"The REAL Reason You're Dying" – Gary Brecka SLAMS Corporate Scams, Genetic Tests & Health Myths | PBD Podcast | Ep. 557

Patrick Bet-David sits down with Gary Brecka to discuss the science behind predicting life expectancy, his journey from the life insurance industry to health optimization, and the groundbreaking methods he uses to help people, including UFC's Dana White, extend their lifespan and performance. ---- 👕 GET THE LATEST VT MERCH: ⁠https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l⁠ https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw/⁠ https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:31Speaker 01

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• 0:57Speaker 02

  What you're about to see in the next five to 10 years, artificial intelligence and big data are going to circumvent the entire system.

• 1:05Speaker 02

  You are succumbing to a disease because of a surgery that wasn't required, because of a medication that was unnecessary, due to a diagnosis that was inaccurate.

• 1:14Patrick Bet-David?

  The experts are making the mistake on the reason why you're dying.

• 1:17Speaker 02

  No question. You see, we'd mapped the entire human genome, but there's no gene for a lot of these diseases.

• 1:23Patrick Bet-David?

  And this study was registered at clinicaltrials.gov?

• 1:27Speaker 02

  Yes, you can go look this study up. We have this all wrong. The Maha movement is about making changes to the poison that's in our food supply, not eliminating people's choices.

• 1:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't see Cardone as a health guy, seeing him as a real estate guy. What happened?

• 1:42Speaker 02

  So sad. They're actually kind of professionals at business scamming.

• 1:46Patrick Bet-David?

  How much time commitment does it take to look like that?

• 1:49Speaker 02

  Less than you think.

• 1:50Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not complicated. That's simple to do.

• 1:52Speaker 02

  It's super not complicated, man. I wish I could sell it.

• 1:55Patrick Bet-David?

  How long of doing that do you see the results?

• 1:57Speaker 02

  Immediately.

• 1:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 1:59Speaker 02

  If you took... I don't know. Do I have some here? Is my team still here?

• 2:02Patrick Bet-David?

  I've never had it. I have it right now. If you want to bring one of your... I literally have it right now.

• 2:12Speaker 04

  Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright? My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 2:19Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 2:20Speaker 04

  My son's right. I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 2:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so today Gary Brecka, the man who one day we all woke up and we're on TikTok or Instagram or X or Facebook or YouTube and you hear the face of UFC Dana White saying, "This man helped me save 10 places." You got 10.4 years left to live and I did this and I lost it and then we saw Dana's body and we're like, "Holy shit, who helped this guy?" The guy that's our guest today, Gary, it's great to have you on. Great to be here, brother. I'm serious, man, I'm excited to be here. Yeah, yeah, we met a year ago, I want to say, right? The UFC fight. Yeah, we actually met in one of Dana's little private rooms there before the fights. Right. And I think it was at an event that President Trump showed up. He did.

• 3:10Patrick Bet-David?

  And Ivanka was there and we're sitting right there, it was a great experience. Dana may be one of the master connectors, introducing everybody to everybody. You're in the back, lawyers are there, Alex is there, Spiro, all these other guys, everyone's talking and you and I started talking about different things. And the part that for me, we have in common is the fact that you came from the life insurance industry, the actuary, the life settlement, and that was your introduction to seeing, because the idea with life settlement is you buy insurance policy and finding ways to see how long is this person going to live. And maybe if you don't mind sharing with the audience, the industry where you're supposed

• 3:52Patrick Bet-David?

  to calculate, because a lot of people would say, "How do you know 10.4 years?" Well, actuaries and life settlement, actually that's their business model. Maybe talk about that a little bit. You know, of all the things that I talk about, I get the most flack for that because people say, "Well, if you could predict life expectancy to the month, you know, you'd be Jesus, you would have won a Nobel Prize." And I assure you, I'm not Jesus and I've never won a Nobel Prize, but it is some of the most accurate science in the world.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  You know, if you think about life insurance companies, annuities, reverse mortgages, there's so many financial services instruments that are based on mortality, right? And they don't care where you are on an actuarial curve, right? We're all on one. Everybody listening to this podcast right now is on an actuarial curve. If you're a 24-year-old female, you have a life expectancy of X. If you're a 44-year-old male, you have a life expectancy of Y. But when they're getting ready to take 25, 40, 50, 60 million dollars' worth of risk on your life, only one thing matters. It's how many more months do you have left on earth? And about two and a half decades ago, there was a humongous push. I mean, not just because of the life settlement industry, which is the sale of policies in the secondary market, because a lot of people don't realize that your life insurance policy

• 5:11Speaker 02

  is a piece of personal property, like anything else, like your car, like your house, like anything else that you own.

• 5:16Patrick Bet-David?

  It's important for the audience to realize, this is, I own a life insurance policy. I'm 78 years old. I got a $5 million insurance policy. I don't have a living spouse that needs it. I need cash right now. I go to a life settlement company and they pay me a percentage. So if it's 5 million, maybe they'll pay me a million bucks upfront. They'll take the insurance over. So it means when I die, the 5 million goes to the person that bought it. I get 1 million and the difference is 4 million. And a new company pays the premium until I die.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  That's right. That's exactly it. That's a life settlement transaction.

• 5:48Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the calculation you make to see, is this a risk of an investment? How long is this guy gonna die? It's the complete opposite of life insurance.

• 5:55Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 5:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Where you're buying it.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  Yes. You know, so you want to know specific mortality. So these are called probabilistic models. And essentially, it's not that if you have 220 months to live, that you're gonna die in exactly 220 months. What the model predicts is if your life expectancy is 220 months, for example, just to make one up, that means that you have the exact same chance of being alive as you do of being dead. That's your mean mortality, right? So you have the same chance of being alive as being dead in 220 months. Now, what they're gonna want to know is, what are the chances that you are on the left side of the bell curve or the right side of the bell curve? And this is where this system of credits and debits comes in, right? And we all know that, you know, mortality debits are things like type 2 diabetes, morbid obesity, hypertension, you know, history of smoking, fatty liver.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  The obvious things are mortality debits. We started to then import demographic data. So we would look at lifestyle data and demographic data. And we would predict the chances that somebody would actually adjust their lifestyle and potentially fix the problems that they had. And this is when the model became extraordinarily accurate. Because these databases, don't forget, will have 300, 370 million lives. And they have information that no other database has because they know the day, the date, the time, the location, and the cause of death for 370 million lives. So they pull that back into these records and they say, what led to this person's early demise, their early mortality?

• 7:22Speaker 02

  And you can go into the actual record and you can build a case to say, they actually, they died at 77, but they actually started to die at 41 when this happened. They started a corticosteroid. The corticosteroid actually initially reduced their inflammatory cascade, but then it ate their joint like a termite. And as it ate their joint like a termite, it caused them to have, you know, bilateral knee replacements. Post bilateral knee replacement, this caused a reduction in their mobility, what we called the ambulatory profile. As you reduce their mobility, you bring in all the diseases that exacerbate with reduced mobility. And as you bring those diseases from that person's future into their present, they now succumb to a disease that they likely never should have had because very often they're on a medication that wasn't required because of a surgery that was unnecessary

• 8:06Speaker 02

  because of a diagnosis that very often was incorrect. And it was this type of research that led to the 2016 study that Harvard did that determined that the third leading cause of death in America is modern medicine. It's medical error, right? You have cardiovascular disease, cancer, and then modern medicine.

• 8:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Modern medicine, number three?

• 8:27Speaker 02

  Number three is medical error.

• 8:29Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so the experts are making the mistake on the reason why you're dying?

• 8:33Speaker 02

  No question. The experts are making the mistake on the reason why you're dying because, you know, our modern medical system, and, and the good news is, what you're about to see in the next five to 10 years, is you're going to see artificial intelligence and big data are going to circumvent the entire system. And what I mean by that is, no longer will the randomized clinical trial that's conducted by a pharmaceutical company that was used to approve a drug by, you know, through the FDA, become the standard of care. The standard of care will be the standard of care that has the best outcome. And large data is going to tell us what the best outcomes come from. So, so for example, just to go back to the case that I was just citing and, and, and finish up the first thought. So this practice of predicting death.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  Is this system of credits and debits and we realized that the reason why the majority of people are not living healthier, happier, longer, you know, more fulfilling lives were because of what we called modifiable risk factors. So in other words, things that they could actually take control of or do that would permanently change the trajectory of their life. And for me, that was

• 9:39Patrick Bet-David?

  For the positive or the negative?

• 9:40Speaker 02

  For the positive or the negative, right? I mean, lifestyle factors are the greatest impact

• 9:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Modifiable risk factor.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, modifiable risk factors, it's a fancy scientific name for saying things that are under your own control, right? And I mean, trauma, if you had, you know, major trauma, car accident, and now you have spinal injury, okay, that's not under your control. But metabolic syndrome, type 2 diabetes, morbid obesity, you know, poor sleep, poor focus and concentration, autoimmune conditions, ADD, ADHD, OCD, manic depression, bipolar, these are all conditions that lifestyle changes, modifying your lifestyle, can dramatically change not only the impact of, but permanently put these things in your rearview mirror. And we would try to predict the chance that somebody's would modify their lifestyle and

• 10:29Speaker 02

  change habits that would affect their mortality debits, and in the majority of cases, they don't. And so it was very easy to predict their death. But what happened to me was I realized, and this isn't just data, you know, they're human beings on the other side of these spreadsheets. And I made a very conscious decision to leave that industry and say, I don't want to spend the balance of my lifetime predicting death. I want to spend the balance of my lifetime, you know, trying to help people live healthier, happier, longer

• 10:57Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, this is a very important transition from there to the business you ran, because were you, were you an actual actuary or you were not the actuary, you were selling?

• 11:07Speaker 02

  No, we were, we owned the largest brokerage firm in the industry for policies in the secondary market. It's called

• 11:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Full life settlement. What was it called?

• 11:15Speaker 02

  Life Asset Group.

• 11:16Patrick Bet-David?

  So it wasn't Life Partners and Waco, was it?

• 11:17Speaker 02

  No, no, no, it wasn't Life Partners and Waco, it was called Life Asset Group. I later sold that to a big insurance conglomerate.

• 11:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Here in South Florida?

• 11:23Speaker 02

  No, in New York called Inscap.

• 11:26Patrick Bet-David?

  But the, but the life settlement was Florida?

• 11:28Speaker 02

  Yes, I was in Miami. My office was in Miami on Brickell Key.

• 11:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you ever know a guy named Jerry Voh or any?

• 11:36Speaker 02

  That name sounds familiar.

• 11:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, there was a lot of life settlement guys. I know Jerry from 20 years ago.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so to me, actually, the average person that's watching is like, what is an actuary, right? So the actuary, their job is, or even the underwriter, you'll submit an insurance policy. And you'll say, well, I think this guy's healthy. What does he do? You go through a list of questions that they look at. Maybe they'll do an EKG, blood, whatever they ask to do, depending on the age and the background it is. And then from then they're so, yeah, this guy's preferred to leave. No, you're preferred. No, you're standard. Oh, you're smoker, standard tobacco, prefer tobacco. So then you're getting graded.

• 12:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, table rated, right.

• 12:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's right. But on the opposite side of where you're at, this is how long I'm going to live. When you're buying an insurance policy. What were some of the biggest credits and debits you guys saw to say? I don't know, because again, the cost of insurance has gone down predominantly for many years because life expectancy has gone higher. So a lot of times people think life insurance must be more expensive today than ever before. It's actually cheaper because we're living longer. We used to live a lot less 40 years ago. So now it's cheaper to buy life insurance because we're living longer. But what were some of the, when you were in it and you're looking at all these things? It's like a investment banker looking at so many different deals coming through. They eventually can just look at the deal and say, no, yes, no, no, no, yes, maybe, I don't know. Let me ask this question.

• 12:55Patrick Bet-David?

  What were some of the things you looked at to say? Okay, these four behaviors, actuaries automatically are like, no, no, these are the ones we're most concerned about. But these three behaviors, okay, we're good with these. Let's go here. What did you notice?

• 13:07Speaker 02

  So three things became glaringly apparent. Number one, modifiable risk factors were things that people could change the trajectory of their life. The second thing that was glaringly apparent to us, and remember, we were not allowed to have any contact with the patient or any contact with the treating physician. Even though I could review your entire medical record, I could see, you know, you know, life insurance is a very invasive process. They get your divorce decrees, your, your bank accounts, brokerage accounts, your trusts, your wills. So.

• 13:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Especially the bigger it is.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  The bigger it is, the more invasive it is, right? And then they're going to take your medical records and then. Someone like myself or another actuary is gonna say, "These are the tests that I wanna run on this person, EKG, EEG, I'm gonna run these blood tests, not just a standard blood panel, we can request specific labs on that panel." And essentially, what you're doing is you're looking at where they are metabolically, and then you're looking at the impact of their lifestyle to either accelerate this person toward the grave, or decelerate them towards the grave. And, again, what became glaringly apparent to me was that the majority of people that are suffering from chronic conditions have not had a disease or a pathology happen to them, they're happening, that something is happening within them.

• 14:18Speaker 02

  And by that, I mean that the majority of these people were nutrient deficient. So, simple nutrients, if I put up a chart behind me of your cellular biology, and you looked at the 300 billion transactions that are going on inside your cells every single day, what you would find is you would find a whole myriad of vitamins, minerals, amino acids, nutrients, and you wouldn't see any chemicals, you wouldn't see any synthetics, you wouldn't see any pharmaceuticals. And what modern medicine has applied is everything that man makes us and taking away everything that God gave us. And what we noticed was that the nutrient deficiencies were leading to the deceleration or the acceleration of mortality. And what I mean by that, so just take the example that I just gave.

• 15:03Speaker 02

  Take vitamin D3, for example, this is, you know, when they talk about medical error, vitamin D3 is arguably, if you were to pick one compound in the human body, that may be the most important thing. When God made us, He made us with the ability to make one vitamin, right? So if I tested your bloodstream, you'd have hundreds of vitamins in your bloodstream. You're only capable of making one, and it's vitamin D3, cholecalciferol, you make it from sunlight and cholesterol. About 50% of the world's population is clinically deficient in this nutrient, about 85% of the African-American and dark-complected Latino populations are clinically deficient in this nutrient. So what happens when you're deficient in something simple like vitamin D3? Well, eventually, if it's low enough for long enough, you will present to your physician with rheumatoid arthritis-like symptoms. So you're gonna go to your doc and you say, "Hey, when I get out of bed in the morning,

• 15:48Speaker 02

  the soles of my feet, my ankles are really sore, and achy when I walk to the bathroom to take my first pee, now my hips are a little sore, my low back, and you know, lately, it's hard for me to make a tight fist." And... In very many cases, too often to mention that we saw in the record, the doctor, without doing any other testing, no RA factors, no SED rates, is going to go, you know what? Patrick, you've got rheumatoid arthritis. But don't worry, I'm going to put you on something called a corticosteroid. And this is going to knock the inflammation down and you'll be fine. So you start a corticosteroid. So there was a mistake in diagnosis. First of all, you're clinically deficient in a basic nutrient. So instead of raising your level of vitamin D3, they put you on something called methotrexate or another anti-inflammatory called a corticosteroid.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  And now this corticosteroid, which initially reduced inflammation, starts to erode your joints. It accelerates the erosion of your joints so quickly that it was so accurate that if you started a corticosteroid, we would artificially advance your age six years and one day. And we would artificially schedule a joint replacement for you. And from the point where we determined you would have a joint replacement, we would begin to reduce what's called your ambulatory profile. How well you ambulate, how well you move. And as we reduce your mobility, we could bring in all the diseases that exacerbated with reduced mobility. And as these diseases come into your present, now, all of a sudden, you are succumbing to a disease that you never should have had because of a surgery that wasn't required,

• 17:17Speaker 02

  because of a medication that was unnecessary, due to a diagnosis that was inaccurate, because of a simple nutrient deficiency. And so, and I could give you hundreds of examples like this. You can just keep rewinding all of these consequences in someone's later age, and you can rewind it back to that tipping point where things went wrong. And once you've been diagnosed with a condition and it makes it into the medical record, we would call these anchored diagnoses. So if you're diagnosed with hypertension, you're always a hypertensive patient. If your doctor diagnoses you with thyroid, you're always a hypothyroid patient. And so, if you transfer care to another doctor, they look at the record and they go, oh, you know what, Patrick's got hypothyroid, he's got elevated hematocrit, I'm going to continue the blood thinners, I'm going to continue the Why is that? Synthroid.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  Because nobody goes back to check and say, hey, I wonder if Dr. XYZ actually properly diagnosed Patrick with this hypothyroid? Or if he actually, if maybe he had his hematocrit in his blood, his blood viscosity has changed, he doesn't need to be on the blood thinner anymore. Maybe his hypertension is actually normal, because when he was diagnosed, he was 80 pounds heavier, he's 80 pounds lighter right now, and has adopted a healthy diet, and he's on an exercise routine. We're just going to keep him on the hypertension medication. And so- And these had consequences. The more pharmaceuticals you were on, the more accurate your mortality. So the more pharmaceutical compounds we could stack up in a record, the more accurate we could determine your life expectancy.

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• 19:40Patrick Bet-David?

  That is a strange thing to say. So the more pharmaceuticals I'm taking, the more you can accurately predict my life expectancy?

• 19:52Speaker 02

  The more accurately we can predict your death.

• 19:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Why is that?

• 19:54Speaker 02

  So you take things, for example, like statins. All right, so statins lower LDL cholesterol. There was a prevailing theory in medicine, which is vastly being disproven now, largely by artificial intelligence and big data, that when LDL cholesterol is up, there's an increased risk of cardiovascular disease. And so if we lower LDL cholesterol, we'll lower the risk of cardiovascular disease. The only problem is you're looking at that so myopically. You're just taking that one variable. LDL high, high risk of cardiovascular disease. LDL low, low risk of cardiovascular disease. It's not that simple. In fact, there's no correlation between elevated LDL cholesterol on its own, as an independent risk factor, and cardiovascular disease. None. Cholesterol does not cause atherosclerotic

• 20:38Speaker 02

  planking or narrowing of the arteries. Damage to the arterial wall does. The inflammatory cascade does. And so what happens is if you understand what cholesterol is, right? It's not a fuel source. Cholesterol is a construction material. So the body makes it. The liver makes 85% of the cholesterol in your bloodstream. And what is it used for? Well, we build every cell wall, every cell membrane, every hormone in the human body. And we use to make vitamin D3, cholecalciferol, the most important nutrient in the human body, in my opinion. And so what happens when you push this nutrient low? Well, now you buy yourself consequences down the road. Now you're now you're interrupting cell walls, cell membranes, hormones, vitamin D3. And now people get on statin. Now their joints start aching. Their memory starts to go. Now they increase their risk for Alzheimer's, early onset dementia.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  You know, cognitive decline is one of the fastest accelerants of aging. People that are in steep cognitive decline are not compliant with their, you know, medications and protocols. And so you've taken this one independent risk factor. And because you think you're lowering the risk of cardiovascular disease, you create this entire cascade of problems down the road. And we saw this over and over and over again. In fact, we did not process a death claim, not one, in my entire 22 year career, on a centenarian that did not have elevated levels of LDL cholesterol at the time of their death.

• 21:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 21:56Speaker 02

  Not once.

• 21:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  But modern medicine would say LDL cholesterol is a risk factor for cardiovascular disease. No, it's actually a risk factor for longevity. High LDL and low triglyceride and high HDL cholesterol is a marker for longevity, not not for cardiovascular disease. And so we believed a lot in what pharma and contrived medical trials were telling us was the standard of care. And the standard of care was killing people, flatly, to be honest.

• 22:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so you know what I'm doing right now? Here's what I'm searching. So I, when you sell life insurance, the biggest thing that increased the cost of insurance. And by the way, the audience watching this, they're like, I'm not interested in life insurance. But there's a point to it because. Just like California, insurance companies have left. Why have they left? They want to make money. Why are they leaving? The risk of protecting the home underwater with fire, they just like, listen, time out, we're out. Right? They would state they're not leaving Idaho, they're not leaving other places. Why are they leaving California and Florida? Florida, they're leaving because worries of hurricane. Or the cost of insurance has gone up tremendously. I get it. So, life insurance tells us the risk of what's going on.

• 23:07Patrick Bet-David?

  The biggest factor on why cost of insurance would go up was smoking. You remember this? If somebody was a smoker, you could be paying sixty dollars for cost of insurance. It goes one twenty. That was the biggest differentiator.

• 23:18Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 23:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Then, when you would look at the next one, maybe it was the level of alcohol consumption. Because you would be like, well, how often do you drink? Well, I drink, you know, once a month. Okay, really? And then we would do the blood work. No, no, you drink.

• 23:29Speaker 02

  You've got fatty liver disease.

• 23:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Different test that comes up. You know, and it was your occupation, right? Or your weight. Weight would typically be number three on how much you weight. It was always the worry of weight. But weight wasn't above smoking. So it was smoking, alcohol, weight, and then occupation. If you had a job that was kind of risky, that would increase your cost of insurance. Why was smoking, then alcohol, then, you know, your weight? Why was smoking above it all?

• 23:57Speaker 02

  Because few smokers ever quit. Right? It wasn't the presence of the nicotine. It was all the carriers with the nicotine, right? The tar.

• 24:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Few smokers ever quit. Wow.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  Way few smokers than you can ever imagine ever quit. And if you think about what smoking is, you know, nicotine addiction, these are, and you just convert it to human physiology. The absence of dopamine is the presence of addiction. So in other words, if you are deficient in dopamine, you will engage in dopamine-seeking behavior. That's why if you've ever been an addict, or you've ever known a true addict, their addiction has a tendency to shift. So. You know, alcoholics become drug addicts, drug addicts become work alcoholics, work alcoholics might become workaholics, they might shift into a healthier addiction, but the addiction never really goes away because the dopamine deficiency is the main driver of behavior.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  Dopamine is the neurotransmitter of behavior, like serotonin is the neurotransmitter of mood. So, we treat physical addiction. We try to treat the nicotine, the suboxone, the alcohol, the narcotic. We don't treat the dopamine addiction. And this is why a true addict will go through life shifting their addictions. And so, when we get back to human physiology, we go, well, what causes deficiencies in dopamine? Right? This is what really led me to leave and start a wellness franchise because I'm like, we have this all wrong. You know, this, you know, this person doesn't have ADD or ADHD or OCD. This person actually isn't suffering from anxiety. There's no situation that causes their anxiety. This anxiety comes and goes seemingly without a trigger.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  So, how could that actually be anxiety if there's nothing in their external environment that's causing it? Right. Well, you mean, you start to break down, well, what is anxiety? Anxiety is a rise in a category of neurotransmitters in the, in the, in the brain called catecholamines. So, this person has a catecholamine regulation issue, not the mental disease or the mental disorder of anxiety. Well, how do we regulate catecholamines? We increase the complex of B vitamins, we add something called methylcobalamin, we remove folic acid, which is a synthetic man-made chemical in our food supply, which is not found naturally in nature, anywhere on the surface of the earth, and we exchange it for something called methylfolate. Bang. Now, they regulate catecholamines. When they regulate catecholamines, the anxiety goes away.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  You've actually been treating for a disease that was actually a nutrient deficiency, just like you were being treated for rheumatoid when you had a D3 deficiency, just like we put people on thyroid medication when 80% of the thyroid hormone that we measure in the blood, the T3 hormone, is not even made in the thyroid. It's made outside of the thyroid, in the liver, in the gut, in the periphery. Why are we not looking at whether or not the liver, the gut, and the periphery have adequate nutrients to make the thyroid hormone that is low, that is causing us to medicate the thyroid? 85% of all hypertensive diagnosis, when you go into your doctor and they say you have hypertension.

• 26:53Speaker 02

  And you say, well, why? Well, my EKG is normal. My EEG is normal. My heart sounds are normal. My lung sounds are normal. I had a cardiac catheterization. It was normal. I had a dye contrast study. It was normal. There's nothing wrong with my heart. Yeah, we know, but we're still going to medicate your heart anyway. Even though we can't figure out anything wrong with it. We don't know why you have high blood pressure. Oh, what we looked and your uncle has it and your mother has it on, you know, your grandmother has it on your dad's side. So you have familial hypertension. Well, what's that? It's genetically inherited hypertension. And then you just accept that. You inherited a disease from your ancestor. So you accept and subscribe to a lifetime of medication. But if you just took that one step further and said, just out of curiosity, what gene did my ancestor pass on to me?

• 27:38Speaker 02

  That's causing this condition to exist. Because you said I inherited it from my ancestor, right? So what gene did they pass on to me? Their face would go blank. You see, we've mapped the entire human genome. We know every gene in the human body. If there were a gene for these conditions, we would know what it is. But there's no gene for a lot of these diseases. Because the disease runs in families, we assume it's a genetically inherited disease. We rarely pass disease from generation to generation. We pass the inability for the body to refine a raw material, which causes a deficiency, which leads to that disease. This deficiency can be fixed. So for example, take hypertension, just to, since we're on that subject.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  Let's take Dana White, because he's been very public about his medical records. We've actually put his medical records on Instagram. So I figure if you put your medical records up to 8.8 million people, you've lost your hip.

• 28:36Speaker 02

  So Dana, I apologize, brother. We're going to lay it out. So when I met Dana, you know, he was certainly overweight. He was, you know, by BMI charts, he would have been.

• 28:48Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the one he posted.

• 28:49Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, there he is. That's when we met.

• 28:52Patrick Bet-David?

  You met September 2022?

• 28:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at the difference though. That's unbelievable, Gary.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 29:00Patrick Bet-David?

  So you, when you met with him.

• 29:02Speaker 02

  Oh, he said it's two years since I started my health journey with Gary Brecka. Um, thanks for changing my life, brother. I think I saw that. That's awesome. Thank you, Dana. Yeah, so, so what was going on up top that was going on at the bottom? So first of all, he was on multiple medications for heart, um, for high blood pressure.

• 29:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Blood inhibitors.

• 29:24Speaker 02

  Blood inhibitors, um, diuretics, ACE inhibitors, you know, um, beta blockers, calcium channel blockers, all things to interrupt the function of the heart, holding the heart responsible for crime it's not committing. And, and so let's, let's just talk about what happened with Dana White. And so when we looked at Dana's blood work, and for the record, I am not a physician. I'm not licensed to practice medicine, so I'm not giving medical advice. And there was a clinical team that was involved in Dana's case that made the clinical decisions. I want to be clear about that. But when we looked at Dana's blood work, um, and we looked at, uh, his genetics, he had a genetic variant that did not allow him to convert a, an amino acid in his blood called homocysteine.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  Okay, so he couldn't take homocysteine and turn it into a harmless amino acid called methionine. And this is, this is my point. Yeah, can you just pull up, yeah, amino acid, homocysteine, perfect call. Look at, uh, hyper homocystenemia. What is hyper homocystenemia or symptoms of hyper homocystenemia? Look, uh, so hyper homocystenemia can come as by deficiency in B6, B12, or folate. Genetic disorders. Okay, so let's just start at the top two. The leading two causes of high homocysteine are nutrient deficiencies. Nobody checked to see if the nutrient deficiency might be what's causing his high blood pressure, because what happens when your homocysteine rises?

• 30:50Speaker 02

  As homocysteine is cruising by the inside lining of your artery, okay? It irritates your artery. And if you irritate an artery, it will clamp down. And if you make the pipes smaller in a fixed system, the pressure goes up. So now I have 63,000 miles of blood vessel in my body. I have this very high level of homocysteine, which is one of the most inflammatory factors in the human body circulating around in my blood, this inflammation circulating around in my blood. And because of that, my arterial system constricts and it drives my pressure up. You go to the cardiologist, which he did. The cardiologist checks his heart and says, man, everything's fine with your heart, but you have high blood pressure. So we're going to start pounding on the heart for a crime it's not committing to try to lower your blood pressure.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  But since the hypertension wasn't coming from the heart, it was coming from the constriction of blood vessels because of a simple deficiency in those vitamins listed right there. Then the hypertension continued to get worse. He had one of the highest levels of homocysteine that I'd ever seen, that my clinical team had ever seen. So we put him on an amino acid called trimethylglycine, TMG, which you could get at GNC. We put him on a B complex, a methylfolate, you know, a form of B12 called methylcobalamin, high doses of those things. And I remember talking to him about his medical records and saying, Dana, there's nothing wrong with your heart. Because I'm not, I'm not in a position to tell you to stop taking cardiovascular medication, but you will know in due course over the next few weeks when it's actually time to

• 32:17Speaker 02

  titrate down on your, on your medication, we'll get your cardiologist involved. And so essentially I gave him this amino acid that allowed his body to start metabolizing homocysteine. As his homocysteine level dropped, his vascular system began to relax. As his vascular system relaxed, his pressure dropped. As his pressure dropped, it eventually returned to normal. And we were doing blood pressure three times a day, seven days a week. And by week 21, he was completely off of all of his cardiovascular medication that he had been on for 15 years.

• 32:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  And because of the inflammatory cascade, you know, high C-reactive protein, high homocysteine, he had a lot of swelling in his nasopharynx, in the back of his pharynx behind, behind his tongue. So he was also on a CPAP machine. So as he brought that inflammatory cascade down, the adenoid area widened and the sleep apnea went away. So he got off the sleep apnea machine. And then as we started to manage the What's called the hematocrit, the blood viscosity, by simply doing, you know, blood dumps, therapeutic phlebotomy, his hematocrit returned to normal, meaning the blood viscosity returned to normal. He stopped having motor oil for blood and he began having water for blood viscosity wise. And so now you're off the blood thinners. So he's off

• 33:31Speaker 02

  of blood thinners, he's off of hypertensive medication, he was off of the diuretics that were actually just stripping potassium out of his tissues. And he got off of all of his medication, his weight dropped, blood pressure returned to normal, sleep deepened, REM sleep extended, deep sleep extended. He was off of the CPAP machine, cognitive function went back through the roof, you know, his, his weight loss improved, every other facet of his, of his life. And now if you look at him now, he's two and a half years out, he's on no pharmaceuticals, he doesn't take any prescription medication. The tinnitus that he had and the vertigo that he had is virtually gone. He's in incredibly good shape and he'll stay here for, you know, the balance of his adult lifetime. He looks just like that right now.

• 34:14Patrick Bet-David?

  How much time commitment does it take to look like that?

• 34:18Speaker 02

  Less than you think. Seventy percent of that is, is diet.

• 34:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Seventy, okay, I agree. But the thirty percent that is the red light, the cold plunge, how much time commitment does that require? How many days a week?

• 34:35Speaker 02

  So if you want to get back to the basics and just look like that, what he's, what he's really focused on now is life extension, right? So I always tell people, look, we, you know, in my previous company, we sold a hundred and ten thousand dollar red light bed. And if you, you know, if you're getting ready to buy a Ferrari, go buy a red light bed before you buy a Ferrari. That Ferrari is going to do nothing for your cellular biology, but red light can, can, can change your life. But what's really interesting is most of these modalities are just mimicking what we get from other nature. You know, so again, we're getting back to what God gave us, not what man makes us. So you can go out and spend a hundred and twenty-three thousand dollars on a red light bed, if you've got that money lying around, or you could just take your shirt off and expose your skin to sunlight. For sixteen to twenty minutes every morning.

• 35:20Speaker 02

  Face the sun, you know, we've been taught to fear the sun. You know, we get three things from Mother Nature. We get the magnetism from the earth, which is a very real thing. I get so much flack on this on, on, on social media, which I can't understand why, because it's a very valid concept. Taking your shoes off, touching the surface of the earth, earthing, grounding, is a very real thing. The earth has a low gauss current. When we touch the surface of the earth, we discharge into the earth. You can actually measure this in the blood. I've done it real time on stages before in front of tons of people, where if we can't touch the surface of the earth, I'll lay somebody on a PEMF mat, pulse electromagnetic field mat. And you just prick their finger, you put it on a slide, and you show people in real time what your red blood cells look like circulating around in your blood.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  Well, you'll, you'll see that they're all kind of stuck together and clumped up. That's great, Matt, too. Stuck together and clumped up, because when your cells have opposite charges, they attract. Soon as you touch the surface of the earth for a few minutes, it repolarizes the surface of those cells, and they actually start to free float around. They can't contact each other.

• 36:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Why, why is that?

• 36:22Speaker 02

  Because you changed the, so if, if these, if these are two cells, and they have the same charge, they can't touch, like, like two poles of a magnet. As soon as they get opposite charges, they attract. So when your cells start sticking together, everywhere they touch, you lose surface area. What happens when you lose surface area on a cell that's round, that's meant to have all this surface area in contact with its environment? It can't eliminate waste, it can't repair, it can't toxify, it can't, it can't regenerate. And now you start suffering all of these consequences for something simple like, I just don't walk on the surface of the earth on a regular basis. Now, if you have the money and you want to save the time, you can get a PEMF mat. You can drop five grand on a PEMF mat, or thirteen hundred bucks on a PEMF mat.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  But if you don't want to do that, take your shoes off and touch the surface of the earth. You can spend a hundred twenty-three thousand dollars on a red light bed, or you can take your shirt off and expose your skin to sunlight in the first forty-five to sixty minutes of the day. And that, we are very photovoltaic beings. All red light is doing is taking the beneficial wavelengths from the sun, and mimicking those in an inside environment, right? You get real physiologic benefits from red light.

• 37:31Patrick Bet-David?

  So you could realistically do all of this naturally, without even needing to buy all these, all these equipment?

• 37:36Speaker 02

  Absolutely. I tell people all the time, if you... Can't afford a cold plunge. Take Tupperware containers, fill them full of water, put them in your freezer, and put blocks of ice into your tub, and you'll do that twice a week because that cold plunge will last you three days, right? If you don't have a tub, take a cold shower. You know, one of the best things you can do, and if you're going to harness your morning routine, is get up in the morning, get out in first light, the first forty-five to sixty minutes of the day when there's no UVA, no UVB rays. Allow the natural sunlight to hit your skin. Start to generate vitamin D3. You are very photovoltaic. It is actually a material fact that your mitochondria are charged by light.

• 38:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask this question. So, you know, because the motive for doing it, to get people to commit to health, right? Sometimes it's hard to get people to commit to it, right? You could say, "Well, listen, your kids are relying on you." "Eh, I'm gonna live." You know, "You're gonna have a better lifestyle." "Eh, I'm gonna live." "You're gonna be able to do this, but you're gonna look better. You're gonna do this." And everybody wants a shortcut, right? Whatever's gonna be the fastest way to do it. What can, if a person's running a business, or if a person's a salesperson, or if a person's an executive, if a person's a content creator, whatever you want to call it, parent, spouse, what can, a person performs better the better the mood they're in.

• 38:59Speaker 02

  No doubt.

• 38:59Patrick Bet-David?

  You sell better, you father better, you husband better, you wife better, you mother better, you do everything better, right? So, what are two, three things a person can do to improve their mood when they go throughout the day?

• 39:15Speaker 02

  First of all, when you say mood, what, and I convert that to physiology, so that's what I'm gonna do. And you say mood or emotional state, what does that mean in the human body? If you said, "Gary, what is a mood? What is an emotional state?" I would tell you, it's a collection of neurotransmitters, right? Bound to oxygen. So, in other words, mood is a recipe. So, if you said, "I want to make happiness," okay, that's so much serotonin, so much dopamine, so much norepinephrine, so much epinephrine. You mix that up, boom, you have the emotion of happiness. You know, I want elation, joy, passion, arousal. Okay, you change the level of serotonin, you change the level of dopamine, and so you create mood. The ingredients for mood are neurotransmitters.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  So where do neurotransmitters come from? They're made in the gut. Ninety percent of the serotonin in our body is right here. If you don't have it here, you can't have it here. And so like, for example, you know, the serotonin hypothesis of depression says if you're low on serotonin, you're by definition depressed. So your mood is depressed. Do you actually have depression? Or do you have a deficiency in serotonin? So now, if the serotonin hypothesis of depression is true, that means I have low serotonin. And so, wouldn't you think that if I'm depressed because I have low serotonin, that the fix would be to raise serotonin? Mm-hmm. But that's not what we do. We take people that are low on serotonin, and we put them on SSRIs, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  So what these do, bind to little sites in your brain, and they essentially slow the uptake of serotonin. And the idea is that we ration what little serotonin you have, then you won't go off a cliff. Well, if we know ninety percent of the serotonin is made right here in our gut, why don't we go to the factory that makes serotonin and increase its production? If I want to improve my mood, let's produce more of the ingredients that create mood. And so, how do we make serotonin? Well, we take an amino acid called tryptophan, and we methylate it into the neurotransmitter serotonin. What's needed to do that? Methylfolate, B-complexes, the methyl form of cobalamin, trimethylglycine.

• 41:22Speaker 02

  Basic nutrients can actually improve the methylation cycle and the utilization and transportation of serotonin. So, I would, if you are an entrepreneur, if you are a busy mother, busy father, if being mentally on your game is something that you need in order to succeed in your career, I would focus first on your gut. Because we make dopamine in our gut, too. How do we make dopamine? We take tryptophan, fetal alanine, we convert it into a neurotransmitter called dopamine. Could serotonin deficiency be a deficiency in the amino acid tryptophan? Yes. Could depression be an inability to methylate proper amounts of serotonin? Yes, and now we're up here messing with the mind.

• 42:03Speaker 02

  We're putting neuroplasticity altering chemicals in the mind to fix a nutrient deficiency. Just like Dana White had a nutrient deficiency in trimethoprine and he was on cardiovascular medication to fix a nutrient deficiency. Now he's on an amino acid. So his body can actually break these compounds down. You know, a lot of times people that have hypothyroid are deficient in selenium, thiamine, and often iodine. And so, why are we not first testing for what's missing from what God gave us? That's my whole mantra is that, you know, we're not as sick, we're not as diseased, we're not as pathological as we think we are. We are nutrient deficient. And if we would, you know, if you want to see magic happen in the human body, Pat,

• 42:46Speaker 02

  you give it the raw material it needs to do its job. And so, what does it need to do its job? First of all, I would focus on your gut and we can talk about what you could do to do that. But our ultimate human superpower is sleep. If you're not sleeping, you're not performing, full stop. So you're not performing at your best athletically, you're certainly not performing at your best cognitively. So if you want to get an edge on the rest of your competition, you have to develop a sleep hygiene or sleep routine. If you ask most of your listeners, what do you do to go to sleep? They'll just say, I don't know, I get in bed. Right? Like, well, when do you go to bed? Whenever I finish doing my shit, you know, like, sometimes 1 o'clock in the morning, sometimes 11 in the morning.

• 43:26Patrick Bet-David?

  I can think about an activity people do before they want to go to sleep.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  That's a good reason to put it off, you know, but none of them are doing it seven nights a week. Come on, dude.

• 43:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, okay, I agree.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  So, and that's actually very good for your sleep.

• 43:42Patrick Bet-David?

  That's good for your sleep.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  Oh dude, that's the best way to reduce catechol, means it puts you right to sleep. You know.

• 43:47Patrick Bet-David?

  You can see a lot of husbands showing this clip to their wives.

• 43:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Or vice versa.

• 43:51Speaker 02

  Wives, if you want to extend your life, make love before you go to bed. That's a material fact. But if you ask most people about sleep, this is the most bullied thing in their schedule. Sleep is the bastard stepchild of your day. You know, we push it away. Because it's the easiest thing for us to manipulate in our schedule. So you need to prioritize self-care, or else you will never be able to be selfless. And this is why eighty-two percent of all autoimmune diseases happen to women. If you take all autoimmune diseases category, about eighty, eighty-two percent of autoimmune disease affect women. Why is that? Because autoimmune is racist or sexist? No, it's because women have a tendency to be more selfless. They suffer from things like caregiver syndrome. They put the needs of others before themselves.

• 44:35Speaker 02

  They're almost genetically programmed to do this.

• 44:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Very interesting.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  To bear children.

• 44:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So they lack more sleep because they're the ones that are taking care of the kids and all this other stuff. So that is why the wow, okay.

• 44:47Speaker 02

  They will deprive themselves for sleep for their kids. They will exhaust themselves for their spouse. And they will put the needs of others, you know, as a broad statement before the needs of themselves. So women have a tendency to put themselves in the backseat a lot more often than men do. And this constant lack of self-care, which they will very often look at as being selfish. They want to be selfless, so they wake up in the morning, going to give all my time to my kids. Then I'm going to go and give my time to my career. And then I'm going to give my time to my spouse, then I'm going to give it to the kids, and then I'm going to go to bed. And so the first thing that I would say is, is develop a sleep routine. Right? And sleep hygiene works like this. If you want to, I mean, you want to be a super sleeper, you're going to be a super performer.

• 45:31Speaker 02

  Because everyone knows sleep is good for you, but few people know why. Like, what's happening during deep sleep? The practice of good quality sleep? Yeah, that's number one right there, regular sleep-wake cycle.

• 45:43Patrick Bet-David?

  You were going somewhere. So what is the behavior? You said, what do you do to go to sleep?

• 45:48Speaker 02

  So what do you do to go to sleep? So let's just dive into sleep real quick.

• 45:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Because a lot of people struggle with sleep at night. They don't know how to go to sleep at night.

• 45:54Speaker 02

  I'll tell you why most people listening to this podcast are not sleeping. They're not sleeping because they are body tired, but mind awake. As their environment quiets, their mind wakes up and they will tell you, I am not falling asleep because I am thinking of the most innocuous shit. Like I'm, you know, should I have a dinner party? You know, did my belt match my shoes today? Did I get everything on my grocery list? Did I return that Instagram post? Nothing that couldn't wait till the next day. This is called rumination. And we ruminate at night because of a category of neurotransmitters called catecholamines. As these neurotransmitters rise, it creates a wakened state. So your body tired, you're exhausted, but you're laying their mind awake. And I'm going to tell you

• 46:37Speaker 02

  how to solve that in a second. But first, you know, if we just isolate, what's so important about sleep? Okay, well, specific things happen during sleep that don't happen during any other time of our cycle. So if you're going to push anything around in your schedule, push meetings and travel around and prioritize sleep and exercise. And so when you look at what happens during deep sleep, for example, and this is the only time that the brain is actually eliminating waste. And so we have a lymphatic system, which everybody knows of, you know, your lymphatics get swollen when you get a sore throat. We got lymph nodes under our armpits, we got them in our groins, we got them all over the body to get rid of waste. In the brain, it's called the glymphatic system. And this system is only active during deep sleep. So if you don't get deep sleep, your brain doesn't detoxify, it doesn't eliminate

• 47:22Speaker 02

  waste, doesn't repair, it doesn't regenerate. So you're actually building up toxicity in the brain by not having deep sleep.

• 47:30Patrick Bet-David?

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• 48:12Patrick Bet-David?

  cigars and you come to our cigar lounge, we have this high quality lighter cutter and a holder for the cigars. We got sweaters with the value attainment logo on it. We got mugs. We got a bunch of different things. But if you believe the future looks bright, if you follow our content and what we represent with value attainment, with PVD podcast, go to vtmerch.com. And by the way, if you order right now, there's going to be a special VT gift inside just for you. So again, go to vtmerch.com, place your order, tell the world that you believe the future looks bright. So, so let me, let me ask, so, so body tired, mind

• 48:50Speaker 02

  awake.

• 48:50Patrick Bet-David?

  awake. So body tired, mind awake. What can you do for your mind to be awake? Well, there's nothing you can do about that.

• 48:57Speaker 02

  What can you do for your mind to quiet is the question.

• 48:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 49:00Speaker 02

  Well, so the way that you, yeah, so let's talk about quieting the mind. Because you just have to keep converting these things to physiology, right? People like, I can't fall asleep. It takes me two hours to fall asleep. Well, why can't you fall asleep? Because I just, I'm thinking about all the stuff from the day. And then you're like, well, you have OCD or ADD or ADHD.

• 49:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Hypomanic.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  You're hyper manic. You have all these categories for this. It's none of that. It, your mind is awake and you are ruminating, unless something catastrophic happened, obviously, you know, divorce, bankruptcy, there are reasons why you, you know, you wouldn't sleep. But aside from the obvious, most people have this chronically throughout their lifetime. They are chronic poor sleepers and they get in bed, their body tired, but their mind awake. So what is causing awakened state? It's a category of neurotransmitters called catecholamines. If you pull those up, catecholamines.

• 49:50Speaker 02

  Catecholamines are fight or flight neurotransmitters. Okay. So if catecholamines are at like a two, neurotransmitters and hormones play a crucial role in body's response to stress, fear and excitement. Okay. So as these neurotransmitters rise, they create one of those things, stress, fear or excitement. They create a awakened state and the more that they rise, the more impact they have on your physiology. So at low levels, your mind is awake and it's just kind of buzzing. As it rises a little further, you get anxious. As it keeps rising, you will have anxiety. If they continue to rise, you will have a full-blown panic attack. And if they rise even further, you'll have paranoia. And so, this entire cascade of mental illnesses and issues, sleep disturbances, sleep disruptions,

• 50:34Speaker 02

  you know, insomnia-related disorders, is following this rise and fall of these neurotransmitters. There is a gene called COMT. If you want to pull that, I love how you guys are pulling all this shit up in real time, this is amazing. Catecholomethyltransferase. Okay, about 44% of the population has this gene mutation.

• 50:55Patrick Bet-David?

  What percentage?

• 50:56Speaker 02

  44%.

• 50:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, wow.

• 50:58Speaker 02

  See how it plays a crucial role in the metabolism of neurotransmitters, particularly dopamine, norepinephrine, and epinephrine? So what are those neurotransmitters? Those are your waking state neurotransmitters. They're also your fight-or-flight neurotransmitters. You ask anybody that's ever suffered from anxiety, ask them these three questions. Have you had it on and off throughout your entire lifetime? Most of the time, they'll say yes. Have you, can you always point to the specific trigger that causes it? Most of the time, they will say no. I can be on a podcast just like this with you right now and just kind of get overwhelmed with anxiety, right? I can be driving home from work on an otherwise innocuous day, and I can be overwhelmed by anxiety. Most people that have anxiety do not need a specific trigger.

• 51:43Speaker 02

  They don't need to walk to the edge of a 30th-floor balcony and be afraid of heights, or get on a crowded elevator and be afraid, you know, claustrophobic. What they need is for catecholamines to rise. So now, the question is, how do we lower catecholamines? Because there are so many quote-unquote "mental illnesses" that are linked to this gene mutation, which is very easy to test for, and I'm going to tell you how to supplement for it, even if you don't test for it. Because high levels of catecholamines, what does high catecholamine mean? Oh, it means anxiety. It means anxiousness. It means heightened state of fear. It means sweating. It means rapid heart rate. So all of these conditions get diagnosed as illnesses, or they get diagnosed as, you

• 52:25Speaker 02

  know, mental conditions or mental disorders, when the truth is, you have high catecholamines. Why do you have these? Because you're deficient in the raw material that breaks down catecholamines. Well, what breaks those down? SAME, which is an amino acid, assem dino sol methionine, capital SAM, lowercase e, which you can also get at GNC, or you can get online.

• 52:49Speaker 02

  These people need extra significant dosages of B complex vitamins. They need a form of B12 called hydroxycobalamin. They need methylfolate. So they need the basic nutrients and raw materials that if our soil had the right level of nutrients and if our food was not highly processed and we ate a whole food diet and we took basic supplements, you would find that your body has the raw material it needs to break these kinds of neurotransmitters down. What happens at night when you break down catecholamines? Your mind quiets. Another great way to do this is by taking magnesium. Magnesium 3 and 8 is actually very good for this.

• 53:30Speaker 02

  I actually take a magnesium complex that has all seven forms of magnesium in it.

• 53:36Patrick Bet-David?

  How many supplements you take throughout the day?

• 53:39Speaker 02

  I take about nine.

• 53:40Patrick Bet-David?

  That's it?

• 53:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, nine or 10 in the morning. And then I take a magnesium blend at night. But I also have a sleep routine. You know, we're such creatures of the habit. We design our days from the moment we wake up to the moment we go to bed. And what we should really design is bookending our sleep. And then everything else will fall in line, right? So if I asked you, what's your workout routine? Most people go, I do this, this, this, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. You know, I do HIIT cardio two days a week. I do weight training. I do upper body, lower body, alternate days. They'll have a workout routine. Most people have a routine to operate their business, have regular business meetings. But they don't have a routine to go to sleep and they don't have a routine to wake up.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  Timing the sleep and wake cycle of your body is your absolute human superpower. So here's five things your audience could just do tonight if they're not already doing this. Just this week, just pick a consistent time. So say 10:30 at night. I'm going to go to bed at 10:30. And then make that promise to yourself and keep the promise. Get into bed at 10:30, even if you don't go to sleep. If you're one of those people that ruminates at night, take magnesium, like a magnesium 3 and 8, or a magnesium breakthrough, BioOptimizers magnesium breakthrough. Take a magnesium at night. If you really have an active mind, before you go to bed, do a contrast shower. Get in the shower, run the water as hot as you can stand it on the back of your spine. Step out of that stream of water, turn it as cold as it will go,

• 55:06Speaker 02

  and step into that stream of water and just deal with it.

• 55:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Sudden, not gradual.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  Bang, shock the body.

• 55:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 55:13Speaker 02

  Like a cold shock protein.

• 55:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 55:15Speaker 02

  So, step into that stream of water for 30 seconds, and just deal with it. And then get out of the shower and dry off. This will break the catecholamine cycle. When you get into your bedroom, drop the temperature down colder than you think, 65 to 69 degrees Fahrenheit. Surgically remove every ounce of light from the room. If you've got an alarm clock on the nightstand, throw a towel over it. You know, if you have fissures in the curtains, try to close them up. Or get a cheap sleep mask. Get a full, you know, cotton sleep mask.

• 55:47Speaker 02

  It's hard to say, "Don't use your phone in bed," because everybody does. So if you're gonna use your phone in bed, then just make sure that you turn the red light filter on, and when you're done, you throw it on airplane mode. And then do a breathwork technique when you get into bed, which is just long, slow inhales through the nose. Take a four or five second pause. Breathe out like you're breathing out through a straw. And just imagine yourself kind of pulling all the thoughts from your head down into your chest and breathing them out. I know that sounds really hokey, but I promise you, you won't even make it to 10 breaths.

• 56:19Speaker 02

  And start to do this every single night. Consistent bedtime, contrast shower, breathwork in bed, night, you know, sleep mask, cold environment.

• 56:27Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not complicated, that's simple to do.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  It's super not complicated, man. I mean, I wish I could sell it.

• 56:31Patrick Bet-David?

  So many people have a hard time with that. Going to sleep at night.

• 56:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:36Patrick Bet-David?

  If I put my head down, I'm gone.

• 56:37Speaker 02

  Oh, me too.

• 56:38Patrick Bet-David?

  For me, it's not, I don't, Jennifer will always, my wife will always say, "How do you do it?" And by the way, I have a lot on my mind.

• 56:46Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 56:46Patrick Bet-David?

  But the moment I go horizontal and I commit to going to sleep, I'm gone. Now, don't get me wrong, about four or five times a year when I'm going to sleep, the stuff is heavy and I got a lot, I just can't, I won't be able to sleep throughout the night. But that's normal.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 56:58Patrick Bet-David?

  But on a regular thing, it's not hard for me to just hit the sack and go to sleep. Let me ask another question about... Sex, you talk about sex earlier. You said one of the best things to go to sleep is sex, right?

• 57:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Studies, you hear and you study a lot of different things. How many times is too little, too few? And I'll tell you where I'm going with this because I'm trying to say what you're gonna say about this. I didn't know how many times people had sex until I started having, people would come up to me, my sales organization would say, hey, we have sex about once a month. And one of them was, we have sex about once every three months. I'm like, you guys been together 15 years, what's going on here? So we just don't have time, we don't do this, we don't do that. What is too little when you're a certain age and your body's, you know, needs to have a certain release? Is there a number to it?

• 57:46Speaker 02

  So, you know, the benefits of sex, believe it or not, are actually not from the intercourse themselves. They're from the rise, the impact on a pleasure hormone called oxytocin. It's also called the love hormone. They say that's what's in Cupid's arrow. Because oxytocin is what creates the psychosomatic response. It's what allows you to create an image in your mind and have an erection. Or to see a man or see a woman and be aroused, which can actually cause physical changes, right? Cause your heart rate to increase, can cause your pupils to dilate, can cause a man to have an erection, cause a woman to have extra vaginal secretions. Your body is actually having a psychosomatic response.

• 58:32Speaker 02

  Psychological incidence that causes a response in the body. And this oxytocin, which dogs have about 100 times the oxytocin in their bloodstream that humans do, which is why they're so damn loyal, right? I mean, you can, you know, most people have pets know that you can leave for five minutes or five days, you get the same response, right? You're like, calm down, Fifi, I just went to the mailbox, right?

• 58:52Speaker 02

  So, the, it's so true, right? And this is why they're so loyal. I'm a huge dog fan. But, so cuddling.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  Kissing, um, skin to skin snuggling. These have really positive physiologic consequences in the human body. They actually cause the secretion of the pleasure hormone oxytocin. And oxytocin has all kinds of positive effects in the body.

• 59:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Spooning is good for you?

• 59:19Speaker 02

  Dude, spooning, cuddling, skin to skin, long hugs, kisses over six seconds.

• 59:24Patrick Bet-David?

  He's smiling right now. Look at Robbie Sinsen. He's realizing.

• 59:26Speaker 02

  He's gonna go smooch his wife tonight. He's like, she's about to get it.

• 59:30Patrick Bet-David?

  We gonna spoon tonight.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  You know, this is, you know, part of the reason why, you know, we knew in the mortality space that broken heart syndrome is a very real thing.

• 59:42Patrick Bet-David?

  No shit.

• 59:43Speaker 02

  Oh, very real thing. I mean, there are.

• 59:45Patrick Bet-David?

  In the mortality, like, how do you, how do you see it on the test?

• 59:49Speaker 02

  You look at the duration of a marriage and the loss of a single spouse and you dramatically reduce the, the life expectancy of the second spouse dramatically. It's almost as accurate as, as hip fractures. Because hip fractures were one of what we called the triad of death because they were actually poorly understood. Most people think that elderly people fall and break their hip. It's actually not what happens. Um, uh, their hip breaks and then they fall. And so when.

• 1:00:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Break comes first before the fall, instead of the fall then the break.

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  The break causes the fall. The fall doesn't cause the fracture. That's correct.

• 1:00:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 1:00:23Speaker 02

  So grandma's standing at the, you know, sink washing dishes and crack, the femoral head breaks off and she falls. And then they say, what happened? She's like, I fell and broke my hip.

• 1:00:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:00:33Speaker 02

  Now your hip broke and then you fell. The reason why, because there's nothing particular about a hip fracture that leads to early death. What, what in older people, the reason why the hip fracture is so significant is this is an indication that the skeletal system can no longer support its own weight. You're pretty far progressed in the osteoporotic osteopenic category, right? You're, you're way down the road on a brittle bone system. Um, and so it's, it's one of the, what we called the triad of death. But we knew in the mortality space that if you wanted to cut someone's life expectancy in half at any age, put them in isolation. Isolation is the most dangerous and destructive thing that you can do to a human being.

• 1:01:17Speaker 02

  And I mean socially isolated, isolated from their relationship, you know, elderly people that have had marriages for 40, 50, 60 years and then lose a spouse and are suddenly alone. That is a dramatic accelerant for mortality. But isolation happens at very, very young ages, too. We are becoming increasingly more isolated. We are drastically out of touch with nature. We are drastically out of touch with other human beings. The worst thing we ever did during the pandemic, I don't care what anybody says, is social distancing, residential quarantining, masking, you know, this was horrible for humanity. Yet skyrocketing rates of mortality related to loneliness. If you look at the Blue Zone studies, for example, and you actually look at what,

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  why are hypercentenarians concentrated in certain areas of the world? What were the things that were contiguous to all of the Blue Zones? Because it wasn't diet, right? It wasn't carnivore keto, paleo pescatarian, vegan vegetarian, it was none of those things. If you actually look at dieting and you went to Sardinia, you'd say, okay, well, it's the highest carbohydrate consumption in the world, one of the longest life expectancies. You go to Singapore, one of the highest meat consumptions in the world, one of the longest life expectancies. You go to, you know, the Mediterranean, very high fatty fish and oils, very long life expectancy. Okay, well, everybody's living long and they're not a continuity between diet. So the only continuity with diets was that they were all whole foods. None of those people were living that long on a processed diet. The two things that were not exchangeable, that were non-negotiable, were mobility until later in life.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  In fact, in Sardinia, life expectancy, the hypercentenarians, was directly related to the grade of the slope. The steeper the hill you walked up every day, Get out of here. the longer your life expectancy. Wow. Yeah. You have a 93-year-old man walking up a 32-degree slope, 10 blocks to go to church and four blocks over to the market, back home, Wow. live forever. The second was sense of purpose and community. You can't exchange those.

• 1:03:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So that is the part, the isolation or the death of the loved one or heartbreak leads to, this is why they say, "My grandfather died, three months later, my grandmother died."

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  That's exactly why it's called broken heart syndrome. I actually just got goosebumps when I said that. It's so visceral and so real. You know, in those areas of the world, in the blue zones, for example, there's no such thing as a sister care living, right? Sister care is mom and dad move back in with the kids until the day that they die. Why? Because their, their only purpose may be to go out to the garden and get vegetables for, for dinner that night, but they have a purpose, they have a role, they have a community around them. And we are, we are surrounded by communities that are hyper-isolating us. Technology is increasing the rate of isolation, the rates of depression in young children are skyrocketing, the rates of autism, attention deficit disorders, what we call behavioral

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  disorders, impulse control disorders. These are all skyrocketing. Why? Because there's no communal sense of, no, no relationships, no, no sense of purpose, no sense of real community. Our communities are in these, you know, hyper-electronic environments that actually do not, they're not chicken soup for our soul. And so, when you look at these, these areas where life expectancy was the longest, they had strong senses of community. And so...

• 1:04:38Patrick Bet-David?

  That makes sense. I mean, my, you know, my dad had 13 heart attacks and he had six...

• 1:04:44Speaker 02

  13?

• 1:04:44Patrick Bet-David?

  13 heart attacks. He has three stents in his heart, he, 50% of his heart was black and six angiograms, six angioplastics, he's been on blood thinner since god knows when. And then, he was, he was smoking two packs of cigarettes a day, he drank every single day, like liquor, 60 proof, like this, every day, for as long as I know, 15, 20 years. And then, one day he decides to stop all of that and, but he has always worked. I've never seen him not work. Every day he works, he's at, he's 82, about to be 83, April 10th, and the doctor said he got 10 years to live. When the doctor said that, he was 44, 44, yeah, he's 83, he's 82, about to be 83, he's still here, yeah, God bless us all.

• 1:05:29Patrick Bet-David?

  But he lives with us and he's got kids and grandkids. It's almost as if the grandkids gave him second when Grace, my niece, was born. There was something he looked forward to. Then when our nephew Sean was born and then our four kids, that community and the fact that he kept pushing against whatever it was. When you're saying the 32 degrees of elevation and the way they're walking up at 92 years old, whatever, they're living longer than somebody else that had less, uh, whatever you want to call that friction or, you know, challenges you got to overcome. It's a direct correlation. Let me, let me change it to a different age category. If you're a parent of a young athlete, okay? And when I say young athlete, I don't mean somebody that's just kind of training an hour a day

• 1:06:13Patrick Bet-David?

  or an hour and a half a day or all this stuff and hey, play sports, likes to have fun, all this stuff. I'm talking about a kid that's training three, four hours every day. And Saturdays, he's doing his two hours minus plus the games or whatever else he may have and traveling, all this other stuff, right? Loves it, no pressure, it's his choice, no one's telling him, you better do it. He's choosing to do it and that's what he wants to do, right? How do you, in this age, he's going, he's playing sports, whoever, it could be a girl, she's going, she's doing this thing. How do you help this kid that is athletic, has a shot at next level? Nowadays, you know, they're starting at eight years old, they're not no longer like 14, 13 years old. Used to be 10, 11, now it's down to eight years old that they're looking at it.

• 1:06:58Patrick Bet-David?

  What, what do you do to help his chances physically? To prevent injuries, okay? To help with speed, decision-making process, lowering the temperature for pressure when there's there, you don't panic so you can kind of go through it. What are things you can do at that level? This level of testosterone level, energy, all this stuff. You know, you're super healthy.

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:19Patrick Bet-David?

  What can a parent do to an athlete that they have as a child?

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  So three things, um, you know, number one, I would, um, immediately get all of the folic acid out of their diet. So, folic acid is, is an entirely man-made chemical. Um, we've been lied to and told that it's vitamin B9, it's not. We, we make folic acid in a laboratory. Around 1993, Monsanto convinced the federal government that we needed to spray folic acid on our entire grain supply. Um, so all flour, all bread, all pasta, all cereals, grains of every kind are sprayed with a chemical called folic acid. Um, folic acid does not occur anywhere naturally in nature. You can't find folic acid anywhere on the surface of the earth. Um, so these are in foods, we don't call it sprayed with folic acid, we call it fortified or enriched.

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  So fortified or enriched food. Enriched, bleached white flour. Fortified, whole grains. Fortified wheat. You spin around a box of Cheez-Its, it's going to say enriched wheat flour. So fortified or enriched foods are sprayed with chemical folic acid. The reason why I say get folic acid out of their diet is because the majority of these kids will have a very difficult time processing folic acid. So what does folic acid do? Folic acid, when you don't convert it, rises. It actually causes hyperactivity in the brain. It interferes with speed, timing, agility, hand-eye coordination. So the fine motor movements and the things that will take an athlete from being a good eight and a half to a 10.

• 1:08:49Speaker 02

  Right, you know, look at Tom Brady, for example, you know, with arguably the greatest quarterback of all time. You know, you can't really make an argument for his physicality, right? He wasn't the biggest quarterback. He wasn't the most athletic quarterback. He wasn't the strongest quarterback. What was it about him that, you know, very few of any quarterbacks had? It was his timing. Right, his timing. You know, the ability to have a trajectory moving away from you, going, you know, increasing its distance and potentially its speed away from you, and then moving laterally across a field, and then having to throw an object not to where the runner is, but to where the runner's going, and then to put it on the left shoulder, depending on where the running back is, versus the right shoulder. That kind of timing is amazing. So if he didn't cater to the small things, the timing would have, you know, eventually eroded.

• 1:09:34Speaker 02

  This happens in UFC fighters, this happens in boxers, this happens in athletes of all kinds. What happens in age is not the loss of physical capability first, it's the loss of hand-eye coordination, speed, timing, and agility. It's all the fine motor skills. So if you actually want to improve that athlete's chances and give them an edge, I would make certain that they are eating a diet that is free of folic acid. There are also a couple of supplements I would put them on. I would make sure that they're taking vitamin D3, about 5,000 I use of vitamin D3 daily.

• 1:10:04Patrick Bet-David?

  At 11 years old?

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  At 11 years old, yeah. Assuming that they're a healthy, full-bodied 11-year-old. You know, if they're above 60, if they're in the 60, 80-pound range, right? So if they're very frail and smaller, I would reduce that dosage. I would also make sure at their age that they're on a very good omega-3 fatty acid supplement, black seed oil, really good fish oil supplement. So omega-3 fatty acids are really necessary for brain development. They're excellent for their joints, for all forms of recovery from athletic performance. And then there are things you could do if you really wanted to really accelerate things. You could add red light therapy. You could add hydrogen nanobath.

• 1:10:51Speaker 02

  I would have them drinking hydrogen water even at that age. I personally think that hydrogenated water is arguably the most underutilized, scientifically valid biohack in the world.

• 1:11:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you think so many people criticize that? Like, I've seen reactions to all of us. Like, I have videos about me that's negative. Hey, Patrick, David, this, this, this is that. Okay, well, I'm the insurance network marketing. Okay, great. But why do you think people try to, like, if there's things that I see where people try to break it down with you, it's hydrogen water?

• 1:11:25Speaker 02

  I would love to debate somebody on hydrogen water. No one's ever willing to, anyone that wants to criticize me on hydrogen water, I will invite them onto my podcast and I will openly allow them to express whatever trepidations they have about hydrogen water. It is, I would love to see this.

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• 1:12:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I think I saw this on Twitter, some, one of them. Anyways, if I don't find it.

• 1:12:49Speaker 02

  I'd love to see it. Anyone listening to this podcast who wants to come on to the Ultimate Human Podcast, my guest, I will fly you in at my expense. You can actually stay at my biohacking studio.

• 1:12:59Patrick Bet-David?

  I love that offer.

• 1:13:01Speaker 02

  I'm very sincere about that and we will have an open debate about the benefits and the side effects of hydrogen water. Why don't we just, why don't we look at what the research says right here? And if you can find that, there's, there's a video of me, but I don't know if that's where I'm criticized. A lot of criticisms I deserve, you know, sometimes I put things out that I read in articles and I don't check the publications.

• 1:13:26Speaker 02

  Critics of hydrogen water. Scientific evidence supporting the health benefits is weak with most studies being small and lacking rigorous methodology, meaning there's not enough data to definitively claim scientific. Okay, so do me a favor, you go to Google, you search Journal of Experimental Gerontology, hydrogen water. It was published in November of 2021. November 2021, Journal of Experimental Gerontology. Yeah, pull that one up. Okay, this was a, anybody who wants to criticize, double-blind, randomized, peer-reviewed, published clinical trials. This is the effects of six months of hydrogen-rich water intake on what's called molecular and phenotypic biomarkers.

• 1:14:07Speaker 02

  These means they're looking at, they're looking at inflammation. They actually used a marker called TET2 to actually measure the methylation cycle in these adults of aging in older adults. The reason why I'm bringing you to this study and not the 13 other studies that I would love to debate on, but this study in particular is because. This was done in older ages, right? Most of the time when you see studies in young athletes and healthy young men and women, it's not as applicable. So let's say, let's go to older ages, 70 and above. It is a randomized controlled pilot trial. Okay, so let's scroll down and see what some of these outcomes were. Hydrogen rich water, blah, blah, blah, blah. Favorably affected several age-related features in the elderly.

• 1:14:49Speaker 02

  So let's go and it increased their telomere lengths. Those are the lengths of the chromosomes. Like, one of the hallmarks of aging is the degradation of the distal ends of the chromosome called the telomere. So the longer the telomere, the younger the biological age of that host. So one of the measures that we use to check your biological age against your chronological age is we look at your telomeres. If we can lengthen your telomeres, we are extending your lifespan. So can we scroll down? Okay, so the molecular markers of DNA chromosome here. Look at all of the things that they measure and then we're going to see the outcomes. The biomarkers assessed at baseline and six-month follow-up were molecular markers in the blood,

• 1:15:33Speaker 02

  DNA, and chromosomes, nutrient sensing, protein and lipid metabolism, oxidative stress, mitochondria, cellular senescence, meaning zombie cells, inflammation, brain metabolism, cognitive functioning, physical functioning, and body composition, as well as resting blood pressure, facial skin features, sleep outcomes, and health-related quality of life. So now let's see what happened when they actually used hydrogen-rich water for six months. And this will be part of my debate with whoever wants to debate me. So a significant treatment time. So there was telomere lengthening with the length increased after hydrogen-rich water intervention over baseline versus the control water.

• 1:16:14Speaker 02

  There was significantly higher the, oh, methylcytocene deoxygenase. So tet-methylcytocene deoxygenase is a marker for methylation. Methylation is the process that your cells are going through to take compounds that enter your body and convert them into the usable form. One of the hallmarks of a youthful biome is that your cellular biology converts things into the usable form very well. It accelerated in the hydrogen-rich water group. Can you go down a little bit further? And they, hold on. It increased brain choline and N A A levels in the frontal gray matter. Brain creatine in the right parietal matter.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  Can we go down a little bit further? So the, there was no significant differences were found in other outcomes, except for a significantly improved chair/stand performance. This is where the sarcopenia, which is age-related muscle wasting, right, which happens the older we get, the faster this occurs. So this is their ability to sit and stand, right? So the number of times they can actually sit/stand, their sit/stand ratio.

• 1:17:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Significantly improved chair/stand performance after HRV intervention compared to the control water.

• 1:17:28Speaker 02

  It can be recognized as a possible anti-aging agent that tackles several hallmarks of aging, including loss of function and telomere length studying. Telomere length shortening.

• 1:17:38Patrick Bet-David?

  And this study was registered at clinicaltrials.gov.

• 1:17:42Speaker 02

  Yes, you can go look this study up. In fact, if you go to, can you go to hydrogenstudies.com? It's not my website, by the way. Okay, hydrogenstudies.com and just go to view all studies. Okay, there are 1,335 studies on hydrogen water, hydrogen gas here. You can actually go and you can deselect the animals if you want to just see. So go to all test subjects. Click that, just highlight the humans on the right. So get rid of the mice and the rats and the dogs. Boom, now just select all, click select all. Boom, now you're just, oh, sorry. Deselect all, collect humans and hit search, top right. So now it's just going to be in human clinical trials.

• 1:18:26Speaker 02

  F K C and safety of hydrogen therapy in patients with early-stage interstitial lungs disease. Successful treatment of myologic encephalomyelitis and chronic fatigue syndrome using hydrogen gas. I mean, it is mind-numbing. First of all, hydrogen is the most prevalent element in the universe. It's also the lightest element that we know of. In fact, if you say that something is an antioxidant. What does that mean? Blueberries are antioxidants. Like, what does that mean? It means that it's donating ions, donating electrons, right? So you can actually do a study for yourself at home. Just, just order something called an ORP meter, oxidative reduction potential meter. You can get it for 10 bucks on Amazon. What this will do is it'll take any compound, like a liquid. You could put it in this bottle and you could measure the ability of this water

• 1:19:10Speaker 02

  to either cause inflammation or reduce inflammation. Okay? So the more positive the ORP, the more it causes inflammation. This Fiji bottle's gonna be about a plus 150. So even though this water will hydrate you, it will cause inflammation. If you dropped a hydrogen tablet in there and it effervesced into hydrogen gas and you drank that, it would drop the ORP to negative 400. So now you would take this glass of water, this bottle of water, and you would turn it into an antioxidant. And if you look at, I mean, study after study, I, I use one called, you can go to drink h2tab.com. Go to drink h2tab.com. This is the one I take.

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  I'm actually a partner in this. That's my son. But go to science. Okay. If you were to scroll down here, these are the clinical studies. Keep, sorry, keep going. These are the clinical studies, whereas the scientific studies, it should say on there, benefits. If you go to the bottom, under science, should show you the studies. We linked them there somewhere, science. Okay, so resources, science. So we should be able to, there were 24 studies done on that elemental magnesium tablet alone. And you look at giving it to-

• 1:20:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Double-blind studies, like the full-blown?

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  The full-blown double-blind studies. And these are the highest level of, of research. First of all, it's safe across the board because hydrogen's the most prevalent element in the universe. I mean, it's, it's also the lightest element in the universe. So what happens when you put excess hydrogen into the body? It becomes one of the most anti-inflammatory compounds we know of. Because hydrogen, you can also bathe in it. It will go right transdermal. So if you have knee, hip, shoulder, rotator cuff-

• 1:21:02Patrick Bet-David?

  You can literally bathe in it, like, in the bathtub?

• 1:21:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know, if, if you go to John Jones' page, if you go to John Jones' Instagram- It's gonna be down their ways, but you know, I started working with John Jones before his last UFC fight. And one of the issues that he had, if you keep going back before his fight in November, he did a post with he and I, where he talked about, there he is, there I am sitting with him, right there. So I have him get in a red light bed, I've got him getting in a, you know, I've got him doing oxygen therapy, what's called E-WAT, exercise with oxygen therapy. I taught him a breathwork technique. But John will tell you that when I parachuted into his camp, one of the issues that he

• 1:21:49Speaker 02

  had was, you know, just because of his career, he's waking up every day in excruciating pain. At the time, he was only training five days a week, and he was waking up in just pain every morning because of the jiu-jitsu and all the contact sports, and this is right before his fight. So we went out there, I added two major things to his routine. He started drinking hydrogen-rich water, which is NSF certified, it's just hydrogen and water, and he started bathing in it every night for 25 minutes. By the 21st day, he called me and he goes, "Man, I can't believe it. I am waking up, I am not in any pain."

• 1:22:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow, and that's big for him.

• 1:22:27Speaker 02

  I'm actually adding a sixth day of training to my training schedule. I'm taking zero credit for his competency in the ring, none, none whatsoever. But what I was able to do was get him out of pain by bathing and drinking hydrogen-rich water going into his fight. And I could give you athlete after athlete after athlete after athlete that this works in. I mean, the single best thing that you can, it's about a dollar a day for those hydrogen tablets. I used to promote these hydrogen water bottles, but what I'm finding is the longer you use that bottle, the less part per million hydrogen it makes. And it's too expensive for people, you know, I want my message to be for the masses. And so for less than a dollar a day, you drop an elemental magnesium tablet into that glass of water.

• 1:23:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Any water.

• 1:23:09Speaker 02

  Any water. And it will automatically turn it into an antioxidant bomb. If you really think about like, what do antioxidants do for us besides reduce oxidation? You know, about 70% of our circulatory system, our circulation is actually not done by our heart. People think the heart circulates all the blood in the body. It actually doesn't. It circulates it through the major arteries and the major veins, but it doesn't do the microvascular circulation. That's done by an activity called vaso motor, kind of like a snake swallowing a mouse. And this is the most underserved.

• 1:23:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Vaso motor?

• 1:23:45Speaker 02

  Vaso motor or vaso motion. If you look up that activity, that's how capillaries will kind of move blood through a capillary, kind of like a vaso motor or vaso motion. So I love that you guys are doing this. This is so awesome. Regulation of blood flow in small vessels, right? So what happens is, you know, blood gets brought to the entrance of these vessels and then this vaso motor activity continues the circulation. So if you want to improve the appearance of your skin, fine lines and wrinkles, the blood supply to the back of your eyes, your liver, your lungs, your pancreas, your kidneys, your brain, if you want to improve your microvascular circulation, which is 70% of your circulatory system, you can do things like expose your skin to sunlight, get in a red light therapy

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  bed, exercising your vascular system by cold water immersion and heat exposure to actually dilate and vasoconstrict, and you can take hydrogen, you can drink hydrogen rich water.

• 1:24:41Patrick Bet-David?

  How long of doing that?

• 1:24:43Speaker 02

  Really, we'd love to debate somebody.

• 1:24:44Patrick Bet-David?

  How long, how long of doing that do you see the results?

• 1:24:47Speaker 02

  Immediately.

• 1:24:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 1:24:49Speaker 02

  If you took three, I don't know. Do I have some here? Is my team still here?

• 1:24:52Patrick Bet-David?

  I've never had it. I have it right now. If you want to bring one of your, I literally have it right now.

• 1:24:56Speaker 02

  I'll bring you, I'll bring them in here. We'll drop three of them in that bottle right there.

• 1:24:58Patrick Bet-David?

  I'll do it right now.

• 1:24:59Speaker 02

  You will whack it back.

• 1:25:00Patrick Bet-David?

  See somebody bring it right now, drink it. So for me, every time.

• 1:25:02Speaker 02

  Can you tell my team to come in here and bring hydrogen tablets?

• 1:25:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Tony, well, Tony, if you can bring, and so you're saying, put how many of them in there?

• 1:25:09Speaker 02

  We're gonna put three of them in there called hydrogen bomb.

• 1:25:10Patrick Bet-David?

  And does it taste like anything? Am I gonna feel?

• 1:25:14Speaker 02

  This one will taste like raspberry. It's flavored with raspberry, but they, they make an unflavored version.

• 1:25:20Patrick Bet-David?

  And what's the other thing that I saw was with the metal thing? What is the metal? Do you know what I'm talking about?

• 1:25:26Speaker 02

  Stir stick?

• 1:25:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Is that anything or that's nothing?

• 1:25:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, um, that won't do anything close to what hydrogen tablets will do. So if you, that's elemental magnesium, right? So if you-

• 1:25:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Which one you want me to do? This is fine?

• 1:25:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, just do that one.

• 1:25:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:25:38Speaker 02

  Drop two or three of them in there. It's going to take about 50 seconds to dissolve. You're going to get to 12 parts per million-

• 1:25:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Smells amazing. What, this is, is it blueberry or raspberry?

• 1:25:46Speaker 02

  Raspberry.

• 1:25:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:25:47Speaker 02

  So it's actual raspberry. So just hold that up. You see the gas that's going in there? So it's pure elemental magnesium. All 24 of those studies are on that site. DrinkH2Tab.com. Go there and read the study. Do not take my word for it. Or go to HydrogenStudies.com. You know, my, my son and I just did the Great World Race, um, which was seven marathons on seven continents in seven days.

• 1:26:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Holy shit.

• 1:26:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I only ran half marathons and I ran one full marathon. But my, my son ran all seven marathons-

• 1:26:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Get out of here.

• 1:26:18Speaker 02

  On all seven continents-

• 1:26:19Patrick Bet-David?

  How old is he?

• 1:26:19Speaker 02

  In seven days. He's 24.

• 1:26:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Good for him.

• 1:26:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, Cole Brecka. I'm so proud of him. And, um, and he started at 210 pounds. He was like 189 when we got home. But, uh, he's a beast. There he is. Uh, that's us in the Great World Race. That's us in, um, in, uh, Cape Town, South Africa. So at that time, he had already run a marathon in Antarctica. I'd run 18 miles of the marathon. I couldn't make the rest of it. And, um, he ran the full marathon in Antarctica. We flew five and a half hours to Cape Town and then he ran the marathon in Cape Town.

• 1:26:52Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, he looks like, uh, look at those quads. Was he an athlete or what?

• 1:26:55Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. He's a rugby player and, um, I mean, he's built more like a rugby player than a distance marathon. I don't know what possessed him to run. When he signed up for this race, I was like-

• 1:27:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Good for him.

• 1:27:05Speaker 02

  Cole, I hate to state the frickin' obvious, brother, but you've never run a marathon.

• 1:27:11Patrick Bet-David?

  But what were you going to say? Did hydrogen water play a role?

• 1:27:13Speaker 02

  Hydrogen water is the only reason why he made it across all seven continents. So that is all gas in there. That density you see is all hydrogen gas. You're going to drink that. It's going to go right through your stomach wall, through your esophagus, through the intestinal wall-

• 1:27:27Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm going to wait for the whole thing because I still see three of them going through it. I'll wait.

• 1:27:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's going to massively reduce inflammation. That's, that's him out on the run in, uh- Antarctica. That's the first marathon we did was 26.3 miles there. And then

• 1:27:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude, that's gotta be sick. That's where?

• 1:27:44Speaker 02

  Antarctica.

• 1:27:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Get out of here. Really?

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. He's actually set a record at the clinic where we went and did his VO2 max testing. He had a really crazy VO2 max.

• 1:27:52Patrick Bet-David?

  So how many miles did he run in Antarctica?

• 1:27:55Speaker 02

  He ran 184 miles in seven days, but in Antarctica, he ran 26.3 miles. That's Antarctica.

• 1:28:02Patrick Bet-David?

  How freezing? How cold is it?

• 1:28:05Speaker 02

  It was minus 28 with a wind chill of minus 48.

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• 1:29:10Patrick Bet-David?

  And remember inauguration where DC Rob were freezing our tails off. We're like, dude,

• 1:29:15Speaker 02

  Dude, I was there too. That was crazy.

• 1:29:16Patrick Bet-David?

  God, it was cold. So this is minus 48.

• 1:29:20Speaker 02

  Minus 48. Then you get on a plane, you fly five and a half hours and land and got off the plane and ran a marathon in K-Town, South Africa. And then we got back on the plane and flew 11 hours, 14 hours to Perth, Australia.

• 1:29:32Patrick Bet-David?

  What does he do for work? What's he do full time?

• 1:29:33Speaker 02

  He works for me full time and he is the co-founder of that H2 Tabs.

• 1:29:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, so this is a, he's a co-founder of this?

• 1:29:39Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:29:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. So I think all of it is gone. So now do I mix it or just drink it?

• 1:29:43Speaker 02

  Whack it right back.

• 1:29:46Speaker 02

  I'll get right back. If you do that in the morning, you won't even eat coffee. And I know it sounds like I'm here to sell you a hydrogen tablet. I actually prefer that everybody take the hydrogen tablet, but you can get hydrogen water generators for your, your house. You can get hydrogen tablets. You can, you can get hydrogen bottles, but get hydrogen gas into your body.

• 1:30:05Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's not tough to drink? Just so you know how sometimes there's flavor. I don't drink coffee at all. I haven't had it since 25.

• 1:30:12Patrick Bet-David?

  For me, I'm naturally wired.

• 1:30:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:30:16Patrick Bet-David?

  So I don't, I don't, you know, um, seven years ago, I stopped. The last time I had soda was July of 2019 because of my former CFO, Ian Benedict.

• 1:30:26Speaker 02

  Wow, you remember July 2019?

• 1:30:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, because we were at Breakers Hotel and I'm sitting there, I'm saying, hey Ian, how come, because I used to drink three Coke zeros a day. I'm like, how come you don't drink? And he says, I haven't had a soda for seven years. I'm like, well, you know what? I'm gonna start today, see if I can go a week. I want a week and I haven't had anything since July of 2019 because of it.

• 1:30:43Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:30:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So Paul Saladino was here, what, six weeks ago, five weeks ago? I don't know when he was here. He's a friend of yours.

• 1:30:48Speaker 02

  He stayed with me when he was here.

• 1:30:49Patrick Bet-David?

  When he was here, oh really? Yeah. So when he was here, um, you know, I was asking him about Celsius and some of these other things. He says, listen, this is the worst. I haven't had anything since the last time he was here. So every time it's one habit, one thing I try to adjust to see what it does for me. I've never had hydrogen water. I'm curious to know how I'm gonna feel throughout the day with this. So this is everyday three tablets is what you're suggesting? And does it matter? You know how sometimes they say don't drink water from plastic? Do you wanna drink water from this?

• 1:31:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I would prefer you don't drink it from plastic, but you know, whether you're drinking the filtered water, bottled water, um, you know, I don't, I don't think anybody should drink tap water, but whatever vessel you're drinking water out of, just drop a hydrogen tablet in it. It'll take 50 seconds for that to dissolve.

• 1:31:29Patrick Bet-David?

  You're saying three or just one?

• 1:31:31Speaker 02

  Three throughout the day.

• 1:31:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Three throughout the day.

• 1:31:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, but at least one in the morning. If you're, if you're tired or you lack sleep or you're exhausted and you, that drop in inflammation will, will wake you up. Not because it's stimulating you. There's nothing, no stimulant in there, but you will notice that if you're dragging ass and you do one or two of those hydrogen tablets and you put a high dose of hydrogen gas into the body, it will, it will wake you up because it will reduce that fog and inflammation.

• 1:31:59Patrick Bet-David?

  I wrote another thing down that I'm curious about. A few, uh, memory. Okay? Uh, there's a benefit, there's benefit to having memory. Now, obviously, moving forward, I don't think having a strong memory is as beneficial as it used to be because nowadays you got Google, ChatGPT, Grok, there's so many easy things like people who used to be able to memorize things, that's no longer as a, just like calculators came out and those who can do math in their, in their mind, great, you can do it, anybody else can do it. It's a great equalizer, right? But there's still benefits in having a good memory.

• 1:32:28Speaker 02

  No question.

• 1:32:28Patrick Bet-David?

  What helps, what can you do to strengthen? I have an exercise I do, but I'm curious to know to the average person that's thinking, how can I improve my memory? What can you do?

• 1:32:36Speaker 02

  Well, there's three things you can do to improve your memory. I mean, first of all, I would lower your glycemic profile. I would dramatically reduce, um, sugar and carbohydrate intake. Not, not, not go keto, not go Atkins, uh, you know, or carnivore per se. But we know now that Alzheimer's is type 3 diabetes. If you put in type, just because I know he's gonna Google it, so I might as well just get ahead of him. Type 3 diabetes, um, yeah, or a type 3 diabetes Alzheimer's, bum. Um, the type 3 diabetes is, uh, they say that's not recognized as a, um, similarly sweetened type 2 diabetes and Alzheimer's. If you, if you keep scrolling down.

• 1:33:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting.

• 1:33:15Speaker 02

  Um, they hypothesize that Alzheimer's disease may be a form of type 3 diabetes and specifically affects the brain because, you know, a lot of people don't realize this. It's not just the pancreas that makes insulin. The brain is so crack addicted to, um, sugar that it can make its own insulin. Um, and so, um, and what the brain wants, the brain gets, when the brain craves sugar, um, it will activate dopamine receptors in the back of the tongue. I think they're the R1A2 receptors, so that it gives you a sort of a reward for giving it sugar. So, we know that insulin resistance in the brain, um, there's evidence to support the connection between insulin resistance and Alzheimer's. So, insulin resistance in the brain, um, you know, when you, when you don't have places to store

• 1:34:00Speaker 02

  sugar in the body, we convert sugar into something called glycogen, we store it in the liver, in the brain, there's no place to store it. There are neurosynaptic junctions, these little spaces between nerves. So, insulin resistance has a massively negative impact on the brain. So, before I tell you what to take to improve, um, Memory, it's what to not do to improve your memory. So you want to lower your glycemic profile, so lower your blood sugar, your, what's called your hemoglobin A1C, the three-month average of your blood sugar will do a lot for your cognitive function. That's why if you ever notice how sharp you are in awake and alert and aware when you're fasted, or when you're hungry. Like when you're hungry and you're going searching for food, you're actually on your game.

• 1:34:42Speaker 02

  You feel alert, you feel awake, you feel focused, you feel cognizant, you feel clear. Why is that? Because your blood sugar is low. And so, on the low side. So the lower you can keep your hemoglobin A1C, you know, and a really good hemoglobin A1C is 5.2, 5.3 or less. And the more insulin-sensitive you are, the sharper your memory's going to be. The second thing is that memory is directly related to circulation. The presence of oxygen is the absence of disease. And as you deprive the brain of oxygen, which is called hypoxia, which by the way is the definition of death, hypoxia, lack of oxygen to the brain. But as you just take marginal deficits in the amount of oxygen in the brain, you take

• 1:35:25Speaker 02

  significant deficits in your cognitive function. So mobility, exercise, breathing, will do more for your cognitive function than any kind of normotropic, because you will increase the circulation to the brain. And a lot of people don't realize that you can also improve the capacity for your blood to carry oxygen by managing your levels of red blood cells and hemoglobin. So for example, the reason why hormone therapy may improve, or does improve cognitive function, like when, when men that are deficient begin in testosterone, for example, or women that are deficient in testosterone, get on testosterone replacement therapy, or they fix the nutrient deficiencies like DHEA and D3 that cause hormone deficiency.

• 1:36:11Speaker 02

  Their cognitive function returns, or their memory improves, or their short-term recall improves. And why is that? Because when you normalize the hormone level, you normalize or increase the level of red blood cells, which carry oxygen, and it brings more oxygen to the brain. This is why testosterone deficient men have memory issues. Testosterone, men that are not deficient in testosterone that have a tendency to have less memory issues. So hormone therapy can be a big, play a big role in cognitive function.

• 1:36:43Patrick Bet-David?

  HRT or TRT?

• 1:36:45Speaker 02

  Oh, no question. If you, I know he's gonna do it anyway, so we might as well just do it. But if you go to the Journal of American Urology, which is considered the bible for male endocrine therapy, just go to Journal of American Urology, testosterone, and then open that and scroll down to line 13, where it says, counseling regarding testosterone deficiency. Did you say Journal of American Urology? There you go. Oh, that was it. Okay, so scroll down to the line 13, number 13. Sorry. Is that the actual, wait, that's not the actual study. Journal of American Urology, testosterone.

• 1:37:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Go back, Rob, if you can go back.

• 1:37:27Speaker 02

  Journal of American Urology.

• 1:37:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Right there. On the bottom it says testosterone. Yeah, there you go.

• 1:37:32Speaker 02

  Boom. Okay. Evaluation and management of testosterone deficiency. Okay, this is, by the way, this is one of the better peer-reviewed published journals in the world on male endocrine therapy. So we're gonna go to the bible for a second. Keep scrolling down until you get to line 13, which will say, counseling regarding the management of testosterone deficiency. 13, there we go. Counseling regarding the treatment of testosterone deficiency, sorry. So, so this is what a physician.

• 1:38:02Speaker 02

  Should say to a patient that is deficient in testosterone if they're thinking of taking testosterone therapy. Clinicians should inform testosterone deficient patients that low testosterone is a risk factor for cardiovascular disease, not the other way around. If you scroll down again. Patients should be informed that testosterone therapy may result in improvements in erectile function, low sex drive, anemia, bone mineral density, lean body mass, and/or depressive symptoms. The reason why all of these are affected by all of these, energy, fatigue, lipid profiles, quality of life, cognitive function, right there, is because, and if you go further into the studies, and I won't bore you with those, but is because you are improving the presence

• 1:38:45Speaker 02

  of oxygen in the bloodstream. And so, the more oxygen you have, the better your cognitive function. So first, I would lower my sugars. I would try to maintain, you know, low levels of high glycemic sugars in my blood. I would, if you are young, you shouldn't start hormone therapy, but you should have your hormone levels checked and see if you are deficient in the nutrients that your body needs to make hormones. About 70% of, you know, patients that qualify for hormone therapy don't need hormones. They need the nutrients that the body needs to make hormones. So if you're clinically deficient, for example, in DHEA, or you have high levels of something called SHBG, sex hormone binding globulin, or you're clinically deficient in vitamin

• 1:39:30Speaker 02

  D3, these are nutrients that affect the production, metabolism, and conversion of the hormone testosterone. And if we don't look at these things, we put people on hormone therapy too early, rather than putting them on the nutrients to make their own hormones. And so, I just wanted to show you this because this is a...

• 1:39:47Patrick Bet-David?

  This reminds me of the book I read many years ago, Ageless Man. I don't know if you've heard about the book, Ageless Man. It's, they did the study on... Was it rats? Or I don't know what they were testing on to see how your testosterone being lower affects your heart attacks, your heart and how.

• 1:40:04Speaker 02

  Ten thousand receptors for testosterone in the heart alone.

• 1:40:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, this is actually the book, by the way. Yeah, this is, that's the book. That's the book that it came out about eight years ago. It's very interesting when it's not a popular book. It's not something that you know.

• 1:40:17Speaker 02

  I haven't read it.

• 1:40:19Patrick Bet-David?

  It was actually a very interesting book to read, to understand a little bit more about, zooming a little bit on the cover of the book, Rob. How to cure prevented disease of aging, Alzheimer's, depression, Parkinson's, hypertension, coronary disease, heart infarcts, slipped disc, prostate impotence, knee. I mean, it's like all of it and it's a simple book. It's not a big book to read.

• 1:40:39Speaker 02

  You know, what's amazing about that is that this is exactly what we discovered in our, in our research in mortality is that so often, so many things go wrong. So if you just look at that myriad of symptoms, right? Hypertension, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, cholesterol, obesity, slipped disc, you know, prostate impotence, hip, osteoarthritis. That seems like the entire world's going to hell in a handbasket. Right? So if you treat these like spokes on a wheel, these look like independent variables all going wrong. There's a cardiac issue. There's a mental issue. There's a bone issue. There's a circulatory issue. There's a cognitive issue. There's one issue causing everything. And this is what happens and I believe goes lost on modern medicine very often is usually

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  one thing goes wrong that causes everything. You don't have multiple systems going wrong. Right? I mean, I, you know, people that have an autoimmune disease tend to have multiple autoimmune diseases. Why is that? Because it's a failure of the immune system or not a failure of the immune system. The immune system is usually acting properly because we don't go and find out why the immune system is attacking our tissue. Probably 40% of your audience listening to this podcast right now has some form of autoimmune condition, autoimmune thyroid, Hashimoto's, Crohn's, Chirren's, you know, a whole number of things. And what modern medicine would have you believe is that, you know, you woke up one day. And your immune system is attacking your tissues.

• 1:42:07Speaker 02

  Right, so if you have Crohn's disease, you woke up one day and your immune system started manufacturing antibiotics to your colon. Or if you have Hashimoto's, you woke up one day and the immune system started to attack your thyroid. And we immediately assume that the immune system has gone wrong, that the immune system's made a mistake, so we need to suppress the immune system and we need to put anti-inflammatories in the body. Instead of saying, "Let's just assume that God didn't make a mistake. Let's just assume that the immune system is acting properly. We just need to find out why." So in other words, it's attacking the colon, yes, but it's doing it for a reason. Let's figure out why. And the big whys are mold, mycotoxin, metals, viruses, parasites, those five. Use test for those five.

• 1:42:52Speaker 02

  You will get to the root of, in my opinion, the majority of all autoimmune conditions. But we believe that autoimmune conditions happen because the immune system is spontaneously dysfunctional. There are so many people with autoimmune Hashimoto's, and what do they do? They just put them on medication and watch the immune system just slowly attack, you know, the thyroid. But the truth is, when you have pathogens in the body, like mold, a mycotoxin, a virus, a parasite, and you have a healthy cell, and if they're listening to this, they can't see this, but pathogens don't hide like this, right? They hide like this.

• 1:43:31Speaker 02

  So in other words, let's say that this is a virus, a mycotoxin, or a heavy metal, and it's floating around the bloodstream. It's not going to hide outside of the cell, it's going to hide inside the cell. Now, the immune system sees this invader. How does it get to that pathogen? It manufactures an antibody to your cell to get to this. It's not after this cell, it's not after your thyroid. But if you take heavy metals and you embed them in your thyroid tissue, your immune system will manufacture antibodies to the tissue to get to this. So it's just like if, you know, if crime is committed and... And the offender ran into your building and locked the door.

• 1:44:14Speaker 02

  The police would bust that door down to get to the offender. The immune system will do the same thing. It will bust through the wall of your cell by manufacturing an antibody to get to the invader. It's not after the cell. It's not after the friendly tissue. It's after the invader. So why don't we support the immune system and say, hey, why did I wake up one day and I have autoimmune antibodies to my thyroid? Well, maybe you have heavy metals embedded in thyroid, right? Maybe a mold, mycotoxin. So I always, you know, try to preach that there's so much hope for us. You know, by getting back to the basics, nutrifying the body, putting the raw materials in that God gave us to allow our bodies to function properly. And as soon as something goes wrong, not assuming that you've had a disease or pathology

• 1:44:59Speaker 02

  happen to you, that something deficient has happened within you. Fixing that deficiency can fix that condition.

• 1:45:06Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, I can listen to you for three more hours and we can go through a bunch of different things. When I was today, I saw some of the stuff. Cause the first time I heard about you was when you and Cardone started doing stuff together. Then from there, I saw the Dana stuff. And then you and I met at the UFC thing and we started talking. And then earlier today, when the guys, we were doing the final prep for the podcast, we went on the 10x health, whatever the website was. And when I thought about that, the health, I thought about you. I don't think, I don't see Cardone as a health guy. I see him as a real estate guy. I think of you as a health guy. And I saw what's going on recently with you. What happened?

• 1:45:48Speaker 02

  It's so sad. It's so sad. I mean, my wife and I, like so many other business owners, were just completely duped by Grant, his partner, Brandon Dawson. You know, they built an industry on creating the hope that you can be successful in business by doing his real estate courses or by allowing Cardone Ventures. They have an entity called Cardone Ventures and supposedly it's a business scaling. They're professionals at business scaling. They're actually kind of professionals at business scamming. You know, they, when we got into business with them, you know, my wife and I started a company called Streamline Medical Group.

• 1:46:31Speaker 02

  And we started it because we wanted to make an impact on humanity and we really wanted to shift what was going on in modern medicine.

• 1:46:40Speaker 02

  We treated Grant Cardone, he had a great relationship, he had a great experience with us. And then he said he was gonna buy us, and he was gonna just blow our business up, and we were gonna scale to the moon. And what we realized was that really what they wanted to do was take, they took over our business. Now, look, I take responsibility for this because I signed a really bad contract with some really bad people. And I didn't know at the time, because I was like this wide-eyed entrepreneur, and I wanted to make this huge impact on humanity, and, you know, and Brandon Dawson and Grant were talking about, you're gonna build a billion-dollar company. We scaled all of these companies, turned out to be complete nonsense. Essentially, what they did was, they paid us nothing for the company. They strung the payouts out over about three years.

• 1:47:25Speaker 02

  We got a quarter of a million dollars at the closing, which we were then forced to put into Cardone Capital. And we put it into Cardone Capital before Grant Cardone told me that he was under investigation by the feds, that a two-year investigation by criminal investigation was underway at Cardone Capital. And, you know, we put the money in when Grant Cardone knew that he was under investigation. He didn't disclose that to us for another two and a half years. And we got into business with them, and you go to these events, and they're so intoxicating. There's like celebrities on the stage, and there's fireworks, and, you know, Grant's showing you his planes and his, and his, and his oceanfront mansions, and Brandon's talking

• 1:48:09Speaker 02

  about all these businesses that, that he's scaled. And what you realize is happening is, they are selling the dream of success, not success. And they built a company that's a fee-based company that is meant to strip fees from, from these young companies, three to eight million-dollar companies, strip fees out of these companies. Take equity in these companies, promise them that you're going to scale their company, but not have any obligation to scale the company. So the entrepreneur is obligated to pay fees. Cardone Ventures is not obligated to scale their business. And they put them

• 1:48:51Speaker 02

  in these bear trap contracts. I mean, as soon as we announced the lawsuit against Cardone Ventures, my law firm got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of calls from young entrepreneurs like my wife and I that had been scammed the same way that we had been. Essentially, they build this massive dream, but the contracts don't reflect what they're promising you. And because you're so intoxicated by this dream of a billion dollar company and changing thousands and thousands of lies, you sign these agreements because they seem like great people. And then all of a sudden, you realize that you've actually not just sold your company, you've sold your soul. And they want to control every word that

• 1:49:29Speaker 02

  you say. I mean, I went on the Joe Rogan podcast in November of 2023. Coming out of that podcast, we did 20,000 genetic tests, did 17 million that month in revenue. And Brandon Dawson and Cardone Ventures sent me a cease and desist because I wore the wrong T-shirt and didn't use an affiliate link that would drive all of those leads into the system that would turn them into other courses. Right? And but my, my objective when we started was not to, to pay your company fees to build your business. My objective was to get this information to the masses. And then what they did behind our back was

• 1:50:11Speaker 02

  the most sinister thing that happened. And this is all in our lawsuit, so I'm not defaming them. What they did behind our back was, my wife Sage and I were partners with Grant and Brandon. We were killing it in the genetic testing market. I believed in the gene test. I believed in the supplements. It took me two and a half years to formulate the supplement that we use to fix these genetic breaks. And tens of thousands, in fact, hundreds of thousands of people were benefiting from it. We were, we were really addressing the masses. We were killing it. We were doing 17 million a month in revenue. We were doing 20,000 new gene tests. We couldn't even keep inventory on the shelves. Then what they did without telling us was they went out and they bought a company outside of our company. They bought a genetic testing lab in Austria.

• 1:50:56Speaker 02

  They bought a manufacturer of supplements in Austria. And without telling us, because Brandon Dawson was the CEO of both companies, the company he was partnered with, my wife and I, and Cardone Ventures, he forced 10x Health to do business with the company that he bought outside of our 10x Health company. He forced us to do business with this company halfway around the world. We didn't realize when he was pitching it to us, why he was so insistent that we start taking patients' DNA that we were testing in the United States and ship it halfway around the world. So now we do a cheek swab in the US. We ship your, or they, ship your DNA to Austria. It gets run in a lab in Austria.

• 1:51:40Speaker 02

  And then they make your supplements in Austria. And they ship your supplements back from Austria, back to the United States. And so when he presented us with this new genetic test, I couldn't understand, why is he pushing this so hard? I go, Brandon, this genetic test is terrible. First of all, the gene snips in the tests we do in the United States are not even matching the genetic results that you're getting overseas. We're shipping supplements from halfway around the world through customs. They're getting trapped in customs, they're getting sent back. We're not even telling the people here that we're sending their DNA outside of the country. They would put DNA swabs in refrigerators for weeks and weeks and weeks before they would even ship it overseas.

• 1:52:21Speaker 02

  The supplements were woefully underdosed for helping the patients that we were trying to sell this to. My wife had panic attacks, I had massive headaches and got acid reflux on them. A lot of the compounds hadn't been tested on humans yet, or not tested in human trials. And so we got to the point where we said, "Look, I'm not going to sell this test. You've taken the successful genetic test and supplements that's helping hundreds of thousands of people."

• 1:52:54Speaker 02

  And now you're doubling the price of the genetic test. You're taking it from $600 to $1,200. You're quadrupling the price of these supplements. It's $300 a month and you have to buy three months. So it's $900 out of pocket for the average family, which means a family of four is out of pocket $20,000 to do a simple genetic test, which you could take your gene results and run it through ChatGPT and get the exact same results. So I'll tell you right now, if you have a genetic test you've done anywhere in the world, run it through ChatGPT and it'll tell you what to supplement.

• 1:53:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Get out of here.

• 1:53:24Speaker 02

  Absolutely, man. It's perfectly accurate. I'll put a link to how to do it on ChatGPT for free. So now we have a genetic test that's doubled in price, quadrupled in supplements, supplements that haven't been tested. You know, cheek swabs were sent in halfway around the world and then bang, the shoe dropped. We found out they went out and spent $7 million, which they took out of 10x Health in the form of a distribution, bought a company outside of it and shoved that company down our throats. And I said, "I'm not selling this genetic test." And they said, "If you don't sell this genetic test, we'll terminate you." And they kept their word. They terminated me. And they terminated my wife and a company that we sold our primary resonance to start.

• 1:54:08Speaker 02

  And we didn't do everything perfectly. And, you know, they put $250,000 in our pocket to buy this company, which I immediately put into Cardon Capital. So we never took any money off the table. When the company started making money, they stripped $9 million out in distributions to themselves, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars in totally unnecessary fees. Because Cardon Ventures, which owned 82% of our company, has this thing called the Strategic Business Unit, which is a bunch of untrained young entrepreneurs with no specific expertise in the area of business that they sell services in.

• 1:54:53Speaker 02

  And even though they owned eighty-two percent of our company, they still charged massive fees every month, which they paid to themselves, to scale our business. Our business wasn't scaling because of the strategic business unit. Our business was scaling because the message was resonating.

• 1:55:09Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't, you don't.

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• 1:56:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Thank you. So when you're saying seventeen million that one month, is of that business that they owned eighty-two percent of? That business at seventeen million in a month? Wow, that's pretty explosive. So you don't think the Ten X brand and Cardone promoting and talking about it helped get it off the ground?

• 1:56:25Speaker 02

  Oh, it helped me a lot. I mean, I never, first of all, I owe a debt of gratitude to Grant Cardone for even taking the risk of saying that he wanted to partner with our company. I don't take that away from him at all. You know, in fact, a lot of my issues are not with Grant. I mean, I think, I think Brandon Dawson, his partner, is going to be the downfall, the entire organization. I think, you know.

• 1:56:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So you and Grant are good. You don't have issues with Grant?

• 1:56:48Speaker 02

  I don't have, I don't have real issues with Grant. I mean, he's got a few issues with me because I left. I mean, basically, they said, either sell this test or we terminate you. And I said, I'm not selling the test. I'm not, I am not going to use my reputation to shove this thing down the throat of patients that I care about. The, you know, some of the clinicians that have been in my business since we started that business, some of the employees that are there, some of the practicing clinicians are some of the best people in the entire world. You're going to hear something amazing, so. So they, they uh.

• 1:57:21Patrick Bet-David?

  What is that, Rob?

• 1:57:22Speaker 02

  They're now launching the, um, so on January 4th, um, you know, I, I have the ultimate human, it's my, uh, podcast, uh, they went out on January 4th and bought ultimatehuman.com. I have the ultimate human, they bought ultimatehuman.com and now they're launching ultimate human analysis. The, the 10x brand has been so damaged and so destroyed, um, and it had, look at that. See any similarity between that logo and this logo? That's Cardo Ventures.

• 1:57:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you serious?

• 1:57:57Speaker 02

  That's Cardo Ventures.

• 1:57:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you joking or are you serious?

• 1:57:59Speaker 02

  I wish I was joking. They just started this. Yeah. So Brandon Dawson went out while I was his business partner in March of 2024, while we were still business partners, while Sage and I were running our podcast and feeding leads to, to 10x health and boosting 10x health. Brandon Dawson went out and bought a trademark from a doctor, a trademark called, uh, ultimate human analysis, never even told us. We found out he bought the trademark a few months later and he goes, oh, I bought this trademark to protect you guys. And we're like, well, why would you buy an ultimate human trademark? I've got the ultimate human podcast. He goes, yeah, I brought it to protect you guys. So he went out and bought this trademark, sat on it. I sued him on the 26th of December. On the 28th of December, he went out and

• 1:58:44Speaker 02

  bought in the name of that trademark, he bought the social media domains, ultimate human analysis. Then on January 4th, a few, uh, weeks into our lawsuit, he bought ultimatehuman.com and now he's starting ultimate human community, the ultimate human, look at the font, look at the coloring, look at the letters. Um, the brand has been so tarnished that Grant and Brandon just dropped the 10x brand like a stone and now they're chasing the, you know, obviously the ultimate human brand, we'll see how it goes. But it's just a sad story, man, because I really believe what those guys said. I believe what I heard from the stage. Um, uh, it was, it was a horrible experience, you know, I, um, at the time

• 1:59:29Speaker 02

  where we knew we could no longer do business with them, I told Grant, we wanted out and he said, I don't even like the space anyway. Why don't, why don't you guys make me an offer to buy my shares? And so my wife and I ran around Wall Street, you know, trying to raise money. We raised about 75 million dollars. And I asked Grant to play backgammon one night and I went up there and I said, you know, look, we need to have a divorce. I don't want it to be a public divorce. I don't want to hurt the patients. I don't want to hurt the clients. I certainly don't want to hurt the employees that were with me from the beginning, these clinicians that have been with me from the beginning. Some of the most intentional, good people, really good practitioners are still on the deck of that ship.

• 2:00:13Speaker 02

  And I made him an offer. He seemed excited about the offer. He went to his partner, Brandon Dawson. Brandon was like, absolutely not, scary trying to steal the business. And I said, look, just so that you know that this is an honest offer, I will not only pay this valuation for your shares, but you can also buy my wife and I out at the same valuation.

• 2:00:37Patrick Bet-David?

  So. Oh, it's either we do it to you or you do it to us.

• 2:00:40Speaker 02

  I'll either buy your 82% out at this valuation. And at the time, I offered him 65 million dollars.

• 2:00:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Your 18%, they could buy at the 75 million dollar valuation.

• 2:00:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, 65 million dollar valuation. So they could buy me, our 18% and have the entire company, or we would buy their majority interest. They said, it's too little for you to buy our shares and it's too much for us to buy your shares. So in other words, we don't think you're giving us enough money, but it would be too much, that valuation would be too much for your shares. So they forced us to stay in a loveless marriage. And then they wanted us to sell this abject failure of a gene test, which they know does not work. They tried to hire celebrities and influencers to shove this test down people's throats. The market is picking up on the inauthenticity of the messaging, you know, because the intention,

• 2:01:35Speaker 02

  when it becomes solely to make money and not, the intention is not to help people with their well-being. The rate of collapse was just cataclysmic, you know. And so, I mean, sad, but, but, you know, so then we ended up in litigation.

• 2:01:50Patrick Bet-David?

  I thought you guys were, because this business is, it's not a business I'm interested in getting into because there's too many technicalities to it. And I, I, I leave it to the experts to do what they want to do with this. Trust me, like, we have a lot of, right now, we have a guy that wants to do a big sponsorship for one of our events. And I cannot tell you how many questions we're asking before we take sponsorship money. We don't even take sponsorship money, the last 18 months, we gave away $6 million because we're not, we're just not doing it on the podcast. Because of that specific reason, but I thought for sure you guys were gonna work together for many years.

• 2:02:21Speaker 02

  I thought so too.

• 2:02:22Patrick Bet-David?

  And do great things, and it's unfortunate to hear because I think his strength of marketing and just driving and your ability to go out there and present, and you come across very likeable, trusting. You, you just said, sometimes I've made mistakes when I said this, you know, so it, it.

• 2:02:40Speaker 02

  Oh, I've definitely made mistakes.

• 2:02:42Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, but what I'm saying is, all I'm saying is, your approach gets me and others to say, okay, I'm willing to give this guy a shot and listen to him. Especially if somebody doesn't know who you are, they haven't spent time with you. But I thought you guys were gonna do big things together. It's unfortunate that that happened.

• 2:02:55Speaker 02

  Here's the thing, we were doing big things together. What we were doing was working. It was the incessant level of greed that they said, we're gonna take what's actually really working, what's scaling and what is helping the masses. And we're gonna go, we're gonna buy a new company for ourselves, we're gonna hold it for ourselves, and we're gonna force all of this, this, this deal flow that all these people that are coming into the funnel, that were largely coming from like the podcast and stage talks and everything else, you know, and, and, and yes, I will say, Grant Cardone did a lot to elevate my awareness, and I owe him a debt of gratitude for that. But then greed just takes over and you say, "Well, we're making 17 million a month.

• 2:03:38Speaker 02

  We could make 50 million a month if we double the price of the test, if we owned the genetics company, if we owned the supplements, if we quadrupled the price of the monthly supplements." And Gary will just shove it down their throat. And then they ran into a brick wall. I said, "Listen, man, you bought our company. You didn't buy our soul." And it's sad because I want to go back out in the market and help people. I've got 21 more months on my non-compete, so I've got to sit quiet in the United States before I can really get back to what I love to do. So I have to go outside the United States to do it while we see how the lawsuit plays out. But it is what it is.

• 2:04:15Patrick Bet-David?

  All the best to both of you guys. I'm sure Grant's going to do well. I always say, Grant and I, we had a friendship many, many years ago. They had a falling out after I did an interview with somebody who wasn't too happy about, and we didn't keep in contact. I think we spoke one time and visited one time in the last six years, seven years. And it was a great conversation to see what he wants to do next. But when I watch him, his wife, and his daughters, you can say whatever you want to say, they love their father and their husband. You've got to respect that.

• 2:04:45Speaker 02

  He is a great dad. I actually spent a lot of time around him, and ironically even Elena that I'm suing right now. And they're great parents, behind closed doors. When I would spend time at their house, I mean, they're very intentional with their kids. You see a lot of things on social media, but behind the scenes, he actually is a very good dad. And Elena is a good mother too. I mean, they really care about their daughters, and they're intentional about the way they're raising them. They spend a lot of time with them. You go over to a lot of wealthy people's houses, and the kids are always tucked over somewhere with the nanny. It's not like that. I just unfortunately think that there's

• 2:05:25Speaker 02

  an incessant level of greed. I think there's good and evil in every person, right?

• 2:05:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Unfortunately, that happens in families, that happens in businesses, that happens in siblings, that happens in... You try to do every... And a lot of times, you know what I've learned? Here's what I've learned.

• 2:05:43Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm a big fan of prenuptial agreements. And a lot of people are like, why would you want to do that? I'm eliminating future arguments. Where if we can put it on paper. And at first you're kind of like, but we love each other. We don't need to do this. We don't need to do, just put it on paper. That, what if this happens? You do this. What if that happens? We do this. What if this happens? You do this. Okay. Any relationships that were business or family, whatever, the more things were documented on a piece of paper to agree on. My wife and I, our first, uh, second date, I bought her a book, 101 questions to ask before you get engaged. Why? We talked about so many different things, how we raise our kids, how many kids I want to have financially, who manages the finances, how many days can you go without me being

• 2:06:28Patrick Bet-David?

  on the road and da, da, da, da, da, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, the faith, the politics. It was such a great exercise.

• 2:06:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Spoke right here. I bought a few thousand copies and gave it away to all my single guys on my team. My guys, read this. I cannot tell you how many, and eventually I ended up-

• 2:06:40Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm gonna read it even though I'm married. I have a great marriage.

• 2:06:42Patrick Bet-David?

  It's an unbelievable book that every young man and woman should, by the way, the whole book is literally just 101 questions. There's nothing in a book. It's a question, page, question, page, question, page.

• 2:06:54Speaker 02

  I wish I had one for business and I could have read it before I got in the business with Carl Ventures.

• 2:06:57Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, you know what? That's actually, Rob, can you text me that idea? It's actually very good to say 101 questions to ask before you get into business with someone. I would actually entertain writing a book like that.

• 2:07:08Speaker 02

  I would, I would read it.

• 2:07:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, can you put, can you text me for that? I think that would be something that we ought to consider because a lot of people think about it that way. But if you go through, guy messaging me says, hey, I'm thinking about going through with this partnership and we're gonna do it this way. And if after a year we do this, we're gonna merge the two companies together. I'm like, dude, I got 20 questions for you. What's gonna happen with this? What if the other person stops working? What's the arrangement to buy back? How are you gonna evaluate the company to buy it back? If the person says no, they don't want to buy it back. Does it trigger something for you to be able to sell it to this? Do they have to go out? Every one of these things, if I don't do it upfront, if you don't do it upfront, we're a little bit guilty in.

• 2:07:45Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, you know what, my, my wife took everything I had. Really? Yeah. And you were worth 50 million before you got married?

• 2:07:52Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:07:53Patrick Bet-David?

  And you didn't put an upshot agreement?

• 2:07:54Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:07:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You deserve it.

• 2:07:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, I, you know, I do bear a lot of that responsibility myself, you know? Looking back, I was so caught up in like, in, in the dream and, and, and there was a fear that we didn't know how to scale the business. There was the hope that we could build this into something massive.

• 2:08:12Patrick Bet-David?

  But you were the brand.

• 2:08:13Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:08:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I thought of you as the brand. So for me, you're the Wozniak.

• 2:08:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You're the product.

• 2:08:19Speaker 02

  I have absolutely nothing to do with that.

• 2:08:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Jobs without Wozniak, Jobs without Wozniak doesn't have Macintosh, doesn't have Apple, doesn't have the product. You know, we, the consumers, watched you for, you know, here's what he's talking about. Very interesting guy. I'm gonna try that. Very interesting. I'm gonna try this. Wow, really Dana? I'm gonna try this. Wow, I never thought about it. I'm gonna try this, right? So that's the part when a businessman, it's, it's, it's.

• 2:08:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:44Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, it's the, the saying goes, when a man with experience meets a man with money. The man with the money, let's just say the man with experience meets a man with money slash idea. Okay? The man with the money idea leaves with the experience. The man with the experience leaves with the money and the idea. Did you get it? So that's kind of how this works out. The guy with experience knows because he's been through this a million times. The guy with experience, the idea or the money is like, I'm just so excited to do something like this.

• 2:09:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Purely coming from an enthusiasm place. It's innocent. It's beautiful. It's, it's a.

• 2:09:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:20Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, so, but if those two can find a way to make it work.

• 2:09:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, when we worked together, it was amazing.

• 2:09:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:27Speaker 02

  Um, and, you know, we both had the same mission. We wanted to help the masses. We wanted it to be affordable. We wanted it to be scalable and it was scaling and it was, but then the podcast, you know, the Ultimate Human podcast became so popular, um, they just constantly cease and desist. And, um, you know, they were upset I was talking about hydrogen water, talking about amino acids. And I was like, guys, the only way to get to optimal health is not just our supplements or just our red bed or just our gene test. We have to be authentic when we deliver this information to people. I mean, if you go back and listen to this podcast, probably 85% of what I said is not going to cost people much of anything. And if it does, you're not even buying it from me. And.

• 2:10:08Speaker 02

  I believe that that's the way the authenticity of the message makes makes an impact because you can educate people. But if you don't inspire them to make some kind of change, you really haven't done much of anything. And and it's, you know, it's really sad because it was working. And I think just the incessant level of greed. And then, you know what, once this lawsuit became public, we we opened this hotline for people to call. And it's just absolutely ringing off the hook. I mean, our lawyers are deluged with people have the exact same experience as my wife and I. I mean, dozens and dozens and dozens of businesses, families, relationships ruined because they believed it was being told them from the stage.

• 2:10:48Speaker 02

  But Cardinal Ventures in in these intoxicating environments, they sign these agreements and then they got absolutely crushed. It's a shame.

• 2:10:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, something tells me you're gonna do fine and something tells me they're gonna do fine. I think sometimes.

• 2:11:03Speaker 02

  I hope so. I mean, I really hope that the company succeeds.

• 2:11:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I think you you I think you're gonna do fine. I think for you to be out there talking, there's a market that wants to hear what you have to say. There's a big market for like, you know, there's a guy named Dr. Mike. I don't know if you know who this guy is on on YouTube. There's a Dr. Mike guy that has, you know, 30 million subscribers and during COVID, this guy was the only guy that would interview Fauci. Fauci wouldn't go on any YouTube channel except for this guy, Dr. Mike. One day, eventually he agrees to do a interview with me and another lady that I'm having on. He says, yeah, for sure. Absolutely. Let's do it. I'll debate anybody. And then he avoids it. I'm a good looking young guy. YouTube's putting them all over the place, very good communicator.

• 2:11:49Patrick Bet-David?

  He made a video about he reacts to everybody. He's got a lot. He's he's he gets eyeballs, right? But you know what happens? The moment he thought of himself above and beyond everyone, and he no longer wanted to sit down across the table from others. And the only place Fauci trusted to go to was suing. We were supposed to trust the science and God knows how many other things that Fauci said ended up being inaccurate that they had to put a pardon on the guy. And to go through it, the American people lost a lot of credibility for guys like this.

• 2:12:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:12:18Patrick Bet-David?

  And some of the credibility came for the guys like you that's just questioning things.

• 2:12:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:22Patrick Bet-David?

  You're not a doctor. You're not. You're just like, look, I'm not at this. I'm not at that. Talk to your doctor, talk to your cardiologist. We went through Dana White and Dana White had to do this. And you know, the, you know, regulations and things you have to deal with. But I think the market is. Is is kind of going through this pendulum back and forth. Dude, who do I go through like, what do I do? These guys are asking some interesting questions that's making me think about. But this guy's got the PhD and the degrees. Do I go through it? These guys lost a lot of credibility.

• 2:12:51Speaker 02

  Oh, they lost a ton of credibility.

• 2:12:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, my God, they lost a lot of credibility.

• 2:12:54Speaker 02

  I mean, this is what the whole Maha movement is about. It's about getting the corruption out of our nutritional research and our food supply and our and our medical system. I mean, when you when you start to look at the statistics that, you know, going on in in the United States, you know, being the biggest spender in healthcare worldwide. We spend four and a half trillion dollars a year on healthcare. We only lead the world in in six things. Infant mortality, maternal mortality, morbid obesity, type two diabetes, multiple chronic disease and a single biome.

• 2:13:22Speaker 02

  And you think, wow, we spend four and a half trillion dollars a year and we lead the world in all those things. Seventy seven percent of our our military aged men and women cannot enter military service because of poor health. From the Department of Defense statistics, you know, thirteen percent of teens are suffering from fatty liver disease. Thirty percent of them are morbidly obese. You know, the the question is, what is causing all this parabolic rise in autism? Parabolic rises in attention deficit disorder, parabolic rises in, you know, rates of depression, polycystic variant syndrome. All of these mental illnesses and chronic diseases on the skyrocketing and you and you look at the corruption in our in our in our food supply and our nutritional research.

• 2:14:05Speaker 02

  You know, the majority of our public policy research being funded by private enterprise, which is, you know, why you get a food pyramid that says that Lucky Charms is more nutritious than grass fed steak. That's how you get a food pyramid like that. And and I think, you know, the Maha movement is about making changes to the poison that's in our food supply, not eliminating people's choices. I don't think anybody wants to talk about, well, you can't smoke, can't drink, can't vape, can't drink soda. You know, we're going to close down McDonald's. That's not what it's about. It's about saying, why are we subsidizing the industries that are poisoning us the most?

• 2:14:44Speaker 02

  You know, why do we actually subsidize grain, wheat, soy, corn? They're genetically modified crops that are sprayed with forever chemicals like glyphosate that enter our bodies and show up in our bloodstreams and wreak havoc on our cellular biology. And, you know, our food stores make it so expensive to have organic or locally grown foods and so inexpensive for the average person to get to these highly processed, poisonous, you know, grains and other foods. The majority of our diet, especially in teenagers, is highly processed foods, and it's just wrecking our metabolism.

• 2:15:25Speaker 02

  And, you know, I'm really excited, you know, I'm not an official, I have no government role, I'm not officially on the Maha Committee, I don't have a position in the government. But with everything that I can do, with the entire power of my platform and all of my peers, we are standing behind Bobby Kennedy and this movement in such a unified way because the possibility that we could affect public policy and make real change. I mean, I'll go on as many podcasts and stage talks and whatnot as I can, try to get the information out because I truly believe it doesn't belong to me. I believe it belongs to humanity, it just sort of, you know, God lets it flow through me. But the possibility to affect public policy and get some of these poisons out of our

• 2:16:09Speaker 02

  food supply and actually put vaccines through rigorous clinical trials like we do, other pharmaceuticals and other forms of FDA-approved devices and compounds, and address just the straight corruption in our nutritional research and in our Food and Drug Administration and our Centers for Disease Control so that we have real transparent data coming from real research that's in the best interest of true public policy, not the best interest of private enterprise, because we seem to have privatized the profits and socialized the expense. And I don't think any American is on board for the, you know, the highest rates of childhood cancer in recorded history and, and, you know, the rapidly declining rates of, you know, sperm counts and infertility and miscarriages. I mean, almost makes you

• 2:16:54Speaker 02

  feel like it's done on purpose if you're not, you know.

• 2:16:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, trust me, that's what a lot of people think. So that's why.

• 2:17:00Speaker 02

  Sound like conspiracy theorists, but.

• 2:17:02Patrick Bet-David?

  But again, why, why did Bobby gain enough credibility as a Democrat independent than, than for Trump to bring him in? And he's not even a doc. Why are some of these guys that are not doc? Why did doctors like Fauci lose credibility, yet people like Bobby Kennedy, who are not doctors, gain credibility? We, you know, people feel like they were manipulated. I'm just excited to see what's going on next. And I'm happy for what you're doing.

• 2:17:28Speaker 02

  Thanks, man.

• 2:17:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Gary, I appreciate you for coming out. I will tell you, for me, I'm gonna go 30 days. So whatever this is, you know, whatever you got here, I'm gonna.

• 2:17:36Speaker 02

  I'm gonna send you a bunch so you can go full 30 days.

• 2:17:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna go full 30 days and experience it for myself and see where that goes. And at the same time, excited to see what you do next. And I do know a lot of guys like Paul Saladino. One of the things that worked out very good for Paul, a lot of people have questions. Paul's on Manect, you know, I know Tony spoke to you about that as well on the Manect side.

• 2:17:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd love to be on there.

• 2:17:55Patrick Bet-David?

  I think a lot of people got questions for you. A lot of people got questions, especially the topics that we talked about here. Just texted my wife. I said, I don't normally say this because my wife's got a million and one things to do. I said, you have to watch his podcast.

• 2:18:06Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 2:18:07Patrick Bet-David?

  I literally just texted and she says, what do you guys talk about? I said, that, that, that, that, that. She said, I'm gonna watch his podcast. So anyways, brother, appreciate you for coming out. Really, really enjoyed it. Thank you.

• 2:18:16Speaker 02

  I appreciate you so much.

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