#2463 - Steve-O

Steve-O is a stunt performer, comedian, television personality, and host of the “Wild Ride! with Steve-O” podcast. He is currently performing live on the “Crash and Burn!” tour.www.steveo.comwww.youtube.com/@steveo Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit https://gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit https://ccpg.org (CT), or visit https://www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). Pass-thru of per wager tax may apply in IL. 1 per new customer. Must register new account to receive reward Token. Must select Token BEFORE placing min. $5 bet to receive $200 in Bonus Bets if your bet wins. Min. -500 odds req. Token and Bonus Bets are single-use and non-withdrawable. Bet must settle by and Token expires 3/15/26. Bonus Bets expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 3/8/26 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Visit https://ketone.com/Rogan for 30% OFF, or find Ketone-IQ at Target nationwide. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  Headphones? No headphones?

• 0:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't need headphones.

• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  You don't? We're going no headphones. Fuck it. What's up, dog? How are you?

• 0:18Speaker 03

  Well, dude, it's been a roller coaster for me, man.

• 0:21Joe Rogan?

  Since the last time I saw you?

• 0:23Speaker 03

  Uh, big time.

• 0:24Joe Rogan?

  What happened?

• 0:25Speaker 03

  Well, um, let's see here. Um, the, uh, the year of 2022, last time I saw you, I think it was 2023.

• 0:37Joe Rogan?

  Was it that long ago?

• 0:38Speaker 03

  I think it was, man.

• 0:39Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 0:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. And, uh, man, dude, I was on high the, the year of 2022. Like, we had, uh, our Jackass movie in theaters, number one, the big, like, you know, my profile was all, you know, like, white hot. Um, the world just opened up from the pandemic and everybody had stimulus money and they were just revenge spending. Everyone wanted to go out to shows and there were no interest rates. Money was free. It was just like a perfect storm for me to have the most successful year of my life, like, more than double what my next

• 1:17Speaker 03

  most successful year was. And then, like, I don't know, maybe I just got, like, uh, super, super high on that, you know? Like, and I was just like, I was just kind of printing money, you know, like, selling merch like crazy and like, everything was just going so well. And, um, I don't know if maybe, like, you become more successful and, like, people get angry at you, you know? But, uh, there's a, like, a point after that where I felt like, man, the internet turned on me, kinda, you know? Like, I saw a lot of negative comments, people saying that, uh, like, all I do is promote merch, you know?

• 2:01Speaker 03

  Like, there was, uh, there's a bunch of different stuff and I, um... Legitimately agree, that's my thing is when I see a negative comment about me, if I agree with it, then it really bothers me, you know, and I gotta do something about it, you know? I think, and I've heard you say that, that, you know, that, that, that taking criticism constructively is like, super helpful.

• 2:26Joe Rogan?

  It's very helpful. The problem with the internet is, this, it's overwhelming. It's too many, too many voices.

• 2:32Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:32Joe Rogan?

  Too many different people. That's why I would never recommend for a person like you to even read the comments.

• 2:36Speaker 03

  Right. I, well, what I did was, um...

• 2:40Joe Rogan?

  Do you have a dick tattooed on your right eyebrow? Is that what that is?

• 2:44Speaker 03

  That's exactly...

• 2:45Joe Rogan?

  How long do you have to keep that for?

• 2:46Speaker 03

  I don't have to keep it for any amount of time, but...

• 2:48Joe Rogan?

  It's not a bet or anything?

• 2:49Speaker 03

  I mean, it is a bet, how long I last before I get lasered off.

• 2:53Joe Rogan?

  And is there a money value to this bet?

• 2:57Speaker 03

  No, it's more of an experiment.

• 2:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 3:00Speaker 03

  But I've been doing really well with it and...

• 3:02Joe Rogan?

  It's not even a good dick. It's like a weird dick, like a banana dick.

• 3:08Speaker 03

  It's, it's, it's, uh, it's pretty awesome.

• 3:12Speaker 03

  And it, and it was, uh...

• 3:13Joe Rogan?

  Are you bad at taking criticism?

• 3:17Speaker 03

  It, uh, it, it, it was done by Post Malone.

• 3:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, it makes it even better.

• 3:22Speaker 03

  Very, it makes it awesome, yeah. I don't expect to keep it forever, but I was very shocked when I got it, that my life didn't really change a whole lot.

• 3:31Joe Rogan?

  Eh, it's you.

• 3:32Speaker 03

  Right.

• 3:33Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like if, uh, you know, Marco Rubio got a dick tattooed on his forehead, he'd be like, "Hey, take his fucking clearance away."

• 3:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, but in any case, man, like, um, I, uh, I just, you couldn't be more right. There's so many voices and everything, but I agreed with a bunch of stuff and, um, you know, I spent like under 2024, 2025, like, like very mindfully, um, addressing the, you know, the criticism with which I agreed. And I felt like I made like really good progress, you know, like sort of repairing my, my reputation, even though maybe I didn't even need to.

• 4:16Joe Rogan?

  I don't think you needed to.

• 4:18Speaker 03

  Maybe not. But, uh, and, and then coming into 2026, I was like, wow, I did this. I, I, I, uh, texted you. I was like, dude, I got on this Mr. Beast thing. I won the whole damn thing. And, uh, you know, there was this video he made thirty celebrities compete to win a million dollars for charity.

• 4:38Joe Rogan?

  Ah, who were you on with?

• 4:39Speaker 03

  Uh, dude, it was, uh, Matt Rife was one of them.

• 4:42Joe Rogan?

  Ah, cool.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  Sal Volcano.

• 4:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice.

• 4:45Speaker 03

  Howie Mandel, Diplo.

• 4:47Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 4:48Speaker 03

  The Bella Twins.

• 4:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's, so that's a crazy group of people.

• 4:52Speaker 03

  It was really crazy.

• 4:53Joe Rogan?

  He said there's twenty, twenty two? Thirty, oh, wow.

• 4:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, thirty, like, like, not half-ass celebrities by any measure. And, uh, yeah, I won the whole damn thing, which was...

• 5:03Joe Rogan?

  So what was involved? What'd you have to do?

• 5:05Speaker 03

  Um, there was, uh, the, I mean, it was, it was an exercise in promoting his Beast Games on Prime.

• 5:13Joe Rogan?

  Uh-huh.

• 5:13Speaker 03

  Which, by the way, is the most phenomenal TV show that I've ever watched.

• 5:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, my daughter was just telling me about it. She was saying it's so good.

• 5:20Speaker 03

  It is unbelievably good, and, and I'm not being paid to say that.

• 5:24Joe Rogan?

  He's a wizard, man. That dude's very smart.

• 5:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I got to...

• 5:27Joe Rogan?

  He, he's like a really interesting guy, cause he's kind of open about what he does, and he tells people how to do it.

• 5:33Speaker 03

  Right.

• 5:33Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, how to manipulate the algorithm, and how to get people to get excited and click on your link based on what the images and the text says, and...

• 5:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:42Joe Rogan?

  He thinks about all that shit, you know?

• 5:44Speaker 03

  I, I was able to have him on my podcast, uh, like, right, right when the thing came out.

• 5:50Joe Rogan?

  Uh-huh.

• 5:50Speaker 03

  And, uh, he was telling me that, um, that he was pretty close to recording a podcast with you on the top of the pyramid.

• 5:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I couldn't make it out there. I didn't have the time.

• 6:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, but, you know, he, he, he's amazing, and I thought when that thing came out, I was like, man, this is just gonna, like, be life all the time.

• 6:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's the thing, people got mad at him. They got mad at him when he was filming in Egypt, because he was filming with, uh, Zahi Hawass. And Zahi is the, what is he, the head of the Ministry of Antiquities, is that what it is? Or he was at one point in time, and he was one of, you know, my most controversial podcast guests. People did not like him.

• 6:28Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 6:28Joe Rogan?

  Because he's kind of, he pushes a narrative in defiance of all the evidence that has been sort of uncovered by all these other people. It's like, there's this evidence that shows that...

• 6:46Joe Rogan?

  You know, the pyramids are Okay, so you're not talking about Mr. Beast? You know, Mr. Beast, because Mr. Beast did something with him and a lot of people online are mad at him for having this guy on. And it's the guy who pushes the narrative. Like, nobody knows how they built the pyramids. And he's like, "They built it because it was a national project." And I was like, "Come on, bro." Like, that's a fun thing to say, but that doesn't tell me how they got all those rocks there. Tell me how they got 2,300,000 stones that weigh between 2 and like 80 tons? And they moved them through the mountains, some of them, 500 miles away. Like, well, tell me how they did that. Tell me how they aligned it to true north, south, east and west 4,500-plus years ago? And it's more likely plus than minus? I mean, nobody knows.

• 7:31Joe Rogan?

  So that was really controversial. A lot of people mad at Mr. Beast for that. What in the, like, the algorithm that I have. People are calling him a shill and letting this guy say nonsense on your show. Wow, okay. So that's the point. It's like, don't listen. Right, right, right. Like, nobody gives a shit. None of Mr. Beast's fans are like, "We're gonna abandon him. He has Songheo Woshan spitting out propaganda." Nobody cares, man. Right, right. There's just too many voices. And if you... Look at yourself. If you feel like, "Oh, I'm kinda whoring out my merch too much," just back off of it. Yeah, yeah, that's what it did. That's what it did. He gets shit for everything because he's uber-successful. Right. Right? So everything he does, like, it could be like, "He only gave away a million dollars to charity."

• 8:15Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking ridiculous, man. Like, you'll never make all those people happy. They don't wanna be happy. That's a big part of what's going on. You're jumping into a pool of mentally ill people and trying to stay clean. They're like, "Guys, guys, guys, let's be reasonable." They're not reasonable. They're fucking suicidal. They know what a gun tastes like. They've had it in their mouth recently. This is not a place where you're gonna get, like, rational discourse.

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• 12:03Speaker 03

  I, but again, it's when I agree with stuff that, that, that.

• 12:06Joe Rogan?

  Right, that it bothers you.

• 12:07Speaker 03

  Right.

• 12:07Joe Rogan?

  But do that to yourself.

• 12:08Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 12:09Joe Rogan?

  Just look at yourself. Take a moment.

• 12:11Speaker 03

  Like, like there was a, I don't know if I was burned out, like if I was touring, but like, um, there was a point going through 2022 in particular, 2023, where like, I just, I, I would lose my mind over people being disruptive in the audience at my shows. Like, I don't even wanna, um, call them hecklers, because I think like heckler has like a connotation of wittiness to it. I'm talking about just drunk shitheads, just

• 12:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 12:43Speaker 03

  yelling, yelling out and, and disrupting the show. And I would take the position, I'd be like, man, you know, ah, the, this whole audience of people paid their hard earned money to come see this show. And this one person yelling out is just fundamentally disrespecting everybody who's here. And I'm not standing for it. I'm drawing a har, you know, and I would be like, I would, I would, I would snap, be like, no, I would be throwing people out. What happened was, everybody thought I was a dick, you know, and like, maybe so, like, maybe I was burned out and it was like

• 13:18Joe Rogan?

  You were overreacting, right.

• 13:20Speaker 03

  Overreacting. And, and like, that's, that's another piece of criticism that I really, really took to heart. And now, it's been over two years.

• 13:30Speaker 03

  Like well over two years since I even scolded an audience member or throw them out.

• 13:35Joe Rogan?

  That's great. You just gotta kinda put that energy out there at the beginning. We're all here to have a good time. You know, we're all here to have a good time. Let them know. It's like, like if someone's yelling out like, come on, man. Keep it to yourself. Stay calm. Hold it together.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  If I get like really pushed in an egregious situation, the farthest I'll go is I'll say, hey, you know what, guys? I used to get really bent out of shape over people being disruptive, but I don't do it anymore. And that tends to do. And as soon as I stopped reacting so much, like the problem mellowed out.

• 14:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, you gotta realize like your entire career, you've kinda been a disruptor.

• 14:12Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 14:13Joe Rogan?

  So it's kind of natural that disruptive people would be attracted to come to your show.

• 14:18Speaker 03

  Of course, of course.

• 14:19Joe Rogan?

  And then you're saying, please be polite at this moment in time.

• 14:23Speaker 03

  Right. Yeah, like you're about to see me put some things up my butt and I demand respect.

• 14:29Joe Rogan?

  Is that what you do in your show? You put stuff up your butt?

• 14:31Speaker 03

  Well, it's a multimedia show, so um, so it like it.

• 14:35Joe Rogan?

  So of course you put something up. It's multimedia. I mean, that's self-explanatory, Jamie. What's with the questions, Jamie? God.

• 14:45Speaker 03

  Right.

• 14:47Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I still to this day cringe when Tim Kennedy choked you unconscious and then let you drop. I was mad at him.

• 14:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, that.

• 14:55Joe Rogan?

  I was mad at him. He didn't have to let you drop like that.

• 14:57Speaker 03

  I did ask him to drop me, which was wrong.

• 15:00Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 15:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:01Joe Rogan?

  I would've said no. If you made me do that to you, first of all, I would've tried to talk you out of it. But then I would've said, there's no way I'm gonna let you drop.

• 15:07Speaker 03

  In hindsight, it wasn't particularly funny.

• 15:11Joe Rogan?

  Not only was it not funny, it was like super disturbing.

• 15:14Speaker 03

  Right.

• 15:14Joe Rogan?

  I would've put a cushion under you at the very least, you know, like a nice, like a, like a, one of them judo pads where you throw people on.

• 15:22Speaker 03

  Being choked out in and of itself is not.

• 15:25Joe Rogan?

  Not that bad.

• 15:26Speaker 03

  It's not, it's not really a dangerous thing.

• 15:27Joe Rogan?

  Probably not the best way.

• 15:28Speaker 03

  Right.

• 15:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know what the data is. I don't think a lot of jujitsu people have done double-blind placebo-controlled studies on tap or no tap. What's the best for your brain?

• 15:39Speaker 03

  Right.

• 15:40Joe Rogan?

  I can't think it's good that your brain gets shut off for a few seconds. I can't think it's good, you know?

• 15:45Speaker 03

  One of the gnarliest things I've ever done in my life, if not the gnarliest. Um, way back in two thousand and three, we had just had the first Jackass movie come out. While filming for the first Jackass movie, one of the bits that it was never used because it was too dark.

• 16:05Joe Rogan?

  Too fucked up?

• 16:06Speaker 03

  Too, yeah.

• 16:06Joe Rogan?

  For Jackass?

• 16:07Speaker 03

  For Jackass. Right.

• 16:09Joe Rogan?

  Do you have a clip of this?

• 16:11Speaker 03

  Um, of, of what, I'm sure that it exists.

• 16:15Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 16:15Speaker 03

  But you'll appreciate this, the, the legend Gene LaBelle.

• 16:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Judo Gene.

• 16:21Speaker 03

  Judo Gene, the legend.

• 16:22Joe Rogan?

  A real legend.

• 16:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, like they had Gene LaBelle, they lined up the whole cast of Jackass and he just went down the line.

• 16:30Joe Rogan?

  Just choked it all out?

• 16:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, and like the swiftness with which he got it.

• 16:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, he was a brutal man.

• 16:35Speaker 03

  I mean, it was just like, and he was just like, sorry.

• 16:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, super nice guy, but a brutal man.

• 16:41Speaker 03

  Right, and it was, it wasn't even brutal though, it was like gentle.

• 16:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 16:45Speaker 03

  I mean, it was just so fast, it was just.

• 16:47Joe Rogan?

  His style was, uh, known for being particularly painful. He, uh, my friend Silvio Pimenta was one of his students and he was one of my first jujitsu instructors. And he taught me a bunch of Gene stuff and I was like, oh, what a mean guy. Some of his stuff was so mean, it was like knuckles in your neck and like real, real crazy shit that Gene would do to people. It was like particularly painful.

• 17:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, there you go.

• 17:10Joe Rogan?

  There you go, out cold, oh yeah, that looks gentle. Super gentle, no, I'm not even kidding, like the way he's doing it, I mean, his technique is so flawless.

• 17:19Speaker 03

  You know, that, um, Chuck, Chuck LaDell was really good at it too, he choked me out one time. Um, so.

• 17:26Joe Rogan?

  Who did he punch, who did he punch in the arm, full blast? Some, someone like that, one of you guys.

• 17:33Speaker 03

  Oh, that would have been before Jackass.

• 17:36Joe Rogan?

  Was it Jason Ellis? I forget who it was, but someone let Chuck full blast right hand him in the arm. I'm like, well, that arm's useless for a couple of months now. What a fucking cra- that's not, like your buddy punching you in the arm versus Chuck, he's gonna rip some stuff apart in there. He might blow your shoulder out, like that's crazy to let that guy hit you.

• 17:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, what a sweetheart too.

• 17:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's a great guy. Chuck, Chuck was the weirdest, because when he was in his prime, like you look at him, he was so scary. Cause he's tall, he was fucking built like a brick shithouse, mohawk, tattoo on his head, super kind. Like you talk to him, super calm and relaxed and.

• 18:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, spent a bunch of time with.

• 18:15Joe Rogan?

  Great fucking guy, great fucking guy.

• 18:18Speaker 03

  Okay, so Gene LaBelle like choked, just lays this all down one by one.

• 18:22Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 18:23Speaker 03

  Like, they considered it too dark, they didn't even like.

• 18:26Joe Rogan?

  Just because he went unconscious?

• 18:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, just like.

• 18:28Joe Rogan?

  What year was this?

• 18:29Speaker 03

  In 2002, that we filmed the first one.

• 18:32Joe Rogan?

  People weren't used to being choked out yet. The UFC didn't really get big until 2005.

• 18:35Speaker 03

  Right, because of Chuck.

• 18:37Joe Rogan?

  Really? Well, it was really because of Stefan Bonner and Forrest Griffin.

• 18:40Speaker 03

  Right, right, right, right.

• 18:41Joe Rogan?

  That one fight on the ult- it's crazy. One fight on the Ultimate Fighter changed the course of of the history of the sport.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  That was the premiere on Spike, yeah.

• 18:52Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh. Because there was a good fight before that. Diego Sanchez beat Kenny Florian. So that was before that. That was a really good fight, too. And then, but, but that was like, you know, Diego beat his ass. Whereas the Stefan Bonner, Forrest Griffin fight was a crazy like, like completely even fight.

• 19:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:12Joe Rogan?

  And two dudes who knew each other really well, and they were fucking going for it. They said that during the time, you know, like, maybe a million people were watching it at first, and the peak was like six or seven million, which for them was nuts. So what that meant was, everybody was calling their friend, and go, "Dude, turn on Spike TV right now, this is crazy." And like, what is this? Like, no one knew what it was back then. Like, they had heard of Hoist Gracie, but no one knew that it was gonna be on TV, and they're like, boom, that was it. And then, they had Chuck as the champion, which was the perfect champion for an emerging sport. This guy was just a seek-and-destroy psychopath with a tattoo, like Kanji tattoo on his head and a mohawk, just fucking starching people. Woo!

• 19:57Speaker 03

  I remember that era, too.

• 19:59Joe Rogan?

  Wild time.

• 19:59Speaker 03

  I mean, year 2000 was when Jackass came out on MTV.

• 20:04Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 20:05Speaker 03

  And, I mean, at that time, you couldn't watch video on the internet.

• 20:09Joe Rogan?

  That was the dark times. That was when it was banned from cable, and you could only watch- I got DirecTV because it was the only way you could watch the UFC. That's why I got DirecTV.

• 20:19Speaker 03

  Um, and, and, and, uh...

• 20:23Speaker 03

  The media just wasn't so fragmented at that time. There were only so many TV channels. There was no social media, no video on the internet.

• 20:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 20:31Speaker 03

  So when something hit on a basic cable.

• 20:34Joe Rogan?

  It hit big, yeah, yeah.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  And I think the most views, the most concurrent viewers on MTV that we got was like 4.5 million. So, and, and that.

• 20:47Joe Rogan?

  For cable, that's a lot.

• 20:48Speaker 03

  That moved the needle in a big way.

• 20:50Joe Rogan?

  That's unheard of now.

• 20:51Speaker 03

  Right.

• 20:52Joe Rogan?

  Which is really kind of crazy if you think about it.

• 20:53Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 20:54Joe Rogan?

  That's how much things have gotten diluted because there's so many shows. It's impossible to watch everything.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  Right.

• 21:00Joe Rogan?

  Every time I turn on Apple TV, there's some new interesting show. There's a fucking million of them on Amazon Prime that you've never even heard of that are really good. They're all over the place.

• 21:10Speaker 03

  Right. Mate, you know, I had a really great conversation with Mark McGrath, the guy from Sugar Ray.

• 21:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 21:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's a, I just fell in love with this guy. I had him on my podcast. And he made such a valid point about how the 90s, 90s nostalgia is so rad because it was really the last time when everybody watched the same shows on TV together.

• 21:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 21:39Speaker 03

  You know, like, like all the albums came out on the Tuesday, like whatever, you know, like everything, every, it was a communal audience for everything. We don't have that anymore.

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• 23:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, we knew when albums were gonna be released and everybody got excited about it. Oh, the new Van Halen. Woo! Yeah, it was a fun time. It was an interesting time. And it was a time, like, before the internet. You had to find out about stuff from friends. You know? Like, I remember I was headed to a gig with this dude. God, I wish I could remember his last name. But he was really funny. Johnny something. Fuck! I'll remember it eventually. But we were on our way to this comic from Connecticut. We were on our way to a gig together. And he's like, "Have you heard of the brand-new heavies?" And I go, "No, who are they?" He goes, "It's a jazz band, and they linked up with a bunch of rappers and made this Heavy Rhyme Experience album." It was fucking incredible!

• 23:50Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, "I would've never found out about this."

• 23:52Speaker 03

  That sounds sick.

• 23:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's sick, dude. There's one with Gang Star that's great. It's getting hectic. It's fucking great. Because it's like, you've got this music that's like, this, like, real live band music. Sort of like how that Tiny Desk Show does it now.

• 24:08Speaker 03

  See, I don't even know the Tiny Desk Show.

• 24:11Joe Rogan?

  But, like, you've got, like, Cool G Rap.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  Oh, dude, Cool G Rap.

• 24:15Joe Rogan?

  That's it, Johnny Rizzo. How did you do that?

• 24:18Speaker 06

  That's another trick.

• 24:20Joe Rogan?

  How the fuck did you do that? Shout out to Johnny Rizzo. Is he around still? He was a funny dude.

• 24:31Joe Rogan?

  He had like a rubber face. The dude could make the craziest faces. You're like, it was so funny.

• 24:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. Back to the choking out thing. I think the reason why it was a dark and disturbing.

• 24:42Joe Rogan?

  Cause you guys were twitching when you're out.

• 24:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's the twitching. When you get choked out, you're twitching.

• 24:47Joe Rogan?

  That's just waking up.

• 24:49Speaker 03

  It's a little bit upsetting. But the...

• 24:52Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. All the shit you guys did that they left in.

• 24:55Speaker 03

  Well, yeah. And another big problem is that with the choking out, it's particularly imitatable. That's something that we gotta worry about.

• 25:05Speaker 03

  If it's something that little kids could like pretty easily imitate, then that's more problematic for us. But in that whole, you know, experience, Ryan Dunn just came away feeling qualified to start choking people out himself.

• 25:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh no.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  I don't know that Ryan Dunn had any kind of combat sports background. I kinda doubt it. I think it was literally just from this one experience with Gene LaBelle, kind of watching it happen, having the experience himself, he just started choking people out. And back then, I had a wildly different style of tour, but I was on tour nonetheless. And Ryan Dunn would be with me on tour. He would say to the audience, "Who wants to get on stage and get choked out?" And even back then, I was like out of my mind on drugs. And I was like, "Please don't be doing this." It really, really bothered me. It made me so uncomfortable. I would leave the stage when Ryan Dunn was choking out audience members.

• 26:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's so crazy that they signed up for that.

• 26:13Speaker 03

  Right. And people would be jumping up and down like, "Please, please, please."

• 26:17Joe Rogan?

  Did he let them down? He didn't drop them?

• 26:18Speaker 03

  He did let them down, definitely. But it bothered me so much until the one day when I'd been on cocaine for like three days in a row. And I was feeling a little bit self-conscious about how little like very intense footage that I had been generating. And I was like, "You know what? Today's my day. Ryan Dunn choked me out." And so he did it once, and then he did it again. We spent the whole day, six times in a row.

• 26:54Speaker 03

  And each time, it became more like violent, throwing me down. So that's number two.

• 27:03Joe Rogan?

  It seems like he's having fun with your body after it's out. He's sort of just ragdolling you.

• 27:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:11Joe Rogan?

  Dude.

• 27:12Speaker 03

  Six of them in one day.

• 27:14Joe Rogan?

  That's too much.

• 27:15Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, the last one.

• 27:16Joe Rogan?

  That rarely happens in training.

• 27:19Speaker 03

  Right.

• 27:20Joe Rogan?

  Usually you tap out.

• 27:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, after this one, I think there's two more, and the, the last one is just so upsetting.

• 27:28Joe Rogan?

  This one?

• 27:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I guess it's the one where, where he threw me on my head.

• 27:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, dude.

• 27:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, like right.

• 27:35Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to see, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 27:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, I landed right on my face, dude.

• 27:40Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, man, why did he do that?

• 27:42Speaker 03

  I, because.

• 27:43Joe Rogan?

  You wanted it to be more exciting?

• 27:44Speaker 03

  I think that, like.

• 27:46Joe Rogan?

  And the cocaine.

• 27:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, there was cocaine falling out of my nose in the shot, because I put it there.

• 27:56Joe Rogan?

  Jeez, boy.

• 27:57Speaker 03

  Right, and so I think that's probably the gnarliest thing.

• 27:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:00Speaker 03

  But, but in any case, so.

• 28:02Joe Rogan?

  Did you get hurt from that at all?

• 28:04Speaker 03

  Uh, I think I had a broken tooth.

• 28:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, from falling in your face?

• 28:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:08Joe Rogan?

  Did you get hurt at all from the repeated chokings?

• 28:10Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 28:11Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 28:12Speaker 03

  It's pretty amazing, given what I've put myself through.

• 28:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, incredible.

• 28:16Speaker 03

  Both professionally and personally, that, like, I've, I have good recall, like, you know, pretty.

• 28:22Joe Rogan?

  How many times, Johnny told me he's been knocked out unconscious sixteen times. How many times do you think?

• 28:27Speaker 03

  I'm not at that level. Um, I got knocked out, um, in the WWE ring.

• 28:36Joe Rogan?

  Oy.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  On Monday Night Raw. It was, dude, this was, this was a heavy one, man.

• 28:42Joe Rogan?

  Which you get hit with?

• 28:43Speaker 03

  Uh, and it was an elbow that really put me out.

• 28:46Joe Rogan?

  Who hit you?

• 28:47Speaker 03

  Umaga. This is, they call his, his fighter name in the WWE was the Samoan Bulldozer.

• 28:53Joe Rogan?

  Bro, Samoan's got some heavy bones.

• 28:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, so.

• 28:56Joe Rogan?

  You don't want to get hit by a Samoan.

• 28:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, dude, I bet you can bring that one up really easy.

• 29:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 29:01Speaker 03

  The Monday Night Raw, Steve O and Chris Pontius. We were promoting the second Jackass movie. So, we're gonna get in the ring. We're getting in the ring, we're doing a whole match. And it's fascinating the way that they kind of block out what the matches are. It's kind of like a jam band.

• 29:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 29:21Speaker 03

  You know, like a jam band that you've got like the kind of tent pole moments and then you just kind of fill it in. But it's like, there's kind of, this is gonna happen, this is gonna happen, this is gonna happen. And what was to be the last move, it's called a splash, where this 350-pound Samoan bulldozer is gonna jump off the top rope and with me laying on the ground and like body slam, you know, off the top rope. But what I didn't understand, what I didn't know, is that the match for it to be over, that means the person who lost like stops moving.

• 29:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's the only way?

• 29:59Speaker 03

  Well, you're not supposed to move around.

• 30:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you moved around.

• 30:03Speaker 03

  I moved, it's so like-

• 30:04Joe Rogan?

  So he put you to sleep?

• 30:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, like he jumped off the top rope and it was such a devastating blow that I couldn't help but react, you know? I was like, oh, you know, like, whoa, like and I'm laughing and rolling around, like I can't even believe it. And he's looking at me like, oh, now I'm disrespecting him because I'm moving around.

• 30:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 30:24Speaker 03

  So he hits me again and I'm confused because I understood that what just happened was supposed to be the final move. But now he just hit me again and I'm like, what are you doing? You know, like, but he's like, if I'm gonna move around, he's gonna keep hitting me.

• 30:38Joe Rogan?

  Nobody told you that?

• 30:39Speaker 03

  Right, and so then he hits me again and-

• 30:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, we got pretty radical.

• 30:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's a, okay, this is-

• 30:55Speaker 03

  Dude, he drops his elbow. They didn't even show the end of the match. They went to commercial because it was too dark for the WWE to show. See, right there, not supposed to be over, but I'm moving around.

• 31:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, so now he's kicking me and I'm like, wait, that dude, I think that elbow was what put me out. And they, they cut to the commercial, I don't remember leaving the ring.

• 31:31Joe Rogan?

  Wow, yeah, that elbow looked pretty fucking hard, dude.

• 31:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, they, right there.

• 31:35Joe Rogan?

  But it's also all the other banging of your brain. I mean, this is a lot of banging of your brain, the body slams are banging of your brain.

• 31:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you definitely got a concussion from that one, son.

• 31:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, um.

• 31:47Joe Rogan?

  Those dudes get concussions all the time. You don't think about it because you think, oh, it's wrestling, it's pro wrestling. But just the physical contact's unavoidable. Those guys, when Hulk Hogan came in here, man, it was one of the saddest things. I'd met him a long time ago, um, in Beverly Hills. I ran into him in front of a cigar bar, I was like, holy shit, he was gigantic. And then I met him the second time when he did, well, I met him another time when he, he and I did a Spike TV thing, it was awesome. Uh, and then he came in to do the podcast and he had so many back surgeries that he was like six inches shorter.

• 32:22Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 32:23Joe Rogan?

  It was crazy. It's because they have to fuse all of his discs. And he had a cane everywhere, man, he was fucked up. And he said it was from that thing that he would do where he would drop down on his ass with an elbow. So every time he did that, he fucked his back up. I mean, think about how big he was in his prime, three hundred plus pounds, right? So every time you're dropping down, your body's taking the shock on your ass bone of three hundred plus pounds flying through the air and bouncing off the ground. So all of his discs got herniated, he had to get them all fused, it was horrible, man.

• 32:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:56Joe Rogan?

  Those guys get fucking busted up.

• 32:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:59Joe Rogan?

  The Rock is like a weird, well, he's an outlier. Because I don't know what kind of physical issues he has, but he doesn't even have any. Like, I worked out with him, he's mobile, he could do stuff, he looks amazing. So I don't know how he got through that insane long career and not got busted up.

• 33:18Speaker 03

  Yep. I feel like a star called Steve Austin, uh, is in reasonably good shape, too.

• 33:24Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, I don't know about that one. But I know a lot of those guys, man, they, they leave that career and, you know, they have fake hips, fake backs fused. Everybody has something wrong.

• 33:35Speaker 03

  Yep. I've been pretty lucky, like, for the most part, uh, you know. I've uh, I've had some hardware in my ankle, I've had hardware in my collarbone. I had meniscus surgery on my knee.

• 33:48Joe Rogan?

  That's it for your knees, just one?

• 33:50Speaker 03

  Just one, and, and it was an elective one, too, like it was a partially torn meniscus.

• 33:55Joe Rogan?

  Why'd you decide to had it, get it snipped?

• 33:57Speaker 03

  Because um, I was told that um, that it would be better, I don't know, like uh, in the long run, I would, my knee would be better for it.

• 34:06Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, yeah, I had it done on my left knee. And it was pretty good until a skiing accident a few years ago, and it's been like irritating the shit out of me since then, and then I've had a few other little injuries with it. But um, the thing about it is, like, that cushion, once it's gone, it's gone, like, it doesn't come back. And that cushion's kind of important, like my knee always felt a little loose, like that cushion really goes banging around in there.

• 34:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:32Joe Rogan?

  They do replace meniscus, they use cadaver meniscus, but it's not a hundred percent, it doesn't always work. And I don't know, I think they have to cut the entirety of your meniscus out and put a cadaver one in there, and then sew it in place.

• 34:46Speaker 03

  That, recovery from that meniscus surgery was rough.

• 34:50Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 34:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, like that, like.

• 34:52Joe Rogan?

  I thought that was one of the easiest ones.

• 34:53Speaker 03

  For me, man, my, my knee really hurt for quite a while.

• 34:57Joe Rogan?

  Um, were you doing anything for it? How long ago was this, two thousand six, is that what you said?

• 35:02Speaker 03

  Oh, well, not the.

• 35:03Joe Rogan?

  How long was it, the knee surgery?

• 35:04Speaker 03

  The meniscus was recent, that was twenty twenty-three.

• 35:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, well, um, get on some peptides, that's, that'll probably help it.

• 35:12Speaker 03

  I, I, I was, I was doing peptides.

• 35:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 35:15Speaker 03

  Donald Saroni.

• 35:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there you go.

• 35:17Speaker 03

  He got me uh, dialed in with the folks at Transcend.

• 35:20Joe Rogan?

  Right, he works with those guys.

• 35:22Speaker 03

  Right, and.

• 35:22Joe Rogan?

  That's how he got super jacked after he retired.

• 35:25Speaker 03

  Right, I just travel so much.

• 35:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 35:28Speaker 03

  That like, all of these things that need to be refrigerated, you're traveling with the ice pack, and it was like.

• 35:34Joe Rogan?

  I get it.

• 35:35Speaker 03

  It's just like kind of too much, and I just.

• 35:37Joe Rogan?

  You know what a simple solution though is?

• 35:39Speaker 03

  What's that?

• 35:40Joe Rogan?

  Just get yourself like uh, one of them little Yeti thermoses, put some ice in there, put your peptides in there, throw it in your bag. Simple, that's it.

• 35:49Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 35:50Joe Rogan?

  It keeps it cold, seals up.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  I was doing testosterone, too.

• 35:53Joe Rogan?

  You stopped?

• 35:54Speaker 03

  I did.

• 35:55Joe Rogan?

  Why'd you stop?

• 35:55Speaker 03

  I just uh, like, kept forgetting, I was like, oh.

• 36:01Speaker 03

  And I didn't, I mean, I, I, I don't wanna say I didn't notice anything, because there are different things going on in my life that I could have attributed.

• 36:11Speaker 03

  But like, having stopped taking it, I don't notice really any difference.

• 36:18Joe Rogan?

  Did you get your blood work done before you took it?

• 36:19Speaker 03

  Well, I did. I got my blood work done by the folks at Transcend.

• 36:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 36:24Speaker 03

  And, you know, they prescribed it to me.

• 36:26Joe Rogan?

  What did they say your levels were?

• 36:27Speaker 03

  I think my testosterone was like 300.

• 36:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's pretty low, yeah.

• 36:31Speaker 03

  It's on the low end of normal.

• 36:33Joe Rogan?

  Though, there's stuff called, well, you know, I need to take in peptides, but there's other stuff you could take that could ramp up your natural testosterone.

• 36:41Speaker 03

  Right. I've been doing more like, strength training too, and I know that that helps a lot.

• 36:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a bunch of different things, like deadlifts and squats, they ramp up your testosterone, especially Zercher squats.

• 36:52Speaker 03

  I could, I could certainly get back into all that, because I, you know, I love the idea of like, being super healthy, longevity.

• 36:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's good for you. Feel better, feel better, think better.

• 37:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, and, and my baseline's pretty good too, like, I've got my whoop band, and, uh...

• 37:08Joe Rogan?

  Seeing you with a whoop is kind of hilarious. I'm a little concerned about my health.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 37:13Joe Rogan?

  Contrary to all my actions for the past 40 plus years.

• 37:16Speaker 03

  Right, I, I love it so much, and, uh...

• 37:18Joe Rogan?

  It's great, right? You get so much data, find out if you're sleeping well.

• 37:21Speaker 03

  Well, what's your HRV like?

• 37:23Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, man. I don't, I haven't worn one in a while.

• 37:26Speaker 03

  Right, because, uh...

• 37:27Joe Rogan?

  It's pretty good.

• 37:27Speaker 03

  Like, today, I'm 113 HRV.

• 37:30Joe Rogan?

  Uh, I don't know if that's good, is that good?

• 37:32Speaker 03

  It's super good.

• 37:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, congratulations.

• 37:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, and like, my, my average is like 90, I don't know.

• 37:38Joe Rogan?

  That's great, man, so you're working out, feeling good.

• 37:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:41Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 37:41Speaker 03

  Taking care of myself.

• 37:42Joe Rogan?

  Avoid those blows to the head, son.

• 37:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure.

• 37:45Joe Rogan?

  Especially as you get older, there, it seems like

• 37:47Speaker 03

  Right.

• 37:47Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people, when they get older, they're really hard to recover from.

• 37:51Speaker 03

  Right. The, uh, the, the last Jackass movie we did, the, the fourth one, Jackass Forever, they had this huge treadmill, it's like treadmill for horses, and they got us, they, they got it just humming, and, uh, all of us, a bunch of us, the, the cast, dressed up in marching band, like, with marching band, and like, we're marching, playing our instruments, and one by one, we jump on this treadmill.

• 38:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 38:17Speaker 03

  And, uh, it was hilarious, but dude, I got knocked out so cold.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  I wonder if you could bring that up Jamie. Like I was out for like a, you know, probably maybe the longest I've ever been.

• 38:32Joe Rogan?

  How did you get knocked out? What happened?

• 38:34Speaker 03

  I hit my head.

• 38:35Joe Rogan?

  You just fell?

• 38:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, like as I got spit off the end of this treadmill.

• 38:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus Christ.

• 38:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:42Joe Rogan?

  You just kind of jumped on it?

• 38:44Speaker 03

  So it looks like Knoxville went first.

• 38:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh my God. Oh my God, dude.

• 38:54Speaker 03

  So I'm like, everyone is awake and I am like super not awake at all.

• 38:59Joe Rogan?

  Knoxville's bleeding from the head?

• 39:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:01Joe Rogan?

  You guys are so ridiculous. What a silly way to make a living.

• 39:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, don't do that anymore.

• 39:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, that.

• 39:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 39:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was, that might have been my worst concussion.

• 39:14Joe Rogan?

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• 41:03Speaker 03

  But there's been, there's been, there's been like more than that even, you know, not 16, but.

• 41:08Joe Rogan?

  The one that hurt me the most was Johnny Knoxville when he was in that store and Butterbean beat him up.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh my God.

• 41:15Joe Rogan?

  That was crazy. That one bothered me because if you know how hard Butterbean hits, that's just a silly thing to sign up for. Let that guy beat the shit out of you. And then even after he's down, Butterbean had him get back up and put him away. Like, don't let him do that.

• 41:32Speaker 03

  Right.

• 41:33Joe Rogan?

  Especially Butterbean, man. That guy, there's a highlight reel of him putting giant men to sleep. You know, you do not want that guy punched you in the chin.

• 41:42Speaker 03

  Talk about sweethearts too, man, what in Butterbean.

• 41:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, up until that moment.

• 41:47Speaker 03

  Right.

• 41:48Joe Rogan?

  There's a thing with those guys, though, they're so accustomed to hurting people. It's like, you, you want to sign up for this? You sure? I'm sure. Okay.

• 41:57Speaker 03

  Right.

• 41:58Joe Rogan?

  And they're just going to do to you what they've done to a bunch of other people that decided to box him.

• 42:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. Man, looking at that trip, that really was gnarly.

• 42:06Joe Rogan?

  Gnarly, not good. I mean, you were flying through the air and landed on your fucking head. Not good, dude. Not good.

• 42:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, uh.

• 42:16Joe Rogan?

  That's probably why you forget to take your peptides.

• 42:21Joe Rogan?

  That's they, I read a story about Jim McMahon, the football player. And that's his name, right? The guy from the Chicago Bears?

• 42:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, Jim McMahon was the quarterback, right?

• 42:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the quarterback. And I think it was a Sports Illustrated article and they were, they were talking about like, he can't remember anything. He'll be standing in the middle of his living room, not knowing why he's there, where he was going.

• 42:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:41Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't know where his keys are, doesn't know where his phone, just like can't. It's just like, like it just blacks out, comes back, blacks out, comes back.

• 42:51Speaker 03

  You'd imagine that that would be more for like linemen because every single play.

• 42:56Joe Rogan?

  Those days, though, the quarterbacks got taken out. Back in those days, that's the eighties. You gotta think of how much harder the game was, but I'm not, obviously not a football aficionado or expert by any means, but from what I've been told, the rules are much more favorable today to protect the quarterback.

• 43:14Speaker 03

  Right, okay.

• 43:15Joe Rogan?

  And back then, those dudes got it. And it's not just that, man. It's also all the different years you played. Those all count. Like, just because you're only getting knocked out a couple of times as a professional in the NFL, what about all the times you got knocked out in high school? What about all the times you got knocked out in college? Those guys, man, I have a massive amount of respect for football players. I mean, I've watched a lot of high school games in Texas and I watched a lot of college games at UT. It is a fucking brutal sport. I mean, it's no wonder that's the American pastime, because it is a psychotic fucking sport.

• 43:52Speaker 03

  I do, I love it.

• 43:53Joe Rogan?

  It's fun to watch, man. I've become a fan.

• 43:55Speaker 03

  Um, I, what, what really I think was the smartest thing the NFL did, they got into the, the routine with their, the NFL YouTube channel. At the conclusion of every game, they upload a video to YouTube, which is a condensed version of the game that runs anywhere from like ten to, you know, like ten to fifteen minutes. So, like, you can watch, it's super digestible, more than highlights, like more than Sports Center, but like, you know, you're only seeing the awesome stuff.

• 44:28Speaker 06

  Man was involved in this, this is one of the dirtiest plays in NFL history.

• 44:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 44:33Speaker 06

  He's got slammed after the play.

• 44:35Joe Rogan?

  After the play slammed on his head?

• 44:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 44:38Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 44:39Speaker 06

  I think they said just took this end of the season, this play. I don't know which game of the year it was, but.

• 44:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 44:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's not cool, man.

• 44:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 44:47Joe Rogan?

  Look at him, oh my god, that's crazy that that dude did that. And what did he get, like a one game penalty or something? Oh, back then, I don't know.

• 44:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, back then, it was probably pretty low.

• 44:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, back then, they probably gave him extra steroids. Good job.

• 44:58Speaker 03

  But I hope this reaches the NFL when I say this, is that as much as, and by the, by the end of the season, whatever it was, 2023, 2024, like, I was so invested because I was watching these digestible, like, YouTube videos, that by the time the playoffs rolled around, I was subscribed to every single different platform because now, like, the stakes are so high, I gotta watch the whole game. Like, they really converted me.

• 45:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's great.

• 45:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was the smartest thing I did.

• 45:25Joe Rogan?

  That's wise. I mean, because you think about, there's a lot of downtime in football.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  Right.

• 45:29Joe Rogan?

  In between plays, a lot of this, a lot of that.

• 45:31Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 45:31Joe Rogan?

  People talk.

• 45:32Speaker 03

  The best thing, but I, but I have a really, really important thing that I want the NFL to know, is that they were, the thumbnails, a lot of the times, gave away the outcome of the game.

• 45:44Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 45:45Speaker 03

  So, and, and this was a problem that, that the UFC had for a while. Like, um, you know, I would be doing my shows, you know, especially if I'm in a comedy club, you know, I've got the second show on Saturday night, so I've missed the whole pay-per-view event. Now I get back to my hotel room, and I'm gonna watch everything, the whole thing. But then when I go into the video on demand, and the thumbnail shows like, the, the winner of the main event, like, celebrating.

• 46:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  You know, like, it's like, oh, so I reached out to Dana. I'm like, Dana, the thumbnails are giving away. And he's like, took care of it, man. Just got off the phone with the head of Disney, the president of, you know.

• 46:22Joe Rogan?

  That's nice to have that kind of pull.

• 46:23Speaker 03

  Right. And, uh, I wish I could do that for the NFL, but they don't always do it.

• 46:27Joe Rogan?

  Maybe they will. Maybe they will now.

• 46:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, they don't always give away the game. But for the love of God, please, make the thumbnail neutral. So that, because of the reason why we're clicking on this video is because we want, we don't wanna know what happened.

• 46:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 46:40Speaker 03

  We wanna watch it and enjoy it.

• 46:41Joe Rogan?

  Right. And so how long are these condensed games?

• 46:44Speaker 03

  Anywhere from like, eight to 16 minutes.

• 46:46Joe Rogan?

  Wow, that's smart.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  And it's so exciting because if you see, um...

• 46:53Speaker 03

  Like a punt or a kickoff. You know something awesome is gonna happen because they'll never include a punt or a kickoff unless it gets run all the way down for a touchdown or if there's a turnover or something like.

• 47:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 47:05Speaker 03

  So it's like, ooh, you know, like you get excited when you watch these videos if there's a punt.

• 47:10Joe Rogan?

  Right, that makes sense.

• 47:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:12Joe Rogan?

  UFC does a good job with, they do these videos that shows like all the knockouts from a particular event. So anybody who just wants to see knockouts.

• 47:20Speaker 03

  Yep, I've been seeing that and, you know, I've been in situations already since the Paramount deal where I gotta go back and watch the whole card. And Paramount, like, it's pretty awesome, man, like on ESPN.

• 47:35Joe Rogan?

  It's not very intuitive, I gotta say. It's a little clunky when you're searching for the show. Cause you go to like live TV to watch it. And then if it's not on live TV anymore, like if you go out, you pause it and you come back and try to, and you click on it, it doesn't work. And then you gotta find it and then you gotta go to home. And then you gotta go down to the UFC and then they'll search out each individual. And then it brings you up a grid of all the stuff that's on TV right now. And then if you click on that, it's not playing anymore. So it tells you it's not on, you gotta go back again to home. So like where the fuck is it? Like just have a little UFC thing where I could click at the homepage. And it shows all the matches, what's live, what's not. Just a little clunky.

• 48:19Joe Rogan?

  I think ESPN plus kinda had it down. And I'm, uh, I'm just starting to get.

• 48:25Speaker 03

  You know what the problem with ESPN plus was though?

• 48:27Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 48:27Speaker 03

  Is that, you know, you scroll through to get to the main card. They would have each fight individually up there. And you gotta like blur your eyes because on the thumbnail it says the duration of the fight.

• 48:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 48:40Speaker 03

  You know, you got a little timestamp and it's like, oh damn it, I mean, like I just saw that the.

• 48:45Joe Rogan?

  You gotta not look at that.

• 48:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, you gotta unblur your eyes, look through the cracks in your fingers.

• 48:49Joe Rogan?

  The problem is when you play it, that'll show you how short the amount of time is. You know how quickly the time is going, like, oh great.

• 48:55Speaker 03

  Right, well you can't like, you can't ever skip anything because then the time bar will come up.

• 49:01Joe Rogan?

  Do you watch anything else other than UFC?

• 49:07Speaker 03

  Sports wise?

• 49:07Joe Rogan?

  No, fighting wise.

• 49:09Speaker 03

  Oh, man, I'd, no. Not, no.

• 49:16Joe Rogan?

  I've been trying to get Dana White to do a striking league. I'm trying, cause like, you know, people still boo and complain when things go to the ground. And if the UFC has time to do like slap fight, which I'm not really into. But if they have time to do that, like, do a stand-up only league, cause there's other organizations that are doing that.

• 49:37Speaker 03

  You know what, like, the, uh, the Mike Tyson Jake Paul thing. I understand that they had a hundred million viewers.

• 49:49Joe Rogan?

  Is that real?

• 49:50Speaker 03

  I think, I think they did. And then the Jake Paul, Anthony Joshua had like maybe thirty million. You know, so it was nowhere near. But, God, I thought that, I thought that-

• 50:01Joe Rogan?

  Where'd you get those numbers?

• 50:03Speaker 03

  Just whatever, I just saw it on the-

• 50:05Joe Rogan?

  Cause I don't know if Netflix gives those numbers out. Or maybe they did. Did they say it? A hundred and eight million. Paul Tyson had a hundred and eight million.

• 50:15Speaker 03

  And then Anthony Joshua, I think it was like thirty.

• 50:18Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. Hundred and eight million is crazy. That's a lot of fucking people.

• 50:22Speaker 03

  It's a lot of people, but what a blown opportunity. When you think like, okay, now Netflix had, they knew they were gonna have that many viewers. Or if not that many, they knew they were gonna have a lot.

• 50:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 50:33Speaker 03

  They had the opportunity to take the boxing model and fix it. And, you know, and, and I don't know, like-

• 50:42Joe Rogan?

  That Netflix did?

• 50:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:44Joe Rogan?

  Netflix has only had a small handful of events, though.

• 50:46Speaker 03

  Understood. But if you look at the UFC broadcast, just how like, there's just not downtime. You know, it's like, people care about the, the undercard. I mean, you know me, like, I'm there-

• 50:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:59Speaker 03

  I'm there like for the first fight past prelim.

• 51:01Joe Rogan?

  Uh, some of the undercards are the best fights.

• 51:03Speaker 03

  For sure. And that's why the contender series is so good.

• 51:06Joe Rogan?

  Particularly, yeah, right, exactly. Especially when you see some of these guys coming out of the contender series that are so high level already.

• 51:12Speaker 03

  Right.

• 51:13Joe Rogan?

  There's guys that are getting matched up in the undercard that no one's ever heard of. There are two undefeated fighters that could be world champions.

• 51:18Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 51:18Joe Rogan?

  There's guys that are that good now.

• 51:20Speaker 03

  Right, and that's what's so great about, about the UFC is that the whole card's good. The production's insane. There's no downtime. It's just like, you can sit there for- Fucking six hours.

• 51:31Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 51:33Speaker 03

  And be thoroughly happy that you're watching the whole time. But with boxing, there's so much time in between the bouts.

• 51:40Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 51:40Speaker 03

  Like.

• 51:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they don't do as, nearly as good a job. But UFC, without doubt, is the best promotion in all of combat sports. In terms of entertainment, production value, the people in the truck, the, the experts.

• 51:54Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 51:54Joe Rogan?

  They're the best.

• 51:55Speaker 03

  And that's what I'm saying about Netflix, is that, they, they, they.

• 52:00Joe Rogan?

  They could have fixed it.

• 52:01Speaker 03

  They, they could have fixed it.

• 52:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, Zuffa's trying to do that now.

• 52:03Speaker 03

  Right.

• 52:04Joe Rogan?

  You know, Zuffa's trying to do that. They're basically using the promotion machine behind the UFC to start promoting boxing. And they're just getting rolling right now, but they signed some really big guys. They signed Connor Ben, they signed Jai Apatea, who's a fucking beast. They signed some legit boxers. So, should be interesting.

• 52:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:24Joe Rogan?

  Boxing is, uh, it is a fascinating sport.

• 52:28Speaker 03

  It's a mess. I mean, as far as the broadcast goes.

• 52:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, um, I think there's a few, um, companies that know how to do it right, and HBO was the best. And when HBO went off the air with boxing, uh, it was a real bummer. Because HBO Boxing had been around for decades. They were the peak. That was like the best production team. It was Jim Lampley, Larry Hazard, or, or Larry Merchant, rather. Um, Roy Jones Jr. sometimes, George Foreman sometimes, and different fighters would sit in sometimes. And it was the app, Jim Lampley is the fucking best. It was the best. It was like the smoothest production, they were the best with the cameras and the production quality, and they'd get you hyped up about the fight with the little pre-made videos. They didn't drag it out. That, that, they knew how to do it. HBO did it right.

• 53:16Joe Rogan?

  They did it right. But, I guess it was like, either it was not profitable, or something, they just decided to, when they canned HBO Boxer, I couldn't believe it. I was like, after all these years. It's such a crazy thing to do. They were the best. If you had an HBO boxing card and it was a big fight, fuck, I was pumped. It was like the pr- the quality of the product was so high level. And they only put on really great fights. Like if it got to HBO, that was gonna be a great fucking fight.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  Well, comedy specials were the same way, right?

• 53:49Joe Rogan?

  Sure, yeah. Um, now, you know, now it's weird, cuz it's like the landscape is so filled with different platforms. And some guys take money over visibility. Like, there's young guys that have gotten o- offers from places, and I was like, listen, man. I think you should put it on YouTube.

• 54:07Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 54:07Joe Rogan?

  You're not gonna make any money, but you gotta think about that money investing in yourself, cuz I think you're really good. And I think that this material, if you put it on YouTube, it's gonna go viral, it'll spread around.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  Right.

• 54:17Joe Rogan?

  Way more people will know about you.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  I- I sorely regret my approach, cuz- cuz my- my comedy specials are multimedia. And like, I got stuff in there. I mean, the whole point of- of my comedy with the multimedia is to have stuff that you can't even show on Jackass.

• 54:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 54:37Speaker 03

  You know, like, just like su- su- extra naughty Jackass movie.

• 54:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 54:41Speaker 03

  Collide to the stand-up show.

• 54:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 54:43Speaker 03

  And, uh, and I love that. I have so much fun with that. And, um, when I put out my last one, um, I- I did, uh, this thing that Andrew Schultz did, The Moment. You know, like, uh, it's a paywall.

• 54:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 54:59Speaker 03

  It's his company moment.

• 55:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 55:00Speaker 03

  And I- and- and that was me trying to make money off this special. I mean, I spent so much making it, you know, but whatever. I wish that I would've had no paywall whatsoever. Just, you know, I can't put it on YouTube, but put it on my website. So that I could get the eyeballs, because I think in the long run, that would benefit way more.

• 55:18Joe Rogan?

  Why can't you put it on YouTube? Cuz the content?

• 55:20Speaker 03

  Because the, like-

• 55:21Joe Rogan?

  It's too extreme?

• 55:21Speaker 03

  Nudity, violence, like, uh, like, literally.

• 55:25Joe Rogan?

  That's gonna be hard to distribute anywhere.

• 55:27Speaker 03

  Well, right.

• 55:28Joe Rogan?

  Even on a website, even on your website, that's just hard, that's just hard to get out.

• 55:32Speaker 03

  Now I have my multimedia specials on my website with no paywall, totally free, like no ads.

• 55:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 55:40Speaker 03

  Just go to stevo.com and check it out.

• 55:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, Andrew did it very smart. Like, if you want to see it now, pay, and then I'm gonna put it on YouTube in X amount of months.

• 55:46Speaker 03

  A lot of people got mad about that.

• 55:48Joe Rogan?

  People get mad about everything.

• 55:51Speaker 03

  Understood.

• 55:52Joe Rogan?

  You gotta always remember that, man. People get mad about everything.

• 55:55Speaker 03

  Right.

• 55:56Joe Rogan?

  You can't concentrate on that.

• 55:57Speaker 03

  I think that, uh, maybe they're a little bit more of a, of a window. Cause for the people who are like, "Man, I just spent, you know..."

• 56:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, tell them what the window is.

• 56:05Speaker 03

  Right.

• 56:07Joe Rogan?

  Just, if you, you wanna do it that way, just tell them. "I'm gonna put it on YouTube in three months."

• 56:12Speaker 03

  Right. Understood.

• 56:13Joe Rogan?

  But it, it, it all is like, how successful are you, right? So if you're a successful comedian and you do that, then your fans are like, "Hey, why do you need more money out of me? Why can't you just release it?" But if you're a successful comedian that's been kind of banished, like Louis CK was for a while, and then Louis CK's done a brilliant job of putting everything on his website. Like Harold and Pete, his animated show, Lucky Louis, all the different Louis, the episodes. So what he did was really create his own thing that is like a one-stop shop of all things Louis CK.

• 56:48Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 56:49Joe Rogan?

  And it's really good.

• 56:50Speaker 03

  And his mailing list.

• 56:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:52Speaker 03

  I'm on his mailing list.

• 56:53Joe Rogan?

  Me too.

• 56:53Speaker 03

  And, and whenever I see an email from Louis CK, I absolutely click on it.

• 56:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, cause it's gonna be funny.

• 57:00Speaker 03

  He does it so masterfully.

• 57:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's interesting and funny, and it's entertaining. It's an entertaining little thing that you get, and then he lets you know what he's doing. And he's never pressuring you into like...

• 57:10Speaker 03

  Right.

• 57:10Joe Rogan?

  He's got the perfect balance, I think, of like capitalism and still being an artist.

• 57:15Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 57:15Joe Rogan?

  You know? It's the way to do it. But, you know, everybody's at their own little path, and the problem with someone like Andrew is he's already like really successful. So it's like asking for money for a special. At this point, people are like, "Come on, man. Just fucking put it on YouTube."

• 57:31Speaker 03

  My, my next one, I'm absolutely determined to have no paywall.

• 57:35Joe Rogan?

  Stan Hoiberg said it best. He said, basically, your special's just an ad to get people to come see you.

• 57:40Speaker 03

  Bill Burr said that.

• 57:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's, that's, that's really what it is.

• 57:43Speaker 03

  Right.

• 57:44Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, it's also like, you gotta retire material. You know, just let it go.

• 57:49Speaker 03

  Oh, it's so hard for me.

• 57:50Joe Rogan?

  Let it sail out to sea, light it on fire.

• 57:52Speaker 03

  It's so hard for me.

• 57:54Joe Rogan?

  Of course it is.

• 57:55Speaker 03

  Like, uh.

• 57:56Joe Rogan?

  Of course it is. It's hard for everybody.

• 57:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:58Joe Rogan?

  It's hard for everybody, but it's probably even harder for you because a lot of your stuff is physical. So you have to like come up with new things that you could do to yourself. Staple your lips shut and.

• 58:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, well.

• 58:07Joe Rogan?

  Tie your dick to your asshole.

• 58:08Speaker 03

  I'm so, I'm so, I'm so happy with, with what I've got now.

• 58:12Joe Rogan?

  That's good.

• 58:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:14Joe Rogan?

  All right.

• 58:14Speaker 03

  I'm thrilled with it. Okay, so.

• 58:16Joe Rogan?

  So.

• 58:17Speaker 03

  I was, I was telling you, like, uh, I spent the, this, uh, you know, a couple, a couple of years, like, really feel like.

• 58:24Joe Rogan?

  In the darkness.

• 58:25Speaker 03

  In the, kind of in the darkness, yeah. And, and, um.

• 58:28Joe Rogan?

  Being your feelings.

• 58:29Speaker 03

  Being, being very mindful to adjust my approach in a way that I felt really good about. There was, um, the beginning of 2025, and I got like really heavy on like, you know, spirituality and faith. I like, I'm that way anyway. Like, I really, I really, really care about that. Um, the January of 2025, I get on, um, I, I get this opportunity to have Mark Wahlberg on my podcast, right? Like, um, and I'm on there and he's, he's very like big into his faith.

• 59:02Joe Rogan?

  Very Catholic, yeah.

• 59:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, very, very big into his Christianity. And, uh, and I, and I was in the thick of it too at that point. I was like, man, you know, like, I'd like, I've been criticized for, for being a, too much of a shill and this and that and like.

• 59:17Joe Rogan?

  It really bothered you that much?

• 59:18Speaker 03

  It kind of did, yeah, because I think because I was, uh.

• 59:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, because it was accurate.

• 59:22Speaker 03

  It was accurate. It'd been absolutely.

• 59:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 59:24Speaker 03

  For example, last time I was here, I'm like, Joe, my, my butt wipes for my butthole. And you're like, that's bad for plumbing.

• 59:31Joe Rogan?

  It is bad for plumbing.

• 59:32Speaker 03

  Right, and, uh.

• 59:33Joe Rogan?

  You can't flush those things.

• 59:34Speaker 03

  Dude, I like, what, what I wish I said in that moment when, when, uh, when you'd said that how it's bad for plumbing, I'd seen on, um, a package of dude wipes. It said, only flush one at a time and you'll be okay.

• 59:49Joe Rogan?

  Uh-uh.

• 59:50Speaker 03

  Are you gonna, maybe that's true. Now they've got, dude, I stopped selling those fucking things.

• 59:54Joe Rogan?

  Don't flush anything other than toilet paper, period. Talk to any plumber. No, I'll tell you. Don't flush anything other than toilet paper.

• 1:00:01Speaker 03

  But dude, like the internet had a field day when you shut down my butt wipes plug on here.

• 1:00:10Joe Rogan?

  See, I didn't even know about it. Isn't that better?

• 1:00:12Speaker 03

  I love that. I love that. And um.

• 1:00:15Joe Rogan?

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• 1:01:27Speaker 03

  And they had a field day because like me with the shilling and you with the point about the plumbing. And it was just like, and like, fuck, I just, I stopped selling those fucking things. I stopped selling everything.

• 1:01:40Joe Rogan?

  We used to have a sponsor. It's not our sponsor anymore, but I wanna tell people to get it anyway. It's a thing called Tushy. You put it on your...

• 1:01:47Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh my God. Dude, every single time I promote Tushy on my podcast, I say it is my favorite podcast sponsor that I've ever had.

• 1:01:55Joe Rogan?

  It's excellent.

• 1:01:56Speaker 03

  And I know that that's not a wise thing to say, like if you're... If you think of all the other sponsors.

• 1:02:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  But I don't care. I don't care.

• 1:02:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not even our sponsor anymore. But, uh, but I tell everybody, it's not expensive. And it's legit and it cleans your butthole and then you just need a little wipe to pat it down.

• 1:02:12Speaker 03

  And you're just drying it off.

• 1:02:14Joe Rogan?

  Also, you feel better. Like, you don't feel like you smeared shit all over your butthole. Like, I don't know if you have a hairy asshole, but I do.

• 1:02:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:21Joe Rogan?

  I'm hairy everywhere. It's chaos down there. If I don't trim it. Uh, so it's like, you're getting, you're wiping shit on the ass hairs.

• 1:02:29Speaker 03

  Right, sure.

• 1:02:30Joe Rogan?

  Bleh.

• 1:02:30Speaker 03

  And, and that's, you know, that's what, like, as soon as I started using the Tushy. Then I'm like, oh my god, now, if I ever find myself having to take a shit and there's not a bidet.

• 1:02:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:02:43Speaker 03

  Now it's a crisis for me.

• 1:02:44Joe Rogan?

  I know, now you're like, ew.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  Now I've got a problem. And that's why having, uh, the wet wipes, the, the butt wipes. Like, became so important because if I don't have the bidet, like, heaven forbid.

• 1:02:57Joe Rogan?

  I get it, but if you had shit smeared all over your fingernails and your hand, would you be happy just using a butt wipe and then having a sandwich? No, you would not. You would wanna wash your fucking hands. Right?

• 1:03:08Speaker 03

  Well, yeah.

• 1:03:08Joe Rogan?

  Butt wipes are okay. It's okay. It's, it's better than not having them, but you have to throw them in the garbage. So then you have a shit smeared wet wipe in the fucking garbage, which is kinda nasty. And you walk in there, you can smell the shit and no one's cleaned it yet. So then you have to have a plastic bag liner on your garbage can.

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  There's no good solution.

• 1:03:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The, the, those Tushy things, I have one, we have them here at all the, not, it's not a Tushy, but it's another company.

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:03:34Joe Rogan?

  On all our toilets. We have it at the mothership.

• 1:03:37Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 1:03:37Joe Rogan?

  It's the best. You have to have those things. It changes your life.

• 1:03:40Speaker 03

  And dude, and, and when you get the, the Tushy Ace, which has the heated seat.

• 1:03:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  The warm water.

• 1:03:48Joe Rogan?

  Warm water's the key.

• 1:03:49Speaker 03

  And then it blow dries your butthole.

• 1:03:50Joe Rogan?

  Nice. Nice. It's ready for presentation.

• 1:03:55Speaker 03

  Okay, so I sit down with Mark Wahlberg and I, you know, and I'm talking about this and I say, you know, how like leaning into faith like really just like it's so important, you know, like it's so important to me and I had this meaningful conversation with Mark Wahlberg about that and then with the day the episode comes out, it didn't even occur to me until the day the episode came out. I was hiking with my dog through a fucking state park in Tennessee and it strikes me, oh my god, I had the audacity, as I knew that the episode went out that day, I had the audacity to cut from this thoughtful conversation about

• 1:04:40Speaker 03

  faith with Mark Wahlberg to an ad for gambling.

• 1:04:47Speaker 03

  I was like, oh my god, I was like, I don't have to be in the comments section to know to see people saying, what a hypocrite, like, oh my god.

• 1:04:56Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, how's gambling make you a hypocrite?

• 1:04:57Speaker 03

  I mean, I just...

• 1:04:59Joe Rogan?

  I don't think that makes you a hypocrite at all.

• 1:05:01Speaker 03

  Right, I mean...

• 1:05:01Joe Rogan?

  Listen, the gambling thing online, we should probably address this, is a very hot topic and a lot of people criticize people for promoting gambling sites online. The problem is not gambling. The problem is people who are addicted to gambling. So the problem is self-control, right? And I'm not saying I'm a person who's immune to being addicted to gambling. I am sure that given other circumstances in my life, given, I could have easily gotten addicted to gambling, but I'm not and I don't mind gambling on stuff. I think sometimes it's probably fun. The problem is people, you saw Uncut Gems, right?

• 1:05:39Speaker 03

  Oh my god, best movie ever.

• 1:05:41Joe Rogan?

  That is gambling. That is the problem with gambling.

• 1:05:45Speaker 03

  That movie was so good.

• 1:05:46Joe Rogan?

  Fucking amazing movie. Adam Sandler killed it in that movie. It's such a good movie.

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  Never felt so good about it.

• 1:05:52Joe Rogan?

  But the whole movie, I'm going like, oh, fucking don't do that. What the fuck are you doing, man? Don't do that.

• 1:05:59Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:05:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus, Adam.

• 1:06:01Speaker 03

  You know what, though, like, I, I, I made a decision on that day hiking with my dog. I said, I'm, I'm not gonna promote anything unless it's good for people.

• 1:06:09Joe Rogan?

  Wow, good for you.

• 1:06:10Speaker 03

  I said, I said, like, I, I, I don't wanna do harm, man.

• 1:06:13Joe Rogan?

  Good for you. I don't think it does harm. I think it does harm if you let it do harm, but I think food does harm if you let it do harm.

• 1:06:18Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 1:06:19Joe Rogan?

  I think alcohol does harm if you let it do harm.

• 1:06:20Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:06:20Joe Rogan?

  I think marijuana, drugs, all kinds of things do harm if you let them do harm.

• 1:06:24Speaker 03

  Right, but it's just, it's in your face.

• 1:06:26Joe Rogan?

  I understand.

• 1:06:27Speaker 03

  You know, and shit, and I don't wanna participate in that.

• 1:06:29Joe Rogan?

  I get it.

• 1:06:30Speaker 03

  And, and I, I just haven't done it since then. I feel good about that.

• 1:06:33Joe Rogan?

  That's good.

• 1:06:33Speaker 03

  So, all these different things that I've done to, to be mindful, to be, to feel more good about,

• 1:06:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:06:40Speaker 03

  like, how I approach my life and my career.

• 1:06:43Joe Rogan?

  That's good.

• 1:06:44Speaker 03

  And then, and then coming into this year, 2026, I was like, oh, man, like, now with the Mr. Beast come out, I'm like, oh, this is gonna change my life. We got a new Jackass movie coming out, like, I feel really good about how I've restored my, uh, my integrity, like, I feel good about myself, for myself, and then, Joe.

• 1:07:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:07:06Speaker 03

  Then I have Harland Williams on my podcast, okay? This guy is the most genius, like, the, like, that's just so, like, you can't even understand the guy, like.

• 1:07:19Joe Rogan?

  Uh, he's one of the weirdest funny guys of all time. This, this snake is on this desk because he kept it in his pants the entire episode, telling us that he had a tapeworm, and then he pulled it out at the end of the episode, and I've left it on the desk ever since, and when Trump was in here, I left it on the desk, and he got so excited, he goes, hey, buddy, thanks for keeping, what did he call it?

• 1:07:38Speaker 03

  Dimitri?

• 1:07:39Joe Rogan?

  Thanks for keeping Dimitri on the desk while Trump was in there. He's just such an oddball.

• 1:07:45Speaker 03

  He's so magnificent.

• 1:07:47Joe Rogan?

  Such a great guy, too.

• 1:07:48Speaker 03

  And, and I record my podcast in an RV, right? I got like three different RVs that I, I use for, and, and one I keep in Los Angeles. So, we get to Harland Williams' house, for some reason, I'm driving, and I'm the fucking worst driver ever, and he's got this small driveway, and I'm trying to maneuver it around, and I get out of the van, and I, and I'm like, I don't know how, I, I don't know how I can be such a fucking bad driver, and just like that, Harland, Harland Williams says to me, he goes, it's AIDS, Steve-O, you have AIDS.

• 1:08:18Speaker 03

  Just like the most fucking absurd thing. And so like going into this podcast, I'm like, alright, like now we're entering the realm of the absurd. You know, like, let's play with Harlan Williams. Okay. Okay, at some point in the episode, the most fucking dumb idea that ever popped in my head. But I'm, you know, you want to be like a step ahead and like figure out how like we're gonna keep this going. Like what am I, you know, what, like what's, where are we going to next? Right. So I say to Harlan Williams, I'm like, I think at one point I said like, I said, how about politics? You know, like just thinking to myself, this absurd guy, if you ask him about politics, like, like how does his absurdity like navigate that? And that's what motivated me.

• 1:09:04Speaker 03

  So then somewhere in this back and forth, like effectively, I say like, oh yeah, well, all this shit with ICE makes perfect sense. Because like, because the majority of immigrants are murderers, right? This is the most patently fucking absurd comment that I've ever made on the podcast. And yet, after it comes out, it gets clipped on its own. And it genuinely looks like I'm not kidding, even though you cut to Harlan Williams. But it genuinely looks like I wasn't fucking kidding. Right. And then I open up my phone and it's like basically rot in hell.

• 1:09:47Speaker 03

  You that like, you know, like you think like all immigrants are murderers. Like, Joe, I could not be more the opposite of that. Right. You know, like- You're being sarcastic. I was, I could not have been more like, I could not have been less serious. It was the most absurd fucking deliberately sarcastic thing I'd ever said. And, uh, and dude, I just like now, now, and I was in this place, I was so excited, like, man, I was so excited about doing my podcast, it was going, you know? And then now I'm just like deluged with this tsunami of hate. And that's what so-

• 1:10:27Joe Rogan?

  Did you respond?

• 1:10:29Speaker 03

  I did.

• 1:10:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just say this is just.

• 1:10:31Speaker 03

  I posted on my Instagram.

• 1:10:34Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:10:34Speaker 03

  Like, uh, like for, for clarification, I said, I can't even, I said, I was so shocked to believe that this absurd comment that I made was like taken seriously, but like just, you know, I can't believe I'm gonna have to do this, but for the, for the record, you know, less than point one percent of the population is ever gonna commit murder. Of course, the majority of no group of fucking people is gonna commit murder, but if, if you want to know how I actually feel, if there's a group of people that's more likely to murder someone, it's ICE agents, you know, like, and so then as soon as I post that, now like the whole other half of the world fucking hates me.

• 1:11:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I wouldn't have said that either.

• 1:11:22Speaker 03

  Right, there you go, you know, like, and, uh, my, my sister is, um, my, my voice of reason, she like, I was like, hey, what do you think about this? And she like, made like one small tweet, she's like, go for it, I just posted that. I don't even mind, you know, like, uh, I don't even mind that, I, I feel like if people are gonna hate me, let them hate me for like how I actually feel, you know, like.

• 1:11:44Joe Rogan?

  Is that your watch? How dare you?

• 1:11:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's my, my dad. I put my shit on, don't, do not disturb.

• 1:11:51Joe Rogan?

  Maybe your dad goes through, cause he's like one of your favorites.

• 1:11:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's on my, he's on my speed dial. But yeah, so it was just a terrible fucking episode that I just went through, and, and we set this up like a couple of months ago, like this happened like maybe three, four weeks ago. So I was like, when I, like, you know, when I was texting with you, I was like, oh man, I was in a, you know, like shitty place, I'm feeling really rad, dude, like it'd be great to get together. And then now, since then, I'm like in a shitty place.

• 1:12:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, you know, obviously that ice subject is a very hot subject.

• 1:12:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:26Joe Rogan?

  People have gotten mad at me for my takes on it as well. You just, you have to.

• 1:12:30Speaker 03

  Right, and you know what?

• 1:12:31Joe Rogan?

  You just have to speak your mind, say what you really feel.

• 1:12:34Speaker 03

  If I'm honest, I regret all of it.

• 1:12:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:37Speaker 03

  You know, like, you know, I could have, I could have worded my clarification in a way that made a lot more sense. I just, it bothered me so much to be so badly misunderstood.

• 1:12:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:49Speaker 03

  You know?

• 1:12:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, when you talk sarcastically with a guy like Harland Williams, when you fuck around and you say things you don't really mean, that's gonna happen. I mean, Duncan is the best at that. Like Duncan Trussell, like he will have entire podcasts where he pretends he's in the Illuminati and he'll talk to another comic who pretends he's one of the Rothschilds.

• 1:13:10Speaker 03

  I love him.

• 1:13:10Joe Rogan?

  A friend, Tony, gets, Tony Casillas gets on his podcast and what does Tony pretend? A Rockefeller or a Rothschild? Rothschild. One of them.

• 1:13:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:18Joe Rogan?

  So he, I think it's a Rockefeller. I might be wrong, but I mean, he, he dyes his hair for the episode and everything and like, it's, it's so ridiculous and, and people think he really is one of those people.

• 1:13:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:30Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, he's a doorman at the mothership.

• 1:13:35Joe Rogan?

  But Duncan will go through an entire podcast without breaking character.

• 1:13:39Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:13:39Joe Rogan?

  They'll talk about how important it is to control the population. They'll talk about how important it is to, you know, spread misinformation and, and keep people in the dark and how stupid the plebs are.

• 1:13:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just, like, I'm too fucking sensitive, man.

• 1:13:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it seems like it's not just that you're sensitive. It seems like you're seeking out input. You're, you're seeking, you're seeking out feedback and I just, I think you're a little too famous for that. I just don't think it's healthy.

• 1:14:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:05Joe Rogan?

  I've known so many people that are loved, loved by so many, and yet they'll still find the people that hate them and dwell on that. And I, I've seen it with like, very successful people.

• 1:14:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:17Joe Rogan?

  It's just, Louis said it best, Louis C.K. said it best. He said, "The internet is just talk. It's just, it's written down, so it seems more real." You know, because it stays up there forever. But it's just talk, just like people talk at a bar. Fuck that guy. You know, people say things and they're not necessarily rational. They're not necessarily, their opinions aren't necessarily valuable. Some of them are and some of them aren't. But to go through all that and figure it out. The problem is your brain only recognizes threats, danger and people that hate you. Right? So you get a hundred people that love you, but one person who says you fucking suck. And you'll just think about that guy like, oh no, that guy, he used to be a fan.

• 1:14:58Joe Rogan?

  Like, I unfollowed him a long time ago.

• 1:15:05Joe Rogan?

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• 1:16:40Speaker 03

  Right. Yeah, that makes sense. And you know, another thing that, to that point. Here, I thought that when this Mr. Beast video came out and I won a million dollars, I gave it to Doctors Without Borders. Like, I just thought, oh, man, this is gonna be life-altering. And like, it came in, you know, like, I had one kid come up to me in an airport and say, "Dude, you're Steve-O from Mr. Beast." And I was like, oh, wow.

• 1:17:05Joe Rogan?

  Different generation.

• 1:17:06Speaker 03

  But other than that, like, I thought it would be life-altering and it really wasn't. You know?

• 1:17:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:12Speaker 03

  And then, so now, like, in this, this little, like, this, whatever you wanna call it, backlash, this, like, thing, like, to me, it feels like the, the whole world hates me, you know, like, when in reality, it's probably not.

• 1:17:26Joe Rogan?

  No, reality, everybody feels about you the exact same way they did before.

• 1:17:30Speaker 03

  Right, it's crazy, man, it's crazy, because like, I'm, like, I'll walk around and think, like, man, like, people are looking at me, maybe they hate me.

• 1:17:36Joe Rogan?

  I was, I was talking to a friend of mine who was one of the earlier ones to get canceled. This was quite a few years ago, this was, like, more than 10 years ago. Something happened online and someone said something about, something that he said that was patently false, but a lot of people believed it. And he, you know, he made a, his own statement, and, but then he said, everywhere I go, he goes, I know this was small and it was only in the comedy community, but everywhere I went, I felt like these people hated me. They knew who they were and they were judging me. So it was like, it was tainting my feelings everywhere I went.

• 1:18:09Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:18:10Joe Rogan?

  Now, imagine being Monica Lewinsky.

• 1:18:13Speaker 03

  Oh, my god, I know.

• 1:18:14Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so no internet, right?

• 1:18:16Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:18:17Joe Rogan?

  So, this is, like, there's no way to tell whether people are siding with you or not. And everybody knows you suck the president's dick and you're 20. And you, you have to go to the store, you have to date guys.

• 1:18:28Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:18:28Joe Rogan?

  And if, if you don't blow a guy, he's like, what the fuck?

• 1:18:32Joe Rogan?

  You're, like, famous for it.

• 1:18:34Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:18:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Every time she's probably giving head, she's thinking, oh my god, why am I doing this? I got, this is what got me in all this trouble in the first place.

• 1:18:43Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:18:44Joe Rogan?

  You know, I can imagine that kind of weirdness. Do you remember she did an HBO thing? She did an HBO thing way, way back in the day where she sat down to talk about what this experience has been like for her. And it was weird because there was a guy in the audience that like, she was like, taking questions, I guess. And the guy in the audience was like, why are you doing this? Like, you say you don't want attention, but here you are, just getting more attention, talking about it. And like, you could tell, like, she didn't really think that through. Like, that someone was gonna have that kind of a response, and it was like, that was kinda like at the end of the thing.

• 1:19:15Speaker 03

  I think that, like, you know, when you're in that kind of a situation, you want to, on some level, clarify.

• 1:19:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:19:24Speaker 03

  Like, you know, you wanna...

• 1:19:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:19:26Speaker 03

  You wanna say it like...

• 1:19:26Joe Rogan?

  Say your side of it.

• 1:19:28Speaker 03

  Right, so...

• 1:19:29Joe Rogan?

  But your side of it, ultimately, for most people, is going to be trying to make yourself look better. Right?

• 1:19:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:36Joe Rogan?

  And I think that's a problem.

• 1:19:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:38Joe Rogan?

  That's a problem. That, cause that's very transparent, and people kinda know what you're doing. I think it's always better, like, what you just did, where you said, like, maybe I did overreact, or maybe I shouldn't have done this. Maybe, that's a stupid thing to say, like, be much more real about how you feel about things.

• 1:19:55Speaker 03

  Oh, I fucking blew it, Joe.

• 1:19:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I know, but it means that's, but it doesn't matter, man. I'm telling you, this is all in your head, everybody still loves you.

• 1:20:02Speaker 03

  Right, well...

• 1:20:02Joe Rogan?

  You're the same guy. The people who love you will always love you, the people who hate you. It's like, it's very rare that someone who really loves you hates you. Like, if they do, they're usually mentally ill, and they want to. Like, the...

• 1:20:14Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:20:14Joe Rogan?

  I remember when I was a kid, people would get mad if bands became famous. They'd be like, fuck those guys, they're sellouts. And I remember, we were in high school, I'd go, let me get this straight.

• 1:20:25Joe Rogan?

  This is me, at like, sixteen. I go, you love them, you think they're awesome, right? Yeah. I go, but when more people know they're awesome, then they're not awesome anymore, because now they're mainstream. He goes, yeah. I go, do you know how fucking dumb that sounds? Either they are awesome, or they are not. If they are awesome, more people should know they are awesome.

• 1:20:43Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:20:44Joe Rogan?

  And we're all just sitting around, and a couple of my friends go... Yeah, like, yeah, yeah, this idea of like being underground is fucking retarded. Like, why would you want that? If you're great, people are gonna find out about you.

• 1:20:55Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:20:56Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't mean you sold out. It just means other people found out you were great. Like, you recognize something and you think you're unique in your talent to recognize really good music and only you can appreciate it and if other people appreciate it, then all of a sudden it's not good? That is the dumbest fucking way to think I've ever encountered in my life.

• 1:21:14Speaker 03

  I mean, it, to be fair, I think that the criticism at that point is when.

• 1:21:19Joe Rogan?

  They change.

• 1:21:20Speaker 03

  When they're, when they're trying to.

• 1:21:22Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:21:22Speaker 03

  To reach a more broad audience.

• 1:21:24Joe Rogan?

  But there's a lot of bands, like, for instance, that are not doing that and they just, they just fucking hit. Like, people are mad at Nirvana for getting big. Like, okay.

• 1:21:34Speaker 03

  Right, I couldn't agree with you more. I'm just being a devil's advocate.

• 1:21:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, I get it. I mean, but it's, my point is, it's a human inclination. Where you feel like you're a part of a small, select group that really values and appreciates something. And all these normies, these fuckheads, listening to fucking Debbie Gibson or whoever they're listening to. You don't want those assholes listening to your super cool music. But if it's like Nirvana, guess what? It's so good that everyone is gonna wanna listen to that. And then it becomes big, you're like, fuck those guys, they're fucking sold out, like.

• 1:22:05Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:22:06Joe Rogan?

  It's just a dumb, you're just mad at yourself. You're mad at your life. You're mad at your position in this universe.

• 1:22:11Speaker 03

  Well, I think that life is just getting really difficult, too.

• 1:22:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is now, true.

• 1:22:16Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:22:17Joe Rogan?

  But we're talking about people were doing this back in the fucking eighties. They've always done this, man.

• 1:22:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:22Joe Rogan?

  This is just how people behave. And you add that to the internet and it just, everything's accelerated.

• 1:22:28Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:22:29Joe Rogan?

  Times ten, times a hundred, times a million, whatever the fuck it is now. And, and this is just the beginning. You know, we're, we're at the brink of something really crazy. As soon as AI takes over our society, which is like within years. We're, we're gonna experience the most radical change this civilization has ever experienced.

• 1:22:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's literally a perfect storm, um, with, uh, just the unsustainable debt.

• 1:22:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's part of it.

• 1:22:56Speaker 03

  It's, I mean, that's a big part of it.

• 1:22:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, that's part of it, but it's like even if there was unsustainable debt, you have an artificial life form that's emerging that's infinitely smarter than human beings.

• 1:23:06Speaker 03

  What I'm saying is that-

• 1:23:07Joe Rogan?

  And has autonomy.

• 1:23:08Speaker 03

  That the unsustainable debt, um, like already over a trillion dollars just paying for the interest alone.

• 1:23:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:23:16Speaker 03

  You know, like, there's, they're all that now, like, you know, other nations, central banks, whatever, like, they, like, they, they want to de-dollarize. They're not buying the United States treasuries the way they were. And that's like how the United States has, has been able to overspend is because they can sell the treasuries. Now, without people selling the treasuries, the only, like, the only buyer of the treasuries is the Fed, and they're buying the treasuries with printing money.

• 1:23:46Joe Rogan?

  Is that accurate?

• 1:23:47Speaker 03

  I think it's pretty cl- I think it's, it's-

• 1:23:49Joe Rogan?

  Other countries aren't buying our treasuries anymore?

• 1:23:51Speaker 03

  It, it, it, the, less so. It's be- it's becoming less. It's, uh, of course, there's still, like, the United States treasuries is the most liquid, like, you know, but less so. So, when it becomes more difficult for the United States to sell its treasuries, they got to increase the yield, which means bigger interest payments. So, at a certain point, it's like, just the, paying the interest on the debt is like a crippling thing. And by the Fed printing money, the way they're printing, you can't inflate the money supply without devaluing the dollar.

• 1:24:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:24:27Speaker 03

  So, inflation, more and more, is gonna be a thing. Maybe not Weimar Germany or, like, Zimbabwe inflation, but still, inflation is not gonna go away. You just can't have the money supply increase without that being the case. And so, people's purchasing power goes down. Their wages aren't going up, so, like, people's, people are getting more and more squeezed with how much money they can afford to spend, and then on top of that, AI comes and wipes out all the jobs.

• 1:24:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Uh, it's spooky. It's spooky because no one really knows exactly what's gonna happen. You know, or how it's gonna happen, or how people will be compensated in order to keep society functional. You know, Elon has this utopian vision of universal high income.

• 1:25:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, UBI, universal basic income.

• 1:25:20Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no.

• 1:25:21Speaker 03

  Universal high income?

• 1:25:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, his, his utopian vision is that so much money will be generated from AI that you'll be able to give people universal high income. So they won't have to work and so they'll be able to do whatever they want to do with their life. That's the ideal perspective. The problem is, obviously, that people find a lot of identity in their work.

• 1:25:39Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:25:40Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you went to school for it, you love it, this is the thing you've done, you've been a lawyer your whole life, you've been a doctor your whole life, you've been a this your whole life, and then all of a sudden AI comes in and wipes that out. Like, what are you gonna do? You gonna play golf all day?

• 1:25:52Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:25:52Joe Rogan?

  And then you have a fixed income now. Because even if it's universal high income, there's no incentive for you to work harder and get more things done and make more money, which is what drives a lot of people and drives a lot of innovation. So then is all innovation left up to artificial intelligence? Is that what we're really gonna do? Because that seems kinda crazy.

• 1:26:11Speaker 03

  It's so crazy. I gotta wonder like...

• 1:26:13Joe Rogan?

  To secede our power.

• 1:26:14Speaker 03

  What keeps you going? I mean, like, you, you're in here doing these podcasts all the time with the UFC with like, you know, like, you don't have to be doing this.

• 1:26:24Joe Rogan?

  Everything I do is fun. I would do everything I do for free. And I do all the time. I do stand-up for free all the time. I do guest bots all the time. Everybody does. Every comic does.

• 1:26:33Speaker 03

  Oh my god, did I have so much fucking fun at Kill Tony last night.

• 1:26:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's the best show. It's the best show on earth.

• 1:26:38Speaker 03

  He is so unbelievably talented, like...

• 1:26:41Joe Rogan?

  He's the best host of any live comedy show, rather, of all time.

• 1:26:45Speaker 03

  There's no way...

• 1:26:46Joe Rogan?

  He's so good at it.

• 1:26:48Speaker 03

  Like, like, the, the amount of time when something is presented that he nails the funniest possible thing that you could react...

• 1:26:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like it's written. Like, you had a team of writers sitting there for...

• 1:27:01Speaker 03

  A hundred percent.

• 1:27:01Joe Rogan?

  A week, coming up with the best line, and it busts off the top of his head and it's always mean.

• 1:27:08Joe Rogan?

  He's the best.

• 1:27:08Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:27:09Joe Rogan?

  He's the best.

• 1:27:10Speaker 03

  I, I, I know that he's sensitive about, oh man, he, he wouldn't have wanted me to say I was on it last night.

• 1:27:16Joe Rogan?

  Why?

• 1:27:16Speaker 03

  Because before the show, he'd ask the audience, "Don't give away the secret of, uh, who's the guest."

• 1:27:22Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't matter.

• 1:27:23Speaker 03

  Alright. Then, then I'll say one thing because it was so funny.

• 1:27:25Joe Rogan?

  Don't say what happened, because this show's gonna come out before that happens.

• 1:27:29Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 1:27:29Joe Rogan?

  Don't do that.

• 1:27:30Speaker 03

  I'll tell, I'll tell ya. Then, it's just, suffice it to say that Tony Hinchcliffe has gotta be the fastest, wittiest fucking comic I've ever...

• 1:27:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's the best at that format, like, and he created it, right? So, it's like a genius idea. Have comics do one minute. Dude, comics have done one minute, the first time they've ever been on stage, at Madison Square Garden in front of sixteen thousand people, and fucking ate dick.

• 1:27:58Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:27:58Joe Rogan?

  Uh, it's a great show. And then he has, you know, guys like Dave Attell, Shane Gillis, you, fucking Harland is like one of the great, greatest guests of all time.

• 1:28:08Speaker 03

  Donnell.

• 1:28:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, Donnell's amazing. He's got, I mean, uh, there's just so many.

• 1:28:15Speaker 03

  Right, and, and like...

• 1:28:16Joe Rogan?

  Kyle Donegan, who does like five different characters that are incredible.

• 1:28:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, such high-level comics.

• 1:28:22Joe Rogan?

  Uh-huh, Adam Ray.

• 1:28:23Speaker 03

  I mean, maybe, well, right, but I'm saying like, high-level feature comics.

• 1:28:27Joe Rogan?

  Uh-huh.

• 1:28:28Speaker 03

  You know, who, who aren't like, super known.

• 1:28:29Joe Rogan?

  Who do one minute as well, yeah.

• 1:28:31Speaker 03

  They're seeking out to go. I brought my opener from tour, a guy who's not like widely known, but I just love him, and he's so funny, he's so good. Like, he...

• 1:28:41Joe Rogan?

  And he put his name in the barrel?

• 1:28:42Speaker 03

  Put his name in the barrel, and then...

• 1:28:43Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing too, if people asking me to get them on Kill Tony, I cannot. No one can. That is true. That barrel is legit. That barrel is legit. You reach into that barrel, Tony grabs whatever piece of paper his hands touch, and he pulls it out, and that's how it's always been done, and that's how he's always gonna do it, because people come to him all the time. "Hey, could you get my friend on the show?" He's like, "I cannot do that."

• 1:29:04Speaker 03

  He like...

• 1:29:05Joe Rogan?

  That is the show.

• 1:29:06Speaker 03

  Thank god.

• 1:29:07Joe Rogan?

  It's gotta be chance. It's gotta be chaos. That's part of the fun of it.

• 1:29:11Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:29:11Joe Rogan?

  And then every now and then, someone that you've never heard of comes up and does a minute, and everybody goes, "Fuck yeah, that was awesome."

• 1:29:17Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:29:17Joe Rogan?

  And they kill it, and all of a sudden they have a career.

• 1:29:19Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:29:20Joe Rogan?

  It's great.

• 1:29:21Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:29:22Joe Rogan?

  It's the cornerstone of stand-up, too. It really is. Because it's wild, all, it's like, there are no rules, it's no holds barred, and it's, you've got great comics on the panel, and it has launched careers.

• 1:29:35Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 1:29:35Joe Rogan?

  So because of that, like, it is so important for us, having Kill Tony at the club. It's so important, because it sets the tone for all these comics to know, like, hey, this isn't just like some random thing of, I don't know what I'm doing, how do I figure it out? How do I get seen? Like, you, there's a pathway. And if you can get on Kill Tony, and if you can work your ass off before then, and build up a real solid routine, and go on there and kill it, you can have a fucking career. It's real.

• 1:30:03Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:30:04Joe Rogan?

  And then the club has two nights of open mic nights, and there's a real development program, and the real talent coordinator, Adam Egan, who watches sets and gives the feedback.

• 1:30:12Speaker 03

  The, the opener that I'm talking about, and he drove all the way from Tampa to be there last night. Uh, his name's Chris Harvey. I love, he's six foot four, four hundred and eighty pounds, like, missing tooth, beard, funniest guy.

• 1:30:29Joe Rogan?

  Where's he from?

• 1:30:30Speaker 03

  He's from, uh, Ohio. Um, is it Dayton? I'm not sure where, where, not, but, uh, I, I was, I was at a comedy club in Fort Wayne, Indiana. And he just, they, they just set him up to open for me. I watched his set, I was like, what are you doing for the next three weeks?

• 1:30:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. So did he get up on the open mic night?

• 1:30:50Speaker 03

  He, uh, that, that's why, I, I texted Tony, like, hey, I've got this opener, can I get him on? And, and Tony said, I can get him in the bucket, who knows if I'll pull him out? But, I can also get him on the open mic to perform for the, the Booker. So he did that.

• 1:31:04Joe Rogan?

  Nice, nice. Yeah, it's important that you can't just get on the show.

• 1:31:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:10Joe Rogan?

  Because then, he, his phone would be just overrun with people, get my boy on, and then some of them suck, and...

• 1:31:15Speaker 03

  That, that makes perfect sense.

• 1:31:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have to just let it happen. If they suck, they suck. They don't, they're, you know, it's like, anything can happen. And that's part of the beauty of it, it's like a real magical moment, when you reach into that bucket, and you pull out a name, and Bob Smith, and then Bob Smith comes on out and gives it a shot.

• 1:31:32Speaker 03

  And the characters. I mean, it was, I just had so much fun, man, and, and Tony...

• 1:31:35Joe Rogan?

  I don't like being on the end. Because you're too close to these psychos. You never know. Like, I'm always on edge.

• 1:31:42Speaker 03

  That's funny.

• 1:31:43Joe Rogan?

  You want to be like protected by like one body.

• 1:31:45Speaker 03

  Apologies to Tony for giving away that I was on it last night.

• 1:31:49Joe Rogan?

  He's not gonna care.

• 1:31:51Speaker 03

  That, you know, I want to talk about, I watched Brian Callen's special, very recent, at the mothership. Like, it was like, you got all these people, like, you know, whenever anybody put, that's the thing about fucking comedy is it's so subjective. That like, it's just, if anybody can shit on a special if they want. And I saw these like YouTube videos, like all Brian Callen's, this is the most worst bombs gonna like end his career. I was like, come on, like, let me, I was like, let me watch this. I fucking enjoyed the hell out of Brian Callen's special, his one that he just taped at the mothership.

• 1:32:32Joe Rogan?

  That's great, you gotta stop paying attention to people.

• 1:32:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I enjoy.

• 1:32:35Joe Rogan?

  People want it to suck, like, there's people that think everything, think Chappelle's last special sucked.

• 1:32:42Speaker 03

  Oh my god, can we talk about that?

• 1:32:44Joe Rogan?

  I didn't, I haven't seen it yet, so.

• 1:32:45Speaker 03

  Okay, the, the.

• 1:32:48Joe Rogan?

  But I heard it was awesome, from people that I trust.

• 1:32:50Speaker 03

  The Riyadh Comedy Festival, right, like, it was such like, an apocalyptic fucking nuclear bomb in the world.

• 1:32:58Joe Rogan?

  Did you go to that?

• 1:32:59Speaker 03

  I didn't, no, but like, there was so much backlash from people who went to it. And there were like, individual comics had their, their, you know, their, their, their own way of kind of defending their move to, you know, a lot of comics were very defensive about how they went, and, and a lot of them maybe like were, seemed a little bit disingenuous about like, about, in their defense, and then, dude, Dave Chappelle puts out this special, and so unapologetic about him being at the Riyadh Comedy. It was just like. It was so fucking masterful.

• 1:33:37Joe Rogan?

  He's a master.

• 1:33:38Speaker 03

  The way, he was just like, oh, like I went to Riyadh and got paid like a fucked out of money to do comedy. And like, so unapologetic and it was just like, oh my god.

• 1:33:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, the idea is that you support the regime by doing stand-up over there, which I think is crazy. Cause you're doing it for the audience members and the audience members have no say in who their government is. They're literally a monarchy.

• 1:34:00Speaker 03

  I'm not even, I, I don't even have a judgment whatsoever, especially because have I ever not watched a UFC event? Because it happened in Saudi Arabia?

• 1:34:10Joe Rogan?

  Or Dubai or wherever. Yeah, you, you don't do that with sporting events, but you do it with comedy. I think the idea is that comedians are supposed to be social commentators and they're supposed to like carry a baton for free speech. And one of the particularly egregious things that's been attributed to Saudi Arabia was the murder of Jamal Khashoggi. Who was a journalist from the Washington Post, who was killed at the Turkish Embassy and they cut him up with a fucking bone saw and some dark shit. Um, yeah, I get it. I get the criticism and I get people saying, well, I'm gonna perform for my audience. And my audience is over there and if they say, I can't make fun of, I think you can't make fun of the monarchy.

• 1:34:52Joe Rogan?

  You can't make fun of the, the leaders or the government and you can't make fun of Islam or religion. I think maybe it might just be religion, period.

• 1:35:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it was, you can't be disparaging of Islam or the royal family.

• 1:35:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Alright, well, you gotta decide then if you know what those parameters are, you know? If you, maybe it doesn't fit with your act at all, or maybe you're like, I don't have any bits about the royal family. Or I could just go over and do my act for a bunch of people uncensored.

• 1:35:20Speaker 03

  Right. I mean, I, I, I thought about it.

• 1:35:23Joe Rogan?

  I see both sides.

• 1:35:24Speaker 03

  I don't give a shit one way or the other. My only input here is that Dave Chappelle, like. Checkmated.

• 1:35:32Joe Rogan?

  Of course. He handles everything perfectly. And again, he's not on social media. He's not paying attention to people's opinions of him. You cannot, because there's so many people that have decided that he was a horrible transphobe for telling a story about his transgender friend. Like, I mean, literally, he told this story about this person and his act, and people didn't care, because he made jokes about trans people. Like, of course, it's in the public eye. This idea that you can't joke about something is fu... If there's a thing you can't joke about, that thing is fucked up. And that's why the Lakota used to have, like, a sacred clown. They called it a hayoka. And a hayoka was like a member of the community that was supposed to make fun of everything. And if you couldn't make fun of anything, then you knew something was wrong with that thing. Because if you...

• 1:36:17Joe Rogan?

  If there's a thing that you can't joke around about, that thing has been compromised. Right? Because you can kind of joke around about everything if it's actually funny. No matter what it is.

• 1:36:26Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:36:26Joe Rogan?

  Even tragedy, given enough time, you can joke around about it.

• 1:36:30Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:36:30Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:43Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:50Speaker 03

  Oh my God, you remind me of what I think was the funniest fucking tweet that I ever saw from Jeff Ross. Going back, the year I want to say was like 2016. The Magic Castle in Los Angeles, there was, like, the magicians, you know, a magician was found hanging in a closet in the Magic Castle.

• 1:39:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he committed suicide.

• 1:39:16Speaker 03

  Had taken his own life.

• 1:39:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:18Speaker 03

  That morning, Jeff Ross tweeted that his last words were "abracadaver."

• 1:39:29Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:39:31Speaker 03

  That's fucking funny.

• 1:39:32Joe Rogan?

  That's such a Jeff Ross type joke. That's a Tony Hitchcliff type joke too.

• 1:39:36Speaker 03

  Abracadaver.

• 1:39:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, if there's a thing that you can't make fun of, that that thing is usually bullshit. And if that thing is trans people, like, then you're you're you are ignoring that there's a glaring hole in this narrative that you're trying to push and whether or not people are accepting that narrative.

• 1:39:54Speaker 03

  You know, um, I I'll be spilling out some of the stuff that I have in my current hour, and I really don't mind.

• 1:40:02Speaker 03

  I, uh, for me, I feel like the bar's gotta keep getting higher and keep getting higher. And so as I went into putting together this new hour that I'm touring with, one of my multimedia bits, like, ended up not being a really great idea, but I thought, I'm gonna get a fucking boob job.

• 1:40:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, I heard about that.

• 1:40:22Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:40:22Joe Rogan?

  Did you do it?

• 1:40:23Speaker 03

  I didn't. I I I that I was I was within 10 hours of being under the knife. And and, uh, like, the universe just intervened, right?

• 1:40:32Joe Rogan?

  Because they have to cut your muscle, man.

• 1:40:34Speaker 03

  Right, well, I'm like, I mean, you know, the, uh...

• 1:40:36Joe Rogan?

  Don't they? Or do they go into the skin? They go through your nipples?

• 1:40:39Speaker 03

  You can do it in multiple different ways. I was, uh, I was told, um, I was interested in just the idea, see, because, like, I I I'm I'm now in my 50s, right? And so, like, my whole new hour is is the theme of it is, how the fuck is Steve-O supposed to be in his 50s? You know, like, and so with the putting the stuff up my butt section is like the importance of, like, we're at an age, we gotta get prostate exams, colonoscopies, you know, that's a real thing. And so I'm trying to, like, de-stigmatize the prostate exam.

• 1:41:14Joe Rogan?

  Right. Sure you are.

• 1:41:16Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:41:17Joe Rogan?

  You're definitely not putting things up your ass for entertainment.

• 1:41:20Speaker 03

  I'm blending it together and it's pretty awesome. And you know what, one of my things is like, um, you know, it's a rite of passage for men in middle age to to one day you realize, holy fuck, I'm getting tits, you know, like, like, uh, I, I noticed it one time, like, I'm fucking, I got dimples, you know, like actual fucking underboob over here. And it's fucking like, um, this wasn't supposed to happen to me. And so like that kind of was my motivation. I'm like, if, if this is gonna happen, then like I'm lashing out at father time. I'm gonna get a boob job. So I had the guy, um, famous plastic surgeon from Botched, Terry Dubrow, on my podcast.

• 1:42:03Joe Rogan?

  Is he one of those guys that fixes people?

• 1:42:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, Botched. He's great. I love that guy. Happened to be, uh, brothers with the lead singer of Quiet Riot, too.

• 1:42:13Joe Rogan?

  No way.

• 1:42:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:14Joe Rogan?

  Come on, feel the noise.

• 1:42:17Speaker 03

  Terry Dubrow and, and

• 1:42:18Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:42:19Speaker 03

  He was epic. So on the podcast, I was like, hey, I'm thinking about a wild crazy stunt, like, uh, get boob, get, uh, you know, a boob job and then just like film a bunch of pranks and stunts and then get it out, you know, like wild publicity stunt. I feel like the whole world's gonna know about it. And, uh, he, uh, he had me take off my shirt and he's like, he's like, yeah, your, your, your skin is already loose enough. You could fit double D implants. He says, but you gotta get them out within two months or the stretching would be unmanageable. And I'm like,

• 1:42:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:42:52Speaker 03

  And, and in my head, I'm thinking, this is the loudest, fucking craziest, like this is where the bar is at, you know, like the, the,

• 1:43:00Joe Rogan?

  You need better friends.

• 1:43:02Speaker 03

  The, the level

• 1:43:02Joe Rogan?

  You really do.

• 1:43:04Speaker 03

  The level of commitment to do something that fucked up, like, uh, it, I just thought, and, and I, I was really into the idea. And, and I got, I got, I got super

• 1:43:14Joe Rogan?

  Call me next time. Just fucking call me, dude. Don't

• 1:43:17Speaker 03

  You know, Dana said the same thing.

• 1:43:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, don't do that.

• 1:43:20Speaker 03

  Dana said the same thing. So now, like, uh, I had blabbed it to the media, which is why you'd, you'd heard about it. That, uh, so, you know, there are all these articles. It's the night before my fucking operation and I get a phone call, like from the, the doctors, whatever guy. Says, hey buddy, we hit a snag, man. Like, uh, the anesthesiologist backed out. You know, we gotta reschedule the surgery. I'm like, fuck, man. So now the next day, they're trying to reschedule it. And I'm, I'm buying groceries in the supermarket i- in LA. And the, the person ringing me up on the cash register is, uh, like, seems pretty evidently transgender.

• 1:44:02Speaker 03

  And I'm just like, dude, it's like, uh, the fucking universe is giving me signs over here, you know? And so like, I, I asked this, didn't even occur to me up to this point that I'm gonna, that I need to like, run it by anybody, because I'm like, fuck it, my body, my choice, who cares, you know? I'm doing a dumb stunt to like, you know, be crazy. But in this situation, talked to this transgender, this transgender person, like, hey, can I run something by you? And, and I spoke with them. They described to me a level of oppression that genuinely fucking broke my heart. They said, hey, let me tell you, like, I am not allowed to use the bathroom at my own place of work. We've got like, politics-

• 1:44:43Joe Rogan?

  That's not true. They're just not allowed to use the bathroom, it doesn't align with their biological sex.

• 1:44:47Speaker 03

  Okay. Ah.

• 1:44:49Joe Rogan?

  But you gotta realize, they're not all, listen, I genuinely think there's people that feel like they are the, in the wrong biological sex.

• 1:44:59Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:44:59Joe Rogan?

  Right? But there's also people that are fucking perverts. And they have a thing called autogynephilia. And what that is, is they get a turn on by pretending to be a woman. They get excited by it, and they wanna be around women. And they're creeps. And so you give them a fucking Willy Wonka golden ticket to go into the Willy, to the women's locker room, and the women's bathroom, and stare at women and pretend you're a woman, when you're just a crazy man. And you're actually into women.

• 1:45:26Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:45:26Joe Rogan?

  That's real to men.

• 1:45:27Speaker 03

  I, I don't doubt that that's real, and I know that it's a super complex nuanced thing. And, and, uh, I don't-

• 1:45:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but here's what's not complex. What is your chromosomes?

• 1:45:37Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:45:38Joe Rogan?

  Okay? This is the same thing for competing. All these fucking mental gymnastics that seemingly intelligent people do to justify biological males competing with females.

• 1:45:48Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm with it, and I don't think anybody's arguing that.

• 1:45:51Joe Rogan?

  It's the same thing.

• 1:45:51Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:45:52Joe Rogan?

  It's the same thing. And especially as, uh, speaking as a man who has daughters, like, there are creeps. And if you give a creep, and I'm not saying all trans people are creeps. Right. But a lot of these fucking people that are in trouble for going into women's bathrooms dressed as a woman with a fucking beard and a hard-on are just that, they're creeps. Right, okay. They're crazy men. And these crazy men, their entire life, they would get beaten up for that. And now all of a sudden, they have to be accepted. So you've got two things going at the same time. For sure, for sure. You've got people with gender dysphoria that Right. genuinely wish they were a woman, or genuinely wish they were a man. And by the

• 1:46:31Joe Rogan?

  way, it's men that are the problem. No one gives a fuck about trans men going into the men's bathroom. Come on in, who cares? Right. Who cares? Oh, a girl's gonna shit next to you? Or what is she gonna do? She's gonna pee out of a funnel? Right, right, right. What is she gonna do? Like, no one's gonna get hurt. I'm not arguing with you on this. No one's gonna get hurt. This is the problem. When you allow perverts to have this hall pass to go into women's locker rooms and bathrooms, so you can't say you're not allowed to use the bathroom where you work. That's not true. You're just not allowed to use the women's room where other women are in there because you're not a woman. And I, I know you wish you were a woman, or whatever's going on. Right, right, right, okay. But you're not. You know, you make a very, very good point.

• 1:47:15Joe Rogan?

  If you're a woman, talk, talk to most women about this. And it's, unless they're insanely captured by this woke ideology where they can't see reality in the fact that perverts are still a real fucking thing. Yeah. And this, this loophole. You've given loopholes. Like, there's men in prison, I think it's like forty-seven biological males in California are housed in women's prisons. Some of them are sex offenders. Some of them in Canada, there's a guy in Canada that they had to pay for his boob job while he was in jail for being a sex offender, and they put him in a women's prison. Yeah.

• 1:47:52Speaker 03

  I'm not arguing with any of that.

• 1:47:53Joe Rogan?

  There's men who have pretended to be women, gone into women's prison, had sex with women and impregnated them. There's men who have sexually assaulted and raped women in prison that are pretending to be women with functional dicks. All they have to do is identify, air quotes, when you just have to identify, that's it? No operation, no nothing, identify. That is bonkers. And do you think they're giving them estrogen when they get in prison? Do they give hormone replacement therapy to people in prison? I don't know. I don't know, but even then, it's still a man with estrogen. You can't escape your fucking chromosomes, okay? And until you can, until there's some sort of a CRISPR thing that you really wanna be a woman, we can turn you into an actual woman.

• 1:48:38Joe Rogan?

  Until that happens, what you're dealing with is a form of gender dysphoria, which has always been classified as a mental illness, until people became much more empathetic and sensitive to people that have this problem.

• 1:48:51Speaker 03

  Right. And you make a completely valid argument.

• 1:48:57Joe Rogan?

  Nobody should be able to tell you, you can't do something fucking stupid like get a boob job because they are transgender. That's crazy.

• 1:49:05Speaker 03

  Understood. My experience was that, I didn't get any of this like, you know, sense that this is a creepy pervert, anything like that. I just thought, man...

• 1:49:18Joe Rogan?

  They don't have to be a creepy pervert.

• 1:49:20Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:49:21Joe Rogan?

  Right, but it's still a man.

• 1:49:22Speaker 03

  Understood. I just thought, man, I heard what they had to say about, you know, politicians trying to put them in internment camps and all of it.

• 1:49:34Joe Rogan?

  Who's doing that? What politicians are saying they should be put in internment camps?

• 1:49:37Speaker 03

  I think that there was some kind of a...

• 1:49:40Joe Rogan?

  There might be one kook out there that's saying that to try to get attention. There's no movement to try to put transgender people in internment camps.

• 1:49:47Speaker 03

  Okay, well then, I'll land on this.

• 1:49:49Joe Rogan?

  Do you know who's killed more people than ICE this year? Trans shooters. Do you know the majority of these high school shootings have been transgender people?

• 1:49:59Speaker 03

  I did not know that.

• 1:50:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, how many of them? There was one recently. And, yeah, it's a lot of them. You know why? Because they're giving them psych medications, they're giving them a bunch of crazy hormones, and a lot of them probably have mental struggles already. And they're ostracized from society, and fill in the blank. And then they're empowered by thinking that, you know, that the world has done something bad to them. And that there's like a genocide against trans people. And they attack J.K. Rowling, and they attack all these people. Martina Navratilova, who's like a famous lesbian for being a bigot. Because she doesn't want biological men competing with women in tennis. It's nuts, man. And it's like, either you go by biology, or you do not.

• 1:50:44Joe Rogan?

  Either you go by XY chromosome, or then you're in this weird fucking gray area where someone could just tell you they're a woman. And that's how you get men in women's prisons.

• 1:50:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. Alright. You've convinced me.

• 1:50:59Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't mean you can't be kind.

• 1:51:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51:01Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't mean you can't, I'm, I am, I try to be kind to everyone. And if I meet someone who's trans, if they want me to call them Stacy, or whatever, like, I know a couple of trans people. My friend Jim Norton is married to a trans woman. I'm super cool with them, hug her every time I see her. I'm cool with that. But at the end of the day, if I was a woman, I, I want biological women in my, I think the solution is individual bathrooms whenever feasible. And if you want to have an all-gender bathroom, huh, good luck with the legal ramifications of that if it's a bar. Because then any guy can fucking go in there, and any guy and girl can get in a bathroom, if it's a multiple stall bathroom.

• 1:51:39Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:51:39Joe Rogan?

  But the solution is XY chromosome. And the solution is like, if a guy walks into the men's room with a dress on, and he's trans, just leave him alone. Leave him alone. Let him go to the bathroom. Like, what is the big deal?

• 1:51:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51:52Joe Rogan?

  You're like, at the end of the day, we have to understand that like, what is more important? One person's feelings or the safety of all these women?

• 1:52:00Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:52:01Joe Rogan?

  The safety of all these women is much more important.

• 1:52:03Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:52:04Joe Rogan?

  So you, you gotta be kind to people, but also you gotta have rules. There's a reason why there's a women's room and a men's room. It's because some men are fucking creeps. And if you allow those creeps to just put on a dress, well, you, and again, I'm not saying all trans people are like this.

• 1:52:18Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:52:18Joe Rogan?

  At all, but you can't have that loophole. You can't, let's like, you can't have an open border. Doesn't mean that all immigrants are murderers and you don't think that either, right?

• 1:52:27Speaker 03

  I don't.

• 1:52:27Joe Rogan?

  But some people that sneak across the border, if you don't check, are going to be murderers. It's just a fact.

• 1:52:34Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:52:35Joe Rogan?

  So you have to have a fucking closed border to check and you have to have a gender border too.

• 1:52:38Speaker 03

  Yep, well, god damn it. And, and my only takeaway from my experience that I was relating to you is that, uh, it, it made me feel compassionate.

• 1:52:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's nice.

• 1:52:48Speaker 03

  And I wanna be, I wanna be a good.

• 1:52:49Joe Rogan?

  That's good. A better reason would be it's fucking stupid if you got a boob job. Don't do it. No one's gonna like you more, I think you're cool because you got a boob job at fifty-two.

• 1:52:58Speaker 03

  Right, I'm glad, I'm glad that.

• 1:53:00Joe Rogan?

  How old are you now?

• 1:53:01Speaker 03

  Fifty-one.

• 1:53:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's too old for a boob job.

• 1:53:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:53:03Joe Rogan?

  Even if you're a girl.

• 1:53:04Speaker 03

  I'm, uh, I'm really.

• 1:53:06Joe Rogan?

  Unless you just got divorced, you're like, I need some new dick, I gotta go.

• 1:53:08Speaker 03

  I'm really glad that I didn't do it.

• 1:53:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:53:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:53:12Joe Rogan?

  If you were here with a boob, with two giant boobs, I'd be like, I don't know what to say to this guy. This is so stupid.

• 1:53:17Speaker 03

  You know who was, who was into the idea, thought it was fucking really funny was Burt.

• 1:53:21Joe Rogan?

  Of course. Of course.

• 1:53:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:53:24Joe Rogan?

  Also, he has his own boobs.

• 1:53:28Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:53:29Joe Rogan?

  Burt goes back and forth, but he's light now. He's, uh, he quit drinking for like six months.

• 1:53:33Speaker 03

  Aw, man, and his.

• 1:53:34Joe Rogan?

  He had a little bit of a health scare.

• 1:53:36Speaker 03

  His, uh, fucking sitcom on Netflix is so good.

• 1:53:40Joe Rogan?

  It's really good. He's funny, man. He's a fun dude. It's just like, he's another guy that is like a little overexposed. He does so much promotion and so much stuff, like you. You know, like the talking about that thing where you get the feed, the, the negative feedback?

• 1:53:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:53:53Joe Rogan?

  You got a lot of negative feedback for over promoting shows, but. Don't listen, don't watch it, who cares?

• 1:53:59Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:54:00Joe Rogan?

  If you, if you think he's promoting himself too much, just don't pay attention.

• 1:54:03Speaker 03

  Let me, let me run this by.

• 1:54:04Joe Rogan?

  There's shit to be angry about in the world.

• 1:54:06Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:54:07Joe Rogan?

  Burt Kreischer promoting a comedy special is not on that list.

• 1:54:12Speaker 03

  Right. Let, let me, let me run this by.

• 1:54:14Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:54:15Speaker 03

  The, uh, okay, so I decide like I'm only gonna promote things that, uh, that are healthy, you know, or at the very least, don't do harm.

• 1:54:24Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:54:25Speaker 03

  Felt really good about that.

• 1:54:26Joe Rogan?

  Alright, so what are you promoting that you have a problem with?

• 1:54:29Speaker 03

  Well, I, I see, uh, this, this guy, Brian Johnson, the, the...

• 1:54:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the guy who wants to live forever?

• 1:54:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, the guy who wants to live forever. I'm fascinated by him.

• 1:54:39Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:54:39Speaker 03

  I had him on my podcast and, uh, I, and, you know, I mean, he's a unique guy, but I see him, he's on this warpath against AG1. And I'm like, goddamn it. I'm like...

• 1:54:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, but he sells a competing supplement.

• 1:54:56Speaker 03

  Right, that sounds...

• 1:54:57Joe Rogan?

  Here's the thing about AG1...

• 1:54:58Speaker 03

  For, for what it's worth, I drink AG1 every goddamn day and I love it.

• 1:55:02Joe Rogan?

  It's a vitamin. It's a multivitamin. It's not the end-all, be-all, it's gonna fix your health, but vitamins are good for you. And if you can get vitamins in a simple travel pack like AG1 has, and throw them in your bookbag and take them with you places, it's better than not having vitamins. Period. That's it. That's all it is.

• 1:55:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:55:21Joe Rogan?

  Um, I think pro, the, part of the problem that people have with AG1 is maybe they overstated some of the benefits of the probiotics and prebiotics. Like when people have analyzed the, um, the nutrient density of these packs and what the ingredients is, that's been their criticism. But criticizing a multivitamin that you're taking in a liquid form, like, that seems kinda silly. Like, it's, is it gonna be the best thing that you've ever done for your health? No, being in shape and eating well is the best thing you've ever done for your health, but... Having like some sort of nutritional insurance, some sort of a little thing, little thing that you add to your, your food every day, to your, you know, your.

• 1:56:00Speaker 03

  It's designed to fill in the gaps in your diet.

• 1:56:03Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's a good thing to have vitamins, period. That's it. Vitamins are good.

• 1:56:08Speaker 03

  And it tastes good.

• 1:56:09Joe Rogan?

  It's simple.

• 1:56:10Speaker 03

  A lot of people say AG1 doesn't taste good. I like the way it tastes.

• 1:56:13Joe Rogan?

  You know, and if you think it's too expensive, or you think it's not good enough, then, okay, don't take it. Whatever. But if you take it, it's not bad for you. There's a lot of things that are bad for you. AG1's not bad for you. It's fucking vitamins. It's pretty simple. Pretty simple stuff.

• 1:56:26Speaker 03

  Okay, good.

• 1:56:27Joe Rogan?

  Take it or don't take it, who cares? You know, people worry too much, again, about stupid fucking shit. You have a brief amount of time in this. You're halfway dead, bubba. You know, you don't have much time on this planet to be worrying about stupid shit.

• 1:56:40Speaker 03

  Thank you, Joe.

• 1:56:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:42Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:56:43Joe Rogan?

  Don't. Don't do it, man.

• 1:56:44Speaker 03

  Okay, I wanna, I wanna, I just wanna be a good guy.

• 1:56:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:47Speaker 03

  That's my thing.

• 1:56:47Joe Rogan?

  Then just be a good guy.

• 1:56:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56:49Joe Rogan?

  But don't worry about it all the time.

• 1:56:50Speaker 03

  Good.

• 1:56:51Joe Rogan?

  That shit ain't good for you.

• 1:56:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56:53Joe Rogan?

  Don't be in your head like that.

• 1:56:54Speaker 03

  You know, you know what?

• 1:56:54Joe Rogan?

  Like, you're in your head worried about your public image, you're in your head worried about where you are in your career, you're in your head. Just do your best.

• 1:57:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:57:01Joe Rogan?

  Just do your best all the time.

• 1:57:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:57:03Joe Rogan?

  If you enjoy what you're doing, and you do your best, everything's gonna be fine.

• 1:57:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:57:10Joe Rogan?

  Or not.

• 1:57:11Speaker 03

  I, I do.

• 1:57:12Joe Rogan?

  Or you die. You know, like, you can't control that either. So what do you, just keep going.

• 1:57:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:57:17Joe Rogan?

  Just stop being in your head. Everybody is like, you know, you've got this all mapped out, and a lot of what you're mapping out is other people's opinions of you. Like, oh, there's no better way to fuck up your life than to live for other people's opinions.

• 1:57:31Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 1:57:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:57:33Joe Rogan?

  Do self auditing, do some self assessing, you know? There's many times in my life when I'm unhappy with myself. And so I don't, I fix it. Figure it out. Fix it. Do, but do better. Do, fix that, fix this. Don't, don't do as much of that. Do less of this. Do more of what you think is good, you know?

• 1:57:52Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:57:52Joe Rogan?

  Try to be a nicer person, try to be kind. Like, it's like, you can, but don't sit around worrying about what each individual commenter thinks about you. God, that's crazy for you. It's, you're, you're absorbing too much negativity. And it's, this is the message that I give to everybody. Look, there's a great benefit to social media. It's an amazing tool and it's changed society. However, it's just like gambling, it's just like pornography, it's just like food. You can get wrapped up in it and it could be your whole fucking life if you let it.

• 1:58:24Speaker 03

  It's been over a decade since I watched porn.

• 1:58:27Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 1:58:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:30Joe Rogan?

  Good for you. And some people, it's been about five minutes.

• 1:58:36Joe Rogan?

  Some people are watching porn on a split screen right now while they're watching this. They're, they're jacking off right now to a gangbang while they're listening to Steve O talk about how, oh, you're missing out.

• 1:58:47Joe Rogan?

  You know how many people are subscribed to OnlyFans? We were looking this up the other day. It's like, what are the numbers of Americans? It's something shocking. It's some insanely shocking number. It's like a hundred plus million subscribers to OnlyFans.

• 1:59:01Speaker 03

  Man.

• 1:59:02Joe Rogan?

  And then with women, it's some, somewhere between like the ages of eighteen to like twenty something. It's like ten percent of the population is on OnlyFans.

• 1:59:14Speaker 03

  As content?

• 1:59:15Joe Rogan?

  As content creators.

• 1:59:17Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:59:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. So that's what's weird is cause like if you think about it, if you fuck on camera, right? You're kind, you're a porn star, right? But maybe you're only fucking your boyfriend, maybe you wear a mask, okay. But you're, are you doing it for money? What if you have sex with other people for money? Is that prostitution? So what if they just said, well, let's just legalize prostitution? Do you know how many fucking people would become prostitutes if they got desperate? Like Uber driver prostitute.

• 1:59:48Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:59:48Joe Rogan?

  You know, what do you want to do? Like, there's a lot of people who would go into prostitution. And some people think they should have that right to do that. And it should be freedom and freedom of expression and freedom of occupation. And then other people go, that might not be the best for society.

• 2:00:04Speaker 03

  I, I had this crazy thought at one point.

• 2:00:07Joe Rogan?

  What are the numbers for OnlyFans?

• 2:00:10Speaker 06

  There's no official numbers. It's somewhere in the range of 100 to 150 million, but

• 2:00:14Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:00:15Speaker 06

  Only 4% of those are actually people who pay.

• 2:00:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, how's that work?

• 2:00:19Speaker 06

  They're free accounts.

• 2:00:21Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so what percent is people that pay?

• 2:00:23Speaker 06

  Sorry, 4%.

• 2:00:24Joe Rogan?

  4?

• 2:00:25Speaker 03

  4.2.

• 2:00:26Joe Rogan?

  4? Oh, so there's 100 million people accessing free content and 4% of the users actually compete paid transactions. Wait a minute, but does it cost money to join?

• 2:00:40Speaker 06

  Nope.

• 2:00:41Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't cost to join?

• 2:00:41Speaker 06

  It's up to the person who's making the content.

• 2:00:44Joe Rogan?

  So is a paid transaction mean you subscribed?

• 2:00:47Speaker 06

  Depends.

• 2:00:48Joe Rogan?

  So like, so if you go on OnlyFans, you have to subscribe to each person's content, right?

• 2:00:54Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 2:00:55Joe Rogan?

  Okay. So it's only 4% that are doing that. So over 100 million creepers are just checking it out.

• 2:01:03Speaker 06

  Well, that's where you go. People have multiple accounts.

• 2:01:06Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's a good point. Why?

• 2:01:10Speaker 06

  Well, various reasons. I wouldn't get into them. Jamie's got both accounts? I've never subscribed to one of them.

• 2:01:18Joe Rogan?

  Of course not! I was joking, but I mean, so 4% is not as much, but it's still.

• 2:01:25Speaker 03

  4 million people that are paying, 4 or 5 million people that are paying.

• 2:01:31Joe Rogan?

  And what are the percentage of young girls that are on OnlyFans as content creators? And they're not all showing the cooch. Some of them are just a little nip slip, maybe just a bikini shot, you know, G-string, bend over, but it's still.

• 2:01:47Speaker 03

  But then you've got like the bad baby chick making like 50 million dollars on there.

• 2:01:51Joe Rogan?

  I know, that's crazy. What did she do on there?

• 2:01:53Speaker 03

  I don't know. I have no idea.

• 2:01:55Speaker 06

  According to these numbers, 4 to 4.6 million creators worldwide with 1 million of them being in America.

• 2:02:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's it? So when they said it's 10% of girls 18 to 49, what percentage of girls, not 18 to 25? I think that was the number. What percentage of girls, put that in, 18 to 25 in America, have an account on OnlyFans? Percentage of girls between 18 to 25 in America have an account on OnlyFans? Okay, let's see here. Let's see what it says.

• 2:02:34Joe Rogan?

  10%. 14% of American women aged 18 to 24 have an OnlyFans account. That's crazy dude.

• 2:02:42Speaker 03

  That is really crazy.

• 2:02:43Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. 14% of American women aged 18 to 24 have an OnlyFans account. That is wild.

• 2:02:50Speaker 06

  It's just an estimate though, just for argument's sake.

• 2:02:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:54Speaker 06

  These are not official numbers, I don't think in any way.

• 2:02:57Speaker 03

  I, I had this crazy thought hypothetically.

• 2:03:00Joe Rogan?

  It's a crazy estimate.

• 2:03:02Speaker 03

  Hypothetically, if you had like a brick and mortar establishment with a bunch of chicks in there and, and.

• 2:03:09Joe Rogan?

  Or else you mean?

• 2:03:09Speaker 03

  Right, yeah. And, and, and ordained minister so that like a guy could walk in, pick out a woman and.

• 2:03:19Joe Rogan?

  Marry them?

• 2:03:19Speaker 03

  Marry them on the spot. So then now that's your wife and you are consummating your marriage. That's gotta be totally legal. And then as you leave the establishment, you annul the marriage. Is that not like a, would that not just automatically?

• 2:03:37Joe Rogan?

  That's a loophole? That's a prostitution loophole? Well, one thing you could do is you could have a thing where you could fall in love immediately and get married and then give someone citizenship.

• 2:03:46Speaker 03

  Right. But as soon as you.

• 2:03:49Joe Rogan?

  But they come and visit you. They wanna see if you're like really in love. Like they're like, how long you guys know each other?

• 2:03:56Speaker 03

  It's crazy.

• 2:03:56Joe Rogan?

  Let me see you hold hands.

• 2:03:58Speaker 03

  I know.

• 2:03:58Joe Rogan?

  Let me see you kiss.

• 2:03:59Speaker 03

  I know a bunch of people who have gotten married for just citizenship.

• 2:04:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, I know a dude who married a girl for citizenship. Yeah.

• 2:04:06Speaker 03

  But, but you gotta stay married.

• 2:04:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It was, he did it for her. She was, uh, fuck, where was she from? I forget. But they didn't even really have a relationship. I think she was from Russia.

• 2:04:17Speaker 03

  They, they seem to tend to be from Russia.

• 2:04:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, she, it was just like they made a deal. I think it was a financial deal. This is the 90s. She's dead now.

• 2:04:26Speaker 03

  Okay, I wanna ask you, do you believe in reincarnation?

• 2:04:30Joe Rogan?

  I don't not believe in it.

• 2:04:31Speaker 03

  I think that there's like pretty like solid evidence. It's like if not irrefutable, but like you got little kids that are like giving like details that check out.

• 2:04:45Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:04:45Speaker 03

  Total like, you know, and then they know like.

• 2:04:49Joe Rogan?

  There's another alternative. That alternative is genetic memory. And so we know that some memories are transferred through genes. And this is one of the reasons why arachnophobia exists. Arachnophobia is an irrational fear of spiders.

• 2:05:03Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:05:04Joe Rogan?

  And the idea is that at some point in your genetic lineage, someone got really fucked up by a spider. Either you witnessed someone dying from a spider bite, or you almost died from a spider bite. And that memory is transferred through the genes. The same with aphidophobia, which is a fear of snakes. There's irrational fears that some people have that they attribute to a possible genetic memory. And then there's also, there's genetic memories like that are in animals that we know for a fact. Like a dog does not have to be taught, like I have a golden retriever.

• 2:05:36Speaker 03

  Marshall.

• 2:05:36Joe Rogan?

  Marshall, he's the best. And you don't have to teach Marshall to bring a ball back. He's a retriever. He has some sort of a genetic memory. And he also, I didn't have to teach him to pee in a bush and lift his leg. Like he knew how to do that.

• 2:05:49Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:05:49Joe Rogan?

  He just, it's in their, it's in their system, right? There's a bunch of things that are in their system. There's, they see animals, they get excited, they wanna bite them. Like it's not a learned behavior. Like that dog's super well-fed, but he will fuck a squirrel up if he catches it. Why? Because it's in his genetics.

• 2:06:05Speaker 03

  Primordial instinct.

• 2:06:06Joe Rogan?

  Right. So then with humans, think about all the different things that humans learn. And think of all the different fears that humans have. And how many of them are programmed? Like Rupert Sheldrake had a really important point once about what children are afraid of. He goes, do you think about it? What are children afraid of? They're afraid of monsters in the dark, right? They're, they're not afraid of child molesters, or murderers, or rapists, or car accidents. They're not afraid of, they're not afraid of things that really can harm them. They're afraid of monsters. And most children, especially living in a city, have never seen a monster, right? So why are they afraid of this thing? Well, it's because there's a genetic memory of us being. Preyed on by cats.

• 2:06:49Joe Rogan?

  And big cats who killed people forever hid in the trees, they hid in the dark. And you would go out to get water and they'd fuck you up and kill you. And so that is in little kids' memories. So if there's, if there's these kind of peripheral abstract memories or, or really radical, sharp memories that don't make sense, like arachnophobia and things like that, like it's so possible that it's not just those things that are transferred through the genetics, but also learned experiences and maybe even information. You just don't have a way of expressing it yet. That's one of the reasons why you'll notice that a lot of the children of talented musicians are really talented, even when they're adopted, even when they grew up in different families.

• 2:07:33Joe Rogan?

  They might have never even been around that parent, but they have like some sort of innate musical talent or literary talent or, or something. It's, I think there's some things that get transferred in DNA that we're not totally aware of. It's not like you get a menu list of all the things that you got from your parents. Oh, like my dad was into history, that's why I'm into history. Look at all these things. I think there's a lot of stuff that transfers that maybe gets filed away and maybe other people have access to those memories that you don't. Like there's weird levels of memory retention. We were talking about Mary Lou Henner from Taxi the other day. What's that disease she has? It's not a disease. It's the opposite of a disease.

• 2:08:18Joe Rogan?

  It's an amazing ability. She has this incredible ability. You can tell her July 2nd, 1976. She could tell you it was a Tuesday, she could tell you what happened, what was in the news, who did what, what she did, what color clothes she was wearing. Highly superior autobiographical memory. Now, imagine if that, whatever that is, that incredible memory is passed genetically occasionally and passed into some children and then they don't just get the memory of their own life, but they get the memory of previous lives that other people have lived.

• 2:08:52Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:08:52Joe Rogan?

  So you think about how many different generations of human beings had to exist before Steve-O was born. You have all of this DNA and all of this information inside of your genes supposedly. Maybe you can access some of that. And that some of it that you're accessing might be what we're calling reincarnation.

• 2:09:11Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:09:12Joe Rogan?

  What is this, Jamie?

• 2:09:13Speaker 06

  This is the doctor who is a specialist in reincarnation at the University of Virginia. His name's Dr. Jim Tucker. He's continuing the work of a previous doctor, I think Hammond is his last name.

• 2:09:23Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 2:09:24Speaker 06

  These are the two most repeated stories I've heard about that they that people talk about. There's a kid that repeats stories of a plane crash when he was a pilot.

• 2:09:32Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:09:33Speaker 06

  He's got a lot. There's further videos I've watched on this kid. So many details are in.

• 2:09:37Joe Rogan?

  Details verified against historical records of a pilot who died 50 years earlier, matching exactly despite no prior family exposure. Okay, well, that's very different.

• 2:09:48Speaker 06

  He went and met people and recognized them, I think, and even pointed out some of the names.

• 2:09:52Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so that but here's the thing. If that kid is not related in any way to this person who died from the plane crash.

• 2:09:59Speaker 06

  I don't believe so.

• 2:10:00Joe Rogan?

  Then we're talking about something totally different then.

• 2:10:02Speaker 06

  But what you are getting at, there is discussions of this kind of overall work. I think it's on here where people talk about that. It's Deepak Chopra says it's a little bit like quantum physics. So how this happens isn't known, obviously, because this guy even says it starts, I think, between like age two and by age five or so, all the memories are kind of gone and they don't remember the stuff anymore.

• 2:10:24Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:10:25Speaker 06

  It's like very fleeting. You can't really ask a lot of questions. They have to just tell you. And if you start asking too many questions, they freak out, some of the kids start crying and they don't even like it goes away.

• 2:10:34Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:10:35Speaker 06

  It's very odd, but there's.

• 2:10:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, what's really odd is that it goes away.

• 2:10:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:10:39Joe Rogan?

  That's really odd.

• 2:10:40Speaker 06

  And then as you were saying with Mary Lou Henner, hers doesn't even start until she was age 11.

• 2:10:44Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 2:10:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's always little kids. It's always little kids that have memories of past lives. And they're supposed to name the Dalai Lama based on a kid having a memory. You know, it's supposed to be a reincarnation thing. You know, I'm fascinated by that. And also, kind of in the same vein of it, so many irrefutable examples of where.

• 2:11:17Speaker 03

  Consciousness is evident, separate from the brain. Like, you've got the, you know, like, people with no brain activity whatsoever, you know, like, they're officially dead, you know, they're in the hospital. And they're, they wake up, come back to life, or whatever the case may be. And they're explaining to the doctor what was happening while they were unconscious.

• 2:11:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:42Speaker 03

  And to the extent that that can maybe be explained from what, you know, they were in the room, a lot of these cases, they're, they wake up and they say what the doctor was doing in a different part of the hospital, you know, like-

• 2:11:57Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:11:58Speaker 03

  There's a case of a guy, a doctor, he was like, had, you know, had a patient, and, you know, he's in the cafeteria at the hospital, he gets like, spills spaghetti on his shirt or something, and he's like, "Oh, man, I got a stain on my shirt." And so he like, puts his lab coat, you know, over it and does it up. And then the patient wakes up and says, "Oh, yeah, I spilled shit on your shirt." You know, like, there's a lot of evidence of consciousness, like, operating separate from the brain. And I had the most fascinating conversation with Duncan Trussell about the idea that, that the brain is not a generator, it's not a transmitter-

• 2:12:42Joe Rogan?

  It's an antenna.

• 2:12:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's an antenna.

• 2:12:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:45Speaker 03

  You know, and that explains a lot of stuff to me, you know, about, about this whole, I was saying like, to Duncan Trussell, imagine that, that we're like, more, we're more of a radio, like, an antenna, you know, like, you can take a radio and with a sledgehammer just smash it to smithereens. You've done nothing to disrupt the actual signal.

• 2:13:08Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:13:09Speaker 03

  So the, you know, the, you know, that signal can now tune in, be picked up by another radio. And that kind of explains reincarnation to me on some level. And Duncan Trussell hears that, he goes, "Yeah." And he got so many fucking people walking around, they, they, they don't realize they're a radio, they think they're the fucking Beatles.

• 2:13:32Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 2:13:35Joe Rogan?

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• 2:15:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:15:10Joe Rogan?

  Duncan's so funny.

• 2:15:11Speaker 03

  He's so good, man.

• 2:15:12Joe Rogan?

  Such a unique human.

• 2:15:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, and so all of this stuff is like super fascinating to me.

• 2:15:18Joe Rogan?

  It is interesting, but there's no answers. So it's like, there's a reason why so many societies and so many civilizations for a long time have believed in reincarnation, afterlife, that there's some sort of disembodied consciousness. There's a reason.

• 2:15:35Speaker 03

  Consciousness.

• 2:15:36Joe Rogan?

  But then it gets really weird. It's like they've also believed in beings that have come down from the heavens. So what are those things?

• 2:15:42Speaker 03

  And built the pyramids.

• 2:15:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. What are those things? What's that about? Who are those people?

• 2:15:47Speaker 03

  How about near-death experiences?

• 2:15:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, near-death experiences you could attribute to a lot of things, right? One of the things you could attribute to is an endogenous dump of psychedelic chemicals that we know the brain makes under stress. And one of the big ones is dimethyltryptamine, which we know your body makes. And there's a lot of people that think that it's sort of a chemical gateway and that what you're doing is getting a peek into the afterlife. That when you're having these DMT experiences and that when you're having a near-death experience, that's your brain flooding with DMT to prepare you for leaving this world.

• 2:16:26Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:16:27Joe Rogan?

  It's just weird that they all have a very similar thing about going through a tunnel and a light at the end of the tunnel. It's like this, it's a journey. And what is, you know, I haven't had a near-death experience, I don't know what it's like.

• 2:16:40Speaker 03

  You know who had one? Jeremy Renner.

• 2:16:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:16:44Speaker 03

  With the snowmobile accident. Like, I'm so fascinated by near-death experience videos on YouTube. You got people, thousands of people who have had the experience of dying, been on the other side, and they describe what's called life review. Okay? Like, there's the saying that everybody's familiar with, that when you die, your life flashes before your eyes. However, the way that these people describe it, it's that on the other side of death, like, as, you know, a spirit, like, somehow the concept of time is like, doesn't apply anymore. So you've got like, it's not like that your life flashes before your eyes, because time isn't like, there's no time constraint.

• 2:17:28Speaker 03

  So you've got like, you know, unfathomable, like, immersion, you know, without time. And that it's not that you're, you know, experiencing your life as you experienced it, but rather, you're, they describe experiencing your life in the most like, you know, I guess important, memorable moments, from the perspective of the people who, who you influenced, you know, the people who you had an impact on. And it's not just from their perspective, but in this near-death experience life review, the way that they describe it, you are those people. You know?

• 2:18:07Speaker 03

  It's like, and every, you know, all the scriptures, all the spirituality, like, there's this, the idea that... That separation is an illusion. That at the end of the day, that there's only oneness. We're all one thing. We're all eyes in the same head. You know, we're all the same thing, wearing different costumes.

• 2:18:28Joe Rogan?

  Right, so that begs the question, like, why are we separate? Like, what's the purpose of being separate?

• 2:18:33Speaker 03

  For, like, the, as I understand it, ah, the way that, that, ah, you know, what I've bought on to is that the universe, you know, everything, you know, like God.

• 2:18:46Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:18:47Speaker 03

  In the absolute form, God as one thing cannot have experience because there's nothing to, to relate to, you know, and so God in the absolute sense is kind of a, it's pure love, it's this pure awesome, but it's very lonely, you know, proposition. So, the idea of the separation is the universe, God, like, blasts itself into infinite different things to create the realm of the relative. So now, there's, you know, we have this separation, so now we can relate to one. This allows for God to experience itself. Which you would never be able to do.

• 2:19:32Speaker 03

  You would never be able to have up and down, or, you know, like, anything. And so it's like, the, the whole point is for experience.

• 2:19:40Joe Rogan?

  Right, but what's the benefit of experience for God?

• 2:19:44Speaker 03

  To, to know itself.

• 2:19:46Joe Rogan?

  So this is in regards only to human beings, or to all animals?

• 2:19:49Speaker 03

  Um, different, ah, like, the souls, and I go down these fucking rabbit holes, dude. Like, particularly, ah, recently, um, I, ah, did this whole audio book, a modern English version of a book that was published in eighteen fifty-seven by a French dude named Alan Cardac, who, ah, the, it's called The Spirits Book. And, you know, you've, like, got all these mediums that he's communicating with and putting together all this, like, you know, definitive book on spiritism.

• 2:20:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:27Speaker 03

  And, um, the, the way that that book describes it is that, ah,

• 2:20:33Speaker 03

  Animals have souls, but not souls that are with like moral implications of the growth. You know, the purpose of our separation and the purpose of our experience is to have free will, to have the choice to do good or bad, or you know, whatever. But to evolve as a soul where you evolve towards being loving and you know.

• 2:21:04Joe Rogan?

  Where was he getting this from?

• 2:21:06Speaker 03

  From mediums.

• 2:21:07Joe Rogan?

  From mediums? So the spirit world was telling him this?

• 2:21:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, and like crazy like, like a lot of like.

• 2:21:17Joe Rogan?

  The problem with mediums is the problem, the same problem that you have with trans people using the bathroom. Some are legit.

• 2:21:24Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 2:21:24Joe Rogan?

  And some of them are just not.

• 2:21:26Speaker 03

  Right, right, right, of course.

• 2:21:27Joe Rogan?

  That's the issue with anybody saying that they know.

• 2:21:31Speaker 03

  Right, right, right.

• 2:21:32Joe Rogan?

  Exactly why, you know, and what is the difference between the way animals think and behave and humans think and behave?

• 2:21:38Speaker 03

  Well, I just, I think with animals, there's, um, you know, it's that they're like.

• 2:21:43Joe Rogan?

  They're in the wild, they need survival.

• 2:21:44Speaker 03

  Survival, you know, where like, where humans have kind of a higher level of like a higher bar to meet because we have like more, there's more moral implications to the way we conduct our lives.

• 2:21:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, we've also figured out shelter, right? So we're a little bit set, we have doors and so we're not, we're separated from the wild world, which has allowed us to have a lot more time to innovate and think. Um, it might be correct.

• 2:22:12Speaker 03

  I think that.

• 2:22:13Joe Rogan?

  It's just interesting.

• 2:22:14Speaker 03

  It's very interesting.

• 2:22:15Joe Rogan?

  The problem is people like they buy in to things as being like absolute truth.

• 2:22:22Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 2:22:22Joe Rogan?

  And especially things that are exciting, like spiritual mediums and spirits and channeling and all that shit.

• 2:22:29Speaker 03

  I, I, I think that with the near death experience, you know, all these thousands of people have had the accounts. There's, um. There's this society of near-death experiencers, like, you know, official, like, whatever, you know.

• 2:22:43Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if any frauds slip in there with a fake story of almost dying.

• 2:22:46Speaker 03

  I don't doubt.

• 2:22:47Joe Rogan?

  I bet they do, yeah.

• 2:22:48Speaker 03

  I don't doubt it, but the consistency across all of the account, these accounts, it's like, it kind of like lends legitimacy to me, you know?

• 2:22:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the case with the alien abduction experience as well.

• 2:22:59Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:23:00Joe Rogan?

  That's a, that's another weird one. It's like, I want to dismiss it out, you know, I haven't had it, so I'm like, eh, fuck these people, it's not real. But man, it gets weird, it gets real, especially when you go, you read like Jacques Vallée's work and you realize this stuff has been going on in the seventeen hundreds, eighteen hundreds. They just had a different way of talking about it, because they didn't have the idea that a physical craft could fly in the sky that's made out of metal. To them, that was alien.

• 2:23:28Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:23:28Joe Rogan?

  It didn't make, I mean, for lack of a better word, but so they didn't describe it that way, but they did describe meeting these creatures and being taken away and waking up.

• 2:23:37Speaker 03

  Sucked up in a light.

• 2:23:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, things like that. It's like, there's so many of those stories, and then the actual stories of people that have been supposedly abducted, that have these stories of these encounters, they're oddly similar, regardless of where they live in the world, which is real weird.

• 2:23:55Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:23:56Joe Rogan?

  And it's one of those things, it's like, if it hasn't happened to you, you really wouldn't be able to describe it, like.

• 2:24:01Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 2:24:02Joe Rogan?

  And if you did, you wouldn't believe, and if it did happen to you, you'd be like, how am I even going to tell anybody about this?

• 2:24:06Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:24:07Joe Rogan?

  Because no one else has this experience, so this is going to be a crazy thing that I'm going to talk about, everyone's going to think I'm a kook.

• 2:24:12Speaker 03

  That's been, that's been a lot of people's experience, I think, up until recently. So now, like, with, with the way that people describe the, the life review, you know, and they describe like, things where they said something nasty, and that, you know, they, whatever, they did something like, you know, hurtful, and in their life review, they are the person, they feel that sorrow, and they come back like, with like, such, maybe remorse, maybe like more, like heightened compassion, like less, less interest in material things, and, and I just think to myself, oh my god, like, in my life, like, when I was such a fucking nightmare

• 2:24:53Speaker 03

  with drugs and sex and all the fucking crazy, you know, just like. I did a lot of, I created a lot of wreckage, you know, I think I was harmful and hurtful. I've been better, but even like coming up, I'm almost eighteen years clean and sober. Even in those eighteen years, I've, you know, I've had a bad temper of like, you know, whatever.

• 2:25:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:17Speaker 03

  You know, overly and.

• 2:25:18Joe Rogan?

  You're a human being, man.

• 2:25:19Speaker 03

  Right. The trajectory of my life, I believe, has been much like it's upward improvement, which I'm really grateful for. But when I hear about the, these accounts, when people describing the life of you, I think, oh my God, I gotta.

• 2:25:35Joe Rogan?

  You're worried about a comment section in heaven. That's literally what you're sitting here tweaking out about.

• 2:25:40Speaker 03

  Little bit, like a little bit, like I, you know, I view the remainder of my life as an opportunity, like a big gigantic opportunity to stack the good and, you know, like, but just be more.

• 2:25:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's good.

• 2:25:54Speaker 03

  So I'll just go around.

• 2:25:55Joe Rogan?

  Look, anything that gives you motivation to be a good person is great.

• 2:25:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:25:58Joe Rogan?

  That's great, if that's how you have to do it.

• 2:26:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'll keep like a big fucking wad of cash in, in my pocket so I can just give twenty bucks to every Uber driver, every homeless person, like, you know, and I think like, yeah, maybe that's just selfishly, I want to have a better life review.

• 2:26:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, if selfishly wanting to have a better life review makes you be a nicer person, then it's worth it.

• 2:26:23Speaker 03

  A hundred percent.

• 2:26:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:25Speaker 03

  I care about that so much.

• 2:26:27Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:26:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:28Joe Rogan?

  So you're in your own head a lot, huh?

• 2:26:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a pretty gnarly.

• 2:26:31Joe Rogan?

  Do you have anything else you do that like wears you out? Do you do anything physical? Do you do like hard workouts that like drain you of anxiety?

• 2:26:38Speaker 03

  I do, you know, I do yoga every day for thirty minutes.

• 2:26:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's good.

• 2:26:44Speaker 03

  And I got the perfect pushups. You ever do those?

• 2:26:48Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:26:49Speaker 03

  I just got this killer strength machine in, at my house in Tennessee that I haven't been to in fucking two months.

• 2:26:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for a lot of people, that's a relief from anxieties, like hard workouts.

• 2:27:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:27:01Joe Rogan?

  Like this, cause. Look, there's benefits to having regret because you course correct and you become better. But after a while, you can't be thinking about it all the fucking time. Because then what you're doing, you're addicted to self-analysis.

• 2:27:15Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:27:16Joe Rogan?

  And there's a lot of people out there addicted to self-analysis. There's a lot of people that love going to therapy so they can talk about themselves and talk about their feelings. And some of that is really good for you and some of that is very beneficial because you could develop tools that can help you manage your life. But there's also people that are just narcissists and just like going to a place where it's all about them for an hour, you know? And this is, this is a problem with self-analysis and living in your own head. Is that, you gotta get outside of your head. Like, this is the benefit of psychedelics. They get you outside your head. And, you know, and in living in that whole, what does everybody think about me? Let me check. Oh, what do I do? Oh, my bad eye. Ha, ha, ha, ha.

• 2:28:00Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:28:01Joe Rogan?

  Not good for you, man. And not, it's, it's not just, it's not productive. Like, it doesn't allow you to do the things that you want to do in life efficiently and effectively.

• 2:28:11Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 2:28:12Joe Rogan?

  What is it saying to you? Serious listening in? Why do you have that thing? Get rid of those fucking watches. Those are ridiculous. Watches tell you the fucking time. That's it. Should be reading emails too. You have a phone. Stop. Stop with all this shit that you carry around with you.

• 2:28:26Speaker 03

  Right. I feel like you're seeing right through me, Joe. Like, I, I do, my, my head is very fucking mean to me.

• 2:28:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, it also could be the kind of people you surround yourself with. You know, if you're around other people that think more along the lines of, look, you gotta have radical self-forgiveness for your past, you gotta let it go, you're not a loser from, you're not the guy who got stuffed into a locker in high school. Okay, you gotta let that go. And it's hard for people. There's people that were so bullied in high school that they will go to high school as a fucking grown man with children and they will get anxiety and panic. In that same high school. Because they still associate themselves with who they were back then. And, you know, at a certain point in time, you have to, you have to move on. You know, you have to let it go.

• 2:29:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:29:15Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's good to recognize your flaws and want to improve upon them. Up to a point, and then you gotta concentrate on what you're doing and what you enjoy doing and just doing a good job at everything that you do. And one of the things that prevents you from doing a good job at everything you do is constantly being in your own head.

• 2:29:33Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:29:34Joe Rogan?

  It can get in the way.

• 2:29:35Speaker 03

  Yep. You know, I got this, um, I moved out to Tennessee, I got this big property.

• 2:29:41Joe Rogan?

  You got Nashville?

• 2:29:42Speaker 03

  Forty-five minutes north of Nashville.

• 2:29:45Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so you're out in the woods.

• 2:29:46Speaker 03

  I'm out in the woods, yeah, all the, you know, fancy, like.

• 2:29:50Joe Rogan?

  Do you ever hear yee-haw in the middle of the night and get worried, hear shotguns in the distance?

• 2:29:54Speaker 03

  No, but I've got these great neighbors, man, like, uh.

• 2:29:58Joe Rogan?

  You get lucky.

• 2:29:59Speaker 03

  My neighbors are so awesome, man, like, I got the place in September twenty twenty-three, so I've been out.

• 2:30:06Joe Rogan?

  How did you choose, uh, that area?

• 2:30:08Speaker 03

  You know what it was, like, um, I got the, um, I, I, I started hearing about people getting notifications from their insurance companies in L.A. that their homeowner's policy wouldn't be renewed because of the risk of fires. And I was like, dude, I live in the Hollywood Hills, like, my, it's just a fucking exercise in waiting for my house to burn down. Like, I've got this fucking house is uninsurable, you know? And like, I was like, man, I don't wanna be waiting for my house to burn down. I wanted, and, and I wanted to have a bunch of land so I can open up an animal sanctuary. You know, that's my deal.

• 2:30:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 2:30:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I knew that I wanted to, to get a place outside of California. And, um, who was, it was, it was supposed to be Corey Seaman Hagan against Islam in Nashville, Tennessee, and I was like, oh, my fuck.

• 2:31:01Joe Rogan?

  They're in different weight classes.

• 2:31:03Speaker 03

  Oh, okay, wait, no, no, no, no, okay, yeah, not Islam.

• 2:31:06Joe Rogan?

  Umar, Umar Namer.

• 2:31:08Speaker 03

  Umar, yeah, Umar, yeah, yeah, thank you, um.

• 2:31:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, good, good catch. Uh, it was supposed to be Umar, like, uh, I was like, oh my god, I gotta be there. Fucking so excited. It ended up being Corey Seaman Hagan against Rob Font. Because Umar backed out somehow or other.

• 2:31:24Joe Rogan?

  Probably got injured.

• 2:31:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:31:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:26Speaker 03

  Um, so, I'm like, alright, we're fucking going out to, so I decided that I'm gonna go look at properties in, in Tennessee, just for a weekend, and you just, the only motivation was to go for the fights.

• 2:31:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:31:42Speaker 03

  Cause I fucking love the UFC, man.

• 2:31:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 2:31:44Speaker 03

  I love the UFC, so I went out there.

• 2:31:46Joe Rogan?

  Good one this weekend coming up.

• 2:31:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, right, the BMF.

• 2:31:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that should be exciting. Max Holloway versus Charles Olivera. That is a great fight.

• 2:31:55Speaker 03

  And do the whole fucking card.

• 2:31:57Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:31:57Speaker 03

  And all the way down the prelims. Like, get the fuck out of here. Some of the names on the prelims. Yeah, so I, I looked at properties, we went down like, and all around, and when I got to this one, forty-four acres, house with the fucking, uh, additional dwelling unit, like apartment on the garage, like, and this trail that goes through the woods in a perfect one-mile loop. They drove us around that trail, I was like, I got it.

• 2:32:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 2:32:24Speaker 03

  I'm like, this place, like, they can get me for, cause I have to have it. You know, like, they, like, they, they're just gonna...

• 2:32:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's good for a guy like you, like, that's probably a great thing to have too, is just get some peace, some quiet.

• 2:32:37Speaker 03

  When I, when I got out there, I was like, oh my god, I'm not like chewing on my lip, I'm not, like, I can, I can, I can breathe. Now the problem is that I'm, I'm not there very much, because I'm always fucking touring and working and chasing and grinding.

• 2:32:51Joe Rogan?

  That's, the touring and working is a gift, you know? You have the ability to do that. It's way better than wishing you could be touring and working.

• 2:32:57Speaker 03

  Right. I mean, that's how, that's how it was when, uh, when I started doing comedy. So I got sober in two thousand eight, right? Up to that, I was, I was thirty-three, and up to that point, I never thought I was gonna fucking make it to thirty, you know? Like, I was just like, it's just...

• 2:33:15Joe Rogan?

  You were chaos.

• 2:33:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was like, literally just never even imagined, like, I wasn't worried about saving money, I wasn't worried about, like, it was just, ah, I'm gonna be dead.

• 2:33:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:33:24Speaker 03

  And then all of a sudden I got clean and sober, and it's like... Wow, now I'm ceasing to like actively kill myself. I'm starting to take care of myself. Maybe I'm gonna be alive for decades to come.

• 2:33:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:33:40Speaker 03

  And like, holy shit, like 2008, like whatever I had saved at that time was just you know, like, and I'm like, how am I gonna fucking eat? If I'm gonna be alive, if I'm only like less than halfway through my life, I burned every bridge in my career and you know, they're telling me that if I wanna like be, uh, you know, clean and sober and have any kind of a good life, I've gotta deflate my ego, I've gotta practice spiritual principles. How the fuck am I supposed to be Steve-O? Advocate with a deflated ego and on a spiritual path? I didn't know if I could continue to have any kind of a career as I knew it. So now I'm like, how am I gonna eat?

• 2:34:21Speaker 03

  You know, like my savings just got blasted and I start doing comedy. Going to the Laugh Factory, like they'd give you like 20 bucks, you know, like sign here and they'd be like 20 bucks. And then like, uh, when the Jackass 3D came out, I went on the Howard Stern Show and I'm like, Howard, I've been in the comedy club every night, I'm having a blast. And just by saying that on Howard Stern, my lawyer called me up like in the next week or so. He says, I've got comedy clubs all over the country calling, trying to book you, like, what's this about? And they're offering like all this money. I'm like, wait, you can make what? You can make that much money like going to a fucking comedy club for a weekend?

• 2:35:01Speaker 03

  Like, holy shit. I'm like, I gotta fucking figure out how I'm gonna eat for the next, you know, 50 years maybe. So I just fucking started grinding, dude.

• 2:35:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we've talked about this.

• 2:35:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:35:12Joe Rogan?

  It's, um, you know, I think that anybody who wants to do comedy should do comedy. And there's a weird thing that happens with comedy where it's like, there's a lot of gatekeepers, like, oh, what is he doing doing comedy?

• 2:35:23Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:35:24Joe Rogan?

  Which I think is gross. But, uh, yeah, I mean, I'm glad you found something else, but it's just being yourself, you know?

• 2:35:30Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 2:35:31Joe Rogan?

  You could still be on a spiritual path and still do anything.

• 2:35:34Speaker 03

  A hundred percent, I figured that out. I figured that out completely. And I think that the, the point being that I like that in 2011, like, Jesus, man, like I'd have been.

• 2:35:46Speaker 03

  You know, fifty-two weeks of the year, like, no way that I wasn't like, full-on fucking engagement for like forty-five weeks of that year, you know?

• 2:35:57Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 2:35:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, and, and just by doing it that much, like, the repetition, it's like, oh, okay, now, like, I'm developing a craft.

• 2:36:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if you care about it, if you care about it and you get into it, you get better at it.

• 2:36:09Speaker 03

  Dude, I care so much.

• 2:36:09Joe Rogan?

  But it's harder for a guy like you that's already famous to start out, because, you know, some people, they're already famous, like, I went on the road with Charlie Murphy when he was doing that, and it was like, the ballsiest thing ever. Like, Charlie was famous for being on The Chappelle Show and then starting out doing comedy. When I went on the road with him, I think he'd only been doing comedy like, two years at the time. I'm like, man, this is such a ballsy thing to do, because you're, there's so many expectations of you. A, you're Eddie Murphy's brother, which is nuts. You say you're a brother of one of the greatest of all time, and then on top of that, you're already famous from one of the funniest comedy shows of all time, and you're a beginner.

• 2:36:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:36:49Joe Rogan?

  Which is wild, you know?

• 2:36:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's a blessing and a curse.

• 2:36:53Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:36:54Speaker 03

  Because you can sell tickets, because people know you, they wanna see you.

• 2:36:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:58Speaker 03

  But you're a...

• 2:36:58Joe Rogan?

  A lot of guys, they get together with other people that can help them, you know, formulate an act, maybe help them write, help them piece together, like, maybe if they're not even writing for you, at least they can help you consolidate your thoughts and, you know,

• 2:37:10Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:37:11Joe Rogan?

  Put together some, like, if you're smart, that's the way to do it, like, hire some people that can help you.

• 2:37:15Speaker 03

  I've never been able to have people write for me.

• 2:37:17Joe Rogan?

  Uh, that it's not, it's not necessary, you don't have to, but it's, it's a good idea for, like, you're a little bit different than a traditional stand-up comic, though. You have stand-up comedy, but you also do multimedia stuff and stunts and silly things. For, for people that just, like, Charlie was just doing comedy.

• 2:37:34Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:37:35Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:37:35Speaker 03

  I started out doing that. I would do like, a, a set of stand-up, and then I would have like, a set of sort of repeatable stunts and tricks at the end.

• 2:37:43Joe Rogan?

  Right, this, this is not like, laugh actor, when you're one of the people on the lineup.

• 2:37:48Speaker 03

  Right, right, right, right.

• 2:37:48Joe Rogan?

  This is when you're doing your own shows, yeah.

• 2:37:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's how the tour began.

• 2:37:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's awesome, man.

• 2:37:53Speaker 03

  But yeah, dude, I'm just fucking stoked.

• 2:37:55Joe Rogan?

  You're in a good place, you just gotta get out of your own head.

• 2:37:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, my head terrorizes me a lot.

• 2:37:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta get out of your own head and probably surround yourself more with people that also are not in their own head.

• 2:38:05Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:38:06Joe Rogan?

  You know, because that shit's contagious. Just like being a loser is contagious. Like if you're, if you're around people that are losers, like that shit can rub off on you. You're around people that sabotage their life all the time, you're with them, like, ugh, then you're wrapped up in their shit and you're, not only are you not progressing, you're regressing, you're, cause you're like constantly with this guy who's like fucking his life up all the time.

• 2:38:26Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:38:26Joe Rogan?

  Real, you know, some people have to cut ties. Just try to surround yourself with, uh, people from your yoga class. Like, go to, go to a solid yoga class and find solid people. Like, just, that is one of, like, be the type of person that solid people wanna be around, but also find those people too.

• 2:38:46Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:38:47Joe Rogan?

  And both of those things will benefit you. Cause if you're in your own head, you're around other people that are like worried about their career too, and they're in their own head, and they're freaking out about their comments, and you're freaking out about your comments, like, jeez.

• 2:38:59Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:38:59Joe Rogan?

  Stop, this is not good for anybody.

• 2:39:02Speaker 03

  Yep. Yeah, and it's, it's helpful too to look at the facts. You know, like, whatever I've been through, whatever, like, uh,

• 2:39:12Joe Rogan?

  But even that is thinking about yourself too much. Think about your stuff. Think about your, what you're doing. Don't think about like, I've accomplished so much and this is why I don't have to worry, like, eh. That don't, you don't get any, there's no gas in that.

• 2:39:25Speaker 03

  I don't know that that's what I meant, but like, what I've been going through over the last few weeks I was telling you about. Didn't change the fact that, like, uh, our jackass movies, fucking full bore, full force.

• 2:39:37Joe Rogan?

  There you go. Doesn't change the fact you have a dick on your forehead.

• 2:39:39Speaker 03

  Doesn't change that. Yeah, like, no, nobody has, uh, nobody who matters to me has voiced any concern about any of it.

• 2:39:49Joe Rogan?

  That's all that matters, then. It's the people that are close to you that really matter. It's just like,

• 2:39:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:39:53Joe Rogan?

  You're just a little too in your own head, bro. I hope this helped.

• 2:39:56Speaker 03

  I, it, you know, I really fucking did.

• 2:40:00Joe Rogan?

  You're a good dude, man. You shouldn't be worried.

• 2:40:02Speaker 03

  I care.

• 2:40:03Joe Rogan?

  I know you do, but it's the reason why you care is because you're a good dude. But your brain can hijack you. You know, your thoughts can ru- your thoughts can run away with you. I mean, we've all had it happen before.

• 2:40:18Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:40:18Joe Rogan?

  You get a thought, it runs away with you, and then you gotta bring it back, but you gotta get better at corralling that bitch. You know, it's like being a dog trainer. You can't have your dog shitting all over your house, chewing up your furniture. You're like, hey, hey! Stop. Doesn't mean you don't love your dog. It's like you don't want him shitting on your couch. Like, tell him not to do that. Be a good dog trainer. Be a good Steve-O trainer. Like, don't let Steve-O's brain run away from him and piss on the TV. That's crazy. You know what I mean? Same kinda thing. You gotta train yourself.

• 2:40:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:40:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:51Speaker 03

  I think that that's perfectly fair, man, and I'm super grateful for you, brother.

• 2:40:56Joe Rogan?

  I'm grateful for you too. Like I said, I just hate seeing you in your own head, because you're a great guy. You're fun to be around. You're always very thoughtful and very friendly and... Don't worry about it, man. It's gonna be alright.

• 2:41:06Speaker 03

  Well, thank you, dude.

• 2:41:07Joe Rogan?

  And then you're gonna come back as a butterfly or some shit.

• 2:41:11Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:41:12Joe Rogan?

  Maybe you'll come back as a World War II pilot. Maybe you go back in time. That'd be wild. You have memories of the future.

• 2:41:17Speaker 03

  I haven't heard about that.

• 2:41:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's because if reincarnation, if time's not linear. If time exists all at once, like, maybe reincarnation is not linear either. Maybe there's people that die and then they have messages from the future. You know?

• 2:41:33Speaker 03

  I mean, that's the whole-

• 2:41:34Joe Rogan?

  Imagine, you're in the trenches of World War I, you're like, are you fucking kidding me? I used to have an iPhone, I had a watch that was, my dad was calling me on it.

• 2:41:41Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:41:42Joe Rogan?

  This is so stupid. Now I'm worried about getting eaten by wolves in this fucking trench.

• 2:41:46Speaker 03

  Right. I mean, the idea of quantum physics, quantum mechanics, like, all- All possible realities all exist, all in one moment.

• 2:42:00Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly. I don't understand it. I've tried.

• 2:42:04Speaker 03

  How's Marshall?

• 2:42:05Joe Rogan?

  He's great. He's great.

• 2:42:06Speaker 03

  How old is Marshall now?

• 2:42:07Joe Rogan?

  He's nine.

• 2:42:08Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 2:42:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it makes me sad that I worried that he's only gonna live for a few more years.

• 2:42:13Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:42:14Joe Rogan?

  That's what's spooky. Goldens, when they eat well and they're well fed, they could live like fifteen, sixteen years. I just gotta take care of them. It's just like, it's just like thinking about him not being around, it's like, it's really hard. Like, we were playing today, and I'd take him in the yard, throw the ball with him, and we're hanging out and cuddling, and I just can't imagine a life where that dog's not around, you know? Like, he's, he's just a big love sponge. You know, he loves everybody. Everybody that comes over to the house, the first thing he does, he runs up to you, he wracks his tail, he rubs up against you, and then he lies down, because he knows you want to pet his belly. He's like, "Come on, you know you want to pet me." He's just so used to being touched by everybody.

• 2:42:54Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:42:55Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's his existence, is just love.

• 2:42:57Speaker 03

  I was in Peru in 2017 with Chuck Liddell. We were doing this uh-

• 2:43:04Joe Rogan?

  We found that dog?

• 2:43:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:43:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:06Speaker 03

  Yep. That uh, I still have Wendy.

• 2:43:09Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome. That's awesome.

• 2:43:11Speaker 03

  She's uh, at this point, like, eleven.

• 2:43:14Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:43:15Speaker 03

  And she's slowing down.

• 2:43:16Joe Rogan?

  It's like, dogs, it's so sad. They don't live long enough.

• 2:43:20Speaker 03

  I know.

• 2:43:21Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:43:21Speaker 03

  But dude, since Wendy's now retired, uh, living on my ranch in Tennessee.

• 2:43:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's cool.

• 2:43:27Speaker 03

  And she has become the gnarliest country girl. Like, she'll just go out on the, on the property, and come back with like a fucking gnarly deer leg.

• 2:43:38Joe Rogan?

  That she found in the woods, yeah.

• 2:43:40Speaker 03

  And she just sits there.

• 2:43:41Joe Rogan?

  That's normal. That's dog behavior.

• 2:43:43Speaker 03

  And I've got this ranch cat that uh, I'm pretty sure, like, he goes out there and like hunts squirrels or whatever, like rodents.

• 2:43:51Joe Rogan?

  Probably kills a lot of birds.

• 2:43:53Speaker 03

  And then he brings them to Wendy. Because I was trying to figure out, why is Wendy getting so fucking fat? I'm like, telling my ranch hand, I'm like, "Dude, we gotta like not feed Wendy so much. She's like kinda fucking getting fat." So he's like, "Dude, I've been like feeding her less, but she just seems to still be getting fucking fat." And we find her like, she cruises up with like just some big ass rodent. And I, and-

• 2:44:14Joe Rogan?

  Then she's gonna kiss you with rat asshole breath.

• 2:44:18Speaker 03

  Just crunching it. I watched her house a whole fucking squirrel to the face, and just swallow the whole fucking thing.

• 2:44:27Speaker 03

  And I know that she's- Her old fat ass wasn't fast enough to catch a squirrel. The only way is it's gotta be the cats killing it and giving it to her.

• 2:44:35Joe Rogan?

  So the cat killed the squirrel and it's like, hey, friend, I got something for you. Cause cats just wanna kill.

• 2:44:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:44:41Joe Rogan?

  They kill so much, man. Wild, if you let a cat go wild, you basically, you wanna do harm, let a cat go loose. That'll kill thousands and thousands of things. I saw a cat the other day on a ranch. It was really wild. I turned a corner and I saw it right as this cat pounced. So this cat was in the grass and it was doing that thing where their back goes up and their butt starts wiggling and just flew through the air and landed. I'm like, how happy is this fucking cat living out here? Like just being able to jack all these poor little unsuspecting animals all day long. That's what they wanna do, man.

• 2:45:17Speaker 03

  The guy I bought the property from, he said, you will never see a fucking mouse, a fucking rat. He's like, this cat, cause we inherited the cat, Rocky.

• 2:45:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 2:45:26Speaker 03

  He's like, this cat takes his job fucking seriously.

• 2:45:29Joe Rogan?

  It's way better than having mice around, that's for sure. But they, they are mass murderers.

• 2:45:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:45:35Joe Rogan?

  Do you know that like house cats, wild house cats, feral cats kill billions of mammals every year, just in America? Billions.

• 2:45:44Speaker 03

  Feral house cats?

• 2:45:46Joe Rogan?

  Wild cats.

• 2:45:47Speaker 03

  Right, right, right, right.

• 2:45:47Joe Rogan?

  Cats that get left outside.

• 2:45:49Speaker 03

  Regular old cats.

• 2:45:50Joe Rogan?

  Regular cats, not like cougars.

• 2:45:52Speaker 03

  And they kill billions of.

• 2:45:53Joe Rogan?

  Billions of birds and mammals. B I, billions. Billions.

• 2:45:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:45:58Joe Rogan?

  They are so good at it. They love to do it. I used to have this like fluffy, she was like, uh, I forget what they're called, the kinda cat she was, but she was just a ball fluff. Like she would just purr when you pet her and like, that little bitch was a murderer. I let her outside and she'd have a bird, I'm like, this is crazy. Jump up and snag a bird out of the air, I'm like, huh. There, and they would, she would sit by the window and she'd see a squirrel outside and her teeth would start chattering.

• 2:46:27Joe Rogan?

  She just couldn't wait to bite it.

• 2:46:31Joe Rogan?

  Make these weird noises staring at birds and squirrels like it's just in them, man.

• 2:46:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:46:36Joe Rogan?

  They're little killing machines.

• 2:46:38Speaker 03

  Yep. I got a fucking, I got, I'm gonna have so many fucking animals.

• 2:46:44Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 2:46:45Speaker 03

  Planets, pigs and goats and cats and dogs.

• 2:46:47Joe Rogan?

  That's dope dude. That's, that sounds like a great life. And a great balance to the chaos that you had when you were younger. And also a great balance to touring, right?

• 2:46:56Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:46:56Joe Rogan?

  Touring in all these cities, you come back home, tweet tweet tweet tweet.

• 2:47:00Speaker 03

  Oh dude, I love it so much, man. And it's a, um, it's all set up. It's an official 501(c)(3) nonprofit animal sanctuary.

• 2:47:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so you could take in animals? Like if someone has a dog that's been abandoned or a goat that they can't take care of anymore? Oh, that's cool.

• 2:47:17Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:47:17Joe Rogan?

  That sounds really cool, man.

• 2:47:18Speaker 03

  It's called the Radical Ranch.

• 2:47:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. And, and the website's radicalranch.org.

• 2:47:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you have a website?

• 2:47:26Speaker 03

  Just went live like last month.

• 2:47:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, cool.

• 2:47:29Speaker 03

  Like a month, like a, in January it went, it went live. So, uh, yeah, like people can fucking donate or whatever. See all the animals on there. It's pretty, it's pretty rad.

• 2:47:39Joe Rogan?

  That's dope, brother. There it is.

• 2:47:41Speaker 03

  There it is.

• 2:47:42Joe Rogan?

  Radical Ranch.

• 2:47:43Speaker 03

  There's Wendy.

• 2:47:43Joe Rogan?

  Aw, look at all those little animals. Having a good time.

• 2:47:46Speaker 03

  Believe it or not, that's Photoshop.

• 2:47:49Joe Rogan?

  Is it?

• 2:47:50Speaker 03

  You're not getting all those animals in one.

• 2:47:52Joe Rogan?

  That's Photoshop?

• 2:47:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:47:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay. That's deceptive. How dare you?

• 2:47:56Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, I wanted to.

• 2:47:57Joe Rogan?

  You're having a party, just like a Disney movie.

• 2:47:59Speaker 03

  I wanted to have all the animals in one shot and, uh, yeah.

• 2:48:03Joe Rogan?

  Actually makes sense. Otherwise I was like, why didn't that dog chase those goat? Why is the goat dealing with the dog being right there?

• 2:48:09Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:48:10Joe Rogan?

  Alright, brother. Well, appreciate you very much.

• 2:48:13Speaker 03

  Dude, likewise, man.

• 2:48:14Joe Rogan?

  It's always good to talk to you.

• 2:48:15Speaker 03

  Yeah. I had like, and I try to like be pretty sparing if I'm gonna hit you up. I try to make sure that I, that it.

• 2:48:22Joe Rogan?

  Don't worry about it, man. Just, just be you. Don't worry about it.

• 2:48:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, dude.

• 2:48:26Joe Rogan?

  It's all gonna be fun.

• 2:48:27Speaker 03

  I, uh, I appreciate you so much.

• 2:48:28Joe Rogan?

  Appreciate you too, brother.

• 2:48:29Speaker 03

  This was fucking important for me, dude.

• 2:48:32Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure. Alright. Uh, bye everybody.

• 2:48:49Joe Rogan?

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