#277 - Brain Surgeon vs Pharma Lobbyist: Psyops, Censorship & Globalism | Jack Kruse, Calley Means & Mary Bowden

Watch this episode uncensored & ad-free on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Calley Means is a former food lobbyist, Dr. Jack Kruse is a neurosurgeon & Dr. Mary Bowden is a board certified otolaryngologist specializing in respiratory illness. SPONSORS https://bit.ly/viiadannyjones - Try VIIA & use code DANNY https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS Mary Bowden: https://x.com/MdBreathe Calley Means: https://x.com/calleymeans Jack Kruse: https://x.com/DrJackKruse FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00:00 - Public health crisis 00:09:59 - Calling for a ban on pharma products 00:21:53 - Jack's medical freedom law 00:30:31 - Calley Means work history 00:46:14 - Food vs Pharma 00:49:35 - Mary Bowden's medical background 00:59:20 - Jack's experience with ICU patients 01:00:28 - Jack on Calley's mom & pancreatic cancer 01:11:29 - Missing death certificate 01:17:47 - Bobby Kennedy & his threat to biotechnology 01:25:26 - Hidden Agendas 01:29:32 - Censorship 01:31:46 - Council of Foreign Relations 01:33:41 - MK-ULTRA 01:36:25 - World Economic Forum 01:44:50 - Jack's problem w/ Joe Rogan, Andrew Huberman & Tucker Carlson 01:47:40 - Trump, Kennedy & the health state of emergency 01:52:23 - Why Jack no longer supports RFK Jr. 01:59:28 - Health propaganda 02:03:16 - How Jack would reform health in the US 02:19:55 - Calley's link to Trump & Kennedy 02:22:22 - Lobbyists are already subverting RFK Jr. 02:29:23 - Calley's personal opinion on mandates 02:40:51 - Strategy for making change 02:53:54 - Jacks problem with Calley 02:59:46 - DNA plasmids & SV40 promoter 03:03:46 - Calley's commitment Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:07Danny Jones?

  Non-native EMFs, baby. Okay. Wow. All right, are we rolling? All right, everybody, thank you for coming. I'm glad we were able to make this happen, Jack. Welcome back. Mary, nice to meet you. Callie, nice to meet you.

• 0:21Speaker 01

  Good to see you.

• 0:22Danny Jones?

  So, uh, we wanted to make this happen. Jack, you were here about two weeks ago and, uh...

• 0:27Speaker 02

  Two months ago.

• 0:28Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, that's what I meant to say. Two months ago. And ever since then, and I think even before then, you have been fired up, to say the least, um, about Callie and his sister Casey and some of the messaging that they are pushing on various podcasts and social media. They are talking a lot about the hyper-processed foods and pharma. And you've been questioning, uh, I think, a lot to do with like their background, where they come from and, and their messaging in particular. And Callie, I think that you feel that some of the stuff Jack's saying is untrue and in bad faith. Essentially, you hit me up about two weeks ago saying you'd be more than willing...

• 1:09Speaker 01

  Like a month ago.

• 1:09Danny Jones?

  Like a month ago. Yeah, you, you contacted me and said, "I'll come do a podcast with Jack. Let's try to get in the room and try to hash your stuff out in real time."

• 1:17Speaker 01

  Well, to be honest, uh, initially what I saw is the discussions you were having about ultra-processed food not being part of the solution, light, which I think is a very important part and is more of a scientific thing. So that's what I initially, about a month ago. I mean, there's definitely been frankly more personal things, which we can talk about as much as we want. I think the science part is interesting too. But I hit you up before seeing a lot of the personal attacks. Still wanted to do this. I mean, I think a lot of people are skeptical.

• 1:44Danny Jones?

  This was your idea?

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, to, to engage on the...

• 1:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  And then I've been chatting with Mary about, you know, various things in good faith, I think. And, um, but, um, but yes, I, I... The personal attacks are what it is. We can talk about that as much as you want, but...

• 1:58Speaker 02

  I don't think they're personal attacks.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. But, but, um, I think there's a massive moment in the country right now where I think we probably all agree that there's a historic opportunity to maybe reset the agenda on health. I think there's great opportunity.

• 2:12Speaker 02

  I think that's part of the problem.

• 2:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think there's great opportunity and great, uh...

• 2:16Speaker 03

  There's a lot of opportunity.

• 2:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's opportunity, but I don't think, I don't think the opportunity is being taken...

• 2:24Speaker 02

  To the forefront by you or your sister by pushing the food issue. The big opportunity right now, why people are dying is SV40 is the jabs. And to cut straight to the chase, you and your sister wrote the book. Tell us why the word vaccine doesn't show up one time in the book.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  Okay, so let's back up. Um, there's an opportunity in this country right now, in my opinion, to talk about the holistic poisoning of the American people.

• 2:55Speaker 03

  Okay, but we just came off of the biggest public health crisis.

• 2:58Danny Jones?

  Let me answer the question. We have to let each other, we have to let each other talk and breathe. It's hard to do with four people. So we're just going to make sure that we give everyone a chance to speak. And then we take our turns trying not to talk over each other because it makes it unlistenable for people that are listening.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  So I'm going to tell you what my story is and how I see this opportunity and what I've been doing. And you guys can tell me if you disagree or agree and we can go from there if that works. Okay, so my mom, as you know, died. You've been talking about my mom. Um, and I believe that she is a product of what's happening in general to Americans, to the average American, which is we have a holistic set of hijacking of ourselves and mitochondria. And in our book, we talk a lot about over pharmaceuticals and the corruption of the pharmaceutical industry. And I think the mandates and vaccines and what happened during COVID,

• 3:57Speaker 01

  as I've said for years, is one of the greatest scandals in American history. I think COVID was the single worst public policy mistake of my lifetime. And that includes the mandates on the vaccines. That includes the lockdowns. It set a generation of kids back. It's absolutely a war crime. And I think we're going to be dealing with that for a generation and still unpacking it. And there was a wild report that came out just a couple of days ago. I think my mom and kids and the average American, I think their circadian rhythm is being hijacked. I think light is a huge issue. It's something that we talked about in the book, an entire chapter. I think, Jack, your insights on that are extraordinary and mind bending. And, um, and I think it's obvious that what's happening to our circadian rhythm is dramatically impacting our hormones.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  I mean, I was just with a friend who's raising chickens. And in order to have them laid two times more eggs, they just turn the lights on. And we're doing crazy stuff to humans and obviously that's messing with their hormones to a significant degree. I think that sedentary lifestyle and the fact that a child in a school gets less time outside and less time active than a maximum security prism is a huge issue. And we think food's a big issue. I mean, I think, I think in ways we don't even understand about the toxins and the science experiments happening with our food. And I think all those things came together for my mom and they're coming together for a lot of different Americans. And the book was about this multifaceted threats the American people are facing.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  And because of the pharmaceutical industry, I think corruption, that profits from sick kids, that basically is incentivized for a child to get sick very young, to poison those kids. I think that's what the incentives in this country are. It's super dark. And, you know, that message that, you know, came together for my sister after leaving the medical system, inspired me a lot, you know, that came together after my mom's death, is why we wrote that book. And just to get into what, you know, you've been saying, Jack, I started talking about that a couple of years ago.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  And Tucker Carlson's producer DM'd me on Twitter about two years ago. I went on his show on Fox. My sister's been doing podcasts for years. And then I went and chatted more and more about this and started unpacking this issue. A multifaceted attack on ourselves from the incentives of our medical system. And you guys talk about jumping on the scene or whatever. My sister and I went on to Tucker Carlson's podcast a while back. It was the most shared podcast of the year. And we wrote a book that's, has sold a lot. And we have been, I've been working to get this message out. And I think that Bobby Kennedy being on the national stage is a miracle.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  And I think that President Trump talking about these issues at a high level is a miracle. And I think it's bipartisan because a lot of these issues used to be talked about on the left. So I think that's a great thing. And that's where I come at it from. So I think the stack ranking, you know, Mary, I'll turn to you, but like, I think my story on you is that you've seen a lot of pain and a lot of, a lot of really bad situations and harrowing patient stories.

• 7:27Speaker 03

  I mean, we are coming off of the biggest public health crisis in our lifetime. And, you know, while I completely agree with your message, I mean, our food supply is, has a lot to be desired. It is, it's an insidious health problem that's poisoning our kids. I completely agree with that. But the COVID shots are a more immediate and dangerous threat to our population.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Children are still getting the shot today.

• 8:03Speaker 03

  All babies, all babies, all babies. This is our own government is, are recommended to get three mRNA shots. And this is synthetic modified mRNA shots by the time they're nine months old.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:18Speaker 03

  And we, we know, and we know, we know that we have an abundance of data. We have over 3,400 peer reviewed published studies showing adverse reactions. We, we know that in young people, the increased risk of myocarditis is at least four times. We, this is an immediate threat. And these COVID shots should have been pulled off the market a long time ago. And my feeling is if, if you have a large microphone and you are in the public health space, that you are ethically obligated to speak out about this issue. And I understand that this is not your issue.

• 8:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:59Speaker 03

  And we've talked about this.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:01Speaker 03

  I mean, the trans problem is not my issue. But I authentically feel that this this gender modification in children is wrong. So I do speak out about it.

• 9:13Speaker 01

  I authentically feel that in any way pushing COVID jabs, particularly on kids, is an absolute war crime.

• 9:19Speaker 03

  Do you feel like the COVID shots should be pulled off the market?

• 9:22Speaker 01

  So, so, so that is not a policy stance that I'm going to say. It's not a policy stance, Bobby.

• 9:26Speaker 03

  So are you giving your children, are you giving your children a shot? Are you gonna give your children?

• 9:29Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 9:30Speaker 03

  Okay, then why not?

• 9:31Speaker 01

  I, I think there, I think that that makes no sense.

• 9:34Speaker 03

  Why? Because you, you have reluctance about their safety.

• 9:37Speaker 01

  Hold on.

• 9:38Speaker 03

  Right?

• 9:39Speaker 01

  Hold on. Can I, can I respond to this?

• 9:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  So

• 9:44Speaker 01

  this issue of over prescribing medications for kids, the vaccine schedule for kids, specifically the COVID shot. Hold on, hold on.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  You seem to be drawing a line of whether I'm calling for an immediate ban as a policy platform versus what I'm saying.

• 10:02Speaker 03

  Or personally, just personally. Can you just say personally?

• 10:04Speaker 01

  Personally, personally, I, I think, I think it's an absolute travesty how we've been misled, how these were fast tracked.

• 10:11Speaker 03

  Personally, do you feel like the COVID shot should be pulled off the market? Yes or no?

• 10:15Speaker 01

  I'll, I'll give you my personal opinion. I think there should be absolutely no mandates.

• 10:19Speaker 03

  So, yes.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Hold on, hold on, hold on.

• 10:21Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  I, I, I think, I think that we have an opportunity in the next year to truly reset science. This is what I feel. And we have an opportunity to have Jay Bhattacharya, who's a close friend, who I, you know, strongly pushed to be at the NIH, to call everyone together, review the science, have truth and reconciliation, bring that out to people, and have a process for that.

• 10:48Speaker 03

  So.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  I think it's a general, so, so, so, Jack.

• 10:50Speaker 02

  The answer is no. The answer is no.

• 10:52Speaker 01

  That is a, that is a policy position that I'm calling for the COVID shots to be immediately pulled from the market.

• 10:57Speaker 02

  No, you're not answering the question. You're doing exactly what your training has told you to do.

• 11:02Speaker 01

  Hold on, hold on, hold on, Jack.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  That's the reason we're sitting here.

• 11:04Speaker 01

  Jack? Jack? Um, I am saying that as a policy position, I think that we should have absolute data transparency.

• 11:14Speaker 03

  We have so much data. We have too much data.

• 11:15Speaker 02

  Okay, Jack, Jack, Danny just had Kevin McKernan on the Jack podcast. Let me talk, Jack, you let me talk now.

• 11:22Speaker 01

  Hold on, hold on, hold on.

• 11:23Speaker 02

  You let me talk.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question, and this is not like a debate. I don't see this as a debate. I actually legitimately.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  I don't think it's a debate either.

• 11:32Speaker 01

  Jack, why are you so angry?

• 11:34Speaker 02

  Because I don't trust you.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  I think you're full of shit. And Mary just uncovered why you're full of shit. Because you can't say yes or no. Let me just tell you something, Callie.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no.

• 11:44Speaker 02

  When you say to the American public that my children can't have the shot, so we can't say anything for anybody else? To me, that's incongruous.

• 11:54Speaker 01

  So you would argue that Trump and Biden should come out, Trump and RFK should come out with an immediate ban on the COVID shot today?

• 12:00Speaker 03

  Absolutely. It should have been done a long time ago.

• 12:02Speaker 02

  My, my point was.

• 12:04Speaker 01

  Is that your recommendation?

• 12:04Speaker 02

  It should have happened with Operation Warp Speed.

• 12:07Speaker 03

  It should have happened in the first month.

• 12:08Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  I think as a policy process, we need it, we need to have truth and reconciliation.

• 12:13Speaker 02

  Let's talk about the policy process of the swine flu. When we had 70 vaccine injured kids and we pulled it off the market.

• 12:21Speaker 01

  Hold on, hold on. What is the debate? I'm saying there should be an immediate review of the data, an immediate.

• 12:26Speaker 02

  That's not, that's not the answer.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  I'm giving my answer.

• 12:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that's not the answer.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  Let, let, let, let Callie finish his thought. My answer, and then I sincerely want to hear from you if you are giving a presentation to the administration, what your detailed argument would be to pull the shots universally today. And that's not like a debate. I actually want to understand what. My answer right now is that the mandates, especially for kids, the mandates in general are an absolute crime. The way science has been hidden on this is a crime, the way they've been fast-tracked and pushed is a crime, the way they have been covering up other therapeutics is a crime.

• 13:06Speaker 02

  But we shouldn't pull it.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Hold on. And that, and that my policy process would be absolute transparency, absolute transparency.

• 13:17Speaker 03

  Do you know how many people died in the first month following the rollout of the COVID shots?

• 13:21Speaker 02

  Yes or no?

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• 15:51Speaker 01

  Jack.

• 15:53Speaker 02

  Yes or no? Do you know the number?

• 15:55Speaker 01

  Jack, what's your animosity?

• 15:57Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no. Let's go.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  Jack, what's with the animosity?

• 16:00Speaker 02

  Dude, I told you already. I don't trust you. You're worth a damn.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  Okay, why?

• 16:07Speaker 03

  Well, hold on, can we, do you know how many people died the first month?

• 16:12Speaker 01

  Uh, no.

• 16:12Speaker 03

  700. And that's, that we're reporting.

• 16:15Speaker 02

  So it's 10x compared to the swine flu that was pulled in 76.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  Jack, what, what would be your argument if you're talking theoretically to a leader who's making this decision?

• 16:27Speaker 02

  I just gave it to you.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  What would the?

• 16:29Speaker 02

  A 10x change.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  Walk the listeners through, like, like for the immediate.

• 16:32Speaker 02

  I don't want to walk the listeners through, I want to walk you through.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  Walk me through, what? Jack, I'm not making these decisions. Like.

• 16:38Speaker 02

  I got news for you. I got news for you, the way you sold yourself to the people in DC would say otherwise.

• 16:45Speaker 03

  You have the ear of Kennedy and Trump.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  Well, I got news for you, I happen to know that's true.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  Okay. So I think you might be getting bad information, but.

• 16:53Speaker 02

  I don't think so.

• 16:54Speaker 01

  I, I, I think you are, but um, what is the argument? This is like, this isn't a debate, like, like we should get this out, like, like.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  Well, we would if you just said yes, but we're not.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  That I want to immediately ban the shots?

• 17:08Speaker 02

  Correct. That's, that's the answer.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  I don't think that's, that's not the policy of RFK. That's not the policy of Trump. RFK, so RFK doesn't want to, want to pull the COVID shots? No, he's not calling to immediately pull, he's calling for utter truth. Jay Bhattacharya is calling for utter truth. That is what I think we have an opportunity to do. I am, I'm not calling the shots in any way, shape or form, but I am very passionate, Jack, about transformational change right now and coming up with recommendations for true transformational change. I think the way to change the paradigm on this stuff is, to be frank, absolutely not coming out with immediate bans on things like this. So, hold on. I think it is, I think it is having a national conversation and a reset of science

• 17:54Speaker 01

  and having a full truth and unbiased science. We all know, we both know that the truth right now is that they're not asking these questions and there's huge cover up of getting the right information and getting the right data. We all know that. We all know that they've already made recommendations to the American people for kids and that there's huge institutional pressure to have any data that second guesses the guidance that they've already given to people's children. Imagine, I see it, right? I know about this from my experience, Jack. There's incredible institutional pressure to have anyone look. Well, imagine the liability of that. Imagine the liability if the data you're saying, talking about actually comes out. So that's, that's what we're, hold on, that's what we're, that's, that's what we're

• 18:39Speaker 02

  This is infuriating. I think, the data's been sitting there for years now.

• 18:44Speaker 01

  Walk us through it.

• 18:45Danny Jones?

  Hold on a second. I think the obvious biggest problem with this is that nobody can be informed on the truth about it because I can have somebody in here like Kevin McHernan who's an expert in this stuff and then you two will pull the thing off of the internet.

• 18:57Speaker 02

  Which has happened.

• 18:58Danny Jones?

  Which just happened. So, so there's no transparency on one side. Anybody who questions these products on the internet gets completely silenced. I think that is the number one issue with it. Like, we're not going out and banning Fruit Loops. Everybody knows Fruit Loops are bad for you. Everybody knows smoking Newport's are bad for you, but people choose to do it.

• 19:19Speaker 02

  You have a choice to do it and a choice not to do it.

• 19:21Speaker 03

  And I want to say something about RFK because, you know, we have been fighting so hard the last four years to get this information out to the public. Kennedy was our big hope. Kennedy was finally, he was the one that's gonna, you know, get in, get in a position of power and even if he didn't win the presidency, he has this gigantic microphone. And then, all of a sudden, his message shifts, his focus shifts. He's our nuclear bomb. We're in World War III. He's gonna, he's gonna take down Japan. All of a sudden, the nuclear bomb, the target has shifted to food.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  Right, Nicole came on and talked a lot about food.

• 19:59Speaker 03

  Let me finish. And this coincided with this meteoric rise with Casey and Kelly Means, who none of us had seen. I am curious, and don't answer yet, because I want to keep talking. But I am curious about what you were doing during the pandemic. But, well, we're not sure. But you came on, and great, we love your message. And I have told you this, we want you to join forces with us. But, and I don't, you know, you say it's a purity test. I, it's an ethical test. I mean, you have this gigantic microphone, and you have the ability, I mean, you have the ear of Trump and Kennedy. And I'm also very curious about that.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  I wouldn't say that.

• 20:40Speaker 03

  You're the one that called, that orchestrated the call between Kennedy and Trump. And Kennedy says this, he, this is in his speech, that you orchestrated the call between Kennedy and Trump to have Kennedy drop out of the race and endorse Trump. And that is very, you know, how did that happen? Very curious. So, Kennedy's focus has shifted, and that's our big concern. And it coincides with your rise. I mean, six months ago, I looked this up, you had about 19,000 followers on Twitter, six months ago. Now you have 230 something thousand. It's amazing. Good for you. Because you have figured out how to get that information that you want to get that out.

• 21:24Speaker 03

  And that is commendable. And that's what we all want. We want our message to get out. We just can't, we can't get it out. And so, maybe you could tell us your secrets, how to do that.

• 21:33Speaker 01

  We can get into, but, but, but, but, but high level, do we not feel optimistic about the moment that we're in?

• 21:40Speaker 02

  I don't, no more.

• 21:41Danny Jones?

  Why don't you feel optimistic?

• 21:43Speaker 02

  I don't think Bobby is who I thought he was.

• 21:45Danny Jones?

  Why?

• 21:46Speaker 02

  Uh, just the things that have developed over the last, probably, four to six weeks. I mean, he seems to be completely unaware, before him and his sister on the scene, about the constitutional amendment that I wrote for Bukele. Everything was in this law to wipe the slate clean, completely. And Bobby calls me up and says,

• 22:12Speaker 02

  I don't think even Ron DeSantis could pass this law. And this is when Ron DeSantis was in the race with Trump before Susie Wiles.

• 22:19Danny Jones?

  For people who are listening, for people who are listening who aren't familiar with that law, can you explain it for us?

• 22:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I, I went to move to El Salvador four years ago. And literally Bitcoin gets announced as legal tender. And COVID happens. And Boo Kelly is not, you know, a scientist. Everybody knows that, but he listened to the people in his health ministry, who were forerunners tied to World Economic Forum, WHO, FDA, you know, all the same people that Fauci led to. And he went along, signed the contract with Pfizer and started to inject people. And he started to see immediate problems in his country.

• 23:04Speaker 02

  So he went on Twitter and he said, who's this crazy neurosurgeon that keeps saying all these bad things, but no one's shutting him up? How'd that happen? It's one of my patients is Jack Dorsey, who owned Twitter at the time. So there was no chance I was gonna get silenced. So what happens? They bring me back into a place to meet the president. And I give them a talk. That's Chatham rules. 20 things that we need to do right now. People in his administration tapped me after the talk and they said, look, these ideas are pretty good. Would you be willing to meet with the president in the next 24 or 48 hours?

• 23:48Speaker 02

  So I went and met the president in the basement. And I told him the story about Benjamin Rush. And I told him exactly what Benjamin Rush, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison talked about. That we should have had a medical freedom law in the constitution. But because the two founders went back and could not find 5,000 years, any civilization where this was the attack vector for a government, they decided not to put it in. Everything was good until 1982, when Reagan put Fauci in. And that's when everything went wrong.

• 24:23Danny Jones?

  And 1986 is when.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  80 is the.

• 24:26Speaker 01

  Why, why are you not optimistic?

• 24:29Speaker 02

  Well, I'm getting there.

• 24:30Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 24:30Speaker 02

  Part of the reason is because you can't answer the question.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Which question, Jack? I'm trying to have a good dialogue here.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  No, I don't think you are. I don't think you're in good faith.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  But Jack, why?

• 24:39Speaker 02

  Because I think many of the people, many of the people that were behind the pandemic are people that he's worked for in the past. That's the real issue for me. And I don't know.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  What, like who?

• 24:52Speaker 02

  Oh, just relax.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 24:54Speaker 02

  You let me talk.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  I do. I want to have a good conversation.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  So the interesting part of this is when Bobby gets the law, and he tells me what he tells me about the Santas, I get a phone call about four weeks later from him, and he goes, can we use four pages of the law in our platform? This is before Mahah ever comes out. Then I get a phone call from Aaron Siri, his healthcare attorney, saying, we'd like to help you format the law to get it in. I said, you don't have to worry about it. It's already a done deal in El Salvador. Um, then, this is before Nicole is actually tapped to be the vice president. She says, would you go and do a podcast with Bobby? But it's got to be in a place that it can't be canceled.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  Kind of like, you know, what you just faced with Kevin.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  So I called one of my other friends and patients up, Rick Rubin, famous music producer. I said, no one's canceling him. So Bobby sits down with me, we talk. And at that meeting, the most key thing happens. Nicole gives me talking points that she wants me to discuss with Bobby, and I refuse to do it. I go straight to the heart of the matter, to something that Bobby knows about. Very few other people did. And that's the day that I dropped in his lap that Kevin McKeon found SV40 in the Pfizer jam. And he never knew that prior to that. He knew exactly what it meant because of the book that he had written with Fauci from Fort Detrick onward.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:29Speaker 02

  But what this podcast became a big story about was Uncle Jack knew everything from Fort Detrick backwards.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  The polio.

• 26:37Speaker 02

  And I knew something else to really catch Bobby off off base is that when Jim Garrison talked to his father, we covered this in the other podcast, that Bobby Kennedy at eight years old was the one that answered the phone. There was no way for me to know that when David Ferry was killed.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:59Speaker 02

  So what is that messaging, which is what you're getting to the heart of the matter that he doesn't understand that this is proof positive. This is a bioweapons program that spans 75 years. That alone should end everything that's going on with COVID. Why? SV40 is not on any of the FDA's paper. I don't need Jay Bhattacharya. I don't need Bobby Kennedy. I don't need Donald Trump. It's not in any of the regulations and because it's not, it needs to end immediately. Not only is it grossly illegal, it's not ethical and it's nefarious.

• 27:42Speaker 02

  And anybody who says otherwise automatically is looked at badly. And that's the real reason I don't trust you.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  Are you aware?

• 27:52Speaker 02

  Because you cannot, you cannot answer Mary's question.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  Which is?

• 27:59Speaker 02

  Why are you still for the jobs?

• 28:02Speaker 01

  Jack.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  You can think whatever you want.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  I don't have to. You just said what you said to the people on this podcast. It's a litmus test. You don't want to take.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  Jack, I am, my mission on this earth is to subvert the evil, dark, broken incentives of our pharmaceutical industry and the incentives for the American people to be sick, which I think has a super dark.

• 28:31Speaker 02

  I feel like we're listening to another ad.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  Hold on, Jack, Jack, why, what, what's with the anger? You don't know me.

• 28:37Speaker 02

  Dude, I got news for you. I think I know you.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  I don't think you do.

• 28:42Speaker 02

  I do.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  Okay. Well, we can talk about that, but um. Do I think that COVID jabs should be pulled immediately? I think that what happened with COVID is evil and I think it's horrible.

• 28:55Speaker 02

  I don't think you even know what happened with COVID.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  I don't. I don't. I don't know what you're saying.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  Honestly, Jack, I don't.

• 29:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  I think that what you're saying, I think that what you're saying and the threads you are pulling should have maximum airtime, should be absolutely seeing the sunlight and we should have absolute fearless discussion and truth.

• 29:16Speaker 02

  The funny thing is they aren't and guess what? The jabs are still out there. Guess why?

• 29:21Speaker 01

  Because you haven't convinced enough people.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  No, because the people that you work for and the people that are in Washington DC are still in power.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  Well, Jack, we have, I think, an optimistic situation that's happened in the last month.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  I don't think it's as optimistic as you think.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  I am really optimistic. I think there's a lot of...

• 29:38Speaker 02

  I think it's optimistic for Fruit Loops, but not for the jab.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  I think there's, well, I think there's a lot of, um, I think there's a lot of darkness. I think there's going to be a lot of subversion. I think progress is probably going to be more incremental than you and I want, but I think we are standing right now at a more optimistic time to get truth out and change some of these incentives than we ever have. And the truth is...

• 30:02Speaker 02

  You feel that way, Mary?

• 30:03Speaker 03

  Nah, I, I...

• 30:05Speaker 02

  Is there?

• 30:06Speaker 03

  I, I think, I think, I'm very curious what happened to you during the pandemic. Did you?

• 30:11Speaker 02

  He was busy writing a book.

• 30:13Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, seriously, did you have, what was the hardest thing?

• 30:16Speaker 01

  Jack, what, what, what's with, what's with your, like, who do you think I worked for?

• 30:20Speaker 02

  I know, I know who you are.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  Go ahead.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  You're a globalist.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:25Speaker 02

  That's who you are.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  You want to give...

• 30:27Danny Jones?

  What do you mean specifically by that?

• 30:29Speaker 02

  Well, all you have to do is look at his LinkedIn page and then do a cursory, you know, examination of his family history. But the big one that really concerns me is his past work history. That's one I haven't talked about on Twitter yet.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  That's the one I saved right here.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  So, Callie, when he left Stanford, went and did his Harvard MBA. And that's when he started to meet some other Harvard guys. Took some jobs and started working for companies that are tied to transhumanist technology. But the big one.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Which was, which would that be?

• 31:06Speaker 02

  Boz Allen.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  That was, I interned there as a sophomore in college.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  Still doesn't matter. There's a trend here, my friend.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 31:12Speaker 02

  The next one is.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  That was before Harvard Business School.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  Let's talk about Daniel J. Edelman and Holdings.

• 31:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:18Speaker 02

  Let's talk about that.

• 31:19Speaker 01

  That was before Harvard.

• 31:20Speaker 02

  You know who Daniel J.?

• 31:22Speaker 01

  I do, I do, and I've made.

• 31:24Speaker 02

  Why don't you tell me about it? Why don't you tell the audience who Daniel was?

• 31:28Speaker 01

  Jack?

• 31:31Speaker 01

  I've done 200 podcasts talking about, hold on, stop.

• 31:34Speaker 02

  Nobody gives a shit about your podcast right now.

• 31:36Danny Jones?

  Well, let him explain.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  Jack, Jack. Going to Stanford, working at Edelman, working at Mercury Public Affairs, going to Harvard Business School, seeing inside the Council on Foreign Relations, these are foundational to who I am and what my story is.

• 31:54Speaker 02

  I agree with that. I agree with that.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  And seeing that darkness.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  Right, those are all globalist.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  Of course, of course.

• 32:01Speaker 02

  Globalism, elitist, Rockefeller founded.

• 32:05Speaker 01

  Hold on, hold on, Jack.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  NATO supporting.

• 32:07Speaker 01

  You haven't, you haven't.

• 32:08Speaker 02

  UN supporting.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  Jack, Jack, you haven't read our books or listened to our podcast. Well, if you don't think that me and my sister eviscerate the book, a big portion of the book is explaining how the Rockefeller family is one of the most evil families in American history. Okay, my dad worked for the Ford Rockefeller administration for two years, 50 years ago. These Rockefeller connections and the Rockefeller money that we have, that's news to us, okay? He worked for the Ford administration and he was a mid-level assistant for rights president Nelson Rockefeller, not David Rockefeller, who I don't even know that is, or you say a lot. That was 50 years ago.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  David Rockefeller founded the Council of Foreign Relations, which you remember.

• 32:49Speaker 01

  I, that's, that's news to me. I've been to one Council for Relations meeting in my life.

• 32:53Danny Jones?

  What is, what is the Council of Foreign Relations?

• 32:55Speaker 02

  Then, then tell the audience, because I'm glad you said that.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  Why is it linked everywhere that your name is? Why do you always put it out there?

• 33:07Danny Jones?

  And first of all, what is it?

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Well, hold on.

• 33:09Speaker 02

  Well, just answer the question.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  Hold on.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  It's on your LinkedIn profile right now.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. The answer to that is I haven't updated my LinkedIn profile in a couple of years.

• 33:18Speaker 02

  That's pretty convenient, don't you think? Considering where we're going with this? Because you still haven't answered the question about who Daniel J. Edelman is. Tell the audience who he is.

• 33:31Speaker 01

  He is the leader of the largest public relations and public affairs firm in the world that I worked for 13 years ago.

• 33:38Speaker 02

  And what's the methodology that he describes and studies?

• 33:42Speaker 01

  Jack, you're being very menacing. Let's have a, let's have a, your narratives are wrong.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  I'm just warming up, brother.

• 33:49Danny Jones?

  Just try to let him talk.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  Jack, Jack. Let's have some love here.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  Not gonna happen.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  What, what, why? Like, what, I don't know who told you all this darkness. It's curious.

• 34:01Speaker 02

  I have, I have security people that find lots of things out.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Okay, well, I'm curious, I'm looking forward to hearing them. So, so Edelman, as we write about and talked about incessantly, and I'm happy to repeat for you, created a playbook to rig institutions of trust. They, they actually made a lot of their money with cigarette companies and they helped bribe scientific organizations to say how cigarettes, you know, basically question. They actually didn't even say they were healthy. The goal was to actually show how, cause confusion. Okay, so throughout the 60s, 70s, 80s, they ran the playbook for the cigarette industry to basically rig institutions of trust, to pay off regulators, to have confusing information, to have doctors and advertisements.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  So this is a large public relation forum that basically created that playbook. Now, as cigarette smoking declined. They took on other interests like food companies, oil companies, you know, other, other industries like that. And they use the exact same playbook and they actually shifted their clients over from the cigarette industry to the food industry as the cigarette industries bought the food industry in the 1990s. And then those were clients that I had when I was there 12, 13 years ago. And as I talked about, I actually watched and helped, you know, steer money from the American Beverage Association to civil rights groups and to academic groups and actually watched as food companies, you know, paid off and tried to confuse Americans

• 35:33Speaker 01

  with research, you know, such as we, we make a mockery of this, but such as, you know, crude oil, food colorings being safe when they're basically phased out of other countries. So we, those were the projects I worked on. And then at the same time, Edelman represents the World Economic Forum, you know, and goes to these fancy confabs and says how good they are and good people they are.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  How many, how many times is David J. Edelman's son, Richard?

• 35:59Speaker 01

  David, David is dead, dead. Richard, Richard's the CEO. Yeah. He goes every year. He goes every year. Edelman is.

• 36:07Speaker 02

  Can you tell the audience about his new wife?

• 36:10Speaker 01

  She's the former, uh, public relations person for, for the World Economic Forum.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  Interesting. And do you know that she's got a link to the current president of, uh, Mexico that supports NAFTA? That's also another Rockefeller issue?

• 36:26Speaker 01

  Jack, I think Cali's admitted all this stuff. The foundational, like, the foundational attribute of my story, we all have passed. Nicole was married to Sergey Brin. Like, you're being paid by very, hold on, hold on, Jack.

• 36:40Speaker 02

  Here's the key, though. The Rockefellers are behind the job and you won't take the litmus test.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  Well done.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  You can laugh all you want, dude.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  This is funny. Okay, so, so, so your, is Edelman and these, you know, kind of firms that I used to work for tied to a potentially very dark globalist regime?

• 37:03Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 37:03Speaker 01

  Yes. That's the foundation of my story. I went to Harvard, I went to Stanford. I was.

• 37:11Speaker 02

  Two people tied to ARPANET. Go ahead, keep going.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  Okay, so I went to Harvard, went to Stanford, have seen inside some of these circles, still am involved in some of these circles. And I am trying to talk about how even well-meaning people in some cases are part of terrible incentives that when it comes to the healthcare field are, no matter what they say or what they even think in their head, are part of darkness.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  What made you decide to go to sequential jobs that actually sought out the darkness?

• 37:46Speaker 01

  Well, hold on, so, so I went to Stanford.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  Darkness, Harvard darkness.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 37:52Speaker 02

  No, I'm being honest with you.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  I think, I think, I think.

• 37:55Speaker 02

  Again, I'm not laughing. I'm being very serious here, Ryan. Because I'm not, I'm not done talking, Callie.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  Well, you're asking questions.

• 38:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I'm not asking you a question now.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  You just asked three questions, but go ahead. What's your question?

• 38:08Speaker 02

  My question is this. Did you listen to the last podcast that I did with Danny?

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Uh, I've listened to a lot of your stuff and I'll listen to.

• 38:15Speaker 02

  Did you listen to the one that I did with Danny specifically?

• 38:19Speaker 01

  I listened to almost all of it.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  Okay, so you know about the link to MKUltra. Did you know that Daniel Edelman was part of MKUltra? Did you know that?

• 38:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 38:30Speaker 02

  Well, he is. Steve, why don't you pull up his, uh, his Wikipedia? And you'll notice that he was tied to psychological warfare. See that right there in World War II? Did you know that? And do you know what the methodology for Edelman is, my friend? Goes all the way back to the 1921 book written by Edward Bernays.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:51Speaker 02

  Propaganda.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  Jack, I just described it.

• 38:53Speaker 02

  Well, but my question is, Callie, why do I keep finding your name and your dad's name? And your sister's name tied to globalist people yet? When this young lady over here asked you the question, why are you failing the litmus test on jobs but not on Fruhlops?

• 39:13Speaker 01

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• 40:18Speaker 01

  Um, well, let me, let me back up, Jack, because you might not know. Let me just give my story and where my heart is, and you can poke wherever you want. Does that sound good?

• 40:29Speaker 02

  Let's do it.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  My sister and I were raised in Washington DC. We have wonderful parents. My dad worked as a grew up in a trailer, worked as an economic advisor, said for Ford and Rockefeller and was a consultant in Washington DC. And my mom was the greatest woman we know. And for whatever reason, my sister and I were very concerned with going up the ladder and achieving good professional success in the traditional sense. So we worked hard. We got into Stanford. I studied economics and political science. My sister studied biology. I was really into politics, so I went into campaigns right after school. And then inevitably, a lot of people go into public affairs, lobbying, consulting, things like that. So I did that and worked at two companies, Mercury Public Affairs and Edelman.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  And as I've talked about a lot, I definitely saw some of these really dark arts of basically just confusing the American people about areas like food, areas like pharmaceutical products. And it was really, really dark. I didn't put all the pictures together, but those are the two companies I worked for. And I don't know about the Rockefeller ties, but these were two.

• 41:38Speaker 02

  I told you the Council of Foreign Affairs was started by David Rockefeller.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. So I worked at two prominent public affairs firms. Then I went to Harvard Business School and then I've been doing startups. My sister went to Stanford Medical School. She was, despite what you said, like did very well, did residency, had what I would call spiritual awakening, probably similar to you in some ways, that the system is pretty dark and it profits from people being sick. And exploring that there's multi-dimensional poisoning of our mitochondria, including circadian rhythm, food, things like that. But basically, she didn't learn about these things. So she left in 2017, started impacting me. I was doing startups, other things, and kind of came together for me during COVID. So where was I during COVID?

• 42:27Speaker 01

  I was closing down my previous e-commerce company, living with my sister, thinking a lot about how dark and bad the public policy was around COVID and the lockdowns. My mom's experience, as we talked about, in January 2021 had a big impact on me. I started speaking out, speaking out about the COVID vaccine and other issues in 2021, really coming on, thinking about this, saying how crazy it was to be mandating them. Hold on. And then. Yes, helped my sister write a book in 2021, 2022, started speaking more about this stuff.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Uh, as far as a Rockefeller connections, that's news to me and, and maybe they're so good that they're, you know, subconsciously and so.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  Who's the, who's the agent for your book?

• 43:13Speaker 01

  Uh, Inkwell Publishing.

• 43:15Speaker 02

  What's the agent's name?

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Richard Pine.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  You know where Richard Pine is linked to?

• 43:21Speaker 01

  He's.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  Rockefeller Foundation. Cali, you just got finished eloquently.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Hold on.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  Stating that you're not part of that.

• 43:30Speaker 01

  Hold on, hold on.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  But guess what? Avery and Penguin have confirmed to me who your agent is. And I, I've done some homework.

• 43:39Speaker 01

  Was it Richard? No, it was Inkwell Publishing.

• 43:42Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no. Richard. I'm gonna tell you something, Cali.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  Go ahead.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  The more you talk, the digger, the bigger hole you're digging. And so, well, we're gonna talk about your mother here very, very shortly. Okay?

• 43:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  Because that is the big impetus.

• 43:59Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  For your book. So, your, your mom, tell, tell the audience where your mom lived. Tell your, where did your mom live?

• 44:07Speaker 01

  Hold on.

• 44:07Danny Jones?

  One second, I wanna, I wanna ask a question first. I wanna ask, you mentioned there was a spiritual awakening your sister had.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 44:15Danny Jones?

  What was the point for you? Was there a specific jump off point or spiritual awakening from you to step away from lobbying?

• 44:22Speaker 01

  Wait, yeah, go, yeah, I'll, I'll get to that. Um, so,

• 44:29Speaker 01

  Jack, I'll just kind of give, um, again, where, where the heart is. We decided to write a book.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  In the middle of COVID?

• 44:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. What's wrong with that?

• 44:42Speaker 02

  That's kinda big, considering the stuff that's been going on.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  Are you suggesting that we're part of some conspiracy where Rockefeller helped place the book and then, and then, and then a conspiracy to get a million people to buy the book?

• 44:53Speaker 02

  I don't think I'm, I'm actually saying anything. I'm, I'm actually looking for answers from you because I don't think that you're being very transparent.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  You'll have to explain how the conspiracy is that a lot of people bought the book.

• 45:06Speaker 03

  Well, you're the first time author, right? That's very unusual for a first time author. And you're not the first person to give this message. I mean, this message has been going out for 50 years. You just managed to overcome what most people can't and get that message out to most of America, which is amazing. And I want to know how you did it. So we can do the same thing with the COVID shots.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  I mean, that's the answer.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Are you suggesting like Edelman, the people I'm attacking in the book, help with the book? I'm just trying to understand what the logic is.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  I actually think that your agent knew exactly how to sell this book. Why? Because it fits with their agenda 2030. That's exactly what it is.

• 45:45Speaker 03

  And maybe you're just unwitting, maybe you're being used and you don't know it.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  I might be. If this is a big conspiracy, Jack, then...

• 45:51Speaker 02

  I don't think the word conspiracy has come up, except out of your mouth.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Well, well, saying that...

• 45:56Speaker 02

  I actually think that the interesting part here is feigning ignorance and fraud.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  So I'd like to know... Feigning ignorance about what?

• 46:05Speaker 02

  I believe you're feigning ignorance right now.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  About what, Jack?

• 46:08Speaker 02

  I think fraud and ignorance are two words that are next to each other.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  Feigning ignorance about our agent being connected to World Economic Forum?

• 46:15Speaker 02

  I would like to know where your line between ignorance and fraud lines.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  Feigning ignorance about our agent being connected to the World Economic Forum? That's the ignorance?

• 46:25Speaker 02

  I'd kind of like to hear you say, what is your policy to write a food book during COVID?

• 46:34Speaker 01

  It's not a food book.

• 46:35Speaker 02

  While you're...

• 46:36Speaker 01

  Jack, Jack, it's not a food book. It has two chapters on food. It has more...

• 46:41Speaker 02

  It's got recipes in the damn book.

• 46:42Speaker 01

  It's not a food book. It's not a... It's a book about the multi-dimensional threat on our...

• 46:47Speaker 02

  So now we're going to rewrite the history since I read the book.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  Jack, Jack.

• 46:50Danny Jones?

  And to be fair, Callie does talk a lot about the pharmaceutical industry and pharmaceutical drugs. Not so much about vaccines.

• 46:57Speaker 02

  Danny, let me give him two points because Mary said something earlier that... And I do want to give agreement with Callie that...

• 47:09Speaker 02

  Most of the things that he's talked about on Rogan and on Tucker, I have zero problems with. Like his stance on food, his stance that he's turned against those dark forces. I am willing to concede 100%.

• 47:27Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 47:27Speaker 02

  That is not what Jack is pissed off about. Okay. It's the transparency. He's a, he's a public relations guy, a lobbyist. What do they do? It's legalized lying.

• 47:41Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  So I want to make sure he's not still lying. Because when he, we ask him the question.

• 47:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 47:47Speaker 02

  That we ask him about the elephant in the room, which is the messenger RNA jab. You already had Kevin on here and you know the deal.

• 47:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  You're not even a science guy.

• 47:58Danny Jones?

  Right, understood. There is, there is a huge stigma and a huge group think that is attached to the vaccine conversation. Because people know you'll, you get blasted off the internet. You, you get completely scrubbed if you talk about that and you make that your main talking point. So my question would be, is there-

• 48:16Speaker 02

  Which was not, which was not, which was not my plan.

• 48:18Speaker 01

  Did I get blasted off the internet?

• 48:20Danny Jones?

  You did not. You are a-

• 48:22Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 48:22Danny Jones?

  You're, you're a unicorn. Jack, you are a unicorn. But Callie, is there a strategic-

• 48:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 48:28Danny Jones?

  Is there a strategic reason that you may be, and it's-

• 48:31Speaker 02

  No.

• 48:31Danny Jones?

  I can see a reasonable reason why you would choose not to attack the vaccines and try to go a different route. And then come, come later and like take it one piece at a time, piecemeal the problem.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  So, no, that has not been a strategy. The strategy was that we wrote what was in our heart, like in this book. And that I am on a constant journey and learning. I have thought that vaccine mandates and the policy around COVID was really, really bad. Like, and then we talked about COVID in the book. And we talked about that. I think, I think there is, Jack, Mary, I think there is a question of, given this moment right now, what the policy and what the strategy should be. And I do strongly believe that we should start with transparency. That's my opinion. And you might think that's a kind of weasely way to get to the issue and that it's such a crisis that we have to just bang

• 49:28Speaker 01

  the table right now on specific issues. I do strongly believe that from a public policy perspective, we should start with transparency and that's a good place to start to bring the American people along. I know you think it's too, I get that, but, but, okay.

• 49:41Speaker 03

  I'll explain what I'm actually thinking, but we have a huge problem with trust right now. I see it every day in my office. I have patients coming to me who say, who can I go see? I have people crying in my office on a regular basis over what happened during COVID. I mean, that's not normal. ENTs do not normally hand Kleenex to their patients. Normally, we're treating your infections and, but I literally, several times a week, I have people crying in my office.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  And why is that? I think, I think the point, though, also needs to be made for the audience because you, you and I are the only doctors at the table.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, we never actually introduced you.

• 50:18Speaker 02

  You're an ENT, she normally doesn't get involved anywhere close to the vaccine issue, and guess what? She is knee deep in this.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  Right. So, so, Mary, I know we're like almost an hour into this podcast, but let's give you like a brief introduction, like your background.

• 50:34Speaker 03

  Right. So I went to Stanford, I'm an ENT, and I kind of stumbled into COVID. I had patients coming to me because no one else would treat them. And I'm an expert in respiratory diseases, so it makes sense. And because I didn't shut my doors, people started coming to me. And initially, I used, well, I tried hydroxychloroquine, but as soon as President Trump mentioned it as an option, it got shut down. And literally, the Texas State Board of Pharmacy sent out a letter prohibiting us from prescribing it. So then I moved on to monoclonal antibodies, and those worked great. People turned around very quickly, and I get unlimited supply. Well, then the government shut that down, and that was right around

• 51:12Speaker 01

  Same thing happened here.

• 51:13Speaker 03

  When Biden man- Dated the covid shots, they shut down monoclonal antibodies. It was all, it was an orchestrated effort. And so I started using ivermectin and I found that ivermectin worked. I was a little nervous that it wouldn't because monoclonal antibodies worked so well. But what I did find, I found that it worked. And so I treated over 6,000 covid patients. When you see that high volume, I mean, that's something I'll never again experience in my career. I mean, usually I see a wide variety of issues as an ENT. Never had such a large volume of the same disease in such a short period of time. And you become an expert in it. And, you know, I started speaking out and of course, I got, I got ridiculed, smeared, canceled. I'm still fighting for my medical license.

• 51:57Speaker 03

  So I put everything on the line to tell the truth. And I think that brings us to another point is that, you know, all these people, all these doctors who have really stuck their knucks out, have suffered because of, you know, just telling the truth. I mean, just upholding the Hippocratic oath are being completely ignored, especially right now, right now.

• 52:16Speaker 02

  Let's flip, let's flip the switch though, Mary. Because I want you to talk about this. You and Casey have the exact same training. Right. She dropped out of her residency. Callie's sister.

• 52:27Speaker 03

  Right. And I reached out to her several times.

• 52:29Speaker 02

  She dropped out of her residency. So she had no way to actually have her doors open to actually see the things that you saw. Right?

• 52:39Speaker 03

  And maybe, you know, I, I understand if you are not in my position, you, it is not as imperative to you as somebody who's seen the same thing over and over and over again, seeing people crying in their, in your office.

• 52:51Speaker 02

  Do you think, do you think that may have something to do with why she wrote a book about food?

• 52:56Speaker 01

  Jack, it's not about food, Jack.

• 52:58Speaker 03

  Well, I think her priorities.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  Jack, Jack, hold on. It's not about food.

• 53:02Speaker 02

  I'm actually talking to her, not you.

• 53:03Speaker 03

  I don't want to assume nefarious motives on her part.

• 53:06Speaker 01

  Are you?

• 53:07Speaker 03

  But I do find it, it's, it's interesting. It's just, it's just interesting. And

• 53:13Speaker 01

  What's interesting?

• 53:14Speaker 03

  That, I mean, we've gone over this.

• 53:17Speaker 02

  A first time author.

• 53:18Speaker 03

  First time author, right.

• 53:19Speaker 02

  That doesn't finish her residency. That doesn't have a medical license.

• 53:22Speaker 01

  Not finishing the residence.

• 53:23Speaker 02

  She never finished her residency.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  But that's part of the book.

• 53:25Speaker 03

  I know, but that's.

• 53:27Speaker 02

  What does that matter? It's part of the book.

• 53:28Speaker 01

  But what's your point?

• 53:29Speaker 02

  What? Because she can't see patients. Have you ever read her levels?

• 53:36Speaker 02

  Corporate agreement.

• 53:38Speaker 01

  You're talking to people about that that are mistaken.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  Actually, I read it.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, they don't.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  And guess what?

• 53:44Speaker 01

  They don't.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  Guess what? She can't see patients. Callie, do you know that she doesn't even have a medical license in the United States?

• 53:52Speaker 01

  Why are you like?

• 53:53Speaker 02

  Do you know that?

• 53:54Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, she left the medical system, Jack.

• 53:57Speaker 02

  So that's interesting. So, hold on. So, do you know a guy named Tim Nokes?

• 54:03Speaker 01

  No.

• 54:04Speaker 02

  Tim Nokes is a doctor that faced a multimillion dollar lawsuit because patients thought he was practicing outside of his specialty on the internet. Cost him almost two million dollars. So I've heard your sister multiple times in multiple places with you. And many of the things that she's saying with no medical malpractice, no medical license, didn't finish her ENT residency. I gotta be honest with you. Maybe that's the reason why she doesn't have the same experience that Mary has.

• 54:38Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. So, okay, I want to respond, but, but. Do, should I?

• 54:46Speaker 03

  Well, I'm just, you know, like I said, I don't assume nefarious motives because she's not speaking out about COVID. But what the?

• 54:54Speaker 02

  Because there's no trust in the world now.

• 54:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  Jack, that's why I'm here, honestly. And I think that's valid.

• 55:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  Honestly.

• 55:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, when you've gone through what I've gone through, you don't trust.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  I think, I think you're like, I think you've got a, I think, but I, I, I am here and we talked about this. I, you know, I didn't see all your eye consider conspiratorial stuff. I think this idea that you don't have trust is super valid, not just of us, of just general. I think this is a, I think this is a very high stakes time. And there's a lot of people listening that have, it's not about me or it's like, like, I think this.

• 55:31Speaker 02

  Actually, it is about you too.

• 55:33Speaker 01

  Hold on, hold on, but there's also a lot of just distrust in general, I think, around the system. Like, I think.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  But I think you're bringing the distrust to this magical moment.

• 55:41Speaker 03

  But that.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  I don't want to get into your stuff.

• 55:43Speaker 03

  I want to finish what we, the whole thing. I never got to finish the whole trust thing, right? Because that's, that's the biggest problem I see. I have patients coming to me, I have a list, a printed list of doctors. So I give them, okay, these are the people that are like minded. These are the people that, you know, will never make you wear a mask in the office, will never ask you your vaccination status, have, you know, been very like minded. And. If the government does not take this rare, this opportunity to come down and, and hold people accountable, we will never restore the trust, at least in our lifetime. And that people need to have the, everything taken down and we need immediate and swift action, or the, I mean, we'll never restore the trust.

• 56:28Speaker 03

  I mean, I'm telling you, okay, look how many, you know how many people are still getting these COVID shots? I mean, it's probably less than 10%. And that's a reflection of their trust in our government, because our government is telling them that they need to get these COVID shots.

• 56:40Speaker 01

  I think it's like 3% for like, young kids. It's like when it's the recommendation.

• 56:43Speaker 03

  Well, God, it shouldn't even be that. Well, we don't know.

• 56:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's good.

• 56:46Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, nobody should be getting these shots. Nobody. And, um, yeah, so if we, if we don't do something, it, we're never going to restore the trust. And this is the time to do it. And, and soft pedaling this is just, is just not going to work. I mean, people are, do not trust our health system.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:09Danny Jones?

  I think that's why this conversation is so important. And I also think that that's why it's admirable that Kelly suggested we actually do this and he come here and talk to you guys. If he was some sort of nefarious Trojan horse, I don't think he would have done that.

• 57:20Speaker 03

  Okay, but I want to emphasize that he is, he's, has a big role. You have a big microphone right now. You are all over the news. You're, you're bipartisan news. You're all over the news right now. You have the ear of Trump and Kennedy and, and we need to convince you that, that no child should be given the option of getting this modified synthetic mRNA shot that, that has dire consequences if it goes wrong. And it doesn't go wrong in everybody, we know that. But there's different, there are varying degrees, varying numbers, 4%, 15%, 1 in 500, 1 in 800, serious adverse reaction. You should see the patients in my office that come to see me with these injuries.

• 58:00Speaker 03

  That they're, they're, it is, it is life-changing and there's nothing we can do for these people. It's very hard. They don't get better. And, and-

• 58:09Danny Jones?

  What, what kind of people are they? What age group? And, and what specifically-

• 58:12Speaker 03

  It's wide range. I have young people, I have older people. But it's so a lot of it's neurological, which is very difficult to fix. I don't see the myocarditis, the stroke, that sort of thing because I'm outpatient. But I see these people with a really chronic debilitating health problems. I looked at my new patient appointments and the two years following the rollout of the COVID shots. Seven percent of my new patients were coming to see me for injuries directly related to these COVID shots. They typically get the million dollar workup. They see a bunch of their doctors. They're never reported of virus. None of the patients that came to see me were reported of virus, even though the onset of their symptoms was in close proximity. And that's the other thing, VAERS, one percent, one percent. It's only a reflection of one percent and now I've lost my train of thought.

• 58:58Speaker 03

  Well, the injuries, yeah, so neurological. I see POTS, which is where the blood pressure just fluctuates up and down erratically with no triggers. And that's very difficult to treat.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  POTS is postural orthostatic hypertension.

• 59:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  It's caused by mitochondrial damage to cytochrome one in the mitochondria.

• 59:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, so and these people, there's just not a lot we can do for them, right? And there's they, they, you know, I would say a lot of people slowly get better. But, you know, I have one patient with severe vertigo, just won't go away. Young guy, ten years younger than me, otherwise healthy, just now completely debilitated, can barely walk. I have another patient with severe tremors. I mean, he's a CEO of a company. Maybe five years older than me, otherwise was previously healthy, now just can't stop shaking all the time, all the time.

• 59:52Speaker 03

  And another patient with severe unexplained pain in her flank. That, you know, she's had all these imaging studies, nothing shows up. She's previously healthy and just now she's just debilitated by this unexplained pain.

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  So let me tell you what I did. I was retired. I was a Bitcoin maxi and.

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  I got asked to do a, I guess you would call it a, a movie with McCullough and Malone. And it was so controversial that it had to be behind the paywall. And my part of the movie was kinda interesting. I reviewed the patents on the jabs before they came out. And I was the first one to notice that there was two legal definitions. And that's all I talked about as a doctor. You know what I did then, Mary? I went back to work, went back to the ICU, started going back two times every month. And I started seeing on average 13 people with clots, people dying.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  A week?

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then something very interesting happened that I really want to get into.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Started to see people from youngest was 17, oldest was 94, that would present with no history of cancer. And then they had stage four cancer. Callie, when your mom got cancer.

• 1:01:14Speaker 01

  Can you be a little kinder when you talk about my like?

• 1:01:17Speaker 02

  No, I'll be, I'll be kind. But you know, your mom did die during COVID, right? Didn't she?

• 1:01:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, she didn't get the vaccine.

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  Okay, let me ask you a question. Have you ever looked at her death certificate?

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Okay, so, so.

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  Have you ever looked at her death certificate?

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  Jack, Jack, Jack.

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  I'm just asking you a question.

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  Jack.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  Have you ever looked at the death certificate?

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Jack.

• 1:01:38Speaker 02

  It's a yes or no question.

• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  Jack, if you're gonna talk about personal stuff.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  You wanna call your sister up and ask her if she looked at it?

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  Hold on, bring a little more heart to this, Jack.

• 1:01:47Speaker 02

  No, this is, this is where the heart of the matter is, my friend.

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  Jack, Jack, can, can you take a, can we take a breath and can you just like?

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  I need an answer.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  Why are you being so angry about my mom's death?

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  Cause I think you're full of shit.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  You think?

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  I just told you, there's no trust.

• 1:02:01Speaker 01

  I'm full of shit about my mom's death?

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it's, it was a ruse. I don't think your mom's story, why you wrote that book is actually what you're telling everybody. And I want everybody to hear it straight from your mouth. That you're not lying to us because I'm gonna tell you something when you take a look at her death certificate. You might, I want to make sure that you're, you're really understand where I'm going. Your mom lived in California. When was the first person that got a jab? You know? December 10th. Okay, your mom died in January.

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  Casey is on record in podcast saying that your mother got diagnosed and died in 13 days from a stage four cancer. You have been on Tucker Carlson, you have been on Joe Rogan.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:02:53Speaker 02

  And you've told the world because your mother had a metabolic disease. That she died. Is that factually correct?

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  That she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and died 13 days later?

• 1:03:07Speaker 02

  And it was a stage four?

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  She was previously perfectly fine, correct? Correct? Correct?

• 1:03:14Speaker 01

  Jack.

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  You want me to pull the picture up from 2014 that shows you she was pretty good?

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  Jack.

• 1:03:19Speaker 02

  It's a yes or no question, brother.

• 1:03:21Speaker 01

  Jack.

• 1:03:21Speaker 02

  Answer the question.

• 1:03:23Speaker 01

  Jack, stop.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  No, I'm not going.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  Jack.

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  Answer the question.

• 1:03:27Speaker 01

  I'm answering the question.

• 1:03:28Danny Jones?

  All right, he's gonna answer now.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  She was feeling a little sluggish in the months before, but the pancreatic cancer diagnosis was a huge surprise.

• 1:03:38Speaker 02

  Okay, so let me ask you a question, where does she live?

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  Half of May, California.

• 1:03:42Speaker 02

  All right, so what do you know about COVID and California? In December of 2020 and, and January of 21? Anything a little bit unusual that you recall, because remember? You, this was your seminal event that you and your sister changed your life to write the book.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:04:01Speaker 02

  That 13 days. Because I've heard your sister and you say that. So I'm taking you, I believe you. So I want to talk about that issue.

• 1:04:12Speaker 01

  Well, I seem to be sharing that we're making that up.

• 1:04:16Speaker 02

  I didn't say that yet.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  You just did.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  No, I didn't.

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  You did.

• 1:04:19Speaker 02

  I didn't.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  But, but.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  But I'd like to ask you a question. I'd like to ask you a question.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  Let me answer the question. She was, so, yes, she was diagnosed and then there was 13 days that were very important to me and Casey.

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:04:34Speaker 01

  What's your question?

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  My question is, have you looked at her death certificate?

• 1:04:37Speaker 01

  I have not seen her death certificate. She died of pancreatic cancer.

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  Okay. Has your sister looked at the death certificate?

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  What are you getting at? I have not seen the death certificate.

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  I think you need to look at it. You know that all death certificates in California are public record, right?

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  You might want to take a look at that before you do your next podcast.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  How is that, Jack?

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  Because maybe your mother didn't die of a metabolic condition.

• 1:04:59Speaker 01

  Pancreatic cancer?

• 1:05:00Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  What did you?

• 1:05:01Speaker 02

  Why did, why did, why do you assume that pancreatic cancer is only a metabolic condition?

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  I think cancer is highly tied to metabolic health.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 1:05:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  Did you have Kevin McKeon in here a couple of weeks ago? What did he tell you about SV40 and all that?

• 1:05:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah, well, Kevin.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  Is that a metabolic condition?

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  Well, it impacts the cells. I mean, I mean, I think, I think.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  Callie, remember, you're not a doctor.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  I know. I think over prescription pharmaceuticals are causing a lot of issues to our metabolic health.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  But you just told us that your mom didn't take the jab.

• 1:05:35Speaker 01

  She didn't.

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  So she couldn't have been over prescribed, could she?

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  She didn't get the COVID jab?

• 1:05:39Speaker 02

  No, but when was she born?

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  Forty something, forty nine, forty six, yeah.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. She got the folia jab. Did you know that?

• 1:05:50Danny Jones?

  So you're saying it could have something to do with a jab that she got decades ago?

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  And maybe, and maybe, and maybe, Callie, let me ask you a question because you're a great lobbyist.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:06:01Speaker 02

  Why? Do you know that, do you know that SV40 is associated with rapid presentation of stage four pancreatic cancer? Did you know that? Yes or no?

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  Jack?

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  Yes or no? Remember, ignorance or fraud, bro.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  I'm not going to do this.

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  Where are we at?

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  This is.

• 1:06:17Danny Jones?

  All right, we have to, let's try to, Jack, let's just, let's try to be a little, let's try to be a little bit more reasonable, just talking to each other and.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  I think this is pretty reasonable.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  No. Jack, um.

• 1:06:28Speaker 01

  What's your question? Did I know? Hold on, hold on. So I am not aware of her getting any vaccines in a recent period to the cancer. I assume she was, you know, as we talk about, she was a product of the modern medical system and I think got probably all the vaccines that she was supposed to get.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  I think that's reasonable.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  Over her life.

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  Nobody would argue with you about that at all.

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

  Hold on, hold on. So, and then, and then my story, we can, I mean, I find this for fully good faith. I mean, we could talk about what you think happened, but my story that was implanted on my mom is she was a product of modern medical advice. You know, she ate ultra processed food and low fat diet. She probably had some tough things going on with her light and circadian rhythm and sleep dysregulation. You know, she, she, she was working to be active but was somewhat sedentary. You know, probably was over relying on pharmaceuticals. I don't know her whole vaccine history. She didn't get the COVID jab that wasn't available. And, you know, she was on other medications as we talked about.

• 1:07:35Speaker 02

  Just so you're clear, it was available in California when your mom was there. 271,000 people in California got the jab.

• 1:07:43Speaker 01

  But.

• 1:07:44Speaker 02

  And do you know, do you know the number?

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  Before January?

• 1:07:46Speaker 02

  Before. Do you know the number one place?

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. Okay.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  Where the jab was.

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  Are you suggesting my mom got the COVID jab?

• 1:07:54Speaker 02

  Cali.

• 1:07:54Speaker 01

  Is that what you're saying?

• 1:07:56Speaker 02

  Did I say that? Can I ask the question before, before you try to answer for me?

• 1:08:01Speaker 01

  You make a lot of suggestions. What are you saying?

• 1:08:03Speaker 02

  I'm saying to you.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  You're suggesting.

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  Do you know the reason why California got the jab early?

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:08:11Speaker 02

  Because there was many people from China that was over there.

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:08:14Speaker 02

  So the jab was given specifically at two major places. Do you know where those places were?

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  Probably Stanford.

• 1:08:21Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. And where else? In Los Angeles?

• 1:08:24Speaker 01

  Good.

• 1:08:25Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  Okay. Can I, can I? Good, good. So my story is that she had a multifactorial issues that are actually hard to pin down of modern society that are attacking her overall mitochondria, her metabolic health. I think that pancreatic cancer, many forms of cancer are highly tied to our cellular dysregulation and not tied to the absence of some cancer therapy, but a multifactorial complex group of factors.

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  Let me ask you a question. Do you think it's normal? I'm gonna let you, I'm gonna let you keep going on, but you have to remember something. You're not a doctor, and I am.

• 1:09:02Speaker 01

  Jack, I'm saying what.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  What I'm saying is, do you think it's normal for a 71-year-old woman to show up with a stage four pancreatic cancer?

• 1:09:12Speaker 01

  So we know how often that even happens.

• 1:09:14Speaker 02

  Very rarely. I do know.

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  Hold on, hold on. I think it's becoming more common. So I think pancreatic cancer generally is very deadly because you tell me if this doesn't jive with what your experience is, is that the stage four sneaks up on you very quickly and it does lay dormant for a long time and then it's known as soon that it appears and then you're out pretty quickly. So I do think that actual, it was pretty quick, but I think that pancreatic cancer's particularly tough with that because you, you, you basically start learning about it when it's very late, often stage four. So I think that actually is pretty common. And my understanding, Jack, is that pancreatic cancer rates, you know, 50 years ago was not really something you ever saw some with pancreatic cancer. And they are, like many forms of cancer, are

• 1:10:00Speaker 01

  increasing a lot. So while it's rare, I don't know, I'm meeting a lot of people whose parents have died very quickly from pancreatic cancer. I think it is increasing in rate.

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  Actually, the highest place in the United States, you know where it is? California.

• 1:10:14Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  And that's directly related to.

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  Let's talk about that. So you know that your sister used to have a previous history with 23andMe?

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  So, so, so no, I don't. Cause let me, let me, let me talk about that.

• 1:10:29Speaker 02

  So you don't know that?

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  No, no, no, hold on. Let me talk about that. Casey interned for 23andMe as a freshman or sophomore in college 16 years ago. She, she didn't interact with.

• 1:10:42Speaker 03

  She's called her a wonderful friend.

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  Hold on. I can give you the facts, you can dispute them or whatever you want. In the past 16 years, she's seen Anne Wojcicki, or whatever her name is, one time, where they were on a panel, they were on a panel together. The top health conference where Casey eviscerated the pharmaceutical industry to gas from the crowd, very average stereo. And one of them posted a picture referring to old friends as an old intern. She's seen Anne one time in 16 years, has never met Sergey. And those are the facts. So you can call that a lie.

• 1:11:20Speaker 03

  She did, when she posted on Instagram, she said, wonderful friend.

• 1:11:25Speaker 01

  There was a reference to them being an intern. Like, she does not know, she has seen Anne exactly once, has interacted with her exactly once in 16 years when that photo was taken.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  Hallie, do you know who's Anne's sister?

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• 1:12:09Speaker 01

  The...

• 1:12:11Danny Jones?

  Susan.

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  Susan, yeah. I don't know her.

• 1:12:13Speaker 02

  You don't, do you know anything about her?

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  I know she died of cancer, right?

• 1:12:16Danny Jones?

  She was the CEO of YouTube.

• 1:12:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, the one that pulled Kevin off for SV40.

• 1:12:22Speaker 01

  I don't know anything more than that.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  Do you know that she had an adenocarcinoma?

• 1:12:26Speaker 01

  No. I have no idea who, like...

• 1:12:28Speaker 02

  You know, it's special. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me, let me go. So what do you know about adenocarcinoma?

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  Very little.

• 1:12:37Speaker 02

  It's associated with cigarette smoking.

• 1:12:39Speaker 01

  My mom smoked.

• 1:12:40Speaker 02

  Would you be surprised?

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  Back in the day.

• 1:12:42Speaker 02

  Would you be surprised to know that Susan Wojcicki didn't smoke?

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  My mom, my mom did smoke, she stopped about 15 years ago.

• 1:12:49Speaker 02

  I'm not asking about your mom, though. I'm asking about Susan.

• 1:12:51Speaker 01

  Stop being so menacing, man.

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  I'm asking about Susan.

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  You have hate in your heart about this for some reason, I don't know. We'll have to look into your motivations, but...

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  You should have before you came here.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  I know them, and I actually have a respect for other people, I don't want to get into them. But, um, yeah, what, okay, so what's the deal with Susan?

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  Susan died of aggressive cancer as well.

• 1:13:11Speaker 01

  I heard that.

• 1:13:13Speaker 02

  You know that her son also died four months before her?

• 1:13:16Speaker 01

  I don't know that.

• 1:13:18Speaker 02

  Well, he did. He killed himself. Same cocktail of drugs that most of the school shooters out.

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  What was that cocktail?

• 1:13:25Speaker 02

  Uh, you, Steve can look it up. It's an SF gate. I'm not going to go through all the drugs. It's really not important for the story.

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  So the interesting thing is Susan and your mom both lived in California.

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:38Speaker 02

  Do you know that I couldn't find Susan's death certificate anywhere?

• 1:13:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:13:44Speaker 02

  But I could find your mom's.

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:13:47Speaker 02

  What do you think?

• 1:13:48Speaker 01

  I would assume that's because Susan is a prominent person and they might have covered it up or something.

• 1:13:52Speaker 02

  It's the law, Cali. Remember, you did intern at the White House and you were lobbyist and you know that the law applies to everybody except Hunter Biden.

• 1:14:00Speaker 01

  That's right. But, but, but, but, okay.

• 1:14:01Speaker 02

  So let me ask you a question.

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:14:04Speaker 02

  This is big tech. These guys are linked to the people that you used to work for and magically the death certificate's not there. So you know, Levels was paid for and a deck from A16Z.

• 1:14:19Speaker 01

  So, so, so, so, hold on, hold on. So Andreessen Horowitz is the largest venture capital firm in the country.

• 1:14:26Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 1:14:26Speaker 01

  And, um, after my sister left the medical system, she had a thesis that a lot of our conditions that are treated in silos, you guys probably agree with this, right? We treat things in silos. We have, you know, endocrinologists for diabetes and ENTs for head and neck, you know, sinusitis, it's, you know, they're all, these things are interconnected. So one small way to attack that, not everything, but one small way, she thought, is to give people continuous glucose monitors. It's changed my life. It like, it's a closed loop of what we're, what I'm eating. It's, you know, a couple hundred thousand people have gotten them. They don't share or, um, or sell data in any way, I think, as you suggested.

• 1:15:08Speaker 01

  And they raise money from Andreessen Horowitz, which I have not raised money from, um, this conspiracy.

• 1:15:14Speaker 02

  I haven't found anything that says you did.

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  I, I'd happily do it. I mean, you know, this conspiracy is, is new to me because, because, uh, they turned us down. But, um,

• 1:15:24Speaker 02

  So let, let's talk about what, where you think I'm going, because I'm not going there.

• 1:15:29Speaker 01

  You can go.

• 1:15:30Speaker 02

  So your sister likes to use continuous blood glucose monitors. In her book, the one that you co-wrote with her, so I'm assuming that you edited it with her.

• 1:15:43Speaker 02

  What was the number one technology used for people with poor sleep? Do you recall?

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  That we recommended?

• 1:15:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  A sleep monitor.

• 1:15:52Speaker 02

  Fitbit, wasn't it?

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  We recommend, we, we, we didn't try not to recommend too many brand names, but we.

• 1:15:58Speaker 02

  What, what, what does a Fitbit do?

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  It measures your, um, it measures various metrics around your sleep and heart rate.

• 1:16:06Danny Jones?

  HRV, that kind of stuff.

• 1:16:08Speaker 02

  Hold on a minute.

• 1:16:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:09Speaker 02

  Does, does it use non-native EMF?

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  So let me answer that. My understanding is Fitbit has lower EMF and scores lower on that, but.

• 1:16:20Speaker 02

  But does it use it?

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  Uh, I, I, I, honestly, I'd love to learn. I mean, I think the more I learn about.

• 1:16:28Speaker 02

  Every, every single thing that uses EMF raises blood glucose and insulin.

• 1:16:33Speaker 01

  I think that's maybe true.

• 1:16:34Speaker 02

  So guess what?

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:16:36Speaker 02

  You wrote the book in the middle of it.

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:16:39Speaker 02

  And you told everybody it's the best way to do it.

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  I, I think, I think trackers and understanding more about.

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  When did you write the book though? When did you write the book?

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  Hold on, hold on.

• 1:16:47Speaker 02

  Cause the book came out in what?

• 1:16:49Speaker 01

  Let's have a conversation. Let's have a conversation.

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  But the book came out in 22, 23?

• 1:16:53Speaker 01

  I wrote book 20, yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:54Speaker 02

  When did you start writing it?

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  20, 21, 22, 22, 23.

• 1:16:59Speaker 02

  Beginning of COVID. Right after your mom got sick.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, you started thinking about it, yeah.

• 1:17:04Speaker 02

  Okay. Do you know the paper for Nora Volka that when it came out that anything that is associated with non-native EMF?

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  I, I, listen, I think EMF is a huge problem.

• 1:17:13Speaker 02

  But do you know when the paper came out?

• 1:17:14Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:17:15Speaker 02

  Do you think your sister does?

• 1:17:17Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:17:18Speaker 02

  It was in 2011.

• 1:17:19Speaker 01

  Okay. So you're saying people shouldn't wear Fitbits?

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  No, what I'm saying is when you tell people that these are things related to a metabolic disease and then you're using non-native EMF to track it. Cause guess what? Chronic glucose monitors also do this.

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  What is the, what is the kind of point here? Cause I'm, I'm certainly open to that information and we could correct the book. I do think bio wearables are useful in understanding more data about your body, but.

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  I don't think they are at all.

• 1:17:48Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. I, I, I think honestly, that's a pretty small part of our whole message, but sure. I, I, I think that in the next, my personal opinion is the next 10 years. More personalized understanding what's happening in our body can supplant the doctor kind of construct that's totally failed. I think we have these discussions on what's more important, the pharmaceuticals, the light, the food. I think they're all, I think it's kind of dumb to stack them. Honestly, I think everyone should have an understanding of their biomarkers. Would we agree that our glucose, our fasting glucose, our HDL, our triglycerides, our blood pressure? Okay.

• 1:18:23Speaker 02

  I wouldn't. You're talking to the wrong guy about that. No, I actually.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  How would you measure success? Like from an internal, like personalized perspective? How would you measure success?

• 1:18:32Speaker 02

  Heteroplasmy. That's the only way. And, and the reason why I bring this up to you, and this, this is where me not being adversary with you, I find it very interesting that both you and your sister were caught with your pants down in 13 days about your mom, but never realized.

• 1:18:51Speaker 01

  Caught with our pants down?

• 1:18:52Speaker 02

  Meaning that you were, you were not ready for what happened.

• 1:18:56Speaker 01

  Our mom abruptly died.

• 1:18:56Speaker 02

  Right. But immediately you went to blame the food issues.

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  No, we didn't blame the food issues.

• 1:19:03Speaker 02

  Well, I mean.

• 1:19:04Speaker 01

  Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, we are on the scene and this is your question. Why are we here? The Tucker Carlson podcast is the most shared podcast this year. Okay? People listened to podcasts and shared it. Okay? That is, that is why we're here. And my advice, my PR advice is I think that's because Casey's talking from the heart and it connected with people. Okay? That is the truth. All this conspiracy stuff. I got to know Bobby. I met him a couple of times. I picked up the from, from the heart. I've talked to Trump folks a couple of times and I, from the heart, feeling very emotional after the Butler shooting, I said, there's a generation opportunity for unity. Maybe you should call Trump and I, I can try to help that make that happen. These are all like just personal, from the

• 1:19:48Speaker 01

  heart things. So you guys can either believe that or not. I think that Casey's putting out a lot of light and I'm certainly trying to. Do you see the point though? And the book, the book.

• 1:19:58Speaker 01

  Is not about Fruit Loops, Jack.

• 1:20:00Speaker 03

  Do you see my point, though, that, you know, we've been fighting a war for four years?

• 1:20:07Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:20:07Speaker 03

  And all of a sudden, no one's talking about it anymore, and we're all talking about seed oils?

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  Guys, guys, I think, I think the problem is- Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

• 1:20:17Speaker 02

  It's called the Hegel and dialect.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  Dude, dude, dude.

• 1:20:21Speaker 02

  And the place that you used to work specializes in it.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  You know what else is a tactic? To throw around bullshit to cause doubt on people. And like, say that people are connected-

• 1:20:30Speaker 02

  That's why we're here, Callie, for you to call bullshit on it.

• 1:20:32Speaker 01

  I am not here for you. I'm here because there's a lot of people listening. It's not about me that are skeptical of this. I think we have a generation opportunity. I have a lot of respect for you. I think you are seeing a lot of pain. Jack, I think your thoughts on the science are often very brilliant. And, you know, I don't really have any debate for them, other than the stack ranking. I mean, you know, listening to hours of your stuff, I just think it's like, you know, completely dismissing food. I mean, maybe it's stacked-

• 1:21:00Speaker 02

  It is. There's no question about it. I'll agree with you 100%.

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  That dismissing food is a factor-

• 1:21:06Speaker 02

  It's about five or six on the list.

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  Well, that might be, I think, when we start pinning down and trying to stack-

• 1:21:12Speaker 02

  Notice how I said the stuff that you and your sister are talking about. I'm actually okay with that. I have zero issues with it.

• 1:21:18Speaker 01

  Can I ask you, what, where's, where's the, what's the result of what we're trying to do then? If we're connected with Rockefeller and trying to subvert this agenda and bring it? What are, what are we, like, how have, why would I-

• 1:21:30Speaker 02

  Not focusing on the right things. Late technology, the jabs.

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  But why-

• 1:21:35Danny Jones?

  You think he's trying to take the eye off the ball?

• 1:21:36Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:21:36Speaker 03

  Well, mRNA is, this is not, we're not one and done with the COVID shot.

• 1:21:40Speaker 01

  Why would, why would I then work just to bring these issues so much into the, why would, why would I just try to-

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  You're a cast on the broken leg. In other words, you're gonna limit what Bobby can do in government.

• 1:21:51Speaker 01

  What Bobby can do.

• 1:21:51Speaker 02

  There's you and a lot of people that are around these globalist entities that are being placed in the cabinet right now.

• 1:21:58Speaker 01

  I'm not going into cabinet.

• 1:21:59Speaker 03

  Lot of, of, of.

• 1:22:00Speaker 02

  We know that.

• 1:22:01Speaker 03

  If the COVID shots get pulled off the market, a whole industry of biotech is going to go down. It's, it's a big deal, right? So the people with the vested interests in mRNA are going to use every tactic they can to keep it alive.

• 1:22:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:22:16Speaker 03

  And so that's why we're suspicious. We're suspicious. And maybe you're an unwitting agent. Maybe, maybe they're using you. You have no idea.

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 1:22:22Speaker 03

  But we, we just, there's a, there's a technique called misdirection. It's a war, it's a war technique.

• 1:22:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:22:29Speaker 03

  And it just kind of all falls into place.

• 1:22:31Speaker 01

  But, but, but, but gaming this out. So, so we write a book, Eviscerating the Pharmaceutical Industry. We go on podcast, Eviscerating the Pharmaceutical Industry. I think you're giving me way too much credit, but I do whatever I help to put these ideas to help.

• 1:22:46Speaker 02

  Did the pharmaceutical industry distribute the job?

• 1:22:52Speaker 02

  No. Department of Defense did. So who's the pharmaceutical industry in this story? They were just the drug dealers.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  But Jack, I'm just saying, I'm just trying to game out your, your, your argument is so, so I.

• 1:23:04Speaker 02

  My argument is I want you to actually make an accurate diagnosis. In fact, I'm not holding your feet to the fire. Really as bad as I hold your sister's feet to the fire.

• 1:23:14Speaker 01

  Well, well, my sister, my sister, as you might know, is, you know, I think said stuff from the heart. That's impacted people and is not, you know, as much in the day to day of this political thing. I'm very passionate, Jack, about figuring out how to create and think about policies that accomplish goals that I, I'm pretty sure that we're all aligned with in the most fast and radical way. Um, again, I strongly believe that that is when it comes to pharmaceutical products.

• 1:23:50Speaker 01

  Having an emphasis in the next six months on a radical transparency agenda. I, I do think that is.

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  And see, I disagree with you on that. And I've made that case. I've already made the case.

• 1:24:00Speaker 01

  But, but, but.

• 1:24:00Speaker 02

  But I've actually done something that you haven't done.

• 1:24:03Speaker 01

  Jack, I'm working in the, I'm working to, to, to do stuff. We both are and I have no.

• 1:24:07Speaker 02

  We're not working on, on the same goals. My goal is to eradicate.

• 1:24:10Speaker 01

  What? That eradicate what?

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  All the vaccines.

• 1:24:14Speaker 01

  My goal is to eradicate chronic disease.

• 1:24:18Speaker 03

  Why do you think nobody has been appointed that has been outspoken about taking the COVID shots off the market? So, nobody has gotten a position.

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  Do you think it's the best idea just to ban them? Or do you think it's the best idea?

• 1:24:31Speaker 02

  The mRNA platform needs to be banned.

• 1:24:33Speaker 01

  Do you think?

• 1:24:33Speaker 02

  The other vaccines, I'm okay with the transparency and discussing.

• 1:24:37Speaker 03

  If they want to save face, they could just say, hey, we're gonna, we're gonna pull it off the market while we do further studies. That would be a very easy way to save face and not, you know.

• 1:24:45Speaker 01

  Mary, do you want to chat? I mean, I'm not trying to be like, I, you were giving me way too much credit, but like, like, let's figure out the best strategy to get your research out there and get a path to what you think could happen. I mean, I mean, there are like, like, like, like, I feel like my, my story is that actually talking about any type of strategy you feel is not, this is my story, I'm not saying that you think, is, is like not, um, is almost like suspicious. If, if you're talking about any type of like, like, as a, as a, as a definitive statement, no, I do not think the platform of everyone in government right now to immediately pull everything, I do not think that's the appropriate, um, political feasibility.

• 1:25:29Speaker 03

  It's not about politics, it's about health.

• 1:25:31Speaker 01

  Well, no, no, no, no, getting, getting something done in this generational moment is about politics, I have to say, Mary, it is.

• 1:25:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I disagree with that, too.

• 1:25:39Speaker 03

  I just, I just.

• 1:25:40Speaker 02

  That's why I wrote a constitutional amendment.

• 1:25:42Speaker 01

  Jack, we're on, we're on, like, like, I think the fact that, I mean, honestly, my, my main issue is like, we're kind of thinking about maybe even different, like, like, I think it's perfectly appropriate to ask, and this is frankly not where Casey's thinking. Casey's thinking about more of a spiritual level, like, I'm thinking more about like, what can be done in the next year. And, you know, that's different than like what the moral imperative is. I'm tell, I feel a ton, I know you see the kids and people every day, and that's harrowing. Like, I feel like I have a pretty deep, you know, concern for what's happening to America's children and like what's happening to America. I think we're, we're being slaughtered right now. And like, I, I think, I think what I am, where my brain goes is like how to translate that into, into policy.

• 1:26:26Speaker 01

  Now, there could be big disagreements with that, and there should be massive like outside agitation and challenging on everything, but like.

• 1:26:34Speaker 01

  The immediate going to like that we're working with Rockefeller and like, you know.

• 1:26:40Speaker 02

  The point that I tried to make to you earlier, and I don't think you've done a good job, but the cool thing is the audience will decide this.

• 1:26:47Speaker 01

  Where are you at?

• 1:26:49Speaker 02

  Ignorance.

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  Well, you think I'm ignorant?

• 1:26:51Speaker 02

  Well, I do. And I think your sister's more ignorant than you are.

• 1:26:55Speaker 01

  We might be unwittingly.

• 1:26:56Speaker 02

  But my concern coming in here is that there's a line between ignorance and fraud. And what I'm trying to do.

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  What are we frauding?

• 1:27:04Speaker 02

  I think you could be a front for the globalist and the big tech guys.

• 1:27:08Speaker 01

  Then why would we, why would our central message be eviscerating the pharmaceutical industry?

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  Because you want to get into the administration so that you can hamper things. That's what Fabians do. The Fabians are the ones behind the council of.

• 1:27:20Speaker 01

  Why wouldn't I have just tried to like, not have this message get on the center? Like, why wouldn't I have just like?

• 1:27:25Speaker 02

  I just told you the reason why.

• 1:27:27Speaker 01

  Because you want.

• 1:27:28Speaker 02

  People like me are blocking you from doing it. Yeah. Well, that's the truth. That is absolutely the truth.

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  What do you mean by that?

• 1:27:37Speaker 02

  Just what I said. I've told the right people that they need to be concerned about you two until you come on a podcast and to your credit, I'll be the first one to give you this credit. Danny told me that you backed out until 25 and then you said, no, with Jack saying, let's do this now.

• 1:27:55Speaker 01

  Until what?

• 1:27:56Speaker 02

  Next year. Let's talk about this now because you know what?

• 1:28:00Speaker 01

  No, he's talking about when we originally had a podcast scheduled and then you had to reschedule it till 2025.

• 1:28:05Speaker 02

  And now you're back in. You said, let's, let's talk. That's great. I'm glad that we're here talking about, because to be honest with you, I'm giving you the olive ranch. I want you to actually set the record straight because the audience, I can tell you right now, this is gonna be a very simple litmus test. Is it ignorant or is it fraud? Which one are people gonna go on? You know, there's gonna be people that make comments after this. Just the way we look at each other, the way we talk to each other, the, the issues that have been presented. And I do really want to hear.

• 1:28:40Speaker 01

  Go ahead. What do you want to hear?

• 1:28:41Speaker 02

  From you because there's things about your family.

• 1:28:45Speaker 01

  What concerns you about my family?

• 1:28:47Speaker 02

  The books your dad's written. These are, these are really concerning. We know that what his history is.

• 1:28:53Speaker 01

  Let's go through this quick. Let's go through this.

• 1:28:54Speaker 02

  Well, no, you, well, this is what I'm trying to say. You will not let me finish any points here. Well, the bottom line is your family is painted with a globalist brush. There's not even a question. No, no, no. By their actions.

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  No, no, no. But, but, by, by, Jack. The book that your father wrote.

• 1:29:14Danny Jones?

  I think we're spending, hold on, I think.

• 1:29:15Speaker 02

  The book your father wrote is directly tied to Richard.

• 1:29:23Speaker 02

  Who you used to work for. His wife is a D E I leader. In the world economic.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  Okay, okay, okay. Can I, can I? So, so, um, I think we're probably spending too much time on me, but can take it wherever you want.

• 1:29:38Speaker 02

  Jack. We just need you to answer the question, Kelly. That's all we need to do. And you're not doing a good job of it.

• 1:29:45Speaker 01

  Thank you for that analysis. Can.

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  What, what's the question?

• 1:29:51Speaker 02

  Kelly, I think, um, your non-answer is an answer.

• 1:29:56Danny Jones?

  Specifically, what was the question?

• 1:29:57Speaker 01

  Jack, what is the question?

• 1:29:58Speaker 02

  Question is, is it ignorance or is it fraud?

• 1:30:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:30:05Speaker 02

  Um, why would you laugh at that?

• 1:30:07Speaker 01

  Because, because I think.

• 1:30:08Speaker 02

  It's a very uncomfortable laugh, my friend.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  Okay, because I think, I think, um.

• 1:30:13Speaker 02

  I haven't laughed too much during this podcast. I've been looking directly at you, looking to see your answer. And it really bothers me that this is difficult for you. I bet you if I asked you the question.

• 1:30:25Speaker 01

  There's nothing difficult.

• 1:30:26Speaker 02

  If we could ban high fructose corn syrup, you'd have no problem saying.

• 1:30:29Speaker 01

  Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I don't think we should ban high fructose corn syrup. It's the exact same answer I'd give on the COVID vaccines. I think we need mass transparency.

• 1:30:37Danny Jones?

  I think I would agree with you in the sense that.

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  And Jack, hold on. Jack, um, no, I would not say we should ban high fructose corn syrup. I don't think bans are politically a good thing to do. I think transparency is. So I would absolutely not say to ban.

• 1:30:51Danny Jones?

  Getting corruption out of the social media platforms like YouTube and Twitter and all of these social media platforms that are basically monopolies that control all information in the world.

• 1:30:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:00Danny Jones?

  And making it so they cannot be infiltrated by government agencies or Big Pharma.

• 1:31:05Speaker 02

  How about, how about the Rockefeller Foundation or the people that are behind all the? These PR firms, because that's who's doing all this stuff.

• 1:31:13Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 1:31:13Danny Jones?

  I'm talking about the conversations specifically, like conversations like we have with Kevin.

• 1:31:16Speaker 01

  Kevin, right.

• 1:31:17Danny Jones?

  Where they get taken up. So when you have somebody who's questioning these things, there is a policy called the medical misinformation policy on YouTube, which we, I'll make it very clear upfront when we, before we release this podcast, I'll put a little stinger up there that says that we're clearly not doing that here. That none of this is medical information. But there are policies that are written in there that are very loose, that can take things with anybody who questions any of these stuff, can completely wipe it off the internet. That's when you Google her name, when you type her name into YouTube, there's nothing.

• 1:31:46Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:31:46Danny Jones?

  Except for literally one minute clips from like news stations, talking about how she got beat by the Methodist hospital.

• 1:31:53Speaker 01

  Okay, we've got a lot going on here. Let me, let me try to, and then, um, Jack, uh, no, I'm laughing because the idea of my dad's book, Felix the Flamingo, which is a book that sold 50 copies that he wrote for a dear friend of the family's who contemplated suicide after being in the closet as a gay man for a long time. And he wrote a book about acceptance and it's a magical flamingo who is different.

• 1:32:24Danny Jones?

  It's a book about a gay flamingo. I read it.

• 1:32:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a book, it's a book about a flamingo that's different. It's, it has nothing to do with trans and, um.

• 1:32:31Speaker 02

  Has a lot to do though with the globos.

• 1:32:34Danny Jones?

  About with what?

• 1:32:35Speaker 02

  With the globos that are in control.

• 1:32:37Speaker 01

  The who?

• 1:32:39Danny Jones?

  The globalists?

• 1:32:40Speaker 01

  The globalists.

• 1:32:41Speaker 02

  Correct. The Rockefellers.

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  Jack, he hired, Jack, Jack, he hired a illustrator on Upwork and worked for a month as a side project on a book as a tribute to a good friend who was closeted and gay.

• 1:32:59Speaker 02

  Right, which fits the ideology of the Council of Foreign Relations, which your dad was also a member.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  He was not a member. He got, he is never a member in any way, shape or form of the Council for Relations.

• 1:33:09Speaker 02

  I don't know if that's so true, my friend.

• 1:33:11Speaker 01

  He actually, when, when a family friend put me on it, is just on that list a couple years ago, I think before COVID.

• 1:33:18Danny Jones?

  How did that happen, by the way? How did they put you on the list?

• 1:33:20Speaker 01

  Chelsea Gabberts in the count, this is a massive, like prestigious thing. I, I, I think it's very.

• 1:33:25Speaker 02

  Is it really prestigious?

• 1:33:26Speaker 01

  No, I think it's actually terrible.

• 1:33:28Danny Jones?

  Hold on, I want to understand.

• 1:33:29Speaker 01

  I, I actually, no, Jack, like, this is, this is my, this is me. Like, this is what I bring to this. I racked up these plottets. Like, that was my, like. Um, that was my issue.

• 1:33:42Speaker 02

  For you to climb the ladder?

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:45Speaker 02

  So that's what you're saying?

• 1:33:46Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:33:46Speaker 02

  So because you use that, you thought that you could get points in DC? So like, can I ask you a question? And I accept that. I accept that. I accept that 100%.

• 1:33:55Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:33:55Speaker 02

  So let me ask you a question. This gets to really the heart of the matter. Tell me about a place where you want to climb the ladder with that kind of stuff? Being an accolade like, would, would you and I put that as an accolade to climb up the ladder?

• 1:34:09Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't consider CFR an accolade. I, I, I think you're digging into any, like you've dug in and it seemed like higher investigators. And you've found Felix the flamingo, the fact that I've been to one CFR meeting. And then trying to slam me on the fact that I used to work for lobbying and public affairs firms, which is central to my message. Those are the three things you found after, I know, and I know something about you, Jack. Sending a lot of energy, not with the goal of getting to truth, but the goal of criticizing us. So.

• 1:34:37Speaker 02

  No, actually, I'm actually, I'm here to try and get to the truth. To find out where we are.

• 1:34:43Speaker 01

  The three, just to be clear, the three, the three things you have is that the, that my dad wrote a children's book. That I went to one Council on Foreign Relations meeting, which is central to my story about trying to rack up these.

• 1:34:54Speaker 02

  And you, and you worked for an MK Ultra sponsored.

• 1:34:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but he didn't know that.

• 1:35:00Speaker 02

  Did you, could you not, did you know that?

• 1:35:01Speaker 01

  How could I not know that as a 23 year old? What are you talking about?

• 1:35:04Speaker 02

  I mean, you never, you never looked up the name of the guy on, on that you worked for?

• 1:35:09Danny Jones?

  It's possible he didn't know the guy.

• 1:35:10Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't know. I, I actually don't know what, still, I, I've listened to your stuff on this. Jack, like.

• 1:35:18Speaker 02

  So you don't know who, you don't know who Daniel Edelman is? In the beginning of this podcast, you just mentioned that you did.

• 1:35:24Speaker 01

  Of course I know who he is.

• 1:35:25Speaker 02

  And you knew his son? So you don't see that that ideology is the same ideology that's present?

• 1:35:31Speaker 01

  Daniel Edelman died, Richard Edelman.

• 1:35:33Speaker 02

  2013.

• 1:35:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:35:35Speaker 02

  And then the son took over.

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, he, he was.

• 1:35:37Speaker 02

  The ideology of both of these people are very similar to what's in your dad's book. In fact, Richard's new wife, Richard's new wife is the DEI expert for the web.

• 1:35:47Speaker 01

  So, so Jack, just to, just to tease out what you're saying, if you could listen to me in good faith.

• 1:35:53Speaker 01

  My story is attacking this DC tactics of kind of what you're describing in K Ultra. Like, like that's what we did with food and pharmaceuticals and cigarettes. Like, like, like calling those out, that's why I came on the scene two years ago. I started talking about how we used to pay the NAACP to say that Coke was basically fine and racist to ban it on food stamps. It's like that, that, those tactics are very dark and

• 1:36:22Speaker 02

  But you know, those weren't the tactics of MK Ultra, right? You know what the tactics were, right? You said you listened to the podcast.

• 1:36:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:36:30Danny Jones?

  Cold War mind control.

• 1:36:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, light, light, non-native EMF, stuff that's in your book.

• 1:36:34Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:36:35Speaker 02

  Stuff that's in your book.

• 1:36:36Speaker 01

  So if Richard, it was part of a mind control. Hold on, if Richard was part of a mind control, that, that's news to me and like, maybe. I, I didn't know about that. Um, but so let me just, let me just, so I, I work for these companies. And, um, what are the other ones? The CFR, I mean, that's who I am.

• 1:36:55Speaker 02

  So much the CFR, my, my real concern. Yeah, but my real concern, and I think you've really, you've tried to dance around this fact.

• 1:37:02Speaker 01

  What's the direct question? I'm happy to address.

• 1:37:04Speaker 02

  The agent for your book is a left person.

• 1:37:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:37:07Speaker 02

  It's a left person, so it seems very

• 1:37:09Speaker 01

  A left?

• 1:37:10Danny Jones?

  WEF.

• 1:37:11Speaker 02

  WEF person.

• 1:37:12Speaker 01

  Davos person. Okay.

• 1:37:14Speaker 02

  So guess what? These are the people you're running away from, but yet that's the agent selling your book?

• 1:37:18Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 1:37:18Speaker 02

  And then you use non-native EMF?

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 1:37:20Speaker 02

  Fitbits and chronic glucose monitors? That's what I'm hearing.

• 1:37:24Speaker 01

  I think that they

• 1:37:25Speaker 02

  That's what I'm hearing.

• 1:37:25Speaker 01

  They did Rick Rubin's book, well.

• 1:37:27Speaker 02

  No, they didn't.

• 1:37:29Speaker 01

  Oh, well, he had a, he had a top agent too. We taught, listen, this is, let me just

• 1:37:33Speaker 02

  Rick is gonna have a top agent, but not a top WEF agent.

• 1:37:37Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no. It's not, if you Google top healthcare book agents, this, these guys

• 1:37:43Speaker 02

  I, I agree, keep going. All of them are tied to Agenda 2030.

• 1:37:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:37:51Speaker 02

  So are you ignorant of that fact? Or is it fraudulent?

• 1:37:54Speaker 03

  How did you find your agent?

• 1:37:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:37:56Speaker 02

  Let's talk about it.

• 1:37:57Speaker 01

  Great. Well, the World Economic Forum called me and said, we want you to write a book about how the pharmaceutical industry and the globalist agenda is evil. And then they connected me to their special agent. And then, this is the key part, they put a gun to a million Americans' heads to buy the book in the past six months. And they made everyone listen to my sister and my podcast and connect from the heart.

• 1:38:25Speaker 02

  So you don't think that your previous friends-

• 1:38:27Speaker 01

  They did a mind control experiment.

• 1:38:29Speaker 02

  Your previous friends in history had no help in propping you up. So you don't believe that's the case?

• 1:38:36Speaker 01

  No, I tweeted something and Tucker Carlson's producer DM'd me. Do you want to see it?

• 1:38:40Speaker 02

  No, I don't need to.

• 1:38:41Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:38:42Speaker 02

  Because I think the audience is going to listen to this podcast and draw their own conclusions.

• 1:38:46Speaker 01

  And what would that conclusion be in your opinion?

• 1:38:48Speaker 02

  We're gonna find out.

• 1:38:49Speaker 01

  So, but Jack, what's your conclusion?

• 1:38:52Speaker 02

  I think-

• 1:38:52Speaker 01

  You think I'm working with the World Economic Forum on my book?

• 1:38:54Speaker 02

  No, I actually think you are a little bit nefarious and you're not trustworthy.

• 1:39:00Speaker 01

  So what's your conclusion?

• 1:39:01Speaker 02

  I thought, coming in here, that you would state the case because you're a pretty eloquent speaker. You've not been eloquent today at all.

• 1:39:08Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:39:09Speaker 02

  And I thought ignorance was a fair game. But the more you've talked today, the more I feel like there is actually something there. Now, do I know what the something is? I don't, but I would say to you, and I think you could discuss this both with Mary and your sister, in medicine, when you're not sure about something, we have something called the precaution principle, meaning we should be careful. So I think anybody who listens to this podcast that's in Washington DC should know who you are and be careful with you before they put you on another podcast, before they give you a platform, before they stick a microphone in your face. That's all I'm saying.

• 1:39:50Speaker 01

  Okay, well, that's what you thought before.

• 1:39:51Speaker 02

  You could be a great guy.

• 1:39:52Speaker 01

  That's what you thought before.

• 1:39:53Speaker 02

  You could be a great guy.

• 1:39:54Speaker 01

  Jack, that's what you thought before, and I knew you were coming in with bad faith. But I want the people to decide I agree with that. So, um, let's, I'll happily answer anything. But on the agent front-

• 1:40:09Speaker 01

  When you, so I spent a year writing the book. Then we asked various friends in the health community to introduce us to various agents. We spoke to five different agents through connections of health folks that we all know. Those are who made the introductions. We have a fantastic agent who has done books from all different ideological perspectives. I don't even know how this world economic form, I don't, do not think Richard did Carl Schwab's book.

• 1:40:41Speaker 02

  Actually did.

• 1:40:44Speaker 01

  Who's the name of this guy? We can have Steve look it up. The agency, people can, people can, the agency's Inc. Well, it's one of the largest.

• 1:40:51Speaker 02

  The point that Callie's making is a good point because most of the diet books that are out there actually do have ties back to the same group of people. And this is the same thing that goes on with media. This isn't not something that is, is linked so much to Callie and Casey. This is actually a real problem that I have with all authors with those books.

• 1:41:13Speaker 01

  Well, Jack, let me, let me, let me, let me give you behind the scenes from where I said, we got an agent. He then brought it to market. We got various offers. We went with Penguin and then we wrote the book and had very little oversight on it. I'd say like overall from the publishing, you know, it's a little bit, it's a little bit woke and we had some back and forth with people. I think.

• 1:41:36Speaker 02

  None of that, none of that do I, I have a real big problem with. I just think that, that that kind of stuff needs to be talked about.

• 1:41:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:45Speaker 02

  I think the big, the big issue I have with it is the fact that it was a big.

• 1:41:50Speaker 01

  Adam Grant, you know, Falk, no, it's, go up, go up. He's the, Bryan Cranston, I mean, I don't know. I mean, these are just like, whatever. So yeah, he's got a lot of, he's got a ton of clients. So Jack, people can make their own decision, but like.

• 1:42:08Danny Jones?

  Like, this is like the circle.

• 1:42:09Speaker 01

  Like, we, like, Jack, this is what I'm trying to get from you and like, you know, people can be skeptical. You're right. I mean, like, everyone should be skeptical, everyone.

• 1:42:17Speaker 02

  You gotta question everything these days. That's the point that Mary and I are trying to bring up.

• 1:42:21Speaker 01

  That's why I'm here. And to me, I actually, I actually.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  I applaud you for coming to do this.

• 1:42:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, and Jack, okay, I'm trying to talk from the heart of your like, um, I do feel uncomfortable talking about myself. Like, I don't usually, so I might be more articulate, like, I think it's not even worth people's time. I think there is this larger issue in this moment of like, trust. And I think that's important. I think what you said, it's like, you should have a bad feeling about everyone. I mean, okay, I, I think, I think you're being a little bit like on a, on a jihad here, but, um,

• 1:42:50Speaker 02

  You're right, I am. My goal is to take apart centralized medicine. But not, not, not the way you're doing it, but my, my own way.

• 1:42:59Speaker 01

  Well, I, I might ask you to like, I mean, listen, I, I don't, I, I get in huge arguments. I've had huge public issues with people from traditional medicine. I don't think we should be building consensus necessarily right now. I don't think you have any obligation to like me or work with me at all, like, like.

• 1:43:15Speaker 02

  Consensus is pseudoscientific.

• 1:43:17Speaker 01

  I agree. I agree. I agree with that. I, I don't think this is a time where we should be building consensus and like, or that necessarily the goal is for us to like.

• 1:43:23Speaker 02

  I think that's the point that Mary's been trying to get you to realize when you talked to her on the phone those two times and you guys got into a heated discussion. You have to realize what, what this lady has been through.

• 1:43:34Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:43:35Speaker 02

  Is horrible. I haven't been through what she went through.

• 1:43:39Speaker 01

  Well, well, I, so.

• 1:43:40Speaker 02

  They're going after her, they're going after her livelihood and putting her in debt.

• 1:43:44Speaker 01

  Hold on, let me, let me finish this and, um, just, just if we're going through the stories here, um, we got an agent, got a publisher, wrote the book. We have no PR whatsoever. The Tucker Carlson episode really resonated, I believe, from my sister's heart. I've been on some other podcasts. This whole political thing, I think you're getting some misinformation on some of that. I have tried the best I possibly can to have good energy and a good heart with this and work to bring people together to communicate this idea. And I've been a small player in that. There's many other people we know who've been warriors in that. And I think you, in many ways, have been a warrior in that. And I think there's a

• 1:44:27Speaker 01

  mass consciousness, a mass awakening. So that's where my heart is. And then I think on the distracting of the message, you know, I just would like tease that out, what the logic is. I aggressively, I aggressively like want to, but my hope is that we have decentralized medicine, is that we have a true paradigm shift in how medicine is looked at as a more interconnected, you know, root causes that we incentivize, that we have

• 1:45:07Speaker 01

  full transparent science, that we, that we, you know, my company, you know, the Flexibility HSAs, I think, I think it would be amazing if people had control over their healthcare dollars, could read your stuff, and actually, instead of getting drugged, you know, could look at light therapy or red lights or whatever other type of modalities you recommend. Like, I think everyone should be on a journey like you guys have been on. And I think we should have, you know, no mandates. And, and I think even just as bad as mandates is our standard of care in Medicare Medicaid, where it's the AMA top-down, basically, you're getting a pill if you're sick. Like, we don't have any curiosity that we engender for people.

• 1:45:49Speaker 01

  So, so those are the main principles that I try to talk about and, and really fully believe in. And, you know, that's who I am. I don't, I don't even know what I'd, how I'd be Kind of my whole thing with your stuff. It's like, what, what, what is my goal in your head like?

• 1:46:09Speaker 02

  I, I think you're, I think your goal, and, and I think this is the point that I, I really do think you're missing.

• 1:46:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:46:18Speaker 02

  Is that you have wanted to climb in the swamp from being a little boy and you've done a pretty good job. I will tell you that, that I, I think you have done a really good job. So you have to realize when I see a young man who's trained at two institutions that I absolutely fucking hate.

• 1:46:38Speaker 01

  Which is fair.

• 1:46:40Speaker 02

  And then meteoric rise. And then just so you know, I turned down Tucker Carlson because he's part of the problem.

• 1:46:48Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:46:49Speaker 02

  I would never go on Joe Rogan for the same reason, because he's also tied to the global elites.

• 1:46:56Speaker 01

  How was Rogan tied to the global?

• 1:46:57Speaker 02

  We'll talk about that later. But the bottom line is I've been very public about both of those things. When I did, when I did the Rick Rubin podcast, I didn't answer him for six weeks. Why? Cause he wanted me to talk to, to Huberman and Huberman's part of the SRI crew. The SRI crew, Stanford Research Institute. That's who became MKUltra after and then goes to the brain health initiative. I don't expect you to know any of this because you're not a doctor.

• 1:47:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:47:25Speaker 02

  I don't think that you're going to know these things, but I believe the people that are steering, where you're going and what you're doing and your message.

• 1:47:36Speaker 01

  Well, nobody's steering, Jack. Like, like I don't.

• 1:47:38Speaker 02

  I actually think they, I think there's a reason you wound up.

• 1:47:41Speaker 01

  You're saying that I'm lying then.

• 1:47:42Speaker 02

  No, I'm not saying you're lying. I'm actually giving you the benefit of the doubt right now.

• 1:47:46Speaker 01

  Jack, Jack, Jack. This is, this, then there might be mind control or we're puppets in a larger plan, but, but this is the truth. My sister has great and I think is the best communicator on these holistic concepts that I've ever heard has deeply spiritually impacted me. And we were deeply impacted by our mom's death without full answers, but that there's this multifactorial thing. And we started talking about that. And then I think the energy, as you've seen, Jack, like when you start saying truth, energy starts coming to you. And then we've, we've gone on these podcasts and, and I think connected with people from the heart. So.

• 1:48:20Speaker 02

  But you have to realize there's a reason that you haven't connected with me and Mary.

• 1:48:24Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no.

• 1:48:25Speaker 02

  No, you haven't.

• 1:48:26Speaker 01

  Hold on.

• 1:48:27Speaker 02

  Because it's not a food story.

• 1:48:29Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no. Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack.

• 1:48:31Speaker 02

  It's a vaccine story.

• 1:48:33Speaker 01

  I call Mary right away and I, I try to connect with everyone. I think there's a very generally, Jack, I think this has been pretty positive. I do think generally most people, we know a lot of people that follow you really feel like we're in a really interesting moment while there's still many dark forces that we can actually, you know, maybe change consciousness in the country. So I, I, I don't.

• 1:48:52Speaker 03

  You said that you would not ban anything, the starch.

• 1:48:56Speaker 01

  Well, not necessarily anything, but, but not high fructose corn syrup.

• 1:48:59Speaker 03

  Because Kennedy, there's, there's this.

• 1:49:01Speaker 01

  That's fake.

• 1:49:02Speaker 03

  We're going, what's fake?

• 1:49:03Speaker 01

  The high fructose corn syrup ban thing that was going around.

• 1:49:06Speaker 03

  Well, no, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the, the fact that Kennedy is, or Trump is going to declare a state of emergency for, for health. Right? And here we go, COVID all over again. What is going to be, what are the proclamations going to be made in this emergency declaration on chronic health?

• 1:49:22Speaker 01

  So, so, so I am outside and I'm speaking for myself. There were a lot of ideas thrown out during the campaign. I don't see a ton of appetite, just, and, and just my personal opinion is a COVID era state of emergency using COVID powers. I think there is an emergency happening, but I don't think that's like first on the agenda from my opinion. I think there is this tactical question, which we could all talk about of what practically should be done in the next, the first hundred days. And I think that's a public conversation happening with everybody. And I think, I think, I think that my opinion, and this might sound woo woo, but we need to change consciousness about health in the country. We need to be

• 1:50:04Speaker 01

  smart about doing big things, not being incremental, not finding consensus, not trying to make friends with everybody. But there are many people in the country that are starting to wake up more towards the world that you guys see, and I think very interrelated to what I see. And I do think Bobby's gonna come and go, Trump's gonna come and go. The biggest victory we could possibly have is that the vast majority of Americans can't go back and see health in a different way. And I think that would be a huge win. So I, yeah, I have, I have some issues. I think we're in an emergency, probably not an emergency order. If you're asking where I think the prioritization should be, I think, really going hard at conflicts of interest and transparency would be two good places to start.

• 1:50:49Speaker 03

  You've talked to Trump, I take, a lot. So have you talked to Trump about the vaccine?

• 1:50:53Speaker 01

  I haven't, I haven't talked to Trump a lot. I've

• 1:50:56Speaker 03

  Well, how did you orchestrate? You called him.

• 1:50:57Speaker 01

  So, so, so, so, I don't know, talk about this. The things like the Tucker podcast, and you guys have probably seen this, people reach out, Rick Rubin, I don't, you know, Nicole, like, who

• 1:51:12Speaker 02

  No, they're friends, they're friends of mine. There's a difference. They're friends and patients of mine. So there's a difference there.

• 1:51:18Speaker 01

  Okay, well, I've, I've made some good alliances with others. I'm just saying, people, like, the energy that you put out brings interesting people to you. And like, we have been, like, I've been connected to Trump advisors, you know, in the past year, who I think really care about the chronic disease issue. And Trump talked about it very eloquently before the Bobby endorsement, and got to know Bobby. Not that particularly well, but, but there's, you know, a vibe here, and I think a vibe that he led and, and communicated that was really optimistic and connected with a lot of people. So

• 1:51:53Speaker 03

  What's going on behind the scenes with, is anybody talking about the COVID shots?

• 1:51:57Speaker 01

  I can tell you, I can tell you, I can, I can tell you exactly what's happening behind the scenes.

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• 1:52:32Speaker 01

  There's very little ideology and it is full on discussions of the childhood chronic disease crisis and the fact that kids are getting so sick.

• 1:52:40Speaker 03

  But nothing about those COVID shots.

• 1:52:41Speaker 01

  I think, I think there's, no.

• 1:52:42Speaker 03

  Because he loves Operation Warp Speed, right? Trump and all of the advisors and everybody that he has put in, in positions of power. Other than, you know, Jay Bhattacharya has said on X that he agrees that the COVID shot should be pulled off the market because he signed the Hope Accord, although the Hope Accord does not have it on their website. But other than that, everybody, you know, look at the Surgeon General pick. I mean, that's a, that's a nightmare.

• 1:53:08Speaker 01

  I think there's a deep.

• 1:53:09Speaker 03

  And Dr. Oz is a complete nightmare.

• 1:53:11Speaker 02

  Who is the Surgeon General pick? I'm a, I'll just be the first one to say this.

• 1:53:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:53:14Speaker 02

  I love the Dr. Oz pick.

• 1:53:16Speaker 03

  Okay. Oh, you do?

• 1:53:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, because centralized medicine, what better way to blow it up than to put a World Economic Forum guy in charge of it?

• 1:53:23Speaker 01

  Okay. Um, I, I, I think, I think Dr. Oz is going to be extraordinary.

• 1:53:28Speaker 03

  You do? Why? Wait, why?

• 1:53:29Danny Jones?

  Do you think it's possible that a lot of these people, these high level people in politics and Bobby included, from what you alluded to with your comment, for your first conversation with Bobby and Rick, that they aren't educated on any of this stuff? And if they aren't educated on any of this stuff, for example?

• 1:53:41Speaker 03

  There's no excuse at this point. This is the biggest bubble in the hell of it in our lifetime. You should be up to speed, especially if you're going to have power and a microphone.

• 1:53:48Danny Jones?

  Totally.

• 1:53:49Speaker 03

  You have to be.

• 1:53:49Speaker 02

  You missed, you missed something while we were joking here. I actually made a joke about Dr. Oz and he actually thought it was a good pick. And guess what? That fits with my concerns.

• 1:54:01Speaker 01

  Jack, I think that the picks Bobby made are, I think.

• 1:54:05Speaker 03

  So that Bobby made these picks, not Trump?

• 1:54:07Speaker 01

  No, no, no. I think the picks President Trump made. Yeah, I think the picks President Trump made are very strong. And I think, I think, you know, this is just my opinion. I think we have people that are aligned with the vision that Bobby and President Trump painted during the campaign.

• 1:54:21Speaker 02

  And that's the reason why I said before that I'm, I'm no longer on Bobby's train. I'm, I'm kind of out because of what Mary's saying here. I had a lot of hope. And I will tell you that when Bobby got law fared, Nicole got law fared.

• 1:54:38Speaker 02

  If you go back and listen to the Rick Rubin podcast, Bobby laid his vision out right there about how he's going to do it because he's an attorney. And I'm going to go sue everybody like I've done before, like we did with Monsanto.

• 1:54:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:54:49Speaker 02

  And the funny thing is, I said to Bobby, it's not going to work. And I said, I think you need to listen to what Bukele did. We need to put a constitutional amendment and take all the fucking criminals out of the mix to begin with. And he said, Jack, that's great, but not even DeSantis could pass that kind of law in Florida. But then.

• 1:55:08Speaker 03

  Well, I will say in Tennessee, they're about to propose a bill to ban the sale and distribution of all mRNA.

• 1:55:13Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:55:13Speaker 03

  Tennessee may be the first.

• 1:55:14Speaker 02

  Well, I, I just got a call from one of the people, a governor, who, this may be a very interesting point to bring up, especially with him. To show you just how what happened in Trump's last term could actually be helpful. And this may be really big for you in Texas. So you know that Trump took a lot of shit in his first term about abortion. And remember, since abortion is not mentioned in the constitution, the states have to go by the 10th amendment. Well, guess what? Medical freedom is also not mentioned in the constitution. That means it would go the same route. So you know what that means? Uncle Jack could sit down and talk to a governor. If a governor is willing to put my constitutional amendment in the state constitution.

• 1:55:57Speaker 02

  We got an issue and it's a good issue. Do I think that's the way to go because then you don't need to deal with Trump and you don't need to deal with Bobby Kennedy. No words, you go straight. Well, you have to realize the states that I think could be very, very interesting here is Trump had a very contentious relationship with his previous primary guy, our governor, you know, DeSantis, and we know why that relationship was destroyed because somebody who used to work at Mercury, which was a PR firm, that's Suzie Watts.

• 1:56:31Speaker 01

  Where I used to work.

• 1:56:32Speaker 02

  Well, Suzie worked there as well and I'm, this was not about you. This is more about her.

• 1:56:37Speaker 01

  But you, but you're missing the conspiracy tie.

• 1:56:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you're not that important, my friend.

• 1:56:42Speaker 01

  I know that's why it's curious you're talking about so much.

• 1:56:45Speaker 02

  You're not that important about this issue.

• 1:56:47Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:56:48Speaker 02

  The, the issue is, could this be an issue because your governor actually is pretty decent?

• 1:56:55Speaker 01

  Well.

• 1:56:56Speaker 02

  Decent for the medical freedom. You're rolling your eyes. Why, why is that?

• 1:57:00Speaker 03

  Texas is bad. I mean, we're, we are, we have the largest medical center in the world. We're home of the vaccine mandate, Houston Methodist, April 2021. We were the first one to do it and I mean.

• 1:57:14Speaker 02

  Even before the president mandated it.

• 1:57:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Four months before, before Biden did it. And, you know, we, yeah, you see what they did to me, right? I was nothing to them. I mean, I'm a solo practitioner, a pretty small practice and they like, you know, they fleeced me, they squashed me, they tried to and um, you know, Abbott, he was always sort of a step behind DeSantis during the pandemic. I mean, granted, he was better than, you know, somebody in Washington state, but he's always been a little bit cautious in the, in medical freedom. And, uh, yeah, I've reached out to him a lot regarding my case with the medical board and haven't heard anything back and I, you know, there's, he has close ties to the medical community. Um, so.

• 1:58:04Speaker 03

  You were saying you like Abbott, though.

• 1:58:08Speaker 02

  No, I'm the reason I'm I'm hedging my bets. I can't say everything, but there's states around Texas that I've already talked to and Texas knows about.

• 1:58:19Speaker 03

  Oklahoma is progressing good.

• 1:58:22Speaker 02

  I'm just I'm just gonna tell you, I think I'm a little bit probably more optimistic on state than I am federal.

• 1:58:30Speaker 03

  Yes, I agree.

• 1:58:31Speaker 02

  And the point that I'd make to you, since you and I are Floridians, you know, I'm congressional district one and you're down here. Very few people know that Matt Getz is someone who represents me and I'm the reason why he kept going down to El Salvador because I kept writing him letters saying you need to come down and look at what Plan Bukele is. And you know that I I feel very strongly about DeSantis and I feel very strongly about the Florida Surgeon General. That is the guy that should have got the job because if that guy gets the job, the jabs are over because they're basically over here. And you're a Floridian. I'm a Floridian when

• 1:59:11Speaker 02

  I'm in the states. That is the kind of leadership that we need to see at the federal level, not the state. And the fact that we haven't got those picks in and we hear what Cali saying as being an insider there that. No. Well, I'm just saying. Trump makes good choices. Yeah, well, you and we are disagreeing with that. Well, you'd agree with Jay or you'd agree with Jay. Jay is the only one right now that I actually think is pretty good. Yeah. But the point that I'll make is that he's actually confirming for me what you're and I's feeling is that it's not going well on the federal. So we may need to start paying more attention to the state side than not. And I think that that's where you and I are

• 1:59:56Speaker 02

  in a pretty good situation. Can I add on to that? Try to constructively.

• 2:00:00Speaker 01

  So first off, Latipo, totally agree. And, you know, I think he's a great leader and should be having a national voice. And that's my opinion. So on the picks, I mean, I agree with your frustration. I mean, like, like, this is, I mean, I think we're in a big opportunity federally. I think we need to be doing aggressive state actions. I think people should be listening to you, Jack. I mean, like, on your ideas and on this data. I mean, I, you might not believe, I truly believe that.

• 2:00:35Speaker 02

  Just so you know, they are listening to me.

• 2:00:38Speaker 01

  Good.

• 2:00:38Speaker 02

  Everybody in Washington DC reads my tweets. Just so you know that, they do.

• 2:00:43Speaker 01

  Okay, good.

• 2:00:44Speaker 02

  Because I have confirmation of that. But realize something else. I'm the guy sitting at the table that wrote a constitutional amendment.

• 2:00:51Speaker 01

  I know. Jack, Jack.

• 2:00:53Speaker 02

  That's, that's actually in their hands and they don't want to do something with it.

• 2:00:58Speaker 01

  My, like, literal.

• 2:01:00Speaker 02

  In the United States.

• 2:01:01Speaker 01

  My literal goal in life is to help get radical ideas and transform ideas into a healthcare system.

• 2:01:06Speaker 02

  And what I'm trying to tell you is the people that you think are going to help, they're not helping.

• 2:01:11Speaker 01

  So, so I think, so Jack, I'm super cynical about DC.

• 2:01:15Speaker 02

  I don't think you are. I think you're actually, I think you're still looking for that job.

• 2:01:20Speaker 01

  No, so, so, so, so we can end my story on that. You might be right. I mean, we all have psychological hangups that we are working a lifetime to get over. And I've explained kind of the continuing reflect, you know, plaudits along the way. I mean, sure, like, everyone has their wounded child. I'm sure you do and are working on that, too. I mean, like, no, no, just, I mean, everyone's got their, their traumas. I would say that everything did change when I, you know, decided to focus on this issue and, and casing me to put our hearts out. And, you know, I, you know, everyone is the hero in their own head and it has pure intentions, probably, but we are trying to spread a message of light out there.

• 2:02:02Speaker 01

  And, you know, I think, I think any type of power, you might be overstating, but like, you know, like you, we're trying to push things forward.

• 2:02:11Speaker 02

  It's not power, Callie. I want you, I, I just think this, this is the part of you that comes off so disingenuous. You are an expert in legalized lying. That's what PR and lobbying is. Let me finish.

• 2:02:26Speaker 02

  It's not debatable, but you told me that you reformed and I am taking you at your word. You have to realize that propaganda is a tool of the government. Obama has weaponized it against us by law. And the pharmaceutical industry can do it on TV. That's how we lost our first amendment. You know that we talked about-

• 2:02:49Speaker 01

  Which I'm calling out, which you acknowledge I'm trying to stop, right?

• 2:02:52Speaker 02

  But we talked about that on the last podcast. My point that I'm trying to say is if the propaganda doesn't go away on the federal level, we're not going to be successful at all. That is the point. And the point when you say, well, Jack, I don't know about this and that. You have to realize, do you understand? You know, I don't want to be a dick with you and throw the gauntlet down about ignorance and fraud. But when I say to you clearly that the propaganda arm here is a big issue. And the fact that the people you used to work with, that's their fucking modus operandi.

• 2:03:27Speaker 01

  That's all I'm calling out, Jack. Well, Jack, Jack, respectfully, you've done a lot. You're pushing a lot. I don't think anyone's talking more about the need to ban DC Pharma advertising and how nefarious that is and how that allows the pharmaceutical industry not only to brainwash people, but also to buy off the news itself.

• 2:03:42Speaker 02

  But none of the people that Trump are putting at the federal level are doing that. That's the point I'm trying to make.

• 2:03:47Speaker 01

  Jack, it gets into a logic problem. So I'm just talking about that, bringing that as much of the national stage I possibly can in order to subvert it. Why wouldn't I just subvert it in the first place?

• 2:03:55Speaker 02

  Well, I guess, I guess-

• 2:03:57Speaker 01

  Can you answer that?

• 2:03:58Speaker 02

  No, I guess you missed my point.

• 2:03:59Speaker 01

  Like, like, Jack, I'm trying-

• 2:04:00Speaker 02

  By you saying that to me, you missed the point. The point is you're okay with what they're doing at the federal level, but you're not okay going that way.

• 2:04:08Speaker 01

  Of course I'm supportive of President Trump, what he's doing. He's appointed the best reform minded group of people for HHS in American history. I'm extremely supportive and extremely optimistic. I also am extremely, who's, who's-

• 2:04:18Speaker 02

  I think it's the status quo.

• 2:04:19Speaker 01

  Who's a more reform minded HHS group of people? This is, this is, Marty has pledged not to go to pharma after this. I think all 20, the past 20 years, every single FDA commissioner has gone straight to pharma. These people right now are not going back to pharma. So Jack, I would say if you investigate and if you're honest- Past 20 years of HHS leadership, this is the most reform minded. You might not think it's reform minded enough, but it is.

• 2:04:41Speaker 02

  No, let me tell you what it's about, my friend. Ideation without execution. Ideation without execution leads to deletion of every good idea. And I don't give a shit what they say. I want to see the action.

• 2:04:52Speaker 01

  I a hundred percent.

• 2:04:53Speaker 02

  No, you're willing to give them a fucking olive branch now, and I'm not.

• 2:04:58Speaker 01

  Jack, I'm not giving anything.

• 2:04:59Speaker 02

  They don't deserve shit. Do you want to know the truth?

• 2:05:01Speaker 03

  We have to hold their feet to the fire.

• 2:05:03Speaker 01

  Hold on, hold on, hold on. We can hold their feet to the fire, of course. But I think the question is, it's a fair question. How do we support Bobby and Trump and this team as much as we possibly? Maybe that's not what you think it should do, but like.

• 2:05:16Speaker 02

  We shouldn't support them at all. They need to do the will of the people.

• 2:05:19Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:05:19Speaker 02

  That's what they need to do. Not the will of Cali. Not the will of Cali. Cali wants to be, let's transparency, transparency.

• 2:05:27Speaker 01

  What do you think we should do?

• 2:05:28Speaker 02

  I think we fucking burn it down. That's what I think.

• 2:05:31Speaker 01

  Well, I, I.

• 2:05:32Speaker 02

  Burn it down.

• 2:05:33Speaker 01

  So, so, so what?

• 2:05:34Speaker 02

  Literally.

• 2:05:35Speaker 01

  What would you advise to do?

• 2:05:36Speaker 02

  Tell Elon and Vivek to close fucking places down. And I'd start with the intelligence communities.

• 2:05:43Speaker 01

  Can we, can we, can we back on?

• 2:05:44Speaker 02

  And I'd start.

• 2:05:44Speaker 01

  Hold on, hold on.

• 2:05:45Speaker 02

  I'd start with everything tied to science.

• 2:05:47Speaker 01

  Jack, Jack.

• 2:05:48Speaker 02

  Cause there's nobody worthwhile in there.

• 2:05:50Speaker 01

  Can we step, can we step back and actually calmly talk about what your?

• 2:05:54Speaker 02

  I'm very calm.

• 2:05:55Speaker 01

  Okay. Can we talk, can we talk about what your 100 day plan like would be like, like, like?

• 2:06:01Speaker 02

  Constitutional amendment.

• 2:06:03Speaker 01

  Okay. So, so what should, what, what would be your recommendation of how to, um, you know?

• 2:06:09Speaker 02

  Anybody associated with COVID goes to Guantanamo Bay first and foremost.

• 2:06:14Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:06:15Speaker 02

  That's it. That's the first thing I do.

• 2:06:17Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:06:17Speaker 02

  And I know that if Gatz was in, that'd happen.

• 2:06:20Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:06:22Speaker 02

  That's, that's the first place. And then I'd start changing laws. The first law I'd change, it's a 1980 law that allows laws.

• 2:06:31Speaker 02

  Scientists paid by taxpayers to benefit from research. That should end.

• 2:06:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think, I don't think there's anyone in the country that's. Talk more about that than me. So.

• 2:06:41Speaker 02

  Well, I got news for you. It ain't gonna happen.

• 2:06:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:06:43Speaker 02

  And with the people that Trump's put in, the second thing that needs to happen is the vaccine liability law leads to needs to go by the way. And here's the the big issue. The first hundred days, the only thing Bobby should focus in on. Only thing is a Rico case against everybody associated with. Messenger RNA technology and that includes the Department of Defense.

• 2:07:08Speaker 01

  How would you do that?

• 2:07:09Speaker 02

  I just told you how I do.

• 2:07:11Speaker 01

  I'm not, I'm not.

• 2:07:11Speaker 02

  Investigate. We, we already have Fauci's emails. We have Moran's emails. We have tons of data. You seem to act like the data is not there. Kevin McKeon literally could go to Congress and tell them. That he found SV forty. Anybody associated with the FDA approval process Guantanamo Bay.

• 2:07:34Speaker 01

  I'm not suggesting that data is not there. I'm suggesting. That we certainly don't fund foundational research on why we're getting sick that.

• 2:07:42Speaker 02

  Then you don't solve the problem.

• 2:07:43Speaker 01

  Data is being covered, uh, covered up.

• 2:07:45Speaker 02

  And then you don't solve the problem is what you're saying.

• 2:07:47Speaker 01

  There's huge, so, so, so I think.

• 2:07:49Speaker 02

  So you just want to ignore everything that's already out there?

• 2:07:51Speaker 01

  No, not at all.

• 2:07:52Speaker 02

  So you want to kind of do it YouTube?

• 2:07:54Speaker 01

  Oh, I think as much Bobby's talked about getting rid of the FISA Department, just, just open source and release as much as we possibly have. That's a huge part of transparency.

• 2:08:04Speaker 03

  We need accountability, though.

• 2:08:06Speaker 02

  People need to go to jail.

• 2:08:07Speaker 01

  Hold on. So, so, so, so, and, and.

• 2:08:11Speaker 01

  Again, my story is.

• 2:08:13Speaker 02

  We're not interested in your story. We're interested in the story of we the people.

• 2:08:18Speaker 01

  Well, I'm giving my opinion. Is that any, like, we all come from different perspectives. I am just trying to think, just intellectually, like, this is what I like doing is like, how do you channel this? Spiritual awakening, I believe many people in America are having about our healthcare system being broken. And the incentives being destroyed and channel that into actionable ideas that can get done in the first year. And that's not like me, I'm not controlling, like, you know, I, I'm the one person.

• 2:08:46Speaker 02

  Like a politician and a lobbyist.

• 2:08:48Speaker 01

  Well, well, maybe it's see, and I feel.

• 2:08:50Speaker 02

  Not maybe, definitely.

• 2:08:51Speaker 01

  Hold on, Jack. My story is.

• 2:08:53Speaker 02

  That's actually what our big problem is with you.

• 2:08:55Speaker 01

  My story, my story is. And this, this is for, you know, we respond to is that talking about practicality puts your guys alarm signals up that I'm somehow trying to subvert something. It's like, we are at the time now.

• 2:09:10Speaker 02

  We, we actually should feel that way.

• 2:09:12Speaker 01

  Okay, but, but, but, but, but, but there is a question of what should be done in 63 days, right?

• 2:09:16Speaker 02

  I just told you, but the people that we know have committed fraud need to go to Guantanamo Bay.

• 2:09:22Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't think, I don't think suggesting to, to, to send people to Guantanamo might be the best political. I mean, and I don't care about the political part. I do, I do, I do.

• 2:09:33Danny Jones?

  He knows, like, if, if he is in this world and he understands how to talk to these people and communicate with these folks, like, you understand, you do understand that saying that sending everyone to Guantanamo Bay is like an unrealistic, it sounds crazy, right?

• 2:09:44Speaker 02

  No, it doesn't. Let me ask you a question. What happened at Nuremberg? Did we have a discussion with the Nazis?

• 2:09:49Speaker 01

  Jack, Jack, Jack.

• 2:09:50Danny Jones?

  I understand what you're saying.

• 2:09:51Speaker 01

  Jack, Jack.

• 2:09:51Speaker 02

  Do you? Cause he does it.

• 2:09:53Danny Jones?

  No, I understand what you're saying, but what I'm, what I'm trying to.

• 2:09:55Speaker 01

  Do you think we should be sending people to Guantanamo?

• 2:09:57Speaker 03

  I don't know how, what the logistics are, but I think the spirit of that is correct. I just, you know, there's probably a different way of doing it.

• 2:10:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:04Speaker 03

  But the bottom line is we need swift, immediate accountability. I mean, this is, I don't, I just feel like.

• 2:10:12Speaker 01

  Does Nicole think we should be sending people to Guantanamo?

• 2:10:14Speaker 02

  I don't know. Why don't you call her and ask her?

• 2:10:16Speaker 01

  Jack, but like, you know.

• 2:10:17Speaker 02

  Why don't you call her and ask her?

• 2:10:18Speaker 01

  All these people that, you know, pay you and that are, you know, friends with you. Yeah.

• 2:10:22Speaker 02

  You know who pays me here? Right here, Callie, look.

• 2:10:24Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:10:25Speaker 02

  Fake coin. Not to faze me, bro.

• 2:10:27Speaker 01

  No, no, no, but I'm a huge, I'm a huge fan of Nicole.

• 2:10:28Speaker 02

  Get it fucking right.

• 2:10:29Speaker 01

  I'm a huge fan of Nicole, but like, but like.

• 2:10:31Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't think you are.

• 2:10:32Speaker 01

  Oh, I am.

• 2:10:33Speaker 02

  She used to be like you and then she's flipped.

• 2:10:35Speaker 01

  Hold on, we don't need to get, no, I'm just saying, people in the polit, more in the political arena, aren't calling for people to be sent to Guantanamo, like.

• 2:10:44Speaker 02

  That's right, because guess what? They're all complicit in it. You're right. Congress voted for this stuff. You are correct.

• 2:10:51Speaker 01

  I'm saying people like Nicole, people that are on.

• 2:10:53Speaker 02

  Nicole wasn't a politician. She's in a patent attorney for Google.

• 2:10:57Speaker 01

  And, and, and by the way, I think she's been a warrior on that. I'm just saying like you're being very selective here saying that

• 2:11:03Speaker 02

  No, I'm not.

• 2:11:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:04Speaker 02

  I'm being, I'm, I'm a diagnostician.

• 2:11:05Speaker 01

  A lot of people.

• 2:11:06Speaker 02

  Unlike your sister.

• 2:11:07Speaker 01

  I think.

• 2:11:07Speaker 02

  I'm the diagnostician.

• 2:11:08Speaker 01

  What, what, what's your hatred in your heart from my sister? You don't know her and she, she, she's not involved in this.

• 2:11:13Speaker 02

  I just think it's kinda weak that she quit and she doesn't have a big voice. A big voice on this topic.

• 2:11:20Speaker 01

  Uh, which topic?

• 2:11:22Speaker 02

  Bro, are you gonna keep dancing?

• 2:11:24Speaker 01

  Wait, do you have any videos on the vaccines?

• 2:11:27Danny Jones?

  The videos that you.

• 2:11:27Speaker 01

  You have all the stuff he sent, but you.

• 2:11:29Danny Jones?

  Yes, yes, I have everything. I have everything. You wanna show them?

• 2:11:32Speaker 01

  No, it's fine. I mean, there's a ton of videos of, of us talking about vaccines and um, that's just inaccurate, but.

• 2:11:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah, on the Rogan podcast, specifically the J, the JRE episode, she did mention vaccines.

• 2:11:42Speaker 01

  And Megyn Kelly and everything.

• 2:11:44Danny Jones?

  And, and you guys talked about a lot of Ozempic and, and other pharmaceutical drugs as well.

• 2:11:49Speaker 01

  Talked about the vaccine schedule in every podcast, but do you acknowledge that?

• 2:11:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've heard her talk about it, but not loud enough. She's talked more about Fruit Loops and, and glucose.

• 2:11:58Speaker 01

  I don't think Casey's ever talked.

• 2:11:59Speaker 02

  And glucose monitors.

• 2:12:00Speaker 01

  I talk about Fruit Loops and I don't think Casey has ever talked about Fruit Loops, but, but um, um, where are we getting here? So I think that the point he's making, it's like, maybe we come from a different angles. I actually really sympathize with what you're saying on this revolutionary mindset. Like I intellectually am trying to think about like what could actually get done in the next hundred days and how to recommend things for that. And then, you know, being practical on that stand front isn't betraying the movement. As far as what the people are asking for and what this movement is asking for, I think there's a battle right now to define what the Maha movement is about. And I do, and I, I believe that it was fueled by significant frustration from a broad base of the American people about multi, a multitude of issues,

• 2:12:44Speaker 01

  including what you guys are talking about.

• 2:12:46Speaker 02

  Did the American public ask for transparency when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor? Or when the Mossad ran two planes into the nine eleven?

• 2:12:56Speaker 01

  I, I think.

• 2:12:57Speaker 02

  What happened then?

• 2:12:57Speaker 01

  Hold on.

• 2:12:58Speaker 02

  Did they want to count it?

• 2:12:59Speaker 01

  There's a premise, there's a premise.

• 2:13:01Speaker 02

  Mary, how many people have died from the jab by the estimates that you know? The low end to the high end.

• 2:13:08Speaker 03

  The numbers vary, but 500,000?

• 2:13:10Speaker 02

  So you're saying What's the high end? What's the high end? The guy in Austria said it close to 17 million.

• 2:13:15Speaker 03

  Right, right. Well, that's worldwide.

• 2:13:17Speaker 02

  So let's just, let's just say it's probably neither of those numbers, somewhere in between.

• 2:13:22Speaker 03

  It's far more than it should be.

• 2:13:23Speaker 02

  We don't know. But Callie, let me ask you a question.

• 2:13:25Speaker 03

  We, we.

• 2:13:26Speaker 02

  Cause you, cause guess what?

• 2:13:27Speaker 01

  Some plant, cause I don't want to send people to Bando.

• 2:13:29Speaker 02

  How many people died in World War II from the United States?

• 2:13:33Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 2:13:33Speaker 02

  457,000.

• 2:13:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:36Speaker 02

  So we already have more people on the low end dead and you want to talk about Fruit Loops?

• 2:13:40Speaker 01

  No, no, no. What? That's not good faith, man.

• 2:13:43Speaker 02

  Oh, it's good faith.

• 2:13:44Speaker 01

  No, it's not. No, it's not.

• 2:13:45Speaker 03

  Okay, this is what I want to do.

• 2:13:46Speaker 01

  Do you, do you know that's not good faith or are you?

• 2:13:49Speaker 02

  No, I, I want to hear.

• 2:13:50Speaker 01

  Cause I think.

• 2:13:51Speaker 02

  I want to hear you adapt to the data and you're not.

• 2:13:55Speaker 01

  Hold on, if that is true.

• 2:13:57Speaker 02

  Cause you're a big data guy, but you don't like this data.

• 2:14:00Speaker 01

  No, I'm not a big data guy.

• 2:14:01Speaker 02

  Oh, yes, you are. I've heard enough of your podcast.

• 2:14:05Speaker 01

  Oh, like, like I'd cite data?

• 2:14:06Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 2:14:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:14:07Speaker 02

  But it's data that suits your ideology.

• 2:14:11Speaker 01

  Jack, and you've said this, is the stuff I'm saying really not in the service of what you're trying to say?

• 2:14:16Speaker 02

  No, it is, but you're not talking about the elephant in the room. I just told you what the elephant in the room is.

• 2:14:20Speaker 01

  Jack.

• 2:14:20Speaker 02

  We have killed more people in the last four years than we did in any world war we've been involved with. And you want transparency.

• 2:14:29Speaker 01

  To give my true, yes, because I do not think the American people are with you on that statement right now.

• 2:14:34Speaker 03

  I disagree because if they were with.

• 2:14:37Speaker 02

  And guess what? I'm glad you said that. Cause this podcast, you're gonna get fact checked.

• 2:14:42Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no, hold on, hold on. If, do you think that the American people are with you that the COVID jab?

• 2:14:48Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 2:14:48Speaker 01

  Bigger issue than World War II, that COVID jab specifically that should be pulled?

• 2:14:52Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:14:53Speaker 01

  From the market?

• 2:14:53Speaker 02

  Not even, not, not even an inkling doubt.

• 2:14:56Speaker 01

  Then I strongly support, and I'm not being facetious here at all, I strongly support your voices being heard and being part of a policymaking process to bring that to. light and to have swift and immediate decisions based on that data like like like like you're you're pinning me down on like making

• 2:15:13Speaker 02

  I'm not trying to pin you down. I'm trying to point out it's almost like your tone deaf. You just said you just said on Danny's podcast that you are so happy with Trump's picks. If you go on Twitter, have you been on Twitter? Have you seen the kickback? Nobody likes his picks.

• 2:15:29Speaker 01

  Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, you might be in too many dark spaces of Twitter, but um, that's not real.

• 2:15:35Speaker 02

  No, the dark spaces. Yeah, Jay. I like, I like, I like.

• 2:15:41Speaker 01

  Jack, maybe the the places you hang out with on Twitter are are different than than other places, but.

• 2:15:47Speaker 02

  I would agree that they're different than yours. Yours, yours, I think are very interesting.

• 2:15:50Speaker 01

  The only place I've been dragged into that's that's I I I think most America is gonna say is from some of your stuff, a lot of them, I think Americans generally. Would you agree? I think there's generally a sense of possibility and optimism in the country right now that we haven't felt in a while.

• 2:16:04Speaker 02

  Not anymore.

• 2:16:05Danny Jones?

  I feel that. I do feel that. I do feel there's a sense of optimism. I do. In general, I do.

• 2:16:10Speaker 02

  I I would agree with you that that Trump absolutely was a way better pick. You know that I flew back here to vote for him.

• 2:16:16Danny Jones?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:16:17Speaker 02

  So there's not, that's not a question. My point, and I think you guys are both missing what me and Mary are saying, since the picks have started to come out. On the hell side, no one, yeah, no one is happy.

• 2:16:30Speaker 01

  Well, in your Twitter circles.

• 2:16:33Speaker 03

  Right. Oh, okay. That's kind of rude. I mean.

• 2:16:35Speaker 01

  No, no, I think it's a little.

• 2:16:36Speaker 02

  But I think it's okay. No, I think it's a fair criticism.

• 2:16:39Speaker 03

  Let's just say, let's just say, yeah, my, so you're saying that I don't represent most Americans.

• 2:16:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:16:44Speaker 03

  And.

• 2:16:44Speaker 02

  We're the idiots.

• 2:16:45Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no.

• 2:16:46Speaker 01

  Jack, that's not what I'm saying.

• 2:16:47Danny Jones?

  Hold on, hold on, we can't, we can't scream over you.

• 2:16:49Speaker 02

  That's what I heard.

• 2:16:50Speaker 03

  I think that if you look, okay, let's just do the the uptake of the COVID shot. That's that's irrefutable. That represents all of America, right? So if the if if people believed in the government, they would follow the government directives and be lining up for their 11th booster.

• 2:17:07Speaker 02

  But they're not, Kelly.

• 2:17:08Speaker 03

  Taking their kids to get the COVID shots.

• 2:17:09Speaker 02

  Which is good. No.

• 2:17:10Speaker 03

  Right, but it's a reflection of how.

• 2:17:12Speaker 02

  Blows your narrative straight out the water.

• 2:17:14Speaker 03

  It's a reflection of the mindset of America.

• 2:17:17Speaker 01

  Hold on, Jack. No, it actually, Jack. Is a general, we can talk about this as much as you want, but like, like.

• 2:17:24Speaker 02

  We can't because dude, you know what, you know what talking is like? It's like we're trying to dance and you don't move your fucking feet. And it's really frustrating.

• 2:17:32Speaker 01

  It's a gun to my head to say that everything needs to be pulled.

• 2:17:34Speaker 02

  You know what the problem is? You're a lobbyist, bro.

• 2:17:37Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:17:38Speaker 02

  That's your DNA.

• 2:17:39Speaker 01

  Jack.

• 2:17:39Speaker 02

  And that ain't gonna change. That's, I realized that an hour ago.

• 2:17:43Danny Jones?

  Is there anything Cali could say that would help you feel differently?

• 2:17:46Speaker 02

  No, not anymore.

• 2:17:47Danny Jones?

  Nothing.

• 2:17:48Speaker 02

  I think he's done a good job in two hours and 13 minutes of actually, I, I, this I will say.

• 2:17:54Speaker 01

  Can you say something nice?

• 2:17:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:17:56Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:17:56Speaker 02

  I, I thought on the, the acid test I had for him, on ignorance or fraud, I don't think he's a fraudster. I don't. But I think he's fucking incredibly ignorant. And I think his ideology, his previous history, his family history is a role here. No question in my mind about it. Now, how big a role that is, I still haven't defined that. I still haven't defined it, but do I think?

• 2:18:24Danny Jones?

  Is there anything he could do that would change your mind?

• 2:18:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think if he goes back to DC, because it's clear as a young man, this is what he's cut out to do. There's no question in my mind.

• 2:18:35Speaker 01

  I thought I wasn't a good communicator.

• 2:18:37Speaker 02

  No, I think you are a good communicator. I just don't think, I think because of your ignorance on this issue, that you won't be effective.

• 2:18:45Speaker 01

  Okay, I think I am ignorant on what you're talking about.

• 2:18:48Danny Jones?

  What, what, what is it possible for Cali to do that would help people?

• 2:18:51Speaker 02

  He needs to go back and fucking wake some people up and say, you know what, maybe, maybe the way we're reading the room, maybe we're tone deaf.

• 2:18:59Danny Jones?

  I think that's kind of what we're doing right now is so, as long as this episode doesn't get blown, you know, blasted off YouTube for some reason.

• 2:19:05Speaker 02

  Just put it on rumble.

• 2:19:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no one fucking watches rumble.

• 2:19:07Speaker 01

  Hold on, Jack, so, so you'll grant me, you'll grant me that potentially Casey and I, in our hearts and heads, care about this issue, started talking about it.

• 2:19:17Speaker 02

  I'm dealing specifically with you. I haven't dealt with your sister yet.

• 2:19:19Speaker 01

  Fine, I care about this issue. I'm talking about it. It's very dark, very complicated. I'm very, Jack, I'm not sleeping. I'm so worried about this agenda getting subverted. Like, it's very high stakes and very, there's very bad people out there that are wanting President Trump and Bobby to not be successful. Like, I, I, that's all I'm thinking about. Like, and, and, and not that I even have that much of a role in this. It's just like, as a, as a person that cares about this issue. So like, I'm with you on that. We might have different perspectives on it. Um, as far, I don't know, maybe there's a difference on blowing things up. I mean, jeez, Jack, I mean, I felt like what I was trying to say in the past couple of years was, you know, pretty dramatic. I certainly was trying

• 2:20:04Speaker 01

  to communicate effectively. Um,

• 2:20:06Speaker 02

  I don't think it was dramatic. I think people have been saying what you've been saying for, since Atkins.

• 2:20:10Speaker 01

  And, and, and a lot of the people,

• 2:20:12Speaker 02

  It's, that's not the message that resonates with America.

• 2:20:15Speaker 01

  Well, I think, I mean, our, our book is so well and people, I mean, I don't know.

• 2:20:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, but books, books selling well, you know, you know how many books, 250 diet books are written every year. And yet, what happens? Every time we keep using non-native EMF, all the way back from 1893, the En Haynes stuff gets worse and worse and worse.

• 2:20:36Speaker 01

  Well, Jack, you're saying,

• 2:20:37Speaker 02

  So guess what I'm saying? If we don't make the accurate diagnosis,

• 2:20:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:20:41Speaker 02

  we're not gonna solve the problem.

• 2:20:42Speaker 01

  Jack, you're saying the message hasn't resonated. I'm just like, maybe, I, I'm trying.

• 2:20:46Danny Jones?

  I think most people,

• 2:20:47Speaker 01

  What do you want me to say? Like, like, you want me to be more radical?

• 2:20:50Speaker 02

  No, I want you actually take the data that Mary and I are bringing to you, that more people

• 2:20:55Speaker 01

  Why are you picking on me on this? Like, why are, what's the, what's the fix?

• 2:20:58Speaker 02

  Because you're the fucking guy on Tucker, Carlson and Joe Rogan, bro.

• 2:21:02Speaker 01

  There's a lot of people on Tucker, man.

• 2:21:03Speaker 02

  No, you don't get it, bro.

• 2:21:04Speaker 01

  What? I, I must not.

• 2:21:06Speaker 02

  This is, this is where I'm saying, this is where you get to be a fraudster. I'm gonna be honest with you. And, you know, I think that this podcast is going to polarize many people who look both that you, me and Mary.

• 2:21:21Speaker 01

  Can we stop talking mad about the podcast? Yes, every second and just talk.

• 2:21:24Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:21:24Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 2:21:25Speaker 02

  You're on this meta, you're on this meta thing. We've already talked.

• 2:21:28Speaker 01

  Just go.

• 2:21:28Speaker 02

  I've got, I've already got my answer.

• 2:21:31Speaker 01

  Okay, what, and what is that?

• 2:21:32Speaker 02

  I already told you, I don't need to repeat it for you. If you need to listen to it, you can listen, Steve will send it back to you by email.

• 2:21:38Speaker 03

  What, can I ask you, what prompted you to call Trump and Kennedy? What, what was the?

• 2:21:44Speaker 01

  That there was um, a, a deep emotions watching Trump get shot? And I thought that there might be a rare window to spread unity, that when traumatic things happen, it resets how people think about things.

• 2:22:02Speaker 03

  Were you, you were working with Kennedy at the time? You were on his campaign?

• 2:22:06Speaker 01

  My sister and I have been loo, very loose, like with Kennedy, like we're, I think, really aligned on this message of the childhood chronic disease crisis and have shared some ideas with him, have gone on some podcasts with him, have spoken at some of his events. And haven't talked to him that much at all during the campaign. I just felt, I, I, from DC, I think we all, and maybe you honestly, attribute more thought and strategy to what people do than actually I see happening. That when you're in a campaign or a high-stake situation and things are happening so fast, you actually don't have like an opportunity to think about where you could actually go in a different direction.

• 2:22:52Speaker 01

  So I had a real strong sense, um, from my experience that maybe there was a different road to go after the shooting, you know, when, when, when COVID, I mean, pharma was ready, pharma was ready during COVID to insert an agenda. When, when these, when these unexpected things happen, you know, it, there's an opportunity to maybe reset the deck in a positive or negative way. So I was nervous, but I decided to just call him for 20 seconds and mention that. Um, and then, um, he thought about it and, and ended up starting that conversation. I mean, that was a 20 second.

• 2:23:26Speaker 03

  Kennedy or Trump?

• 2:23:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, Kennedy. That was a 20-second conversation that I'm a very, you know, that was Kennedy, you know, just, um, thinking about and deciding, and they had, you know, they, they ended up, I think, forming a really important bond. That was gonna go to the grave and then he mentioned that in a speech. Um, I had no desire ever for that to be public. Um, and he mentioned that in his concession speech and then. We shared some ideas with him during the campaign and then that's pretty much it. I mean, like, um, yeah.

• 2:24:00Speaker 03

  Are you gonna get a job and then new administration?

• 2:24:02Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:24:05Danny Jones?

  Kennedy has been the most outspoken person in the past on these vaccines in this country.

• 2:24:11Speaker 02

  Not now, though.

• 2:24:12Danny Jones?

  Well, and, and he wrote the book about Fauci, which is literally all about this stuff.

• 2:24:15Speaker 02

  Right. It's a great book. Fabulous book.

• 2:24:18Danny Jones?

  It is a great book. Yeah.

• 2:24:19Speaker 02

  But you can tell that he's been.

• 2:24:21Danny Jones?

  And why do you think, why do you think specifically that he has changed his tune?

• 2:24:27Speaker 02

  It's pretty obvious. I think it's lobbyists from Big Pharma. That's remember, they said at the Cantillon effect, they're the highest, the, the, the.

• 2:24:36Danny Jones?

  You think that he's taken money from Big Pharma?

• 2:24:38Speaker 02

  No, no, no, I don't think it's, he's taken money from it. I think that they are so powerful that they're bringing the forces to bear about what can be done politically or not. That's where I actually agree with him that this has become a political issue and it's not a medical issue. And see, the thing that underpins all this is what you and I talked about on our podcast. It's the bankers. The bankers are the ones that pay for all this shit. And until we fix that problem, now here's the one thing we haven't talked about. The fact that both Bobby and Trump are big into Bitcoin as the reserve asset. Let me tell you something. I actually think that is the thing that really fixes more than anything Bobby can do in HHS now. I don't even think it's, it's, I don't think he's gonna be successful at all.

• 2:25:24Speaker 01

  Can I, so totally disagree with you on what you said about Bobby, but on the, on the macro dynamic of the lobbyists and these dark interests forming the realms of acceptable debate. I, I think we, we do agree on that. I mean, that, that's a real concern. I think, you know, we have in health, this kind of, they call it the healthcare economy. It's like, it's like already, you know, you see this pressure. It's like anything radical to actually change the health power. Oh, it's gonna hurt jobs. It's gonna do, I mean, it's, it's really complicated, really nefarious. I, I, to me, to me.

• 2:25:55Speaker 02

  I don't think it's that complicated. Can I tell you why? Let me just tell you why.

• 2:25:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I might agree with that.

• 2:26:00Speaker 02

  In five. Years who Kelly changed everything in El Salvador. So you would say, okay, that's one guy. It's different. But let me tell you something else that everybody at this table knows. A guy just got elected in Argentina who had a hundred year problem with communism. And he's fixed things already in six months. You know what the problem with DC is? The problem in DC, nothing fucking gets fixed.

• 2:26:24Speaker 01

  I agree with that.

• 2:26:25Speaker 02

  Right. So guess what? You know why nothing gets fixed? It's because nobody's willing to do the hard work. Like when you have a tumor and you're taking it out, or I have a tumor, we're willing to do the hard work to get it out. Okay, that's what we have. This messenger RNA story is a tumor. And that we have to put our time and effort into fixing that one problem. And we need to do it well, because when we do it well, then we can apply that to other problems. And that's the way it should be done.

• 2:26:57Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 2:26:58Danny Jones?

  How do you suggest they get this message to the forefront of the people?

• 2:27:03Speaker 01

  His message?

• 2:27:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah, what he just said.

• 2:27:05Speaker 01

  I don't know if that's a message. I think what you just said is true. I think, I think what you said is something I'm dealing with, which is that I believe that something really positive happened during the campaign and people were woken up on health. And it actually, my, and why I called and what my framework has been and what if I have any master plan, what it's been, it's been that to weaponize and make change with what we're all saying. And I think what we actually agree with them, general principles on where health needs to go. It needs to be politically important. It needs to be politically popular. People need to see it as a politically important voting block.

• 2:27:40Speaker 02

  We already have that. The problem is.

• 2:27:42Speaker 01

  No, no, no, Jack.

• 2:27:43Speaker 02

  Campaigns are won with talk.

• 2:27:45Speaker 01

  No, Jack.

• 2:27:45Speaker 02

  But you want to win people's hearts, actions.

• 2:27:48Speaker 01

  I'll be quick. I'll be quick. It's not, health has not been a politically important issue. People vote on issues like guns, abortion, like, like really hot topic issues. I do believe the Maha movement made health actually a voting issue.

• 2:28:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, but Callie, I disagree because guess what? The issue right now for the United States is COVID.

• 2:28:05Danny Jones?

  Right, I agree.

• 2:28:07Speaker 01

  I'll be 30 seconds. So, so, so the Maha, would you agree that Maha?

• 2:28:10Speaker 02

  You are, you are again redirecting here. That's the problem we have with you.

• 2:28:15Speaker 01

  Okay, well, just speak for yourself, but okay. Um, the Maha movement catalyzed, I think, a new coalition of voters that came to President Trump. First time women voters independents, I think Bobby Kennedy and the Maha movement had an impact on the campaign. That gives political currency, and this isn't anything about Trump or anyone, this is just politics. That gives political currency to actually get something done. Now, exactly as you said, you have to bash your head against the wall against this crazy corrupt ingrained bureaucracy to get anything done. And it's much, much, much harder. The campaign was great. I think it was really positive. It's much, much harder now to get something done. And it seems like maybe

• 2:28:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, but we've got two leaders to show the

• 2:28:51Speaker 01

  It seems like, it seems like maybe that this debate or this whole question is like, should we be giving up on Bobby and Trump on the health agenda because it's gonna get hard. It absolutely is gonna get hard. And I think ideally, we're all supportive and not, you know, kind of all

• 2:29:05Speaker 02

  I don't think we're giving up on them. What I'm saying is campaigns are talk. We need action.

• 2:29:10Speaker 01

  I agree with that.

• 2:29:11Speaker 02

  Mary has been, she said it several times, we need heads on the platter. And the appropriate heads. We don't need a lower level guy. We need Fauci's head on the platter.

• 2:29:21Speaker 03

  And based on who he has appointed, other than Bobby, other than Jay Bhattacharya, it gives, it deflates my hope that actually something's actually gonna happen. You don't have very many, you know, strong willed, outspoken people who have been appointed to the health positions. And I love Jay Bhattacharya, but he's a little on the, you know, in terms of how much outspoken, how he's on the more cautious side. And, you know, we don't have anybody who's just out there saying COVID shot should be pulled off the market, even though there's lots of support for that. You want, you know, lots of doctors

• 2:29:56Speaker 02

  The data supports it. The data supports it. Forget about people's opinion. The data supports it. Historical precedent. Like if you, if you're a lawyer, historical precedent matters. We pulled the swine flu after a couple of deaths. We have, by the estimates we just talked about, 550 to 17 million. You name it.

• 2:30:16Speaker 01

  Guys, we've talked about this 50 times. I'm not standing in your way of any of this information getting out or that policy getting done. I think it should get out. I don't know what you want from me. I, it is not my issue. I'm being educated on it. I fully support that information getting out and that being part of a policy process for any pharmaceutical product that's killing a bunch of people. Generally, I think politically It's important, I absolutely not coming out with ideas on food bans. I think we should have mass transparency. I think start with that from a tactical perspective. I think if a drug is killing millions of people or hundreds of thousands of people, we should have that information out immediately. You guys should not have your voices silenced. I think that's why Elon and free speech is extremely important in this. And I think, nobody's saying your way on that. I'm certainly not. Like, like, like, I don't know what you want.

• 2:30:56Speaker 03

  So is this the first time you've heard that the COVID shots are killing millions of people?

• 2:31:01Speaker 02

  You're acting like it.

• 2:31:02Speaker 01

  Killing millions, killing-

• 2:31:03Speaker 03

  Or just, you know-

• 2:31:04Speaker 02

  But you've never heard that before.

• 2:31:05Speaker 03

  Let's just say, let's just, let's be more clear. That the risks outweigh the benefits of the COVID shot. Is this the first time you've heard that?

• 2:31:12Speaker 01

  Well, I think personally that they do. And I think it's insane to give them to kids. I haven't gotten, you know, boosters or anything.

• 2:31:21Speaker 01

  And, and, you know, I think that's step one. I think there should be absolutely no mandates.

• 2:31:26Speaker 03

  So how did you come to that conclusion?

• 2:31:29Speaker 02

  You talked to your sister?

• 2:31:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, we're all, you know, yeah.

• 2:31:33Speaker 02

  Did you take the shot?

• 2:31:34Speaker 03

  But do you think in general public?

• 2:31:35Speaker 01

  Did you take it? I took the first, the first time.

• 2:31:36Speaker 02

  So let me ask you a question. Hold on, wait a minute. Now we're gonna get to the doctor part.

• 2:31:40Speaker 01

  And then I haven't gotten boosters.

• 2:31:40Speaker 02

  That's fine. Do you know about Kevin's data? That he just-

• 2:31:45Speaker 01

  Guys, guys, I am super distrustful on the COVID vaccine.

• 2:31:50Speaker 02

  But I'm saying, do you know?

• 2:31:51Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:31:51Speaker 02

  Well, forget about that. Don't go, don't go where you think I'm gonna go.

• 2:31:54Speaker 01

  No, no, I don't.

• 2:31:55Speaker 02

  60 billion copies of DNA plasmids and SV40 promoter in it. So I want you to just, you know, you're a normal guy. You're not a science guy.

• 2:32:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:32:08Speaker 02

  Somebody told you that you had 60 billion promoters in your body doing shit that you didn't know about. Do you understand why, as two guys sitting across the table? And I'm telling you that the guy who did this used to work in the Human Genome Project. He was sitting here talking to Danny about it not that long ago. And that episode's been pulled by the powers that be.

• 2:32:36Speaker 02

  Right. So what I'm trying to really get you to understand, do you understand that I and Mary and your sister have to advocate on behalf of people that have that problem? Do you think that's reasonable? Do you, do you understand why? When we question you about it and what Mary just said to you? Callie, do you know what you took?

• 2:33:00Speaker 01

  What?

• 2:33:02Speaker 02

  The jab, do you know what you took and do you know what you got?

• 2:33:04Speaker 01

  Bad.

• 2:33:06Speaker 02

  But yet you're not willing.

• 2:33:09Speaker 01

  I don't think, are you saying you're not willing though? You're not willing?

• 2:33:11Speaker 02

  Not willing to what? To pull the jabs, to, to make a statement.

• 2:33:15Speaker 01

  I am not, would make a statement to pull the jabs?

• 2:33:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:18Speaker 03

  Very easy.

• 2:33:18Speaker 02

  It's a very easy thing to say. And that's what we don't understand.

• 2:33:22Speaker 01

  But no, but nobody, like, no, I'm not, I, that's not.

• 2:33:25Speaker 02

  So you're okay that you got 60 billion copies of SV40 in you? Is that what you're saying?

• 2:33:30Speaker 01

  No, I think it's, I think it's really, really concerning. I think it's a gen-

• 2:33:33Speaker 02

  Is it concerning?

• 2:33:34Speaker 01

  Jack, I can say this, Jack. Just let me, let me just answer your question again.

• 2:33:42Speaker 01

  I am taking the same position as Trump and Bobby and many other people that are trying to figure out a way to absolutely dismantle the pharmaceutical and sick care incentives that have led to this catastrophe of the COVID response, including the COVID vaccine rollout. And I think a wider issue of our sick care system. My answer to you, if you're asking for my policy recommendation.

• 2:34:08Speaker 02

  No, I'm asking you for you as a human.

• 2:34:11Speaker 01

  I'm not taking, I'm not taking another COVID jab.

• 2:34:14Speaker 02

  And do you think it's ethical for a doctor, knowing that there's 60 billion copies, to put that into another human being?

• 2:34:23Speaker 01

  I think that-

• 2:34:24Speaker 02

  It's an ethical question, not a policy question.

• 2:34:26Speaker 01

  If what you are saying is true, then no, I do not think it's ethical. If what you are saying is true.

• 2:34:30Speaker 02

  See, it wasn't that hard, Callie.

• 2:34:31Speaker 01

  If what you were saying is true.

• 2:34:33Speaker 02

  Wasn't that hard?

• 2:34:33Speaker 01

  Hold on, I made a quote, if what you're saying is true. If what you're saying-

• 2:34:37Speaker 02

  I already know it's true.

• 2:34:38Speaker 03

  What's your reluctance to get another shot? What's, why, what is your reluctance to not get another shot?

• 2:34:45Speaker 01

  That-

• 2:34:46Speaker 03

  Based on what?

• 2:34:50Speaker 02

  It's a good question.

• 2:34:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:34:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:34:52Speaker 01

  Um, and I think it's a fair one. The risk, the risk reward. Okay. The risk reward. I guess my interpretation of the risk.

• 2:34:58Speaker 03

  Would you recommend that your dad get the COVID shot?

• 2:35:01Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:35:01Speaker 03

  Would you recommend your, your child get the COVID?

• 2:35:03Speaker 01

  Absolutely not.

• 2:35:03Speaker 03

  So who would you recommend that, why do we need to keep these COVID shots on the market?

• 2:35:07Speaker 01

  So, so, so guys, not evil for saying this, let's just back up, not evading. There's a couple of different levels. There's let people make their own decisions with full transparency. Now, I think that's very evil in a lot of ways because our system is fucked beyond recognition with the, so, so I get that. I get that. I get that's actually what you probably think.

• 2:35:28Speaker 02

  No, what I'm saying is in her hospital.

• 2:35:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35:30Speaker 02

  Remember what she said?

• 2:35:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35:31Speaker 02

  Her hospital, they're mandating.

• 2:35:33Speaker 01

  Which is crazy. So, so, so, so, so there's, there's the, the, what, the minimum is full transparency and let people make their own decisions. I actually probably like you, I'm a libertarian and I, I honestly think deregulation on drugs, if as long as there's full transparency, let people experiment with what they want to experiment. I, I'm, I'm generally a supporter of that. Now, I get that, now I, I kind of have this problem with food. You know, I get attacked for, you know, you know, oh, your nanny state, you want to ban these. I'm like, the ingredients that are in the food is totally a construct of a very corrupt system and correcting the corrupt. So you, so you probably feel me saying like.

• 2:36:09Speaker 02

  I, I do.

• 2:36:10Speaker 01

  You probably feel me saying like, um, like just let people make their own decision is not correcting for the incredible injustice. But, but that's one area you can have.

• 2:36:18Speaker 02

  Well, that's, that's decentralization.

• 2:36:20Speaker 01

  We have to have that. I, I think, I think any type of mandates are completely unacceptable, particularly on this issue. You have to have that. And I think everyone's aligned with the insistence of absolute truth and transparency and low, and no mandates. Like that, okay. Then you get to a situation where you have truth and reconciliation and transparency on this being a bioweapon, on this being really killing people, on this being totally misled. My personal opinion, if you're asking from a macro policy perspective, and I could be wrong on this, this is my opinion, is that we're not at the, that point of absolute utter ban. And actually the principles probably that we actually agree with on a lot of degrees is more of a libertarian, full transparency and let people make their own decision with no mandates.

• 2:37:01Speaker 01

  So what I, again, I am not standing, and Jack, we're having, we're connecting. I don't get why you're.

• 2:37:11Speaker 01

  tweeting for hundreds of times about me like like I'm not standing I am truly

• 2:37:15Speaker 03

  wait before y'all start fighting

• 2:37:16Speaker 01

  look at me hold on we're not fighting I actually I think we're connecting I I I am not trying to stop progress on any of this

• 2:37:25Speaker 03

  okay this is what I want to say

• 2:37:26Speaker 01

  I'm not that's my opinion I I think we're not quite there at a full ban

• 2:37:30Speaker 03

  okay alright I know because because going against mandates is a very safe thing to say right now it was not safe when I said it when I said it I

• 2:37:41Speaker 01

  I tweeted about in 2021 you picked up some other I have I actually have tweeted about mandates in 2021

• 2:37:46Speaker 03

  I'm just saying that the the paradigm has shifted because at one point it was very dangerous to say eliminate you know mandates are wrong that's what I got cancelled for that's what Methodist went after me and one day I tweeted 25 times vaccine mandates are wrong over and over again and then five days later five days later yeah next thing I know I've been suspended

• 2:38:06Danny Jones?

  isn't it suicide for these folks to literally ban something that was mandated two years ago isn't that suicide

• 2:38:12Speaker 02

  yes because they have no they have liability

• 2:38:15Speaker 03

  but but

• 2:38:15Speaker 02

  they actually have liability where the issue comes in is the Rico case

• 2:38:19Danny Jones?

  right exactly

• 2:38:20Speaker 02

  that's the difference

• 2:38:21Danny Jones?

  for sure

• 2:38:21Speaker 03

  but so now I I guarantee you five five years from now you'll be you'll be saying oh yeah those covid shots are really bad we should have taken them off the market a long time ago because the paradigm is going to continue to shift because we are not giving up I mean I am I'm just getting louder and louder and louder and especially you know it'll be very interesting to see once Trump takes office because I can guarantee you there's so many people that went along just to get Trump in office and if he disappoints it's gonna be a big deal and people are gonna completely freak out

• 2:38:50Speaker 01

  I I would say that there's been a very positive coalition that's come together that could redefine American politics who's very focused on Malha issues that include getting the corruption of our pharmaceutical systems I think that's a great opportunity too yeah Sorry to interrupt.

• 2:39:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and it's it's very clear, especially with people like you who have been outspoken with it, and I think it's a very good thing that you're doing this and and you've garnered a ton of attention on X. I mean, you have like over half a million followers on X. And meanwhile, simultaneously, you cannot be found on YouTube. I think that speaks volumes.

• 2:39:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. I've been canceled and I have these videos that run on other platforms, but I was quickly removed off of YouTube.

• 2:39:27Speaker 01

  Which I think is unacceptable and anti-science.

• 2:39:30Speaker 02

  But it fits.

• 2:39:31Speaker 03

  It's the world we live in. It's normal. It doesn't even bother me now because I'm just like, oh, yeah, of course. It doesn't even and that's sad. It's normalized.

• 2:39:37Speaker 01

  I think anything, obviously, anything that the powers that be that you have a lot of distrust for, both you guys and should, are like preventing the American people and infantilizing them from asking questions about is a huge, huge red flag. And I think, you know, not just with health, but the what, you know, Trump is talking about with this, you know, Elon and everything. It's like it's like getting more sunlight. I think we I think, you know, again, like, Jack, I'm not saying I'm not aware of the crazy forces and the huge reasons to be pessimistic. But like, I do think the first I think.

• 2:40:08Speaker 02

  I'm giving you more credit now because you are walking a very fine line. Don't don't think that I don't understand that. Okay, I'm not I'm not looking to harpoon your reputation over that. I get the fact that this is a very, very fine line for you. If I was in your shoes, and I wasn't a doctor, I could see your perspective clearly. I think what I came here really to find out, was that truly who Callie Means was or or not? Now,

• 2:40:49Speaker 02

  the thing is, I think you could have gotten around this much, much easier than we did today, if you actually would have said that. Now, remember, I respect you.

• 2:41:02Speaker 02

  For you, running your own race, because that's what I teach my, my, my customers to do. But I, I need you to always be mindful in the future. But talk about the big elephant in the room. Let's not just talk about our ideology. Like I, I didn't talk about some of the ideology that I have about this whole thing. Because to be honest with you, uh, this is where Mary and I are very strongly aligned. The vaccine is the biggest issue of the day. I, I would, I tell my people, it's always about artificial light and non-ADV MF and big tech. But she's right. Jack's not here talking about that.

• 2:41:44Speaker 02

  It's the vaccine and the amount of people that have been killed by it. To be honest with you, history will be written someday about what some of us did. And I'm just going to tell you, Kevin McCarren is an absolute hero. Philip Buckholz is a hero. But I'm going to let you know, there's people out there that you're acquainted with. It got them the data they needed to have this story come out. And those fuckers in Washington DC, they're going to pay a price for it. Sooner or later, they're going to pay a price. And the people that really made this decision.

• 2:42:24Speaker 03

  I don't think they will, but.

• 2:42:25Speaker 02

  Well, I think they're gonna.

• 2:42:27Speaker 01

  Jack, so, so.

• 2:42:31Speaker 01

  You know, okay. There's, I see the, I see it as this coalition of many different perspectives coming together. And I think you guys, and one of the reasons I wanted to come here is because I, I, you know, and I've appreciate connecting with you. I knew, I knew your heart was just totally fighting for your patients. I, that was so clear to me. And I think you, I, in my head, you share a similar desire I have, which is we're warriors and trying to, and, and, and, and Jack, I, I know in many places your heart, you're, you're, I, you've suffered a lot. You've been, you know, taken a lot of arrows, much more than I have and, and are fighting for this. I've seen myself as one person, not supplanting anything, but just trying to help.

• 2:43:16Speaker 01

  And I think one way, you know, this can really be positive is to wake, you know, and, and as many people as possible up and, and I, you know, I don't think we should have incremental change, but I think, you know. I think, I think you guys will probably agree with that. We got, we got a shot like in the next two years. I think if, if we don't get some progress, and I believe it's more holistic. I do, my brain-

• 2:43:37Speaker 02

  I don't, I think it's all COVID.

• 2:43:38Speaker 01

  But, but, but, but, but if we agree with that, if we agree with that, then how do we get there? And talking about it as aggressively as you're talking about it in the first day is not necessarily, you can grant this, that's, there's a separate between what the goal is and what the strategy is. So, so you're saying that because I'm not aggressively going, it might not be the right strategy to tell on day one, to put everyone in Guantanamo Bay and mass bans to achieve the result that you're looking to achieve. That's what I would just ask you. Like, I, I, I think there is a difference, and I, I believe that in your guys' head, that me thinking about the strategy is a sign for suspicion.

• 2:44:24Speaker 02

  There's no question.

• 2:44:25Speaker 03

  But you have a different goal than we do.

• 2:44:26Speaker 01

  No, no, no, I, I don't, I don't know. I actually don't know if that's true.

• 2:44:30Speaker 03

  Did we convince you?

• 2:44:32Speaker 01

  No, no, no, hold on. So, so, so-

• 2:44:34Speaker 02

  Well, actually, we shouldn't have to convince them. What should really convince you is hopefully Danny gives you the Kevin McKeon podcast, and you listen to what he says in there.

• 2:44:44Speaker 01

  Well, can, can I be honest with you? I am focused on, I mean, what, what drives my passion is talking about a multi-dimensional front on kids that includes a richer and richer data points. That's what I'm passionate about. I'm not passionate about going in podcasts and arguing that one thing is more important than the other. And I do, and we've talked about this, I do think that, um, you know, what's happened to ultra-processed food with kids is a really important issue. I'm not trying to even stack rank that. The book actually, very importantly, says food is very important, but it doesn't stack rank. It actually says there's a multi-dimensional threat. I do think-

• 2:45:23Speaker 03

  That leaves out vaccines.

• 2:45:24Speaker 01

  No, no, no. Well, so, so I would say-

• 2:45:27Speaker 02

  Kyle, you can't back away from that. It doesn't have the word vaccine in it once.

• 2:45:30Speaker 01

  Hold on, hold on.

• 2:45:31Speaker 02

  And it was written during COVID.

• 2:45:32Speaker 01

  Is that true? It doesn't have the word vaccine in it once?

• 2:45:34Speaker 02

  It doesn't. I read it. I can tell you.

• 2:45:35Speaker 01

  Hold on, hold on.

• 2:45:38Speaker 01

  The book was turned in, yeah, like before, like 2021, 22. Um, the book, the books, the book, absolutely. And this isn't like some secret like strategy. It's like, we didn't want to talk about the COVID vaccines in the book. That wasn't even the discussion I have with anybody. It's just like, that was not the purpose of the book.

• 2:45:53Speaker 03

  It's an off limits, just.

• 2:45:54Speaker 01

  No. It was never told, it was never told. Discussion. It was not, never discuss, never discuss with me and Casey, never discuss with her. People who do podcasts. If you want to have a career. Hold on. Okay, sure. Never discuss with me and Casey. Never a, um, discussion with the publishers. Self-centric, I don't know. But, but like, I would say, you know, that wasn't what we were trying to write about. Like, like, we were trying to make, we were trying to write a book for a parent who is totally in the dark about this shit. And we talked about this, that that book could be a gateway. I think our book's probably been a gateway for people, like, probably hopefully going more down the rabbit hole and like, listening to your guys' stuff. Like, I think there's a lot of overlap. Like, that was the purpose of the book.

• 2:46:39Speaker 01

  The purpose of the book is that I read some other books and kind of started going down the rabbit hole. And I'm more down the rabbit hole now. So like, that book, that was the purpose of the book. It was not a deliberate thing, not to mention, but it, again, I think it talks a lot about pharmaceuticals. And I do think the book is a gateway. You know, it's part of the gateway, it's happening with many things. So if that book leads people to follow you and, and leads people on a journey, I can tell you, I think it has actually opened the door for a lot of people on a journey. And it's not a journey to love vaccines and trust the medical system. So, so that, that, that was the goal, um, on that. As far as what I'm passionate about, like, I, I just can't emphasize this enough, like, they're like,

• 2:47:24Speaker 01

  I want you guys to get the message out, like, we should have these conversations. I think, I think the tactical, I think it goes to your point about DC. My personal opinion is you can get a couple of big things done. This is my thought. There's got to be some really big wins that are really visible and really quick on this, impugning this idea of our sick care system. And then as wins pile up. There's an 80,000 person department and we can hopefully get good people in there and they can do bureaucratic things to unwind the deep state along with the vague, along with Elon. And I think there's a very optimistic mission there. My personal opinion is if you go day one and tell to lock everyone out, go to Dynamo, it's actually going to subvert. I would actually potentially argue, if you want to be conspiratorial, that you're the one that's actually trying to

• 2:48:08Speaker 01

  subvert at exactly what you're trying to get done.

• 2:48:10Speaker 02

  And you know what? I respect your opinion of that, but here's where I know you're dead wrong.

• 2:48:14Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:48:14Speaker 02

  I got, I got Pukeli and Malay as proof that it's right.

• 2:48:18Speaker 01

  Well, he's a dictator. He's a dictator.

• 2:48:20Speaker 02

  He's not.

• 2:48:21Speaker 01

  Well, it's a little bit less democratic checks and norms.

• 2:48:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:24Speaker 02

  How, how can you say, how can you, how can you say that when he got 90% of the vote?

• 2:48:29Speaker 01

  I'm, I, I think he's great. I, I'm just saying there's a little bit of less checks there and you know, fine, but.

• 2:48:35Speaker 02

  I would say there's less checks to the United States.

• 2:48:37Speaker 01

  Jack, Jack, Jack, we're looking at each other. I know, I know you agree with this. Like, I think it's a little bit your head in the sand saying, well, if only they just accepted my constitutional amendment. That's what you're saying.

• 2:48:47Speaker 02

  I'm not.

• 2:48:48Speaker 01

  What are you saying?

• 2:48:48Speaker 02

  They did it without the constitutional amendment. That's the whole point.

• 2:48:51Speaker 01

  Jack, like, Jack, look, look.

• 2:48:53Speaker 02

  They, they slashed and burned government.

• 2:48:56Speaker 01

  Jack.

• 2:48:57Speaker 02

  Closed places down that needed to be closed down.

• 2:48:59Speaker 01

  Jack, Jack, I am like.

• 2:49:00Speaker 02

  They didn't, they didn't have a discussion. They didn't wait for transparency.

• 2:49:03Speaker 01

  Jack.

• 2:49:04Speaker 02

  They cut the cancer out.

• 2:49:05Speaker 01

  You have been very effective. If you want to strategize, not that I could even offer you that much, like your idea should get out there. Like, I fully support that. Like, nobody's standing in your way. Like, I don't think anything I've done has in any way stood in your way. Like, like, like, I, you know, absolutely will listen to this podcast. I think, I, like, it is actually exciting listening to you guys talk. And like, the idea of in the next year, more truth getting out there. Like, like, I support that.

• 2:49:33Danny Jones?

  And to, to Callie's point, or to the point that was made about the book not having vaccines mentioned in it, or not having the COVID shots mentioned in it, whether it was intentional or not, that is definitely something, like, if that was a book that I was writing, that is something I would absolutely think about. Whether I want the book to get out there, get picked up by a publisher and gain any sort of success. I know that if I talk about that, there is a way higher chance that that thing is going to get, hit the chopping block and not get out there. Whether, like I said, I don't know if it was intentional.

• 2:50:03Speaker 01

  The honest, the honest truth is that's.

• 2:50:04Danny Jones?

  It's definitely the truth for this.

• 2:50:06Speaker 01

  The honest truth is, is, is it was like. Like, like you know this, like you guys could, like, I, I am absolutely trying to communicate these concepts as effectively as I can. Never have I been like, I can't talk about-

• 2:50:18Speaker 02

  I can give you that pass. I don't know if I can give your sister that pass. I'm gonna be honest with you. She's a doctor. There's a difference. Like, I don't expect a lobbyist who went to Stanford and Harvard to really understand the ethics of this issue.

• 2:50:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:50:31Speaker 02

  But me and Mary on the front lines, no. Look, when you're, when you see people dying from this, no, I'm sorry.

• 2:50:39Speaker 01

  Well, well, listen, Casey can defend herself when, if she chooses, but I'd say in the realm of doctors who have, you know, kind of tried to speak out and shed light on the industry, you know, you guys are very, very out there. You know, I'd say Casey's far along on the spectrum too. I mean, she is been disinvited from a lot of the cocktail parties and, and, and has definitely gone and gone, gets the system and has been on her journey and is, is trying to communicate in her way that I believe is, is very spiritually based and has impacted and connected with a lot of people in a way that's not in any way contradictory or not overlapping with what you guys are trying to say, honestly. So, um, you know,

• 2:51:21Speaker 01

  that, that's my, that's my, that's my opinion on that. I, I think just again, we have a passion to try to articulate this overarching thesis about the secure system. And, and I think Casey, you know, she, she was in the front page article just a couple of weeks ago, attacked by the New York Times as being anti-vax. Like, she's published a lot about vaccine liability. And so it's just like, it's just not even-

• 2:51:44Speaker 02

  Did you find that?

• 2:51:45Speaker 01

  It's just not even true. If you Google New York Times, Casey vaccine, I mean, she's literally, you know, so like, she's out there. She's taken, she's taken some hits. So like, it, it, I mean, if we're together here, Jack, I mean, you can do whatever you want. Listen, I, I torment doctors. I've actually become friends with some of them. Like I, you know, I, I actually think the dogs do, but I'm not trying to build a consensus with them. But I don't get why you are- Doing hundreds of tweets. It just, it's just kinda like, you know, I don't know. I think, I think in your heart.

• 2:52:13Speaker 02

  I told you.

• 2:52:14Speaker 01

  I think in your heart, I think in your heart, you are fighting for the right thing. I don't, I don't wanna get into motivations. But it's just like, whatever. This is where I'm coming from. Um, I, I just, I just, um.

• 2:52:25Speaker 02

  I guess I only fight for the truth.

• 2:52:28Speaker 01

  Good. And I, and I think you have a record of that. I mean, I think some of it's out there, but you gotta be a little out there to fight for the truth. I, whatever. Everyone's got their own tactics. I, I think the macro, like the macro thing here, maybe what's like applicable to most listeners. It's like, I think you guys are hanging on this question of like, I don't know, like, are we in a time of optimism for health?

• 2:52:48Speaker 02

  I don't think me and Mary are optimistic anymore. We're not. That's why I said, me, you and Danny, the table is definitely seesawed. Your way. We're not, we're not feeling it.

• 2:52:59Speaker 01

  I don't know. Whatever.

• 2:53:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:53:03Danny Jones?

  Steve, can you not, is it behind a paywall?

• 2:53:04Speaker 02

  I think, I think in the first hundred days, we're gonna find out if who's right on this.

• 2:53:08Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, you might, you might be. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Whatever.

• 2:53:13Danny Jones?

  Which one is it? Trump's transition team?

• 2:53:16Speaker 01

  I don't know. Yeah, it's like Casey's and anti-vax. It was like a couple of weeks ago.

• 2:53:22Danny Jones?

  Type in Casey means anti-vax.

• 2:53:24Speaker 01

  It's fine. Um, you, you, you know, we've spoken about this and, and I, I feel like you're, I don't.

• 2:53:30Speaker 02

  I think you've spoken about it, but I need this to be your top message.

• 2:53:35Speaker 01

  So that's never gonna happen. Okay, let me tell you why. Hold on, hold on.

• 2:53:38Speaker 02

  No, you don't have to tell me. You already told me for two and a half hours. I get it.

• 2:53:42Speaker 01

  But, but do you not grant that me communicating and trying to communicate, which could totally evolve? But.

• 2:53:49Speaker 02

  I think I can buy that you, I think I can buy you not doing it, but I can't buy your sister.

• 2:53:54Speaker 01

  But, but, but why? Like, like, it's getting the same answer. Like, why, like,

• 2:54:01Speaker 01

  getting people bodied. Into this system being totally rigged against us. And do you disagree with what my foundational goal in life is? We from a policy perspective, which is that 95% of medical funding right now, medical spending is on interventions after we get sick.

• 2:54:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's all bullshit.

• 2:54:16Speaker 01

  And we should free that up to have people experiment about exercise, about light, about whatever. Like, that's my goal.

• 2:54:22Speaker 02

  I'm actually totally different than you. I want the whole system blown up.

• 2:54:26Speaker 01

  Great, like the.

• 2:54:27Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't even want to talk about this.

• 2:54:29Speaker 01

  Decentralize. Yeah, like, like.

• 2:54:31Speaker 02

  I don't.

• 2:54:31Speaker 01

  You're probably more, but like, that is like.

• 2:54:33Speaker 02

  I don't. I'm not interested in that.

• 2:54:35Speaker 01

  That is, um.

• 2:54:38Speaker 01

  That is what I'm trying to do too. So like probably in different, but like. So you're telling me that you're not satisfied unless, well, let me ask you, because I know you're very close to Nicole. That's not her message. Like, that's not other people's message. Why aren't you so hard on her? Why aren't you that hard on her?

• 2:54:51Speaker 02

  I am. You, the thing, the thing is.

• 2:54:54Speaker 03

  Actually, Nicole has publicly stated that the COVID shot should be pulled off the market.

• 2:54:59Speaker 02

  She has.

• 2:55:00Speaker 03

  She is on Twitter.

• 2:55:01Speaker 01

  And I'm just, I'm just giving example.

• 2:55:02Speaker 02

  Nicole, Nicole.

• 2:55:03Speaker 01

  I'm just giving example, like, like.

• 2:55:06Speaker 02

  If you ask Nicole or Jake, um, my first two encounters with Nicole, you will find out that I treated you with kid gloves. I was brutal to her.

• 2:55:17Speaker 01

  Good.

• 2:55:18Danny Jones?

  This says Kay or Casey was floated to be the, would go up to be the head of the what? The FDA. Okay.

• 2:55:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, just, you guys, it's fine.

• 2:55:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:28Speaker 01

  There's a, there's a New York Times article that's in her newsletter. She questioned vaccines. I'm just saying like, like Casey has, you know, I don't know. Like, we have a thesis.

• 2:55:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, but she has.

• 2:55:38Speaker 01

  Do you even disagree? Do you even disagree with our key thesis? Like, do you even like, do you even like, like, I know you have.

• 2:55:43Speaker 03

  I think we all said, we said we agree.

• 2:55:44Speaker 02

  We already agree.

• 2:55:45Speaker 01

  What's the problem?

• 2:55:46Speaker 02

  I told you what the problem is. Your prob, the problem is your sister, even though she doesn't have a license, she's a doctor. And, and guess what? Those people that have the MD. More is want.

• 2:55:57Speaker 03

  Well, I, I.

• 2:55:58Speaker 02

  I, I give you the pass because you know what?

• 2:56:00Speaker 03

  I don't give him a pass. I don't give you a pass. Sorry, but you do have a gigantic microphone and you have the, the, the ear of.

• 2:56:06Speaker 02

  She's holding your feet to the fire more than I am.

• 2:56:08Speaker 03

  Kennedy and Trump and your whole thing is health. So I do, I do, I'm not giving you a pass. But I give, I guess Casey has a little more because she is a doctor. But if you didn't have this, this big platform, uh, we wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't give you any trouble whatsoever.

• 2:56:22Speaker 01

  Listen, I think this is a great conversation. I'd just say for everyone, like. Everyone needs to be on their own thing, and I think actually outside agitation and disruption and criticism, frankly, is what I feel like I've been doing the past couple of years. I think it's fine. I also don't think you need to, there's any more obligation to be supportive of anything. And so it's just like, it's just like, I think that there's an, this is sounds woo woo, but this is what I think. I think there's an energy to this movement around Maha. And the more every part of the coalition could just be like, just trying to make it successful.

• 2:56:55Speaker 02

  I hope you're right.

• 2:56:56Speaker 01

  I, to be honest with you, I hope you're right. And I could definitely, but, but, but, but Jack, like, of course, in a year, you could be tweeting about how stupid I was and saying this is all my job to subvert it. No, it could definitely get subverted. But like, we're at the moment right now where I think there's a lot of optimism in the country. So like, I'm just saying, like, you know, the energy kind of dictates that too. Like, like, like, I think a coalition came together and an energy on this issue came together that's more than the media understands. Like, I actually think like, a lot of people have been really woken up. And I think the campaign Maha message was very positive. Like, it was very like, optimistic. And I think if that could be translated into wins for President Trump, and we can be like,

• 2:57:40Speaker 01

  positive and organized and not immediately distrustful, of course, there's going to be decisions we don't fully support, right? It's like, you know, you know, on the person, but like, like, this is a team that's ready to execute that President Trump picked, you know, Bobby's in there, nobody's controlling Bobby. Um, you know, there's a real sense of optimism and positivity. And, and, and, and I got to say this, there's a, there's a desire to get ideas and thinking and big ideas from, from everyone. And I know you're talking to people. It just, you know, I, it's very imperfect.

• 2:58:10Speaker 02

  I'm not interested in the United States, just so you know.

• 2:58:12Speaker 01

  It's very imperfect. It's very imperfect, but it's like.

• 2:58:15Speaker 02

  I don't have the interests, like incentives dictate outcomes.

• 2:58:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:58:19Speaker 02

  My incentives aren't for the United States, my friend. When you're decentralized, my interests are where Mary's at.

• 2:58:25Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:58:26Speaker 02

  In the office with the patient.

• 2:58:28Speaker 01

  And you're the warrior for that.

• 2:58:30Speaker 03

  Okay, this, this situation affected every single American, right? It's a gigantic problem and it's been swept under the rug. That is why we are so riled up and so passionate and, and so mistrustful because it affected every American. It didn't obviously affect you as much as.

• 2:58:48Speaker 01

  My heart is, I've shown my heart is.

• 2:58:49Speaker 02

  I agree that affected you. Why? Because you got on a podcast and said, I took 60 billion copies and I'm okay with it.

• 2:58:56Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, I understand okay with it.

• 2:58:58Speaker 02

  No, I'm saying you're okay with it. You rolled your sleeve up, you complied. I mean, oh, what I'm saying to you, as a guy who's a lobbyist, who knows how bad the actors are.

• 2:59:11Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 2:59:12Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:59:12Speaker 01

  Oh, if you want to get into my specific.

• 2:59:14Speaker 02

  I don't want to get into it. And what I'm trying to say to you is to prove her point. That's how successful the propaganda was.

• 2:59:21Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:59:22Speaker 02

  That's why this is an issue for everybody in America.

• 2:59:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:59:26Speaker 02

  Even Callie Means fell prey to this with your message. And I would think, I would think that after this podcast, that maybe you would reflect a little bit on that and say, you know, maybe I should have talked a little bit about this issue and what that means that one time. Like the, the, you know, the saddest outcome for this podcast is, I don't want, no, listen to me. I, I don't want to see what happened to your mom happen to you. I certainly do not want that outcome for you. And the thing is, I need you to understand that that outcome, based on Kevin McCarron in science and confirmed by multiple labs,

• 3:00:07Speaker 02

  that's a real risk for Callie Means, not a small risk, a pretty fucking big risk. And you did a good job in this podcast saying, yeah, I'm not doing that again. I'm not letting my family do that again. So that's a good thing. It means that you, you took your punch in the mouth and learned the lesson. But what you have to realize as the lobbyist, talking to two doctors, that our job is to advocate for our patients. And when we see somebody floating more on the political side, you need to understand where we're coming from.

• 3:00:41Speaker 01

  Well, I, I told, I told you, I know your heart and. You know, I'm, I'm, we've connected today. I think, I think you're.

• 3:00:50Speaker 02

  I think we've made some progress.

• 3:00:51Speaker 01

  Conspiratorial, but um, but I think, I think I am coming because it is super reasonable and I think it's high stakes and. Um, where do, where do we go from here? I, I don't.

• 3:01:02Speaker 03

  You're gonna go back to Trump and tell him that he needs to take the shots off the market.

• 3:01:07Speaker 01

  Trump, like, like Casey has not even been involved with this.

• 3:01:10Speaker 02

  I'm gonna tell you the bare minimum. This is what I would say for me. I think that you need to talk about, I think Danny needs to get your copy of McCarron's.

• 3:01:21Speaker 01

  So, yeah.

• 3:01:21Speaker 02

  And then what I'd really like for you to do. Is you stewing those tomatoes for a while and really understand what it means.

• 3:01:29Speaker 01

  You have my commitment on that. You have my commitment on that. I don't, I don't like this gun to my head of like telling me what my message should be.

• 3:01:36Speaker 02

  You already got the gun to your head. In fact, you shot yourself in the brain and you don't really, because she took the job.

• 3:01:43Speaker 01

  Well, well, let me, yeah, let me be clear about this. I think you could judge me for that.

• 3:01:48Speaker 02

  Oh, no, I'm not. I'm actually trying to tell you, I'm trying to tell you as a doctor.

• 3:01:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:01:53Speaker 02

  That I don't really think you understand truly what you did.

• 3:01:57Speaker 01

  You're actually making me, I mean, it was evil. My mom was gonna die in the COVID, you know, protocols. We weren't getting to see her.

• 3:02:02Speaker 02

  You wouldn't go see her anything.

• 3:02:04Speaker 01

  Getting pressured right after he died. We were scared about seeing my dad and you know, like, like, yeah, it was like, it was like a whole, it was crazy and I.

• 3:02:09Speaker 02

  I'm just gonna tell you, the reason I brought up what I brought before your mother, because you need to hear this, you do need to look at the death certificate. I guarantee you that Stanford, no, I'm gonna tell you.

• 3:02:18Speaker 01

  What does it say? What you said, you said it's public?

• 3:02:20Speaker 02

  Don't worry about it. You know, you have to, your sister should do this and then get the EOB for your mother. And you're gonna find out that Stanford upcharged her.

• 3:02:30Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I know.

• 3:02:31Speaker 02

  Unbelievable amounts because of COVID.

• 3:02:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:02:34Speaker 02

  So guess what? That is something for you and your sisters to set the record on.

• 3:02:40Speaker 01

  We talk about that. We talk about that. It's crazy.

• 3:02:42Speaker 02

  You need to go look at it and then start asking the question, what the fuck?

• 3:02:48Danny Jones?

  Also, we've talked about Kevin McKeon in quite a bit, but I don't think we've really alluded so that the elevator pitch of like his background is he sort of blew the whistle on when he got his hands on some vials of the actual Pfizer vaccine. And he discovered in his lab that there were DNA plasmid contamination inside of.

• 3:03:04Speaker 02

  Not just that, the SV40 promoter.

• 3:03:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:03:07Speaker 02

  And if you go look at the FDA, it was never disclosed to the FDA.

• 3:03:12Danny Jones?

  So.

• 3:03:12Speaker 02

  In fact, it was taken out with a molecular tool so that the FDA couldn't find it.

• 3:03:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:03:19Speaker 02

  And so the FDA never knew about this and then found out about it later. And it turned out Kevin was the one that pointed it out. That the evidence was actually in the data, but they didn't.

• 3:03:32Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:03:32Speaker 02

  They didn't talk about.

• 3:03:33Danny Jones?

  And Kevin is a super reasonable guy. I mean, he's got a really strong background in this stuff and DNA and human genome project. And he has a very reasonable approach to this thing. The way he lays it out, it's very compelling. And it's, he's simply just stating data. He's not like.

• 3:03:50Speaker 02

  He has no, he's not incentivized.

• 3:03:51Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 3:03:52Speaker 01

  Good. You have, okay. So let's, like, you have my absolute commitment. We are all on a journey. I've been on a journey for years on this issue spurred by Casey's journey. Like, the rabbit hole goes deep. Everything should be questioned. Like, if what you guys are saying is true, which is, is like, you know, this is, this is paradigm shifting crazy. Not crazy as in you guys are saying, but like crazy information. I mean, I, I don't, I think it should be.

• 3:04:23Speaker 02

  Callie, I want, I want to say something to you. So I hope you take this the right way. You know why this is, for me, this is from a doctor to you.

• 3:04:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:04:32Speaker 02

  You have your mother's engines in you. Your mother died at 71 years old and you took a job that has 61 billion copies of SV40 in it.

• 3:04:41Speaker 02

  Do you know truly what that means? Cause I don't think you do. And I want your commitment that you're gonna go home and learn about that. And then when you learn about it and you find out that Mary and Uncle Jack ain't bullshitting you, that you talk about that from your perspective, not a policy perspective, not your wife's perspective, not Casey's, Callie's perspective about what it feels like. Okay? Cause I'm gonna tell you, I just spent a weekend with Nicole Shanahan. And let me tell you something, her perspective about what's happening to her right now? And what she now knows and how sick she she's been? Over this very issue.

• 3:05:25Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:05:26Speaker 02

  It's a big problem, my friend.

• 3:05:29Speaker 01

  So, so Jack, let me speak personally for me. Um, there's massive growing suspicion in my head and everyone's head with the level of obfuscation and lies and corruption that happened during COVID, including with the COVID vaccine. And what you're saying is super alarming. Um, you have my commitment that I am gonna review that and think about it really seriously.

• 3:05:54Speaker 02

  That's it. That's all, that's all I'm asking you to do.

• 3:05:56Speaker 01

  And, and that's, that's for me. Um, nothing will surprise me. And I think one of the things I'm really optimistic about this time is that we can start asking questions and, and talk and, um, and, and, and, and shifts in paradigms, you know? And I think, I think what we're talking about, you know, going against a, you know, unambiguous government recommendation, there's huge forces to, to, to not have that conversation happening that I'm very skeptical of.

• 3:06:23Speaker 02

  Well, you have to realize something that, that Mary brought up earlier. The shot that you took is now being retooled in flu shots now. Now it's being retooled in other shots. So guess what? The data that Kevin's got, you can't take another vaccine, my friend, because you're the first one you took. If you do, you are basically rolling the dice, just like your mom did.

• 3:06:45Speaker 01

  Well, true, truly, I, I, I mean, if, if, if we're a different place now, Jack, I mean, I'd be hoping.

• 3:06:51Speaker 02

  No, I'm just, I'm just warning you as a doctor to a regular guy.

• 3:06:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:06:58Speaker 02

  That you need to consider this because guess what? I think the more this gets real for you personally. Then you're gonna look at your wife, you're gonna look at your your children, you're gonna start looking at everybody around you. A little bit more differently and you may realize why we're very concerned.

• 3:07:18Speaker 01

  I feel

• 3:07:18Speaker 02

  I actually think that both of us care about you more than you care about you.

• 3:07:24Speaker 01

  Thank you. Uh, you think so you're concerned about I I think it's 90% of the American people got at least one.

• 3:07:31Speaker 03

  Seventy five percent.

• 3:07:32Speaker 01

  You're concerned about ever like

• 3:07:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, but the interesting thing is where his family's from, it was over 90%. That's my

• 3:07:40Speaker 01

  I thought at least 90% got one.

• 3:07:43Speaker 02

  No, overall, United States, she's right, it's around 75.

• 3:07:46Speaker 03

  But I thought last

• 3:07:47Speaker 01

  But you're concerned about every single person that got

• 3:07:50Speaker 02

  Well, no, I I I can tell you right now, Kevin's data. The things that we've been sharing. Him and I have been going back and forth for a long time. This data is even worse than I thought.

• 3:08:02Speaker 01

  That

• 3:08:03Speaker 03

  I think the problem now is

• 3:08:04Speaker 01

  I I have my commitment to look deeply into that for myself and it's obviously concerning and then I I I truly, I hope you can see my heart, like, want that data to get out and want you guys to be as successful as possible. And I think it's criminal. And you've taken so many arrows, Mary. To, you know, speak your truth, which is, which is a disgrace and

• 3:08:25Speaker 02

  But just remember, her truth is your truth now. You've been informed.

• 3:08:29Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 3:08:29Speaker 02

  That you're now GMO guy.

• 3:08:33Speaker 02

  That's the truth. Remember, you when you say pharmaceutical stuff.

• 3:08:37Speaker 01

  I hear you.

• 3:08:38Speaker 02

  It's not a pharmaceutical. It's gene therapy.

• 3:08:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:08:41Speaker 02

  You are just like Monsanto now.

• 3:08:44Speaker 01

  Jack, I I'm with you. I hear you. Did I mean, do I not seem like an open minded person?

• 3:08:47Speaker 02

  I want to make sure that that magnitude.

• 3:08:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:08:51Speaker 02

  Hit you so you understand why we're saying what we're saying.

• 3:08:54Speaker 01

  I can see you have deep concern and are saying that with concern and I, and I hear you and I hear the seriousness of what you're saying.

• 3:09:00Danny Jones?

  Listen, thank you guys very much. We just did three hours. Um, I think that this is a really important that we did this. I think it was really cool that we all got together and got to some sort of consensus on our agreement, whether we agree with each other's angles on approach or not. It seems like we all have the same overall goals. So again, thank you, Callie for coming. I really appreciate it. Mary and then Jack coming all the way from El Salvador to, to do this.

• 3:09:24Speaker 02

  I gotta go Christmas shopping.

• 3:09:26Danny Jones?

  I know you do. To hash this out. I think this is really important for the, especially for the people that are listening to it. So, um, so.

• 3:09:33Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 3:09:33Speaker 02

  Thanks Danny.

• 3:09:34Danny Jones?

  In that world.

• 3:09:36Speaker 05

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