Ep. 692: MeatEater Radio Live! A Southern Uprising, Brent's Elk Savior, and a Turkey Serenade

Hosts Brent Reaves, Clay Newcomb, and Mark Kenyon crash the Bozeman HQ to chat episodes v. films, hear Reed Barganier's (@ReedsPianoNews) latest turkey jam, play 1-Minute Fishing with Trout Unlimited's Tanner Belknap, and show & tell of some prized possessions. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Connect with The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:27Speaker 02

  Smell us now, lady. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia. Meat Eater Podcast.

• 1:49Steven Rinella?

  Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain time. That's 12 o'clock for our friends back in Arkansas.

• 1:57Speaker 03

  The real time of the world.

• 1:59Steven Rinella?

  On Thursday, April 17th, and we're live from the Meat Eater headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. Snowy Bozeman, Montana. We're your hosts, Brent Reeves.

• 2:10Speaker 03

  Clay Newcomb.

• 2:12Speaker 04

  And Mark Kenyon.

• 2:13Speaker 03

  On today's show, we're gonna be serenaded by a newsworthy turkey track by my buddy, Mr. Reed Barganier, also known as Reed's Piano News. After that, we have two listeners submitted hot tip-offs that the winner, the winner of that's gonna receive some new Bear Grease and This Country Life merch.

• 2:36Speaker 04

  Which looks very nice, by the way.

• 2:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, awesome. I just love that. Uh, followed by that, we're gonna do, uh, the one-minute fishing, uh, with our friends at Trout Unlimited. And finally, we, uh, have each of us have brought a memorable item that we're gonna share for show and tell.

• 2:56Speaker 05

  Show and tell.

• 2:57Speaker 04

  Can I just say, I am more excited for that than anything else today.

• 3:00Speaker 03

  Really?

• 3:01Speaker 04

  I so badly want to show and tell you my story.

• 3:04Speaker 03

  Can't wait.

• 3:06Speaker 04

  Can't wait. It was one of the best things that's ever happened to me.

• 3:08Speaker 05

  It's gotta be really good, cuz expectations are sky-high.

• 3:11Speaker 04

  I will tell you.

• 3:11Speaker 05

  I'll tell you what, expectations of mine are sky-high is Reed's song.

• 3:15Speaker 04

  Yes, that will be good.

• 3:16Speaker 05

  I cannot wait for Reed's song.

• 3:19Speaker 03

  You know, we got a lot of-

• 3:20Speaker 05

  And I'm very surprised they didn't ask me to play live music.

• 3:23Speaker 04

  I am not.

• 3:23Speaker 03

  I'm not surprised. That, to be honest, surprised.

• 3:25Speaker 05

  Whoa, whoa, whoa. I gotta stick up for my bandmate over there. I'm not gonna put up with this. Yeah, me and Phil, me and Phil, we could take the house down.

• 3:33Speaker 03

  If they hadn't had Phil play in the harmonica-

• 3:34Speaker 05

  I don't even know why I'm a podcaster.

• 3:36Speaker 03

  If they hadn't had Phil play in the harmonica like a solo every week, why would they have you up here singing?

• 3:41Speaker 05

  I mean, there's gotta be like a taco shell for the taco, a bun for the hot dog.

• 3:48Speaker 04

  So you are the taco shell?

• 3:49Speaker 05

  I'm the taco shell. I'm the ground meat and the lettuce and the, yeah.

• 3:53Speaker 04

  There's a lot of directions we shouldn't go on this one.

• 3:57Speaker 05

  Let's move on. I mean, you know.

• 3:59Speaker 03

  Let's tell them all, kinda what we've been doing this week. Tell them what you were doing with Yanni.

• 4:04Speaker 05

  So yesterday, we were, we came to Bozeman yesterday, and, uh, we were shooting guns, we were testing out of several- Theories of the way that guns perform. I mean, can we tell exactly what we did?

• 4:18Speaker 03

  I think we can.

• 4:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, so there, the, yesterday, we tested the idea of the brush gun. So, everybody in the, in, in the south, anyway, I don't know, maybe out west, it's not as big a deal because there's not as much brush, but in the south, there's a lot of brush, a lot of brush, Corey. And people talk about brush guns, like a, a specific caliber or bullet style that's able to shoot through brush. So, we did some, some testing all day long, shooting through brush. What, what did you do, Brad?

• 4:45Speaker 03

  Oh, man, I, I had the, the worst and the best job ever. But we did a, a segment on losing zero off your scope. And we abused a Sig rifle and scope out there.

• 4:59Speaker 04

  I love this idea.

• 5:00Speaker 03

  It was sad. It was sad to do it, but we learned a lot. I think people are going to find it really interesting. And especially the way we finally knocked it.

• 5:08Speaker 05

  Now, do you want to tell them?

• 5:10Speaker 03

  Off zero.

• 5:11Speaker 04

  No, you can't, you can't give away what happened.

• 5:13Speaker 03

  I'll tell you, I'll tell you.

• 5:14Speaker 05

  I mean, the people that listen to Meteor Lives should be rewarded.

• 5:17Speaker 03

  I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you this. I'll tell you, we, we dropped it. We held it, we dropped it at knee, knee height. We dropped it, holding it straight out like this, and I'm holding my hands for the folks that, they're not watching us, right out in front of me, straight out in front of me, dropped it on the scope, and then we would check the zero. And the final thing we did involved a case, a gun case. And a truck and 80 miles an hour. And I'm gonna leave it at that. You're gonna have to watch it. It is wild.

• 5:48Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 5:49Speaker 04

  Now, what I wish you had done, which I understand you didn't, was test my worst nightmare, which has always been getting up into my tree stand, and then somehow the gun falling down to the ground from the top, you know, from 20 feet up in a tree.

• 6:01Speaker 03

  Right.

• 6:01Speaker 04

  That would have been an interesting one to see how badly that would have impacted it.

• 6:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely. Well, maybe we'll, Sig, give us another rifle.

• 6:08Speaker 05

  That would have been a good test. Another good test would be to be up in the tree stand, have your gun up there, you fall out of the tree stand, and then crawl back up and see if your gun's still on.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  Hey, Yanni put strapped it on the back, on his backpack, and then fell down the hill on it, so it was.

• 6:23Speaker 05

  That worked pretty good.

• 6:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, no stunt, man. He does all his own stunts.

• 6:26Speaker 04

  So, also.

• 6:28Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:28Speaker 04

  Today. We get to, or I get to, judge you two cooking.

• 6:34Speaker 03

  Mmm.

• 6:34Speaker 04

  Immediate roasts, which I'm very excited about because two things are going for me on this one. Number one, I love to eat. So I get to eat your food.

• 6:42Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 6:43Speaker 04

  Number two, I love giving you a hard time, especially you, Clay. I do love giving you a hard time.

• 6:48Speaker 05

  This for Mark. Mark is my best friend. I treat him like a brother.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  That's the third, that's the third best friend he's had today.

• 6:57Speaker 05

  But you will get to, you will get to, uh, you will get to judge us cooking.

• 7:01Speaker 04

  Yes, I will. And I will not bring up that dead mule you tried to sell to your one buddy.

• 7:06Speaker 03

  His other best friend, his used to be best friend.

• 7:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, he used to be best friend.

• 7:10Speaker 03

  Meat Eater Roast, the newest episode of that dropped today and it's got Corinne Schneider and Maggie Hudler, who's the editorial chief. Corinne's obviously the, the grand poopa of producers here and podcast producers. And you can see that on the YouTube channel.

• 7:27Speaker 06

  Speaking of, we've got a comment from one Alexis Reeves. She's in the chat. She says Clay puts mushrooms in his chili, so he's out. He's out on principle.

• 7:35Speaker 05

  Alexis Reeves, doggone it, she got me.

• 7:38Speaker 03

  That's my gal.

• 7:39Speaker 05

  How do you come back from that?

• 7:42Speaker 03

  Let me, let me give y'all a little context of that. Clay did a video, social media, he's cooking chili in his house. And Alexis is watching and sitting on the couch and he takes a double handful of mushrooms and drops them in his chili. And she looked at me, she's like, we can no longer be friends with Clay.

• 7:59Speaker 05

  I said, I took, of all the things I've done in my life, I took more heat for the, for the mushrooms and chili. From my wife, from my kids, from Alexis, Brit's wife.

• 8:10Speaker 03

  That was like three years ago.

• 8:11Speaker 05

  Oh gosh, Brit, it was 10 years ago.

• 8:13Speaker 03

  Really?

• 8:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:14Speaker 03

  Well.

• 8:15Speaker 04

  I can't wait to see what comes out of the, the show today.

• 8:18Speaker 03

  We're doing, uh, Meat Eater Trivia too.

• 8:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:20Speaker 03

  Friday, uh.

• 8:21Speaker 04

  Yes, tomorrow.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  Tomorrow, yeah.

• 8:23Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:24Speaker 03

  And what about some fly fishing? You and Cory went out and.

• 8:27Speaker 05

  Fly fishing, wah wah wah.

• 8:29Speaker 04

  Oh, Clay, someday you'll, you'll understand.

• 8:33Speaker 03

  He'll grow up.

• 8:33Speaker 05

  Clay didn't fly fish. Clay doesn't fly, well, yeah, mm-hmm.

• 8:38Speaker 03

  Tell me, tell me.

• 8:38Speaker 05

  You're right.

• 8:39Speaker 03

  Tell me about y'all's trip.

• 8:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, we, we went fishing yesterday. It was one of those trips where we thought we might get pounded with rain and the possibility of winter weather incoming, uh, but we decided to go for it anyways. Did a really nice float, I don't know, five, six miles and. It wasn't happening, but we had a great time.

• 8:59Speaker 05

  So you didn't, you didn't catch any fish?

• 9:00Speaker 04

  Uh, moved a couple. Alex, our, our, uh, our grand poobah of social media, as Brent might call him. He caught one and that was it.

• 9:09Speaker 07

  Right out of the gate.

• 9:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's the problem though, is that, you know, if somebody catches a fish immediately upon starting the trip, that's either, you know, a great sign or a very bad sign.

• 9:19Speaker 03

  Or the last one.

• 9:20Speaker 04

  And that ended up being the case.

• 9:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:22Speaker 04

  But, good to be in the water.

• 9:23Speaker 03

  Uh, I've got a podcast coming out tomorrow that's gonna feature our, our musical guest today. I went hunting with Reed in Alabama and got to hunt on some really cool ancestral land. Met some great people, some friends, longtime family friends of Reed and his father. And got to meet, uh, his father, Dr. Paul Barganier. He's a dentist.

• 9:47Speaker 05

  He work on your teeth?

• 9:48Speaker 03

  He did not. Yeah, he, he pulled this one out and I brought it with me.

• 9:52Speaker 05

  It's a half of a molar.

• 9:53Speaker 03

  Uh, we got to hang out with, uh, with Reed's oldest son, uh, Barnes too.

• 9:59Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 9:59Speaker 03

  Great kid. I left him with a turkey call and man, he was, he was sounding good when I, when I left. I hope, I hope his mama hadn't hid it from him by now, but.

• 10:08Speaker 05

  Hey, we had a.

• 10:08Speaker 03

  What you got going?

• 10:09Speaker 05

  We, we had a podcast drop yesterday on Bear Grease that I'm really excited about. It's called Confessions of a Former Outlaw. And it's, uh, every now and then, uh, you, you run into somebody with a particular story that's really great. I mean, if, if I could find 26 Johnny Johnsons to interview every other week for the Bear Grease documentary style episode. I mean, Joe Rogan would be begging to come on my podcast. Um, it, it, it's a really unique podcast and it's, it's, the title says quite a bit. The guy, the guy was a, was a, was a turkey outlaw. And you ought to go listen to it.

• 10:52Speaker 05

  And interestingly, it's also being played on the Meat Eater feed today, as I understand it. So it's called Confessions of a Former Outlaw. And it's, it's a human story. I mean, it's a story about this guy's life, a living man from Oklahoma. South, southeast, southeast Oklahoma. And it's a pretty powerful story. Got some hooks and some shockers and some, yeah.

• 11:17Speaker 03

  Well, normally when you tell me like, have you listened to it yet? I'm like, no. And then you'll give me a brief synopsis of what's going on. And then I'll listen to it for the, for the render. But yesterday, and you said, have you listened to it yet? Or day before yesterday, you said, have you listened to it yet? And I said, no, not yet. And you said, I'm not telling you nothing else. You just got to hear it. I listened to it this morning. It's, it's really good. Really good.

• 11:40Speaker 05

  So check that out.

• 11:41Speaker 03

  Marcus, you got something just dropped recently.

• 11:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, so a day, two days ago, my latest film hit the Meat Eater YouTube channel, which is one I'm pretty excited about, uh, because it's, it, it came from the surprising news that I read like four years ago, I think, when I came across this article from the Alaska Fishing Game saying that there might be mule deer and whitetails showing up in Alaska for the first time ever. So I read that article immediately. I thought, that is fascinating.

• 12:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:13Speaker 04

  Why is that happening? How is that happening? And how can I get there and like, learn more about this myself? So four or five years ago, when I first saw that, I pitched Meat Eater on going and doing a podcast series all about this. I wanted to go up there, spend a bunch of time, interview people, meet people, do all this stuff. And it didn't go anywhere. But for the last few years, I've kind of kept on bugging people by, hey, we got to look into this. Yeah, squeaky wheel. I, I want to learn more about if this is happening and what it means and what's going on. And long story short, finally, it came together. And, and I wasn't, you know, I, I originally wanted to go and try to go on like a Sasquatch hunt. You know, like go and try to find this mysterious, possible first whitetail in Alaska. And actually roam that area, walking around and interview the, the people who've claimed to have seen them.

• 12:58Speaker 04

  And when we, we, we started kind of going down that road and because of various logistical challenges, we couldn't do that. But what it led to was like, all right, let's go there and see what is there currently. Learn more about black-tailed deer, the native deer species, learn more about this area, southeast Alaska. Spend some time with some native Alaskans, or I mean, residents of Alaska. Yeah. Who have seen some of these critters and, and get a sense of what's happening and then talk to Alaska Fishing Game. You learned, you learned some stuff? I did. Surprising stuff? Really interesting stuff, just about how much is changing in Alaska. And I think being from the lower 48, when I think about Alaska, I don't know about you guys, but when I think about Alaska, it still feels like this untouched, pristine. Oh, yeah.

• 13:43Speaker 04

  Uh, like it's still how it used to be there. But then when I started asking questions to folks who've lived there their whole lives, they're talking about all these things that have changed just in their lifetime. New critters showing up in new places, all sorts of stuff. So, yeah, very eye-opening. And then the experience itself, just getting to go into this terrain, hike up into the Alpine, see black-tailed deer for the first time, being in an area that's, that's loaded with brown bears that, that definitely had you.

• 14:12Speaker 05

  You were on Admiralty Island?

• 14:13Speaker 04

  Were, yeah.

• 14:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:14Speaker 04

  They call that the fortress of the bears.

• 14:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:17Speaker 04

  Really? One of the highest densities of brown bears in the world. And, um, yeah, so it was very interesting.

• 14:22Speaker 06

  Ted in the chat is asking, how many bears did you encounter, if you have a number?

• 14:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, we, we didn't encounter any.

• 14:30Speaker 04

  That you saw? They were around us. There were signs of them all over the place. Um, and it was so funny, like going into the trip, that's on your mind a lot, like, how do we, everything you did, you were taking to account, all right, how do we mitigate any possible risks with bears? Where are we going to camp? How are we going to get there? How, how do we approach the hunt plan? Um, you know, what about when we get a deer down, all those things. And then of course, it was, there was nothing to worry about. I mean, there was things to worry about, but nothing panned out. But you prepared, you were prepared. We were prepared. Yeah.

• 14:59Speaker 05

  Um, it was a great film, Mark.

• 15:02Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 15:02Speaker 05

  I see somebody up there saying, talking about the, the whole. Thing with Yanis about do we make films or do we make episodes? Mark Kenny makes films. It was really good.

• 15:13Speaker 04

  Thanks, buddy. I appreciate it.

• 15:14Speaker 05

  I liked it a lot.

• 15:15Speaker 04

  It was a, it was a, it was a fun one to work on.

• 15:18Speaker 05

  You know, I almost hate to say this, but talking about in your film, you talked about, okay, well, sorry, go ahead. No, in your film, you talked about how the, the, the temperature in Alaska has changed more than the lower forty-eight.

• 15:30Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 15:31Speaker 05

  Like, you know, there's like these glaciers melting and stuff. I think in our lifetime, we'll see as the, as the temperature becomes more mild in Alaska, potentially more people going up there. Because it's been a barrier to entry, just how harsh the winters have been.

• 15:47Speaker 04

  I think that's quite likely.

• 15:49Speaker 03

  Man, it's, it's snowing outside right now, and I'm worried that we ain't got enough bread and milk. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're not gonna make it.

• 15:56Speaker 05

  You Arkansas boys. Did you send your girl to school today? Did you call her and be like, sweetie, it's snowing in, in Bozeman. You can't go to school today. You can't be in Arkansas.

• 16:04Speaker 03

  Free day. I don't talk like that.

• 16:07Speaker 05

  Are you sure?

• 16:08Speaker 03

  I'm gonna talk to a guy that does talk like that. He's, he'll have a different accent when we talk to him today. And that is my buddy, Reed Barganier. He is a returning radio live guest, and he's also known as at Reed's Piano News on Instagram. That's how I met him.

• 16:29Speaker 04

  You know, it's funny is I've always thought his name was Reed Spiano.

• 16:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. I probably did too.

• 16:36Speaker 04

  I just kind of looked at that really quickly and never really thought about it.

• 16:39Speaker 05

  Barganier, like a, a, a hybrid between an auctioneer and a bargain shopper?

• 16:44Speaker 03

  That is lame. I wouldn't even imagine.

• 16:46Speaker 08

  I think it's a low grade of French, if I had to guess.

• 16:50Speaker 03

  Reed, welcome, buddy.

• 16:53Speaker 08

  Thanks, man. Glad to be here. And Clay and Phil, I don't, if you, if you all want to lay down some taco shell on this, I've got no, no issue with that at all.

• 17:02Speaker 04

  Harmonica's upstairs.

• 17:05Speaker 04

  Lay down some tacos. That's amazing.

• 17:07Speaker 03

  Uh, Reed, uh, just last week, I was with Reed down in Alabama and hunting on his, his family's land. And I did, like I said, the podcast that's coming out tomorrow is, is all about that. But man, what a treat. There was, we stayed in a, in a, in an old home place. It was built in nineteen oh two. And on the, in the foyer, when you walk in the front door on this big front porch, there is a signed land grant document from President James Monroe. It was dated eighteen twenty-two, is that right?

• 17:42Speaker 05

  I was thinking he was dead, yeah.

• 17:44Speaker 03

  Eighteen twenty-two, on February the first, that actual, that actual document is in there. And so there's so much history with, with his friends' families that own that land, and then Reed's family that owns the land that we, that we hunted on. It was, it was great, man.

• 17:59Speaker 04

  That's cool.

• 18:00Speaker 08

  No, we, uh, had a good time. It's as much fun as you can have without killing a bird, in my opinion.

• 18:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, the cat's out of the bag. But the, uh, that turkey, that turkey that we tried to kill is still gobbling. Matter of fact, you heard him this morning, didn't you?

• 18:17Speaker 08

  I did, yeah. Clay, I listened to your, uh, podcast on the way down. It's a, it's a banger, for sure. Yes, it's fantastic. But, yeah, we, I mean, in my head, it's like, and I, I feel like I'm gonna get a reputation as just a guy that likes to, likes to go hang out with his buddies in the woods way early in the morning in the spring.

• 18:37Speaker 08

  Because I haven't been doing a lot of bird, there, there could be worse things, but you gotta kill a bird at some point, otherwise you're just, you're just hanging out.

• 18:44Speaker 04

  Now, I got a question about Reed.

• 18:45Speaker 08

  And that's...

• 18:46Speaker 04

  Sorry, but, but Brent.

• 18:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:49Speaker 04

  I know some people who are very musical, musically inclined, who do that thing where they kinda sing everything that they're doing or what they're saying to you. It's like, hey, will you get that ketchup? You know, that kinda thing? Does Reed do that?

• 19:02Speaker 03

  No, and I don't know anybody that does that.

• 19:04Speaker 04

  You don't know anybody that does that?

• 19:05Speaker 03

  No, I would run.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  I feel like Clay would do that.

• 19:08Speaker 05

  My wife says that my mother, Juju, my sweet mother Juju, when she is asking an awkward question, she sings it. She's like, "That dress is a little tight."

• 19:20Speaker 05

  Or she's like, or she's like, you know, like, "The food got a little cold, I'm sorry."

• 19:27Speaker 06

  I do that, I do that when I really, I can feel the urge to yell at my kids, but I can't. So I'll be like, "You really need to clean your room now because I'm getting a little frustrated."

• 19:36Speaker 03

  Oh, I should probably try that to the shore of rocks.

• 19:39Speaker 04

  Tyler and Casey from The Element do that a lot.

• 19:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:41Speaker 04

  They're always singing what's going on in their lives. So.

• 19:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, there you go.

• 19:46Speaker 04

  Pretty interesting.

• 19:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:48Speaker 03

  That's insane. All right. Speaking of insanity, there was something that happened in the grocery store. Phil, can you play that video?

• 19:56Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah. Let's see. It might be a little loud, but I can't control the volume. Here we go.

• 19:59Speaker 03

  All right.

• 20:00Speaker 09

  Very large turkey that just went in the store.

• 20:03Speaker 10

  Officers in Indiana found themselves dealing with a particularly tough customer. A turkey entered a Martin's store in St. Joseph County and proceeded to knock over merchandise and chase customers. After some deliberation, a brave officer grabbed the large turkey off the shelf, safely escorting him out of the store and back into the wild.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  Now.

• 20:30Speaker 03

  Man, that puts a, that, that puts a whole new spin on the frozen food aisle right there.

• 20:36Speaker 05

  I'm impressed that guy grabbed that sucker by the spurs. I mean, he did it. He did it, man.

• 20:42Speaker 08

  He's scared. He is not scared.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  I saw that video and there's a, somebody says in the video, whoever's filming says, "Watch out for those talons."

• 20:49Speaker 05

  Talons. Yeah.

• 20:53Speaker 05

  You know what I'd have done? I'd have gone over by the frozen milk and hunkered down and.

• 21:00Speaker 04

  Frozen milk? Did you guys have frozen milk in our?

• 21:03Speaker 05

  The frozen section, not frozen milk. I think you know what I meant.

• 21:06Speaker 04

  I really don't.

• 21:08Speaker 05

  The dairy section, the frozen, yeah, you know. I'm trying to call it to me is what I'm trying to say. Rather than go in on him and, and, and, and erect that, uh, predator, that flight response, I would have tried to get him on the, on the issues of love.

• 21:23Speaker 03

  Sometimes you should just be quiet.

• 21:26Speaker 03

  All right. From that incident, Reed has been inspired for this next musical number. Take it away, Reed.

• 21:33Speaker 08

  Yeah. All right. We'll do it. By the way, it's so much more normal singing this to a group of three guys than just Phil Taylor.

• 21:43Speaker 06

  I felt, I felt very special in taking care of yesterday, Reed during

• 21:49Speaker 11

  Uh, yeah, this is maybe Brent, we were just looking in the wrong places. Here we go.

• 22:04Speaker 11

  Three days Brent Reeves, well, he's a turkey calling fiend. He left Alabama without a shred of turkey meat. Maybe it wasn't the woods, not the mid morning fields that we should have been in. Trying to sound like hussy hens.

• 22:28Speaker 11

  We should have just stayed at the Walmart, the one there in Greens. I bet the turkey was just checking out the frozen section pizzas. We ought not have looked at Fig Newtons for so long. We'd have a grocery store, a long beard, then on the wall.

• 23:01Speaker 06

  Reece's piano.

• 23:03Speaker 03

  That is out. Give me, give me a estimated time of your, of how, how long it took you to write that little ditty?

• 23:13Speaker 11

  That one, anytime I can work hussy into a song, it kind of comes pretty quick, you know?

• 23:19Speaker 03

  Oh, man, that's awesome. Okay, brother. Well, what's, uh, what's next for you, Hoss?

• 23:26Speaker 11

  Uh, you know, lots of kids, baseball, and trying to figure out a, uh, time to get them back out to the woods.

• 23:33Speaker 03

  Okay, good deal.

• 23:34Speaker 11

  We're, we're around, man. And thank you for coming again. I had a blast.

• 23:37Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, we gotta get John David out there and get Barnes and, and I hope you Daddy Paul, I hope you all just smash them. But I know turkey season's still running down there, so. I might, I might be free to come back.

• 23:51Speaker 05

  So Mike Clay.

• 23:52Speaker 03

  Now Clay's busy. Hey, I want everyone to go, thank you, brother. I appreciate you being here and y'all.

• 23:57Speaker 05

  All right. See you guys.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  Y'all guys.

• 23:59Speaker 05

  See you Reed.

• 24:00Speaker 03

  You can check Reed's stuff out at at Reed's Piano News on Instagram.

• 24:04Speaker 05

  Reed ought to have a million followers.

• 24:07Speaker 03

  He should have.

• 24:07Speaker 05

  I mean, when I first started hearing him, I was like, okay, I'm gonna go to this Instagram page and it's gonna be a dude with a million followers.

• 24:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's like, I mean, it's grown exponentially, I think, since he's been on the, on the show here, but.

• 24:20Speaker 05

  He's on his way.

• 24:21Speaker 03

  It's stuff that's really, it's really good.

• 24:23Speaker 05

  Almost, not every day, but multiple times per week, he sings the news. I mean, that's what he does.

• 24:27Speaker 03

  If something's good, you know, something, you got a good news story, he's, he's gonna.

• 24:31Speaker 05

  And his songs are often more, more complex than that. Multiverse, great choruses. I mean, he's no Phil Taylor Clay Newcomb, but. Oh, yeah. Of course not.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  I tell you what that dude is, is, is the, the humor hides how good of a piano player he is.

• 24:45Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 24:46Speaker 03

  I mean, you gotta, kinda takes second stage. He's, he's really good.

• 24:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I can see that.

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• 28:23Speaker 03

  All right, we ready for our next segment?

• 28:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, what we got?

• 28:26Speaker 03

  Our next segment is called Hot Tip Off.

• 28:40Speaker 06

  I like this. Thanks, Mark. Is this new? Huh? What's that? Is this new, I said? Oh, we've done it a few times.

• 28:52Speaker 03

  Wow, Phil, that is outstanding there.

• 28:55Speaker 06

  Hot Tip Off. It's a word for it.

• 28:57Speaker 03

  All right. Hot Tip Off is where two listeners go head to head with competing pieces of advice. Now, after we hear each tip, we'll declare which one we think is hotter. If you have a hot tip, take a one-minute video on your phone and email it to radio@themeat eater dot com with the subject line "Hot Tip Off." This week, our competitors are Si Sneed and Drew Henry, and they're competing for some of our new Bear Grease and This Country Life logo wear.

• 29:33Speaker 06

  Those can't be real names.

• 29:34Speaker 03

  Folks in the chat, please chime in. All right, let's hear the hot tips.

• 29:41Speaker 00

  Drew Henry.

• 29:45Speaker 00

  Hey, what's up? Welcome to a hot tip. My name is Drew, and I'm working on some whitetail from this fall. I'm at the point right now where I'm ready to start packaging. I like to use freezer paper, and I used to like to use plastic wrap, but my hot tip is for you to go down to your grocery store, talk to your local produce clerk, and have them sell you a roll of produce bags. This one I've had for about three years. As you can see, it's getting down there. It's served me well. I just bought this one recently. I think it cost me 12, 15 bucks. They're not going to know exactly what to price it at, but they'll figure it out for you. Anyway, produce bags are simple, just like you're buying some broccoli at the store. Give it a rip.

• 30:24Speaker 09

  Cut your steaks out, throw them in there. It's really nice, you can give it a good squeeze and get all that air out of there. Give it a spin. Tie it off. Once you got everything bagged, you're ready to start wrapping. When you go to thaw this out to eat it later, you're not gonna have a big mess in your fridge. There's your hot tip.

• 30:43Speaker 05

  Hmm, that's pretty good.

• 30:44Speaker 03

  I like that.

• 30:45Speaker 05

  Size Sneed. It's almost like a vac- being vacuum sealed.

• 30:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:49Speaker 09

  Hey there, Meat Eater Radio Live, this is Size Sneed coming at you with a hot tip-off. You've got your freezer here, it's full of meat, hopefully. Your wife says, "Hey, what you run out there and grab some out of the freezer for dinner?" I say, "Well, what do you want?" She says, "I don't know, what do you want?" "I don't really care, it's up to you." "Well, what do we have in the freezer?" "I'm not sure." Well, here's how you know. Get you a little whiteboard like this, magnetic, it was like four bucks. I have over here my mousse, elk, salmon, blah, blah, blah. So I can run out there and I can say, "Hey, we've got 21 pounds of ground mousse meat out here, what do you say we make something with that?" And she says, "Hey, sounds good." Makes your wife happy, makes your life better, and if you're hoard backstraps like me, you kinda can check it every time you walk by, it's a little bit like checking the stock market.

• 31:33Speaker 09

  It's gotta make you feel good.

• 31:35Speaker 05

  This guy's a showman.

• 31:36Speaker 09

  So, anyway, get you one of those, enjoy it, your life will be better, you heard it here first.

• 31:40Speaker 03

  Hmm, okay.

• 31:42Speaker 04

  I do like keeping track of stuff like that.

• 31:44Speaker 03

  That is...

• 31:45Speaker 05

  You would.

• 31:46Speaker 04

  Spreadsheet aficionado here.

• 31:48Speaker 05

  Immediately when I heard it, I was like, "Man, that's a lot of calculating."

• 31:51Speaker 03

  Well, I think if anybody...

• 31:54Speaker 05

  My freezer is full, Brett.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  If anybody here needs something to keep them organized, it would be you.

• 32:00Speaker 05

  I mean, when you're just, when you've got so much meat, so many deer, so many turkeys, so many bears, so many elk, so many mousse, I've never killed an elk, so many...

• 32:11Speaker 04

  I've seen the backseat of Clay Newcomb's truck during hunting season, and this is the thing that I've never seen before and it still hurts my soul. I once opened the back door of his truck and he has loose climbing sticks just thrown all over the place in there. They're not even strapped together.

• 32:27Speaker 03

  You wonder about, is my tet- you wonder if my tetanus shot is up to date before you get in the back of this truck?

• 32:33Speaker 05

  Hey, listen, I can't argue, what the man says is true.

• 32:37Speaker 03

  Okay, but I'm gonna tell you what my vote is right now.

• 32:40Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 32:40Speaker 03

  And it's Size Sneed, I love that. I like that.

• 32:43Speaker 06

  We have a poll open in the chat right now, and guess what? You guys are going to be selecting the winner, you all in the live chat.

• 32:50Speaker 04

  Oh, so it doesn't even matter.

• 32:51Speaker 06

  Get your votes in. You know, you're just providing color commentary, Mark. I'm sorry to take away power from you.

• 32:56Speaker 05

  You know, I've got a, Cy was a showman. Appreciated the passion. Admire the organization. I think it's a bit unrealistic. It's kind of like seeing like some celebrity talking about something that you're like, dude, live in the real world. Cy's a great man.

• 33:15Speaker 06

  Brent, we have an allegation on the TV. I don't know if you want to address it. You can't.

• 33:20Speaker 03

  My wife's.

• 33:21Speaker 05

  Ah, yes, Alexis.

• 33:23Speaker 03

  We weren't talking, we weren't talking about my truck. We were talking about Clay's.

• 33:27Speaker 06

  For the audio listeners, Alexis is claiming that Brent's truck is also awful.

• 33:32Speaker 03

  Well, just for that, I'll clean it up.

• 33:35Speaker 04

  Though, to add on to what you're saying, Clay, I love his idea, the keeping track of everything. But to get that done, it takes a lot of upfront work because you've got to count everything. You've got to update your chart every time you add something new. So that's adding, you know, more, more work to your schedule.

• 33:52Speaker 05

  Right.

• 33:53Speaker 04

  While the first guy, Drew, his little baggy idea saves you time because that's going to be faster than cutting all these individual pieces of plastic wrap and wrapping them up individually and trying to make sure. I'm always not cutting it long enough.

• 34:05Speaker 03

  This is what I heard Mark Kenyon say. I'm lazy.

• 34:09Speaker 05

  Mark is anything but lazy.

• 34:11Speaker 03

  I like, I have a vacuum.

• 34:13Speaker 04

  Time management.

• 34:14Speaker 03

  I have a vacuum sealer, so I vacuum seal all of my stuff, which is what, more or less what Drew was doing.

• 34:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, when he was doing it, I actually thought you could probably suck almost all the air out of that.

• 34:24Speaker 03

  There's still plenty in there, but, but I have one. So, I mean, the organ, and I vacuum seal it. It's all pretty uniform and I can, I can put it in there like a grocery store, pretty much. So, but the, the idea on the, on the listing of everything, I like that.

• 34:42Speaker 05

  You know, I think maybe Drew's though, his expectations of people's ability to do something out of the, out of the norm is maybe higher. Like Drew probably has a lot of people's skills, is able to go find someone in the produce section, haggle with them, get something that's not for sale. That takes a special man to do that. So hat tip to Drew. Also, maybe it's on the side of unrealistic too.

• 35:09Speaker 06

  I'm gonna end, I'm gonna end the poll here in about 10 seconds. So get those, get those last, last second votes in if you want.

• 35:14Speaker 04

  My vote's for Drew. I like them both, but I'm voting for Drew.

• 35:17Speaker 03

  Mark's got, Drew's got one from Mark.

• 35:19Speaker 04

  Yeah. Clay?

• 35:20Speaker 03

  Clay?

• 35:20Speaker 04

  If he had to pick.

• 35:21Speaker 05

  Uh, Drew.

• 35:22Speaker 03

  I'm going with, I'm going with Cy.

• 35:25Speaker 06

  Well, the winner of the poll is Cy Snead with about 70, over 70% of the vote. So he kinda cleaned up there.

• 35:32Speaker 03

  I know my audience.

• 35:33Speaker 05

  Bunch of dreamers out there.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:36Speaker 06

  Congrats, Cy.

• 35:37Speaker 05

  Good job, Cy. It was a great tip.

• 35:39Speaker 03

  Good job. Okay, uh, let's see. Cy needs to holler at, uh, Phil? Or you, Corey?

• 35:47Speaker 07

  I'll, I'll reach out to him.

• 35:48Speaker 03

  Corey, you gonna reach out to him? Corey'll reach out to you and get all your stuff squared away on all your plunder that you just won. Uh, how about some more listener feedback that does not have someone?

• 36:01Speaker 06

  Named Alexis Reed?

• 36:02Speaker 03

  No, you can just call on her at any time unless it's disparaging remarks about.

• 36:06Speaker 06

  Sure, only glowing things about Brent.

• 36:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 36:09Speaker 06

  Uh, let's see here.

• 36:11Speaker 05

  Thank you, Alexis.

• 36:15Speaker 06

  Uh, this is from Michael. Question for Clay or Mark. Tips on getting started in the writing world?

• 36:21Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 36:21Speaker 06

  This is kind of a big, big question here, but how'd you guys get curious about writing?

• 36:25Speaker 03

  ABCs are a big factor in that.

• 36:26Speaker 04

  Uh, a little bit.

• 36:29Speaker 05

  Mark's writing a book.

• 36:30Speaker 04

  Writing another book right now. Yeah. First book has been out for like five years now, That Wild Country. Do they know what you're doing, Clay?

• 36:36Speaker 05

  Well, Mark is a writer. Mark is a published author. Incredible book, That Wild Country, and he's writing a second one. So Mark, take it away.

• 36:44Speaker 04

  Uh, okay. So the very fast answer to that question would be getting started in the writing world. First, you just gotta do it. So don't wait until someone gives you a contract or a deal or a public publication opportunity. Just start writing more and more. Flex that muscle, exercise that muscle. Get good. Number two, publish, publish, publish on your own. So use whatever platform you have, whether it's Substack or a blog or little things on your Instagram, whatever. You gotta put stuff out there into the world. So that eventually opportunities for people to read your work. Give you feedback and or give you opportunities arise. So practice, practice, practice, put it out there, put it out there, put it out there. And then network. Talk to every single person that you possibly could who might, you know, have a connection with some kind of publication someday. Build those relationships.

• 37:29Speaker 04

  And slowly, if you do those three things over and over and over again for years, opportunities arise. And when those opportunities are, uh, present themselves, you have worked enough in all these years behind the scenes, getting good enough at your craft that you can meet the moment.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  Ernest Hemingway wrote Naked, so there's always that.

• 37:47Speaker 04

  You guys don't?

• 37:50Speaker 03

  Moving on. Have we got, have we got another one up there?

• 37:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, this guy has submitted this question three times. So he's, he's chomping at the bit to get an answer and I, I don't know what he's talking about. Maybe you guys do. Question for Clay, will you ever do a bear grease podcast on the treeing feist breed of squirrel dogs? Is there something, uh, unique or special about a treeing feist?

• 38:08Speaker 05

  Phil, that's a ridiculous question. Yes, there is something very special about treeing feist. Oh, that, that's the kind of squirrel dogs that I hunt. And it, it probably would be a great bear grease podcast. No plans to do one. I, I, I am planning to have a, a feist man on the Bear Grease Render soon. A real deal guy over in Arkansas that raises a lot of squirrel dogs. But they're, they're, yeah, it's a really fun little, little breed of dog. It's what my dogs are, my squirrel dogs.

• 38:39Speaker 03

  Yep, they're cool dogs. They are good.

• 38:42Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 38:43Speaker 06

  Cool. Uh, question from Coach Baumann, Clay Orbrant. Curious on your take, uh, on why dove hunting is so popular, but you don't hear much about pigeons. Just curious why pigeon isn't considered a game bird.

• 38:54Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't know anything about pigeons or, or what they even taste like. And I'll eat about anything I can get hemmed up and get skinned. But dove hunting in the South is a social event more than anything.

• 39:06Speaker 05

  I mean, isn't a pigeon an invasive bird?

• 39:08Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 39:10Speaker 05

  I mean, we wouldn't have pigeons. I mean, like, there might be some pigeons, like, living under the bridge somewhere.

• 39:15Speaker 03

  The folks eat them?

• 39:17Speaker 04

  Steve has.

• 39:18Speaker 05

  I mean, I think doves are a native game bird. So to answer your question, I mean, it's a native game bird that lives in the wild, very broadly distributed across the country versus an invasive bird.

• 39:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:32Speaker 05

  That's my question.

• 39:32Speaker 03

  A morning dove, we have morning doves. Those are invasive too in Arkansas.

• 39:37Speaker 04

  So, the common pigeon is also known as a rock dove. And they are native to Southern Europe, North Africa, and Western Asia. Now, in Steve's first book, he writes quite extensively about pigeons and eating little baby pigeons.

• 40:00Speaker 03

  Really?

• 40:00Speaker 04

  Pigeon squabs, I think they call them.

• 40:02Speaker 03

  I've never seen a baby.

• 40:03Speaker 04

  It was big in Europe. I think in France, that was a delicacy.

• 40:06Speaker 03

  Squab, yeah. But I've never seen that. You ever seen a, like, a runt, just flying around? Someone, I saw that somewhere. All the pigeons you see are, look like they're all the same size. You've never seen a juvenile one. They grow quick. What's up with that?

• 40:21Speaker 05

  Let's move on.

• 40:22Speaker 03

  I've got lots of questions about that.

• 40:24Speaker 06

  This is more of a Chetwick question, but Con Man is asking, um, he says he's going hunting with two of his brothers on Sunday. He's yet to kill a long-beared, only Jake's. How do I go about asking to get the first shot on a tom when I'm taking them?

• 40:35Speaker 03

  Be like Clay and be quick on the trigger.

• 40:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:38Speaker 03

  He don't ask. Just beg for forgiveness.

• 40:42Speaker 06

  There you go.

• 40:43Speaker 04

  I feel like if I was your brother, though, that should just be, like, the good, the right thing to do. You would hope, you'd think so.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  It's turkey season, Mark.

• 40:50Speaker 04

  That's ruthless down south, isn't it?

• 40:51Speaker 03

  It's different.

• 40:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, sorry.

• 40:52Speaker 03

  My brother, my brother used to, he would, was listening for a turkey that wasn't there. I took a, a mounted turkey foot, and I knew where he was listening, but he wouldn't tell me, and I made tracks in the mud, in the, off the ditch bank where he was stopping and listening. And I asked him, I said, are you hearing any turkeys? He said, man, were you listening? He said, I ain't gonna tell you. He said, but there is sign everywhere, but I ain't heard one yet. And I'm like, well, just hang in there, buddy. He'll be there. Now that kept him off of my spot.

• 41:21Speaker 04

  You really did that.

• 41:22Speaker 05

  Brett said that with his brother, they shared everything except turkeys.

• 41:26Speaker 03

  No turkeys. It's every man for himself then.

• 41:29Speaker 06

  We'll do one more and then we'll, we'll move along here. Caddison is asking, I think he was the one who also piped in with the films versus episode debate. Uh, he asked, and he went through slash December archery elk tips. He drew his first elk tag in a primo unit outside of the rut.

• 41:43Speaker 04

  He asked on the wrong episode. You got the wrong guys here for that one.

• 41:47Speaker 05

  Brett killed an elk, you've probably killed an elk.

• 41:49Speaker 04

  I've killed one elk.

• 41:50Speaker 05

  Yeah. Clay's never killed an elk.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  Cory's the guy that asked for that.

• 41:54Speaker 06

  Oh, well Cory, Cory, you can get on mic. I, I can cut to your camera. So I'm kind of embarrassed how sloppy it looks over here, but there you are.

• 42:01Speaker 07

  Oh, hi. Uh, is that my archery elk? I mean, they're gonna be in their, I don't know what state you're planning on hunting, but they'll be in their winter range by then. Bulls will be all bachelored up together. Typically out in sunshine in the morning and bedding on a south face somewhere that's not too snowy. So do a lot of glassing, look for tracks, fresh sign. And, uh, yeah, good luck. It's hard to stock elk in the snow with a bow.

• 42:31Speaker 06

  Are there archery seasons open in December around here?

• 42:34Speaker 07

  Not around here. I'm trying to think where that would be. Washington perhaps?

• 42:39Speaker 06

  All right.

• 42:39Speaker 03

  I don't know. Drop us a, drop us a pin, uh, Caddison, we won't tell anybody on the chat live. All right. Is that good, Phil? We're good on the chat?

• 42:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, we'll, we'll tackle a few more questions at the end of the show. So if you have any more questions for Brent, Clay or Mark, who knows when they will be back on Radio Live, get them in ASAP.

• 43:01Speaker 03

  All right, on to our next segment, which is one minute fishing.

• 43:05Speaker 06

  I am excited for this.

• 43:15Speaker 03

  That's you, isn't it Phil? That is outstanding. Appreciate it. One minute fishing. Channel my inner Eastwood gravel. One minute fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have a one minute to catch a fish. If they're successful, we'll make a $500 donation to a conservation group. And for the whole month of April, our, or April, as we call it in Arkansas, our friends at Trout Unlimited are joining us for one minute. Oh, wait a minute, let me read this again. I'm confused. And for the whole month of, oh, I got it. Eight grade education. I figured it out. For the whole month of April, Trout Unlimited is joining us for the one minute fishing episode. Are you? Okay. Who wrote this? Corey?

• 44:01Speaker 03

  I think Spencer. Spencer. Trout Unlimited. This week, our angler is Tanner Bownap. Tanner is on a spring creek near the Salt River, somewhere on the border of Wyoming and Idaho. And he's fishing for a donation to Trout Unlimited. Tanner, welcome to the show. Let's go Tanner.

• 44:21Speaker 12

  Thanks, Pat.

• 44:23Speaker 03

  Tell us about yourself, man. What, what, what's your claim to fame? What do you do for a living?

• 44:28Speaker 12

  I don't really have any claims to fame, but, uh, grew up in Alabama and Ohio. Uh, been fishing and hunting since I was old enough to walk. Um, grew up fishing out in Colorado every summer and fished some rivers that, uh, Trout Unlimited saves by, uh, fighting for minimum stream flows. So since I was a little kid, I kinda thought of TU employees as superheroes and, uh, in Ohio through middle school and high school, I volunteered with Trout Unlimited and Project Healing Waters, um, just hundreds of hours and moved out west for college at Oregon State. Uh, ended up working as an engineer for about a year and a half or so.

• 45:10Speaker 12

  And then, uh, saw this job opportunity with Trout Unlimited pop up and that's what I've been doing ever since. Um, also on the Wyoming BHA board, uh, right when all the corner crossing stuff started. So, uh, that's been pretty cool as well.

• 45:24Speaker 03

  Awesome, man. You busy as a cat in a sandbox. We, uh, we ask y'all to highlight some important watersheds across the country for this segment. Now tell us about the Salt River watershed. Was that a duck? What? No, we're, we're getting a little bit of an echo feedback there, Clay. It did sound like a duck though.

• 45:43Speaker 03

  Tell us about, tell us about the Salt River watershed.

• 45:46Speaker 12

  Uh, yeah, Wyoming, uh, is a really special place because we drain into the, uh, Mississippi River, the Colorado River, the Bear River, as well as the Snake River. The, uh, Salt River is part of the Snake River headwaters here. Um, really unique. It's a place where cutthroat trout still dominate the main stem. Can you guys hear me all right over the wind?

• 46:07Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 46:10Speaker 12

  Okay. Uh, cutthroat trout still dominate the main stem of the rivers here, which doesn't really exist anywhere else in the Rockies. Uh, usually they're isolated, the small tributaries. Um, and the Salt River is a really unique spot within the Snake River headwaters. It, it has the most fish per mile of anywhere up here, as well as the biggest fish. It has a ton of spring creeks and sloughs and, uh, really good groundwater in- influence that helps keep temps low in the summer and warm in the winter. So it's really productive. Uh, the river is highly degraded. If you spend a lot of time on western trout streams, you'll see it when you're floating it. It, uh, of the 10 major tributaries, five of them are fully dewatered every year. Um, about 10 miles

• 46:55Speaker 12

  of the river itself are fully dewatered every year. The, uh, there's extensive bank erosion and sedimentation issues. Uh, there's a large scale removal of willows and riparian vegetation back in the early to mid 1900s. And that plus grazing and, and other things have just led to a very over widened river that's, uh, the pools are a lot shallower with less cover than they would have naturally. And the riffles, when they get over widened, you get a lot of sediment deposition in the gravel. So you get a lot lower macro invertebrate productivity, um, and less spawning habitats. So a lot of the work we're doing is to address those issues.

• 47:35Speaker 03

  Awesome, man.

• 47:36Speaker 04

  I, I gotta jump in.

• 47:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, jump, get in there.

• 47:38Speaker 04

  I just gotta say that I love this region over there. I spend my summers out there and, and a large part of my best moments in life have been out there. And I'm so appreciative of the stuff you guys are doing because those Snake River and Yellowstone cutthroat trout in that region are absolute gems of the natural world. Those rivers are so special and, uh, and yeah, they need, they need our attention. So, so thank you, Tanner. And I also gotta say, are you going to the Bull Moose Saloon tonight? Cause that place up there is one of my favorites.

• 48:07Speaker 12

  Well, I, I live about, uh, two blocks away from the Bull Moose. I don't think I'll be in there tonight.

• 48:13Speaker 03

  He probably got a chair named with his name on it in there.

• 48:16Speaker 04

  That's a great spot.

• 48:17Speaker 12

  Yeah, next time you're here, I'd be happy to put you on some big fish.

• 48:21Speaker 04

  Oh, come in.

• 48:22Speaker 03

  Don't say things you don't mean.

• 48:24Speaker 12

  I mean it.

• 48:25Speaker 03

  All right, let's talk about what we're fishing for today, Tanner. What are you targeting today?

• 48:29Speaker 05

  Oh, we ain't even fished yet.

• 48:31Speaker 03

  No.

• 48:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, we gotta fish.

• 48:32Speaker 03

  And how, and what are you gonna do? What are you fishing for and how you gonna do it?

• 48:37Speaker 12

  So I'm fishing for native Snake River Cutthroat, uh, potentially a brown trout and there might even be a white fish in here, but really whatever will bite. Been out here for about an hour and a half and had two bites, so.

• 48:49Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 48:51Speaker 03

  I just saw a bull shark right behind you.

• 48:53Speaker 05

  Odds are stacked against you, Tanner.

• 48:55Speaker 04

  He can do it.

• 48:55Speaker 12

  Yeah, but we, uh, we saved the best pool for this, so, uh, haven't even cast it in there yet, so there's, there's a chance.

• 49:03Speaker 03

  All right.

• 49:03Speaker 12

  See ya.

• 49:04Speaker 03

  Man, the drama. Okay, I want you to, I want you to take your time, but hurry up every chance you get. And as soon as that fly hits the water, we gonna start the timer.

• 49:14Speaker 04

  Come on, Tanner. You got this, Tanner.

• 49:16Speaker 05

  Pull a big old flathead out of there.

• 49:18Speaker 04

  Please don't pull a flathead out of there.

• 49:21Speaker 05

  That'd be bad news for the trout, wouldn't it?

• 49:22Speaker 04

  Yes, it would.

• 49:23Speaker 03

  I wonder if he needs to stretch before he starts.

• 49:26Speaker 05

  Is he, uh, is he fly fishing?

• 49:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think he's fly fishing.

• 49:28Speaker 03

  He's running a trot line.

• 49:29Speaker 04

  That's, is that a, is that a hoop net?

• 49:33Speaker 03

  What kind of, tell me what you got.

• 49:36Speaker 12

  Got a, we got a triple rig here just to maximize the odds. We got a Pat's Rubber Legs to an egg to a Duracell.

• 49:43Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Love the Duracell out there.

• 49:45Speaker 12

  Just put the smorgasbord out there, we'll see.

• 49:48Speaker 04

  Here we go.

• 49:49Speaker 05

  Ray vac.

• 49:52Speaker 03

  Here we go. False cast.

• 49:53Speaker 04

  Nice technique.

• 49:56Speaker 05

  Come on, baby.

• 49:57Speaker 04

  Manage that line.

• 49:59Speaker 05

  Come on, baby.

• 49:59Speaker 04

  He's smooth. Mend it, mend it.

• 50:03Speaker 05

  Mark, yeah, what's going on here?

• 50:05Speaker 04

  What he's doing here is he's got this, this nice little, I don't know, the opposite bank. You can see there's some moving water, there's a faster current. He's trying to move his fly through there while maintaining a, what's called a drag free drift with his three flies. So he's going to be flipping the fly line up so that the drift of his fly matches the speed of the current. So he's going to be casting and then flipping the line, flipping the line, flipping the line as it comes down towards him while also simultaneously using his left hand to pull in any slack lines so that he maintains contact with that fly. Any second now, any second now he's gonna set fly. And we're gonna have a big ol' beautiful snake river cutthroat trout and I will be so excited. Come on Tanner.

• 50:50Speaker 03

  Time's up.

• 50:51Speaker 06

  Unfortunately, that's the time right there.

• 50:52Speaker 05

  Dang. That was the most impassioned description of fly fishing I've ever heard in my life.

• 50:58Speaker 03

  That was like, uh, you should be at Augusta.

• 51:00Speaker 04

  Oh, I love it.

• 51:02Speaker 03

  That was awesome.

• 51:03Speaker 05

  Almost cried.

• 51:05Speaker 12

  Oh, the downside of a triple rig is sometimes you hook all your flies.

• 51:09Speaker 03

  That's me, brother. That's me with a single rig right there.

• 51:13Speaker 04

  That'll happen.

• 51:14Speaker 12

  I don't think the, uh, heavy backwind helped me out very much, but we all got it.

• 51:18Speaker 03

  I'm sure it didn't.

• 51:19Speaker 04

  It was a valiant attempt Tanner.

• 51:20Speaker 03

  You're also doing that in front of four million people right now that are watching.

• 51:24Speaker 04

  At least. You did great Tanner.

• 51:27Speaker 05

  John Tanner.

• 51:28Speaker 03

  Give me, give me, give me your pitches for what's going on for Trout Unlimited. You got any local events or some stuff that we need to be aware of?

• 51:37Speaker 12

  Yeah, you mind if I mention some of the project works we, work we've done here?

• 51:41Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 51:43Speaker 12

  Yeah, so, um, in the Salt River watershed, I just started it a little under three years ago, but our work here started a bit before then. Um, we've done about seven miles of full-scale habitat restoration work on Ten Cup Creek, one mile on Swift Creek, uh, about a third of a mile on the Salt River. Uh, we've replaced or retrofitted, uh, three different fish passage barriers on the Salt River. And then, uh, for upcoming projects, we have about three and a half miles of full-scale habitat restoration on the Salt River coming up in the next year and a half. Uh, we're just working on raising all the funds to implement that work. Um, then we're working on some aqua recharge programs and some other things to try to,

• 52:26Speaker 12

  um, boost flows in some of those dewatered streams and improve stream flows in the river.

• 52:32Speaker 03

  Tell me about, okay, let's tell the folks where if they want to support you, where they're going to find you, where do they, where can they join your organization and, and all that stuff?

• 52:40Speaker 12

  Um, yeah, you can join Trout Unlimited, just Google it and that, that helps us a lot, um, especially with some of the uncertainty we've had in funding recently, just having a strong membership really helps us out. Uh, then the Star Valley chapter, uh, we're actually holding an online sweepstakes right now for a Wyoming commissioner license. So a Wyoming commissioner license, whoever wins it gets to choose between any deer, elk or pronghorn tag in the state of Wyoming. Um, I'll send you guys the link for that. So that's the first prize, the second pla- pla- place prize is a, uh, real nice Tica 270 with a Swarovski scope and the third place prize is a nice pair of binos, but, uh, if

• 53:20Speaker 12

  you guys could help spread the word on that, we're trying to raise upwards of $40,000 and we're about 700 right now, so.

• 53:28Speaker 04

  Wait, let's get it in there. He, he didn't win the $500 donation to Trout Unlimited because he didn't catch a fish, but I'll personally donate 200 bucks as soon as we end this episode right now. I don't make Clay Newcomb money, so I can't do the full 500, but I'll fund at least $200 of donations right after this to support what you guys are doing. Did you check with your wife before you did this? I didn't. I'll, I'll hear for.

• 53:49Speaker 03

  I like it.

• 53:50Speaker 04

  I'll hear about it later.

• 53:51Speaker 03

  Wow, big money. Tanner, thank you so much, man. We appreciate the effort and especially the effort, what you guys are doing, that whole organization, it's, you're doing some great work and we appreciate it. And Mark's $200 pour because of you. Also, fourth place in that contest gets to fish with hand grenades. Thanks Tanner.

• 54:11Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 54:12Speaker 12

  Thank you.

• 54:13Speaker 04

  Thanks Tanner.

• 54:14Speaker 03

  See you Tanner. Okay, is this a new segment we got going here? This new?

• 54:18Speaker 04

  No, it's not. It's been a while since we've done it, but it's, it's, it is not new, no.

• 54:22Speaker 06

  Do you not watch?

• 54:23Speaker 03

  I do watch, but I have a short memory. Your name?

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• 57:07Speaker 03

  I'm looking forward to this. I know Mark is really looking forward to it. It's called show and tell.

• 57:25Speaker 04

  Phil's really into the 80s. He's always, he's always riffing on 80s songs.

• 57:29Speaker 05

  Is that you?

• 57:33Speaker 04

  Sorry, the first, first half of that got cut off. I know.

• 57:36Speaker 05

  Getting very mixed signals from Yanis about our friendship.

• 57:39Speaker 03

  Yanis is telling us he's number, that we're number one. Okay, here's what we did. Each of us brought in an outdoor related item that we want to talk about. This is exactly like the elementary school version of show and tell. Remember the eight years you were in elementary school?

• 57:56Speaker 05

  I remember the first thing I ever brought to show and tell.

• 57:59Speaker 03

  Okay, well, let's see what y'all brought. Clay, what you got?

• 58:03Speaker 05

  In, in second grade, well, in third grade, I think was the first real show and tell I had. And I remember I brought my dad the biggest buck Gary Newcomb, believer Newcomb ever killed. He had it sawn off and I brought it to school. So dang proud of it. Carried my dad's buck in.

• 58:20Speaker 04

  That's pretty cool.

• 58:20Speaker 05

  Yanis Poutellus is here, folks. Mark, do you want to go first? I would like for you to go first. Or, I mean, I'm trying to give you the best slot. You think the best slot is the last? I'll let you go last?

• 58:30Speaker 04

  I'll take it now because we're running out of time.

• 58:32Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 58:33Speaker 04

  And I won't get to gloat.

• 58:34Speaker 05

  Gloat, go for it, Mark.

• 58:35Speaker 04

  Favorite fishing moment in years. Right now I have with me to show and tell. A fly that caught my very first tarpon ever. So you just heard me do play by play on someone's fly fishing. So you can tell I love fly fishing.

• 58:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:49Speaker 04

  Well, tarpon are a saltwater species that I've dreamed of for many, many years and attempted to catch on a fly rod for a handful of years now. And finally, about two weeks ago, finally got done. So this little purple and black.

• 59:03Speaker 05

  Is that bucktail?

• 59:04Speaker 04

  Uh, no, but uh, I don't know what the deer look like by you, but it is.

• 59:09Speaker 05

  Bucktail jig.

• 59:11Speaker 04

  Yes, I understand what you're saying. Anyways.

• 59:14Speaker 05

  Grown folks, grown folks are talking, Clay. Come on, that's. Go ahead, Mark. I mean, I would call that a bucktail jig. I bet money that's bucktail.

• 59:22Speaker 02

  I don't think it is bucktail.

• 59:24Speaker 05

  We got a picture of Mark's.

• 59:25Speaker 02

  They die it. Oh, yeah.

• 59:27Speaker 04

  But yeah, so, so uh, to make a long story short, this fly caught my very first tarpon ever, which was a, a baby tarpon. That one's not the baby. The smaller fish was the baby tarpon.

• 59:38Speaker 05

  That, Mark.

• 59:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, caught that one off the dock of a rental home. There were these little schools of, of fish coming through and my kids were out there watching and, and saw one moving through and was able to cast out in front of it enough and strip, strip, strip, strip it in. And that little guy, not little, I mean, it's two foot long. Um, that was awesome. And then the next day I was able to go out with a buddy on a skiff and fish for adults. And I caught my first real tarpon, which is that sucker right there on a fly. Uh, it's like big game hunting. Tarpon fishing with a fly rod is the, the closest connection I've seen from fishing to bow hunting. It was like sitting in a tree stand, day after day after day, and then a Boone and Crockett buck comes in at 20 yards and you have just seconds. I mean, we, you, you're out there hunting for fish. You're out in these flats. You're spending hours and hours searching for a fish like this.

• 1:00:24Speaker 04

  Cause you don't just blindly cast. You're waiting until you see one of these fish. And then this six foot torpedo comes in at you. You see it. You have two and a half seconds to assess where that fish is going, how fast it's going to go there. You have to then immediately lay out a perfect shot. They don't even call it a cast. It's a shot. I've got one shot to get that fly just in front of that fish at just the right time and then immediately begin retrieving at just the right cadence and pace. And I did that over and over for days and days and days over the last handful of years. And finally. Two weeks ago, the stars aligned and that, you know, I don't know, almost five foot long fish, finally took my fly. You set that hook and you feel this connection with your left hand directly. There's no rod in between me and the fish. There's no reel. This is a long story? There is a, this is, yeah.

• 1:01:09Speaker 02

  We've got plenty of time. There's no time.

• 1:01:12Speaker 04

  My, my fly line is in my left hand and then it comes tight into the bony mouth that like a bowling ball mouth. And you really got a. On the other side and you feel that it feels like you're connected to.

• 1:01:23Speaker 05

  Do you not have a fishing pole?

• 1:01:24Speaker 04

  Well, you do, but the fishing pole is pointed directly at that fish. So in the moment at the set. So I'm, I cast out, that rod goes underneath my armpit. And then I have to use both hands to grab the line and then slowly retrieve it like this. So if people could, if you're not watching, I'm using two hands while holding my rod in my armpit and retrieving slowly but steadily this fly. And this monstrous fish comes out, you know, I saw him cast to and he comes and he's following it. So it's like a shark following a little baby fish. And then all of a sudden you see this mouth just whoop, open up like a bowling ball and then spins. And then I feel this just, it's like if you're holding a leash to a rottweiler and all of a sudden he sees a squirrel. And that squirrel, he's lunges and then immediately feel like this electricity go through your entire body.

• 1:02:08Speaker 04

  And it blew my mind. And for 20 plus minutes, I was, you know, one on one with that fish. How far, how far was the cast? How far was the shot when he's. Twenty foot, something like that.

• 1:02:17Speaker 05

  Oh, right.

• 1:02:18Speaker 04

  So it's pretty close.

• 1:02:19Speaker 05

  Are you compelled to memorialize this fish with a replica?

• 1:02:23Speaker 04

  No, but I will cherish that photo and that memory.

• 1:02:26Speaker 05

  You don't want a replica hanging in your house?

• 1:02:29Speaker 04

  I don't think my wife would allow it.

• 1:02:31Speaker 05

  Mark, you just paid away $200 for trout.

• 1:02:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, I do. I do love them, but I've got too many deer mounts. No, mounts are not allowed in my house anymore unless it's 170 plus or like somehow astronomical. Okay, Mark does not speak for the rest of us, by the way.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  What do you reckon that fish weighs, Mark?

• 1:02:47Speaker 04

  Uh, we thought it was like 75 some pounds, something like that. Jake thought that.

• 1:02:51Speaker 05

  Florida, it was in Florida?

• 1:02:53Speaker 04

  Yep, this is down in Florida.

• 1:02:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:54Speaker 04

  And I will be tarpon fishing every year that I possibly can make it down there. You're hooked. Oh, my goodness.

• 1:03:00Speaker 05

  I know you catch and release them, right?

• 1:03:02Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, catch and release. And I literally, you can't even take a fish like that out of the water. So I had to hop into the water with it to, uh...

• 1:03:08Speaker 05

  What do you mean you can't?

• 1:03:09Speaker 04

  It's illegal to take a fish that's over forty pounds, I think, in Florida, out of the water.

• 1:03:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:03:14Speaker 04

  And so I hopped in there with it and, uh, you know, was able to snap a couple of photos and, and hold this fish.

• 1:03:20Speaker 05

  Mark's kind of hogging show and tell.

• 1:03:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, it should stop.

• 1:03:23Speaker 06

  Oh, speaking of, but before we get off the topic of fishing, Spencer wants you all to commit to doing a one-minute fishing for this show sometime in the near future.

• 1:03:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, count me in.

• 1:03:31Speaker 02

  Hey, they usually have cute, uh, names for these flies. Do you know the name of this fly?

• 1:03:35Speaker 04

  I don't know the name of this fly. I think it's just a tarpon streamer.

• 1:03:39Speaker 05

  I think it's bucktail, tarpon jig. That's what it looks like to me.

• 1:03:42Speaker 04

  We use, uh, purple.

• 1:03:43Speaker 02

  I think it's too soft to be bucktail.

• 1:03:46Speaker 04

  I don't think so.

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  I think bucktail's a little more coarse.

• 1:03:48Speaker 05

  I think that's, well, that's synthetic, Mark. This isn't even genuine. You cheated.

• 1:03:53Speaker 04

  I don't care what it is, it works.

• 1:03:54Speaker 05

  No, it was a great, that was... That's a great fish. Impassioned story.

• 1:03:58Speaker 04

  I loved it.

• 1:03:58Speaker 05

  I, I, I have no doubt that that's, like, compelling. Playboi, you're up. How, how much time do we have? Are, are we on a timeline?

• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:04:06Speaker 05

  We got no timeline?

• 1:04:07Speaker 04

  No, I thought you were gonna cut us off at one hour.

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  Nope.

• 1:04:09Speaker 05

  Oh, sweet. Okay, well...

• 1:04:11Speaker 06

  The show's...

• 1:04:12Speaker 04

  Well, I got more of my stories than in that case.

• 1:04:14Speaker 05

  Are you, are you done?

• 1:04:15Speaker 04

  I'll stop, I'm good.

• 1:04:16Speaker 05

  No, that's compelling. That's good, brother. So, I would say my story really is comparable in a way to Mark's in that it was a, a kind of a, a long time idea that came to fruition. Uh, two years ago, I killed a bear in Arkansas with a stone point. And so in archery, you know, you can, you can take archery to the extreme of going like super primitive. And, uh, I had, I, I wanted to, to, because of the limitations of the equipment, I wanted to shoot a bear off the ground at five yards. And the only way I could figure out how to do that was to dig, uh, basically a ground pit. So what we call the bear pit. So we went in and, and dug a deep hole.

• 1:04:59Speaker 05

  And basically it helps with some scent control when the wind's right. And, uh, and I shot this bear in about three yards. I believe in natural scent control, Mark.

• 1:05:09Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:05:09Speaker 05

  Yeah. He rolls around in the dirt. But this point, I brought this stone point because this, this is a fulsome point, which a fulsome point is a, a, a, a...

• 1:05:22Speaker 05

  It's in, it's, Folsom points were found in Folsom, New Mexico, discovered inside a bone pile of bison antiques. We did a whole series on it by a, a man named George McJunkin was the one who found the, the bison pit. But Folsom points are the, are the most beautiful and arguably the most difficult stone points in the world to make. To make. And so, that, you know, there's a lot of mystery around why they made stone points, because you gotta have very high quality material and just the, the, the napping process is incredibly difficult. There's a forty per, fifty, forty to fifty percent failure rate with, with fluting the sides. So if you look, the sides of this point are completely flat.

• 1:06:05Speaker 05

  They're ultra thin. And so, there's a lot of mystery around the Folsom people and why they did this. And I could talk about it for hours.

• 1:06:12Speaker 02

  I can tell you why they did it.

• 1:06:13Speaker 05

  Why do you think they did it, Yannis?

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  Penetration, buddy.

• 1:06:16Speaker 05

  Penetration.

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  A skinnier broadhead's gonna penetrate better than a fat broadhead.

• 1:06:20Speaker 05

  I mean, that's a, that's a very simplified answer.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:06:24Speaker 05

  That, that is, is partly right, but there were, there were bigger, there had to been more reasons than that for the, the difficulty they went through. But this actual Folsom point is a, is a, what we call a replica, like a Folsom man didn't make this. Right. Eleven thousand, seven hundred years ago. A man named Tony Sores in California made it. And he is arguably the, the most skilled man on the planet at making Folsom points. There's, there's a collection of people that can make them. A lot of flint nappers can make them, but Tony Sores is one of the best in the world. And the biggest question about Folsom is how did they make them? And so, Tony made this one for me. There's a film on the Mead Leader YouTube channel of me killing a bear out of the pit with this

• 1:07:09Speaker 05

  point. And, uh, but I will tell you this, Tony has a... He made these points for me, like I watched him make them. And he has a method that he would not allow us to film. That is like, like his proprietary way to make a fulsome point.

• 1:07:31Speaker 02

  Is he gonna pass that on before he dies, I hope?

• 1:07:34Speaker 05

  I mean, I hadn't talked, I, we're not that good of friends. I mean, like, I don't really talk to him about dying and stuff. But, uh, but he's, he's a great guy. Um, so maybe.

• 1:07:45Speaker 02

  He doesn't like to share all the knowledge.

• 1:07:46Speaker 05

  Well, it's like a trade secret. It's like if you, it's his business, like he.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  Oh, he sells those.

• 1:07:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, he does. I mean, it's, he does a lot of other stuff, but he, he sells like high-end fossil points. You can buy them from him. And, uh, and so it's, it's like a trade secret that he developed. But what he showed me was a jig that he made that he flutes these sides, so. Very cool.

• 1:08:10Speaker 07

  Now that fulsome point's attached to about nine inches of an arrow shaft.

• 1:08:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, so this.

• 1:08:15Speaker 07

  Is that where it broke off?

• 1:08:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, thi- this was the, the arrow that shot the bear with. And, and I got about like 11 inches of penetration. The bear fell within sight. The bear, actually, you can see it roll on camera, just barely.

• 1:08:28Speaker 07

  Did that go through the shoulder blade?

• 1:08:31Speaker 05

  It, uh, it didn't go through the shoulder blade. It, it, the, I mean, it did not go through the scapula. No. It did not. It, it just barely missed the scapula. But it was a, it, it was, the shot wasn't, it was, it was a good, it, it, it did good. But I kinda short stroked the bow when I shot it. He was so close. He was in a hurry, wasn't he? I was in a hurry. Yeah. And Bear Nooka, my son, killed a bear out of the bear pit this year. There's a film on me to your YouTube channel about that, a film.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  Have you guys been nominated for any film awards for these films you guys make?

• 1:09:06Speaker 05

  Not yet. Not yet.

• 1:09:09Speaker 02

  Not yet.

• 1:09:10Speaker 05

  Me and Mark make films, though. Did you see Mark's film?

• 1:09:12Speaker 02

  Oh, is Mark also a filmmaker?

• 1:09:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:14Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:09:14Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:09:15Speaker 04

  Wisconsin outdoorsman had a great idea. We're gonna pull the chat to get the official answer. Uh, I just started a poll, films or episodes? Please get your opinion in. Look, a show would, would entail episodic content. And we don't make episodic content anymore. At least us.

• 1:09:33Speaker 05

  I mean, when there was like, uh, Hunting with Yanni, you know? You know, whatever they called it.

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  Oh, so, so basically, all you gotta do is just take away the title of the grouping of your episodes, and they become films, is what you're saying?

• 1:09:47Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:09:47Speaker 05

  Yanni, it's just like so many things in life. It, you know, it's like, you're either a turkey hunter, or you're a turkey hunter.

• 1:09:56Speaker 03

  You're either the person who hunts turkeys.

• 1:09:58Speaker 04

  It's a tight poll, tight poll, get your votes in.

• 1:10:00Speaker 05

  And so, all I'm saying is that, what me and Mark do is an art.

• 1:10:07Speaker 04

  But what Yannis does?

• 1:10:09Speaker 05

  I mean, by his own proclamation. I'm not saying, I think Yanni makes art, baby. I think Yanni makes films.

• 1:10:17Speaker 03

  Maybe art.

• 1:10:18Speaker 05

  He's, uh, he's the one that's arguing with me.

• 1:10:22Speaker 03

  Okay, are y'all done? If y'all not gonna fight, we're going on.

• 1:10:26Speaker 02

  Well, one last question.

• 1:10:27Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  Has Bear Newcomb tried to make news yet?

• 1:10:29Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Well, not false in points, no. He can nap, though. He can, he can make a functional point.

• 1:10:34Speaker 02

  I've seen him napping.

• 1:10:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:36Speaker 02

  I'm a good napper, too, but not that.

• 1:10:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, on the couch.

• 1:10:38Speaker 05

  Not that kind of napping.

• 1:10:40Speaker 03

  All right, here we go. This is mine right here, and this is, as I so eloquently spoke to my friend Corey Calkins about it. He said, "What you bringing for show and tell?" And I said, "An elk fang." And he said, "Is that anything like an elk ivory?" I'm like, "Yeah, or that, you can call it that, too." But this is, this is exactly what this is, and this was from my first one and only elk that I killed in 2011. And there is a crazy story about how all that came down. First, I'm gonna show you the video, and I'm gonna tell you what's going on.

• 1:11:15Speaker 05

  Oh, we get the video?

• 1:11:15Speaker 03

  This is the video.

• 1:11:16Speaker 02

  Not a film?

• 1:11:18Speaker 03

  From 2011.

• 1:11:19Speaker 05

  This is not a film.

• 1:11:20Speaker 03

  Listen.

• 1:11:27Speaker 07

  Oh, this is good.

• 1:11:29Speaker 02

  Did you ever score this bull?

• 1:11:31Speaker 03

  Yep, he was two inches off Pope and Young.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  He wouldn't have said that, we could have had a little friendly conversation.

• 1:11:37Speaker 03

  Listen, listen, listen.

• 1:11:44Speaker 03

  Can you pause it right there?

• 1:11:45Speaker 02

  Seems like a good time to take a shot.

• 1:11:47Speaker 03

  Now, did y'all hear that click, that audible click?

• 1:11:49Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:11:49Speaker 03

  Did you hear that?

• 1:11:50Speaker 02

  Oh, no, I just heard the bugle.

• 1:11:52Speaker 05

  Well, he, he like hap- he like three quarter bugled and then got spooked by something.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  It looks like he was looking right at you for something.

• 1:11:57Speaker 03

  For the folks that can't, they, they can't see this, this, this bull's walked into a watering hole and from where he's at right there, he is nineteen yards away from me broadside.

• 1:12:08Speaker 02

  You're not being a blind?

• 1:12:10Speaker 03

  No, we're in the, we're in the open, they got a couple of bushes in front of us. We're on a real steep grade and the cameraman, the guy that's filming is, is sitting right to my front. The way, he just had to sit angled in front of me instead of behind me because of where we were. And when that elk walked up there and was drinking, and when they started bugling, my, my guy, the guy I was hu- uh, hunting with said, if, when he starts bugling, go ahead and, and pull back. Said, lots of times they won't see you. Now, whether or not that's true or not, I don't know, I was in a pretty good spot. But, he said, he's gonna be occupied, so get your bow back. Well, I was holding that bow and I, I was holding the arrow onto the arrow wrist with my left hand. I had my index finger over the top of that arrow.

• 1:12:53Speaker 03

  And I pulled that bow back so fast, I pulled the string out of the knock. So the arrow was just sta- sitting on there.

• 1:13:00Speaker 05

  The knock out of the arrow?

• 1:13:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And, and no, I, I just pulled the string out of the knock. It's, the arrow was intact. And I turned loose with my finger because I went crazy and lost my mind and thought that would help. And that arrow, that audible click you hear is that arrow falling off and hitting the riser. And it's hung in my- In the arrow rest. And if you can turn the audio up loud, you can hear me say, talk to the cameraman who can't see it because he's partially in front of me. And looking at the camera, I can't shoot him. And he's like, why not? I said, I, my arrow come off my string. And he says, put it back on. I said, I can't. He said, why not? And he turned and looked and he saw me at full draw with a blank.

• 1:13:45Speaker 03

  And that arrow hanging off and he reached and grabbed that arrow with his left hand and stuck it back on there. Hmm. And what, while he's filming. And that bull just stared at you. And you're gonna watch what happens. Another bull saved us. Oh wow. Okay, so we've gone back. Listen for the clip.

• 1:14:00Speaker 06

  I went back a few seconds.

• 1:14:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:12Speaker 03

  Uh oh. Now I'm holding, I'm at full draw, holding a blank right there.

• 1:14:18Speaker 03

  That bull saved my hunt right there. Cause he took his attention off you. Took his attention off. Yeah. Oh, it did. He, he fully gave it up, didn't he? Now, he's starting, this is when, when the arrow thing's going on because you see the camera guy's not following, following the bull. Now bam, he's right there. Now we're talking, how far is he? Is he forty five?

• 1:14:41Speaker 02

  Twenty five now.

• 1:14:42Speaker 03

  He's like. Yeah, thirty something. He's like forty right there, but I had measured, I had ranged a stick up there at fifty yards and you'll see it.

• 1:14:52Speaker 03

  Right there.

• 1:14:53Speaker 02

  Yep, that stick was fifty, huh?

• 1:14:55Speaker 08

  Getting away.

• 1:14:56Speaker 03

  Did you, did your mouth bleed at him? Yep.

• 1:15:01Speaker 03

  Oh. That'll do it. It was, he was at fifty yards. Oh, let's see, Brent Reeves in two thousand and eleven.

• 1:15:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:10Speaker 03

  Oh, look at that.

• 1:15:11Speaker 08

  Young buck.

• 1:15:12Speaker 03

  Beardless. Oh my goodness.

• 1:15:16Speaker 03

  All about to lose my mind.

• 1:15:18Speaker 02

  He was holding his breath the entire time, like, bye.

• 1:15:22Speaker 03

  Just. Yep.

• 1:15:25Speaker 03

  There he is. That was 70 yards from where I was sitting.

• 1:15:28Speaker 05

  Oh, man, that's awesome. Incredible.

• 1:15:32Speaker 03

  Yep, it was great. He, uh, that arrow hit left, uh, hit liver, left lung, and you could have not more center punched his heart than that arrow did.

• 1:15:43Speaker 05

  That was a heck of a shot. Beautiful.

• 1:15:45Speaker 03

  It was, it was fun. A crazy deal. A crazy experience. One I'm ready to do again sometime. All right, boys, uh.

• 1:15:53Speaker 06

  Do one more quick round of feedback here?

• 1:15:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

• 1:15:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, sounds good. Uh, let's see here. Mark, I can't speak to this, maybe you can. Kevin says, "Have you been up north near Gaylord and seen the forest devastation? How do you think this will impact deer hunting?"

• 1:16:07Speaker 05

  Hmm, sorry, I've not been up there.

• 1:16:08Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:16:09Speaker 02

  What are you even talking about? Those, uh, storms that come through? Must be.

• 1:16:13Speaker 05

  Must be.

• 1:16:15Speaker 02

  Well, I'll answer for Mark. Kevin, I think it's gonna be great for the deer hunting. It's gonna make it thick and woolly in there and, uh.

• 1:16:21Speaker 05

  Disturbance.

• 1:16:22Speaker 02

  Disturbance is always a good thing, so don't look at it. It looks bad to your eyes, which is why you're calling it devastation, but, uh, in all honesty, it's probably gonna be great for not just deer.

• 1:16:32Speaker 05

  Mother Nature calls it a Tuesday.

• 1:16:34Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:16:35Speaker 06

  Chase asks, he says, "Clay Brent, my buddy is on day three of getting his butt whooped in the land between the lakes, Kentucky. Any tips on how to bag one of those southern deep woods thunder chickens?"

• 1:16:45Speaker 03

  Man, you gotta hang on. From, from that latitude, I've been talking to folks, Clay's been talking to folks, the, the hens are starting to get away from them up there. So just, if he's on turkeys, just hang in there with them. Eventually, you're gonna catch one by yourself.

• 1:17:00Speaker 05

  Run all day. I think guys, if they go out and they don't hear birds and they're like, "Man, it's not that, you know, they're not really doing it."

• 1:17:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, if you can run all day, stay with them.

• 1:17:09Speaker 05

  I think it is there. I think it is there. I mean, uh, I heard some guys killing birds late in the evening that didn't gobble in the morning.

• 1:17:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, now me and Reed got on one the other day at 10:20 in the morning. Normally, you hear a turkey gobble at 10:20. He's going, he's gonna get to riding the truck. It didn't happen because of the hen situation, but I would just say you just gotta hang in there.

• 1:17:32Speaker 06

  Cool. Uh, Lane says, Phil, you gotta address the Dude Wipes conspiracy in the Q and A portion. Um, if you guys don't know, people think that I sound like the guy who sings the Dude Wipes jingle that's that interrupts all of these shows every single week. Uh, I legally cannot say. I will say that when I want to feel a little more fresh down there, I only reach for one product. What product is that? I can't say. Dude Wipes, send Meat Eater some money, maybe a sponsorship, and I will be able to say. Uh, Mogul says, Clay, how's your book coming along? When can we get a sneak peek?

• 1:18:05Speaker 05

  Oh, man. The book, we're in hot pursuit of a great book on the American black bear. I mean, we're like in the heart of it and but it's still, it's still ways out. Uh, I mean, as far as the sneak peek, um, I'm gonna be dropping a few nuggets here and there, but, uh, yeah, thanks for asking.

• 1:18:25Speaker 03

  No official timeline yet.

• 1:18:26Speaker 05

  No official, well, no, yeah, that's right.

• 1:18:29Speaker 03

  On the nuggets.

• 1:18:30Speaker 05

  On the nuggets. That's right. Yeah. It's coming along good, though.

• 1:18:34Speaker 02

  We got a little nugget last night at dinner. It was very interesting.

• 1:18:38Speaker 05

  About put Mark to sleep.

• 1:18:39Speaker 02

  No, come on.

• 1:18:41Speaker 03

  Somebody asking about the wash your toes?

• 1:18:44Speaker 05

  No, I'd be glad to, I'd be glad to recount that.

• 1:18:47Speaker 03

  No, no, what's next, Phil?

• 1:18:49Speaker 06

  Uh, I'll field this one for Jordan Sellers, because we've had a few questions about his awesome, uh, hunting cold case episode that we dropped earlier. Um, there are no concrete plans, but we loved it. Listeners seemed to love it. It was really well done. So, um, I can almost guarantee that there will be some in the future. We just do not know when, but, um, send Jordan your love on Instagram or something.

• 1:19:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'd like to add that I had very little to do with that. Jordan did that from the ground up and did an absolute excellent job. It was really, really good. Research was awesome. The way he presented it was good, and I was, I was really proud of how that turned out.

• 1:19:26Speaker 06

  A question from Mark from Keith. Last year, I snort wheezed in three mature bucks. None gave me a good shot opportunity. I'm considering getting a decoy. Should I go with a buck or doe?

• 1:19:36Speaker 04

  Personally, I'd go with a buck. I think in that kind of case where you're having success getting bucks interested in the snort weeds, that means there's a lot of competition in the area. Those bucks are riled up. They want to take on their competition and they just need to see, you know, just like turkey hunting. They need that final thing to get them to commit into shooting range and a buck would likely be the thing that would do that. I think in most cases, a buck decoy is the better option and it's a lot of fun watching a buck come into a buck decoy circling in all bristled up and ornery.

• 1:20:09Speaker 03

  Ears laid back.

• 1:20:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, hard to beat that.

• 1:20:13Speaker 06

  Favorite off-season outdoor activities besides fishing?

• 1:20:17Speaker 04

  Is there anything?

• 1:20:18Speaker 06

  Any other hobbies? Riding mules. Macrame.

• 1:20:23Speaker 03

  A coon hunt year round. Oh, I'm a dance dad. Proud dance dad. I do that a lot this time of year as a matter of fact.

• 1:20:30Speaker 04

  Camping, hiking, backpacking. That's our thing.

• 1:20:35Speaker 06

  Cool. Uh, you know what? I think that was a pretty good show. What do you guys think?

• 1:20:39Speaker 03

  Awesome. Hey, Mark, Claybo, Yanni, thanks for trespassing. Phil, Cory, this was a good deal, a good time. And I appreciate everybody watching. Y'all be tuning in next week when somebody will be hosting. They won't be nearly as handsome as me. And probably.

• 1:20:56Speaker 04

  Good times.

• 1:20:57Speaker 06

  Nevermind, nevermind, nevermind.

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