4 Ways to Implement Mental Health in Relationships & How to Know When It’s Time To Seek Therapy

If you are curious about how life’s relationships affect your mental health, tune in to this episode of ON Purpose to hear Lori Gottlieb, psychiatrist and author, and Jay Shetty share wisdom on mental health and relationships. Check out the full episode to learn more about the dangers of negative self-talk, how the influence of the people you surround yourself affects you daily, when you should seek therapy, and misconceptions surrounding mental health. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Jay Shetty?

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• 3:16Jay Shetty?

  Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every one of you. Now today, what you're going to hear is a conversation between me and Laurie Gottlieb. Now she's been a family and relationship therapist for decades. And she was also a guest on the show, but today we have a conversation about mental health and relationships. So if you've been having any relationship issues lately, if you feel like you're spending more time with your partner than ever before because of lockdown, if you feel like you need to understand how to manage your mental health in relationships and know when therapy is right for you, when coaching is right for you, then this is the conversation you want to listen to. I think you're going to really enjoy this one.

• 4:01Jay Shetty?

  Let me know what you learned from it. Tag me and Laurie on Instagram. I can't wait for you to listen to this conversation.

• 4:14Jay Shetty?

  Hey Instagram, welcome to day two of our online Mental Health Festival here, which is all about helping elevate awareness and learning about mental health. Mental Health Day, World Mental Health Day, was the Saturday that just went and I thought to myself, "Why just talk about mental health for one day? Let's talk about it for a whole week." So every single day, I'm jumping on with my friends to talk to you about. Yesterday, we had the incredible Miguel and today, we have some of an incredible expert, the one and only Laurie Gottlieb. If you've not read her book, "Maybe You Should Talk To Someone", please check it out and I'm gonna bring her on. But I'm excited for day two to talk about mental health and relationships.

• 4:58Jay Shetty?

  So thank you so much for being here, just waiting for Laurie to connect. Hey Laurie, how's it going?

• 5:03Speaker 01

  Hi, how are you?

• 5:04Jay Shetty?

  I'm really good, I'm really good. Thank you so much for tuning in.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 5:09Jay Shetty?

  It's so good to see you again and everyone, this is my amazing friend Laurie Gottlieb, who's an incredible, incredible psychiatrist and has an amazing book called "Maybe You Should Talk To Someone". If you've not read it, I highly recommend it. We had Laurie on the podcast. Her episode was one of our most popular episodes this year, so I highly recommend listening to it. But Laurie, thank you for doing this for us and...

• 5:33Speaker 01

  My pleasure, happy to chat with you.

• 5:35Jay Shetty?

  I know, this week was all about, you know, obviously Saturday was World Mental Health Day.

• 5:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:41Jay Shetty?

  And I really wanted to do something, but what I realized was I was like, "Well, why are we talking about mental health just for just one day? We should talk about it every day and we should be thinking about this every day." And you've been working, and what I love about your expertise is, you've been working with relationships, people in relationships, couples, individuals for decades now. And what I love about that is sometimes relationships have such a big, important impact on our mental health.

• 6:11Jay Shetty?

  And so, why don't you start off by just telling the community here, what you've been doing in your career and how that has linked to mental health? I think that would be really useful for everyone as a background.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I think like you, I mean, my mission is really to help people to focus on their emotional health and to realize its importance, right? And so what I really want to do as a therapist is democratize therapy. I want to bring it to everybody so that everybody has it accessible to them. So through my book, Maybe You Should Talk To Someone, through my weekly column at The Atlantic, Dear Therapist, through my podcast, The Dear Therapist Podcast, through my TED Talk. I just, like you, I just want to make people aware of how important this is and to give them tools. Because a lot of people will say, okay, I know that it's important, but what do I do? What steps do I take? And when you talk about relationship, I think that's one of the first things is, one of the first things I say to people when they come in to me is, how is your life peopled? Who are the people in your life?

• 7:08Speaker 01

  And what is the quality of those relationships?

• 7:12Jay Shetty?

  I love that, I love that. And yes, if you don't listen to Laurie's podcast as well, I highly recommend it, Dear Therapist. But the part of that that I want to start with, Laurie, is, and I love that question you said, like, you know, who are the people in your life? How do people, you know, I think this is the number one question I always get asked is, Jay, I'm just surrounded by negative people and, you know, how do I create a distance from them? I live with them. What do you have to say to people who come in from that perspective and feel that way? What is the kind of journey that a therapist takes you on when that's the thing that you're hearing?

• 7:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, so first of all, the people that we surround ourselves is so important because what is contagious is mood. So if there is, if you're surrounded by people who are always talking about negative things, who are always bringing you down, who always, when you talk to them, you feel worse than before you talk to them, right? Or just people who are always looking at, you know, like, bad things, not only about themselves, the world, but about other people, right? You are going to start acting that way. You won't even notice it. It's a slow transition and all of a sudden you've become a negative person. And so I'm not saying like always look on the bright side and you know, don't you know, just pretend nothing is is wrong in the world.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  What I'm saying is that people who are are making a difference in the world and who are taking care of their emotional health and those two go hand in hand because purpose, like you say in your book title, in your subtitle, purpose is really important. So if you think about it, what can you, if you don't like something that's going on, instead of complaining about it, what are you doing to take action about it? Whether it's something in your own life, like I'm anxious or I'm depressed, what are you doing to get help for that? If there's something in your relationship that's not working, how are you talking to that person about it? What are you doing to make it better? If there's something in the greater world that you feel like that's not fair, I want to change that, how are you getting involved in a positive way?

• 9:10Speaker 01

  So I think that when you're surrounded by people like that, that motivates you to act in that way, too.

• 9:16Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's great advice. That's that's really, really great advice. It's about being really conscious about who's around us, being really intentional about who's around us. And I think sometimes feel the people feel the pressure because they're like, well, Jay, I married them, or they're my mom, or they're my dad. What do I do about that? What do you have to say to that when someone goes, oh, but they're they're in my space? Like they're they're literally some of my closest family.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  A lot of times people feel trapped. They feel like helpless, I can't do anything. But the thing is, we have choices all the time. So what can you do when someone's being negative around you? Do you need to stay on the call? Um, you know, do you like, you know, what do you want to do in that moment? So it's kind of like when you think about, we talk a lot about protecting our our physical immune systems right now with like the coronavirus, for example. You have to protect your psychological immune system, too. And so if you let these toxins in, you're going to break down and get psychologically ill. So what do you do? So you're on the phone with, you know, a family member or you're talking to a family member and they're being really negative, you know, you can change the subject. You can talk about something else. You can say, um, you know what, I really gotta go, let's talk later.

• 10:26Speaker 01

  Um, you you know, there are all kinds of things that you can do. And if if you have a certain relationship with that person, you can also say to them, you know what, I noticed that when we talk. There's a lot of stuff that you focus on that is negative. And I acknowledge that these things are real and true. But what can we do? Let's have a different kind of conversation about it. So you're talking about these things that aren't working. Maybe I can help you. Maybe we can brainstorm together about how to make things better. Now, sometimes you deal with a help rejecting complainer. Help rejecting complainers are the people who you give them suggestions and they say, "No, that won't work because..." Or, "No, I can do that because..." We all know those people. We've actually been those people, right?

• 11:06Speaker 01

  But you know those people because every time you try to suggest a way out of the negativity, they reject it. They are getting something out of being negative. You don't have to join them.

• 11:17Jay Shetty?

  That is great advice. You don't have to join them. I love that. And you're right, all of us have the opportunity to leave a room, to put down our phone, to say we have to go, to do it in a respectful way that raises red flags. Now, what about the step further sometimes, Lorene? I'm sure you hear this in the deepest ways. And I completely appreciate that we're very simplifying things for an Instagram conversation. Because if you were working with someone, you would ask them a series of questions to really dissect what this was. So I appreciate that you're working with me to do Instagram therapy right now. But if you think about it from the point of view when someone goes, "Well, actually, Jay, I realize that it's not even the people that are negative in my life."

• 12:02Jay Shetty?

  Like, I'm negative towards myself. Like, it's not even the noise... Like, someone has been saying to me, "Jay, it's not even the noise outside me. It's the noise inside me that's bringing me down."

• 12:12Speaker 01

  Right. Sometimes the most toxic thing is the internalized voice inside of ourselves. Most of us are so unkind to ourselves, so negative about ourselves. So, you know, it's interesting. I'm always asking people, you know, "Who's the person that you talk to most in the course of your life?" And most people think it's their partners, their parents, their siblings, their best friends. No, we talk to ourselves more than we talk to anybody else. And we can be so unkind. And not only unkind, but what we say is so untrue, right? We'll criticize ourselves, you know? "Oh, you're so stupid." "Oh, you'll never get that." "Oh, you're not good enough for this." "Oh, you look terrible today." You know, we just insult ourselves throughout the day without even noticing it.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  And we allow ourselves to be incredibly cruel to ourselves. We allow it. And so when we talk about mental health, and I'm so glad, and like you said, you know, mental, it's not Mental Health Day or Mental Health Week, it's mental health all the time. We have to be aware of this voice and say, wait a minute. Why am I inviting this voice into my head? Why would I allow someone to talk to me like that? And above all, why would I allow myself to talk to myself like that? Because I know on some level that this is not true.

• 13:25Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  Because if this were true, everybody else would think this about me too. My friends don't think I'm stupid, my friends don't think I'm ugly, my friends don't think that I'm not good enough.

• 13:34Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I love that, I love that, that's really beautiful. It's, it's really interesting, I, I, it's so funny you said that, I said that to someone on a keynote the other day. I asked people to write down who they think is the person they talk to the most. And I asked them to write down who they think they have the best conversations with and the worst conversations with. And people always think of other people and not themselves. Um, so I love that you mentioned that, and, and I, and I love that. We're speaking about self-talk, because a lot of people think that self-talks makes them crazy. Uh, and a lot of people think that in terms of, like, we don't realize we're always talking to ourselves.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:06Jay Shetty?

  Uh, and when someone says, oh, you should talk to yourself, that's weird, that's like, you know, it's kind of a bit woo-woo, but it's, it's not, because we're doing it anyway. But tell us about, when do you know you need to see a therapist? Or get therapy, like, what are the signs for someone? Because I feel no one ever talks about that, how do you know?

• 14:24Speaker 01

  Well, they don't, they don't talk about that. And it's funny, because if you said to somebody, what are the signs that you should go see a doctor for something like a physical ailment? Well, the sign is something doesn't feel right.

• 14:33Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  Something feels off, something feels off in your body, you say, I'm gonna go get this checked out, right? So nobody questions that. But people say, well, what do you do when something feels off emotionally? Well, you go and you get help for it, right? Um, but I think that there's some reason that people think that it has to be really, really, really bad. Um, you know, you have to be like emotionally dying before you go see a therapist. Whereas people don't think that it's kind of like if you broke your arm, nobody's saying like, oh, but I don't have cancer, so it's not bad enough. I'm not going to go to the doctor and get a cast. Yeah. But that's what we do with our emotional health. We say, well, yeah, I'm anxious or I'm feeling sad or I'm, I can't really function well. I'm having trouble in my relationships, but it's not that bad compared to whatever people compare it to.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  So I'm not going to get help for this. And then people come to my office when they're having the equivalent of an emotional heart attack. Like they are really, really in crisis. And at that point, they've suffered unnecessarily for a long time and it's harder to treat because you, you could have come when it was just beginning, right? And so I, I think that, you know, a lot of people say like, well, you know, it's a sign of, of weakness that I have to go get help for this. Nobody says it's a sign of weakness to go get a cast for your arm. And so I say it's a sign of strength because what happens is when you say, I want to go get help for this, you're saying, I value myself and I value the lives of the people around me too, because our emotional health affects the emotional health of everybody around us.

• 16:00Jay Shetty?

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• 18:14Jay Shetty?

  if you injured your arm and you need a cast, you can go, "Oh, well, I don't have cancer." And I think sometimes with our mind, we kind of keep pushing it, like postponing it and delaying it. And then, like you said, people are walking in with a real panic attack or a genuine plea because we've just let it build so much. What about someone who has someone in their life who's always told them that mental health's not real? Or I'm sure you've faced that, Laurie, or you know, someone's just like, "Oh, it's all in your mind. Don't worry about it." Like, "You'll be fine." Or, you know, "Oh, yeah, that..." You know, there's a bit of that, not skepticism about therapy, but I mean, like, people don't really... I feel like a lot of people don't understand that mental health is real. People are like, "Oh, I don't need mental health.

• 18:57Jay Shetty?

  I've been fine my whole life. Like, you know, I'm okay." How have you helped people deal with people who have that in their life?

• 19:04Speaker 01

  You know, it's really interesting. I think that people have that misconception because people aren't talking about going to therapy. So if you see the people who seem the most functional, right? So the people who are the most successful, the people who are really doing things in the world and in meaningful ways and they feel whole, right? Everywhere I went on book tour for maybe to talk to someone before I went on stage, the person who was interviewing me, and these were like celebrities and, and you know, people who are extremely successful in all realms of, of the world, they would say, you know what, um, I just want to let you know that I'm in therapy. I, I may or may not talk about it during our conversation. And, and inevitably they did, but, um, and, and everybody was like, really? That person's in therapy? And I think that changes the mindset about, you know, whether this is real or not, whether it can really help

• 19:47Speaker 01

  or not. So, so there's that. And then I also think that, um, it's important that people understand that depression is real. Okay? Um, anxiety is real. Grief and loss are real. They aren't just like you can just flip the switch and something happens, just like if you have diabetes, you need insulin, right? So these are, these are real phenomena. And I, I think that for people who don't understand, it's a matter of education. It's just show them an article about it. Just send them a link to something, right? Send them something, um, that, that shows other people's experiences. And, and I would say ultimately, at the end of the day, nobody gets to live your life for you. So if you are struggling, go get help. It doesn't matter what other people think because they aren't

• 20:32Speaker 01

  living your life. Why do you want to suffer based on what somebody else says about whether what you're experiencing meets some kind of threshold for them? You know, in your place of knowing that you need help, go get help. Please don't wait.

• 20:46Jay Shetty?

  How do you actually go about finding the right therapist for you? Affordability is one thing, but the other thing is just finding the right person because again, that's another relationship, right?

• 20:55Speaker 01

  It is a relationship and it's not like going to the dentist, right? It's, you know, this is a relationship where you're coming in, you are showing the truth of who you are, you are taking off the mask, you are doing, you know, all of the things that I think are very hard to do, which is to be authentic, be vulnerable, and also be accountable. Because, you know, you're going to be asked to really look at yourself and, and, and you're going to be shown a lot of choices that you think you don't have, but you're going to have to act on them. And so I think the relationship and the trust in that relationship is so important. So what I always say to people about finding a therapist is that, first of all, ask somebody, right? So you can always ask someone. Don't ask the person who, um, who doesn't, who you don't feel like they have their life together. The person who's always like, "Yeah, I, you know,

• 21:40Speaker 01

  I go to therapy" and, and basically they, they haven't changed at all. Look at the person and you say, "Wow, that person's really changed. Wow, I've seen that person really shift. I've seen some transformation in this person. See that person, what's going on with you? Do you have a therapist by any chance?" Right? That's the person who's going to, if, if they, you know, have a therapist, will share it with you. If they don't want to share their therapist with you, their therapist can often give you a good referral. So a lot of times, my patients will say to me, "My friend wants to go to therapy. Who can I refer them to?" And I will give them a good referral. Um, so word of mouth is great in that way. You can go on Psychology Today, um, online and look up therapists and you can see different things about them. But ultimately, remember this, that when you go in for a first session, so you say you find someone, they look good online

• 22:24Speaker 01

  or somebody gave you a recommendation, when you go in, it's a consultation. And you're there to see, "How do I feel? Check in with yourself. How do I feel talking to this person? Do I feel understood? Do I feel like this person is asking the right questions? Do I feel comfortable in this space? It's a vibe. And if you do feel good, go back for a second session. And it'll take you a few sessions to really get a sense of, "How do I feel with this person?" And at that point, you'll know whether it's the right person. And if it's not, here's my suggestion. Don't ghost the person. Say to the person, hey, for whatever reason, I'm not sure, I'm just not feeling like maybe this is the right thing. And you talk about it with the person and we welcome those conversations.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  And what's great about the therapy room is we are, it's the one place, I think, where you can talk about literally anything and it is safe. And the therapist will probably say, hey, why don't you try this colleague or here's a suggestion for you or here's what I noticed. And that feedback will be so good for you and it teaches you out in the world, how do you have a hard conversation?

• 23:24Jay Shetty?

  That's brilliant. That's such great advice. And, and it really has to be personal. It really has to be someone that, that you connect with. And going back a few questions, I was also going to say to everyone, like what Laurie said, and it just triggered in my mind, is you know, hearing people talk about their mental health journey helps people that may be skeptical and on, on On Purpose on our podcast and, and I'm sure Laurie's got several stories as well she shares, but even in her book where she gives examples of people, we've had so many people on On Purpose, the podcast, talk about their mental health journeys. When people share that to their friend and send it, they're like, oh my gosh, I never realized this celebrity or this musician or this person has had this. That's a really great way.

• 24:06Jay Shetty?

  And, and one of the other things that I'm seeing pop out from your guys' questions that I want to ask Laurie here, where's it gone? Uh, there we go. So this was a really important point. Amira goes, people sometimes associate having therapy with failing at life. I completely agree. Like we see it as a witness when actually, it's actually good training. Uh, and, and I just want to address that for a second. Like if you have a therapist, that does not mean you are failing at life. Right? And when you're surprised that someone's in therapy, it means you only think you take therapy if things are going really wrong. That's not the case as we've been addressing. Therapy is for you to stay proactive about your mental wellbeing, whatever your therapy

• 24:48Jay Shetty?

  practice is, whether it's with a therapist or you're doing online therapy or whatever way in which you are able to find it for yourself. Being in therapy is not a weakness or a failure.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  One way to look at it, I think, is therapy is like getting a really good second opinion on your life. From someone who isn't in your life. In every other realm, we will get a second opinion, right? We will say, oh, hey, I want to know about this. What do you think about this? From people that we respect. And so I think the thing about therapy is that we all have blind spots. And you can talk to your friends about things, but often your friends have blind spots about you because they're so close to you. And when you go to a therapist, you have someone who can see you in a way that maybe other people can't. They will hold up a mirror to you in a compassionate way, but also in a way that's going to help you see something that you haven't seen. So a lot of times we're stuck in these patterns.

• 25:39Speaker 01

  And what a therapist will do is say, here's this pattern that it affects your personal life, your professional life, your internal life, right? And when you understand that pattern, everything opens up. So that's why the people who are doing the best in life are people who often have been to therapy.

• 25:56Jay Shetty?

  Laurie, tell me when you think a couple should go to therapy together, because that's obviously been a huge part of your work. And I feel like usually what I've seen, when I, obviously I'm a coach, so I do coaching, which is obviously very different from therapy. But when I'm coaching someone and if I'm recommending them to go to therapy. Often what happens is like one person in the relationship wants to go to a therapist and the other. Or you've seen this a million times. So what do you do in that situation? When is the right time for a couple to go to therapy? And when you have one person who wants to go to the therapist, the other person doesn't, how do you manage that?

• 26:35Speaker 01

  So when people want to come to therapy, and often, you're right, it's the case that maybe sometimes one person does and the other person is. The reason the other person doesn't want to come is because of fear. They're worried that if we go in and start talking about our relationship, we're going to find things wrong with it. And the opposite actually happens. If you go in and start talking about your relationship, it's going to get stronger. The infrastructure, the foundation, the ways of communicating, the ways of getting through the hard things, because there are always hard things. You learn a new way to talk to each other, you learn a new way to see each other, you learn a new way to see yourself. You get rid of the projections of, oh, this person did that because, well, you don't know why they did it. But if you come to therapy, you find out, whoa, I'm making up a lot of stories in my head about my partner that just aren't

• 27:17Speaker 01

  true. You learn about gratitude, you learn about appreciation, you learn about kindness, you learn about generosity. So we don't get taught this growing up. And so what happens is people get into relationships and they think, well, it should just all go smoothly and we should never have any difficulty. And then they have difficulty and they get worried, uh-oh, what does this mean? So go to therapy, learn about yourselves, learn about each other, and your relationship will be stronger. What I do when somebody is worried about it is I say to the person who's worried about it, what is your goal for coming in? What do you want to accomplish here? Right? And the person will say, well, I want, you know, this, I want things to go more smoothly. Well, then I will talk to them about what they can do personally to make that happen. And usually they'll come in for the first

• 28:00Speaker 01

  session and once they get there and they see that it's not a session about arguing, but it's a session about really love and coming together, they love it and they want to come back.

• 28:10Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and that's what I love about all these practices is that it also gets you to the truth quicker.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 28:15Jay Shetty?

  Even if the answer is that you may have to go your separate ways and that's just your truth, that's a better answer than falsely forcing yourself to stay without having had the therapy, right? Like in the sense of, it's not that, it's, it's not about saving something that doesn't work. It's about being honest and helping both people be honest.

• 28:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I will say there's this misconception that couples therapy is about for people on the last leg. That's not, a lot of people will come to me as they're about to get married. And they're completely in love and they're saying, we just want to learn the skills of how do we talk about the hard things in life? How do we talk about money and in-laws and sex? And who's gonna work and who's gonna take care of the kids? And you know, all of these things that people don't know how to talk about. How do, how can we be more vulnerable with each other? How can we be more supportive of each other? So they want to go in from a place of strength. And you're right, there are some relationships that get to a place where it's not viable. And, and what happens is people pretend that they don't need someone to help them with that. And they live, they could go a decade or more, living miserably.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  When it would be so much better, as painful as it is, to say, let's talk about the truth of what's going on between us. And maybe we won't get these 10 years back in life. We only get one life. So let's make sure that we're, even as painful as it is, let's make sure that we're doing what's right for both of us.

• 29:40Jay Shetty?

  I love that. Laurie, for the last question, what is your one tip for mental health for people today? That they can practice, your one takeaway for what you recommend for people to do today as part of this week of mental health that we're doing?

• 29:55Speaker 01

  I would say the one thing is what we touched on earlier, which is when you notice yourself being unkind to yourself. I want you to give yourself a compliment. And I don't mean a fake compliment. I want you to really appreciate how well you're doing today. Because no matter what you're not getting done, no matter what things you wish you had done differently, no matter what you think you've failed at today. You've done one good thing, I'm sure, or one thing that has been helpful. And, and I would say, even if the one thing is, I'm gonna turn it around and be kind to myself right now. Give yourself credit for stopping yourself from being cruel to yourself and just being kind to yourself right now. That in itself is an accomplishment.

• 30:33Jay Shetty?

  I love that. Amazing. Thank you so much, Laurie. If anyone who doesn't follow Laurie, please don't follow her. This is gonna live on my IGTV as well. So if you've enjoyed this conversation, you can watch it back, you can share it with a friend. If there's been any advice in here, and please, please, please go and check out Laurie's book. Maybe you should talk to someone. It's amazing. And of course, go and listen to our podcast and you'll find all of that when you go and follow her Instagram. Laurie, thank you for doing this.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  Thank you, Jay. Have a great day.

• 31:01Jay Shetty?

  I love doing stuff with you and I, I love that we've been doing so much together recently and.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  And you're coming on our podcast. We're so excited.

• 31:09Jay Shetty?

  And I'm so looking forward to just seeing you again after all this. I really want to catch up with you. So thank you as always for everything and I hope you enjoyed this too.

• 31:20Jay Shetty?

  Hey everyone, thank you so much for listening to this conversation. I hope you found it as insightful as I did and you picked up some really actionable takeaways that you can practice in your life moving forward. Make sure you tag me and Laurie on Instagram to let us know what you learned and what you took away and I thank you so much for being part of the On Purpose Community. Thank you so much, have an awesome, awesome week and don't forget to look out for episodes next Monday and next Friday.

• 31:51Jay Shetty?

  This podcast was produced by Dust Light Productions. Our executive producer from Dust Light is Misha Youssef. Our senior producer is Juliana Bradley. Our associate producer is Jacqueline Castillo. Valentino Rivera is our engineer. Our music is from Blue Dot Sessions and special thanks to Rachel Garcia, the Dust Light Development and Operations Coordinator.