#298 - The Terrifying Truth about 5G, Wi-Fi & Cell Phone Radiation | Tristan Scott

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Tristan Scott is an Electrical Engineer (M. S.) and current Head of Operations & Marketing at Daylight Computer Co. He has deeply researched the connection between electromagnetism and human biology, with a specific interest in how man made electromagnetic fields (EMFs) could have a potential negative impact on human health. SPONSORS https://square.com/go/danny - Sign up at this link to get up to $200 off Square hardware. https://americanfinancing.net/jones - Use the link or call 888-995-2440 today. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS https://www.instagram.com/tristan_health https://x.com/bitcoinand_beef https://tristanhealth.substack.com https://daylightcomputer.com FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - EMF testing in Danny's home 09:29 - Gov. ban on incandescent lights 19:29 - Utility costs in California 21:25 - Why blue light is toxic 31:59 - Military EMF experiments 40:40 - Phonegate 50:02 - Telecom-funded EMF studies 55:14 - EMFs & leukemia 01:04:44 - The science of 5G 01:13:30 - RFK & the telecommunications act of 1996 01:22:21 - Daylight computer 01:40:04 - Military directed energy weapons 01:48:42 - Electricity is causing chronic disease 02:01:30 - The resilience of human life 02:06:35 - Brian Johnson on EMFs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:07Danny Jones?

  Tristan Scott, nice to meet you, bro.

• 0:09Speaker 01

  Thanks for having me, man.

• 0:10Danny Jones?

  So, uh, tell the world what you just did to my house. You just basically ran all your crazy meters and found out that me and my wife are are barbecuing ourselves every night when we go to sleep.

• 0:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, we did a little EMF testing. So I had a radio frequency meter that is testing the power density of radio frequency EMFs. We had a multi-meter to specifically look at AC body voltage, which is the electric fields from your electrical power inducing an AC voltage on your body, which to me is a great way to test, um, how high of EMF exposure from the power frequencies you're getting.

• 0:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 0:51Speaker 01

  And then we looked at some magnetic field stuff as well. But for you, we honed in on the bedrooms, which I think is most important because especially someone like yourself, you're not working at home. You're pretty much coming home, you know, lounging and then going to bed, right?

• 1:06Danny Jones?

  Eating and sleeping and it's basically what I do at home.

• 1:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. So the sleep sanctuary for me is, is most important because you can not avoid EMF exposure at all. You definitely have less control during the day when you need to get work done. But if you can go home and get a restorative night of sleep, that's when you're going through cell repair. That's when you're mitigating the damage that you just incurred throughout the whole day. So if you're going home and sleeping in a super hot bedroom in regards to EMFs and you're looking at a blue lit screen right before bed, you're really not going to sleep as well. So you might be getting the numbers in terms of hours, but you're not getting the quality. And that's why we're seeing some of these chronic diseases younger and younger. So what we did was we measured the RFs in specific areas

• 1:49Speaker 01

  and we found out that the cameras you have for your children's bedroom, the baby monitor, especially in your bedroom, was a super high source of radio frequencies. I was actually shocked because unlike a cell phone, which is very pulse, like every eight to 10 seconds, let's say, it hits this peak.

• 2:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  That baby monitor. In your room seem to be almost consistent and it was right on your wife's nightstand. So it was at like a hundred thousand micro watts per meter squared, which is very, very high.

• 2:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:21Speaker 01

  Um, that's, that's pretty much the power density of a, you know, out outgoing cellphone transmission like constantly.

• 2:30Danny Jones?

  Right here. It's a, it's going from 75, jumping from 48, 48,000 to 87,000.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  That was on the bed.

• 2:39Danny Jones?

  112,000.

• 2:40Speaker 01

  That was on the bed like a foot away.

• 2:41Danny Jones?

  That was a couple of feet away from the baby monitor.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  So that's a problem because that's what you're sleeping next to.

• 2:47Danny Jones?

  Oh, look, 403,000.

• 2:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50Danny Jones?

  That was right next to the baby monitor.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that's what you're sleeping next to pretty much all night long. So we can get into why that's a problem. But we, we did our best to mitigate that. And, and what I was preaching earlier is that really distance is your best friend. Because electromagnetic waves and fields have inverse square law. So if you put a two X or a three X distance between you and the source, you're actually two square, which is four, three square, which is nine. Reduce the intensity of that field. So even putting a foot, even putting a few inches away from the source, like your phone, like that baby monitor, like your wifi router can make a tremendous difference. So we, what do we agree on? We agreed to, you should put the baby monitor across the room.

• 3:34Danny Jones?

  Side of the room. Yeah. And then we're also.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  Phones on airplane mode.

• 3:38Danny Jones?

  Phones on airplane mode, but you have to turn, it just, it tricks you. You can't just turn on airplane mode. It doesn't do shit. You gotta turn off your wifi and you gotta go into the settings and turn off your Bluetooth to make the difference.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  You gotta make sure that when you press airplane mode, they all go off and they have that strike through on the setting shortcut. Cause if they just go from like blue to white, they're not actually off, which I don't even know why Apple does that. It's insane. Um, but that's it one, or you just keep the phones out of the bedroom, charging in, in the other room. So that's the radio frequency realm. We also experimented with putting tin foil and a Faraday beanie on your wifi router. Agreed that you probably, since your kids bedrooms are closer. To the wifi router, you can get like a $30 Faraday bag.

• 4:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  You don't want to turn the wifi off at night, which is best case solution because you have cameras for baby monitoring or security cameras.

• 4:31Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  You can buy a Faraday bag, which will reduce it like 70 to 85, 90%.

• 4:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Is a lot, is a great in-between, um, low hanging fruit.

• 4:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I think we gotta get, well, I think we're, we're gonna upgrade to a hardwired security cameras instead of those wifi ones. I think that would make probably a huge difference as well as that Faraday bag. And then also definitely figuring out a way to turn off the breaker panel that connects to our bedroom and just use, we found like in my bathroom, we can plug everything into my bathroom, wire it into the bed and, you know, just move it into the bedroom. Shit that we actually need and it still reduces it by like, what was it like 10,000 or something?

• 5:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. So what we were measuring there was, as I said, the body voltage, so that's the electric field inducing a voltage on your body. And your body is like semi-conductive, so that's why that happens. It's a great way to get an idea of the EMFs, uh, from, from the power frequencies, from the electrical power in your sleep environment. So what we did was we measured it before and after turning the power off. So you were between 2,000, 3,000 millivolts on your bed, two to three volts AC. Again, this number in nature should be zero. Uh, there's no AC voltage, uh, in nature. So you want it as close to zero as possible. Uh, I think my bedroom is like a hundred millivolts, point one volts. Uh, it's hard to sometimes get below that unless literally all the circuits in your house.

• 5:53Danny Jones?

  And you're, you're in Wyoming.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, but again, I think what I, you know, what we talked about here is for me, that stuff is important. What's external, like, yeah, if there's a cell tower nearby, 5G tower, you know, if there's a substation, transmission lines really close by, that's a problem.

• 6:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  But the immediate air environment, what you have with your own technology is more important.

• 6:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  99% of the time because it's just that much closer.

• 6:21Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  So we turned the circuit breaker off to your bedroom and you went from two to three volts to point two, point two five volts on your bed. It's a 10x reduction in the amount of AC voltage being induced on your body. And that's just by flipping the breaker off. So.

• 6:40Danny Jones?

  And what does that actually do to the body, though, when all that AC voltage is running through? Do we know?

• 6:44Speaker 01

  We don't know.

• 6:45Danny Jones?

  We have no clue.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  We know, we have studies just talking about.

• 6:49Danny Jones?

  Maybe it makes you live longer.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, it could, if you harnessed it correctly, potentially. No, the problem is that's, that's pretty.

• 6:54Danny Jones?

  Hold crystals and you know.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  It's high power stuff. You know, that's, that's 60 volts, sorry, 60 hertz and pretty high voltage. Your body's operating on very small scale in terms of the intensity of the fields, the intensity of the currents that are running through it, the intensity of the voltage. So to give you an indication, the voltage, which is a proton gradient across your mitochondrial membrane, is around 150 millivolts. So it's, it's pretty small in comparison to what we have, you know, powering our lives today. And although that does sum up, because you have trillions of mitochondria in your body,

• 7:36Speaker 01

  that's debatably what being alive means is that collective voltage across all your mitochondria and all your cells is like 30 trillion volts. But that's, you know, divided across every single mitochondrial membrane. And that's why this is also fascinating, because people might already be listening to this, like, what are they talking about? We're talking about how your electromagnetic environment is affecting your biology, affecting your health. And there are a lot of studies out there since, you know, across the whole 20th century, showing potential biological effects that are negative. And they span a swath of different end side effects, but it comes down to really like oxidative stress,

• 8:16Speaker 01

  mitochondrial dysfunction, and the most electromagnetic active energetic areas of our biology being compromised. And it just happens to coincide with this proliferation of chronic disease and chronic fatigue and people are.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  Maybe not considering this as a large reason for that. And I would say that would be a big bit ignorant. And I wanna, you know, bring more attention to this topic. But the problem is, it's very inconvenient.

• 8:45Danny Jones?

  Very.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Very, very inconvenient for people to have another toxin to deal with. And one that, guess what? They really can't do anything about, and they probably have the least consent to overall. And is what's powering our lives.

• 9:00Danny Jones?

  It's also the one that's the least obvious.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  It's invisible.

• 9:04Danny Jones?

  It's invisible. You don't, it's like, it's so easy to forget about.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  Intangible, invisible, unless you are an engineer or physicist, or took high level like physics in high school. You probably didn't even know what an electromagnetic field is. And that's, that's kind of why this all gets buried into the conspiracy theory, tinfoil hat, woo woo subject. But in reality, it's, it's pure science. It's pure physics.

• 9:29Danny Jones?

  And what are these lights you brought here?

• 9:30Speaker 01

  I brought some portable incandescent lights because I wasn't satisfied with the lighting environment. I do that when I travel. It's great because incandescent lights, my opinion, healthiest, healthiest lights.

• 9:44Danny Jones?

  Obama banned those, right?

• 9:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, they've been on the chopping block for a while now. So they're, they're banned from manufacturing in the United States. There's a 45 lumen per watt efficiency standard by the Department of Energy. So that is measuring the amount of brightness versus the amount of power that's required to power the bulbs.

• 10:08Danny Jones?

  The Department of Energy?

• 10:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:10Danny Jones?

  The same, the same company that was renamed three times after it was originally called the Manhattan Project.

• 10:16Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah.

• 10:18Danny Jones?

  The company that made the fucking atomic bomb.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Department of Energy.

• 10:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 10:22Danny Jones?

  That's crazy.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  I didn't know that, but um, the problem is they have a standard that is completely ignorant of the fact that infrared light is vitally important for our biology and our health and all life on this planet. Sunlight is 50 to 55% infrared light from an energy perspective, 70% infrared light from a photons per second perspective. And when we switch to LEDs, that goes to zero. When we're inside behind energy efficient glass, all that gets, a lot of that gets filtered out. So what I like to do with incandescence, and Steve is pulling up some nice spectrums here.

• 10:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah, this is what you were showing me at the house a minute ago.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, we measured it with the spectrometer. It's rich in long wavelength, low energy light that is very, very beneficial for our biology. It does things like stimulates melatonin production in the mitochondria to actually balance the oxidative response from higher energy wavelengths such as blue, violet and UV. And we're deficient in infrared light. So the incandescence put that back. So I'm a much bigger fan of incandescent infrared maxing as opposed to blocking blue light during the day.

• 11:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 11:29Speaker 01

  And.

• 11:30Danny Jones?

  So, so you were just at my house and you gave me a new incandescent bulb for one of my lamps. And when you, when you first scanned the lamp with the LED bulb, it looked exactly like the one on the left with that huge blue spike than when he did it.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:44Danny Jones?

  With the incandescent bulb, it looked exactly like the one on the right. And we went outside in the sunlight, it looked more like the incandescent chart on the right.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  Well, it's, it's, it looked like the one on the left here that's showing the sunlight, which is full spectrum. So you get a lot of, you know, violet, you get ultraviolet, you get everything. You get everything from ultraviolet to infrared. And these spectrometer images don't even capture most of the infrared spectrum. It's, the infrared spectrum goes from like 750 nanometers to tens of micrometers. Like it's very vast and the visible spectrum is very narrow. It's like 300 nanometers. So the majority of what you're taking in from sunlight is, is infrared. There you go. It's a.

• 12:26Danny Jones?

  Steve, if we lit our studio with these incandescent lights, what, what would be the downside?

• 12:31Speaker 01

  It would cost more money.

• 12:33Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah. So I mean, I've lit tons of studios. It just takes like hundreds and hundreds, thousands of watts. Like, so if I were to use, so for the key light back there, I'd probably use a 2K or a couple of 1Ks. Uh, like minimum, I'd probably do like a, like, yeah, probably a 2K or maybe.

• 12:52Danny Jones?

  And they get really hot, right?

• 12:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, that, so that is the infrared light, you know, it's, it's not as great down here in, in Florida, but in Wyoming, when it's too cold for me to work outside or it's like a snowing or something. I have a 250 watt chicken lamp, which is just a 250 watt incandescent bulb next to my indoor work setup. And I just blast that on me all day long. It makes such a difference.

• 13:15Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 13:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, such a, and you want to talk about red light therapy? Well, you know, we were talking that a little bit about your house, the red LEDs and the red light panels. Those are great. Sure. Photobiomodulation, but they're like two wavelengths or, or three maybe. Whereas sun is all of the wavelengths in the visible, so many wavelengths in the infrared. So I'm a big fan of broad spectrum lights.

• 13:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Jack was in here. He was like, you guys are [__] up. You need to take the roof off this building. Open up that wall. You guys are [__] blowing it.

• 13:46Speaker 01

  You could just open the windows. Um.

• 13:49Danny Jones?

  There's no windows in here. We're in a spaceship. Have you noticed?

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did notice. It's kind of tripping me out.

• 13:54Speaker 02

  I tried the best I could. Uh, we have full spectrum, uh, cinema, uh, LED.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  You know what I like here? That we're not being assaulted with some like high powered LED or fluorescent lights.

• 14:06Danny Jones?

  Just that light, pretty much.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  That, and that's not bad at all. Like I, I think this is much better and it won't be as draining as, as being blasted with those, you know, typical bright lights you have in like a studio setup. But yeah, that's the trade off and it's crazy because it's all about energy efficiency. When that, you know, energy that's, you know, invisible and therefore contributing nothing to brightness, which is driving those standards is so, so important for, for our health. And those standards, the DOE is going to 120 lumens per watt in 2028, unless the new administration changes that. So I would say.

• 14:42Danny Jones?

  DOE is going to 120 lumens per watt. Can you, what does that mean in English?

• 14:47Speaker 01

  It means it's the standards for efficiency are tripling in and how stringent they are by 2028. So even current solutions that just get by like warmer LEDs or, um, you know, there's a optics engineer who I'm great friends with, who's done a lot of this research on infrared named Scott Zimmerman. He has a company that does a hybrid LED and infrared bulb. That will no longer be legal because they have tripled the standard. So even the current LEDs are not efficient enough. So what does that mean?

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• 16:41Speaker 01

  What are the most, you know, bright and most efficient wavelengths? The high-energy, blue, um, violet, um, green. So that there's going to be more of those wavelengths and less of the lower-energy, longer wavelengths to balance that. So it's just going to be more distorted, more unbalanced, and worse for our health.

• 17:00Danny Jones?

  Can you search for something about the Department of Energy with light bulbs and wattage output?

• 17:08Danny Jones?

  Mandates, find, find something about that because that's fascinating that that, that they would be putting this stuff into play, into place. US Department of Energy finalized, finalized new energy efficiency standards for general service lamps, which include common residential and commercial light bulbs take effect in July 2028. Wow. For newly produced bulbs, the standards will require bulbs to produce more than 120 lumens, but you were and spot on, bro. Up to the current standard of 45 lumens per watt. They updated standards are, uh, these updated standards are expected to save American families 1.6 billion dollars annually on household energy costs and reduce harmful greenhouse gas emissions over 30 years.

• 17:50Danny Jones?

  The DOE project, projects, uh, the DOE projects, these standards will save Americans more than 27 billion on utility bills and cut 70 million, uh, metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions. Um, holy shit.

• 18:09Speaker 01

  But it's nonsense because guess what happened in the last 20 years? We have so much more light at night. So even though we've switched from incandescence to LEDs, yes, they're more efficient. We're using just way more lights. So we're pretty much like just net neutral in terms of, we haven't really saved any energy. We haven't saved any money. We just have more efficient lights and we use more lights like throughout the day. Whereas if we switch back to incandescence, uh, and again, who needs that many lights on during the day? Not, you shouldn't really, let's get more, you know, natural light from the outdoors. And then at nighttime, you just have some low powered incandescence.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  It's, it's really such a narrative spin. And of course, the entire energy efficiency, um, you know, greenhouse gas situation is, it, it, it's a giant ploy to just move to this like higher efficiency, smarter life, but there's, it's at such a cost.

• 19:05Danny Jones?

  So the Department of Energy used to be called the Atomic Energy Commission. And before that it was called the Manhattan Project.

• 19:12Speaker 01

  I didn't know.

• 19:13Danny Jones?

  This is the same people who made the fucking thermonuclear bomb, bro.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Well, it's not the same people. It's like seven years ago, right?

• 19:19Danny Jones?

  Well, it's the same organization.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  I mean, every three letter agency, we can, we can talk about that. It's the FCC, they're all, it's all the same.

• 19:29Danny Jones?

  So.

• 19:31Danny Jones?

  This is like, okay, I'm trying to, I'm trying to see if I can play the devil's advocate here and see like, what would be the downside?

• 19:42Speaker 01

  The devil's advocate, sorry to interrupt, I asked a coworker in San Francisco. He said their price per kilowatt hour is 45 cents. That's insane.

• 19:51Danny Jones?

  For these?

• 19:52Speaker 01

  For, no, for, for electricity, they're paying 45 cents a kilowatt hour. So I don't know if you ever looked at your electricity bill.

• 19:58Danny Jones?

  I have no idea what that means.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  You're probably paying 10 to 15 cents a kilowatt hour, which is like a reasonable amount. So they're basically paying like 3X what you're paying in electricity. So to put incandescence in their house is going to cost a lot more money. Again, if they have their lights on all the time, like 45 cents.

• 20:15Danny Jones?

  Why are they paying 45 cents?

• 20:16Speaker 01

  Because the utility companies and

• 20:18Danny Jones?

  In San Francisco?

• 20:19Speaker 01

  In, in California are a joke. That's why.

• 20:23Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. And utility companies in general, it's this weird, you know, public service utility for a, for a public good, but they're, they're quasi-private companies. So the, it's the same thing like in Europe right now, you know, with all the natural gas issues and, and the Russia-Ukraine war. The price of electricity in like Germany is, is similar. It's like, it's like 40 to 60 cents a kilowatt hour. So they've, they banned incandescence a long time ago. Um, and that's all about energy efficiency. Um, but it's not practical. And that's where the whole energy generation and energy consumption conversation is so important for society. But we should not be compromising because no one is acknowledging how important light is for our health.

• 21:08Speaker 01

  And if we just spend more time outside or got more outside light indoors, then we wouldn't even have to worry about how efficient our, our lights actually are and at what cost, you know, 1.6 billion dollars. Okay. How many people have chronic disease and how much does that cost?

• 21:23Danny Jones?

  Right, right. Way more than that. So what is the lowest hanging, most obvious?

• 21:32Danny Jones?

  Thing that these lights are doing to us that we know of that's been like studied or is being investigated or has been written about whatever or that interested you originally?

• 21:42Speaker 01

  The good or the bad lights?

• 21:43Danny Jones?

  The bad, the bad lights. Yeah, yeah. What is like the, those, so if we do, if they do implement that, those lights, um, with the new, the highest, most energy efficient blue lights possibly ever created by human beings and we're not allowed to use these kinds of lights, what would happen to, to the human body?

• 22:01Speaker 01

  We would just have more oxidative stress, more mitochondrial dysfunction, which leads to pretty much all chronic diseases, uh, because it's unbalanced. Like I said, the, the higher energy wavelengths are, are higher energy. So they come at a cost at the cellular level. So blue light is, is blue lights vitally important for our biology. We go outside in the morning, blue light is what wakes us up. It stimulates cortisol production, suppresses melatonin in the moment and it provides a more dopaminergic response, like go and do stuff, seize the day, hunt, gather food, et cetera. So it's very important, but all of that, and then the violet, ultraviolet, which is also extremely important for our

• 22:40Speaker 01

  biology, uh, but it happens to also have this oxidative response. The red and the infrared longer wavelengths penetrate deep into our cells. They stimulate melatonin production, which is the master antioxidant and it cleans up all of the free radicals and a lot of the oxidative stress that's being occurred from the higher energy wavelengths and melatonin even, you know, upregulates glutathione and other antioxidants. It's, it's a miracle. I mean, it's agreed upon pretty much and melatonin is like anti-cancer. But now what like Scott Zimmerman and these researchers found, it's, it's not just about what you're producing at night from a melatonin perspective. It's about what you're producing during the day from exposure to mostly near infrared light. And when you're inside all day, you're

• 23:25Speaker 01

  getting no infrared light.

• 23:27Danny Jones?

  Is it true that when in, in the morning, when you're outside during the sunrise, I guess there's like a couple hours in the morning before the UV B light kicks in where you're getting that red light from the sunrise produces that, uh, the, um, melanopsin?

• 23:41Danny Jones?

  Is that right? Which also produces melatonin that automatically with our body with a circadian rhythm. When you get that light in your eyes in the morning, it knows 12 hours later, you're going to start putting you to sleep.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. So light is the main input signal to set our circadian rhythms. And out of all the light, blue light is the main sight giver or time giver. So blue light is the main clock signal for our bodies. And that's because of melanopsin, that's because of the photoreceptors, how they've been designed. And that's why it's so important, but.

• 24:13Danny Jones?

  So would it work if I just woke up at 6 a.m. and just put my phone in my face?

• 24:17Speaker 01

  That would wake you up, but because it's so stressful and not balanced.

• 24:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  So that's the cost here. It's an unbalanced spectrum. So you never get blue without red and infrared. You never get UV without red and infrared. And they've done studies in isolation, looking at just blue light. And it damages the mitochondria in the retina. Like they die off at a far higher rate. The oxidative stress, free radical production skyrockets. And then they've also done it with red light as well, and that has actually a positive effect. So you never get one without the other in nature, and that's all we need to do. And that's why like incandescents are great because they're adding back in infrared to the indoors.

• 25:01Danny Jones?

  That's a crazy thing that I've noticed and read about over the last couple of years. Is how that red light therapy, those light panels can actually reverse poor eyesight and regenerate visual neurons.

• 25:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:15Danny Jones?

  It's insane.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  And if we got outside and you can do that too. And it's just the whole indoor environment being toxic from a light perspective, EMF perspective, and just spatial perspective, like our eyes. You could say that eyes are kind of the most prevalent health issue in the world today because of modern technology. I mean, in East Asia, they have like 90% rates of myopia for young kids. And that's 90, nine zero. That's insane. And it's because we're indoors all day, looking at devices six to 12 inches in front of us that simultaneously have a lot of blue light and no red and infrared.

• 25:54Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  So that's the cost, really. And then there's a flicker component as well to LEDs. So that's an underrated stressor to me, but pretty much all LEDs are flickering at a certain frequency. I would say overhead lighting, the flicker is not as bad as from your phone screen. Phones are above and beyond the worst.

• 26:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  So if you've ever wondered why staring at your phone is way worse than staring at your MacBook, it's because of the flicker. It's not just because of the blue light. Because the frequency they use to... The reason why it flickers is because that's what's used to control brightness. So they use a electronics control mechanism called pulse width modulation, and that controls the brightness. So instead of just like lowering the amount of current, they're pushing through the diode, that light emitting diode. Instead, they turn it on and then they turn it off. So that has a more consistent output of like color, especially at lower brightness and just a higher precision for control.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  So instead of literally the dimmer switch just turning it down in terms of current, like you would with normal things, it's literally just cycling it on and off and increasing the amount of time off versus the amount of time on to get to lower brightness. And on phones, that's happening at a frequency in the hundreds of hertz range, which is just above visual perception, and it drives your brain and eyes crazy. And this is known side effects. You can look up like electrical engineering standards even agree. Flickering LEDs causes eye strain, headaches, migraines, aggravates symptoms in ASD, autism children, panic attacks, anxiety. And guess what? Every single phone display and pretty much every LED light is powered

• 27:40Speaker 01

  or is controlled with pulse width modulation.

• 27:42Danny Jones?

  How did you learn about all this shit?

• 27:44Speaker 01

  So I'm an electrical engineer by degree who became obsessed with health because I had one too many concussions.

• 27:52Danny Jones?

  How'd you get concussions?

• 27:53Speaker 01

  I played soccer in college, so most of them from that. And then last one that put me over the edge, I didn't even know I was concussed, just like passed out and hit my head, did everything wrong in that acute recovery phase. So went down the rabbit hole and I was fascinated with health and you know my mom's from Austria. I grew up in the outdoors, like I love the outdoors and yeah, just kept going down these rabbit holes and realized quickly that we're just so disconnected from nature and that's a large reason why we're so unhealthy and that there's a big electromagnetic, you know, piece to this conversation. Like I started with the food. I started with the plastics. I wrote a book half about regenerative agriculture and food and then I just was like, hey, these

• 28:37Speaker 01

  people online are talking about like EMFs and grounding and stuff and honestly, they don't know what they're talking about because they've never clearly taken a physics course and I see these like pendants and neutralizers.

• 28:48Danny Jones?

  If I had a dollar for every fucking influencer I talked about grounding on my Instagram feed, I'd be, I'd have twenty dollars.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  It's blown up now. Yeah, it's blown up now. And for me, I was like, wow, I have an opportunity here. I'm electrical engineer to actually bridge these worlds of, you know, electromagnetism and biology, which are so siloed because all the electrical engineers and physicists are just in their lane and then the biology doctors, practitioners are in their lane. They don't cross at all. And yeah, I just got really fascinated, started reading a lot of this research on these topics and just it made sense as to why on my own healing journey, the more time I spent outdoors, the more time I spent in an environment closer to what exists in nature, the better I felt. And then, you know, 14 months ago, I had Hunter on my podcast and he's, you know, talked about daylight. I was like, oh, this is what I'm meant to do.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  And then joined him immediately because I was like, this is, this is the last piece. We could eat cleaner food. We could wear, you know, natural fiber clothing. We can get outdoors more. But to me, technology is the most pervasive environmental toxin that exists and we have literally no alternative. So that's what we're trying to fix at daylight.

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• 31:25Danny Jones?

  like, there's no, there's no one who really knows a lot about this stuff. And as far as I'm aware, there's no like, there's no like, scientific, peer reviewed studies that have like, happened in regards to exposing people to these radio frequencies, these EMFs, 5G, all this stuff, right? Sort of. That's like, partially false and partially true, which pretty much means the same thing, I guess.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  There's been so many studies on electromagnetic fields having biological effect like thousands. If you saw the clip from RFK talking on Rogan.

• 32:08Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  There are thousands, Joe, there are thousands of studies.

• 32:11Danny Jones?

  Five G crosses the blood brain barrier.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  Well, you, that study was from Alan Frey, 1975, was funded by the US Navy for 15 years. Because guess who is interested in radar and microwaves? The military. So that's where a lot of this research in the 50s, 60s, 70s was all from the military. And they were interested and there was some, you know, like sidebar DARPA stuff to look at like what was going on in the Russian embassy, which we can talk about. But really, um, he found a lot of biological effects at low power density. And it just so happened that the frequencies he was looking at are the same exact frequencies being used for telecommunications today. There's no way like we would have known, but they're around two to four gigahertz.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  They called microwaves. They're the same frequency as the radio, you know, communications we use, probably just different modulation techniques. Because they're not transmitting data for cell phones or like radar equipment. And he found that it opens up the, the blood brain barrier. He found that it made rats very docile. He found at a very low power density, he stopped a frog's heart like completely from just exposure to.

• 33:23Danny Jones?

  Who was doing this?

• 33:24Speaker 01

  Alan Frey.

• 33:25Danny Jones?

  Alan Frey.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  He worked for GE and he discovered, he rent down this rabbit hole because some like operator came to him and was like, hey, man, I can, I can hear the radar. And he's like, what are you talking about? He's like, no, I can hear the radar. Come check it out. And he could hear it too. And they realized and they figured out that it, it wasn't from the ears. It was a neurological response from the microwaves. And Alan Frey, and there's this whole debate, literally a microwave debate in the seventies about this stuff. Especially because the, the Russian embassy crisis, people kind of got freaked out.

• 34:02Danny Jones?

  Havana syndrome stuff.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  There was a, a GE, uh, another thing with ionizing radiation where TV. That GE made unfortunately had x-ray exposure by accident. So then the public became like very distrusting of technology for a little bit. And then they kind of like was a big deal. Someone wrote a book called zapping of America, Paul Brodeur. And then it kind of just went away like they're like after the seventies. Just swept it under the rug and and no one's connected the dots since. And now they're like, well, there's been no studies on 4G and 5G. But a lot of biological effects have been studied for the same exact frequencies for decades. And there's thousands of studies even since 1990 that are showing harmful biological effects.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  Thousands, but they're mostly on rodents. A lot of them are epidemiological. It's really hard to do studies on people with electromagnetic fields. And some of the population based studies that they've done have been, you know, pretty, pretty damning.

• 35:04Danny Jones?

  Have you looked at it? How, how, how far, how deep have you looked into the Havana syndrome stuff? Like the people that have these, uh, these symptoms of like really bad tinnitus, their ears ringing. And like hearing voices in their heads, crazy migraines, like unbearable migraines. People that, that were in the, uh, the embassy in Cuba and as well in Moscow that experienced this stuff.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  I'm familiar with the Moscow signal and the Moscow embassy. I've read a lot about that. And that was basically, it's, it's funny. This was like a big topic during the Cold War because Russia, Russia was very much aware or like stringent on electromagnetic fields and they had a thousand times stricter thresholds for microwave radio frequency safety. And they, you know, were in a cold war. And for whatever reason, they decided to, to mock the US and blast the embassy, the US embassy in Moscow. For over 15 years, I think it was maybe even 20 years with a quote unquote, low intensity.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, here we go. Low intensity signal in the microwave range 2.5 to 4 gigahertz, which is exactly. You know, your wifi is at 2.4 gigahertz, your phone in, in 5G mid-band is operating roughly in that area.

• 36:26Danny Jones?

  But these are, so the difference is these were directed, right? These were shooting it like a gun out of some sort of a device.

• 36:33Speaker 01

  It was just like, uh, it was, it was just being beamed from like a building onto the US embassy.

• 36:38Danny Jones?

  Oh, like a big, like a big wide blanket?

• 36:40Speaker 01

  Like this wasn't like, hey, we're doing this. This was like, what, like, they never have admitted to this day that they did this.

• 36:46Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  So this was-

• 36:47Danny Jones?

  We have no idea how they actually have to, like, it didn't, it didn't necess, like, I would imagine that if I was some, like, the Russian intelligence agency, KGB, and I knew that the CIA was right across the street, we could go in the building and we could get some sort of like crowd control device that shot fucking 5G right at the building at a certain, because it was directed at certain floors.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so.

• 37:06Danny Jones?

  Like, there was only certain floors where people had those really bad symptoms.

• 37:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And they did some weird, like, the US kind of freaked out, but they couldn't tell anybody, because they were like, well, it's under our safety threshold.

• 37:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  So they're in like a catch 22.

• 37:19Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  And they started doing these side projects, like Project Pandora, Project Bizarre. Project Pandora was, they, they took a couple monkeys and tested it with like five micro watts per centimeter squared, which was 50% of the US's current safety threshold. And they were just trying to figure out, like, is this actually dangerous? And that's a re, that's really high, by the way. That's like, it, the, maybe the peak transmission of your cellphone for one second. They blasted these monkeys for 10 hours a day, uh, for 10 to 12 days straight. And on like the 10th, 11th, 12th day, the monkeys would straight up fall asleep, like, standing up.

• 37:59Danny Jones?

  And not wake up?

• 38:00Speaker 01

  They would just be like zombies. They, they were performing all these tasks, apparently. And then eventually on like the 10th, 11th, 12th day, they would just like basically be asleep, but not asleep. And then every time they did it, like, they let them recover and then they would do it again. It was a shorter time. And then eventually they just stopped the studies and the monkeys like never technically recovered. But that's not, I, I'm gonna say, that's not indicative of like normal cellphone exposure, but-

• 38:26Danny Jones?

  It's way more, yeah.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  But you should be pretty concerned.

• 38:28Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 38:29Speaker 01

  Like, in any capacity that that exists. And then there is some more studies. They ran some blood work and they didn't really tell people. And eventually, you know, people figured it out and like broke the news and it was, it was a big deal. But it was so inconclusive that no standards, nothing was, was really changed at all.

• 38:48Danny Jones?

  Right. And then there was also the Philadelphia experiments that were done in the US, where they were sending, shooting like frequency beams at some of the sailors that were on the ship, some of the Navy guys.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm not as familiar with that one, but there there's a lot.

• 39:03Danny Jones?

  A lot of crazy. The Cold War dude was like one of the craziest, most sci fi dystopian periods in America, bro.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  And that's where people are like, oh, there's all this like, you know, MKUltra stuff. I'm like, this was for war. They were just trying to figure out and get the upper hand. And yeah, a lot of progress was made, but a lot of

• 39:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we went to the moon.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  Crazy stuff was going on. I'll say that. But what I want to say is there is no shortage of evidence that there's potential biological effect. It's it's just the context.

• 39:34Danny Jones?

  No shortage of evidence there's biological.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  I mean, there is so many studies, hundreds and hundreds of studies from that time period, even more if you want to look at actually the Russian studies, which are way more, you know, I would I would say fair in terms of how they're measuring effects. Because what you're saying with like Havana syndrome, Russia acknowledged, I think it's called like astenia or what we call today, hyper electrosensitivity. That there is a repercussion from overexposure long term to electromagnetic fields. And it's funny, two of the pioneers of technology in the early 20th century, Nikola Tesla and Marconi, the radio guy. Marconi, at the end of his life, had like five heart attacks in in 10 years. And the dude was literally, you know, on radio transmission all day.

• 40:21Speaker 01

  And Tesla was always playing around with stuff and he literally went crazy in his later years, died poor. And if you look at it from, you know, an unbiased perspective, you would say that for sure, both of them had electro hypersensitivity or some sort of electromagnetic related condition. Because they're just their nervous systems and bodies were fried.

• 40:40Danny Jones?

  Wow. What is this, uh, this phone gate thing, this that you emailed me about in France? There's some sort of thing going on phones being labeled?

• 40:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, there there's that. There's a lot. I would say the phone gate is they they basically tested all these phones and the manufacturing radiation emissions, the SAR readings were were not accurate. They were higher than they should have been, like 90% of the phones. Um, so it's just a blatant lie from from the tech industry.

• 41:11Danny Jones?

  What phone specifically do we know?

• 41:13Speaker 01

  I think it was almost all major smartphones. But the problem is there even that whole.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  Metrics, specific absorption rate, how they go about that. What they're doing is they're measuring the energy, the quote unquote, "energy being absorbed by your body" from cellphone radiation. And that, I think, came about in the 80s originally, and then implemented more so in the late 90s as wireless technology emerged. And it's purely based on calculations of like tissues. And you know what they do the testing on? They do the testing on a 6'2", 220-pound bio, adult bio dummy. So there's no real testing going on in terms of it being indicative of like a real human using the product. So to me, that whole metric and that system is flawed in every which way possible that you can imagine.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  And if you want to get even more like upset, if you go into your settings of your phone, you can literally go under like "legal and regulatory guidelines," RF exposure, and there's a very cleverly crafted statement from every smartphone, you know, consumer electronics product device manufacturer that says like, "Don't hold this product on your body." Like, "Use five millimeters of separation to reduce RF exposure." Go into settings.

• 42:36Danny Jones?

  Okay. Let's see, let's do it right now.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  And just look up "legal."

• 42:41Danny Jones?

  Legal, okay. L-E-G. Legal and regulatory?

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then go to RF exposure.

• 42:53Danny Jones?

  RF exposure.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  And you can read like, "To reduce exposure to RF energy, use a hands-free option such as speakerphone, headphones, and..." There's a, you know, a much longer...

• 43:09Danny Jones?

  Okay, yeah, the last paragraph. "To reduce exposure to RF energy, use a hands-free option such as the built-in speakerphone headphones or other similar accessories. Cases with metal parts may change the RF performance of the device, including its compliance with the RF exposure guidelines, in a manner that has not been tested or certified." Wow. "Although this device has been tested to determine radio frequency exposure compliance in each band of operation, not all bands are available in your area. Bands are dependent on your service provider's wireless roaming networks."

• 43:43Danny Jones?

  That's another thing I wanted to ask you about. What about the, like, the AirPod headphones? Those wireless Bluetooth headphones that everyone use? Are those super toxic?

• 43:54Speaker 01

  They're 2.4 gigahertz as well, so it's the same frequency as your Wi-Fi. Just below a microwave oven.

• 44:02Danny Jones?

  I saw a clip on Huberman's podcast where he's interviewing, I think it's a brain, a neurosurgeon.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Neuralink guy, right?

• 44:08Danny Jones?

  Is that who that was?

• 44:08Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 44:09Danny Jones?

  No, no, no, it wasn't the guy who had Neuralink. Or no, it wasn't the guy who had the brain chip. This guy was like an actual neurosurgeon. And he was asking him about radio frequencies. And he asked the guy, like, what he thought about the, those headphones, his Apple headphones. He's like, oh, it's not a big deal. He's like, they put out such a little bit, it wouldn't make a difference.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  That's true, but guess where they're located?

• 44:28Danny Jones?

  In your head.

• 44:30Speaker 01

  In your ear canal.

• 44:31Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  Zero distance, not, not even zero distance. It's almost like even closer than your phone would be, right? Cause it's in your ear. So it's very true that Bluetooth is low energy, low power. You know, that's the whole glamour to Bluetooth. It's like low power. It's amazing. In electrical engineering, like, everyone loves Bluetooth, even though it's, it's kind of like, for connectivity and stuff, it's, it's kind of a pain in the ass, right? Like, things are always connecting, disconnecting. Apple, Apple has, you know, made it seamless because they have the hardware and the accessory. Every other Bluetooth accessory doesn't get Apple's kind of protocols. That's why they're a lot more annoying to connect, by the way.

• 45:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 45:09Speaker 01

  So, yeah, but if you, if you measure, you know, the EMF meter like we use today on, on AirPods, at the distance they are exposed to, to your head, cause they're zero distance. It's, it's like the same as standing like a foot away from a microwave oven or actually worse. So it's very much.

• 45:27Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 45:28Speaker 01

  I would be concerned, I would say, because of the duration and the distance. It's all part of the equation here. You have, you have the distance, you have the intensity of the field, and then the duration of the exposure. I've looked at a ton of studies. A lot of the studies have harmful effects over, out, over some duration of exposure being like chronic. So again, if it's just like 10 minutes or 20 minutes, that's really. Really not what we're talking about here. We're talking about 24/7, 365. We're in a wifi bath. We never turn our phone off. It's always on our body. We have the AirPods in. It's a layer on top of a layer on top of a layer of an EMF toxic cake.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  And that's my issue with it. I could make the debate that says if you wear AirPods to take a phone call and your phone is on the other side of the room, that would actually maybe be better. Because the phone is typically the highest source of RF.

• 46:22Danny Jones?

  Versus having it up to your head like that.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, that that is the worst. The phone up to your ear is by far the highest amount of RF radiation exposure. Wired headphones would be better. You could even say that wired headphones have some conductive material. They have a neodymium magnet that has a DC static magnetic field in them as well, which is not ideal.

• 46:44Danny Jones?

  So they're a little bit better, but not much?

• 46:46Speaker 01

  They're better. Air tube headphones exist, but they have like the most atrocious user experience. They're horrible.

• 46:52Danny Jones?

  The ones you get on airplanes, right?

• 46:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, they're horrible. So that's, look, it's imperfect everywhere. If you, I think, are more diligent about how you use your phone, don't keep it on your body when it's on, especially next to reproductive organs or next to your head. And you want to use AirPods for a couple hours a day, like, be my guest. All I'm saying is, this all adds up. And we're never giving our body a break, but what we did at your house today was what? We optimized your sleep environment. So that's when you actually have a chance to recover, to repair your cells, to get into autophagy, to get into apoptosis, clean up the, you know, damaged cells, and that is what we're not getting. Because of the blue light at night, because of the disrupted circadian rhythms,

• 47:35Speaker 01

  and because we have all these stressors like wifi or cellphone, you know, high amount of electrical power EMFs in our bedroom all the damn time.

• 47:45Danny Jones?

  What have you noticed as far as like a change? Can you like actually feel a change in your, the way you feel during the day after getting rid of all this shit where you sleep?

• 47:55Speaker 01

  The opposite, I feel it when I'm back in an environment that is high MF.

• 48:00Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 48:01Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. It's like with everything toxic, you typically don't feel an amazing response when you cut something out. But when you add it back in, your body's like, whoa.

• 48:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah. So, right. So like it becomes normal, right? You're just used to that feeling better. And then when you get back into the shitty environment, it's like, oh shit.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  And then conversely, when you go back to the good environment after being in a, in a bad one.

• 48:24Danny Jones?

  Notice it.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. So for example, I live in central Wyoming, in a 2,000 person town. So very chill, low EMF, low stress, there's no traffic, there's barely any people. My house is hardwired, I turn the power off at night, it's great, I sleep amazing. And then our office for daylights in San Francisco, and I go there, I was there for two weeks last month. And you just feel it, like you're more on edge. Um, you're just hyperactive sympathetic dominant nervous system. Uh, you don't sleep as well, you're kind of just, you know, a little fidgety. You, you're just stressed out and that's what you feel this anxious energy. And it's probably a combination of a lot of stuff. And then I go back to Wyoming for the first time, like two weeks later.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  And I walk around the block and I was like, I just took a deep breath and I was like, okay, wow, like I actually feel like I can relax. And that's what this is. It's this background stressors that are really just keeping us on edge. And that's so draining to our biology. It's so fatiguing for our cells to never actually fully be in a parasympathetic state and execute biological functions. We're always in fight or flight. And over time, that results in, you know, a, a bad outcomes, uh, at a cellular level. And it's, it's a mitochondrial toxin is what most of these studies, there's thousands of studies, almost all of them point to oxidative stress, mitochondrial damage.

• 49:49Speaker 01

  And you see it because it proliferates in the most energetically rich, dense mitochondrial, dense tissues, which is your heart, your brain and your reproductive organs. And that's where a lot of these studies and issues are at.

• 50:01Danny Jones?

  That's another thing that I was reading, um, was that there was a study that was based on these EMFs and heart cancer in, I think it was mice or something. And that was, they were exposed to, um, just, were they exposed to like 5G or was it 4G? Or do you know what that one was?

• 50:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's the National Toxicology Program. Uh, they ran a multi-year study, spent 25 million dollars to, you know, there's been a lot of studies where people spend a lot of money.

• 50:28Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 50:29Speaker 01

  And this is a government agency coming from the, you know, Department of Human Health and Services. And they looked at, it was 2G and 3G, uh, frequencies and, and modulated signals. Which is, again, we can talk about what 5G actually is, but we still use a lot of those same signals. So it's very much indicative of the cellphone exposure. I, I think it was for a normal amount of time per day, like 10, 12 hours. And there was clear evidence of tumors in the hearts of male rats. There was some evidence of tumors in the brains and another area of the body. And that was the conclusion. And then guess what happened? Nothing. They just like, cut the funding and no follow-up studies. There's so many, you know, conflicting media articles published on that.

• 51:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  And that's just one, that's happened so many times. People are always like, the studies are inconclusive, but guess what's happened over the last 20 to 30 years? The telecom industry has funded so many shoddy studies.

• 51:26Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 51:27Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So many. This is, I think, the worst industry where this occurs. And there's people like Dr. Henry Lai, who, uh, from University of Washington, put together like these comprehensive reviews. Like he literally has a Google Drive of thousands of studies where he's tried to filter out. And one of the first reviews he put together, he did like 350 studies. And he found, I think, it was like 55 to 60% showed harmful biological effects. It was like kind of almost 50/50. But then when he subdivided them into who was funded independently and who was funded by industry? It was like 70% of the independent studies showed harmful biological effects. And like 25 to 30% funded by industry showed harmful biological effects.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  And then more and more people did the same thing and they found the same conclusions. UC Berkeley in 2010 did a review of all the industry-funded studies and were like, these are inadequate. These are studies. That are not even using real cell phones for their studies. They're using simulated frequencies. So it's it's insane and

• 52:31Danny Jones?

  Geared to get better results, right?

• 52:33Speaker 01

  Of course, because what what is the worst outcome for the telecom industry? And we're talking, you know, the OG ones like Motorola and now Verizon, AT&T, and of course, the big tech, you know, device companies. But really, the telecom giants. This could really hamper and it's happened since the 90s. That Dr. Henry Lai guy in 2006. Yeah. Found that radio frequency cellphone exposure causes DNA strand breaks. And then Motorola went on this smear campaign was like, no, no, no, that's

• 53:05Danny Jones?

  What was the name of this? It was called what again?

• 53:07Speaker 01

  Dr. Henry Lai, L A.

• 53:09Danny Jones?

  Henry Lai. And then how we find that on on the internet? Just type in DNA strands?

• 53:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, DNA strand break or EMF exposure.

• 53:16Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 53:17Speaker 01

  Summary and the the reason why you've never heard this or no one's talking about this is so many of these researchers basically got canceled. So everyone like Alan Frey funding pulled. There was Milton Zaret before him in the 60s was proving that EMFs cause cataracts. That was like the first known.

• 53:36Danny Jones?

  Cataracts?

• 53:37Speaker 01

  Cataracts was the first known side effect of EMFs besides thermal increasing the temperature of your body. And then it was actually testicular damage in the 60s as well, which they covered up. They both got canceled. Robert O. Becker, Andrew Marino, they went on 60 Minutes or Robert O. Becker did. They got canceled. Henry Lai.

• 53:56Danny Jones?

  Henry Lai's research has shown that exposure to a 60 hertz magnetic field at intensities of point one to point five milli tesla? Milli tesla for two hours can cause an increase in DNA, single and double strand breaks in brain cells of rats.

• 54:17Danny Jones?

  So, okay, what would a 60 hertz magnetic field in the 0.1 to 0.5 milli tesla range be equivalent to in the real world?

• 54:26Speaker 01

  So that's 60 hertz is power frequency. So that's what's coming out of your outlet. That's, um, so what's that like 100 milligauss? That's probably being six to 12 inches away from your power outlet, like pretty close, um, maybe even closer.

• 54:41Danny Jones?

  So like where I'm sleeping in my bedroom?

• 54:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, you'd have to be really close to it or live very close to like high voltage transmission line. The more damning one for me is one that even goes further back is actually that there's a statistically significant increased risk of childhood leukemia at four milligauss. So that's, you know, like 100 times lower.

• 55:04Danny Jones?

  What is a milligau?

• 55:05Speaker 01

  A milligauss is just another measure of, um, power flux density, which is magnetic field. So if I converted that, um.

• 55:14Danny Jones?

  So they found out that childhood leukemia rates were, how did they do that? How did they measure this?

• 55:21Speaker 01

  It was epidemiological research, like correlative data, but it was reproduced. So it's actually a crazy story what happened. Because there was, and it, and it comes back to, to Robert O. Becker as well. So basically the Navy was trying to build this antenna in, in Michigan and then Wisconsin, um, for submarine communication. And that was called Project Sanguine. Uh, eventually like they renamed it four times because the public kept freaking out about it. Because the Navy asked Robert O. Becker and a few other scientists to review the current research on low frequency EMFs and their biological impact. And they looked at that time in the seventies at the existing research.

• 56:06Speaker 01

  And they concluded that there were potential harmful effects, mostly from, you know, power line data and.

• 56:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's some some correlated stuff.

• 56:18Danny Jones?

  Sorry, go ahead.

• 56:18Speaker 01

  Sorry, I'm distracted. And they they recommended that the Navy, you know, not proceed forward or, you know, proceed with caution because there was existing evidence that showed low-frequency EMFs could be harmful to biology. Although the Navy's antenna they wanted to build was like thousands of times lower intensity than all the power lines and exposure to power lines. And then the Navy kind of covered that up. They didn't tell anybody. And then they just were like, yeah, this is safe. And then Robert O. Becker went on 60 Minutes and like made this big public outcry about it. And, you know, then the public kind of was freaked out. So they boycotted it, got moved to Wisconsin, et cetera.

• 56:59Speaker 01

  And then Robert O. Becker went back to his home state, New York, and started, you know, petitioning against this new power line project that was going to be built because he thought it would be unsafe based on the distance that they were putting into it. And he started doing his own studies on rats. And they found some, you know, multi-generational issues with birth rates and and health concerns in rats. And then someone from North Carolina, I think her name was Nancy Wertheimer or something, came out and it said four milligals is like a threshold for statistically significant increased risk of childhood leukemia because of proximity transmission lines. Then the New York State Power Lines Project were like, we're going to fund a study.

• 57:44Speaker 01

  It's going to be like $20 million to disprove it. They had this whole thing. And then guess what? They came up with the same result. They actually.

• 57:53Danny Jones?

  And they actually admitted it?

• 57:55Speaker 01

  They admitted it. And then you know what they said? They said, well, it's too late. We're going to set the safety threshold to 100 milligals because the public has already taken this safety concern, you know? That's their problem. And then then nothing happened.

• 58:11Danny Jones?

  Jesus Christ.

• 58:12Speaker 01

  That was in the late, late seventies. Yeah, I think I didn't mind notes somewhere here of everything that happened. Yeah, Nancy's study, only three milligasses in 1979. The utility funded study was in 1987, which confirmed her results. And then they were like, yeah, sorry. Um, the public has accepted this risk. And then there was guys in the nineties, um, this guy RP Liberty that showed more studies for 60 hertz fields proliferating, uh, cancer cells suppressing melatonin. And then the, the New York Times like said that this guy made up his results, even though he like graphed one table like slightly incorrect. The, the results were, were totally fine. So a lot of

• 58:55Speaker 01

  every decade, there has been a massive EMF debate and nobody knows about this. Most of the literature I'm reading, I wish I could have sent you more stuff. It's all from the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties. And then, so you just have to apply that today. Well, cause first off, the power transmission exposure is exactly the same. Nothing has changed. Like we still have 60 hertz.

• 59:15Danny Jones?

  We had the same exact power lines.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  The same exact power. Um, same, but guess what? We have.

• 59:21Danny Jones?

  Now we have 5G towers everywhere.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, but we, we also have way more stuff like just plugged in and powered. And then on top of that, we have wireless technology.

• 59:29Danny Jones?

  We have the fucking, we, we have the AirPods in our ears and the Meta VR glasses on. I have, I have a buddy who's like, he walks around all day with this. He's got a prescription Meta glasses and he films everything in fisheye, like connects to his phone. Like dude, it's insane. I wonder what those, those, um, Elon Musk brain chips are doing to people. Well, I mean, not many people have them, but like, so say you were one of the medical people that got paralyzed and how to get that chip installed. I wonder how bad that thing would be. Cause it's like in your brain, inside the gray matter.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  We just don't know. And, you know, from reading Robert Obecker's work, we know that the human body is operating at very, very low intensity, like currents and fields. So any of this exposure, even this low level exposure, and a lot of this research, actually, it's not, it's not linear. It's not dose dependent, like higher is always worse. Actually, for magnetic fields, and what really blew everyone's mind, and my mind, like three to four milligauss is, is nothing. That's like, if I'm sitting in the front passenger seat of my forerunner, I'm getting like two to four milligauss from the alternator. Like, that's-

• 1:00:36Danny Jones?

  That's what I was gonna, I was gonna ask you that, too. I was gonna say, do you have some super old car with like, not a lot of electronics in it?

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  If you want the lowest EMF car, you should buy like a 1999 Camry or something, you know, four cylinder-

• 1:00:47Danny Jones?

  What's the best truck that's low EMF, do you think?

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  I mean, something that's older would have less electronics in it, but-

• 1:00:53Danny Jones?

  The older, the better, basically.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  But the alternator is actually gonna generate magnetic fields. And again, it's, it, I wouldn't worry about your car. I would worry about like, your phone that's next to you in your lap if you're driving for a while, more so.

• 1:01:06Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  I mean, there's little you can do about, you're not gonna go shield your alternator. They probably could figure out a way to do that. But, um, that's, you know, I'm not a fan of Teslas, of course, because they have a tremendous amount of magnetic field exposure, plus-

• 1:01:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  Screens everywhere, plus-

• 1:01:21Danny Jones?

  Those batteries can be good.

• 1:01:22Speaker 01

  The semiconductor content is through the roof. Well, the batteries have to be converted to run an AC induction motor. And whenever you're converting power, like the alternator, like the invert, traction inverters that are used to convert the DC battery to run the AC induction motor-

• 1:01:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  Tremendous amount of EMX, EMF exposure, even solar inverters. Like, you know, if you're running an off-grade homestead and you're converting DC to AC, you wanna be cognizant of, of your inverter, cuz that's gonna be high power, converting, um, electricity is, is high EMFs.

• 1:01:54Danny Jones?

  Have you ever run your equipment inside of a Tesla?

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  No, I've never driven in a Tesla when I had my EMF meter.

• 1:01:59Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  But people have sent me videos. I want to. It'd be cool. But it's really hard because like you saw in your house, measuring radio frequencies is a bit challenging. I'm like, is your Bluetooth off? Is that off? Like, the baseline is very high, so you need to make sure everything is clean. And I'm not gonna lie, I've seen videos online of people like measuring Teslas. And I'm like, I'm 90% sure their phone is on when they're recording the video, so.

• 1:02:24Danny Jones?

  Right, they're recording it with their phone, right?

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  So unless that's on airplane mode, people, and you've removed every other variable, you are not measuring something accurately from a radio frequency perspective. And then who knows how close like the next cell tower is if you're in a public space.

• 1:02:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  But, yeah, so you said 5G, right? It's just everything is additive. We're subtracting nothing, and then everything else around us is getting worse. But there's so much correlative data, there's, you know, tons of studies actually getting into the nitty gritty with like rodents. Um, there was a interphone study. So people don't realize that the IARC, which is not some like end-all-be-all organization, like magnetic fields and radio frequencies.

• 1:03:07Danny Jones?

  What does that stand for?

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  International Agency of Research on Cancer.

• 1:03:10Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  They are both classified as possible carcinogens. And when they started first looking into radio frequencies in the late 80s, I think it was the EPA or one of these organizations, they did like a preliminary investigation. And they recommended that it be classified as a probable carcinogen. And then the White House did some like side quest and came up with some data and they were like, no, don't, don't do that. So, um, there's been a lot of back and forth, but the, the study that the IARC did called the interphone study, uh, was from like 2000 to 2004. They spent millions of dollars to look at cell phone users and brain cancer.

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  And this was 2000 to 2004, not a lot of people were using cell phones. So there was mixed results, but for heavy users, which was up to.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  30 minutes a day, heavy user, had statistically increased risk of brain cancer.

• 1:04:11Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:04:12Speaker 01

  So that's what I'm saying. It's like you, you kind of have to make extrapolations from the data that exists, whether it be from the seventies microwaves using the same frequencies, from phone studies from 20 years ago. Cause guess who's not studying anything indicative of our actual EMF exposure today? No one. Cause no one's gonna fund the study. All the researchers who have got canceled. And definitely the industry is not gonna publish something that could be potentially harmful. So 5G literally got rolled out with no studies, like nothing.

• 1:04:45Danny Jones?

  So 5G is interesting. 5G is like one of the top conspiracy theories out there. All the craziest, deepest tinfoil hat people are like, 5G, uh, Moderna vaccine turns on the nanobots. But one of the cra- like, when I thi- I don't know if you've ever seen the show Westworld on HBO.

• 1:05:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:04Danny Jones?

  Do you see the latest?

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  It's one of the like few TV shows I've ever watched.

• 1:05:06Danny Jones?

  It's one of my favorite shows of all time. Uh, the last season of it, they have these towers all around the city that like blast out this signal that frees all the robots. So they can go in and make repairs and they can go in and make alternations to their simulation that they're in. And I like, driving around this town now, and I see 5G towers on every fucking street corner. It, it reminds me of that, dude. It like, it, they look similar. And it's like, it's hard to avoid thinking about those just crazy cuckoo conspiracy theories. When science fiction shows are literally like utilizing the same sort of form of a thing.

• 1:05:48Danny Jones?

  But like, so, so when it comes to 5G, correct me if I'm wrong, but in your Substack article, you basically explained that it's, it's way of, way higher frequency and far more dangerous, but it's more localized. It's less like a widespread thing that blankets you.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, so 5G is complicated because it actually operates in three different frequency bands. So it still uses the low frequency similar bands as 3G and 4G. It's called like the low band, like 800, 900 megahertz to 2 gigahertz. Then there's the sub 6 gigahertz band, which is kind of in between 2 and 1/2 gigahertz to 6 gigahertz, which is also, which is new, also new, but kind of the in-between. And then there's the millimeter waves, which everyone was really concerned about because millimeter waves are like 30, 40, maybe even up to 50 gigahertz. So we're talking about like a 10x increase in frequency.

• 1:06:49Danny Jones?

  Millimeter waves.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  And that's referring to the wavelength. So frequency and wavelength are inversely related.

• 1:06:56Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  So the higher frequency you go, you get a higher energy of the wavelength and then you get a shorter, uh, sorry, you get a higher energy of the wave and then you get a shorter wavelength.

• 1:07:07Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  So that's just like when you get to 30, 40 gigahertz, it's in the millimeter wave territory as opposed to the centimeter wave territory.

• 1:07:17Danny Jones?

  Got it.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  It's just, yeah, different characteristics of EM waves. And that's a big jump. It's like 10x increase all of a sudden. We've never done this. They're higher energy, so potentially higher energy is, is a concern. And that's fair. But the problem is, uh, as you alluded to, it's more local. It's really, um, more challenging because the range on the millimeter waves is terrible. They can only go like a few hundred yards before they get eaten up by, you know, the water vapor in the air. And they get blocked by trees, they get blocked by buildings because of the characteristics of the wave at that frequency. So that's why they have to build these repeater towers everywhere else.

• 1:08:01Danny Jones?

  What's a repeater? Oh, those are the towers, 5G towers.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, the 5G towers. You know how like before you would have like one massive tower? It's like over town, over there. That's working like almost omnidirectionally where it's just spewing out like 3G, 4G. 4G signals in all angles.

• 1:08:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  Just like your wifi router is.

• 1:08:20Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  5G is different because they went to this higher frequency. The only way to really like get anywhere, they have to have a narrow beam width. Um, which when it's more narrow, it's more concentrated. So it's actually higher power. And then they have to have repeater towers. So these smaller towers, these smaller cell stations. Um, all over. So that's why you see them on light posts, on buildings, on like disguises trees, like literally everywhere. And they have this different look.

• 1:08:49Danny Jones?

  Look, it's a palm tree one.

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, they, they try and like disguise it, right? And, and they have these different looks because they have way more antennas on them because they're using a different frequency.

• 1:08:57Danny Jones?

  Feel more in tune with nature when it looks like a palm tree, an electronic palm tree blasting you with cancer.

• 1:09:03Speaker 01

  And that's, that's bad potentially because it's higher power, it's more concentrated. But they really only rolled out millimeter waves where it makes sense. Cause it's a massive infrastructure problem and it makes no sense to have like that in the suburbs or in rural places.

• 1:09:20Danny Jones?

  Can you, can you tell by looking at one of these towers if it's 5G or 4G or something else? Are there differences or are they mostly all 5Gs?

• 1:09:27Speaker 01

  Um, well, they're mostly now the newer ones with those like big white rectangular blocks are, are definitely all.

• 1:09:35Danny Jones?

  Can I show you the one out back real quick and you can see what, tell me what you think?

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:09:38Danny Jones?

  Let's take a quick break.

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• 1:10:26Danny Jones?

  All right, we just looked at the 5G tower out back and we put up your meter next to it and it looks like it's pretty hot.

• 1:10:33Speaker 01

  It is hot, it is not millimeter waves.

• 1:10:35Danny Jones?

  Change your hat, we gotta, we gotta hat change.

• 1:10:37Speaker 01

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• 1:10:43Danny Jones?

  Good, we gotta cover all the bases.

• 1:10:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, not millimeter waves because you're not in a urban downtown area. So the good thing about 5G millimeter waves, which everyone was the most freaked out about, is because they're so range dependent and very, you know, get eaten up very quickly. They're only ever going to be probably in downtown areas, entertainment centers, airports, big venues.

• 1:11:12Danny Jones?

  Vegas Strip, that's on top of the hotels?

• 1:11:14Speaker 01

  For sure, for sure. Um, where data throughput and, you know, bandwidth matters tremendously. Like if you're in a stadium with a hundred thousand people, they're going to need insane throughput and it doesn't have to go that far. So that's where they'll, they have them on now all the stadiums, you know, the top of the stadium railings have like 5G repeater towers or cells. So that's a good thing about 5G.

• 1:11:37Danny Jones?

  Well then how come when you're in one of those stadiums, you never have phone service?

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  Well, that's what they're trying to fix. So I haven't been in a pro sports stadium in a long time. So I can't tell you if it's gotten any better, but also the data throughput now, the amount of garbage we're posting on social media and downloading all the time is just always increasing. So it's like they're always just trying to catch up. And that's what people need to understand that 5G is just fifth generation wireless technology.

• 1:12:04Danny Jones?

  Does it mean gigahertz?

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  It does not mean gigahertz. It just so happens that 5 gigahertz is in the range of like where 5G mid-band is, is used. So it's very confusing and they, you know, it's very confusing for the layman because even for me diving into this, there's not a lot of information. And out there and there's a lot of people reporting on 5G in 2020, 2021. And not a lot of updates since, but I can tell you millimeter waves have actively been rolled out. Every major city in the US for sure downtown areas, entertainment centers,

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  airports especially, and they're probably never going to be rolled out in suburbia. Maybe in rural areas for sure not. So that's where the mid band like three to six gigahertz. You get the sweet spot of slightly higher frequency, slightly higher data throughput. But you're not, you know, dropping out every hundred yards. So I don't know for sure. This measures my EMF meter measures 200 megahertz to eight gigahertz. So that could be mid band, that could be low band, but for sure we went out there, we measured it. We stood like 20 feet away from it. It's hot, but what did you realize? You're like, oh, that's not even as bad as my bedroom.

• 1:13:15Danny Jones?

  Right. My bedroom was worse than that. Next to my baby monitor. That baby monitor dude was like, was like sitting next to a, to Chernobyl or something.

• 1:13:26Speaker 01

  Not quite, but it was.

• 1:13:27Danny Jones?

  Four, it was like 400,000 on that.

• 1:13:29Speaker 01

  It was about 10 times higher than standing 20 feet away from the cell tower. So that's what I like to tell you people, distance is everything. And I would worry.

• 1:13:40Danny Jones?

  10X next to a baby monitor than it was sitting next to a 5G cell phone tower.

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  Yes, that's correct.

• 1:13:46Danny Jones?

  That is insane.

• 1:13:48Speaker 01

  But also our phones were off out there. If you like connected your phone and then it was pinging the tower, again, your phone is the biggest source. The whatever is closest to you is going to be the biggest source. Like that baby monitor was, was so close to where you're sleeping.

• 1:14:02Danny Jones?

  That's true.

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  That's the problem.

• 1:14:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  And that's good. Why? You can't move a cell tower. You can change how you use your technology and how you interact with it. And it is really criminal, I would say, and something I learned and talked about on, on the Maha podcast was the legislation side of things a bit more. And the telecommunications act of 1996, it actually.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  Took away the ability for state and local government to have any say in where wireless infrastructure gets placed. It's purely a federal decision and if they give the green light to the industry, they can put towers wherever they want. And that's why you saw the 5G rollout. All of a sudden, there was towers being built everywhere. Nobody could do anything about it. And to me-

• 1:14:50Danny Jones?

  So he leases, the guy who owns this, he leases that land to them for that tower.

• 1:14:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it depends maybe on certain agreements, but for the most part, there's pretty much no say. And that was the most lobbied bill of like the time here. Like, the wireless industry lobbied like $50 million. And that was back, you know, 30 years ago. And nothing has really changed. That's also, coincidentally, the last year that wireless technology, safety thresholds and guidelines were updated. And that's what RFK and the Children's Health Defense successfully sued the FCC for being negligent in safety standards and guidelines because they haven't been updated in, you know, over 25 years.

• 1:15:33Danny Jones?

  When did he do this?

• 1:15:35Speaker 01

  2021. They won the lawsuit. You could look that up-

• 1:15:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah, look that up.

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  -see more details. Children's Health Defense sues the FCC and RFK Jr. was a presiding attorney there. And they won, but nothing's happened. So I'm really excited to, you know, I was talking to the Maha team, like, is he actually, you know, you think he's actually gonna do some stuff on EMFs? Because guess what? There's a lot of issues out there. This one's probably the hardest one to tackle from just how sticky the infrastructure situation is. Oh, it's 2022.

• 1:16:08Danny Jones?

  You gotta type in 2022 at the top, Steve.

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  Oh, no, it's good. You got it. That was the right one.

• 1:16:11Danny Jones?

  That was it.

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  Okay. Oh, no, it was 2021, the article's just in-

• 1:16:15Danny Jones?

  Okay. Okay, so this is the article. Scroll down.

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  And they made the case-

• 1:16:23Danny Jones?

  Case summary.

• 1:16:23Speaker 01

  -for children.

• 1:16:25Danny Jones?

  Challenging the FCC's Wireless Radiation Guidelines on August 31st, 2021, the US Court of Appeals of the DC Circuit published decisions on the historic case.

• 1:16:37Danny Jones?

  Health Defense in its landmark case against the Federal Communications Commission is challenging the FCC's decision to not review its health and safety guidelines regarding 5G and wireless technology. The course decision states that the FCC failed to provide a reason, a reasoned explanation for its determination that its current guidelines adequately protect against harmful effects of exposure to radio frequency radiation and failed to review the extensive evidence, the extensive evidence, scientific evidence and evidence of existing sicknesses that was filed with the FCC.

• 1:17:16Danny Jones?

  So, nothing's changed. So, they won the case, but there's been no sort of extra regulations put on these people, or maybe they just got a shitload more money from them.

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  I, nothing's happened, and that's why I'm really excited to see.

• 1:17:30Danny Jones?

  Has he talked about, has RFK talked about any of this stuff, like, in the last six months?

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  He has a little bit, but not, not a ton. And I don't think it's the place to start, to be honest. Like, this stuff is hard. What is he gonna do? You can't just, like, snap your fingers and all of a sudden red 40 dye is gone, you know? That doesn't exist with, with radio frequencies.

• 1:17:51Danny Jones?

  Well, the crazy thing about him is, like, all, before he got confirmed by the Senate, there was all these senators coming out saying, like, if he starts saying crazy stuff, we're not voting for his ass.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's playing the game, so.

• 1:18:03Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, you have to play the game.

• 1:18:05Speaker 01

  You have to play the game.

• 1:18:06Danny Jones?

  That's the unfortunate part of the whole, of the whole thing, because it's so, I mean, it's gotta be so, I mean, who's to say he's not corruptible? We don't know that. He's never been in this position before.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  But just spending time with his team, they told me, they're like, they, he is fired up about EMFs, and the Children's Health Defense, like, they're two big topics, like, EMFs is one of them, the vaccines are the other one, and, you know, I'm stoked to see if there's anything that's gonna come of, of the EMF situation, because it's so hard. What are they gonna do? These towers already exist. We're operating on this wireless infrastructure. It's not like they can just switch to something different. They could change the safety thresholds and guidelines, you know, Russia's other Eastern European countries. They do have more stringent standards and they do have even more stringent standards for like schools and hospitals, et cetera.

• 1:18:59Speaker 01

  But I don't think that would make like a meaningful change. What I would really like to see is better science, better research. Let's fund some studies from the HHS or the NIH that's simulating what the actual exposure is. Okay, we have a 2.4 gigahertz Wi-Fi. Danny just made a call on 900 megahertz and there's another like 6 gigahertz band over there. That's a real life exposure and there's all these different input signals. There's been, there's never been a study done like that and all the industry funded studies are an absolute joke. And then the ones that people have skated by on are really old are not exactly applied to how technology is working today.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  So I think that's probably the biggest impact that that he can make in in the short term. And, you know, at daylight, I'm gonna try and reinvent wireless technology. I'm just gonna think of something and hopefully we can try it out. Maybe get some research grants to to look into like, what if we use infrared range for wireless data communication? That's an option. Li-Fi actually is a thing. So people are.

• 1:20:05Danny Jones?

  Li-fi?

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's it's using infrared terahertz wavelengths to data, use data communication. But I'm skeptical that that even that would be non-harmful to humans. The idea is. So radio frequencies, Danny, if I go, if I go to the mountains where I hunt, do you know what this says? It says zero, zero.

• 1:20:28Danny Jones?

  Nothing.

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  Nothing. This 200 megahertz, 8 gigahertz is completely alien. It doesn't exist. Light fidelity.

• 1:20:38Danny Jones?

  Whoa, that's Li-Fi, light fidelity, wireless communication technology that uses light to transmit data over visible light, ultraviolet and infrared spectrums.

• 1:20:48Speaker 01

  So potentially.

• 1:20:49Danny Jones?

  High uh transmitter is available from high Persian high period texts tech, which features a nine forty N M one W I R L E D and supports a wide bandwidth one hundred uh K H Z to twenty five M H C. Okay, whatever the fuck that means.

• 1:21:10Speaker 01

  That's one watt. One watt infrared nine hundred forty nanometers. So it's basically an infrared L E D. And they're using it to transmit data, which is cool because the idea is we are used to infrared light like that's that's something the body has taken as an input signal for a long time. So it is, it would be less harmful potentially than radio frequency, which is completely alien. However, I'm not one hundred percent certain that that would still be the the case because a lot of the research from the seventies, from Alan Frey, from folks like Dr. Martin Powell, who has looked into like voltage gated ion channel activation from E M Fs. They all say the same thing that it's not just about the frequency, it's about the modulation.

• 1:21:52Speaker 01

  So a frequency is one component, but in order to get the data through, you have to modulate the wave to carry the data um to be received by um, you know, the the receiving trans receiver. And that is very pulsed. It's it's very unnatural, like sunlight and electromagnetic waves in nature are just like continuous waves. Uh, they don't have modulation techniques applied to them. So you still are gonna have to modulate an infrared wave because you need to, there needs to be data on the wave, or else like that's the whole point of wireless technology. So I'm curious. I would love to test it. I would love to see research on alternative

• 1:22:35Speaker 01

  solutions like that. And that's kind of what's what's exciting. But there's it's multifaceted. It's very complicated. We started talking about light. Dude, light's pretty easy. I'm not gonna lie. Well, we just need to copy the sun. Um, the rest of the electromagnetic spectrum is is far more complex. And I we haven't even talked about like the earth's natural magnetic field and resonance and, you know, fields interacting with each other, having a biological effect. There's there's a lot going on.

• 1:23:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Um, so.

• 1:23:07Danny Jones?

  When it comes to the daylight computer, how did you guys get, how did you and Anjan get hooked up about it? And then, and then, um, what specifically are, are you working on in regards to the technology and everything you guys are doing at the company?

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I had Anjan on my podcast last January, um, my old podcast where I talked about.

• 1:23:27Danny Jones?

  A year ago, January?

• 1:23:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:29Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:23:29Speaker 01

  Over a year ago, um, decentralized radio is called a lot of, had a lot of these researchers that, you know, I, I've read their papers. And I just wanted to ask them questions about kind of this electromagnetic health stuff. And yeah, halfway through the podcast, I was kind of in between. I left my engineering job like three, four months earlier. I worked in the semiconductor industry for five years and I'm an electrical engineer, but I went right into the more of the business side of product, marketing management of, of the industry. And then was building my, you know, health brand and podcasting and writing, coaching a bit. Was like, ah, I don't really know. That's not what I meant to do. I have this kind of very specific skillset. And then I met Anjan. I was like, oh, this is, this is the most important company in the world to succeed.

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  Cause there, there is no alternative. No one's building healthier tech. And I knew it was possible. Like I knew about all this stuff. It was engineering changes that needed to happen, but you're competing with the biggest companies in the world. So the barrier to entry is so high. But Anjan's like, yeah, we're releasing a product to the market in like six months or five months.

• 1:24:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but you guys are going the opposite direction.

• 1:24:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:34Danny Jones?

  You're not competing with them. You're, you're almost in a completely separate world.

• 1:24:38Speaker 01

  But I know how, working in the chip industry, I knew how hard it is to get started because nobody cares about you when you're low volume. Nobody cares about you. Everyone's doing hundreds of thousands, millions and millions of units. So when you're a small guy, it's so hard to get started. So I knew it from that perspective as well. And then, yeah, I jumped on board. I was like, I'm working for you full time. I started like, I started just like health marketing stuff. He didn't even know like what exactly I did in the past, but I slowly just took on more and more. And now I'm head of operations and marketing. So I'm kind of like, yeah, running the company with Anjan and.

• 1:25:14Danny Jones?

  Dude, it's such an exciting product. I don't think I've ever been so excited about a tech product in my life. Like other than, other than when the iPhone first came out. Cause I remember when the first iPhone came out, I think it was like 20, 2008, 2009, something like that. And like my buddy had one and it was just like, holy shit, how does this fucking exist? This thing you just touch it, you swipe it, it makes these little sounds and it makes the the screen changes and it does things just with touch. It was like, it was, there's not been anything since the first iPhone came out, that groundbreaking technologically, consumer wise, in my experience.

• 1:25:51Danny Jones?

  But like this, it's the same, it's a touchscreen, but like, it is, the goal of it is to reduce all the negative effects of technology, which there's nothing else like that, that I've ever seen, which is why it's so fucking cool. Because you can do things like read a book, browse the internet, listen to podcasts, sketch on it, all this crazy stuff, and it is optimized to work outside, which is, I love it because I'm, I've literally been outside, spending more time outside during the day, reading, which is great, and it makes me get my ass out there. And like, you know, everything about it is just, is just amazing. I literally, I just told you before we started the podcast, I, I take notes on this during

• 1:26:34Danny Jones?

  every podcast now, which is like, and it's cool because you can save it all, and you're not dealing with this thing that's connected to this whole like, Apple walled garden, where all of these notifications are connected to everything on my phone, my computer, my laptop, like, it's just disconnected, decentralized, which is why it's so fucking sick. And, um, you know, I don't know, I think that, uh, that there's gotta be, I mean, A, I understand it's gonna be really fucking hard for you guys, and I'm sure you could probably elaborate on that a little bit, but, um, that vision that you guys have and like that, the why behind your company is, is completely genuine and completely unique.

• 1:27:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's cool because people are ready for it. And, you know, just talking to, you know, like the, the Maha stuff is like, is this real? Like, is this, I've been doing this stuff for like six, seven years now, and there's people who've been talking about this stuff for decades and, you know, I met some friends in Austin that have been living kind of this life for 15 years, and it's like, this is actually Finally happen, you know, we have so much momentum. People are becoming aware of these problems. It's kind of the benefit of of the internet and of social media to some degree and podcasts like yourself, like the new age of media. Actually being able to elaborate on these topics like. People can listen to this podcast and be like, yeah, this guy, he's pretty fired up about health and EMF. So it's it's not.

• 1:27:59Speaker 01

  There's nothing to fake here, like same with Anjan, right? They can get on a podcast. It's so genuine. Our mar- our marketing is just, it's real. And that's the company mission is let's return to what's actually real, like get outside. Let's have real conversations, real relationships. Not being sucked into the Apple ecosystem or the Google ecosystem. And especially for children, which we're most passionate about. They are just being set up for failure on every level because we're handing them devices at such a young age. And not only is there direct impact from the light, the EMFs. Keeping them indoors and then that's the reality they grow up in. And they're just missing out on all of that experience and. Who is surprised when there's all these mental health issues?

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  And physical health issues that that stem from that. So. For us, we're just so grateful and there is no one else, you know, doing this. There's no one who's ever. Made a consumer electronics hardware product. It's like, I'm going to market this to be healthier. So we think it's a massive opportunity. We're super excited. We're super focused on on building better solutions and I'm actively talking about things we're looking into. Like I hope someone else talks or looks into Li-Fi and. We want to add infrared LEDs to our backlight and maybe. Do a few other things and we're investigating, but if you have ideas or you have experience, like hit us up. We we want to collaborate with people because we're still a really small team.

• 1:29:26Speaker 01

  And it's going to take some time to to keep improving on this, but. Even the first gen product, I, you know, I'd use it for everything almost and. At least every day for four to five hours, taking notes and messaging and. That's like.

• 1:29:42Danny Jones?

  You can send messages on it?

• 1:29:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, like WhatsApp, Slack.

• 1:29:46Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 1:29:46Speaker 01

  Telegram. Yeah, yeah. You can, you can, you can do that. When you connect the keyboard, it definitely unlocks more of the, the full computer functionality.

• 1:29:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:54Speaker 01

  But yeah, it's great. I mean, I can't work on things that I'm not like super passionate about. So I'm just so grateful that I have this opportunity. Where everything I've done the past decade, basically can be channeled into making daylight a success. And if daylight's a success, then people have the optionality to make better choices in terms of technology that isn't harmful for their health.

• 1:30:18Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Anjan was explaining how this screen technology, you could like only find it in Japan.

• 1:30:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. That's where he pioneered it. He innovated with some researchers and we're manufacturing it. So the display is the innovation.

• 1:30:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Cause it's like, cause it's like a Kindle on steroids, but it's not because, because you can zoom in and out. It's super quick, but it looks like that ink. What is the ink?

• 1:30:44Speaker 01

  Electronic ink is what Kindle.

• 1:30:46Danny Jones?

  Looks like electronic ink.

• 1:30:47Speaker 01

  All the e-readers use.

• 1:30:48Danny Jones?

  So this is the only device that has that, that special Japanese techno, screen technology that utilizes that.

• 1:30:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's out. It's Anjan came up with that with the researchers and then they're implementing it from a manufacturing perspective. So it's the only, you know, 60 plus frames per second refresh rate e-paper product tablet.

• 1:31:14Danny Jones?

  What does, have you guys talked to anybody? I asked Anjan this, but from your perspective, like, how much time have you spent in like Silicon Valley around other people that are working for other tech companies? And have you seen like what their reactions are to this stuff or this topic in general?

• 1:31:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, most of our investors and a lot of our early supporters are from Silicon Valley, I would say. And there are people I think that are seeing what's coming. They, and they've seen what they've created and worked on and how it's really not bringing out the best in people anymore. And they themselves, I think we're at a point now where if you ask the average person, they're like, yeah, social media and my phone, I don't really have the best relationship with, with that. It's I'm kind of addicted and it's true. Everyone, literally myself included, probably you like we get in, we doom scroll like it's designed that way. It's so hard to not be sucked in.

• 1:32:09Speaker 01

  And then those people, a lot of them, you know, they either have money, disposable income because they did make some wealth from whatever SaaS startup or other company they they had and they want to support something that seems a bit more meaningful. And yeah, I would say a lot of our early supporters, they're they're big, deep work people. So productivity, reading, writing. And I would say overall, from the individual perspective, the reception in Silicon Valley has been pretty great. I mean, I don't hang out there a lot. I live in Wyoming. So, but from what I've, you know, experienced and gathered, it's it's been really positive. I think it's it's been positive in so many ways. And we just went to South by Southwest and we won like an innovation.

• 1:32:53Danny Jones?

  Oh, in Austin.

• 1:32:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, in Austin. We won an innovation award and a bunch of people, especially parents, were coming up to us like, this is so amazing. Like, I've been looking for something like this, like, you know, can't wait to get this for my daughter because I just like, don't want to give her an iPad. But I it's helpful to have something and you could probably relate to that better than me. But that's what's cool about this and we haven't even spent a ton of effort on on marketing and we don't really have the bandwidth.

• 1:33:19Danny Jones?

  You guys have the sickest website I've ever seen in my life.

• 1:33:21Speaker 01

  We did. We spent a lot of effort on the website and the launch videos. I will say that. But then after that, we haven't, um, we've kind of been quiet.

• 1:33:29Danny Jones?

  If you can scroll through this website and not spend money on this iPad, then this healthy iPad, I call it a healthy iPad. That's what my kid calls it.

• 1:33:37Speaker 01

  Acceptable. It's acceptable.

• 1:33:38Danny Jones?

  If you can't, if you can scroll through this website and not buy one, you have enormous self-control.

• 1:33:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, our team did such an incredible job on that. Um, it's it's it's brilliant. And that's the thing where we, when we do things, we want to do it, you know, on brand. So it's it's not like jumping out and having all these, you know, colors in your face and any type of content. We're we're trying to be very true to our brand and very authentic. But that's why, um, you know, discussions like this podcast is so powerful because people can actually align with, you know, what we stand for and hear Anjan, hear myself talk about these topics and. That's that's what it's all about for me, but we've been building. So we're really excited at, you know, what's to come in the next couple of years. And for us, this is just the beginning, really.

• 1:34:27Danny Jones?

  So does this, obviously, it's very unique screen technology because there's no blue light. And you guys have this sort of like incandescent color, right? This like full spectrum color to it. But like, what have you done? Or what do you guys plan on doing with like the frequencies? Like the, because does this put out the same radiation as an iPhone?

• 1:34:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. So the EMFs have not been optimized at all at the hardware level. We technically have a weaker Wi-Fi chip because we're just like a startup with a worse Wi-Fi chip.

• 1:34:58Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 1:34:58Speaker 01

  And like an iPad. Yeah. I've done like a head to head of this versus my MacBook. And it's actually like significantly lower for just that reason, which is pretty funny. We're coming out with smart airplane mode, which is going to be a software update, which takes very little effort. Any company could do it where, say, right here, this is connected to Wi-Fi, but I haven't used it in like a minute. They're just going airplane mode.

• 1:35:23Danny Jones?

  Oh, cool.

• 1:35:24Speaker 01

  And then instead of pinging the network every eight to 10 seconds, like right now, like same with my phone, like I manually put it in airplane mode. Like it's in airplane mode right now. If you're not a psychopath like me who does that all the time, you're never going to do that. But if it was sitting next to you, do you do you need it constantly connected? And then maybe it just pings like when you have a custom setting every five minutes or on a daylight. That's not what this is for. So it can be in airplane mode much longer.

• 1:35:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:52Speaker 01

  And we're thinking of what's the best way to do it. But that's such an easy lift for us. Smart airplane mode. And, you know, you won't have to remember to do that. Then in the next generation products, we're definitely looking into how we can optimize EMFs, EMI, radiation, RF at the hardware level.

• 1:36:14Speaker 01

  But I'm gonna say, this is, it's pretty complex, it's pretty tricky. Like, we're gonna be the first company that's ever tried to do this. And so we have some ideas, like, hey, what if there's some sensors on the daylight computer to where it knows your position in space? And then it's only outputting the radiation, the Wi-Fi connectivity, like, away from you.

• 1:36:35Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:36:35Speaker 01

  That would be cool. And that actually wouldn't be too challenging to do. A lot of the newer chipsets have directionality, functionality. Um, so that should be possible, like theoretically in my head. So I'm gonna explore that. And, you know, Wi-Fi is all around the room, so it's not, it's not gonna make your connection or your throughput any worse.

• 1:36:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:36:57Speaker 01

  So that's something, there's shielding, there's filtering potentially to look into. But again, if you're an electrical engineer, listening to this, and I'm not an RF engineer, but if anyone has any ideas, hit me up. [email protected]. Or the Li-Fi thing, like, long-term, maybe that's it. Maybe in like a couple of generations, we build a Li-Fi router and we move our devices to that. Cause, cause what I can tell you, Danny, no one's gonna move to hardwired internet. I do that in my house. Um, cause I'm, I, I think for at-home setups.

• 1:37:31Danny Jones?

  You're a psycho.

• 1:37:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think for at-home setups, it's actually not bad, because...

• 1:37:35Danny Jones?

  Well, hardwired?

• 1:37:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you, if you set it up to where...

• 1:37:40Danny Jones?

  Sorry to wake up, you wanna try it?

• 1:37:41Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:37:41Danny Jones?

  It's like a ammonia salt, so it just wakes you up.

• 1:37:45Speaker 01

  That's what the kids are doing now.

• 1:37:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I have to do it every once in a while.

• 1:37:48Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:37:50Speaker 01

  That was a light sniff.

• 1:37:51Danny Jones?

  No Wi-Fi necessary.

• 1:37:54Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 1:37:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, so if you connect it, like, if you set it up the way it's not super inconvenient.

• 1:38:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:03Speaker 01

  It's better, you get better data throughput, it's more security.

• 1:38:06Danny Jones?

  It is, yeah.

• 1:38:06Speaker 01

  And then you have lower EMF exposure as well. So I think for like home office setups, if you're building a new house or getting a new setup and you just pay someone to do it, if you have the means, you can make it pretty convenient. But if you're on the go, like your phone, no one's ever gonna hardwire their phone.

• 1:38:21Danny Jones?

  Well, that's like the crazy thing about like, you know, people talk about this internet of things with 5G.

• 1:38:27Speaker 01

  Smart homes.

• 1:38:28Danny Jones?

  Smart homes and, you know, everything just being connected everywhere.

• 1:38:33Danny Jones?

  And you know, it's scary, dude. It's I just had this dude in here a couple of months ago was talking about how his TV was spying on him. And these people, these like hackers were like messaging him, trying to extort him because they were like recording, recording shit he did off of his TV, like not just audio, but I think video too.

• 1:38:52Speaker 01

  Is he like a prevalent guy?

• 1:38:54Danny Jones?

  No, he's just a random guy. Just a random dude. I forgot. No, he was working on a movie or something. He was like an actor in a movie. And I don't know, it was a crazy story, but like,

• 1:39:07Danny Jones?

  you know, how like, looking at China, for example, with all of the security state that they live in and the cameras everywhere and I don't know how much 5G they use. But I imagine, especially living in the dense metropolitan areas in China, just bringing your little meter out there would make it probably explode with all the connectivity that they have.

• 1:39:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:32Danny Jones?

  You know?

• 1:39:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. And and do you need that? Do you need like your washing machine to talk to your smart meter to talk to your, you know, Amazon accounts or like really do we actually need that or is that just a byproduct of the fiat economy and selling us more stuff that we don't need and collecting data that is just gonna sell more product to us? So we're we're big privacy advocates too, like I'm.

• 1:39:54Danny Jones?

  That's where the tinfoil hat really starts to shine is when you think about all the things that there are all these smart products and the internet of things and government control because like the most of this stuff is in China where they have complete to total control and surveillance over everybody with all this technology that they have. So when you have your washing machine or your hair dryer that has a microphone built into it, you know, it's just like, where does that road lead?

• 1:40:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:22Danny Jones?

  You know?

• 1:40:23Speaker 01

  And it might just be for collecting data so they can sell you more products, but even if it's just that, that's also.

• 1:40:29Danny Jones?

  Even if it is just that, right, which it most likely is, it's most likely not.

• 1:40:32Speaker 01

  It doesn't even matter. I don't want that. I don't want that invasion of my privacy and I definitely don't want to be sold more products. So to me, regardless of where we stand on the reason for all this, it's it's it's not okay and it can't, you know, change. But we we didn't even talk about, you know, some of the the mind control or you said moving people around, something that is very factual is like.

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• 1:41:42Speaker 01

  The military does use radio frequencies for like active denial systems. They're calling, they use millimeter waves. So.

• 1:41:50Danny Jones?

  Active denial?

• 1:41:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's this 95 gigahertz.

• 1:41:54Danny Jones?

  You're talking like crowd control stuff?

• 1:41:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's a real thing. It's been like 20 years. And that is straight up just a very high powered 95 gigahertz millimeter wave.

• 1:42:02Danny Jones?

  The videos of it are insane.

• 1:42:03Speaker 01

  And they can crank it to where it feels like your skin is on fire. It feels like your body, because it has such a, it'll heat your body up like five, 10 degrees in a matter of seconds. So that's where, this is not a conspiracy theory. That exists. And there is definitely.

• 1:42:20Danny Jones?

  Top one, Steve.

• 1:42:21Speaker 01

  Like, like you were saying, if they wanted to move people around like in Westworld, I'm sure they, they could do that if they actually wanted to do that, they could do that. And maybe that's like what warfare is all about.

• 1:42:34Danny Jones?

  So give us some volume on this.

• 1:42:38Danny Jones?

  So these are volunteers.

• 1:42:42Speaker 06

  Their new active denial system boasts a reach far beyond any other non-lethal system.

• 1:42:48Speaker 07

  Well, it's a versatile system. And it has a, a range of non-lethal capability that we can't even come close to with any of our fielded systems.

• 1:42:59Danny Jones?

  Just play it, let it play.

• 1:42:59Speaker 07

  It goes very shallow into where your nerve receptors are. And there's no, no permanent injury caused by it. Very safe system. And we built in some safety margins and training for the operators.

• 1:43:13Speaker 06

  They even let any of the guests volunteer to test out its effectiveness and safety. Including the assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps and Assistant Secretary of the Navy. Most described it as feeling like a hot oven or grill being opened up.

• 1:43:33Speaker 07

  It is something that, once again, probably the safest system that we've developed as far as the non-lethal capability.

• 1:43:40Speaker 06

  From Washington, I'm Sergeant Andrew Milner.

• 1:43:43Danny Jones?

  The safest non-lethal.

• 1:43:45Speaker 01

  They put non-lethal and safe in there a lot of times.

• 1:43:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:48Speaker 01

  But then...

• 1:43:49Danny Jones?

  And these people having seizures the next day.

• 1:43:51Speaker 01

  They blasted it on someone and they moved them. So that's moving crowd control right there. So that's not a conspiracy theory. And I think...

• 1:43:58Danny Jones?

  No, they've been doing this stuff since the Cold War.

• 1:44:00Speaker 01

  And I sent you, I think, a PDF. I haven't even, I need to read it again, but there's literally directed energy weapon documents from the military that you can just look up.

• 1:44:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:10Speaker 01

  It's not conspiracy theory. This is warfare in 2025. It's gonna be all drones. It's gonna be all DDWs, lasers, and EM waves.

• 1:44:19Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:44:20Speaker 01

  And that's, if they wanted to use it on civilians. I think the other case to be made is, you know, some of these research studies from the past that show like rats becoming docile from, you know, electric field or magnetic field exposure and things like that. There's like maybe a case to be made there, but then guess what? Everyone is consuming the same environment. So would they, would they be doing that to themselves? Maybe they have some crystal that protects them. I don't know. But, yeah.

• 1:44:52Speaker 01

  To me, it doesn't matter. It's like, we have a problem here and we need to, we need to think of what's a better solution for wireless technology, but...

• 1:45:01Danny Jones?

  So what was that thing you were telling me about that I could, that you could install on your breaker panel? To, it's like a switch or something that you can use to turn off a certain room in your house? Like at nighttime when you're going to bed, just flip off, flip off the power in your room?

• 1:45:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. So we said that turning your circuit breaker off in your bedroom would have a drastic effect on reducing your AC body voltage.

• 1:45:21Danny Jones?

  We turned the, we turned the breaker off just for my bedroom and it reduced it by like 100,000, by like 10,000 times.

• 1:45:27Speaker 01

  The... Yeah, yeah, it was, um, you don't want to turn your breaker on and off all the time. Like mechanical switches like that were not meant to be like, it's not a light switch. It technically could be unsafe after a certain point. So you would never recommend someone do that. You probably could do it on a new breaker. But the safe thing to do would be together, like a relay install. And then, uh, there's companies that make solutions where they can hook it up to a remote control and that just flips on and off. So you could be like, hey, I want my bedroom, the kids' bedroom, uh, to be on this to where I hit the button at 10:00 PM, the circuit breakers turn off and only the kitchen and

• 1:46:09Speaker 01

  the AC is powered on at night so that my, uh, electrical power and low frequency EMF exposure is far reduced. So you can get that, you can, there's companies that make solutions like that. And there's also like, you could just ask your electrician to, to probably do something like that if, if you have a good electrician. So that's something to consider.

• 1:46:28Danny Jones?

  Save power and don't bake your brain.

• 1:46:30Speaker 01

  There we go. And then you can use that electricity that you're not using to power your incandescent bulbs, right?

• 1:46:38Speaker 01

  There's a lot. I mean, I think there's a lot of studies out there and I would say the vast majority, if not all of them, like nine, 80 to 90% of them that aren't funded by industry, show harmful biological effects. And I would say this is kind of a very inconvenient truth for people. So I don't want to be like fear mongering, you know, you're going to die because of all this 5G and wifi. It's just another stressor on top of this toxic cake. We have the food, we have the plastics, we have the water, we have the lights, we have now the EMFs. It is another thing. And in my opinion, the electromagnetic environment might be the most important if, if not the

• 1:47:19Speaker 01

  because it's what we're consuming 24/7, 365 days a year. And, and the argument usually made against it is that non-ionizing radiation isn't harmful. And we already talked about studies of weak magnetic fields, increasing risk of childhood leukemia. We looked at other studies for. You know, cellphone exposure risk, that's all non-ionizing. So I think that's without foundation. And I think that's just something that people use because that's what they've been taught. And it's like a blanket statement that is like, oh, there's no way. And it's invisible, it's intangible. So people really can't um understand the the the impact that it's having.

• 1:48:00Speaker 01

  But it's it's a low level stressor that's present in the environment, disrupting your sleep. It's disrupting your your cellular communication, like your mitochondria are really the the hub of communication and energy production. And think of it, right? Like, think of it like me and you are in this room. We're talking to each other. We can hear each other very clearly. It's great conversation. Imagine if 50 people were in here. You think we'd be able to hear each other as clearly. Imagine if there's 100 people in here. The signal to noise ratio because of this electromagnetic environment that's alien has never been lower. There's all this noise going on and our body is using electromagnetic fields to communicate, to drive cellular processes.

• 1:48:43Speaker 01

  And when we have these non-native input signals, that becomes distorted. And then we get, you know, timing interruptions. We get just, there's trillions of cellular um reactions and and functions being executed like every second. Yeah. And to me, that's how people should think about this, is that there's so much noise going on. And it's constantly keeping us in this sympathetic dominant um fighter flight state. So you really never have that chance to be in the state that you're meant to be and fully relaxed and and executing functions normally. And at the lowest level, our biology is electromagnetic, you know, that that's what people can't conceive. And I'm like, what are we using to measure all of these things in the hospital?

• 1:49:26Speaker 01

  Use an EEG to measure your brain, an EKG, those are purely electrical. Yeah. MRI machines for torn ACLs, cancers, it's magnetic magnetic resonance imaging and.

• 1:49:38Speaker 01

  There's just such a disconnect between medicine, modern medicine, academia, and this world of electromagnetism because no one's really taught physics. And then the physicists and engineers, they don't know anything about biology. So that's the only reason why people like talk to me is because I'm.

• 1:49:57Danny Jones?

  You're the only one that's making the.

• 1:49:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, one of few people. There's a lot of good folks out there, but a lot of them have been, you know, suppressed, had their funding stripped over the years and nothing has changed. Like, go and read a lot of these books. The Invisible Rainbow is is an amazing one. Robert, or sorry, rest in peace to Arthur Firstenberg, the guy who wrote that just died two weeks ago.

• 1:50:20Danny Jones?

  What was that one about?

• 1:50:21Speaker 01

  That was more high level and he correlated that the electrification of society directly correlated with the increase of of chronic disease. Now, that happened across the 20th century, mostly in the 40s and then, you know, 99% of society was electrified in in this by the 60s.

• 1:50:41Danny Jones?

  Chronic disease, was there any like specification of like which disease was the most prevalent out of them?

• 1:50:47Speaker 01

  Heart disease. I sent I sent you a picture of like the one graph he had. I'm gonna pull it up on my phone. But it's basically, again, this is correlation, not causation.

• 1:50:56Danny Jones?

  I can text it to Steve. He could show it on the screen.

• 1:50:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like rate of rural heart disease in in 1940, which was when a lot, only the the cool states had electricity.

• 1:51:06Danny Jones?

  Okay, this thing I should send it?

• 1:51:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:51:08Danny Jones?

  All right, Steve, I'm gonna email this to you right now.

• 1:51:10Speaker 01

  And basically, Arthur Firstenberg just just talks about that and he talks about some crazy stuff that telecom cables, when they were introduced in the late 1800s, all of a sudden, the flu went from being something that happened like every five to eight years, now happened every single year. And it used to be more tracked to.

• 1:51:32Danny Jones?

  The flu?

• 1:51:33Speaker 01

  The flu used to only be a phenomenon, apparently, that occurred like every few years, like really badly, and it correlated with the solar cycles. So there's an 11-year solar cycle and we're actually in a peak year right now. So if you're wondering why a bunch of crazy stuff is happening, you could say the solar cycle has somewhat of impact because there's a solar maximum and that means the most amount of sunspots are happening, the most amount of geomagnetic storms, which means the most about of like magnetic variables and disturbances. And that's been studied and looked at and having like-

• 1:52:06Danny Jones?

  It's called a solar cycle?

• 1:52:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, 11 year and we're in a solar maximum.

• 1:52:10Danny Jones?

  Can you look that up? I need to read about this. How have I not had anyone tell me about this?

• 1:52:14Speaker 01

  July, July 2025 is the peak, so-

• 1:52:17Danny Jones?

  July 2025 is the peak of the solar cycle, meaning there's more electricity?

• 1:52:21Speaker 01

  There's more, you can read it.

• 1:52:23Danny Jones?

  Okay, the solar cycle, which is approximately 11 years long, is the periodic change in the sun's activity, measured by variations in the number of sunspots on the surface. Okay, the cycle is driven by the sun's magnetic field, which reverses direction every 11 years, lending to fluctuations in solar radiation, ejections from solar, of solar material, and the currents of solar flares in, and coronal loops. The 11 year period is influenced by the differential rotation speed between the sun's poles and equator, causing the magnetic field to stretch and eventually reverse? So the, the magnetic field of the sun reverses every 11 years? Is that what this is saying?

• 1:53:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's having an impact on the magnetic environment on the earth. And there's studies that look at, you know, psychiatric patients and overall like mental health of people that are very sensitive and, and when there's increased solar activity and magnetic disturbances, that can be felt. Sometimes it's positive, sometimes it's negative, but there's, there's more variation. And this is all what I'm getting at here-

• 1:53:34Danny Jones?

  Keep scrolling down, Steve. Sorry, keep going.

• 1:53:36Speaker 01

  Is that we are electromagnetic beings. The only reason there's life on this planet, Danny, is because we have a magnetic field that protects us from all of the ionizing, a lot of the ionizing radiation from the sun. And we have a magnetic field in the earth because the earth has a molten iron core-

• 1:53:54Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:53:54Speaker 01

  -just moving charges-

• 1:53:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:55Speaker 01

  And that moving charge is- Is creating a powerful magnetic field that's protecting us. And that magnetic field is driving our biology. It actually influences our circadian rhythm. And that's why potentially these weak magnetic fields from power lines and, you know, other products are harmful.

• 1:54:13Danny Jones?

  Look at that NASA link.

• 1:54:14Speaker 01

  Because we are, you know, it's called electromagnetic interference in electrical engineering. When we have interference or noise on the line, that's disrupting the real input signal. And the real input signal we need is the earth's magnetic field, the Schumann's resonance, which is a natural resonance phenomenon in the earth and the solar spectrum.

• 1:54:35Danny Jones?

  The sun has a magnetic pole flip every 11 years. That'd be like north and the south poles swapping places every decade. And the sun transitions from being calm to, holy shit, dude.

• 1:54:50Speaker 01

  If that happened on earth, we would not exist.

• 1:54:52Danny Jones?

  It would, exactly. It'd wipe out humanity.

• 1:54:55Speaker 01

  That's also happening slowly. Magnetic pole reversal is definitely happening.

• 1:54:59Danny Jones?

  The north pole is moving, and we just talked about this a couple of weeks ago. It's like a couple of feet per year, right? It was like 12 feet per year. Is that right, Steve?

• 1:55:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was like a few feet. I don't remember.

• 1:55:10Danny Jones?

  A few people.

• 1:55:11Speaker 01

  And it's increasing and the overall strength of the magnetic field is decreasing. So we're definitely in the early stages probably of a magnetic pole reversal. But these things take thousands of years to play out. So this is what we should be studying more, not like going to Mars, in my opinion. But we are learning a lot about the magnetic or electromagnetic environment by looking in space. So I will say that. But that's what I'm trying to get at here is we are designed for this electromagnetic environment that goes on into the earth. So I usually.

• 1:55:42Danny Jones?

  We evolved here.

• 1:55:43Speaker 01

  I usually start podcasts with telling people that, but we're doing the opposite here. Because I want people to know that we are electromagnetic beings. And the Schumann's resonance, for example, is a phenomenon where lightning strikes occur. And there's electromagnetic resonance in the cavity in the atmosphere. And the earth's naturally resonating at like seven to eight hertz in its first harmonic. That's the same frequency as our alpha brainwave. And you know, that's, that's not a coincidence that that occurs. And then when we have these low frequency fields from technology. It, of course, it's going to have a potential effect on our mental states. Yeah.

• 1:56:22Speaker 01

  And that's something that, again, is very esoteric for mainstream science and medicine, but it's the truth. And the overall acknowledgement that we just need to study more phenomenons on the electromagnetic environment. And the other point I want to make here is that this is all very localized. So if I were to give a recommendation for health, it's not only, you know, getting outdoors is beneficial and getting connected to your environment is beneficial because we are designed to take all the input signals from our local environment. But that local environment is different depending where you are. So what you're doing in Florida and what I'm doing in Wyoming is different.

• 1:57:07Speaker 01

  Like, and different modalities and foods and things will affect us differently because the electromagnetic environment is different. There's a different magnetic field coming out of the earth at different directional vectors. And that's where all this gets really complicated because there are things such as resonance with certain molecules in our body that are interacting with various fields such as the electromagnetic field of the earth. And depending on your location, it's going to have a different effect. So if we do research this stuff, there's just so many confounding independent variables to consider, and I hope someone has the foresight to think about all of that. But that's also why where you live and embracing the local environment and season is very important

• 1:57:50Speaker 01

  because we're cyclical creatures and everything that goes on, even the magnetic field of the earth has a rhythm, our circadian rhythms, the seasonality. I'm very big on all of that stuff. And it's kind of nuanced. So even the mainstream health influencers, like, you know, they live on a beach somewhere and the tropics, you really shouldn't always follow their advice if you live in the northeast and it's January. Right.

• 1:58:17Danny Jones?

  Um, okay, so this says the magnetic, uh, the pole has been moving at a rate of forty five kilometers per year. North, northwest.

• 1:58:25Speaker 01

  You said feet, you're off by a little bit.

• 1:58:27Danny Jones?

  So what's forty five kilometers to feet?

• 1:58:29Speaker 01

  A lot.

• 1:58:30Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:58:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:32Danny Jones?

  What is it?

• 1:58:32Speaker 01

  Forty five, that's like thirty miles.

• 1:58:35Danny Jones?

  Oh shit. Forty five kilometers is like thirty miles? That's, that's crazy if that's real.

• 1:58:41Speaker 01

  Is it that much? Wow.

• 1:58:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, almost exactly.

• 1:58:44Danny Jones?

  Twenty seven miles per year?

• 1:58:49Danny Jones?

  Oh my god.

• 1:58:50Speaker 01

  That's what we should be studying. Like, I think.

• 1:58:54Danny Jones?

  Somebody has to be studying that.

• 1:58:56Speaker 01

  Not, not enough, not that I've seen.

• 1:58:58Danny Jones?

  Maybe they just don't want to let the public know, because if you're in charge and you're figuring out that this earth's about to flip, do a pole flip, are you gonna tell the public?

• 1:59:05Speaker 01

  It's hard.

• 1:59:05Danny Jones?

  That would be the equivalent of telling them there's an alien invasion.

• 1:59:08Speaker 01

  Do you think?

• 1:59:09Danny Jones?

  I think so, yeah.

• 1:59:10Speaker 02

  In two hundred and twenty two years, the pole will be flipped completely.

• 1:59:14Speaker 01

  I, I don't think that's.

• 1:59:16Danny Jones?

  What?

• 1:59:16Speaker 02

  If it's moving at that, yeah.

• 1:59:18Speaker 01

  That seems off.

• 1:59:19Danny Jones?

  That has to be off.

• 1:59:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, brave, I don't know, I like brave.

• 1:59:23Danny Jones?

  Brave is the Bitcoin browser.

• 1:59:25Speaker 02

  Well, well, the, the planet is, uh, six thousand miles across, is that right?

• 1:59:30Danny Jones?

  I don't know, so try ask, see what Chrome has to say.

• 1:59:32Speaker 01

  All I know is that these pole reversals do take thousands of years and then it can just happen like all of a sudden. So it can, it does accelerate over time.

• 1:59:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah, well, it has to do with like the ice sheets getting really heavy, right? And then melting and getting really light and then that has to like somehow like releases the, the crust from the core or the mantle rather. And then makes the outer, outer part of the earth. So, so, okay, so eight thousand miles is the diameter of the earth. So.

• 2:00:01Speaker 02

  So.

• 2:00:02Danny Jones?

  Well, we'll figure out, ask first.

• 2:00:04Speaker 02

  Eight thousand divided by twenty seven.

• 2:00:05Danny Jones?

  Find out if it's really twenty seven miles per year. That, that might not be real.

• 2:00:10Speaker 01

  That would be what I would be.

• 2:00:10Danny Jones?

  I would try another browser.

• 2:00:15Danny Jones?

  You gotta have two. You can't just have, you can't, we can't just rely on, on brave.

• 2:00:18Speaker 01

  But folks like-

• 2:00:19Danny Jones?

  It's like you can't just rely on Chrome. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta hedge your bets a little bit.

• 2:00:22Speaker 01

  Check your sources. Do your own research.

• 2:00:24Danny Jones?

  Then we'll, then we'll ask China what they say our earth, uh, north pole is shifting.

• 2:00:29Speaker 01

  Their new, was it deep seek?

• 2:00:31Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah, deep seek.

• 2:00:33Speaker 01

  But that's something Robert O. Becker even wrote about. He was like, pole reversals have been correlated with like eighty percent of all extinction, extinction events. And he wrote about that in the eighties. I don't even know if that's exactly true, but I'd imagine it, it would be.

• 2:00:46Danny Jones?

  The Earth magnetic pole is currently drifting at a speed of thirty-one to thirty-seven miles per year.

• 2:00:51Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:00:52Danny Jones?

  Here's the, so who is this according to? Hit Showmore? This is, this is Google AI.

• 2:00:57Speaker 01

  It used to be six and now it's thirty.

• 2:00:59Danny Jones?

  That's frightening.

• 2:01:02Speaker 02

  Oh wow. From nine to thirty-seven?

• 2:01:04Danny Jones?

  So this is why Elon's trying to get us to Mars?

• 2:01:08Speaker 01

  I would be concerned. I didn't know is that, that's insane. That means the compasses aren't gonna work very soon, folks.

• 2:01:14Danny Jones?

  Like soon. Like two, in a hundred years, it's gonna be halfway there.

• 2:01:18Speaker 01

  I guess.

• 2:01:20Danny Jones?

  That's wild. In less than a hundred years, we'll be more than halfway flipped. Well, at one point, the idea is that it goes and then it just like, the, the ice cap gets so heavy, just was.

• 2:01:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, just like, that's, that, that could be a chaotic, uh-

• 2:01:35Danny Jones?

  And how are we gonna get to Mars, bro? How, how are we gonna get to the moon? How are we gonna get through the Van Allen radiation belt?

• 2:01:42Speaker 01

  That, but that is another, um, example of like why our electromagnetic environment is so important. People, they go up there, they get osteoporosis, they get all these chronic diseases.

• 2:01:51Danny Jones?

  What's that thing called that he was, uh, that Jack was speaking about, the pregnenolone steal syndrome? So all the astronauts had to, uh, they all came back with like virtually no testosterone?

• 2:02:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Hormonal dysfunction.

• 2:02:02Danny Jones?

  I guess that's legit.

• 2:02:02Speaker 01

  I mean, it's all regulated by electromagnetism. At the end of the day, at the lowest level. And that's where even, you know, supplements, for, for example, you know, antioxidants, oxidative signaling in our body is, is so important because that's-

• 2:02:18Speaker 01

  What's reacting with our electromagnetic environment like free radicals and oxygen in general, paramagnetic molecules in our bodies. So if we just like blunt all of that all the time, you're really blunting the ability to take in the input signals of your environment, which could be problematic, could be beneficial if you're traveling.

• 2:02:39Danny Jones?

  How fucked are we gonna be if we end up having to move to the earth or the, oh, I mean, to the moon or to Mars?

• 2:02:45Speaker 01

  I don't-

• 2:02:45Danny Jones?

  Are you gonna be on one of the journeys to go to the, are you just gonna stay here and go down with the ship?

• 2:02:48Speaker 01

  I will stay here. I am not moving to Mars.

• 2:02:52Danny Jones?

  Dude, that's gotta be so unhealthy for us. Like, it's gonna, it's gonna, like, I can't imagine what it's gonna look like, but a human lifespan is probably gonna go down so much.

• 2:03:01Speaker 01

  Do you know what? I can't, I can't believe how resilient we are in our current state. This is what's cool. I can't believe with all this stuff we're talking about, we're still walking around like, you know, people are drinking four cups of coffee and whatever stimulants and antidepressants, but we're doing pretty good for how much toxic stuff is in the environment.

• 2:03:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:21Speaker 01

  And even travel, like, I can get on a flight to Australia and somehow my body figures it out. I don't feel great. Um, and the problem I've found is once you get hyper connected to your environment, you become more sensitive to being uprooted and going somewhere else.

• 2:03:36Danny Jones?

  Dude, it is hard to kill people.

• 2:03:38Speaker 01

  But it is hard, is damn hard to kill people.

• 2:03:40Danny Jones?

  It is hard to kill. I had the, uh, there's this documentary called, um, Mr. Death. Have you ever seen it?

• 2:03:45Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:03:45Danny Jones?

  It's this dude who, um, his dad worked for the Bureau of Prisons, and they had, one of their electric chairs went bad, and they had to fix it. So he brought it to his house and his son started tinkering around with it, figured out how to make it work, figured out how to make it work better. They brought it back at work. So now he became the repairman for the electric chair. Next thing you know, they're like, oh shit, we gotta, the, the states are making us come up with more humane ways of, uh, executing people. So he came up with gas chambers. Then he came up with the lethal injections. And this kid that was just like, had no background in this stuff, just figured out how to fix an electric chair,

• 2:04:24Danny Jones?

  was now in charge of, uh, implementing all of the execution devices across all the prisons around the country.

• 2:04:32Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:04:33Danny Jones?

  And he was, in his book, or in his documentary, he just, he explains like-

• 2:04:38Danny Jones?

  A lot of them didn't fucking work. Like, people weren't dying. They were just getting like tortured. And he was like, it like, the human body is really hard to kill.

• 2:04:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that's where the people are like, well, where is everyone dropping dead from all the cell phones? Or whatever name your toxin and like, where's everyone dropping dead? I'm like, well, this stuff takes a long time to manifest and it's the death by a thousand cuts. That's the problem with any of these. There's so many, like, I, you know, we asked Steve to pull up that chart about electrification and chronic disease or heart disease.

• 2:05:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:09Speaker 01

  That's a great chart. It's cool. Like, look, um, all the cool states in the Northeast, New Jersey, Massachusetts, New York, they had the most, the highest percentage of electrification. And they had the highest rate of heart disease, um, at that time period, but.

• 2:05:24Danny Jones?

  This is from, uh, okay. So this is.

• 2:05:25Speaker 01

  1940.

• 2:05:26Danny Jones?

  This is one year.

• 2:05:27Speaker 01

  One year. Yeah. So it's just a snapshot in, in time. So again, but guess what else? New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, maybe they had Crisco and maybe they had other stuff that was toxic. But it is pretty compelling. And again, it's just another factor to consider in your environment that is foreign and based on the research and our knowledge of how biology works. If you dig deep enough, is toxic or is potentially disruptive. And the thing about like the flu and the solar cycles, like we are so disconnected from our electromagnetic environment.

• 2:06:05Danny Jones?

  How is the flu connected to the solar cycles again?

• 2:06:08Speaker 01

  That's just like, maybe Steve can look that up too. But apparently what Arthur Firstenberg wrote about was before telecom cables were put underneath or in society in the late 1800s, the flu was more of a uncommon, like it came around for a couple of years and then left for like five, six years. And it was more tied to the solar cycles, which I, again, I wouldn't be surprised with, but you're gonna have to try and find some very unbiased information.

• 2:06:34Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah, it's gonna be pretty hard.

• 2:06:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:38Danny Jones?

  Well, like.

• 2:06:38Speaker 01

  In general.

• 2:06:39Danny Jones?

  But in antiquity, people were dying from fucking plagues left and right. Like, there was a plague every five years.

• 2:06:45Speaker 01

  That's something different. I think it was more so like the annual, like, what's known as the, the common flu, like, every winter. Not like the bubonic plague or, you know, some crazy infectious disease. So that, that's something, something different, but.

• 2:07:00Danny Jones?

  We're doing a lot better than we were back then.

• 2:07:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's why I don't want to romanticize the past totally, because people, yeah, they were living outside, but, but they were, they were struggling with infectious diseases. But the thing that the mainstream likes to paint, oh, we're healthier as a society because of lifespan, but, you know, they had kids dying when they were eight and that skews all the numbers.

• 2:07:19Danny Jones?

  Infant mortality rate was like 50% back then.

• 2:07:22Speaker 01

  Childbirth mortality as well.

• 2:07:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:24Speaker 01

  And you can look at, again, like, what is health span versus lifespan? That's like a whole debate.

• 2:07:29Danny Jones?

  Well, I think it's always been the same, as far as we know. So.

• 2:07:32Speaker 01

  The maximum.

• 2:07:33Danny Jones?

  The maximum, correct. Obviously, people were dying from, from hand-to-hand combat, plagues, famine, you know, all that stuff, war. But a, a healthy individual that didn't get murdered or didn't die from a plague would live the same exact time, same exact lifespan, back in, you know, as far as we know, like, B.C.

• 2:07:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:54Danny Jones?

  Than that we do now.

• 2:07:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that's where the longevity biohacking community, I'm like, I don't know. It's gonna be interesting to see, but I'm, I'm focused on.

• 2:08:05Danny Jones?

  I always wondered about that guy, the Brian Johnson guy.

• 2:08:07Speaker 01

  I talked to him this past weekend.

• 2:08:09Danny Jones?

  Oh, did you really?

• 2:08:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, we were at the same, like, health, uh, event in Austin and I was like, what are you doing about light and EMFs? He's like, I'm pretty cognizant of light, you know, he doesn't go outside very much or he's in the shade and, but he was open to the EMS. He's like, we've looked into it, but we're not convinced. I was like, well, try it out.

• 2:08:26Danny Jones?

  We've looked into it? Oh, he has like a whole team of like people, yeah.

• 2:08:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, he does. I, I think I like his intent, you know, I'm not gonna, you know, talk bad about anyone. Like, he, he's on his own wavelength. If he thinks he's God and like wants to live forever, by all means, at least.

• 2:08:40Danny Jones?

  Time will tell, right?

• 2:08:41Speaker 01

  He's putting money into telling us like which products are maybe more toxic.

• 2:08:44Danny Jones?

  He's using himself as a science experiment, right?

• 2:08:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, so at least we know what's going on, but I, I'm, my goal is to convince him that, uh, sunlight is, is, is good for you, even.

• 2:08:55Danny Jones?

  He doesn't buy into it.

• 2:08:56Speaker 01

  Not the ultraviolet.

• 2:08:57Danny Jones?

  Get him and Jack Cruz into a room.

• 2:08:58Speaker 01

  That will never work.

• 2:09:01Speaker 01

  You gotta meet people where they are.

• 2:09:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:03Speaker 01

  But the EMFs he's open to, so I'm gonna send him some papers and it's like, dude, what do you have to lose? Like, you wanna live forever? What, do you need your wifi on at night? But he goes to bed, like, he is a, he is, he's committed, so you have to respect that.

• 2:09:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:16Speaker 01

  But I don't think, you know, all these anti-aging expert, experts, I think we know far less than we think we know.

• 2:09:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I think so too.

• 2:09:24Speaker 01

  About biology especially. And what I am excited about, one of the few things I'm excited about for AI is like, how do you create a tool that can parse? Like, there's thousands and thousands of studies on EMFs, let's say, there, there are, and I can't read all of them. I could post one on Twitter for the next 10 years, every single day, and that wouldn't even be all of them. And then you can't find all of them, and then you, you know, have to piece it together. So if there was a tool with the proper guidance, I think we could learn so much about how biology is actually functioning. And then if we, if we fund real research, that's what's promising, but we're, we're just, we're not even scratching the surface.

• 2:10:09Danny Jones?

  Well, how, I mean, that, that, that, the EMF topic seems like the most damned topic of all of them, because just look at the lobbying in the food industry and then the pharmaceutical industry. Now the telecom industry?

• 2:10:23Speaker 01

  And, and guess what?

• 2:10:23Danny Jones?

  How much money, I'd be interested to find this out, Steve. How much money does the telecom industry make compared to the pharmaceutical industry? Like, and how much do they spend on, and we can just do the math on how much lobbying they pay for.

• 2:10:35Speaker 01

  I got the lobbying numbers.

• 2:10:36Danny Jones?

  Oh, you have it?

• 2:10:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've written down right here.

• 2:10:37Danny Jones?

  What is it?

• 2:10:38Speaker 01

  In 2018, for AT&T, uh, was 18 and a half million, Verizon 12 million. The CTIA and the NCTA, they're like, basically associations that represent the telecom industry. So like, vouching for them, fighting for their rights was another like 22 million. That was in 2018. I looked at more recent numbers and it's about like, you know, 50, 20 to 50% higher now. So it's a lot. They're probably lobbying like a hundred million dollars a year, uh, which is nothing compared to what they make, but it's, it's pretty high.

• 2:11:10Danny Jones?

  The global pharma industry, um, is estimated to be worth 1.2 trillion, uh, which will grow to more than 1.5 trillion by 2020, okay, this is old, by 2021. Um, the pharmaceutical industry generates 550 billion in revenue in 2021. All right, well, let's look at the telecom industry. Oh, here we go.

• 2:11:32Danny Jones?

  By comparison, the telecom industry with a global revenue over five, around five trillion is significantly larger than the pharmaceutical industry, which is estimated to be worth 1.2 trillion.

• 2:11:44Danny Jones?

  Almost five times bigger.

• 2:11:45Speaker 01

  It's way bigger.

• 2:11:46Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:11:46Speaker 01

  And guess what we said earlier is like.

• 2:11:48Danny Jones?

  And they're working for the NSA at the same time. So like, we're fucked, dude.

• 2:11:54Speaker 01

  But the thing with the food and the pharmaceuticals, you actually have a choice. Do you really have a choice about your electromagnetic environment right now? Not really.

• 2:12:03Danny Jones?

  Less of a choice, right?

• 2:12:04Speaker 01

  Much less.

• 2:12:05Danny Jones?

  Because it's invisible.

• 2:12:05Speaker 01

  It's invisible. Plus, um, there's no consent to where the infrastructure goes and we have to use it. You don't have to take medication. You can choose pretty deliberately about your food. Like you could go buy it from a farmer. Right now, there are not really great alternatives for tech. There's literally no alternatives for telecom. We all use Verizon, like it's a monopoly, um, in all facets.

• 2:12:29Danny Jones?

  There's no choice. Yeah.

• 2:12:30Speaker 01

  And then if you look at the FCC, if you want to talk about corrupted three-letter agencies, I mean, they haven't updated their guidelines since 1996. The former like heads of the CTIA and I think the general counsel of Verizon were their last two commissioners. I think the guy Trump put in now is kind of, he's kind of okay. I've seen him referred to as like the 5G czar in a good way.

• 2:12:54Danny Jones?

  Oh, who is he?

• 2:12:55Speaker 01

  I don't know. Brendan Carr, I think is his name. I don't know enough about him, but I mean, Trump loves 5G. He's like, we're gonna have the best 5G.

• 2:13:05Danny Jones?

  He loves 5G?

• 2:13:06Speaker 01

  He just, you know, he's a business, he's a business guy. So he's just like.

• 2:13:09Danny Jones?

  He also loved the Warp Speed, Operation Warp Speed.

• 2:13:12Speaker 01

  So it's, um.

• 2:13:15Danny Jones?

  Brendan Carr is the senior Republican on the Federal Communications Commission, having served. So, uh, yeah, what's his bent here?

• 2:13:23Speaker 01

  He's like a legal FCC like guy.

• 2:13:27Danny Jones?

  Okay. And he's anti 5G?

• 2:13:28Speaker 01

  No, he's pro 5G. Sorry. I shouldn't have said czar. I should have said something else, but.

• 2:13:33Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:13:34Speaker 01

  I don't think we're gonna, I'm curious to see because guess what? You got, you got Trump who's like loves 5G and tech and 6G. He just says. Oh yeah, that's, I mean, that's next. Yeah. So.

• 2:13:46Danny Jones?

  We're gonna have six G.

• 2:13:48Speaker 01

  It's gonna be, it's gonna be so big.

• 2:13:50Danny Jones?

  It's gonna be great.

• 2:13:50Speaker 01

  Well, we are, we are somewhat behind China in terms of telecommunications, cuz the rollout for 5G did take a while. So you have those two.

• 2:14:00Danny Jones?

  Well, at least we're not installing the Huawei bases all over here anymore.

• 2:14:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, that are just listening to, to everything. So we're smart about that. The US military still buys like Chinese drones, but at least we're, we're getting.

• 2:14:10Danny Jones?

  Do they really?

• 2:14:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Um.

• 2:14:13Danny Jones?

  That seems silly.

• 2:14:16Danny Jones?

  There's no way.

• 2:14:16Speaker 01

  Well, who makes all their drones?

• 2:14:18Danny Jones?

  Military drones.

• 2:14:19Speaker 01

  No, well, oh, I don't know for sure, but anyway, we make all our products in China, so.

• 2:14:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:26Speaker 01

  Like, these are all made in China.

• 2:14:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah, they are.

• 2:14:28Speaker 01

  So we're kinda stuck in that regard. But what I'm saying is, we got Trump, who's pro 5G, 6G, we got Elon. Elon, you need to acknowledge that EMFs are potentially harmful for your biology. So that's all I gotta say. Cuz he's been on Rogan and be like, you could, you could put something like a million times stronger than your phone up to your head and it wouldn't have any effect. Like, he said some stupid stuff, but again, look.

• 2:14:52Danny Jones?

  He also says that there's no evidence for any kind of advanced propulsion systems by any aerospace industries. He's, don't think aliens, he doesn't think aliens are interesting. And he thinks that we can go to Mars, even though we haven't been to the moon in 54 years.

• 2:15:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's also highly intelligent and highly strategic, so I'm, I'm sure he's not just gonna say what actually makes sense.

• 2:15:13Danny Jones?

  Um, very highly strategic.

• 2:15:15Speaker 01

  For the public.

• 2:15:15Danny Jones?

  But like, I don't know, it kind of like, is he that, like, but, but why are you on Twitter all day, every day, just like?

• 2:15:21Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:15:22Danny Jones?

  Posting boring, like, not even funny memes.

• 2:15:25Speaker 01

  And then you have RFK, so I'm like, hmm, how is this gonna play out? I'm very curious to see if there is anything. Maybe they let RFK just do some research funding on EMFs, but this is where consumer demand, like. Consumer opinion and voicing of concerns is actually what drives change. And I think spreading awareness that this is a real thing. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a, it's a real thing. Go look at the studies. Go read some of these books, Invisible Rainbow, Cross Currents, Zapping of America, Microwave Debate, some of these you can't even find anymore. You have to find the PDF and they're from 50 years ago. But there's a lot, there's a lot of great researchers, Henry Lai, Martin Powell,

• 2:16:09Speaker 01

  you know, Robert O. Becker, Alan Frey.

• 2:16:13Danny Jones?

  Robert O. Becker was in that book, The Pentagon's Brain. There's a whole fascinating episode on him where he talks about limb, he was the guy who was about limb regeneration, right?

• 2:16:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's, that's.

• 2:16:23Speaker 01

  And that's where he discovered like bone was semiconductive. That's where he discovered that there's little electrical currents that stimulate, you know, cell repair, cell regeneration, limb regeneration. And now they're studying how magnetic fields can alter that as well. And it's highly dependent on the frequency, the intensity, the directionality. So there's, there's so many independent variables there. But yeah, we're, that was seventies maybe when he studied that. So there was so much, like, we could have made so much progress and that all just got shut down. And he was on 60, 60 Minutes. I'm pretty sure Alan Frey went on 60 Minutes. So if you want to dig up some, some fun archives, there you go.

• 2:17:08Danny Jones?

  Tristan, thanks, man. This has been a great podcast, fucking mind blowing stuff. Tell people where they can learn more about you and daylight and everything, everything that you guys are doing. Obviously I'll put links, but.

• 2:17:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, thanks for having me, man. Really, really appreciate it. It's been a fun time. Dailycomputer.com is our, is our website. You, you mentioned you're a big fan of the website.

• 2:17:29Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, huge fan of it. Best website known to mankind, ever created.

• 2:17:32Speaker 01

  At daylightco is our socials. Personally, I'm at Tristan underscore health on Instagram and at Bitcoin and underscore beef on Twitter. That was a book I wrote like.

• 2:17:43Danny Jones?

  Bitcoin beef?

• 2:17:44Speaker 01

  Bitcoin and beef.

• 2:17:45Danny Jones?

  Bitcoin and beef?

• 2:17:46Speaker 01

  It's a book I wrote four years ago, talking about why decentralization matters. So.

• 2:17:51Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:17:52Speaker 01

  And now it's all come true. So it's kind of hilarious.

• 2:17:56Danny Jones?

  That's awesome, dude. Well, thanks again. This has been, this has been super fun. I'll link everything below. And, uh, good night, everyone.

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