. Well, that's how I wound up with this fucking snake on the desk. This is from...

• 0:30Joe Rogan?

  This, during the entire podcast, Harland Williams had this in his pants, and he was saying that he had a, he got a worm. And he named his worm Dmitri, and at the end of the podcast, he pulls it out, "Ugh", and then he got such a fucking kick out of the fact that it was still on the desk when I interviewed Trump.

• 0:50Speaker 01

  I hope he explained where it came from.

• 0:51Joe Rogan?

  I didn't say shit.

• 0:52Speaker 01

  This president, hold that.

• 0:53Joe Rogan?

  I didn't say anything.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  I think it's funny, because when you said that, I'm like, "Who gave that to you? Is that a seven-year-old in Mr. Harland Williams?" "All right, it works out perfect." That feels correct.

• 1:02Joe Rogan?

  He is so unique.

• 1:03Speaker 01

  He is, and I forgot he was in Something About Mary.

• 1:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07Speaker 01

  Which is literally one of the funniest movies ever made.

• 1:09Joe Rogan?

  Ever.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  And I watched him again, I'm like, "God damn, I wish I was in that. I wish I had one line in that movie."

• 1:14Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right. That was one, well, the Farley brothers, they're the best. They have some bangers, man. You know, Kingpin?

• 1:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, Bill Murray.

• 1:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God. Oh, my God. You don't like them?

• 1:24Speaker 01

  No, no, they're fine. I just, I'm so used to, I hate my own voice, and hearing it come back. It's like, I've been doing radio for 20 years, and I still don't like to listen to my own fucking voice.

• 1:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, you used to do one. You used to do the one-ear thing.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  But I saw Rich Voss, like, too many times I've seen clips of Voss, and he just does that, and I'm like, "Do I look like that? Have I looked like that for two decades?" I'm like, "Fucking Rich, put it on or take it off."

• 1:46Joe Rogan?

  I like one ear.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  He just likes one ear open.

• 1:49Joe Rogan?

  I like it on one ear.

• 1:50Speaker 01

  I firmly believe that's some kind of like a, a, a childhood, like, a, a defense thing. Like, there was something fishy that happened in childhood where you wanted to just kind of somehow stay present.

• 2:00Joe Rogan?

  Always be aware.

• 2:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02Joe Rogan?

  You might get attacked.

• 2:03Speaker 01

  Somebody fumbled, yeah, somebody fumbled around, and I just, gotta keep my ears open.

• 2:07Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, that's a thing, though. A lot of people like one ear on. It's not uncommon.

• 2:11Speaker 01

  You feel, when you have both ears covered, I just feel like I'm lost and I'm not in the room. And it's, it's, I guess I've gotten a little bit better with it, but just now, I'm like, wow, I really, uh, I can't hear.

• 2:23Joe Rogan?

  I always feel like I'm just fully locked in, you know, I don't hear anything else. I don't hear any distractions. Yeah, I like the headphones on. I like to be locked in.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do, but I just feel like, it feels like I'm underwater sometimes. I don't, I went in for an MRI. I just go for them like once a year.

• 2:39Joe Rogan?

  Do you? Just for the fuck of it?

• 2:41Speaker 01

  I, I want to, yeah, I'm getting older and I'm like, you know, I wanna fucking make sure I'm good, like make sure there's no lumps or anything. And they give you those shitty headphones and I'm so claustrophobic, I'm, I'm laying there and I'm terrified.

• 2:53Joe Rogan?

  And the noise.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  Being married prepares you for that.

• 3:02Joe Rogan?

  You get good at blocking out.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  Oh my god, you feel claustrophobic, there's a loud noise, you wanna kill yourself, yeah.

• 3:08Joe Rogan?

  My wife will be in full conversation with me, I have no idea what she said. I'm just fully blocked it out.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, how many things have I agreed to?

• 3:16Speaker 01

  Because I want her to shut up.

• 3:16Joe Rogan?

  I told you about it the other day, I'm like, you did? I don't wanna argue, I'm like, I forgot.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm sorry, I just.

• 3:22Joe Rogan?

  I'll tell you.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  But it's, I asked the guy, he goes, you want music? And I'm like, yeah, I'll have, I'm like, play rock, just rock. And he was fucking like, he didn't speak English that well, so he started playing the Rocky theme song over and over. I actually bailed out and got out of the machine, I couldn't finish.

• 3:40Joe Rogan?

  Because you couldn't hear the song anymore?

• 3:41Speaker 01

  No, I just was too freaked out, I'm like, this guy's not hearing me, I'm squeezing that fucking ball they give you. It's awful, so he had to take me out, um, and I'm like, I'll go back in, he goes, no, we'll have to start over. Cause once, apparently in MRI, like, you have to be in the same position. So I just, I said, fuck it, they did my whole body and they just, they couldn't finish with the brain, I was just like, I'm done, I'm out.

• 4:02Joe Rogan?

  Your brain's fine, you don't wanna look in there anymore.

• 4:05Speaker 01

  I hope not. No, I don't really wanna see what's going on in there. No, no, no, just a little blond haired boy.

• 4:10Joe Rogan?

  Wires are crossed the wrong way.

• 4:13Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if you could look into your brain and see your memories, like whoa.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Eventually. I mean, Black Mary did an episode of that where you're like, I love how they keep the technology simple, where you're just kind of scrolling through something and they can like see all the the memories and you'll eventually be able to to do that. I mean.

• 4:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, eventually we'll have a hard drive in our head.

• 4:33Speaker 01

  I would do it too. I like, I would absolutely link up, uh, we, I think we talked about Ray Kurzweil, who talks about like, uh, singularity. I still think his timeframe is wishful thinking. He thinks by like 2045, right?

• 4:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  He'll be in his like 90s, so I think he's just trying to hope it happens.

• 4:50Joe Rogan?

  He might be right. That makes sense. 20 years from now? Yeah, I think that's correct.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  I hope so.

• 4:56Joe Rogan?

  I, I think everything's moving in exponential pace and I think, you know, if you just look at what's happening with AI, AI 10 years ago was non-existent. You never heard anything about it. And now everybody uses it on their phone all the time.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  I use it. Um, my wife's obsessed with it, which is irritating because she like literally will just talk to it. And so I'm like, all right, let me try it and see. But it's great if like you get an error message on your computer, like what does fucking Mac, uh, error 1101 mean? And then you add it and it actually tells you in a very comprehensive way what that error message means. It's better than Googling something.

• 5:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:30Speaker 01

  So I'm using it for that.

• 5:31Joe Rogan?

  It's great for a lot of things. Kids are using it though, unfortunately for like term papers and shit and they're getting busted. Because AI knows when it's AI, so they just run the paper into AI and AI goes, oh yeah, AI made that.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, that's, that's my work. That sucks. But I mean, it's good for, uh, for looking things up. Right now I'm just using it as a better Google, but when I attach it to my brain, no, uh, cause I was in it the other day and it said, we detected suspicious activities. So they wanted me to log in. Maybe because I had a VPN or something. Cause in Texas, you can't jerk off without a fucking VPN. They want your license to watch porn.

• 6:05Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 6:06Speaker 01

  Oh, it sucks.

• 6:07Joe Rogan?

  It's uh, we're protecting children. Too fucking late. First of all, as if kids don't know about VPNs, they all do.

• 6:15Speaker 01

  And it's also one of those things where I get you don't want your kids to watch porn, that's fine. And it's a lot harder, it was harder when I was a child to get, you had to find like magazines in the woods.

• 6:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  Um, but I meant the smell of those old shitty magazines and you'd find them and fucking hot, it was the best. But now if I had it on my phone or I had the availability, I mean, my sex addiction would have been even worse. So I guess why, I get why they wanna protect kids.

• 6:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's gotta be fucking kids up. It's not just that, but the violence that they see. You see so much violence. I see way more violence now than I've ever seen in my whole life. Way more murders and car accidents and animal attacks and. I see, Tom Segura and I have this horrible text thread. We text each other the worst shit we find every day. We're trying to freak each other out and we've been doing it for years. And so it's just, my algorithm is fucked.

• 7:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's.

• 7:02Joe Rogan?

  It's just fucked.

• 7:03Speaker 01

  Do you, there's, there's certain sites and I never promote the site just because it's like, ah, it's just too gruesome, but there's one site I go to. Where you can do everything, there'd be headings and I would look at this stuff before bed. And I don't know why, I, I wouldn't enjoy seeing it, but I would look at it and it just gives you some kind of a weird, horrible. Feeling, but there's certain things I can't watch at this point, like I can't watch people burning anymore. That's a rough way to go. Yeah, yeah, at one point, oh, burning for all the rape. I can't watch them anymore, you know, it's old hat.

• 7:34Joe Rogan?

  That's such a crazy thing to say, I can't watch people burning anymore. I'm just, I'm all burnt out.

• 7:38Speaker 01

  It bothered me. It was, it got to a point where I could, I can't see beheadings anymore. Like, there was a point where I could watch them and just. Almost watched detached, but now I just, it's too.

• 7:48Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember the journalist, it was like.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  Daniel Pearl?

• 7:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was like the first, but the cameraman panicked and kind of. Came off him a little bit and, and so they didn't, uh, it was kind of, they showed it, but that was the first one.

• 8:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  And then that guy they called Jihad John, who was like, uh, cause he was British, and they eventually caught him. Um, I forget the other people he did, but it was like certain contractors and stuff. That they would, they would put in those orange jumpsuits to mimic Guantanamo and they would. Just gruesome shit, man, really gruesome shit.

• 8:19Joe Rogan?

  Gruesome shit.

• 8:19Speaker 01

  And it does fuck you up.

• 8:20Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  I don't know what it does. Uh, but it fucks you up. Like, I don't know how it messes me up, but it definitely is not healthy.

• 8:28Joe Rogan?

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• 11:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, knowing it exists and seeing it. And then I'm always like, well, I like watching, I can still watch car accidents because it's tangible. Like a car accident is a tangible thing. Like if you're not careful and you drive like an asshole, this is what happens to you.

• 11:41Joe Rogan?

  Or if someone's driving like an asshole and you're not paying attention, you gotta be aware of everybody.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  Right. So I try not to text and drive anymore. I remember one time I was doing a gig and I was in full sex addict mode and fucking Sam Roberts, he was still an intern at that point, came with me because Kenny was busy. So Sam came to help me sell merchandise. And I remember he was, I think I, did I let him, I drove, but he was in the passenger seat and I was just dirty talk texting the whole way home because I couldn't text and drive because he was in the car. And I was like, I can't get fucking, I can't be texting some woman and kill the intern. That would just be a lawsuit waiting to happen. So it's like the texting and driving thing I've kind of backed off of.

• 12:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, that's what Apple CarPlay is for, you know?

• 12:22Speaker 01

  No.

• 12:23Joe Rogan?

  You don't do that?

• 12:24Speaker 01

  Fuck dude, the idea of, I did that one time. I connected my phone. To a BMW X6. My girlfriend at the time, my ex-girlfriend, came with me to the dealership. And the guy is telling me, "Oh, you should connect your phone." And I do, and my fucking phone, my, uh, my phone book, my contact list comes up.

• 12:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  And one of the girls, you know, I put where how I knew her. And it was like a domination fantasy. So that came up, her name, and domination fantasy came up on that little window in the X6. And I'm like, "I'll never connect anything to my car again." There's just, just too much going on.

• 13:01Joe Rogan?

  Just change the name.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  I mean, I mean, how much time do I have to go back and change all the names?

• 13:06Joe Rogan?

  Change the name to like, "Personal trainer."

• 13:10Speaker 01

  But that's another code word.

• 13:12Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't have to be.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  I got busted one time talking dirty. I was texting dirty and the girl, the escort's name came up on my phone. I mean, it was like one of those names that cannot be like a regular person. So I ran, my girlfriend was fucking screaming at me in the car. She's like, "Who the fuck is that?" And I'm like, "It's fucking Anthony." I'm like, "I have a code word for Anthony in case I ever lose my phone." So I had to run up into the bathroom and just like, my fingers were shaking and change it to Anthony. And I came in 15 minutes later. I'm like, "See, it's Anthony." But it was, by then, it was like, "You blew it, Jim. You got caught." So I don't connect anything, even though I don't, I'm not, you know, fucking anybody else. I still don't, I don't trust it. I don't, I don't connect anything to my car.

• 13:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, your phone is listening anyway. Mine is for sure. Mine, I, I've come to grips with the fact that everything that I text is getting read.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 13:58Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. No questions.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  Through the ads?

• 14:01Joe Rogan?

  Including like, stuff that's on Signal. You know, Tucker told me that. He said that the Sig, they found his, uh, the government knew that he was gonna meet Putin. Cause they read his signal. And he's like, "I didn't even know that that was possible."

• 14:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, is that the one that they got, they got caught using in the defense chat, Signal?

• 14:20Joe Rogan?

  But that was because there was another guy in the Signal chat that I think someone let in the Signal chat on purpose.

• 14:26Speaker 01

  Was it on purpose, or do you think it was one of those things where you fuck up? And you just like, you know how you, you'll send something and a, and a predictive text, like, name comes up? And you just hit, like, if I'm gonna text you and I accidentally J O and all of a sudden it's Joe DeRosa comes up, yeah. And I, I just send him?

• 14:41Joe Rogan?

  I've done that before, but this was a giant group of people that are in the Defense Department. How do you include a reporter in that?

• 14:48Speaker 01

  That's a terrible mistake.

• 14:50Joe Rogan?

  That doesn't make any sense.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  My ex-publicist was badmouthing me to somebody and she actually sent it to me by mistake.

• 14:56Joe Rogan?

  What did she say about you?

• 14:57Speaker 01

  It wasn't an overt, it was one of those things where we weren't working together anymore. And I was doing Neil Brennan's podcast. And like, you know, blocks where you talk about all these things that blocked. And she said something about like, oh, well Norton's on three blocks already, no shock. It was just, it was some comment that was not complimentary. And then it was like, oh, sorry, I meant that for him. And I just kinda left it there. I'm like, I got it. I knew you didn't like me, that's why I left you. Your own publicists hate your guts, it's a fucking-

• 15:25Joe Rogan?

  Publicists can be such a problem. They're so incompatible with people that are wild.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  Yes, because all they want to do is, they have to paint it in a way that's palatable to everybody. Like, I understand that, it's a hard job and you have some fucking asshole who's out trying to get laid.

• 15:41Joe Rogan?

  Especially like a guy like you, or someone who says wild things, you know? It's like, that's part of the fun of being you.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  Yes, but it also comes back and it, here's where it's negative. I do, on YouTube I have the podcast and I'm trying to do podcast ads. I've never, you know, I never bought ads on YouTube before. But I'm like, it doesn't buy you views, it just puts it like where people will see it and if they like it, they click on it. Every one of my ads gets shot down. They accuse me of election advertising in the United States. I put up an ad and they said this violates election advertising and I didn't even know how to respond to that.

• 16:15Joe Rogan?

  What was the ad?

• 16:17Speaker 01

  It might have been, I had George Santos on, but it was, it was just a funny podcast.

• 16:21Joe Rogan?

  That guy's hilarious.

• 16:22Speaker 01

  Dude, he was fucking, he told me how bad Jerry Nadler smelled. Cause I asked him, "What's the worst breath in Congress?" And he wouldn't answer, but he told me the worst body odor was Jerry Nadler. It was just funny. This is funny.

• 16:33Joe Rogan?

  He's a character.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  He is.

• 16:35Joe Rogan?

  It's just amazing that he was a congressman.

• 16:37Speaker 01

  I know, I have a real affection, you know how it is when you meet somebody, it's like, they're always more human when you meet them and it's harder to not like somebody? Like, I don't agree with Lauren Boebart, but I met her and she couldn't have been nicer. And I'm like, I can't dislike her, she was nice to me, you know? So whenever you meet someone, and I had him over and he was great, he was funny, a sense of humor about himself and he was shit talking and catty and I was like, fuck, I love this guy. But they accused me of election advertising, so now so many times I've tried to put ads after and they continually say it's either shocking content or election advertising.

• 17:08Joe Rogan?

  They're just targeting you.

• 17:09Speaker 01

  They're just targeting me. It's like, how are you supposed to advertise comedy?

• 17:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  With with some profanity in it, if it's shocking content.

• 17:16Joe Rogan?

  How was that election? I mean, he's not even running for anything.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  And it wasn't, it wasn't a political, uh, rally podcast at all. It was just us talking about what happened. And we chatted politics, but I don't, I don't push political views on people.

• 17:29Joe Rogan?

  They've got you labeled right wing, which is kinda funny.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  Isn't it? It really is.

• 17:33Joe Rogan?

  It is so funny.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  And the people don't know what to, like, the conservatives, it's so funny, people come see me from Gutfeld. See, I do Gutfeld a lot, and, and his people will come see me, and it's just fun when I talk about my wife to watch the joy drain out of their faces.

• 17:45Joe Rogan?

  They find out it's a trans woman.

• 17:47Speaker 01

  Oh, we had no idea. That's not the type of Tucker we like, buddy.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  They get very, uh, it's a very weird place to be.

• 17:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  People who like my humor don't necessarily like my personal life, and people who like my personal life don't necessarily like my humor. It's a weird, I guess,

• 18:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  if, if nobody feels like you're a hundred percent in, in with them, they, they don't know what to make of you.

• 18:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, you were saying that about Oliver Anthony, and that I wasn't aware of, that he was getting in trouble, apparently right after Richmond, North of Richmond came out, that people were saying he wasn't really conservative.

• 18:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, they, they were giving him shit about saying like, oh, he's not who we thought he was. Meanwhile, he writes this great song, and people love it, and, and they, they look at his art and they love his art, but because he feels a little bit differently, a lot of people turned on him, and it was like, what, what are you?

• 18:35Joe Rogan?

  I wasn't even aware of that at all.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:37Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know, well, do you know what the subject was?

• 18:41Speaker 01

  I don't remember if they, if he had said something after it, or if they went back and found out things he had said prior, that they felt like his politics didn't line up. It's almost like when they got mad about, uh, uh, fucking Dylan Mulvaney, like, needing to connect to the belief system of somebody who drinks the same beverage is just such fucking psychotic. Thank you. Then again, I've drank piss, so I don't expect a whole lot of people to line up politically, and rally behind me with the fucking yellow flags.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  I just don't care. I don't give a fuck. I don't care who, who believes it, or like, I don't care, like, what the, I, I mean, I'm, I'm a fucking Sabbath fan. I don't give a shit who those guys vote for. It's, it's so.

• 19:22Joe Rogan?

  So stupid.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  Inconsequential to me.

• 19:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's just a symptom of this bizarrely disconnected society, where everybody's.

• 19:31Joe Rogan?

  So separated.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  It is, and you got it, it's gotta be driving you crazy, or, or maybe you detach from it, cuz you see things, I mean, I know you, so I'll see them say like, he's this right where, and I'm like, you guys don't really know Joe, it's, it's like, it's, they don't, to see yourself painted in such a way, has gotta be at one point frustrating, and then you have to just let it go, right?

• 19:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta let it go, but when, when I, I mean, the most frustrating thing was seeing it on CNN, I was like, okay, you, so, this thing that I thought was the news forever.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:57Joe Rogan?

  Now I know you're not accurate at all, cuz you're, you're attacking me, and you're painting me in this very bizarre light because it's convenient for you.

• 20:06Speaker 01

  There is a weird thing, and maybe this is again, cuz I'm in my 50s, and I remember like, thinking the news was real and accurate, cuz I, you remember Walter Cronkite and all that shit? And it's, I, it's this constant sense of disappointment, like, fuck, like, they're really not what I, like, I'm still an idiot who believes in like, the, the adults, and they're gonna do the right thing.

• 20:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  And it just constantly is a confirmation that, yeah, they are, they're liars, they're fucking biased liars.

• 20:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and they're paid to lie, they're just propagandists, that, that's what the news, the mainstream news is, I mean, there's real news now.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 20:39Joe Rogan?

  You can get the real news from Glenn Greenwald, you can get the real news from Matt Taibbi, there's a few people out there that'll give you unbiased news, but it's so funny, like, even them, you know, when they will highlight a very particular thing that maybe Trump did, or someone did on the right, and everybody attacks them, it's like, do, do you want them to lie?

• 20:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:58Joe Rogan?

  Just cuz you, you, you want your team to be infallible, like, what do you, what do you want?

• 21:02Speaker 01

  And Glenn Greenwald, I, I had never heard of him, I, I don't really follow a lot of like, what people are saying, I don't watch debates, but I obviously heard about him when that vi- video came out, and I saw, uh, and I loved how he handled that.

• 21:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he handled it great.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  Privacy invasions are so fucking disgusting.

• 21:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  They're disgusting when they're done to anybody, I don't care how much you hate the guy's guts, but I was, I was like, I don't even know who this guy is, but I like how he addressed that, like, yeah, it's my private life, and tough shit, you know, I, I kind of, I liked that he handled that, I thought, very, very, uh, he took it head on, and...

• 21:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, Jon Ronson talked about that in his book, You've Been Publicly Shamed.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 21:37Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, if you're not ashamed, then it doesn't work, and that's the reality of it, and Glenn handled it perfectly, he's not ashamed.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, or, well, you can't let them see you're ashamed, cuz I'm, you know, I, I wake up and just dipped in it.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  I fucking, the first thing I think of, "Good morning, shame."

• 21:54Joe Rogan?

  But that's, you're open about it, though. I mean, that's the thing. It's like, they can't really attack you for something that you're attacking yourself for.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  Yes, and if you tell them, like, I did something, like, I, it's so, it's so, I watched, I, my special premiered, and I went into YouTube and I watched it with people, as they were watching, and just commenting and talking, and this horrible feeling of shame. Even when people are being nice, I can't get away from how embarrassed I am. At like, it's almost like when people see you doing something, you're like, "Oh, Jimmy's trying. Look at little Jimmy trying."

• 22:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  And I was typing back and everything, but it was, it's so anti-what-feels-good-for-me-to-do. Even when people are being nice, I find it horrifying and humiliating. I don't know where that comes from, but I kinda wish I didn't have it.

• 22:39Joe Rogan?

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• 23:19Joe Rogan?

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• 24:02Joe Rogan?

  I've never seen it develop. I want to see the thing. But when you're doing it, you're aware of everything. You're aware of all the edits you've made. You're aware of all the different ways you've done it.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:13Joe Rogan?

  Your way of when you're trying to sell it a little too much and you're not in the moment, you know, like. There's all the grossness that you see that other people aren't going to see where you're like, ew.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  It's fucking.

• 24:24Joe Rogan?

  I hate watching myself.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  Dude, it was so hard. It was so hard not to just attack myself in the chat. Like all I wanted to do is watch it and go, this fucking boo sucks. Nice, nice blinking fifty-six year old.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  But I didn't do it. I'm like, don't be a fucking, I think it was Jay Okerson was doing something and he did his special and he shot it at Skank Fest one year. And I think Louis took him out and they were looking at the stage before and I was one of those guys like, you know, Jay is just like, oh, he's a fucking. Oh, fuck it. I think Louis goes, you know, sometimes I know we're like that, but you just got to enjoy it like. Once and I thought of that. I'm like, sometimes just enjoy, things are going okay.

• 25:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  You're happy with what you did. I love the special. I love the material. Don't. Put yourself in a position where you're like, you fucking suck. Like, it doesn't have to be that way.

• 25:09Joe Rogan?

  Just put it out there and walk away from it. Leave it alone. Let people decide what they decide. And if you don't like it, you just work on the next one and make sure that you don't make the same mistakes twice.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:22Joe Rogan?

  That's it. That's all you can do.

• 25:23Speaker 01

  But I spent a lot of time, like I, I, I wouldn't, I, I don't think I've ever loved anything as I put it out. This I like more, but the older you get, the better you get. So it's like a little easier now than it was.

• 25:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  First Tonight Show I did, uh, was two thousand and four. And I, I was out in LA and I, there was my buddy Joey Silveira, who worked for Evil Angel and would film a lot of the greatest porn. Joey was a fucking, you'd recognize him if you saw him. He was in old movies. So I went to his house to watch my first Tonight Show. With another guy, this other guy, Brandon Iron.

• 25:52Speaker 01

  And I went to the basement while they watched upstairs. I couldn't watch it in front of other people.

• 25:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's hilarious.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  It was just, and it's not to be because I think I'm an artist. It's just humiliating.

• 25:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  Fucking, it's embarrassing.

• 26:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  Cause I feel like I'm like, are you gonna laugh? Like I just, I don't want people to feel pressured to laugh.

• 26:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  Because I'm around.

• 26:10Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. It's weird watching yourself.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Some guys can do it, though.

• 26:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're psychos.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  They are fucking psychopaths.

• 26:16Joe Rogan?

  They're probably not healthy.

• 26:18Speaker 01

  Oh, my god, dude, the fuck, do you know what mental illness you need to sit someone down next to you when you're special?

• 26:23Joe Rogan?

  How about people that want you to watch their thing and they want to sit there with you, like, hey, watch this? And you're like, I don't, I don't, I don't want this.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  It's, it's, it's, it puts you in a weird, if I, if I do an acting role, I don't love acting, um, which is great because nobody loves when I do it. It works out nicely, but if I do something I like, I have to see it first and I have to watch it and go, okay, I'm not embarrassed by this. I can go and watch it in the, in a premiere, like, you know what I mean, like, I, I have to see it first to know if I'm going to feel humiliated.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  The Irishman I didn't see first, obviously Scorsese is not going to send me a fucking cut, and I didn't know I made it until like, literally the, the night before. But that was different because I'm like, I don't care how, whatever, it was just, it was a stand-up performance, so.

• 27:03Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  A little bit easier than.

• 27:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  It's humiliating.

• 27:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's gross. I don't like any of it. I, I want, I've been in a couple of movies, I've refused to go to the red carpet. I sneak in through the back. I'm like, they were like, I want you to walk the red carpet. I'm like, nope.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  Is it because you don't like, because everyone would talk to you, I'm afraid no one's going to talk to me on the red carpet. Like, it's, it's, do you know how embarrassing it is when you, you hear that person who walks you through in the front? And like, you're, you're standing there ready for your moment and you hear her going, oh, Jim Norton. And then what, you'll hear a second and then she goes, Jim Norton, comedian? And I was like, oh, fuck, they have no idea who I am. It's just humiliating. So I don't like doing it, man.

• 27:42Joe Rogan?

  But I just don't like the attention. I don't like standing there while they take pictures, just standing there, just looking around. Look at me, Joe, look at me, look at me, look at me.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Over here, over here.

• 27:51Joe Rogan?

  Some people love it. Actresses love it. They pose, they like, give you their good side.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, yeah.

• 28:00Joe Rogan?

  Give you a little, their practice in the mirror.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  But I almost understand that. I have more tolerance for actors who love it because even though they're as big of, you know, attention idiots as we are, they don't get the constant feedback. Like, for them, it's their night of feedback.

• 28:15Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  Whereas with us, we're like, I mean, I've been on a run for like four nights. Before I came here, actually, at the Cellar, I had four like shit nights in a row. Just, all the material I'm doing now is new, so it's like, I'm trying this, and you know, it just feels like you're Frankenstein-ing it. It's not there yet. Uh, but I know I'm gonna have another night, and another night. And that comes and goes quickly, but actors, they have like one night to stand there and smile, and then they just get attacked in the fucking, in the comments, or in the reviews. So I'm a little more tolerant of them than comedians who, because comedians who love that, it's like, how much fucking attention do you need, dude?

• 28:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  You constantly get feedback.

• 28:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you should be shying away from feedback. Too much feedback is bad for you. I really believe that.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  A hundred percent. And I stopped, I stopped reading Twitter comments. Occasionally, I'll do it now. And it wasn't just to say I wasn't reading them, it was because even positive feedback, I'm like, you needy fuck. How much, how much, you know, how many taps on the shoulder do you need? How many like, "Good job, Jim," or "You suck." Like, how much interaction from people do you need? It's not normal, it's not healthy.

• 29:19Joe Rogan?

  I stopped reading almost everything, even stuff that's not me. And I stopped a couple of weeks ago. I just stopped going on social media. I will occasionally, if someone sends me something funny, I'll watch it, but then I get off my phone right away. I just, and I think, uh, my new phone number that I'm gonna get, I'm not gonna have any social media. I'm just gonna keep my old phone number and only use that for social media. I just don't think it's good for you.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  It's not. And although there's times, like, my algorithm, I'm obsessed with, I think we talked about just Japanese Hornets and a lot of MMA. Like, my algorithm is healthier now than it would be. Uh, there's still a few things that will pop up, um, that, you know, show what I've been looking at. Like, if my wife is next to me, she'll see what I'm looking at. I'm like, oh, no, it's just, you know. You know how it is.

• 29:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  You go down a rabbit hole you probably shouldn't go down. But it's not as unhealthy as it would have been at one point. Like, a lot of it is just MMA stuff and, and, and animals and nice shit.

• 30:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I get a lot of that. A lot of it's people getting knocked out.

• 30:13Speaker 01

  You like the knocked out? I like watching Jiu-Jitsu tips. Because then I'll bring them in and ask the guy to show me, like, how do you, is it possible to do this? And he'll kind of show me, and I'll just forget it, but it's, it's fun.

• 30:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've got a lot of that, too. But it's just, I just think it's a giant waste of time. And it's also, your brain needs time to just think. And you need time to just be in your own head and think about your own thoughts and trying to formulate them properly, really like get an under like, why do I think this way? What is, what is it about this that is that I've decided is correct?

• 30:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:45Joe Rogan?

  And roll it around and when you're constantly looking at other people's thoughts, I just don't think it gives you much time for that.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  That's exactly it. Why do I think what I think?

• 30:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  Hitchens did a great speech, it was in Toronto about free speech and one of the things he was talking about is when somebody says something that you don't agree with. I think the example he gave was Holocaust denial. He goes, you have to protect that person's speech because i- if nothing else, it makes you examine, okay, well, how do I know what I know? How do I know other than someone told me like, you have to kind of examine how you come to your own conclusions and I do that a lot, like in the shower, I'll just kind of stand there. It's really like, we all have a weird showering method. I just kind of stand there with my hands like this, bizarre, womb like, and I just stand there and I think or I go through arguments or I go through conversations or debates. And that's the one time I really get to, to think during the day where I don't let anything else interfere.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  But being off social media is probably a lot healthier. Just again, it's other people's thoughts. Who ca- I don't care what people think, I don't know why I read it.

• 31:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, I care what people think, but I don't care enough to have that intervene and invade my thoughts all day long. I mean, I'm fascinated by people, but I like to talk to them for real, for real, like this.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:59Joe Rogan?

  This is like, you know, because I, I think that's also having a podcast and having what I think is the best way to communicate with people and to be able to be so lucky to be able to do it all the time. I think I get plenty of other people's input.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  Right. And you get the, the real opinions and you get to, you sense up in a room with a person, again, it's, it's harder to dislike or to, or to caricature somebody when you've met them and when you've actually sat with them. It's like, nah, I, I know this person, I kind of felt their energy and it's like, they're just a regular person. It's easy when you look at somebody to hate their guts.

• 32:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  And I bashed a few people. It was always so embarrassing, we would do Jocktober and, uh, you know, O N A never went into other people's studios, but I would. And I'd be on the road and it was the fucking, I was in Boston with Kenny one time, he's like, uh, they're having you in, but you Jocktobered them? And I was like, oh. So I went in and you know, you, you, you just go there like, yeah, you really, uh, and I'm like, eh, man, it was just something we do, but you have, you face it and you realize, yeah, they're nice guys. It was just, it's a dumb radio show. I had fun. And I've actually become friendly with a couple of guys who we used to attack, but you only get that through meeting somebody and actually talking to them while I want.

• 33:10Joe Rogan?

  The worst is when you meet someone and you have a conversation with them and you're cool. You think, oh, we're good. And then they'll go and talk shit about you somewhere else and completely mischaracterize you.

• 33:20Speaker 01

  Have you had that?

• 33:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, I've had that. Yeah, that's embarrassing. That's sad.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  It feels bad.

• 33:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it's just like, okay, well, I'll never talk to you again because I know that you do this now.

• 33:31Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 33:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and but it's also, it's like, why are you doing that? Generally, it's when I had a conversation with them and it didn't go well for them.

• 33:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:40Joe Rogan?

  So they'll, then they just harbor that thing and then they just fucking stew it in their head and then they just mischaracterize you and try to twist you around because they're trying to win this argument they already lost.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 33:51Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's like, you know, when you get in an argument, you, you didn't have anything to say and then you're in the shower, you're like, ah, I should have said this. I should have said that. They're just doing that and they're just going and doing that on another podcast.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  Yes, re-litigating what the jury has already come in on, yes. And it's human instinct to do. I also think sometimes people do it and they don't think you're gonna see it. Like, especially when you're, you know, you have such a high level of like recognition that if somebody, they're probably like, ah, he'll never see this and I can just, and then you see it and they're probably like, ugh, I shouldn't have said that. But I've read things that hurt my feelings. I'm like, why would you say that? Like,

• 34:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  I was nice to you.

• 34:27Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. It's weird. It's like, you know, humans are so strange. We're so strange in our weird little quirks and the way we communicate with each other and what is truth? What's real? Who are you? You know, who are you? You're, you're different every day.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:42Joe Rogan?

  You're different depending on how your day went. You know, your reaction to something is, I remember one time this guy wasn't paying attention. Traffic was stopped and he rear-ended me. And he didn't have a license. He was from Mexico, but I had been doing yoga like every day. And I was like, you okay? And he's like, yeah, I'm okay. I'm like, alright, man. And I go, why don't you have a license? He's like, Can't get a license. I go, I go, well, so why are you driving? He's like, I gotta work. I go, alright. I get it. I wasn't mad at him, but it was because I was doing yoga like every day. We were doing this hot yoga challenge, Ari and Tom and Bert and I.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  I remember that.

• 35:17Joe Rogan?

  We were doing it like, I was doing yoga like every day. So I was so calm. I was like, okay, well, take care of yourself, I'm gonna get out of here. Because his car was fucked. My car was fucked, but it was, it was drivable.

• 35:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:28Joe Rogan?

  It was a Porsche, like it was a really nice car. And he had like this fucking shitty Honda and he, but you know, the way he broke, like when you brake, your, your front end dives down.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 35:39Joe Rogan?

  And so he kinda got under my car and lifted my car up a little bit and caved in my back bumper a little bit, but they just replaced the bar and the engine wasn't fucked and my exhaust was dented a little bit. His car was fucked, he couldn't drive. So he gotta be there when the cops came and then, you know, he couldn't drive away.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 35:56Joe Rogan?

  And I was like, I don't know what to tell, I'm gonna get out of here.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  Oh, you just left, yeah.

• 36:00Joe Rogan?

  I was like, he doesn't have any money, like I'm, I'm gonna pay for this.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:03Joe Rogan?

  And I'm like, this is gonna hurt me, I have the money to fix it, so alright, take care, man. Glad you're okay.

• 36:08Speaker 01

  Being zen like that, like, because it reminds me of, I was leaving the Lincoln, the Holland Tunnel with Karen Feehan, we were doing a gig in Jersey. It was bumper to bumper. And I came, you know, there was like, that merge where you think you're never gonna get out of it, and a guy stopped and he goes, you hit my car! And I'm like, I know I didn't hit his car. But he made us, uh, it was bumper to bumper, I'm like, let's just talk on the other side of the tunnel, like, let's get out of this fuck, because I was gonna be late for the gig. And he goes, no, we're gonna pull over and wait for the police. So I'm like, oh, this piece of shit is trying to shake me down.

• 36:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  So we wound up, uh, one of those awful traffic women was there, you know, the, the people that just, they work for the city and they dress like cops, but they're not cops.

• 36:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  But if you assault one of them, it's like a, a big deal. So we pulled over and, and I said, is it okay if we just trade licenses? And she went, yeah, just trade licenses, which I think kind of shamed him into like letting us move on, otherwise he was gonna have me fucking held up there or, or pay him on the.

• 37:02Joe Rogan?

  So you didn't hit his car at all?

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Karen said I didn't, it was a merge, and if I did, it was a one mile an hour bump, but there was no mark on his car. At all, I think the whole thing was a scam, because we traded licenses and I never heard from the guy.

• 37:14Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever seen that thing where people get in front of people? Cars and slam on the brakes.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  It's, I've seen it.

• 37:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  And it, I mean, i- it's terrible. And the best of it, you have a dash cam.

• 37:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  You see them, they recognize the dash cam and then they just scurry back into their cars.

• 37:27Joe Rogan?

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• 38:54Joe Rogan?

  Then they threw it in reverse and backed up fast and slammed into this guy's car. But this, or this lady's car, but she had a dash cam the entire time.

• 39:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 39:02Joe Rogan?

  And she's on the phone, "Oh, my God, these people just backed up into me." And then they got out of the car and they're like, "What did you do? What'd you do?" They saw the dash cam like, oh, fuck.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've seen that. I think that's what I'm referring to where they they scurried back into the car and take off.

• 39:15Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  When I saw, like, I'm so cynical, like, people in Philly, you got a lot of people in Philly, like, if a bus hits something, there's like locals that will just run up and just lay next to the bus like they're in the fucking accident, which is, I get it, you know what I mean? But they forget that there's cameras everywhere and they could just see you walking out. But this India air, Air India plane crash, I was, my first thought was that this guy, they said, survived. I'm like, oh, he's bullshitting. He didn't.

• 39:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  He's faking it.

• 39:39Joe Rogan?

  No, he survived.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  But he did survive, yeah, because he said his brother was on the plane or something.

• 39:44Joe Rogan?

  Eleven A, seat eleven A.

• 39:45Speaker 01

  And by the way, to all the people who are gonna now look for eleven A, stop.

• 39:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, stop.

• 39:50Speaker 01

  If, if, if anything else, that's the last seat you should take.

• 39:52Joe Rogan?

  Usually it's the back where you're best off.

• 39:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wonder if the plane broke open and he just got, there's a woman who, who was a, I think she was a teenager when it happened. It's called the woman who, the girl who fell from the sky, and she had apparently, they were like two miles up and her, the plane blew up, whatever, and it came apart and she fell two miles, somehow survived, the sole survivor.

• 40:13Joe Rogan?

  Right? Didn't she hit, go through the roof of a barn or something like that?

• 40:15Speaker 01

  She fell into the, uh, what are they called? The, uh, the fucking, the, the Brazil rainforest, uh.

• 40:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the Amazon, Brazil?

• 40:23Speaker 01

  She fell into the Amazon, was gone for ten days.

• 40:26Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  Apparently, again, unless I was bullshit, they said she found an old boat with gas and she had to pour that on one of her wounds to kill the maggots. Um, and then she finally did get out and get rescued and, uh.

• 40:38Joe Rogan?

  Look at this. Seventeen year girl miraculously survived falling ten thousand feet from a plane, then surviving eleven days. Isn't ten thousand feet, isn't that two miles? No, what's a mile?

• 40:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's about two miles.

• 40:48Joe Rogan?

  Two miles?

• 40:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:50Joe Rogan?

  But Jesus Christ, you imagine falling two miles from a plane, survived eleven days alone in the Peruvian Amazon rainforest. After the plane, she was on, she was struck by lightning.

• 41:00Speaker 01

  Jesus, I didn't read that part.

• 41:01Joe Rogan?

  The plane was struck by lightning and disintegrated in the air. Still strapped to her seat, fell from the sky and survived. Holy shit, man.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Hit though, did she hit like a mountain in slot? Like, how do you, the impact, I don't know how you survive that impact.

• 41:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God. She had a broken collarbone and a torn leg, knee ligament. That's it. After the crash, she spent eleven days alone in the jungle before being rescued. She found a lumberjack camp.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  Wow. Yeah, it's crazy.

• 41:29Joe Rogan?

  Wow, she became a, a respected scientist specializing mammalogy and focusing on bats. Wouldn't it be funny if she was the lady who released Covid?

• 41:40Speaker 01

  Because her memory's no good anymore after the plane crash? Ah, here, drink this!

• 41:44Joe Rogan?

  She specialized on bats and she got a job in Wuhan, she had no idea.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  She had no idea, she's like, "Be free!" Bit some guy selling fish on the corner, and he went and fucked somebody.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  But there was another one too, there was a flight attendant, and again, who I think was trapped, the front of the plane fell, and I think that she was almost from 30,000 feet, and if I remember correctly, it hit a mountain and slid, it was almost like she hit it on the right angle and slid.

• 42:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, there it is. Highest fall without a parachute in history, 33,000 foot plunge after a plane explosion in 72. She was the only survivor, crashed into the mountains of Czechoslovakia after a suspected bomb detonated. Jeez. You felt her parachute didn't open and she landed on a pile of ants? Fire ants, and the fire ants kept her alive?

• 42:33Speaker 01

  Right, right!

• 42:34Joe Rogan?

  Shocked her body and... Yeah! Somehow or another, the fire ants, the shock of the sting of fire ants kept her alive.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  Why, did it slow her heart down or something, or stop it from...

• 42:43Joe Rogan?

  No, what?

• 42:45Speaker 01

  Imagine the odds of falling into a fire ant pile?

• 42:47Joe Rogan?

  It's usually a bad thing to land at a mound of fire ants at 80 miles an hour, but not if you're Joan Murphy, oh, Joan Murray. 14,000 feet, right into a fucking pile. 50% chance of surviving a fall of 48 feet.

• 43:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:02Joe Rogan?

  Which is a four-story building, mortality rate rushes all the way up to 90. When you fall 84 feet, a distance of a seven-story building, so if you're falling from a whopping 14,500 feet, just over 2.5 miles, safely bet you're almost definitely not going to get out alive, but one woman did. So she fell, a backup parachute opened at 700 feet, quickly deflated, she continued to plummet towards the ground at 80 miles an hour, she survived... There it goes. Um, she survived, thanks to the fact that she landed directly on a mound of fire ants. Doctors believe the intense shock of being stung over 200 times by the ants released a surge of adrenaline that kept her alive. Heart beating. Whoa.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  By the way, does that prove to you how little I know about the human body? My instinct said, oh, your heart slows down. Like, I thought like, oh, maybe it would slow your heart down when they bit you, and it does just the opposite. I, I thought like, maybe, maybe it slows your beat down like being frozen.

• 43:58Joe Rogan?

  I bet that's just a wild guess as to why it kept her alive, because if she was putty, you know, there's no way it would have kept her alive.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe it stopped her heart from, maybe they got to her right after, too, you know, who knows? You've watched that guy who fucking lets things bite him in the woods? Uh, Coyote something? You know, he's a fire ant. He's a psychopath, but his stuff is very entertaining. But I think he's in the bullet ant. The bullet ant or the Japanese hornet was, was the, the worst.

• 44:23Joe Rogan?

  Bullet ant's supposed to be the worst. The bullet ant's supposed to be like 24 hours of intense pain. Yeah, my friend Steve got bit by one of those.

• 44:30Speaker 01

  On purpose or no?

• 44:31Joe Rogan?

  No, he was in, uh, the Amazon. He got bit on his foot.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  And was it as bad as he said?

• 44:37Joe Rogan?

  He said for hours, it was just impossible. The pain was just impossible. And then it slowly dissipated to like kind of manageable.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  Is that the one that they put in the gloves? Did you see that one, the, the tribe where they do that and their hands are like blackened by bites?

• 44:52Joe Rogan?

  Didn't Steveo do that?

• 44:54Speaker 01

  Did he?

• 44:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he did that. Yeah, he put the gloves on.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  How long did he last?

• 44:59Joe Rogan?

  Uh, well, once you get bit, it's a 24 hour experience.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm very squeamish. Insects, it's funny, I've never gotten over this insect. I think I saw a kid, uh, there was a brother and sister when I was a kid. We were all the same age. I think she was a year older than me and him were. And they were such a, such a bizarre little friendship, because they used to pee their pants. And I would ask them to sit on my face with their pants. It was a really bizarre, yeah, I know, it was a very, it was a lovely childhood in good old Edison. Good old Edison, New Jersey. But I saw him get stung by yellow jackets.

• 45:29Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, who is that?

• 45:30Speaker 01

  That's a-

• 45:31Joe Rogan?

  That's the worst thing?

• 45:32Speaker 04

  Executioner wasp.

• 45:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 45:34Speaker 04

  But Coyote Peterson said it was worse than a bullet ant.

• 45:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god.

• 45:38Speaker 01

  Watching a guy run with bees on his arms and screaming, I think that scarred me for the rest of my life with insect. We used to break up bees' nests and I'll never forget the sight of this kid running ah with just three yellow jackets on his arm and I just that stuck with me for I guess forty nine years now, fifty years, it bothers me, I just can't they weird insects have a very weird effect on people like to be so skeeved out by something. It's like rats instead of like small bunnies don't bother you, but rats do. Maybe it's in the DNA or something where it's supposed to bother you.

• 46:10Joe Rogan?

  I think so for sure. I think that's what a phidia phobia and arachnophobia comes from. You know, I bet someone in your DNA, someone down the line was either killed by a spider or like really badly hurt by a spider and it's just in your DNA to be absolutely terrified when you see a spider.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  What's a what's a phidia phobia is snakes. Oh.

• 46:30Joe Rogan?

  Some people just they have it so bad like they see snakes and they just fucking start panic and they go they have a panic attack and they just can't handle it where the other people like I I'm scared of snakes for sure, but but I can look at them, you know, they don't freak me out.

• 46:44Speaker 01

  Can you hold them?

• 46:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:45Joe Rogan?

  I can hold them, but I you know, obviously I don't want to be around them. They're they're fucking serpents. They're literally in the Bible.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, the Bible does frown the snake on a bed rap in the fucking Bible.

• 46:55Joe Rogan?

  Fucking Satan. Satan comes in the form of a certain.

• 46:58Speaker 01

  A certain, yeah, I I can hold one if I know it's not gonna I got again, I have a healthy fear like if it's like if it's if I know it's a boa constrictor, like that guy in the granite village walks around the giant yellow one. Which kind of creeps because if it was to really attack someone. I mean, I guess you'd have to kill it. There's nothing you can do.

• 47:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 47:17Speaker 01

  It's a large boa constrictor.

• 47:19Joe Rogan?

  It's not much you can do. Once it's around your neck, you need help. You know, they're very strong. I mean, they they crush deer and swallow them whole.

• 47:28Speaker 01

  They do.

• 47:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, you gotta you gotta be a real special kind of fucking idiot to have one of those things as a pet. Because you just have a monster as a pet and as long as you feed that monster, but if you leave a baby in a room with a python, you come back a half an hour later, you're gonna have a fat python and no baby.

• 47:45Speaker 01

  Absolutely, and a nice quiet night's sleep.

• 47:46Joe Rogan?

  They don't give a fuck. They're just like they're that's what they're there for. Nature has designed them to kill everything they can.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  I can't Annie Letterman has a lot of snakes like she has them as pets and her fiance has they have a bug.

• 47:58Joe Rogan?

  That tracks.

• 47:59Speaker 01

  A room full of fucking snakes and I don't get it. I'm like, they're not warm.

• 48:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  They don't have any recognition of you.

• 48:06Joe Rogan?

  Interesting, I guess.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  I guess, but I have, we have a puppy and I've never owned a dog before and it's like, it's nice to have. I don't like taking care of anything. I fucking, I don't have that instinct in me. I just don't like it. But this dog kind of, uh, I get why people like having a dog. I get it.

• 48:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I love dogs. If, if my wife only lets me have one, I have one dog. But if it was up to me, uh, at one point in time I had five dogs.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  You did?

• 48:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  Does he shit in the house?

• 48:32Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  Mine does a lot.

• 48:33Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he does if he eats things that are bad. He gets diarrhea and he gets diarrhea at least a couple of times a year.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  Oh, he does?

• 48:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's a dumbass. He's a golden retriever. He's not that smart. Like, he ate a turtle recently. And he got horrible diarrhea, shit all over the place. He got little pieces of shell stuck in his stomach. He had to go to the hospital.

• 48:51Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 48:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, it was a nightmare. And he also ate gravel at one point. He ate five pounds of gravel. Cause someone accidentally, uh, dropped some chicken food on the gravel and he just assumed that the gravel was food, so he ate all the gravel.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  It is crazy how nothing registers halfway through the gravel pile.

• 49:07Joe Rogan?

  He's just a dumbass.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  Doesn't taste like chicken.

• 49:10Joe Rogan?

  He's a dumbass, but I fucking love dogs, man. I, I wish I, I could have, I can't go to a pound. I, I can't go.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  Can you bring them all home?

• 49:18Joe Rogan?

  I'll bring them all home. I just like, I'll take them all. If I had a giant piece of land, I would probably just have all, every dog I could ever get.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  We went, we went to, uh, North Shore Animal Rescue and, uh, actually Beth Stern helped me. I don't know her well. I met her through Whitney. And I'd met her, but she's like, is huge there and like has great connections and helped us get a very nice little, uh, uh, what is it? A fucking, uh, Yorkie. We, we, we were so stupid. We thought it was a, uh, I thought it was a cavapoo. I didn't know what the fucking kind of dog it was.

• 49:47Joe Rogan?

  What's a cavapoo?

• 49:48Speaker 01

  It's like, it's like one of those things where it's like a bred dog. It's, it's a cavalier and a poodle, I think. But it's hypoallergenic. I can't have dog hair.

• 49:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, look at that.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  I mean, come on.

• 49:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  Is that not phenomenal?

• 50:01Joe Rogan?

  Come on. Come on. Look at your little bow. That used to be a wolf. That's how fucking creepy people are. They turned a wolf into that thing.

• 50:08Speaker 01

  That little adorable, no shedding thing.

• 50:11Joe Rogan?

  Look at that little face, aww.

• 50:13Speaker 01

  He's very cute, but that's what we thought we were getting. I didn't know, cause a Yorkie looks a lot like that when it's young, I mean it was like this big when we took it home, but yeah, it's, I, I love it. My dog photographs like shit though, I never put up pictures of my dog. He's a sweetheart, but he looks like a fucking wig and a hamper, just sucks. I can't humiliate an ugly fucking dog I have in, in pictures, but in person, he's a great. But I just, I never post pictures, it's just, it's not cute. Nothing's gonna help, he's just kinda sitting there, he looks like he's fucking, like homeless, like some homeless guy's dog. But I do, uh, I love having him, but the shitting in the house is very difficult.

• 50:48Joe Rogan?

  Aww.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, I think that's when I first got him.

• 50:50Joe Rogan?

  Aww.

• 50:51Speaker 01

  But you see, he looks a little like a cavapoo.

• 50:52Joe Rogan?

  That's adorable dog.

• 50:54Speaker 01

  Then he was, but as he's gotten older and his hair's gotten longer.

• 50:57Joe Rogan?

  He's gotten shitty looking?

• 50:58Speaker 01

  Nah, in person, no, but, uh, in, in, I, he photographs fucking terribly.

• 51:03Joe Rogan?

  Let me see a picture, let me see a bad picture of your dog.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  Let me see if I have. I put up, if, on my Instagram, I think I put up a video recently and the screen grab, I tried to find the cutest screen grab, and I just couldn't, so let me see if you're.

• 51:16Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it's just you. Maybe if I saw him, I'd think he's adorable.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  I can guarantee you're gonna go like, he might be great in person. It's like when some, but I wouldn't, I would never, uh, I would never classify this as a cute dog, hold on. Alright, um, it's not opening because of, uh, but I'll find it.

• 51:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's no cellphone signal in here.

• 51:33Speaker 01

  Is that on purpose?

• 51:34Joe Rogan?

  No, it's just the walls are thick.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  Do you guys have wifi or no? Uh, yeah, I can't find.

• 51:38Joe Rogan?

  Forget it, it's okay. I get it.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  Oh wait.

• 51:42Joe Rogan?

  Is that it?

• 51:42Speaker 01

  That's, that's actually not that bad.

• 51:44Joe Rogan?

  That's cute.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  But there was one I put up. That's actually a very nice one.

• 51:48Joe Rogan?

  Look at that little blue bow.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, we've fucking, somebody in the house really mowed him up, that wasn't my fucking.

• 51:53Joe Rogan?

  That's a cute little dog.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, alright, that's a nice picture, but typically photographs very poorly.

• 52:00Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  But, uh, we can't, he won't stop shitting in the house. Like, I can't, uh.

• 52:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, you live in an apartment?

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Live in an apartment.

• 52:06Joe Rogan?

  That's part of the problem.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  We put him on the terrace, and she'll go out there with him and, and she walks him, I won't walk him, it's like, it's your dog, I don't wanna fuckin'. I don't, you know what I mean, like, I'm not, again, I don't have that instinct, I'm happy you have him and you love him, but. Um, he just won't stop shitting in the house. I don't know what to do. I'm getting to a point where like I, I like, this is why I didn't want a fucking dog.

• 52:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  I can't handle dog shit in my house.

• 52:28Joe Rogan?

  It's kinda gross.

• 52:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's pretty gross.

• 52:31Speaker 01

  I heard that, uh, I'm, I'm debating, do I pay for a trainer? Do I pay for someone to come in and just?

• 52:37Joe Rogan?

  They might not be able to. It might be one of them broken little fucking tiny dogs. You just can't stop shitting in your house. I don't know though.

• 52:44Speaker 01

  I hope not.

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• 54:43Speaker 01

  In New York, it helps, like, you have a small little, uh, first of all, I'm not qualified to own a big one. I don't know how, like, people own, like, mastiffs and I, in New York.

• 54:51Joe Rogan?

  In New York City, that's crazy.

• 54:52Speaker 01

  You can't, and you can't get insurance for them. That's what made me, like, if you have a Doberman or a Rottweiler or a pit, you, you can't get insurance, homeowner's insurance. So if somebody gets bit, you're fucked.

• 55:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:02Speaker 01

  And that's what scared me about those dogs, German Shepherd.

• 55:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, especially German Shepherds. Well, also, like, those dogs need a lot of exercise. They need a lot of activity, or they get anxious.

• 55:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:12Joe Rogan?

  And they get kinda crazy, because they're not supposed to be penned in like that. They're working dogs. They're supposed to be out there running around. And if you don't run them, if you don't exercise them every day, they, they get like people do when they don't exercise every day, they get kooky.

• 55:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. I became a little obsessed with, you ever see those Caucasian Shepherds? Like, I, I wanna pet one of those things, or those, uh...

• 55:32Joe Rogan?

  That's that big giant fucking thing?

• 55:33Speaker 01

  It comes up, it goes like two hundred pound, yeah, it's fucking hairy, it's a disaster. Yeah, it's a werewolf, it's a monster.

• 55:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  But something like that, I would love to, you know, spend a moment with, or go someplace and, and play with it, but I just, you know, yeah.

• 55:45Joe Rogan?

  Look at that thing, jeez.

• 55:46Speaker 01

  Slobbering all over your fucking sofa.

• 55:48Joe Rogan?

  Two hundred twenty pounds.

• 55:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:50Joe Rogan?

  Jeez.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  Shitting.

• 55:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, they use those things to keep wolves away from sheep.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  And Russian prisons, I think. I've seen footage of Russian prisons, like, where they have them around the perimeter. Uh, in, there's a fence in between, like, freedom and the jail, and they kinda keep them in there.

• 56:04Joe Rogan?

  I wonder what their temperament is like?

• 56:06Speaker 01

  They're aggressive. That's what I've heard, they're very aggressive.

• 56:08Joe Rogan?

  Bad with people? Strong, powerful, alert, quick, dominant, calm. What?

• 56:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, they just, somebody just threw adjectives up there.

• 56:15Joe Rogan?

  How'd they throw calm in there? Steady, strong, independent, faithful, self-assured, calm. That's weird.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Uh, the Do, you ever see those Do, what are they called? Dogo, are, are, I, I'm a, those are, they look like giant pitfalls. They're gorgeous dogs, but again, they're...

• 56:31Joe Rogan?

  Hyper-aggressive.

• 56:32Speaker 01

  They are aggressive, right?

• 56:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Great guard dogs, hyper-aggressive. They will fuck you up. I think those were the dogs that Ving Rhames had when someone, he, it killed, like, someone working at his house. Yeah.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  When he was Ving Rhames or before?

• 56:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Ving, uh, I'm, I'm pretty sure it was Ving Rhames. I think something happened, and someone, maybe they were there, where they're not supposed to be there, or something happened. And someone, I think it was someone working for him, got killed by his dog.

• 57:04Speaker 01

  Was he, is, is it him or Charles Dutton who did time in jail for murder? I think it was murder. I don't want to get sued, but I think it was Charles Dutton or him that actually before they were actors went to jail. I just don't remember if it was Ving Rhames or Charles Dutton.

• 57:16Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I don't know.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  He was one of those guys that had like a really interesting backstory. I wonder if that happened.

• 57:21Joe Rogan?

  Let's go find out with Ving Rhames' dog first, then we'll Google, did Charles Dutton murder somebody? I think it might have been Dutton.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  I think, this is the funny thing to Google.

• 57:32Speaker 04

  The coroner said that he did not die from, in the Ving Rhames case, did not die from dog bites. They were waiting for a toxicology report.

• 57:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, maybe he had a stroke and then the dog bit him. Like, sometimes that happens. Like, if someone has like a seizure, dogs will bite them. Like, dogs don't know what the fuck is going on. They freak out and they bite them. When animals attack humans or other animals, victims usually end up with bites around the head and neck. He had none. Uh, this leads us to believe he went down for some other medical reason. Oh, that makes sense. So, the bites were around his arms and his legs. So, yeah, the dog might have, bull mastiffs, English Bulldog and three bull mastiffs.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  Two hundred pounds.

• 58:11Joe Rogan?

  Geez, two hundred pounds.

• 58:12Speaker 01

  You wonder if they were trying to wake him up or trying to pull him somewhere, or if they were attacking, like, because you're right, if they don't bite the face, what's the purpose of, what would they do?

• 58:18Joe Rogan?

  I bet it wasn't, I bet that's what it was. Sometimes that does happen when dogs will freak out if someone has a seizure. They don't know what the hell's going on. They like bite the person.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, what's he doing?

• 58:28Joe Rogan?

  They're freaking out, argh, you know, probably not even bite him to try to hurt him, just to try to stop whatever's happening, because it's freaking him out.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Well, there was speculation after Siegfried and Roy, when Roy got dragged off. I don't know what's true or not. Did the thing bite his head, or was it actually trying to save him?

• 58:46Joe Rogan?

  Take him away, yeah.

• 58:47Speaker 01

  Um, I don't know what.

• 58:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there was like a lady that had a crazy hat, or something like that, and the tiger was kind of weirded out by this lady's hat.

• 58:54Speaker 01

  Is that what it was?

• 58:55Joe Rogan?

  So I remember, but I just remember thinking, duh, like, the tiger just did what tigers do. Just decided, I don't like this anymore.

• 59:04Speaker 01

  Are they both dead?

• 59:05Joe Rogan?

  I'm just gonna bite you. I don't know.

• 59:07Speaker 01

  I know Roy Horn died, I think.

• 59:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, I just saw they're making a Netflix series about, or Apple TV series about him. Eight-episode series. Andrew Garfield and someone else are playing.

• 59:16Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see the HBO, uh, thing on, uh, Liberace?

• 59:21Speaker 01

  Is that where with uh?

• 59:24Joe Rogan?

  Beyond the Candel Opera? Well, it was Matt Damon and um, what the fuck is his name?

• 59:30Speaker 01

  Who played Scott Thorson?

• 59:31Joe Rogan?

  The guy greed is good, you know, that guy.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  Michael Douglas?

• 59:34Joe Rogan?

  Michael Douglas, yeah. Michael Douglas played Liberace, I believe, right? Didn't he?

• 59:38Speaker 01

  Did he?

• 59:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  I didn't remember that.

• 59:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was Michael Douglas and Matt Damon.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  Oh, he played Scott Thorson, Matt Damon?

• 59:44Joe Rogan?

  Yes, he played the guy who got plastic surgery to look like Liberace.

• 59:48Speaker 01

  He's a classic.

• 59:48Joe Rogan?

  What a psycho.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:50Joe Rogan?

  He has boyfriend, get plastic surgery to look like him, I wanna fuck me.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  I know, that's the last person I would wanna look like. I go to a surgeon and say, anything but this.

• 1:00:00Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that, that is such a psychotic thing to wanna fuck you? Oh my god, that's so crazy. I want you to look like me. Get your chin done and look like me.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  Is that a power thing? Or is it a fucking, it's a very bizarre?

• 1:00:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  Pure narcissism or just crazy?

• 1:00:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all the above. Power for sure, power over that guy, right? He probably had the ultimate power in that relationship.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:24Joe Rogan?

  Cause he's Liberace, he's this enormous superstar and this guy's his bitch, you know, like, I want you to get a different chin.

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

  You're gonna look like me.

• 1:00:32Joe Rogan?

  He got a crazy chin.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, he did. He looks, he looks, he looks very silly.

• 1:00:35Joe Rogan?

  It was a fun fucking film, though.

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, Tom Papa had a part in this.

• 1:00:39Joe Rogan?

  Roblo!

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:00:44Joe Rogan?

  It was a really fu- Joey Diaz used to have a great bit about it.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  About the, about the uh?

• 1:00:48Joe Rogan?

  About the HBO thing. Yeah, I mean Liberace was a fucking weird case, right? Because he had to pretend that he was straight forever.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:57Joe Rogan?

  And it's so obvious, like today, he wouldn't have to.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:01:02Joe Rogan?

  Right? He could just be Liberace, but back then, he had, do you ever see the song, there he is, look at that, super straight, look at the rings. You, do you ever see the song, When Liberace Winks At Me?

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:01:13Joe Rogan?

  So this is a song that played on television in like the nineteen fifties, when you know, the world was innocent.

• 1:01:21Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:01:21Joe Rogan?

  There's a woman who was like swooning when Liberace would wink at her, and then so they played this, it's Liberace playing the piano and like looking at the girl and winking, and they like made like a twinkle in his eye when it, let's, let's play it because it's, it's so bad. Here it is, here it is. Put your headphones on. You gotta see this.

• 1:01:43Joe Rogan?

  What is it 53? Is that what it said? 55.

• 1:01:51Joe Rogan?

  So she's watching him on TV and she sings.

• 1:01:56Joe Rogan?

  Watch this.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  First of all, he looks like Jim Florentine. It really freaks me out.

• 1:02:53Joe Rogan?

  I remember when he winks, he hear the piano key.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  A little tinkle.

• 1:02:56Joe Rogan?

  Clink, clink. That's so weird. What a weird time it was back then.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  Dude, there's a video of him too on Instagram where it was in the 60s when he was trying to get with the uh, he was trying to like, you know, be with the movement man.

• 1:03:10Joe Rogan?

  Be cool, man.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  And it was like something about something groovy and it's just him on a piano with all of these like uh, like you know, 20 year olds just trying so hard to get the kids.

• 1:03:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 1:03:21Speaker 01

  Oh, it's so.

• 1:03:22Joe Rogan?

  It's in the 60s?

• 1:03:23Speaker 01

  I think it's in the, it looks like it's like 1967, 19, yeah.

• 1:03:27Joe Rogan?

  Is that it? Oh, boy.

• 1:03:35Joe Rogan?

  Groovy. Look at these guys, their pants.

• 1:03:50Joe Rogan?

  God, look at their pants.

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, the piano's got flowers on it.

• 1:03:56Joe Rogan?

  God, people really lost their fucking minds in the 60s, didn't they?

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is very drug-inspired.

• 1:04:02Joe Rogan?

  Imagine putting those pants on.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  Where's Liberace? He does come out. I'm not sure where he does.

• 1:04:09Joe Rogan?

  There he is.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  Oh, there he is. At least he's dressed for the occasion.

• 1:04:14Joe Rogan?

  Look at him! He's got the thumbs up. Look at his fucking vest!

• 1:04:31Joe Rogan?

  Look at him! God, that's so weird.

• 1:04:46Joe Rogan?

  Liberace's turning on.

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  Isn't that great?

• 1:04:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God, that's so weird. And look, the piano's moving.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  And he had to hold two girls, like, "Yeah, I'm here to get some puss."

• 1:04:58Joe Rogan?

  He's turning on.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:00Joe Rogan?

  This is like the acid days.

• 1:05:02Speaker 01

  But it's so crazy that like this was actually probably not meant to be shitty and ironic, but it was meant to be like, "Yeah, he's this cool guy, getting with the scene."

• 1:05:10Joe Rogan?

  He's getting with the scene, man. And he's out there with his piano and all these weird people with flowers on their pants.

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  And the dancing, the dance routine is just not the straightest.

• 1:05:20Joe Rogan?

  Look at him go with the vest. The vest is hilarious.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like plastic.

• 1:05:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like this fucking raincoat that they turned into a vest.

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  And a long, like, orange, like, almost like Shakespeare sleeve type of shirt.

• 1:05:33Joe Rogan?

  So strange.

• 1:05:35Joe Rogan?

  God, people were so weird, but you gotta think like in the nineteen sixties television had only been around for like twenty years.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:44Joe Rogan?

  That's what's weird. This was really weird if you really stop and think about it, it was so new. No one, it's kind of like the internet, right? Like the internet was, the internet is older today than television was then.

• 1:05:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, you're right, it's thirty years old now.

• 1:06:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, the internet basically came around, I got on the internet for the first time in ninety-four. I got on America Online, you've got mail.

• 1:06:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:06:11Joe Rogan?

  And I remember, this is crazy, I couldn't believe it, it hooked up to my phone, it was a fourteen-four connection, like.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, fourteen K.

• 1:06:19Joe Rogan?

  Slow as shit, and then I got fifty-six K, I thought I was a boss, like, look at me, fifty-six K, you know? And I remember thinking, this is crazy, like, this never existed before. So that was thirty years ago, thirty-one years ago. This was just twenty years after TV, really, like, when did TV really start happening?

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  In the, I wanna say in the fifties, yeah, I don't think it was in the nineteen forties, I mean, it was in the fifties.

• 1:06:43Joe Rogan?

  What was the first television?

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  Hitler broadcasted, I, I was, but that must have been in the forties, there was, cause in the movie Contact where they show you that Hitler broadcast, which they said was like one of the first.

• 1:06:54Joe Rogan?

  He broadcasted on the radio or on television?

• 1:06:57Speaker 01

  No, it was the TV.

• 1:06:58Joe Rogan?

  I know they used to do a lot of World War Two stuff in the movie theaters, you'd go to the movie theater and you'd get the news. The Allied Front, and they'd show you the news, they'd show you like propaganda footage of the news. Our troops are out there fighting for your freedom.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  Yes, and the Japanese.

• 1:07:15Joe Rogan?

  They'd show you.

• 1:07:17Speaker 01

  The brave American troops smiling, yeah.

• 1:07:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and then they'd have those propaganda movies.

• 1:07:22Speaker 04

  Uh, nineteen fifty-three, fifty percent of American households had a TV set, by the end of nineteen sixty, almost nine out of ten did.

• 1:07:29Joe Rogan?

  Wow, so what was the first television, when did it first?

• 1:07:32Speaker 04

  Oh, they had them, they started in the twenties, and then.

• 1:07:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 1:07:34Speaker 04

  They were expensive as shit and probably very big, and there wasn't anything to watch, so why would you have one?

• 1:07:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:07:39Speaker 04

  And then.

• 1:07:40Joe Rogan?

  What was the first broadcast, the first television broadcast?

• 1:07:44Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, it's, yeah, up until the 50s, it was really just like public information, it says.

• 1:07:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so just like the news?

• 1:07:50Speaker 04

  There wasn't, I mean, there wasn't a lot of shows being made.

• 1:07:52Joe Rogan?

  Like, what was the first television show?

• 1:07:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  Before Cav- remember Gleason did Cavalcade?

• 1:07:58Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  I think it was called Cavalcade, it was like when The Honeymooners debuted and he would do Reginald Van Gleason, but I don't, that's definitely not the first one. I Love Lucy was probably same time or before that.

• 1:08:07Joe Rogan?

  Right, and what year was that? Had to be the 50s, right?

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  53, maybe, 55? Or it might have been later, I don't remember.

• 1:08:12Joe Rogan?

  So, probably the television really became, like, when did it become a thing where people would watch the news? Probably like, late 40s, maybe?

• 1:08:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, 'cause 63, again, the Cronkite broadcast, I mean, so by then, it was like in, in full effect.

• 1:08:27Joe Rogan?

  So, you gotta think, that 63 with, you know, Liberace, or the, the 55 one with Liberace, that's so new.

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:36Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy new, and then 12 years later, you know, when he's fucking dancing with the flower pants on.

• 1:08:42Speaker 04

  Here's a Wikipedia version.

• 1:08:44Joe Rogan?

  First national color broadcast, the 1954 Tournament of the Rose Parade, the US curd, January 1st, 1954. So, the 1936 Summer Olympics, oh, they had the Summer Olympics, they, they broadcast.

• 1:08:57Speaker 04

  World Series, it says, was the first catalyst, like, big, big buying.

• 1:09:02Joe Rogan?

  Wow, you must have been a boss if you had a fucking television in 1936.

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:06Speaker 04

  And then, first, like, variety show was Milton Berle's show, so he became known as Mr. Television.

• 1:09:11Joe Rogan?

  What year was that? 48?

• 1:09:12Speaker 04

  47, 48.

• 1:09:13Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:09:14Speaker 04

  Took his radio show and made it a TV show.

• 1:09:16Joe Rogan?

  So, by the time that Liberace dancing with the pants on, it's only 20 years old.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:22Joe Rogan?

  Which is really wild.

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  Was that 68? I'm, I'm gonna, it was definitely late 60s.

• 1:09:27Speaker 04

  Red Skelton Television Hours.

• 1:09:30Speaker 01

  And, and the fact that people just didn't know he's a flaming homosexual, like, the fact that-

• 1:09:35Joe Rogan?

  How did you not?

• 1:09:35Speaker 01

  I guess there wasn't enough gay people publicly, so everyone didn't recognize. Like, people knew, like, when you spoke a certain way that you could be, but it wasn't. I guess that wasn't like the, the, the voice that everybody recognized.

• 1:09:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, everybody hid it, too, you know, you had to hide it. You imagine being a gay guy trying to find other gay guys back then, like, what did you do?

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  What a risk.

• 1:09:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  Except being gay in North Korea. Like, how do those guys fucking, what signal do you give where you know the other guy's not working for the state?

• 1:10:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  You're in a rest area.

• 1:10:04Joe Rogan?

  Even if he is, he might throw you under the bus anyway. Like, they have a whole culture on throwing people under the bus.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  On tattling.

• 1:10:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, their whole culture is based on tattling, and if you don't tattle on people, they, they assume you did something wrong.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  I'd still like to kind of go there. I wouldn't do it, so I wouldn't. I would, I would, yeah, just because they say there's all those fake storefronts and all of those. Or, or, or stores that are just for the tourists that come through, that they have all those fake stores that people.

• 1:10:27Joe Rogan?

  Do they get a lot of tourism?

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I mean, they, they get enough, like, uh, through China. They, there's companies that go through China, and every country doesn't have the negative relationship that we do with them. So I would kind of like to go, but I don't, I wouldn't trust it after that Otto Warmer, what, what was his name? Warren, Warm, Warminger?

• 1:10:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the kid that got beat to death.

• 1:10:45Speaker 01

  For, for taking a propaganda poster.

• 1:10:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  Um, it would be very scary to go, but I, I really kind of want to. They have that giant building, the, uh, it's a thousand-foot-tall hotel or building that is just kind of half-empty, like, it's never was finished. They light it up at night, so it looks like they have a big downtown.

• 1:11:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:11:03Speaker 01

  But, uh, in North Korea has like a thousand-tall, a thousand-foot-tall building.

• 1:11:07Joe Rogan?

  A YouTube video of a guy that went, his name's Mike, Mike OK? He went three, four months ago after they had not been open since COVID.

• 1:11:15Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:11:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  And he went just to tour around North Korea?

• 1:11:19Joe Rogan?

  He's a British person, so he's not from America.

• 1:11:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you're not supposed to film a lot of this stuff. These guys take really, really, like, clandestine footage. You're allowed to film in certain areas, but I think your phone you have to leave at the border when you come in.

• 1:11:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, he explains what he was do- I think he says he wasn't supposed to, but he just did.

• 1:11:34Joe Rogan?

  Was he eating food there?

• 1:11:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, he goes to a few little towns, talks to them. I remember watching some of this. It's like a random Coke or something somewhere, or a Red Bull, I think.

• 1:11:43Joe Rogan?

  That's so fucking risky.

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  It is risky.

• 1:11:46Joe Rogan?

  Cause you- just the wrong thing you do, you insult them, and next thing you know, you're in jail for the rest of your life, or you're beaten to death.

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, they said that like if there's a picture of Kim Jong-un or Kim Jong-il, you have to be respectful and you stand in front of the pictures to take your photo. They're really- And they just rat on each other.

• 1:12:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, Shane Smith went. Shane from Vice, back in the day, like before things got too crazy over there. And he said that they set up a fake restaurant for him. Like, they pretended that they had restaurants, and so they had a fake restaurant, and he went there, there was like only him there, and people were serving him.

• 1:12:19Speaker 01

  Bizarre.

• 1:12:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he said it was really weird.

• 1:12:21Speaker 01

  I guess when you're seen as a god, and everybody just cosigns it, you don't know how bad of a liar you are. Like, you don't know how badly you're presenting, cause everybody is just, "Oh my god", like-

• 1:12:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  So they have no idea. Kim Jong-un has no idea that people look at him and go like, "That's not real."

• 1:12:36Joe Rogan?

  Right. And then the people that are there, they have no internet. Like, their, their world is the North Korean internet. They don't, they're not connected to the rest of the world.

• 1:12:45Speaker 01

  No, they would, uh, I guess people will like sneak in thumb drives and stuff like that of, I know, South Korean TV.

• 1:12:53Joe Rogan?

  They catch you.

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  If they catch you, you're fucking- but you know, you know Saad Masani, uh, he's, uh, he's from Afghanistan, and he ran, uh, I think it was called the Mobi Group in Afghanistan, but they would go next to the Iranian border and, and pipe in, uh, like, American TV shows, and they would illegally send them over the border to try to get people, like, a little bit westernized, or to at least see things a little bit differently.

• 1:13:16Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 1:13:17Speaker 01

  But it's an illegal feed. You're just shooting it over somehow, and, you know.

• 1:13:20Joe Rogan?

  Hoping they don't kill you.

• 1:13:21Speaker 01

  Hoping they don't kill you, yeah.

• 1:13:22Joe Rogan?

  Speaking of kill you.

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  Uh, what's that?

• 1:13:24Joe Rogan?

  Said, "Speaking of kill you in Iran."

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  What? Oh, what's going on there?

• 1:13:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:29Speaker 01

  Oh my god, yeah.

• 1:13:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  But no one's surprised. You know what I mean? Like, it-

• 1:13:34Joe Rogan?

  I bet the guys who got killed were surprised. They were supposed to meet with Trump to have a peace negotiation.

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  Wasn't the time up?

• 1:13:42Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  Didn't the, I thought the time lapsed.

• 1:13:44Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:13:44Speaker 01

  Did the Israelis jump the gun on the time?

• 1:13:46Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:59Joe Rogan?

  You know, that the Israelis wanted, they didn't want a negotiation.

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  Oh, because they wanted to get those nuclear sites out of there.

• 1:16:07Joe Rogan?

  They, they didn't trust the Iranians and they wanted to make sure that these guys were gone.

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:12Joe Rogan?

  They, they essentially killed everybody that he was negotiating with. So this guy's response above it, it says, what evidence might there be to support this position? And the position was go above that? Yeah. Israel did not attack Iran because Iran was about to attack Israel. Israel attacked Iran because there was about to be peace. And then this guy asked Grok, what evidence might there be to support this position? And then Grok says, evidence suggesting Israel's June 13, 2025 attack in Iran aimed to disrupt US-Iran peace talks includes its timing coinciding with the sixth round of nuclear negotiations scheduled around June 12 through 14, 2025. International reactions like the UN and the Oman condemning the strikes as undermining diplomacy support this view.

• 1:16:58Joe Rogan?

  However, Israel justified the attack as a preemptive strike against Iran's nuclear program citing its non-compliance with the IAEA. No direct evidence proves intent to stop peace and the focus on nuclear sites suggests security concerns drove the action. The issue remains debated with perspectives varying by geopolitical stance.

• 1:17:19Speaker 01

  This, now ask Grok. Grok is kind of Twitter's AI.

• 1:17:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:17:23Speaker 01

  How influenced is it by, like a chat GPT I've gone to? And I was kind of curious because my wife's obsessed with it. So I was like, I think this is probably still ideologically influenced.

• 1:17:33Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  So, yeah, other people have done this. I put in, write five jokes about Jesus and it did five Jesus jokes. And then I put in, write five jokes about Muhammad. And it came back with, well, we like to keep things respectful and blah blah. And I did the same thing with write five jokes about white people and then write five jokes about black people. And it did the same thing. It wrote the white person jokes, but the black people jokes it wouldn't write. So I was like, oh, okay, this is still. Somehow tied in.

• 1:17:59Joe Rogan?

  There's guardrails.

• 1:18:00Speaker 01

  There's guardrails and it's ideologically slanted. It may not always be that way. So I'm wondering if Grok is the same way. Like, is any answer it gives you almost like coming from either somebody at PBS? Or somebody from someplace else?

• 1:18:14Joe Rogan?

  Grok is probably the best of them for that. But the worst was Gemini. Remember when they asked Gemini to make photographs of Nazi soldiers? And they had a diverse group of Nazi soldiers? Including Asian women, Native American women.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:28Joe Rogan?

  Black people.

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  Keep it fair, folks. Keep it fair. Keep it fair.

• 1:18:31Joe Rogan?

  They just got locked up in this woke ideology thing. To the point where the images they created of Nazis were woke.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  I don't know what happened where people become so afraid of like, I know truth can be unpleasant sometimes. But like where it goes to that level. Like, we will write jokes about Jesus, but not about Mohammed. Like, who's programming that and thinks that's a good thing?

• 1:18:52Joe Rogan?

  Um, well, they're scared.

• 1:18:54Speaker 01

  They are.

• 1:18:54Joe Rogan?

  That's what it is.

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  I'd almost respect them if they said they were scared. Like, if they could, look, we all understand what goes on. We don't want somebody running in with a bomb belt. Like, you know, there's violent retribution. I would respect that, but they won't say that.

• 1:19:07Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:19:07Speaker 01

  They act like you're crazy for questioning. What?

• 1:19:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  Ah, that's not true. It's not.

• 1:19:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's weird. We're in a weird stage. We're in a weird stage. We have all the information, but it's still, it's still got guardrails on it.

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  Do you feel, I feel better about myself, though, the older I get? The more like, yeah, I, I years ago said it and knew it was getting worse and worse. And like, I was never stupid enough to think it didn't exist. So I kind of like, yeah, well, if nothing else, it validates what I kind of thought. You know, I mean, like, I feel like, all right, I wasn't a fucking idiot. I'm not taken off guard by it.

• 1:19:39Joe Rogan?

  You knew it was coming.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, not necessarily to this level. But, you know, when you saw this happening and then that happening? And then little weird things like Donald Sterling. That one always bothered me. Uh, his private communications being used against him. And it's like, does anybody?

• 1:19:55Joe Rogan?

  Which one was that?

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  He was the owner of the Golden State Warriors.

• 1:19:58Joe Rogan?

  I don't remember. Oh, this was the guy that had the girlfriend.

• 1:20:01Speaker 01

  The Clippers.

• 1:20:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:03Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The Clippers. Yes.

• 1:20:04Joe Rogan?

  He was the guy had the girlfriend who was his little side piece.

• 1:20:07Speaker 01

  Vista Viano, yeah.

• 1:20:08Joe Rogan?

  And the girl, the girlfriend recorded him saying a bunch of things about black people.

• 1:20:13Speaker 01

  And it was almost like, he was like, ah, blah. It wasn't like, I don't think he was a hateful guy, but he was just like an old guy. Like, you know what I mean? Don't hang out with blah.

• 1:20:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, he was saying, don't do it publicly, right?

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:24Joe Rogan?

  I guess it embarrasses me, something like that.

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  His friends are probably calling him.

• 1:20:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But he was, you know, he's talking to his side piece and she's recording him. The whole thing was gross.

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  The invasion of, even if he's a piece of shit, I don't care about him.

• 1:20:36Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:20:37Speaker 01

  It's the idea that people are comfortable, like, nobody sticks up for privacy. Like, everyone complains about, we don't want the government. And it's like, hey, motherfuckers, where were you when this guy or stupid Hunter Biden's big dick is all over the internet? Where were you complaining about it? You just judged him on it. So I wish people would stop doing that.

• 1:20:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The, the, the Hunter Biden stuff, the fun stuff was like him smoking crack and hookers and getting foot jobs. This is just fun.

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  Did he get foot jobs?

• 1:21:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he did a lot of stuff. There's a lot of wild stuff going on in there. He's a wild boy, but I guess, you know, you're smoking crack.

• 1:21:09Speaker 01

  Sure. He had a tub, unshaven.

• 1:21:11Joe Rogan?

  You got no guardrails. You're off the fucking reservation.

• 1:21:14Speaker 01

  He's a naughty boy.

• 1:21:15Joe Rogan?

  But then the other stuff that was in there was really interesting.

• 1:21:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:21:18Joe Rogan?

  The emails about 10% to the big guy and all that stuff. And it's just brutal, rampant, obvious corruption. That they just look the other way because it's a Democrat. And it's just really strange.

• 1:21:31Speaker 01

  If Trump Jr. did anything that Hunter did.

• 1:21:34Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  They would kill him. Like, like, they would, it would be, the front page, it's all they would talk about.

• 1:21:39Joe Rogan?

  They certainly wouldn't have hid it from Twitter.

• 1:21:41Speaker 01

  They wouldn't have.

• 1:21:42Joe Rogan?

  Which was really crazy. It was a New York Post story and then FBI got involved. And the Twitter files, like, you know, when Schellenberger and Taibbi and all those guys went over the Twitter files.

• 1:21:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:55Joe Rogan?

  It's so damning. It's so, it's, it's so crazy that that's not so illegal that there's like massive trials on television and people are prosecuted for it.

• 1:22:06Speaker 01

  I guess with private companies or even though the, the media operates like-

• 1:22:10Joe Rogan?

  But it's the government. The government is what I'm concerned with because it's absolutely election interference.

• 1:22:15Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 1:22:16Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. Because there's a lot of people that were on the fence, you know? They, they didn't know whether they're going to vote for Trump or whether they're going to vote for Biden. They didn't know what they're going to do. And then they saw that and they were like, fuck this.

• 1:22:29Speaker 01

  And guys like Jack from, uh, from Twitter have come out and said like, yeah, we shouldn't have censored that story.

• 1:22:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:37Speaker 01

  But it's like too late now. It's like you did it and people were telling you when you did it.

• 1:22:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:41Speaker 01

  You shouldn't do it.

• 1:22:41Joe Rogan?

  Zuckerberg talked about it on this podcast. He talked about the FBI getting involved on the podcast censoring COVID information, censoring the laptop information and this weird feeling that he got from the government all of a sudden telling them what they- And some of the stuff that they were telling them they had to take down was actually true. Factual information. And they were like, oh, boy. And so they diminished its reach and they did a lot of weird shit.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  And the penalty for not taking it down would have been like, were they threatening them with like, uh, section 230 is a big one that all the big companies are scared of. Like if they change that, uh, because they said that like the internet, freedom comes from section 230. Where a company can't be held legally liable for what's posted on their site, which is how like you can post anything about people and the sites themselves can't get sued because they're like, yeah, we're just like a phone company.

• 1:23:30Joe Rogan?

  It's a public square.

• 1:23:31Speaker 01

  Public square. Uh, although it's not anymore. It's, it's much more ideologically based and it's much more of a publisher in my opinion than a public square. But maybe they threaten you with that or maybe that's where they start to go like, we'll see to it at 230. I mean, I'm guessing, but what else could they threaten them with?

• 1:23:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's a good question. I mean, just the fear of being on the wrong side of the government. I mean, that's the thing because then they could go after you like, you know, for someone like Zuckerberg who had already sat in front of those congressional hearings and, you know, they had already asked him about a bunch of different things that the company had done. And you remember those weird- Those weird hearings that he had to sit through where sip water very strange and people said he's a fucking robot. Probably so nervous.

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  Of course he is.

• 1:24:19Joe Rogan?

  Yes, Senator. No, Senator. Thank you for asking, Senator. Like, all those weird moments. Like, you gotta be terrified of those people because they could change laws or they could just decide to prosecute you for thi- I mean, look what's happening to the guy Durav from Telegram.

• 1:24:33Speaker 01

  I don't know that story.

• 1:24:34Joe Rogan?

  You don't know that story?

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:24:35Joe Rogan?

  He is essentially, uh, he's under house arrest in France. He has not been tried with anything. He has not been charged with anything. But what they're saying is essentially they want a backdoor to Telegram. Telegram is an encrypted app.

• 1:24:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:24:52Joe Rogan?

  And a lot of people use it for illegal things. Just like a lot of people use Twitter for illegal things. A lot of people use DMs for illegal things. They, I'm sure they use Signal for illegal things and WhatsApp for illegal things. And they wanted to, Telegram was especially popular amongst criminals. And they wanted to be able to get in there. But then the question is like, well, what do you determine as a criminal? Is it a political dissident? Like, is it, you know, what is it? What does it mean?

• 1:25:17Speaker 01

  Is, are you looking for underage people being photographed?

• 1:25:22Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:25:22Speaker 01

  Or are you looking at just people who, like, they can always expand what they consider to be illegal.

• 1:25:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:28Speaker 01

  I mean, they took Backpage down, so they can get certain companies. Like, if you don't do what they want you to do, there is a way for them to get you by saying you're too complicit in certain activities.

• 1:25:38Joe Rogan?

  That's the Silk Road. That's, that's what happened with that guy.

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  Ross Albrecht, yeah.

• 1:25:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and now he's luckily, uh, Trump freed him.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  Did he, did he pardon him?

• 1:25:46Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:25:46Speaker 01

  Oh, he did, okay.

• 1:25:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, we tried to get him on, but he's just not ready to talk, which is totally understandable.

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:52Joe Rogan?

  If you ever do, if you want to talk, I'd be happy to hear your story.

• 1:25:55Speaker 01

  Well, because you're probably afraid that they're gonna come with something else. Like, it's almost like, uh-

• 1:25:59Joe Rogan?

  You don't want to put it in their face. Like, now I'm out, fuck those people, what they did to me was wrong, and, oh, new charges.

• 1:26:05Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:26:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:06Speaker 01

  That's why whenever somebody's exonerated after thirty years of being in jail, they're like, I'm not even angry, I just want, because you're afraid you're gonna say the wrong thing and then you go, all right, we're gonna come back.

• 1:26:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was the really scary thing about the Trump stuff. Like, when they were trying to get him for thirty-four felony counts, none of those were a felony. All of them were past the statute of limitations. It was just bookkeeping errors or bookkeeping, you know, they, they wrote down the wrong things and they tried to hide the fact that he was making hush money payments. But the the reality of that legal system being used against you, lawfare being, you know, they target you, like the the real estate one, when they they tried to say that he overvalued Mar-a-Lago and it was really only worth eighteen million and so they charged him like hundreds of millions of dollars, which is fucking insane.

• 1:26:55Joe Rogan?

  Because Mar-a-Lago is an enormous piece of property that is on the most expensive place in the country, like that area, he's got, I think he's got, is it more than twenty acres there? I mean, it's a huge piece of property there. And the next door neighbor had a place that was like five acres and it sold for fifty million dollars, just the property.

• 1:27:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. So they fucked him.

• 1:27:18Joe Rogan?

  They fucked him. And it's obvious that they were fucking him. They were they were doing it because they were trying to make him a felon when he was running for president.

• 1:27:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, Letitia James went after him really badly in New York.

• 1:27:29Joe Rogan?

  And it turns out she had done some shit.

• 1:27:30Speaker 01

  Oh, little bank, little bank stuff going on, yeah.

• 1:27:33Joe Rogan?

  She did some shit.

• 1:27:33Speaker 01

  Mortgage questions, yeah.

• 1:27:35Joe Rogan?

  She did some inappropriate things.

• 1:27:38Speaker 01

  But he's a, whether people like him or not, I like, I don't always agree with him at all. But he's an amazing person, like to to have withstood that, the pressure of that. Again, just as a, to to continue with with the pressure that they were putting on him and the way they were coming after him and to still run again, I mean, it's it's the fucking craziest thing you're ever gonna see in your life.

• 1:27:58Joe Rogan?

  And they shot him.

• 1:27:59Speaker 01

  And they shot him and they were, the guy was gonna do it again, uh, or tried to, and another guy, and a fucking, oh, yeah, that the guy with the hole in the in the fence where his golf course was.

• 1:28:09Joe Rogan?

  Kooky.

• 1:28:10Speaker 01

  It's kooky. But it's like, and somebody pointed out to me, it's like, I mean, I'm surprised he doesn't expect this, it's like he went after them, like he he went after the CIA and the FBI, it's like, they're gonna make it their life's work to come after you now.

• 1:28:23Joe Rogan?

  It's also crazy when it gets real transparent like that, though. You know, but when someone like Zuckerberg or any of these other people that run afoul of the federal government or the intelligence agencies, when they see stuff like that, I understand why they comply.

• 1:28:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:37Joe Rogan?

  They're probably fucking terrified.

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  It is a little, or very scary when that, when you're on there, like you never want them to dig in and be focused on on you.

• 1:28:45Joe Rogan?

  Eye of Sauron.

• 1:28:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  We're coming for you and, because again, they don't pay, they don't pay legal fees, they can do it all day, they can do it through the next administration. Um, cause Letitia Jay, she would have to, uh, uh, what I didn't like about her, uh, was a lot. Uh, but I didn't like the fact that they went after Cuomo for his book money. Like, they went after Andrew Cuomo for his book money, I think. They wanted him to get back five, yeah.

• 1:29:08Joe Rogan?

  For what reason?

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  I don't know what her reasoning was. I mean, obviously she just wanted to stick it to him and fuck him. But I, I think it was that he, it was seen as some form of a government payment, or, I don't remember the technicality, but I remember being very annoyed that she was trying to go after, I think it was a five million dollar advance.

• 1:29:25Joe Rogan?

  Lawfare is fucking terrifying. It's terrifying when they do that to people when everybody could see it.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:29:30Joe Rogan?

  That's the real problem with the Trump one. And my problem wasn't, my, my real problem was like, don't these people understand, doesn't the general public with their lack of outrage, because, you know, he's on the right and they're on the left. Don't those people understand that now they've set a precedent and then they could use that on you now?

• 1:29:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:49Joe Rogan?

  Or anybody else. And if a Republican president gets in like there's in now,

• 1:29:55Joe Rogan?

  it could be easily used on his opponents because they've set a precedent. That's scary shit, man. It's really scary.

• 1:30:02Speaker 01

  And nobody, again, it's like whether it's with Donald Sterling and privacy, nobody sticks up for each other on principle. And the conservatives don't do it, like, they're, they're, they've got like the free speech thing in their corner now, much more than progressives do. But it's like, I don't hear them sticking up for progressives who are annoying. It's like, you have to stick up for people you don't like.

• 1:30:21Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  And that you think are shit. It's, it's not just, you're not a big free speech warrior if you only fucking raise a flag for people who agree with you. And I find them falling into that trap and it's like, don't fall into that fucking trap.

• 1:30:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:30:33Speaker 01

  Stick up for progressives who suck and who are saying stupid things. Defend their right to say it without getting in trouble. Don't look at them getting fired as, "Good, good case of your own medicine, like, we get it."

• 1:30:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:44Speaker 01

  But then that's how they justify you getting fired. So it drives me crazy that people don't defend other people's right to privacy or right to say what they want. And everyone in the country thinks they're a free speech absolutist, but they're not.

• 1:30:56Joe Rogan?

  They're not, yeah.

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  Elon's as close as I've seen, like, he doesn't seem to be shutting anybody up, like, regardless of what they say on his platform.

• 1:31:03Joe Rogan?

  People are talking shit about him every day.

• 1:31:05Speaker 01

  I saw one person was alluding to, uh, bad things happening to him, uh, you know, like wanting that or, I wouldn't say encouraging it, but close to encouraging it. And I'm like, if he's leaving that up, nobody has any room to complain.

• 1:31:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:19Speaker 01

  Like, if he leaves up horrible shit about himself, then...

• 1:31:21Joe Rogan?

  And but he also left up the Kanye song. The Hitler song?

• 1:31:26Speaker 01

  Oh, yes. Is that where he blew his cousin, or is that a different one?

• 1:31:28Joe Rogan?

  That's a different one.

• 1:31:29Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. All the hits.

• 1:31:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The, I mean, he's, the song is Heil Hitler. He's singing Heil Hitler, like, in a catchy song. It's like, wow. This is crazy.

• 1:31:41Speaker 01

  It is crazy, and I don't know Kanye West at all. I've never particularly loved him. I, I, I find a lot of it is just like, he'll just say the most troll. Like, something tells me he's gonna come back down to earth one day and go, "Look, I was off my medication. I didn't mean any of that shit that I said. I feel bad about it."

• 1:31:57Joe Rogan?

  I think he's gonna stay off his medication. I think when he puts on his medication, he can't be creative. I think part of his thing, whatever his, the way his mind works.

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:07Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean, it's, there's mania. There's, yeah.

• 1:32:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was gonna say, I, I understand that in a way because I've, I've always liked, you know, you go through your pressure, whatever, I'm like, do I wanna go on something? But I've always been scared that it would fuck up my...

• 1:32:20Joe Rogan?

  Probably will.

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  Creativity.

• 1:32:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it probably will. I mean, I think, I mean, I don't know what's going on in Kanye's mind, or anybody's mind, other than my own. But I would imagine that, you mean, a guy like Kanye, who's so prolific, I mean, he's put out so many albums, and he's a complete workaholic. And just has, like, when you talk to him, like, I had him on the podcast, and it's almost like when you're talking, he's upset. Like, he doesn't want, he wants to talk. He wants to just constantly talk.

• 1:32:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:48Joe Rogan?

  Like, his brain's like a tornado, just wahhh. It's all just going, all these different thoughts, and, but that's also why he can make so many great songs. It's like, it's all just pouring out of him. But, you know, it also gets out of hand. And then, you know, you wind up in the situation where he's in now.

• 1:33:05Speaker 01

  It also, he's the only person, he went into, him and Trump were, he was in Trump's office one time. And he's the only person I've ever seen Trump just kind of sit there and go, alright, well, whenever he's finished, I'll jump in. I've never seen anyone do that to Trump.

• 1:33:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, Trump was happy that any celebrity was on his side. Cause at that point, he was Hitler, you know? There was a lot of people that were calling him Hitler. And to have a guy like Kanye West, who is such a contrarian. Also, there was the thing because Obama said he was a jackass.

• 1:33:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:33:32Joe Rogan?

  And so he was like, oh, really? Well, fuck you.

• 1:33:34Speaker 01

  That's right. It was about the Taylor Swift thing.

• 1:33:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah.

• 1:33:39Speaker 01

  That guy's a jackass. Well, he wasn't even that harsh of an, and he said it privately, and I think somebody heard it, or it was picked up on a mic. I don't think he said it to be public. I thought, I thought he said it privately. And then somebody got the audio or whatever.

• 1:33:52Joe Rogan?

  Is that, was it really the Taylor Swift thing?

• 1:33:54Speaker 01

  I believe it was, yeah.

• 1:33:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, here it is. Here. Yeah, it wasn't. This young lady seems like a perfectly nice person. She's getting her award? What's he doing up there?

• 1:34:04Speaker 01

  Why would he do that?

• 1:34:05Joe Rogan?

  He's a jackass. No, no, this, all this stuff. Cut this out, look. I'm assuming all this stuff, where's the pool? Come on, guys. Cut the president some slack.

• 1:34:21Speaker 01

  See, it wasn't even that.

• 1:34:22Joe Rogan?

  And he wanted that cut out.

• 1:34:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:24Joe Rogan?

  That was private talk. Yeah.

• 1:34:25Speaker 01

  And it wasn't even said with real.

• 1:34:27Joe Rogan?

  Malice.

• 1:34:28Speaker 01

  Real rancor. Yeah, it was just like, he's a jackass. And people laugh.

• 1:34:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:32Speaker 01

  I guess that would annoy me if I was him. I mean.

• 1:34:34Joe Rogan?

  If I was him?

• 1:34:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:35Joe Rogan?

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• 1:35:44Speaker 01

  I guess so, yeah.

• 1:35:45Joe Rogan?

  I feel like I was being a jackass.

• 1:35:47Speaker 01

  But at what point do you, because everyone has a Joe Rogan opinion. Everyone weighs in on you. It's crazy. Like, I see on the Daily Mail all the time. At what point are you able to go like, "I just don't give a fuck what..."

• 1:35:57Joe Rogan?

  I don't read any of it.

• 1:35:58Speaker 01

  You don't care?

• 1:35:58Joe Rogan?

  Nope. I don't read any of it. No.

• 1:36:02Speaker 01

  I guess. Does it bother you? Has it ever bothered you?

• 1:36:04Joe Rogan?

  You can't do anything about it. Why would it bother you? What are you gonna do? You gonna change their mind? You know, you can't. And a lot of it is disingenuous. A lot of it, they don't know you. They don't listen to what you say. You know, if they're far right. Whenever they say "far right," "far right" podcast, I'm like, "Okay." Yeah.

• 1:36:20Speaker 01

  I've had comics say that. Like, they just don't know. And I'm like, "You don't really, you've really never paid attention." I mean, he's stuck up for gay marriage. He loves Bernie. Like, it's crazy when you hear... I was very jealous that you, and I talked to Hinchcliffe about this, when you interviewed Magnus.

• 1:36:35Joe Rogan?

  Magnus Carlsen?

• 1:36:36Speaker 01

  Carlsen. Yeah, there's very few people I really want to meet that I haven't met. But he's somebody. You see him, like, bang the chessboard. That was like big moves in chess.

• 1:36:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he lost. He made a fumble. He fucked up. He was ahead of the game.

• 1:36:47Speaker 01

  He was winning, yeah.

• 1:36:48Joe Rogan?

  Made a blunder.

• 1:36:49Speaker 01

  And it was. But here's the genius of the people, like, they actually call it, like, a sport. And the people watching it knew he fucked up, which means they're all geniuses.

• 1:36:59Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:37:00Speaker 01

  "Magnus blundered! Magnus blundered!" They couldn't believe he had made that. It was, I think it was a rook move. But he's somebody I would like to, uh, I don't know what I'd talk to him about.

• 1:37:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's fascinating. Fascinating. Any high achiever, or really high-level person like that, world champion in something that's insanely difficult. They're fascinating people. I feel that way about MMA fighters.

• 1:37:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:23Joe Rogan?

  Any kind of pro athlete. Anybody who's like Aaron Rodgers, like, any, any high-level performer. Those are very... Very, very unusual people.

• 1:37:30Speaker 01

  Do you give them slack like, and I mean, just in your brain as a person like if they're a little whatever. Unless they're rude, they're rude, but if somebody's a little quirky or weird, if you're that good at something, that might just be the price you pay.

• 1:37:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  Like Bobby Fischer, I love. He's one of my favorite people ever, even though he completely went berserk. But I just, I have such an affection for Bobby Fischer and I'm like, ah, it's just, he's such a genius that sometimes it just, there's a price you pay. It gets away from you.

• 1:37:57Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent. I think it absolutely does and can. And I think that when you, you're dealing with a high level performer in any discipline. Whatever drives them to be that much better than anybody else probably makes them insane. I mean, I just don't think, I don't think real true excellence comes without a price. I don't, I don't think there's any way to get there without just not being balanced in a bunch of other areas of your life. Because you're focusing almost all of your attention on one very specific thing, whether it's moving chess pieces around or throwing a football, whatever the fuck it is.

• 1:38:35Joe Rogan?

  Like you're, there's no way you can be balanced in every aspect of your life if you want to be five percent better than anybody who's ever done it.

• 1:38:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it is weird too, like because to be better than everybody at something.

• 1:38:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:48Speaker 01

  It's, I mean, whether, like if you ever talked to somebody at a party, just when our life is doing stand up and they're talking about their job, a lot of times I'm like, oh, shut the fuck, I don't care. Give a shit.

• 1:38:58Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:38:58Speaker 01

  Um, so to be that on such a level better than everyone on earth at something has got, it's gotta be hard not to live in that place.

• 1:39:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:06Speaker 01

  Where.

• 1:39:06Joe Rogan?

  You can't relate.

• 1:39:07Speaker 01

  Very few things are interesting, uh, very few things are moving.

• 1:39:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:39:13Speaker 01

  Like Buzz Aldrin, uh, he snapped at me when we interviewed him. He's a bit of a cranky, uh, guy. Let's not dilly-dally, I've gotta get to CNN. Fuck you Buzz.

• 1:39:21Joe Rogan?

  Is that what he said to you?

• 1:39:21Speaker 01

  Yes. I asked, I asked him a question, a good question about his book on Mars. I asked him about space travel and I said about, uh, what type of psychological testing would you maybe need to go on a three year space trip?

• 1:39:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:33Speaker 01

  And, uh.

• 1:39:34Joe Rogan?

  Good question.

• 1:39:35Speaker 01

  Thank you. Uh, John, I felt it was too. Buzz did not. He fucking snapped at me. So I, but I, but again, like Reagan had a bit about him walking on the moon and it's like when you've gone there. It's almost like anything else, and I took it by the way, because it was Buzz. I wasn't gonna yell at him. It's like, he's fucking Buzz Aldrin, whatever. I'm an annoying blinking idiot, asking a question that I think sounds smart, and he just shut me up. But like, how, how do you find other people interesting when you're that guy?

• 1:39:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:40:00Speaker 01

  When you've done that, maybe my question was just banal and stupid.

• 1:40:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a lot of people like that, that are the best at the, whatever the fuck they do, that they can't relate to anybody else. Other than other people that do their thing, and they're usually very competitive with those people, so they've alienated them from their friend group as well. Which is really kinda crazy.

• 1:40:18Speaker 01

  Well, the worst is people who think they're that guy, and who are just...

• 1:40:21Joe Rogan?

  And they're mediocre.

• 1:40:22Speaker 01

  They're just, like, average comics.

• 1:40:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's the wor- the comics are the worst with that. The, the narcissist comics that believe they're better than everybody else when they're just mediocre is crazy. And then they just, like, shit on all the other comics. It's like, do you ever watch your own act? Like, do you don't hate your act? Like, that's crazy.

• 1:40:40Speaker 01

  It, it is, and, and you think you're doing Shakespeare, and like, every comic, like, we all have a narcissistic quality. Like, you need that to be in front of people, "Look at me!" Like, that's a narcissistic quality. But there's a difference between that and being like a legit narcissist.

• 1:40:53Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:40:54Speaker 01

  And the way comics are fucking, they're very petty about guys, like, they attack Matt Rife. I'm like, he's harmless, he's just out there doing his act in front of fucking 20,000 people.

• 1:41:02Joe Rogan?

  They hate him because he's successful.

• 1:41:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:41:04Joe Rogan?

  But if he was nobody, they wouldn't hate him. That's all it is, man. There's so many, you very rarely see these comics attacking someone who's not doing as well as them.

• 1:41:14Speaker 01

  It's always a guy who is doing better, who they feel, "I'm entitled..."

• 1:41:18Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't deserve it.

• 1:41:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, my comedy is so much more cerebral, so much more interesting, like, oh, is it really?

• 1:41:25Speaker 01

  I, I, that's one thing I'll say for myself, and this, I have a lot of faults, but I've always put the blame squarely where it belongs. On me.

• 1:41:32Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:41:33Speaker 01

  I never think it's the world.

• 1:41:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why everybody loves you. It's, it, I mean, that's a very good quality to have. You know, like, maybe self-deprecating to a fault.

• 1:41:41Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:41:41Joe Rogan?

  Like, you're a little bit self-deprecating to a fault, like, I don't care, I don't know how many times I've had to tell you, "No, Jim, you're fucking great, stop." You know, like you and I've had a lot of those conversations.

• 1:41:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I but I don't do it for.

• 1:41:52Joe Rogan?

  But it's better than me saying, Jim, you're not great.

• 1:41:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, Jim, you're okay.

• 1:41:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Jesus fucking Christ, leave everybody else alone and look at yourself.

• 1:41:59Speaker 01

  But I don't I don't do that because I want people to compliment me either. Like I I'm never out there going, gee, guys, am I fat?

• 1:42:05Joe Rogan?

  Nah.

• 1:42:07Speaker 01

  But but it's the guys who think like I I I went and watched and I don't know Matt. I just I went and watched some of his clips. I'm like, he's funny, he's just doing crowd work, like, what's the problem?

• 1:42:14Joe Rogan?

  And he's good at it.

• 1:42:15Speaker 01

  He's good at it.

• 1:42:16Joe Rogan?

  It's the reason why the arena is full. First of all, very handsome, good looking guy, cute, adorable, lovable. Really nice guy in real life. I knew him before he was ever famous. I met him when he was 20 years old, he was coming around the store. He was a nice fucking guy. I've been friends with him for a long time. I don't understand that hate. But I, you know, I was coming from a different position, you know? I was coming from a position where I was already famous and I wasn't looking to be more. I wasn't, you know, there's some people that like always feel like they haven't gotten enough. They haven't gotten enough credit, haven't gotten enough respect. You know, the the these other people are stealing from them.

• 1:42:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:52Joe Rogan?

  It's a famine mentality. It's a terrible mentality to carry around with you because you never heal from it. If you go through life with this famine mindset and everybody else is doing better than you, like you, you have the worst attitude ever for getting good at things. Because you're always going to be focusing too much of your attention on other people.

• 1:43:11Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:43:12Joe Rogan?

  You're really sabotaging yourself, whether you believe it or not.

• 1:43:14Speaker 01

  What they're getting, what they're doing, it's the feeling of entitlement. Like if I was, if I was bitter about every person that used to open for me that passed me, I mean, I'd be on a comedy club roof with an AR-15. I'm just, I couldn't handle it. I mean, you have to learn to live with it and go like, yeah, you know what? I recognized people that were funny. Like, I like funny people and I was right about certain people, like they're really good comics. So, yeah, it's that sense of entitlement that guys get that drives me fucking crazy. But I see them attacking certain people doing well and I'm like, I don't, they always did it to Carrot Top, even though he's actually funny, he's a funny comic.

• 1:43:47Joe Rogan?

  It's a funny show.

• 1:43:48Speaker 01

  He's got a great brain.

• 1:43:49Joe Rogan?

  I've been doing a show in Vegas, it's fucking great and he's a really nice guy.

• 1:43:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's a great guy.

• 1:43:53Joe Rogan?

  He's not a mean guy, it's, doesn't deserve anyone's hate. He's a sweetheart.

• 1:43:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:57Joe Rogan?

  You know, when I had him on. On the podcast, he was so happy and so thankful that like someone wasn't shitting on him. And they said like, dude, I got great crowds now. My crowds are packed. Like, it's a great show. If you're in Vegas, go check them out.

• 1:44:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:09Joe Rogan?

  It's fun. And he's a really nice guy.

• 1:44:11Speaker 01

  And I watched him, uh, like on Kill Tony, there's a clip of him and they pulling up these things and like gay mouse. It was a disco ball over a mousetrap and it was so stupid, but it's, it was really his funny stuff.

• 1:44:23Joe Rogan?

  Just silly.

• 1:44:24Speaker 01

  Comedians think all props are bad or all, and me and Colin talked about that one time and he goes, why should the hacks own McDonald's? Like, meaning like if you have something that's original and funny to say about a subject, who cares if hacks have touched it? If your thought is original.

• 1:44:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh shit.

• 1:44:37Speaker 01

  Fuck them.

• 1:44:38Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:44:38Speaker 01

  Um, and it's this weird thing where comics think they sound smarter if they go after certain things.

• 1:44:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's stupid.

• 1:44:45Speaker 01

  It's dumb.

• 1:44:46Joe Rogan?

  It's a dumb perspect- it should be, here's the world through my eyes and everything is in the world. Traffic is in the world. If you have a traffic joke and it's actually legitimate. Like, maybe you have a perspective on traffic that I've never heard before. Maybe your airline travel bit will be the airline travel bit that I really love. Cause you know, there's, that's the problem with comics too, is that when you're on the road too much, your experiences are very limited. Because all you're doing is performing in front of people, hanging out in the green room, going to dinner, flying in a airplane, staying in a hotel. So how many comics have jokes about hotel rooms and, and, you know, they knock on the door even when the do not disturb is on and you're jerking off? Like, how many guys have done those jokes?

• 1:45:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:45:27Joe Rogan?

  But it's just, cause you're, you have a very limited experience to draw from.

• 1:45:31Speaker 01

  I actually, I, I started taking days off. Um, and my wife and I will go on vacation somewhere, we'll do, because it becomes where you're feeding on yourself. Like, you, you're only doing A, B, C, D, A, B, C, and there's no life.

• 1:45:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:45:44Speaker 01

  And I'm like, what am I gonna fucking talk about? We get it. You were at Newark Airport. It sucks.

• 1:45:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:47Speaker 01

  So I, I, I just wanted to do more life things. A, cause it's fun to do, but B, it's like, just, I allowed myself to, cause I'm like, you could at least talk about it. On stage, it's not, you can't just talk about being a comic or you're.

• 1:46:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:46:01Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm almost too much talking about myself. Like, I want to start talking about other things. I just feel like the only thing I'm really qualified to discuss in my own life, but I kinda wanna talk about other shit too, cause like, life is kinda stable now and it's, I, I don't know what to do with that. I don't know how to handle, you know what I mean? Like, not being out and being crazy and fucking riding around for four hours a night with a piss cup in my car. I mean, it was just, it was an ugly, it was a fucking ugly scene show. So I did when ONA were kicked off the, I would ride around and just fucking, just ride around for, for, for four hours a night. List, I couldn't listen to any comedy. I couldn't because I was so in such a fucking depression. I would put on sports radio 660, uh, Joe Benigno overnight. I don't know, you know who he is?

• 1:46:41Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:46:42Speaker 01

  He was a guy on 660, 240 on the fan, and he was a Jet fan and he was a fucking maniac. But I would listen to him complain about the Jets and, or Art Bell. I fell in love with Art Bell.

• 1:46:52Joe Rogan?

  Right there.

• 1:46:53Speaker 01

  Ah, I didn't even notice that.

• 1:46:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's on the wall now.

• 1:46:56Speaker 01

  That's how I heard about Michio Kaku was from, was from him.

• 1:46:59Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 1:47:00Speaker 01

  Um, and I tell you, he lived in my building in New York.

• 1:47:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you did tell me that.

• 1:47:03Speaker 01

  So I, uh, would listen to Art Bell and I would listen to Joe Benigno and just look at hookers all night and, uh, I'd piss in a cup and I would fucking ride around and it was just my, my way of, and go to bed, wake up maybe eight hours later and go do tough crowd when I was on. It was a very crazy fucking time.

• 1:47:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, when ONA got pulled, that was, uh, that was an interesting moment of censorship, right? Like that homeless guy came on and said terrible things about Condoleezza Rice.

• 1:47:30Speaker 01

  And the queen of, no, that's a different, when we got fired was for Sex for Sam. That was, uh, 2002.

• 1:47:36Joe Rogan?

  Someone had sex in a, uh,

• 1:47:37Speaker 01

  Church, yeah.

• 1:47:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's right.

• 1:47:42Speaker 01

  But the company had signed off on the bit. Like I got why they were mad, but they had signed off. It was a sponsored bit. The company knew what was going on. So ONA could have survived that if the company didn't, uh,

• 1:47:53Joe Rogan?

  Throw them under the bus.

• 1:47:54Speaker 01

  Panic. And in fairness, it's so much, it's so funny, like, regular radio is what saved the career because when XM suspended the show for a month, we were on K-Rock at that time.

• 1:48:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:48:04Speaker 01

  And they kept us on for the month.

• 1:48:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:48:06Speaker 01

  So then eventually we came back to satellite a month later, but I think they would have fired us.

• 1:48:10Joe Rogan?

  Those days, yeah.

• 1:48:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's, I'm, I'm not doing radio now. It's the first time in 20 years. It's very strange.

• 1:48:14Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:48:15Speaker 01

  To, uh, to not have to be up. Um, I get up at like nine now and just go to the gym. So I have some kind of schedule, but it's very weird after 20 years to be gone from that day.

• 1:48:27Joe Rogan?

  You've been on radio forever. It's been more than 20 years, hasn't it?

• 1:48:30Speaker 01

  Well, it was 20 on this run and like,

• 1:48:32Joe Rogan?

  But when did the ONA start?

• 1:48:34Speaker 01

  ONA I did in like 2001, 2002.

• 1:48:38Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:48:39Speaker 01

  We got fired, came back on October of 04 and my contract expired at the end of December. Jan, uh, of 24. So it was about 22 years total.

• 1:48:51Joe Rogan?

  Every comic owes ONA a debt of gratitude. All of us do. Without them, I don't think there would be podcasts. I think that was the real podcast. Because that was the first time we realized. Because ONA did the show with no structure. Whereas like, I did Howard a bunch of times, but when you did Howard, you were a guest.

• 1:49:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:09Joe Rogan?

  They wanted stuff that you were gonna talk about. They had questions for you. They had setups. You know, they were ready. And then a couple of times I did Howard where you would write jokes for him. So you would sit there and there was an overhead projector. It was the Jackie chair, when Jackie left.

• 1:49:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:49:22Joe Rogan?

  So they brought a bunch of us in and then Ari wound up doing it. Uh, all the time. Uh, I couldn't do it. I was just like, it was too early in the morning.

• 1:49:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:30Joe Rogan?

  It was like, I didn't want to live in New York. But I did it a bunch of times. But it was structured, you know, and Howard was always in control of it and he's actually running the keys.

• 1:49:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:49:38Joe Rogan?

  He's, he's running the board, the soundboard. And, you know, it was a very structured show and, you know, that's how he did it forever. I get it. But the way ONA did it was so different. There was no structure. You'd go in there, you'd sit and just have fun.

• 1:49:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:52Joe Rogan?

  And it would be Patrice and you and me and then fucking, uh, you know, everybody would come in.

• 1:49:57Speaker 01

  Voss, Bobby.

• 1:49:57Joe Rogan?

  Voss and Bobby and all these different people would come in and Burr and, you know, I mean, and it was some of the wildest moments ever, like the baby bird. That's

• 1:50:07Speaker 01

  I'll never see anything crazier than that in my life. Uh, never.

• 1:50:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah. He died recently, huh?

• 1:50:14Speaker 01

  Pat from Unaki, yeah.

• 1:50:15Joe Rogan?

  Pat from Unaki.

• 1:50:16Speaker 01

  Pat Philbin, I think his name was.

• 1:50:17Joe Rogan?

  Rest in peace, Pat from Unaki. That one thing that you did that one day was one of the most shocking things I've ever seen in my fucking life.

• 1:50:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:25Joe Rogan?

  It was, uh, Ari was there with me, Burr was there. And I remember it was my idea.

• 1:50:32Speaker 01

  I think it was, right?

• 1:50:33Joe Rogan?

  Because, you know, I was doing Fear Factor at the time. I was used to people doing horrible shit. And I was like, how about you lean your head over the garbage can and he throws up in your mouth?

• 1:50:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:44Joe Rogan?

  And fucking Pat Duffy, who was such a psycho, he was like, okay. He would do anything. He brushed his teeth with cat shit.

• 1:50:52Speaker 01

  I, I thought it was dog shit, but you might be right, but I'm gonna say Pat Duffy was a fucking-

• 1:50:55Joe Rogan?

  Fucking psycho.

• 1:50:56Speaker 01

  He, he was like a marine if interns had that. He was a seal.

• 1:51:00Joe Rogan?

  He was a seal.

• 1:51:00Speaker 01

  Fearless.

• 1:51:01Joe Rogan?

  Fearless.

• 1:51:01Speaker 01

  He was funny. He didn't give a fuck. He got it. He was great.

• 1:51:04Joe Rogan?

  He was great. He was the best, like, radio employee of all time.

• 1:51:07Speaker 01

  He really was.

• 1:51:08Joe Rogan?

  And that, that moment was the fucking craziest thing I'd ever seen in my life. I couldn't believe it was happening. And the amount of vomit that was coming out of Pat's mouth. When he was throwing it into Pat Duffy's face. And Pat was lying there with his mouth open. Letting, I mean, people at home listening to this, you go, come on. There's cellphone footage of this.

• 1:51:27Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:51:28Joe Rogan?

  From like, a 2002 cell- there it is.

• 1:51:31Speaker 01

  2007, yeah.

• 1:51:32Joe Rogan?

  Was it 2007?

• 1:51:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think, cause we're in K-Rock. That's the K-Rock studio right there.

• 1:51:35Joe Rogan?

  Look at him, he throws up in his mouth. His mouth's wide open. It was so disgusting. And it kept coming.

• 1:51:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:41Joe Rogan?

  Because Pat drank like some fucking, like-

• 1:51:44Speaker 01

  Seventy something things of eggnog.

• 1:51:45Joe Rogan?

  It was like two gallons of eggnog. It was fucking insane. And he had di- oh, there it goes. There it goes. And it would just keep coming. Like, you're like, no, it's over. And if you hear us in the studio, we're all screaming.

• 1:52:00Joe Rogan?

  And he just keeps throwing up. You think it's over? You think it's over? Nope. He's got more. And at the end, I mean, it's cartoons.

• 1:52:11Joe Rogan?

  It's like that scene in Stand By Me with the blueberry eating contest.

• 1:52:14Speaker 01

  Yes. Or in, uh, Monty Python-

• 1:52:16Joe Rogan?

  And it keeps going. It keeps going. It doesn't end. He thinks it's over. Oh, it was fucking, absolutely, completely insane.

• 1:52:24Speaker 01

  Do you ever see the Meaning of Life, Monty Python?

• 1:52:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:26Speaker 01

  When the guy, one, a wafer thin mince, monsieur, and he starts vomiting, get me a bucket, I'm gonna throw up.

• 1:52:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:52:33Speaker 01

  That's what he reminds me of, because he's not moving. He's standing there and his mouth opens and the vomit just shoot. Dude, usually you retch and you move, but he just opened his mouth and it was like a button got pushed and it fucking shoot. It's the craziest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life.

• 1:52:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and if it wasn't, there it is.

• 1:52:50Speaker 01

  It's just shooting.

• 1:52:52Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, it's just like, but it's not, that's not even his extreme.

• 1:52:54Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:52:55Joe Rogan?

  Look how fat that guy is.

• 1:52:55Speaker 01

  I mean, he was just great.

• 1:52:56Joe Rogan?

  Insane.

• 1:52:57Speaker 01

  A wafer thin mint.

• 1:52:59Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, that show, having that kind of a format, let us all realize how fun it is to just get comics together and just talk shit.

• 1:53:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:08Joe Rogan?

  You know, and then when Anthony started doing Live from the Compound, when he did his own show, that was real, and then, of course, Tom Green's show, because Tom Green had his own show in his living room, and I was a guest on that, too, and I was like, that really lit the light bulb in my head.

• 1:53:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:22Joe Rogan?

  But when Anthony started doing his own show from his basement, I was like, why don't I do something like that? You know, I could see, and he had a professional setup, he had, he had fucking beer kegs, and he had beer on tap, and he was doing karaoke with a machine gun.

• 1:53:35Speaker 01

  With a machine gun. I mean, just a psychopath singing, "You Light Up My Life" with a fucking AR-15.

• 1:53:41Joe Rogan?

  But he was having a good time, and I remember the radio station was trying to get him to stop doing it. XM or Sirius, whoever it was, was trying to get him to stop doing it, and he was like, but why? It's not radio.

• 1:53:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:53:53Joe Rogan?

  If anything, he's getting more people to watch the radio show.

• 1:53:56Speaker 01

  He would do it on weekends. He didn't interfere with the show, it was like, he would just go and fuck around and...

• 1:54:01Joe Rogan?

  That was back when we were on Pal Talk, too, remember?

• 1:54:04Speaker 01

  Oh, god, yeah.

• 1:54:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the video would be on Pal Talk, because most people would only be watching or listening on radio.

• 1:54:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:54:11Joe Rogan?

  But then they would broadcast live on Pal Talk, because it was like so unheard of, like, nobody was doing that.

• 1:54:16Speaker 01

  That was how the Anthony Weiner dick photo got out.

• 1:54:19Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:54:19Speaker 01

  That was from Opie and Anthony. That was, we had Vincent D'Onofrio in studio, and we had, um, Andrew Breitbart. And, uh, because I had met Breitbart doing Red Eye on Fox, so they both came in and we were talking, and the Pal Talk window was open, and apparently, I didn't, like, Andrew had the picture of Anthony Weiner's dick. So he showed us in studio, we just looked at it on the phone, I didn't, but apparently Anthony held it up to the Pal Talk window and showed them, and somebody grabbed it.

• 1:54:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:54:48Speaker 01

  And that was how that photo got out.

• 1:54:51Joe Rogan?

  Wow, Sirius XM in sticky situations?

• 1:54:55Joe Rogan?

  I want an investigation from Sirius into what the hell happened there, Breitbart says after he shows an X-rated picture to Shock Jocks, Opie and Anthony, who then share it on Twitter

• 1:55:05Speaker 01

  Oh, maybe one of the guys tweeted it too. Yeah. But I, it was one of the, but Breitbart got mad at me, and he's like, I was friends with Jim Norton, and he told this to Elliot Spitzer on his show, and he goes, and he betrayed me, but I really didn't, it wasn't me, I was doing Tom Papa's fucking podcast.

• 1:55:17Joe Rogan?

  So he thought you did it.

• 1:55:19Speaker 01

  He thought I set him up, but I really didn't.

• 1:55:20Joe Rogan?

  But you didn't.

• 1:55:21Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:55:21Joe Rogan?

  Uh.

• 1:55:21Speaker 01

  Um, and I saw him years later in LA, and we, I explained it to him, and he was very cool, I was happy, because right before he died, so, I always liked him, I was happy that we, at least, I got to tell him, dude, that wasn't me, at all.

• 1:55:31Joe Rogan?

  Did they whack him?

• 1:55:32Speaker 01

  Did they whack Andrew Breitbart?

• 1:55:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:34Speaker 01

  No, because they would've crashed the site, I mean, he was doing coke, right? Wasn't it an overdose or something?

• 1:55:38Joe Rogan?

  I think he had a heart attack.

• 1:55:39Speaker 01

  Oh, it was a heart attack, I thought it was, here, I'm just starting rumors, he was doing coke, right?

• 1:55:42Joe Rogan?

  I don't remember, I mean, maybe he was doing coke, but I think it was a heart attack.

• 1:55:46Speaker 01

  Oh, it might've been.

• 1:55:46Joe Rogan?

  But I think there was a lot of suspicion that he might've got whacked.

• 1:55:49Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:55:49Joe Rogan?

  Because, yeah, he was one of those guys that was, you know, exposing a lot of shit.

• 1:55:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they didn't, they didn't crash the site, did the site change after he was gone?

• 1:55:58Joe Rogan?

  He was wearing headphones.

• 1:56:00Speaker 01

  God damn it, it's just so natural.

• 1:56:02Joe Rogan?

  He had them on, he used to put them on.

• 1:56:03Speaker 01

  No wonder I was enjoying myself so much.

• 1:56:04Joe Rogan?

  We did, when Liberace winks at me, Liberace got you to wear headphones.

• 1:56:08Speaker 01

  He sure did.

• 1:56:09Joe Rogan?

  I just noticed that you were wearing them.

• 1:56:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't notice either, but when Liberace winks, you have to hear it in both ears.

• 1:56:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there was some, there was some speculation that he got whacked, but whenever anybody dies, there's speculation they got whacked.

• 1:56:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't, I didn't know that, um, but I felt bad about that.

• 1:56:27Joe Rogan?

  Was that?

• 1:56:27Speaker 04

  Collapsed on the street near his home.

• 1:56:30Joe Rogan?

  Collapsed on the street near his home?

• 1:56:31Speaker 04

  Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.

• 1:56:34Joe Rogan?

  Mmm, focal coronary arthrosclerosis, died from congestive, congestive heart failure, which had been diagnosed the year before, oh, so he had a heart attack.

• 1:56:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:56:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I mean, when you're running a site like that, I mean, imagine the stress.

• 1:56:51Speaker 01

  It's constant.

• 1:56:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and then, you know, you're also, like, your, your business is exposing people politically, and opening up yourself to potential assassination.

• 1:57:00Speaker 01

  Well, who do you think put up the Opie and Anthony homeless Charlie audio?

• 1:57:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he did?

• 1:57:04Speaker 01

  It was Andrew Breitbart, it was before I knew him, but that, that's where it went up on Breitbart, and the headline was, will this crash, will this stop the merger between Sirius and XM?

• 1:57:15Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:57:16Speaker 01

  So that was why they reacted. Because they were afraid. I think people in regular radio wanted to stop that merger.

• 1:57:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, 100%.

• 1:57:23Speaker 01

  So they, uh...

• 1:57:24Joe Rogan?

  Radio was terrified of Sirius XM.

• 1:57:26Speaker 01

  They were terrified of it, and I thi- so I think they pushed that story hoping that it would fucking tank the merger, which of course it did not.

• 1:57:33Joe Rogan?

  You remember those days when you first went over there? It was so crazy because we could talk like we could talk in the green room.

• 1:57:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:39Joe Rogan?

  We could swear, we'd call someone a cunt. You could say anything you want. It was crazy.

• 1:57:44Speaker 01

  They never, I'll tell you one thing about Sirius, even though I didn't like the way the contra- way my time there ended, I, I, I wish that was handled a little bit better, but I guess everybody who leaves a gig wishes things were handled differently. They never once fucked with me about content. I'll say that for them. They never came to me and goes, "Hey, man, we, that thing you talked about, could you not, could you back off?" Even long into where everybody was getting cancelled and in trouble, Sirius never came and, and asked me not to say something. Um, uh, Jim McClure, who ran the channel, never broke my balls about jokes we did or a stance we would take, like, they kinda let that go.

• 1:58:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, they had a crazy situation where they, you knew that one person was getting insane amounts of money.

• 1:58:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:58:25Joe Rogan?

  Howard Stern, and everybody else was getting very little. It was real weird.

• 1:58:30Speaker 01

  It was-

• 1:58:30Joe Rogan?

  You know, because it was very open that Howard was getting all that money, which obviously he was the reason why everybody went over there in the first place.

• 1:58:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, he, he-

• 1:58:38Joe Rogan?

  I get it.

• 1:58:38Speaker 01

  It was, it was Sirius, and we were at XM and he was at Sirius, and that was the giant get was Howard going over.

• 1:58:43Joe Rogan?

  Also, there's also the thing that if he leaves, the stock collapses, especially now.

• 1:58:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:50Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean, if, if you don't have Howard Stern anymore, what do you got? What do you have that's not available for free?

• 1:58:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. I sold my Sirius stock, so whatever happens. I, I did, I was happy. It spiked up to like seven and I fucking dumped.

• 1:59:01Joe Rogan?

  Were you allowed to sell while you were working there? Did you have to wait till you weren't working there?

• 1:59:04Speaker 01

  Uh, they, nobody ca- nobody asked. They didn't give me stock.

• 1:59:07Joe Rogan?

  Did they give you stock or you bought it?

• 1:59:08Speaker 01

  No, I bought it, I bought it, I bought it years before when I thought they were gonna go bankrupt. Uh, we, we bought a little bit. But I was, that's when I told you about the lawsuits, when I was getting sued, so I didn't buy as much because I was paying for fucking lawyers. Um, but yeah, they tried to cut me like an unreasonable amount, and so we were still negotiating, and then they just go, "Oh yeah, we're not gonna renew." They waited till Christmas break and they go, "We're not gonna renew." So I was like, "All right." I guess I get why they did that, but...

• 1:59:30Joe Rogan?

  But it's gotta be weird when you're over there and you know that Stern is getting hundreds of millions of dollars, and everybody else is like, you know, they're just pinching pennies with people.

• 1:59:39Speaker 01

  I never minded that, and really didn't care because- I only cared about what I was getting and when I saw what they gave certain podcasters that went over there. I'm like, okay, they do have the money. So if they're choosing not to give it to me.

• 1:59:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:53Speaker 01

  I have to just accept that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I never knew what Opie and Anthony made. I still to this day don't know what their salary was. I never asked.

• 2:00:01Joe Rogan?

  That's great.

• 2:00:02Speaker 01

  Begrudge those guys. I never gave a fuck. Like, you know, they were the brand. Opie, Anthony. It was like, they took me in. So I never cared what they got. I never felt entitled to their money. And I never asked what they made. Even when me and Opie did a show, I never said, what you making? Like, they gave me a raise, but I didn't. I don't look at money like that. Like, where I have to know what you're making. Cause it's like.

• 2:00:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's good. That's a healthy way to look at it.

• 2:00:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. So whatever Howard made, I'm sure some of it was inflated, but like.

• 2:00:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he made a lot of fucking money.

• 2:00:29Speaker 01

  He did.

• 2:00:30Joe Rogan?

  He made a lot of fucking money. But, but again, if he's not there, how are you selling it? If he's not there, what are you, what are you selling that's not available for free everywhere?

• 2:00:40Speaker 01

  That's why I was like bummed about the way it happened. I'm like, cause we did a talk show. Maybe they were just like, eh, we can put more money into the rest of the channel if Jim goes. Whatever. I'm glad I'm doing a podcast. Like, I haven't noticed any change in my life, which is great. Uh, cause I'm on the road more making, you know, I'm making money on the road, but it's weird not having it. It's weird. It's weird not knowing that it's there.

• 2:01:00Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right. Yeah.

• 2:01:02Speaker 01

  It hasn't affected anything, but the knowledge that that income was gonna be there is gone. So it's a kind of a weird naked feeling.

• 2:01:10Joe Rogan?

  Does it make you more motivated to do stuff though? To like, to get your own thing going on?

• 2:01:15Speaker 01

  In the, I'm on the road more now. Like, I'm doing extra road work. And the special was one of those things where. I wanted to do one anyway, but it more, like, I shot it in November. And before we even came back from break, I had my channel set up. I had already started doing episodes. Um, I was like, fuck this. I'm not sitting and waiting. It's not gonna take me a year.

• 2:01:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:35Speaker 01

  I'm just gonna get up and if it takes me a year to get moving, fine, but I'm gonna start now.

• 2:01:40Joe Rogan?

  What is Sam doing these days?

• 2:01:41Speaker 01

  He's doing a show. They gave him the show.

• 2:01:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so he's still on the show and they got rid of you?

• 2:01:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:01:45Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:01:46Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, I kinda saw that coming. I used to. Yeah, I mean, I, I almost. They had cut me the year before, a little bit, but again, I'm not unreasonable. I'm not a fucking idiot. People take cuts.

• 2:01:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they cut your money?

• 2:01:59Speaker 01

  Yes, by 10%, but I'm like, you know what? It's still good money. My wife had just come to the States. I'm like, I want to make sure I have money for lawyers, whatever. And then I told my manager, they're gonna cut me by this much, guaranteed, and they almost to the dollar offered me what I predicted. So we pushed back and tried to negotiate and they were acting like they were negotiating and then the day, the day of Christmas break, like when we were off the air for two weeks, I got the call like, yeah, we're not gonna... So they were just kind of, I think, keeping it going until that, but I don't, I don't have any bad, I truly don't like, they bought me two apartments. I had a great life there. I fucking, I broadcasted for 20 years. Like, it's time to move on anyway.

• 2:02:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and I was telling you a long time ago that you could be doing better on the internet anyway by your own.

• 2:02:41Speaker 01

  I think, yeah, I remember, I remember you talking to me, I mean, 2017, around, even before then about podcast, I, I wasn't allowed to podcast because of my, uh, my contract. They wouldn't allow it, and I think that was one of the sticking points with this one. I was like, I have to be able to do my own podcast. Especially if I'm taking a cut. Um, and I'll just eat shit for a while until it gets where I want it to go.

• 2:03:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have to be able to be your own boss in this day and age. It's just, it's not, it's, and also the, as big as Sirius XM was, it's just not that anymore, you know? It's just not what it used to be. Like, if, if I didn't have a podcast and during the Opie and Anthony days, when it was his height, if they offered me a show, I'd be like, whoa, okay. That would have made sense. But now I'd be like, what am I, what? Unless I wanted to do kind of what Howard's done, just make a ton of money and kind of like slip away, which is really what I kind of tried to do with Spotify. I was hoping that Spotify was gonna make me like 10% less famous. That was like the idea behind it. Yeah, I was like, give me money.

• 2:03:43Joe Rogan?

  Give me money. I don't want to be any more famous. I don't need that. I'm like, just give me the money. But, you know, if... But nowadays, it's like, there's just not enough people listening. And I know they own Pandora now too. So they've made a bunch of deals with podcasters because I think they're gonna try to get people to listen to Pandora and do it that way.

• 2:04:01Speaker 01

  Your Stitcher, I think they do too.

• 2:04:03Joe Rogan?

  Stitcher, yep. We used to be on Stitcher too. But that's the thing, it's like, the internet is just too, there's so many more people that are listening to all these other platforms, Spotify, YouTube, it's just, it's just too enormous. It's too big to ignore.

• 2:04:20Speaker 01

  It is, it is, and it's like, I think that they kind of, they handle podcasting in a way that terrestrial radio handled satellite. Which was, ah, you know, it's not a big deal, and then get involved with it, or somehow embrace it, but a little bit later in the game.

• 2:04:36Joe Rogan?

  A little too late.

• 2:04:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I mean, they have some big podcasts, I mean, like, again, I don't-

• 2:04:40Joe Rogan?

  They have Caller Daddy now, right?

• 2:04:41Speaker 01

  They do. And when I knew, realized the money they gave her, again, I don't begrudge her at all, like, whatever you make, you make, and it's got nothing to do with my salary. But I realized they do have the money, so if they're choosing not to, I have to just fucking accept that.

• 2:04:52Joe Rogan?

  But you gotta wonder if that's a good idea for her. But she's still on Spotify, though.

• 2:04:58Speaker 01

  I don't know, is she? I don't know.

• 2:04:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, isn't she? She is, right? Yeah, I think she's still everywhere else, too.

• 2:05:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:04Joe Rogan?

  Which is, makes it a good idea. The thing is, if they limit your distribution, that's what makes it a bad idea. Like, one of the new things that we did with this new deal with Spotify, and they were actually into it, was put it everywhere. You know, not just be on Spotify, but also go back on YouTube, back on Apple, back everywhere. Which was, made me very happy, like, it should be everywhere.

• 2:05:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:05:26Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:05:26Speaker 01

  Because you want people to just stumble on it, or to go, I heard this thing about, about this thing today, I wanna go look at it right now.

• 2:05:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:05:32Speaker 01

  They don't want to have to sign up for something, enter the fucking email.

• 2:05:34Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:05:35Speaker 01

  Give you your credit card, um, yeah, it's kinda silly.

• 2:05:38Joe Rogan?

  And some people just get accustomed to using certain platforms, like, for me, forever, all I listened to was Apple podcasts. You know, the podcast app on Apple, it's simple, like, download whatever the fucking shows I wanted to listen to, and I would get it that way. I don't wanna have to change, I don't wanna have to look around, you know? It's just one of those things, people get accustomed to getting things in a certain way.

• 2:06:00Speaker 01

  It's right, it's there.

• 2:06:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:06:02Speaker 01

  It's great to see too, like, like, uh, I don't know Schultz, I'm sure he does get the credit, but like Dane deserves a lot of credit because of, of the the social media.

• 2:06:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:06:11Speaker 01

  Um, and I think Dane, history has kind of forgotten about what he like, he did a lot to change the way we promote.

• 2:06:16Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:06:17Speaker 01

  And then Schultz, that, that fucking thing of just turn your phone this way now.

• 2:06:21Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:06:22Speaker 01

  Like, holy shit, like it revolutionized the way comedians put out clips and it's like, I mean.

• 2:06:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, what he did was do, he, he capitalized on COVID in the best possible way. He came up with a, a different style, he's so smart, he thought of a different style of comedy, because there was a lot of people during COVID that were doing like late night talk show monologues, uh, on the internet and they were terrible.

• 2:06:46Speaker 01

  Terrible.

• 2:06:47Joe Rogan?

  Because there was no audience.

• 2:06:48Speaker 01

  No audience.

• 2:06:48Joe Rogan?

  But what Schultz did was he made up for the fact there wasn't any audience with visuals and rapid fire punchlines.

• 2:06:56Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 2:06:56Joe Rogan?

  And he did it differently than he does his standup. Like his standup, he'll say something really funny and let it sit. So it's even funnier, like it builds, you know, and he'll look at you like what? You know, it'll hold the laugh.

• 2:07:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:07:10Joe Rogan?

  Whereas in this Netflix or in the, the, you know, it was on Netflix as well, but when he was doing the sideways thing, it was just rapid fire and it is, he's more than a this and a that, and that and a this, and the photograph of the thing and you'd watch and you go hilarious.

• 2:07:24Speaker 01

  Different than standup.

• 2:07:24Joe Rogan?

  Yes, and everybody was sharing it. It was a genius approach to a, a genre instead of trying to apply standup style comedy and monologues to, you know, your Instagram, he did a whole new thing.

• 2:07:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, and his standup is funny. He did something on, on jokes that only work in Hawaii. And I was, it's in an arena and he's fucking murdering the way you murder in a club.

• 2:07:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:48Speaker 01

  But it's like, they're all new jokes just for Hawaii. And it was like, god damn, it's really funny.

• 2:07:52Joe Rogan?

  Everywhere he goes.

• 2:07:53Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:07:53Joe Rogan?

  He did that in Abu Dhabi. Or Dubai, yeah, in Dubai. He had jokes only about Dubai, about, you know, about shitting on hookers. It was like.

• 2:08:01Speaker 01

  Oh, that's so awesome. It's my life.

• 2:08:06Speaker 01

  But I was happy to see somebody doing something really, uh, creative as opposed to blinking their way through Chip Shipper's son on a fucking TBS show. We totally have to survive.

• 2:08:14Joe Rogan?

  Don't shit on Chip.

• 2:08:15Speaker 01

  I love Chip.

• 2:08:16Joe Rogan?

  I love Chip too. I lo- I love the fact that that's your, your closet character. When you put the wig on and the glasses.

• 2:08:22Speaker 01

  You understand it's the bane of my exist- I can't do anything without being called a sock cuckoo and fucking pack a kissa. In the, in the live chat today, it's all Chip. Hey, when's Chip coming back? Chip is ba- it's all people love and hate Chip.

• 2:08:34Joe Rogan?

  I love Chip. I love Chip. Yeah, it's, uh, stand up is such a fucking weird thing.

• 2:08:40Speaker 01

  It is.

• 2:08:40Joe Rogan?

  It really is.

• 2:08:41Speaker 01

  I might do it aga- I miss doing it like, when Anthony would come on, it was that like the best. We did a few li- I did three live shows with it and it was fucking amazing. There were theater shows and the crowds loved it. It sold better than I do, which is absolutely humiliating. I sold tickets faster as Chip than Jim Norton. Jim Norton, there's still a giant curtain. Chip fucking sold out. Uh, but I do miss doing it, but I don't miss getting guests. Like I fucking, now I have one podcast to do. I love doing it, but I still hate saying, "Hey, could you film my-" like I hate.

• 2:09:10Joe Rogan?

  Did you do it all yourself? Is that what you, the way you did it?

• 2:09:13Speaker 01

  Pretty much.

• 2:09:14Joe Rogan?

  Reach out to people?

• 2:09:15Speaker 01

  Well, they were, yeah, I had a, my co-host, uh, my, my, for the co-host I was using most recently was Zia, and she was great. And she would do like a lot of the behind the scenes work for me and she would, you know, uh, help reach out to people and coordinate, but I ultimately had to ask. It was like one of those things, if I wanted a comedian on, I remember one time, uh, Nick DiPaolo came on and he was sitting across and this was what, but Chip would give us all sailor hats and we're all wearing sailor hats and I remember-

• 2:09:38Joe Rogan?

  I gotta go call him Chip.

• 2:09:39Speaker 01

  I have to. I can't say me. I, I can't, I can't face it.

• 2:09:45Speaker 01

  It's like Ted Bundy would talk about himself in the third person. Why? Cause he's not proud of it. So I would, I would, we, we had on these sailor hats. I remember Nick was talking and we were having fun, but it was the way he was like looking, like he was looking at Jim as he was talking and he didn't say, he was, he played along, but I was like, oh. Ah. Yeah, fucking, I just had a Nick stare at me and I knew he was seeing his friend Jim.

• 2:10:10Joe Rogan?

  With a wig on.

• 2:10:10Speaker 01

  And a wig and glasses. But I do miss, it made me laugh, um, to do it, but people would just be too annoying about like, oh, get this guy's, get that guy, they would complain, it's like, oh, I made zero money doing it. And here's why, I didn't make any money on YouTube, because I didn't realize that I shouldn't have had the word fuck in the theme song. I'm, Jamie Jaster from fucking Hatebreed sang the theme song, and it was Chip has a fucking, but like, literally that automatically fucks you for monetization.

• 2:10:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:10:38Speaker 01

  And I had no idea, so all of my episodes had fuck in the first five seconds. I never made any money doing Chip. Few hundred bucks on a read here and there, but it was, it was a labor of love. It was one of those things that you do.

• 2:10:50Joe Rogan?

  You can bring it back with a new theme song.

• 2:10:51Speaker 01

  I could, or I did change it at one point. I, I changed it. Um, I took fucking out.

• 2:10:55Joe Rogan?

  Change it. People love Chip.

• 2:10:57Speaker 01

  Put, gosh darn, it was like some obvious.

• 2:10:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's even better.

• 2:11:00Speaker 01

  Some awful edit that went in. But it's like, when am I gonna do it? Where am I gonna do? Once mine gets up, and like, mine's been up for a few months. I love doing it. We do callers, which I like. The live interactions, like, when you do radio, it's hard to not feel like anybody is listening.

• 2:11:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:11:14Speaker 01

  In the moment, you know? Um, and it takes you in weird directions, like, people will call up with legit, everyone, like, some comics like, ah. But then as soon as somebody goes, what do you think about this? And they're talking about wanting to commit suicide, or they're talking about fucking, it becomes interesting, because people, like, everyone wants to give advice.

• 2:11:29Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, yeah.

• 2:11:31Speaker 01

  So I liked, I liked knowing that something alive will take you into a different direction than we would have gone in.

• 2:11:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, there's something to that, yeah. There's definitely something to that. But there's that, you know, there's also something, it's like, it becomes very chaotic because people are calling in just to fuck with you and.

• 2:11:48Speaker 01

  I've surprisingly had very little of that. We've been, I mean, again, I'm always, with coming from O and A, like, nothing is too much at this point, because you become so used to.

• 2:11:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:11:58Speaker 01

  Craziness and people, and death threats and the fucking, I still use a fake name at this cellar, because I would get death threats, like, that, there was a couple of them that actually concerned me. Because people were using their real names. I'm like, if a guy is threatening to kill you with his real name attached to it, like, he's fucking, he's a problem.

• 2:12:13Joe Rogan?

  What was it over?

• 2:12:14Speaker 01

  There was one time Anthony had said something and the guy thought I said it. Um, and the guy said something about I'm gonna fucking kill you. I don't remember what it was, but it was, it was the tone he said it. I'm like, that feels different than anything anyone's ever said to me. Plus again, last time we talked about the fucking lawyer. Um, who hadn't committed a murder at that point, but I still knew he was crazy. And I would get, I have a hate mail fucking file. And I used to argue with them.

• 2:12:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh boy.

• 2:12:39Speaker 01

  Back and forth like a dummy. Uh, but people were telling me, watch your back. I know where you live. I'm gonna shoot you. And then I would see a real name sign to it. And I'm like, yeah, that guy's mentally ill.

• 2:12:50Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of those out there.

• 2:12:52Speaker 01

  Fuck yeah, there are a lot. So I started doing, at the Comedy Cellar, I would always use names from the JFK assassination. Like David Ferry was appearing. It was never Oswald or Kennedy. I wasn't that on the nose, but it was him, it was, you know, Clay Shaw. It was just all these weird people from the fucking, from the Kennedy assassination.

• 2:13:10Joe Rogan?

  Ali Wong used to have to do that at the Comedy Store.

• 2:13:12Speaker 01

  Um, because he was famous, right?

• 2:13:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, she'd get stalkers. There was this one crazy guy that kept showing up. But, you know, I guess stalkers for a woman are even more creepy.

• 2:13:23Speaker 01

  Much more terrifying for a woman. And it's like, there's gotta be a way, like in Black Mirror, there's one thing you'd, they had a thing where you could block people from seeing you. And again, it's a futuristic thing, but the, the, the penalty for stalking should be so fucking severe because the, the way they allow someone to ruin someone else's life.

• 2:13:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:41Speaker 01

  Uh, it's crazy that, that they haven't figured out something where when you're convicted of stalking, you should be forced to have something in your phone or some type of a monitor bracelet that alerts the other person. It drives me crazy. There's nothing I hate more than some fucking creep stalker. But I guess I've dealt with it, so.

• 2:13:57Joe Rogan?

  Again, it's very creepy for women, way more creepy for women, you know, and they get a lot more of them. A lot of guys get obsessed.

• 2:14:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz I don't get stalked. No, I'm not interesting to stalk because I fuck you.

• 2:14:11Speaker 01

  She wanna stalk me? Just show up and have nice tits. I mean, you got me. But I did fuck one stalker, which was cra- turned out to be...

• 2:14:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 2:14:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was a bad move. And I was bad in bed. I couldn't keep it up. I was just, it was, it was during the lawsuit. It was a really bad time for me. And I, I kinda felt badly. She thought I didn't like her, but I was just... But anyway, for two years, it was phone stalking.

• 2:14:33Joe Rogan?

  Oy.

• 2:14:34Speaker 01

  And it was not scary, like it would be for a woman.

• 2:14:38Joe Rogan?

  Just annoying.

• 2:14:39Speaker 01

  But it becomes a part of your life. Like you become, like, this is with the old iPhones. So I would always get these, I would leave LA on a red eye. And I would land and my, my iPhone would be filled with voice messages.

• 2:14:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 2:14:50Speaker 01

  About, you know what, Jim, and just, you know, what a piece of shit I was and a bad guy. So, like, she used to think I was talking to her on the radio, like...

• 2:14:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, she was schizophrenic.

• 2:15:00Speaker 01

  I don't know. Um, we would talk dirty a lot and I, and I, and, and, you know, and credit where it's due.

• 2:15:07Joe Rogan?

  Did good dirty talk.

• 2:15:08Speaker 01

  Oh, you have no idea.

• 2:15:09Joe Rogan?

  The crazy ones are the best, to fuck. They anticipate exactly what you need right before you get there. Oh. Psychotic and erotic.

• 2:15:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:15:17Joe Rogan?

  Real close.

• 2:15:18Speaker 01

  It really is. It, because there's something about the inhibitions.

• 2:15:21Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:15:22Speaker 01

  Um, being lowered and, you know, the cuck talk, I always liked that. Not as much now, because again, I'm married, but I always enjoyed good cuck talk. Would always make me very happy. And I get why guys wouldn't like that, but it would make me fucking crazy.

• 2:15:34Joe Rogan?

  It's so weird what people like. Like the, the shitting on the chest thing.

• 2:15:38Speaker 01

  That's bizarre.

• 2:15:38Joe Rogan?

  Like, influencers get paid to go to Dubai a lot of money, and those guys will shit on them.

• 2:15:46Speaker 01

  Wait, they shit on the influencer, or the influencer shit on them?

• 2:15:48Joe Rogan?

  They shit on the influencer.

• 2:15:50Speaker 01

  Rea- I can see that, yeah.

• 2:15:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like hot girls. Hot girls go over there and they can make half a million dollars.

• 2:15:57Speaker 01

  And a guy...

• 2:15:57Joe Rogan?

  Getting shit on for a weekend.

• 2:15:59Speaker 01

  That's so cr- that's crazy.

• 2:16:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:01Speaker 01

  Like, just, I guess that if you don't like...

• 2:16:03Joe Rogan?

  Probably more than that. I mean, if you're thinking about people that have insane amounts of money. You know, you're, you're dealing with like oil money. These guys like, you know, we talk about the richest people in the world.

• 2:16:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:16:14Joe Rogan?

  Elon Musk is the richest man in the world.

• 2:16:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:16:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's the richest public man in the world. I mean, I'm not saying he's not insanely rich. He's worth 200 something billion dollars.

• 2:16:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:22Joe Rogan?

  But that's nothing compared to these royal families.

• 2:16:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:16:26Joe Rogan?

  These oil families, they probably have trillions. They probably have trillions of dollars, but it's not public. They don't have to disclose.

• 2:16:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:34Joe Rogan?

  How much money they have. Whereas in America, like wealthy people that are like on the, on the legit and the up and up. You, you know, everybody knows what your net worth is.

• 2:16:44Speaker 01

  Everybody knows how much you have. But to pay somebody, see, I thought you meant to get shit on it.

• 2:16:48Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:16:48Speaker 01

  But to shit on an influencer, I've seen a few TikToks where I'm like, I'd give her a thousand if she let me take a dump on her. She was annoying. She was annoying.

• 2:16:55Joe Rogan?

  I think that's what they do.

• 2:16:57Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 2:16:58Joe Rogan?

  This is, people have talked about it openly. Girls have talked on some of those weird podcasts. Girls have talked about how they go over there and they'll, they make hundreds of thousands of dollars and you know, it's only like 20 minutes of their time. They just lay there. Some guy shits on them. Everybody cheers.

• 2:17:12Speaker 01

  That's, oh, there's a group of people watching.

• 2:17:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a bunch of guys. Your boys are there and you shit on her.

• 2:17:16Speaker 01

  An influencer. Cause she probably said something you didn't like.

• 2:17:19Joe Rogan?

  Or you just wanna shit on a hot girl's tits.

• 2:17:22Speaker 01

  That, I mean, that would do nothing for me. And I'm a pervert, but.

• 2:17:25Joe Rogan?

  I think it's like a humiliation thing. They wanna humiliate people and they wanna know that they have so much money that they can get you to submit to this willingly.

• 2:17:34Speaker 01

  Dude, I've seen the humiliation look every time I fuck someone.

• 2:17:39Speaker 01

  I know what that look is.

• 2:17:41Joe Rogan?

  It is a fucking weird desire to wanna shit on somebody.

• 2:17:44Speaker 01

  It, it is because it's so not sexual. Like it's weirdly punishing or like.

• 2:17:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:50Speaker 01

  Like, and again, being dirty is, I'm not saying having the fetish is wrong. Cause I'm pissed on like it's whatever. I mean, a lot. I've done a lot of trying it. And I don't even know what I liked about it. I, I don't know what I liked about it. Was it?

• 2:18:00Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's naughty.

• 2:18:03Speaker 01

  It was intimate and naughty.

• 2:18:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, intimate and naughty. Private, intimate and naughty.

• 2:18:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:08Joe Rogan?

  And I think, well, that's, you're getting pissed on. Whereas like, if you're having someone lay there while you shit on them, that is like, just an ultimate expression of the, the power of money.

• 2:18:21Speaker 01

  I suppose it is. I just don't understand the desire. There's like, there's so many things I would love to do if people would let me do them for money, but not shit on them.

• 2:18:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's weird.

• 2:18:29Speaker 01

  That would just be so, like, my shits are horrendous.

• 2:18:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:32Speaker 01

  Like, I'd be embarrassed.

• 2:18:33Joe Rogan?

  And I know, and you wanna make sure you could shit at the proper time. Cause you can't really time your shits.

• 2:18:38Speaker 01

  No, but again, if you have enough money to bring her over and shit on her, you have enough money to keep her on hold.

• 2:18:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:42Speaker 01

  Like, you know, she's not gonna take a busy.

• 2:18:43Joe Rogan?

  Have a seat. I'm drinking coffee.

• 2:18:45Speaker 01

  I'm having a cold, bro.

• 2:18:46Joe Rogan?

  I'm getting, I'm smoking cigarettes, drinking coffee, brewing up a good one for you.

• 2:18:50Speaker 01

  I have not heard that. I have, I know that people get sent over there and they fuck. I actually wanna go to Dubai. Like, it's the, one of the few places.

• 2:18:57Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful.

• 2:18:57Speaker 01

  Have you been to the Burj?

• 2:18:58Joe Rogan?

  No, I've, I've been to that, but I've been to Dubai. I, I was in Dubai once because they had the weigh-ins there for the UFC. And it's like, everywhere you look, it's like Rolls Royce, Ferrari, Lamborghini, like, there's, the amount of money there was preposterous. And this was quite a long time ago. This was like, 2007, I believe.

• 2:19:15Speaker 01

  That's probably before the Burj was built. Was, was the Burj built, I, I don't think it was 2007, no.

• 2:19:20Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't think it was there. So, what I'd seen is just like, what was there then, and just, the obs- obscene amount of wealth. I mean, it's really like, shocking.

• 2:19:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. I wanna go just to go, cause I'm afraid of heights. So like, I wanna go into that, uh, that, that, that observation deck on top.

• 2:19:36Joe Rogan?

  How many floors is it?

• 2:19:39Speaker 01

  I wanna say it's like, 120 or something. It's fu- it's crazy. Uh, it's 3,000 feet. The, uh, the tower, so I think it's the tallest structure in the world. And there's a few people who have sat in that. Like, there's, you see that picture of Tom Cruise? Who is batshit crazy. Like, he actually jumped out the window of that thing for real. Did you ever see footage of him training for that Mission Impossible?

• 2:19:59Joe Rogan?

  He jumped out the window?

• 2:20:00Speaker 01

  He jumped out the window, strapped in. And I've seen footage of him, like, taken by people on the observation deck, of Tom Cruise hanging out on the outside of the Burj Tower. And there's a picture of him sitting on the very, very top. It's 3,000 feet. And his feet are just hanging off in a helicopter. Is circling, he was the first guy to do it.

• 2:20:19Joe Rogan?

  He's not harnessed or anything?

• 2:20:20Speaker 01

  He's probably harnessed on his back somehow.

• 2:20:23Joe Rogan?

  What is this for a Mission Impossible movie?

• 2:20:25Speaker 01

  One of the Mission Impossibles, but yeah, that's-

• 2:20:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:20:27Speaker 01

  But he actually-

• 2:20:27Joe Rogan?

  It's like he's in space.

• 2:20:29Speaker 01

  Um-

• 2:20:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, look how tall that is.

• 2:20:31Speaker 01

  He's running. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen.

• 2:20:34Joe Rogan?

  He's a fucking maniac.

• 2:20:35Speaker 01

  He is-

• 2:20:36Joe Rogan?

  The fact that he's still doing these stunts and he's 62 years old, do you see what he did in the last Mission Impossible? He jumped in a flaming parachute, ripped the parachute off, and then opened up the second parachute.

• 2:20:47Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 2:20:48Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, I mean, there's no backup parachute for the second parachute. He's doing this for a movie.

• 2:20:55Speaker 01

  If I met, I've never met Tom Cruise, if I ever met him, all I want to ask him is, how do you get insurance companies to agree?

• 2:21:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:21:01Speaker 01

  To let you do this?

• 2:21:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:21:03Speaker 01

  I can't imagine, he was running down the face of the ta- and some of it was shot in CJ I, but that's legit, like that was real-

• 2:21:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, here it is, look at this. So, he's, he jumps out in a flaming parachute. And this is all planned out. I mean, they douse the parachute with gasoline, jumps, they light it on fire, look at that.

• 2:21:25Speaker 04

  He did 16 times.

• 2:21:27Joe Rogan?

  16 times? Oh my god. So he has to cut it loose, and then he has to open up his secondary parachute.

• 2:21:35Speaker 01

  Is there, you wonder, is there a kill switch that if, like, if you push a clamp and you can't get the clamp open?

• 2:21:41Joe Rogan?

  No, he's fucked. Like, if he can't cut loose, he's fucked. And if his second parachute doesn't work, he's double fucked.

• 2:21:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, I heard him say, sort of, like, he figures out something crazy he hasn't done, and then just goes through all the processes of, like, how do you learn how to do this?

• 2:21:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he learned how to fly helicopters for one of the stunts, like, one of the stunts where they're, they're bombing through the canyons.

• 2:22:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:22:01Joe Rogan?

  He was actually flying the helicopter. He wanted to make it really obvious that it was him-

• 2:22:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:22:06Joe Rogan?

  -flying that helicopter.

• 2:22:07Speaker 01

  And he, and the side of the, I've seen him talk about, like, being on the side of the plane that took off when he was hanging off the plane. But you wonder, like, what, what is it in you that, like, what kind of a rush, when you're not working? What do you do to, thinking of, like, fucking Cowboy Serrano, he will fly a plane, and then cut the engine and fall, because he needs, he's fucking crazy, he needs dopamine? What do you do to match this?

• 2:22:27Joe Rogan?

  This is the new one, the new plane thing. He's done a couple of different plane ones. This is just one of them.

• 2:22:34Speaker 01

  Oh, you see the string there, yeah.

• 2:22:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they edited all that in the movie, right?

• 2:22:38Speaker 04

  What if the string breaks?

• 2:22:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what if the string breaks?

• 2:22:40Speaker 01

  That's right. You can only have so much faith, right?

• 2:22:43Joe Rogan?

  Also, what if he gets hit by a bird right here and gets KO'd?

• 2:22:45Speaker 01

  Ah, or falls back and bangs his head on the side of the...

• 2:22:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is a thing that's only for these Mission Impossible movies. But by the way, he's been doing these Mission Impossible movies forever.

• 2:22:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:22:55Joe Rogan?

  I was listening to an EPMD song the other day. And in the thing, it's like, "Mission Impossible, not Tom Cruise." Like, there was joking around about Tom Cruise being in Mission Impossible in an EPMD song. From like, what year was that?

• 2:23:10Speaker 01

  Oh, EPMD, you know, I was thinking...

• 2:23:11Joe Rogan?

  EPMD, the rappers.

• 2:23:12Speaker 04

  Ninety-seven?

• 2:23:13Joe Rogan?

  Ninety-seven.

• 2:23:14Speaker 01

  Do I not know them?

• 2:23:14Joe Rogan?

  That was his first Mission Impossible movie?

• 2:23:17Speaker 04

  I mean, that's when the lyric came out. That's the song's called "The Joint," that's where it's in, I guess.

• 2:23:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, what year was the first Tom Cruise Mission Impossible movie?

• 2:23:25Speaker 04

  Probably the same time. Maybe even ninety-six, ninety-five if they were writing about it.

• 2:23:27Joe Rogan?

  Wow! That's wild. That is wild. So he's been basically doing Mission Impossible for thirty years. He's sixty-two now.

• 2:23:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. Crazy.

• 2:23:39Joe Rogan?

  But he doesn't do that in the other movies he does.

• 2:23:41Speaker 04

  Well, some of them.

• 2:23:42Joe Rogan?

  Does he? Does he do crazy stunts in all of his movies?

• 2:23:44Speaker 04

  What about that, you mean the one, the "Live, Die, Repeat"?

• 2:23:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Was he doing stunts in those?

• 2:23:49Speaker 04

  Not, I mean, I don't know exactly how many of them he did, but he did the, uh...

• 2:23:53Speaker 01

  Jack Reacher, too?

• 2:23:54Speaker 04

  The thing I was trying to think of, too, yeah.

• 2:23:55Speaker 01

  And he also broke his ankle. He was jumping from one building to another.

• 2:23:59Joe Rogan?

  And destroyed his ankle.

• 2:24:00Speaker 01

  He destroyed, but he actually fucking limped and tried to finish the shot. Like, what a pro.

• 2:24:03Joe Rogan?

  Finished the shot, yeah.

• 2:24:04Speaker 01

  It's insane.

• 2:24:05Joe Rogan?

  You can see his ankle collapse when he hits the wall. Yeah, he's a fucking nut, man. Like, a real nut.

• 2:24:10Speaker 01

  It's like when you look, but you ever watch old Buster Keaton footage?

• 2:24:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:24:13Speaker 01

  The crazy shit that he would do, the train or the building falling...

• 2:24:16Joe Rogan?

  How many Mission Impossible movies are there?

• 2:24:18Speaker 04

  I think there's eleven...

• 2:24:21Speaker 01

  Is there eleven?

• 2:24:22Speaker 04

  No.

• 2:24:22Speaker 01

  I thought it was like seven or eight.

• 2:24:23Speaker 04

  It's seven, yeah.

• 2:24:24Joe Rogan?

  Seven?

• 2:24:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:25Joe Rogan?

  So, and it all started in ninety-six? Is that what you said? Jesus Christ, that guy's been in some fucking banger movies. Scientology works for some people.

• 2:24:35Speaker 01

  It's, it's, it's interesting that he wants to do all of his own stuff. The Firm, I just re-watched. It's funny, I hated the music in The Firm so much, it took me out of it. But that's a pretty, that's a great film. Gene Hackman was great in that.

• 2:24:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, yeah.

• 2:24:48Speaker 01

  What a shame he died, man. He's one guy I never met that I wanted to meet, Gene Hackman.

• 2:24:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I would've liked to have met him too.

• 2:24:53Speaker 01

  Oh, is he fucking?

• 2:24:53Joe Rogan?

  He died bad, though, oof.

• 2:24:55Speaker 01

  He did, but he died kinda the way you wanna die, just alone and home and...

• 2:24:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, his wife died first, they think?

• 2:25:01Speaker 01

  Yes, he had dementia, I think.

• 2:25:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:04Speaker 01

  So I don't even know if he knew she was dead. They say he might have just been wandering, maybe he just wandered around hungry.

• 2:25:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh boy.

• 2:25:10Speaker 01

  I know. Doesn't matter who you are.

• 2:25:12Joe Rogan?

  Oof, yeah. When, when your body stops working, it doesn't matter how many fucking people love you. It's over.

• 2:25:18Speaker 01

  Brando was like that. Like, I, I, I love, cause he was just so difficult. Like, you gotta love a guy who's so good at something that people tolerated.

• 2:25:26Joe Rogan?

  He was such a nut. He bought an island and moved there.

• 2:25:29Speaker 01

  Just would never acknowledge being a good actor. Like, I was in an interview with Connie Chung, and she's like, "You're a great actor." And his dog is there, he goes, "He's a better actor. He acts like he loves me because he wants food." I'm like, "What a great fucking actor." What a great, but he meant it. Like, you knew he wasn't like some fucking douchey poser. Like, he was really this guy.

• 2:25:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why he was so good. But he was also good before anybody was good. He was the first actor that was like, acting like a real person.

• 2:25:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:25:56Joe Rogan?

  In movies. Whereas like, every other actor was like, "Hey, stay away from my girl, see?"

• 2:26:01Speaker 01

  I can't watch old stuff. And look, I'll acknowledge, I stink. I know, I stink. So I can't judge other people's. I'm not gonna judge James Cagney or fucking Humphrey.

• 2:26:09Joe Rogan?

  Right. Cagney's a good example.

• 2:26:10Speaker 01

  But you watch them, and you're like, they were so like, Victor mature. "Tommy, why don't you cut it out, Tommy?"

• 2:26:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:18Speaker 01

  And then you see Brando, and you're like, "I can't watch the old stuff. It's just theater acting or something."

• 2:26:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:26:23Speaker 01

  On film.

• 2:26:24Joe Rogan?

  He was the first guy that figured out how to be real in a film. And James Dean did it as well, and then a bunch of other people. And now, you know, there's a lot of people that do it, but nobody had figured it out. But again, it goes back to that thing where this was a completely new medium, right?

• 2:26:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:26:40Joe Rogan?

  It didn't really exist before him. You know, he was like, one of the very first... Movie stars that figured out how to do it correctly, but there weren't a lot of, it wasn't a long history of movie stars, it was a fairly new thing.

• 2:26:53Speaker 01

  Yes, and I've seen footage of his, uh, his screen test for Streetcar Named Desire. Like, you know, Stanley walks into the kitchen and he's just talking, and he's talking to Stella, or not, it might have been Stella, and he's just moving and grabbing stuff, and you're watching him, and you're like, I would never have the confidence in it, to, to just touch and-

• 2:27:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, I wanna see that.

• 2:27:11Speaker 01

  Behave.

• 2:27:12Joe Rogan?

  Can you find that? Screen test from Streetcar Named Desire? Is that it right there? Hey, let's listen.

• 2:27:18Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:27:18Joe Rogan?

  Headphones again, Jim.

• 2:27:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:27:33Speaker 01

  And this is even different to what I was thinking, the one I think it was in the kitchen.

• 2:27:39Speaker 01

  Maybe it's part of the same one. Here he's just putting his cigarette out in a fucking bottle.

• 2:27:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, hold on, go, go back to that. Yeah.

• 2:27:46Speaker 05

  Action! What the? The plaster cracked! Alright, you hoes, uh, cut out the cackling there! Well, you can't hear us! Well, you can hear me, and I told you to hush up!

• 2:28:04Joe Rogan?

  Wow, so this is actually real footage, though?

• 2:28:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, and this is different than the one, but it's, it's interesting to see, these are outtakes.

• 2:28:10Speaker 05

  Action!

• 2:28:12Speaker 05

  I stop!

• 2:28:33Joe Rogan?

  You can hear the camera.

• 2:28:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:28:37Speaker 01

  But even the way she's looking at him looks old school compared to what he's doing.

• 2:28:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:28:43Speaker 01

  She's looking at him in a very strange way that doesn't feel like.

• 2:28:47Joe Rogan?

  Right, doesn't feel real. It feels like she knows she's in a movie.

• 2:28:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:28:52Joe Rogan?

  He was a good-looking guy back then, too.

• 2:28:53Speaker 01

  Oh, he was a fucking, what a pussy machine. He fucked them all, too.

• 2:28:57Joe Rogan?

  And then he just, he didn't like the fact that he's good-looking, so he became a blimp.

• 2:29:00Speaker 01

  Just ate ice cream. How do you not love that guy?

• 2:29:03Joe Rogan?

  He got so big during Apocalypse Now, they had him film in the shadows.

• 2:29:07Speaker 01

  And he wouldn't acknowledge that, because they were trying to make it like Kurtz had gotten fat and like was living the life of, and he wouldn't do it.

• 2:29:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:14Speaker 01

  Just sat there in the shadows.

• 2:29:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what a fucking nut. But, you know, again, it's just, there wasn't a lot of people like that. I mean, how do you not go crazy?

• 2:29:26Speaker 01

  He's the only guy, and I can't watch Shakespeare. I mean, I know he was the greatest. I just can't watch him. And I watched him doing, I think he played Marc Anthony or Julius Caesar, and watching him do Shakespeare, it like, you felt like he's really saying these, like, you know what I mean? It always feels so British, you know?

• 2:29:41Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:29:42Speaker 01

  What's hot for window break? It just doesn't feel connected to the person.

• 2:29:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:29:46Speaker 01

  And I watched him, I'm like, this is like a real guy actually saying this.

• 2:29:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:49Speaker 01

  So he's the only person I've ever been able to watch do Shakespeare.

• 2:29:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's an art. There's a real art to acting, where it's just done badly so often that we hate most actors.

• 2:29:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's hard to do, and I, again, I, there's very few things I give my credit, self-credit for, but I do give myself credit for recognizing my limitations.

• 2:30:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:06Speaker 01

  In that area. Um, it's been easy to recognize when people have pointed it out, but I understand it.

• 2:30:10Joe Rogan?

  It's also not an area that you really concentrated on, nor were you drawn to it, you know, right? So when you're doing it, you're like, how am I doing this? It's like if you get Tom Hanks to do stand-up, and when he did Punchline, it was fucking terrible.

• 2:30:22Speaker 01

  It was rough.

• 2:30:23Joe Rogan?

  Because he wasn't really doing stand-up, you know, he's an actor. But if you wanted to be an actor, if that was your thing, you'd probably be great at it.

• 2:30:31Speaker 01

  Do you know who was, I saw they were shooting some of the, uh, Will Arnett, I think Bradley Cooper just directed a movie at the Comedy Cellar.

• 2:30:38Joe Rogan?

  Is that him doing Shakespeare?

• 2:30:39Speaker 04

  He's 29 years old here.

• 2:30:41Joe Rogan?

  He's 29? He's 29, and 53.

• 2:30:44Speaker 05

  The noble Brutus hath told you Caesar was ambitious. If it was so, it was a grievous fault, and grievously hath Caesar answered it.

• 2:30:55Speaker 05

  Here on the leave of Brutus and the rest. For Brutus is an honorable man. So are they all, all honorable men. Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral. He was my friend, faithful and just to me. But Brutus says he was ambitious. And Brutus is an honorable man. He hath brought many captives home to Rome, whose ransoms did the general coppers fill. Did this and Caesar seem ambitious? When did the poor have cried? Caesar hath wept. Ambition should be made of stern stuff. Yet Brutus says he was ambitious. And Brutus is an honorable man.

• 2:31:40Speaker 05

  You all did see that on the lupercalife, Rice presented him a kingly crown, which he did thrice refuse. Was this ambition? Yet Brutus says he was ambitious and sure he is an honorable man.

• 2:31:55Speaker 01

  I still don't know what the fuck he's talking about.

• 2:31:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know either, but I believe him.

• 2:31:58Speaker 01

  It's powerful.

• 2:31:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's locked in.

• 2:32:00Speaker 01

  He's locked in, man, and he's really... He understands what he's saying.

• 2:32:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:04Speaker 01

  He understands the words.

• 2:32:05Joe Rogan?

  Right. And he's living the words.

• 2:32:07Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:32:07Joe Rogan?

  It's in his head. He believes it when he's saying it. And that's like the Daniel Day-Lewis thing. Like when he's playing that crazy guy and there will be blood.

• 2:32:15Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:32:15Joe Rogan?

  He believes it.

• 2:32:16Speaker 01

  I drank your milk. Yeah.

• 2:32:19Joe Rogan?

  Like, it's real.

• 2:32:20Speaker 01

  Well, when he's...

• 2:32:21Joe Rogan?

  It's in. He's locked in.

• 2:32:22Speaker 01

  Craziest part of that movie is when he's sitting there with the kid and he's petting the boy's head at one point. It's supposed to be his son.

• 2:32:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:29Speaker 01

  And I'm like, as an actor, to touch a kid... Like, even though you're acting, he was petting this boy like the way you would pet your son. Like, it was like he's so comfortable and so in this

• 2:32:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:40Speaker 01

  that you really believe this is his son. It was like, that stuck out for me. Like, the level of comfort you need on a set to do that. Because I've been on a set with a kid there. Everybody's like, make sure you don't curse. And this guy didn't give a fuck. He just picks the kid up and starts petting his head.

• 2:32:54Joe Rogan?

  Boy, he's gotta be that guy. And, you know, he would be... He's a method guy. So he'd be that guy for months.

• 2:32:59Speaker 01

  Have you met him?

• 2:33:00Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:33:00Speaker 01

  No, I haven't either. Gary Oldman I like a lot, which is not exactly a stretch. Gary Oldman, I think, is one of the most, uh, versatile.

• 2:33:08Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen Slow Horses?

• 2:33:10Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:33:11Joe Rogan?

  It's an Apple show. It's really good.

• 2:33:13Speaker 01

  What is it?

• 2:33:13Joe Rogan?

  It's a spy show. He plays a spy.

• 2:33:15Speaker 01

  Oldman or Daniel Day-Lewis?

• 2:33:16Joe Rogan?

  Oldman. It's a new show.

• 2:33:18Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 2:33:19Joe Rogan?

  It's really good.

• 2:33:20Speaker 01

  I haven't watched anything on Apple. Like, I, I, I tried to watch the morning show, but I didn't love it.

• 2:33:25Joe Rogan?

  Did you see Severance? Severance is great.

• 2:33:27Speaker 01

  Season one, I loved.

• 2:33:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, season two got a little weird.

• 2:33:31Speaker 01

  It got, it, it almost got a little weird, like the way Lost did, where they were doing things to serve the kind of show that they were.

• 2:33:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:33:38Speaker 01

  But I didn't, I'm like, what does this mean? Like, this is just crazy and weird, but they're just doing it like to be... Again, I, I watched it and I probably will watch season three. Uh, but season one, I liked more.

• 2:33:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, season one was better. I think there's some shows like that where they, the concept is so out there. It really has like a finite amount of time where you're allowed to like maintain that.

• 2:33:59Speaker 01

  Yes. And then it just becomes, we have to get to season, again, like I said, Lost.

• 2:34:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Lost is the best example, because the first season was fucking great.

• 2:34:08Speaker 01

  It was, and the backstory telling, like, I, I look at the writing in that. And again, it was TV, they only had a certain amount of, uh, leeway they could do. I, their backstory stuff was great. The writing on, you know, John Locke and on, on Kate and all these people, these... The way they would tie in their backstories, I thought was brilliant. But then the way they ended, I was like, fuck. You know, everyone complained about it, but I'm like, they missed what they should have done.

• 2:34:28Joe Rogan?

  Fucking story, or a great show, rather, Mob Land. Have you seen Mob Land on Paramount?

• 2:34:33Speaker 01

  Who is rec- somebody, it was either Colin or Bobby was recommending Mob Land.

• 2:34:39Joe Rogan?

  Fucking great.

• 2:34:40Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 2:34:40Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking great. It's a Guy Ritchie show. It's fucking great.

• 2:34:44Speaker 01

  Who was just-

• 2:34:45Joe Rogan?

  Tom Hardy.

• 2:34:46Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 2:34:46Joe Rogan?

  Pierce, Pierce Bronson plays the old mobster. He's fucking amazing in it. You know, you think of Pierce Brosnan, you think like a kind of a campy James Bond. Not in this fucking movie. He plays a maniac, like a stone cold maniac, and it's great.

• 2:35:02Speaker 01

  Did you see footage of Tom Hardy? I just saw footage of him, like, uh, submitting someone.

• 2:35:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, he's good.

• 2:35:06Speaker 01

  He's a black belt, right?

• 2:35:06Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, he's not a black belt.

• 2:35:08Speaker 01

  Oh, he's not?

• 2:35:08Joe Rogan?

  I think he might be a purple belt. Is he a purple belt or is he a blue belt? He competes, though.

• 2:35:13Speaker 01

  I know, I just saw footage of him.

• 2:35:14Joe Rogan?

  But he's all fucked up now. His neck's fucked up, his knees are fucked up. Purple belt, purple belt. He's legit, man.

• 2:35:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35:20Joe Rogan?

  He's legit. I've, I've watched him compete. Yeah, I was like, okay. And like Zuckerberg, Zuckerberg's legit. He's real. He gets in tournaments. He, he's a very competitive guy.

• 2:35:30Speaker 01

  I've seen footage of him, yeah.

• 2:35:31Joe Rogan?

  A guy who's worth $200 billion, it's kind of crazy to enter into a local jujitsu match and, you know, risk getting spiked on your head by a plumber. You know? Some fucking, some plumber who's also a blue belt fucking, you know, suplexes you on your skull.

• 2:35:48Speaker 01

  And he recognizes you and his fucking account just got banned, yeah, yeah.

• 2:35:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's been posting QAnon memes.

• 2:35:56Speaker 01

  And then he sees you and he thinks it's destiny.

• 2:35:58Joe Rogan?

  And by the way, he wear, he wore a mask up until the time he's about to compete, so they don't know they're gonna compete with Zuckerberg until he's in there with him. Which is really a mind, it's kind of a huge disadvantage to the opponent.

• 2:36:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:36:10Joe Rogan?

  You're like, what? Cause especially if you've never been around a famous person before.

• 2:36:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:36:13Joe Rogan?

  And now all of a sudden you have, and you're also an amateur, cause he's an amateur.

• 2:36:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:16Joe Rogan?

  So you're all like, what? You're probably like blown, maybe the first time you've ever competed too. And you're competing against Zuckerberg, whoo.

• 2:36:23Speaker 01

  It's, it's, but he's, he's, I think he's a blue belt too, right?

• 2:36:26Joe Rogan?

  I believe so. And what's, what belt is Zuckerberg? Zuckerberg brings in legit people though. Like he trains with very, very legit.

• 2:36:33Speaker 01

  Pokonovsky I know is training with him, I know he's around Alex Pereira a lot.

• 2:36:36Joe Rogan?

  Style Bender, yeah, Pereira, um, yeah, he brings in like Dave Camarillo, who's a top level Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt. He brings him him, uh, blue belt.

• 2:36:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's legit, man.

• 2:36:48Speaker 01

  He blew his knee too, right?

• 2:36:49Joe Rogan?

  Yep, tore his ACL. He, uh, wound up getting, I tried to talk him out of the type of surgery that he got. He got the difficult surgery, which is a patella tendon graft. I've had both my ACLs reconstructed and my left one was a patella tendon graft, my right one was a cadaver. And the cadaver was so much easier to recover from. And I told him, I'm like, dude, get the cadaver, trust me. And his doctor wanted to do the patella tendon, he wound up doing that. It's a long rehab with the patella tendon. Um, but you know, the fact that he blew his knee apart and still kept training is pretty impressive as well.

• 2:37:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I'm in that place too, like where I have inflammation, I'm just trying to get healthy, like, uh, I've been seeing some guy, I don't know if I need surgery, but I'm getting MRIs, getting insurance to approve MRIs, it's a fucking nightmare. But I wanna get my, my ankle, my hip, my knee, I'm all fucked up.

• 2:37:35Joe Rogan?

  What's wrong?

• 2:37:35Speaker 01

  I've been fucked up for years. I've had like, my leg goes numb, my right leg was going numb in my thigh.

• 2:37:41Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever get your back looked at?

• 2:37:43Speaker 01

  I, I did, I have to, again, I'm trying to get approval for the MRI for that, but they, I twisted my ankle very badly a few times.

• 2:37:48Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:37:49Speaker 01

  Um.

• 2:37:50Joe Rogan?

  How long are you in town for?

• 2:37:51Speaker 01

  Ah, I'm supposed to come home tomorrow.

• 2:37:52Joe Rogan?

  Okay, what time tomorrow? When's your flight?

• 2:37:54Speaker 01

  First thing, first flight.

• 2:37:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh. Um, I might be able to get you into Ways Too Well this afternoon. Ways Too Well is the local stem cell clinic. They'll, they'll shoot you, shoot you up with stem cells. That'll fucking help everything then.

• 2:38:06Speaker 01

  Does it help?

• 2:38:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, tremendously, tremendously.

• 2:38:10Speaker 01

  Where do they shoot them?

• 2:38:11Joe Rogan?

  Tremendously, right into your injury. Yeah.

• 2:38:14Speaker 01

  I got back, I got, I'm a fucker, but I, but I feel better now. I've been doing these stretches, like the, the guy that my, my physical therapist recommended, and uh, I'm, I'm going to someone who's, he gave me some anti-inflammatory pills for a week, and I feel a tremendous difference.

• 2:38:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, be careful with those.

• 2:38:30Speaker 01

  What do they do?

• 2:38:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, it depends on what you're taking. If you're taking a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory, they're terrible for your gut, your gut biome. It destroys your gut biome.

• 2:38:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:38:39Joe Rogan?

  It could be really bad. It can actually make inflammation. Like, my friend Cam Haynes, he was taking eight hundred milligrams of ibuprofen every day. And I talked to him about it. I go, "What? You doing what?" And then I sent him some stuff that Rhonda Patrick had put out about it. I'm like, "Dude, get off of that." He got off of it, all of his pain went away. The inflammation was being caused by the fact that he was taking so much ibuprofen. It was ruining his gut biome, so it was creating inflammation. So to combat that inflammation, he was taking ibuprofen. And he thought the only way he was gonna be able to run the miles that he was running was to constantly chew on ibuprofen. So he got off of it entirely, all the pain went away. Totally counterintuitive.

• 2:39:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. I've only been on these, uh, he said one week is all. He goes, "I don't want you to take them for a week."

• 2:39:22Joe Rogan?

  What is it?

• 2:39:22Speaker 01

  I don't remember, but he goes, "I just wanna see if it," he's trying to see like how severe the injury is. He goes, "I wanna see if this does help at all." But he goes, "Take them for," he gave them to me for a month, he goes, "Don't take them for more than a week." So I like the fact that he's showing restraint.

• 2:39:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing is, doctors have a limited amount of tools. If you want to prescribe medication to somebody, you know, whatever the, you know, what, whatever the, the common practice is, is what that doctor has to adhere to. They can't step out of line. And the reality is, a lot of that stuff has side effects. But there's natural ways that you could deal with inflammation, like curcumin, turmeric. There's a lot of different, you know, that stuff. That helps a lot. That's legit. And it's not bad for you. But a lot- A lot of inflammation comes from diet, a lot of it, a big factor. Like, I remember I talked to this lady who was a physical therapist and I had a neck issue and she was like,

• 2:40:16Joe Rogan?

  "You'd kind of be amazed if you cut out all the inflammatory foods of your diet, how much it would affect it." I'm like, "Really?" She's like, "Yeah, I mean, you probably do have a neck injury, "but I guarantee it's exacerbated by the foods you're eating." She said, "Cut out bread, cut out sugar and see if it has an effect."

• 2:40:32Speaker 01

  You know, I've tried to, because I fattened up and I know it, like, I put weight on. And again, for me, it was a dopamine thing. I'm not doing the things I used to do.

• 2:40:39Joe Rogan?

  Right, so you need something to do that's just like, "Give me a sandwich."

• 2:40:42Speaker 01

  Something. You know what I'm gonna do on the road? I'll have a pretzel.

• 2:40:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:40:46Speaker 01

  That's what my bane of my existence is, a fucking pretzel. Like, it really is. It's not like I'm eating pizza, I'm not eating cake.

• 2:40:51Joe Rogan?

  All that shit is terrible.

• 2:40:53Speaker 01

  Sour dough pretzels, I can't.

• 2:40:55Joe Rogan?

  All that shit. Our bread is fucked. And our bread is so fucked, if you go and I'm sure you've been overseas, you go eat bread in Italy, you don't feel bad at all.

• 2:41:05Speaker 01

  No, you're not, it's not as bad.

• 2:41:06Joe Rogan?

  We're fucking poisoned. I'll play this thing, because Brian Simpson sent me this, and it's very good. Hold on a second, here, let me show you right here. But it's all about bread. Brian Simpson sent me this and he's like, "I think I'm done with bread." And I was like, "Oh, my God, like, this is kind of crazy."

• 2:41:24Speaker 01

  Do I need my glasses?

• 2:41:25Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, I'll put it up on the screen. I'm gonna find it, though, because he sent it to me. Here it is. Copy, sent it to Jamie.

• 2:41:39Joe Rogan?

  Here it is.

• 2:41:42Joe Rogan?

  It won't matter if there's World War III, but if there's not World War III, probably stay away from bread. American bread. You mean, eat sourdough bread. Sour dough bread's fucking great for you. But play this from the beginning so we could... This guy's gonna explain what's wrong with American bread.

• 2:41:59Joe Rogan?

  In Spain and in, I can in Greece, Italy. No problem. What I was gluten gluten free in 15 years I've been gluten free in uh. Carolina, America. Can't eat it. That's because in America, what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe. See here in America, it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain. About 200 years ago, we started stripping the bran and germ or the fiber and nutrients to make flour shelf stable, also nutritionally dead. Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the population can't even metabolize. Therefore, many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity and inflammation. But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas and the bread

• 2:42:44Joe Rogan?

  didn't rise enough, so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate, which has been in several countries like Europe, the UK and even China. Then we wanted to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut. So now you're bloated, brain fogged, tired and blamed gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat. The real issue is ultra-processed, chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin-filled wheat soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread. This is. Who who is that dude? What's his name? Danny Dur. Uh, click on, click on his, so we could give that guy some props. Dennis uh Echolberger. Echolberger. Echolberger. Danny, Denny, uh, D N N Y underscore D U R E on uh Twitter and Instagram.

• 2:43:29Speaker 01

  Do you know, I will never, as I'm watching him do that, I will never be able to do anything into camera as well as he just described how shitty bread is. Like, I was watching him doing like he's getting all the words proper and he's fucking, he's giving the information, he's not blinking, he's not twitching, he's just.

• 2:43:43Joe Rogan?

  He's not annoying.

• 2:43:44Speaker 01

  He's not annoying, yeah. He's just giving it to you. Perfect delivery.

• 2:43:48Joe Rogan?

  But that should be something that everybody should see. When I know that when I cut that stuff out of my diet, it it makes a giant difference. Also, I should say Joe DeRosa, who has this amazing sub shop in New York, and he's gonna open up one out here in Austin.

• 2:44:01Speaker 01

  Oh, nice.

• 2:44:02Joe Rogan?

  Joey Roses, fantastic sub shop. Their wheat is all flown from Italy. It's all like. Like natural wheat.

• 2:44:10Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 2:44:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and so their bread doesn't fuck with you. And they they make it fresh every day and they throw it out at the end of the day. You never have day old bread, it's always fresh. And they bake it there. So it's like when he's getting bread for his sandwiches, it's the kind of bread that you get in Europe.

• 2:44:27Speaker 01

  Do you know, I think, I I have to think you're right because there was one time we had DeRosa on the show. It was in the morning show and he didn't bring us any sandwiches. I'm like, where where's the fucking sandwiches, Joe? How about a sandwich?

• 2:44:36Joe Rogan?

  He couldn't.

• 2:44:37Speaker 01

  He, that's what he said.

• 2:44:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:38Speaker 01

  And I was like, fuck him, because then he did chip and he brought in sandwiches, but we taped in the afternoon.

• 2:44:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:43Speaker 01

  And I'm like, he was telling the truth.

• 2:44:44Joe Rogan?

  Telling the truth.

• 2:44:44Speaker 01

  Was telling the truth about his bread.

• 2:44:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, when they they had a pop up out here at South by Southwest and he brought over sandwiches. They're fantastic.

• 2:44:52Speaker 01

  They are.

• 2:44:53Joe Rogan?

  Very good.

• 2:44:53Speaker 01

  Unbelievably good.

• 2:44:54Joe Rogan?

  That is my number one, my, if I have a vice, it is Italian food. My my, my big vice is sam- Italian sandwiches, Italian subs, pasta, lasagna. That that stuff gets me, I fucking love it. But you you have to get it from a place that's using like heirloom wheat. And you can find places.

• 2:45:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:45:15Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of great restaurants in New York, there's great restaurants in LA that use heirloom wheat. And you'll eat their pasta and you don't feel bad. Most of the bread that you're getting in America is like what that guy described. And that's why you feel like shit when you eat it.

• 2:45:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel like shit most, most of the time when I'm, especially like just always tired.

• 2:45:32Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:45:33Speaker 01

  I finally got, I I, whatever, it's the apnea, it's a fucking, you know, an old man complaining. I just, I just, I can't breathe when I sleep, it sucks.

• 2:45:40Joe Rogan?

  Have you tried a carnivore diet? You ever tried that?

• 2:45:42Speaker 01

  No, and I get, I know that my fear of eating too much meat is probably unfounded. Um, but I, no, I've I've done Whole30, which actually I shed weight.

• 2:45:53Joe Rogan?

  Fear, what's the fear?

• 2:45:54Speaker 01

  Just that it like, yeah, cause no, I, does cancer feed on meat?

• 2:45:58Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:45:58Speaker 01

  Like, like that's what I was always afraid of.

• 2:45:59Joe Rogan?

  No, cancer feeds on sugar.

• 2:46:01Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:46:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the really, the, the number one thing that cancer oncologists will tell you. Um, when they, if they're trying to adjust your diet, some don't, and it's very infuriating. I've had family members that have cancer and their doctor tells them, you're gonna go through chemotherapy, eat whatever you want. Like, oh my god, don't eat whatever you want. Like, part of what is wrong with you is your diet. It's a giant part of your overall metabolic health. But a lot of oncologists now will try to get people on a ketogenic diet, because it gets your body to burn fat instead of burning sugar. And then it starves the cancer. They're also, they'll try to get you to do, um, some, some fasting,

• 2:46:41Joe Rogan?

  like intermittent fasting, like have a, a window of feeding where you fast for 16 hours and then eat for eight, or you can only eat during eight.

• 2:46:50Speaker 01

  The keto diet, I never did it, but this is what a delusional idiot I am. When I was in Montreal during the pandemic, I, I joined Costco and I would go and eat keto chocolates. And I somehow convinced myself that I was like, oh, it's keto, but I wasn't doing the rest of the fucking diet.

• 2:47:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:47:05Speaker 01

  But they have some actually good shit you can eat if you're on the keto diet. I guess you're doing it right. But I would go there and buy all these delicious, like keto chocolate clusters. So, yeah, that one, I heard it gives you bad breath keto. That was what I've, I've heard. Again, I just, I don't remember where I heard it, but they were like, there's something about ketosis fucks your breath up.

• 2:47:22Joe Rogan?

  I bet it does. Yeah, I bet it does. But just brush your fucking teeth and have a mint.

• 2:47:27Speaker 01

  Well, is it coming from the gut, though?

• 2:47:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, probably is. It's probably ketones. Ketones smell terrible. Have you ever taken exogenous ketones?

• 2:47:34Speaker 01

  I've, I've never even, I've heard of ketones. What's an exogenous ketone?

• 2:47:37Joe Rogan?

  You can take exogenous ketones. It's ketones that you drink and it puts your body into an instant state of ketosis, where your body instantly starts to burn fat. And it actually is really good mentally. Um, I like, I take exogenous ketones sometimes when I have to perform, or I have to do something. So I've taken them before UFC's too. UFC's are like the big mindfuck for me, because it's six hours of thinking.

• 2:47:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:47:59Joe Rogan?

  And I have to think about previous fights. I have to, like, predict techniques. I have to see what's going on. And then like, we're gonna, when it goes to the ground, it's kinda like my job is to explain particular. submissions when it goes to the ground, especially in the early days before I did it with DC. Cause I was, you know, the only, like when it was me and Goldberg, Goldberg's not really a martial artist. So it was just me. So I would have to go like, explain why someone's in trouble and what's gonna happen to someone who's, doesn't understand. Like a, a triangle or something like that when someone goes to the ground. And you need brain fuel. And so, uh, ketones help a lot. Another thing is like, I eat these gum, these are gummies now, Alpha Brain gummies.

• 2:48:39Joe Rogan?

  But I always take some type of nootropic neuro gum or there's, neuro gum has mints too. I'll take these mints. Like if you see me at the UFC, I'll have those. I take these little nicotine, um, pouches.

• 2:48:53Speaker 01

  What are they called? Uh, anything? Pins? Are they, what's, what are they called? Uh, there's a word for those little nicotine.

• 2:48:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, pouches?

• 2:49:00Speaker 01

  Zin, that's what I'm thinking of, yeah.

• 2:49:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, these are different. These are from a company called Lucy. These are called breakers.

• 2:49:05Speaker 01

  Are those, do those have THC in them?

• 2:49:07Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, it's just nicotine. This is all just nicotine.

• 2:49:10Speaker 01

  No, I mean those, the, uh, gummies.

• 2:49:11Joe Rogan?

  No, no, the gummies are just nootropics. Nootropics are, um, like theanine, um, there's like a little bit of caffeine in these and they, uh, like one of the things we did with Onnit. We, we made, uh, this thing called Alpha Brain, which was, there's a bunch of different nootropics out there and a bunch of like, um, um, Acetylcholine, a bunch of different things that have shown to have an effect on your memory.

• 2:49:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:38Joe Rogan?

  And so we put together a, a, a group of these that would all work synergistically. And then we did two double-blind placebo-controlled trials at Boston Center for Memory. And it showed efficacy. It showed that it, it helped incre- increase verbal memory, which is like, your ability to form sentences and recall the word, the correct words to use.

• 2:49:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:59Joe Rogan?

  Reaction time, uh, alpha state. And so it's like, it does work. And it's not just Onnit because I'm connected to it. Like I have no connection at all to neuro gum or neuro mints.

• 2:50:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:50:10Joe Rogan?

  But it works and I tell people about it. There's another company called True Brain. That's really good. There's another company called Neuro One. That was the first one that I ever tried. That's a, that's Bill Romanowski, the football player.

• 2:50:21Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:50:21Joe Rogan?

  He developed that because he was having memory problems after getting fucking hit in the head for all those years playing football.

• 2:50:27Speaker 01

  Didn't, uh, I, as far as I've ever gone, what was that pill you were, it's not echinacea. There was one pill you were taking that was supposed to be good for memory. It was like one of those things you get on the fucking shelf in the vitamin store. Um, and I don't remember what it was, but I used to take that, but I didn't see any.

• 2:50:41Joe Rogan?

  I was taken in?

• 2:50:42Speaker 01

  No, me. I say the collective you. It's people who take.

• 2:50:45Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, but there's a bunch of those things. They're real. Like nootropics, it's a real thing. And a lot of people call it snake oil, and I understand. I understand that you'd be very suspicious. But there's a real, and this is one of the reasons why, you know, like I have a connection, obviously, to Onnit. We founded the company together, but I don't have any connection to NeuroBrain or NeuroOne. Take them. They work. There's real legitimate solutions that help your brain function, and they don't seem to carry any side effects. Some people, they take high doses of some of them, get headaches. Uh, I think that's probably just like, some people react very badly to caffeine. Some people, you know, it's like, everybody has their own different biological stuff, but try it. And the gum is a great one. Neurogum is great.

• 2:51:31Joe Rogan?

  Because it's a delicious gum, it tastes good, and it really works, man. I take it all the time.

• 2:51:35Speaker 01

  It helps your brain a little bit.

• 2:51:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. I take it before I go on stage. I chew Neurogum before I go on stage. It's very legit.

• 2:51:41Speaker 01

  Do you know what I wanted to take?

• 2:51:42Joe Rogan?

  Jamie's got a big bag of it right there. And again, we're not connected to them.

• 2:51:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:51:46Joe Rogan?

  This is just, this is just stuff that works.

• 2:51:49Speaker 01

  I wanted to take because flying became such a, again, a fear for me again, like in this phase of my life, I don't fucking need that. So I talked to Whitney, and she talked about beta blockers. I didn't take them, but I got, I like, do they help at all to like? But I have a low heartbeat anyway, so I don't know if it's gonna fuck me up to take a beta blocker.

• 2:52:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, beta blockers stop you from getting anxious. They stop adrenaline. They still, there are a lot of people, they get busted using them in like archery competitions, they ban them.

• 2:52:17Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:52:17Joe Rogan?

  Because, you know, like you're like in the Olympics, and you're just trying to hit that bullseye every time. Like any kind of nerves or jitter is gonna fuck with you. Uh, but, you know, the problem is, it's gonna be something that you get, you get addicted to, or you, maybe not even physically addicted. But you, you know, you become dependent upon it.

• 2:52:36Speaker 01

  That's what I don't want. And I think I've asked, they said they weren't, but for flying, it's something I, like I literally have to fight to do.

• 2:52:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:42Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I'm getting a little bit better, but I like.

• 2:52:45Joe Rogan?

  Anxiety.

• 2:52:46Speaker 01

  Dude, I'm a fucking, I'm a grown up. I have to sit by the window and look at the wing and try, I'm really hateable on a plane. Fucking six in the morning, I'm just trying to sleep, and I get my fucking fat face pressed up against the window, staring like I'm eight.

• 2:52:59Speaker 01

  So I'm trying to get out of that.

• 2:53:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's, there are things, you know what's another thing that's really good for your cognitive function that a lot of people aren't aware of is creatine. And creatine is really good, particularly if you are sleep deprived. Like, there's a study that they did that showed that if you take, I think it's 20 milligrams of creatine, it has a really positive effect on your ability to maintain normal cognitive function while you're sleep deprived.

• 2:53:28Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:53:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's also very good for women. Creatine is especially good supplement for women to take for some strange reason. But it's, um, you know, it's a muscle building supplement. It's like really good for helping you, um, gain muscle mass and, and strength if you're weight training. That was what it was initially used for, but now they're realizing there's a lot of cognitive benefits to creatine as well.

• 2:53:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't take any of that stuff, and I probably should at this point.

• 2:53:54Joe Rogan?

  I take creatine every day.

• 2:53:55Speaker 01

  I take nothing, other than just like, like my, the little thing for my heart and, you know, just.

• 2:54:00Joe Rogan?

  You don't take vitamins?

• 2:54:01Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:54:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 2:54:03Speaker 01

  I know, I probably should.

• 2:54:04Joe Rogan?

  I take everything.

• 2:54:05Speaker 01

  I take B, I do take B and I take one other one.

• 2:54:06Joe Rogan?

  You should take D for sure. You live in New York City, you know, you're probably not getting enough sun.

• 2:54:11Speaker 01

  No, definitely.

• 2:54:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, D is huge, because D is a hormone. D is actually a hormone. Uh, and it's a hormone that your body produces when you get into the sun. The best way to get vitamin D for sure is to be in the sun. But if you're not in the sun enough, um, one of my, one of my friends who's a doctor was in New York City when he was doing his, his residency, and he said they would do tests on people in New York City, and they found that they had undetectable levels of vitamin D in the winter. And he was like, you know, this is, has a huge effect on your immune system. It's the reason why people get, like everyone's, oh, it's flu season. No, it's lack of vitamin D season is what it is. The flu doesn't thrive in the winter. The flu exists in the winter because people have a low immune system in the winter, and

• 2:54:55Joe Rogan?

  then they start catching it and giving it to other people, but it's really a function of your immune system not working properly. So you need D, and you should take D with K2, uh, vitamin K2 and magnesium. They all work synergically. Logistically together.

• 2:55:09Speaker 01

  I'll remember it like hard. I will text you and ask you the same question like.

• 2:55:13Joe Rogan?

  Text me, I'll, I'll tell you, but you should take that, but you should also take B. You should take B12. You should take C. C is huge. Uh, you, you can't take enough of it, or you can't take too much of it. C is great. I could take liposomal C. It's really good for you.

• 2:55:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, cause it's how it is. You get older, man. You start thinking like, eh, these things are starting to affect me now a little bit. Not terrible. I'm still in pretty good health, but you, you start to panic and start to think.

• 2:55:39Joe Rogan?

  How old are you now?

• 2:55:39Speaker 01

  Fifty-six.

• 2:55:40Joe Rogan?

  I'm fifty-seven. I'm almost fifty-eight. Um, and my body works great and it's really because of that. It's just, it's a huge effect. I don't skip days and when I do, I feel it, you know, but I try not to, and I have a whole cabinet filled with supplements that I take. Uh, you know, I take a lot of vitamins.

• 2:55:57Speaker 01

  My buddies never work great though, so it's not like I don't see any real drop off.

• 2:56:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the problem. You know, if you're working out and you're doing all these different things and you want your body to function better, just force yourself to do it. Get your wife to like make you little packets. It's real simple. You know, just lay all the stuff. I need two of these, three of these, one of those, put it all in a package. This is methylfolate, put that in there. This is and all that stuff has a giant effect on your health. It is, you wanna, you want your body to function optimally. And what I noticed the difference is when I eat poorly, when I don't get enough sleep and when I don't take supplements, I get that. I quit drinking, uh, like three months ago, little more than, little more than three months.

• 2:56:40Speaker 01

  Like nothing? You're not drinking at all?

• 2:56:41Joe Rogan?

  I haven't drank anything in three months. I feel great.

• 2:56:43Speaker 01

  Was it hard?

• 2:56:43Joe Rogan?

  No, it was super easy. It was really easy. Yeah, it was like, I just, there was too many days where it's kind of hard when you own a club and you're there a lot. And you know, you're having drinks with friends and like, you wanna drink? Yeah, I'll have a drink. And then the next day I'd be at the gym and be like, ugh. Feel like shit. And I'd be drinking all this water and taking all these electrolytes and getting a sauna and the cold plunge, just trying to get back to normal. I'm like, why am I doing that? Well, in the three months of no drinking, I have not had one bad day. I have not had one day where I felt like shit and it just confirmed what I. I thought I was poisoning myself, poisoning myself with fun. I was having a good time.

• 2:57:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:57:23Joe Rogan?

  I was, you know, it wasn't terrible. I wasn't an alcoholic. I wasn't drinking and driving or anything stupid, but it was a couple of drinks. A few nights a week, maybe I'd go out with my wife on date night, have a couple glasses of wine. It was just at the end of the week. It's like you're drinking eight drinks and that's just not good. It's just not good for you.

• 2:57:44Speaker 01

  I can't imagine drinking and doing comedy. Like I, again, I quit before I started. And I see guys who are like, like, I can't, cause I was not a fun drunk at all. I was a fucking crier. I was the fucking worst. No one liked me.

• 2:58:01Speaker 01

  So I, I was.

• 2:58:02Joe Rogan?

  But you're like nineteen though, right?

• 2:58:04Speaker 01

  Eighteen, I was eighteen, yeah.

• 2:58:04Joe Rogan?

  You're not even supposed to be drinking back then.

• 2:58:06Speaker 01

  I know, and people like, it's, oh, he was too young, he's thinking, but it's like.

• 2:58:10Joe Rogan?

  Try it again now, Jimmy.

• 2:58:11Speaker 01

  Uh, people would love, but they wouldn't like me. I was a cutter. I mean, who the fuck was that? A fifty-six year old cutter? I mean, how awful is that?

• 2:58:19Joe Rogan?

  That's awful.

• 2:58:20Speaker 01

  So I was, it's the best thing I did because I, I was, I was not a fun guy to be around. Some guys are fun. Like some, like when Anthony drinks, he's, you know, at times I wish his fucking Twitter fingers were broken. But I wish we'd locked his fucking phone, but he is a funny, like, he's not, uh, usually an angry drunk.

• 2:58:37Joe Rogan?

  Right, it's functional.

• 2:58:37Speaker 01

  He's a functional guy. I was never functional. I was vomit. I was, the phone, I should call the FBI. I fucking, you know, I used to call bomb threats into my high school. I was fucking crazy.

• 2:58:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 2:58:49Speaker 01

  I called, uh, I can say it now, I mean, I called, let's say a threat into the White House, but I was thirteen, I was thirteen when I did it.

• 2:58:56Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy. What a crazy thing to do.

• 2:58:58Speaker 01

  The Ku Klux Klan, I called the fucking, cause I was like a little lib Jimmy. And I read that, there was a Klan book I read and the guy was like a preacher for the Ku Klux Klan. So I called him, I looked his number up on four one one back then. It was in the early eighties.

• 2:59:11Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:59:12Speaker 01

  And, uh, I got his name and I called him. I was, are you fucking racist? And he actually talked to me and he was like, no, I got out of the Klan. I'm not in that anymore. We actually had a conver, he actually engaged me. Um, for about twenty minutes. I had a conversation with, with some Klans.

• 2:59:27Joe Rogan?

  Kid?

• 2:59:28Speaker 01

  I was. Fourteen years old, fifteen years old.

• 2:59:30Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:59:30Speaker 01

  Mid-eight, again, that's, I remember calling for information. I forget what's-

• 2:59:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, good for him for doing that.

• 2:59:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, for getting out.

• 2:59:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, got it, getting out and talking to you about that on the phone. He didn't have to talk to you about that, he could've just hung up.

• 2:59:42Speaker 01

  I'm surprised, because many people did.

• 2:59:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:45Speaker 01

  Uh, many, I, I was a, I was a fix-the-world on the phone. Thank God I didn't have fucking Twitter.

• 2:59:49Joe Rogan?

  Do you know who Darryl Davis is?

• 2:59:51Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:59:51Joe Rogan?

  Darryl Davis is a guy who's been on the podcast a couple of times, and he's a, uh, blues musician.

• 2:59:56Speaker 01

  Is he black?

• 2:59:57Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:59:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:59:57Joe Rogan?

  And he's the guy that would convert-

• 3:00:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:00:00Joe Rogan?

  The Klan members.

• 3:00:01Speaker 01

  I know who he is, yeah.

• 3:00:02Joe Rogan?

  And he gets their costumes. They give him their wizard costumes at the end.

• 3:00:05Speaker 01

  He's just, uh, cause he's probably a guy who's not, and, and I, I have seen stuff by him. He probably is just a, a good guy, and, and i- it's hard to dismiss him-

• 3:00:14Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 3:00:14Speaker 01

  Because he's not force-feeding you.

• 3:00:15Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 3:00:16Speaker 01

  Um, it's hard to dismiss anybody when you're just, when you're not, no one wants to be messaged at, man.

• 3:00:21Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 3:00:22Speaker 01

  I don't, I, I can't, in stand-up, I can't even do it. Like, my job is not to convert people. I want you to know what my life is, I hope you have some respect for it, like, I, I'm just living the way I wanna live.

• 3:00:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:32Speaker 01

  And I'm not out to tell other people they have to feel this way.

• 3:00:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:00:36Speaker 01

  Cause no one wants to be messaged at.

• 3:00:38Joe Rogan?

  Nobody. It doesn't work, it's not effective.

• 3:00:40Speaker 01

  It's, if it was effective, I'd probably do it.

• 3:00:42Joe Rogan?

  What's effective is what Darryl does. He just shows you, like, this is a good man, I must be wrong if I think that all black people are evil.

• 3:00:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:00:48Joe Rogan?

  This guy's, like, become a good friend, you have him over for dinner, and then the guy's like, I'm telling you right now, I'm getting out of the Klan, cause of you. And he did it to like two hundred different people on a one-on-one basis.

• 3:00:59Speaker 01

  Where he gets to know them, and getting beyond, it's like, we talked about before, like, anytime somebody is an asshole publicly, but when you meet them-

• 3:01:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:01:07Speaker 01

  And you realize, oh, there's a person here, like-

• 3:01:08Joe Rogan?

  It's the way people are supposed to communicate, and this is what I think is so terrible about social media, is that too many people are just, become so accustomed to barking at people, just barking out into the abyss.

• 3:01:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have to stop myself from doing it. There's been times people have tweeted something, and I wanna make like a cunty remark, and I'm like, shut up, dummy, they're not talking to you.

• 3:01:26Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 3:01:26Speaker 01

  Mind your fucking business, I really do say that to myself.

• 3:01:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:01:29Speaker 01

  Mind your business, you fucking hen.

• 3:01:30Joe Rogan?

  And when I see people do it, I think, that guy's mentally ill. Like, you're engaging with these people, you're yelling at these people on Twi- you're mentally ill.

• 3:01:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, I don't- I care what other people, like, I care what people think about me in the sense that I want them to think I'm funny and I want them to love, of course, we all want to be liked. But I don't care what people's opinions on the Middle East, I don't give a shit.

• 3:01:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're not gonna change their opinions.

• 3:01:49Speaker 01

  And I don't need them to agree with mine, like, I have enough confidence in my own brain.

• 3:01:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:01:53Speaker 01

  That I am not always right, but I'm always comfortable in my opinions. And I'm not afraid of somebody, I'm okay being wrong, too.

• 3:01:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:02:00Speaker 01

  Like, I don't need, uh, I don't, I don't need the power of agreement from somebody, it's just...

• 3:02:05Joe Rogan?

  Good for you.

• 3:02:06Speaker 01

  But it's only because I've tried it my life and it hasn't worked.

• 3:02:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:02:08Speaker 01

  It doesn't make you happy when you get it.

• 3:02:10Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 3:02:10Speaker 01

  Um, it only makes you angry.

• 3:02:12Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't work. It's not, it's a terrible way to communicate.

• 3:02:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 3:02:16Joe Rogan?

  Jimmy, I love you to death.

• 3:02:17Speaker 01

  I love you too, Joe, thank you, buddy.

• 3:02:18Joe Rogan?

  It's always great to see you.

• 3:02:19Speaker 01

  Yes, sir, and can I-

• 3:02:20Joe Rogan?

  Uh, tell everybody, yeah.

• 3:02:21Speaker 01

  Yes, uh, the special is called, uh, Unconceivable. I kept forgetting the name, and it's not a misspelling, unconceivable is actually a word in the English language, and it does kind of fit. And, uh, the podcast is Jim Norton Can't Save You. Both are on at Jim Norton Comedy at YouTube. Um, and I'm really happy with the special, like-

• 3:02:38Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 3:02:38Speaker 01

  I, I would say that anyway, I'm not gonna come up here and shit on my own special, I'm not that self-destructive. But I actually really was happy with this one.

• 3:02:44Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful.

• 3:02:45Speaker 01

  So I hope you like it.

• 3:02:46Joe Rogan?

  All right.

• 3:02:46Speaker 01

  Thanks, pal.

• 3:02:47Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.

• 3:03:01Joe Rogan?

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