The Mercedes GTD? Luxury Cars Falling

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:43Matt Farah?

  offtherecord.com/tst. That code, link code, will give you 10% off all legal services booked through Off the Record. We love these folks. They're always looking out for us. They'll look out for you, too. On this episode of the podcast, the luxury car market is in trouble. Law firms are sharing studies about cars with me, sometimes to interesting results. And Mercedes has come out with a Mustang GTD. It's the Smoke and Tire Podcast. Let's go. This is what happens, Larry.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  I can jack it in post, yeah.

• 1:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You can jack me up, jack me off, whatever you can do in post.

• 1:23Speaker 01

  Adobe handles the former, so I have plenty of time to handle the latter.

• 1:26Matt Farah?

  Adobe does the former, and Grok does the latter.

• 1:32Matt Farah?

  Did you see the, dude, the stories about this Musk documentary? They're coming and seem...

• 1:37Speaker 01

  I bet it's gonna be an uplifting movie.

• 1:39Matt Farah?

  Seems spicy.

• 1:41Speaker 01

  Talk about movies you can watch while jacking off.

• 1:44Matt Farah?

  Jacking off for the end of the world. I actually DM'd Gil Duran, the article of,

• 1:53Matt Farah?

  the author of the, of the book I just read, to see if he will come on the podcast. I have not heard back yet, but it's only been like two hours, and it doesn't seem like he's a voracious Instagram user, anyway.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 2:04Matt Farah?

  Like, it seems like he might have even just made that Instagram account for the book. Like, it's pretty much all book. But anyway, there are things. The upcoming thing, the upcoming things are, if you're in Miami, if you don't recall, or South Florida, there's this thing called the Time to Drive Festival. It's the first weekend in November, or it's November like 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th. Zach and I are going. We're doing a live show. I'm also moderating a panel chat with the racing driver. What did I say?

• 2:35Speaker 01

  Moderating.

• 2:36Matt Farah?

  Moderating? Moderating? I'm also, I'm moderating. It's, it's where I, I get on stage and just act like an otter, but I'm mad. So moderating a panel chat with racing driver Felipe Nasser.

• 2:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he's, he's been around. He's OG of, of racing. And also, I'm doing, whatever their, like, track thing is being called before the event, and Zach and I are hanging, I booked us the Audi RS E-tron GT Performance, which we haven't driven an E-tron since the launch, right?

• 3:15Speaker 01

  Wow, is that true? We went to that airport?

• 3:18Matt Farah?

  The launch was the last...

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Like, Palmdale, and we got to drive two of them. Whoa.

• 3:23Matt Farah?

  That was like, the last time we drove them, yeah, when it came out. Not a bad car. I mean, they're, I'm sure the performance is cool.

• 3:31Matt Farah?

  Oh, I think it has active ride. It may have active ride.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  It's got hand-me-downs.

• 3:36Matt Farah?

  Which is, yeah, yeah, which is pretty kick-ass. And I asked the homie at Audi, like, what's up with the South Florida charging infrastructure, by the way? And he sent back, quote, "Clean coal."

• 3:52Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 3:53Matt Farah?

  So, I haven't done scientific research on their actual grid, but I, what, what, just real quick, what powers Florida's energy infrastructure? It's prob, I mean, they got a lot of sun down there, right? They got a lot of open space and sun. They should have some solar going, probably, right? A wind farm or two? DeSantis not about that?

• 4:14Speaker 01

  Let me, it looks like there's natural gas, which there is, probably a bunch of them, as always.

• 4:19Matt Farah?

  Bunch of things. Bunch of things. Either way, we're gonna see what EV life is like in South Florida. Should be fine.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Cool. I'm excited to try that active ride. I never dri, never experienced it.

• 4:31Matt Farah?

  Nothing?

• 4:32Speaker 01

  You went on the launch, and then, I don't know if we had a press card?

• 4:36Matt Farah?

  Yes, we had the eggplant, the, their violet, or li, like, the purple turbo, turbo...

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Oh, that's right, okay. That had it. That was the Canyon Drive.

• 4:46Matt Farah?

  That had it.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:48Matt Farah?

  But it's...

• 4:48Speaker 01

  I'd like to try it again.

• 4:50Matt Farah?

  It's awesome. Once you use it, it's hard to go back. It makes everything like, great.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. The helicopter flare is weird. Like, it makes sense, but it is unsettling. You know, for, as someone who's been 30 years, you know, you decelerate and the car leans forward, all of a sudden, it sits back.

• 5:07Matt Farah?

  But do you think, if you were a passenger in a car, and I didn't tell you that I had turned it on, you would be like, wait a minute, what's going on?

• 5:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 5:15Matt Farah?

  You would?

• 5:16Speaker 01

  For sure. Because it's just completely unnatural to every other car I've been in. But then, if you explain what's going on, I would go, oh, and then I would assess it, and it probably feels better.

• 5:25Matt Farah?

  I'd put Hannah in the car, didn't tell her what was going on. And she found it to be very pleasant.

• 5:32Speaker 01

  Your eyebrows are doing a lot right now.

• 5:35Matt Farah?

  My eyebrows are doing a lot? My eyebrows?

• 5:39Speaker 01

  Hannah found it to be very pleasant.

• 5:40Matt Farah?

  Oh, yes.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Pregnant pause, like, whoa. I mean, it's good. The suspension's good, but...

• 5:46Matt Farah?

  As in, to me, like, I engaged the lane centering, and we banged in the backseat.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Right, you truly are a Porsche family now.

• 5:56Matt Farah?

  I have never had sex in a Porsche. But, and I should, because of the added crazy people.

• 6:02Speaker 01

  Sex in a car is kinda difficult. Like, I had to be a much more limber individual for a lot of that stuff.

• 6:11Matt Farah?

  Some real high school shit, honestly.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely stopped after high school.

• 6:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you definitely did not fuck in my Ford Focus.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Technically next to it.

• 6:18Matt Farah?

  Technically adjacent. I, I'm not sure, I, I'm not sure the last vehicle I banged in, but it was, it was a long time ago. Just like the Porsche ad in Crazy People. In Crazy People, it's the new nine, the new Porsche. It's too small to get laid in, but you get laid the second you get out. That's the ad.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  I gotta watch that movie.

• 6:42Matt Farah?

  It's the ad, the best one-liners of all time. We should sell a Jaguar handjob tear-off, by the way.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:49Matt Farah?

  Add that to, that could be our, our, our low-end swag for the live shows.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 6:57Matt Farah?

  Because we're trying to do, like, you know, so, so there's something for everybody, not just one tier of merch.

• 7:02Speaker 01

  It could just be like, like a fist with a Jaguar tattoo, and then, you know, if you know, you know, below it, like...

• 7:11Matt Farah?

  I bought this watch from Nick from DC Vintage Watches. I mean, I didn't, I bought it from DC Vintage Watches, but Nick, who runs that joint, you know, he's like an ex, like, fucking spook. He's like a government employee, like, you know, Foreign Service, and, and he hangs out with fucking spooks. That's, that's what he does. And, and ex-spooks. There's a lot of ex-spooks in watches, by the way.

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 7:36Matt Farah?

  And, and he has these, you know, there's these iconic Rolex ads from like, the 60s, that were like, if you were racing at the Monaco Grand Prix tomorrow, you'd be wearing a Rolex, and have like, you know, Jackie Stewart, or whoever. And it would be like, if you were, you know, diving to the Titanic tomorrow, you know, and have James Cameron, you'd be wearing a Rolex. Like, you know, if you were doing this dope thing, you'd be wearing a Rolex. And he gave me, click on, go to the, of the picture of this watch, and go slide one, one over, because he...

• 8:08Speaker 01

  Wait, all right, I'll let you finish your story. Okay, continue. No, no, continue.

• 8:12Matt Farah?

  No, that's just... What?

• 8:16Speaker 01

  When you, a week ago, you were like, I sold a bunch of watches, I had a, you know, a bunch of things.

• 8:21Matt Farah?

  Don't worry about this.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  I know, but I was like, what are you gonna get with it? You're like, no, I got all these project cars and stuff, and now I look at it, and the post is five out, one in.

• 8:29Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. That's, that's car math. That's good math. That's good math. That's minus four.

• 8:35Speaker 01

  I know, it was just so funny. Anyway, continue your story.

• 8:37Matt Farah?

  And actually, I sold the sixth one after writing this post. So it's five out, it's, it's six out, one in. Just go, click over to one, one photo left, or to the right in this, because he makes these Seiko versions of this, which are basically like...

• 8:54Speaker 01

  That's really funny.

• 8:55Matt Farah?

  If you were doing, which are based in like, truth, by the way. It's like, if you were doing like, shady military shit in Far East Asia...

• 9:05Speaker 01

  I mean, if you're listening, there's a picture in the caption, is, if you were surreptitiously reconning Laos and Cambodia tomorrow, you'd wear a Seiko. And then there's a picture of a Seiko with Max, Max Sock.

• 9:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no. You know what I mean? Like, and these are stickers, and I'm, I'm, he's, he has, I have a whole stack of these. I got a whole bunch. Of like...

• 9:25Speaker 01

  One of our good friends wants one of these. I'm telling you right now.

• 9:28Matt Farah?

  If you were doing war crimes tomorrow, like, you'd be wearing a Seiko.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  We have to give one of these stickers to, I'll tell you who afterwards.

• 9:35Matt Farah?

  It's awesome. Shout out to DC Vintage Watches for a great, uh, subversive campaign.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:44Matt Farah?

  Love it. I love the watch. SKX007, great watch. This is from the 90s. It's like, brand fucking new.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 9:52Matt Farah?

  Love it. These are the, these, in terms of, for value for money, these are hundreds, not thousands of dollars, and they are the shit.

• 10:00Speaker 01

  Okay. How many Sekos do you have now?

• 10:05Matt Farah?

  Regular Secos, not Grand Secos?

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's kind of both. They come from the same company.

• 10:09Matt Farah?

  Grand Secos, I have one, two, three, four. One, two, four. But I'm an ambassador for Grand Secos. That's, you know, one of each kind of movement I have, which is cool. Regular Secos, I have only this one. That's the last, last regular Seco left. All the other ones are gone. Hannah has two. I think that's an okay number of Secos.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  I have no idea. No further questions. I was just curious.

• 10:42Matt Farah?

  I'm net minus five for the week.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's good. That is very good.

• 10:48Matt Farah?

  And I didn't spend all the money. I'm not gonna spend all the money.

• 10:52Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't care what you do with your money, unless you're embezzling tons from the company. I was like, wait a minute. My memory sucks, but I'm pretty sure last week I was like, what are you gonna spend the money on? You're like, no, I got all this car.

• 11:03Matt Farah?

  Secos are great because like, they're durable, their design is great, you know, they keep good time, they're a vertically integrated company, like, there's a lot of cool shit about Seco. And if you have, this will sound a little bit out of touch, but if you have a little bit of money, and you like watches, they make great, like, impulse buys. Because they're cheap, you know, compared to other stuff, and if you, you know, they're interesting. And they're on, you know, I could go from this to a watch that costs 20 times the cost of this, and that's a lateral move for me.

• 11:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:38Matt Farah?

  You know, so, I like it. And because of Carl, I went heavy into Turtles. That was Carl influence. As it turns out, I like this version. It's basically the same watch, but just a slightly different shape, and blah, blah, blah. I like it.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm not as into the turtle shape.

• 11:53Matt Farah?

  This is better than the turtle.

• 11:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:55Matt Farah?

  I think. The SKX. And they discontinued it in 2019. So, the watch craze of Instagram COVID, and the discontinuing of these as shit started to get to, these like, became like $1,500 for a few years. And now, now they're not anymore. They've settled.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  The watch index settled a lot.

• 12:13Matt Farah?

  But finding, like, you know, people mod them, and, you know, people keep them for a long time. So finding like, essentially, brand-new-in-the-box one from 35 years ago is pretty rad.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  I really like the buy a $300, you know, $300 watch, and then mod it with somebody for a couple hundred, and then it will, it's yours, totally unique, and way more special than getting a $1,000 watch.

• 12:34Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  That a lot of people have.

• 12:36Matt Farah?

  As long as, you know, you have a good person to do the work, and, you know, you have a cohesive idea for what the finished product is. I've seen some where I'm like, oh, God.

• 12:49Speaker 01

  I mean, true, but if the owner likes it and loves it, even if they have, let's say, bad, like, I am very restrained in my taste, so, go for it, you know, get weird.

• 12:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you know, uh, yeah, yeah. And I'm not gonna say to your face that I don't like your fucking watch, if you customize your watch, but like, you know, some, it's like, uh, like Singer, less the Louis Vuitton things.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  Blue tires, wheels.

• 13:11Matt Farah?

  You need to know when to stop.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:13Matt Farah?

  And even...

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Or the one over there that has only one thing.

• 13:18Matt Farah?

  They should've said no. They should've said no to them there. Um, alright, so, yeah, then, uh, and then, I got this, I'm gonna be doing probably like, 1,200 miles, I think, in this supercharged dark horse. Folks, you know where my favorite place is outside of the driver's seat of my Demand Spider? That's right, bed. You know, you get that long day, you're always running around, maybe you're a little sweaty, maybe you're tired, and what do you need? Curl up in bed. Maybe you got a couple of kittens, maybe you got a pup, maybe you got a partner, wife, something to keep you warm? I like to keep cool. That's why I'm about that Casper with the snow technology. We'll come back to the snow technology.

• 14:01Matt Farah?

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• 14:44Matt Farah?

  And Casper has their 100-night risk-free trial, so you can give Casper's mattress a try, risk-free, although with 110,000 5-star reviews, I'm sure you're gonna love it like I do. When I slept on my Casper mattress last night, I had three cats. Three cats. And the snow technology is better for attracting the cats. So if you want to sleep in bed with your pets, the snow technology is what's up. But Casper does offer a wide range of mattress types, so whether you like it firm, soft, or somewhere in between, there's something for you at casper.com. The day always ends well with Casper, and right now, you can save up to 20% on mattresses

• 15:29Matt Farah?

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• 16:12Matt Farah?

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• 16:55Matt Farah?

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• 17:35Matt Farah?

  in Canada and the UK, too. That's quince.com/tire, Q-U-I-N-C-E.com/tire. And now, back to the show. It's a lot of mile.

• 17:47Speaker 01

  Wow. That's cool.

• 17:48Matt Farah?

  That Tempur-Pedic pillow.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  You're gonna get eight miles per gallon. I mean, who cares?

• 17:52Matt Farah?

  Someone else's eight miles per gallon.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  Oh, I know. It's just gonna be a nice sounding...

• 17:55Matt Farah?

  William Randolph Hearst's Descendants, eight miles per gallon. Thank you very much. But that's gonna be a good one. I don't think, I don't think we've actually announced that there will be a New England trip yet, so maybe I'm speaking out of turn, but guess what? There'll be a New England trip. Because leaves are pretty.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  They're pretty, yeah.

• 18:13Matt Farah?

  As it turns out. And there's places we've wanted to go up there.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  Oh, you guys are going to Palmer Motorsports Park?

• 18:19Matt Farah?

  Uh, that is not the facility we are using.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  Okay. Um... Oh, I bet I know where you're going.

• 18:27Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, I don't wanna say where we're going yet. We're going somewhere cool. It's not that, though. But I do love that track. It's on the wrong side of the, like, we're not even, none of the trip is in Massachusetts, and that track is in Massachusetts, like, so it would very much change the trajectory of the entire trip.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:48Matt Farah?

  So, it's all north of Massachusetts. Um, yeah. Did you say you had news? Because I had, I do have a funny thing for today.

• 18:55Speaker 01

  I want to show you a thing, and then I want you to just...

• 18:58Matt Farah?

  Is it better than surreptitiously running Laos and Cambodia?

• 19:02Speaker 01

  Uh, it's probably less divisive. Um, uh, this is like a Rorschach test. I'm gonna show you something, and I want you to just tell me the first thought that comes to your mind, okay?

• 19:11Matt Farah?

  Okay. Now, it's gonna be Henry Kissinger. No.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  Oh, wait, let me make sure I have the photo up here.

• 19:19Matt Farah?

  Cue, cue the photo.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  And what do you...

• 19:22Matt Farah?

  The C60, oh!

• 19:24Speaker 01

  What comes to your mind?

• 19:25Matt Farah?

  Oh, my gosh. Did... What's happened here? Did Mercedes buy Mansory?

• 19:34Speaker 01

  This is the Merstang. I'm calling it. I'm calling it the Merstang. A lot of people online are calling it the Mercedes GTD, uh, which definitely makes sense with the fender vents here.

• 19:44Matt Farah?

  Oh, wait, let me see. Can, do we have another angle? It doesn't, it doesn't look as, oh, this, alright, so from the very, we were looking quite more forward, and it wasn't quite as GTD'd. Um, from a rear three-quarter, I bet this is extremely GTD'd. That's really funny. Um, it's funny that there, is those the wheels? Those wheels look exactly like the GTDs. Those look a lot like the Ford wheels.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  They do?

• 20:13Matt Farah?

  They really do. I mean, not exactly. It's not, it's not, it's not outright, but...

• 20:20Speaker 01

  Oh, holy...

• 20:22Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean?

• 20:22Speaker 01

  I mean, I forgot, and now you've...

• 20:24Matt Farah?

  Have I just reminded you that in fact, they do look exactly like the Ford's wheels?

• 20:28Speaker 01

  Holy crap.

• 20:30Matt Farah?

  Um, I thought they looked kinda like the Ford's wheels, but I haven't looked at a photo of that or seen one in a little bit, but I'm sure Zach will hit us with the back-to-back just, in just a minute. Um, it's funny, though, that this is a formula. Holy shit, they, when you look at them again, they're really the same, aren't they?

• 20:50Speaker 01

  Wow, come on.

• 20:52Matt Farah?

  Do you think some kind of like machine learning system just like spat out the optimized, you know, magnesium wheel design?

• 21:04Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 21:04Matt Farah?

  And this is it?

• 21:05Speaker 01

  I think that's a great theory because for people who are listening, like the GTD wheel is, was it six spoke?

• 21:11Matt Farah?

  It's a five spoke, but it's a

• 21:13Speaker 01

  It's very

• 21:13Matt Farah?

  Oh wait, one, two.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  It's five.

• 21:15Matt Farah?

  It's five, but it's five like big meaty, five double spokes.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  Five double spokes, a lot of like, uh, very angular wheel, right? There's, there's no real smooth shapes to it and there's a lot of, I call it lattice structure.

• 21:28Matt Farah?

  That's a great word.

• 21:29Speaker 01

  It's like a split spoke and then it splits again so that the force is kind of distributed evenly around the wheel probably, right?

• 21:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  And you go, we go over to the, the new C63 wheel. Very, it's almost like an inverse version of that, but it's very similar, a lot of lattice. And look at this, it's actually

• 21:45Matt Farah?

  It's got the hollow spokes like Porsche.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:47Matt Farah?

  That's the Porsche magnesium wheel thing where the spokes are, are, are cut both directions, which is really cool. I mean, it's, it is awesome.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  It's very cool.

• 21:55Matt Farah?

  You get a shitload of airflow and they're very light, but it's like if you'd made, took the GTD's wheels and just made them like not Y out in the outer parts. And they would look like this.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  It's actually, the Y's are kind of, it's like it's a mirror image.

• 22:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  It starts with a Y at the hub and then actually gets a little bit narrower. Um, but this is, uh, they're calling it the AMG CLE 646. It is rear wheel drive and it does have a V8. So this is sort of the apology letter maybe for the C63 AMG.

• 22:28Matt Farah?

  And it's gonna be $800,000 and you could have a V8 if you're a billionaire. That's, that's what we're doing.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  That might be what it is. Uh, 585 horsepower and, oh wait, no, sorry. I'm confusing with something else.

• 22:42Matt Farah?

  That seems low, doesn't it?

• 22:43Speaker 01

  No, no, this is, um, this is gonna have 646.

• 22:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's the

• 22:47Speaker 01

  Four liter V8.

• 22:48Matt Farah?

  That's the number, yeah.

• 22:48Speaker 01

  Rear wheel drive, blah, blah, blah.

• 22:51Matt Farah?

  I'll tell you what, I do like, look at these seats. Look at that photo of the seats. They really, that, there's no way them are coming to America. Those seats really give me like, uh, CLK GT-R vibes.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  Well, it's a six point belt. I mean, in a press photo, it's a six point belt with an appropriate racing seat. So yeah.

• 23:08Matt Farah?

  They're only making, yeah, they're making 30.

• 23:09Speaker 01

  Total carbon.

• 23:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Okay. So it's not really a car. I mean, it's 30. 30 is not a, that's not a, that's not a consequential product.

• 23:17Speaker 01

  It's almost not even, it's like when, you know, some of the hypercar companies will say like fastest production car record of da, da, da. I go, you're making 10.

• 23:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  Are you producing more than one? Yes. But the definition of production car is very generous.

• 23:32Matt Farah?

  I feel like you need to have like an assembly line.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree. And

• 23:37Matt Farah?

  You can't, I can't, if you build the car start to finish in one room.

• 23:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:42Matt Farah?

  That's not, that's not a production car.

• 23:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, you know, it gets slippery, but like it is, it's a weird thing when they make so few of them and that, and that, that car is competing for the same record as like a Corvette ZR1, which is made on a production line and they're gonna make a thousand or 5,000 of them or whatever. Um, but yeah, nine speed multi-clutch and it's gonna have all the goodies from Mercedes as usual, but, um, let's see. This is 400 kilograms heavier than a 911 GT3, slightly lighter than, uh,

• 24:12Matt Farah?

  It's still probably lighter than the Mustang.

• 24:14Speaker 01

  It is. They, they say it's 350 pounds lighter than a Mustang.

• 24:18Matt Farah?

  But it's also 200 less horsepower.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  That's true. Um, smaller engine, so it might have better balance. I mean, four liter versus like the giant Mustang engine and obviously it's track focused, blah, blah, blah. But

• 24:31Matt Farah?

  Of course. It's, it's, but street legal, track focused, but street legal.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:35Matt Farah?

  Interesting. Um, well, like, look, I don't, I don't hate it generally, but saying that it looks an awful lot like a Mustang GT is pretty spot on.

• 24:45Speaker 01

  It has a lot of the elements.

• 24:47Matt Farah?

  So the new GTD, it has the nose of the old Shelby. It has the nose of the 2020 GT500 and the rest of it is GTD.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  That's true. Yeah.

• 24:59Matt Farah?

  That, that octagonal or hexagonal, hexagonal.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Mouth, right.

• 25:03Matt Farah?

  The hexagonal mouth. Pull up a 20, a 2020 GT500 from the front. That's, there's your hexagonal mouth. So it's got the mouth of the, of the old Shelby and then the rest of the car is GTD.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Cause the GTD went back to like the double slits.

• 25:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  You know, everything's a little bit more scowly. Um,

• 25:24Matt Farah?

  That's funny.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  You know, but it's just, I looked at it and with the hoods, like the hood scoop looks very, uh, charger shaped.

• 25:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Like, there's just some interesting shapes to the whole thing. What a big car. And that's just the nature of the thing, but, um,

• 25:40Matt Farah?

  I, I bet it will drive nice.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  I bet it'll be great.

• 25:43Matt Farah?

  It'll be a good time.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  I mean, their team knows how to make a good car dynamically when they're given the, the room to do so.

• 25:50Matt Farah?

  Uh, it's too bad.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  Traditional wing though, not the, uh, swan neck like the

• 25:54Matt Farah?

  Is it not? It does, it's not, oh no, it is a traditional wing. How about that? Ew, it says limited one of 30 on the wing. God, I hope that's the press car. If I spent all that money and it said that on the wing, ew.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  Well, you can do the decal delete.

• 26:10Matt Farah?

  That is

• 26:10Speaker 01

  The extra $200.

• 26:11Matt Farah?

  Terrible. They, you know what?

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Some people like that stuff.

• 26:15Matt Farah?

  People are gonna go, I'm gonna spend $650,000 on this and it looks like I, I had, you know, a tuner shop do it.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  Well, uh, Ramaz was showing off one of the Turbions and they all say like one of 250 in the door, but they don't say the production number because he was like, no owner wants to have the middling one. So they all say one of.

• 26:34Matt Farah?

  That's so lame.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  It's, I think that's very clever though. You, I bet you had so many phone calls like, I want the first one. And they go, everyone can't have the first one, but if you just say one of instead of, I have number 62.

• 26:45Matt Farah?

  I know, but it's just, it's lame.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  Oh, humans are ridiculous.

• 26:49Matt Farah?

  There is a first one. There is a last one. No, you can't have it.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  And they're all amazing in between. So who cares? They, talk about forest for the trees, like

• 26:59Matt Farah?

  The coddling of these people is crazy. I can't deal with the fact that mine was the 35th one made. Fuck you.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  I mean, when you've, when you've bought a perfect world for yourself, you will be frustrated when it's imperfect. Uh, but anyway, this is a new CLE, uh, rear wheel drive Mercedes with a four liter. So

• 27:21Matt Farah?

  I bet it sounds nice.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Probably, hopefully. Well, particulate filter. So hopefully they can get around that kind of stuff.

• 27:27Matt Farah?

  Is it, you think an S and D show and display?

• 27:32Speaker 01

  I don't know. It'd be, it'd be a great question though, because, you know, the C63 and then AMG GT was really fun. And then they kind of blended it with the SL and now it's a little bit nerfed in my opinion. It's a much heavier car. It's like a good GT car. Maybe this will have a little bit more of that like light agility that the GT used to have.

• 27:49Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  That'd be great.

• 27:50Matt Farah?

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• 32:04Matt Farah?

  I mean, when it's got that, that paint, uh, which, which is a fading ombre, starts silver, moves black, matte finish, and it's doing a burnout in a tunnel.

• 32:18Matt Farah?

  Uh, that really, it takes away the over fender line in the back. It, uh, it makes it look, it does it a lot of favors, is all I'm gonna say.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  That's true. It does have an over fender line, doesn't it?

• 32:29Matt Farah?

  It does have an over fender line.

• 32:31Speaker 01

  Back?

• 32:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That photo, well, that's very low light, but you can see.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, but you can see the paint more clearly.

• 32:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  So it is like a shift.

• 32:39Matt Farah?

  It's a hard edge.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  Color shifting thing. Wow, I didn't notice that before. I thought this was just a shadow, but that's actually, that's just the paint.

• 32:46Matt Farah?

  That is paint, yeah.

• 32:47Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 32:48Matt Farah?

  Alright.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  Neat. So that's that.

• 32:50Matt Farah?

  Okay, so if you're not like in car media, you, you probably don't, um...

• 32:59Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  I thought I heard your name too.

• 33:01Matt Farah?

  I thought someone screamed Matt from outside. It sounded like, but it was not. Um, if you're not in car media, you probably don't know that people like myself get sent, um, these emails that are like, uh, uh, studies done by law firms. Okay? And these law firms, uh, send, send you these studies. Um, and, and, and essentially,

• 33:36Matt Farah?

  just to find, see if you're interested in talking about whatever, uh, the Charger is the most stolen car. Did you know that?

• 33:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:45Matt Farah?

  You know, done by the fucking Zuckerman's Law Firm. Ninety-nine point fucking nine times out of a hundred, these are stupid, right?

• 33:55Speaker 01

  A lot of it is very like consumer focused, uh, in a way that wouldn't be exciting for us to talk to.

• 34:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:02Speaker 01

  Talk about.

• 34:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's all dumb. And so, uh, and so I got one that had some interesting information, actually, that I thought was kind of funny. And it was from, oh my god, and I've gotten so many spam emails since 6:00 AM when I looked at this, that now it's like lost in my email. But essentially, it said, I'll give you, I'll give you the goods, that's really important. This was about, uh, the, the most likely vehicles to be involved in a fatal crash. Now, fatal crash is a, is a big term, right? Like, doesn't necessarily mean the driver died. It could be a pedestrian, or a cyclist, or the other person in the other car. Any accident where someone died.

• 34:46Matt Farah?

  So Tesla's account for only, uh, 0.5% of vehicles involved in fatal crashes. Which is low. But the fatal crash rate of a Tesla is 5.6 per billion miles, which is double the industry average of 2.8. And so basically, i- i- it, a Tesla, in general, out in the world, a Tesla is unlikely to cause a fatal crash because there are not all that many Teslas. And if you leave Los Angeles, there are not that many Teslas, if you go other places.

• 35:28Matt Farah?

  The Model Y, I mean, in the, in the scheme of the whole, all the cars on the road in America, the percentage of Teslas on the road is low. Um, despite the fact that the Model Y has sold very well for a couple of years.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 35:42Matt Farah?

  There's a lot more cars in America than you think about. Anyway. Uh, so, so a Tesla, uh, all the Teslas on the road are less likely to cause lots of fatalities. But a Tesla is twice as luckily, likely to speed, crash, and kill someone, uh, on an order of two compared to the other average cars on the list. Now, there are other elevated brands, like Audi, BMW, um, um, uh, sort of like, the kind of brands that like a 35-year-old stockbroker might buy, or a 25-year-old young executive might buy, um, where, you know,

• 36:25Matt Farah?

  people are stereotypically driving like dickbags, you know? There's a whole memes about BMWs that are.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  I'm sure. Yeah, where M4s land on that list.

• 36:33Matt Farah?

  Right. So they, it's only ma- uh, brand-wide. They weren't, they didn't break it down. So like, uh, it was, uh, it was interesting that like, a Tesla is much more likely to be involved in a fatal collision than a regular car.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Wait, I thought the first thought you said was?

• 36:52Matt Farah?

  Tesla's account for only half a percent of all fatal vehicle crashes.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  Okay, but when you go brand-specific, crashes they're involved in are more likely to be, involve a fatality than other brands of similar sales?

• 37:08Matt Farah?

  No. If you go by, uh, the total number of fatal crashes in the country.

• 37:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:15Matt Farah?

  And then just go, what brands of cars are involved in that? It's only half a percent is Tesla. But if you go by miles traveled, okay? How many deaths, fatal crashes are there per miles driven? Tesla is way at the top.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 37:31Matt Farah?

  Way at the top.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 37:32Matt Farah?

  So basically, it, the miles driven, uh, factors in the fact that Tesla's nationwide are a low percentage of cars. And if you hang out in certain cities, you go, that's insane. That's not a low percentage of cars. And all you gotta do is go to a bunch of other cities.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  We went to Detroit and saw one.

• 37:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:53Speaker 01

  Right?

• 37:54Matt Farah?

  You, there are a bunch of cities where you will go in this country and see a very low percentage of Teslas. And so, uh, nationwide, there are, it's not like there's no Teslas, but there, there's not as many as you think. But, but a Tesla driven more miles is more likely to get into a fatal crash, despite all this other shit.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  You know what's interesting? I just, I was thinking like, well, they were basically the first good, fast EV. There's more of them on the market now, but like Hyundai has a bunch of ICE cars and some EVs. So their sales, it's kind of like, uh, blended in there. But all the cars Tesla sells are very fast.

• 38:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  Their cheapest, slowest car is like 0 to 60 in four and a half seconds. You know, and let's like, put FSD aside. People can drive them and accelerate in a way that most ICE cars can't. So like, the density of their power is much higher than other car companies, even ones that also sell fast EVs. Like, I'm trying to figure out, I wonder what, like, we've said here before, that the Model 3 driver is the new M3 driver.

• 38:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:58Speaker 01

  Like, they drive like assholes. They're very aggressive because they're given all this power and all this acceleration.

• 39:03Matt Farah?

  So I did find the email, so I'll just quote it, I'll, I'll quote it literally. And I'll give it, you know what? The Omega Law Group. I don't know what kind of law they fucking practice. I don't give a shit. But they had a PR for.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  Personal injury, I bet.

• 39:15Matt Farah?

  Probably, right? "Data compiled by the Omega Law Group shows that Tesla appeared in just 206 of 56,011 vehicles involved in fatal crashes in 2024. Uh, nearly 0.37 of the total, and 27th by raw volume. A separate mileage-adjusted study by IC Cars found that Tesla's fatal crash rate at 5.6 per billion estimated vehicle miles is twice the study-wide average of 2.8 and the highest of any brand tested."

• 39:52Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 39:52Matt Farah?

  So you're more, you're the most likely to be involved in a fatal cl- crash in a Tesla of any other brand. Twice the average. Uh, that's using data from 2018 to 2022 alongside, uh, the 2024 National Crash Data Set, weighing raw crash involvement against mileage-adjusted rates. Um, fun other facts.

• 40:16Matt Farah?

  For 2020 model vehicles, recorded zero observed driver deaths during the study. The X3 BMW four-wheel drive, Lexus ES350, Mercedes E-Class sedan four-wheel drive, and Nissan Pathfinder two-wheel drive.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Too slow.

• 40:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, right? Um, and also, um, drinking is really, like, one in three fatalities across the board have like drinking.

• 40:45Speaker 01

  Sure, that makes sense.

• 40:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, but I thought, I thought the disparity between those two numbers was.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:54Matt Farah?

  Was very interesting. And, and the fact that, you know, all this, all this fucking tech, and, you know, it's supposedly under the guise of safety, but actually, maybe not so much?

• 41:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. I wish they could get more granular and, and figure out, you know, how many crashes, like, speed's a factor, or did drivers report they were using autopilot, but then of course Tesla says they disengage, like, because they do have two things working against them. There's speed, and then there's also this purported safer technology that people rely on.

• 41:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  And when it goes wrong, it really goes wrong.

• 41:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you're the degradation of your, you're paying attention, you know? Fucking, I, there was a guy clearly FSDing through my neighborhood yesterday, as Hannah and I were walking, whose phone was like this. He was sitting in his car, in his fucking Model 3, going through, and like, just this. And I was like, I'm gonna fucking throw a rock through your windshield, dude.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  I've seen, and I've seen once, but like anecdotal, like, someone driving, I think, like a Kia SUV, same thing. It was like one hand with like Radar Cruise, but her phone was so close, you know, blocking most of the windshield. People are crazy.

• 42:07Matt Farah?

  That's just nuts, dude, isn't it?

• 42:11Matt Farah?

  Riding, I'm riding the Vespa around. I think, I think you, you gotta be, you gotta be real aware in this bucket, in this town to be on, be on two wheels.

• 42:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:22Matt Farah?

  And it's been really hot out and I've had to run errands and stuff all over town and I, the last couple of days I have seen some shit, let's just say. People, people driving like insanely aggressively in this heat, really, really being dipshits, really being dipshits.

• 42:40Speaker 01

  Is that a statistical thing? Like when the weather's hotter, people like commit more crime, there's more like domestic arguments, all that kind of stuff?

• 42:47Matt Farah?

  I mean, I'm, I wouldn't be surprised if the, cause the humidity, the last two days were two of the most humid days ever recorded in the history of LA and

• 42:56Speaker 01

  It's been very weird.

• 42:57Matt Farah?

  And on top of that, it's been super, super hot. So it's like, it's like LA has been hotter and more humid than Orlando during the same period. Like, that ain't right. That's not, that's not what my tax, my tax dollars are not going to that. That's the fuck, that's mine. That's where I get to say that shit. Cause my tax dollars go to the schools and I don't have kids and you don't hear me fucking yapping about that bullshit, but I don't want my tax dollars going to fucking Florida's humidity. That's crazy.

• 43:26Speaker 01

  Look, I live here because my hair can't handle humidity.

• 43:28Matt Farah?

  A hundred percent, hundred percent. I live here because I can't possibly live anywhere else. Everywhere else I sweat like a fucking pig, not here.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  Well, here the, the atmosphere takes it away from you.

• 43:38Matt Farah?

  Oh my God, here I'm fucked up this last couple of days on my motorcycle. I've been sweaty and de-sweaty. I, yesterday I had to go to three different doctor appointments on my motorcycle. So I would get sweaty and then have to like, take my clothes off for the doctor and then put them back on and then get back on the fucking bike. I mean, it was a disaster. It was a disaster.

• 43:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:59Matt Farah?

  But without it, I wouldn't have been able to make the appointments. Cause the traffic was gridlocked everywhere and I'm, you know, the five miles an hour is better than zero.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  Well, I bet you're not the dirtiest person that a doctor has ever seen. So you can rely on that. Um, a global temperature study showed that a 18 Fahrenheit increase in short-term mean temperature is linked to a nine percent rise in violent crime.

• 44:24Matt Farah?

  Yep. There we go.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 44:26Matt Farah?

  And how about, how do you think it, okay. So if it affects violent crime nine percent, how do you think it affects road rage?

• 44:33Speaker 01

  Probably similar. Or like people driving fast, people are just, they're, they're, you know, they're frustrated.

• 44:38Matt Farah?

  They just wanna not be out there.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  They just don't wanna be hot anymore.

• 44:42Matt Farah?

  Right? Neither do I. That's why I'm leaving. Going to Espana. Um, yeah, we'll go to the people a little earlier than normal because we've done shows four days in a row this week.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  We have.

• 44:52Matt Farah?

  I am out of things to talk about, like straight up.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  I found this.

• 44:56Matt Farah?

  What is that?

• 44:57Speaker 01

  I'm talking about it.

• 44:58Matt Farah?

  Luxury car sales are cratering. Yeah, I, I, I did see, um.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  So it's kind of the midpoint. It's not, it's the old, you know, hypercars and whatnot, anything over like a million or eight hundred thousand dollars selling, fine. And then cheaper cars don't really exist anymore. But this is like the four hundred thousand dollar Bentley, Porsche, you know, even like two hundred thousand dollar Cayenne's. And some of the stats were wild. Uh, what was it? I mean,

• 45:24Matt Farah?

  About like Maserati selling like zero cars?

• 45:27Speaker 01

  They are.

• 45:28Matt Farah?

  Now's the time.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Fucked.

• 45:29Matt Farah?

  Get, get it, you, dude.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah, you could get 80,000 on the hood probably. They'd be so, they're just happy to have you in the building.

• 45:37Matt Farah?

  Wouldn't you get a Grecale for like

• 45:40Speaker 01

  No.

• 45:40Matt Farah?

  35 grand? You wouldn't?

• 45:42Speaker 01

  No.

• 45:43Matt Farah?

  They're nice.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  They're nice, but I would, I'm, I honestly now would worry that the dealership network is going to fall apart. They sold, they sold less than 8,000 vehicles worldwide last year.

• 45:56Matt Farah?

  Look, if they were, if, if

• 45:58Speaker 01

  This feels like Alpha, that's why.

• 46:00Matt Farah?

  If they were Bugatti, that would be a lot.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. They, yeah, but they're, but they're pricing themselves more like BMW. Um, 60 of the 86 Maserati, Maserati dealers in the US have not reported a single sale in the month of August.

• 46:15Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  Uh, 13 Maserati dealers have one sale.

• 46:18Matt Farah?

  Is that cause they were all at Car Week? Were they all closed for Car Week? Is that why?

• 46:22Speaker 01

  That is very funny. They do, maybe they closed for August for vacation.

• 46:24Matt Farah?

  They're Italian. They're all, they're all vacationing.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  They're, I mean, their cars, I just feel like their cars are good. I think they're overpriced for what they are, but that's what they probably have to sell them for.

• 46:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:35Speaker 01

  And then, I mean, that's, you're stuck. Or you're, or you're trying to be too fancy.

• 46:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You're trying to compete with like Porsche and you can't.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  Or Ferrari. And I mean, the, the MC20 was 350 grand.

• 46:50Matt Farah?

  Well, yeah.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  Great car at 200, but maybe they can't sell it for that cheap.

• 46:55Matt Farah?

  All day at 150.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  All day at 150. But then if you're selling it at a loss, what are you doing?

• 47:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  So that's not good.

• 47:01Matt Farah?

  You can't sell a carbon tub car for 150. That's like not a thing you can do. Today.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  Not today.

• 47:06Matt Farah?

  Not today.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  You know, 10 years ago, you could do it.

• 47:09Matt Farah?

  Alpha did it, but it was a shit box.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  That's true, but they did do it.

• 47:13Matt Farah?

  It was a garbage car.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they were close.

• 47:17Matt Farah?

  They didn't objectively do it and they probably lost money on it, to be honest with you. Um,

• 47:23Speaker 01

  But this, this is

• 47:24Matt Farah?

  But here's the other thing.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  Worst year since 2009.

• 47:26Matt Farah?

  Okay. You, so you have billionaires are now above Porsche, right? And then, and, and the upper middle is holding on to their wallets. Two reasons. One, real uncertainty. And two, a lot of these companies are selling really similar product to what they were selling three, four, five, six years ago for a lot more money.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  True.

• 47:54Matt Farah?

  And with ADAS shit in it. And so if you've got a 2022, what was the first year of a DB12? If you've already got a DB12, 23, and now they want you into a DB12S and you go, well, my DB12's trade-in value, I go, you go, I spent 300 grand on a DB12. The trade-in value after three years is a buck 50 or something. Not, you know, it's half.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:26Matt Farah?

  And now you want me to trade it in for something that's a hundred grand more than the car than it was, and it's got ADAS in it.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  And not that different a car.

• 48:34Matt Farah?

  And it's not, it's not that different a car. It's on the road, really not much faster. Um, and it's got this annoying thing. Maybe it even has a particulate filter in it where the previous car didn't.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:48Matt Farah?

  You know, maybe it's the same car that sounds worse. Why am I buying?

• 48:51Speaker 01

  It should be said Aston Martin's revenue is down 21%. Like they're, yeah, they're not having a good time.

• 48:59Matt Farah?

  Um, I'm not like, I liked the, I liked the, the DB12S very much, but if I already had a DB12 or a Vantage from three or four years ago, like I wouldn't be shopping for the one they have now, not with ADAS in it. So, um, and yeah, Porsche dealers pushing customers to buy cars they don't want for access to cars they do want. I mean, what else is new? That's, that's always been, right? I mean, people, you gotta be a good customer to get the good cars.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:30Matt Farah?

  And so like, you know, they'll, they'll forget about you if you're not buying.

• 49:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 49:35Matt Farah?

  That's like how car dealers work. Sorry. But like, it is bad for everybody. Like, you know, if, if the regular expensive brands can't sell anything, you know, what hope do we have for any affordable sports cars really? Like,

• 49:56Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, but maybe this.

• 49:59Matt Farah?

  The driving prices back down?

• 50:01Speaker 01

  Maybe. And then, you know, the, the markets can kind of come to the middle. I don't know. Porsche is in a tough spot because they need to make up all the money they can.

• 50:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  I mean, they just, I think they just sold their Bugatti stake or like

• 50:12Matt Farah?

  Uh, I think so.

• 50:13Speaker 01

  They divested it. So, and they're like, we're, we're, you know, we need to focus on this and that. It's probably also like a financial thing. I would just speculate, but they need all the money they can get to get the EV came in going and the ICE came in and all that stuff.

• 50:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I don't blame them for doing the GT3 convertible. I mean, that's an easy, that's a no-brainer.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 50:32Matt Farah?

  Right? That's a money printer right there. They've, they just rearranged the parts they've already got, fine tune it, let it, let it, let Andy have at it for a couple of months and good to go.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. I feel like their special cars are probably still selling well, but it's, you know, the meat and potatoes they need of Cayenne and Macan and Pan America, all that stuff.

• 50:50Matt Farah?

  The, it just, it. It's, it seems very expensive, you know, those, those cars are, they're really expensive cars. And if we don't have, if the interest rates aren't good, if people can't lease one for, you know, a thousand bucks a month, if it's now, it's 2,500 a month for a Cayenne or something. I mean, people are gonna be like, oh, no thanks. You know, if they can't, if they can't lease an Aston Martin, or lease a Bentley, or lease a Mc, a lot of, a lot of people lease these cars.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:22Matt Farah?

  It's weird to think about, but they do.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  There are a lot of people that can afford a Bentley that can't afford a Bentley. And, and, and I say that because everything's more expensive, so all the price squeeze that's happening is affecting those people. They might not want to admit it or show it, but if they're leveraged on like, a house or two, and expensive other tastes that are all getting more expensive, it makes it harder for them to go and lease a really expensive car.

• 51:46Matt Farah?

  Dude, we have, we have a lot of friends who work at high-end shops that, that, that work on a variety of different brands. And they will, you know, at the bar, at night, regale you with stories of people who come in with very expensive cars and talk a huge game, a fucking huge game. And you give them a bill for a major service on a Porsche, and it's $22,000 for a top end, and they scoff at you, and they say they can't afford that. Meanwhile, they're, they're bragging about all this crazy shit they're doing with these cars, and you, and it's like, it doesn't make mathematical sense that you can't afford this.

• 52:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:32Matt Farah?

  If you can't afford this, you can't afford anything I see over there.

• 52:36Speaker 01

  There's a guy I follow, he's a, like Lamborghini Master Tech, owns his own shop in Arizona now, uh, but he posts very funny content of like, this person didn't want to pay $4,000 for this service or repair, but you're coming in with an Urus, where like, the tires are fucked, but you're driving, like, take very expensive car, on the outside everyone assumes you have lots of money, and they're very cheap underneath, and the cars are just falling apart because they don't want to maintain them, or, or repair them.

• 53:02Matt Farah?

  Do you know how often in LA I will see, like, a not very old Panamera, or Cayenne, or Taycan Turbo? Like, something really fast, with like, the cheapest, shittiest tires imaginable on it, like, they had to get new tires, and they were like, Pirellis cost how much? And it's like, ma'am, you have 22s, like, this, this car was $160,000, like, what do you think? And they put the most garbage, and I can't, I don't even, yeah, literally, I see those a lot. I can't even, I don't even want to know how these cars drive, I bet it's terrible.

• 53:45Matt Farah?

  Ugh, get me out of here.

• 53:48Speaker 01

  I just ride like, really hard crappy tires.

• 53:51Matt Farah?

  I just rode, I just did a, we're, we're about to list a, uh, West Side is about to list a Pagoda SL on Bring a Trailer, that's a 71 with 12,000 miles on it, so it's, it's spent, you know, almost its entire life sitting, you know, climate-controlled indoor sitting, and so it has brand-new, like, the little rubber pointy things on it, brand-new tires, there's brand-new tires, date-coded 2017.

• 54:21Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 54:22Matt Farah?

  It's done like, 300 miles on these tires, and normally, I'm like, 2017, like, get them out, throw them in the garbage. This car, for puttering around, I think you probably got two or three more years on these tires, because you're not like, gonna push it, it's a 50-year-old SL.

• 54:38Speaker 01

  It's a Pagoda.

• 54:39Matt Farah?

  It's a Pagoda, you're, you're puttering, and, and they actually feel like, pretty, pretty tacky still, because they've just never left the garage.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  Wow, such a good-looking car.

• 54:47Matt Farah?

  It is, very pretty. Uh, can you zoom in on these questions while we go to them? From the people, over at patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast, it's how you support your favorite podcast directly. And even if that's not us, that's okay, support somebody's podcast directly. And, uh, it's how you get the live show, it's how you ask us questions, it's how you get the show the same day it's recorded, instead of waiting for your Tuesdays and Thursdays. Oh, that's gonna be awkward, when you guys don't get a show all next week, because you've got them all this week. And, uh, where you get extra show, it's where you get an ad-free show, all kinds of extra added value for just a couple of your dollars each month. Um, and we are working very hard on our next giveaway car.

• 55:32Matt Farah?

  Uh, that went really well for us, went really well for you guys, you seemed to enjoy it. Um, it was a fun time, um, and, and I'm down to do it again. And so we have another car that we are getting, that is a, even a little more focused towards our audience than the 911 Turbo S, so that should be very, very fun. But let's get to the people. Uh, three days' race, very good, I have a supercharged, they should do the 72 hours of Daytona.

• 56:01Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 56:02Matt Farah?

  Why is 24 hours the longest race?

• 56:04Speaker 01

  Because it's very expensive as is.

• 56:07Matt Farah?

  Uh, I have a supercharged S2000 with 356 at the wheels, that sounds spicy. Uh, I have plans on getting into a Evora GT, or Amira, eventually, I don't, okay. I'm looking for back-road fizz, am I looking at the right place, or should I expand my options? I've got 100K, and I want a stick, and I do not want a car with ADAS. I love an Evora, uh, I, I do love an Evora GT.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  Evora GT is fantastic, you should go drive a Cayman also, uh, like a GTS 4.0, I think that's in the bar, that's budget, right? For 100?

• 56:47Matt Farah?

  I mean, 100 grand gets you a GT4. You don't need a GTS, you can get a GT4.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  If you want more track focus, sure, it just depends on what you want to do with the car, but like, either one of those you should drive, because they are a little tighter, a little bit more agile, and, uh, the shifter is better, so.

• 57:02Matt Farah?

  If you've got 100 Gs, I'd rather have an Amira than an Evora, it's just a nicer car, nicer place to spend your time, and I don't really think it's a step backwards in terms of being connected at all, I think it's a lovely car.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:17Matt Farah?

  I mean, I mean, if you want back-road fizz, I mean, we talked about it last show, you know, you could spend just over half of that on the world's nicest, supercharged Elise.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  Oh, that's true.

• 57:29Matt Farah?

  And have a real fucking ripper.

• 57:30Speaker 01

  That's, that's all the fizz, nothing but.

• 57:33Matt Farah?

  If that's, that's really what you want, you know, um, if you're, if you can fit in it.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:38Matt Farah?

  But lots of fizz in an Amira, I mean, those are great little cars, and they're, they are a little street-tuned.

• 57:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:45Matt Farah?

  They're not, they're not punishing for sharpness, they're, they're meant to be driven on the street, but they're a lot of fun.

• 57:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 57:51Matt Farah?

  What else, what else would you be missing at that price? I mean, that's, 100,000 bucks is a lot of money, you're buying 911s at that price.

• 57:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, you could, you could get a Vantage, you could get almost, almost any Corvette, you could get maybe a UZ06 at that price, maybe?

• 58:06Matt Farah?

  Wants a stick.

• 58:07Speaker 01

  Oh, right.

• 58:08Matt Farah?

  Stick is a deal-breaker. Dude, you could, I mean, well, back road, I don't know about an Aston Martin is for back-road fizz.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, you might have to get some suspension, and that's a whole thing.

• 58:18Matt Farah?

  But, you, you could get a ton of.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  M2CS.

• 58:22Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  The last, the good gen.

• 58:24Matt Farah?

  You get a Viper?

• 58:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:27Matt Farah?

  Viper's, Viper's an animal, GT350R.

• 58:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's.

• 58:31Matt Farah?

  It's pretty fizzy.

• 58:32Speaker 01

  Very good.

• 58:33Matt Farah?

  Good time.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Uh, Camaro 1LE, yeah, SS1LE.

• 58:39Matt Farah?

  They use, for you to spend half your money and get that.

• 58:41Speaker 01

  Do that?

• 58:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I, I think you have a lot of options.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  Oh, C7 Grand Sport.

• 58:49Matt Farah?

  Great car.

• 58:50Speaker 01

  That's a good car.

• 58:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, way under, I mean, that's a, that's like a 45, we just sold one for like, 50 grand, um, with like, 20,000, you, you didn't want it.

• 58:59Speaker 01

  No, I don't want it.

• 59:00Matt Farah?

  With all the MAGA stuff on it.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  Oh, that one, no, no, no, no.

• 59:03Matt Farah?

  It's weird.

• 59:04Speaker 01

  Like, for people who don't know, like, doors, hood, it was decorated everywhere.

• 59:10Matt Farah?

  It was, it wasn't, it wasn't, uh, it wasn't literal MAGA, it was, um.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  Extremely patriotic.

• 59:18Matt Farah?

  We the people.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  It was very patriotic.

• 59:20Matt Farah?

  It was very we the people.

• 59:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, and not, not in a Cletus.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  And not in a sticker you can remove way, right?

• 59:26Matt Farah?

  No.

• 59:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:28Matt Farah?

  And the owner, the new buyer was very excited. Um, Johnny E.V. Gierman, uh, do you think buying a car post-2026 because of the spyware should be null for enthusiasts, or do you think having cameras and GPS tracking your car should keep you from owning something you want? I understand it's no different than my phone, but this is a moving object.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  Depends on how many prepper forums and reddits you are a member of, I think, like, because the phone, the phone is, is the counterpoint.

• 1:00:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  Are you ever gonna go anywhere intentionally without your phone in the hope that you are escaping being tracked? I feel like that's the question.

• 1:00:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  If the answer is no, you, because you need your phone for so many things these days, okay, then.

• 1:00:15Matt Farah?

  Then what are you doing?

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  Then who cares? Like, I, I get, it is annoying that car companies are hoarding our data and selling it, so is like, every single application on your phone, truly, especially if it's a free app.

• 1:00:27Matt Farah?

  And, yeah.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:00:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, and, and all the fucking websites you use, and, you know, all kinds of stuff.

• 1:00:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, it's like taking a, like, having a ginger shot once a month, because you're like, wow, it's got anti-cancer properties, and then you're smoking cigarettes, you know, doesn't really matter.

• 1:00:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, look, I, I understand the question, um, and I like that I have a variety of cars, many of which are very analog.

• 1:00:59Matt Farah?

  But am I gonna never buy a car again because it's a connected device? Like, no, that's not true. I'm gonna, I'm gonna buy cars that are connected. Like, I just, because I'm not gonna have really a choice.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:01:11Matt Farah?

  Like, I'm, I, I, I hope I live long enough for cars that are model year 2024 to become old. You know what I mean? Like, I hope I live long enough to see my Boxer become an old car.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  Well, look, I mean, your Taycan is a couple of years old. It has a native GPS on it, right?

• 1:01:29Matt Farah?

  Hmm.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  Satellite nav? So, that's quote "tracking" you because it needs to know your position.

• 1:01:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  I mean, that started along, my dad's old Volvo, which has very old nav. I mean, that's tracking him technically.

• 1:01:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I would really like robust protections for consumers for all of that shit.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:46Matt Farah?

  Um, and our fucking crime government right now has no interest in any of that. They're, this is, this is the Consumer Exploitation Administration, so, good luck.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:01:59Matt Farah?

  Uh, Kame Insider, have you ever had a manufacturer compare their car to another car and then liked the other car more? Or wondered if they've actually driven the other car? We, we've had a lot of people benchmark Porsche 911s only to deliver cars that are nothing like Porsche 911s. I mean, maybe they could approach a 911's lap time or something, but like, if you tried to build me a car that feels like a 911, like, it does not.

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, the AMG GT was clearly benchmarked, if you look at the thing, but the engine's in a different place. So, it, and it, I love those cars, I know we've talked about them a lot today, but it felt fundamentally different because the engine's in a different place.

• 1:02:41Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Uh, I think if a car company says, admits that they benchmarked with something, they definitely drove that car. And they probably have two of them, one for driving assessment and one they literally took apart.

• 1:02:52Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  But if they compare to a car and, and because of the market segment, but they drive totally different, then you go, maybe they didn't have the budget for that, to, to really assess it.

• 1:03:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I haven't seen it in a long time, but maybe like 15 years ago, I last went on a car launch where they had competitive product. I think it was the Taurus SHO.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  Wow. Yeah, I haven't seen a rival.

• 1:03:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  At a launch.

• 1:03:19Matt Farah?

  Taurus SHO, they brought out like an A6 and, uh, I can't, I can't remember what else. A Lexus GS maybe? And some, some, like, you know, three, like, $50,000 mid, mid-tier luxury sedans. And, you know, it, it, at the time, you know, in a lot of ways, you know, the Taurus had better steering than the Audi and it had better ride than the, and you go, oh, okay, you know, I can see how you think this is a better car than those other cars. And like, you know, maybe in some ways it was, you know? More horsepower than the Lexus, better steering than this, okay, fine.

• 1:04:05Matt Farah?

  I haven't seen it really since.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:07Matt Farah?

  And never in a way, almost never in a way where there would be any chance anybody would like, they would never do that if they weren't 100% certain you're liking their shit better.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  Well, because the danger with the test you referred to is, they might put the, the Lexus and the, um, the Ford, like a drag strip. And they go, okay, you're gonna compare acceleration, isn't the SHO better? Yes, but while you're sitting in that Lexus, you're looking at everything else.

• 1:04:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:35Speaker 01

  So, they're not, they can't cover up all of the interior and, you know, make the seats bet, like, worse.

• 1:04:40Matt Farah?

  Well, and they get like the basest one. You know, they would do that. They'd get the super stripper one and then they'd have the, the nicest version of whatever they're selling. I mean, it's, it's silly tricks, but like, but they would do it.

• 1:04:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah. No, I, but, uh, I've never ever, I've never actually heard of a manufacturer benchmarking a car and like failing super, super bad at it. No. I mean, the Mercedes was never gonna be a 911, ever.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  No, but it's competing in the segment for the price.

• 1:05:16Matt Farah?

  The AMG GT, the previous one, not the current one.

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  Right, right, that's what I meant.

• 1:05:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the previous, the previous one, I mean, look, on a track, it was competitive, actually.

• 1:05:24Speaker 01

  Right. And they're winning, they've been winning for a long time.

• 1:05:27Matt Farah?

  And those cars are fun.

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:05:29Matt Farah?

  That's a, that's a fun sports car to drive. Very different from a 911, but fun. Yeah. Poop to sample. Pretty good. Uh, when looking at options for a multiple car garage, would adding a 997.2 Carrera S be too close of a driving experience to my 718 GT4? I currently have said GT4 and an Audi RS3, which is a ni- nice contrast.

• 1:05:58Matt Farah?

  Uh, okay.

• 1:05:59Speaker 01

  And they want a third vehicle.

• 1:06:01Matt Farah?

  As a, they wanna keep a third vehicle as a daily and either keep the RS3, okay, so RS3 is a daily. It's a fun daily, but that, the RS3's not special enough that that's a weekend car. So, if that's not gonna be your daily, ditch it. And get it, and get a boring daily.

• 1:06:18Matt Farah?

  Um, I had a GT3 before, I'm afraid it's not different enough than GT4. Okay, wait, hang on a minute.

• 1:06:25Matt Farah?

  Is a 997 Carrera S too close of driving experience to a GT4? No. I mean, they're Porsches, but I think they feel, they feel pretty different.

• 1:06:39Matt Farah?

  And then if you get a fucking whatever fuck-off crossover as a daily, uh, you could, you could probably do all right there.

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  I was gonna say that I feel like the 911 is a merging of the RS3 and the, and the GT4. Like, you get a little more room like the RS3, so it's a more usable vehicle, but it still has the engine and a lot of the, the view and the shifting and the steering is gonna feel pretty close to a, uh, the GT4 in my opinion. So, like, you're kind of landing in the middle, which you might like. If you just wanna, if you wanna consolidate, I think that's fine.

• 1:07:13Matt Farah?

  How about this? Get a 993. Get a 993. You could daily one of them, they're easy, but they have a totally, totally different vibe to, to any of the water-cooled cars. The greenhouse is different. It's just a totally different thing and for the same money, you could probably get into a nice 993.

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  That's a cool idea.

• 1:07:33Matt Farah?

  I would do that.

• 1:07:36Matt Farah?

  Cut my life in two pistas.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 1:07:39Matt Farah?

  That's very good. Uh, H Foley, shout out to H Foley, who is killing it. You watch Tires, season three?

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  No, I, I don't, Netflix, so.

• 1:07:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, you don't?

• 1:07:47Speaker 01

  We, now we rotate through.

• 1:07:49Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:07:50Speaker 01

  Just to like not get pulled into always having a thing to watch.

• 1:07:53Matt Farah?

  Oh, how, how wise of you. I like your strategy.

• 1:07:58Matt Farah?

  So, you only subscribe to like one at a time?

• 1:08:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it's, and it's like, we, there's a show on that streaming series we know we want to watch, so we will subscribe to the streaming series, or sorry, the, the streamer, watch it. And like, if there's another thing, we'll watch that, but it's just, we found ourselves both like.

• 1:08:13Matt Farah?

  You cancel your subscription?

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. Because otherwise, it's like, there's just always too many new things.

• 1:08:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  And there's always so many shows being hyped as like the new best thing. And we just found ourselves watching like way too much TV stuff.

• 1:08:23Matt Farah?

  Huh.

• 1:08:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:25Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  And I wish I had Netflix because Tires are, like, it's, it's doing really well. I think Stavi's got a new, Stavi's got a new special on Netflix that is doing well. Like, I should probably sign up for that soon.

• 1:08:36Matt Farah?

  You should. Or you, you can like come over and I'll make dinner and we can watch Stavi's special.

• 1:08:41Speaker 01

  Just burn, oh, I was gonna say, burn through the whole season of Tires.

• 1:08:44Matt Farah?

  I already have.

• 1:08:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:45Matt Farah?

  So, I don't want to again. But it is, Tires is a really good show. It's very funny, it's really well-written. Um, and, and, um, Foley is a fucking good actor.

• 1:08:55Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:08:55Matt Farah?

  Foley's on it and does a great job. He's where, he plays a fucking greaseball asshole, um, who gets fucking Stavi in all kinds of trouble. And, uh, and he's wearing the gold turtle I gave him.

• 1:09:07Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:09:08Matt Farah?

  The whole show.

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  Oh, that's cool. Perfect. Gold watch, yeah.

• 1:09:10Matt Farah?

  Um, shout out to Foley, we love him. Uh, he frequently talks about how times are better when Burger King and Pepsi are on top because they're the underdog. Oh, that's interesting.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  I guess they are, yeah.

• 1:09:23Matt Farah?

  So, when the order, the natural order is upset and the underdog, so, when is Burger King and Pepsi on top? When does that happen? I'm not sure if he, if I could point that out. So, what's the car analogy? How, when are times better? When the underdog is on top?

• 1:09:43Speaker 01

  Uh, I feel like that was true. I mean, you don't watch F1, I know, but when, whenever there was a like, a new contender against Mercedes or, or Red Bull, whichever one was dominating a lot, people kinda get bored of it. And then there's like a new up and coming driver, or right now, like Kimi Antonelli, his second year of driving.

• 1:10:03Matt Farah?

  And he's like smoking.

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  And he's destroying everybody. And like, if he keeps doing it, yeah, eventually we'll get bored of it. But right now, you're like, look at this literal kid.

• 1:10:09Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  Just kicking everybody's ass. It's kinda fun to, it's fun to watch.

• 1:10:13Matt Farah?

  Uh, I mean, it's great when a company comes out of nowhere and builds an amazing car as well. Like, you know, I know, like Nissan isn't really had the last, an exciting last decade. But I shit you not, the manual Nismo Z is a fucking delight. That's, that's a driver's car. Matter of fact, homie who's wants to, who wants to spend a hundred, under a hundred K on a, a different experience from your GT4. Nismo Z could be a very, if you don't wanna go with something old, uh, and you want non Porsche, Nismo Z is a good answer. That's a fucking ripper, that car. Gotta see if they're in the press fleets yet.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I haven't driven one.

• 1:10:55Matt Farah?

  The, even the automatic one was great, but the stick one is fucking dope. Um, yeah, when the underdog is on top.

• 1:11:08Matt Farah?

  I mean,

• 1:11:10Matt Farah?

  oh, when, when everybody wants a piece, a piece of Matte Rimots. When, you know, they need the takeover, the takeover of Matte.

• 1:11:18Speaker 01

  Especially kinda, he's coming from an EV platform, and now he's in charge of like, the greatest naturally aspirated brand.

• 1:11:24Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:11:25Speaker 01

  Uh, well, currently.

• 1:11:26Matt Farah?

  The Koenigsegg story.

• 1:11:27Speaker 01

  Koenigsegg story is a great story.

• 1:11:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  Uh, I mean Lotus, like, they have no money. And then they bring a car and we're all like, this is awesome.

• 1:11:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:35Speaker 01

  You know, I mean, talking about the Amira, of course, like, they really delivered in a lot of areas. And I think did much better than the Avora before it. And you'll love to see it.

• 1:11:45Matt Farah?

  Uh, Metallica's in your oil pan. I recently, uh,

• 1:11:51Matt Farah?

  I recently visited LA with my wife and tried a Waymo. Everything went great until we got to our destination and it ended the ride in the middle of the street. Is that normal or was it a glitch? So, we've talked about with Waymos many, many times, like, normally they're like, good at the act of driving. Navigating the world, getting you through the street and, and not crashing into things. But that, that first bit and that last bit are the parts where computers can't fucking quite get it done. Like, what I don't know is, it clearly has my location. Like, pretty close. Like, it, when I open the app,

• 1:12:33Matt Farah?

  I see where I am. I can see inside my own house. I know, I can tell with the PIN, like, where I am in my house, right? And yet, it, it drives past me, I'm standing at the end of my driveway, it drives past me, like, fifty feet and then pulls over. It's like, I, you know I'm here. You, the software knows I'm here. Like, so that kinda shit. And in, you know, like I said, in the rain, it would drop me off in a fucking puddle and you can't be like, five more feet, buddy. Like, there should be a nudge button. You know, it had a trouble finding a parking spot, so.

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  It's surprising that, I've only been in Waymo like, four times, but it always pulled over to the curb, I'll say.

• 1:13:11Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:13:12Speaker 01

  So it's surprising if it just stopped, like, in the middle of the lane. That's insane. And then you should use the, like, report bug feature.

• 1:13:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, for sure. Um, and, and, but almost all the problems I've had with Waymos have been in either the first or last hundred yards of the drive. Almost, it's a, that's a fucking tough, tough one to solve. And, uh, and the communication between what the passenger needs and what the car can do is crucial, and nobody's solved that. Um, up to your ass in gasoline says,

• 1:13:49Matt Farah?

  Porsche seems to be pressing ahead with the EV Cayman. Do you reckon, uh, that they'll be able to crack the sports car feel? Or would you expect a scaled down, um, Taycan experience?

• 1:14:04Matt Farah?

  Look, the Taycan has very good steering. The new Cayenne has very good steering. Um, so I think they can make a car that rides, handles, and steers very well. I have no doubt about any of those things, but the question is, will they find whimsy? Because they're a very serious company. They don't have a lot of whimsy. And the idea that they would put fake gears in the car, or what I keep saying to do, which is the downloadable emulator packs where you can make your sports car feel like any sports car from Porsche's history, not just in sounds and gear ratios, but also

• 1:14:45Matt Farah?

  power to weight ratios and acceleration curves and all, all different kinda stuff. I mean, it could be so cool if they do it, or it could just be a two-door Taycan.

• 1:14:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wonder if it will feel different than other sporty EVs, like, you know, because of the weight. Porsche is obviously the most famous for having the engine in the back, which makes it a totally distinct feeling from anything with the engine in the front. Cayman, mid-engine, okay, there's other cars that are mid-engine, but that is still like, there's a small enough subset of cars that have that configuration. They feel different from most of the things you drive, especially most of their competition. But now, where's the weight gonna be from the battery? And is that gonna make it feel like a Taycan or like a Lucid or, you know, BMW's, what is it called? Like, the M, I three thing?

• 1:15:36Matt Farah?

  I am.

• 1:15:36Speaker 01

  Is it just gonna reduce how unique their cars feel because of that? I don't know.

• 1:15:43Matt Farah?

  I don't think they'll sell, I, like, I've never driven a, a, a modern Porsche where I was like, this drives like shit.

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  No, they won't do that.

• 1:15:51Matt Farah?

  It's never, it's never happened, for me. Um,

• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  But I think, I'm saying like, the formula of make EV, stick, quick, and break well, a lot of people can do that now.

• 1:16:03Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  So, will they be able to separate themselves from that pack, which I think their ICE cars do very well?

• 1:16:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and like, even the companies that make sports cars, like Ferrari, when it comes to building an EV, they're not building a sports car, they're building a crossover. And obviously Porsche has already done that. But somebody's gotta try to build an EV sports car that people, that, that, that will resonate with enthusiasts. And like, they probably have the best chance of doing it.

• 1:16:33Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:16:36Matt Farah?

  Ferrari, interestingly enough,

• 1:16:41Matt Farah?

  probably has the whimsy to, to do it. You know, if they had made an electric sports car that could do the emulating of great mid-engine Ferraris his, you know, from history past, I think they're probably, they're probably more likely to be down with that than, than Porsche would.

• 1:17:01Speaker 01

  Well, maybe. They might be very protective, though, of that IP, even though it's their IP, like, of.

• 1:17:06Matt Farah?

  They would never want you to be able to even come close to feeling what it's like to drive a 250 GTO without.

• 1:17:12Speaker 01

  Unless you own one.

• 1:17:13Matt Farah?

  Fifty million dollars. Yeah, sure. Who, who would actually, who has the whimsy to pull it off? Like, the Koreans have the, have the fucking, let's just try it, but they don't have the heritage to actually have a downloadable car, car pack, right? Like, you need someone, like BMW, like, tried it. Like, I drove the I4, the fast I4. And if you turn on the, the active sound, it sort of emulates the S, an S54.

• 1:17:44Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:17:45Matt Farah?

  So like, they're, they're in the ballpark, but, but it wasn't like, good. It was like a janky version of it. It didn't have gears. It was just that sound.

• 1:17:54Speaker 01

  I feel like GM would do it.

• 1:17:56Matt Farah?

  GM.

• 1:17:57Speaker 01

  And I mean, they have plenty of V8 catalog. I think they would do it.

• 1:18:01Matt Farah?

  They have, if, if, if, if Dodge had the money.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  Right, they would definitely do it.

• 1:18:07Matt Farah?

  If Dodge had the money, it would be all Dodge.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:11Matt Farah?

  All they have is whimsy. They don't even have an engine anymore. They just have whimsy.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  They'll put the speakers in there and they'll make it sound like 426, whatever you want. They would probably do it.

• 1:18:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Dre from Houston says, any cars that you feel like you missed the moment? Not because of skyrocketing values, just cars that you're no longer interested enough to revisit? Like, missed the moment, like.

• 1:18:37Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, I missed the pricing on some things, like, and, you know, a few years ago, I probably could've gone halves with someone on a 550. And I was like, well, it's just like a lot of money to lay out. And now they've doubled in price or something, so that's gone.

• 1:18:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:50Speaker 01

  Or, uh, honestly, same with like Caymans, like, a lot of the, the Porsches that have climbed back up, especially since 2020.

• 1:18:58Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm. Why I didn't buy an R34 in Japan and let it sit there for a year before they were legal? I mean, that, I could've gotten one of them for a buck and a quarter. A nice one. You know, like, they just could've sat there for a year, bring it over here, and then, then you've got an R34 Skyline and then you're just done.

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:18Matt Farah?

  I'm not gonna go out and spend a quarter million dollars on a fucking Skyline. No way. It's crazy. Never would I do that.

• 1:19:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:26Matt Farah?

  It's a lovely car, but it ain't that. But a buck and a quarter? That would've been the move. That would've been the move.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  I mean, everything's gone up, so it's, it's, you can kinda pick your brand.

• 1:19:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, but, but no longer interested enough to revisit. Like, I wanted a BMW Z1 for a while, but now they're kind of expensive and like, eh, nah.

• 1:19:49Matt Farah?

  Same with like, same with a lot of vintage BMW, actually. A lot of vintage BMW.

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  I think there's, there's a period where I really liked like the E55 or E63, like the older NAV8 AMGs, but just now like dynamically and transmissions, there's enough points against them. I go, I don't drive a thousand miles at 100 miles per hour. Like I would get bored so quickly.

• 1:20:12Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm. Explorer seeks escort.

• 1:20:17Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:20:18Matt Farah?

  How long did it take you two to feel comfortable being on camera? For someone in a professional service field trying to market themselves on social media, what advice would you have?

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  Dude, take an improv class.

• 1:20:31Matt Farah?

  That's good.

• 1:20:32Speaker 01

  The number of people that are in my improv classes, you know, years ago that are like not performers by trade, and also a lot of them who didn't even get into it in high school, they're strictly doing it to get over their fear of talking. Nothing will get you over that fear. Like having to talk to strangers, think quickly, and obviously improvise in front of a bunch of people and like, after that, presenting to your, your phone about whatever product you're doing or whatever you're into will probably feel so fucking easy.

• 1:21:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I'm really lucky. I mean, it's not, it's actually, it's not, I didn't want to be on camera for like most of my life. I actively avoided having pictures taken of me. I just, I became a photographer, so I could be the guy taking the picture and not being on camera. It took me losing 100 pounds when I was 27 or 28 to all of a sudden feel like worthy of being on camera. And then once someone put me on camera, it just turned out that like, I was able to ignore the camera.

• 1:21:42Speaker 01

  Well, you've probably been very good at talking to people.

• 1:21:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:45Speaker 01

  I mean, at least since college.

• 1:21:47Matt Farah?

  You know, forever.

• 1:21:48Speaker 01

  Right. You were sales in high school, you were sales in college.

• 1:21:51Matt Farah?

  In college, the product sold itself. I had to sell, I had to sell a little harder when it was Nikes.

• 1:21:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But, and then you did the, you ran the business with Larry, and you were probably the public facing person of the two of you.

• 1:22:04Matt Farah?

  I was, but I, but, but I just, I have a thing that other people, some people have it, but not a lot of people have, which is just an absolute comfort on camera. And I've kind of had it since then. And I don't know where it came from, other than feeling good after losing 100 pounds.

• 1:22:23Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:22:25Matt Farah?

  That was it. But yeah, the improv class is actually good practical advice. I do like that. That's a good one. And also like, I mean, if you're gonna, if you're gonna like make, you know, social content about your job, and it's like kind of dry or whatever, try to avoid actually reading a script.

• 1:22:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:49Matt Farah?

  Like, don't, don't literally read off a script.

• 1:22:53Speaker 01

  No, I would write one if you're, if you're new to this stuff, and then just do multiple takes. And by the fifth take, you'll be reading 20%.

• 1:23:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:03Speaker 01

  And you will be sounding like you.

• 1:23:04Matt Farah?

  And/or break it up into small segments that you can then, you know, creatively edit together later. Yeah. DSM is my Stockholm syndrome. I recently saw root beer over tan C8, and couldn't help but think it would be a hard resale. What are some good cars with terrible specs that you've seen? I mean, almost all makes and models. Any, any car where they allow you to do crazy shit, people will do crazy shit. And what's nuts is when, you know, that, there's a ru, a law where you can order a car in a crazy ugly spec, and they'll make it for you. But if you don't want it when it shows up, you can walk away, and they'll be stuck with it.

• 1:23:46Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:23:47Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  You can do that?

• 1:23:48Matt Farah?

  It's the same law that you can order a car, and they can sell it to someone else. If you don't show up and claim it, or they get a better, remember I told you my cousin Shira who got fucked? She ordered a Jeep through whatever the Jeep dealer was in Manhattan, and she was on a business trip when it came in. She was like, I'll be back in like five days. And they were like, well, you better be here in two, or we're gonna sell it to someone else. And she was like, what? Like, I ordered this car. Like, it's my car. Like, it's not my fault that, but then they did. They sold it to somebody else.

• 1:24:21Speaker 01

  Whoa, that's crazy law.

• 1:24:23Matt Farah?

  It was fucking insane. But that, and, and, and it is that same law that allows a deposit and an order are non-binding until you take delivery.

• 1:24:32Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:24:33Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm. So, all that is to say, that I was once at O'Gara, which is Lamborghini in Beverly Hills. And there was a Huracan Spider there that was the color of the Brazilian flag. It was green on the outside with a purple and yellow interior. And I was like, dude, what the fuck is this? And he's like, I know. He's like, a Brazilian model owned, ordered it, and then bailed. And we're stuck with this thing.

• 1:25:06Speaker 01

  Man, influencer deal fell through.

• 1:25:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:09Speaker 01

  I think yellow anywhere is, that's a tough resale.

• 1:25:15Matt Farah?

  Yellow?

• 1:25:15Speaker 01

  Yellow Corvettes, because they have a racing team, is a good yellow. But I think if you, yellow is such a bold color, that I think that's a harder color to resale. And it's a more common color. You know, it's in the palette of a lot of dealerships, but that's harder to resale than like a red, or a blue, or a black.

• 1:25:30Matt Farah?

  A lot of people order blue cars with black wheels and black interiors. And I, although I am colorblind, to me, blue and black is a very weird contrasty thing that you're not really supposed to do in fashion, you know?

• 1:25:50Speaker 01

  Right. Blue suit, you should wear brown shoes.

• 1:25:52Matt Farah?

  You're supposed to wear brown with your blue. And, and, and that applies to cars as well. If you see a blue car with black wheels, like it looks kind of weird.

• 1:25:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:00Matt Farah?

  Golf blue and those types of blues can have black wheels, and it'd be less weird than navy blue, or like a deeper like blue. But in general, blue with black wheels is like, it's like a no-go for me. Yeah. Take Cadillac Cialis Teak 4 premature downshift.

• 1:26:21Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 1:26:21Matt Farah?

  Wow, a lot of words. Oh, man, I was in traffic yesterday, and

• 1:26:29Speaker 01

  And it started to kick in early, and you're like, oh.

• 1:26:32Matt Farah?

  Honey, gotta get home.

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  Blue shoes.

• 1:26:35Matt Farah?

  A guy in front of me was driving an Escalade V with no plates, in traffic, manually shifting. And he was, he would accelerate, first gear, second gear, and then and I was like, dude, like, you have no tags on this car. You're just driving around making as much noise as humanly possible in a huge car with no tags. Like, come on, man. Anyway, was the Infiniti G37 convertible any good? No.

• 1:27:08Speaker 01

  I don't know if I

• 1:27:09Matt Farah?

  We drove it at some point.

• 1:27:10Speaker 01

  We did drive it. It's a decent GT car.

• 1:27:12Matt Farah?

  It may have been a Q60 by the time we drove it. I don't remember if it was still a G37, or if it was a Q.

• 1:27:18Speaker 01

  Wow, I can't really remember.

• 1:27:20Matt Farah?

  But like, not really.

• 1:27:22Speaker 01

  I thought, the G37 I like. You know, it's a very comfortable GT car. But I don't remember their convertible top being good, bad, or whatever. I don't know.

• 1:27:32Matt Farah?

  I think it was heavy. I think it was heavy.

• 1:27:34Speaker 01

  Those cars are heavy. They're very heavy.

• 1:27:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Man, I wish, remember the fucking G35 in 03, when that motherfucker came out? The G35 was hot. And they were fu, they were nice to drive, too.

• 1:27:50Speaker 01

  Yep, they were.

• 1:27:50Matt Farah?

  They ripped.

• 1:27:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, good aftermarket support.

• 1:27:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:53Speaker 01

  Decent, decent entry level drift car.

• 1:27:56Matt Farah?

  Motionless in PTS white. I was working on a Mustang EcoBoost 4-cylinder, and it occurred to me that as I'm getting older, I care less about a Mustang having a V8. I really enjoyed this car. Do you remember a point in your life where you felt similar? And what car was it that made you realize that?

• 1:28:18Speaker 01

  I'm, I still like a Mustang with a V8. It doesn't matter what the specs are on the EcoBoost, or whatever engine, it's just like, doesn't, the engine's not as fun. It's definitely not as fast. It doesn't sound right to me.

• 1:28:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, my, my one that I've used that over and over is the EVs. I don't see any reason to buy the fast version of an EV. They're all so fast. I mean, unless you, like, for instance, I, my Taycan 4 is like the slowest fucking Taycan. And I might get an S if I were to get another one, not for speed, but actually for suspension and brakes, which I would rather have, I'd feel a little better, not feel a little better, I'd prefer to have a slightly firmer suspension and slightly better brakes. But like, that's kind of it. Like, I would never buy the really fast EV because the regular one is like insanely fast. So, kind of like that.

• 1:29:13Matt Farah?

  But I agree with you, like, Mustang's gotta have a V8 for me to give a shit.

• 1:29:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think crossovers, like Cayenne, if it's a twin-turbo V6 and it's a really good engine, I don't care. Like, I just don't care what's under the hood of that. I don't really mind if it sounds aggressive or not. But once it gets, once we get to sports cars, even the 296, which sounds

• 1:29:35Matt Farah?

  Good.

• 1:29:36Speaker 01

  as good as a V6 can sound.

• 1:29:37Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:29:38Speaker 01

  I still missed all the other, and the notes that Ferraris have played in the past.

• 1:29:43Matt Farah?

  I agree. Yeah. Your poorest patron. Somehow I doubt that. Are there any car brands or, oh, sorry. Are there any brands, car or otherwise, that you defend as adamantly as Johnny Lieberman defends Rivian? Oh, that's funny. You shouldn't defend brands, man. A brand will fucking let you down.

• 1:30:06Matt Farah?

  Are there, is there a brand that is a do-no-wrong brand in the eyes of the Smoking Tire?

• 1:30:12Speaker 01

  And I was gonna say California, but it's done plenty of wrong, I'll admit that.

• 1:30:16Matt Farah?

  I think we will admit the, the, the real problems of California. I don't think we're heads in the sand about that.

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  No, but I do get defensive when people from other states are like, fuck that state. And like, all the states have problems. Car brand? I mean, I didn't listen to the whole Johnny show, so I don't know how aggressive he got.

• 1:30:34Matt Farah?

  He, it was, he, he was very aggressively defending that the Rivian R2 and Rivians in general are enthusiast cars and therefore not appliances. And I said the R2 was a very nice, like, appliance car, which I see it as being because it's a fucking EV, it has screens, it has no real buttons, it can go off-road, but so can a great many other, it doesn't have the wild crazy suspension or some crazy feature. It's just a very nice, capable, five-seat SUV, which, to me, is appliancey.

• 1:31:15Matt Farah?

  Now, with respect to the fact that they have, there are enthusiasts of that brand, I still see that and pretty much all EVs as appliance cars.

• 1:31:26Speaker 01

  Hmm, I think I kind of, I side partly with him because I look at like Land Rover or Jeep, like Jeep Wranglers. Many people, too many people, those are appliance cars, but I think because of what the brand has marketed itself as, in, partly in merit, like, as an outdoorsy, off-road-ready brand, it, it is different than another SUV from like a Hyundai that's driving down the street going to the same place as the Jeep. So, I, I think Rivian did that intentionally, like, we are the EV Wrangler before Wrangler got there. And so it makes them a little bit different to me than if they were like, fucking, I don't know, X3 EV or whatever.

• 1:32:05Matt Farah?

  I guess, but driving a Rivian R2 around on the street as your car, if you're not going up the mountains

• 1:32:13Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:32:13Matt Farah?

  or you're not doing any of that shit, it's just your car, which for many people it is. It's a nice car, but like, it's a fucking computer on wheels. Like, there's no, you have, you really have no, like, emotion, like, emotional connection to this thing, like,

• 1:32:30Speaker 01

  I mean, that might be the thing is some people do, some people don't. Because if, if your emotion is based on the powertrain, then if it's EV, you're never gonna be, feel passionate about it.

• 1:32:38Matt Farah?

  Well, there's just, there's just like, yeah, there's just nothing to like, interact with. It's just, which is silently kind of worries you around. And like, it can do that, and I'm not trying to insult it by saying it does that, but like, now that it's gone, I've never thought about it again and I probably never will. I'm not like, oh, man, remember that drive I did in the R2? Like, oh, whereas like, I still think about the 918 and, you know, various other great drives I've done in sports cars or cool things I've done in, fucking, I'd rather, I think more about the Previa I drove 1,000 miles off-road than I think, would think about this Rivian.

• 1:33:16Speaker 01

  Ooh, that's a great point because I think Johnny went on one of those first Rivian drives where they crossed like all of Colorado.

• 1:33:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:23Speaker 01

  So he probably had, he had a similar adventure, which means he had a, you know, similar excitement and all that stuff. So he's like locked in

• 1:33:29Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:33:30Speaker 01

  the way we are with Hyundai.

• 1:33:31Matt Farah?

  He's more invested, and he owns one.

• 1:33:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:33Matt Farah?

  You know, he's a little more invested.

• 1:33:34Speaker 01

  I just, I haven't had anyone insult a brand that I feel so strongly about that I would defend, like BMWs, I'm the first to admit that they're full of problems and that their new stuff is questionable at best. So.

• 1:33:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the only brands that you could insult that I'd have a problem with are Westside Collector Car Storage and the Smoking Tire. Oh, speaking of which, I was gonna talk about it. We got a crazy, I wonder if I can play it? I wonder if I can play this crazy fucking voicemail?

• 1:34:06Matt Farah?

  Wait, did he, did, did he delete it? Wait, this today?

• 1:34:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, okay, wait, this is it, hang on, this is crazy. 323.

• 1:34:21Matt Farah?

  All right, so this is, this is the second one.

• 1:34:29Matt Farah?

  Okay, right, let's see if I can play this.

• 1:34:35Speaker 02

  You don't need to get back to me, I'm already on the market, trying to put a level lawsuit on your company. You and your staff is crooked, and I think you, I think you need to be murdered, or you're gonna be tricking and doing unsolv- unsolvable science to people and trying to mess up your reputation. Reputation because you're crooks, pretty much crooks. So fuck yourself and be on the lookout for somebody that's gonna make hell for you. And God bless you to death, crooked son of a bitch.

• 1:35:25Matt Farah?

  Did he say, "I need to be murdered"? Yes, he did.

• 1:35:28Speaker 01

  He said, "You guys are crooked and you need to be murdered"?

• 1:35:30Matt Farah?

  I'll, here's the transcript.

• 1:35:32Speaker 01

  Did you guys call the police?

• 1:35:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:33Speaker 01

  Great.

• 1:35:34Matt Farah?

  I, I, "Already on the market, trying to put a level lawsuit on your company. You and your staff is crooked, and I think you need to be murdered. So you're gonna be tricking and doing some unsolvable science to people and trying to mess up their reputation because you crooks, pretty much crooks. So fuck yourself and be on the lookout for somebody that's gonna make hell for you and God bless you to death, crooked son of a bitch." So I called the, I called the cops. And I was like, "What's up with this"? It's kind of funny. Now, note, no specifics.

• 1:36:09Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:36:10Matt Farah?

  Like, I was like, you know, meth head, what's the fucking deal with this, you know? You need to put that back down?

• 1:36:15Speaker 01

  I did put it back down, yeah.

• 1:36:18Matt Farah?

  And they were like, "Yeah, that's a known scam."

• 1:36:20Speaker 01

  No way.

• 1:36:21Matt Farah?

  You know, people, they, they, if you pick up, you know, they, you, you, they think, they get you to call them back or pick up, "What's this about, uh, uh, uh"? And, and they get money out of you. And I was like, "Come on." I was like, "That works"? Like, what kind of, what kind of fucking smooth-brain-ass dummies are falling for some shit like that? And she's like, "A lot of people."

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  Well, is the scam like, you call back and they're like, "We're not, we're not gonna murder you, but you have to give us..."

• 1:36:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:48Matt Farah?

  This is the stupidest fucking scam I've ever seen. No specifics?

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  How would you not just call the police?

• 1:36:53Matt Farah?

  I mean, ah.

• 1:36:53Speaker 01

  Like, why would you give them money before, without calling the police?

• 1:36:58Matt Farah?

  So anyway.

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:36:59Matt Farah?

  That's fun.

• 1:36:59Speaker 01

  All right, let's speedrun, we have four that we can do them quickly because I think you have to get.

• 1:37:02Matt Farah?

  I have a, I have a call, yeah. A second Jay-Z has hit the Supra. "Should I get a 2003, a 2010 Viper or a first-gen AMG GT? On driving experience alone, is the GT worth the premium over the Viper"? I mean, yeah.

• 1:37:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. If you're five foot eight or shorter, the Viper's great.

• 1:37:22Matt Farah?

  Dude, Scottsdale? You know how hot it is in Scottsdale? You wanna drive a fucking Viper in Scottsdale? Get out of here.

• 1:37:28Speaker 01

  The, the pipes and AC.

• 1:37:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, hard no.

• 1:37:31Speaker 01

  One is too strong and one is too weak.

• 1:37:33Matt Farah?

  She rides my wis- wishbone until I bust my ball joints.

• 1:37:36Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 1:37:36Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow. "My parents got me a Seiko Alpinist for my 30th birthday." All right, happy birthday. "It's the most expensive watch in my young collection, uh, it's the most expensive watch in my young collection, but also the most durable and the best everyday watch I have. How do I get over the expensive equals delicate mindset"?

• 1:38:00Matt Farah?

  You, you just do. I mean, it's, it's, it's, what something is worth only matters when you have to buy it or sell it. In between, it's just your thing. And that could be a watch, it could be a pen, it could be your pants, it could be a Lamborghini. It, it, when you're using the thing, I mean, here, one way to get over it if you really give a shit. An Alpinist is like somewhere between $500 and $1,000. Have your, add it to your homeowner's insurance or your renter's insurance. Like, just have it insured. And then you go, "Well, if I smash it into something, I'll get another one."

• 1:38:41Matt Farah?

  Not the same as, or I'll get it repaired, you know, for insured. So, so that's one thing.

• 1:38:47Matt Farah?

  But, but these things, a Seiko watch and a Rolex watch and, and, and a, a good, a good quality watch is an item that is designed to be pretty durable. It's designed to last you decades and decades and decades. Murray Long, last name, "Thoughts on a convertible track build? I bought a 350Z Roadster since it was on a list of convertibles with decent rollover protection. It would theoretically be a spec 350Z toy." Is there a spec 350Z? Is that a thing? I didn't know it's a thing. I, I, I wouldn't start there. That doesn't, that seems like starting backwards, and I would consider having like a proper, proper roll bar welded into it.

• 1:39:28Speaker 01

  Well, that would be required, so spec Z, I guess if you're talking about the NASA, like, you need a roll bar anyway, which is good because if you have a convertible, they're probably gonna force you to put one in unless it has pop-up roll protection. But other things that I think about with convertibles that are downside, if you, if you're in a hot environment and you're doing track days, you are sitting under the sun getting cooked. Having a roof will help you a lot. Car will also get dirty. If you go off in the dirt, it will get even dirtier. And, you know, structural rigidity is a component of it. So I would definitely rather get a coupe. I'm sure you can get a convertible cheaper, they're definitely less desirable in the M3 world and probably the 350Z world, but start with a coupe if you can.

• 1:40:09Matt Farah?

  He already bought one. I bought.

• 1:40:11Speaker 01

  Oh, fuck.

• 1:40:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you're there.

• 1:40:13Speaker 01

  Well.

• 1:40:13Matt Farah?

  You're there.

• 1:40:14Speaker 01

  If it's spec, then get a cage, you're gonna have to get a cage put in anyway.

• 1:40:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah. "Deactivate cylinder firing in the West Bank." Shout out to him. "Recently put a water repellent spray on my windshield and now my relatively new wipers jitter. Advice on how to lubricate it or smooth it out." I have been there, brother. I, I was Rain-X for a while and that is what happened. You're not supposed to use the wipers.

• 1:40:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:40:40Matt Farah?

  You're supposed, it's supposed to be, instead of the wipers, that's the, that's the thing. The whole thing.

• 1:40:46Speaker 01

  I didn't have that problem because I didn't have wipers on my car when I was Rain-X. Just took them off.

• 1:40:49Matt Farah?

  Worse, they, they're gonna jitter. The best thing you can do to reduce it, it won't stop it, is get some alcohol and some swabs and just clean them, clean, make sure your blades are clean. Outside of that, you, it's, it'll come off eventually.

• 1:41:04Speaker 01

  Well, is that because like, on the first sweep, it's sweeping over Rain-X, which is very slippery, and on the one back, it's like bare windshield, so it's like, goo goo goo goo goo goo goo goo.

• 1:41:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if it's wiping water, it's having water lubricated on the way up and then it's getting hung up on the, the chemicals on the way down.

• 1:41:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:21Matt Farah?

  All right, guys, that's our show. Thank you very much, we appreciate you. I, I said, I, I'm in Spain. If you're listening to this not live, I'm in Spain. Be back soon with more podcasts. Thanks to our patrons for such good questions and I'll see you guys later. Bye.