Eagles Endgame, Commanders Disaster, Travis in Cleveland! & Who’s Season is Over w/ Mike Tomlin | Ep 206

92%ers, welcome to another episode of New Heights brought to you by Allstate! Today we are joined by Mike Tomlin! First, get Outta the House with Travis in Cleveland and Jason laying the hit stick while playing rugby over in London; we try to make sense of the wild ending of the Eagles/Jags game, and debate the legality of pig racing in Missouri. Finally, we are joined by Coach Mike Tomlin to break down the rest of a wild Week 5. We get into the disaster at the end of the Commanders' game, coaches taking back play-calling duties, share our real thoughts on “players only” meetings, and more! We also get into Tomlin’s incredible run with the Steelers, why he likes “combustible people", his favorite coaching stories, his unique approach to coaching, favorite Tomlinisms, and his baffling welcome to the NFL moment. For more details on our Kansas City Tailgate, visit: https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/46E1CFEB-2821-4D5B-988D-BA4A007CAA2B?ingress=0&visitId=f310b12b-4560-45f8-b01c-a088f366ada9 https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/46E1CFEB-2821-4D5B-988D-BA4A007CAA2B?ingress=0&visitId=f310b12b-4560-45f8-b01c-a088f366ada9 Shop our Collab with Stoney Clover Lane at www.kelceclubhouse.com http://www.kelceclubhouse.com Watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights every Wednesday during the NFL season and follow us on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow You can also listen to new episodes on Wondery, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. . . . Watch the full episode here: Prime:https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0JLG80EV3QTOUJWLN8KSQ3OSTL?ref_=atv_dp_share_cu_r Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Support the show: ALLSTATE: Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds:https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://allstate.com/&data=05%257C02%[email protected]%257C45f90dbee0d44ff7a39d08de3db817f5%257C88b431e7cf2a43a9bd0081441f5c2d3c%257C0%257C0%257C639016058228004681%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ==%257C0%257C%257C%257C&sdata=+RjZRr4WIXKUCd5Mz4V67QiGFN9ad/5MVueeErXApYw=&reserved=0https://Allstate.com https://allstate.com. RAISING CANES: Raising Cane’s Chicken Fingers. One Love. NISSAN: Watch Travis Hunter in Episode 3 of the limited series Tell Them a Heisman Sent You athttps://youtu.be/RRgNY4pqaf8 NIKE: The Nike Caitlin 1’s are out now. Shop on https://www.nike.com Footlocker, or Dick’s Sporting Goods PRIZEPICKS: Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NEWHEIGHTS and use code NEWHEIGHTS and get $150 if you win your first $5 lineup! ROYAL CARIBBEAN: Legend of the Seas. This is as Big as Vacation Gets. Visit https://bit.ly/4rSbQxH to learn more. PEPSI: Tailgating Deserves Pepsi. Food Deserves Pepsi. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  They say everything happens for a reason, but I suspect everything happens for a Reese's. Like this commercial break. Did you need 15 seconds away from music? Or 15 seconds to eat a Reese's? Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a Reese's.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  Looking for the brands you love? Famous Footwear has all the best. Jordan, Nike, Adidas, Birkenstock, New Balance, and more. So you can always find the shoes you and your family want at great prices. With 800 stores, your local Famous Footwear is always nearby. And famous.com is open anytime. Plus, join Famous Rewards for perks like free shipping, pick your own BOGO, and reward cash on every purchase. Some exclusions apply. Famous Footwear. Famous for a reason.

• 0:47Speaker 02

  Allegedly, the Cowboys defense had a players only meeting. As a coach, what do you think when your team is having a players only meeting?

• 0:56Speaker 03

  I think you're dead.

• 0:58Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 0:59Speaker 03

  I got enough but respect for player leadership and I embrace that and all of that stuff. But that, when you have a players only meetings, man, it doesn't feel good. I'll tell you that.

• 1:09Speaker 02

  I just always feel like it, it always is just a formality. That is like, we're gonna do the players only meeting because nothing else is [BLEEP] working. So let's try the players only meeting.

• 1:20Speaker 03

  If it did occur, I'd like to not hear about it. The fact that you hear about it, we had a players only meeting.

• 1:33Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. A Wondery Show brought to you by Allstate. That's right. You're in good hands with Allstate. We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce. This is my big brother, Jason Kelce out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the guards, baby. Come on, baby. Come on. We're 1-0. Got another game tonight against the Rays down there in Tampa. Man, it's fun to watch them play right now. Uh, let's get to the rest of the show though, baby. Subscribe on YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts, follow the show on all social media. Add New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. And Jason, please tell the people what we got coming up.

• 2:06Speaker 02

  90 percenters, it's a bye week for Travis Kelce. So it was bye week baseball. As you can see with the shirt on. I was also in London, just got back to the old US of A on Monday morning.

• 2:20Speaker 05

  You sound like you're from London.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  No one in the NFL can apparently manage a clock. And also, Mike Tomlin is here.

• 2:26Travis Kelce?

  Let's go.

• 2:27Speaker 02

  The old ball coach is coming in.

• 2:29Travis Kelce?

  Oh, Tomlin, let's get it, man.

• 2:31Speaker 02

  On Sunday night football and all this, he's been doing, obviously, I think everybody expected him to do well. There's not many coaches in my time that delivered better sound bites as a coach in the NFL. Mike is the man. We can't wait to talk to him today. And before we get into that, let's get into some of the new news.

• 2:49Travis Kelce?

  New news.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  New news is brought to you by Nike.

• 2:52Travis Kelce?

  Let's go. We've also teamed up with Stoney Clover.

• 2:57Speaker 02

  We have.

• 2:57Travis Kelce?

  On a brand new New Heights collab. How about that? Yeah, we got a clear bag that says Stoney Clover. Then we got some patches.

• 3:05Travis Kelce?

  Some patches going around.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  The clear bag for the stadium bag, little fanny pack?

• 3:10Travis Kelce?

  Stadium, stadium bag. Ooh, you got a fanny pack? I just got this little, I think this is like a, like a little toiletry bag or something.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was like something that you would put, it's like an easy carry, I guess.

• 3:21Travis Kelce?

  Jason's always in on a fanny pack now.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  I just feel like it's super convenient, especially if you're gonna be out and about walking.

• 3:26Travis Kelce?

  Would you want a clear fanny pack though?

• 3:29Speaker 02

  I would never do a clear bag just walking around. But because stadiums make you do it, because of the optics of safety.

• 3:39Speaker 02

  I think that, then yeah, I would, because I'm a big fan of fanny packs. I just feel like it's a convenient way to carry things.

• 3:46Travis Kelce?

  It just fits right under the guts. So perfect.

• 3:49Speaker 02

  Fits right under the gut. There's no issues with my shoulder. It's right on the hips, so there's no strain in your back. It's easy to, it's easy to access. Boop, boop.

• 3:59Travis Kelce?

  Boop, boop.

• 4:00Speaker 02

  And I mean, I just, it's way more manly than a purse.

• 4:04Travis Kelce?

  Who is the first? What about a merce?

• 4:08Speaker 02

  Well, that's different.

• 4:09Travis Kelce?

  Who made the first fanny pack?

• 4:11Speaker 02

  It was actually Fanny, Fanny McJohnson.

• 4:14Travis Kelce?

  Fanny McJohnson?

• 4:15Speaker 02

  Fanny McJohnson, the old, okay.

• 4:16Travis Kelce?

  The old, I'm leading with that from now on.

• 4:19Speaker 02

  The, there was a fanny pack on the Oatsie the Iceman. A 5,300 year old mummified corpse discovered in the Alps in 1991. Who wore a calfskin pouch tied with a leather belt, a fanny pack.

• 4:33Travis Kelce?

  And a fucking leather one too. How about it, man? There's a fancy brother right there up there in the Alps. They have frozen mummies?

• 4:40Speaker 02

  Well, mummified just means you haven't decayed, right? So like your body is still intact. Now, the mummification process in Egypt was like they would do all this embalming and wrapping you in this thing so that you wouldn't decay. But in the Nordic territories or up where there's a lot of fucking ice, you don't need to do any process. You just freeze.

• 5:01Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, you just stick them in the.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  You're mummified that way.

• 5:04Travis Kelce?

  Thank you for the history lesson, Jason.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  I'm kinda making that all up. That's the way I interpret it.

• 5:10Travis Kelce?

  92%. Let's go.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  It's close enough. It's 92% close for sure.

• 5:16Speaker 02

  We went from 5,600 years, is that what it said? 5,600 years ago with an Iceman in the Oatsie region?

• 5:23Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 5:24Speaker 02

  5,300 years, and now we have gotten to Stoney Clover lanes. Clear, plastic pouch with gold.

• 5:33Travis Kelce?

  Look at this now. Look at this now.

• 5:35Speaker 02

  Zippers.

• 5:36Travis Kelce?

  Ooh. Shop Stoney Clover Lane at the Kelsey Clubhouse now before the style sells out.

• 5:44Speaker 02

  Last reminder, the New Heights Tailgate presented by Nike is back in the Kansas City area this weekend. On Sunday, October 18th. Will be at Arrowhead Stadium in Lot M. The tailgate is free for all game day ticket holders. Gates open from 11 a.m. to 3 p.m., giving the 92 percenters plenty of time to enjoy free food, exclusive merch, games, challenges, live DJ, a photo wall, an exclusive look at Jake looking at his phone, and so much more before kickoff. For additional info on past tailgates and exclusive details on what's happening on October 18th, check out Out of the House page on the Kelsey Clubhouse. That's it for new news brought to you by Nike. What else should we do at the tailgate? Last year at the Eagles tailgate, we did belly bucking. What's something we could do?

• 6:24Travis Kelce?

  Ooh. I don't, I don't know. I think you'd find, you'd find some, some good belly buckers out here in Kansas City. You know what? It's always funny is the fucking mechanical bulls, man. If you can get some mechanical bulls.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  That'd be great. That'd also be a liability that I don't think New Heights is willing to take on.

• 6:42Travis Kelce?

  No, there's no liability with that. They have them at carnivals and the PBR. There's a bar downtown that has it. They have them everywhere.

• 6:51Speaker 02

  What do you think of, um, frog races? Put jerseys on frogs and have them race and everybody can bet on them as we're doing it. It's probably illegal.

• 7:00Travis Kelce?

  Pig race might be, that might be a banger.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  We can paint, uh, the offensive line numbers on it. Creed Humphrey.

• 7:10Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, so I mean, it's a big bowl right there now. All right now. Might have to be the biggest one, baby. All right now. Have everybody like punch a ticket, not necessarily bet on it, but you could win some free merch if you.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  I mean, let's just bet on it. Let's just bet on it. I think that's illegal. That's why.

• 7:25Travis Kelce?

  That's what, that's 100.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  A certified gaming commission type deal?

• 7:28Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, no, but I think you can, I think you can, I think you can do the whole like punch a ticket and you could win prizes. Like you don't have to bet on them. You could win prizes.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  If your, if your frog wins, you get put into a raffle.

• 7:41Travis Kelce?

  There you go.

• 7:42Speaker 02

  Now we're talking.

• 7:43Travis Kelce?

  There you go. Still might be gaming committee. I think this is very illegal, but.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  Can we, can we get assistance on this? Brandon, is any of this legal?

• 7:54Travis Kelce?

  Just immediately. You've been listening, right?

• 7:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm looking up the pig racing in Missouri. Google says, no, you cannot legally gamble on pig racing in Missouri. So we gotta take this across state lines, maybe.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't think, the racing isn't the issue. It's the gambling that's the issue, Brandon. Okay, you know what? I'll take over this AI section for now. If I knew you were just gonna be.

• 8:19Speaker 05

  You know, I got, I got other shit to do today. I don't need this. I don't, yeah, no, go ahead. You go ahead. You go ahead and have fun today. I got shit.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  No, Brandon, come back. Come back. Were to race frogs.

• 8:33Travis Kelce?

  Jason, say you're sorry.

• 8:35Speaker 02

  AI's taking their time on this one.

• 8:44Speaker 05

  Oh, is it harder than it looks, Mason?

• 8:47Travis Kelce?

  He's back, he's back, he's back, he's back, he's back.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  It's not harder for me, it's not harder for me.

• 8:52Speaker 05

  I'm doing Halloween decorations now.

• 8:53Speaker 02

  It's not harder for me. Go ahead, go ahead. It's not even harder for me. It's just harder for AI.

• 9:01Travis Kelce?

  AI.

• 9:02Speaker 05

  Look at this guy. His face lights up.

• 9:04Travis Kelce?

  That's epic.

• 9:04Speaker 05

  Pretty cool.

• 9:05Travis Kelce?

  Oh, is that a, is that a Costco pull?

• 9:09Speaker 05

  No, it's Home Depot or Lowe's.

• 9:13Travis Kelce?

  What?

• 9:14Speaker 05

  I'm gonna find a place from the front porch right now, Jason. Have fun.

• 9:17Speaker 02

  All right. Good luck.

• 9:20Travis Kelce?

  Sweet.

• 9:22Travis Kelce?

  During that, I just pulled a Rafael Palmeiro. It's pretty legit. Sweet. Look at that fucking stash, dude.

• 9:27Speaker 02

  Should they win baseball? Should they win cards? Should we buy a bunch of boxes of cards?

• 9:32Travis Kelce?

  I mean, we don't have to buy them. I got them.

• 9:35Travis Kelce?

  We, I just go.

• 9:35Speaker 02

  Can I borrow some from the house? I'll just take them to the. Well, what's better, pig racing or frog racing? Brandon, can you show us some videos of pig races and frog races?

• 9:46Travis Kelce?

  Swifty swine racing and swimming pig. Golly, that's hilarious.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  I mean, there's so many, there's Swifty, there's swine racing. We get, they're hogs. So like, offensive linemen are commonly referred to as hogs.

• 9:59Travis Kelce?

  Uh huh.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  I think this is a no brainer.

• 10:02Travis Kelce?

  This is pretty good.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  We gotta get some, some pig racing.

• 10:04Travis Kelce?

  We got it. We got a week to go. I didn't even know pigs could swim.

• 10:09Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. Watch this. Watch this thing. Dump in, jump in. It cocks itself loads.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  Oh my God.

• 10:18Travis Kelce?

  That thing was slapping.

• 10:20Speaker 02

  Dude, we gotta get a longer pool. Brandon, what are the chances we can get pig racing at the tailgate this weekend?

• 10:25Speaker 05

  If you're in the Kansas City area and you're a Chiefs fan and you have pigs, fucking figure it out. Call me. I'll just figure it out.

• 10:32Speaker 02

  Whoever brings in the fastest pig, do they win a prize as well?

• 10:35Travis Kelce?

  They're gonna be juicing these pigs up.

• 10:38Speaker 05

  I'm putting Caitlin Clark's shoes on a pig.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  Do they make CC ones for toddlers? Cause I think that would be about the size.

• 10:43Speaker 05

  Okay, I'm talking directly to Caitlin Clark. I know you watch.

• 10:46Travis Kelce?

  CC.

• 10:47Speaker 05

  Send us the pig shoes. Send us shoes for a pig.

• 10:50Travis Kelce?

  I was gonna look out front. You got it. You hang that thing up yet?

• 10:54Speaker 05

  I got a swinging guy I gotta figure out. I got a lot of shit going on. Don't, Halloween is my favorite time of year. Awesome. Stressed out.

• 11:01Speaker 02

  We have talked about this. You like Halloween more than Christmas.

• 11:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:04Speaker 02

  What's the best Halloween song? What's the best Halloween song?

• 11:07Speaker 05

  I mean, Thriller, Monster Mash.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  Yep, those are too obvious.

• 11:11Speaker 05

  I'm trying to think of some obscure shit.

• 11:14Speaker 02

  I love Monster Mash.

• 11:15Speaker 05

  I know, but it's just like over. I mean, you know what it is? Actually, it's from 30 Rock. It's Werewolf Bar Mitzvah.

• 11:20Speaker 02

  I don't remember.

• 11:22Speaker 05

  The Tracy Jordan novelty song. It's Werewolf Bar Mitzvah. That's the answer.

• 11:26Speaker 02

  Has Taylor ever made a Halloween song? Has she ever ventured into the scary territory, Travis?

• 11:31Travis Kelce?

  I don't believe so, Jason.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  Folklore was kind of like her, kind of in the woods.

• 11:37Speaker 05

  Very fall coded.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  Oh, Ghostbusters.

• 11:40Speaker 05

  Oh, dude, I was watching that last night.

• 11:43Travis Kelce?

  Ghostbusters.

• 11:46Speaker 02

  Have you ever listened to the song? Like, actually listened to it as an adult?

• 11:50Travis Kelce?

  No.

• 11:50Speaker 05

  Sure. It's good.

• 11:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, but do you know the innuendos that are riddled throughout it?

• 11:55Speaker 05

  No, go ahead.

• 11:56Travis Kelce?

  No.

• 11:58Speaker 05

  Does bustin' make you feel good, Jason?

• 12:00Speaker 02

  That's kind of what I'm talking about.

• 12:01Speaker 05

  Oh, you think that slid over my head? You don't think I caught that?

• 12:03Speaker 02

  It slid over my head as a kid. I didn't know what he was fucking talking about.

• 12:06Speaker 05

  It was a chuck.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  Now I do. Well, that's what I'm saying.

• 12:09Speaker 05

  Mom, I love bustin'. They're like, yeah, all right.

• 12:12Speaker 02

  Bustin' makes me feel good.

• 12:15Travis Kelce?

  No way it says that.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  It's my favorite part of the song. Dude, it's my favorite part of the song.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  All right. Out of the house is brought to you by Nissan.

• 12:38Speaker 02

  Travis was back in Cleveland. Chasing the ADL, ALDS for game five. Trav, what was October baseball like up in Cleveland, Ohio?

• 12:48Travis Kelce?

  Man, it was absolutely electric. As it always is, man. Cleveland always shows up for the guards, man. Ever since the nineties, when we were kids, man, Cleveland's always been a baseball town, man.

• 13:00Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 13:00Travis Kelce?

  It's just been, they've always desired playoff October baseball and I remember watching a lot of them on TV when I was younger. Finally got to get to one with dad back when 2016, I believe, when the last time we were in the World Series. And sure enough, man, this, this last one, this game five of the ALDS was so electric. Everybody was just sitting there waiting for, for the guards to, you know, find a way to go up. And sure enough, Jose Ramirez comes up big, takes a ball from what feels like his ankles and throws it over the wall. And man, it was, it was, it was just, it was electric, man. The whole stadium felt like it was rattling with excitement.

• 13:43Travis Kelce?

  And in our pitching just took, took care of them from there.

• 13:47Speaker 02

  Well, we got a video of, it looks like you celebrating Jose Ramirez's homerun. Let's take a look at this.

• 14:02Travis Kelce?

  It's, oh my gosh, it's me up in the owner's suite with the Blitzer family.

• 14:08Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 14:10Travis Kelce?

  With my guy Robbie Little Richa and, and Rhodes McKee. Obviously you see Patty Bake sneaking the, sneaking the frame there on the right.

• 14:20Travis Kelce?

  The whole, the Dolans are up slapping hands and giving high fives. My guy David Blitzer, who gave me the opportunity, comes down, gave me a big old fucking, big old fucking high five and a hug, man. It's just, it was, it was so much fun, man. So much fun. It's, I can't tell you how much I'm, I miss just being around my friends and family from Cleveland and being able to do this and cheer on the guards in October was absolutely electric, man.

• 14:45Speaker 02

  Anything else you want to talk about from your time in Cleveland?

• 14:48Travis Kelce?

  No, baby. We got the, the second game tonight of the ALCS. And, and I'm pumped to see the guards get after it. Parker Messick has been pitching amazing all year. And sure enough, he's gonna have quite a test against these Rays, man. I know they're gonna come out hungry. So go Guards, baby. Yeah, baby. Jason playing rugby in London.

• 15:09Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 15:09Travis Kelce?

  How about this, man? Dude, do you remember having the rugby ball laying around the house growing up?

• 15:14Speaker 02

  I do. I remember even going to, I remember going to a field to go watch dad or dad's teammates play. I don't know if he was done or if he was still there.

• 15:23Travis Kelce?

  I would assume he was probably done by the time.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  I never, don't remember him playing at all. You know what I mean? I do remember messing around with the rugby ball a little bit. I do remember, you know, him teaching us a little bit about it. But certainly not enough to go out and play a game. So I got some advice out in the West Coast. I went to visit Alona Mar, friend of ours, especially a friend of Kylie and I's. And our time over in Paris at the Olympics as well as since then, she came to the shore this year to support Eagles Autism Foundation.

• 15:53Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:53Speaker 02

  So she gave me an introduction of basic rules, technique fundamentals, then went over to London and met with Joe Marler, a legendary prop for the English national team.

• 16:05Travis Kelce?

  We gotta show a picture of this fucking hoss.

• 16:07Speaker 02

  Picture doesn't do it justice either, man. He is a big son of a bitch. He is a manly fucking dude.

• 16:14Travis Kelce?

  Can you give us a picture of this guy? Look at this dude. Look at this dude. Zero neck. Zero.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 16:25Travis Kelce?

  Well, you would just think that guy could, I mean, put him at fucking.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  Just all quads and fucking traps. All quads, traps and bad.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  He asked me what position you play in the NFL or football. And I said, oh, you'd probably be either a lineman or O-line or D-line. You'd be one of those two spots, but.

• 16:43Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, you're, dude, you're moving the line of scrimmage for sure.

• 16:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, Joe gave me and Bo some last minute pointers when we were over in London, right before we went out and played a little kind of practice rugby match. It was actually awesome. We got to play, feel what it was like. The old Schreetonians were the ones that allowed us to play for them. They got us set up in the kits and everything. And we played against Hackney where it was, dude, it was very hard to understand when to go into the ruck to initiate it, when not to. When I was allowed to grab the ball, I had to go through the gate. I fucked that up at one point.

• 17:20Speaker 02

  Maintaining the line and the positioning and it's more of a free flowing game. So like, you're kind of just finding a spot to move in. And it was, it was challenging to say the least.

• 17:32Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 17:32Speaker 02

  I got tired very quickly and was absolutely useless.

• 17:38Speaker 02

  But it was a complete blast and I think the sport itself.

• 17:44Speaker 02

  You really understand why it's such a tight knit group? If that makes sense, like when you think about rugby, obviously the sport itself, but you also think about like the guys hanging out afterwards, like that's why dad played, right? He played with a bunch of his friends and they would go to the pub afterwards and they drink a bunch of beer together. And they just hang out and they became really close. And when you're playing the sport, it becomes really apparent how much you're all in this together. Like you all have to maintain the line and you pick up in for each other and like, I make a tackle and it's another guy's job to get in there and try and get through the gate to go get the ball. And it's another guy's job in the opposing team to, once his player gets tackled, to clear the ruck so that somebody else could pick up the ball.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  And it's a very free flowing, amorphic kind of game where everybody's really working together in a very cohesive way. And you're reliant on the guys next to you. You have the big guys, your forwards that are required to make sure you're holding that line and advancing it forward. You have your fast guys on the outside where you're trying to get the ball to, to break on a free through a lane that they see. You know, there's, it was something that I think actually having, never having played the sport, playing it, there's an amount of respect even further after playing the game. And how tough it was physically, conditioning wise, how hard it was to really know how to play it and where to fit in.

• 19:13Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 19:13Speaker 02

  It was a blast, man. I could not say enough good things about it. And, um, you know, it's everything that I kind of, uh, was hoping to get out of it and more. So, yeah.

• 19:24Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah, man. Well, we got some playing footage, big guy. And, uh, I think, uh, you might've already gone viral for laying the fucking head stick on somebody.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  Dude, this was early before I got tired. This was like, I think he wanted to test me. He wanted to see if I could, what I was gonna do.

• 19:43Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Which is the respect.

• 19:46Speaker 02

  Bro, the moment I hit him, you'll hear it. He starts like slapping me. He said, whoa, big hit there, fella. Yeah, we like that here, laddie. And I was like, what the fuck?

• 19:56Travis Kelce?

  These dudes are batshit crazy. I love it.

• 19:59Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 19:59Travis Kelce?

  Fuck, yeah. Oh.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  Watch him slap me on the top of my head afterwards. If they, oh, you don't see it, but no, he was, he was all over it. He was loving it. So it was a blast.

• 20:11Travis Kelce?

  This is good shit.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  I also got stiff armed bad. I was going in for a tackle. Boom, right to the ground. And when we were shaking hands afterwards, he was like, I got you on the one.

• 20:24Travis Kelce?

  That's good shit. Oh, man, that's awesome, dude. I love that you got out there, man. And I'm not gonna lie, dude, you, you look like you fit right in with the beard and the fucking, the shorts and to look at the quads still firing. Absolutely electric. I'm glad you got out there. How about it, man? Hopping over the pond to play some fucking rugby with the boys, man. That's absolutely electric. Did you hit the pub afterwards?

• 20:48Speaker 02

  Of course, of course. Hit the pub afterwards. Had to sing our, uh, our debutant songs for our, uh, rookie songs, just like in the NFL. Guys will go up and sing. They made me and Bo get up in front of everybody and sing at the pub and.

• 21:01Travis Kelce?

  What, what'd you go with?

• 21:03Speaker 02

  What do you think I went with?

• 21:04Travis Kelce?

  We gotta get another one.

• 21:06Speaker 02

  I know, I'm trying. I wanted to have another one.

• 21:08Travis Kelce?

  I don't think you're trying. I think you're.

• 21:10Speaker 02

  I wanted to say another one. I just don't know. Here's the problem. I don't know enough songs off the rip that can do all of the lyrics that are good to sing in a pub. You know what I mean?

• 21:21Travis Kelce?

  Sounds like you just gotta go with Ghostbusters.

• 21:28Travis Kelce?

  You got that. You got that part down.

• 21:31Speaker 02

  I ain't afraid of no ghosts.

• 21:35Travis Kelce?

  Dude, this is so good.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  Is he talking about ghosts? I don't know if he's talking about ghosts.

• 21:49Speaker 02

  I feel like he had a whole another song written. And like, hey, can you write this song about Ghostbusters? It's like, oh, man, I don't want to write a whole new song. All right, let's just change a couple of these words to Ghostbusters and ghosts.

• 21:59Travis Kelce?

  Dude, it's so funny. All right. Shout out to everybody playing rugby with Jason over there. Once again, out of the house, brought to you by Nissan.

• 22:09Speaker 02

  Thank you to our sponsor, Allstate.

• 22:11Travis Kelce?

  Checking Allstate first could save you hundreds on car insurance. Not checking the forecast before wearing jeans to an outdoor barbecue. That's a rookie move. That's not a fashion choice. That's a personal sauna with a belt. Yeah, checking first is a good plan. So check Allstate first for an auto quote. It could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate.

• 22:31Speaker 02

  Potential savings vary, subject to terms, conditions and availability. Allstate North American Insurance Company and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois.

• 22:39Travis Kelce?

  Thank you to our partner, Raising Canes.

• 22:43Speaker 02

  Big shout out to Raising Canes. We've been tight with Todd Graves and the Raising Canes crew for a minute now.

• 22:48Travis Kelce?

  Yes, we have. Raising Canes sponsored Titan University for the third time this year. And, uh, Todd got up, gave us one of his motivational speeches as he's a very motivational man and had the whole crowd fired up.

• 23:01Speaker 02

  The food tells you everything you need to know about what Todd's built. So we've got nothing but love for Raising Canes.

• 23:07Travis Kelce?

  The chicken fingers are hand battered, cooked to order and hot and fresh every single time.

• 23:13Speaker 02

  The cane sauce, the secret recipe made fresh every morning. Pair that with any crinkle cut fries and Texas toast and it's a wrap.

• 23:22Travis Kelce?

  God, you ain't lying. The lemonade is always freshly squeezed and after a long day, you know, that's the move. Todd doesn't cut corners and you can taste it.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  Hmm. Feeding your crew, tailgate packs come with 25, 50, or even 100 chicken fingers plus sauce, lemonade and tea.

• 23:41Travis Kelce?

  Go to raisingcanes.com to order.

• 23:44Speaker 02

  Raising Cane's Chicken Fingers, one love.

• 23:48Travis Kelce?

  Thank you to our partner Nissan and their new limited series. Tell them a Heisman sent you.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  All right. The Heisman series is heating up. Episode three of Tell Them A Heisman Sent You just dropped and Travis Hunter is on the set of a Nissan Frontier commercial, trying to become the best Nissan spokesperson.

• 24:08Travis Kelce?

  I'm always here to support a Travis and that's total chaos. He's throwing away the script, befriending a fake outdoorsy guy, handing out free buffaloes. What? And basically giving the director a full panic attack.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  Nice. Okay. Well, gotta respect the improvising.

• 24:25Travis Kelce?

  That's why the series is so great. You never know what's gonna happen next.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  It's must watch.

• 24:31Travis Kelce?

  So don't miss Travis Hunter and the Nissan Frontier in episode three of the limited series. Tell them a Heisman sent you out now on Nissan's USA's YouTube channel.

• 24:44Travis Kelce?

  All right, let's get to some bold topics. This is brought to you by Pepsi. Ha, ha, yo Pepsi cola. Gotta love it, baby. Well, since Chiefs are on a bye week, let's get right into London. Eagles 17, Jaguars 19, a absolute crazy finish. Um, Jason, uh, just, uh, your thoughts on the game? Let's just get into that.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  Okay. Well, I guess thoughts of the game, defense played outstanding again. Uh, they put him in a position to win despite the offense's struggles, especially in the second half, uh, which has been a returning theme for the Eagles. Uh, I did think the offense was much better on third down this week. Still some areas of improvement on some of the blitzes and some of the looks, but I thought Jalen looked a lot more comfortable assigning protections and throwing the ball and getting ready, rid of it. At one point in the first half, I think he was, he had picked up like a third and eight, a third and 10, a third and 10. Like it felt like they were better in that category than they've been the previous two weeks, which is good. And listen, I mean, you never want to make excuses.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  They're playing with literally their fourth string center. Their third string center is now playing left guard. Their second string center, uh, is hurt and their first string center is now playing for the Baltimore Ravens and Cam Jergens. So, you know, they're playing with a rookie right tackle, top two running backs are out, their top receivers out. Uh, the fact that this was a game, I think from Philadelphia was.

• 26:16Travis Kelce?

  The Jags are no slouches.

• 26:17Speaker 02

  No, that's the other thing. Jacksonville is a very good team. I like Jacksonville a lot despite what their fans may think after that broadcast. Huge fan of that Jacksonville team.

• 26:26Travis Kelce?

  Listen, man, that defensive front, Trevor Lawrence is a fucking dog. They got some ball players. Yeah. And, and yeah. I mean, you look at some of the struggles that, that the Bucks have been having over the years. Liam Cohen, how much success he's been having since he left there.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  Parker Washington, Bajal Tooten, they, they have a great squad there. And I think like, no, I always go in with the Eagles like, oh, okay, hoping they win. I was not confident going into that one. I thought the defense, maybe they can play well, which they did. Uh, but I think overall, obviously, you know, we had a chance to win the game and some of the last minute stuff. Unfortunately to the Eagles not winning. Uh, Jacksonville played a heck of a game and especially right down at the end of it. Um, but the O line, even though they weren't able to really run the ball very well. Listen, you're playing with all those back. I thought Willie Lampkin did a great job.

• 27:15Travis Kelce?

  Dude, I was just gonna say, it is so fucking fun watching Willie Lampkin play football, man. Seeing a guy of that size be able to roll a fucking big fatty out of the fucking hole, man. It is some, it's electric now, man.

• 27:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:28Travis Kelce?

  It's electric.

• 27:29Speaker 02

  And he had some plays, you know, just like Jake Majors, the, the starting center.

• 27:33Travis Kelce?

  Football, man. Come on, man.

• 27:35Speaker 02

  I thought those guys battled, man. I thought they played hard. Um, I thought Jalen again, you know, obviously didn't have a great second half. None of the offense did, but when it mattered most, he got the ball down there and they were in a position to win the game. So that's one thing that Jalen does really well is he moves the ball at the end of it to put his team in a chance to win the game.

• 27:54Travis Kelce?

  He does do a great job of managing into the games, but that is where, uh, the controversy at least comes up. Uh, at the end of this one, uh, Eagles kick, uh, go ahead, field goal to go up 17, 16. Um, but the Jags have eight seconds left. You made a great point on the actual call after the entire

• 28:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:15Travis Kelce?

  Game and everything about the timeout.

• 28:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. So initially, and I, I have not talked to anybody with the Eagles. I really do think that they were talking about, they were thinking about that Baltimore Dallas game. Because it was the exact same situation.

• 28:29Travis Kelce?

  Same scenario.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  Where, you know, Dallas is, kicks the go ahead or kicks the tie.

• 28:35Travis Kelce?

  Seconds, the other one is nine seconds or yeah.

• 28:37Speaker 02

  I thought they were both eight, maybe it was eight, nine, but I think it was eight and eight. And it's like the exact same scenario. And in that scenario with Baltimore, Dallas, they were able to throw the ball, call a timeout and then kick the field goal to win it. So immediately I thought, okay, we don't want them to be able to, we want them to burn some of this time.

• 28:55Travis Kelce?

  We know the answer.

• 28:56Speaker 02

  We want them to burn some of this time. But what I did not look at was the fact that Jacksonville didn't have a timeout. So I do think in hindsight, kicking through the end zone and making them throw a ball out of bounds to move it a little bit closer to try a hail mary. Doubtful that they're able to throw a ball, get out of bounds and then kick a field goal.

• 29:15Travis Kelce?

  That's the other thing is like that you could still find a way, there's still a percentage. It's a very low percentage because of the style of defense you would probably play in that scenario. But there is still, yeah, you would still be, have a chance to be able to, even if you did kick it out of bounds, you have eight seconds to get the ball across the 50 and out of bounds. That is still a scenario that could happen. It is very unlikely because the defense would be in some sort of sideline prevent defense. That is, they would make sure they have somebody all up and down the sidelines. All, all the bodies up and down the sidelines to be able to stop them from stopping the clock in that situation. There's so many different scenarios where there is still possibility of chance either way, but.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  And they had also, I think the other part of it is they also allowed a kickoff return. That was a big kickoff return earlier in the game. It should have been a touchdown. It got called back. Like there had been leakage on the kickoff return team already in the game. But regardless, that one feels to me like the, it was just a crazy thing that happened there. Could it have been better if you get through the end zone? I think so, but like, it's not, that one seems to be less, especially by the people that actually know what they're talking about, like analytics people and whatnot. That one wasn't the big deal. I think the big deal is like, just give them the ball back to begin with. When Dallas Goddard caught the ball in that two minute drive, the moment they had a chance to kick a one, a 51 yard field goal to end it. I don't think that they should have been passing right away. Right? Like if you run the ball there, you end it with the field goal.

• 30:43Speaker 02

  Now they wanted to get closer. They weren't as comfortable with 51. They're like, ah, we know we're in range here, but we'd like to make it a little bit easier for Jake. So they threw it on first and second down. First down, he almost threw, I mean, it was almost a pick and then the second down one is caught by Mackay. So I think there's two coaching points here. One, you tell Mackay Lemon, when he catches that ball the next time, when you're running up to that play, okay, if you want to get it closer, I understand. You want to make it easier for Jake. But the moment he catches that ball, he's got to get down. He can't go out of bounds. Right? You gotta catch down and you're only gaining three or four yards at that point. So I don't know that it's that much to try that. But the bigger thing to me is if you're going to try and move it a little bit closer before the end of the game,

• 31:25Speaker 02

  the first play should have been a run because Jacksonville only had one timeout left. Make them burn that timeout up front. So you know where you sit for second and third down. All right, we burned the timeout. All right. Second down, let's try and get a little bit closer here. If it works, great. If it doesn't, at third down, we can run it again. And we can bleed this thing down and kick the field goal to end the game and live with that. That I think with everything in hindsight is feels like the proper way to do it. If you even try to pass.

• 31:58Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  The, the passing is just risky to me because I, there's so many negative things that can happen. Like you're already there. I get you want to move it closer. But anyways, a lot easier for me to say for my, uh, my chair in the booth and from right here.

• 32:11Travis Kelce?

  Yo, Monday morning quarterback. I hear you.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  What's frustrating just overall though, is I think that, you know, I think Nick Sirianni, for the most part with the Philadelphia Eagles has been a heck of a game manager. That's one of the strengths that he's had.

• 32:25Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  And a lot of the times his calls have been under question and.

• 32:29Travis Kelce?

  Unst amount of times.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  Well, the unst amount of times, a lot of those ones are wrong, in my opinion, by the fan base. These are ones where like, he's just had like a couple of weeks, unfortunately, where there's been like one or two times where it feels like everything's kind of piling on. And I, I think for me, it's important to realize like, for the most part, Nick has actually been really good in these scenarios and he's been a net add. And people don't remember when he goes for it on fourth down and it works out. They don't remember when he throws a slant in four minute drill and we get a first down. Like those are the ones where it's like, okay, that one worked out and immediately you don't remember. What you definitely remember are the ones where it works out negatively. Like these last couple of weeks, there's a couple of ones that I don't agree with. But for the most part, Nick's really good in this scenario, uh, throughout his tenure with the Philadelphia Eagles.

• 33:12Travis Kelce?

  He's got a good feel for it, man. He does have a good feel for it. Where do the Eagles go from here, dude?

• 33:17Speaker 02

  I know it feels like the world's falling. We almost beat the Rams, who a lot of people think are one of the best teams in the NFL, who almost just beat the Buffalo Bills, who are one of the undefeateds left in the season. They very, they very likely should have won that game. Right? And for not, for another fourth down call not going their way. They almost beat Jacksonville, who I think Jacksonville is one of the best teams in the NFL this year. Like they have a great quarterback. They have great, uh, playmakers on offense. They have a defense that's stopping the run better than anybody in the NFL right now. So, you know, yeah, are we playing great football right now offensively? No. Has the defense struggled? Yeah, they played bad against Chicago. But we've also played a ton of really good teams, really close and been in positions to win.

• 34:01Speaker 02

  So I still think that the Eagles are a really good football team. I think they're better than a lot, most of the football teams in the NFL, especially if they're fully healthy and they can get back to playing better offensive football. I know everybody wants to think that the world is falling right now. And yeah, the last three games have been atrocious in the endings of them. But I still think this team has a ton of talent on it. Especially you get Devante Smith back, Saquon Barkley back.

• 34:24Travis Kelce?

  Come on now.

• 34:25Speaker 02

  Uh, you, you get, uh, you know, the offensive line gets more reps together to continue to be better as a unit. I still think that this team could be really, really freaking good.

• 34:35Travis Kelce?

  I hear you, man. There, there are literally just a few snaps away from being four and one.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  That's my thing.

• 34:40Travis Kelce?

  They got the, and they, they got the Panthers next week. It's not a, gonna be, not gonna be easy, another easy test. I mean, Panthers are playing great, but I think they lean on that defense. Jalen keeps, you know, managing the offense, trying to get touchdowns when they get in the red zone. You know, you win a few games, all of a sudden you get some momentum, things are looking back good. I mean, the Eagles have been known to go on a run, uh, like no other, man.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  All right. That's enough of that. Let's get the man in himself who everybody wants to hear from.

• 35:11Travis Kelce?

  I'm with you.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  Let's get to the rest of week five with coach Mike Tomlin.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  All righty, our guest today is a second team all Yankee conference wide receiver from William and Mary. Former defensive backs coach at the University of Cincinnati.

• 35:28Speaker 03

  You see.

• 35:29Speaker 02

  He is a two-time Super Bowl champion and was the youngest head coach to win a Super Bowl at the time. He was the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers for 19 years. And never had a losing season.

• 35:41Travis Kelce?

  Come on.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  Damn, that's crazy. He may be the greatest Minecraft architect of all time as well. Ninety-two percenters, don't blink. If you're a blinker, cut your eyelids off. Mike Tomlin is here.

• 35:53Speaker 03

  Man, Jason, I gotta put you on the payroll, man. That's pretty good.

• 35:58Speaker 02

  I've been working on that one, baby. Coach, how we doing? How you liking everything so far? Been seeing you on Sunday night. You've been killing it. You enjoying it so far?

• 36:05Speaker 03

  Man, I'm having a ball, man. It's, you know, it's part-time work, full-time pay. You know what I mean?

• 36:11Travis Kelce?

  Let's go. Still getting to go to the stadium. Probably feels electric. You stepped in and it's just been flawless, man. It felt like you're, you've, you've been meant to be in front of the TV, talking football to, to us football heads, man. Did you know it was going to be this smooth? Did you know, like you always had this in your back pocket?

• 36:27Speaker 03

  No, I mean, I've been working at it to be honest with you, dating back to the spring. Once I got into agreement with NBC, it was right during NBA playoffs. And so I would go to the NBA playoff games and, and watch Tarrico and Reggie Miller and, and Mello and T Mac and those guys, Vince work. I was appreciative because they let me in their space. And so I got a sense of some, what some of that was about. I went to the US Open, did the same thing. I just tried to, you know, and to be honest with you, man, I just started paying attention to it differently. You know, um, other people in the space, working and stuff like that. So it's been a good process for me, man. I hadn't taken it for granted. I want to work at it. I just like to work at everything that I do.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  But man, I'm having fun. As you mentioned, man, like when I go to stadiums, it's the best. Just to be in the environment, to see friends, you know, the fellowship with football men. Like EB and I got a chance to break bread when I was in Kansas City a couple of weeks ago. Man, it's a beautiful thing.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  Well, I, I knew you were going to kill it, coach. I mean, there's, I don't know if there's another coach that's been, had more sound bites over the last 20 years. You just have a knack for saying the right thing. It doesn't come out all these like cliches or whatnot. It's original. It's creative. It's motivational. It can be funny. I mean, I, I had a feeling of it. And I got to talk about the big runner. Is this, this has always been a thing? Is this real?

• 37:55Speaker 03

  Hey, um, prior to him being in Baltimore, I would call him by name. But once he got, once he got into the division. Hey, it, it's like Ohio State and Michigan. It's like their team up north. You know what I mean?

• 38:07Travis Kelce?

  There you go. Can't even say the name.

• 38:09Speaker 03

  I hadn't said that dude's name. I can't, I can't say his name. It was a way of making a point to my football team, how significant this dude's presence was going to be in this rivalry, you know? And so I always had appreciation for the Ohio State, Michigan rivalry. And so I really kind of stole it from, from that.

• 38:29Travis Kelce?

  That's too funny. To all the 92 percenters that don't know what we're talking about, uh, Coach Tomlin just did, uh, the call on, uh, the Ravens and Falcons game.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  The big runner is 4.2 per carry.

• 38:38Speaker 06

  And I guess what I want to remind you guys, the big runner is Derrick Henry. He still will not say his name because he sends a shiver down his spine by the way. He won't say it.

• 38:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I agree. Like doing stuff like that makes, it, it seeds it in guys' heads. You know what I mean? We used to call, uh, Stout used to call it the hook. Like you would add like a little something on the end of it if he wanted you to remember it a little bit more. So I think that's ingenious, coach.

• 38:59Travis Kelce?

  Let's talk week five.

• 39:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:01Travis Kelce?

  Do you miss, uh, the tube of shit? Do you know what we're talking about? Sean McVay has a story where you called him when he got hired and asked him how he likes that tube of shit that he never stops flowing. That tube of shit that he never stops flowing now that he's a head coach.

• 39:18Speaker 03

  I just, I just wanted to be real with him, man. I just wanted to let him know what was around the corner, man.

• 39:22Travis Kelce?

  Come on, baby.

• 39:24Speaker 03

  I don't miss it. I don't miss it.

• 39:26Travis Kelce?

  Not the tube, not the tube. I'm sure you missed other parts of it, but definitely not the tube.

• 39:31Speaker 03

  I miss the brotherhood of men, man. You cannot, you cannot fake that, man. To be around guys in the intimate way that we are in the football business, particularly at the highest level, the urgency, what it does to us, the way we get challenged, it's just a beautiful thing. And I will always miss that. But certainly there's other components to the J O B, man, that I do not miss.

• 39:55Travis Kelce?

  Love it. Well, Jason's getting some shit for, for his Eagles bias in the booth. Have you been getting any problems with coming off like you're, you're favoring the Steelers at all?

• 40:06Speaker 03

  To be honest with you, I don't care if I do, man. Like, how could you be somewhere 19 years, man, and had a personal, really a personal stake in, in most of those guys being there and not care for them, not root for them, not be for them? I'm not going, I'm not going to pretend that I'm not. I just, I can't do that. Certainly I got a job to do and I'm going to do it. But everybody knows where my heart is and where my support is. And I'm not apologizing for that.

• 40:35Travis Kelce?

  Nice. There you go.

• 40:36Speaker 02

  That's one thing that really stands out with me outside of the sound bites, your success on the field. All the guys I know that played for you genuinely loved you as a head coach, as their coach. Whether it was Alejandro Villanueva, Marquise Pouncey, Cam Hayward, like all of these guys talk about the way you held them accountable, the way you, you coached them in the meeting rooms, what you taught them, not just as a football player, but as men, like I, did you always have this way about you with people? Like, is that what you think your superpower was as a coach?

• 41:09Speaker 03

  I believe so, but it's just something, you know how it is, we do because we were inspired. And when I was growing up, man, the most respected men in my community were coaches. Like whatever, and then football coaches, track coaches, basketball coaches, man, they were the most stand up people to me. They were, they were men's men. And I just wanted to be like those guys. And inspire young men. And so that was really my intention when I got into the profession. I really, you know, I didn't have a aspirations of coaching in the league. I didn't play a snap in the league. I didn't, I wasn't aware of the league.

• 41:49Speaker 03

  And so really it was about working with young men or college athletes and, and, and I kind of ended up in the professional ranks. But when I got into professional ranks, I just refused to change my approach. I think a lot of athletes, man, when they get to the top of the food chain, people, people say they changed when everybody around them gets a little different. And so I just wanted to treat them the same way they were always treated, man. I wanted to pour in there, pour into them, not only from a football standpoint, but from a personal standpoint, meet them where they are, help them in their non-football lives. I just think coaching is about that. It's about not only getting the best out of an athlete

• 42:31Speaker 03

  and, and different people need different things, but it's also helping them in every component of their lives. If we're going, if we're going to have unique outcomes, man, we can't have these cookie cutter relationships.

• 42:42Speaker 02

  I love it. I love it.

• 42:44Travis Kelce?

  And it, all of that just oozes out of you, coach. I remember meeting you for the first time. It felt like I had known you forever. And it was at the, it was during the combine. I had a, I had an official, I had an official, so we were in one of the hotel rooms and, and we're going over film. And I remember there's, there's not a lot of light in those hotel rooms, but there's always the one wall light. And for whatever reason, you put Mean Joe Green right under that light. And it just felt like I was like being intimidated the inside. Did you put him back there to intimidate guys?

• 43:19Speaker 03

  By design. First of all, hey, seriously, first of all, you're not a real football guy. If you didn't recognize who that was.

• 43:27Travis Kelce?

  That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I hear you.

• 43:29Speaker 03

  If you did recognize who it was, then it certainly was a, a component of intimidation. Dude, Travis, hey, I remember it. I remember it perfectly. You walked out of the room and I was like, man, there's a little bit of a risky edge to that guy, but I want a piece of that.

• 43:48Speaker 03

  I was like, I was like, man, that guy could go either way, man. But that's what you're looking for.

• 43:54Travis Kelce?

  And I walked, and I walked out of there like, man, I know I grew up in Cleveland, but I mean, it kind of be pretty dope to be a Steeler under, underneath that guy as a head coach, man.

• 44:02Speaker 03

  Man, I remember it like it's yesterday. It's just funny, man. Some of those things that, that get stuck in our mind, man.

• 44:07Travis Kelce?

  It's the best, man. I appreciate you, coach.

• 44:09Speaker 02

  Let's go over a little bit more from week five. How about that? We haven't had that many coaches on the show. Can we talk some football stuff and decision making from this past week? There's a number of things that happened.

• 44:19Travis Kelce?

  So much.

• 44:20Speaker 02

  Let's go to the Giants. It was crazy.

• 44:23Speaker 03

  Crazy.

• 44:24Speaker 02

  Let's talk Giants commanders ending. All right. Commanders obviously let the clock expire in OT. Have a chance to kick a field goal. Who's at fault in your mind here?

• 44:32Speaker 03

  Everyone.

• 44:34Travis Kelce?

  It's so crazy. It's so, being in a building and going over situational football, it just blows my mind that this could even happen. And you touched on it on Sunday night, the other, the other day, but it's just, it's so crazy. The, the communication, everybody's over communicating what should be going on. And it just didn't seem like anybody was on the right, on the same page.

• 44:55Speaker 03

  I, I think that's what's, that's what's most interesting about it. Man, it's almost over communicated when you get in those circumstances. It's chatter, people that don't normally talk, everybody's all of a sudden talking. And so we'll never know. And, and I said this Sunday night, we'll never know kind of, you know, what really transpired. People said what they needed to say and, and all of that. And, and certainly it's a collective failure, man. I hate it for those guys, man. Dan Quinn, man, is a good friend of mine, man. We were friends when nobody knew either one of our names. My last year in college football was his first year in coaching. And he was a young assistant at William and Mary. I was, I was 22, he was 23.

• 45:40Speaker 03

  And I knew I wanted to get into coaching. And so, man, I hung out with him. I'm like, man, what's coaching like?

• 45:46Travis Kelce?

  That's good stuff.

• 45:47Speaker 03

  And all of this stuff, we became boys, okay? And, and it goes further.

• 45:51Travis Kelce?

  You just never know.

• 45:52Speaker 03

  As soon as the season was over, he got a job at Virginia Military Institute. And I was still in school. I had another semester of school. Man, he recommended me and I got my first job. We worked together at V M I.

• 46:06Travis Kelce?

  No way.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  And so me and this dude go back, man, to the very infancy of our careers. And so, man, I was, I was sick for him. But it was just crazy to watch it because it just, it's almost, it's almost baffling how it could occur because there's just so many potential checks and balances in terms of communication and communication opportunity for, for a lot of people, that it's crazy that it happened.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  Right. I, I've tried, the only thing that makes sense is that they thought they had another timeout, right? Like, I don't understand how else it would have happened. Like, it's like, whatever, we don't need that.

• 46:43Travis Kelce?

  Let's, let's just get into one of the best sound bites. The only thing that I'm glad it happened, it was that we got a Mike Tomlin soundbite out of this. He said on Sunday night football.

• 46:52Speaker 03

  I'd describe it as disgusting. Like, I was disgusted by the scatable fumble. I threw up in my mouth a little bit at the end of the game.

• 47:00Speaker 03

  Cause you, you know how it is, man. With, with, with two teams like that are fighting their tails off, man, you just, you don't want the game to be decided by officiating. You want the game to be decided by dudes rising up and smiling in the face of adversity and making plays and just talent on display. You know, that's what you want to see in those moments. And so, you know, you, you don't like to see, you know, fundamental errors like ball security or, or, or clock management or lack of awareness. It kind of takes the air out of the ultimate, you know, you know, competitive game.

• 47:36Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 47:36Travis Kelce?

  That's, that's exactly it.

• 47:38Speaker 02

  All right. Let's talk coaching play calling duties. All right. Sean Payton takes over calling duties from Davis Webb. Takes him back. Miguel Ryan's takes back play calling duties from my guy, Matt Burke down there with the Texans. How did you handle play calling duties? And like, was that ever something you had to give away or take back? Like, what is that decision making like?

• 47:56Speaker 03

  I've done it some over the years. I'll tell you this, any coordinator that works on the side of the ball, that's the head coach's area of expertise is subject to that. If things aren't going well, you get head jobs because of your expertise and your experience in a certain aspect of the game. And so if you're not hanging your hat there, where are you hanging your hat? If you're a defensive specialist and your defense isn't going, going great, like D'Amico, that's what you do. If you're an offensive specialist like Sean and offense isn't going great, I just think it, it comes with the territory in terms of when your boss has expertise and experience on that side of the ball,

• 48:41Speaker 03

  that's what happens. When I got a coordinator opportunity near Minnesota, one of the main reasons I wanted to go to Minnesota because Brad Childress was an offensive expert.

• 48:56Speaker 03

  And I, I didn't want to fly with the net. You know what I mean?

• 48:59Travis Kelce?

  I hear you.

• 48:59Speaker 03

  I, I didn't want that backstop. I wanted the responsibility of, of being that defensive expert in the building. And so that's one of the main reasons why I was excited about, about going to Minnesota with Brad.

• 49:12Travis Kelce?

  That's too good, man. Shout out to Chili, man. Shout out to Chili. I got to see him in the training camp, man. The best, man.

• 49:18Speaker 02

  We got Eagles and Jags ending. I don't know. There was actually two decisions. There's the one on the kickoff that led to the kickoff return and the ensuing field goal. And then there's also kind of the decision making before that to pass the ball a couple of times and not run the clock down and end the game of the field goal. Where do you fall on that one?

• 49:35Speaker 03

  I didn't see the sequence in terms of the offensive decision making because you know, we got things going on and stuff. We're getting ready for the show, but you know, I probably have a, you know, a less popular opinion about the kickoff. I just, I just think there's certain things in NFL football that you cannot run from. You gotta be able to cover kicks. You gotta be able to cover punts. You make decisions over the course of a 12 month calendar, how you fill out the back end of your roster. The last running back in the helmet might not be the best running back available to, you know, the last tight end in the helmet, safety or whatever. Those guys are kick coverage people because over the course of a 17 game schedule, man, like there could be a situations, man, where

• 50:19Speaker 03

  you could be back against the wall in the backed up punt and you gotta kick that thing and you gotta cover it. Or same thing with the kickoff. And so I see it through that lens. I think, I think Nick said what he was supposed to say and absorb the responsibility of that. Cause as head coaches, man, that's what, that's what we do. But, but I'm a firm believer in kicking and covering and not running from that. You can't run from everything in the NFL and you certainly can't have hindsight 2020 because somebody busted a kick on you and saying, man, I should not have put the ball in play. No, like there's certain things that are non-negotiable. I'm gonna die on that hill. Man, we're gonna be a kicking coverage unit. Cause that's football.

• 51:00Travis Kelce?

  I hear you, man. I love that. I love that.

• 51:02Speaker 02

  I was over your second guess. I was in the booth. I was second guessing it after. This is why you're a head coach. You're convicted and you know what you're hanging your head on.

• 51:10Speaker 03

  Come on, baby. Jason, I'll, I'll die on that hill, man. Like you can't run from every fight. Some things you just gotta dig your heels in and say, this is how we live, you know? And, and, and most of those guys, they're of that mentality that are on those units. They want you to put that ball in play. That's why you do business with them. Y'all know it. Y'all been on teams, man. Them dudes are foaming at the mouth. That's their mentality. And, and those are the dudes that, that, that I like to do business with in that space. I made the point Sunday night, like I love Kenny Gainwell. Kenny Gainwell is a, is a, is an awesome back, but I fell in love with Kenny Gainwell competing against Philly because that dude might score a touchdown and then cover the kickoff.

• 51:50Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 51:51Speaker 03

  You know, and it's, it's guys like that, man, that, that make this thing beautiful, man. It makes it what it is. And, and I just think you can't run away from that. And particularly over the course of a, of a, of a 17 game season, man, there's gonna be situations where you gotta kick and cover and you can't be scared. You can't, you can't give off that vibe. Because the dudes that are running down, man, that's, that's the life they live.

• 52:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. Dude. God damn, that's a good answer.

• 52:20Travis Kelce?

  Coach is the best, man. A couple of weeks ago during the Steelers Browns game, we saw a lot of yelling. There was a lot of yelling between players. There was, might've been a little bit between players and coaches. We even saw TJ Watt, who was not, it doesn't seem pretty even chill, but he even got on the headset and started getting a little hot, or at least from what it looked like. Where's your stance on the, the yelling or hostile, hostile environment or how the, how the sideline can kind of get just, you know, fired up?

• 52:49Speaker 03

  I just think football, man, is a, is an emotional game, man. And a lot of the men that competed are that. And I just think it's a natural thing. I think it's probably more interesting and noteworthy to the outside world. People like us, man, has been in this thing. Like you, you can't run away from the tough conversations. I welcome it. It's authentic. It's genuine. As long as it's solution oriented. And I know those guys, like TJ ain't grabbing a headset and going crazy unless he's looking for solutions to an issue. Cause he's, he's just geared toward winning. And how can you hate that, man? If, if you're about, I tell, I used to tell guys all the time, man, like in the pursuit of

• 53:32Speaker 03

  victory, man, I don't care where good ideas come from. Like, how can, how can you, you know? And so I, you know, I yawned at it to be quite honest with you, man. Them dudes, trying to win.

• 53:44Travis Kelce?

  Just another day in the office, man.

• 53:46Speaker 03

  And man, you can't apologize for that, man. I love, I love working with combustible men, man. It's real.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  Coach, I couldn't agree more. Could not agree more.

• 53:55Speaker 03

  There's no HR department, man, on them sidelines, baby.

• 54:02Travis Kelce?

  Man, that's good shit.

• 54:03Speaker 02

  I couldn't agree more, coach. I actually think, I actually think it's the opposite. It's worse when guys aren't talking. Like that's actually when you, when you are done as a team, it is when conversations stop. And that is like, I would rather guys fight up and trying to rise and like, hey, let's fucking figure this out. Then all of a sudden doors start closing and people are talking shit over in corners. Like that's when it's a real issue.

• 54:25Speaker 03

  I agree with you totally. When you walk down the hall and all the doors are closed, you're dead.

• 54:35Speaker 02

  Last thing, allegedly the Cowboys defense had a players only meeting. As a coach, what do you think when your team is having a players only meeting?

• 54:45Speaker 03

  I think you're dead.

• 54:47Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm glad you said that, coach, because we've had the same conversation on this show before.

• 54:57Speaker 03

  And it's certainly, and, and, and I got nothing but respect. Dudes that's been around me, they know I got nothing but respect for player leadership and I embrace that and all of that stuff. But that, when you have a players only meeting, man, it doesn't feel good.

• 55:14Speaker 02

  This is my thing is I get that there's a sense in the players only meeting that guys are going to be more real because they, they, there can be some show, I guess, proceed if you're going to do it with the coaches in there or whatever. I just always feel like it, it always is just a formality that is like, we're gonna do the players only meeting because nothing else is fucking working. So let's try the players only meeting and that's going to be the thing that's rolling. How about we just have a fucking meeting and have everybody involved in this motherfucker and try and fix this thing? I just.

• 55:43Speaker 03

  Hey, if it did occur, I'd like to not hear about it. The fact that you hear about it is what, is what makes it BS. You know what I mean?

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 55:52Speaker 03

  We had a players only meeting.

• 55:58Speaker 03

  If it was authentic and real, like then it wouldn't be reported. You know what I mean? And so like, I'm not a fan.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  God damn, I love that. We're on the same side as that one. I love that. Hey.

• 56:13Travis Kelce?

  That was fucking hilarious. We got the battle of the unbeaten's right now. Did we see the Vikings going 5-0?

• 56:20Speaker 03

  No. And, and you know, the cool thing about it, you know how it is, man. During the course of a, a season, you get tested in certain ways. And if you can, if you can stay upright in the midst of it, then boy, it's growth and you know, you got a squad. Man, they, they've, they've had instability at the quarterback position. They had Justin Jefferson unavailable and they're still 5-0, man. Like it's a beautiful thing, man. If Murray gets his feet on the ground and they got Jefferson every week and you know what I mean? Just to kind of run that gauntlet in less than ideal circumstances is what makes their undefeated record impressive. It's very different than San Fran. There's

• 57:03Speaker 03

  probably more growth associated with those guys being undefeated because of the adversity they faced.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  Coach, what do you, what do you think from what Brian Flores has been building there in minutes? Like it, it is just crazy to me. I've played against it. I've seen the evolution from New England to Miami where they're like man coverage, they're doing all the pick stunts over the, the line. And now to be doing what they're doing where it's like all this soft shell, but Max blitzes.

• 57:29Travis Kelce?

  90% blitz rate.

• 57:31Speaker 02

  The evolution, I guess that's happening there. Like it just is crazy to me.

• 57:34Speaker 03

  I just love the fact that he identified a hill that he wants to die on, man. And he just there with it. You know what I mean?

• 57:43Travis Kelce?

  Fucking with him.

• 57:44Speaker 03

  It, it takes a certain conviction and particularly when it's irregular or non-traditional.

• 57:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 57:50Speaker 03

  To say, man, we gonna play ball this way. And they do. Forget what it is. Like I, I just respect a guy that's bold enough to, to have a vision about how they're gonna, they're gonna ball, sell that to the dudes and then live that life. Because he does not take his foot off the gas. That's what's impressive about it. He's like, this is where I am with it. Flo was on my staff for a year after Miami, man. And you know, he and I became really close, man. He bought a house down the street from me and all of that. And, and I just really appreciate that dude. That is who he is. And, and so when, when it's so steeped in that, that's what I love about it.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  I love it. Hell yeah.

• 58:33Travis Kelce?

  That's good shit right there. Coach, you've been, you've been so on point with everything, man. God, this shit's fun to talk to you, man.

• 58:41Speaker 02

  Thank you to our partner Nike.

• 58:43Travis Kelce?

  You've seen the numbers. You've seen the lines. Caitlyn ones didn't just land, they took off.

• 58:49Speaker 02

  Both launch colorways sold out within hours, proving just how strong the demand is.

• 58:54Travis Kelce?

  And if you've been paying attention to Caitlin Clark, none of that should surprise you. When Cece shows up, the people show up. That's just how it goes.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  Now let's talk about what just dropped. The midnight fever colorway. This one's personal. It's a callback to Caitlyn's 22nd game in the league when she became the first WNBA rookie to ever record a triple double.

• 59:16Travis Kelce?

  That's the kind of moment you put on a shoe. The fever on the court matches the fever in the feet.

• 59:22Speaker 02

  The Nike Caitlin one midnight fever available now at nike.com, Foot Locker and Dick's Sporting Goods.

• 59:29Travis Kelce?

  And keep your eyes peeled for more colors dropping in November and December. Trust us, you're gonna love the colorway sea of red.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  This is just the beginning.

• 59:42Speaker 02

  Thank you to our partner, PrizePix. Brandon, come in here, give us some PrizePix.

• 59:48Speaker 05

  Thank you, Jason. Football is heating up. We're almost at week six and everyone's pulling up because PrizePix has all your picks in one place. New users, I'm talking to you, new users, people have not used it before. You're new. You're new here. Get yourself a head start with PrizePix best offer yet. If you win your first $5 lineup, you'll get $150 in lineups. That's right. New users get $150 in lineups if you win your first $5 lineup. And here's the best part about PrizePix. They have your back when other apps don't. If your player goes down in the first half and doesn't come back, your lineup can still cash. They paid out over $31 million in injury protection last season alone. That's looking out for the real player. You.

• 1:00:32Speaker 05

  Listen, if you're looking to get in on the action this week, week six has got a lot of games that I'm really sniffing around for some offense. Honestly, Patriots, Jets, I know that maybe isn't a lot of people's cup of tea, but Drake may, Drake may, Drake may be back. See, Drake may, Drake may be back. It works. It's a pun. Um, what else? Panthers, Eagles, Panthers can score some points. Eagles defense is not a slouch, but Panthers can score some points. Also, Bills, Raiders. If there's one thing I know, Josh Allen's going to score some touchdowns. He's going to score some touchdowns. He might throw it. He might run it. He's going to score some touchdowns. Bills Raiders is a game I'm looking at. I think there could be some offense in that one. Sunday Night Football, Cowboys, Packers. I say this all the time. Cowboys offense is not a problem. Dak Prescott will get you some yards, get you some touchdowns.

• 1:01:15Speaker 05

  Packers also put on a clinic this week. I feel like that's going to be a bit of a shootout in Sunday Night Football. Those are the games I'm circling. You guys let me know when I'm wrong. Tell me what you're watching this week. Jason, back to you.

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  Download the app today and use code NEWHITES to get $150 instantly in lineups if you win your first $5 lineup. That's code NEWHITES to get $150 instantly in lineups if you win with your first $5 lineup. PrizePix, run your game.

• 1:01:44Travis Kelce?

  We got to talk about the, the coaching career, man. You were hired at, at 34 as the Steelers' third coach since 1969. It went Chuck Knoll, Bill Cower, and then you. How crazy was it coming in at 34? Like, oh shit, this is who I'm following in this, in this organization, who has been known as arguably the toughest in terms of like the Steelers, the name, the city, all the above?

• 1:02:13Speaker 03

  Man, looking back at it, I acknowledge that it was scary as shit, you know?

• 1:02:23Speaker 03

  At the time, you won't allow yourself for that to even creep in because most of the time when you get a head coaching opportunity, man, the organization is ready for you because it's sick. You know, they, they, it's been a lack of success and the most opportunities, and so they're ripe for the change, whatever the change may be. You know what I mean? Um, it was a different scenario for me and that's probably what, what made it challenging, that it wasn't sick. It was a very stable organization through, through two long tenures. And so, man, uh, that's a daunting task, man, for, for, for anyone, uh, certainly for someone that, that was in their early to mid 30s, man. Um, but I tell you this, and, and I mean it,

• 1:03:10Speaker 03

  the Rooney's, like, they were so sure that it made me confident. You know what I mean? Like, like football is their business. They're not successful Fortune 500 company people that bought a football team. Like generationally, that is their business. And so they had a business model that they, that they believed in, particularly as it pertain to the head coach. When I saw how closely my profile was to Bill Cowers, then I gained the understanding that, that it was very intentional from their perspective and that just created confidence in me.

• 1:03:47Travis Kelce?

  That's awesome, man.

• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  What, uh, before the Steelers, obviously worked with Tony Dungy, John Gruden, like, where were your biggest influences being a head coach?

• 1:03:57Speaker 03

  Man, I, I think I grew up in a big way, um, down in Tampa, um, as a, as a secondary coach. Um, and certainly I've, I've been around some, some great coaches, man, that have helped me mold, mold me. But, but the biggest challenge and the biggest growth as a coach, man, is when you got great players. And I was a secondary coach. I got that job at 28 and I had John Lynch and Rondie Barber in my room, man. Lynch was a year older than me. You know what I mean?

• 1:04:27Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 1:04:29Speaker 03

  Hey, Lynch was at the Pro Bowl, okay? When I got the job, I called Lynch on the phone, you know, he's at the Pro Bowl. He's like, yeah, what do you want? Who are you?

• 1:04:41Speaker 03

  Where are you coming from? The University of what? Cincinnati?

• 1:04:46Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? And, and I just did not want to let those guys down. Um, we had gold jackets in that room and that defense room, like Derrick Brooks and Warren Sapp, um, and Lynch and Barber. And I just think that, I just think we challenged players as coaches, but players have no idea how much they challenge coaches. I just refused to let those guys down. You know what I mean?

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:12Speaker 03

  I wanted to have a certain level of preparedness every day. I wanted to challenge them. I didn't want to be a fanboy. I wanted to challenge and coach John Lynch, but it's kind of uncomfortable when he's got a resume and he's 12 months older than you. You know what I mean?

• 1:05:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:30Speaker 03

  And so I grew up and grew up in a big way in Tampa, Florida as a coach, because I was around greatness, man. And I, and I, and I gained the understanding of what greatness is about and what it looked like day to day. Um, from guys like Sapp, Brooks, Lynch, and Barber.

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  So when you were at Cincinnati, who were, who was the head coach? Was that Minner?

• 1:05:52Speaker 03

  Rick Minner. And Jesse was in high school, man. He'd be around the building every day. Like, and he was a defensive back. And so, you know, I would, I'd let him hang out with me and all of that, man. It's a funny football world we're in. You know what I mean?

• 1:06:05Speaker 02

  It's crazy. So Jesse was a GA when Trav and I were at Cincinnati.

• 1:06:09Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, he was holding, he was holding up scout team cards for me as a QB.

• 1:06:14Travis Kelce?

  Small world, man. Small world. And honestly, it's, it's crazy to even imagine. I got a, he's one of the best in the league. He's literally, his defenses are unbelievable and he's, you could tell everybody loves him and it's, it's, it's, it's cool to see.

• 1:06:27Speaker 02

  And Rick's up there with him.

• 1:06:28Speaker 03

  You know, the thing I appreciate, man, like, like he was always around and his old man didn't mind it. As a matter of fact, he encouraged it. They, they had a love affair with football and now Jesse is at the top of the food chain and, and he's sharing it with, with Rick, you know?

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:06:47Speaker 03

  It's cool to see that, see that thing come full circle, what father's tagging along with son in the ways that Jesse used to tag along with his dad, you know, when I worked for his dad. It's just funny.

• 1:06:58Travis Kelce?

  That's cool as hell.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  At Cincinnati, we walk past this wall all the time and your face, your head would be up there, John Harbaugh, Rex Ryan. Was, was this all in the same era of time at University of Cincinnati with Rick?

• 1:07:10Speaker 03

  Absolutely. You know, the thing about it, y'all know Rick, man. He's, he's crazy. Okay. Like, like, but his, his love of football is pure. You know what I mean? Like, he was, he's a hard interviewer. If he hired you, damn it, you could coach. Like, like you could present, you, you, you structured, you know? And, and I just think it's one of those places, man. And it's always, Cincinnati's always been one of those places, man, where you get an opportunity to grow and prove yourself. And it's been an awesome, you know, springboard for a lot of, for a lot of people, man. Just look at the coaches that have come through there.

• 1:07:47Speaker 02

  I know. It's crazy. Even in college, in the NFL, it's wild to see how many names have come through it.

• 1:07:52Speaker 03

  There's no doubt.

• 1:07:53Speaker 02

  Well, it worked out for you, Coach. You never had a losing season.

• 1:07:56Travis Kelce?

  How about it, man?

• 1:07:57Speaker 02

  How in the hell does that happen? Like, what, what was, how do you not have a losing season?

• 1:08:02Travis Kelce?

  You had no players only meetings. How crazy is that?

• 1:08:11Speaker 03

  You know, like every year, you, you know, you start the journey with the agenda of being a world champ. And so like, that was my agenda. Um, and, and certainly I fell short a bunch, a lot. Um, but damn it, not that far short.

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, it wasn't. Yeah, exactly.

• 1:08:29Speaker 03

  And I think more than anything, it's about, it's about training the collective to smile in the face of adversity, man. Like, we had some, we had some tough times, man. One year, we, we started two and six in the front, on the front nine, and we went six and two on the back nine. You know, I just think that when things are thick, man, you get an opportunity to show who you are, um, as a coach and as a player. And, um, I probably did my best coaching job sometimes when things were thick, because I just refused to let go of the rope. And I just refused to allow the men that I work with to let go of the rope.

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  Love that, Coach.

• 1:09:09Speaker 02

  Your Steelers, you talked about this before. You like players that are a little bit on the edge.

• 1:09:13Speaker 03

  Ain't no doubt.

• 1:09:14Speaker 02

  You had a few personalities in Pittsburgh, just a few. How did you keep it all together? Like, what is, what was that like from your perspective?

• 1:09:24Speaker 03

  I think it's, I think it's individual, personal relationships, man. Um, I think that's the only way that you get the best out of most people, but certainly people that are edgy, um, people that come from, you know, unstable backgrounds, et cetera, people that lack trust. You gotta be real consistent in your behavior and how you deal with them. You gotta, they gotta know that you, that you give a damn about them as a human. And it's not just in words, uh, it's more so in action. And so I just try to live that out, man. Like, like certainly, um, as a head coach or a CEO, man, you deal with a lot of people, but I think oftentimes, man, we use that as a crutch for not having personal, individual relationships.

• 1:10:09Speaker 03

  And I just pride it myself in, in trying to understand people, where they come from, what their hopes and dreams are, what they feel, fears are. I just think as a leader, you need that information in order to get the best out of them, to challenge them. Different people are challenged in different ways. Some people need and appreciate and want a kick in the butt. Sometimes a kick in the butt doesn't, doesn't work with, with others. I think just knowing them, legitimately knowing them, um, is a main component. And that's something that, that's something that I always worked at. I didn't always have, you know, a close intimate relationship with everyone, because it's two sides to, to a relationship. And, and, and sometimes people just want to be like, hey, what's up, coach?

• 1:10:54Speaker 03

  And, and I get that, but anybody that was genuinely open to it, man, I gave them that. Um, and, and I've always kind of tried to coach in that spirit.

• 1:11:04Travis Kelce?

  Coach, uh, when did you know that people were really into your, um, Tomlinisms? We got a bunch of examples here, but was it, was there ever like a, you said one and people really started laughing or, or really latched on to them?

• 1:11:18Speaker 03

  You know, I probably late to the recognition of it outside of my space, you know, the team. I did it very intentionally for the team. Um, I wanted to own the responsibility of starting the workday, you know? Damn it, I'm gonna address the group to start the day. I want everybody to get their tenor from me. I want them to understand what I deem to be appropriate, maybe that week, but more importantly, that day. And so, you know, I wanted to be informational and somewhat entertaining. Um, and so I just started doing it that way

• 1:11:56Speaker 03

  in an effort to kind of set the tone for the collective. Um, and then as you break up into smaller groups, man, I just wanted to make, make the job of my assistants easier. I didn't want anybody walking around wondering what am I thinking or what's the vibe of the day or how are we going about our business today? And when the meetings get a little long, because that's a big agenda, then you, you better be somewhat entertaining.

• 1:12:23Travis Kelce?

  You ain't lying, man.

• 1:12:24Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? You better say something to make people say, what did he say?

• 1:12:30Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? And so the meeting is 30, 35, 40 minutes, man. I, I gotta deliver something. And so that's how it developed over the years, because if, if I wanted to own the responsibility to set the tone for the day, covering the difficult stuff, laying a framework of, of what was going to happen in subsequent meetings or what needed to happen on the practice field, then I'm not going, I can't be boring. You know what I mean? I gotta give them a little something. And sometimes I would thoughtfully say something that's shocking, something that's a little bit inappropriate, whatever. Whatever, because I just wanted them like locked in.

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  We're still squirreling these nuts. That's right.

• 1:13:13Speaker 03

  Two dogs, one bone.

• 1:13:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. How much of this was like research being done or you, did they just like come to you? Like, is it kind of a mixed bag where you were like, okay, I like what this one is over here? And sometimes it would just like be an epiphany or something like that.

• 1:13:30Speaker 03

  Really, it's a mixed bag, you know? Sometimes you could be talking about sensitive subject matter. Hey, I'm looking at you two this week, man, and your work during the course of the week is going to determine who's working and who's in street clothes.

• 1:13:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:46Speaker 03

  So what'd you say? Hey, two dogs, one bone.

• 1:13:53Speaker 03

  Everybody understands what that means.

• 1:13:57Speaker 03

  It's a way of making sometimes difficult conversations more digestible without, without lessening what's going on. And so like, uh, I, I just did it in that way and, and I got it from anywhere and everywhere, obviously.

• 1:14:15Speaker 02

  I love it. All right. We're gonna do this. You, you mentioned how much, I, I think one thing that's clear from all the players I know that play for you and hearing you today, you have just an amazing relationship with so many of your players. We're gonna name a player. We want you to give us your favorite story of that player. All right?

• 1:14:32Speaker 03

  All right.

• 1:14:32Speaker 02

  All right, let's start with the biggest, baddest man I think in the Steelers. James Harrison.

• 1:14:39Speaker 03

  Hey, my, my favorite Debo story, as you guys know, we call him Debo. He gets that pick six in the Super Bowl right before halftime. And I don't know that people realize, but he is down in that end zone. He is down. The half's over, you know, but he is down. And so I go out there to get him and he's like flat on his back. I go out there, the trainers go out there, man, and I'm like, man, Debo, man, you all right? And he was like, I'm tired, boss.

• 1:15:15Speaker 03

  I'm like, I'm like, man, it's halftime. It's cool.

• 1:15:19Speaker 03

  It's just so James Harrison, man, you know?

• 1:15:25Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, he's got my welcome to the, the NFL moment. He's one of those guys where he's intimidating, but at the same time, you have so much respect for him that you're always feel his presence on the field, no matter where he is, man.

• 1:15:38Speaker 03

  The thing that I have to say about a man, like, he's built for football. Like, you, you cannot stop him from going where he wants to go on a football field. You might slow him down momentarily, but like, he just, man, like.

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  It's, it's over. That rip gets set. There ain't stopping it.

• 1:15:58Speaker 03

  You might slow him down momentarily, but wherever he's going on the football field, that's where he's going.

• 1:16:02Speaker 02

  We had him in the Super Bowl at the tail end of his career in New England. And, uh, I just remember after the first drive, we get back to the bench and, uh, Hala Puliati Vitai was starting at left tackle because JP was hurt. And we're like, hey, how's it going over there? He's like, hey, he's strong.

• 1:16:23Speaker 03

  And, and lower body, right? He puts that out, in, out on you and starts ripping that thing and start, hey, and the rest of it is below the waist. The rest of it's below the waist, man. It is, and, and it's only a matter of time before he gets from A to B.

• 1:16:40Travis Kelce?

  There you go. I gotta ask you about one of my tight ends, uh, Darnell Washington. The big dog out of Georgia, man. It is so fun to watch him play. You got any good stories?

• 1:16:52Speaker 03

  Hey, um, you know, talking about building relationships, man, I always get out on the road in the spring. I go to pro days. That's my thing. And I always take people out to eat the night before. I just, you know, if I'm gonna do business with somebody, as I said, man, I want to get to know them. And Georgia's been one of my spots over the years. And so I took a collection of those guys out to dinner and I made Darnell sit beside me. And man, he didn't say two words the whole, the whole meal. You know what I mean?

• 1:17:25Travis Kelce?

  Yes, he seemed like a quiet guy.

• 1:17:28Speaker 03

  Man, he, he doesn't say a word, you know what I mean? But, but everybody loves him. They, they look to him for a response. I watched the group dynamics, right? You know, they look to him for a response. If he's laughing, then it's cool. You know what I mean? And I just loved, I just loved how, how endeared, how endeared he is, how his teammates felt about him, even though like he didn't have anything to say. And that's who he is. Like, he doesn't say much, but everybody loves him. Because there's a spirit about him. He's good people. Um, he's a good teammate. He's hardworking. He loves football.

• 1:18:09Speaker 03

  Like, it, it's just, it's, he's an interesting study in that way, that, that he's the quietest guy in the room, but, but people gravitate to him.

• 1:18:18Speaker 02

  Does he know he could make probably $15 million a year more by playing left tackle? Like, what is he doing still playing tight end? What are we?

• 1:18:27Travis Kelce?

  Because it's electric.

• 1:18:30Speaker 03

  He, he's heard that from me more times than I can count. And my, my thing is, my thing is, I didn't want to be, I didn't want to be the one responsible for the transition. I'm trying to figure out why it didn't happen at 17.

• 1:18:47Speaker 02

  Let's go Troy Palamalu.

• 1:18:49Speaker 03

  Ooh, baby Jesus.

• 1:18:52Speaker 03

  Troy is beautiful, man. Like, the thing, the thing I love about Troy is if you look at his play, you would have no idea of his personality, you know?

• 1:19:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:05Speaker 03

  When his sons were little, man, he'd always have them around. And, man, they were, they were terrorists, man. They tear, they tear building up. And Troy is just so patient, you know, like Paeisios, his oldest boy, I think he's committed to Stanford right now. And those boys have grown up nice, man. They were training camp ball boys in their teenage years. And it's funny to watch how they smoothed it all out. But when they were little, man, they were hell on wheels. And Troy just like, Paeisios, please.

• 1:19:36Speaker 03

  He was so patient, man. And, and, but that's who he is, man. I used to, I used to laugh because, man, his boys, man, they were, they were, they were real boys.

• 1:19:48Travis Kelce?

  That's so good, man. I gotta ask about a guy that you mentioned could be an NFL head coach right now, Ryan Clark. You got some good stuff on Ryan?

• 1:19:57Speaker 03

  I do. You know how, I'm always, you know, I'm, I'm a truth teller. I just, you know, I just, I respect how short careers are and, and how urgent this business is. And so I just, I, I, I speak in truth and sometimes it could be biting and I might say it in a matter of fact way, but I don't mean any harm by it. I'm just being truthful. The first time I sat down with Ryan Clark, I was like, man, you've been a journeyman. Um, I want to make this a stay for you, man, that you identify as a Steeler, man, the rest of your life. And I didn't think anything about it. It was years later before he told me that he was offended that I called him a journeyman.

• 1:20:45Speaker 03

  A couple of helmets in your basement, but this is gonna be, this is gonna be the helmet.

• 1:20:52Travis Kelce?

  Whatever you said to him, it clicked, baby. Cause he, I mean, he's a Steeler. That's all I know him as.

• 1:20:56Speaker 03

  Hey, man, he is a Steeler, man. Um, man, you talking about, like, this guy's like, this guy's like Ryan Clark, man, that, that, that make, that make football dangerous, you know? Like, that, that, that dude didn't care about his own well-being. And, and, and that's, that's scary.

• 1:21:16Travis Kelce?

  His, his, his highlights, what I mean, highlights, what he wouldn't be able to do in today's football is fucking electric, man.

• 1:21:23Speaker 03

  All gas, no brakes, man. Like, like, he had a sickle cell trait, man. And we had a big game in Denver. And he wanted to play. And the docs didn't want him to play. And so we had a big meeting in the conference room. And, um, he and his wife, Yanka, come walking in the room. And we're gonna kind of hash it out. And he wants to kind of put together a plan where he could maybe play maybe a limited number of snaps, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And when they walked in the room, man, I saw the look on his wife's face. And I was just like, bro, you're not playing, you know? But I just think that's what, that's what we're called to do, man. We need to protect those from

• 1:22:07Speaker 03

  themselves that need to be protected from themselves. And Ryan was just one of those guys, man. Ryan was willing to die for it. Uh, but as a leader, you better recognize that, you know? And you better do what's right. And I always wanted to do that. I just, I'll never forget Yanka walking in that room and the look on her face, man. I, I wanted to get out of the room. I'm like,

• 1:22:30Travis Kelce?

  I don't want nothing to do with this.

• 1:22:32Speaker 03

  You know, the cool thing, man, you know how, you know how football justice is, man? You do what's right. We go win the game. The guy that starts for him, Tyrone Carter, is AFC Defensive Player of the Week.

• 1:22:44Travis Kelce?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:22:45Speaker 03

  Isn't it beautiful?

• 1:22:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:47Speaker 03

  Like, like, he has a big game, a pick and all of that. And, and we won the game. And the guy that played for him was AFC Defensive Player of the Week.

• 1:22:57Travis Kelce?

  Man, if I was Ryan, I would have been coming to you. See, Coach, I could have been AFC.

• 1:23:03Speaker 03

  So I see you know Ryan.

• 1:23:07Speaker 03

  But, but ask Yanka, ask his wife, you know?

• 1:23:11Travis Kelce?

  You already know. You had to make the right decision.

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  RC has been great. RC was one of the guys that welcomed me to the broadcasting booth when I went over to Monday Night Football. And like, you, you could tell the intensity at which he broadcasts. I'm like, I would have loved to play football with this dude right here. Cause like, this dude, it ain't no bullshit. He's all about it. Yeah.

• 1:23:29Speaker 03

  It's guys like him that make it a dangerous game. Like, like, it, it was, it was never for play for him. It was for real.

• 1:23:37Travis Kelce?

  I love that shit.

• 1:23:38Speaker 02

  Hold on, hold on. I gotta ask you about Alejandra. I told you before the show, I gotta ask you.

• 1:23:42Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:23:42Speaker 02

  And Alejandra on the show, Alejandra Villanueva, for those of you watching, he said, you're selling yourself short as a head coach and that you should run for president.

• 1:23:52Speaker 02

  Just to put that out there before, what, give us some Alejandra Villanueva story for us.

• 1:23:56Speaker 03

  Hey, uh, my favorite thing to mess with, mess with Al.

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:03Speaker 03

  I, I'd like, Al, we're done honoring you for your services.

• 1:24:08Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? Because when, when he first came to us, man, I was just enamored by,

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 1:24:15Speaker 03

  His service, man. You know, you have salute to service and, you know, Veterans Day, Memorial Day, you know, just, I didn't let any of them days pass by without acknowledging that, hey, we got a guy sitting in here, man, that's, that's got a commitment that, that we don't know any damn thing about, man. Like, all you can do is appreciate it. But after he was there for a while, I'm like, Al, we're done honoring you for your service.

• 1:24:42Speaker 03

  And he just thought that was the funniest thing ever.

• 1:24:44Travis Kelce?

  That's some good shit, baby. We got one more segment for you, big guy. We can get you out of here, man. This has been too much fucking fun. Uh, it's called, We Gotta Ask. You don't gotta answer. You tell us to kick rocks, but we gotta ask. Uh, the first one, first one I got for you is, uh, 2022 AFC wildcard game, Steelers at Chiefs. Chiefs are up 20. What is this? Aw, man. Well, no, I can't ask this, Jason. You gotta ask this.

• 1:25:10Speaker 02

  All right, 22, 2022 AFC wildcard game, Steelers and Chiefs. Chiefs up 21 at the start of the fourth quarter. Chiefs run a trick play with Travis throwing a touchdown pass.

• 1:25:20Travis Kelce?

  This is bullshit, man.

• 1:25:21Speaker 02

  I don't know, you're telling me.

• 1:25:24Speaker 03

  And no, man, it's, it's not their responsibility to keep the score down. Like, like, I, I have never been sensitive in that way, man. Like, um, I, I understand some people are. Um, but, but for me, like, I, I never wanted to hold somebody else responsible for me stopping them. Like, like, I, I've, I've been competing against Andy, man, since I was in my twenties. I was in Tampa, he was in Philly. Like, like, I know the red zone creativity, man. I just, I know, I know you better stop the shovel. Don't get beat to the flat, et cetera. Like, and so, like, that was very much in character and, and, and the score of the game is irrelevant, man. I'm responsible for keeping the game competitive.

• 1:26:06Speaker 02

  All right. I want to ask you one that's a better memory for you, probably. When we were playing you guys with TJ, you guys were running this fucking defense where TJ would get up and he would be like a Roman monster. And we were, we put so much time into like, is he gonna fit in the A gap? Is he gonna end up on the edge? Is he gonna? And every week it'd be something like, I want to know, just as a football person, was this structured or was this like, hey, TJ, just go fucking do whatever you want? Or was this formation dependent? Like, how did you guys get to running that? And what was it?

• 1:26:34Speaker 03

  It was both. Um, it was called Rover. First of all, and when you got a special guy, man, you gotta give them the latitude. They're like artists. Like, like, some things they do, they can't articulate. They, they do it like breathing. And I just learned long ago that, that you don't, you know, you don't put restrictions on that. Now, you try to create a space where, where, where that happens organically. And so he's just an example of that, the Rover structure that you're talking about. But it was the same thing with Troy Palamalu, man.

• 1:27:08Speaker 02

  That's what it felt like. Just a different, a different form of it, but the same, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

• 1:27:12Speaker 03

  Like, you know, man, we got a guy like that. Like, man, the, take the handcuffs off of him, man. Like, to me, like, that, that, that rigid coaching, that uncompromising coaching, it, you know, it, I don't view it as the best coaching. Like, like, man, you look at the tools that you have to work with and then you make plans accordingly. And when those tools are special, man, man, that's, that's not a, that's not a challenge. That's an opportunity. And so, man, it, it's cool to create opportunity for, for guys like that, man, to put their, their instincts, their talents, their feel for the game and stuff on display.

• 1:27:53Speaker 02

  Well, it used to drive us nuts, Coach. Cause I, I, we'd be sitting there, we'd be running, we'd, you draw up all the runs for the week and you know what? Okay, if it's an under front, we're doing this. If it's a, if it's an over front, we're doing this. And if it's the weak rotation, we're doing that. And then this, we'd have to spend so much time on this TJ Watt package. Cause like, I don't know what this fucking front is. I don't know where he's going, what's happening. Then the wheels unblocked because he ends up on the weak side one time. Then he ends up strong and the safety's unblocked. It would, it would give us a ton of issues, especially the short yardage version of it. But, yeah.

• 1:28:25Speaker 03

  I, I'll tell you this, man. I learned that flexibility as a very young coach, man. Like, we're in Tampa and we got Simeon Rice, man. And he's an open side edge rusher, man. He's the best on the planet at the time. He is an absolute monster. You know, sometimes, man, he might end up in the C gap. Sometimes he might end up in the B gap or whatever in terms of where runs the show. Like, I'm, I'm the secondary coach. I'm like, I don't care what, what gap he ends up in. We'll cover him.

• 1:28:55Speaker 02

  We'll make it right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:58Speaker 03

  Like, we'll cover him because what he has, we can't coach, man. Like, I don't care what gap he plays, man. Lynch, Lynch will be the down safety. I'm like, Lynch, if he ends up in the B, play to C. If he's in the C, you play to B. But do not mess with that guy, man. Cause he's, he's laying the quarterback down 16 times a year, man.

• 1:29:16Speaker 03

  And he's the best cover guy we got. You know what I mean?

• 1:29:21Travis Kelce?

  I love it, man.

• 1:29:22Speaker 03

  And that's what I mean, what I was talking about earlier, like when you're around great players, like it's challenging as a coach, man, the growth associated with being around great players, man, is a beautiful thing. We don't talk about it enough. You know, we talk about how players learn from coaches, man. When you got great players, um, man, you grow as a coach, man. Number one, because you don't want to let them down. But number two, they do things that others don't. And the challenge is, how do you teach others to do it? You know what I mean?

• 1:29:54Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Yes.

• 1:29:55Travis Kelce?

  We got one more question for you. We ask everybody, uh, what was your welcome to the NFL moment, Coach?

• 1:30:01Speaker 03

  Hey, the very first preseason game I coached as a secondary coach, man, we were playing the Miami Dolphins, man. We lost the game on a Hail Mary.

• 1:30:08Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh. The very first one.

• 1:30:12Speaker 03

  The very first game, the very first game, we lost on a Hail Mary, like a legitimate Hail Mary last play of the game. It's the first preseason game. But the funny thing, I was new to the league, man. I was shocked. I had just rolled off of everybody else's back. I was devastated.

• 1:30:30Speaker 03

  I was devastated. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:30:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:33Travis Kelce?

  But. You're taking it so serious.

• 1:30:35Speaker 03

  Bro, like it was, you know what I mean? It was my.

• 1:30:37Speaker 02

  We spent so much time to get there. You did everything is cultivated to finally be in the NFL. Yeah.

• 1:30:43Speaker 03

  I was devastated, man. Tony Dugie was my boss. I don't even think he even mentioned it, man. We just like, oh, game's over.

• 1:30:54Speaker 03

  I was crushed, man. I sat in my car in the parking lot for about 15 minutes. You know what I mean?

• 1:31:00Travis Kelce?

  Like, how did it just end up like this? This ain't what it's supposed to be like.

• 1:31:03Speaker 03

  This is crazy.

• 1:31:05Travis Kelce?

  Man, that's too good.

• 1:31:06Speaker 02

  Coach, we can't thank you enough, man. This has been awesome. Uh, you're a one-on-one person, one-on-one coach, incredible career. So excited to keep watching you on Sunday, do your thing over there on NBC. Appreciate you so much as a, as the old ball coach and as a person. Thanks for hopping on the show.

• 1:31:22Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, appreciate the time and the stories, man.

• 1:31:24Speaker 03

  Nah, man, it's an honor to be with you guys, man. I just, I got one brother, man. And, and that's my brother. And I just love the brother component of what you guys do and how you do it. I got two sons. Uh, they're 13 months apart. And man, they're thick as thieves, man. I just, I love watching y'all do what y'all do and how you do it. You do it together. Uh, that resonates with me, man. Y'all keep doing it.

• 1:31:49Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:31:49Travis Kelce?

  You know it, Coach.

• 1:31:50Speaker 02

  You got it, Coach.

• 1:31:51Speaker 03

  You know it, bro. Take care.

• 1:31:54Speaker 02

  Thank you to our partner, Royal Caribbean.

• 1:31:57Travis Kelce?

  So we've been talking about Royal Caribbean's Legend of the Seas, the biggest vacation, sailing out of Fort Lauderdale this November.

• 1:32:06Speaker 02

  What about the ultimate family townhouse? Bro, it's three stories.

• 1:32:11Travis Kelce?

  No way.

• 1:32:12Speaker 02

  That's right. There's a movie theater in it. There's a slide that drops two floors and a private gaming room. Like.

• 1:32:17Travis Kelce?

  Love that, too.

• 1:32:18Speaker 02

  Who had that growing up?

• 1:32:19Travis Kelce?

  Nobody. That's not even a kid's dream. That's my dream now.

• 1:32:24Speaker 02

  16 spots for live music, 16. Swim up bar, piano bar, jazz bar. There's so much going on. You literally can't make it to everything. And that's a good problem to have.

• 1:32:35Travis Kelce?

  And you need to check out Playmakers Sports Bar and Arcade. Man, that sounds like my kind of spot. They're showing every pro football game this season. That's your game day headquarters right there.

• 1:32:46Speaker 02

  You gotta get the family on the new Legend of the Seas, sailing November 2026 from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

• 1:32:52Travis Kelce?

  Visit royalcaribbean.com to learn more.

• 1:32:56Speaker 02

  Thank you to our partner Pepsi.

• 1:32:58Travis Kelce?

  Thursday Night Football is tomorrow, which means it's time to get the crew together. And if you're not ready, that's a delay of game.

• 1:33:06Speaker 02

  Here's the thing with Thursday games, half the prep time, people coming straight from work, you're scrambling.

• 1:33:13Travis Kelce?

  But the food is still the main event. That's right. Especially for friends who showed up more for the spread than the actual game. I know a few.

• 1:33:21Speaker 02

  We see you. No judgment. Here's the play. Wings plus Pepsi Zero Sugar. Boom.

• 1:33:28Travis Kelce?

  That bold, refreshing taste takes those wings to another level. And we'll have you celebrating like your team just snuck a game-winning kick through the uprights.

• 1:33:37Speaker 02

  Whether it's having your friends over on Thursday night or throwing big tailgates this weekend, be sure to pair your game day favorites with ice cold Pepsi Zero Sugar.

• 1:33:46Travis Kelce?

  Tailgating deserves Pepsi. Food deserves Pepsi.

• 1:33:53Speaker 02

  All right. Thank you so much to Coach Tomlin for coming on the show. I mean, dude.

• 1:33:58Travis Kelce?

  Absolutely epic.

• 1:33:58Speaker 02

  Did not disappoint.

• 1:34:00Travis Kelce?

  Absolutely epic.

• 1:34:01Speaker 02

  He is who we thought he was.

• 1:34:05Speaker 02

  For Mike Tomlin, check out Sunday Night Football as the Cowboys travel to Green Bay to face the Packers. Coverage begins with Football Night in America on NBC and Peacock at 7:00 PM Eastern. If we ever have coaching questions, should we just get Coach back on? I feel like Coach Tomlin would be our best senior analyst of, senior analyst of just football or coaching or people. I think Mike would be a good choice.

• 1:34:30Travis Kelce?

  If, listen, if he's willing to come on, yeah, you already know, we gotta get him on more. That was absolutely epic. I didn't want the conversation to stop. But that is going to stop. It's, uh, cause that's it for both topics. Brought to you by Pepsi. Let's get to a little top 10. New Heights Top 10 is brought to you by Raisin Canes.

• 1:34:48Speaker 02

  Ooh, Todd Graves.

• 1:34:50Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Shout out to my guy, Todd Graves, and that delicious fried chicken.

• 1:34:54Speaker 02

  Hopefully Brandon this time can limit it to plays and not highlight reels.

• 1:34:58Speaker 05

  I don't know why you're picking at me this week. I don't know what I've done to deserve this. I don't know why.

• 1:35:03Speaker 02

  We're picking each other. This is what we do.

• 1:35:04Speaker 05

  Football weekend. And I go, oh, my friend Jason Kelce. And you're just up my ass.

• 1:35:10Travis Kelce?

  Texas did.

• 1:35:10Speaker 02

  Brandon, this is what we do. We just make fun of each other. It's what guys do.

• 1:35:13Speaker 05

  I know. There's.

• 1:35:14Speaker 02

  It's locker room talk. Locker room talk.

• 1:35:16Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, you know, you get it. And to be fair, this is coming from.

• 1:35:19Speaker 02

  We do it out of love. We do it out of.

• 1:35:21Speaker 05

  I don't think it. I don't feel loved at all.

• 1:35:23Travis Kelce?

  This one, this one specifically is.

• 1:35:27Speaker 05

  Join the, join the love club.

• 1:35:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:29Speaker 05

  No, no, Travis, you, you don't get to say it. You're fucking on the ice street.

• 1:35:32Travis Kelce?

  Oh, I don't want to hear it from you.

• 1:35:34Speaker 05

  Oh, oh, what?

• 1:35:35Speaker 02

  I got everybody in, I got everybody in Duval County fucking mad at me. And I'm like, I was cheering on Parker Washington. I fucking sent multiple calls. You fucked up. I was doing my best.

• 1:35:45Speaker 05

  I got everybody in Pitt screaming at me because we weren't nice enough to their volleyball player.

• 1:35:48Speaker 02

  Jesus, I grunted. I grunted when, when you guys went second and 18, whatever. Let's go, fuck, move on.

• 1:35:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was just going through, who's mad at you guys? I got Pitt volleyball fans mad at me because we didn't address that the volleyball player who like spiked that ball in the girl's face last year is like a two-time player of the year. I forgot to mention it. I'm sorry, Pitt, hail to Pitt. That's on me. I made you this little lantern. I made you a lantern.

• 1:36:11Travis Kelce?

  That's a nice lantern.

• 1:36:13Speaker 05

  All right. Let's do plays. Let's do plays. Top 10. You guys know the rules. You each get a veto, blind rank, one through 10. Let's get going. We actually had a fan. We had a fan submit. He wants to be part of top 10. And this is from Trey.

• 1:36:29Speaker 02

  George Kittle.

• 1:36:30Speaker 05

  This is from Trey. This is at.

• 1:36:34Speaker 05

  At Mr. Z1PCOD3. Rolls right off the tongue. I just peeked in front of my son.

• 1:36:44Speaker 07

  You got this.

• 1:36:47Speaker 07

  No way. Ah, you switched. You switched that.

• 1:36:53Speaker 02

  Great play regardless of situation, but the fact that he does it in front of his son, I mean, that's like all time. Like that kid is gonna remember that forever on how awesome his dad is.

• 1:37:05Travis Kelce?

  He's gonna know that he's got that, the bloodline. He just made his kid better.

• 1:37:08Speaker 02

  That's right. That's right. I'm going, this is, without being able to look at another one, this is a top, I go three, three or two, Trav? What do you want to go?

• 1:37:15Travis Kelce?

  I think four. I think four is fair. I think four is fair.

• 1:37:18Speaker 05

  Four is fair. All right. We're gonna keep moving.

• 1:37:20Speaker 02

  memory burned in his child's head forever. Four.

• 1:37:25Speaker 05

  All right, Jason, this is your shot at redemption. We're gonna go to the Eagles at, or Jags Eagles. You know which play I'm pulling up.

• 1:37:32Speaker 02

  Parker Washington?

• 1:37:32Speaker 05

  Parker fucking Washington.

• 1:37:35Speaker 02

  I mean, it's an electric fucking play.

• 1:37:37Travis Kelce?

  Oh, my God. Look at the, the high step at the end. Electric. The guy is fucking balling, man.

• 1:37:47Speaker 02

  He's a good player, man.

• 1:37:49Travis Kelce?

  That is a tough corner over there, man. That is a tough corner.

• 1:37:52Speaker 02

  Yes, it is. Listen, I, I jumped the call with Dave calling this. Like, I couldn't hold back like, oh, it was that electric when it happened in person. So, um, I think this is, I'll go two on this one. I don't think, I just want to leave one open in case there was another one.

• 1:38:08Travis Kelce?

  Just in case, yeah, there definitely is. I'll say two. Two's a good one.

• 1:38:12Speaker 05

  Two. All right. Hopefully Duval's happy with you now. All right, we're gonna go to Chicago, Green Bay. Christian Watson.

• 1:38:20Travis Kelce?

  He's having a hell of a year.

• 1:38:23Travis Kelce?

  I, I secretly love these fucking Green Bay unis.

• 1:38:31Speaker 03

  Made by Watson.

• 1:38:33Speaker 05

  Let me show, let me show you the high, the slow motion angle.

• 1:38:35Speaker 02

  Dude, Jordan Love went on a fucking streak here in this game. That was insane.

• 1:38:39Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it was.

• 1:38:43Travis Kelce?

  Right on top of the head. Ah, God. I mean, it's a banger. I give it a, I'll give it a five or four or three. I guess five or three.

• 1:38:54Speaker 02

  I mean, that's a really good, I'll let you call it five or three. I'll go with either one.

• 1:38:57Travis Kelce?

  Five, five, five, five. I think we got some more juice. I think we got two, two top tiers.

• 1:39:02Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:39:02Speaker 05

  All right. I'm gonna keep moving. Travis, a little flashback for you. We go to game five.

• 1:39:08Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:39:10Speaker 05

  ALDS, ALDS. Now again, we cannot show baseball heights. You guys are gonna see a nice little picture of this play, but we're gonna go to the Spanish call, Jose Ramirez.

• 1:39:22Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:39:32Speaker 05

  It's so much better.

• 1:39:41Travis Kelce?

  That dude has so much fun playing baseball, man. It is, it's infectious.

• 1:39:47Speaker 05

  Where are we ranking, Jose? Look at it. Look at him pick that off the ground. God damn.

• 1:39:50Speaker 02

  I mean, it's an insane.

• 1:39:52Travis Kelce?

  They said it was, it was point seven, four feet off the ground.

• 1:39:57Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 1:40:00Travis Kelce?

  Insane.

• 1:40:01Speaker 05

  Where are we going?

• 1:40:02Travis Kelce?

  I mean, for me, this is a three. This is a three. What do you think?

• 1:40:04Speaker 02

  I think three's good.

• 1:40:05Travis Kelce?

  Three's a solid one. Nice. I love it. Shout out to the Spanish call.

• 1:40:09Speaker 05

  Spanish call's always way better. All right, let's keep it moving to New England. We got Afton Chisholm making his second appearance in the top 10. With a little, with a little Travis Kelce magic.

• 1:40:21Travis Kelce?

  Ooh, this was solid. This was solid. I like this work. Hey, bah, just got it. I like it. I like it. I like it. Third and 11, knowing where the ball players are, you guys got me, but you don't got him. Easy first, baby. You keep it on his upfield shoulder though, bud. Keep it on his upfield shoulder. You think you gotta like, you think you gotta throw it back, but really you just gotta throw it down the line. Just gotta throw it down the line. That way you can keep him running, get him another nice head start. It's good stuff though. It's good stuff though. I like where this kid's head's at.

• 1:40:53Speaker 05

  Where are we ranking it?

• 1:40:55Speaker 02

  It's either one or six. We've used all the good ones up.

• 1:40:57Travis Kelce?

  That's the thing. Do you think, do you think it's a called play?

• 1:41:02Speaker 05

  They said no.

• 1:41:04Speaker 02

  No? Okay.

• 1:41:05Speaker 05

  Everybody said it's not.

• 1:41:07Travis Kelce?

  I love that about him.

• 1:41:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I like it now. Now it might be one.

• 1:41:10Speaker 05

  I can give you.

• 1:41:11Travis Kelce?

  Play ball. I'll give it one.

• 1:41:13Speaker 05

  Oh, wow. Afton.

• 1:41:15Speaker 02

  We love a good lateral.

• 1:41:16Travis Kelce?

  Good lateral. I'm pro lateraling. Imagine if we did that on every play.

• 1:41:20Speaker 05

  Was Afton number one last week too?

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  Let's go five. Let's go five. Let's go five.

• 1:41:24Travis Kelce?

  All right, let's go five.

• 1:41:25Speaker 02

  There's gonna be like a game winning situation. Yeah.

• 1:41:28Speaker 05

  Can I give you a veritable quote? Uh, he was asked about this play and he said, quote, he's just acting like Kelsey. He's making shit up as he goes. Like this is what we're gonna do now, Chiz? We're just gonna go rogue?

• 1:41:40Travis Kelce?

  He's a ball player. He's a ball player.

• 1:41:41Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 1:41:42Travis Kelce?

  Shout out to three, two for, uh, staying alive over there in the flat.

• 1:41:45Speaker 05

  All right, let's go to Detroit, Arizona. Another tight end, Trey McBride.

• 1:41:50Travis Kelce?

  See, this was nasty. This was fucking nasty.

• 1:41:52Speaker 03

  And the Cardinals. Rissette jump ball for McBride.

• 1:41:59Travis Kelce?

  They got some good play. I see you, Brandon. All right. You're starting to really fucking throw some plays in there, man.

• 1:42:05Speaker 05

  Just go to tight ends. Travis is like, this is the best list I've ever seen.

• 1:42:08Travis Kelce?

  This is.

• 1:42:09Speaker 02

  There's so many good plays in this week.

• 1:42:12Speaker 05

  Where are we going? Trey McBride juggling.

• 1:42:13Travis Kelce?

  Literally.

• 1:42:15Speaker 02

  It can't be seven.

• 1:42:17Travis Kelce?

  It can't be. God damn it. This is the point. This is the thing with blind rankings. Some of them just get placed out of order. Do you think there's anything better than this in week one? I don't think so. When I thought I liked the plays, this was the play that I thought of.

• 1:42:29Speaker 02

  I mean, to me, the best play of the week is by Devon Hamilton from Jacksonville snapping a field goal, game winning kick. That was the highlight play of the week. Stop.

• 1:42:40Travis Kelce?

  No way.

• 1:42:41Speaker 02

  A D tackle having to snap the ball out of nowhere. Whatever.

• 1:42:46Travis Kelce?

  Jason, you know.

• 1:42:50Speaker 05

  Where are we going?

• 1:42:50Travis Kelce?

  I'm saying this is one.

• 1:42:51Speaker 05

  Ooh, okay. All right.

• 1:42:53Speaker 02

  Fine. One.

• 1:42:54Speaker 05

  Ooh, okay. All right. Okay.

• 1:42:56Travis Kelce?

  That'll wait, Trey.

• 1:42:58Speaker 02

  We have three plays left.

• 1:42:59Speaker 05

  We're gonna move it on to Pittsburgh. We talked about this guy with coach, Darnell Washington blocking through the whistle.

• 1:43:06Speaker 02

  Oh, gosh.

• 1:43:07Travis Kelce?

  It's so epic.

• 1:43:11Travis Kelce?

  I mean, he, he does this every game. He does this every game.

• 1:43:14Speaker 02

  Yep. I love it. I love it.

• 1:43:17Travis Kelce?

  Just taking him to the water coolers.

• 1:43:19Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:43:20Travis Kelce?

  Just taking him to the water coolers.

• 1:43:22Speaker 02

  He's so good. He could make so much more money as a tackle.

• 1:43:27Travis Kelce?

  I don't know. I kinda like him in this situation.

• 1:43:29Speaker 02

  I mean, I like watching it too more. I just don't know. I mean, if I was.

• 1:43:32Travis Kelce?

  Is it illegal? Can you, can you make a guy ineligible? Can you say, oh, he's playing tackle?

• 1:43:37Speaker 02

  You can. You can actually.

• 1:43:39Travis Kelce?

  Why don't we just do that? Just do what they do. It's just like, all right, we want you to play left tackle now.

• 1:43:45Speaker 02

  All right. Um, I mean, it's gotta be eight.

• 1:43:49Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it's fine.

• 1:43:50Speaker 05

  We are going to Niners Seahawks. Mike Evans, who had a hell of a day, but I'm not showing highlight reels. I'm showing my favorite thing he did that day. We're gonna go with the jersey check.

• 1:44:02Travis Kelce?

  This is hilarious.

• 1:44:04Speaker 03

  Continues with Trayvon Diggs.

• 1:44:07Speaker 03

  We see Mike Evans.

• 1:44:09Speaker 05

  The jersey check from Mike Evans.

• 1:44:11Travis Kelce?

  That ain't right.

• 1:44:12Speaker 05

  I love it. That's great.

• 1:44:14Travis Kelce?

  I mean, it's, it's top 10 talking shit, but I don't think it's a top 10 play. I'll give it 10.

• 1:44:19Speaker 05

  You can veto it too.

• 1:44:20Speaker 02

  10 or veto. 10 or veto.

• 1:44:22Travis Kelce?

  I do either. Whatever you want.

• 1:44:23Speaker 02

  I do think it's very funny. So I'll go 10.

• 1:44:24Speaker 05

  10 it is. We're gonna go to, uh, where's my next one? All right. I sent you guys this one on Instagram. I wanna rank this one. We are gonna go to Winsome, Winston-Salem State University, the groundskeeper.

• 1:44:39Travis Kelce?

  This is fucking ridiculous.

• 1:44:46Travis Kelce?

  But this dude clearly just not giving a fuck.

• 1:44:54Travis Kelce?

  I see. I respect, I respect the effort though.

• 1:44:58Speaker 02

  There's no way this is real.

• 1:45:00Speaker 05

  It is real. They have addressed it. Winston-Salem has said they're gonna do better. How do we feel the Winston's Winston-Salem State University groundskeeper? You can veto it. I did just wanna show it to you.

• 1:45:11Speaker 02

  I fucking love this. This is atrocious.

• 1:45:14Travis Kelce?

  Um, what are we doing?

• 1:45:16Speaker 02

  I think.

• 1:45:17Travis Kelce?

  Are we going nine? Are we giving this guy the nine spot?

• 1:45:22Speaker 02

  I mean, I think, I think you have to commend him for just not giving a fuck. So I think we do go nine. I think we go nine on him. Yeah.

• 1:45:28Travis Kelce?

  He literally took 300 steps.

• 1:45:29Speaker 02

  If there was a top 10 for not giving a fuck about your job, this would be one. That's what I would say.

• 1:45:34Travis Kelce?

  And that'll get you, that'll get you number nine on our top 10 highlights.

• 1:45:38Speaker 05

  He's paid hourly. Last one, last one. Oh, man, I got a couple on here that I do wanna go through. All right. Last one, we're gonna go to Minnesota, New Orleans.

• 1:45:49Speaker 03

  Some of those run lanes as a quarterback. Jefferson trying to get free. Double coverage. Hotel kid trying to make the.

• 1:45:57Travis Kelce?

  I mean, that's nasty. I think it's a perfect seven. I think it's a perfect seven.

• 1:46:01Speaker 05

  Perfect seven. He does this a lot.

• 1:46:02Travis Kelce?

  Kyler Murray and Jefferson, man, if they, if they get hot.

• 1:46:06Speaker 05

  They don't need a lot. They don't need a lot of offense every game.

• 1:46:09Travis Kelce?

  But that's the thing. If these two get hot, man, that's gonna get wild.

• 1:46:16Speaker 05

  All right, that is our top 10. What did I fuck up? What did I fuck up? What did I miss?

• 1:46:22Speaker 02

  You did a great job. I mean, the long snapper you missed, but it was a great job.

• 1:46:27Travis Kelce?

  The thing is, is backup long snapper. I don't understand how the D lineman is the guy, like I've never heard of a D line. Like it's either a backup, like tight end, wide receiver, somebody who's a specialist that knows how to throw a football. Like a D end isn't even in like the cards.

• 1:46:47Speaker 02

  It was a nose guard. He was 330 pounds, Travis.

• 1:46:50Travis Kelce?

  He must've had some center back in his day and they just felt comfortable with him getting it to the.

• 1:46:55Speaker 02

  He did it. That's all I know. He was better on the punts. He was better on the punts than he was the field goals.

• 1:46:59Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, he was high on the field goals. Yeah.

• 1:47:01Speaker 02

  All I'm saying is, I just, I feel like to nobody else, again, just have another guy go in there snapping. That, I've seen it ruin games. Like we had, we had my man Brent Selick do it. He's, he rolled one back there and we stopped even doing punts. We just kept going for it, up for it down. Like this is, you have no idea. It's a pandemonium that goes on on the sideline when the starting snapper goes down for punts and field goals. A thousand percent.

• 1:47:26Travis Kelce?

  I'm ready.

• 1:47:27Speaker 02

  A thousand percent.

• 1:47:27Travis Kelce?

  I'm always ready.

• 1:47:29Speaker 02

  Have you guys never lost your snapper?

• 1:47:31Travis Kelce?

  No, we haven't.

• 1:47:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. Wait till it happens. Look at the way he's like holding this shit. It's fucking.

• 1:47:35Travis Kelce?

  All that bullshit on his hands. Why the fuck are we giving that guy?

• 1:47:39Speaker 02

  It's, he killed it. He killed it.

• 1:47:41Travis Kelce?

  On the pun, he crushed it. The field goals though, man, you gotta keep that ass down, bud. Keep the snap low.

• 1:47:49Speaker 02

  The problem is you can't put your ass down when you're that big. Cause this is something I learned. When you, the only way you can look between it is to put your ass that high up in the air.

• 1:47:58Travis Kelce?

  Do you look between your legs?

• 1:48:00Speaker 02

  Um, I used to.

• 1:48:02Travis Kelce?

  I'll give it one. I'll give it a peek just to see where he's at, but I know. Now, listen, I'll say this. I'll say this. The putter's gotta be ready to fucking go anywhere. All right. This isn't gonna be like a, you know what I mean? This is gonna be, we, we're getting this off, you know? You might even need to like take one step closer. You know what I mean?

• 1:48:19Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:48:19Travis Kelce?

  Be, have a different stance than the tall, waiting for that thing to get right in your, like, you know what I mean? Like we gotta, we gotta accommodate what's about to happen here.

• 1:48:27Speaker 02

  No doubt.

• 1:48:29Travis Kelce?

  In terms of the, the short snap though, I mean, that's tough to, it's just, like you said, to be able to keep the ass low and to look at the same time is damn near impossible. You almost gotta just like, yeah. Either way, I'll give it to you.

• 1:48:44Speaker 02

  Well, that does it for New Heights Top 10 brought to you by Raising Canes. And that does it for the show. That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Mike Tomlin.

• 1:48:54Travis Kelce?

  Once again, New Heights, a wonder show brought to you by Allstate. You in good hands with Allstate. Follow the show on all social media, add New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. Mike D gave us a bunch of bangers, so I can't wait to see what Jets Jake cooks up this week. Thanks to our New Heights production team and thanks again to all you 92% of you tuning in. We'll see you guys next week. Peace.

• 1:49:24Speaker 02

  I feel like if you drink too much Cleveland tap water, it's gonna decrease performance too many weeks in a row. So that would make sense that they were struggling a little bit being at home for an extended period.

• 1:49:36Travis Kelce?

  Something in the water, baby.

• 1:49:37Speaker 02

  The tap water in Cleveland tastes good to me. It tastes different. Is that good?

• 1:49:41Travis Kelce?

  Something in the water. Look at you, man.

• 1:49:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, but is there something? I know there's something and I can taste it. There's something, but is there something good or is there something bad? I can't tell.

• 1:49:48Travis Kelce?

  No, it's good. It's good. It's good. Good tap water. Yeah.

• 1:49:51Speaker 02

  They tell you it's, it's good to not have like too much purified water. You need some pathogens.

• 1:49:55Travis Kelce?

  Come on, baby. You need some. You gotta build up that immune system.

• 1:49:59Speaker 02

  What's your, we should do, what's your preferred water taste? You have bottled water.

• 1:50:09Speaker 02

  The like paper cardboard water, canned water. You have tap water. And then you have hose water. All right.

• 1:50:26Speaker 02

  Be honest.

• 1:50:27Travis Kelce?

  Listen, what's fucking hilarious. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go bottled water first. I'm not a, I'm not a box water or carb.

• 1:50:37Speaker 02

  Box water is obviously the last.

• 1:50:39Travis Kelce?

  Fucking hate it. I'll literally like steer away from like, no, I'm not thirsty anymore. Actually.

• 1:50:45Speaker 02

  I'll say this, I think the water out of a can tastes better. The issue with the can that the bottle has is that you can put the top back on it. Once you open the can, you're kind of stuck with it. But I like a cold can when I put it to my lips and the water goes in. Super refreshing. I wish there was a way to reclose it. But, so I put bottle and can.

• 1:51:06Travis Kelce?

  They got aluminum bottle tops.

• 1:51:08Speaker 02

  They do. They do. At the ballparks. That's actually a good salt for sure. So yeah, box water's at the bottom. Tap water, then, then bottle and can.

• 1:51:18Travis Kelce?

  The thing, are we talking insane tap water or we talking about hose water?

• 1:51:21Speaker 02

  Well, both. Tap water and hose water is different than tap water.

• 1:51:24Travis Kelce?

  The thing about hose water is that whenever I'm drinking out of a hose, I am fucking thirsty. I am fucking parched. Typically, probably been outside a long time. The last time I remember doing it, I was probably just getting done running full gassers at Cleveland Heights High School. So I was gasping for like, I need something to refresh and replenish. And then you drink the, and the water comes out, like you could fucking choke the fuck out of some hose water. And so I feel like you naturally get more of a, like.

• 1:51:57Speaker 02

  It's not even just the taste. It's also where you're at mentally and the whole process of it. So what, what are you just ranking? So?

• 1:52:04Travis Kelce?

  I'm going bottle, bottle tap, can, hose, cardboard.

• 1:52:13Speaker 02

  Are you serious? I'm going, all right, cardboard's at the bottom.

• 1:52:18Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:19Speaker 02

  Then I'd probably put tap. Then I'd put can and bottle. I'll, I'll put them tied at two. Cause I think they both have their places. I think hose water is a clear winner. Like I, hose water, hose water is like euphoric. Like there's like, there's a taste that's coming in me that like invigorates my entire body when I'm drinking hose water. And I think you're right. Part of it probably is that you're outside, it's hot. Like you just did gassers, whatever it is, whatever it is, all I know is I instantly get put into that mode. Anytime I taste the microplastics and petroleum products that are melting in the summer sun and like infused in that water. The

• 1:52:59Speaker 02

  moment it gets into my lips, I'm like, oh my God, that is good. Oh. If, if you could bottle hose water and the FDA didn't ban it, I would drink it every day of the week. It's like, it's so fucking good.

• 1:53:15Travis Kelce?

  That's a bagger. All right. Well, there's something in the water, man.