SC EP:1159 Sasquatch Picking Berries

Lindsey from northern MN writes "I was raspberry field picking and encountered what I at first thought was a mother bear and 2 cubs but they had hair not fur and it was auburn/brown less black like the bears in the area. The mother (large one) was distinctly "picking" raspberries which has never sat well with me. A bear would have eaten berries off the bush and not as quiet. The two young ones always had their back towards me and I think they were trying to be in little balls. I never saw their faces. They were trying not to appear large. The big one held its head down so I didn't see eyes or face. I didn't even know they were there until I was too damn close to do anything about it. My child mind was in the space of it could have killed me if it wanted to. I picked right around it ended the row and very quietly and slowly retreating back to my grandfather and grandma who were back at the house. I told them there were bears in the field my grandfather shot off a rifle several times to scare them away. I knew damn well it wasn't a bear but I also was under 12 and I didn't know what it was I didn't have words to describe exactly what I had seen nor had I heard of big foot or Sasquatch. I was however completely terrified by this experience. Having seen a grizzly bear as an adult and a very large black bear I can say it was not that. I think it was kneeling and crouching. I was directly on the other side of the bush from it the raspberries were set up in rows. This was a large field surrounded by forest on three sides. Lots of deer lived in the area my family hunted and I grew up spending all my summers with them helping pick. It happened very early in the morning I was the first one out there and the dew was still wet on the leaves and it was cool still. The sun was just starting to come up but it was still filtering through the trees. We didn't start picking this early but I wanted to get a jump on it because the summers were so hot and humid. I used to pick what was equivalent to 24 pints 2 flat carriers before it would get too hot to mess with. Everyone in the area knew my grandma. She was very popular and she raised my mom in Detroit lakes with 5 other siblings. So I didn't want people bothering her as she had dementia and failing heath as she was in her late 90's. I had stumbled on your show by accident but having the experience I had obviously I listened to all the episodes. I never heard anything like the Ohio sounds they make on property nor the gibberish that was recorded in CA. I have heard what I can only describe to you as broken owls. They weren't quite right but I couldn't put my finger on exactly how I knew but I just felt like it was mimicking owl maybe. Grandpa lit the property like it was Fort Knox. I maybe understand that more now after listening to your show. They were one of the first people to move into that area. Across the road from them which is like 1/4 mile away from their house was the nearest neighbor and Skip had a cabin and he would fish on weekends. My grandparents lived there full time. None of their immediate neighbors did. And again very spread out. You were truly on your own out there if anything happened. That was the last time I ever picked berries alone. I wouldn't go that far into that field either. I would never have my back turned to those trees either after that experience." Lorenzo writes "I have gone back and forth wanting to email you. I'm just going to start from a weird encounter then into the sighting I had. In 2014, My wife and I were visiting her parents in Brookings Oregon, Brookings is a pretty rural area on the southern coast of Oregon on the border of California near the redwoods and being from Southern California it was simply beautiful. My father in law wanted to take us up the Winchuck River to a place called the lundlum house. its an open cabin you can camp at. This cabin is 11 miles up river from the 101. While we were driving up you veer left on wheeler creek rd from Winchuck river road. This road turns into dirt and gravel, while we were driving up a red SUV came flying down the road back towards Winchuck River rd they almost hit us and at the time we thought they were just jerks. We kept going and on the right you see this two story cabin and there is open grass area there's a trail down to the river its beautiful. No one was in the cabin so I went in and explored the cabin and layout. Then I noticed the trail to the river and this is where it got weird. I walk down the trail and I am taking in the scenery I look to my right and see a chair, a fishing pole with the line still in the water and an open beer can almost still full. I found it odd and no one was around... It took me a couple minutes to put it together did those people we past leave this stuff? I showed my wife and we found it odd. November 2016 we were back visiting my in laws with my son who was born in June of 2016. we also had a friend come along and one day we decided to show her the cabin. Right before we do the slight left up the road to the Ludlum house I had an anxious feeling come over me. We were driving slow because we were in a Prius and my son in the car. The river is to our right and around a bend I look down at the river and what I see is something standing upright in the middle of the river and look over its shoulder as we drive past and I say to my wife did you see that and she said yep that was sasquatch. We park in an area where there are camp sights and my wife and our friend get out and I said I am going to stay with the car and the whole time it felt like we were being watch and I basically ushered my friend and her friend back in the car because I didn't like the feeling. Driving back to the main road we were talking about it and we convinced ourselves what we saw we really didn't see it. I was very observant about where I saw the creature and I thought maybe it was a tree or something but I thought I recognized the spot but that spot had nothing in the middle of the river. To me inside I thought oh we did see what we saw and it moved on. Wes ever since that I get a weird feeling going up the Winchuck River after 6 miles, Its beautiful up there but I just don't like going up that way.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:03Speaker 00

  It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that, that shocked me. They don't make people that, that big.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw bears.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  911, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better... Karen, see ya! Hello? Get somebody out of here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

• 1:34Speaker 01

  This is Karen from New Zealand and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles and I'm thankful that I probably will never have one of these encounters.

• 2:15Wes Germer?

  Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you. We'll be chatting with Lorenzo. And Lorenzo had an encounter back in 2016, but kind of a strange incident led up to that encounter. I'll let Lorenzo go into it. We're also going to be chatting with Lindsay. And Lindsay comes to us from Minnesota. And 30 years ago, she was picking berries on her grandfather's farm when she had a run-in, very interesting run-in. Some of the behavior you'll hear, I think you've heard before. But again, I'll let Lindsay go into it. If you've had an encounter and

• 2:59Wes Germer?

  you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. And I'm planning my next live chat for the members sometime this month. I will update you guys on the blog. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Lorenzo to the show. Lorenzo, thanks for coming on.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  Oh, my pleasure. Thank you.

• 3:33Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and you had this encounter in Oregon. The actual sighting was in 2016, but something strange happened in 2014. If you would, just kind of start from the very beginning. What were you doing? And what happened?

• 3:50Speaker 04

  So, two things happened. So in 2014, my in-laws moved up here to the southern Oregon coast. And my wife and I were from Southern California. And, you know, we used to come up all the time with them when they went camping. And when they finally moved here, we came up and visited for a couple of weeks. And Being from Southern California, I've never seen so many trees or green trees and rivers and stuff like that. So my father-in-law was taking us around, you know, he took us up to the Rogue River. Um, and it just showed us around. And then there's a smaller river right there on the border of California.

• 4:32Speaker 04

  And Oregon, it's called the Winchuck River. And he's all, let's go up the Winchuck. And then, uh, so we decided to go up there. And while we were driving, he's all, let's go up to the Ludlum, Ludlum House, which is like a just an empty cabin that people can reserve to camp in. It's, there's a little small campsite up that way. And after you go about eight miles up the Winchuck, it veers left to a dirt road, and that's where the Ludlum House is towards the end of that road. So we went up there and let me back up. When we turned off to the dirt road that leads up to the Ludlum House, we were maybe a half mile on that road. And this SUV comes flying right past us.

• 5:17Speaker 04

  I thought they were gonna hit us head on because how narrow the road is. And we thought that was strange, right? And we just thought, oh, it's just people being people up here in the mountains, you know, and we get to the Ludlum House, we park, and I thought it was so cool because it's a two-story cabin.

• 5:38Speaker 04

  The grounds are kind of maintained around it. And I went and we were checking the inside of it. We were walking on the little trial, trails that go around it. And then there's a little trail that goes down to the creek, uh, if, um, off to the side, the creek feeds into the Winchuck River and, uh, I go down there and it's like a nice little gravel beach and I look to my right. And there is a chair, um, a tackle box, a cooler, and a fishing line that's still in the water, and an open beer can. No one's around. I look around. I call out to see if anybody's there. I go over to it. The beer is actually still cold.

• 6:25Speaker 04

  Kind of weird. So I'm like, all right, maybe it's someone else and he may went to a campsite or something like that. Maybe come back. We didn't. Think anything of it. Until we were driving back because there's a little um right before the Luton House, there's about like a four. Camp spot area and no one's there either. No car. There's no signs. And while we were driving back. I was like, I wonder if those people were getting out there. But you know. The stuff belonged to those people. And then. We just chalked it up like, oh, that's a weird coincidence. Fast forward to two thousand sixteen. Is actually when I saw something.

• 7:07Speaker 04

  Two thousand sixteen, uh my son was just born in June. It's Nov- uh November. And we go up to visit uh our in-laws. And. We brought a friend and she wanted to see all the same rivers because she's from Southern California. And uh we're like, sure. And my wife loves. The Winchuck River, the drive and how it looks up there.

• 7:33Speaker 04

  While we were driving up um and right before we hit. That dirt road to go up to the Luton House. Uneasy feeling. Right? And then. We're going slowly because there's a little bit of waterfalls to your left. So every they're taking in the sights. And there's a bend to the uh road. And let me just take a step back again. I'm sorry, Wes. To our right, it it kind of drops down and you can see the creek that's feeding into the Winchuck River along this road.

• 8:06Speaker 04

  There's a bend and. I look down and.

• 8:12Speaker 04

  We're as we're driving, I see something in the middle of the creek and all of a sudden it looks up at us. And it happened, it it was like not even five seconds that I saw it. And when I looked up, I was like, oh. And then when we pass, uh, continued on the bin, I asked my wife, she goes, yep, that was Sasquatch. And then when we got to the Ludlum house, we just had our newborn baby in the car. They wanted to get out and internally I was, I was terrified. I didn't want to be there anymore.

• 8:48Speaker 04

  So while they were looking, you know, my wife came back to the car and I was like, I think we should go.

• 8:55Speaker 04

  And as well, I convinced them that we should go, we should go check out other sites. We were driving back down that dirt road and I was trying to pay attention to the spot that I saw it. Cause maybe, maybe it was a tree stump or something like that, that just, you know, I thought it was something else, but when we hit the spot where I saw it, that thing wasn't in the middle of the creek anymore.

• 9:19Speaker 04

  And we were driving and we were talking and then I kind of convinced myself and my wife and our friend that, oh, maybe it was just a tree stump. There. But ever since then, fast forward, we moved up here uh, in two thousand nineteen. And every single time we get eight miles up the Winchuck, uneasy feeling like I'm being watched. I don't like going up there. It just creeps me out. And that was pretty much what happened and um, yeah, I have a hard time going up there now.

• 9:56Wes Germer?

  Yeah, the incident in two thousand and fourteen where you guys almost get hit by someone racing out of there. And then you get to the uh, the campsite. It's almost like someone left in a hurry.

• 10:09Speaker 04

  Absolutely. And that, that I didn't put it together, you know, that day, but later on I was like, oh, they definitely got out of their rush. And then I was trying to chalk it up to maybe someone got hurt or something like that, you know? But it it was just too much of a coincidence. And then you fast forward and I, we see what we saw. I was like, oh, definitely they got out of there. Maybe they saw something too. I don't know.

• 10:33Wes Germer?

  Yeah. Can you take me back to that moment when you saw it? Would you describe what you actually saw?

• 10:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, so it's I I will say I saw my wife the other night. It looked like um the perspective, we were looking down. So I don't know exactly how tall it was, but it felt tall. And how do I say this? Like a a fishing captain with, you know, the raincoat, kind of like lift up.

• 11:07Speaker 04

  But furry, definitely dark brown. And it looked like a fisher's captain. If you get what I'm saying with those, you know, yellow jackets and like the hat. But this was all fur. And it looked up like over its shoulder, looking back at us like what is going by? And mind you, we were in 2016 when I saw it. We were in a small Prius and we were going slow. So it wasn't making a lot of noise. But I'm pretty sure something triggered it for it for it to look up back up at us. It looked back out at us. And for a second, it's looking at us and then it goes back to whatever it was looking at before in the water. But

• 11:53Speaker 04

  and I tried to get a perspective. We went back up there not too long ago, about a year or so. And I I I got the gumption to go down to the creek and try to figure how tall it was. I'm 510. It was definitely taller than six feet, even more because of the perspective of looking down.

• 12:16Speaker 04

  But in that split second, it was just looking straight at us like, oh, what's going by up there?

• 12:22Wes Germer?

  Yeah, let me ask you, what was your take on Bigfoot before you saw this thing?

• 12:28Speaker 04

  So Wes, um, when I was younger, when I was about eight, I saw the Patty film and I grew up in Southern California. I was like, there's no way there's something like this in the mountains because I grew up going to Big Bear. I don't know if you're familiar with the San Bernardino Mountains up there, but it's not dense. And I'm like, there's no way that there is such a thing. And as I grew older, you know, it's one of those things like like the Loch Ness and et cetera, et cetera. But I always told myself, if there is something out there, it would be Bigfoot. And when I first met my wife, she took me up to Jedida Smith in the Redwoods.

• 13:11Speaker 04

  Um, which is just south of the border here. It's like no more than eight miles away from where I where we live. And seeing the Redwoods for the first time, it got me like, oh, there's definitely something that could be out here. And that kind of like spiked my interest. I've never really looked into it. Um, I watched, uh, the TV shows, et cetera. And I didn't think anything more than, oh, it might be out there, but never had like, oh, it's definitely out there. Until I actually saw what I saw and started listening to your podcast. And I'm like, there's just too many coincidences. And then I started talking to people around, um, the area here.

• 13:56Speaker 04

  And there is a lot of, a lot of people don't like going past a certain point off the Winchuck River Road.

• 14:04Speaker 04

  There's, you know, they say a whole bunch of things that go on out there. Um, so, but prior to this, it was just like, like a casual interest in, in Sasquatch.

• 14:17Wes Germer?

  Yeah, you know, I found a total of three campsites where either something happened or they left in a hurry. And I can tell you in all three of them, I get a sinking feeling in my stomach. Uh, but in your situation, you know, shortly after that, you had seen the creature near that area. So it makes you wonder, I've never met a fisherman or fisherwoman that leaves their fishing pole behind. I've just never been around one that does and, and leaves it in, you know, still out there cast away. Trying to capture a fish and no one's around. Have you gone back to the Winchuck since then?

• 15:00Speaker 04

  So my brother in law lives on the Winchuck River and uh so when you pull off the main highway, which is the one on one going along the coast, he's not, he's less than a mile in. But once uh I do some work further up, but once I hit the eight mile mark, the uneasy feeling comes back to me. And if I can avoid it, I will. But if I have to go beyond that, if there's some places that I need to go for work beyond that, I go. But it's like my head, it's on the swivel every single time I'm out there because I just have that

• 15:36Speaker 04

  that feeling inside that something is wrong or something is watching. I know something is watching and I don't like that feeling. And and I go for hikes up the Cheko River, up the Rogue River. I don't have that feeling, but every single time I go up there, it's different.

• 15:54Wes Germer?

  I was gonna ask you if it was because of what you saw or if uh there's something hanging around there. You know that feeling of being watched. Maybe there's something hanging around there.

• 16:06Speaker 04

  Uh yeah, there was one episode and I'm sorry, I should have gotten the episode number. But there was uh, I believe it was a father and son um driving from the Grants Pass area back to Crescent City and it's the one ninety nine and they had an encounter. There is a road um off the Winchuck River Road that actually connects to the same area where they saw the encounter back on the one ninety nine. Um, I had a friend offer, hey, I've driven that, let's go for it. And I say yes, but at the same time, I when we decide to do it, I say no, because I don't wanna run into anything.

• 16:46Speaker 04

  Cause he goes, once we get past a certain point, there's like no one around. I was like, yeah, I'm not, I don't wanna take that risk.

• 16:54Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I hear you. And I know it was kind of a brief sighting. Um, I've actually heard many of these where people are driving over bridges over a river and they kind of look down and there's something huge standing in the river, kind of looking back up at them. Um, I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take?

• 17:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I've I've listened to several of your shows and I I feel like. It's a living thing. Um, you know, recently I listened to recent, some recent shows and talking about portals or having um, lights, balls of light interact. I don't, I don't know, but to me, I think it's a living and breathing thing. Um, that's how I feel about it. But I feel like up in that area, or when someone has that feeling that something is kind of off, um, I don't know how to explain that. If it's spiritual or supernatural, I have no idea.

• 17:59Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I'm not so sure that, you know, that feeling is something paranormal. I think that's something within ourselves that we have for protection. Uh, you know, it's like that feeling in your gut, or the feeling of being watched, or, um, you know, I, but I get where you're coming from. The, the other thing I wanted to ask you is about your wife. I know when you guys were first saw it, she looked down and was like, oh yeah, that's, that looks like a Sasquatch. But later on, uh, you know, after the incident, what was that conversation like?

• 18:34Speaker 04

  So my wife is very practical, right? And when she said, yep, I just, that was Sasquatch. But afterwards, um, she talked about like, oh, there's a lot of things that could play with our mind in, in different situations. But when I was telling them like, but we both saw the same thing, right? It's not one of us. You know, that looked over and saw it was both of us. When I asked her, I'm like, did you see that? And her reaction was like, yep, that was Sasquatch. Um, to our conversation heading back down, um, she was like, well, maybe we just saw stump and it just looked exactly what maybe Sasquatch looks like and the way we are moving, you know, it, it moved because the angle

• 19:19Speaker 04

  of how we were driving by could have been just a tree stump. And I was like, well, maybe, but I saw movement. I saw show, you know, when you look behind you like, are who's behind me? That's like subtle shoulder movement and the head turn. I was like, but that was too much rotation on something to be looking and looking up at us. I just couldn't buy it. But I chalked it up like, uh, okay, you know, we convinced ourselves that it was a tree stump.

• 19:52Speaker 04

  And then recently this past year, when I've been going up the Winchuck River for work, I was like, man, I don't know, you know, it this uneasy feeling. I asked other locals who've been living here longer than anything.

• 20:07Speaker 04

  We did, we did work on his house and this lady, um, her parents built a house and she built another house right there along the Winchuck River. And I asked her and she goes, oh yeah, I've seen them several times. And to me, I was like, well, okay, that's, that's less than three miles away from where I saw this. I don't know, you know, like it was so casual in the way she was saying like, oh yeah, I've seen them, you know, like,

• 20:33Speaker 04

  it confirmed like, hmm, what I saw is what I saw and it was real.

• 20:38Wes Germer?

  Yeah, you know, I could see someone driving over a bridge and seeing a tree stump. Um, I don't know about in the middle of the river, but uh, and thinking they're seeing something that they're not, but tree stumps don't look over their shoulder and look up as you're going by. And the fact that you went back and this quote unquote tree stump wasn't there.

• 21:01Speaker 04

  It wasn't and, and I wanted to spend more time. You know, I wanted to stop and get down there and look and spend more time. And then when we went back up again, and I actually went down to the creek and look in that spot, there are no stumps anywhere that I can find. That was like, also another sign, like I did see something because I can't find anything like that. It would have been a pretty big stump for anybody to drag off or for the creek to get full enough to push it. And the angle just didn't feel right.

• 21:36Wes Germer?

  Yeah, especially the way you and your wife reacted to it makes me, uh, makes me think obviously it wasn't a tree stump. You know, the name of the river sounds familiar.

• 21:47Speaker 04

  It's a smaller river. Um, it's so if you, I mean, really, if you look at a map and if you go to the border of California and you look at the one on one, and if you go into Oregon, it's the first river. And then you can, you can see,

• 22:03Speaker 04

  it's pinned, the Bloodland House is pinned and you can see all around it. But, uh, yeah, it goes way back there. And then um, I I wish I wrote down the episode number, but you can see you can connect a line pretty much all the way to um, where that father and son were talking about is like how trans like stationed along the 199, it pretty much connects right around there. So that area, as much as I want to explore it, I'm very wary about going up back that way.

• 22:38Wes Germer?

  Yeah, maybe that's why it sounds uh, so familiar, the uh, the Winchuck River and uh, the especially that Ludlum House. Um, maybe that was the episode you're referencing, because God, that sounds so familiar for some reason. Uh, but the general area, it really doesn't surprise me that you would see one there. And I know it was kind of a brief sighting, but um, I really appreciate you coming on, Lorenzo. I enjoyed chatting with you.

• 23:09Speaker 04

  Oh, thank you, Wes. Um, it's just, it feels good to share with like, not like-minded people, but kind of understanding. And um, yeah, this summer I may go, I may, you know, be brave enough to take my friend up on his offer to drive up there and spend some time up there and take a look around.

• 23:28Speaker 04

  But maybe not, I don't.

• 23:30Wes Germer?

  Well, let me know if you do, man, and stay in touch. Let me know if anything happens if you uh, if you go back up there, but uh, thank you again for coming on.

• 23:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, thank you, Wes, for having me on.

• 23:55Wes Germer?

  And I came across uh, this vocalization by a YouTuber and a Bigfoot researcher. He goes by Grassman58. Um, I actually subscribe to his channel. I, I like the stuff he posts. Uh, but this vocalization that he posted, personally, I think it's wolves. I know in Arizona, they have the uh, Mexican gray wolf. And I hear a bunch of wolves in this vocalization. And I'm not criticizing him for posting it, uh, even though I think it's wolves. I think it's a very cool uh, vocalization. Either way, this would get your attention at night.

• 24:37Speaker 05

  So a few days after my camping trip, I received a text message from a fellow Bigfoot-er that I know that lives in Spokane. He was looking for a place to go for a one-nighter. And he was wondering if I had any ideas of where to go. So I was like, "Yeah." So I sent him to the AZ Zone. I was hoping he might, you know, have a chance to experience something out there. So he went out for a one-nighter. And he caught a very, very interesting vocalization around 12:57 a.m. on May 22nd. So have a listen. Him and I both discussed this vocalization quite a bit. I listened to it at least 100 times already.

• 25:21Speaker 05

  And we think there could be multiple subjects vocalizing at the same time by the tail end of it. So have a listen to it.

• 26:46Wes Germer?

  I still hear wolves. But like I said before, no hate, all love. Grassman58, even if it is wolves, that is a very cool vocalization. Next up on the show, I want to welcome Lindsey. Lindsey, welcome to the show. Thank you for being here.

• 27:04Speaker 06

  Thanks Wes.

• 27:05Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and you had this incident, uh, growing up on your grandfather's farm there in Minnesota. If you would just kind of start from the very beginning, what were you doing and what happened?

• 27:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, I was about, um, I would say like 11 or 10, 10 or 11. I wasn't very old. Um, and this happened, uh, near Round Lake in northern Minnesota and, um, kind of near the Detroit Lakes area, but out of ways. So maybe like 40 minutes outside of that. And, um, back then my grandparents had a raspberry farm and a lot of the local people knew about it. And my grandma would allow people to pick their own raspberries or you could go out there and we would pick them for you. And that's what I was doing. Um, it was early in the morning. Um, the sun had just started to kind of peek through the trees. Um, it was still like very, you know,

• 28:03Speaker 06

  a lot of dew on the, on the leaves and it was still kind of, you know, a little bit dark through the deep woods that are all the way surrounding all three sides of the berry patch. And this happened, um, they had berries on the front of the home and then like behind, behind the home and kind of to the left there and then extended quite a ways. And, um, I was back about three quarters of the way deep. So basically near the line of trees, which were very tall trees. They blocked out a lot of the light when, when it was early like that. And I was picking, um, down some rows and I didn't even notice anything going on.

• 28:44Speaker 06

  And I was going towards the woods. So like, as you are looking at it, like back up towards the house, but I was going towards the woods. So I was picking, you know, down one row, then the next. And I had, um, a flat of berries, which is basically like 12 pints of them. So I'd been out there for a while. I probably had picked maybe eight pints and I was just basically gonna complete that one bunch, um, and to bring them back. And as I was on what I thought would have been my last row, I noticed that there was something on the other side of the bush picking also. And

• 29:23Speaker 06

  At first I thought it was a bear because that's common up there. They're very common. They've got black bear. And but what was different about this, um, it had kind of more of a reddish auburn kind of brown. I don't know how to really describe that besides it wasn't a dark black like most of the bears that I'd seen out there. And the other thing is there was two little ones next to it, which I had thought were cubs. But they never, I never saw their faces. It was almost like they were balled up on the ground, like looking the other direction. And I do remember specifically

• 30:05Speaker 06

  like the sound of picking berries, not like eating them off of a bush, which I feel like would would have caused more sound and whatever, because I didn't even really know they were there. Until I was too close to do a thing about it. So what I did do was to just kind of pick and then skip a few bushes, pick a few more, and then I made my way back up to my grandparents' house and my grandfather, um, obviously I let them know what was going on. But I didn't really have words. I'd never heard of anything like that as a kid. So I had kind of told him it was a bear because I just didn't really know what I was seeing. But it's the only thing that was big enough to describe what I did see.

• 30:46Speaker 06

  And it was massive behind the bush. Um, it, I mean, it was so much bigger than me. That's why like the bear thing never really fit because black bear, I don't think get as big as this was. Um, it never did stand up. I never got a look at its face, but the hair I got a really good look at and it was kind of like not, it wasn't fully like straight hair, but it reminded me of human hair. Um, in a sense, because it was like, I would say like five or maybe six inches long and. And like I said, it it seemed like it had turned away from me, even though it had been picking from the same side, like but the other side of the bush that I was on.

• 31:28Speaker 06

  But it seemed like when I got close and when it saw me, when I saw it, it kind of like seemed like it turned away, so I didn't get a good look. Um, at the face of it or the features of it. I just got a really good look at the hair and knew that it was a massive thing. Behind this bush and it scared the crap out of me. I um, I wouldn't, I never went down to that berry patch without my grandparents like after that. Um, I used to go in those woods and play, um, cause there was a creek back there. And it butts up to um, an Indian reservation is kind of all that area and it's the Tamarack area for listeners that might know.

• 32:09Speaker 06

  That area, um, and the lake was round lake and they weren't on the lake, but they were like back set behind the lake. And um, it it was a really pretty area, but um, after that experience, it for sure scared me. And they'd had something else happen on the property there. And I'm not really sure if it was this or something different, like a person, but um, they used to have a uh. Like a camper that was kind of out in that area where those um, berries were that back field. And they had a camper kind of in the woods on the right side of it. At some point, something broke into it, but what's really strange is you know how the campers have those stairs?

• 32:54Speaker 06

  That are off the front that are like, you know, two to three feet off the ground, whatever this was ripped the corner of the door open. Like from the top corner and I would have thought that if it had been like a bear or something that it would have like. Left all kinds of scratch marks and stuff like that, but that wasn't the case. And when you went in it, it was like, it was almost like something had gone into the cabinets and stuff and ripped all the things out of it. So that was also weird and there wasn't really any food there. Um, usually that what what we use that for is hunting. Um, a lot of times, um, there was a uh. Kind of like a area in there where you could um grind up the meat and that kind of thing.

• 33:36Speaker 06

  They had a grinder in there and that and so it was like that's what we used it for is our family would, you know, hunt deer in the area, which were plentiful, by the way, and that's where they would clean them. So um I I could definitely see why something like a bear would want to get into it. It was just that what happened there at that camper didn't look like a bear from my estimation. But again, I was young when this happened and um I they they did sell that farm um to a native uh lady. And so she is now the caretaker of it, but I always thought that that was a weird situation that I had experienced as a kid and it has obviously been something that has stayed with me forever.

• 34:18Speaker 06

  Um, I just recently started being able to go into the woods here as an adult. I'm like, you know, forty five, so um that's how scared I was of what happened. Um, I, you know, like I said, I just didn't really know what I saw initially because I had never really heard of Bigfoot or Sasquatch or any of those things. So I didn't really have words for what I saw as a kid. But as an adult, when I'm hearing other people talk about these, I'm pretty sure that that's what I did um encounter that day. And um like I said, it was specifically picking berries, not eating them off a bush,

• 34:59Speaker 06

  which would have been so much louder. Um, I would have noticed that sound from a while before I got came up to it. It was so quiet and stealthy. Um, that was the thing that kind of like stuck in my head is how quiet and stealthy it was um to be finding it right there, you know, in front of you and just, I mean, like I said, I didn't panic, but I as a kid, I was I was terrified. This thing was definitely um, you know, way larger than me in mass as far as like, you know, shoulder build or whatever, like how wide it was. It I I just knew that if I had run, it would have gotten me and I'd have been dead. That's that's my feeling.

• 35:41Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that's interesting. So as you're walking up, um, and you saw three of these, they were kind of on the other side of the berry bush. Were they picking the berries and eating them?

• 35:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's, that's what I heard was like something that was picking berries. And I think all three of them were the big one and the two small ones. I think they were all picking and eating them. And I think where they lived, there was a creek that ran um through the back part of my grandfather's property. And there was beavers back there and they would dam it up. But I had gone out there a couple of times and they had those big bushes, those ones with those little red berries on them, the circular red ones. And at one point in time, I saw something that looked like kind of a bed underneath, like kind of like something held up the bushes so that it could slide underneath it and lay there. I had seen something that looked like kind of a nest under there one time. Um, and that was another weird thing.

• 36:35Speaker 06

  But I had never really seen these before. My grandfather did have the whole property lit up like Fort Knox. I mean, it was bright lights all the way around the home and you know, kind of extending back to the, to the start of that berry patch, but then there was no lights from there on. So I could see why nothing would have come up to the actual home. Um, but back there, it's, it was completely wooded. Besides the berry patch, like it's like they had, you know, put that in, cleared the land, put the berries in. And it takes, you know, five to seven years for those mature, uh, matured berries to really um, produce the way that some of them, uh, some of them do.

• 37:16Speaker 06

  And um, they were very mature trees. So I definitely um, or bushes. They were very mature. So they were definitely producing a lot. And, and when I say that is you could pick them, you know, one day and then they'd be ready to go again in like a week or two. So it was really. A good, a good situation if, you know, for them because we wouldn't have known. And they wouldn't have, you know, if they were doing it very early in the morning or something or at night, we, there's no way we would have known. And I normally, um, we didn't normally go out there at that time. It's just we had an order. Um, for a lot of berries, like somebody wanted a bunch of them for their family. So that's what I was doing was getting a head start on it because by,

• 37:59Speaker 06

  um, by like ten and eleven, you know, it'd be like ninety degrees with humidity and it was miserable out there picking. So I, I had tried to get an early start. My grandparents weren't even out, um, at that time. They were still eating breakfast. Um, when I'd went out there. So that's why I was alone out there. Um, but that never happened again. I never, I never went out there by myself. Um. Not ever. I, I was terrified to do that. I, I did get like, you know, a feeling of dread and a feeling of,

• 38:31Speaker 06

  you're not welcome here. I guess that's the best way I can describe it. And I didn't know really what to do. Like I said, my child brain was, be slow, don't run, pick around them, pick to the end, walk back up slowly. That's, that's exactly what I did. And I think if I would have done anything different than that, I don't know if it would have gone the same way.

• 38:56Wes Germer?

  Why did you continue to pick berries?

• 38:59Speaker 06

  I was terrified. I don't know. I, I thought that it didn't do anything to me while I was picking the berries. So like, I thought if I changed up my pattern, that it would, have recognized that and, you know, I guess come after me. That's what I was scared of. Um, it hadn't done anything aggressive towards me. So I figured if I just picked around it, which I did do, I skipped like a few feet. Um, it was literally right on the other side of the, of the bush. Um, and it could have reached up over the bush and grabbed me if it was, if they, if it was as tall as people say, that's seven or eight feet. That definitely towers over these berry bushes, which, you know, are about four, four and a half to five feet tall is how,

• 39:42Speaker 06

  how big a mature berry bush is for raspberry. So, and then the bushes are about, you know, maybe one and a half to two, two and a half feet wide. But like I said, you could, you could certainly, um, you could certainly see the, the brownish chestnut slash, you know, reddish colored hair through it. And it was long, you know, longer hair than, um, than a bear. And that's what kind of caught me like, I didn't know what to describe it as, but it, but I just like, the only thing that I could tell my parent or my grandparents was that it was a bear because that's the closest thing I had in my vocabulary.

• 40:21Speaker 06

  To express like the scariness of it and you know, also to have my grandfather go down and try to, you know, make sure that it was out of there, but he never, when he went down there and fired off the shots. They weren't there anymore because he was waiting to see them scatter and they didn't. So they, they bugged out right after I did. So I think, um, that also kind of shows to me some intelligence on their end. Um, I don't think they were expecting to see me. I was sure not expecting to see them. And I had no idea anything like that existed in, like I said, northern Minnesota, nor did I even really know about Sasquatch or Bigfoot back then. I had no idea. I, like I said, I was going at it from

• 41:02Speaker 06

  the known animals in the area, which would have been a black bear. And that's about the only thing that it could have been. Aside from what I believe that it is as an adult, when I sit back and sit about that and, and really think about, it sounded like my grandma or somebody, just like you or I, picking the berries on the other end. That's what it sounded like. Just like picking the berry, you know, instead of putting it in a basket, maybe holding on to it or eating it. And I mean, what a good food source.

• 41:34Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I've never heard of, um, a bear picking berries, but I have heard of, uh, Sasquatch definitely picking berries. How far away from the home was this, uh, berry patch?

• 41:47Speaker 06

  Um, I would say like, probably what would be equivalent to like, um, you would go kind of to the left of the home. And then it would be like a city block back. Um, city blocks tend to be a little bit bigger than, but it was about a city block back and that was the start of the thing. And then it went back. You know, like twenty some odd rows and those rows were spaced out out by three or four feet because there was plenty of room for somebody to, you know, pick on one side and somebody to go be picking on the other side and then for to pass without touching. So it was decently spread out and there was two different, um, I guess you could say like patches back there.

• 42:27Speaker 06

  They had like kind of a middle line that went through it and then, you know, another twenty rows on the other side. It was big. It was big.

• 42:36Wes Germer?

  So you're kind of on one side of the berry patch and they're on the other side. How far away from you wa- was these creatures and do you think that they noticed you were there?

• 42:49Speaker 06

  Oh yeah, they noticed me before I noticed them. That was what was so scary about it for me. Um, because and, and when I say that I was probably maybe four feet tops. Yeah. Yeah.

• 43:00Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that's really close, especially when you're looking through, you know, the sticker bushes at the saying. What was their reaction? I mean, what made you think that they had seen you?

• 43:11Speaker 06

  Because of the fact that the little ones turned away and were like doing this ball thing. And that the mother, I believe in the mother turned also, so I couldn't see it. It, they both, they were all crouched down like in ball shapes is the best way I can describe it.

• 43:28Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that whole ball, ball shape thing. Um, there was an encounter, I sure wish I could remember the actual numbers of, uh, which one it was, but it was a guy and he had his two kids with them. And they had seen a family group and when the family group had, actually, I think it was a younger female had noticed them. There was kind of a commotion and then he said they all got down into like a ball shape, almost like a rock. Um, and I had another hunter tell me that he said it got down. And it was kind of a gray, kind of a blackish gray color.

• 44:09Wes Germer?

  And it's got down into this ball motion and from a distance, he said, it almost looked like a rock. You know, one time I was out at this property and I was talking to the homeowner and I had asked her, "Hey, have you talked to your neighbors?" And it was dusk when we were talking. It was almost dark. And she said, "No, I'm not gonna go over there and they're gonna think I'm crazy. You know, if I say this thing's running around on my property." And eventually it got dark. Well, the next door neighbor, the whole area was lit up like a football field. And I looked over at her and I said, "Oh, your neighbor knows that they're here." I mean, people out in the country don't light up their property, you know, like a prison

• 44:55Wes Germer?

  out there unless there's something going on, unless there's something they want to try and keep out. And you had mentioned your grandfather had kind of lit up his property like Fort Knox. Do you think he knew that they were there?

• 45:08Speaker 06

  I never got to ask him because he passed on before I really had the vocabulary and the, you know, knowledge of these creatures existing because I didn't really know what they were until I got into my late teens. And he had, he had passed by that point and they'd moved before that. So, um, yeah, I didn't ever get a chance to talk to him. I asked my uncles to see, because they hunted back there to see if they'd seen anything. And they both said that they hadn't, but they were also not looking. And also, you know, hunting season out there is kind of a big deal and you have a lot of people stomping through the area. So, you know, there's a lot of noise initially and they had a blind back there that they set up that kind of was like a glue

• 45:52Speaker 06

  shape and they would kind of overlook that little creek that went through there from that blind. And that's where they, where they would get most of their deer, bucks and does, whatever they had permits for. So, um, yeah, it was, it was definitely a fertile area. Um, anybody that hunts up there and knows somebody with hunting land up there knows that you're gonna get a buck. And you know, they they had every type of food that they could imagine. Right there. So it and water. So you know. When I sit back and think about like, what a sweet situation. You've got berries in the summer. You have deer and other wildlife. Deer is just the one thing that they have plenty of, but there's other stuff. So. Um, yeah, I.

• 46:35Speaker 06

  It it kind of, it makes me wonder, and I wish I'd gotten the chance to talk to my grandfather about that. Um, but he. He wound up um, kind of going really fast and um, they had sold the property when his health started kind of declining. In in the in the late eighty or late late nineties, sorry, late nineties. Um, so that's kind of, this happened in. Yeah, I'm forty five now and I was about twelve. And so it was a couple of years after that that they wound up selling. So. Um, not too long either. But yeah, I never got to cha- um, check with him and my grandma didn't, you know, she didn't really, she had dementia at the end, so she never really. Was able to tell me.

• 47:15Speaker 06

  Um, if she had seen anything. Plus, I also think my grandma was the sort of person that would have um, kind of ignored it. And been like, I didn't see that, you know. She was that kind of person. And I mean, northern Minnesota, the people up there are like salt of the, salt of the earth people. And I think a lot of times you might not get a lot of. Um, discussion about something like that from up there, because people and family groups are pretty uh, close knit. And um, like I said before I came on to your show, I I I talked to my family first to make sure it was okay. Because I didn't want to disrespect anybody and I didn't want to. Cause any waves for anybody. So I did talk to my uncle and I talked to my. My mom and I talked to, you know, some of the other cousins.

• 47:59Speaker 06

  Um, just to make sure that they thought it was okay to to talk to you and and to do the show.

• 48:04Wes Germer?

  You know, I know you had mentioned um, you'd come across kind of a weird nest and then there was the incident with the trailer. We, do you remember as a kid running around this property, if you ever heard any weird vocalizations or? A- anything like that?

• 48:22Speaker 06

  You know, that was the other thing. I never really like, um, you know, some people talk about like the siren sounds that they hear and stuff like that. I never heard that, um, but what I did hear was owl sounds kind of a lot. And what was really goofy, though, is I never really thought that they were actually owls. There was something off about them. I couldn't put my finger on it, but it, but it sounded like owl sounds and I would hear that. Sometimes being, um, you know, a kid playing out there, um, or picking when I, you know, when I got older to pick. But I did definitely hear that and it was day or night. It didn't matter what time of day. And I thought that was kind of also weird too, because traditionally you think of owls being only up at night.

• 49:04Speaker 06

  But yeah, that was kind of the sound that I would hear, but I didn't hear like, you know, some people talk about wood knocks. And some people talk about like that Ohio sound. I, I don't think I ever heard anything like that on the property. But I was only up there for the summers. That was kind of, I was basically helping out my grandparents on the farm during summers. So that was the time of year that I was up there. Not really very much in the winter. Sometimes we'd go for Christmas or something.

• 49:30Wes Germer?

  After your grandparents passed, and I know that you said the property was sold, but have you ever actually gone back there?

• 49:38Speaker 06

  Honestly, um, I had been back, um, you know, until they sold it. So yeah, I'd been there, um, every summer afterwards until I was probably like, I don't know. It was just a couple of seasons. So it was maybe only three seasons before they sold it, um, after that instance happened. Um, so yeah, I was back up there the summers for that, but then they sold it because my grandfather's health had kind of started going backwards. And they were too far out of Detroit Lakes to really get, you know, medical if they needed it. So, um, I think that's why they moved to Detroit Lakes then, um, and got a place that was much closer because they were really forty five, forty five ish minutes outside of Detroit Lakes.

• 50:21Speaker 06

  Um, it would have been, you know, quicker as the crow flies, but of course roads out there. Um, and so, yeah, I, I definitely, um, Understood why they sold it. It it did definitely that property had special meaning for the grandchildren specifically. Um, we definitely miss it. But having that experience definitely also told me there's something more than normal activity there too. But no, I never really, um, I never really heard some of the specific things that you that you that other guests have told you about. That's not something that I recall. And I never really saw any kind of lights or anything like that in that area. You know, some people report that too, and I just nothing like that.

• 51:05Speaker 06

  It was just basically this one situation that I had. And then that the camper having been broken in from the top corner of the door being peeled down. That's the best way I could describe it peeled down until the handle and the lock opened. And it always stayed like that. We tried to bend it back and we could never get it all the way flush again. But I've seen bears do stuff since then in Alaska. And there's always scratch marks everywhere on the outside of the home or whatever before they break in. And this didn't have any of that, not at all. It was just like something peeled the the door off or down and to the right so that it popped open. It was just the corner of it. It just, it was almost like it grabbed it by the corner, like with its fingers underneath

• 51:50Speaker 06

  it and pulled as hard as it could until it opened. That's, that's the way it looked anyway.

• 51:56Wes Germer?

  You know, bears will do that. They will break into those campers, especially if it's like a hunting camper and your grandfather and you know, his sons were in there cleaning animals. I could definitely see a bear doing that. But having said that, just as you were just saying, Lindsay, you you'll always recognize when a bear did it. You'll see evidence, oh, it was a bear. Because of the claw marks, because of the bite marks, because of, I mean, there's so many different things. Uh, that's weird about it, kind of peeling, peeling the door back. I had mentioned to you earlier, I'd I'd heard of them getting into like that ball position. And some people saying they look like boulders.

• 52:40Wes Germer?

  When you saw them do that, what's your take on that behavior? What, why do you think that they did that?

• 52:46Speaker 06

  I think they were trying to protect themselves. I guess for me, but in a way I feel like they were trying to not be seen or to minimize their presence.

• 52:58Speaker 06

  But it, you know, it wasn't, obviously, like, I noticed it. I was scared of it. I didn't smell anything. Some people report like really foul odors. I didn't smell anything like that. Of course, the wind was kind of coming from my back area, going towards them. So I think they knew that I was there before I knew that they were there. And like I said, it wasn't until I got close that I heard berry picking sounds. And initially, I had actually assumed that my grandma had slipped past me. Cause I thought it was her initially. And I believe I might have even said something like grandma, you know, whatever, but then realized it wasn't grandma. Uh, yeah, it scared me. It scared me bad when I realized that it wasn't grandma or grandpa there. Yeah.

• 53:40Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I can imagine. What do you, um, what do you think Sasquatch is? I ask everyone and there's no wrong answer, but I'm, I'm curious. What, what do you think that they are?

• 53:52Speaker 06

  I think, um, I think they're close to us. Actually, I, based upon the the behavior of it, based upon what it did. I mean, I feel like it's kind of a higher intelligence than a normal bear or something like that. I, I do think it had intelligence behind it. With the way it concealed itself and turned and, and I think it was trying to, you know, minimize like my fear as well, almost. Um, and I think, I can only think that that's because maybe it was a mother with two babies that it was, you know, more kind than maybe some of the other encounters that I hear where it might be a male. I think, I think she was just trying to keep her young safe.

• 54:33Speaker 06

  Um, and pick the berries and get some food, you know, basically on the table for them. And that's kind of my take is I think it, I think they're very closely related to us. I do because the intelligence level that I experienced was high. And I don't think, um, I don't think you would have gotten that kind of, um, behavior with, with a bear. I think a bear is either on off. Um, you're food, you're not food. And I think there's no, um, no, in middle ground between that. They're either gonna check you out or they're gonna let you go by. And that's kind of what my experience has been with bears outside of this situation, obviously.

• 55:10Wes Germer?

  Yeah, you know, with bears, the one thing you can be assured of is if you stumble across a mother and her cubs, she's going to kill you. Uh, but with regard to these creatures, you're thinking it's more basically kind of more man?

• 55:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, I do. I think that they're an offshoot of us somehow. Maybe um something, you know, back when we went one direction with Neanderthal, they went the other direction with something else like. Cause I they just they like my guesstimation is they seemed very at home. Doing what they were doing and I know that it just based upon what I saw, that wasn't the first time they'd been. Taking berries. We just never saw it before. I don't think anybody ever and they might be doing it. At certain times of day when they knew nobody was gonna be there, but I just happened to go out way early that morning. Um, probably about an hour, you know, it was like I said, it was just starting to get light out.

• 56:05Speaker 06

  So I was out there early, early and I've we've never been out there that early before. So I think I caught them in the act and. Um, yeah, and and just their behavior though, because I like if it wanted to, it could have killed me easily. I mean, I would have been so I was I was probably a hundred pounds or less. And I was tiny, I was thin and and and scrawny, so it could have. It could have killed me easily and it didn't. And instead it chose to be quiet. And to try to minimize its existence on, you know, even though I did see it. But I think because I continued to pick the way I did. I think I put it at ease and myself at ease, but then, like I said, I got to the end of the row.

• 56:48Speaker 06

  I had picked maybe, you know, twenty berries between where that happened and the end of the road, just enough to like. Continue to make noise or whatever. When I got to the end of the row, I went back a row. Then back a row and I I retreated really slowly to get to my grandma because I didn't want to startle it and I didn't want it to come after me. But I also never turned my back because I still had that feeling of. Oh, my God, you're screwed, you know? Oh, my God, you're screwed. So I just, I tried to do it slowly, quietly. And I tried to retreat back and and like I said, by the time Grandpa got down there with the gun. He said that he shot off a bunch of different, you know, shots. But they he didn't see anything, so they had skeedaddled right after I had gotten out of there. I think they stayed probably crouching and then.

• 57:33Speaker 06

  Just as soon as they saw that I wasn't there, I think they left also.

• 57:38Wes Germer?

  Yeah, you know, I I talked to a hu- two hunters one time on the phone. Uh, one of them said it was Bigfoot. The other one absolutely would not say it was Bigfoot. He said it was a a bear, but the one thing that they agreed upon was it was picking berries. I'm like, bears don't, bears don't pick berries. But I have heard of that that ball motion, you know, getting down and kind of getting in a ball motion that you describe. I've heard it a handful of times and it's fascinating to me because the larger one could have just killed you. There's really no need to get down into like a ball motion. So.

• 58:19Speaker 06

  And it was just like I said, I was looking for like a tail or something like that and I didn't see it. And I was like, that's really weird. And I couldn't also see their feet either because I think it was like they sat on them or something and rolled up. It was just the tightest little ball. The little ones I would say were like maybe, you know, maybe three feet in a ball, like a three football. And the big one was a much larger ball. And I would say if I had to guess, um, it was at least six feet, maybe closer to seven. If I were to guess what it would be like when it stood up, because it was, you know, three quarters of the bush tall as a ball. So big, very big. And like I said, it was so wide. That was the part of it that just didn't, it wasn't a bear, you know, because bears,

• 59:03Speaker 06

  I know they're wide, but this was like, you know, Mack truck wide, whereas a bear is like, oh, you know, like three or four feet wide. This was, this was big. And I just, I can't help but to think like it covered what was essentially two bushes with its wide body. That's how big. And those bushes, like I said, are, you know, two and a half ish feet um, wide roughly. So that that's how, that's kind of the size of it. And it was very large. And like I said, if it wanted to kill me, I would, I wouldn't be here talking to you today, Wes. I would have been dead if it wanted to. And it didn't. I don't, I think it was just content with eating the berries and letting me get out of there and it getting out of there. And everybody went their own way.

• 59:44Wes Germer?

  Yeah, it's always a good day when everyone lives and gets to go home and no one dies. And I think for the most part Sasquatch will leave you alone if you don't screw with them. Um, and I think that, you know, they might do their theatrics as far as trying to scare you, get you to try and leave, but I think for the most part they'll leave you alone. You see it a lot of times with, uh, children when they have encounters. Uh, Sasquatch isn't quite as aggressive as they might be with a hunter or something like that. It's an amazing account. I really appreciate you taking the time to, uh, come on the show and share it.

• 1:00:26Speaker 06

  Appreciate it, Wes.

• 1:00:28Wes Germer?

  Thanks again, Lindsay. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.

• 1:01:42Speaker 07

  So we put my spirit a little wiser Put the lights on Turn the incense in a quieter With the lights on This is my home Close your eyes Memories of you dear Untie your eyes Close at the sky I'll miss my ride Memories of you dear

• 1:02:34Speaker 07

  Put the lights on This is my home Close your eyes Memories of you dear Untie your eyes Close at the sky I'll miss my ride Memories of you dear

• 1:03:39Speaker 07

  Say you're just in here And it's my relief 'Cause I found the key to the door

• 1:03:50Speaker 07

  So I hope you're dying And I'll make you stay Don't miss it, you're waiting

• 1:04:00Speaker 07

  Say you're just in here And it's my relief 'Cause I found the key to the door