Myles Garrett & AJ Brown Got Traded, Caleb Williams on Madden Cover, Da Bears & Shirtless Ben Johnson | EP 194

92%ers, welcome to another episode of New Heights brought to you by Enterprise! On today’s episode, Jason and Travis weigh in on AJ Brown finally heading to the Patriots, the shocking Myles Garrett trade to the Rams, the official reveal of the New Heights sandal, and we might’ve officially lost Philly Santa at Jason’s golf event. And finally, we’ve got Caleb Williams. Caleb sits down with us and reveals why he’s hyped for season 2 with Ben Johnson, the secret to all of his unorthodox throws, we revisit the electric Bears/Rams playoff game, his feelings on more shirtless Ben Johnson, the best Chicago food, his welcome to the NFL moment, and more! Shop our new sandal collab with OluKai at http://kelceclubhouse.com Our book “No Dumb Questions” is available now at https://www.harpercollins.com/pages/nodumbquestions New Heights will be Live in Los Angeles at The Orpheum Theatre on June 15th. Tickets on sale now. https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/09006491EE43FB93 Watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights every Wednesday during the NFL season and follow us on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow You can also listen to new episodes on Wondery, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. . . . Download the full podcast here: Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMb Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Support the show: ENTERPRISE: This tournament, every corner kick goal is your chance to win a car. Post on X #OnEveryCorner #sweepstakes and tag @Enterprise the moment a corner kick is called. For more details and an additional chance to win, visit https://OnEveryCorner.com. No purchase necessary. Open to legal residents of the 50 US states, and D. C., Puerto Rico, Canada, Ireland, the United Kingdom, France, Germany and Spain, who are 21 and older. Sweepstakes ends July 19, 2026. Void where prohibited. Prize awarded if a corner kick goal is scored. For entry details and official rules, visit https://OnEveryCorner.com. AMERICAN EXPRESS: Card members can enjoy access to over 1,550 airport lounges worldwide, the largest global lounge network, compared to other credit card companies, as of July 2025. Learn more at www.americanexpress.com/withplatinum. Terms apply. MENTOS: Refresh the Everyday with Mentos Gum. Shop Now! THE HOME DEPOT: An official FIFA World Cup 2026™ supporter. Visit https://homedepot.com/FIFAWorldCup26 to learn more. PLANET FITNESS: Best-in-class equipment and a space for every kind of strength. We're All Strong on this Planet™ Learn more at http://planetfitness.com/ COLGATE: Colgate Total prevents problems before they start. Available on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/ColgateTotalAmazon See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:32Travis Kelce?

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• 1:54Travis Kelce?

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• 2:01Speaker 02

  Get started today at Planet Fitness or learn more at planetfitness.com. There was a moment last year that I want to bring up that I thought was just a complete lack of class. I don't know. I don't know who takes their shirt off at a football game. Are we going to get Ben popping his top off more this year? Like, is this a thing that's going to stay?

• 2:20Travis Kelce?

  You gotta own it.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  When he started doing it, we just.

• 2:24Speaker 03

  Just lost our It was a great moment. It was like, look at him.

• 2:29Travis Kelce?

  Everybody's going.

• 2:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm juiced in the back. Ben didn't do it early in the year because he had it. He had to lift a little bit more. I started at some point, at some point, I started seeing him in the waiver room right before we go out to practice, getting a couple of squads, getting a couple, you know, lifts and things like that. And then.

• 2:46Travis Kelce?

  He was working for this moment.

• 2:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, he was working for this moment, for this moment right here.

• 2:55Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of all ages and all sizes and hopefully of all parts of the world. This is a Wondery show brought to you by Enterprise. That's right. We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce. It's my big brother, Jason Kelce out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the Heights. Shout out to those Bearcats too. Everybody back in UC, man, we miss you guys. Subscribe on YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts, follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. And Jason's going to tell us what we have.

• 3:28Speaker 02

  That's right. Ninety percenters, we got another great episode as we do always. We're going to recap a wild bunch of NFL trades that happened just a day ago in the new league year starting. And we also are going to hear about Chiefs OTAs. Oh, and Caleb Williams is here. That's right.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  Before that, obviously, we're going to get to some of that.

• 3:48Speaker 02

  New news is brought to you by American Express. Actually, we're going to get into it right now because this is part of the new news. I don't know if you saw this, Travis, but biggest surprise of potentially the NFL season, A.J. Brown was traded.

• 4:00Travis Kelce?

  Potentially until the other trade happened the same day. I would say this was kind of documented. It was going to happen. Everybody had had their eyes on it since the draft, really. It sounded like you even knew because you said if the Eagles take a wide receiver in the draft, that means.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  Tells you a lot.

• 4:19Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 4:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I did not know for certain, but I think I knew just as well as anybody else that has any type of intuition, has been following football at all, or the Philadelphia Eagles. You can always tell when the way organizations are answering questions, you know, about like, oh, are you guys interested in trading them? Well, you know, we're listening to offers and, you know, we still value the guy, but if there's something there, we might be willing. It's like, okay, so they're shopping them and something's going to happen. And no, I think at the end of the day, it was not a surprise. I think AJ very clearly made it known that, you know, he's been frustrated the last few years and from everything coming out, it sounds like he wanted and was excited to move on.

• 4:59Travis Kelce?

  It's tough.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  And I think it was in everybody's best interest. I mean, at this point, it certainly felt like it was enough of a distraction and had been that way where I think everybody was just kind of done trying to make it work out. And I think, I mean, it's a hell of a situation.

• 5:13Travis Kelce?

  Oh, he's going to be just fine. New England, man. Got Drake May throwing him the football, got a great offensive coordinator.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:21Travis Kelce?

  Obviously a great head coach. They just got back from playing in the Super Bowl, man. That, uh, that New England team is, is, was already really good. And now they just got, um, you know, arguably one of the best receivers in the league. So.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  Here's the reality. AJ Brown was not the reason the Eagles offense was not successful this year. He's a very good football player. I don't want to hear all this, has he lost his step? We're going to find out this year. I think he's going to have a really good year. How does a relationship like this start to falter? It's because you don't have success on the field. You stop executing as a team, you stop executing as players. The Eagles offense had continued to decline as a pass a game. The run game stalled out last year with injuries and other things happening. So, you know, execution fuels emotion. When you're not performing, this is the reality of the league. This is the reality of how it goes. Do I wish AJ would have handled it better at times? Yes. But I don't fault him for being frustrated that he wasn't getting what he wanted out of the game and out of playing for the Philadelphia Eagles.

• 6:18Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, obviously it's not just him.

• 6:20Speaker 02

  He's not doing it for a year. Here's the reality. They're, they're changing completely what they do. The offense had grown stale. It was at one point very. Didn't have an issue in 2022 when there was the most explosive offense in the NFL.

• 6:33Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 6:34Speaker 02

  When they go out in the Super Bowl against you guys, even though we lost, they put up tons of numbers. Right?

• 6:38Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 6:38Speaker 02

  It only happens once teams start to get a beat. We didn't adjust well. Whatever it is, I don't know whether it was it's combined with schematics, injuries to the O line, not running the quarterback. There's all these litany of things that could have caused the Eagles offense to decline over the last three years. That's why this has happened. So now they get to try and reinvent themselves into the explosive offense they can be with Sean Mannion. This is a big year for Jalen. It's a big year for the Eagles offense. They just lost one of their best players. They drafted a young kid in Mackay Lemon, who seems like he's the real deal and fits the offense very well. They still have Devante Smith, Saquon Barkley, Dallas Goddard, a great offensive line as long as they're healthy and Jalen Hurts. They have plenty of guys to work with still. How can they adjust with this new offense is a big?

• 7:22Speaker 02

  That is the big thing I'm looking forward to. How can Sean Mannion be as a play caller? How could Jalen adjust to being under center, throwing over the middle, all these progressions? There's question marks, but it's also optimism, right? There's hope. We're not just running it back and doing the same thing that we've tried to get right and tried to to manufacture over the last three seasons that has clearly not been working. And you saw it on the face of A.J. Brown and on Jalen and on other guys because it wasn't manifesting itself. Now we get to see what it looks like with a fresh start offensively. So I'm looking forward to what the Eagles look like. I'm looking forward to seeing what A.J. does in New England. I am. As a fan of football, I can't wait to see what Drake May and he he do up in New England with Josh McDaniels.

• 8:06Travis Kelce?

  All right, now.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  And we get a little joint practice.

• 8:08Travis Kelce?

  Oh, a little joint practice.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  That's right. Patriots and Eagles joint practice.

• 8:13Travis Kelce?

  I bought it.

• 8:14Speaker 02

  Lot of storylines.

• 8:16Travis Kelce?

  I've never, uh, never been a part of one of those. I don't know what that is. It is sad to see that there's only one Batman left.

• 8:24Travis Kelce?

  Only one Batman left in Philly and it's and that's skinny Batman.

• 8:27Speaker 02

  And I will say skinny Batman fits this system very well.

• 8:31Travis Kelce?

  There's.

• 8:32Speaker 02

  I think skinny Batman fits just about every system.

• 8:34Travis Kelce?

  I was gonna say, when you are the system.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  Hey, that's one of my favorite, uh,

• 8:40Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:41Speaker 02

  Jalen Hurts quotes right there. All right. Well, that's my overall take is just, this is what happens when things kind of decline. Listen, I was here in Philadelphia when they got rid of Andy Reid. I hated when they made that decision because I love Andy, but in hindsight, it was probably best for everybody. Andy got to go start fresh. Certainly has worked out for him in Kansas City.

• 9:00Travis Kelce?

  Fan.

• 9:00Speaker 02

  I bet, I bet he doesn't regret any of that. It just gets to a point where sometimes this is kind of the nature of it. And, um, yeah, go birds.

• 9:09Travis Kelce?

  Well, there's another, there's another, uh, trade that I think kind of came out of the blue more than this AJ or Brown one to the Patriots and that is, yeah, kind of, yeah. Either way, Browns traded, uh, reigning defensive player of the year, Myles Garrett. That's right. They traded the best defensive player in the league to the Rams. Um, now they didn't just trade him for anything. They traded him for Jared verse, who is a fucking ball player and a 2027 first round pick and a 2029 second round pick as well as a 2029 third round pick.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 9:50Travis Kelce?

  Um, they gave up quite a bit for the best defensive player in the league. Do you think this was even?

• 9:56Speaker 02

  Do I think it's even? No, I think Cleveland nets out in the better. But the, the caveat is I think the Rams, it's worth it on their end because they're in this win now mode. They get the best defensive player in the league to come in. What's it best for the future, giving up all these picks? And with the money that there's, they're going to have on the salary cap, I don't know. But it is, if you go win a Super Bowl and that's, they drafted a quarterback early this year. This is by all accounts, Matthew Stafford, the reigning MVP, not just defensive MVP, MVP of the league is still on the team. You don't know how much longer you have. This window is closing. That's why I really like the move for both teams. I like it for the Rams because they're like, listen, we're shelling out. We're not holding back. That's how they won the first Super Bowl.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  They went out and got all these monsters on the defense and on offense, and they decided to, and it, they, it hurt them from a salary standpoint. Point in future years and they had to take a step back, but they're doing something similar here. They're gonna go out, get Myles Garrett. He's gonna add a ton to the defense as he does to any defense.

• 10:57Travis Kelce?

  It's gonna be interesting to see him in a, see him in a new uniform, see, seeing how, you know, a nice, fresh start with a team and a organization has had more recent success than the Browns. It's, it's, I mean, it's, you got the MVP on offense and the defensive player of the year on defense. Man, it sounds like kind of the makeup that they had when they won their last one.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  I mean, they were right there last year and listen, Jared verse is a great player. Do make no mistake about it. This guy, this guy is very good.

• 11:24Travis Kelce?

  That son of a buck could play some fucking ball now. And I, and I'm talking about all the, all four quarters, every fucking down. He's playing some fucking ball now.

• 11:33Speaker 02

  So we just talked about LA and why I think it makes sense for them. This is why it makes sense for Cleveland. Cleveland's getting one of the best young edge rushers in the league still. Jared verse is a great player. Now he doesn't get the same amount of sacks, but he definitely develops pressures. This guy could, it might be the best bull rush in defensive end of the league. I saw him take six foot nine, 365 Jordan Milata and put him on his back. Do you know how hard that is? And Jordan Milat, like Jordan, I, I even tell Jordan, you bro, invite the bull rush. You're a monster. You're huge. Nobody's gonna be able to run your, well, this guy did it.

• 12:08Speaker 02

  Seriously, if Jared verse can do, he's already, he got seven and a half sacks this last year. If he can develop one finesse move off of that bull rush. He will be easily double digit sacks every year. That's how good this kid is. And on top of they get a first round, second round and a third round pick in future years. So I, I think Cleveland, great move for them. I think great move for LA. I can't wait to watch the Rams. They were right there last year.

• 12:36Speaker 02

  And Myles Garrett, I mean, Jesus, there's a bunch of people talking to like, what if AD comes out of retirement? What if it's Myles Garrett and AD on the same side, on the same team, on the same field?

• 12:45Travis Kelce?

  They, they can't do that, right?

• 12:46Speaker 02

  That'd be cheating.

• 12:47Travis Kelce?

  They can't do that.

• 12:48Speaker 02

  Roger would have to step in. If I was still playing a line in the league, I would start a petition. This is no, this isn't, this isn't allowed.

• 12:56Travis Kelce?

  I'm trying to go fund me. This isn't allowed. I don't know what we're raising money for, but we're gonna fucking, we're gonna put a halt to this.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  I mean, those two players on the same team, those are the, easily the most physically gifted guys I played against.

• 13:09Travis Kelce?

  And the rest of the D line aren't a bunch of slouches. Like they got some fucking ball players.

• 13:14Speaker 02

  We got Fisk, you have, um, inside, you have Kobe Turner. Who's a really good player inside, but there's another edge player that's that they do more of the games with Young.

• 13:25Travis Kelce?

  Byron Young.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  Byron Young. Byron Young. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Ben. The benefit of having a guy like Myles Garrett is it's going to make every team that plays you alter everything they're doing to stop that one player. And that is a major advantage if you're a defensive coordinator. I know, I know Shula, the DC is freaking licking his chops right now, knowing what he has and how he's going to be able to get after the quarterback with this guy on the team. So,

• 13:49Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm excited to watch all this. Oh, they also Rams also got Trent McDuffie this offseason and Jalen Watson.

• 13:55Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, they got both of our, both of our secondary or both of our starting corners. What's crazy about this is that the Rams since trading for Matthew Stafford have actually had two first round picks since 2016, just two first round picks.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 14:12Travis Kelce?

  And that was, one was Jared verse, who they just traded and the other is the kid that they took this year, Ty Simpson.

• 14:20Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, this has been Cronkies model and what these guys have done. Like they, they believe in getting proven talent and they shell out for it. And to be honest, I, I like it. Like it's, don't get me wrong. I like first round picks too. First round picks are awesome. I love the excitement of having a, like a young, really good player.

• 14:42Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 14:42Speaker 02

  But I mean, I also love getting really good players that you know are going to be great in the league because they have proof of it.

• 14:49Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  They have been not shy of shelling out to win championships. And that's something I really admire about what the Rams do and how aggressive they are in offseason acquisitions and, and everything that they do. So this is also not the only last bit of new news for offseason moves.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  Travis, do you know Nick Herbig? Are you familiar with the name?

• 15:13Travis Kelce?

  Nick Herbig? Nick Herbig? No, it doesn't ring your bell.

• 15:16Speaker 02

  He is now the highest paid NFL player who isn't a starter ever in the history of the NFL. So the main reason I know Nick is because I played with his brother Nate and I did a workout with Nick one offseason when he was still in college at Wisconsin. This kid's like a fucking goddamn Badger. And I gotta give him a shout out because every time he goes on the field.

• 15:35Travis Kelce?

  This is legit?

• 15:37Speaker 02

  He is a backup outside linebacker for the Steelers. He started some games and guys have gotten hurt. But he just flashes and makes plays. I'm telling you, he's a stud. He's a disruptor.

• 15:48Travis Kelce?

  I know exactly who you're talking about. In my mind, in my mind, he's, I mean, he's exactly that. He's a Badger. He's like fucking just, he's everywhere. And he's a smart player, got the fucking motor.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  I love the way he plays, man. And I know I'm biased because I know him. I played with his brother.

• 16:05Travis Kelce?

  White linebacker, yeah.

• 16:06Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, I mean.

• 16:07Travis Kelce?

  You're a white backer.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  He's a Hawaiian though, so he doesn't come off white. He doesn't come off white. Dude, him and his brother grew up, I believe, is either the Big Island or Kauai. They grew up on one of the islands.

• 16:17Travis Kelce?

  There you go.

• 16:18Speaker 02

  So.

• 16:19Travis Kelce?

  But he's what? He's a white, he's a white Hawaiian?

• 16:21Speaker 02

  He, I think Herbie said his dad's a redneck, was his exact words.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  My dad's a redneck, man.

• 16:32Speaker 02

  They're both good players.

• 16:33Travis Kelce?

  Congrats to the big dog of making a fucking 100 mil. Hell yeah.

• 16:37Speaker 02

  We have offensive coordinator news, right? The Eagles got some news coming out with Sean Mannion, but more importantly for Trav, Biennium is back with the Chiefs. How we, how we feeling?

• 16:48Travis Kelce?

  He be back in the building. You know, there's just sometimes a guy comes around and you just know you're done fucking around. I think Coach Reed is one of those guys, but even to, to another degree, the accountability that Eric Biennium holds is, is second to none, man. Just his coaching style, how we, how we, how we practice, how we preaches, how to practice to, for it to translate into the games. It's something I think we've, we've kind of got, we've, we've missed and and you know, it's not saying that anybody else was not good. We still went out and we won another Super Bowl and all that. We, we definitely still had the pieces, but at the same time, Biennium has this ability to kind of.

• 17:33Travis Kelce?

  Tweet the culture in the right direction. I think this is gonna be, this is gonna really help us out this year.

• 17:38Speaker 02

  You're not the only one that thinks that. Patrick Mahomes and Trey Smith say players unfamiliar with Eric Biennium haven't seen the real EB yet. That's right.

• 17:47Travis Kelce?

  No, they haven't. They've, they've gotten a glimpse. They've gotten a glimpse, but um, bullets really don't start flying until you fucking pop that ball out and fuck, until you roll the balls out in training camp and uh, really dial this thing in and find our 53 man roster.

• 18:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. Trey Smith quoted as saying, get it together or he'll get you together.

• 18:08Travis Kelce?

  Love, I fucking love it, man. God, it's good to have my guy back in the building, man. Fuck, I can't wait till he mother fucks me, man.

• 18:20Travis Kelce?

  I'm like EB, it's me, your boy. Come on, baby, it's me.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  We're in this together.

• 18:24Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. My name's Travis, not motherfucker.

• 18:29Travis Kelce?

  Pat also said that first meeting had me ready to run through a brick wall. Um, it had me ready to go. And that's the thing, man. When you have a guy like Coach EB in the building, man, it's just, you know, every single meeting, you got a little bit more, you know, alertness, because if he calls on you, which he will call on you, um, you know, you, you better be ready or have something to say, man. So it's, it's awesome, man. And I, I've talked to him briefly on a, on a number of occasions and um, he knows how much I'm, I'm really, I'm ready to run through a wall for him this year. And I think everybody's starting to really feel that in the building.

• 19:03Speaker 02

  I do love OTAs for that. Like, I feel like OTAs, there's like a, especially when you've made all these offseason adjustments, it's the first time you get around each other to see how it's all coming together. And obviously, these guys are excited to have EB back and all that. But I mean, every team's excited this time of the year. Every team feels like they just made a bunch of moves that's gonna help them get. Jordan Malata had a great quote about Shawn Mannion yesterday. He said, if I was going to make the list of the top three smartest people in the Philadelphia organization, they'd all be Shawn Mannion.

• 19:36Travis Kelce?

  Hey, nice.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  I always take a little bit of OTAs with a grain of salt because obviously everybody's excited. We'll really see how it goes, but it is fun when, when you're back there and you're, and you're doing things and you're, you're doing new stuff that you really feel confident about. It's a fun time to be a football player in the NFL. You're seeing new draft picks and guys to first finally step on the field with veteran players for the first time. OTAs are always full of a lot of juice and energy.

• 20:06Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah, baby.

• 20:07Speaker 02

  We also have a New Heights Olakai collab. Travis, are you aware?

• 20:11Travis Kelce?

  What? Listen, I got the Olakai box. I got it right here, but I did not know he was a New Heights collab.

• 20:18Speaker 02

  Ooh, these are specific sandals. Everybody knows I'm a sandals flip flops guy. They set us up with some exclusive New Heights flip flops. We're unboxing for the first time.

• 20:33Travis Kelce?

  What do you got?

• 20:34Speaker 02

  Dude, these are their official New Heights line. They got stitching like their football.

• 20:39Travis Kelce?

  Look at the grips on these fucking things. Holy shit.

• 20:43Speaker 02

  Olakai does not skip, man. They do it right.

• 20:46Travis Kelce?

  This, this is premium leather right here. This is nice.

• 20:50Speaker 02

  Stitching, New Heights equipment right there. If you want sandals, you want the best sandals in the game.

• 20:55Travis Kelce?

  Oh, God.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  I've tried a lot of flip flops out. I've been down that rabbit hole.

• 21:00Travis Kelce?

  Down that rabbit hole.

• 21:01Speaker 02

  Olakai, American company out there on the Hawaiian islands. They do a fantastic job and I think they nailed it with this design. Football fans will be happy. They got the stitching like it's a football. They got the freaking football in the heel. And if you're a fan of New Heights, they also got New Heights written on it. So that's

• 21:20Travis Kelce?

  I know.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  And

• 21:22Travis Kelce?

  No, this is sweet. These are awesome, man.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  As always, they got the Oli Kai quality, which is my favorite part.

• 21:27Travis Kelce?

  And the quality is just so fucking good, man. This thing, this thing right here, this is why I always hated the, the thong sandals is because heavy guys.

• 21:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, they rip them out.

• 21:38Travis Kelce?

  They just fucking snap. These things aren't fucking going anywhere. You can tell that thing is in there.

• 21:44Speaker 02

  And the other thing, most thong sandals are flat. What I like about these is that it's contoured for your actual foot. So it feels good on your arch. It actually has some structure on the bottom. So the down, one of the downsides of wearing flip flops a lot of time is that you don't have any support at all for your feet. You're walking on like shitty foam, but here you're walking on something that's really been thoughtful in how they design it. And, uh, support your foot, even though there's nothing else around it.

• 22:13Speaker 04

  Oh, show them your signature. Show them your signatures on the side of the shoe. That's pretty cool. If you look at the inside of the shoe, show them that. That's fun.

• 22:21Travis Kelce?

  Oh, shit.

• 22:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, you sign these bad boys.

• 22:25Travis Kelce?

  Look at that right there. Nice gold.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:30Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 22:30Speaker 02

  Got T Kelce eighty seven on this side.

• 22:33Speaker 04

  They also, every little box comes with one of these bad boys.

• 22:37Speaker 04

  It's going right on the fridge.

• 22:41Speaker 04

  Look at that man.

• 22:42Travis Kelce?

  Wait, let me see. Where's my?

• 22:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, you got a little Jason in there.

• 22:46Speaker 02

  That's that game day outfit for, by Jason Kelce right there.

• 22:48Speaker 04

  Jason, you're getting a spot on the shelf.

• 22:50Speaker 02

  They also are dressier. They're dressier. So if you want to wear them with a pair of pants, like it's good, they're still going to look good.

• 22:57Speaker 04

  You're going to Red Carver from here. You got them.

• 22:59Travis Kelce?

  I got a free.

• 23:00Speaker 02

  I actually wore, when I was nominated for the, uh,

• 23:05Speaker 02

  Walter Payton man of the year. I had old guy sandals on the field in my full suit.

• 23:10Travis Kelce?

  You would have thought this guy grew up on the island. Jesus.

• 23:13Speaker 02

  I mean, I wish. Hawaii is so awesome.

• 23:16Travis Kelce?

  Gosh, I want to go back.

• 23:18Speaker 02

  You can get these at a kelceclubhouse.com. I believe they are available now. I would presume, otherwise they probably wouldn't have us talking about them on the show.

• 23:28Travis Kelce?

  Available now.

• 23:30Speaker 02

  You will not regret it. This is the best sandal flip flop ever put on. I've tried a bunch of different brands.

• 23:35Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:35Speaker 02

  And.

• 23:36Travis Kelce?

  And with summer coming around, come on now, baby. Get those toes out in the sun.

• 23:39Speaker 02

  And obviously, if you're a New Heights fan, you're going to want the collab. But if you're not into the collab, they still have great products at Ola Kai. You'll like, they have something for you. I guarantee it. Quick reminder, before we get to the rest of the show, tickets are almost gone for our show.

• 23:52Travis Kelce?

  Oh, they're almost gone.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  For our live show at the Orpheum on June 15th. Can't tell you who the guests are yet. We, I mean.

• 24:01Travis Kelce?

  Listen, the, the one we got, I could sell the stadium out by himself. So.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  It is very true. That is very true. Guaranteed to get the people going. And the last chance to send in your submission for the fourth annual Beer Bowl on Thursday, June 25th in Seattle. That's right. Entry is officially closed on June 10th. We will reach out that week to let teams know if you are included and have been accepted. Again, we're doing a bigger and better than ever. Very excited about Beer Bowl and all the festivities that week. We're going to have a 300, I think I can announce, we're going to have a 250 gallon fish tank that holds beer at, not at Beer Bowl, but at the event before on Wednesday.

• 24:42Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  And if all the beer gets drank, $100,000 going to the charity. That's right.

• 24:46Travis Kelce?

  Oh, our book, No Dumb Questions is also available now. That's right. Check it out and put it in a bathroom near you. It's a great shitter read. Available on Amazon, Kelsey Clubhouse, as well as all things Kelce, or wherever you get your books. That's right. We're also on audio.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  It's also fun rereading some of the dumbass shit we've said. Question from a 92%er, no via the Heights hotline. What's up, fellas? I'm a Lions fan, but I love the show. I'm 18, so I'm not a parent. But I was going to ask what advice you would give to a parent that wants to teach their kid how to be better at golf? I'm just, I'm really, I'm really bad at golf, guys, and I know I need help. I need you to help, so please help me. All right, what did we say? Did you say I'm 18, so I'm not a parent? What the fuck does that mean? This is hilarious reading.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  Such a weird way to ask us to help him with his golf game. Hey, I'm no, I'm 18, so I'm not a parent. And I'm like, oh, what the fuck? Where are we going with this?

• 25:52Travis Kelce?

  Man, the more that I look at every page, because I'm not reading, the more I'm just like, I am saying the most minimal things in your paragraphs. You just have these rants.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  No, dude, you got, you got the biggest, you got the biggest part of this golf one. I said my number one thing.

• 26:08Speaker 04

  This is the best, Travis.

• 26:10Travis Kelce?

  I can't read.

• 26:11Speaker 04

  You gotta have a good relationship with the person squirting Travis Kelce.

• 26:21Speaker 02

  Squirt squad.

• 26:24Travis Kelce?

  Squirt squad.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  That's gonna do well.

• 26:26Travis Kelce?

  And finally, no new episode next week. Just taking a quick bye week before our live show in Los Angeles. Just want to make sure we, you know, dot our i's and cross our t's and make sure that that show is the best thing ever. So we'll miss you guys for a week, but we'll be right back at it after that. And that's it for new news brought to you by American Express.

• 26:49Speaker 02

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• 26:53Travis Kelce?

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• 27:04Speaker 02

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• 27:15Travis Kelce?

  Winners may pick up their prize cars at an enterprise or an enterprise car sales location on a corner near them.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  With over 1,000 corner kicks expected, that's a lot of potential goals and a lot of cars. And at this rate, we're convinced enterprise found an infinite car glitch.

• 27:33Travis Kelce?

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• 27:40Speaker 04

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• 27:57Speaker 02

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• 28:00Travis Kelce?

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• 28:09Speaker 02

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• 28:16Travis Kelce?

  Because when you're a card member, the airport doesn't feel like the airport. It feels like part one of the vacation.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  Talking about the lounges?

• 28:25Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, the lounges because with Amex Platinum, you can enjoy access to the largest global lounge network compared to other credit card companies as of July 2025.

• 28:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, it makes sense. You stroll in, find a peaceful place to relax and enjoy a spot to recharge, giving you travel confidence you need through comfort.

• 28:44Travis Kelce?

  All right. Now with premium travel benefits and award winning services, there's nothing like Platinum.

• 28:50Speaker 02

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• 28:57Travis Kelce?

  The FIFA World Cup 2026 is here. Games every single day and the best seat to keep up with all the action is right in your own backyard.

• 29:09Speaker 02

  Big screen outside, grill going, neighbors and friends coming over to watch. Now that's how you host.

• 29:14Travis Kelce?

  And as an official supporter of the FIFA World Cup 2026, The Home Depot's got what you need to get the backyard match day ready.

• 29:25Speaker 02

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• 29:34Travis Kelce?

  God, it's making me want to barbecue right now. And with fast, free delivery on over 2 million items, you can focus on setting up the ultimate backyard fan zone instead of making trips to the store.

• 29:47Speaker 02

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• 29:53Travis Kelce?

  To learn more, visit homedepot.com/fifa world cup 26. All right, now let's get to a little bit of that out of the house brought to you by Home Depot. Jason, another golf tournament.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  That's right. That's right. Third, third foundation, B Philly underdog golf outing. It was awesome, man. It's we've second year. We've done it now. Rolling Green, Rolling Green have been great hosts and very kind of us to let us use their facilities and beautiful golf course to throw this thing. I mean, we had a lot of fun this year, you know, obviously ton of people bought foursomes to support B Philly, got some great sponsorship. Toyota was a presenting sponsor. Shout out to them for really shelling out and making this thing really raise a lot of money for some charities and some families in the Philadelphia area and some kids.

• 30:45Travis Kelce?

  Fuck, yeah.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  It was a lot of fun. As, as I mean, you put a bunch of fun people on a golf course, you're gonna have some fun.

• 30:53Travis Kelce?

  Right now.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  When you pair that up with Chris Lilly and award winning barbecue guy, my, my guy, Chris making that thing. So he's the big Bob Gibson's down in Decatur, Alabama, home of the Alabama white sauce. He came up and was making some chicken wings on hole three, the par three.

• 31:10Travis Kelce?

  Oh, man.

• 31:11Speaker 02

  He made some brisket and some ribs the entire day, smoking those things.

• 31:16Travis Kelce?

  Man, sometimes, sometimes those, the grease from those wings can get on the hands, though. So you gotta have.

• 31:22Speaker 02

  It was not the best.

• 31:23Travis Kelce?

  You gotta have.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  I definitely made sure to hit my tee shot first. So I cannot blame that for my errant par three shot. But no, Chris Lilly came down on behalf of Kings. So we had a lot of support as well as we had an Elvis impersonator rolling around. The king was there. The king was there. We had, we had a mariachi band that played on one of the par threes as well as hung around playing after the day. So dude, we, we had a complete blast.

• 31:56Speaker 02

  Our foundation and our entire team, it was a whole hands-on event to pull this off. So it was, it was awesome, man.

• 32:04Travis Kelce?

  I fucking love it. Well, did, uh, did I hear the Philly Santa get hit, get hit with a golf ball?

• 32:10Speaker 02

  I mean, he was acting it up a bit, but we, so we have a whole, we have a heckling hole. That's one thing we've done the last three years. One of the reasons I wanted that, I wanted everybody at the event to feel what it feels like to be a Philadelphia athlete. Right? To feel how passionate somebody can be talking crap to you while you're trying to do a job. So we, uh, we put hecklers on one of the holes, our third year doing it. And, uh, my guys did not disappoint. Some of the best Philadelphia Eagles fans and really Philadelphia sports fans around. My guy Dunphy, you, you notice him.

• 32:44Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:45Speaker 02

  With the big old.

• 32:46Travis Kelce?

  You'd notice.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  The big old fanatic around the belly button, you know, maniac Malloy. I mean, I can't list all these guys because I mean, it'd be too much, but they come out every year, uh, in support. So shout out to all those guys and Santa, who's also one of the biggest fundraisers for Eagles Autism Foundation this year. So Santa's been doing some giving, uh, but yeah, he had a, we had some exploding golf balls and he made it look like it hit him in the eye.

• 33:10Travis Kelce?

  Oh, we got a video. The exploding golf ball.

• 33:15Speaker 02

  So if you keep playing that, I was on the hole over and I saw Santa go down. So I administered CPR.

• 33:25Travis Kelce?

  You saved Santa.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  I, I think I actually almost broke his ribs.

• 33:30Travis Kelce?

  I mean, if you're doing it right.

• 33:32Speaker 02

  No, we, we had a blast, man. Uh, we had some outstanding celebrities there. We had, uh, you know, Coach Wright, we had Phillies there, we had Flyers there, we had former Eagles teammates of mine. I mean, it was, it was an awesome, awesome day. Uh, we raised a lot of money. So, uh, shout out to everybody that participated. Thanks for coming.

• 33:49Travis Kelce?

  Got the swag bucket, the swag bag bucket.

• 33:52Speaker 02

  Yep, that's right. Swag bag bucket. We had some, some, some takeaways. Little Tom Coy recently wrote a book, some Hank sauce, Hank sauce, hot sauce. That's right. That's right. That's right. Some golf balls. Yeah. I mean, some standard things.

• 34:05Travis Kelce?

  What about this, this beer cart, dude?

• 34:08Speaker 02

  Oh, so we, Garage Beer had a bunch of these made. I got one in the garage.

• 34:11Travis Kelce?

  Dude, you have one of these at the house?

• 34:13Speaker 02

  I do. Dude, it's fucking awesome. We need to get you one. As, as a fellow employee of Garage Beer, we need to get you one.

• 34:20Travis Kelce?

  Dude, this is so fucking epic.

• 34:22Speaker 02

  Dude, they're fucking awesome. They're fast as shit too.

• 34:25Travis Kelce?

  Well, I don't want it to be going too fast. How fast is this thing going?

• 34:28Speaker 02

  I mean, not like.

• 34:29Travis Kelce?

  Like they're getting up to 15, probably 12, 15 miles an hour.

• 34:33Speaker 02

  You're probably somewhere between 20 and 25.

• 34:35Travis Kelce?

  Oh, shit. You better put on a helmet, boys.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 34:39Travis Kelce?

  We're gonna be drinking within that cooler.

• 34:41Speaker 02

  I want to do a, I want to take it down to the beach and ride around, but I'm nervous. I'm gonna get a ticket riding around a cooler with freaking, uh, uh, electric motors on it, but.

• 34:51Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Well, as long as you're not drinking the beers, I think you'll be all right.

• 34:54Speaker 02

  I mean, how, how much is the ticket?

• 34:56Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Yeah. You can pay those things, right?

• 34:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. Your, your license is suspended, Jason. Okay, perfect. I'm gonna.

• 35:01Travis Kelce?

  Okay. All right.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  That's to quite the inconvenience.

• 35:05Travis Kelce?

  Well, it looked like a fucking awesome time.

• 35:07Speaker 02

  It was great. Kai was killing the ball. Kai's team came in second.

• 35:10Travis Kelce?

  Really?

• 35:11Speaker 02

  Dude, I think, I think having a woman is kind of cheating because you get it. You get a tee shot up there.

• 35:16Travis Kelce?

  Jason.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  For a scramble.

• 35:18Travis Kelce?

  No.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  No?

• 35:20Travis Kelce?

  It's no, uh, don't do that.

• 35:24Speaker 02

  I mean, Kai, when she hits it well, it's going like over 200 yards and she's teeing off from the red.

• 35:30Travis Kelce?

  I believe it. I believe it. You're right. You might need to make a rule next year that Kai doesn't get to go for the red tee.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  I mean, we also had a woman on our team and she was doing some great tee shots. It did, we also struggled, but anyways.

• 35:48Travis Kelce?

  I love it, man. Shout out to B Philly. Um, everybody that participated, man, looks absolutely electric and, uh, can't wait for next year, man. I gotta find my way to get up there and get a piece of this action. All right now, that does it for Out of the House. Brought to you by Home Depot. Home Depot has everything you need, right?

• 36:04Speaker 02

  They do. All right. And we're gonna get to our interview with Caleb Williams. You're gonna want to check this one out. Um, this conversation is brought to you by Mentos Gum, so say yes to fresh.

• 36:15Travis Kelce?

  I always say yes to fresh. Let's hear what Caleb has to talk about.

• 36:19Speaker 02

  Our guest today is the six foot one quarterback from the University of Southern California.

• 36:25Travis Kelce?

  USC.

• 36:25Speaker 02

  He's the 2022 Heisman winner, the number one draft pick in the 2024 NFL draft, back to back winner of GQ's most stylish football player. I didn't know that. Way to go. Okay. Last year, he also broke the record for most passing yards in a single season for the Bears. Ninety-two percenters. Please welcome Caleb Williams.

• 36:45Travis Kelce?

  Yes, sir.

• 36:46Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 36:48Travis Kelce?

  Welcome to New Heights, big dog.

• 36:50Speaker 02

  Dude, GQ's most stylish football player. That's a heck of an award right there.

• 36:55Speaker 03

  Ever since you retired, I've, you know, I've kept them for you.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  There we go. There we go.

• 37:02Travis Kelce?

  Let's go. You have a stylist?

• 37:04Speaker 03

  No, all me. All me, man. I enjoy it. I enjoy it. Yeah, I enjoy the fashion part of it throughout the, you know, towards the end of the week when, when the plays start dying down, as y'all know.

• 37:17Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah. Are you like a creative? You'll, you'll throw it together last minute or?

• 37:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, I throw, I throw it together probably, probably the day before we have to leave, day before.

• 37:25Travis Kelce?

  Smart man. Yeah. There, there have been times where I'm just sitting there. I know the bus is about to leave in an hour.

• 37:30Speaker 03

  What do I need?

• 37:34Travis Kelce?

  To start grabbing shit that you don't even know fits. Fuck.

• 37:37Speaker 03

  I'm a day before. I'm a day before kind of guy. And then I pack my bag and bring it to the, bring it to facility. So I can't go back.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. There you go.

• 37:45Travis Kelce?

  Well, we're in the off season, brother. I know you're probably back in Chicago in the beautiful spring, summer of Chicago, man. The Midwest, baby, doesn't get any better. How, how's everything going? How's the team looking? How's, how's the vibes in the facility?

• 38:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're high. We're excited. It's a lot better coming back and you know the plays and you got an idea of the plays rather than obviously having, having the coach that we have and, you know, how, how tough he is and then how much he expects, especially the first year, you know, going to training camp. He expected us to know it like, like we've been in the offense for two, three years already. So it's nice. It's nice being back. It's nice being with the boys. Couldn't, couldn't wish and, and hope for any better weather than we've. Been having so I'm excited. Yeah, I'm excited. Side town right now is booming.

• 38:33Speaker 02

  You just said second season with Ben Johnson and to me watching it, it just looks complicated.

• 38:40Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 38:40Speaker 02

  Is there a major advantage to now having all that under your, you know, in your repertoire for a full year and kind of not starting from, you know, nothing?

• 38:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, no, no, there definitely is. I mean, like him and I, like we, we meet every day. We, we, you know, we go up and I meet in his office and we hang out and laugh, joke, we, we talk about ball and things like that, but being able to get the call like right as of right now, like we're not, we're not really installing like full plays and things like that. We're more route details and

• 39:10Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, rookies just got there. Yeah.

• 39:12Speaker 03

  The basic things that, that, that obviously help you win. Um, so the, so the small things and so, but we're still doing like perfect plays. We got the perfect play thing going on right now and

• 39:23Speaker 03

  we're going out there, we're, we're calling plays and, and we're getting in and out of huddle. We're lining up, we're getting to the ball fast. We're, we're, you know, going through checks and all these different things. And, you know, last year at this time, we, we could barely spit out a call.

• 39:35Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, right.

• 39:36Speaker 03

  And so, and so now it's, it's, uh, it's been a lot more fun for me per se, uh, to be able to be in this position. And then, and then also I get to

• 39:46Speaker 03

  be in a role that I haven't necessarily been in, uh, my first two years, um, you know, new coaches, both years, new offenses, the comfort level, uh, but also being able to go out there and play and win ballgames where it was important. And so I've been able to step into a little different role has been, been exciting for me.

• 40:03Travis Kelce?

  That's awesome, man. Yeah. You fucking took it over, man. That shit was so fun to watch last year. I know exactly what you're talking about. Uh, in terms of just getting a new playbook kind of thrown at you in a, in a different way though, because my entire career, I've been with Coach Reed and the playbook and the terminology has been there. But I had one Pro Bowl where I had to learn another offense in a week.

• 40:22Speaker 03

  Dude, I

• 40:23Travis Kelce?

  And when I tell you, I was out there fucking running, like a lot of people think I just run routes, just like not what's called. I literally was out there doing my own fucking thing. Mac Jones is out there trying to fucking throw daggers to me and I'm running go routes.

• 40:40Speaker 03

  The gritty of Dallas film, Mac Jones.

• 40:44Travis Kelce?

  So funny, man, but that shit's fucking, that shit's tough, man.

• 40:47Speaker 03

  It's tough.

• 40:47Travis Kelce?

  The terminology is crazy and especially when you're young, man, I can only imagine. But you fucking perfected it, dog.

• 40:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, appreciate that. We got, we got a lot more coming and I'm excited about it. But it's, it's, uh, it's coming together. The guys are moving, you know, the, and, and, you know, outside at least, you know, wide receivers, tight ends and running backs, they're, they're flying around.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  Well, Joe Tooney's not flying around? Do I got anything to get on Joe?

• 41:10Travis Kelce?

  Joe's always flying.

• 41:12Speaker 03

  Joe's always flying, baby.

• 41:16Travis Kelce?

  Ohio ball player.

• 41:18Speaker 02

  On a more serious note, you guys had so much success in year one with Ben.

• 41:21Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 41:22Speaker 02

  What is the focus now for year two, right? Like what is, what is the offense? What is, what are the things you guys feel like you need to get better at?

• 41:29Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 41:30Speaker 02

  To take that next step?

• 41:31Speaker 03

  It's, it's something, you know, you're, you're so frustrated and at, at this process now, you're obviously going back and, you know, watching the tape and, you know, you get clips that pop up, whether it's a miss, you know, a missed pass, you know, a drop pass or, um, you know, the run, like we're not hitting the run how we want to. And, um, I think that falls under the first year, like impression, the first year, like in the offense, the first year, you know, first year of it. And, you know, you go back and you're watching, it's like, why did I do that? It was so stupid.

• 41:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 41:58Speaker 03

  Like, how did I miss this pass? It was, it was, or how did I not see this? Or why, you know, same, same thing for wide receivers, running backs and, and everybody else. Uh, first year in the offense, it's, it's, uh, it's more frustration. And then you realize like it's our first year, obviously, you know, that year's over and, and, and, you know, we did a solid job, but there's, there's so much more left on the plate and you're so excited about that part of it and that process coming back and, and figuring it all out. So, um, I think that's the, the process that we're in now and, you know, being able to go back and, and be frustrated about it, um, but not too frustrated, obviously, because it's, it's in the past. We can't do anything, but, you know, being able to try and change. And be different from the year before and be better.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  I thought your transformation in particular, and especially end of the game, I mean, I, some of the most, well, you've always done it your whole career is make these insane plays down the field, but

• 42:45Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  You know, in Philly this year, they're talking about Jalen being more under center and like how that offense and the motions and everything is going to change. For you, what was that process like? And how long did it take you to feel natural doing this new system?

• 42:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, you, you obviously get to a comfort level throughout camp and then you get into a game and it's like, fuck, okay, this is a little different. You got obviously different bodies flying around, different checks, different alerts, different, you know, hand signals and all these different things that, um, that apply for just that week. And so, um, been in this offense and a bunch of motions, a bunch of shifts, we shifts in motion. I mean, every play.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  Every, yeah, for sure.

• 43:24Speaker 03

  Like every play, it's, yeah, you have to, it's, it's a positive for us. Um, and, and so, uh, been able to obtain all of that and get into all of that. I would say honestly, it probably took, uh, that Vikings game or that, that after the second game to kind of get in the same page with Ben. And then from there, I, you know, the confidence from of myself started growing. And then I think that's where it started taking off. And people started seeing some of the, some of the things that, you know, I can do and we can do.

• 43:48Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Well, fun as hell to watch. I know that. I can't wait to watch year two.

• 43:53Speaker 03

  I'm juiced to get back.

• 43:54Travis Kelce?

  The play that's in my head right now is that I think it was a, it was a fourth, fourth down play in the playoffs and you were rolling left. And somehow you fucking got your upper body to square up and your legs are still, your hips, everything else is like pointed towards the sidelines. It's so fucking fun to watch. Did you, did you play like baseball growing up or what? Like, did you play other sports? It was always football or?

• 44:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. So I, so my second sport is swimming. It's my second sport.

• 44:20Speaker 02

  Okay. Would not have pegged that, would not have pegged you for a swimmer. Okay. All right.

• 44:24Speaker 03

  Yep, yep.

• 44:24Speaker 02

  How does that help you throw?

• 44:26Speaker 03

  So all the, all the power and, and rotation and things like that.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:30Speaker 03

  From the legs, you obviously build a bunch of, a bunch of strength to the legs, but also just the rotation and, um, the strength, uh, from upper body also.

• 44:37Travis Kelce?

  You got the, you got the double joints and shoulders and shit or what?

• 44:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. Not fully double jointed, but I got my shoulders. I got a lot of, a lot of room.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  Were you freestyle? Time out. Were you freestyle breaststroke? What were you?

• 44:47Speaker 03

  Backstroke, freestyle, IM and relay.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh.

• 44:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  Doing all of it. All right.

• 44:52Speaker 03

  Doing all of it. I was doing all of it. Um, but then I played other sports, soccer, uh, hand eye and things like that, being able to move and um, uh, uh, uh, what else have I played? Swam, soccer, a little bit of basketball. That was when I was younger. I'm not, I'm not as good now. Uh, as, as we saw a couple of other sports, but no, never played baseball. I don't, and I don't know how I got all the funky throws. I think it's from swimming, just being able to have the strength in the shoulder, but um, yeah, no baseball.

• 45:22Travis Kelce?

  Just playing backyard ball, baby.

• 45:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, backyard ball, jackpot and, and, and running away from, you know, all my friends that were older than me.

• 45:28Travis Kelce?

  I know it far too well.

• 45:30Speaker 02

  You develop a lot of skills doing that.

• 45:31Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 45:32Travis Kelce?

  I saw you not too long ago out in LA, but I, I, I really wanted to talk to you about, uh, the tight end room that you got, man. It's, it's one of my favorites in the, in the entire NFL. You got two absolute dogs.

• 45:44Speaker 03

  I got a third one now. Y'all haven't seen.

• 45:46Travis Kelce?

  Third one now?

• 45:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 45:47Travis Kelce?

  There's more, there's more, there's more. I know, I know Ben Johnson's having a blast with this shit.

• 45:53Speaker 03

  There's always more. There's always more. Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We got a, we got a new guy, new rookie guy. He's built like the other guys also. Uh, tall. Uh, he's, he's smooth. He's, you know, he's a freak of nature. Um, run, block, pass, pass, block, catch, all of that. So.

• 46:08Travis Kelce?

  Whatever you need.

• 46:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, whatever we need. And we got three of those now. So, uh, we're juiced. I'm juiced. Um, it's always an advantage when you can have one tight end, uh, but when you have three that can do all, you know, it's, it's a big advantage and, and, and, and up to us. So I'm excited. I know we're, I know, over here in the bear side of town, we're really excited. So it's gonna be fun.

• 46:28Travis Kelce?

  Fuck yeah.

• 46:29Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:29Travis Kelce?

  Man alive, dawg. There's nothing better than getting out there in a little 13 personnel.

• 46:33Speaker 03

  Nothing better. And then you, and then you shift out.

• 46:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, we spread it out. Let's spread this out.

• 46:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  It, it does feel like most of the really, um, I'm trying to think, dynamic offenses utilize tight ends.

• 46:46Speaker 03

  Tom, Peyton, obviously, you know, he's still going, but Trav and, and Pat and, you know, all these, all these other guys that, that have, that have come up, Joe and, you know, all these, all these other guys. So, um, you know, I think, uh, I think, I think we got some good going over here. I got three of them, like I said, so I got. I got I'm uh I'm very lucky.

• 47:06Speaker 02

  Well, what do you think from your perspective as a quarterback? What do you like about having the tight ends that you have? Like, what do what do they present in terms of challenges for the defense? And what do they give advantages for you guys?

• 47:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, advantage wise, I mean, we can we can drop back and put those guys in protection.

• 47:25Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 47:26Speaker 03

  We can also go 13 personnel and then shift out, you know, they getting their big, heavy personnel defense and guys that don't cover as well, guys that aren't, you know, cover guys or whatever case may be and, you know, we we pop out and shift out and we got guys that can run and and run well and, you know, obviously catch well. So, um, that's a that's a that's a big up for us, big advantage for us. And we end up doing that in a big moment last year in the playoffs. So.

• 47:50Travis Kelce?

  A bunch of big moments, man. Hell, yeah.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. So, um, you know, obviously Colston popped up a few times and those cold pops up. Um, and big moments, you know, I mean, Vikings game, I think the first time Vikings game hit them for a 25 yard pass down the right seam and and obviously made a great catch for me. Yeah. Big, big, big catch. So, you know, we we got we got some guys and, you know, I think I think obviously having been, you know, at the helm is, uh, you know, he's going to cook up this year with with having those guys.

• 48:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, you were just saying you meet with them all the time.

• 48:21Speaker 03

  No, we meet. We meet every day.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  Are you drawing up trick plays yet? When when one of the, yeah.

• 48:25Speaker 03

  We talk, we talk about plays every day.

• 48:29Speaker 03

  We talk, we talk about plays and and how we can, you know, make the plays better, how we can read them better. We're always trying to find more explosives. I know probably Andy does the same thing, trying to always find more explosives, like even in the base plays, like, how can we fix maybe one route that that changes the whole thing, but, um, it it becomes maybe a base play for us, but it's super explosive, super efficient. And and that's always what Ben is looking for.

• 48:53Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, always looking for the the little things that you can make it like, make a play feel more new and

• 48:59Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 49:00Travis Kelce?

  and and be just a little bit more that a that a team, you know, is unfamiliar with, man.

• 49:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:05Travis Kelce?

  I I every single offseason, I'll I'll go up, say what's up to Coach Reed in his office and he's just got index cards. Just stacks and stacks of index.

• 49:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, I walk him into Ben's office sometimes and it's just this board and his desk is just filled with papers. Board is filled with different drawings and things like that.

• 49:23Travis Kelce?

  Madness, man.

• 49:24Speaker 03

  Madness, madness.

• 49:25Travis Kelce?

  We just got the schedule a couple of weeks ago Eagles week three.

• 49:29Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:30Travis Kelce?

  Monday night football, baby.

• 49:33Speaker 03

  Monday night. We got a bunch of prime time.

• 49:35Travis Kelce?

  Thanksgiving against the Lions.

• 49:38Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:38Travis Kelce?

  I'll be sharing that day with you as well and Christmas Day, baby.

• 49:42Speaker 03

  Are you Christmas Day or Christmas Eve?

• 49:44Travis Kelce?

  Fucking love it, man. We're gonna be practicing either day.

• 49:49Travis Kelce?

  I'd rather be.

• 49:50Speaker 03

  I'd rather be playing the actual game. Okay, okay, yeah, same here. Yeah, man, we got a bunch of prime times, prime time games and, you know, so called the, you know, the hardest schedule. We had the second hardest last year, so we're excited.

• 50:08Speaker 03

  We don't back down from no challenge.

• 50:09Travis Kelce?

  Hell, yeah.

• 50:10Speaker 03

  And so, you know, we want everybody to know that going to the playoffs and things like that is in our, in our, in our future and, you know, in our, in our present future and, and, and future coming up and it's gonna be a consistent thing for us, but obviously we gotta do the right things to put ourselves in those positions. And so, starts now and then it finishes in February. So, you know, we're excited about, about all the opportunities coming up and as Deion says, it's prime, baby.

• 50:40Travis Kelce?

  Shout out to prime time.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  That NFC North, man, is gonna be a lot of prime time. It is loaded.

• 50:45Speaker 03

  It is loaded.

• 50:46Travis Kelce?

  That comes with having one of the toughest schedules is that you got, what, six games right there, yeah.

• 50:52Speaker 03

  Yep, yep. So, I think it's gonna be really fun, honestly. Being able to bring that type of energy, prime, you know, prime time games to Chicago or wherever we're gonna be. I think it's, you know, that, that energy is, is gonna be really infectious and we gotta, we gotta make sure we use it the right way.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  All right, well, can we walk through some of your plays from this past year? We got at least one clip, although we just deleted it, so I don't know if we, do we have time, Brandon? I'm assuming we have time. All right, we're gonna go through some of the most insane throws from last season.

• 51:22Speaker 03

  My throws or just overall?

• 51:24Speaker 02

  No, no, this is all you, baby. Well, they, they happen to be your throws. I think they are overall.

• 51:28Travis Kelce?

  Some of the best.

• 51:30Speaker 02

  This is the game.

• 51:33Speaker 02

  DJ.

• 51:34Travis Kelce?

  Top, baby. For the dub. Oh, we got just a compilation of them.

• 51:40Speaker 02

  Just chuck it up.

• 51:44Speaker 02

  Just chuck it up. Hold on though. What, what's the corner doing here? How, how, what's, do you sit back and you look at sometimes the reaction?

• 51:52Speaker 03

  I actually saw who was on Cole. I got, when I flipped around, I created enough space to where when I flipped around, I saw probably 10 people to the right. And I saw just Cole and 14 to the left and 14 is a, is a smaller guy and obviously Cole is 6'5" to.

• 52:06Travis Kelce?

  One of the biggest dudes on the fucking field.

• 52:08Speaker 03

  260 and they were near the front, front end zone. So my whole thing is just try and put this ball in the back end zone. And it's our best shot to try and, you know, make a play and, and, and make it easy on him. So end up being able to create enough space, get enough leg power into it and, and, uh, you know, just put the ball up in the back of the end zone like Cole did the rest.

• 52:26Travis Kelce?

  History.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  I have no idea how you got enough on that one. Retreating like that, that was crazy.

• 52:32Travis Kelce?

  In the, in the cold, man, are you kidding me, Doc? Have you ever felt Soldier Field that electric since you've been playing there?

• 52:43Travis Kelce?

  That place went nuts.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  Not even this play. The national anthem was the most electric national anthem I've ever been a part of. It was like the whole city came together. It was insane.

• 52:56Travis Kelce?

  I fucking love it, man.

• 52:57Speaker 02

  This is personally my favorite throw of yours from last season. This one was outrageous.

• 53:02Speaker 03

  The NJ play that everybody talks about on my legs or Air Jordan or whatever it was.

• 53:09Speaker 02

  Like.

• 53:10Travis Kelce?

  Drops it in the fucking bucket.

• 53:11Speaker 02

  Dropping a dime, rolling to the left. That was dope.

• 53:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was pretty fun.

• 53:15Speaker 02

  What's the next one?

• 53:16Travis Kelce?

  Little Cleveland action.

• 53:18Speaker 02

  Browns. We had to put a Browns highlight in here.

• 53:19Travis Kelce?

  A little Cleveland action.

• 53:23Travis Kelce?

  We could watch those all fucking day, man. I'm sure we'll get, we'll get a handful of those this year as well, man.

• 53:28Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:29Speaker 02

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• 53:32Travis Kelce?

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• 53:41Speaker 02

  All right. Yep. I sure do. Like when your brain gets hit on autopilot and you're running on a loop every single day.

• 53:48Travis Kelce?

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• 53:57Speaker 02

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• 54:08Travis Kelce?

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• 54:18Speaker 02

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• 54:26Travis Kelce?

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• 54:32Speaker 02

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• 54:37Travis Kelce?

  Ooh, we're talking hydro massage, red light recovery, the works, baby. It's like a reward for showing up.

• 54:46Speaker 02

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• 54:54Travis Kelce?

  Ooh, that's a lot of locations. Most clubs are open 24 hours, so you can drop in whenever it suits your schedule.

• 55:00Speaker 02

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• 55:06Travis Kelce?

  Join the club today in person, online, or on the free Planet Fitness app at planetfitness.com.

• 55:14Speaker 02

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• 55:20Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Now if I don't stretch, I'm feeling like something's going to pull, walk into the fridge.

• 55:25Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 55:26Travis Kelce?

  Whether it's stretching before a big game, or you know, just hitting the golf course, or yeah, stretching is huge for preventing injuries.

• 55:33Speaker 02

  Exactly. You do a little upfront, you save yourself a big problem later. You know who else is big on prevention?

• 55:40Travis Kelce?

  Who?

• 55:40Speaker 02

  Colgate Total.

• 55:42Travis Kelce?

  Did you just go from like stretching and being an athlete to toothpaste?

• 55:47Speaker 02

  I did, I did. Yes, I did. And it's not just toothpaste, Travis. It's a whole system. Toothpaste, mouthwash, even a special toothbrush.

• 55:54Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, full dental hygiene. Sounds like a whole game plan for your mouth. And the system prevents stuff like cavities.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  That's right. Cavities for sure. And also gingivitis. It helps prevent oral health problems like these before they even start. When you use it twice a day.

• 56:11Travis Kelce?

  Oh, sounds pretty sweet. I'm locked in on this. It's way better to prevent the problem than try to fix it later.

• 56:18Speaker 02

  That's right. And that's exactly what Colgate Total does.

• 56:21Travis Kelce?

  Get Colgate Total on Amazon today.

• 56:26Travis Kelce?

  Let's get into our last segment here, though. We, we gotta ask, you don't have to answer. You can tell us fuck off, but we gotta ask.

• 56:32Speaker 03

  Fuck off.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  And it's over. We'll talk to you guys. Thank you for joining us.

• 56:39Travis Kelce?

  You came into the 2021 Red River game as a freshman.

• 56:43Speaker 03

  Come on, man.

• 56:44Travis Kelce?

  And led the largest comeback in the history of that game. Did you know going into it, you were gonna take that game over? Did you just feel the juices or what?

• 56:52Speaker 03

  I did, I did, I did. Uh, one of my, one of my really close friends, he played there. Um, you know, he's trying out a bunch of teams, Jaleel Farouk. He played there a couple more years. He went to Maryland, things like that. But, um, we were standing on a bench right next to each other on top, standing on top of him, the big old white benches. We're like, turn the ball over. We're getting, you know, whether it's interceptions, fumble, turnover and downs, things like that. And I look over at him. I say, the legend of Caleb begins. And then. I swear. I swear.

• 57:22Speaker 02

  The legend, bro.

• 57:23Speaker 03

  And then I step on the field and then I go for the fourth down run. And I was like, there's no way, because I've been waiting on my moment to like play and, um, things like that. And then I was like, there's no way I'm gonna get tackled. Like I, I will not get tackled here. And I end up breaking it for how many ever yards I ran for. And then, uh, you know, I've ended up finished the game off. We came back and one of the coolest games, coolest moments for me and everything else. So.

• 57:46Travis Kelce?

  Iconic, man.

• 57:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, man. Yeah. I've had, I've been a part of some cool games.

• 57:50Speaker 02

  Freaking Babe Ruth style, calling your shot. All right. Well, let's do this. All right. There was a moment last year that I want to bring up that I thought was just a complete lack of class. I don't know.

• 58:01Speaker 02

  I don't know who takes their shirt off at a football game. But are we gonna get Ben popping his top off more this year? Like, is this a thing that's gonna stay?

• 58:10Travis Kelce?

  Once you do it, you gotta own it.

• 58:12Speaker 03

  Fucking go. You gotta own it. That was a great moment.

• 58:15Travis Kelce?

  We're looking at a photo right now and it's fucking epic.

• 58:18Speaker 03

  It was like pandemonium in the locker room. It was just when he started doing it, we just lost our shit. It was a great moment. It was like, yeah, yeah, look at him.

• 58:27Travis Kelce?

  Everybody's going nuts.

• 58:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm juiced in the back. This is our teammate. He's our EQ and he's just in the middle, just fricking. He's the best, man. But yeah, it was, it was a great moment. It was a great moment. He was, Ben, Ben didn't do it early in the year. Cause he had, he had to lift a little bit more.

• 58:48Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 58:50Speaker 03

  At some point, I started seeing him in the weight room right before we go out to practice, getting a couple of squads, getting a couple, you know, lifts and things like that. And then.

• 58:56Travis Kelce?

  He was working for this moment.

• 58:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, he was working for this moment, for this moment right here.

• 59:00Speaker 02

  I mean, I mean.

• 59:01Speaker 03

  Didn't know it.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  It paid off.

• 59:03Speaker 03

  It paid off. It paid off.

• 59:04Speaker 02

  The striations. I mean, you're seeing striations in veins. It's good.

• 59:09Speaker 03

  He brought, he brought a lot of juice to us. I think this was us going nine and three, I think, or something like that. And it was, it was, uh, it was a good moment being able to obviously, you know, beat, beat such a really good team and organization and things like that. So, um, it was a, it was a, it was a fun moment.

• 59:25Travis Kelce?

  That's fucking awesome.

• 59:26Speaker 02

  Yep. Taking your shirt off is always a, a, an electric thing to do at a football game.

• 59:31Speaker 03

  Always.

• 59:32Travis Kelce?

  What's the best iconic Chicago food? We got deep dish. We got the Chicago dog, a little Italian beef.

• 59:40Speaker 03

  I actually, and I don't know if this is like a iconic thing or whatever, but I just had a Chicago tavern style pizza.

• 59:47Speaker 02

  Tavern style pizza.

• 59:48Speaker 03

  Honestly, the best pizza I've ever had in my life.

• 59:51Travis Kelce?

  Oh shit. You want, you want to shout out the, the pizzeria or?

• 59:55Speaker 03

  Zarella. I don't want to, uh, Zarella. Z A R E L L A, I think is how you spell it. It's insane. It's, it's actually insane.

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  What's the difference between deep dish and tavern style pizza?

• 1:00:05Speaker 03

  Uh, it's thin. They're cutting like squares and then it's, uh, crisp, like the, the, the bottom is like flaky. So it's like a slight crunch when you bite in. So, and it's killer. It's absolutely.

• 1:00:15Travis Kelce?

  I love some good pizza, man.

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  Hell yeah.

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  If you ever found, find yourself in South Side, Chicago, uh, Mr. B's Old Fashioned Donuts, if you're into donuts.

• 1:00:25Speaker 03

  Honestly, I was a, a, a lineman at heart. I just. I didn't get the body, you know?

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  There we go.

• 1:00:33Speaker 03

  You know, so I love food, man. I'll dive into it. What is it again?

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  Mr. B's Old Fashioned Donuts is in South Side.

• 1:00:39Speaker 03

  Mr. B's Old Fashioned.

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  Roseland area.

• 1:00:41Speaker 03

  Roseland area, okay, sweet.

• 1:00:42Speaker 02

  Who gave you the Iceman nickname?

• 1:00:44Speaker 03

  I think it was DJ, DJ Moore. I believe DJ gave it to me and then the boys just ran off with it.

• 1:00:50Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, there we go. Yeah. It's fitting, dog.

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:53Travis Kelce?

  Um, shout out to DJ Moore. Part of the 2024 QB class that includes a record six first round picks.

• 1:01:01Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:01Travis Kelce?

  And everybody is, well, just about everybody's ball.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  You got to the end of it and you.

• 1:01:07Travis Kelce?

  Do you guys keep in touch or is there a group chat between the fellas or nah, it's all competition now?

• 1:01:13Speaker 03

  No, it's cutthroat over here on my side. Yeah.

• 1:01:16Travis Kelce?

  I respect it, man.

• 1:01:17Speaker 03

  We gotta play verse each other at some point. We follow each other and things like that on social media. It's no bad blood or anything like that, but every once in a while, you know, like rare blue moon, we all reach out at some point throughout the time, but nah, it's not, it's not too much communication going on.

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  All right, this next question, you already said you haven't been on a boat. Are you interested in taking the Chicago Architectural Boat Tour?

• 1:01:40Speaker 03

  Dude, I have to. I gotta rent out a boat.

• 1:01:45Speaker 03

  I have to. I've heard about it for the past two, two and a half years, so I gotta, I gotta do it at some point.

• 1:01:51Travis Kelce?

  It's an epic city. It's one of my favorite cities ever, man, and it's so cool that the water is just so fucking beautiful.

• 1:01:58Speaker 03

  It is so beautiful.

• 1:01:59Travis Kelce?

  We grew up in Cleveland with another Great Lake.

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  Beautiful water.

• 1:02:04Travis Kelce?

  It is the best beaches in the Midwest, but there's something about Lake Michigan in Chicago that's just fucking magical in its own right, man.

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  One thing I always liked about Chicago is it feels like Chicago, of all the cities in the Midwest, was built around the water.

• 1:02:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, we call it, I call it the ocean.

• 1:02:21Speaker 02

  I mean, it kind of feels like big blue.

• 1:02:24Speaker 03

  Big blue.

• 1:02:24Speaker 02

  No sharks, though.

• 1:02:25Speaker 03

  No shark, no sharks, no alligators. So it's the best, honestly, the best lake or best body of water. You could probably be it.

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, um, do you have a welcome to the NFL moment?

• 1:02:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, uh, it was versus Houston, it was versus Houston and their, and their defense.

• 1:02:42Speaker 02

  Really good defense.

• 1:02:43Speaker 03

  Really good defense and, uh, I got tagged up that game a good amount.

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  Which, who was it? Was it, was it?

• 1:02:51Speaker 03

  It was first.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  Was it D'Neil?

• 1:02:52Speaker 03

  Oh, man. He, he swung, I think it may have been like third play of the game. I don't really remember.

• 1:02:58Travis Kelce?

  He got Charlie.

• 1:02:59Speaker 03

  He swung around the corner and smoked. I mean, I went, I mean, I was like a dead body midair though. Like I got hit and I, like everything like flowed.

• 1:03:10Speaker 03

  So that one, that was probably, uh, that one. And then actually the, the Rams, it didn't, it doesn't look like it, but I got smoked. I was running on the right sideline. It was on the two minute drill.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  It was a verse?

• 1:03:21Speaker 03

  No, it was, um, it was 53 land, landman.

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Landman, uh, landman. Yeah.

• 1:03:28Travis Kelce?

  He's throwing his weight around for sure.

• 1:03:31Speaker 03

  He put his helmet right in the middle of my chest and it stopped, it stopped everything. Like I was running forward. We ran right into each other. I was on the sideline and everything stopped, halted me and I went backwards.

• 1:03:41Travis Kelce?

  Getting squared up, man.

• 1:03:42Speaker 03

  You gotta stay away from getting squared up. But my chin strap was like covering my nose. Like it was, I was getting some oxygen. It was ugly. It was ugly.

• 1:03:51Travis Kelce?

  Nothing like just getting absolutely rocked, dog. Well, our last thing is, uh, we got a bit of new news that we want to hit these, uh, the people with, man. You're officially the cover of EA Sports Madden NFL 27.

• 1:04:08Speaker 03

  Frickin' go, man.

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  Speaking of the Jordan.

• 1:04:12Speaker 03

  Like obviously everybody knows the, the Air Jordan, like the sunrise of, of, of him, you know, throwing his, you know, Air Jordan with the skyline behind. I was like, I want to recreate it football, you know, kind of bring it back 30 years later, how many ever years later? So we did that one and, and, and this one obviously had to go in it. This one had to go in it. This was a really cool photo shoot. So appreciate everybody, honestly, um, to, to Madden and EA and all of that. It was really cool shoot. Everybody there was great. Um, they were all easy. Um, they were all pros and, and, and they're, in their realm and respected realm. And so, um, obviously a childhood dream.

• 1:04:49Travis Kelce?

  I was gonna say, where I do you grow up as a gamer or what?

• 1:04:52Speaker 03

  Oh, man, I, I, my game is, my game is right here.

• 1:04:55Travis Kelce?

  Right here.

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  Ready to go, ready to go.

• 1:04:58Speaker 03

  I mean, I, I love games. It's, it's something I do like just to go home and sit down and relax and not worry about anything and still get to compete and all of those different things. So, um, childhood dream, man. I mean, honestly, Mike Vick being on the cover, a couple of other, obviously John Madden and, you know, John Madden covers and all these different things. So it's gonna go up for sure. And right next to, it's probably gonna be one of the newer trophies for me, being able to put it up right next to all those other cool, cool trophies I have and accolades I have. Um, like I said, I mean, dream come true and they never had two back to back. So let's see if we can, that's my, that's my.

• 1:05:34Speaker 02

  Already, yeah, I like it.

• 1:05:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, that's my thing. Um, see if I can go and, you know, make it back to back this year.

• 1:05:40Speaker 02

  Do we know the rating yet?

• 1:05:41Speaker 03

  No, I don't, I don't know the rating. Hopefully it's a 99 for being the cover and then I get like some other rating.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  If you don't get a 99 for being on the cover.

• 1:05:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know. I, I got some work to do then.

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:05:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. I'm trying to get up there with, with Mr. Golden Kleats.

• 1:05:56Speaker 02

  Hey.

• 1:05:58Travis Kelce?

  All right now, yeah. I've had a few 99s. I said, I'll tell you what, man, Madden, they, they do it right with, uh, with letting guys get the, the like, I don't know, just like the, the honor of having a 99. It's such an iconic game and everything like that.

• 1:06:14Speaker 03

  Iconic game, iconic moment.

• 1:06:15Travis Kelce?

  I still, there were about three or four years there where they were giving out, uh, chains, 99 chains.

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, you didn't get to it.

• 1:06:23Travis Kelce?

  Oh, oh, yeah. I still got all of mine.

• 1:06:25Speaker 03

  Okay. Yeah, of course. Gotta have it all. Gotta keep it all. Yeah.

• 1:06:29Travis Kelce?

  So epic, man. The IC 99 is crazy.

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  I do gotta say, they did give us the ratings. Do you want to hear your rating or do you want to leave it off? All right.

• 1:06:36Speaker 03

  Let's hear it.

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  We have Travis, your rating, 91.

• 1:06:41Travis Kelce?

  Still got it.

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  Ninety-one.

• 1:06:44Travis Kelce?

  Still got it, baby. Still in the nineties. Let's go, baby.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  Caleb, I gotta say, this, this feels low for somebody on the cover.

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  Hopefully.

• 1:06:52Speaker 02

  But still, a very high rating.

• 1:06:54Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:06:54Speaker 02

  Ninety, ninety.

• 1:06:55Speaker 03

  Okay, I can, well, end of the year, be ninety-nine. It's all right.

• 1:06:59Travis Kelce?

  There you go.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  It'll keep getting better.

• 1:07:01Travis Kelce?

  Those rosters, gotta keep updating those rosters.

• 1:07:04Speaker 03

  You gotta update them.

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  I gotta say, I got so mad. I never really looked into my rating one year, and then somebody told me my rating.

• 1:07:10Speaker 03

  Seen like, look into it.

• 1:07:11Speaker 02

  And, and, and it had, here's what it was. It, it was the first time I ever saw it fully.

• 1:07:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Like, it wasn't just the overall, it was like where I was, like, bad at. And my toughness was like a sixty, and I was like, listen, you can downgrade me for run blocking. Attack my toughness. Fuck off, EA. I will not take that. We probably won't be able to use that. We probably won't be able to have.

• 1:07:38Travis Kelce?

  Still hurt.

• 1:07:41Speaker 02

  Yes, it is, uh, it is crazy how the game has changed and how the ratings update, they, they go with the season.

• 1:07:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, it's, it's cool. It's, it's a, it's a cool thing. So, I plan on, I plan on being up there with Travis at, at ninety-nine by the end of the year.

• 1:07:57Travis Kelce?

  All right now, all right now, I'll work on, I'll work on a little again, I'm saying. See if I still got the juice, man.

• 1:08:05Travis Kelce?

  Caleb, man, can't thank you enough, man.

• 1:08:07Speaker 03

  Same here.

• 1:08:07Travis Kelce?

  Appreciate the time. Uh, congrats on the Madden cover. That's epic shit, dog. And, uh, congrats on year two, man. We can't wait to see what you got for year three.

• 1:08:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I can't wait to see what you got, man. Year, year, what is this? Year thirteen? What is this?

• 1:08:21Speaker 02

  Fourteen, fourteen, yeah.

• 1:08:24Speaker 03

  Fourteen, gotta put respect on that.

• 1:08:26Travis Kelce?

  No, you already know, man. I'll, I'll do my best to see you in LA this year, dog.

• 1:08:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely. Hey, Jase, can I get one of those Hawaiian shirts you always wear?

• 1:08:33Speaker 02

  Oh, I got you. I got you. I'll get you a real good one.

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  Hell, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 1:08:39Travis Kelce?

  You're the best, dog.

• 1:08:40Speaker 02

  We'll help you get to three times GQ's most stylish. There we go.

• 1:08:44Speaker 03

  I may wear it for a game. You never know.

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  Never you. You're the man, brother. Thank you so much.

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely. Appreciate y'all.

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  All right. And thank you to Caleb Williams. Once again, that conversation was brought to you by Mentos Cup. All right. And that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Caleb Williams and also shout out to Randy Moss. Our episode of Chasing 10 is out now. You want to check that out? He showed Travis and I everything there is to do with bass fishing, which was was a lot because we knew absolutely nothing. So shout out to Randy. That was a blast. That does it for this episode, folks.

• 1:09:15Travis Kelce?

  Once again, New Heights, a wondrous show brought to you by Enterprise. That's right. Follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. And thanks to our New Heights production team for always keeping us organized, making us look way better than what we do. And then thank you to the 92%ers. Peace.