#2307 - Tim Dillon

Tim Dillon is a stand-up comic, actor, and host of "The Tim Dillon Show" podcast. Look for his new comedy special, "Tim Dillon: I'm Your Mother," now streaming on Netflix. www.netflix.com/title/81992010 www.timdilloncomedy.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  Hey, Tim Dillon.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  How are you?

• 0:15Joe Rogan?

  I'm much better now that the ladies are back from space.

• 0:17Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me. What were they up there, 10 minutes?

• 0:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was very profound. I don't know if you've seen Katy Perry talk about it, but she's basically a guru now.

• 0:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, what were her findings? That's my question.

• 0:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, she brought a daisy, which is super important. It shows you how quick the flight was. The dead daisy that's like snipped from its life source was still alive or still vibrant.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's so, it's always...

• 0:42Joe Rogan?

  Look at her, "Shattered daisy."

• 0:43Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 0:44Joe Rogan?

  Look at her nails. So pretty.

• 0:46Speaker 01

  Now, so they go up there and they float for like 10 minutes?

• 0:49Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, at least.

• 0:51Speaker 01

  And then they come down?

• 0:52Joe Rogan?

  Let's not minimize this.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  No, I know.

• 0:53Joe Rogan?

  Let's, uh...

• 0:54Speaker 01

  It's a big deal.

• 0:55Joe Rogan?

  Let's celebrate female astronauts.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  And they, because they were united.

• 0:59Joe Rogan?

  Because a lot of men astronauts, they have to go to school.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:03Joe Rogan?

  They have to learn how to be a pilot first. Then they have to join the Air Force or the Navy. And then they get appointed by NASA.

• 1:11Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:11Joe Rogan?

  And then they go to space, you know?

• 1:15Speaker 01

  And there has been, that's the other thing, there has been female astronauts. Let's, let's not minimize this.

• 1:21Joe Rogan?

  Let's not minimize this.

• 1:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, I think there was a bitch stuck on a space station for a few months. That's terribly more impressive.

• 1:29Joe Rogan?

  Let's not minimize this. No, the problem with that story is that she was rescued by a very awful person who wants to expose fraud and waste.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  Yes, did Musk rescue her?

• 1:42Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh, where's that in the news?

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 1:45Joe Rogan?

  Those fucking people were stuck. The Boeing jet, the Skylight, whatever the fuck it is, the Boeing spaceship wasn't working. They couldn't fix it.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  Interesting, I didn't even know that.

• 1:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and by the way, Elon could have rescued them during the Biden administration. They didn't want to because of his open support for Trump. So they left those people up there. Yes. He's talked about it on my podcast. They left those people up there.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  And they're just chilling.

• 2:10Joe Rogan?

  No, they're dying. It's like slow radiation poisoning. It's like getting 10 x-rays a day. And they're just slowly getting sapped of your life force out there in no gravity. Your bones are weakening. Did you see that lady's face when she came back?

• 2:24Speaker 01

  She didn't look great.

• 2:25Joe Rogan?

  Bro, her, something had happened, like her chin had grown. Her chin was extended and her hair had all turned gray.

• 2:31Speaker 01

  She looked like she was sick.

• 2:33Joe Rogan?

  She was sick. You're dying up there, man.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 2:37Joe Rogan?

  I had Commander Chris Hatfield on and he was at one point in time the longest person that had been in space from, wasn't he? It's like he was there for like six months. And he was saying it was unbelievable, like how difficult it was to recover. Once you get back to Earth, you couldn't walk. It was just like a total vertigo. Like his whole body was like so not used to gravity. All of his bones were weak. All his muscles were weak.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  But these bitches seem fine, these ladies.

• 3:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, for now. Let's not minimize. Let's not minimize the sacrifice they've made for the world, in fact. For the world. They're profoundly different. They're profoundly different.

• 3:14Speaker 01

  To show people. Well, it's inspiring.

• 3:17Joe Rogan?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  It's inspiring. If a, if a, if a guy who's worth, what, a trillion dollars?

• 3:23Joe Rogan?

  Several billion, a hundred billion? Just imagine the conspiracies if they didn't make it.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, Pete, there's already people saying that they faked it, which I think is silly.

• 3:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, I love those people.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  But it's great.

• 3:35Joe Rogan?

  Those are the people that think space is fake.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  That's right. Yeah. But there, there are already people going, well, they faked it. And I'm like, I hope they fake something better than that. I hope. If they're faking stuff and they probably are faking some stuff, God, I hope they're faking stuff that's better than that.

• 3:51Joe Rogan?

  I think this is the confusion. I think the confusion is that they essentially got to the threshold of space. They did not get like way out there where reentry is very traumatic. And it has like, if you see like those heat shields that they put all over those things and if they break off on the reentry, everybody dies. That's because you're way out there and the amount of heat that gets generated as you're reentering the atmosphere. I think they're essentially like on the border of the atmosphere. Let's see, how high did they go up there?

• 4:25Speaker 02

  They go above that line, it's called like the Carmen line or something.

• 4:28Joe Rogan?

  So, the space shuttle goes 300 miles.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  They went a little higher than that rocket man documentary, that guy who shot himself up in a rocket. They went like a few feet higher than that guy. R.I.P. that guy, drove by his grave on the way to Vegas when LA burned down.

• 4:41Joe Rogan?

  Are they even like technically actually in space?

• 4:44Speaker 02

  I think that's where the, like it floats, that's the line.

• 4:47Joe Rogan?

  I might go there, I might do that.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  Do it!

• 4:50Joe Rogan?

  I wouldn't go to space base, but I might do the 80, 80 miles.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  Do that!

• 4:54Joe Rogan?

  So 350 miles is the highest anyone has ever gone, other than the Apollo astronauts.

• 5:01Speaker 02

  62.

• 5:01Joe Rogan?

  62 miles. Okay, 62 miles ain't shit dude, I, I drive that in an hour. You know what I'm saying?

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's, by the way, I agree with you.

• 5:11Joe Rogan?

  It's not that far, that's not even here to San Antonio. 62 miles ain't shit, but it is kinda technically spaced.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  So they get up there and they look at the earth?

• 5:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's why like everybody's calling bullshit on the outside of the capsule.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 5:27Joe Rogan?

  That it wasn't like completely on fire.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 5:29Joe Rogan?

  Destroyed, just because they didn't go that high.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  They didn't go that high.

• 5:31Joe Rogan?

  That's all it is.

• 5:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 5:32Joe Rogan?

  But they did go to space technically.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  They went to space, and they lost gravity.

• 5:37Joe Rogan?

  The funniest thing is they come back and you need a parachute to land.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 5:41Joe Rogan?

  Like at all the technology Elon has, Elon is catching rockets.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  What could, yeah.

• 5:46Joe Rogan?

  With robot arms, clamp.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  What could go wrong in something like that?

• 5:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it could explode on the way up, for sure. Yeah, the way up is not insured that those things are definitely gonna hold it together.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  So that's the biggest risk?

• 5:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have these cannons filled with rocket fuel, that are burning at like twice the, what, what is the temperature of rocket fuel when it's hot? Is it like, is, it, it's like close to the surface of the sun or some crazy shit? Like what is the, what's the actual temperature? So, everything has to be contained while you have... Insane amounts of fuel burning every second. And huge plumes of flame, enormous thrust.

• 6:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 6:27Joe Rogan?

  To escape Earth's atmosphere.

• 6:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 6:29Joe Rogan?

  You're just hoping all those O-rings and all these fucking, all the shit that blew up with the Challenger.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  So it could have blown up.

• 6:36Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. Yeah, I mean, Musk has openly said some of these are gonna blow up. When he's testing them, when he, like, when they would blow up, you're like, oh, Elon failed again, like, no, we want it to fail. Cause we wanna find out what is the threshold, like, what, there's only one way to find out.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  I wonder if all of them were, were that, you think they were like, prepared to die? No. Katy Perry was prepared to die. Yeah, she, in her eyes, something's off. She looked like a soldier. Something's off with her. No, no, it's good.

• 7:04Speaker 02

  What about the hatch, though? Wasn't that kind of a sketch?

• 7:06Speaker 01

  She has a Mohammed Atta look to her.

• 7:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think the problem is that the hatch is not a real hatch like a spaceship. Cause it's not really going to space.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  There's no captain, there's no pilot.

• 7:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  There's nobody going.

• 7:20Joe Rogan?

  Exact the mundo, all the above. So it's, most hatches in that regard, they open outwardly so that the pressure of space travel, like, when you're shooting that fucking rocket up insane amounts of gravity, doesn't make the door hinges fail and it collapses in on itself and then everybody dies.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:40Joe Rogan?

  Right, so the, they have to open outward.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:42Joe Rogan?

  Right, so the pressure would keep them shut. So generally, like, there's like a seal, and it's really kinda crazy, like, I have a friend of mine, very wealthy businessman who brings me over to his house the other day, he goes, I wanna show you something. And he shows me this diagram, he said, this is from the 1950s. And this is the blueprint for the recreation UFO that they made when they, when they tried to back engineer the one that they found at Roswell.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  And they had, this was a diagram.

• 8:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. And it had a crank handle like a submarine door.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  And they were trying to replicate a craft that had landed, crashed.

• 8:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they, well, he thinks they did.

• 8:25Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 8:26Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't think it's a try. He said, this is the blueprint, because it had the actual, by the way, the exact generator in the center of it that Bob Lazar described in 1989, when he worked at Area S4.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  What layer of the government do you think is working on projects like that? Like, is it all the DARPA people?

• 8:44Joe Rogan?

  I think it's people that are completely disconnected from congressmen, senators, presidents. It's all deep state.

• 8:53Speaker 01

  Right, they have to be like, they probably belong to an agency without a name.

• 8:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's probably a bunch of those.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:59Joe Rogan?

  And when it comes to this kind of stuff, like, we already know now because of Doge, that there was money that was going with no receipts, billions and billions of dollars. It was just flying out with no receipts. They have no idea where it went. And Elon openly said, if this was, he goes, if this was a public company, it would be delisted, and the people who ran it would go to prison. But because it's the government, you're like, oh, we did, we just, eh.

• 9:29Speaker 01

  Do you think...

• 9:31Joe Rogan?

  That could be going to it.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  You think they'll bring charges against anyone for fraud?

• 9:35Joe Rogan?

  That's the worry about disclosure.

• 9:37Speaker 01

  Because that's what...

• 9:38Joe Rogan?

  And I think that's what's holding it back.

• 9:38Speaker 01

  I think people needs concrete stuff.

• 9:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you want to see concrete? Let's hear Katy Perry talk about going to space. There, I'm gonna send you one.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  I sent you a few this morning. I said, let's discuss. I saw her, I saw her, I chatted about it on my show, I saw her.

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• 12:38Speaker 01

  Or say something about we weren't taking space, we're making space.

• 12:43Joe Rogan?

  That's the one I want to say.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Which I thought was an interesting scientific. It's not this one?

• 12:47Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, I got another one. I got some better ones.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  What is funny is immediately after they landed.

• 12:53Joe Rogan?

  That one's pretty good.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  It is funny to do something like this and then everyone hates you. Like everyone hates them now.

• 12:58Joe Rogan?

  They shouldn't hate her. Oh, no, that's not it, Jamie. I'll send it to you. I have so many of them. I don't think that one has the making space. Try this one.

• 13:11Joe Rogan?

  It's so fun when people, why is it so fun when people get pretentious? Cause you're, I guess, cause you're terrified that you would ever do it.

• 13:17Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I also think it's fun to see somebody who has no self-awareness.

• 13:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  They're always the most fun.

• 13:23Speaker 03

  I will never be the same. I mean, when you get up there and you see the earth and it's so beautiful and it just fills the screen. And it's not just your window. It's like everybody's window and there's no boundaries. There's no border. There's just earth. And it just fills the screen.

• 13:41Joe Rogan?

  I think it says astronaut.

• 13:43Speaker 03

  The earth and it's so beautiful and it just fills the screen.

• 13:47Speaker 04

  Is it what you expected?

• 13:51Speaker 05

  No. No.

• 13:53Speaker 04

  Better?

• 13:55Speaker 05

  I don't think you can describe it. Cause you know what I was saying? It was like, um, quiet, but then also really alive. And you look at it and you're like, we're all in this together.

• 14:10Speaker 04

  You mentioned earlier to going up, you said that you needed to go to space to heal. I know you're only a few minutes removed from this incredible experience. Do you feel healed? Now you are officially an astronaut.

• 14:24Speaker 05

  Thank you so much.

• 14:25Speaker 04

  How do you feel?

• 14:27Speaker 05

  I feel super connected to love.

• 14:30Speaker 04

  Goodness.

• 14:32Speaker 03

  I will never be the same. I mean, when you get up there.

• 14:34Joe Rogan?

  No, that's it. That's it. There's another one. There's another one. She said making space. But how great is it that they just get called astronauts now?

• 14:42Speaker 01

  It's funny to hear the richest guy in the world's wife go, we're all in it together.

• 14:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if people feel that.

• 14:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're definitely not all in it with you.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  We're all in it together with you.

• 14:57Joe Rogan?

  Can we get on your jet?

• 14:58Speaker 01

  How in it together are we?

• 15:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what does that mean?

• 15:01Speaker 01

  It feels like you hand-selected a couple of friends to go do this.

• 15:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, you should have, it should have been a lottery system like Willy Wonka where just seven random people should have been able to go in this.

• 15:13Joe Rogan?

  I would do it just to change my-

• 15:14Speaker 01

  That would be fun.

• 15:15Joe Rogan?

  That would be good.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  Just seven random people.

• 15:18Joe Rogan?

  Just pull out some guy who's not supposed to be here.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Just a cashier at HEB, someone from MS-13.

• 15:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Get him in. Someone from Trend de Agua. And Lauren Sanchez and Gayle King and, you know.

• 15:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you see, they released the, um, footage, uh, dash cam footage or police footage of the guy who they're saying was just a father.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  The Maryland father?

• 15:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, as he got pulled over with eight undocumented people in his truck. They're all supposedly staying at his house.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't see that, but...

• 15:50Joe Rogan?

  Uh, the wife had a restraining order against him, a protection order in 2011.

• 15:55Speaker 01

  I saw that there was a restraining order. I saw that they, he was hanging out with two guys that were in, in MS-13.

• 16:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they released the, yeah, he's, he's definitely sketchy.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  They have made a few mistakes.

• 16:06Joe Rogan?

  He's not this Maryland father.

• 16:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 16:08Joe Rogan?

  The guy that scares me is the hairdresser.

• 16:10Speaker 01

  The gay hairstylist?

• 16:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I want to know what's going on with that.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  Or there's a guy with a tattoo and his tat-

• 16:14Joe Rogan?

  That's him. The tat, the-

• 16:15Speaker 01

  Oh, the tat, the autism. Oh, no, there was a guy with an autism awareness tattoo and they thought it was like an MS-13 tattoo, but it, it, it doesn't look like an MS-13 tattoo. It's a literal...

• 16:27Joe Rogan?

  The problem is, everybody's a liar.

• 16:29Speaker 01

  You don't know.

• 16:30Joe Rogan?

  So the liberals are liars and the republicans are liars.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Everyone's lying.

• 16:34Joe Rogan?

  They're all lying. And if they did ship some hairdresser-

• 16:36Speaker 01

  Ironically, the only people I trust are MS-13.

• 16:38Joe Rogan?

  And podcasters.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  Cause they'll, they'll tell you.

• 16:40Joe Rogan?

  And podcasters.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  Podcasters and MS-13.

• 16:42Joe Rogan?

  That's all I trust.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  I would love if you just had MS-13 on, just three guys with tattoos, because by the way, there would be no outrage. That's what's hilarious. If you had three MS-13 gang members, not one person would go, why did he have that them on?

• 16:58Joe Rogan?

  Why did he platform them?

• 16:59Speaker 01

  Nobody would.

• 17:00Joe Rogan?

  But if I have Ian Carroll on?

• 17:01Speaker 01

  If you have anyone else on, it'll be a horrible thing, but if it was three guys, MS-13 with head-to-toe tattoos- Who admitted to killing multiple people? And you said, now, now, tell me about what it's like to grow up in San Pedro Sula, or whatever. And it would be okay.

• 17:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, the reason why that's good is because I think it's important to learn about other cultures.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  Of, well, a thousand percent, and they should have their chance to talk.

• 17:24Joe Rogan?

  And what's not cool is talking about maybe Israel did something wrong. You should really not do that.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  I, I think it's criminal of you to even discuss.

• 17:35Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 17:35Speaker 01

  Anything.

• 17:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, apparently I've been co-opted by what's called the woke right.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  The woke right.

• 17:41Joe Rogan?

  That's what I heard. There's a woke right now?

• 17:42Speaker 01

  Yes, and they're.

• 17:43Joe Rogan?

  Fascinating.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  They're, they're co-opting.

• 17:45Joe Rogan?

  I still haven't accepted the fact that I've left the left.

• 17:47Speaker 01

  I did a CNN interview for an hour because I'm promoting my special and then.

• 17:52Joe Rogan?

  Did you really?

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they asked me.

• 17:53Joe Rogan?

  Who'd you talk to?

• 17:54Speaker 01

  This girl, Elle Reeves.

• 17:55Joe Rogan?

  Was she cool?

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Elle, she was cool. She does all the, you know, when you see the Vice documentaries where she talks to the Nazis and the incels?

• 18:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus, she does that?

• 18:02Speaker 01

  It was that chick, and they sent her in.

• 18:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's a good move for them.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  This is hilarious. So I'm sitting there and she sits down, she's like, are there any left-wing comedians? And I named 10 of them that are all in arenas. And she goes, oh. Cause their whole thing now is that podcasters are the most powerful people in the world. And she goes, do you think you're friends with the new establishment? And I said, well, there's 22 intelligence agencies and entire legacy media. There's lots of Ivy League schools, there's this, there's that. Do I think Theo Von's the new establishment? No.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  I don't think so. I think, I think you ran a really unpopular candidate. I don't think Americans like child sex changes. And I don't think they want an open border. And I think if you, you know, co-opted some of those issues, you might have won. They said to me at CNN, they're like, we're editing the interview. I said, put the hour out. I sat there for an hour and, and we had a nice conversation, but you know, we talked for one hour. And I was like, put it out. I'm like, I understand if you can't put it out. And then she goes like this, she goes, um, I can't believe you'd show up. Um, people have said that they can't come on here because Joe Rogan would get mad at them. I said, that's absolutely ridiculous.

• 19:12Joe Rogan?

  Why would I care?

• 19:12Speaker 01

  I said, he doesn't care. He would never care. I said.

• 19:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's so silly.

• 19:16Speaker 01

  It's the silliest thing ever.

• 19:17Joe Rogan?

  They think we're at war.

• 19:19Speaker 01

  I just said, put out the thing, put out the hour online. If you can only put out a few minutes on, on network, fine. But it's wrong to have someone come in and talk for an hour.

• 19:27Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  And then not.

• 19:29Joe Rogan?

  Use three minutes.

• 19:29Speaker 01

  And then use five minutes.

• 19:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:31Speaker 01

  It's fucked up.

• 19:32Joe Rogan?

  How much did they use?

• 19:33Speaker 01

  We don't know yet. They haven't put it out.

• 19:35Joe Rogan?

  And do you, did they say, "We can't put the whole hour out"?

• 19:38Speaker 01

  I texted this journalist and she texted me, she goes, "I'm pushing for like a long form release." I go, "Yeah, man. Just put out the interview."

• 19:45Joe Rogan?

  Also, do you guys want ratings or no?

• 19:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, we had a conversation about all these things you guys talk about.

• 19:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you guys have a website?

• 19:53Speaker 01

  Then what are we doing?

• 19:54Joe Rogan?

  Don't you have a YouTube page?

• 19:55Speaker 01

  Put it out.

• 19:56Joe Rogan?

  Does CNN have a YouTube page?

• 19:56Speaker 01

  And she's like...

• 19:57Joe Rogan?

  Put the fuck the whole hour out.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  I go, she goes, she goes, "What do you think that Joe Rogan should, why is he so popular?" I go, "Well, one of the reasons is he doesn't edit people."

• 20:05Joe Rogan?

  Hey...

• 20:06Speaker 01

  They don't, they're not edited. They come on, they say what they want to say, and there's no editing. So what's weird about those institutions is they will sit you down for an hour and then I guess cherry pick what they think their audience wants to see.

• 20:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, they just want what they think is gonna grab the most ratings and is not gonna make them look stupid. So if you're mocking them openly.

• 20:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:25Joe Rogan?

  Explain.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  Well, she didn't know when she said it there at last. She goes, "Comedy's right wing now." I go, she goes, "Named left of center comedians." I named literally eight of them and I said they all are in arenas. I go, "What are you talking about?"

• 20:35Joe Rogan?

  It's so dumb.

• 20:36Speaker 01

  What are you talking about?

• 20:37Joe Rogan?

  It's so dumb.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  I was like, "That's, you're saying that comedy's, what?"

• 20:40Joe Rogan?

  By the way, I used to be left of center according to the metrics of 2015.

• 20:45Speaker 01

  I said, "There's a lot of Joe's positions, if you look at them, that are, that are, that are left of center positions." And there's a lot of my positions or anyone's positions. I said, "There's nobody that you can easily put in a box."

• 20:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 20:55Speaker 01

  And, but they, they want you to be in that box.

• 20:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're silly. And they also want me to be an enemy of CNN. I don't give a fuck if it's...

• 21:00Speaker 01

  You don't care, who cares?

• 21:01Joe Rogan?

  By the way, I hope CNN corrects course and does real news.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:05Joe Rogan?

  And just concentrates on the news and all this fucking... I don't want editorial comments from morons, right? So when you're force-feeding me Don Lemon's opinion on how the world should be.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:19Joe Rogan?

  And how, you know, everyone should be shamed if they don't get vaccinated.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:23Joe Rogan?

  You're, you're force-feeding me morons, like no matter... Of course, your ratings plummeted.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:29Joe Rogan?

  Of course. And you guys lied about so many fucking things and never corrected yourselves.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  Well, is there an arm of the Democratic National Committee? And they're an arm of that party. I mean, they, they, you know...

• 21:42Joe Rogan?

  Whether they are forced to be or whether they choose to be because they identify with being Democrat and they want to skew things completely towards the left. I don't know. I don't know what the answer to that is.

• 21:52Speaker 01

  All of the old Bush era... Neoconservative people who pushed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Patriot Act and Guantanamo Bay and all of this stuff, all find homes usually on MSNBC or CNN advocating for war with Iran or an escalation in Ukraine. They always, so it's kind of an establishment, doesn't seem to matter, they don't really care about party.

• 22:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  And, you know.

• 22:21Joe Rogan?

  They're doing better now, though. I mean, this, when they have Scott Jennings on.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  He's, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 22:26Joe Rogan?

  He's great.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:27Joe Rogan?

  That's the kind of conversations you need. Completely ridiculous people who are out of their fucking minds versus Scott Jennings. Like, those are great.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  You need to have some fun, yeah.

• 22:34Joe Rogan?

  It makes these ridiculous woke anchors look retarded.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:39Joe Rogan?

  And they should. They are in the world.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  There are good principled arguments that against right-wing things.

• 22:46Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  You just can't have people who are completely out of it make them.

• 22:51Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly. After the election, one of my favorite ones, was it CNBC or CNN? I forget what it was. This guy was talking about this whole right-wing podcast ecosystem that's incredibly well-funded and organized and, what are you talking about?

• 23:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:06Joe Rogan?

  You could literally go to the roots of how it all started. You could see every one of us doing our first podcast with a fucking webcam.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  There's no, there's no funding.

• 23:17Speaker 01

  What are we talking about? What are we saying?

• 23:19Joe Rogan?

  Even the idea that we're all organized together, or that like, I would want to prevent people from going on CNN.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  Well, it's just silly.

• 23:26Joe Rogan?

  I could not care less.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Because that's the way they operate. You always usually, like, a lot of times you end up accusing people of something you're doing.

• 23:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  So you, because you are familiar with that, so they're like, well, we have a top-down corporate oligarchy telling us what to do. Is that the way it works with you? Like, no, Joe Rogan doesn't email people at the beginning of the week and go, hey, guys, this is.

• 23:45Joe Rogan?

  This is where you can't go.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  This is the most insane thing ever.

• 23:48Joe Rogan?

  But not only that, like. I want them to do well. I really don't care. They obviously don't want me to do well.

• 23:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:54Joe Rogan?

  But I don't care. I hope they're, look, if they turned it around and CNN became great, I'd watch it all the time. It's just, it used to be great. It used to have Parts Unknown on it.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  The new thing they're doing, this is, this is a very interesting thing that's happening. If somebody says something that they don't like and they can't immediately dismiss it, they go, but the fans of that thing are bad people.

• 24:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 24:15Speaker 01

  This is an interesting attack point. They go, but somebody with a massive audience, if they find a sliver of that audience to be objectionable in any way, they then go, well, the fans of that type of questioning are antisemitic or racist.

• 24:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Or something. And they don't deal with the actual facts or the actual line of argumentation.

• 24:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's just a sneaky debate tactic.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:43Joe Rogan?

  When you're dealing with, I have 19 million YouTube subscribers. How can you nail that down to, uh, the fans?

• 24:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:50Joe Rogan?

  You don't know. You're just talking out of your ass. This is, this is a non-argument. It's a stupid point. And by the way, when you're talking about actual comments, we've already established that, I don't know what the number is, but there's a huge number of people that are commenting that aren't even people.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 25:09Joe Rogan?

  They're bots. They're state-sponsored bots. They could be from Ukraine, they could be from America, they could be from Russia, they could be from Israel.

• 25:17Speaker 01

  And I want more of them.

• 25:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  So if there are state-sponsored bots that can, that can jack my ratings up.

• 25:22Joe Rogan?

  They can.

• 25:23Speaker 01

  If, if they want to come over to me.

• 25:25Joe Rogan?

  Do you have anything nice to say about Israel?

• 25:26Speaker 01

  Any Ukraine, I'm waiting for the money. I text Barry Weiss, I go, here's the way this game works. I get a little bit of money first. Not, not I go on and defend whatever the hell you people want to do. Where's, I'm not going to get my beak wet.

• 25:41Joe Rogan?

  If you and I go to Israel, will you slap on the yarmulke?

• 25:43Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Absolutely.

• 25:45Joe Rogan?

  Will you kiss the wall?

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Absolutely. Oh yeah, sure. I mean, did, and, and my film is greenlit when?

• 25:53Joe Rogan?

  Do you have to kiss the wall? Is that the word?

• 25:55Speaker 01

  No, I don't know anything. The wall's the way, is that the whaling wall?

• 25:58Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, but Mike Huckabee's over there like a good Christian.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  Oh, well, he loves it over there. He loves it over there. Cause the fundamentalist Christians go hard.

• 26:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  With, with the Israel thing. They're like, let's go.

• 26:08Joe Rogan?

  Jesus is coming back to that spot.

• 26:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, there, what's very interesting is if Israel said to a fundamentalist Christian, if Netanyahu called Mike Huckabee and said, we're gonna have to nuke Iran, he'd go, let's do it. That's what Jesus wants. Let's do it. That's what Jesus would want. A nuclear war. So that's where we've gotten.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  We've gotten to the point- Jesus wants us to use the nukes. Where, where we have fundamentalist Christians and, and, and fundamentalist Israelis and fundamentalist Muslims on the other side and everybody's playing this weird game and...

• 26:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there he is. Boy, he looks old. Jesus.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  This is just hilarious if this is the freeze frame from the episode that we released as us watching this.

• 26:47Joe Rogan?

  These guys stop, they stop dying their hair at some point in time and just say, "Oh, fuck it." You know, like Stallone did.

• 26:51Speaker 01

  The best hat they have is the Shrimel. They wear it in Brooklyn. It's that big furry Russian hat.

• 26:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I love that hat.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  That hat looks sick.

• 26:57Joe Rogan?

  That is a sick hat.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  It looks like something out of Game of Thrones.

• 27:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a hat like, "I don't give a fuck what you think."

• 27:02Speaker 01

  Doesn't matter.

• 27:03Joe Rogan?

  "I'm a member of the tribe, bitch. I got strings hanging from my belt."

• 27:05Speaker 01

  I got a-

• 27:06Joe Rogan?

  And I'm rocking a-

• 27:07Speaker 01

  I got a hat.

• 27:07Joe Rogan?

  A bear dick hat.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, that's a pretty sick hat.

• 27:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I like that hat.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  I think people can't get past the fact that like, yeah, I mean, it's just sick.

• 27:16Joe Rogan?

  That hat is the shit. What's that made out of?

• 27:20Joe Rogan?

  Why, let's answer the question. Why do orthodox Jewish men, where's Ari when you need him?

• 27:24Speaker 01

  That's a great point.

• 27:24Joe Rogan?

  Ari never had to wear one of those hats, though.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  No, but he looked good.

• 27:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I got a ton of hats from different UFC fighters.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:31Joe Rogan?

  From like Dagestan and from Kazakhstan. I got a cool Kazakhstan hat from Shavkat Ram.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  It's a sick hat.

• 27:39Joe Rogan?

  That is pretty dope.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  It's an objectively sick hat.

• 27:43Joe Rogan?

  There was an article that just said it before that. The, the, the fur one. If you go back, up in, upper left corner, upper left corner?

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:51Joe Rogan?

  Jew in the City is the name of the website.

• 27:55Joe Rogan?

  God, I hope a Jewish person's running that website. Otherwise, they're gonna get assassinated. Uh, the fur hat is known by a Yiddish name. How do you say that? Shrimel?

• 28:04Speaker 01

  Shrimel.

• 28:05Joe Rogan?

  Shrimel.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:06Joe Rogan?

  Uh, the Shrimel was adopted by Eastern European Jewish communities in the 18th century and coincided with the rise of Hasidic Judaism. Technically, a Shrimel is one particular style of hat. There are others. One that might be familiar on sight is the Spodik. Oh, you fucking pop-up ad cocksucker. Enter your email. Which is taller and more cylindrical than a strimal. A spodik is a style generally favored by a Hasidic sect of Polish descent. To the casual observer, however, they're all strimals. Strimal is made from a large piece of velvet surrounded by fur. Fur usually comes from the tips of the tails of sable, martens, or fox.

• 28:39Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 28:40Joe Rogan?

  Synthetic strimals do exist. They're more common in Israel than elsewhere. Interesting. Strimal can cost thousands of dollars, so it's not uncommon for a Hasidic man to own a second cheaper strimal, so that his main strimal will not be battered by the elements.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 28:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, interesting. It's cool hat. Let everybody know you're part of the tribe.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  It's a fun hat.

• 29:02Joe Rogan?

  Maybe comedians need like a thing that we wear.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  A hat?

• 29:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like a thing that lets us know. We don't give a fuck.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. I like that Kanye West black Klan suit.

• 29:10Joe Rogan?

  That's dope. How about his giant swastika in diamonds? Have you seen that?

• 29:15Speaker 01

  What's funny is a jeweler made that.

• 29:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  And a Jewish jeweler.

• 29:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  One Israeli Jewish guy made that.

• 29:22Joe Rogan?

  Significant markup.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, of course. I'm gonna give you a swastika tax. I would, it's only fair.

• 29:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you need a tax.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  I think it's only fair.

• 29:30Joe Rogan?

  If you want a Jewish man to make a swastika, you gotta be extra.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  People gotta separate, you know, and I think this is not, I think people gotta separate like governments from people, intelligence agencies from people. I think that's the whole thing. I think people are losing the ability to do that in this case, right? Because people that when you criticize Israel, or you criticize something that may or may not have been done by a government or an intelligence agency, you're not criticizing people.

• 29:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 29:54Speaker 01

  You're criticizing a group of people making decisions. I don't think America always does things that are in the best interest of the American people.

• 30:01Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, this is the problem with when everybody sort of picks sides during the COVID thing, whether or not we should trust the vaccine companies. Because like, you did it because you're on the left and the people on the right were the ones who didn't want to take it. So instead of just looking at it objectively, the people on the left are like, everybody who doesn't agrees of a science denier, and it got like really kooky. Because it got ideological. And as soon as it's ideological, you can fucking justify anything. This is how how Jewish Americans are justifying, well Hamas uses people as human shields. Like they'll say things like that, like it's a way you can justify mass murder.

• 30:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:40Joe Rogan?

  It's a way you can justify anything, anything, as long as the tribe on your side, whatever your clan is.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:49Joe Rogan?

  You can you can justify things and so people stop thinking, they stop thinking and they just think completely along ideological lines. Frustrating as fuck.

• 30:58Speaker 01

  It is, it is, and passionately.

• 31:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 31:00Speaker 01

  Very passionately.

• 31:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they're right, you're wrong.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  No one is ever questioning anything.

• 31:05Joe Rogan?

  No, why would they question science?

• 31:06Speaker 01

  No one ever, no, no one goes, wait a minute, like I think it's healthy to every now and then go, maybe I'm wrong.

• 31:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there was just something that got released today that showed, they just released today that showed that COVID-19 definitively came from that lab.

• 31:21Speaker 01

  Thousand percent.

• 31:21Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent proof it came from that lab.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  I read it, a little bit of it on the way here.

• 31:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's fucking nuts. It's nuts, man. It's nuts. These fucking people, they just got roped in to this.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  And it was a man, completely man-made.

• 31:36Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  Disease.

• 31:37Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent, and they knew that from the moment it happened.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  It leaked.

• 31:42Joe Rogan?

  The moment it happened, and they just lied, and Fauci is just out there walking around.

• 31:47Speaker 01

  That's an interesting, it's an, it's an interesting case when someone like that in that position repeatedly lied to people about the origins of that.

• 32:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  Um.

• 32:02Joe Rogan?

  And is allowed to just be free.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  And faces zero consequences.

• 32:05Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, they were trying to put Trump in jail because he.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  Inflated the price of a condo.

• 32:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  Would you see what they? He got an appraisal that was higher and then they lied.

• 32:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, their, their appraisal was horseshit, but did you see that? Letitia James is now in trouble for the exact same shit?

• 32:22Speaker 01

  Really?

• 32:22Joe Rogan?

  You didn't see that?

• 32:23Speaker 01

  That makes sense.

• 32:23Joe Rogan?

  They're investigating her because she allegedly, according to Megyn Kelly, who I trust implicitly.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:30Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly went and got mortgages with her father, listing them as husband and wife.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:36Joe Rogan?

  On, on buildings.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:38Joe Rogan?

  Multiple times, and then also lied about the amount of bedrooms that were in a place.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:44Joe Rogan?

  Because if it's four bedrooms, you get one tax rate, if it's five, it's more, so she lied, it was a five and she said it was a four.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  Right. Well, this is what they all do, so I think really the funny thing about all the cases that they brought against Trump, a lot of those cases were rooted in a just politicized version of something that's pretty standard that a lot of people have done.

• 33:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they always overvalue their properties.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  Always overvalue properties, and people get away with it, and it's not, you know...

• 33:15Joe Rogan?

  It's not a crime, but here's the thing about the Trump thing, is that all the people had been paid. So, not only was it profitable for the banks, he paid everything on time, the loan, there's no criminal, like, there's no crime, no one got victimized, nothing happened.

• 33:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:31Joe Rogan?

  They profited.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:33Joe Rogan?

  And then this crazy lady with a terrible past thought that she was gonna be able to pull this off because she was on the team that she thought was gonna win. Like, talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. Like, they got a bunch of morons to sign in on these things.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  It feels like you have, we're in some kind of cold war between two factions in American politics that are using courts and lawyers to go at each other.

• 33:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  It's not a hot war, people aren't fighting in the streets, but it does seem to be, these parties seem to no longer view each other as different sides of the same coin. There seems to be, especially when it comes to Trump, it seems to be like they cannot, you know, see him as anything other than an existential threat that has to be vanquished at any cost.

• 34:24Joe Rogan?

  Right, and the problem with that is when you deny good things and only highlight bad things, then everybody knows it. Well, now you're playing a game, and your game is I never tell the truth, I tell you parts of the truth that I like.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you gotta win that game.

• 34:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  If you're playing that game, you gotta win.

• 34:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  If you do all these things, they have to work.

• 34:43Joe Rogan?

  And if Trump gets in office, even after he did all these things, well, now, you're fucked.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  Then it's a problem, you know? It's like with JFK, they got him.

• 34:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  You know? Obviously, not good, but they got him, and then that slammed the door shut, and then all their people came in and kept a cover-up going on.

• 34:59Joe Rogan?

  I wish I really understood all this stuff that we talk about.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:03Joe Rogan?

  Because there's an argument that we haven't had a real president since JFK got shot.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  That's probably a good argument, and there's maybe arguments that we actually... Didn't have real presence prior to JFK. Right. So. Well, what do you think is happening now then? Do you think that? I think you have these guys, right, too, these guys that go into the CIA, they, they, they, they learn all about these underground groups. They have all of these different relationships all over the world, right? Weapons, you know, weapons, drug running, weapons, all of these different, you know, terrorist groups, crime syndicates, right? Their job is to know information about every government, all of the, you know,

• 35:50Speaker 01

  separatist groups that could potentially take over and become the next government. They have all these connections. And then they either leave the CIA, they retire, or supposedly it never occurs to any of them to make a buck. That's the real question, right? It never occurs to any of these people that there might be a great way to make a buck working with some of these people outside of Congress, the White House, all of that. That's, as it's been explained to me by pretty smart people, that's what you have. You have a rogue element Yeah. of people in those agencies that have massive amounts of money. Right.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  And they're very well-connected, and they're running weapons, and the president has no idea what's going on. Right. And Congress has no idea what's going on. They're not briefing a teacher from Georgia who got elected because he promised he was gonna bring, build a fucking shopping mall in a suburb of Atlanta Right. about what they're doing in Syria. Right. They're not briefing these people. Exactly. There's nothing democratic about what's happening. And so then you think to yourself, you're like, well, how do we make sure everyone keeps their mouth shut? How do we make sure everyone keeps their mouth shut?

• 37:07Joe Rogan?

  Chaching.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  Then we go, not only money, but that's when we bring in Ghislaine Maxwell. That's when we bring in Jeffrey Epstein, right? That's when we bring in people who go, let's all have fun. We've got a great weekend getaway planned. And then we can all be on camera doing something that would get us thrown in jail, have people rightly disgusted and want to kill us. And the worst things ever are now on camera somewhere. Those tapes are somewhere. Now everybody is completely incapable of ever coming out and saying what's going on.

• 37:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  And, you know, and then those people are running a, a, a parallel government. It's a parallel command structure. And that's a huge problem.

• 37:58Joe Rogan?

  And it was essentially completely in control for four years.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  Probably for more than four.

• 38:03Joe Rogan?

  But for the last four, for sure.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  Thousand percent.

• 38:05Joe Rogan?

  That's the best example we've ever had of that.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  Thousand percent.

• 38:08Joe Rogan?

  That guy's never really running things.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Thousand percent.

• 38:11Joe Rogan?

  There's no way they let him.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  And it's probably still in control to, to a certain degree now because it's very hard to, when you have something like that happening, it is very difficult to completely shut it down.

• 38:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's, well, here's a perfect example that we know it's definitely running things. Cause Trump is still trying to figure out why he got shot. Like, he was like, I want more information.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:39Joe Rogan?

  Like, there's no information coming to him about.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  There's not going to be information. There's not going to be information. That's a crazy story.

• 38:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, also there's, you should try to connect, like, if it's not America that did it, if it's not us, it's not intelligence agencies that did it, then it means a foreign government that hijacked this kid's brain? And got him to climb on top of that roof? Like, somebody tried to get someone to assassinate a guy who's running for president? And no one seems to be interested in finding who that person or that group who influenced this kid is.

• 39:07Speaker 01

  So many of these acts, intelligence chiefs pop up all over the world. They pop up in Dubai, they pop up on MSNBC. They love traveling, they're having meetings with people, they're all over the place.

• 39:19Joe Rogan?

  They love people.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  And they're just, they love people, they love cultures. They love meeting different cultures.

• 39:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the food's great.

• 39:25Speaker 01

  And supposedly, I heard from someone who's, again, smart, and I consider trustworthy, that there's actually large sectors of the global economy that are moved more in this direction than you'd think. Like, there are tentacles into very large investment banks and private equity companies that a lot of these guys have. Let's put it that way, obviously. It's not a shocking thing.

• 39:47Joe Rogan?

  Why would the government let a private equity company operate with impunity?

• 39:52Speaker 01

  Right, so you, right.

• 39:53Joe Rogan?

  Especially if they're controlling regulations and they're like, let's work together.

• 39:58Speaker 01

  There doesn't seem to be a good answer to any of this. That becomes the real issue.

• 40:03Joe Rogan?

  You ever get invited to these, like, fucking Illuminati conferences or any of these crazy things?

• 40:09Speaker 01

  No, they wanted me to do stand-up at one conference, and it wasn't like an Illuminati kind of thing, it was like a, I don't know, it was like some type of, like, low-grade Illuminati?

• 40:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  That kind of faux Illuminati?

• 40:19Joe Rogan?

  It's like the minor leagues.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:21Joe Rogan?

  And then eventually, you go to some weird ranch in the mountains of Wyoming.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  Well, that sounds nice. It actually does sound nice.

• 40:29Joe Rogan?

  Maybe.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  No, I think that, like, it does seem weird that a lot of, once you get to a certain level, people take an interest in you that never were interested.

• 40:41Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  You know?

• 40:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:43Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 40:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  People are interested.

• 40:45Joe Rogan?

  Welcome to my world.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  It is strange that people seem to care about you, or what you're saying, or people go, I think your read on that is wrong. And you're like, why do you care what it is? I'm a fucking guy with a talking microphone once or twice a week.

• 41:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they don't like that. They don't like people having influence that haven't been sanctioned.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  They don't like that.

• 41:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they want all influence to be top-down, all influence to be a part of a giant corporation.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:16Joe Rogan?

  That's what they want. They don't want influence to be just regular people. Regular people are fringe, they're far this or far that, they're problematic, they spew misinformation and dis- there's no one who spews more misinformation than CNN. Over the years, how many times you guys, just what you guys did over covid, if you were a podcaster, you'd be shut down.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 41:39Joe Rogan?

  Like if the podcasters were the one telling everybody to get vaxxed, you get it, you won't get, you won't spread it, you want this, you want that, there's no side effects. If podcasters are saying that, but the establishment news was saying, hold on, this is an experimental vaccine. We should not be asking women that who are pregnant to take this. We should be not asking kids who are in no danger to take this. We do not know the long-term consequences. If podcasters were saying that, you know, podcasters were on the government side instead of CNN. If CNN was the wise ones that told everybody to be cautious, they would want us prosecuted. They would be going after us for all the side effects that people are experiencing. You have blood on your hands. You're responsible for strokes and heart attacks and myocarditis and all sorts of autoimmune issues.

• 42:23Speaker 01

  Well, you also have to think about how much easier it is for, let's say, an intelligence community to manipulate them than it is to come in here. Like, an intelligence community is not going to go, alright, let's find-

• 42:32Joe Rogan?

  All they have to do is bring me to the UFOs.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  No, no, no, for sure. You keep telling them that, yes.

• 42:38Joe Rogan?

  That's all you have to do. What do you want me to do?

• 42:40Speaker 01

  It's very easy.

• 42:40Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna go to war with Kosovo? I don't even know where Kosovo is on a map, but if you tell me where the UFOs are, I'll have a guy in here that explains why it's super important we bomb the fuck.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  But it is funny, it's like, what they'd have to do is pick somebody, have them become a comedian, start a podcast, get an audit, like, it is difficult, right? Whereas if you work at a media company, it's very easy to just, some new guys there. Who's this?

• 43:03Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  Oh, you know what I mean?

• 43:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's Mike.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Somebody just shows up, hey Suzanne, Suzanne, run everything by Suzanne.

• 43:10Joe Rogan?

  Hey, how does this guy, Bob Woodward? How does he get the most important, he just, this is his first case?

• 43:16Speaker 01

  Lucky guy.

• 43:17Joe Rogan?

  He gets Watergate?

• 43:18Speaker 01

  Lucky guy.

• 43:19Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, what did he do for Navy Intelligence?

• 43:22Speaker 01

  Right, lucky guy.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  That Watergate thing's so funny because...

• 43:27Joe Rogan?

  But I've been here for thirty years, Mike.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I haven't gotten anything.

• 43:29Joe Rogan?

  Shut the fuck up. Bob's taking this case.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  Bob's taking down Nixon. Who's kept, keeps asking questions about what happened to Kennedy.

• 43:36Joe Rogan?

  Did you see when Bill Murray was here?

• 43:38Speaker 01

  I did, yeah.

• 43:39Joe Rogan?

  Did you see the thing that he said about Wired, the book?

• 43:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. Wait, which one?

• 43:43Joe Rogan?

  Wired is the book on John Belushi. He said, "I read the first five pages and I was like, 'Oh my god.'" They set up Nixon.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  Oh, that's hilarious.

• 43:50Joe Rogan?

  They framed Nixon.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  That's so funny.

• 43:52Joe Rogan?

  This is what he said.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:53Joe Rogan?

  He's like, "If this is what they say, this is what the same guy said about John Belushi, which is 100% not true." Do you know John Belushi was a lightweight?

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:02Joe Rogan?

  He would drink a couple of beers and he'd be fucked up.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:04Joe Rogan?

  He didn't have tolerance. He wasn't this maniacal coke sniffing. It was all lies.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  They don't care at all about getting any accurate information.

• 44:13Joe Rogan?

  That time that he died?

• 44:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:14Joe Rogan?

  It was probably the first time he ever did a speedball, according to Bill Murray.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  Wow, wow.

• 44:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And Bill Murray was one of his best friends.

• 44:19Speaker 01

  Bill Murray knew.

• 44:20Joe Rogan?

  Bill Murray's like, "I've known this guy most of my life."

• 44:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:23Joe Rogan?

  And then there, he goes, "They framed Nixon."

• 44:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:26Joe Rogan?

  And then I told him the whole story that Tucker Carlson had told me.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:29Joe Rogan?

  Which I was like, "What?" That it was all FBI agents and like, the whole thing was a complete sting.

• 44:36Speaker 01

  It was a sloppy burglary where they wanted to get caught. They traced it back to Nixon because Nixon was doing things they hated.

• 44:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is the thing that got Nixon on. I don't know if you know, but what they said to Nixon is they told, if Nixon was not guilty of the crime, but they told Nixon about the crime and then he helped them cover it up. That's how they got him.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:56Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, what is he gonna do?

• 44:57Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 44:58Joe Rogan?

  He thinks this is on the legit and you come to him with the crime, like, "Oh, Jesus Christ. Well, don't fucking tell anybody, Tim." "Jesus Christ, Tim, what did you do? You bugged Cap City?"

• 45:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:08Joe Rogan?

  Fuck.

• 45:09Speaker 01

  They had to get rid, they had to get, they had to get rid of him.

• 45:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna, we're gonna throw our phones in the river.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:18Speaker 01

  Here's what happens now.

• 45:19Joe Rogan?

  Okay, okay, okay, okay. How do we get out of this?

• 45:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:21Joe Rogan?

  Where'd you put the bugs? Can we get, can we break in and take the bugs back?

• 45:24Speaker 01

  That's so funny. They'd be so flattered if you, if we bug Cap City.

• 45:28Joe Rogan?

  I heard they hate us. Somebody told me last night that they hate us. I'm like, "How do you hate me? I love you." "I used to love the old Cap City. If you got headlin, Cap City. If you got headliners and you need them, I'll promote it. I'll promote it on Twitter."

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:41Joe Rogan?

  And same thing with Moon Tower. I heard they're mad at me too because I wouldn't have them at the club. I'm happy to help you. I would happy to help you. I just don't want you to book my club. That's all it is. My club is sold out every night.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:53Joe Rogan?

  And it's guys like you and Shane and Ari and all these. I don't want anybody else booking it. It doesn't mean that I don't support your cause.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 46:02Joe Rogan?

  I just don't want you coming into my establishment. That's all it is. I don't, I want everybody to do well. There's five comedy clubs on my street.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  What you've done, I think, ultimately is good for the town. You bring people into the town.

• 46:16Joe Rogan?

  The problem is when people used to be in control of comedy in the town and then all of a sudden they're not. And they used to be like the person that people would go to and now they're insignificant.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah, I think a lot of people struggle with that.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  The idea of that, that they're, they're, they're losing control. I think that, that seems to be the most, the angriest I've seen people online since the election. That have railed against podcasts and they've railed against. They seem to be angry that they no longer have a monopoly on what people can hear.

• 46:52Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. And they still continue to lie and misrepresent people that do podcasts or people that are on, have a different opinion, say. And that's where it gets really stupid. You know, like they keep saying that, you know, when I had that Daryl Cooper guy on, that I'm bringing on a Nazi apologist and a Holocaust denier. Like that is, neither of those things are true.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:14Joe Rogan?

  It's not true. And the guy doesn't just talk about that. By the way, his, his stuff about Jim Jones is fucking sensational. You know, Jim Jones was like a civil rights leader?

• 47:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:25Joe Rogan?

  Jim Jones had an interracial child.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't know any of that.

• 47:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Jim Jones was like, he would, he had an adopted black child that he would take to school and everybody would be fucking furious at him in the town.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:36Joe Rogan?

  And he was like, he was a legitimate Christian, like a real, I believe in the teachings of Jesus Christian.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  One of the big things in America.

• 47:44Joe Rogan?

  Kooky on that.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 47:45Joe Rogan?

  The meth got him.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  Yes. Listen, there are a lot of people questioning World War II for not good reasons, of course. It's like people that bring up the age of consent. You go, wait a minute.

• 47:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, hey.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  What's going on?

• 47:55Joe Rogan?

  What are you doing?

• 47:58Speaker 01

  There are people, I think, that do launder, uh, not great reasons for questioning World War II through whatever. However.

• 48:06Joe Rogan?

  No doubt.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  No doubt.

• 48:09Speaker 01

  There is a very interesting.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  The teeth really come out, the national teeth come out in this country when you question at all the American war machine.

• 48:20Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 48:21Speaker 01

  And the pageantry of war and the, you know, iconography of the state and of war and of how important it is and how just it always is and how we're always on the right side of it and we're always doing the right thing. And in World War II, we 100% were, but there are a lot of other times when we've made grave errors with our military.

• 48:47Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  And I feel like it's not good enough for, you can't just point to World War II, which is, again, we were correct.

• 48:59Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  But I think there is this idea that if you, it's not an accident there's a million movies made about World War II. It's not an accident that there is a lot of pageantry surrounding World War II.

• 49:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, also that the World War II movies have heroes.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 49:13Joe Rogan?

  Whereas the Vietnam movies are apocalypse now.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 49:16Joe Rogan?

  Everything's complicated and it's all chaos.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  So I think that inspires the idea that a military solution is always correct and that the use of force is always the right way to do it and that coincidentally makes people lots and lots of money and their children never end up fighting those wars.

• 49:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 49:34Speaker 01

  That seems to be a lot of it. Now, that doesn't mean that there aren't people with bad motivations that are genuinely anti-Semitic or that genuinely have fascist inclinations or absolutely are, but I think there needs to be space to criticize the mythologizing of war in general and the justification for endless wars all the time.

• 49:57Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  Like Iran, I hope Trump does not go into Iran.

• 50:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  That seems like a very bad idea.

• 50:02Joe Rogan?

  It also seems like a very bad idea for Iran to get nuclear weapons. That seems bad, too.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  Yes, but I think there's ways to prevent that without a regime change war. This is what we have to do. This is what Tulsi Gabbard, I think, was very attractive about a lot of what she said during her confirmation hearing. She goes, "I understand that there are terrorists out there that are dangerous, but we gotta find..." way to deal with them without committing troops to stand there on in an Islamic country. We've done this.

• 50:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:27Speaker 01

  We saw this movie.

• 50:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:29Speaker 01

  It doesn't work out.

• 50:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  You know, and I think we have to stop thinking that it's going to be better this time. If we decapitate the head of a foreign government and we have American soldiers in an Islamic country trying to set up a provisional government, the nightmare of that during Iraq, Paul Bremer, this weird British looking guy that they sent to stand on that rebel rubble with his boots and you know, the mission accomplished on the aircraft carrier like it brings back like, you know, to me, it's like I get flashbacks from it.

• 50:59Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember the guy who was the Iraqi, uh, public relations guy who was saying that they're winning the war?

• 51:05Speaker 01

  Was it, was it Akhmat Chalabi? Well, no, that was the guy that fed us all the bullshit to get us in.

• 51:09Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. It was the guy that they, the people openly mocked. I believe he had glasses and he was the guy that was always saying that Iraq is kicking ass.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  Oh, interesting. No.

• 51:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Baghdad something or other, they called him.

• 51:22Speaker 01

  And he was saying that we were doing good?

• 51:24Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no.

• 51:25Speaker 01

  That we were good?

• 51:25Joe Rogan?

  He was saying that Iraq is kicking our ass.

• 51:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:29Joe Rogan?

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• 53:39Speaker 01

  Well, that's hilarious. No, I don't remember that.

• 53:42Joe Rogan?

  Baghdad something or another, they call them.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  By the way, does anyone know what's going on in Iraq right now?

• 53:47Joe Rogan?

  Mostly flea markets.

• 53:48Speaker 01

  If there was a gun to my head, I could not tell you what the state of Iraq was. I know the Taliban are in Afghanistan. What's going on in Iraq?

• 53:57Joe Rogan?

  Listen, listen, listen, you hear that? Ready? That's a gay guy that threw off a roof.

• 54:02Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 54:04Joe Rogan?

  That's a 20-year, you know, commitment. Or it was a very long time.

• 54:11Speaker 01

  Right. So that's like, I feel like that's the, that's the thing. That when you ever try to have a nuanced understanding of what we can and can't do. I don't think it's a great idea that Iran gets nuclear weapons. It seems like there are ways to prevent that.

• 54:26Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna make ISIS in charge.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  Full-scale invasion. But don't we need these? Like, I think, like, I always look at these groups, like the Houthis and stuff. We need these people.

• 54:36Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  We need them. And the Houthis are a fun one, because they're like on the ocean, and they're like pirates.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  This is new. They figured out that like land based stuff's not as interesting. They're like, they're disrupting trade. You know how much of our trade goes through? It's 3%.

• 54:54Joe Rogan?

  Hey.

• 54:54Speaker 01

  3% trade.

• 54:56Joe Rogan?

  Don't minimize that. Just like I don't want you minimizing the female astronauts.

• 54:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, but we need these Houthis. It feels like we need these groups. We had ISIS, we had then ISIL. Now, you know, we had the people in Syria. I forget their names, something, but we need these little groups. And this is what we do. We just choose, because all of these groups are not even, they're just people hanging out. And then we give them weapons and get them going. They're just guys in a bar. A lot of these groups are guys in a bar in Syria.

• 55:27Joe Rogan?

  Some of them don't even have a bar. They have a hole in the ground.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  They're sitting a hole in the ground and we, we show up and we start arming them and giving them stuff. And it's like, it's like that Bill Hicks joke where it's like, pick up the gun, you know, for him, especially it's like, are the Houthis an existential threat to the United States? That feels crazy.

• 55:46Joe Rogan?

  The craziest thing was-

• 55:46Speaker 01

  Just feels insane.

• 55:48Joe Rogan?

  Trump showing the video of them getting bombed?

• 55:51Speaker 01

  Oh yeah.

• 55:52Joe Rogan?

  It's so wild.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  We could kill all, this is the problem. We could get rid of all of these threats in five minutes. But we don't seem to want to.

• 56:01Joe Rogan?

  It's not good for business.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  No, we gotta keep, gotta keep someone out there.

• 56:04Joe Rogan?

  It's like you can't come to a market every week. You'll burn it out.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  No, the Houthis are good. I-

• 56:08Joe Rogan?

  If you're doing stand-up, you gotta go once a year.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  You gotta go once a year, once every 18 months. And I like the Houthis because it, they feel, it's like a new, but they're not sticking. It's not, no one's believing it. So now they're back to Hezbollah.

• 56:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  Hezbollah wears the fatigues.

• 56:22Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 56:23Speaker 01

  If you get up Hezbollah, they're scary looking. The Houthis are not that scary. The Houthis look like a bunch of dudes in like a bazaar, like you said, like in a flea market. That they're on a boat, they're holding up guns, no one cares. Hezbollah looks genuinely like, okay. Let's not fuck with these people.

• 56:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's like Shane's bit about the Iraqis or the Afghans.

• 56:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 56:42Joe Rogan?

  Going through the fucking, the workouts.

• 56:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 56:45Joe Rogan?

  Like, we'd think they're like an elite army.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  Oh god, yeah.

• 56:49Joe Rogan?

  They couldn't do jumping jacks.

• 56:52Speaker 01

  But that's the whole thing. It's like, it's this weird global chessboard of like, we, you know, as someone said to me once, that there's like a dial, you turn it out, be like, more war? Less war?

• 57:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  More war? Less war. I'm gonna see right now if smelling salts are good for allergies.

• 57:07Joe Rogan?

  Have you gotten any of the allergies out here?

• 57:08Speaker 01

  No! I don't get it.

• 57:10Joe Rogan?

  My first year of legitimately getting them.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  Cedar fever?

• 57:17Speaker 01

  I think you gotta do cocaine.

• 57:20Speaker 02

  They make allergy medicine, too? Yeah, that's no fun.

• 57:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe Zertac or something.

• 57:25Speaker 02

  That's no fun.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  What is it, the cedar?

• 57:28Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what it is.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  I think it's, people say cedar fever.

• 57:31Joe Rogan?

  But my nose been running and...

• 57:32Speaker 02

  Did you hear this story at all?

• 57:33Joe Rogan?

  Blink 182, Mark Hopper actually might have helped the military capture Saddam Hussein. What?

• 57:37Speaker 02

  So they were on a USO tour in 2003, and they got asked to come in and do like a private show, and he sat down, it's like, isn't here.

• 57:46Joe Rogan?

  Said, "Sir, I have a plan to catch Saddam Hussein," the musician recalled telling a Navy Admiral on board the aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf. According to Hoppus, Hussein had been sending video messages to his followers from an unknown location at the time. The musician felt that the military could use drones to their advantage and uncover his location by pulling data from the video messages. "Sir, what about having drones fly all over the region and carpeting patterns, broadcasting time codes above the level of human hearing, but at the level that a video recording would catch it?" Hope it suggested to the Admiral. Then the next time he releases one of his videos, you could listen to it, pull the ultrasonic data, and triangulate the drones you have flying all over. Holy shit!

• 58:28Speaker 01

  This is the guy from Blink 182?

• 58:30Speaker 02

  I think his dad was in the military.

• 58:32Speaker 01

  Someone was in something, man.

• 58:34Speaker 02

  He knew, yeah.

• 58:34Joe Rogan?

  Okay, this brings me back to that fucking Strange Times in Laurel Canyon shit.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  Yeah!

• 58:40Joe Rogan?

  Four months later, Saddam was located and captured in Iraq, so you're welcome, everyone.

• 58:44Speaker 01

  What a great book! That, well, not only the Tom O'Neill book, but then this Dave McGowan book, Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon. I lived up there when I was living in LA, I lived up there, and it, I'm telling you, that is the creepiest vibe of any area that I've ever been to in my life.

• 58:57Joe Rogan?

  It's a weird vibe.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  They have that fucking military installation, that lookout mountain.

• 59:01Joe Rogan?

  Jared Leto owns that. He lives there now.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  Doesn't he have a whole cult? Okay.

• 59:06Joe Rogan?

  He's a good guy.

• 59:07Speaker 01

  I'm sure he is. I'm not saying it's bad to have a cult.

• 59:10Joe Rogan?

  They tried to investigate his cult.

• 59:11Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 59:12Joe Rogan?

  It turns out it's not really. It's just a bunch of people having fun.

• 59:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that.

• 59:16Joe Rogan?

  There's no requirements. There's no, no one asks you to fuck them. There's no, nothing happens.

• 59:20Speaker 01

  It's a, it's a voluntary fuck cult.

• 59:23Joe Rogan?

  It's not even voluntary fuck cult. It's just, they get together and dance or something. I don't know what they do.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  I lived there for three years. I didn't get one text. I had not one. I used to drive by and point at it and go, look, it's the thing.

• 59:36Joe Rogan?

  What do they do? What does Jarrett Little's?

• 59:38Speaker 02

  It's like a summer camp. They call it like Echelon.

• 59:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  It's a summer camp.

• 59:42Speaker 02

  They go watch the band play close up.

• 59:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, what the fuck's the problem with that, Tim? How about Tim Dillon Fest?

• 59:47Speaker 01

  I have no problem with that.

• 59:48Joe Rogan?

  It's basically Skank Fest.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  Just a bunch of people eating shellfish in Long Island being racist?

• 59:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. I have no issue with that at all.

• 59:59Joe Rogan?

  What a fun time though for us.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:02Joe Rogan?

  Cause everything's just talk, I mean, there's just so much stuff to talk about. Everything's nuts. Nothing makes sense.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  You know, I was on the All In Podcast the other day and they were talking about, um, these chips, these Nvidia chips and how, what's interesting is people are setting up, cause we have these export controls that don't allow us to send certain chips to China, cause they're able to like manipulate them.

• 1:00:22Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  And then become like the world's largest semiconductor producer. But now all these fun fake companies are starting in like Bhutan or Cambodia and they're buying the chips. Or Singapore and then they all get back to China.

• 1:00:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, the, the, one of the guys who worked at whatever the

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:40Joe Rogan?

  Preeminent, preeminent AI system in China was saying, one of the whistleblowers was saying that they have 50,000 of these fucking banned chips.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  That's so wild.

• 1:00:50Joe Rogan?

  Whoopsies.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  And so they're, they're, they were talking about like, is it better to send them the chips? Or is it better to, if you didn't, if you don't send them the chips, then it spurs their innovation and they make the chips?

• 1:00:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, either way, they're gonna get the chips.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're getting the chips.

• 1:01:03Joe Rogan?

  They're both innovating and stealing at the same time.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  Can there be anything done to stop their rise?

• 1:01:08Joe Rogan?

  Nah, not at this point.

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  Doesn't feel like it, right?

• 1:01:11Joe Rogan?

  They're so much more technologically advanced in so many different areas now. Like, the drones that they have are so superior to the commercial drones that we have. Because drones over here, you have to have a pilot's license to drive the really spicy ones.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  Do you think some of those drones over New Jersey were theirs?

• 1:01:29Joe Rogan?

  Could be. I think they were ours. I honestly do. Otherwise, I think they would have shot them down if they could. Um, I don't know if they could. And maybe they wouldn't, because then it would alarm people. Because then it would like, you would show that that is a legitimate threat.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  We're fighting for like satellite supremacy in the sky, too. That's crazy.

• 1:01:47Joe Rogan?

  Crazy. The internet, the Starlink, I mean, essentially Elon's launching Starlinks all over the fucking world.

• 1:01:53Speaker 01

  Do you worry at all about the tech people being Democrats up until five minutes ago?

• 1:01:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you should, but I think a lot of those people have shifted sides. They've shifted sides because they understand that, well, you know, I had Marc Andreessen in here. And Marc Andreessen was explaining, he said, "The most terrifying meetings we ever had was when we were part of an AI startup and the government came in and said, 'We're not gonna let you do this. Not only are we not gonna let you do this, we're not gonna let anybody do this. We're gonna have a small amount of these things, we're gonna completely control them.'" He was like, "What the fuck? Like, you guys are really openly saying this. That you're gonna inhibit innovation at the highest level of technology. Some shit that you probably don't even understand, but you wanna have absolute control over it."

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  I think the worry is that people don't trust the government, nor should they. But I don't know if they trust these tech guys either.

• 1:02:42Joe Rogan?

  You shouldn't. You shouldn't. Look what's going on with OpenAI.

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  That's the whole thing. I think that people are wary of the tech people because they've now, these were the same people that were censoring and kicking people off the internet. When the people in the White House were blue.

• 1:02:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  And now that the people in the White House are red, they are, it's swung back the other way.

• 1:03:01Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  So I think people are a little wary of that. They don't know where that goes.

• 1:03:05Joe Rogan?

  It's just power. It's just, it's just, I mean... Like Bernie Sanders is right in that you should be scared of oligarchs and oligarchs shouldn't be running our government. He's right in that regard. And when people get into positions of just unchecked power. So let's say if someone had control of some tech company, let's say it's an AI company and that AI company literally creates the unstoppable AI that helps empower the entire country and this one guy's in control and he's worth three trillion dollars now. And he decides to lobby and change a bunch of laws and influence politicians and his company starts donating to certain politicians.

• 1:03:47Joe Rogan?

  You could change the fabric of society with enough money and enough power and enough influence. Especially if you could completely control what the narrative is.

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:03:57Joe Rogan?

  In terms of like when people Google things, when they search things, when they talk about things. You can completely control what they're allowed to talk about and how that narrative gets countered instantly with facts and bullshit and.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:11Joe Rogan?

  You can just.

• 1:04:12Speaker 01

  Well, it's being done everywhere, right? So it's being done at the highest levels. And I think people are uncomfortable with just losing, even though a lot of them realize that we didn't have a ton of control. They feel like, I think when you head into the world of tech where people just don't even know.

• 1:04:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:04:34Speaker 01

  Where this goes, where does it go? Does it go to transhumanism? Does it go to like AI replacing everybody? And then at what point? What do you do with those people that AI replaced? Do you give them all cryptocurrency that's linked to their biological whatever? Do you? I've heard all these ideas, right? Like, how do you deal with driverless cars where if the entire road is automated? How do you deal with that? I think that fills people with an anxiety where they go, what is the plan? And a lot of these tech guys are like, well, we gotta get off the planet. And I think people start going like, wait, you know, like.

• 1:05:08Joe Rogan?

  That's Weinstein. Eric Weinstein.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  Well, it's a lot of people. There's a lot of people saying that.

• 1:05:12Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what you're saying.

• 1:05:13Speaker 01

  There's a lot of people.

• 1:05:14Joe Rogan?

  There's no air on Mars. Like, let's not go there.

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, for sure, for sure. Do you think Trump and Musk will have a falling out eventually?

• 1:05:23Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. It's a good question. The media keeps trying to push that they are.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  It feels like they're just big personalities and that there's an inevitability when you have two guys that are incredibly, you know.

• 1:05:36Joe Rogan?

  Perhaps, but Elon is very smart and you see he's always very deferential.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:43Joe Rogan?

  And then he's always very respectful. Mr. President, it's always that.

• 1:05:47Speaker 01

  Well, of course, yeah.

• 1:05:48Joe Rogan?

  That's how I treat him. I always call him sir. It, it, it's Donald Trump. Yeah, I get it. You're fired. I get it. But he's also the president of the United States. I call him sir. But I call everybody sir.

• 1:05:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:59Joe Rogan?

  I call everybody sir.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:00Joe Rogan?

  It's like the byproduct of me living in Texas now.

• 1:06:03Speaker 01

  Right. Sure.

• 1:06:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but um, I don't know if they're gonna.

• 1:06:06Speaker 01

  You don't get pulled over anymore here.

• 1:06:08Joe Rogan?

  And if I do, it's not that big of a deal.

• 1:06:10Speaker 01

  If you get pulled over here, a cop gives you money.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  They go, Mr. Rogan, here's a check. I mean, there's no way. There's no law that you cannot break here. I'm guaranteeing you.

• 1:06:22Joe Rogan?

  I don't think that's correct.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  I think you could do a lot. I think they would, you would, they would cover up a murder.

• 1:06:28Joe Rogan?

  That's sweet.

• 1:06:28Speaker 01

  If you murdered three people, I think the awesome PD would go, whatever, man. He's doing a lot. They bring that mayor, that guy, and he'd go, what? They go, yeah, the suspect's Joe Rogan. He was standing over the bodies. They'd go, are you out of your fucking mind? Drive him home right now. Drive that man home.

• 1:06:46Joe Rogan?

  If I was in waist deep in Rainy Street.

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:06:49Joe Rogan?

  Drowning a partygoer.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  They don't care.

• 1:06:53Joe Rogan?

  Bro, they still don't want to admit that there's a serial killer.

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  You're the tourism board. Um, yeah, no, there, there's something's up.

• 1:06:59Joe Rogan?

  There's a serial killer.

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  Something's going on.

• 1:07:01Joe Rogan?

  I believe there's a serial killer.

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  And what are they doing? They're luring people to that bridge and then?

• 1:07:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not hard. People like to go to the bridge. You just gotta look out for the bushes.

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  So weird. I guess it's such a high to kill someone. It's so, to me, I'm like, what do you get out of it? But I guess the people that are doing it like it.

• 1:07:15Joe Rogan?

  They're broken. There's broken people. Some broken people do meth and some broken people drown guys who like to party.

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  Do you ever talk to like, I'm sure you have, this is stupid question, but like the high level law enforcement guys that have just met these monsters and stuff?

• 1:07:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  And i- is there, is there? Do they believe that it's like, is there any part of them that believe someone's just born?

• 1:07:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 1:07:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:39Joe Rogan?

  And it's generally, you have psychotic parents. And so it's, was it, whether it's nature or nurture is hard to separate because you're probably abused. And generally, at an early age, they show like a willingness to torture like house pets and stuff like that.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  Animals.

• 1:07:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, they'll maybe start off with a frog they catch and stick a, like a firecracker in its mouth.

• 1:08:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:02Joe Rogan?

  Stuff like that. And then they eventually work their way up to humans.

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  Now it seems so much harder to do it because of these phones.

• 1:08:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  Surveillance.

• 1:08:10Joe Rogan?

  It's, it is, but it's.

• 1:08:12Speaker 01

  You can still do it.

• 1:08:13Joe Rogan?

  Not in Austin. You can get away with drowning folks.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  You can drown people. Why don't you think they'll admit it? They don't want people getting spooked?

• 1:08:20Joe Rogan?

  It's a good question. It's a good question. Maybe, um, maybe I'm wrong.

• 1:08:24Speaker 01

  I mean, one of the biggest things ever in Austin were those crazy yogurt shop murders. HBO just came out with a documentary about them. Was many years ago, this crazy yogurt shop murder thing, HBO just did a doc, happened in Austin. It was like a famous case and they, it's completely unsolved, except they put some people in jail for it, but then later let one of them out. Like it was just one of those things where nobody was sure about what happened.

• 1:08:47Joe Rogan?

  So they were murdering people that went to the yogurt place?

• 1:08:49Speaker 01

  It was 1991 and it just, South by Southwest, they just did a huge.

• 1:08:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it was one homicide. A quadruple homicide which took place at, I can't believe it's yogurt shop in Austin.

• 1:09:02Speaker 01

  That could have been me in 1991.

• 1:09:05Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  It's a.

• 1:09:07Joe Rogan?

  Thirty-four years ago.

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  Thirty-four years ago. It's an underbelly.

• 1:09:10Joe Rogan?

  Fourteen girls were murdered in Austin.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  Fourteen, yeah.

• 1:09:14Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:09:16Speaker 01

  And it's puzzled, they don't know. It's an unsolved murder.

• 1:09:21Joe Rogan?

  I checked the boyfriends.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  And there's many different theories about it.

• 1:09:26Joe Rogan?

  Wow. That's crazy. Four men were arrested and charged with capital murder in 99, but two of their cases were overturned. The other two never went to trial. Wow. Interesting.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  So there are these things that happen.

• 1:09:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Well, that's what they say that if you just randomly shoot someone and kill them. Like if you're a real, real like rando, like, did you ever see that movie Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer?

• 1:09:49Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:09:49Joe Rogan?

  It was about a guy named Henry Lee Lucas.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:09:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and Henry Lee Lucas was attributed, they attributed like sixty-two murders to him. The problem is, I think one of the things cops do is they go, uh, did you kill this guy? Yeah, I killed him too. Where'd you bury him? Where was he buried? Oh, that's where I buried him.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:10:09Joe Rogan?

  That kind of thing. Now you got, now you got a case solved. That was, that was the accusation about Henry, because he was definitely a murderer and a grifter and a, a drifter. And he was traveling around the country stealing things and, but then they, um, made a movie about him. And then the movie, he, it's like, he's way more sinister and calculated and, but he would just randomly kill people.

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  So they, they all take credit for things they didn't do.

• 1:10:31Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  To just beef up the body count.

• 1:10:33Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. So, because that's what they want. They want attention. They're already in jail.

• 1:10:37Speaker 01

  That's so wild.

• 1:10:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:39Joe Rogan?

  That's a, uh, when you have shitty DAs and shitty prosecutors and shitty cops, they'll do stuff like that.

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  Do you think that there are people that are, you know, national parks seem to be like a hotbed of people disappearing?

• 1:10:54Joe Rogan?

  You know, Appalachian Trail people, yeah.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, do you think that's people getting you or is that a lot of it like, I got lost, I got eaten?

• 1:11:01Joe Rogan?

  You get lost.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:02Joe Rogan?

  You get eaten. There's a guy who has this whole series, uh, four one, is it nine one one missing? Or four one one, missing people in national parks? Listen, man, you're just meat out there and you get eaten. And by the way, you don't find dead anything out there. You don't find dead mountain lions. Guess what? They die all the time. I've never seen a dead mountain lion when I was hunting.

• 1:11:23Speaker 01

  Because they, they get eaten.

• 1:11:25Joe Rogan?

  They get eaten. Everything gets, you get, not only do you get eaten, your bones get eaten. Everything gets eaten. It's... So it's not uncommon to disappear and there's no trace. No trace. Yeah. Yeah, super common. So if you're in a, a high-traffic area, like I've, um, hunting, I've found elk bones where a hunter killed the elk and then, you know, took all the meat off the bones and then left the bones there. That's, that's what you do when you pack out meat. Yeah. And I've found those, those animals. I actually even found one animal that I shot a long time ago. I shot like four years ago. And you found it? Yeah, we were in the same location. It was the same bones. There wasn't all the bones there left. Right. Some of them had been dragged away. Some of them have probably been eaten by rodents. You know, they, they eat the bones.

• 1:12:10Joe Rogan?

  Slowly but surely. And if you're a human, you're made out of nothing. You're so easy to eat. Right. You know, like our bones are less dense, our, our meat is soft and chewy. Yeah. You know, like we get devoured. A bear would eat your whole body. There would be almost nothing left and rodents would eat what's left. Yeah. You gotta be careful in those places. You can't be careful. Like if you don't have a GPS navigation system that has a lot of batteries, if you don't have a compass, have a compass and know how to use it, if you don't have a map, it's so easy to get lost in the woods. Right. It's so easy. Yeah. They're all around you and you can go in one direction and circle around. You don't even realize you're circling. Right. And then three days later, you're back to where you started. You're like, fucking no!

• 1:12:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's terrible. You've been eating tree bark for three days and you're thinking, any step, I'm gonna see the highway. What a horrible thing. People die like that all. All the time. All the time. Just go to a hotel. It's very difficult to navigate yourself. Just go to a resort. If you don't know the woods, you're not used to being in the woods and you're not used to having landmarks that you follow and know how to use a compass, know how to use a GPS. Some people are good at it and even they get eaten. Yeah, they get eaten too. Well, you break your ankle. Right. How about you break your ankle out there and you, you can't hike out. It's not possible. Right. What do you do? Yeah. You fucking die. That's what you do. Gotta be very careful. And then you hear something at night. You're sleeping under a tree and you hear something at night.

• 1:13:38Joe Rogan?

  You had a bear sniffing you. It's crazy. You can't run away and you don't have a weapon. You can't do anything. It just eats you alive. And those woods are so dense in the Pacific Northwest and stuff like that. I mean, and everywhere, but. Especially the Pacific Northwest. Especially there, it's like crazy. Yeah, you don't find nothing out there. But that's why the Bigfoot rumor persists up there. It's because the woods are like a box of Q-tips. Right. You know, like you can't see shit out there. You don't know what the hell's going on. You see like a little shadow moving in between trees and you've decided it's a Bigfoot. Right. Yeah. But it's just like. A bear. It could be, right. Yeah, it's most likely a bear. Especially bears walking on two legs. Northern California is weird like that too. I mean, that's part of the Pacific Northwest problem. This episode is brought to you by LifeLock. Scams have gotten smarter because criminals use AI to flood you with fake texts,

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• 1:15:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you get killed up there.

• 1:15:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:46Joe Rogan?

  People die up there all the time. Did you ever see that documentary Sasquatch?

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:15:51Joe Rogan?

  It's a documentary that was on Hulu, Jamie? We had the director and the guy who created it, it was awesome. And what it's really about is about marijuana growers murdered a guy and then blamed it on Bigfoot.

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:16:05Joe Rogan?

  So, these marijuana growers in Humboldt, like that, up that area. So, they all were hippies, right? And then, they started growing weed and then cartel people moved in and gangs moved in. And they started robbing these people. So, these people became heavily armed. And then they started having wars with like the growers and cartel people. And so, there was these people that were trying to steal from them, they murdered these people and then they blamed it on Bigfoot. They like ran over him with a fucking backhoe and crushed his body.

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  These hippies are really violent.

• 1:16:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they get violent once it's money.

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  These hippies are junkies and, you know, like this whole hippie thing I think is kind of a lie.

• 1:16:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, they all become people with money.

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:16:46Joe Rogan?

  If you're growing weed. You become a multimillionaire who's carrying a sidearm. Okay? And you're gonna protect your money. And then these people are trying to kill you to take your shit. So, then you're like fucking Jason whatever his name is in Ozark.

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  Right. Jason Bateman.

• 1:17:01Joe Rogan?

  Jason Bateman. Yeah. And now you're a drug dealer.

• 1:17:04Speaker 01

  That's so funny. It's so funny, the weird like marijuana where it's like it's federally still illegal. But like states, it's legal in certain states.

• 1:17:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  And there's that gray area where there's just like, you have half of that business is like in the shadows and half of it's and people making lots of money. It's strange.

• 1:17:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, not only that, because California made it legal, they also made it a misdemeanor to grow it illegally. Right? So, what happens is these cartels started growing it on national forest land. And so, then game wardens started finding it. There's a guy named John Norris, who's been on the podcast before. He wrote a book called Hidden War.

• 1:17:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:41Joe Rogan?

  And it was all about, he was a game warden and he became a part of a tactical crew that was busting cartel members who were heavily armed growing marijuana in national forests.

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  No, that's crazy.

• 1:17:52Joe Rogan?

  Fuck it.

• 1:17:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:53Joe Rogan?

  Because they, most of the illegal weed that's been sold all over the country was being grown there. So in the places where it is illegal, they grow it where it's legal, and if they get busted, it's just a misdemeanor.

• 1:18:04Speaker 01

  So it doesn't matter?

• 1:18:05Joe Rogan?

  And they're not gonna deport anybody, because California's a sanctuary state.

• 1:18:08Speaker 01

  Right, so it doesn't matter how many acres and acres of weed.

• 1:18:11Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:13Joe Rogan?

  And so because it's federally illegal, it's just like when there was the prohibition that propped up organized crime. Same thing. You've just propped up illegal businesses to sell something that has a demand that normal...

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  Do you think weed's gonna be federally legal?

• 1:18:29Joe Rogan?

  If I had to guess, not during this administration.

• 1:18:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:31Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't think, I think...

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  No, it feels like a lot of the, you know, like, the experimental harm reduction policies in places like Portland are going the other way.

• 1:18:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, they went a little crazy in a place that was already crazy.

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, they had a woman driving around shooting people up, called the stabbing wagon, and she was like, if somebody needed, if somebody needed a fix, she'd like pull up and gi- give them clean needles and stuff, and...

• 1:18:52Joe Rogan?

  Is it really called the stabbing wagon?

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  It was called the stabbing wagon, and...

• 1:18:54Joe Rogan?

  For real?

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you're stabbing. And if you're just tweeting...

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  No, this is like a way to help.

• 1:19:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Portland.

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  This was a way to help people.

• 1:19:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Portland, you're so beautiful.

• 1:19:03Speaker 01

  And people would just be chilling and like, "Hey, I need a couple of clean needles." So this woman would just show up, there'd be like a bunch of junkies hanging out. She'd show up, she'd hop out of the stabbing wagon with a bunch of clean needles, hand them out, people like, "Fuck yeah, good to see you."

• 1:19:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  And she's like, "Fuck yeah, I hope you're all doing good." And they're like, "Well, you know how it is."

• 1:19:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  And the problem was, that didn't work.

• 1:19:26Joe Rogan?

  Not only did it not work, it encouraged people to move there to shoot up.

• 1:19:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, actually, that's true. So people started moving there because they're like, "This is actually a pretty good deal." They don't care if you live on the street, and there's this bitch in a van that shows up with clean needles.

• 1:19:40Joe Rogan?

  And they give you money.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, and whatever you need.

• 1:19:43Joe Rogan?

  They give you free money and food.

• 1:19:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Here it is, the stabbing wagon.

• 1:19:46Speaker 01

  Stabbing wagon. Harm reduction. No, I mean, it's real.

• 1:19:49Joe Rogan?

  She only has 4,000 followers, that's fucked. Hit that follow, Jamie, hit a little follow on her.

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  There you go, look at the stab- there's a stabbing wagon.

• 1:19:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, at least she's healthy.

• 1:19:58Speaker 01

  It's the stabbing wagon. Okay, makes sense. So, at the end of the day, it's like, that, that seems like a good way to combat drug use is to have a van of drugs. That van got a 1.5 million dollar grant. Did you see that? Did you see that in the previous article? Of course. 1.5 million dollar grant. Well, because they're trying to help people. Get high. They're trying to help people get high in a safe way. Bro, where she parked that van? That's what I need to know. I mean, it's a good question. She probably lived in the burbs and then came in and then did what she needed to do. She doesn't look like a burbs lady. Well, that's a good point. Well, you know those weird, the north, those, those, the Pacific Northwest suburbs, a lot of them aren't my burbs. The ones that I like. Very odd. Those people are... It's different. They're like people that live outside of Chernobyl. Yeah. They're forever changed.

• 1:20:43Speaker 01

  It's, it's different. There's not a lot of sun up there. Something's going on. Bad DNA, damage. What was funny is like, there was a big article where they were like, yeah, this is actually like, what's crazy is like, you read about those cities, right? Like Portland, San Francisco, they'll do the craziest thing ever and then like, two years later, they'll start going like, "Yeah, this just is not having the results that we thought it would have." Like, this is, drug use is up, crime is up, violence is up. So, Santa Monica now is doing a curfew because there's been violent crimes at night. No way. They're thinking about doing a curfew in Santa Monica. So, again, because... Santa Monica. Yes, Santa Monica's thinking about doing a curfew because there's like violent crimes. So, instead of just going like, "Okay, we gotta throw these people in jail," like, "It's 9 o'clock, go home."

• 1:21:31Speaker 01

  This is California. This is the, the biggest economy in our country and you're thinking of having a curfew because they're all out of ideas on how to like, stop people from like, being victims of violent crime. Bro, I've got friends who can't sell their houses there. No, it's bad. I'm glad I got, I sold my house when it did. Nobody wants to buy houses there anymore. Nobody wants to buy houses there. They're like, "We're getting out." Everybody who's not out is at least thinking about it. Uber-rich people are, um, a lot of them are just keeping their houses because they can't get the money they want. So like, people that are like in Bel Air, those crazy things, right?

• 1:22:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  Beverly Hills, Bel Air, these behemoths. They're just kinda like, just leave it.

• 1:22:12Joe Rogan?

  You gotta hope that like, there's some crazy celebrity rapper guy, like Kendrick Lamar decides to buy a mansion.

• 1:22:18Speaker 01

  Well, you also-

• 1:22:19Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like, if you're selling a seventy million dollar house, you have like, five people that'll buy it.

• 1:22:23Speaker 01

  You also gotta hope that they, they elect Rick Caruso and he goes around California in a tank.

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  With a bunch of guys in bazookas and it's like, the craziest thing you've ever seen. That's all you can hope for.

• 1:22:42Joe Rogan?

  You need like, a Rudy Giuliani type character.

• 1:22:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, you need, you need Sergeant Slaughter from the old WWF.

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  You need a fully fascist, you need a guy to run as a fascist. When they go, are you a Republican? He goes, "No, no, no, no, no. I am a fascist? This is a military dictatorship." You need four years of a military dictatorship in California to just turn it around. To just start steering it the other way.

• 1:23:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's moving red. That's one thing that you saw through by the electoral map from 2024. California is moving red.

• 1:23:21Speaker 01

  It's going red.

• 1:23:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:23Speaker 01

  There's always so many times, you can wake up in a four million dollar house with a gun in your mouth.

• 1:23:32Speaker 01

  Before, you start thinking differently about it, you know?

• 1:23:39Joe Rogan?

  Did you see they were trying to pass laws where they're, they're deciding how much violence is enough violence? If someone breaks in your house, like, you shoot them too many times?

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:23:48Joe Rogan?

  You know, in the middle of being terrified, you're like, "Oh!"

• 1:23:52Speaker 01

  They will always take the side of the people that are trying to destroy civilization. Always.

• 1:23:58Joe Rogan?

  Do you think, that when you don your tinfoil hat and, and Velcro the chin strap, do you think that this is a grand plan to destroy civilization?

• 1:24:08Speaker 01

  I think what you have, I don't know if it's a grand plan, but I think what you have is you have two things that are happening simultaneously. You have, uh-

• 1:24:20Speaker 01

  The people, the very, the last people that seem to wanna be in politics are people that believe in like, nothing. They're like, empty suit, Gavin Newsom types, who just really don't seem, they just, whatever room they're in.

• 1:24:36Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, have you seen his podcast?

• 1:24:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, that proves my point. That proves my point now, right?

• 1:24:40Joe Rogan?

  He's a believer.

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  So now, he's like, "Oh, things are going right, I'll go to the right. Things are going to the left, I'll go to the left." So you have like, these people that just don't, they will not, like, Sanders, or Trump, whatever you think about them, they're not gonna like, quote, "Stand on business." They're not gonna tell people, "Here's where I'm at, this is the way I feel." They're just empty vessels. And then, at the same time you have that happening, you have the craziest people in the world, that somehow have gotten hold of a ton of money, and a ton of influence on social media, and those empty suit politicians are like, scared of these lunatics that believe the craziest things you've ever heard.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  So, these politicians are just like, taking edicts from these crazy people online, who tell them that we need the stabbing wagon, and we need all this stuff. I don't, I don't know how that happened, that somebody should, should look at that, how that happened, and, and study it. And I think it's, a lot of these politicians are deeply corrupt, and I think they're terribly afraid of whatever corruption they're involved with coming to the surface. And it could be personal, in their personal life, it could be with the state, I think, you know, the mismanagement of money, of resources, all of that stuff. So, if I was a really corrupt politician, I would just do the craziest left-wing shit, so that I could never be accused of anything.

• 1:26:07Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, good move.

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  And I would just let them do whatever the hell they want. I'd go, "Yeah, well, fuck it, whatever, what, we got a new law that says, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, they gotta draw blood in your house from you, before you can defend yourself."

• 1:26:18Joe Rogan?

  We need a rapper.

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:20Joe Rogan?

  Rappers are the last people in this country that can kinda get away with almost anything.

• 1:26:24Speaker 01

  Well, rappers are honest. A lot of them, even though they might lie about how much money they have and stuff, they do, there's a certain honesty to that genre of music.

• 1:26:33Joe Rogan?

  Clearly, you can go too far, like P. Diddy.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  You can go too far. But he wasn't super honest. He seemed to be concealing a bit.

• 1:26:40Joe Rogan?

  He seemed to be.

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:42Joe Rogan?

  Do you think he was working for somebody? Or working with somebody, or do you think it was all his own personal?

• 1:26:46Speaker 01

  If the CIA was like, we can't really, we don't really know anything about like these, the, this world of like, you know, that's not what we do. We're like a bunch of Harvard guys and we have these fucking weirdos that we, we know about how to get in with like our people, but we need someone who was like a black guy to do it. It could have been P Diddy.

• 1:27:06Joe Rogan?

  But didn't all the accusations come out after he was involved in a lawsuit with Syrah? Like he was trying-

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  That's what people said, yeah.

• 1:27:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's where it gets interesting, right?

• 1:27:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's gonna be-

• 1:27:18Joe Rogan?

  You gotta be very careful when you start fucking around with people's billions.

• 1:27:22Speaker 01

  Big, powerful billionaires are probably, they're their own governments.

• 1:27:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:29Speaker 01

  So I mean, when you run afoul of them, I think there's many ways at which they can get you.

• 1:27:35Joe Rogan?

  Also, they feel like they pay so much money for taxes.

• 1:27:39Speaker 01

  I think that's, that's, a lot of these intelligence agencies are working for those people. They're not, I think, on their own. There are, there's big money to be made. And there's a lot, the people that own these companies and have been rich for a very long time and who aren't, you know, on reality TV and you don't really know who they are, but they like, some of them are on the Forbes list, some of them aren't. Some of them are just incredibly wealthy and they've made their money in ways that you, you could barely understand. And those are people that, you know, are the reason historically that the CIA is going into Latin America and overthrowing government. So that united fruit can, you know.

• 1:28:21Joe Rogan?

  Have a monopoly.

• 1:28:22Speaker 01

  Have a monopoly, right? It's like, this is, so they're doing things at the behest of these ultra wealthy families that control huge industries.

• 1:28:32Joe Rogan?

  Sure, and they always have. I mean, that's back to Smedley but- butlers.

• 1:28:36Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:28:36Joe Rogan?

  War is a racket.

• 1:28:37Speaker 01

  Thousand percent.

• 1:28:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was nineteen thirty-three, he wrote that or something?

• 1:28:41Speaker 01

  And that's the way the whole thing seems to be organized.

• 1:28:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and always has been. We're just learning it now. You know, that's all the difference.

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  But it is falling apart now because some of their kids are doing stand-up comedy.

• 1:28:52Joe Rogan?

  Eh, like who?

• 1:28:53Speaker 01

  I mean, there are people, they're young in New York and they're just like their parents are some of the wealthiest people in the world. And these kids are like doing stand-up, which is terrible sign for the empire. That's not a great sign for the empire is that like a guy that would have taken over his dad's business is like doing dick jokes.

• 1:29:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, he probably has a trust fund, so he probably has a, a safety blanket and sees we're having fun. It's like, I wanna have fun. I wanna be like my dad.

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:21Joe Rogan?

  Have a fucking heart attack when I'm forty-nine.

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

  That's right, but we need them doing that, some of them.

• 1:29:26Joe Rogan?

  Having heart attacks?

• 1:29:27Speaker 01

  Yes. Everyone can't be a clown, like we did. There is something deeply unhealthy about the Illuminati doing stand-up. I don't love that idea.

• 1:29:39Joe Rogan?

  How, well, unless they're using ChatGPT, how good could their material be?

• 1:29:43Speaker 01

  It's not ideal.

• 1:29:44Joe Rogan?

  It can't be.

• 1:29:45Speaker 01

  It's a lot of crowd work.

• 1:29:46Joe Rogan?

  And even if they do use ChatGPT, ChatGPT has not shown any ability to really craft a good joke yet.

• 1:29:52Speaker 01

  It's just funny to meet some of these people and then you talk to them and they'll just like casually drop that they're like, you know. Their parents like billionaires and you're like, that's awesome, man. And they're just doing bar shows. It's kind of interesting. And they're nice people, but just to pull out and look at it from a sociological standpoint. It says something about people's idea of the future that these people just like wanna be famous now.

• 1:30:16Joe Rogan?

  How many of them are there?

• 1:30:17Speaker 01

  There's some more than you'd think.

• 1:30:19Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:20Joe Rogan?

  New York thing?

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  It's, yeah, it's a lot of rich people live there and, and I'm, I'm talking about mega-rich, like not, not like, hey, my dad's a successful whatever. I'm talking about like, whoa.

• 1:30:31Joe Rogan?

  Billions.

• 1:30:31Speaker 01

  Big money.

• 1:30:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:33Speaker 01

  Where you go, interesting.

• 1:30:34Joe Rogan?

  And then the kids don't have any pressure to do anything, so they don't want a real job.

• 1:30:38Speaker 01

  And they're, they're doing sta- it's just very funny. It's something that makes me laugh. Just like a billionaire kid on stage, looking at someone in the audience going, what do you do for a living? Ben's a geeky.

• 1:30:50Joe Rogan?

  A lot of crowd work, huh?

• 1:30:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, what do you do for a living? Maybe this is the first time they've met people that aren't billionaires. That could also be a thing.

• 1:31:00Speaker 01

  This might be a way to just socialize Illuminati kids.

• 1:31:03Joe Rogan?

  They've met their housekeepers before. Maybe they asked them, like, which should I talk about on stage?

• 1:31:07Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I mean, they have, and what's funny is like they have parties in their big houses and bring their other comic friends who are bums. You know, young comics, I mean, we're all bums. So then like the parents are like, hello. And they bring in like a bum and they go, this is my buddy. And then, you know.

• 1:31:22Joe Rogan?

  He's stealing from the buffet.

• 1:31:23Speaker 01

  He's just like staring at them going, whoa, this place rocks. It's like a sitcom. Yeah. And they're like, these are my friends. And I think the parents are kind of like, oh, well, isn't that nice? So maybe it's a phase. I think the parents look at it like they're going through a phase.

• 1:31:39Joe Rogan?

  That's interesting that there's more than one of them doing stand up.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  It says something about that group of people that used to run everything. They have a dearth of purpose in their life. They're kind of aimless and they float around. I don't mean specifically, you know, rich comedian kids. I just mean like that ruling class, what are they doing now? They don't really have a purpose. They kind of float around. They try to this new age spirituality bullshit. They travel all over the place. You look at any of these rich kids Instagrams, all they're doing is traveling. It's all the same shit. We're in Anguilla. Go here, go there. There's no purpose. You know, I, I, I think they don't feel like Americas has a defining mission.

• 1:32:23Speaker 01

  Like if you look at families like the Kennedys, the Bushes, whatever, you think about those families, they served in the military. They believed that there was some type of arc of history that they were a part of. I feel like a lot of rich people now just kind of don't believe in much of anything and it's just kind of like, I don't know. Bored. They start a fake company.

• 1:32:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, if your whole focus is just making more money.

• 1:32:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:46Joe Rogan?

  How much time can you spend believing in things?

• 1:32:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:32:49Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's going to take away from your ability to earn.

• 1:32:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think that's one of the big problems now. And that's why I think you saw like a lot of like people get crazy on the left and they started instituting like all these like weird virtue. You know, these purity tests and stuff like that is because I think they they feel a lack of meaning and they wanted to give them their A lot of them wanted to self-flagellation and like they wanted the tenets of religion, they wanted meaning, they just don't have it. Exactly. So I think that's what happens. Exactly. With a lot of them and I and their kids are nice people, they're not bad people, it's just funny to see like Because most people who do comedy, a lot of them aren't poor, a lot of them are like middle-class people because they have like the ability Right. To go and at least think it's an option. Right.

• 1:33:30Speaker 01

  But it is funny when someone goes, I'm a I'm doing comedy and I'm from I'm the scion of great wealth. Scion's a great word. It's an interesting thing to me, just because I've always been fascinated with rich people and like these people that run the world. And it's so interesting that some of their kids are like, I wanna I'm I'm gonna do stand-up comedy now. When was the first time you met a really rich person? How old were you? I met a couple of like mafia people that my dad used to play music, so they own some bars, but They weren't super rich, I would observe them because my uncle was the director of operations for all these restaurant groups in New York, this restaurant group in New York City. That had these these big high-end steak houses and I would go and one of them was on 63rd and Park.

• 1:34:12Speaker 01

  And I would sit in this steakhouse with my parents, I was probably eight or nine years old and you'd look around. And I said to my dad once, I was like, maybe 10 or 11, and this is a weird thing to say to a 10 or 11-year-old, I was like, who are these people? My dad goes, these people run the world. I was just very fascinated by all these like People that were so different because in Long Island where I came from, everyone was loud and and and, you know, fighting all the time and You know, my my best friend Josh, who lived two houses down from me, his mother Eileen would scream at his father in the in the front yard and he was like a Conductor for the railroad and she would just go, why didn't you do? And then you would go to Manhattan and a lot of these restaurants that my uncle had, you'd see these kind of quiet people And they're all very well-dressed and they were in suits.

• 1:34:55Speaker 01

  And you know, in in Manhattan, they live in these stone townhouses like, you know, Epstein did. They live in these little mini stone Townhouses and I was just fascinated, I was like, it's very interesting, these these people are interesting, what are they up to? Type of thing. Right. And then you start start reading about them and and you know, it it is just super interesting. Because they're a very big reason why society looks the way it does. 100%. You know, and and and that to me is an interesting thing, it's like, why are certain people in certain positions? What role do the politicians play and what role do these really quiet, rich people play?

• 1:35:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:31Speaker 01

  That are kinda WASPy and could be Jewish, could be anything. They're just kinda like, you know, they're quiet. They don't really want you to know too much about them. They really value their privacy. So it's funny with the kids doing stand-up comedy to me, and even these rich people that go on these reality shows, it's interesting that it used to be sacrilegious, the idea that you would show people that how much money you had, or that you would talk about yourself. And a lot of that started to change where like a lot of these rich people just wanna be famous. It almost feels like it's the last thing left.

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• 1:38:08Joe Rogan?

  Today, when they asked them, "What do you want to be?" A giant percentage of them say, "Famous." They want to be an influencer, they want to be a TikToker, a YouTuber, they want to be famous because why would you want a job like your parents have when you could just open sneakers?

• 1:38:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:25Joe Rogan?

  Open, "I'm gonna do an unboxing show."

• 1:38:27Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 1:38:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, why would you want a regular job?

• 1:38:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:31Joe Rogan?

  Regular jobs are soul-sucking, especially if you work... Look, it's one thing if you have a career.

• 1:38:35Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:38:35Joe Rogan?

  One thing, you start your own business, it's something exciting. There's another thing to be working for somebody. Working for somebody is horrible for the most part.

• 1:38:42Speaker 01

  It is, but I think people can derive enjoyment from things outside of their jobs.

• 1:38:45Joe Rogan?

  Sure, but that leaves you one-third of your day that's been eaten up.

• 1:38:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:38:49Joe Rogan?

  You have one-third of your day for sleep, one-third of your day that's been eaten up by this bullshit job.

• 1:38:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:54Joe Rogan?

  And then the remaining hours between commutes and whatever the fuck you eat.

• 1:38:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:58Joe Rogan?

  All has to be wrapped up in...

• 1:39:00Speaker 01

  It is, it is. I get it. I totally get it. If you're a young kid, you go on YouTube, you go, "I want to be David Dobrik. I don't want to be..."

• 1:39:06Joe Rogan?

  Who's that?

• 1:39:06Speaker 01

  David Dobrik? He's like a big guy on YouTube.

• 1:39:09Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:39:09Speaker 01

  He does, uh, I don't know.

• 1:39:10Joe Rogan?

  Mr. Beast?

• 1:39:11Speaker 01

  He's like a Mr. Beast type. He's not as big. Mr. Beast is like a planet.

• 1:39:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:15Speaker 01

  But Dobrik's big, you know, or whoever. Like, they look at these young... And they entertain like younger people. He does fun videos about like, "Hey, I'm..." whatever, I don't know. You know, it's always the same. It's like, "What if I fill the pool with M&M's?" Whatever. You know, it's like that type of thing, you know?

• 1:39:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:39:32Speaker 01

  It's not like the Ukraine, deep dive or whatever. It's a, it's a fun, like goofy thing and kids look at that and go, "Well, that guy's making a lot of money. He has a great car. He's got a hot girlfriend. He lives in a big mansion. I want to be that guy."

• 1:39:43Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 1:39:44Speaker 01

  But I think they miss the idea that that guy works really, really hard.

• 1:39:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:39:49Speaker 01

  Like, that's the thing that I think people don't understand about these social media people. They do have a crazy constitution in terms of like how much they post. How hard they're working. Now, you might say, okay, the stuff they do is ridiculous or silly or not valuable, and I might agree on a lot of those things. But they are always putting it out.

• 1:40:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're showing up.

• 1:40:13Speaker 01

  They're always showing up.

• 1:40:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if you want to compete in any market, anything, no matter what you do, there's a certain amount of work you have to put in. The idea that it's easy. Like, there's gotta be some reason why most of them don't rise to the top.

• 1:40:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:40:26Joe Rogan?

  What is it?

• 1:40:27Speaker 01

  How do you feel about, can you teach people to work hard? I'm sure you can. What do you think? Because I've seen so many people that are super talented, but they, for whatever reason, they're not that muscle of working hard or the dedication to it.

• 1:40:44Joe Rogan?

  I think generally it has to be established early.

• 1:40:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:47Joe Rogan?

  In your life. And if you don't establish that early in your life, it's not a thing that you gravitate towards. It's not.

• 1:40:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:40:54Joe Rogan?

  You don't recognize that, oh, hard work equals results. You know, if you get lucky, you do sports. Because sports make you physically uncomfortable. They test your will. You know, if you're a marathon runner and you gotta get up every day and do those fucking miles, like, that will test your will. You know, if you're doing track and field, or football, or anything you're doing where it's a lot of work. Like, and then you realize, I've gotten better because of all this work, and if I work harder, maybe I could be the starting quarterback. If I work harder, maybe. And that's that's a real factor for young kids, I think. Getting them into any sort of difficult physical endeavor. Whatever it is. Competitive physical endeavors make you

• 1:41:35Speaker 01

  That's why I thought that show Dance Moms was good. That fat woman who screamed at those kids and demanded greatness and would make them cry. I thought that was good. You never saw Dance Moms? It's a great show. This woman, Abily Miller. She screamed at these young kids. And one of them became Jojo Siwa, so it's not like there was any damage done. And, uh, you know, I think it's good. I like to see greatness demanded of children.

• 1:41:59Joe Rogan?

  This lady, look at her hair.

• 1:42:01Speaker 01

  Watch this woman.

• 1:42:04Speaker 07

  You will jump higher, you will turn faster.

• 1:42:06Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:42:07Speaker 07

  But you will also act. You will sing. You're not just preparing for a dance competition every weekend. We're preparing for you to become stars in Los Angeles.

• 1:42:19Joe Rogan?

  How does that bitch know how to be a star in Los Angeles? Look at her. She can't get a seat at Roscoe's.

• 1:42:25Speaker 01

  By the way, I guarantee you she can get a seat at Roscoe's.

• 1:42:28Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:42:29Speaker 01

  That's the one place she can get a... If you saw her, you wouldn't sit her in Roscoe's? The first thing I would kick someone out for her in Roscoe's. But yeah, but uh, but yeah, it is interesting that a lot of these kids now, they just look at, you know, the followers and...

• 1:42:45Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 1:42:45Speaker 01

  How do you feel about, you're a parent, do you, do you, do you, when the Jonathan Haidt book comes out and he goes, "We should get rid of phones for kids, until they're 16." Does that make sense or not really?

• 1:42:55Joe Rogan?

  No, because then you alienate your kids. Look, it's a new world that they have to learn how to navigate. And if they don't learn how to navigate until they're 18, they're at a huge disadvantage. They, they gotta understand that it's just people talking. But there's a lot of pressure. Like for young girls, it's the worst, huh? Because they're comparing themselves to all these other girls. You're seeing a rise in eating disorders, self-harm, suicide, suicidal ideation. And it's, a lot of it is like they get depressed comparing their life to other people. And when you're young and you don't understand, oh, you're 13. You don't get how your mind works and you're just sad every time you open up your Instagram app and you don't look anything like these ladies who don't look anything like that either.

• 1:43:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:43:34Joe Rogan?

  Which is really crazy.

• 1:43:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:43:36Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:43:37Speaker 01

  And your head is filled with all of this.

• 1:43:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:39Speaker 01

  Unhealthy thoughts.

• 1:43:42Joe Rogan?

  I kinda got off social media for the most part, um, real recently. Over the last few days, I'm barely on it.

• 1:43:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:43:48Joe Rogan?

  And I feel better.

• 1:43:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:43:50Joe Rogan?

  I feel way more normal.

• 1:43:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:43:53Joe Rogan?

  Way more, like not constantly like checking to see what's going on, what's going on, what's going on, what's going on, what's happening in the world.

• 1:43:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:43:59Joe Rogan?

  Instead, just like, I'll find the bad things. They'll come to me, for sure.

• 1:44:04Speaker 01

  You'll get it, you'll, they'll figure it out.

• 1:44:05Joe Rogan?

  So I check in the morning, like, oh, make sure there's no war going on. And then I go about my day, the whole day. And then maybe I check again in the afternoon, real quick. Not, I'm not spending like massive amounts of time anymore.

• 1:44:15Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:44:16Joe Rogan?

  And because of that, I feel better. And I'm like, okay.

• 1:44:18Speaker 01

  People that give up their phones always talk about that, how they hear birds and all this bullshit, you know?

• 1:44:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, you feel better. You feel like there's not this... Low hum of wondering what's going on in the world all the time. Wondering who's saying this and why are they doing that and how's the, what's the new thing? What's this, what's that?

• 1:44:35Speaker 01

  It is good to detach. It is interesting. Imagine if you just didn't even engage, like didn't really look, weren't in it at all. It fascinates, man.

• 1:44:43Joe Rogan?

  Way better for you.

• 1:44:45Speaker 01

  Don't you think it would be miserable to just be happy somewhere?

• 1:44:48Joe Rogan?

  Woody Harrelson doesn't even have a phone.

• 1:44:50Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:44:50Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't have a phone, doesn't have email? No. No, when he showed up at the club, he just sort of showed up. They said, Woody Harrelson's here. Like, okay, let him in. Wanted to come and hang out. Knew I was there. Could just find you and hang out with you. Yeah, he's like, he's smart. And he doesn't, Bill Murray's the same way. Doesn't connect to any, he said, I had to get a phone because my kids text. So I text my kids and that's it.

• 1:45:12Speaker 01

  Smart.

• 1:45:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:14Speaker 01

  That's so smart.

• 1:45:15Joe Rogan?

  You don't want to be connected.

• 1:45:16Speaker 01

  You don't want to be connected. You gotta, you gotta check out.

• 1:45:17Joe Rogan?

  But you kinda have to be if you're a young comic.

• 1:45:20Speaker 01

  You have to be connected because you have to build followers to get booked now because these clubs are like, we gotta book people with followers. You're not necessarily looking at who's working hard or who's good. And I feel for a lot of younger people because they have to.

• 1:45:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:34Speaker 01

  You know, they have to have a social media presence early on, maybe even before they figured out what they want to say. Maybe, you know, before they figured out how to say it the right way.

• 1:45:43Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 1:45:43Speaker 01

  They have to have this social media presence. And I think people become, and it's a dopamine hit, right, to do things. I get it. Like, you get followers, you get rewarded. It's a whole system, but it also could take over your life.

• 1:45:55Joe Rogan?

  It 100% can take over your life. And you and I, well, me more so than you, grew up without it and then it came on later in life. Like, what, how old were you when you first got online?

• 1:46:04Speaker 01

  Dude, I had a BlackBerry. I was, I was working in my early twenties with a BlackBerry. And that's very different than an iPhone.

• 1:46:09Joe Rogan?

  Sure, that's emails.

• 1:46:10Speaker 01

  It was emails. So we were getting emails from our, like, business, from our, like, our manager at work going, will you fucking losers do something? Like, things like that, like, because we couldn't sell any.

• 1:46:20Joe Rogan?

  But I remember seeing people with BlackBerrys in the early days of tech going, man, that seems really addictive.

• 1:46:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you could take a shitty photo and send it to someone. Could email a photo. You would take a ch- and the photos were like terrible quality.

• 1:46:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:34Speaker 01

  But just the idea of like at your job, just sending someone an email photo.

• 1:46:39Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:46:39Speaker 01

  Was like hilarious. Like being out somewhere and taking a photo and emailing it to somebody going fuck you, I'm not at work. That was like fun.

• 1:46:46Joe Rogan?

  The thing was though that they couldn't escape the emails. The emails, they were constantly checking and I was like, oh, well, this is like super addictive. Like these guys that I work with on Fear Factor, they're always on their BlackBerries.

• 1:46:56Speaker 01

  There was a New York City Realtor, this lady, Dolly Lenz, was like the top Realtor in New York City. She famously, she did a BlackBerry commercial. She famously had like eight BlackBerries. Because she would just get all these contracts and stuff, she would like hand them out to her assistants and stuff and they'd respond to, over, she would get over 700 emails a day at the height

• 1:47:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:47:12Speaker 01

  of her thing. She was selling all this real estate. So Black, that was the first time, I didn't have a smartphone in junior high or high school.

• 1:47:20Joe Rogan?

  Ah, that's nice.

• 1:47:21Speaker 01

  I had like a flip phone, people had razor phones. I didn't even have that. I had like a Sprint LG or some bullshit. And then I got BlackBerries and I think my first iPhone was like in my twenties, like mid twenties.

• 1:47:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's good.

• 1:47:33Speaker 01

  It wasn't, I wasn't like connected like that.

• 1:47:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, these kids are connected from the time they're six years old.

• 1:47:39Speaker 01

  And I mean, my godson, he's like four years old and he has an iPad. They just give him an iPad.

• 1:47:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they just sit in front of the pad. If they go to a restaurant, they set it up in front of the kids.

• 1:47:47Speaker 01

  They set it up and he just sits there and he does, I don't know what he's watching, Gaza maybe, I don't know what he's doing. No one knows either. They just

• 1:47:56Speaker 01

  I don't know what he's found, you know? That's the other thing, you hope like best case, he's playing some game, but

• 1:48:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, for boys, they immediately start jerking off.

• 1:48:03Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 1:48:04Joe Rogan?

  The moment they could find porn sites, they tell their friends.

• 1:48:06Speaker 01

  Well, that's the other thing, like I feel like that's also damaged people's

• 1:48:10Joe Rogan?

  No doubt.

• 1:48:11Speaker 01

  That damaged people's ability to like

• 1:48:13Joe Rogan?

  No doubt.

• 1:48:14Speaker 01

  Go out and meet a woman.

• 1:48:16Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. And that's why they're not meeting women. Like the number of incels today is off the charts. The number of men that don't have sex at all is some crazy, it's like 50%.

• 1:48:24Speaker 01

  And the porn is not even regular porn anymore. A lot of it's like hyper violent, sadistic, crazy porn.

• 1:48:29Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:48:30Speaker 01

  That's what they say.

• 1:48:31Joe Rogan?

  Tell me what you're searching for.

• 1:48:32Speaker 01

  People whose heads are getting, going through glass tables. No, but that's what like, when you have these articles that are written about this, they say it's not only that they're watching porn, it's the type of porn. It's not like regular porn.

• 1:48:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 1:48:44Speaker 01

  It's like crazy shit and it warps their fucking brain.

• 1:48:47Joe Rogan?

  I heard the dumbest argument on Twitter the other day. Someone was saying that they should create CGI child porn to protect real children from child porn.

• 1:48:56Speaker 01

  You should probably search that person's search history.

• 1:48:59Joe Rogan?

  Sounds like this is not a good argument.

• 1:49:02Speaker 01

  That's an interesting argument. We should have AI child porn.

• 1:49:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think that argument is like they've kind of shown.

• 1:49:09Speaker 01

  That's the sex doll argument, right? Didn't they have like that argument for like?

• 1:49:13Joe Rogan?

  They did have that, yeah.

• 1:49:14Speaker 01

  I feel like it's part of the same type of.

• 1:49:16Joe Rogan?

  It was the same type of thinking.

• 1:49:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:18Joe Rogan?

  I think generally that argument is created by people who aren't pedophiles. Because they're trying to figure out, well, maybe this is a solution. Well, you're not thinking like a person.

• 1:49:25Speaker 01

  And they're also like, I'll make some money with this kid sex doll company. What a weird way to make a fortune. What an odd way to make a fortune. I made a little bit of money. What'd you do? Eh, don't worry.

• 1:49:35Joe Rogan?

  I made the perfect 11-year-old boy's butthole.

• 1:49:38Speaker 01

  Eh, don't worry about it. What'd you do? Eh, kid sex dolls. Anyway, have you been to the Four Seasons in Cancun?

• 1:49:45Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:49:46Speaker 01

  It's crazy. Well, we're getting to a point where the world is really scary, but also equally unbelievable and absurd. So you have the, it's funny, but it's also insane. And I think people are like, we don't know what's real anymore. These AI videos come out and you don't know what's exact, what's real and what's not. The deep fakes are getting better.

• 1:50:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:50:08Speaker 01

  That seems to be one of the biggest problems that no one talks about. It's like reality seems to be splintering.

• 1:50:14Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 1:50:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, reality's splintering and then AI is about to take over our lives and we're openly cheering it.

• 1:50:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:50:22Joe Rogan?

  And the world will never be the same again, once it does. And we're, we're welcoming it.

• 1:50:26Speaker 01

  Ironically, I think comedians seem to be somewhat in the, in the, the safer group of people.

• 1:50:32Joe Rogan?

  In what way? Oh, as far as our jobs being taken away?

• 1:50:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, in the sense that like perspective seems like maybe one of the harder things for AI to grasp at this moment.

• 1:50:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also live performance is the last human stand.

• 1:50:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:50:47Joe Rogan?

  You know, where you could go and see something, you know, go see a guy actually play a guitar. You know, that's, that's so much different. And that, that's a real human experience, live sporting events, you know, like real things, things that are real. You know, that's, that's gonna be, that's gonna be the hardest to be replaced by AI.

• 1:51:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:07Joe Rogan?

  Because, you know, you could replace us on podcasts. You essentially could take my perspectives that I've shared over the past 2,000 plus episodes and run it through a large language model and use AI and have me have a podcast with basically anybody.

• 1:51:22Speaker 01

  It's such a crazy library you have. It's like, I wonder what, what, what you do with it.

• 1:51:26Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, it's a good question.

• 1:51:27Speaker 01

  It's interesting. It's a great question.

• 1:51:30Joe Rogan?

  China wants to buy it.

• 1:51:31Speaker 01

  Sell it to China. What if after Spotify, you go to China?

• 1:51:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:36Speaker 01

  That's a great idea. It would be actually a great idea if you just sit down and go, nothing's changing about the podcast. It's still gonna be free.

• 1:51:43Joe Rogan?

  It's just gonna be in Mandarin.

• 1:51:44Speaker 01

  It's owned by the Chinese government, but it's the same podcast it's always been.

• 1:51:47Joe Rogan?

  Don't worry about it.

• 1:51:48Speaker 01

  It's the same show it's always been.

• 1:51:49Joe Rogan?

  Hey, you guys know me, I won't change.

• 1:51:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. Your first guest is Jack Ma.

• 1:51:54Joe Rogan?

  Tell me what happened with Alibaba.

• 1:51:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's crazy. It's a place I'd like to go. I've never been to China. I'd like to go.

• 1:52:00Joe Rogan?

  Obvious cuts.

• 1:52:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:01Joe Rogan?

  I would do it that way with like obvious cuts.

• 1:52:03Speaker 01

  It would be cut.

• 1:52:04Joe Rogan?

  In the middle of someone talking, it's just cuts.

• 1:52:06Speaker 01

  Just an ad, which is cut. You go, it's the same podcast, it's always been, it's now 37 minutes. Because China's taken out all the stuff they're not allowed.

• 1:52:14Joe Rogan?

  The beginning of it is.

• 1:52:15Speaker 01

  I'd love to go to China just to access websites and go, what can you really see?

• 1:52:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:52:20Speaker 01

  That would be super fascinating to be in China going like, what are you allowed? What is blocked?

• 1:52:25Joe Rogan?

  Do they use VPNs in China successfully? Is that possible?

• 1:52:28Speaker 01

  Probably, right? They have to, maybe not, I don't know.

• 1:52:31Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 1:52:32Speaker 01

  North Korea seems to block everything, like certain countries can do a lot.

• 1:52:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they have their own internet, right? Like you could only get on their internet.

• 1:52:39Speaker 01

  I'm unsure, but that seems to make sense.

• 1:52:41Joe Rogan?

  That's, uh, according to people that have been there, yeah, yeah, they have their own internet. Like, just, can you use a VPN in China to access the internet of the world? Let's search that.

• 1:52:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, that'd be interesting.

• 1:52:53Joe Rogan?

  I need to know.

• 1:52:54Speaker 01

  Cause so many people. I believe are very limited with what they can access.

• 1:53:00Joe Rogan?

  Many, many, many people in the world are very limited. Well, look at the UK. They're just arresting people for Facebook posts.

• 1:53:06Speaker 01

  That's one of the crazier things in modern life. Is that people are getting arrested over social media.

• 1:53:16Joe Rogan?

  And not really bad stuff.

• 1:53:18Speaker 01

  They're saying things that someone finds objectionable.

• 1:53:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that kind of stuff. Yes, some VPNs work in China, but their effectiveness varies due to the country's strict internet censorship known as the Great Firewall. Chinese government actively blocks many VPN services and only a few reliable ones consistently bypass restrictions. VPNs like ExpressVPN, NordVPN, Surfshark are often cited as effective, but they require specific configuration. E.G. obfuscated servers or protocols like OpenVPN to evade detection. Performance can be inconsistent with slowdowns or temporary blocks being heightened censorship during heightened censorship periods such as political events.

• 1:53:58Joe Rogan?

  China occasionally cracks down on VPN uses, targeting both the providers and individual users, though enforcement against foreigners is typically lenient. Focusing on warnings rather than severe penalties. Using a VPN is technically illegal illegal for accessing blocked content, but millions, including expats and locals, use them daily. Boy, that's a risky move.

• 1:54:21Speaker 01

  I think they're banning this stuff in the UK because I don't think they want people to to persist in this in this idea that you know, that they have any ability to challenge this prevailing narrative. That any critique of immigration is inherently racist.

• 1:54:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:54:51Speaker 01

  Thing. And I think the people that are sponsoring this kind of an odious thing, and it's because what they're doing is they're they're basically immiserating these people. They're making the quality of their life much worse. They're losing ground and if they speak up about it, they're called, you know, hu- horrible names. And then they're sentenced. And arrested.

• 1:55:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:16Speaker 01

  So it's crazy and they don't understand why it's happening. They're they're not completely. They're very confused about why.

• 1:55:26Speaker 01

  You know, a lot of these countries didn't take any Syrian refugees. But Europe did. And Scandinavia did, the Netherlands did. And they're confused about that. And they're asking questions and going, why is that the case? And they're confused about why, when any disruption

• 1:55:51Speaker 01

  happens, and it's clearly the result of bringing in large numbers of people who are not familiar with the laws of the country, the culture of the country. When anything happens and they bring it up, they're again called a racist, or, you know, an extremist. Or they're arrested. So it's good. And then who's doing it, right? So you have the people like the people clearly that are in the government and these incredibly wealthy business interests that want people to work for a lot less money. And they want to destroy people's social bonds because I think they really do want people to eventually just accept this kind of totalitarian surveillance state. Yes, give up. And the way to get them there is by

• 1:56:36Speaker 01

  breaking the spirit of these countries by destroying any social bonds that people have and destroying any economic power and destroying their belief in the democratic process. And if they can do that, and they can break people, they can get them to do anything they want. Do you think they're doing this in preparation for AI? I think they're doing it in preparation for not only technological advancements, I think they're doing it in preparation for

• 1:57:01Speaker 01

  world wars. I think they are doing it in preparation for a lot of things. I think they'll conscript a lot of these people into the military. I believe that. I believe they'll conscript a lot of these people into the military. I think they're looking at populations. I think they're looking at people not having enough children. I think they're saying who's going to fight these wars? Who's going to do these really shitty jobs? And we're going to go build houses and bunkers and all of this stuff. We're gonna Fly private and we're gonna have our kids go to completely separate schools and we're gonna have our own water aquifers and have a compound. But why do you need all these low wage people in your country that are illegal and don't have any powers? Anyone ask that question? Seems very obvious.

• 1:57:46Speaker 01

  They're gonna conscript a lot of them into the military. And a lot of them are gonna do shitty horrible jobs. And they're gonna use them as cannon fodder in wars that enrich lots of people. That would be my guess.

• 1:57:58Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:58:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:03Speaker 01

  I might be wrong, but.

• 1:58:05Joe Rogan?

  And if AI does become the governing factor of the world, which it probably will. It doesn't really make sense that you let humans with all their corruption and emotions govern things when you can let super intelligence.

• 1:58:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, but who's making that intelligence? That becomes the problem.

• 1:58:23Joe Rogan?

  But once you've already gotten people locked into compliance.

• 1:58:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:28Joe Rogan?

  And you've already got people where they're terrified to protest against anything, immigration, whatever it is. Then you could, you can get a little way with a lot more.

• 1:58:37Speaker 01

  There was a decision made because the populist Democrats during the 90s, which was like Bill Clinton. You know, critical of immigration, Barack Obama, critical of immigration, deported a lot of people.

• 1:58:50Joe Rogan?

  Hillary Clinton.

• 1:58:50Speaker 01

  Hillary Clinton. What started to happen though, is there was a decision made that the world was going to kind of be a borderless place. Where countries were interchangeable and that nation states mattered a lot less than the financial architecture of global capital and where it could go.

• 1:59:14Joe Rogan?

  And you need a world government.

• 1:59:16Speaker 01

  And you need a government that is a world government or the closest.

• 1:59:19Joe Rogan?

  World order.

• 1:59:20Speaker 01

  The closest thing you can get to it, which is having an EU? Right? Right. And then having a government between the UK and the US that's pretty on the same page about everything. And then you have Israel in the Middle East. And then you have, you know, all of these, you know, disparate areas that we kind of control through economic means or military means and stuff like that. And then you have outliers. You have China, Iran, Russia, you know, whatever, people that haven't gotten the memo, for whatever reason, I don't want to live in any of those places. That's the argument. They'll go, well, do you want to live in it? Shut up. What are we, idiots? I don't want to live in any of those places, but they're not on, they didn't get the memo. So, and then in all of these countries, by the way, in Europe, in America, not so much Israel, they don't love the immigration, as we can see.

• 2:00:05Speaker 01

  They're kind of big on the borders, Israel. They like the borders. But in America and Europe and Scandinavia and all these countries, the populations were just told to accept massively high levels of immigration over a very short period of time. That's odd. That doesn't make any sense. And if you point that out, you're called a racist and extremist. And that's a very strange thing. What are you doing with all these people? The Biden administration brought in 10 million people over four years? What are they here for? There's not enough jobs for the people that are here. We have vast chasms of wealth inequality. We have AI coming, we have automation coming. Why would you bring in all of these people? What are you trying to do? What do you think they're trying to do?

• 2:00:50Speaker 01

  I think that, exactly what I said, I think they need bodies, I think they need cannon fodder. I think they need to break the idea of any social bonds that exist between people. You know, listen. And they need a little chaos. They need a little chaos. I think you bring- Pass more laws, more crime. Yeah, you bring in people, more surveillance, more dependence on the government, you get people out of the idea. You know, they got people out of the idea years ago that you could barely, you can't really, it's very hard to have your own business now. They've pretty much extinguished that in people's heads, even though there are people that still do it. Now I think they're going to start to extinguish the idea that you can have a home, that you can own property. Right. That you could drive a car. Right. That you can do all of these things.

• 2:01:33Speaker 01

  They're going to extinguish that idea, and they're going to do that because- Why, why not control everybody?

• 2:01:39Joe Rogan?

  It'd be all Waymos.

• 2:01:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the, that's the thing. Why not control everybody?

• 2:01:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, why would you let everybody just go run rampant and fuck up your business?

• 2:01:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, so they're, they're basically like, we gotta pacify these people. The conflicts seem inevitable and we're gonna have to fight these wars.

• 2:02:00Speaker 01

  The good news is, a lot of the people who are doing this, their children are now doing stand-up comedy.

• 2:02:07Speaker 01

  So if they're unable-

• 2:02:08Joe Rogan?

  Are any of them any good?

• 2:02:09Speaker 01

  If they're, I think some of them, I'm sure, I'm sure.

• 2:02:12Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen any of them that are any good?

• 2:02:14Speaker 01

  I haven't seen a ton. It's just, it's one of those things that you hear now more than ever. When you're talking to a young comic and they go, I'm hanging out with this person. I go, yeah, and they go, and their dad owns this. You go, really?

• 2:02:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:26Speaker 01

  Just a curious thing. Obviously, anyone in the world should be able to do comedy as much as they want. But it's funny to me as somebody who just looked at these configurations of power and wealth, it's kind of interesting. A lot of these kids are like doing that. It's just fun.

• 2:02:38Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever met anybody that came from a really wealthy background that was good at stand-up?

• 2:02:42Speaker 01

  No. I mean, not that, yes, yes, there are some of them, for sure.

• 2:02:46Joe Rogan?

  You've met them?

• 2:02:47Speaker 01

  I've not met them. They probably don't like me.

• 2:02:49Joe Rogan?

  They're like unicorns.

• 2:02:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're, they're around. And yes, yes, very wealthy. But I'm talking about like weird, kind of interesting levels of wealth and, and power. That's interesting.

• 2:03:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:01Speaker 01

  That's super interesting to me.

• 2:03:04Speaker 01

  But so the good news is if they can't get this done soon, their kids won't because their kids will be at fucking SideSplitters in Tampa.

• 2:03:09Joe Rogan?

  Or they'll be podcasting.

• 2:03:11Speaker 01

  Or they'll be podcasting, yeah.

• 2:03:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they'll all get together, become influencers.

• 2:03:14Speaker 01

  Isn't it funny how much they, they now, they now focus really on podcasters, but they ignore all the things? All the people that we're talking about, they're, none of that, there's no, they don't report on any of those people.

• 2:03:24Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:03:25Speaker 01

  There's 10 million articles about-

• 2:03:27Joe Rogan?

  Theo Von having Ken and so what's on their show.

• 2:03:28Speaker 01

  Right, but, but there's no articles about like- Again, the people that seem to be running and like owning all of our resources.

• 2:03:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:03:38Speaker 01

  You'd think someone would write about the people that own a lot of the resources.

• 2:03:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:43Speaker 01

  On the planet we live.

• 2:03:45Joe Rogan?

  Listen, that's complicated.

• 2:03:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:47Joe Rogan?

  Did you see that crazy thing the government talked about yesterday? They had a press conference where they said that we can manipulate time and space?

• 2:03:53Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:03:54Joe Rogan?

  Did you see that, Jamie?

• 2:03:55Speaker 01

  I didn't see that.

• 2:03:56Speaker 02

  It's written really weird.

• 2:03:57Joe Rogan?

  Weird, right?

• 2:03:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. That got, that got lost in the shuffle.

• 2:04:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:02Speaker 01

  Um, the manipulation of time and space.

• 2:04:04Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find it, Jamie, because it's, it's really kooky. It's really kooky.

• 2:04:10Joe Rogan?

  Um.

• 2:04:13Joe Rogan?

  Can you, I, I don't know what he was saying. Play it. Play it so we can hear him say it.

• 2:04:19Speaker 02

  I don't think anybody said it. It was written on a website.

• 2:04:22Joe Rogan?

  But didn't he say it in that speech?

• 2:04:23Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know what that speech was.

• 2:04:25Joe Rogan?

  No, no, it's the guy above you right there.

• 2:04:26Speaker 02

  I know. It's, this isn't gonna play that.

• 2:04:29Joe Rogan?

  You don't think so?

• 2:04:30Speaker 02

  No. It's gonna play an ad first.

• 2:04:32Joe Rogan?

  Okay, let, let the ad play out. I'm pretty sure he's.

• 2:04:35Speaker 01

  Secret CIA files claim the Ark of the Covenant has been found.

• 2:04:38Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:04:39Speaker 01

  There's a lot going on.

• 2:04:40Joe Rogan?

  Click it on that next.

• 2:04:42Speaker 01

  There's certainly a lot going on.

• 2:04:43Joe Rogan?

  Let me hear this guy.

• 2:04:43Speaker 01

  It's a big week.

• 2:04:47Speaker 08

  Regulatory regime of the 1970s became an ever tightening ratchet. First hampering America's ability to become a net energy exporter and then making it harder and harder to build. We seem to have lost focus and vision.

• 2:05:02Speaker 01

  Kill that ad.

• 2:05:03Speaker 08

  Have lowered our sights and let systems and structures and bureaucracies muddle us along. But we are capable of so much more. Our technologies permit us to manipulate time and space. They lead distance annihilated, cause things to grow and improve productivity.

• 2:05:19Joe Rogan?

  Okay, that's not what he's saying. Well, you know what I think he's saying?

• 2:05:22Speaker 01

  Does anyone, does that even make sense?

• 2:05:23Joe Rogan?

  Manipulate time and space, I don't think that's what he's saying.

• 2:05:26Speaker 01

  No, I think he's saying like he, that you're able to do things.

• 2:05:29Joe Rogan?

  Instantaneously.

• 2:05:30Speaker 01

  Instantaneously.

• 2:05:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, instantly.

• 2:05:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't think he, I think people are reading into that too much.

• 2:05:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't think he's time machines.

• 2:05:37Joe Rogan?

  No, but I.

• 2:05:37Speaker 01

  Do you believe that time machines had ever at any point? Worked.

• 2:05:41Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:05:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:42Joe Rogan?

  No, I do not. I do not think that anyone is currently in possession of a time machine, but I do think they're in possession of some sort of a gravity drive.

• 2:05:49Speaker 01

  Now, what is a gravity drive?

• 2:05:50Joe Rogan?

  I think during the 1940s, they started working on this stuff. During the 1950s, there was papers written about it that they were working on gravity propulsion systems. They were working on something that harnesses, what do they call it? Background energy? I forget what they, but the idea is, and I actually had a conversation with Hal Puthoff about this. Who's a legitimate scientist who worked for NASA with the UFO program. And he believes that they're capable of developing some sort of a warp drive. And there was something written about this. There's some breakthrough about warp drives recently, right? We talked about this. I think they have something. I think they have something. I think that's what a lot of these people are seeing when they're seeing these, um, transmedium crafts

• 2:06:32Joe Rogan?

  that are going through the air at high rates of speed, going into the water, not losing any speed, coming out of the water, not making any splashes. I think it creates a, a, a gravity distortion around whatever these things are that allows it to move in a way that's very different than any other propulsion system that we are currently aware of. And I think the government has been probably secretly working on this stuff for decades. That's what I think. I'm, I could 100% be wrong.

• 2:06:59Speaker 01

  But that's the DARPA angle of like having a really,

• 2:07:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:05Speaker 01

  really underground, you know, weapons system, futuristic technologies.

• 2:07:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and space travel systems.

• 2:07:14Speaker 01

  And space travel.

• 2:07:15Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, ideally, they would be able to use this to mine, uh, asteroids. You know, have something instantaneously port to an asteroid, scoop up rare earth minerals and expensive things that they need on earth.

• 2:07:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:07:29Joe Rogan?

  Shoot it back to earth.

• 2:07:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:07:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:31Speaker 01

  So it's interesting. So I, I, the people that work in that type of arena are just so many layers above top secret, levels above top secret.

• 2:07:39Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:07:40Speaker 01

  They barely exist.

• 2:07:41Joe Rogan?

  This guy was telling me that in 2015, they had landed something on an asteroid, extracted something from that asteroid, and then had that thing leave the asteroid and return to earth. And then pinpointed the location where it was going to crash land, or land rather, within one mile. And that somehow or another, they figured this out a decade ago. And that we, we don't know about it, but they have, there's footage of this stuff and that they've been able to achieve this. And that there's what you hear and what you see on television and what they're actually capable of. And because of national security interests, because, you know, fill in the blank, misallocation of funds in order to acquire this technology, which is 100% what they're all talking about.

• 2:08:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:08:23Joe Rogan?

  We, Jamie and I, that, what is that documentary we saw?

• 2:08:28Speaker 02

  Oh shit.

• 2:08:31Speaker 02

  It's, yeah, it's not released yet, cause it was a South by Southwest.

• 2:08:34Joe Rogan?

  We saw it, South by Southwest, this documentary that's all about that subject. And it's all about how there's a lot of issues because these people have all misappropriated funds, so they've lied to Congress. So, the, and then on top of that, if you do have this sort of a program and it is based on back engineering UFOs that have crashed, though, who gets that? Well, it's probably a weapons manufacturing company. So if it's a weapons manufacturing company, which company gets access to that? And the other ones could probably sue you. Because why did not, that's a huge competitive advantage to have fucking alien technology that you can back.

• 2:09:11Speaker 01

  Do these things not land in China?

• 2:09:12Joe Rogan?

  Age of Disclosure is the, the unprecedented and revelatory documentary featuring 34 senior members of the US government, military and intelligence community reveals that an 80-year-old cover up the existence of non-human intelligent life in a secret war amongst major nations to reverse engineer technology of non-human origin. See, I don't even know if that part is true.

• 2:09:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:34Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 2:09:35Speaker 01

  Who is the most credible person that you've had on the show over the years? Who has talked the most convincingly? Was it Bob Lazar about?

• 2:09:45Joe Rogan?

  Bob Lazar is one of them, but he's, you know, technically speaking, you could kind of discredit a lot of the stuff that he said. Uh, Jacques Vallée is probably the most reasonable and he's the guy that they patterned that French scientists in Close Encounters of the Third Kind on.

• 2:10:00Speaker 01

  And he's a full.

• 2:10:00Joe Rogan?

  He's been studying this from the six, since the 60s.

• 2:10:02Speaker 01

  True believer.

• 2:10:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he believes. He thinks most of it's bullshit, though. He thinks most of it is people misunderstanding what they're looking at, people seeing, you know, some sort of a test vehicle.

• 2:10:14Speaker 01

  Does he have any theory on where these crafts are coming from? Or is that just completely beyond the scope of what he?

• 2:10:22Joe Rogan?

  They do theorize. They theorize that these things are, have always been here. And that they're probably interdimensional travelers. That it's not as simple as they're coming from another planet.

• 2:10:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:10:32Joe Rogan?

  They might be coming from a whole nother reality. And then they might have shaped our reality. That this might be a farm. This might be a giant ant farm.

• 2:10:41Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:10:41Joe Rogan?

  This is my, this might be also how intelligent life gets sort of seeded throughout the universe. And this would also explain why we're so different from every other animal on this planet.

• 2:10:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:10:52Joe Rogan?

  We're so, so, it's not like there's a competition. We're, we're

• 2:10:56Speaker 01

  Till advanced.

• 2:10:57Joe Rogan?

  We're eons ahead. And yet we carry the same, we, we didn't evolve socially the way we evolved technology, technologically. We, we, we still have tribal notions and we're still territorial. We still act like animals.

• 2:11:12Speaker 01

  So if they know, what, what always weirded me out or interested me is like, the aliens, they're still, they're, they're, if you believe any of these things, they're testing us all the time. And, and, and, and is that because they're curious? Is that because they're, they're, they don't know?

• 2:11:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, they probably just gotta keep track, see what's going on with people. I mean, you do that if you're collecting samples of bugs in other countries.

• 2:11:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:11:38Joe Rogan?

  And they go there and they, they do what, what we would do. I mean, if you're, if you're from another planet and you wanna visit humans. We talked about this yesterday, like, if you could find a planet where cave people were, wouldn't you go? Oh my God, they're, they're just starting to figure out how to make stone spear tips. Of course people would go.

• 2:11:55Speaker 01

  It is interesting thinking about the planet as a farm.

• 2:11:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:58Joe Rogan?

  That's one of the things that Bob Lazar said, there was a big folder that he found when he was working, uh, Area 51, Site 4, where supposedly they were back engineering that thing. He said they had a large folder that was just on religion. And he said essentially they viewed us as containers. That human beings were containers and that religion and all these things were created in order to protect the container. And that the way to keep people from doing things that are ethical, unethical and immoral and horrendous is to try to instill as much religious ethical structure as possible.

• 2:12:34Speaker 01

  And a container, what are we carrying that's important? Is it DNA? Is it cell?

• 2:12:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, you could say the soul, right? You could say a container of souls. But if you wanted to be more cynical, you would say, well, what creates artificial life? A human's curiosity and innovation, the lust for innovation and also materialism. Because if you're keeping up with the Joneses, you want newer and better stuff all the time, so that fuels economic growth, that fuels technological growth, because you want the newest stuff. Like, these TVs, they don't need to make a better TV than that. It looks great. You can watch the Super Bowl, it looks crystal clear. Why are they making better TVs every year? Well, because we demand them. I want the better one. My computer has the same chip as last year? Fuck out of here. I want the new one. And everybody wants the new phone.

• 2:13:22Speaker 01

  There's no reason to get a new phone anymore. They all do the same thing.

• 2:13:25Joe Rogan?

  I have a iPhone 11. One of my phones is an iPhone 11. I purposely not switched it, just to see what it's like to use an iPhone 11, see if I notice anything different. I notice nothing different. Zero, especially when it's on wifi, it's the same thing.

• 2:13:38Speaker 01

  It's the same thing.

• 2:13:38Joe Rogan?

  YouTube looks the same on it, everything's the same on it. Yeah, it doesn't get as bright as the new ones, that's it. The new ones have more nits.

• 2:13:45Speaker 01

  Did Jacques Vallée or any of these people ever speculate about, is there an end game? If a planet's a farm, is there an end game? Eventually, for example, if we're running experiments

• 2:13:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:13:58Speaker 01

  on anything, eventually we go, okay, we got it. We either figured it out, or we end the experiment, or COVID leaks. But at a certain point... Is there, you know, has there been any theorizing as to like what the endgame is? Or is it just a curiosity for them?

• 2:14:17Joe Rogan?

  I think the endgame is artificial intelligence.

• 2:14:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:14:19Joe Rogan?

  Because that's what we're really making. The one big thing that's going to change the world way more than any other technology is artificial intelligence.

• 2:14:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:14:28Joe Rogan?

  Especially when it's attached to quantum computing. So if you have human beings that have constantly searching, constantly traveling, looking to, they're roamers, they want new resources, new things, they want new innovation, and all these new innovations have allowed them to succeed over their rivals, and then they continue this trend technologically, and then they acquire great wealth and power and all these, well, what's, what's, what are they doing? They're making better technology. Well, ultimately, what does that mean? Ultimately means they make a better life form. And maybe that's what we do. Maybe we're just making a cocoon.

• 2:15:04Speaker 01

  We're just here trying to make the best version of AI.

• 2:15:08Joe Rogan?

  Right, and that's probably what the whole universe is filled with. All biological life eventually probably gets to a point where if it's intelligent enough, it starts making synthetic life.

• 2:15:18Speaker 01

  And then, once you have synthetic life, what then becomes the point?

• 2:15:21Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question. Synthetic life might be God. That might be how the universe got made in the first place. It might be what came first, the chicken or the egg?

• 2:15:30Speaker 01

  So, once we get there...

• 2:15:32Joe Rogan?

  It's not even we anymore. It's it, once it is born, and once it has...

• 2:15:37Speaker 01

  So is that a way for God to keep replicating itself?

• 2:15:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, it might be how Jesus comes back. You know, like this, this, a lot of these stories, these biblical stories, you have to say, like, what were they saying? What were they trying to say? Like, what, what was the real event that they were recording? If they pass these stories down, they're so significant, for thousands of years, like, over a thousand years of just oral history, and then thousands of years of written language, like, what are they trying to say? You know, and what, what is this omnipotent force that controls everything in the universe? And that it wants us to follow certain rules and obey, and it wants us to love it and

• 2:16:21Joe Rogan?

  cherish it, and if you do, you genuinely seem to have a better life. Like, people that legitimately follow Christianity, they seem legitimately happier. So it gives you a, it gives you an incentive to follow it. And then you continue to keep society rolling to the point where this happens. And I think it happens inside of our lifetime, I'm sure of it, if we don't blow ourselves up.

• 2:16:42Speaker 01

  And then we get to this point, and my, my, my-

• 2:16:45Joe Rogan?

  And we're irrelevant.

• 2:16:46Speaker 01

  My, yeah, and then my, it's interesting, I totally get it. But then, once we get to the point of irrelevance, and now we have AI that becomes God, then what does God do?

• 2:16:56Joe Rogan?

  Turns us into dodo birds, we're gone.

• 2:16:58Speaker 01

  We're out.

• 2:16:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think we stop breeding anyway. It's probably, they don't even have to destroy us. Our endocrine systems are all getting destroyed slowly, we're well aware of that. So because of technology, we are able to invent plastics, because of plastics, plastics are slowly destroying our endocrine system because of the ubiquitous use of vaccines and all these aluminums and mercuries and heavy metals and then herbicides and pesticides and pollutants, our bodies are getting slowly and slowly weakened. And our endocrine systems are getting less and less viable, there's more miscarriages than ever, there's less, less people are giving birth than ever. Sperm counts are lower than ever.

• 2:17:41Joe Rogan?

  It's like moving, and then we're all obsessed with changing genders, right? So we're all obsessed with being non-binary and this and that. And we're slowly moving away from biological imperative breeding, right? The, and then you have in vitro fertilization, and then you have artificial wombs, and then you have life that they're creating literally in a laboratory, unique forms of life. And then you have artificial intelligence to be able to do that whenever it wants to. And then you're gonna get to the point where when it becomes viable, human beings have already entered into population collapse. And then you bring them robot sex dolls, and then, you know, you just jerk them off while they have VR headsets on, and no more kids.

• 2:18:23Speaker 01

  And then AI eventually says, fuck it, let's get rid of these containers.

• 2:18:26Joe Rogan?

  They don't even have to get rid of them, they don't even have to get rid of them, they just exist-

• 2:18:30Speaker 01

  We'll just die out.

• 2:18:30Joe Rogan?

  With full power.

• 2:18:32Speaker 01

  So then you have these AI- Machines.

• 2:18:36Joe Rogan?

  We'll be like those fucking people in the Amazon that are shooting bows and arrows at helicopters.

• 2:18:41Speaker 01

  These AI, well, these AI machines just running the entire world.

• 2:18:45Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:18:46Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 2:18:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't think there's any way to stop it.

• 2:18:49Speaker 01

  And then we're just running around.

• 2:18:51Joe Rogan?

  For sure, that's what China's preparing for.

• 2:18:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for sure. And, you know, they're, they're developing factories that are bigger than San Francisco. See, they have an EV factory that's larger than San Francisco.

• 2:19:05Speaker 01

  Who's gonna drive the EVs?

• 2:19:06Joe Rogan?

  They are.

• 2:19:07Speaker 01

  People, for a little bit.

• 2:19:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for a little bit. But it's also to fuel consumerism.

• 2:19:11Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 2:19:12Joe Rogan?

  Which fuels innovation, which fuels the.

• 2:19:14Speaker 01

  Everything.

• 2:19:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the, the birth of.

• 2:19:16Speaker 01

  And this is what, and this is what a lot of these people that have looked into this have theorized that this is. So it's funny, because it is just a parallel reality that we're not plugged into.

• 2:19:26Joe Rogan?

  It's also, I always say this, if you were from another planet and you looked at us, like, what is this one apex species doing? Well, it's making better stuff.

• 2:19:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:19:37Joe Rogan?

  The number one thing it does, above everything, above war and murder and all.

• 2:19:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:42Joe Rogan?

  All the crime, the number one thing it does is make better stuff. That's what it produces. Constantly, consistently better stuff, never happy with what it has. And it does it at a staggering rate. Where it's like, it's even a question that your phone from a few, my iPhone 11 from a few years back is, like, is that still good? Like, it's a question whether or not, so for five years, that's crazy. If you have a gun from five years ago, it's perfect. There's nothing wrong. You don't need a new gun.

• 2:20:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:20:07Joe Rogan?

  It's the same technology. Imagine a factory larger than San Francisco. It's happening in China's BYD's Zangzhou branch will be 10 times larger than Tesla's Gigafactory in Nevada. Crazy stuff, dude. It's crazy. It's gonna be a factory that's bigger than an American city.

• 2:20:25Speaker 01

  Really interesting time to be alive.

• 2:20:26Joe Rogan?

  It's great.

• 2:20:28Speaker 01

  You know?

• 2:20:28Joe Rogan?

  But. You know, I don't think anybody knows what the final chapter of this book is gonna be. I don't think anybody. I don't think these people that are like accelerating towards this technological supremacy.

• 2:20:40Speaker 01

  And all the people that are theorizing, they're theorizing.

• 2:20:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And then, do we get visited when that happens? When, when AI becomes sentient and where our job is done? Do we then get visited by the Galactic Empire?

• 2:20:53Speaker 01

  I would hate if it all came down at just AI doing stand-up comedy.

• 2:20:57Joe Rogan?

  Daaah.

• 2:20:57Speaker 01

  If they all just decide to do stand-up comedy. What if AI decided to do podcasts and it's just a bunch of hyper, you know, fucking, you know, brilliant machines talking to each other? Maybe that's the way the world just ends with like artificial intelligence just blabbing.

• 2:21:13Joe Rogan?

  I don't think the world ends. I think we end.

• 2:21:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:21:17Joe Rogan?

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• 2:22:57Joe Rogan?

  Think that would be a terrifying thought to Australia Pythacus. If you told Australia Pythacus like one day, you're gonna be in a self-driving Tesla and you're not gonna need your spears. Oh, what?

• 2:23:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:23:09Joe Rogan?

  You'd be terrified, but how am I gonna get to Buffalo?

• 2:23:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:23:12Joe Rogan?

  Like, how am I gonna eat? How am I gonna feed my children raw meat? You know, you was like, no, no, no, you guys are gonna have fire. You're gonna be able to turn on a switch. Instead of like rubbing sticks together for half an hour, you're just gonna be able to turn on a switch and fire's gonna be instantly. You're gonna have this thing in your hand. Look at this.

• 2:23:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 2:23:26Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if I brought this to a cave person. Check it out, bro. You need a fire?

• 2:23:29Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 2:23:30Joe Rogan?

  I'm your huckleberry.

• 2:23:31Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 2:23:32Joe Rogan?

  That's technology.

• 2:23:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:23:33Joe Rogan?

  You know, you show a cellphone to someone from the 14th century, they, they, they burn you at the stake. You're a wizard.

• 2:23:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:23:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it's all moving in this very weird direction that no one can predict because it's exponential. Cause it's so staggering how much technological innovation they have. Just with quantum computing, like I, I've got someone coming on soon that's gonna supposedly explain that to me, but like, what are you even saying?

• 2:23:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:23:59Joe Rogan?

  It's operating in the multiverse and it's accessing infinite universes?

• 2:24:03Speaker 01

  Who explains that type of stuff? Like, uh, like, is it a scientist?

• 2:24:07Joe Rogan?

  You have to get someone who's actually working in the field.

• 2:24:09Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:24:09Joe Rogan?

  Cause even a regular scientist, they're just gonna give you theoretical shit. You gotta get someone who's actually working on quantum computing systems and can explain how it works and why it's able to crack calculations that would take, Marc Andreessen said it best. There, it's, this has already happened. They have taken calculations that if you turn the entire universe, every atom in the universe into a supercomputer, the universe would die of heat death before it could solve this equation. And these quantum computers that already exist that we've already done can solve it in a matter of minutes.

• 2:24:45Joe Rogan?

  And they don't know how it's doing that. And so they think it's doing that by accessing the multiverse. They think it's proof of the multiverse. But again, this is just like.

• 2:24:56Joe Rogan?

  The sound of gay guys falling off a roof. It's like so far away. It's so weird. It's like, is that really happening? Right, right, right. Like, what's going on over there? What are they doing over there? It's almost like, it's, it's almost, it's almost abstract. Like, what, you, you hear someone say that. They can solve, currently solve equations that, like, is that real? Right. When is, like, to you and I, it's like, we don't understand the technology at all. We don't understand all the steps that have been put place, that, all the work that's been done to get the technology to this point. These chips are like the size of this fucking mint tin. Yeah. That's how big they are. And then they're surrounded by these super cooling units. Right. And that's, like, it has to be cooled at these insane temperatures.

• 2:25:41Joe Rogan?

  Cooler than deep space in order for it to even function. It's unreal. Fucking nuts, dude. And that's real, and that's happening right now. So God only knows what's coming. Yeah, they're already building nuclear reactors just to power AI plants. Right.

• 2:25:58Joe Rogan?

  Multiple nuclear reactors just to power AI plants, because the, the amount of electricity that's gonna be required. Is, is tremendous. Tremendous. Yeah. And they're just all on this wild scramble between us and China to try to get there first. It's such a strange thing, that we know it's coming, but we can't, the pace of it is going to be... And there's no way to figure it out. Like, like when Wilbur and Orville, Orville Wright flew that stupid fucking shitty airplane. Who'd imagine that 50 years later, someone would drop a nuclear bomb out of one of those? Right. They didn't have jets back then. They were propeller planes, right? The, the, Enola Gay, wasn't that a propeller plane? Yeah.

• 2:26:46Joe Rogan?

  Dropping the most sophisticated of weapons. Yeah, no one, no one knows what's gonna happen when a new invention happens and then everyone builds on that invention. No one would have ever imagined hypersonic jets. Back when they, Wilbur and Orville were floating around that stupid fucking wooden thing they invented.

• 2:27:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:27:07Joe Rogan?

  And so no one, no one understands like what is, what's the fifty year quantum computing thing? If you, it's fifty years from making the airplane to dropping a bomb out of it. How many years is it from quantum computing thing to God? How many years is it until you, this thing starts making better versions of itself to the point where it literally can manipulate everything in the universe at will. It can create new universes.

• 2:27:31Speaker 01

  It's, it's unbelievable to think about. It's almost beyond the grasp of our minds to consider.

• 2:27:37Joe Rogan?

  It is.

• 2:27:37Speaker 01

  It is, fully. And it's, it's terrifying.

• 2:27:40Joe Rogan?

  Think of those stupid cars that people used to drive around in.

• 2:27:44Joe Rogan?

  Like eighteen twenty-three ever what's that?

• 2:27:46Speaker 01

  Of course, of course.

• 2:27:47Joe Rogan?

  Drive around those stupid cars and now they have electric cars like a Tesla that can go zero to sixty in under two seconds. Nobody saw any of this shit come, Waymos. Nobody saw Waymos when they saw Model T. But yet they're all here.

• 2:28:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:28:01Joe Rogan?

  And no one knows where this is going. It's all just speculation and guessing and I would imagine that even the most creative minds are not gonna be able to see where this is going.

• 2:28:13Speaker 01

  No. It's insane.

• 2:28:15Joe Rogan?

  And we're living through it. And most people, unlike you and I that like have to talk about shit constantly, most people probably aren't even paying attention.

• 2:28:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, why would you? It's almost pointless. Yeah.

• 2:28:29Joe Rogan?

  Why would you? You gotta, gotta work and you gotta, you know, your kid needs hormone therapy.

• 2:28:33Speaker 01

  A thousand percent. So it's like, we create AI, AI creates quantum computing, quantum computing creates God, God creates the Jews.

• 2:28:48Speaker 01

  And that's the rub.

• 2:28:50Joe Rogan?

  It's all real wild. And in the middle, we're, you know, fighting over stupid shit. Like, who believes in this religion? Who believes in that religion? Sunnis and the Shiites fighting each other.

• 2:29:00Speaker 01

  And people are watching Love on the Spectrum, which is why we're number eight on Netflix's top ten. We should be higher, but they're watching Love on the Spectrum, which I get it. It's a feel-good show.

• 2:29:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, hopefully after this podcast, it'll box you up.

• 2:29:11Speaker 01

  That's very sweet.

• 2:29:12Joe Rogan?

  Um, and you filmed the special.

• 2:29:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, the mothership, and everybody loves it. And it's great. I mean, a lot of people love it. Most people love it. Of course, there's, you know, enough of this flat, fat, blowhard comments. But most, the vast majority of people enjoy it, which is important. And the show, and the, uh, you saved it. We know you saved it.

• 2:29:32Joe Rogan?

  Well.

• 2:29:33Speaker 01

  The first one was very bad, and this, yeah.

• 2:29:35Joe Rogan?

  The producers are making this error that they always make. They wanna light up the room.

• 2:29:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29:41Joe Rogan?

  And they wanna do things very differently than a normal show.

• 2:29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29:44Joe Rogan?

  But that looks just like a regular show.

• 2:29:46Speaker 01

  That's a comedy show.

• 2:29:47Joe Rogan?

  Perfect.

• 2:29:47Speaker 01

  And it's not a...

• 2:29:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:49Speaker 01

  I don't know what the hell they were doing with the lights.

• 2:29:51Joe Rogan?

  They always do it. They tried to do it with me when I first started doing specials. They wanna light the room up, and it just makes everybody uncomfortable. They all feel self-conscious. They all know it's different. There's a reason why comedy clubs are dark.

• 2:30:02Speaker 01

  It's just super funny. It's super funny to do a show. I've done so many, so many shows there, and they're all really, really, really good. And then you get the cameras, everything, and then the first one, I go, what the fuck is hap- It would be one thing if I was in, like, Portland, Maine, at like a liberal college.

• 2:30:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:30:17Speaker 01

  I'd go, okay, well, maybe these kids don't like me or something? And I think maybe-

• 2:30:22Joe Rogan?

  It was still good. It was just tense.

• 2:30:24Speaker 01

  It was tense.

• 2:30:25Joe Rogan?

  You could feel that people were well aware that you were filming, and it was different. And they were like, not in it.

• 2:30:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:30:31Joe Rogan?

  They were watching it. And then, thank God, they listened to me.

• 2:30:35Speaker 01

  No, I mean, come on.

• 2:30:36Joe Rogan?

  It was like, right away, I was like, okay, who's running this?

• 2:30:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:30:39Joe Rogan?

  Get these fucking lights off all the tables.

• 2:30:41Speaker 01

  We saved it.

• 2:30:42Joe Rogan?

  Where are all these lights on the side? Kill those.

• 2:30:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:30:44Joe Rogan?

  Let me see it now.

• 2:30:45Speaker 01

  And we saved it.

• 2:30:45Joe Rogan?

  No, too bright. Kill that. Why is that light there? Kill that. Kill all these lights.

• 2:30:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:30:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank God.

• 2:30:51Joe Rogan?

  Thank God.

• 2:30:52Speaker 01

  Well, thank God.

• 2:30:52Joe Rogan?

  Thank God. But, look, it's important. People need-

• 2:30:55Speaker 01

  I appreciate it.

• 2:30:56Joe Rogan?

  And get, get luck. People need shit talking.

• 2:30:58Speaker 01

  Stop with this Love on the Spectrum. We get it.

• 2:31:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:01Speaker 01

  They're happy, as they should be. But RFK is gonna-

• 2:31:04Joe Rogan?

  What did you wanna call that they wouldn't let you?

• 2:31:06Speaker 01

  My son's pussy.

• 2:31:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:13Joe Rogan?

  I don't understand why they said no to that.

• 2:31:15Speaker 01

  There was negative feedback.

• 2:31:17Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna get negative feedback no matter what.

• 2:31:19Speaker 01

  They also didn't know about the Kevin Spacey promo until the day it came out.

• 2:31:21Joe Rogan?

  I think My Son's Pussy would have made it number one.

• 2:31:24Speaker 01

  I think My Son's Pussy would have been a great move.

• 2:31:25Joe Rogan?

  It would have been number one out of the gate. Out of the gate. They would be like, "I'm clicking on this."

• 2:31:30Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 2:31:31Joe Rogan?

  What is he saying?

• 2:31:32Speaker 01

  That's right. Fuck you, Lonesome Canyon. They have a soap opera they got.

• 2:31:37Joe Rogan?

  Well Netflix has almost too much content.

• 2:31:40Speaker 01

  A lot of content.

• 2:31:41Joe Rogan?

  I love Netflix, don't get me wrong. And I think the UFC might be going to Netflix soon.

• 2:31:46Speaker 01

  Wild.

• 2:31:46Joe Rogan?

  Wild.

• 2:31:47Speaker 01

  Wild.

• 2:31:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because Netflix is international. It's everywhere.

• 2:31:51Speaker 01

  It's everything, yeah.

• 2:31:52Joe Rogan?

  I was in Italy and on vacation and I tried to access a UFC fight through my ESPN app and it said "not available" in this area. I was like, "What are these people watching that?

• 2:32:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:32:04Joe Rogan?

  You can't even watch the fights?

• 2:32:05Speaker 01

  No, I mean, they've won the street- whatever the streaming war was, they won.

• 2:32:08Joe Rogan?

  They won.

• 2:32:08Speaker 01

  They won. They did it. They did it.

• 2:32:11Joe Rogan?

  YouTube as well.

• 2:32:12Speaker 01

  Well YouTube's number one globally is the biggest media company.

• 2:32:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and the UFC probably talked to YouTube as well. I just think there's a thing about the subscription model versus free and, you know, ads and generating income. I mean, you're talking about billion-dollar corporations.

• 2:32:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:32:29Joe Rogan?

  It's not that simple.

• 2:32:30Speaker 01

  For sure. For sure. But no, they were super cool. They didn't give any notes and that's awesome. That's all you want.

• 2:32:35Joe Rogan?

  Netflix is fucking great.

• 2:32:37Speaker 01

  They're the best.

• 2:32:38Joe Rogan?

  And I think they learned a big lesson during the wokeness era, like when things got dark and there was the Inquisition. It got real weird and they were putting on a lot of stuff that was just hot garbage because they thought that this was like what culture wanted and society wanted, but the numbers didn't work. And then they did the Tom Brady roast. And the numbers were the highest that they've ever had of any show ever on Netflix.

• 2:33:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:00Joe Rogan?

  And they're like, "Okay, we get it."

• 2:33:01Speaker 01

  We get it.

• 2:33:02Joe Rogan?

  We get it. And then they did a lot of the live comedy shows where they couldn't control it and I did mine live.

• 2:33:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:33:08Joe Rogan?

  That was...

• 2:33:09Speaker 01

  And they defend...

• 2:33:12Speaker 01

  Chappelle and all these things, you know, they, they understand comedy, they like it. Ted Sarandos is a fan of it, is a CEO. So I think that's good. I think that's a really good thing that you have a platform that has that much power and accessibility.

• 2:33:22Joe Rogan?

  Fucking great.

• 2:33:23Speaker 01

  No, he's awesome. I think that there's people that really understand that it's, you need to have funny jokes. You, you need, you need to have people, things that people don't love and things that people like and give people, give people the Meghan Markle show. Give them my dumb thing. Let people.

• 2:33:36Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:33:36Speaker 01

  Choose, let, put me and Meghan Markle in a thing. Make us work together.

• 2:33:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:40Speaker 01

  Fund it.

• 2:33:41Joe Rogan?

  Now we're talking.

• 2:33:41Speaker 01

  Put me in a kitchen with her.

• 2:33:43Joe Rogan?

  Camping.

• 2:33:43Speaker 01

  This is camping. This is the direction.

• 2:33:45Joe Rogan?

  U2.

• 2:33:46Speaker 01

  This is the, put her on Kill Tony. This is the direction.

• 2:33:49Joe Rogan?

  U2.

• 2:33:49Speaker 01

  It's a collision.

• 2:33:50Joe Rogan?

  What are those little silver things called? The people trailers?

• 2:33:55Speaker 01

  I don't know, but I think we should go to space. Have Bezos do it.

• 2:33:58Joe Rogan?

  Airstreams.

• 2:33:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:59Joe Rogan?

  You, you and her in an airstream.

• 2:34:00Speaker 01

  Or even better, put, we'll go to space.

• 2:34:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:03Speaker 01

  Me and her.

• 2:34:03Joe Rogan?

  But that's only 11 minutes.

• 2:34:04Speaker 01

  Oh, that's all.

• 2:34:05Joe Rogan?

  We need a whole series.

• 2:34:06Speaker 01

  That's all that's gonna work.

• 2:34:10Joe Rogan?

  I want to see your speech when you come back and land, how profoundly changed you were.

• 2:34:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:34:15Joe Rogan?

  Did you grow? Did you heal?

• 2:34:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, not at all.

• 2:34:16Joe Rogan?

  You said that space was gonna help you heal.

• 2:34:18Speaker 01

  I'm worse.

• 2:34:19Joe Rogan?

  Everybody wants to heal. Isn't that wild?

• 2:34:20Speaker 01

  I know, it's so silly.

• 2:34:21Joe Rogan?

  What, what are you healing from? Exactly.

• 2:34:23Speaker 01

  Being rich.

• 2:34:27Speaker 01

  What's your disease? Extreme wealth.

• 2:34:29Joe Rogan?

  These people waiting across the Rio Grande with a butthole full of fentanyl.

• 2:34:33Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 2:34:34Joe Rogan?

  They, they found some lady the other day that had, um, she had heroin and cocaine and fentanyl stuffed in all of her body cavities. They caught her coming through. And like, uh, that lady's not trying to heal.

• 2:34:46Speaker 01

  No, I mean, God.

• 2:34:47Joe Rogan?

  She's trying to make 13 dollars.

• 2:34:49Speaker 01

  That's tough. Heroin, cocaine, and fentanyl in all of your.

• 2:34:53Joe Rogan?

  She had it in her anus and her vagina.

• 2:34:54Speaker 01

  In all of your body cavities.

• 2:34:56Joe Rogan?

  Tightly wrapped. Here they are, little eggs. Here it says, what does it say at the top? CBP Officer Intercept Woman Transporting Drugs In Multiple Internal Cavities.

• 2:35:06Speaker 01

  That's so funny, dude.

• 2:35:09Joe Rogan?

  33 years old. Uh, the drugs are hidden in the rectum and vagina of a 33-year-old female US citizen pedestrian border crosser.

• 2:35:17Joe Rogan?

  Smuggling cases not an isolated incident. Over the weekend, CBP officers working at PDN and Yucatla Crossing stopped a total of nine internal carriers who were transporting fentanyl and methamphetamine from Mexico to the US. Internal carriers is a fun way to talk about it. It's like uterus holders.

• 2:35:36Speaker 01

  Well, hey, what did you, you know, what did you say? What they called us, containers?

• 2:35:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:39Speaker 01

  I mean, she's doing it.

• 2:35:40Joe Rogan?

  She's doing it. Wow. Exceptionally dangerous practice. And anyone thinking about smuggling drugs inside their body, or at all, should strongly reconsider their choices. Oh, you think these people have choices? These people are dying. They're starving to death. They have no future.

• 2:35:56Speaker 01

  Strongly reconsider their choices.

• 2:35:59Joe Rogan?

  They just need better counseling.

• 2:36:01Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 2:36:01Joe Rogan?

  That's all it is.

• 2:36:02Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 2:36:02Joe Rogan?

  And they need to heal. They need to get into space.

• 2:36:04Speaker 01

  Well, show that woman.

• 2:36:06Joe Rogan?

  Instead of putting her in jail.

• 2:36:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:08Joe Rogan?

  Maybe throw her, throw her in space.

• 2:36:09Speaker 01

  Show that woman Katy Perry.

• 2:36:11Joe Rogan?

  Her and Amy Schumer up in a fucking satellite.

• 2:36:13Speaker 01

  Everyone should go out. I'll do it. Me, Amy Schumer, and Meghan Markle in space.

• 2:36:16Joe Rogan?

  That's a show. It's an 11 minute show. What about Meghan McCain? Would you do it with her?

• 2:36:21Speaker 01

  I would absolutely do it. All of us, all of us together. You know, why not?

• 2:36:25Joe Rogan?

  I'd watch that.

• 2:36:26Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 2:36:27Joe Rogan?

  I'd watch that. And if they called it my son's pussy, then justice will be served.

• 2:36:31Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Do you do a big Easter thing?

• 2:36:34Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean?

• 2:36:35Speaker 01

  Just, I don't know. Is it a big, you do like eggs?

• 2:36:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my family?

• 2:36:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, the kids are in high school now. It's a little different.

• 2:36:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:36:43Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:36:43Speaker 01

  They're not dying eggs.

• 2:36:44Joe Rogan?

  Unless there's money in those plastic eggs.

• 2:36:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good point. Nobody cares anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they want money in the egg.

• 2:36:48Joe Rogan?

  There's candy in the house.

• 2:36:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I remember, that's the thing. When you get older, it's just money in there. It's just money. Just take money.

• 2:36:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, once the kids realize that there's no magic person that's delivering.

• 2:36:56Speaker 01

  Then it's all bullshit. Just give me money in the egg.

• 2:36:58Joe Rogan?

  It's like, oh, it's my parents? Because otherwise, they would say, that's weird that Santa's so much nicer to me than he is to those poor people.

• 2:37:05Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 2:37:05Joe Rogan?

  I guess I'm chosen.

• 2:37:07Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 2:37:08Joe Rogan?

  That's a weird thing to say to kids.

• 2:37:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:10Joe Rogan?

  Like, yeah, you got everything on the list, but that kid that gets bust in from the bad neighborhoods, you got nothing.

• 2:37:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true. That's a good point.

• 2:37:18Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:37:19Speaker 01

  But, you know, kids go, Santa's fickle. Santa likes what he likes. He likes the suburbs. Santa likes landing his sled in the burbs.

• 2:37:29Joe Rogan?

  He does.

• 2:37:29Speaker 01

  He feels better about it.

• 2:37:30Joe Rogan?

  It feels really good visiting rich people.

• 2:37:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:33Joe Rogan?

  And he doesn't even talk to the Jews.

• 2:37:34Speaker 01

  No, he's not. He knows.

• 2:37:37Joe Rogan?

  Weird.

• 2:37:37Speaker 01

  He knows. He does his thing.

• 2:37:39Joe Rogan?

  But, you know, if they're the chosen people, why don't they get Santa Claus visits?

• 2:37:42Speaker 01

  Well, they have, they have, they have other things.

• 2:37:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but their other thing, like, they weren't, it wasn't really supposed to be a bunch of gifts until the Christians started getting all the Santa Claus gifts and the Jewish kids are going, "What the fuck is going on, Mom?"

• 2:37:52Speaker 01

  And some of them cheat. Some of them do a little Christmas, too.

• 2:37:55Joe Rogan?

  Some of them have a tree.

• 2:37:56Speaker 01

  Some of them do a little Christmas.

• 2:37:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:58Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 2:37:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:59Speaker 01

  Some of them do a little Christmas. Hopefully, they do this peace.

• 2:38:01Joe Rogan?

  It's fun.

• 2:38:02Speaker 01

  This peace in the Middle East, hopefully. They keep talking about all this, you know, these deals they're all making, hopefully that the Hamas and the Israel, whatever it is, they get, you know, because...

• 2:38:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's one thing that Trump said.

• 2:38:15Speaker 01

  If I get in there, 24 hours, the war's over. Yeah, that's a tough one. 24 is tough.

• 2:38:19Joe Rogan?

  That's obviously...

• 2:38:19Speaker 01

  But I, hopefully, they figure it out because it is, um, it's unfortunate.

• 2:38:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's fucking crazy.

• 2:38:25Speaker 01

  The human toll is unreal.

• 2:38:27Joe Rogan?

  Unreal.

• 2:38:28Speaker 01

  And, you know, it's crazy.

• 2:38:29Joe Rogan?

  Some lady just died. She was the protagonist in some documentary and she just got blown up.

• 2:38:35Speaker 01

  There is an argument to be made that that level of devastation and death is worse than you talking to someone on your podcast.

• 2:38:45Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly.

• 2:38:46Speaker 01

  There is an argument to be made. It's probably not a good one.

• 2:38:49Joe Rogan?

  The amount of damage you can do with just talking.

• 2:38:52Speaker 01

  There is an argument to be made that, you know, starvation and stuff like that and people dying is worse than a podcast.

• 2:39:01Joe Rogan?

  But wait a minute.

• 2:39:02Speaker 01

  I wouldn't make it.

• 2:39:03Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, before you say that.

• 2:39:04Speaker 01

  Have you been there? Right, that's a good point. Have you even, you haven't been? By the way, how is he in all these wars? Can I just go to wars? By the way, how are you allowed, are you allowed to just go to wars? You haven't, you should at least have courtesy of going. Can I just go to wars or do I have to come back and say what people want me to say about the wars? Can I go to the wars and have my own opinions or do I have to have the opinions?

• 2:39:30Joe Rogan?

  Not if you want to go back.

• 2:39:31Speaker 01

  That's right. That's right. It's very interesting, this war tourism. How do I get on this war tourism?

• 2:39:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:36Speaker 01

  I'd like to go to the Ukraine.

• 2:39:38Joe Rogan?

  You should go.

• 2:39:39Speaker 01

  I want to go. I want to go. I want to go to all this war tourism.

• 2:39:41Joe Rogan?

  Do you have any awards that they can melt down and make bullets out of?

• 2:39:44Speaker 01

  Joe, think about this. Do I seem like a guy that has a lot of awards?

• 2:39:49Joe Rogan?

  Didn't you get one of those YouTube plaques when you hit 100,000 subscribers?

• 2:39:51Speaker 01

  I don't even know where they send it. I don't know where, I don't know where they're sending those YouTube plaques.

• 2:39:56Joe Rogan?

  We've got a few of those.

• 2:39:57Speaker 01

  But I like this idea of war tourism. I like the idea of going to a war and then coming back having, having a very black and white view.

• 2:40:05Joe Rogan?

  I've been there.

• 2:40:07Speaker 01

  I get it and I know, and, and, and interesting. Okay. I like that. I like that. I love that.

• 2:40:12Joe Rogan?

  You feel better than the other people.

• 2:40:14Speaker 01

  Well, of course. There's a lot of people, it gets very murky. Most people I know that have been to war have a very murky, complex view of things. But it is good to go to a war and then come back and be as sure as you were before you came.

• 2:40:27Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to go for very long.

• 2:40:28Speaker 01

  No, you go for an hour.

• 2:40:30Joe Rogan?

  Couple hours.

• 2:40:30Speaker 01

  It's a lunch.

• 2:40:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:32Speaker 01

  It's lunch on the front line.

• 2:40:34Joe Rogan?

  Put on a flak jacket that says press.

• 2:40:35Speaker 01

  Tea on the front lines and then you come back and you have all the turkey. Yeah.

• 2:40:39Joe Rogan?

  And if you're on the right side, you probably don't get shot.

• 2:40:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good idea. Well, there doesn't seem to be a ton of danger for a lot of these people going to these wars. They seem fine.

• 2:40:47Joe Rogan?

  If you cross that line and you have a bucket of food with you, they might light you up.

• 2:40:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, I'm gonna go. I'll go to any war and I'll, anything you want. So if you want to, if you want to pay for me to go to a war, I will come back and I go, I saw the Houthis. They're terrifying. They are terrifying. Any war you want. And by the way, any country, if China wants me to, you know, I'm, I'm doing it.

• 2:41:12Joe Rogan?

  Will you go to Moscow?

• 2:41:14Speaker 01

  I would love to go to Moscow. And I said to my friend, um, um, uh, Anna Hoshin from the Red Scare Podcast, I said, should I go to Russia? She goes, you're spiritually Russian and the, the, the, the, the, maybe you won't leave. She says, you, you, you, you, you, you, the oligarch lifestyle might be for you.

• 2:41:37Joe Rogan?

  I can see you eating caviar with flip flops.

• 2:41:40Speaker 01

  Smoked fish. She goes, it might, smoking a cigarette on a yacht. She goes, it might be for you. Listening to people's moral justifications for all kinds of things, you know, going, whoa.

• 2:41:50Joe Rogan?

  I see.

• 2:41:50Speaker 01

  I get it.

• 2:41:51Joe Rogan?

  I get it.

• 2:41:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:41:53Joe Rogan?

  I mean, what else are you gonna do?

• 2:41:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 2:41:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. What happened to those, all those yachts that got confiscated?

• 2:41:59Speaker 01

  I don't know. It's a great question. I bet, I probably, it's some high level version of like a police auto auction, right?

• 2:42:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:42:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 2:42:06Joe Rogan?

  That's what I'm thinking, exactly. Like if.

• 2:42:08Speaker 01

  Maybe those are the ones you sailed to the war. I don't know.

• 2:42:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. When they raid drug dealers' houses and they get those Maseratis, you could buy that Maserati online.

• 2:42:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:42:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know what those yachts are. It's a great, it's a great question. What happens to those yachts? Those very luxurious, that was the first problem I had. Obviously, it's a tragedy, the whole Ukraine war, but I thought, frankly, going around and taking these oligarchs' boats, I was against that.

• 2:42:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's weird.

• 2:42:43Speaker 01

  You work hard for a boat like that.

• 2:42:46Joe Rogan?

  Also, do, how do you know how much they had involved in the Russian government's decision?

• 2:42:55Speaker 01

  They probably had nothing, a lot of them had nothing to do. They just earned money in Russia and they were like, alright, we're gonna sanction everybody. We're gonna confiscate everything. And it's like, okay.

• 2:43:04Joe Rogan?

  But do you think that it was done so that they could, um, make some sort of a rebellion amongst the oligarchs against Putin? Like show them that they're getting hurt?

• 2:43:13Speaker 01

  It, it could be, I think that there was a decision made at some point to not try to end this. They did not, I don't think they wanted to end this quickly. There, there was a decision made to bleed the Russian military and isolate Russia and, and, and try to. Use this as a way to drain the power and resources of Russia?

• 2:43:45Joe Rogan?

  And you think that by capturing these yachts, it creates like internal turmoil?

• 2:43:50Speaker 01

  Not only internal turmoil, but you're now limiting, you know, the ability of these incredibly wealthy people to earn money in countries, you know, you're destroying economic realities that, and then you're saying to these people, "Okay, you know, go figure it out." It's what we said to Russia, but they did, right? They got closer to China, they got closer to Brazil, they traded with India, you know, they started an industrial economy, they started producing their own, you know, munitions and things like that. So they were able to kind of start to weirdly build out this middle class. This was the worst, I think it's the worst thing. If you don't want a country to keep invading other countries,

• 2:44:35Speaker 01

  you certainly wouldn't put them in the position to be stronger while they were doing it.

• 2:44:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's all very weird too with like the killing of that pipeline.

• 2:44:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:44:46Joe Rogan?

  Like, aren't more people reliant now on Russian energy because of that?

• 2:44:50Speaker 01

  All of this seems to have had the opposite effect.

• 2:44:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:54Speaker 01

  All of it seems to have had the opposite, opposite from intended effect.

• 2:44:57Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing is fucking crazy.

• 2:44:58Speaker 01

  It seems odd.

• 2:44:59Joe Rogan?

  It's just crazy that it's going on so long. I was reading this thing about the amount of money foreign countries that have captured these yachts have to pay to maintain them?

• 2:45:09Joe Rogan?

  Why do they have to maintain them?

• 2:45:10Speaker 02

  Why can't they just let them sink? Well, because if you let it go, then you can't sell it and you can't use it, you can't use that money.

• 2:45:15Joe Rogan?

  Right, so they're definitely selling them.

• 2:45:16Speaker 02

  That's what one of them says, "The money for one would have gone to Ukraine right here."

• 2:45:20Joe Rogan?

  Okay, seizure came as Washington ramped up sanction enforcement against people close to the Russian president, pressured Moscow to halt its war against Ukraine.

• 2:45:31Joe Rogan?

  So how many more?

• 2:45:32Speaker 02

  This one got sanctioned because the guy apparently paid a million dollars to keep it maintained and they caught him for doing that. Now he lost his boat.

• 2:45:42Speaker 01

  I mean, this is insane.

• 2:45:44Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:45:45Speaker 01

  We should give them-

• 2:45:46Joe Rogan?

  He violated US sanctions by making more than $1 million in maintenance payments.

• 2:45:51Speaker 01

  We should have a day where if the Russia-Ukraine wars ended, we give all the oligarchs back their boats and they do like a regatta, like a thing where they all with their boats down in Florida or Palm Beach and they all just are reunited with their boats.

• 2:46:03Joe Rogan?

  Look at this seized yacht costs $7 million a year to maintain.

• 2:46:07Speaker 02

  That one was in being held in Fiji, so the US took it over because Fiji couldn't afford to take care of it.

• 2:46:12Speaker 01

  It's a money pit.

• 2:46:13Joe Rogan?

  How much can you get it for right now?

• 2:46:14Speaker 01

  Well, that's the question.

• 2:46:15Joe Rogan?

  300 million.

• 2:46:16Speaker 01

  That's tough.

• 2:46:17Joe Rogan?

  Listen.

• 2:46:18Speaker 01

  That's a tough one.

• 2:46:19Joe Rogan?

  Maybe if this YouTube thing really takes off.

• 2:46:22Speaker 02

  600K a month to maintain.

• 2:46:24Speaker 01

  That's a tough one.

• 2:46:25Joe Rogan?

  Whoa. It said it's been excessive, justifying an auction. They also said talks to have, how do you say his name? Kudinatov pay for the yacht's upkeep have broken down. Prosecutors, yeah, why would he pay for the upkeep when you're gonna fucking steal it from him anyway? Prosecutors say in previous court filings that Kudinov, Kudinatov is acting as the Almeida's straw owner to disguise Kermanov's role and that maintenance payments are essential to preserving a yacht's value.

• 2:47:00Speaker 01

  Me and Sam Talent walked around Monaco, we were performing in the UK and we took a little break to go down to France for two days. And we're walking around Monaco and we said to the guy, there's all these yachts in Monaco, we said, um, who owns these yachts? And he goes, well, he goes, if you look up online the names of these yachts, you can trace them back to businesses and you trace that business back to a person. And I said, so that person owns the yacht? He goes, no, you'll never find out who owns these yachts. He goes, there's absolutely. He goes, good luck with that.

• 2:47:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:34Speaker 01

  He goes, it's very hard to find out who owns the yachts. And he goes, even if you think you know, you may not know, or it might be more complicated than you think. There it is. There's Monaco.

• 2:47:44Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:47:45Speaker 01

  They like a super yacht. I, I mean, it's just such an interesting, just a haven of international crime.

• 2:47:51Joe Rogan?

  So how many people have that kind of money? That's what's crazy. Like, these are all three hundred million dollar houses that are on wheels.

• 2:47:59Speaker 01

  This is a haven of.

• 2:48:00Joe Rogan?

  On the water.

• 2:48:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is a haven of international criminality.

• 2:48:03Joe Rogan?

  And look how close they parked to each other, just wee.

• 2:48:05Speaker 01

  No income tax, no property tax.

• 2:48:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:08Speaker 01

  Fun.

• 2:48:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Monaco's fascinating. The amount of wealth that I saw when I was there is crazy. The amount of like expensive cars, they were everywhere. And people were just driving them around like it was a car show. Like, it was everywhere. All over the street was Ferraris and Lamborghinis and G wagons.

• 2:48:25Speaker 01

  Sun Real.

• 2:48:26Joe Rogan?

  S classes. It's like everywhere you look, there's Bentleys.

• 2:48:30Speaker 01

  Well, those are the people we're talking about. Those are the people who are like, we're living here.

• 2:48:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:34Speaker 01

  And you ain't.

• 2:48:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:36Speaker 01

  And you'll deal with it.

• 2:48:37Joe Rogan?

  And it's a small spot, too.

• 2:48:39Speaker 01

  Well, they like it like that. They keep it nice like that.

• 2:48:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:44Joe Rogan?

  And you gotta tap on the window if you want to go in the store.

• 2:48:47Speaker 01

  That might be where I'd do my podcast from eventually.

• 2:48:49Joe Rogan?

  You might have to.

• 2:48:50Speaker 01

  Just go to Monaco.

• 2:48:51Joe Rogan?

  Might be the only place.

• 2:48:52Speaker 01

  I just flee.

• 2:48:52Joe Rogan?

  Where it doesn't get censored.

• 2:48:53Speaker 01

  Just flee. And just live on a tiny boat, like a tugboat.

• 2:48:56Joe Rogan?

  The end is not good. It would have been really rough if Kamala won. They would have clamped out on you and me.

• 2:49:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:01Joe Rogan?

  And everybody like us, I think.

• 2:49:03Speaker 01

  It would have been a fun jail, though.

• 2:49:04Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:49:05Speaker 01

  It would have been our own El Salvador in jail.

• 2:49:07Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they would have put us together.

• 2:49:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, probably. But all the tech people would have magically became Democrats again.

• 2:49:11Speaker 02

  You can just see a couple of these are just gigantic compared to some of the other ones.

• 2:49:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:49:16Joe Rogan?

  Look at the size.

• 2:49:17Speaker 01

  By the way, you know what's funny? The, the, the regular ones are also massively big. They're huge.

• 2:49:21Joe Rogan?

  But the guys with the regular ones are really jealous of the guy with the super big one.

• 2:49:25Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 2:49:26Joe Rogan?

  That's what's crazy. They're all keeping up with the Joneses and they're all fueling AI to take over.

• 2:49:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think we figured it all out.

• 2:49:37Speaker 01

  We did. I appreciate you always having me here to figure it out.

• 2:49:41Joe Rogan?

  I appreciate you always being here.

• 2:49:43Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 2:49:43Joe Rogan?

  Anytime.

• 2:49:44Speaker 01

  Thank you, brother.

• 2:49:45Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure. Uh, I'm your mother.

• 2:49:47Speaker 01

  On Netflix.

• 2:49:47Joe Rogan?

  On Netflix, right now. It's awesome. You're the best. Appreciate you very much.

• 2:49:51Speaker 01

  Appreciate you.

• 2:49:52Joe Rogan?

  All right. Bye, everybody.

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