TBT: Jeffree Star

Y'all might not be ready for this one. The iconic Jeffree Star drops in this week to talk his truth on everything from the state of social media, how he built an iconic brand from nothing, what really happened to the beauty influencer community, and why he fled from LA to a yak ranch in Wyoming. He talks about what's next in his world domination, from embracing the new generation of TikTok to opening a store that sells makeup and meat. Watch Full Episodes & More: www.dumbblondeunrated.com

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• 0:00Bunnie XO?

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• 1:01Bunnie XO?

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• 1:28Speaker 02

  Bonnie, who used to be a former sex worker and now hosts the podcast Dumb Blonde.

• 1:33Bunnie XO?

  Most little girls grow up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and shit, and I was like, I want to be super hot, make a lot of fucking money, and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as a child, and here we are.

• 1:43Bunnie XO?

  What's up, you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another podcast. Today, I have the enigma, the social media enigma, the queen of queens.

• 1:56Speaker 03

  Hi.

• 1:56Bunnie XO?

  Jeffrey Star, baby.

• 1:58Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:59Bunnie XO?

  Dude, this has been a long time coming.

• 2:01Speaker 03

  It really has.

• 2:02Bunnie XO?

  I'm so happy you're here.

• 2:03Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me.

• 2:04Bunnie XO?

  Who the fuck would have known that Montana would bring us together?

• 2:07Speaker 03

  I know. So we're literally in Bozeman, Montana. We're backstage.

• 2:10Bunnie XO?

  In a locker room.

• 2:11Speaker 03

  We are, we're in a locker room. The glory holes are behind me. We are meeting for the first time today. We've been talking all year. And life finally brought us together, so thank you for having me.

• 2:23Bunnie XO?

  And it's crazy because we did have a mutual friend who just passed away, Daniel.

• 2:29Bunnie XO?

  Loved you so much, dude. He told me.

• 2:32Speaker 03

  You met him and I like, and hung out with him for so long and I never met you.

• 2:37Bunnie XO?

  I never got to meet Daniel. We were literally online friends for like ten years.

• 2:42Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. I thought you guys partied in Vegas back in the day as well.

• 2:44Bunnie XO?

  Nope, nope, nope. Just what we grew up around the same circle. He had the same friends I did. Like, we never got to actually meet. But we literally talked all the time online. Like, it was crazy. I just loved that. I loved him, dude. He was just such a good soul. So I just feel like this was like Daniel's doing, possibly, like pushing us together.

• 3:03Speaker 03

  That's beautiful.

• 3:04Bunnie XO?

  I have seen so many podcasts of you and I feel like.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  Did you notice how I was like silent for a long time and then I just, you know, it was like, you know what? It's time to talk.

• 3:14Bunnie XO?

  What, what, what brought that on? Like?

• 3:16Speaker 03

  I think during twenty twenty and like during the pandemic, like I had such a crazy trajectory and then the pandemic and so much online drama like exploded. So I moved to Wyoming, I went to therapy, I really worked on myself. And I was like, you know what? I want to share that journey, not just all the dramatic, chaotic, you know, shit and just makeup stuff only. I wanted to share how I healed.

• 3:39Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 3:40Speaker 03

  Let people see like who I am now, you know? So I started doing a podcast.

• 3:44Bunnie XO?

  Is amazing.

• 3:44Speaker 03

  And thank you. And a lot of males fixate on sex every time I'm on their podcast. We all know I'm never gonna fully kiss and tell.

• 3:54Bunnie XO?

  I love that about you because I'm the same way. I was a hooker in Vegas. So I'm never gonna kiss and tell the celebrities that fucking.

• 4:00Speaker 03

  What do you get when you put two escorts together?

• 4:04Bunnie XO?

  Jeffrey and Bunny.

• 4:06Speaker 03

  So a lot of people don't know that I used to be the queen of Craigslist in LA. I used to make so much money during the MySpace era.

• 4:13Bunnie XO?

  Oh, yeah, for sure. So when you say queen of Craigslist, were you, you mean like putting like ads on there and stuff or like to do?

• 4:20Speaker 03

  Yep. And I, and I recently found some old ads in my old account. Cause I am writing an autobiography finally.

• 4:25Bunnie XO?

  That's brave, because Craigslist and Backpage, man, you literally like.

• 4:29Speaker 03

  Oh, I miss Backpage.

• 4:31Bunnie XO?

  You were literally risking your life to be on those. I did Eros. I was an Eros girl. So I literally would post my ads and then, you know, screen them. And then sometimes I would work for the services in Vegas and stuff like that. But.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  And networking. We're in big cities. So it's like, people think like, they think we're like at the the street corner with no teeth with our thumb out.

• 4:50Bunnie XO?

  There's levels to this shit.

• 4:51Speaker 03

  Levels.

• 4:51Bunnie XO?

  I try to explain that to people all the time and nobody gets it.

• 4:54Speaker 03

  And then you you start networking and meeting people. So I'm this broke kid. I moved out at seventeen. I was like, fuck you to my mother.

• 5:00Bunnie XO?

  Let's rewind that really quick.

• 5:01Speaker 03

  Let's rewind it. Then we'll get to the head and the and the bottoming.

• 5:06Bunnie XO?

  So I want to rewind it back because you remind me so much of myself. We have been through a lot of shit. We mask it with dirty jokes and.

• 5:16Speaker 03

  And humor.

• 5:17Bunnie XO?

  And humor, very dark humor. And, you know, going through the stuff that you've gone through, I don't, I'm pretty sure, you know, half of my following probably does know your story, but I'm sure the other half doesn't. And I think that that really is an epic part of your journey because it's showing overcoming.

• 5:36Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 5:36Bunnie XO?

  So.

• 5:37Speaker 03

  We're survivors.

• 5:38Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, exactly. Yes, for sure. So, growing up, you grew up in.

• 5:43Speaker 03

  Orange County, California. So I'm from Huntington Beach, seven one four. And it was really boring growing up. Like, it was just, everyone was like surfing and skating and I just never really felt like I fit in. I was very punk rock. I had, I was the first person to have like pink hair dye at my school. And I just tried to break all the barriers without really knowing it. I was just like, well, I'm gonna be me and I'm gonna be myself. Um, and for some reason, I got over the part where you care what other people think.

• 6:10Bunnie XO?

  At an early age.

• 6:10Speaker 03

  At an early age, I think, because my childhood was so chaotic. My parents were drunk my whole life. And that, so people don't know this. Well, some people do, but I've never tried alcohol.

• 6:19Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 6:19Speaker 03

  And I think people sometimes have a hard time believing that. Because, you know, we all, we always used to post pictures with stuff.

• 6:24Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 6:25Speaker 03

  So there's photos of me with like a whiskey bottle. I'm like, yeah, it's all for show.

• 6:28Bunnie XO?

  Sponsorships too.

• 6:29Speaker 03

  It's literally all for show. So, you know, people always dig things out of the ashes, but I've never tried alcohol. I never will. Uh, my dad died when I was five, so he drank himself to death. He killed himself and he was just really miserable and.

• 6:42Bunnie XO?

  Did he commit suicide or did he die from cirrhosis?

• 6:45Speaker 03

  Uh, it's like a, it's like a tricky line.

• 6:48Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 6:49Speaker 03

  But suicide.

• 6:50Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 6:50Speaker 03

  Yeah. So he was like on the brink and was like, okay, I'm finally done. So the last time I remember seeing him, his skin was yellow, his eyebrows were falling out. He looked horrific and he grabbed me by the arm and I was five and a half and he was like, please don't ever drink. Like it's ruined our family. And that was my last memory of my dad.

• 7:07Bunnie XO?

  That was his blessing to you.

• 7:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was wild. Yeah.

• 7:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, my mom did that to me when she.

• 7:11Speaker 03

  Spiraled and obviously got worse.

• 7:13Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 7:13Speaker 03

  So she would drink, recycle the beer cans to get more alcohol and just had a string of really annoying boyfriends. No one ever like abusive or crazy, but just always fighting. She never fell in love again. She was literally in love with my dad. And it didn't work out because his, he couldn't stop drinking. That was what ruined the marriage.

• 7:32Bunnie XO?

  What, when you're five years old and your father passes away, how are you feeling? Like, do you remember any of it?

• 7:39Speaker 03

  I do. I remember my mom telling me like a, a week or two after I saw him, she took me to the same park. And she goes, hey, like she tried to explain to me like my dad died and she always likes to say this. I literally like blinked, immediately put all the trauma away and was like, okay, um, can we get some more ice cream?

• 7:59Bunnie XO?

  So you knew just growing up in chaos that it was better to just push it down instead of react?

• 8:04Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 8:05Bunnie XO?

  It had to.

• 8:06Speaker 03

  Which was horrible for me later when all the like emotions and traumas and demons were coming out. And I'm in high school, my whole body's a cutting board.

• 8:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 8:14Speaker 03

  I'm like fully and like a, you know, secret one, not like, I want attention. Like, you know, it's.

• 8:19Bunnie XO?

  I feel like back in the day, mental health was not talked about.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  No one talked about it.

• 8:23Bunnie XO?

  Like how it is now.

• 8:24Speaker 03

  And, and Cookie Cutter, Orange County, no one was talking about feelings.

• 8:27Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 8:28Speaker 03

  It's like get the fuck over it. You know, everyone's, all the husbands are cheating on the wives, all the, you know, everyone's getting beat. All these crazy things are happening and it's just swept under the rug. And it's like the Real Housewives of Orange County.

• 8:38Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. Yeah, I know. It really is. The West Coast is a different beast. People don't understand that unless you've grown up on the West Coast. It's completely different way of thinking and way of living as like, you know, fucking Montana or fucking Wyoming.

• 8:50Speaker 03

  So I didn't untrain this behavior until probably like six years ago.

• 8:55Bunnie XO?

  When you were cutting, was that your way of just kind of like relieving the pain and did your mom know?

• 9:02Speaker 03

  She didn't know for years and then I slipped up and got comfortable and she saw it for the first time.

• 9:08Bunnie XO?

  Was it on your arms? Is that why?

• 9:11Speaker 03

  It was everywhere, but I would wear like heavy clothes all the time. It would be ninety degrees, but I was Gothic and my style was very punk rock. So no one ever questioned it.

• 9:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 9:21Speaker 03

  You know, it would be like I would, I had photography class and I would go in the dark room and cut my legs and then come back out and no one ever knew, like crazy stuff like that.

• 9:28Bunnie XO?

  You're just hurting so bad.

• 9:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. So I felt like it helped me feel a little bit because I felt so numb and like dead inside, but I never wanted to kill myself.

• 9:37Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 9:38Speaker 03

  I never had thoughts.

• 9:39Bunnie XO?

  Well, because your dad passed away that way. So possibly that was like.

• 9:43Speaker 03

  So I never had the thoughts of like, I want to end my life, but I was doing it to just feel something.

• 9:48Bunnie XO?

  Right. I understand that.

• 9:50Speaker 03

  And then it became like an addiction.

• 9:52Bunnie XO?

  Well, you get addicted to the pain because it's the only time that you actually.

• 9:56Speaker 03

  It was really fucked up is I was also addicted to watching it heal.

• 10:01Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 10:02Speaker 03

  It was like, yeah. Hi, nice to meet you.

• 10:06Bunnie XO?

  Don't start joking.

• 10:08Speaker 03

  No, yeah, it was, it was really like, yeah, it was that serious.

• 10:12Bunnie XO?

  That's so much trauma to go through at such a young age. When did you start cutting?

• 10:15Speaker 03

  I would say like ninth grade and then I stopped when I graduated high school and I broke away. But my mom did catch me. So we're in this little apartment and she always made me do chores, single mother, only child, and I'm a Scorpio. It's a lot there.

• 10:31Bunnie XO?

  I think you might have a lot of Capricorn. Cap and Sag.

• 10:34Speaker 03

  A lot of Sag.

• 10:35Bunnie XO?

  I want to do your birth chart. Have you done your birth chart? What is it?

• 10:38Speaker 03

  It's stunning. I'll show you later.

• 10:40Bunnie XO?

  He's like, I'm not showing anybody online.

• 10:42Speaker 03

  That's stunning. So she caught me when I was doing the dishes. She always made me do chores and clean the bathroom and have manners and la la la. And I was a straight A student. She said, you can look however you want, do whatever you want, dye your hair pink, red, black, do extensions. I shaved off my eyebrows in 10th grade. No one was doing that.

• 10:57Bunnie XO?

  At all?

• 10:58Speaker 03

  It was like horror and shock.

• 11:00Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 11:02Speaker 03

  And.

• 11:02Bunnie XO?

  You're like a pioneer of sorts.

• 11:04Speaker 03

  It was crazy. And she caught me one day when I was doing the dishes and I wasn't wearing long sleeves and she came home from work early. And when you've been doing it for so long. So she caught me and she saw the side of the arm. I'll never forget it.

• 11:16Bunnie XO?

  What did she say?

• 11:18Speaker 03

  I mean, you know, most parents don't fully know how to articulate it because they immediately go to, he wants to die. And it's like, you know? And she is a fucking train wreck. So you are a bitch.

• 11:27Bunnie XO?

  So was my mom. Trust me. I get it.

• 11:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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• 12:00Speaker 03

  So it was rough and we never gelled. So I'm 17 and a half. I graduate high school early. I'm out. I'm going to LA. And by then I had been going to a lot of shows. I was 17 with the fake ID, going to the key club, the whiskey on Sunset.

• 12:17Bunnie XO?

  I had a fake ID too. I was at the Rio and fucking Pinkies and all that shit.

• 12:21Speaker 03

  So much makeup. No one really knew how old I, like they couldn't tell if I was 16 or 30, you know?

• 12:26Bunnie XO?

  Let's dial it back real quick before you left home because didn't, wasn't one of your first sexual experiences at 12?

• 12:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:33Bunnie XO?

  I mean, how do you even know to have sex at 12?

• 12:37Speaker 03

  Oh my God. Um, I don't know. It just naturally happened. And I think boys are really curious, but men don't like to talk about this stuff.

• 12:44Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 12:45Speaker 03

  So when you're in like ninth, 10th, well, this is eighth grade for me.

• 12:47Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 12:48Speaker 03

  So let's dial it back to eighth grade.

• 12:49Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 12:50Speaker 03

  Me and this guy Jeff and the football team and a foreign exchange student.

• 12:54Bunnie XO?

  Not another Jeff.

• 12:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. So the first guy I ever blew had the same name as me.

• 12:57Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 12:59Speaker 03

  Life.

• 13:00Bunnie XO?

  So you were already feeling that you were into boys.

• 13:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, so eighth grade was the first experience. Fifth grade was when I was like, oh, like, OK, girls are attractive, but I'm more attracted to men.

• 13:12Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 13:13Speaker 03

  And yes, I've slept with both. I love everyone, but I prefer men.

• 13:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 13:16Speaker 03

  Um, but I love everyone.

• 13:18Bunnie XO?

  I loved boys in makeup. Boy George was my first crush.

• 13:21Speaker 03

  Hate it.

• 13:23Speaker 03

  Love Boy George, but I am not attracted to men in makeup.

• 13:26Bunnie XO?

  Really?

• 13:26Speaker 03

  I don't like femininity.

• 13:28Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 13:28Speaker 03

  I like a fucking man.

• 13:30Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 13:31Speaker 03

  So if someone looked like me, it's the biggest turn off.

• 13:34Bunnie XO?

  Right, well, yeah. I wouldn't want to fuck somebody who looked like me either, so I get it.

• 13:38Speaker 03

  But like, I'm not into glam boys, I'm not into femininity, but I love a bad bitch. Like, you're fucking hot.

• 13:45Bunnie XO?

  I love you.

• 13:45Speaker 03

  But I don't like a guy in makeup.

• 13:46Bunnie XO?

  Right. But you know what? My dad was a musician and he had long black hair and he played in the band and he had, you know, so I've always been attracted to the emo boys, you know, the Chris Motionless and the.

• 13:58Speaker 03

  Yep. He was just in Wyoming.

• 14:01Bunnie XO?

  Shit like that, so I know.

• 14:03Speaker 03

  I can't. We're talking about that later.

• 14:05Bunnie XO?

  We can, but we'll have to bleep his name out.

• 14:08Speaker 03

  No eyeliner, like, nice body, tattoos, whatever.

• 14:13Bunnie XO?

  Sports guys, right? Or no?

• 14:15Speaker 03

  Nowadays, but in the Warped Tour days, it was like Country Boys and like Scene Boys, the MySpace, you know?

• 14:21Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 14:22Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh, so many flashbacks.

• 14:24Bunnie XO?

  Dial in back.

• 14:25Speaker 03

  We're in eighth grade, I'm ready to swallow.

• 14:30Bunnie XO?

  OK, fifth grade, you were already attracted to boys and then eighth grade.

• 14:34Speaker 03

  And I already looked different, where in fifth grade was the first time I was called a gay lord and a faggot.

• 14:41Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 14:42Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:43Bunnie XO?

  Really?

• 14:43Speaker 03

  Oh, absolutely. It was, it was this era of nineties where like the guys wanted to be like gangster and wear baggy flannel and these huge Tommy Hilfiger.

• 14:54Bunnie XO?

  All I dated was gangsters.

• 14:55Speaker 03

  And I was more like little button up, boy scout, like tight cut, military haircut, because my grandparents raised me while my mom was getting sober.

• 15:03Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 15:04Speaker 03

  So she got sober when I was in high school, finally.

• 15:06Bunnie XO?

  Oh, good.

• 15:06Speaker 03

  Thank God, and she's been sober since.

• 15:08Bunnie XO?

  Yay, mom.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  Congratulations to her, twenty-three years. Let's go.

• 15:11Bunnie XO?

  Let's fucking go.

• 15:12Speaker 03

  But, yeah, it was.

• 15:15Bunnie XO?

  So twelve years old, you and Jeff hook up and it turned into a threesome, right?

• 15:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, so my first like real experience with a guy was with two guys.

• 15:24Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 15:25Speaker 03

  And while I've been writing my book, I've been told by the guy that's writing with me.

• 15:30Bunnie XO?

  Which by the way, I love Neil Strauss.

• 15:31Speaker 03

  He's a genius.

• 15:32Bunnie XO?

  Don't fuck around, like, love him.

• 15:34Speaker 03

  So he definitely let me analyze myself very deeply with this. And he's like, everything you do without you knowing it is extreme. And I was like, huh, and that hit me hard in a good way. But it's like, everything I do, like, oh, I bought some land, now it's the biggest yak ranch in America. And I'm in seven restaurants. I can't just like let things be.

• 15:52Bunnie XO?

  Right, well, you came from nothing and I'm literally, I'm a money hoarder, literally, I have so much shit around. Like, it's crazy. Once you, when you come from nothing, you want everything.

• 16:02Speaker 03

  We both turned dirt into diamonds.

• 16:05Bunnie XO?

  Literally, and you're never happy, like, it's, once you reach one goal, it's the next goal, it's the next goal, it's the next goal.

• 16:11Speaker 03

  Okay, good, you understand.

• 16:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, totally. I have a lot of Capricorn in me though, too, so I'm like, I never give up. I'm literally just always going. So moving on, after your first threesome. Take me on that journey. You're seventeen, you are leaving home, you're going.

• 16:25Speaker 03

  I literally got a U-Haul, and I always had older friends, of course, I hate, I hated immature little kids. So someone.

• 16:33Bunnie XO?

  I was the same way.

• 16:33Speaker 03

  That's it. So they rented me a U-Haul, we pulled up, I said, bye mom, like, I'm, I'm, I'm out, and I.

• 16:40Bunnie XO?

  And she just let you go?

• 16:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 16:42Speaker 03

  I mean, what, what was she gonna do, you know? But it was good, it was really good, but I had to grow up quick.

• 16:47Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 16:47Speaker 03

  So.

• 16:48Bunnie XO?

  Especially on the streets of Hollywood.

• 16:50Speaker 03

  So my birthday is in November, so then I turn, school's over in, in June, July. So I'm doing like little freelance makeup jobs, barely making it by, and I'm sleeping on someone's couch. She works at MAC makeup. She was like, you're eighteen now, like, you need to work at MAC, your, your makeup's so fierce, like, hello. And she was way older than me, so she got me the in, and obviously I sold myself, my first job. So my first job ever was at MAC Cosmetics. And now I'm their competitor.

• 17:18Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, literally. You went in there, took all their tips and tricks.

• 17:22Speaker 03

  I'm a MAC alumni, I have, I have Ruby Woo lipstick tattooed on my arm, I'm a MAC alumni forever, like, and I, and I still wear their, their powder, I love it.

• 17:30Bunnie XO?

  I could totally picture you being at MAC too.

• 17:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, highest seller.

• 17:33Bunnie XO?

  I bet.

• 17:34Speaker 03

  But then it already started, everyone already, you know, the jealousy, the craziness, the. Then I learned the industry was really catty. It wasn't about the artistry. It was all very competitive and LA was like very cutthroat. And back then, there wasn't a million makeup artists like there is now.

• 17:49Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 17:49Speaker 03

  There was no technology, no phone, no one could even process that. We barely just started having phones, right?

• 17:54Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 17:55Speaker 03

  So there's no-

• 17:55Bunnie XO?

  I had beepers and shit.

• 17:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:57Bunnie XO?

  I'm looking at my-

• 17:57Speaker 03

  Nokia.

• 17:58Bunnie XO?

  When I look down, I'm looking at my list of notes that I have, so.

• 18:01Speaker 03

  And what were we just saying?

• 18:04Bunnie XO?

  Um, you were talking about Mac.

• 18:05Speaker 03

  Come on, hybrid and indica.

• 18:06Bunnie XO?

  He's like squirrel. Um, you were talking about Mac.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  Baby.

• 18:10Bunnie XO?

  And everybody's being a fucking hater.

• 18:12Speaker 03

  We were freelancing, we were going to different locations and I was always had the top sales. It was really fun. And as you meet people in the stores, customers, you start networking. So from day one, my online journey, and by the way, I was already online at this point.

• 18:26Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 18:26Speaker 03

  I was already on these websites that people don't even know exist, like hot or not dot com.

• 18:31Bunnie XO?

  Dude, I loved hot or not.

• 18:32Speaker 03

  And LiveJournal and all these things that people don't even know existed.

• 18:34Bunnie XO?

  No, that was-

• 18:35Speaker 03

  And I was already infiltrating.

• 18:36Bunnie XO?

  That was our childhood.

• 18:37Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 18:37Bunnie XO?

  Literally.

• 18:38Speaker 03

  So I would meet people.

• 18:39Bunnie XO?

  IsAnyoneUp.com.

• 18:40Speaker 03

  IsAnyoneUp. Oh, Jesus.

• 18:42Bunnie XO?

  All those.

• 18:43Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, yes. And all of a sudden, I'm getting clients outside of the store.

• 18:48Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 18:49Speaker 03

  And I'm doing makeup for music videos, lo-fi, Z-list movies that no one's ever heard of. And then I meet this girl and she started, I start working for Hustler. I started doing makeup for porn.

• 19:00Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 19:01Speaker 03

  At nineteen. So I just started networking and just making as much money as I could. But for the lifestyle I knew I was meant for, it wasn't enough.

• 19:10Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  So that's when someone introduced, of course, I did some girls' makeup. She was about to go turn a trick, didn't know it. And she's like, oh, baby, the guys would love you.

• 19:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 19:21Speaker 03

  I'll never forget her saying that line. And I was like, what do you mean? And she's like, this and this. And I was like, I can't. Like, I didn't even fully understand. A lot of men have fantasies, la la la. So I'm ignorant. Bitch, she sold me out in a good way.

• 19:34Bunnie XO?

  She turned you out.

• 19:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:35Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 19:36Speaker 03

  She got her 10%.

• 19:38Bunnie XO?

  We love that.

• 19:39Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. So I started the journey of hustling and doing sex work, which I haven't really talked about much.

• 19:46Bunnie XO?

  I think it's important for people to know that. I'm so-

• 19:48Speaker 03

  And I'm never ashamed.

• 19:49Bunnie XO?

  Ever. I feel like people think that we should be ashamed for what we had to do to survive. And I'm never gonna fucking apologize.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  Even though I'm at this stage in my life, I sometimes still wish I could do it.

• 20:02Bunnie XO?

  It was so, it was a different time. Where like if you wanted to wake up and make X amount of dollars, you could.

• 20:09Bunnie XO?

  That or even a sugar daddy. Have a sugar daddy who just fucking.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  I had a few of the, I even had ones online that I never met. So people were like, okay, you're on MySpace. How did you, people would send me high powered cameras. I didn't know that existed. Teach myself everything. So I was one of the first people to do a vlog. Me and Paris Hilton were the first ones to ever make money off of being a social media star. So I coined internet, um, an internet celebrity.

• 20:34Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. I remember the first time I saw you was MySpace. It was you, forbidden.

• 20:40Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. Rest in peace.

• 20:41Bunnie XO?

  I know. How sad.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  And Tila Tequila.

• 20:44Bunnie XO?

  Tila Tequila, where the fuck is she?

• 20:45Speaker 03

  And I'm the last one standing bitch.

• 20:47Bunnie XO?

  And normal somewhat.

• 20:48Speaker 03

  That's it. Oh, my.

• 20:50Bunnie XO?

  You haven't lost your mind.

• 20:51Speaker 03

  This Tequila's crazy.

• 20:52Bunnie XO?

  I know.

• 20:52Speaker 03

  Forbidden could never escape not being a star anymore. And God bless her, um, addiction, alcohol. That's literally like in Orange County's culture. I hate it.

• 21:02Bunnie XO?

  No, it's so sad because she was such a beautiful woman, but Tila, I don't know what the fuck happened. I think she had an aneurysm and just never got right after that, right?

• 21:10Speaker 03

  I have no idea.

• 21:12Bunnie XO?

  They say it's the Illuminati, but I'm not sure.

• 21:14Speaker 03

  No, we're not claiming her. No, no, no, no, no. We don't know who that is. She wanted to be a part of the club. No, thank you.

• 21:21Bunnie XO?

  I don't think she made enough money, right? Don't you have to have like a certain amount of money to get into the Illuminati?

• 21:26Speaker 03

  I'm not sure.

• 21:29Bunnie XO?

  Everybody thinks my husband and I are in the Illuminati and I'm like, I'm glad you guys think we have that much money. Like, it's not what it is.

• 21:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's interesting. It, it, yeah. Life's very interesting.

• 21:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, definitely.

• 21:40Speaker 03

  So I moved to Wyoming and I escaped a lot of things.

• 21:45Bunnie XO?

  So let's dial back, though. You had started, you had started doing sex work. And how long did you do sex work for? Did you use that as like a means to an end while you were doing social media?

• 21:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. Okay. And then like the Warped Tour days really took off and I started doing music.

• 22:01Bunnie XO?

  Yes, I loved Beauty Killer.

• 22:02Speaker 03

  So people forget, thank you, oh my god, that I was obviously a working makeup artist.

• 22:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 22:07Speaker 03

  And then MySpace and social media really exploded for me.

• 22:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 22:11Speaker 03

  And I started to all of a sudden have like merchandise and I'm number one in Hot Topic, so I stopped obviously doing makeup on others.

• 22:17Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 22:17Speaker 03

  People would hire me back in the day like, oh, will you do my wedding? Or like, come to my daughter's birthday party. Like, those days were very fun.

• 22:23Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  But then I started doing music.

• 22:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 22:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I did music as a joke. I rapped on this Hollywood Undead song a very long time ago.

• 22:31Bunnie XO?

  My husband just did a feature with them.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 22:33Bunnie XO?

  They're still around and still kicking ass.

• 22:35Speaker 03

  That's it.

• 22:36Bunnie XO?

  Like, love them.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  And the first album, I was supposed to be on it, and then there was drama and they took me off, but the song was already online for free called Turn Off The Lights.

• 22:45Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 22:46Speaker 03

  And it was massive. I even rerecorded it. Interscope Records and whoever at the time took me off, but the song was already massive online.

• 22:54Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 22:55Speaker 03

  And it was just very interesting.

• 22:57Bunnie XO?

  Isn't it crazy how record labels work? Like, they're just, they're shady. Yeah, they're shady as fuck.

• 23:01Speaker 03

  Not all, but most.

• 23:02Bunnie XO?

  Not all, but pretty much most of them are. They're just so shady. Um, I feel like Hollywood Undead always had some sort of drama going on. They were, they were fighting each other.

• 23:11Speaker 03

  I know. It was awful.

• 23:12Bunnie XO?

  Sorry, guys, I don't mean to talk shit, but I'm just saying.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  No, it was just crazy.

• 23:15Bunnie XO?

  Back in the day, like they were beefing with each other.

• 23:17Speaker 03

  Worked it out, yeah.

• 23:18Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure. But let's talk about your music career. I mean, you had like Nicki Minaj as a feature and like, dude, so cool.

• 23:24Speaker 03

  A lot of, I work with a lot of really cool people.

• 23:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 23:27Speaker 03

  I did music, I always say like as a joke, but I actually really enjoyed it. When I did the first rap verse, I freestyled it, wrote it down in 10 minutes. It was very, very crass. And I was like, I want it.

• 23:38Bunnie XO?

  Freestyling right now before the cameras started rolling.

• 23:40Speaker 03

  I even put forbidden in my first verse.

• 23:42Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 23:43Speaker 03

  The first, yeah, ever. It was, yeah, it was, that's so funny. The little last line is, "I watched me eat forbidden, that pussy."

• 23:49Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 23:50Speaker 03

  That's so fucked, but so good. And she loved it, by the way.

• 23:53Bunnie XO?

  I bet, but it's just like.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  And it was, it was crazy. It was vicious. And I was like, I want to be like the obscene, like white little Kim.

• 23:59Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  And that was my shtick. And I penned some wild ass shit.

• 24:04Bunnie XO?

  It was actually really good. I loved, what is the song? Um, Plastic Slumber Party?

• 24:09Speaker 03

  Plastic Surgery Slumber Party.

• 24:10Bunnie XO?

  Love. That was one of my favorite songs.

• 24:12Speaker 03

  And that was very like lofi fun electro MySpace music.

• 24:16Bunnie XO?

  Like Depeche Mode meets like techno. Like it was really cool. Yeah, you had to have been there. It's the best way to describe it.

• 24:22Speaker 03

  And for some reason, because of MySpace and I was already popular for being me and my char-, you know, who, this character.

• 24:28Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 24:29Speaker 03

  It just got big.

• 24:32Bunnie XO?

  Why don't you pursue music anymore though? Cause you're so good at it. And it seems like it's a passion of yours.

• 24:38Speaker 03

  Been asked this for every time I do an interview.

• 24:41Bunnie XO?

  Really?

• 24:41Speaker 03

  And we have definitely been dabbling for fun.

• 24:45Bunnie XO?

  Hmm. Dude, my husband will help you.

• 24:47Speaker 03

  It's really, I love it.

• 24:48Bunnie XO?

  But.

• 24:49Speaker 03

  Listen, I, you never know, there may be a little comeback.

• 24:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, do it. Please. I think TikTok needs a Jeffree Star track. It will go fucking ape shit.

• 25:01Speaker 03

  I even have a new song on my phone.

• 25:02Bunnie XO?

  Uh, can we get a little snippet?

• 25:04Speaker 03

  Later on the bus.

• 25:05Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  So I have been doing it for fun.

• 25:09Bunnie XO?

  I, but you're so good at it. Like, I think that's something that you need to do. And it's also a creative outlet for you.

• 25:14Speaker 03

  It's really cool.

• 25:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  And now that I'm living this Wyoming life and I'm older and my voice is less faggoty.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  I can say that. Number one faggot right here. Um, my voice is deeper.

• 25:27Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  And I really like my voice. And someone came over the other day and we did, I'm not even kidding, you're gonna die. Beauty Killer acoustic.

• 25:34Bunnie XO?

  Wow, no.

• 25:35Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. And they're like, would you ever perform this before?

• 25:38Bunnie XO?

  Fucking scene kid that grew up with us needs that, dude. You have no idea.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  So when I opened up my retail store, we're jumping 30 years ahead.

• 25:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 25:45Speaker 03

  I just.

• 25:45Bunnie XO?

  We're just all over the place.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  Opening, I had Yellow Love perform.

• 25:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, we love yellow.

• 25:49Speaker 03

  We broke the record of biggest event ever in Casper for downtown. It beat even the eclipse from 2018.

• 25:54Bunnie XO?

  Yay.

• 25:55Speaker 03

  And we've never been on the moon. But anyway, um, that's for, that's for the next 10 minutes. It was epic.

• 26:01Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 26:01Speaker 03

  So I was like, you know what, everyone's you should go perform a song. And I was like, oh, hell no. But then it actually kind of inspired me.

• 26:07Bunnie XO?

  Good. I'm proud of you.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  So you never know what could happen.

• 26:10Bunnie XO?

  You need to do that. Do stuff that makes you set your soul on fire.

• 26:13Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 26:13Bunnie XO?

  You know, I feel like you've done so much shit now for not just you, but for everybody else and to maybe prove points. Because from all the trauma that we have come from.

• 26:21Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 26:21Bunnie XO?

  We're always proving a point.

• 26:23Speaker 03

  We are.

• 26:24Bunnie XO?

  And I feel like.

• 26:24Speaker 03

  Thank God she knows that.

• 26:26Bunnie XO?

  I feel like music for you is therapeutic.

• 26:29Speaker 03

  It is actually.

• 26:29Bunnie XO?

  And I also feel like it's something that you enjoy.

• 26:31Speaker 03

  It is.

• 26:32Bunnie XO?

  As much as like your yaks and shit.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  Because the makeup brand took off so big.

• 26:35Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  I was like, and I really became engrossed.

• 26:38Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 26:38Speaker 03

  I went from living in a one bedroom apartment with a thousand dollars to like, I want to be a CEO of my own company. And I had to literally teach myself everything.

• 26:46Bunnie XO?

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• 28:12Bunnie XO?

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• 28:57Bunnie XO?

  But I mean, you did it and look what happened. So you're in, let me, let me, so when we left off.

• 29:03Speaker 03

  I just started music.

• 29:04Bunnie XO?

  You had just started music. When you decided to stop music and then when did you start getting into makeup?

• 29:11Speaker 03

  Oh, that's a good question.

• 29:12Bunnie XO?

  Was that like coincided with each other?

• 29:14Speaker 03

  It was also, the music was literally like a 10 year journey.

• 29:18Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 29:18Speaker 03

  And I was always independent until the end.

• 29:21Bunnie XO?

  You were touring and everything, right?

• 29:22Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 29:23Bunnie XO?

  You're hopping on the tour bus tonight with us.

• 29:25Speaker 03

  We had tour buses, I was performing and there was no like real label behind me. I had an independent deal through Warner, which means I had no support.

• 29:32Bunnie XO?

  It's like a distribution deal.

• 29:33Speaker 03

  It was literally a distribution deal. That was it. And it was sick and we had, you know, we had a cute little number one dance album and la la la, but I never got the success that I wanted.

• 29:41Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 29:42Speaker 03

  I wanted to be like number one. And then there's other people in the industry coming up at the same time. And they chose Evil Deals, Kesha, Lady Gaga. And they even stole from my.

• 29:56Bunnie XO?

  Aesthetic.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  Oh baby. And I'm not blaming them, I'm blaming their stylists and their team. They would go out and they would steal.

• 30:03Bunnie XO?

  Gaga for sure.

• 30:04Speaker 03

  Girl.

• 30:05Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, like that's your, that's your whole shit.

• 30:06Speaker 03

  It was crazy back in the day.

• 30:08Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  I would go and I, and I saw their first show once.

• 30:11Bunnie XO?

  And people weren't doing cease and desist back then, right?

• 30:13Speaker 03

  Pink on the, on the screen right before she goes on stage.

• 30:16Bunnie XO?

  Like your cereal shot, right?

• 30:18Speaker 03

  Girl. The cover of Plastic Surgery Summer Party, I'm puking pink.

• 30:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. You have your finger in your mouth.

• 30:23Speaker 03

  I go to this woman's show.

• 30:26Speaker 03

  She's throwing it pink on the Jumbotron for her first big tour.

• 30:29Bunnie XO?

  And there's nothing you can do.

• 30:30Speaker 03

  Devastated, crying. Fifteen years later, I'm reviewing her concealer. We're cool.

• 30:37Speaker 03

  Lady Gaga, I love you, but it was her team. And later down the road, when I became uh, signed to similar folks, they all had stories and it was really dark and it's none of it was her fault. When you're that big, you have such a team behind you and you're just going with the fucking blow.

• 30:52Bunnie XO?

  And no say so, like literally, yeah, right. We never know.

• 30:56Speaker 03

  But a lot of them chose horrible deals. Um, you know, people call it selling their soul. I've always kept my soul.

• 31:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 31:03Speaker 03

  And I've been offered a lot.

• 31:04Bunnie XO?

  I'm looking you in your eyes. You seem to have a soul still. Yeah.

• 31:08Speaker 03

  It all cracks.

• 31:10Bunnie XO?

  He turns into a reptilian right now.

• 31:12Speaker 03

  They wanted me to go full reptile. I didn't want to.

• 31:15Bunnie XO?

  Really?

• 31:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:16Bunnie XO?

  How does that even work? How does somebody come to you and say, hey, I want you to be a reptilian?

• 31:20Speaker 03

  They see the potential that you can do to shift the culture.

• 31:23Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 31:23Speaker 03

  And I chose to shift it myself.

• 31:26Bunnie XO?

  So people actually will come to you and say, hey, I want you to be a reptilian. What does that entail?

• 31:30Speaker 03

  It's more like, will you, it's basically like selling your soul. It's such a tricky, such a tricky thing to say.

• 31:36Bunnie XO?

  Like Ursula and the Little Mermaid, like sign on the dotted line and pretty much.

• 31:39Speaker 03

  You have to give more than that.

• 31:40Bunnie XO?

  Really?

• 31:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:41Bunnie XO?

  Like a firstborn or like your left nut or something.

• 31:45Speaker 03

  Listen, if you want that tour bus to not have the brakes go out tonight, no, I'm just kidding. No one can hear us. No one, no one knows we're talking about this.

• 31:52Bunnie XO?

  No, we're good.

• 31:53Speaker 03

  It's a tricky slope because the industry is really dark.

• 31:55Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  And there's a lot of people that will do.

• 31:57Bunnie XO?

  Such a dark side and there's such also a light side. It just depends on which.

• 32:01Speaker 03

  There is. But thankfully, because of social media and people having the guts, a lot of things are now infiltrated. Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, all these things are coming out.

• 32:10Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 32:10Speaker 03

  And it's like, thank God.

• 32:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  So Hollywood is so scared.

• 32:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Oh, I bet. They're shook.

• 32:15Speaker 03

  There's no new artists. They're all pushing this stupid satanic demon shit. It's all so dumb.

• 32:19Bunnie XO?

  Fucking, what's her name? Doja Cat right now? It's getting weird.

• 32:22Speaker 03

  It's just getting boring.

• 32:23Bunnie XO?

  It's getting uncomfortable to the point of.

• 32:25Speaker 03

  Right, is what it is.

• 32:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's just getting uncomfortable to the point of just like, who are, what are you trying to prove? We get it. You know, like you're.

• 32:33Speaker 03

  It's to make them feed into it like they really are. I know. It's, it's so boring. I listened to the new song for the first time on the plane right here and I'm just like.

• 32:43Speaker 03

  This is it, huh?

• 32:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, you're like, that's it.

• 32:45Speaker 03

  Second verse is kinda cute, but it's like, I just bought a limousine and I'm just like, my IQ is dropping right now.

• 32:51Bunnie XO?

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:51Speaker 03

  It's not great.

• 32:52Bunnie XO?

  She's losing her razzle dazzle.

• 32:54Speaker 03

  I even like Pink the Town, right? I think it's cute. It has a great beat. Obviously, these producers know what they're doing. They create a beat that you're gonna be hooked on and you can sing it in your head.

• 33:02Bunnie XO?

  A loop, yeah.

• 33:03Speaker 03

  It's all a game, you know what I mean? So I never played the game with these top producers. I never, I saw how dark the industry was and it was like, could go here or this way. So I fired everyone. I said goodbye to Akon. I said goodbye to Convict Music.

• 33:18Bunnie XO?

  Which you were assigned to Akon whenever you were doing your music career.

• 33:21Speaker 03

  So my last few songs, it has the iconic clink Convict. Do you know how cool that was? That very first time I got to put a track out with his fucking intro? It was like, I made it. It was insane.

• 33:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 33:32Speaker 03

  Prom Night, the crazy single.

• 33:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yep.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Where our little kid's shooting up everyone at the end.

• 33:36Bunnie XO?

  Yep.

• 33:36Speaker 03

  Such a forward thinker.

• 33:38Bunnie XO?

  You really are, though. You have always been, no, for sure, for sure. You have always been ahead of your time, though.

• 33:44Speaker 03

  Baby Columbine had just happened. I'm like, we're gonna tap into this, cuz I also was getting death threats every day. It was different times. I would walk out the streets looking like this. Faggot. I was called the craziest names. Nowadays, people don't talk like that.

• 33:58Bunnie XO?

  Right, well, you get fucking cancelled.

• 33:59Speaker 03

  That's it.

• 34:00Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I'm so tired of online fucking trolls and shit.

• 34:02Speaker 03

  But back in the day, it was just so different.

• 34:04Bunnie XO?

  Twenty fourteen, you're already doing MySpace.

• 34:08Speaker 03

  Twenty fourteen is when I started the brand.

• 34:09Bunnie XO?

  Right, so I was gonna say, MySpace was after music or?

• 34:13Speaker 03

  Before.

• 34:14Bunnie XO?

  Before?

• 34:14Speaker 03

  And during.

• 34:15Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 34:16Speaker 03

  And then remember, MySpace

• 34:19Bunnie XO?

  Tanked.

• 34:19Speaker 03

  Finally started having it to run. Facebook's here, Instagram's here, all these new things are happening. The population's changing, the last generation's now, you know, just, everything's evolving.

• 34:30Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:31Speaker 03

  So it was a very hard time for me. I let go of the music world.

• 34:36Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 34:37Speaker 03

  I knew I was never gonna be number one single and, and performing in front of twenty thousand in my head, not knowing what was gonna come later.

• 34:45Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 34:45Speaker 03

  And I gave it all up. And that was like the only moment where I almost felt like giving up. Not like full suicide, but it was like, I, I, I was like very hopeless.

• 34:55Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 34:56Speaker 03

  And I was sitting in this apartment that I did the documentary on, right? Me and Shane Dawson. We even went back to the old apartment. It was so fucked.

• 35:02Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 35:03Speaker 03

  And

• 35:05Speaker 03

  It was it was just a moment of like, we're going this way or this way. So then I just started using the internet, which is free. You don't need to go to college. And I taught myself how to make a product, how to build a brand, and I just taught myself everything from the ground up. And there was a makeup, I mean, I'm in LA. There's makeup labs everywhere. People want to work with me. But it was at a really weird stage. So as I quit, I start, I went back to the Warped Tour crowd. I started selling merchandise and doing meet and greets with no music anymore.

• 35:34Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 35:34Speaker 03

  Here's a sick merch line. Come meet me. Cause I was broke.

• 35:38Bunnie XO?

  The tenacity, though.

• 35:39Speaker 03

  I was fucking broke.

• 35:41Bunnie XO?

  Most people don't have the tenacity that you do to do that, to to go and teach themselves things and to just keep fucking hustling. That's like something that you can't fucking teach people. You should be proud of yourself for that.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  Survivor mentality, it was like, it was do or die.

• 35:56Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 35:56Speaker 03

  So I'm on Warped Tour 2013, testing out my first ever lipstick formulas in the heat. It was awesome.

• 36:04Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 36:05Speaker 03

  And I'm concocting my plan and and thinking about what I'm gonna do. And I'm like, okay, I want to put out three liquid lipsticks. There's only like three brands on the market at the time.

• 36:14Bunnie XO?

  Kylie wasn't around then.

• 36:15Speaker 03

  Nope. Her lips were still normal.

• 36:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 36:17Speaker 03

  And mine weren't.

• 36:20Bunnie XO?

  Oh, we had, we got into plastic surgery at a young age because that's where, that's how we grew up. That's how the West Coast is.

• 36:26Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 36:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 36:27Speaker 03

  So I'm on this tour bus. We're doing meet and greets every day in the hot sun. Everyone else, you know, they do their thirty minute set, their little ten minute meet and greet. And they all go try to fuck and get wasted. I'm under that hot tent, seven hours, working that motherfucker. Making, making all the money.

• 36:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 36:45Speaker 03

  Never partying. And once the seven hours is over, then I go chill, redo my makeup, then we swallow.

• 36:53Bunnie XO?

  Line them up.

• 36:53Speaker 03

  Line them up.

• 36:54Bunnie XO?

  Line them up, baby.

• 36:55Speaker 03

  But, you know, it was just, it was such a crazy time for me. So I felt very hopeless. But then I'm ready to start the brand and launch this shit.

• 37:04Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 37:04Speaker 03

  I have no investor.

• 37:07Speaker 03

  Akon was gonna own part of my brand. Shout out to Akon, amazing musician, right?

• 37:12Bunnie XO?

  Is he a good human too?

• 37:13Speaker 03

  He is, but he was going through so much turmoil in his life with his record label playing games and all these things. He could not be the best manager for me.

• 37:20Bunnie XO?

  So, okay, circling back, we, you're, it's on Warped Tour, you're doing, you're working your ass off and you're staying sober this whole time?

• 37:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, so you've never had a problem with drugs or anything?

• 37:30Speaker 03

  No.

• 37:31Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 37:31Speaker 03

  So I didn't smoke. So here's a great, I didn't try weed till I was 23.

• 37:36Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  We were on tour and I'm with Daniel and the very first time was in Salt Lake City at this venue and their, their house, the venue owners, their house was above the venue.

• 37:46Bunnie XO?

  Weird.

• 37:46Speaker 03

  And it was very cool. Shout out to Jackie, I still remember her and they had the volcano bag.

• 37:51Bunnie XO?

  Oh my God, a gravity bong type thing?

• 37:53Speaker 03

  No, no, no, like the volcano, like the one that blows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not the bong, but like the bag.

• 37:57Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 37:57Speaker 03

  And it's like pure vapor, so it's very strong.

• 38:00Bunnie XO?

  For your first time?

• 38:02Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 38:02Bunnie XO?

  Extreme.

• 38:03Speaker 03

  And obviously people always ask like, why did you want to do it then? It was like in the moment, I'm feeling that, not that rock star life, but like I had made it, I'm on stage, there's a few thousand people there every night. It was very wild times.

• 38:15Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 38:16Speaker 03

  And I'm with Daniel, I felt very safe. Um, and I was like, you know what? Let me just try it for the first time. Like everyone else was smoking and they're acting normal. I didn't, I didn't like the wasted, gross, aggressive emotions, all this. I saw the array of people really happy, really violent, crying, trauma coming out and I'm like, fuck all this.

• 38:33Bunnie XO?

  When you're sober around drunk people, I just talked about this on a podcast yesterday.

• 38:37Speaker 03

  People don't get it, it's hard, it's awful.

• 38:38Bunnie XO?

  I just, I tell everybody I'm judging you because there's nothing attractive about a woman spilling all over the place, a guy in your face just breathing on you. Like I hate it. It's so gross.

• 38:47Speaker 03

  People don't realize that until they're sober.

• 38:48Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 38:49Speaker 03

  So it was, it was great times though. It was amazing.

• 38:53Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 38:54Speaker 03

  So we're at this weird trajectory of like, how am I gonna get this brand launched? And then once the Akon-

• 38:59Bunnie XO?

  The gravity bag though.

• 39:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, the gravity bag. See, I'm already on the gravity bag today. So we try weed for the first time. So I take a hit. I'll never forget this. And the bag is like big and you take a hit. And I'm like, I literally felt nothing. And a lot of people go, well, sometimes the cannabinoids don't work on your first time. Yeah, whatever. So I didn't know the vapor takes like, hmm, maybe five to 10 minutes to like kind of kick in.

• 39:23Bunnie XO?

  Hit you, yeah.

• 39:24Speaker 03

  So Mr. Extreme over here, I take like five more hits.

• 39:30Speaker 03

  And I'm like, nothing's happening. This is so like, wow, I can't believe I took this long to try weed and nothing's happening. It hit me like a train.

• 39:38Bunnie XO?

  Oh, no.

• 39:39Speaker 03

  In the best way.

• 39:40Bunnie XO?

  Oh, good.

• 39:41Speaker 03

  No bad first trip.

• 39:42Bunnie XO?

  Good.

• 39:43Speaker 03

  I can't stop laughing.

• 39:45Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 39:45Speaker 03

  I'm already a silly bitch.

• 39:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  Me and Daniel are on, it's this cheetah print rug.

• 39:51Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 39:51Speaker 03

  I'm laughing hysterically in my fucking underwear. The show's done. I'm all sweaty. You know what I mean? We're just up there chilling. Everyone's getting a drink, la la la. I cannot stop laughing. The munchies hit.

• 40:02Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 40:03Speaker 03

  And we're like, okay, we're, you know, we start saying goodbye. I'm high for hours. We get into the van to go to the, the hotel, the little La Quinta, the little La Quinta. We're in the van going to the hotel and I feel like we're on a roller coaster and we're going thirty five miles an hour.

• 40:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 40:15Speaker 03

  I'm laughing hyster- we get to the hotel. I clean out the vending machine.

• 40:18Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 40:20Speaker 03

  I have no idea, but I'm so high, my brain blacks out.

• 40:24Bunnie XO?

  Oh, no.

• 40:26Speaker 03

  I wake up. There's chili Frito bags, Funyuns, Snicker bars, like, I cleaned out that bitch. And I had an eating fest with Daniel. We ordered pizza. I don't remember ordering and I, and I had the best sleep of my life. That's what I remember.

• 40:41Bunnie XO?

  What a fucking great memory of you two.

• 40:43Speaker 03

  It was beautiful.

• 40:44Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 40:44Speaker 03

  And I felt so safe with Daniel, so.

• 40:46Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 40:47Speaker 03

  I start my journey of liking weed.

• 40:50Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 40:51Speaker 03

  And I didn't fully really get into it until I started my brand and I felt comfortable. And now I, you know, I, I've said I've been high for ten years, but marijuana has been a really big. I don't know. It's so hard to like, claim something as doing something.

• 41:05Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 41:06Speaker 03

  But it definitely has helped my creativity flourish.

• 41:10Bunnie XO?

  Right. Do you battle with mental illness still or anything?

• 41:13Speaker 03

  Honestly, no, not really.

• 41:14Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 41:15Speaker 03

  Like we all.

• 41:15Bunnie XO?

  So no cutting or anything like that anymore? I was gonna say, maybe it like eases that.

• 41:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, it does take away full anxiety. I could, I don't ever really feel anxious, but I do smoke weed every day. Um, where it's legal.

• 41:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  And let's say my team's like, yo, okay, I created a concept, but you need to name these thirty five eyeshadows, like now.

• 41:33Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 41:34Speaker 03

  Puff. It starts coming out. I need like if I that's why music. Oh, my God. When I did that first album. I had never really smoked.

• 41:44Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 41:45Speaker 03

  Beauty Killer and all the EPs.

• 41:46Bunnie XO?

  But it was a way for you to channel.

• 41:47Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 41:48Bunnie XO?

  Your energies and just throw yourself into something that you really enjoy.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:52Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 41:53Speaker 03

  It's really cool.

• 41:54Bunnie XO?

  So let's talk about something else that you enjoy. Makeup. Do you still enjoy makeup?

• 41:57Speaker 03

  I really do.

• 41:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 41:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:58Bunnie XO?

  And skincare now, too.

• 42:00Speaker 03

  Obsessed.

• 42:01Bunnie XO?

  Talk to me about it.

• 42:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I I I've always loved skincare. I used to tell people as as young as fifteen, don't move your face.

• 42:09Bunnie XO?

  Right. Yeah.

• 42:09Speaker 03

  Which was always my thing.

• 42:11Bunnie XO?

  That's why I'm frozen.

• 42:11Speaker 03

  Now, as I get older, I don't care. I dissolved all my filler and I'm just kind of living a more free life. But I'm still me. I'm still Jeffrey fucking Star.

• 42:19Bunnie XO?

  Do you do botox or anything?

• 42:20Speaker 03

  I have it in two years.

• 42:21Bunnie XO?

  Wow, it looks amazing, though. I have to have it. I can't. When I start getting the wrinkles in the forehead, I freak out.

• 42:27Speaker 03

  I yeah, I do have more wrinkles. I'm not embracing them. Maybe they'll go away this this winter.

• 42:31Bunnie XO?

  You look great, though.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  Thank you. But I'm just doing a little more like my lips were too crazy, so I dissolved a lot. And you know, when things start to migrate and all this.

• 42:38Bunnie XO?

  I look like fucking Marge Simpson.

• 42:39Speaker 03

  So I had to.

• 42:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 42:41Speaker 03

  I had to tone it down for me, like below my nose was getting weird.

• 42:44Bunnie XO?

  No, your face is perfect. You look beautiful.

• 42:46Speaker 03

  So I had to tone it down a notch for me.

• 42:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, but we always do things for us, not for anybody else.

• 42:51Speaker 03

  But I always go extreme.

• 42:52Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure. So you started the makeup brand in twenty fourteen.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  Twenty fourteen, I launched three liquid lips on Black Friday.

• 43:01Bunnie XO?

  And you were looking for an investor. Akon was gonna invest, but he couldn't.

• 43:04Speaker 03

  He was out. Next, let's hit up my best friend of twelve years, Kat Von D. She's down. She shows me a makeup lab and I start doing my formula.

• 43:14Speaker 03

  She literally gives me a sample with a name of the lab. I call it Do All The Work. When she tried to destroy my career online, which flopped and backfired, she said she did everything. It was the biggest insult I think I've ever felt in my entire life. Because I did everything.

• 43:29Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's always hurtful when a friendship breaks up. It's like worse than a divorce.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  And publicly, for the very first time, because I had not really done online drama, then after that, as bigger as as things got, oh, it's a bloodbath.

• 43:41Bunnie XO?

  I feel like people just come for you just to be.

• 43:43Speaker 03

  Yes. They used to all the time just to get attention. So but it was my first big taste of the internet flipping.

• 43:50Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 43:51Speaker 03

  Without knowing any facts.

• 43:52Bunnie XO?

  Oh, they don't care.

• 43:53Speaker 03

  And then days later, if I recall, they all flipped back and realized it was all full of shit.

• 43:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, they don't care.

• 43:58Speaker 03

  But it was so hurtful for someone to say, I created his brand. It was like, but it was believable. That was a problem. And now knowing.

• 44:04Bunnie XO?

  Cause she was a little bit bigger than you back then. Right. Cause she had the LA or whatever.

• 44:09Speaker 03

  Having more money than me and she liked being the friend that had more. So when I surpassed her, she flipped on me.

• 44:16Speaker 03

  Twelve year friendship. She's tattooed my whole body. Fifty portraits.

• 44:20Bunnie XO?

  Would you guys ever be friends again?

• 44:21Speaker 03

  No.

• 44:22Bunnie XO?

  He just, because of you?

• 44:24Speaker 03

  Because of the way I was treated, I can never forgiving is fine when you get older. You can never go back to someone that stabbed you that hard.

• 44:33Bunnie XO?

  Well, you can forgive but not forget.

• 44:35Speaker 03

  Yes. So it was one of the most painful things I've gone through.

• 44:39Bunnie XO?

  Do you think maybe she's grown a lot since being a wife? And I'm just playing devil's advocate.

• 44:42Speaker 03

  I honestly have no idea.

• 44:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  I'm one of those people that now that I've, I've really helped myself, I don't lurk. So like the old days, I would care what everyone's doing. It's so unhealthy.

• 44:51Bunnie XO?

  It is. It's very toxic. I need to stop doing that.

• 44:54Speaker 03

  I don't, so I don't read the news. I don't know what's happening anymore. I don't care who's fucking who. What's this? Who did this? Who? I just don't care. It's so unhealthy.

• 45:04Bunnie XO?

  You just get to a point of just serenity.

• 45:06Speaker 03

  But when you're in the same world, yes, you're told she has a kid now. That's crazy. Crazy.

• 45:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  Insane that shit. That's fucking insane. And when you say also like, I hate children and then you have one, anyone's allowed to change their mind, obviously. I've grown a lot. It was wild to see someone become a parent.

• 45:28Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 45:28Speaker 03

  So hopefully it makes them nicer.

• 45:30Bunnie XO?

  I feel like Trisha Paytas having a kid has helped her grow a little bit too, you know, so I feel like, I think, I, I don't know. I've never had my own child. So I wouldn't know, but I feel like children soften women too. So, you know, you never know. Never say never. Maybe you guys will cross paths somewhere down the road and be able to.

• 45:50Speaker 03

  Me and Trisha, maybe.

• 45:51Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 45:52Speaker 03

  Trisha just did, she did me and Jay wrong and made up a whole drama.

• 45:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 45:56Speaker 03

  And then had a kid.

• 45:56Bunnie XO?

  Trisha actually flaked on me yesterday.

• 46:00Bunnie XO?

  I came off tour to fucking do her podcast with her, well, to do her podcast and her come on my podcast. And she texted me an hour before she was supposed to show up that she wasn't coming.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  That's so unprofessional.

• 46:13Bunnie XO?

  I know, but I'm just, you know, it is what it is and everything.

• 46:16Speaker 03

  Well, I normally don't talk about drama because the old Jeffrey, people just think things so differently than who I am.

• 46:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 46:22Speaker 03

  So I just kind of stray away from that and I don't like feeding into these things.

• 46:25Bunnie XO?

  No, never.

• 46:26Speaker 03

  But she did me really wrong.

• 46:28Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 46:28Speaker 03

  She made up all these lies that I fat shamed her and called her all these things. Never happened.

• 46:32Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 46:33Speaker 03

  Never happened. And then she gets in a fight.

• 46:35Bunnie XO?

  Looking for clout too?

• 46:36Speaker 03

  Of course she was. That was her stick.

• 46:38Bunnie XO?

  Right, right, right.

• 46:39Speaker 03

  And it was at a time where people wanted to hate me and Shane Dawson.

• 46:42Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 46:43Speaker 03

  So she picks a huge fight with my hairdresser Jay right here and it just turned into a bloodbath.

• 46:47Bunnie XO?

  Jay, how could you pick on Jay? He seems like a sweetheart.

• 46:50Speaker 03

  He went in on her and the thing is, is like, normal folks don't ever really hear someone like going in.

• 46:56Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 46:56Speaker 03

  Like, yeah, when you're angry and you're hurt, you're gonna fucking lash out and you're gonna let someone have it.

• 47:00Bunnie XO?

  Oh, if I tell somebody off, I'm, I'm a bully.

• 47:02Speaker 03

  He told her off in the fucking funniest way and they all tried to turn on us like we were the devil. I'm like, I've nev- I literally just flew her to Vegas. We're front row at Mariah Carey.

• 47:12Speaker 03

  The internet starts turning on me and Shane during the pandemic. She flips and makes up a whole story. The vlog was filmed on her channel. Her being in love with all of us. We go to Vegas. We take her on a shopping spree. We do all these amazing things. She deletes the vlog, makes up lies about me and him and the internet at the time, they ran with it.

• 47:31Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 47:31Speaker 03

  She hurt me deeply.

• 47:32Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 47:33Speaker 03

  And she's never apologized.

• 47:35Bunnie XO?

  I hate that. Well, Trisha, if you're listening, I hope that maybe hearing his side of the story will make you want to-

• 47:39Speaker 03

  It was hurtful and she knows it was.

• 47:41Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I hate that. I never knew any of that. I'd stay out of the drama.

• 47:44Speaker 03

  And then we never spoke again.

• 47:45Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 47:46Speaker 03

  And it was like, damn, it was really hurtful. We just sold two million pallets and there's a Trisha fucking eyeshadow in it.

• 47:51Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  Oh, the internet's starting not to like him and Shane? I'm gonna turn on them. So instead of everyone being like, wow, I know these people or me personally, they all started to flip.

• 48:02Bunnie XO?

  Instead of having your back.

• 48:03Speaker 03

  It was a time where cancel culture was so prominent.

• 48:06Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  So all the celebrities are unfollowing, everyone's feeding into it. And it's like, wow, you start to feel like a fucking piece of shit. And it was really dark. So she played me. She got what she wanted at the time. And now, now she's doing her and canceling your podcast.

• 48:21Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I had no idea the drama between you guys. I've never gotten into.

• 48:26Speaker 03

  It's very one sided.

• 48:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, I get it.

• 48:28Speaker 03

  Which is, which sucks. Cause normally I'm like, bitch, like I have some shit to say. I don't even have anything bad to say about her.

• 48:34Bunnie XO?

  No, I'm the same way. I get drug into drama that I don't even want to fucking be in and I never know. I never knew the story. I was just telling my experience.

• 48:43Speaker 03

  But I'm ready to share because I have never really talked about it and I think that I never got to say my piece because no one wanted to hear what I had to say at the time.

• 48:50Bunnie XO?

  I know. I just hate that for you. I feel like you're so misunderstood. Not now. I feel like with TikTok, everybody's starting to get to see the real you or the grown you. And I feel like everybody's loving it and embracing it.

• 49:03Speaker 03

  Her saying misunderstood was the only time today where I felt like a tinge of wanting to cry.

• 49:10Bunnie XO?

  I thought you want to hug? Let's hug.

• 49:15Speaker 03

  But yeah, it's hard when you have success to say you feel any type of way because people equate money to you feeling fine. I didn't, I never started the brand to make money. It grew insane and then I.

• 49:27Bunnie XO?

  You started the brand because you came from nothing and you had something to prove. You didn't want to be a piece of shit. You know, whatever, a people, a derogatory name that people were calling you. I totally understand. I've been a hooker my entire life. Now I'm a millionaire because I fucking worked my ass off.

• 49:43Speaker 03

  Understand.

• 49:44Bunnie XO?

  Like they can't let go of that past, but they want to, you know, they don't want to acknowledge what I've done with my clothes on, you know? So I totally understand where you're coming from. Let's talk about the brand though. So you started in.

• 49:54Speaker 03

  I started it. So Kat was going to be the investor. Flips on me. We all know that how that ended. And isn't it funny? She doesn't even have owner brand anymore. It's gone.

• 50:05Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  The irony in the last, my brand turns nine years old this November. Crazy. So grateful for the journey. We so I then in the music industry, I'm like, okay, I have no investor. I've already met the lab. The three colors are done. The formula is better than the ones on the market. I have no money. So I'm sitting there in full hopelessness, but I'm like, I'm still a hustler. Hello.

• 50:28Bunnie XO?

  So how many dicks do I gotta suck?

• 50:30Speaker 03

  That's it. And and shockingly, none to get the first loan.

• 50:35Bunnie XO?

  Good for you.

• 50:35Speaker 03

  Isn't that great? So I start hitting up booking agents, people that are in the industry. Do you know anyone?

• 50:40Bunnie XO?

  Connections that you've made by working your ass off.

• 50:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know all the, all the booking agents from the little punk rock venues to the House of Blues to the arenas. And I'm like, okay, I'm gonna start networking. I start calling people. This guy that owns Samarian Records had a meeting with me. And the co owners of Samarian Records, Ash and Jeff Cohen, invested in me and believed in the project.

• 51:05Bunnie XO?

  Doesn't that feel good?

• 51:06Speaker 03

  It was insane.

• 51:07Bunnie XO?

  To have somebody believing in you, in your vision.

• 51:09Speaker 03

  Clicked of like you, you have the funds to make the dream a reality. And all I needed was a hundred thousand. So I, I put everything I had in and they gave me the last of what I needed. On launch day, I paid them back in five minutes.

• 51:22Bunnie XO?

  Wow. I just got goosebumps.

• 51:25Speaker 03

  It was beautiful. Cause it was so like, is anyone going to care? I'm like, I have to do a photo shoot. I do a photo shoot in a pink coffin.

• 51:32Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 51:33Speaker 03

  My first brand shoe ever. And my eyes are open and I'm like, the liquid lipstick you've all been dying for. Coming soon. And that was this journey of my, of even creating a website, letting people know.

• 51:45Bunnie XO?

  Where you are.

• 51:46Speaker 03

  And then it was just like, you know, releasing colors and then the first highlighter, then the first lip scrub. And now it's spiraled into this massive thing. And it's just so beautiful and I'm so in love with makeup and I've changed the entire industry.

• 51:58Bunnie XO?

  Literally.

• 51:59Speaker 03

  Everything I enter, even TikTok. I'm changing TikTok right now. I'm taking the credit. From doing the live streams in the live crowd.

• 52:05Bunnie XO?

  Dude, we crack up seeing you on live all the time. I'm like.

• 52:08Speaker 03

  You never know what you're getting.

• 52:09Bunnie XO?

  I'm like Jeffrey is fucking hilarious. No, you're hilarious.

• 52:13Speaker 03

  And then battling like the TikTok creators and the people that I didn't know existed and then becoming part of the family. And then half of them fucking loving me and you know, half of them fucking hate me.

• 52:22Bunnie XO?

  I don't think they hate you. I think they just hate to love you.

• 52:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:26Bunnie XO?

  That's really what it is.

• 52:26Speaker 03

  Believe I joined their platform and I'm loving it. They, some people are shook at how much I love it.

• 52:32Bunnie XO?

  When I saw you on there, I was like Jeffrey's on TikTok and I was like, it's about fucking time.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  I know. So in the pandemic, when it was this whole dancing era.

• 52:39Bunnie XO?

  Hated it. I wouldn't do it either. I was like, you're not gonna catch my fucking ass on there.

• 52:43Speaker 03

  First time where I was like, wow, I'm not progressing with the internet culture.

• 52:49Speaker 03

  But YouTube is still so big. So let's go to, I start the brand. I learned what a beauty influencer is, rolling my fucking eyes in the back of my skull right now.

• 52:58Bunnie XO?

  Like everybody's so catty in that industry and just.

• 53:01Speaker 03

  I start doing YouTube. I upload my first tutorial. Now remember, I always forget to tell this to people. No one had seen me without makeup on before.

• 53:12Speaker 03

  So my big.

• 53:13Bunnie XO?

  Which I think you're gorgeous without makeup on. I love you without makeup on, but with makeup.

• 53:17Speaker 03

  And a lot of people do. Thank you for saying that. But I wasn't ready and I felt insecure about it.

• 53:21Bunnie XO?

  So it was your whole, it was your mask, your entire life.

• 53:24Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 53:25Bunnie XO?

  You hid behind that.

• 53:26Speaker 03

  Absolutely. And now that my trauma was starting to heal, I wasn't broke anymore. I had tax evasion. My bank account was frozen. No one knew any of this. And it was really, really dark times. I started the brand.

• 53:39Bunnie XO?

  The real fucking gangsters.

• 53:40Speaker 03

  That's it. They love me.

• 53:42Bunnie XO?

  But they do.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  They love me and it, and it transformed my entire life. So as I started to heal, the big shock was I'm gonna be bareface on YouTube.

• 53:52Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 53:52Speaker 03

  And I saw what the other girls were doing. So boring. We all know I fuck it. Everything I enter.

• 53:58Bunnie XO?

  I love that you always wanna do your own thing because I'm the same exact way. I don't wanna follow everybody.

• 54:02Speaker 03

  That's it. So I enter YouTube. I'm the first person I'm doing a tutorial. I'm lighting up the bowl. They changed the rules. You can't do that anymore.

• 54:09Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 54:10Speaker 03

  Two thousand fifteen, sixteen, seventeen. Oh, my God. And then eighteen, nineteen was just obviously in fucking credible. And my channel went from a hundred thousand to eighteen million people. And it was just like, how is this real? From tutorials to showing everything about my, I call it my marriage, my five year marriage. From every surgery to every mistake is all on my channel.

• 54:29Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 54:30Speaker 03

  And I quit last year.

• 54:31Bunnie XO?

  You shared your life with everybody.

• 54:33Speaker 03

  I did.

• 54:33Bunnie XO?

  I was so invested in you and Nate's relationship. That is one thing.

• 54:36Speaker 03

  It was beautiful.

• 54:37Bunnie XO?

  It was gorgeous to watch and.

• 54:38Speaker 03

  Thank you. Cause I fell in love for the first time, not knowing it was gonna be on camera, really.

• 54:42Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 54:43Speaker 03

  And it was really cool.

• 54:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 54:44Speaker 03

  I finally felt loved for the first time by another man that didn't want me to be a secret. And it really helped me heal. So being in love and that relationship really helped me heal.

• 54:54Bunnie XO?

  What happened with you guys, if you don't mind me asking? Can we talk about it?

• 54:59Speaker 03

  Um, there's a lot of paperwork involved.

• 55:02Bunnie XO?

  Wow, really?

• 55:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:05Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 55:06Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 55:07Bunnie XO?

  On his part?

• 55:09Speaker 03

  Um, we, yeah, that, yep.

• 55:12Bunnie XO?

  I just went and lurked his Instagram last night and he doesn't look like he's doing well.

• 55:16Speaker 03

  Really?

• 55:16Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 55:17Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, that's so weird to hear. Cause I don't lurk anymore. Obviously, this was.

• 55:20Bunnie XO?

  I was like, where is he? Cause I was writing my questions down.

• 55:23Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. This November, I'm four years single. I mean, no, I've dated people. That's not fair to say, but in a deep, real relationship.

• 55:29Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Are you, are, do you think that maybe you're scared?

• 55:33Speaker 03

  Of what?

• 55:34Bunnie XO?

  Of falling in love again.

• 55:36Speaker 03

  Oh, that's a great question. No. And I, I, and I'll get back to that. No, I'm, I'm open now. I'm not afraid.

• 55:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 55:42Speaker 03

  I'm not afraid at all. I know.

• 55:45Speaker 03

  No, I'm really not. Like, I'm very open to it. Um, haven't met the right person. I've dated some people. We've had a good time, la la la, but I haven't met anyone like I felt when I met him and our souls were like, wow.

• 55:59Bunnie XO?

  Twin flames.

• 55:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, had no idea. So I have not felt that since.

• 56:05Speaker 03

  Our breakup can legally not be discussed.

• 56:08Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 56:11Speaker 03

  I'm so sorry, everyone that wants the tea. I know, I know, I, I. It's not like I even wanna talk about it. It's just, it's a normal thing.

• 56:19Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 56:20Speaker 03

  Like, you can legally talk about your breakups and whatever. I cannot, which is a different world we live in.

• 56:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 56:26Speaker 03

  So we had a great time.

• 56:29Bunnie XO?

  Does, so there's not one person that you have met that has like, just set your soul on fire?

• 56:34Speaker 03

  Not since.

• 56:35Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 56:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:36Bunnie XO?

  You're just.

• 56:38Speaker 03

  That's my vibrator. It's on the bus.

• 56:40Bunnie XO?

  It's my blood pressure cuff in my purse. When it goes off, people think it's a vibrator.

• 56:44Speaker 03

  It's the NDA vibrating in my backpack.

• 56:49Speaker 03

  Oh, fuck.

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• 57:20Bunnie XO?

  So, moving on.

• 57:21Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. So you lurked. That's so funny.

• 57:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, so, yeah.

• 57:26Speaker 03

  And what is your synapses?

• 57:28Bunnie XO?

  So I went.

• 57:29Speaker 03

  Miss Bunny?

• 57:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, because I was writing on my interview last night and I was like, where the fuck is Nate? Because that is the only part of your life that I was ever invested in. I have not been invested since. No offense.

• 57:38Speaker 03

  No, I love that.

• 57:38Bunnie XO?

  I don't get in the drama and I don't care. Like, I just love you as a human.

• 57:41Speaker 03

  I love that. Thank you.

• 57:42Bunnie XO?

  So.

• 57:43Speaker 03

  So you did a little lurking for me?

• 57:44Bunnie XO?

  I did. So I went on Nate's profile and he looks, and I, you know, this is just my observation. I'm not saying anything. I don't know anything.

• 57:51Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 57:52Bunnie XO?

  He looks like he might be under the influence of something, not positive, but he just doesn't look mentally okay. You know, so I don't know. I even said that to Haley earlier today. I was like, he didn't look good. Like, you can look at you and see that you're glowing and that you're trying to heal and, you know, be a better human. And with him, it just kind of looks like he's lost, probably, still.

• 58:14Speaker 03

  That's interesting.

• 58:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 58:19Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 58:21Bunnie XO?

  Do you ever miss him?

• 58:23Speaker 03

  No.

• 58:23Bunnie XO?

  Okay. Moving on.

• 58:26Speaker 03

  I love all the times we had, though, and a lot of it, which is funny, is on camera.

• 58:31Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 58:31Speaker 03

  We went to Bora Bora for the first time together. Like, those were so cool. And obviously, there were so many moments off-camera of love and affection. And, you know, we had little pieces on YouTube, but it was a beautiful relationship. It really was.

• 58:44Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 58:44Speaker 03

  And I had really fell in love with the first time.

• 58:46Bunnie XO?

  It served its purpose.

• 58:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it did, and it was so, it was really great for me, because it really did, like I said, help me heal. And I think it's hard for people, if you haven't really fallen in love, what that feels like. Cause I thought it was made up, and then it happened to me.

• 59:00Bunnie XO?

  He probably helped heal a bunch of childhood trauma wounds, you know.

• 59:04Speaker 03

  Really did, yeah.

• 59:05Bunnie XO?

  Growing up in chaotic households like we grew up in, we searched for that puzzle piece that can make us feel like the, you know, the little kid that we were before.

• 59:14Speaker 03

  And so cliche, when I stopped looking is when it hit.

• 59:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, but hello, I've never dated a fucking, a big guy before. And I literally had sworn off all dudes, and then here comes this fucking big squish. And he fucking just bounces into my life, dude, and I just love him.

• 59:29Speaker 03

  Connect, and he cannot explain it.

• 59:31Bunnie XO?

  At all, like he, it's just seven years, and I just couldn't imagine life without him, so it's gonna happen for you again too. Cause you're a beautiful human, and you deserve to be loved.

• 59:39Speaker 03

  I agree, and I'm, I'm open to it.

• 59:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, well, you guys hear that? Jeffrey's looking. Well, no, Jeffrey's not looking, he's open.

• 59:45Speaker 03

  You never know. Yeah, right now, I'm back in my ho era, I think.

• 59:48Bunnie XO?

  Would it be a regular guy, or would it have to be somebody who's on the same level as you? I would think trying to date you would be hard.

• 59:56Speaker 03

  It is, but I'm also really busy, so it's hard to, right now, want to give a bigger piece of me right now.

• 1:00:04Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  I'm obsessed with my ranch. I'm a real farmer.

• 1:00:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:07Speaker 03

  Like, I'm out there in Louis Vuitton, covered in yak shit. I got over three hundred and fifty yaks, I have four backdrain camels.

• 1:00:13Bunnie XO?

  I know why you love yaks, I've come to the conclusion, because I was pulling up a picture of them the other day, cause I was like.

• 1:00:19Speaker 03

  Diva of all cows.

• 1:00:20Bunnie XO?

  I was like, what the fuck is a yak?

• 1:00:22Speaker 03

  Terminology?

• 1:00:23Bunnie XO?

  Tell me that's not the scene kid of the animal kingdom.

• 1:00:26Speaker 03

  That is a Highland Scottish cow.

• 1:00:29Bunnie XO?

  Okay, well, I thought it was a yak.

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  Very similar, they do look similar.

• 1:00:33Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha, I was like, it's the hair, it's the emo hair, like.

• 1:00:36Speaker 03

  So yaks, those are called, so, the yaks that look like that are called super willies.

• 1:00:39Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  And there's different, like, hair on the yak, but they're all really beautiful, they're like, I call them the diva of all cows.

• 1:00:46Bunnie XO?

  Are they fucking majestic as fuck?

• 1:00:48Speaker 03

  They are.

• 1:00:48Bunnie XO?

  I can't wait, I'm so excited.

• 1:00:49Speaker 03

  I live at the base of a mountain.

• 1:00:50Bunnie XO?

  Can I ride one?

• 1:00:51Speaker 03

  Um, you can ride a camel, no, no yaks, yeah, but you can pet a yak, you can rub one to the ground. They're really cool.

• 1:00:58Bunnie XO?

  And are they just so loving?

• 1:00:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:00Bunnie XO?

  I heard the coolest quote the other day that said, if you want to buy land and fill it with animals, it's because in the time of need that you had during your trauma, that was what the only thing that was there for you were the animals. And I was like, that's me, because I can't wait to dye my hair red and fucking be a gardener and fucking be ugly. And just fucking have.

• 1:01:21Speaker 03

  I don't want to eat horrible food.

• 1:01:24Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:01:24Speaker 03

  That we're probably being poisoned with.

• 1:01:26Bunnie XO?

  What is your diet?

• 1:01:27Speaker 03

  Um, pretty, pretty bad. It's way better now.

• 1:01:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:31Speaker 03

  So let me, let me drop a shot, let me drop a shocker. No fast food, really.

• 1:01:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:36Speaker 03

  Obviously, I've had In-N-Out once or twice a year, but I used to eat and promote fast food like it was part of my thing.

• 1:01:42Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:01:43Speaker 03

  And I do not, I haven't eaten fast food in like three years.

• 1:01:45Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I don't eat fast food either. I ate In-N-Out when we were in Vegas.

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, sometimes you have to.

• 1:01:50Bunnie XO?

  I literally didn't eat in sauerkraut and ground chicken today to just make my tummy feel better.

• 1:01:55Speaker 03

  I love food.

• 1:01:56Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:56Speaker 03

  And I, and I eat a lot of yak now.

• 1:01:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:58Speaker 03

  So obviously I raise them for pets and breeding, but now I have a full meat operation.

• 1:02:01Bunnie XO?

  Do you have certain yaks that you love and they get to live?

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  People always go in on me like.

• 1:02:05Bunnie XO?

  You're killing your pets. Yeah.

• 1:02:07Speaker 03

  The ones I name and I'm rubbing on Instagram obviously are not being slaughtered for meat.

• 1:02:11Bunnie XO?

  You're not taking.

• 1:02:12Speaker 03

  No, we haven't, we're not taking snowflake and snowstorm to the butcher. So we have a whole meat, meat herd, which you'll see when you come to the ranch.

• 1:02:20Bunnie XO?

  I can't wait.

• 1:02:21Speaker 03

  And they're just there for food.

• 1:02:22Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:02:22Speaker 03

  We're in six restaurants now.

• 1:02:24Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:02:24Speaker 03

  Unreal. We're in the busiest steakhouse in all of Wyoming called Fire Rock.

• 1:02:28Bunnie XO?

  I love that. Maybe we'll have to go eat there.

• 1:02:30Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Or we'll cook them at the house, wherever you want.

• 1:02:32Bunnie XO?

  Whatever you want to do.

• 1:02:33Speaker 03

  Yak steaks. So then, of course, I opened up my new store.

• 1:02:35Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:02:36Speaker 03

  The Jeffrey Star store.

• 1:02:37Bunnie XO?

  We're gonna go visit that tomorrow too.

• 1:02:38Speaker 03

  And meat.

• 1:02:39Bunnie XO?

  Okay, so let's, before we get to the store, you quit YouTube.

• 1:02:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:44Bunnie XO?

  You fucking left LA.

• 1:02:45Speaker 03

  After almost nine years on YouTube, billions of views.

• 1:02:50Bunnie XO?

  Did you just have enough?

• 1:02:51Speaker 03

  It ran its course and then the drama from all my old friends, they ruined YouTube. I always, I'm, it's their fault.

• 1:02:57Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:57Speaker 03

  They really did.

• 1:02:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:58Speaker 03

  So they, the last final hurrah was two ex-friends uploaded a video full of lies about me and it literally ruined the internet. It was at a point where people did not want drama anymore. It's on CNN, 50 million views and they're all trying to flip on me because I just keep climbing and climbing. So. We all kinda, and then YouTube itself kinda broke. The beauty industry of YouTube was dead.

• 1:03:22Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:03:22Speaker 03

  We're all getting thirty million views. No one cares anymore.

• 1:03:25Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:03:26Speaker 03

  And it's a new era.

• 1:03:27Bunnie XO?

  The monetization on it has changed even.

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:03:29Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:30Speaker 03

  But the cool thing is all my old videos are still there.

• 1:03:32Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:32Speaker 03

  I get a check every month from Google.

• 1:03:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  It's like residuals on music.

• 1:03:35Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:35Speaker 03

  It's pretty cool.

• 1:03:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:36Speaker 03

  So will I ever upload again? I don't know, maybe. I've been asked when I launched big makeup collections to go back and swatch them in a thirty minute video.

• 1:03:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  Versus this quick TikTok like, how do you promote a collection with ten new items?

• 1:03:48Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:03:49Speaker 03

  With a quick little thirty second. So you never know.

• 1:03:52Bunnie XO?

  I think if anybody can figure anything out, it's you.

• 1:03:54Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 1:03:55Bunnie XO?

  If you can make anything your bitch.

• 1:03:56Speaker 03

  But I was burnt out.

• 1:03:57Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:58Speaker 03

  So we're on twenty years of social media.

• 1:04:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. You just needed a break. Your soul was tired.

• 1:04:04Speaker 03

  And then I discovered TikTok in a good way.

• 1:04:06Bunnie XO?

  When you quit YouTube, did you, was that when you moved from LA to Wyoming?

• 1:04:11Speaker 03

  I'd already lived in Wyoming.

• 1:04:13Bunnie XO?

  Oh, so you had already moved and you were already getting ready to just.

• 1:04:16Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:04:17Bunnie XO?

  You were going through a change.

• 1:04:18Speaker 03

  Yes, a big one.

• 1:04:19Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:19Speaker 03

  And it was, it was a necess, it was necessary.

• 1:04:22Bunnie XO?

  Did you leave LA just because of the, the humans that are there? Cause I tell everybody, like when Leo Scepi came on the podcast, I was like, Leo, don't go to fucking LA. It's not the same as it used to be. It lost its sparkle.

• 1:04:34Speaker 03

  It's lost its magic.

• 1:04:35Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:04:35Speaker 03

  It's really not what it used to be anymore.

• 1:04:37Bunnie XO?

  At all.

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  And I fell out of love with it.

• 1:04:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:40Speaker 03

  And then it was just getting so dark and toxic and just so many weird things are happening behind the scenes. And a lot of people did not want me around anymore because of this moment of like, when all the YouTube drama happened, I was going to expose a lot of people. And this is a tricky conversation. Someone else's, let me word this the right way.

• 1:05:05Speaker 03

  I got cocky and thought that I could expose someone else's trauma and story.

• 1:05:15Speaker 03

  To X out someone else.

• 1:05:17Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 1:05:17Speaker 03

  That person did not want me to. Therefore, this person is still free.

• 1:05:23Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  And that was very hard to deal with.

• 1:05:27Bunnie XO?

  Right. Yeah.

• 1:05:29Speaker 03

  But it was also selfishly wanting to let everyone know this person's a piece of shit.

• 1:05:33Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:05:33Speaker 03

  And it's like, I had to learn through my journey of healing and through therapy that was not appropriate, which is I never did it, obviously.

• 1:05:42Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:05:43Speaker 03

  But those thoughts were haunting me.

• 1:05:44Bunnie XO?

  But your intention behind it was good.

• 1:05:46Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:05:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:47Speaker 03

  Because so many people.

• 1:05:48Bunnie XO?

  You were trying to hurt somebody.

• 1:05:49Speaker 03

  Were supporting someone who is so awful.

• 1:05:51Bunnie XO?

  Right. Hmm. It's that misunderstood thing again.

• 1:05:55Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:05:56Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:56Speaker 03

  Yes. So the internet, as the roller coaster of my career has been, they wanted me to be the villain, I guess, that that year.

• 1:06:03Bunnie XO?

  Everybody needs a villain.

• 1:06:04Speaker 03

  And it was crazy. So this person begged and pleaded me not to share what they had told me. I obviously respected it and never did it.

• 1:06:12Bunnie XO?

  Right. That's still, that's shows that you're a good human. You know, you didn't do it.

• 1:06:17Speaker 03

  And to see this person still out there, they're not thriving like they used to be at all, is just interesting. But the industry does have demon, demonic snakes.

• 1:06:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely. I'll have to, you'll have to tell me who it is later, so I can steer clear of that human.

• 1:06:31Speaker 03

  Oh, his name is James Charles.

• 1:06:32Bunnie XO?

  Oh, no, really? Damn it. Do we need to believe that?

• 1:06:36Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:06:36Bunnie XO?

  No?

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  No, James, you know, you're a biggest, he's the biggest piece of shit in the beauty industry.

• 1:06:41Bunnie XO?

  Wow, really?

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  And he allegedly has done a lot of horrible things. He admitted to talking to minors. He is a fucking piece of shit.

• 1:06:47Bunnie XO?

  So that is true. I just, I always stay out of the drama.

• 1:06:50Speaker 03

  He did a video, allegedly, not allegedly, admitting to sexting minors.

• 1:06:56Bunnie XO?

  So I never knew this. Hey, we had a situation where he used one of my makeup artist's hacks and didn't tag her. So I just, on my backup account, I have a backup TikTok, TikTok account. I was just like, hey, James, we love you, we respect you, but you know, give credit where credit's due.

• 1:07:09Speaker 03

  He wants to be the one that.

• 1:07:11Bunnie XO?

  He did, though.

• 1:07:11Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 1:07:12Bunnie XO?

  I was very surprised. Right. But what's crazy is everybody in the comments started telling me about the pedophile stuff. And I was like, God, I didn't know, you know, like, I stay out of it, but.

• 1:07:21Speaker 03

  One of the most vile human beings on this planet.

• 1:07:25Bunnie XO?

  Lord.

• 1:07:26Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:07:27Bunnie XO?

  That's crazy. Well.

• 1:07:29Speaker 03

  Honestly, and I have never really talked or addressed these things, but he is a literal fucking monster.

• 1:07:37Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  And the fact that he's out there and somehow has a beauty product, I guess, that just came out and A-list celebrities are promoting this alleged child fucker. Yes, Kim Kardashian, we're talking to you.

• 1:07:51Speaker 03

  You're using his makeup, but you didn't care about Blintz Yaga putting child porn on their ads anyway. So two peas go into a pod, I guess.

• 1:07:59Bunnie XO?

  Right. Is, um.

• 1:08:01Speaker 03

  People aren't ready for the truth. Everyone wants to keep their mouths shut and they keep, why?

• 1:08:05Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:08:06Speaker 03

  If someone is bad, let people know.

• 1:08:08Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, I agree.

• 1:08:09Speaker 03

  A-list celebrities literally using this shit.

• 1:08:12Bunnie XO?

  Has he been?

• 1:08:12Speaker 03

  It's all demonic and really dark and all those people, they stick together.

• 1:08:17Bunnie XO?

  Has he ever been charged?

• 1:08:18Speaker 03

  I don't know. I don't think so.

• 1:08:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. I think that's probably what.

• 1:08:21Speaker 03

  Will we see it in the future? Yes, I'm sure.

• 1:08:25Bunnie XO?

  Well, also the Illuminati, though, not to keep bringing that up, but don't they use people like James Charles to bleed into other areas? You know, because they can easily access minors.

• 1:08:37Speaker 03

  The children.

• 1:08:37Bunnie XO?

  Right, yeah.

• 1:08:38Speaker 03

  He is a big problem. And I don't speak on him, but they tried to ruin my career because of all the information I had.

• 1:08:46Bunnie XO?

  Wow. It's really brave of you to.

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  So I moved away. I stood up to all of them, said fuck you.

• 1:08:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:53Speaker 03

  And I left that little LA county. And they're so controlled mentally by it. It's really sad. So.

• 1:09:01Bunnie XO?

  And you're free.

• 1:09:02Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:09:02Bunnie XO?

  You're literally free.

• 1:09:03Speaker 03

  But it's shocking, honestly. It really is. And I never speak about this. People ask me about this shit all the time.

• 1:09:08Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:08Speaker 03

  I don't dwell. I don't really think about them. But when you start, you know, you're interviewing me, we're talking about their literal past.

• 1:09:14Bunnie XO?

  No, I appreciate the honesty.

• 1:09:16Speaker 03

  And it's like, I'm always gonna keep it real.

• 1:09:17Bunnie XO?

  Need to know. It's not fair. Well, you could be saving another child, you know, like.

• 1:09:22Speaker 03

  That part.

• 1:09:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:23Speaker 03

  But they don't, people are not taking it as serious anymore. Or like new people discover someone and they're like, eh, whatever.

• 1:09:29Bunnie XO?

  Well, hopefully they will after hearing you speak on it because somebody such as yourself who's been in the industry for so long, who has street cred.

• 1:09:37Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:09:38Bunnie XO?

  Literally, you know, to be able to stand up to somebody as powerful as him, because he is a powerful dude.

• 1:09:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:43Bunnie XO?

  And say that, you know, maybe people will start listening now.

• 1:09:47Speaker 03

  It's scary. Oh, it makes me sick just like thinking about his name.

• 1:09:50Bunnie XO?

  So sorry. I had no idea.

• 1:09:52Speaker 03

  It was, it was just a really. It was like, yeah, it was 10 times what Trisha did to me is what is what he did.

• 1:09:57Bunnie XO?

  I feel like that whole group is just a cesspool of just.

• 1:10:02Speaker 03

  But I've learned that it's not, I don't need to expose anyone.

• 1:10:07Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:10:07Speaker 03

  I don't need to do any of that. It's all gonna play out how it's supposed to be.

• 1:10:12Bunnie XO?

  It always comes to light.

• 1:10:13Speaker 03

  He knows what he did.

• 1:10:14Bunnie XO?

  Dark always comes to light.

• 1:10:14Speaker 03

  And he is pure evil. Let me just leave it at that.

• 1:10:18Bunnie XO?

  All right. Moving on to more beautiful things. Casper. Take me, take, we're gonna go see this ranch tomorrow.

• 1:10:26Speaker 03

  Drama exploded. I don't know Wyoming's coming, but I'm like, I'm just so over living here.

• 1:10:32Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:32Speaker 03

  And I also had an ego death.

• 1:10:34Bunnie XO?

  I love that you know when to tap out.

• 1:10:35Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:10:36Bunnie XO?

  A lot of people don't know when to do that.

• 1:10:37Speaker 03

  And you know about ego deaths?

• 1:10:38Bunnie XO?

  Uh, yeah, Haley just had one on the PJ last night. She took a.

• 1:10:42Speaker 03

  What? Really?

• 1:10:44Bunnie XO?

  She took a fucking edible and thought she died. She was looking.

• 1:10:47Speaker 03

  No, but I'm talking about like when you, your real ego, like diminishes.

• 1:10:50Bunnie XO?

  Oh, yeah. No, I've been through, I went through a really, uh, bad domestic violence relationship where I almost died a couple of times.

• 1:10:56Speaker 03

  Horrible.

• 1:10:56Bunnie XO?

  That will humble you and literally make you

• 1:11:01Bunnie XO?

  take the shell of the human that you were off and become a different human. Yes, for sure.

• 1:11:06Speaker 03

  I'm playing this in my book, like December 19, I'm single for the first time in five years. I move into the, one of the biggest houses in LA, the big, one of the biggest mansions in Hidden Hills.

• 1:11:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I was a big motherfucker. I remember seeing it online.

• 1:11:20Speaker 03

  Single, 25,000 square feet.

• 1:11:24Bunnie XO?

  Pandemic. Lonely.

• 1:11:25Speaker 03

  Pandemic starts.

• 1:11:28Speaker 03

  We had so much fun. We filled so much content, but I had a realization, sitting in this massive home, surrounded by all these things that it didn't make me happy.

• 1:11:38Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Material shit doesn't make you happy.

• 1:11:40Speaker 03

  No, but I didn't know that because I didn't have time to really think until.

• 1:11:44Bunnie XO?

  You were working towards the goal.

• 1:11:45Speaker 03

  Yes. So I don't know I want to leave California permanently. I just know I want to be away. I want to be in quiet. I want to actually go heal and not pretend and talk about it like all my ex friends. And we, I've been to Wyoming so many times. I've been on tour, right? For years. We passed through here. Oh my God, stunning. So I'm looking around, Jackson Hole is very famous. A lot of celebrities live there, big mansions, no land. I'm like, fuck this. This is literally like going to LA.

• 1:12:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:11Speaker 03

  We discover Casper. It's a small town, 60,000 people, a hardworking town.

• 1:12:17Speaker 03

  People are nice.

• 1:12:18Bunnie XO?

  Country boys everywhere.

• 1:12:19Speaker 03

  Yep. Oil field workers, farmers.

• 1:12:22Bunnie XO?

  There are some really hot fucking oil field workers. I see them on TikTok. I'm like, damn.

• 1:12:26Speaker 03

  Uh huh. Hot UPS workers, baby. Listen. So we, we fly there a few times. We love it. Everyone's really nice. Instead of like LA, well, what do you do for a living? You know how they look you up and down? How can I use you? It's, how are you? I was like, people care.

• 1:12:42Bunnie XO?

  Hear you say.

• 1:12:43Speaker 03

  Y'all really wanna know how I'm doing?

• 1:12:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:45Speaker 03

  I had to train myself to like not.

• 1:12:46Bunnie XO?

  That's how it was when I moved to Nashville.

• 1:12:47Speaker 03

  The guard had to come down a little.

• 1:12:51Speaker 03

  Fell in love with it. I find a property that has a bunch of land for sale around it. End of the road, no neighbors really, silence. Don't know I'm gonna become a farmer and own one yak.

• 1:13:02Bunnie XO?

  Farmer Jeff.

• 1:13:03Speaker 03

  Farmer Jeff's in the building and all of a sudden I have all this land and I'm like, oh, okay. I had seen yaks on tour in Switzerland. Two thousand ten, we're in Geneva. We're going through in the little tour bus. Yak's on the hillside.

• 1:13:18Bunnie XO?

  Could you have ever imagined in two thousand ten that you would own a fucking yak farm? Just that chance encounter with them.

• 1:13:25Speaker 03

  I Google, are they legal? It's a fucking bovine cow. I don't know this though, cuz they're, I've only seen them in other countries.

• 1:13:29Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:30Speaker 03

  I Google it. There's even a yak farm in fucking town.

• 1:13:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:33Speaker 03

  I buy my first three. You know, I can't leave it alone and just have them be my pets.

• 1:13:37Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:13:38Speaker 03

  Now we're.

• 1:13:39Bunnie XO?

  I'm surprised they're not in the house with you.

• 1:13:41Speaker 03

  Sometimes they are, in the kitchen, yeah.

• 1:13:43Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my God, that is hilarious.

• 1:13:44Speaker 03

  The little ones that are trained, they'll come in and out. They're really cute. The dogs love them.

• 1:13:47Bunnie XO?

  I'm gonna cry. Like, that is, I need that. I'm gonna go tell my husband right now, we need land.

• 1:13:52Speaker 03

  And there are yaks in Tennessee, even though it's humid there in the summer and I don't really recommend it. My friend does have a yak ranch out there.

• 1:13:58Bunnie XO?

  My husband, actually, I told him last night about your land in Casper and he was like, dude, let's look for some land. I was like, I'll ask him if he knows anybody that's selling stuff. We're ready. We're, we're trying to get a farm.

• 1:14:09Speaker 03

  In peace and quiet. There's nothing like it.

• 1:14:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. So what does Jeff?

• 1:14:15Speaker 03

  Now we're here.

• 1:14:16Bunnie XO?

  What does Jeffrey do next? Do you just kick up your feet and just fucking relax? Like, does the little boy in you, is he ever gonna be proud?

• 1:14:26Speaker 03

  I'm really proud now.

• 1:14:27Bunnie XO?

  Good.

• 1:14:28Speaker 03

  I am. Running your nine of the brand, two years into skincare. I'm raising Tibetania acts and camels.

• 1:14:34Bunnie XO?

  I mean, come on.

• 1:14:35Speaker 03

  And the farm life is so fulfilling. So last year for six months, I didn't travel, except twice to do photo shoots. Everyone came to me. Jay saw snow for the first time. We did a photo shoot in ten degree.

• 1:14:46Bunnie XO?

  I love your team, by the way. His team is here and they're just amazing.

• 1:14:50Speaker 03

  And we're in the snow, ten inches of snow, shooting the Wyoming winter campaign. Like, we've done so many cool things. So I didn't travel for six months. I got to really become a rancher.

• 1:14:59Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:00Speaker 03

  And it's me and a few guys. We do it all ourselves.

• 1:15:02Bunnie XO?

  You get out there.

• 1:15:03Speaker 03

  All the time.

• 1:15:04Bunnie XO?

  And just bust ass.

• 1:15:04Speaker 03

  Love it.

• 1:15:05Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love it.

• 1:15:06Speaker 03

  It's like my, my big pet project. I'm obsessed with it.

• 1:15:09Bunnie XO?

  I love this for you.

• 1:15:10Speaker 03

  So now we're just growing it. More restaurants. We open, so we just opened up the store.

• 1:15:15Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:15:15Speaker 03

  Which Yellow have performed at, iconic.

• 1:15:17Bunnie XO?

  Meat and makeup. Like, what a fucking crazy concept.

• 1:15:20Speaker 03

  Isn't it cool?

• 1:15:21Bunnie XO?

  And a lot of people. Does it work?

• 1:15:23Speaker 03

  Oh, baby.

• 1:15:24Bunnie XO?

  Yeah?

• 1:15:25Speaker 03

  I'm gonna call my store one of the busiest retail stores in Wyoming history.

• 1:15:28Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:15:29Speaker 03

  And September.

• 1:15:31Bunnie XO?

  And you're there working it. I see you online, just working it.

• 1:15:34Speaker 03

  September fourteenth, two month anniversary.

• 1:15:36Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 1:15:37Speaker 03

  It's a zoo every day, a line out the door. And then I started to like, make up a funny concept. Celebrity Works the Register. It's my own store. I, I'm very hands on with everything I do. So I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna go live and I'm gonna just help the customers out and like ring them up. Let's just see how it goes. I'm on a six hour stream. It's fucking crazy.

• 1:15:58Bunnie XO?

  Insane.

• 1:15:59Speaker 03

  And me and TikTok are good friends now. We've just worked on a really big deal together.

• 1:16:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, can we talk about it?

• 1:16:04Speaker 03

  Working on it.

• 1:16:05Bunnie XO?

  Can we talk about it?

• 1:16:05Speaker 03

  I'm gonna do some announcements soon.

• 1:16:07Bunnie XO?

  Good.

• 1:16:07Speaker 03

  But they are very happy that I joined.

• 1:16:10Bunnie XO?

  Uh, duh.

• 1:16:11Speaker 03

  One of the, one of the highest viewed streamers ever, which is crazy. Um.

• 1:16:16Bunnie XO?

  It's not crazy.

• 1:16:17Speaker 03

  And you guys seen the battles, right? And you've seen people go live, but you can send the gifts.

• 1:16:21Bunnie XO?

  The fucking island boy is always on there.

• 1:16:23Speaker 03

  So the.

• 1:16:23Bunnie XO?

  I can't stand that dude.

• 1:16:25Speaker 03

  I can't.

• 1:16:25Bunnie XO?

  He's a piece of shit also.

• 1:16:27Speaker 03

  There's, they tried to battle me and I'm like, no.

• 1:16:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, they're just not agreeable.

• 1:16:31Speaker 03

  So there's, it's all very addicting and it's very fun. And we're working on some big Jeffrey Star moments.

• 1:16:38Bunnie XO?

  Yay.

• 1:16:39Speaker 03

  Which is so cool to be, and I'm the OG of social media.

• 1:16:43Bunnie XO?

  That's what I was gonna say.

• 1:16:45Speaker 03

  Hottest platform 20 years later to be like, yes, sir.

• 1:16:49Bunnie XO?

  You reinvent yourself. You're like the Madonna of social media.

• 1:16:53Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:16:53Bunnie XO?

  Madonna's kind of, literally, you are, you literally reinvent yourself and you always know how to stay, you know, abreast of everything and just.

• 1:17:04Speaker 03

  He's relevant.

• 1:17:05Bunnie XO?

  Always, always relevant, baby.

• 1:17:07Speaker 03

  It's wild.

• 1:17:07Bunnie XO?

  I love that for you and I love that this, this journey that you're on, I love this Jeffrey right here. Just, you seem so at peace.

• 1:17:14Speaker 03

  Proud of myself. So it's so cool that you said that because I never really talked about that. I'm very grateful. I'm very humbled and I wake up every day like it's my last and I just go hard.

• 1:17:22Bunnie XO?

  I love it.

• 1:17:23Speaker 03

  I think if I'm given this opportunity, I can't be lazy one day out of my life.

• 1:17:26Bunnie XO?

  No. So do you ever think you're gonna be able to rest?

• 1:17:30Speaker 03

  Currently, no.

• 1:17:31Bunnie XO?

  You're a restless spirit like me. I don't, it's like I always have, no matter how proud of myself I am, it's like, okay, what can I do next? Like I have to stay busy.

• 1:17:39Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:17:39Bunnie XO?

  No, I get that. I totally understand that.

• 1:17:41Speaker 03

  And there's so many more dicks to conquer.

• 1:17:44Bunnie XO?

  We didn't even get into the dicks.

• 1:17:46Speaker 03

  Isn't that nice?

• 1:17:47Bunnie XO?

  Isn't that nice?

• 1:17:48Speaker 03

  Finally, someone had me on their podcast and it wasn't about my deep throat. It wasn't about all the band guys and all the athletes.

• 1:17:55Bunnie XO?

  No, I don't like, that stuff doesn't.

• 1:17:57Speaker 03

  It's so, we've already done it all, especially from our past.

• 1:17:59Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it doesn't interest me.

• 1:18:01Speaker 03

  Off camera, maybe I'll show her a picture too.

• 1:18:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, I would like that.

• 1:18:04Speaker 03

  Maybe I'll show her a few A-listers.

• 1:18:05Bunnie XO?

  We can, we can, we can compare notes.

• 1:18:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:07Bunnie XO?

  For sure. But I just feel like there's so much more to you than the dicks you said.

• 1:18:10Speaker 03

  Thank you. And that is fun.

• 1:18:12Bunnie XO?

  You're a fucking mogul, dude.

• 1:18:13Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:18:14Bunnie XO?

  Like you can pick any dick in the world and suck it. You know what I'm saying? You have the choice of dicks.

• 1:18:18Speaker 03

  Audience know that we've maybe slept with one or two of the same people?

• 1:18:21Bunnie XO?

  Um, well, no, but they do now.

• 1:18:27Bunnie XO?

  I never go into, I never discuss about who I sleep with. So Jeffrey, except for that one time when MJ came on my podcast.

• 1:18:33Speaker 03

  Yes, and that, okay, so the reason, not the reason, but it accelerated our friendship. As I wake up one day, oh, it accelerated it, bitch. I wake up one day and I'm on TikTok and I'm just starting my journey. And I'm like, why am I getting tagged in this thing about fucking sucking dick? And I'm like, typical. Then I'm, and it's you and your friend. And we're, and it was just hilarious.

• 1:18:56Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, so my friend, so MJ, MJ Fresh came on the podcast and I get a fucking FaceTime. I'm on the phone with her and I'm like, this is a Wyoming number. Do you think it's Jeffrey? And she's like, no, answer it. And I'm like, no, I'm not answering it because I don't know who it is, you know? Calls three more times and I'm like.

• 1:19:12Speaker 03

  I'm the only Wyoming number she should have on that phone. There's one area code for the whole state.

• 1:19:16Bunnie XO?

  Literally.

• 1:19:17Speaker 03

  Shout out to 307.

• 1:19:18Bunnie XO?

  So I text it and I'm like, you called? And he's like, bitch, this is your new bestie, Jeffrey. And I was like, holy shit. And he's like, so I heard that I'm sucking dick. Long story short, Jeffrey, Jeffrey actually sucked one of my ex's dicks and hooked up with MJ Fresh's ex. So that, that's how it had gotten brought up. And we were just like, shout out Jeffrey. What if I, he's a playa, you know?

• 1:19:41Speaker 03

  So can I ask a question?

• 1:19:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:19:43Speaker 03

  How did she or you know?

• 1:19:45Bunnie XO?

  So.

• 1:19:46Speaker 03

  That's all I've wanted to ask.

• 1:19:47Bunnie XO?

  So my ex, um, told me, yeah, he, we, I'm very open. Yeah. He was like, Jeffrey sucked my dick one night. And I was like, how was it?

• 1:19:57Speaker 03

  The tall one?

• 1:19:58Bunnie XO?

  He said it was very tall and he's fucking built. Like he's got a little baby arm.

• 1:20:01Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 1:20:04Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. I'm deceased.

• 1:20:07Bunnie XO?

  Yes. So he told me.

• 1:20:08Speaker 03

  Very long.

• 1:20:09Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yes. So he told me and I was like, dude, how was it? He was like, it was the best head I've ever gotten.

• 1:20:13Speaker 03

  So I have a photographic memory. Last name?

• 1:20:15Bunnie XO?

  Yes. Yep, absolutely. That's crazy that you know that. She said the tall one, the blonde, blonde, tall blonde. Um, yeah. So when that, when she, when he told.

• 1:20:24Speaker 03

  I'm deceased.

• 1:20:25Bunnie XO?

  When he's.

• 1:20:26Speaker 03

  Well, shout out to him for telling you.

• 1:20:27Bunnie XO?

  And he said it was the best head he's ever gotten. And I was like, too fucking amazing. I need some lessons, obviously.

• 1:20:36Speaker 03

  Why do you think I flew in to do this?

• 1:20:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:40Bunnie XO?

  I love it. I do have a question for you though about one hookup.

• 1:20:43Speaker 03

  Go in and he can fix it on camera. It's funny.

• 1:20:45Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, that's fine. I don't care.

• 1:20:47Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. Can I have a sip? Can we share?

• 1:20:48Bunnie XO?

  Of course.

• 1:20:49Speaker 03

  I'm clean.

• 1:20:49Bunnie XO?

  No, you're fine.

• 1:20:50Speaker 03

  If a guy's flying out, he's getting 24 hour testing with the results to my email.

• 1:20:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Is that, do you meet people?

• 1:20:57Speaker 03

  Not that many people. I sound like I fuck every day. No.

• 1:21:00Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 1:21:00Speaker 03

  Have I met some people? Yeah. Yeah, it's every other day.

• 1:21:03Bunnie XO?

  You have to be very, you have to be guarded. Have you guys ever hooked up? No?

• 1:21:08Speaker 03

  But he, he's seen. Go ahead, tell him. Oh, so, so besides, can I say this or no? So besides doing wigs, Jay also does porn on the side.

• 1:21:19Bunnie XO?

  Nice.

• 1:21:20Speaker 03

  He's a star.

• 1:21:21Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 1:21:23Speaker 03

  Come, Kevin, come on.

• 1:21:33Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 1:21:35Speaker 03

  Cause I'm like, where, where can I go in? Cause I started to get more famous as the makeup brands pop in.

• 1:21:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:40Speaker 03

  And I'm like, I don't want to go to this men's free clinic anymore. People are gonna think, oh, he has something. So he's getting checked. He make up the craziest shit.

• 1:21:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:21:46Speaker 03

  And I'm like, no, I just want to make sure I'm safe and clean, bitch.

• 1:21:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:49Speaker 03

  So I was like, damn, Jay, I don't want to go to this place anymore. People are gonna like take, you know, cause you're in the lobby. Someone goes like this.

• 1:21:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Oh, no.

• 1:21:57Speaker 03

  Oh, my Lord.

• 1:21:58Bunnie XO?

  You can have the rest of it. You're fine.

• 1:21:59Speaker 03

  Thank you. So.

• 1:22:00Bunnie XO?

  They, literally people will say something and it's like word is bond. Like they, they don't have to have any proof. It just spreads like wildfire. Fucking does that shit to me every day.

• 1:22:09Speaker 03

  So Jay hooked me up and, you know.

• 1:22:11Speaker 04

  But I have been on the drive, like I'll just be sleeping and he's like right next to me.

• 1:22:17Bunnie XO?

  So you guys, are you guys like BFFs?

• 1:22:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, like obviously people can turn that into something. So it's like, you know, I'm in a very, very strong clique. We've all been friends for years.

• 1:22:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:27Speaker 03

  So I was like, hey.

• 1:22:28Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 1:22:30Speaker 04

  Thank you, Kevin.

• 1:22:31Bunnie XO?

  Of cour-, well, look, I don't go any, these two are my shadow.

• 1:22:34Speaker 03

  That's it.

• 1:22:35Bunnie XO?

  And Mimi, like when you find your, your squad that you trust.

• 1:22:39Speaker 03

  We've had other employee, like people have tried to fight us. They, they ran and I'm in, I'm literally like.

• 1:22:43Bunnie XO?

  I wouldn't try to fight you guys.

• 1:22:44Speaker 03

  Looking like this and I'm like, I have his back always.

• 1:22:46Bunnie XO?

  I want to see Jeffrey mad, running in full glam.

• 1:22:49Speaker 03

  Swinging.

• 1:22:50Bunnie XO?

  I would pay for that.

• 1:22:51Speaker 03

  Swinging, baby.

• 1:22:52Speaker 04

  I'm like, up and wanted to take a photo, but Jeffrey was having a conversation.

• 1:22:57Speaker 03

  And you know, people have sometimes no boundaries, no respect.

• 1:23:00Bunnie XO?

  At all.

• 1:23:01Speaker 04

  And. The fan was a little drunk and I don't tolerate not to respect.

• 1:23:06Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:06Speaker 04

  But God forbid a public figure or somebody acts on their feelings.

• 1:23:13Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:23:15Speaker 04

  They get bashful, right? Because they don't see the other side.

• 1:23:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Oh, absolutely. There's always two sides.

• 1:23:20Speaker 04

  Give me just one second. Let me finish this conversation.

• 1:23:23Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:23:23Speaker 04

  The fan fell some type of way into a drink.

• 1:23:27Speaker 03

  I haven't had a drink thrown on me. I'm talking.

• 1:23:30Speaker 04

  And this was like a year ago.

• 1:23:32Speaker 03

  I'm talking, the marijuana's hitting. I'm talking 10 years. We're in Casper, Wyoming. She don't have, she can't get her photo right now. She throws a Red Bull can. It splashes my shoulder and it gets on him.

• 1:23:45Speaker 04

  It gets more on me.

• 1:23:46Speaker 03

  Game over. Let's just say game over.

• 1:23:49Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 1:23:51Speaker 03

  It's a wrap.

• 1:23:52Bunnie XO?

  I don't understand how people feel so entitled to somebody's time and body.

• 1:23:55Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:23:55Bunnie XO?

  It's just crazy to me.

• 1:23:56Speaker 03

  But I'm also so nice. I love taking pictures. Look how fucking sickening I look. I want to take a photo with you. I don't want to hide in the dark.

• 1:24:01Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:24:02Speaker 03

  I'm, hey, I'm just having a, people don't care.

• 1:24:05Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:05Speaker 04

  A lot of people also try to think that they can get away with attacking guys too.

• 1:24:09Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:24:11Speaker 03

  Baby, I don't care who it is.

• 1:24:13Bunnie XO?

  If you, don't start none, won't be none.

• 1:24:14Speaker 03

  That's it.

• 1:24:15Bunnie XO?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 1:24:16Speaker 03

  We're not, we're not about the disrespect, but most people are obviously really great. They are.

• 1:24:19Bunnie XO?

  No, and we do this because of you guys. You know, like without you guys, there is no us. So. All right. So I'm going to ask you some questions. We're going to end this on the hot seat. Dude, we've been talking for an hour and a half.

• 1:24:31Speaker 03

  Meeting's about to start. It goes by so quick.

• 1:24:34Bunnie XO?

  Crazy, right?

• 1:24:35Speaker 03

  What's, what's, it's not tripping me out, but it's really cool and amazing when I meet someone and it's like, I've known you for a long time.

• 1:24:42Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love that. That's how I've always felt.

• 1:24:44Speaker 03

  And I've been interviewed a lot. You've been interviewed a lot and so has your husband. And he knows sometimes, or a lot of the time, the vibe, or it's the same fucking question.

• 1:24:51Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:51Speaker 03

  Girl, you don't have anything else to say?

• 1:24:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:53Speaker 03

  And I feel like I've known you for a long time. I love your energy.

• 1:24:56Bunnie XO?

  I mean, I love your energy. I think that's the biggest compliment that you could ever give a human is loving their energy.

• 1:25:01Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 1:25:02Bunnie XO?

  And I've always felt drawn to you. And I watched those three podcasts because I really have not kept up with you. And when I got done watching them, I told my girls, I was like, he is me. Literally, like, we're like the same type of human. It's just crazy.

• 1:25:15Speaker 03

  So she has watched me do a few podcasts and then been on them.

• 1:25:19Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:25:20Speaker 03

  It's, don't you find it weird sometimes of some, how people act on camera with me versus with other people?

• 1:25:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, uh, yeah, I, I brought that up to you before the show. I was like, you know, maybe they're not straight, but we're not gonna say names on.

• 1:25:33Speaker 03

  Can I get a?

• 1:25:35Bunnie XO?

  Yes, exactly. Alright, so this is called the hot seat. I'm gonna ask you a couple, probably like six questions.

• 1:25:41Speaker 03

  I'm ovulating.

• 1:25:42Bunnie XO?

  You have to answer them as fast as you can, okay? Alright, marry, fuck, kill. Kanye West.

• 1:25:49Speaker 03

  Okay, marry, fuck, kill, let's go.

• 1:25:51Bunnie XO?

  Yep, Kanye West, Jelly Roll, Drake.

• 1:25:56Speaker 03

  Oh, this fucking bitch.

• 1:26:03Speaker 03

  I know, oh, I, I, listen.

• 1:26:06Bunnie XO?

  Listen, Inquirer minds wanna know, I feel like Drake swings the other way.

• 1:26:11Speaker 03

  So we're gonna marry Drake, fuck Jelly Roll, and behead Kanye West with a guillotine.

• 1:26:18Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 1:26:19Speaker 03

  And on my life, I have never slept with that man.

• 1:26:21Bunnie XO?

  No, I know.

• 1:26:22Speaker 03

  We've been in the same room. I've fucked a bunch of his friends. I've sucked off some of his homies.

• 1:26:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:28Speaker 03

  I don't like short dudes.

• 1:26:29Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:30Speaker 03

  That, it's like guys that wear eyeliner.

• 1:26:32Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:33Speaker 03

  I, I'm not into short kings. You're not a king if you're short. Cause you, uh-uh.

• 1:26:37Bunnie XO?

  I love tall guys, too.

• 1:26:38Speaker 03

  So, yeah, my average is like a nice 6'4" and up.

• 1:26:41Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:26:42Speaker 03

  Tallest I've been with, 6'10".

• 1:26:43Bunnie XO?

  Cause you're 6'1", right? And you wear heels.

• 1:26:45Speaker 03

  Mr. 6'10" called me.

• 1:26:47Bunnie XO?

  I mean.

• 1:26:48Speaker 03

  He's overseas playing basketball right now.

• 1:26:49Bunnie XO?

  I was gonna say, that's gotta be hard to find, a 6'10'er. What's the weenie on that look like?

• 1:26:53Speaker 03

  Oh, my goodness!

• 1:26:55Bunnie XO?

  Literally.

• 1:26:56Speaker 03

  Oh, Lord. It's giving medium rare, it's giving thick, it's giving stunning.

• 1:27:01Bunnie XO?

  Okay, I'm, I'm for a glimpse, I'm for a glimpse of it. What's the dirty, what's the dirtiest thing you searched on your phone last?

• 1:27:10Speaker 03

  I'm gonna be a disappointment.

• 1:27:12Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 1:27:12Speaker 03

  I don't really search dirty things.

• 1:27:14Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:27:15Speaker 03

  Um, I'm, I'm someone that's really into POV.

• 1:27:18Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:27:18Speaker 03

  I love when people film me on my phone.

• 1:27:21Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:27:21Speaker 03

  Another man has never filmed me on their phone.

• 1:27:23Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:24Speaker 03

  Um, but on my Google searches.

• 1:27:25Bunnie XO?

  That's amazing that you've never let another man film you.

• 1:27:28Speaker 03

  Hell no. And when they come over, your phone's in the car.

• 1:27:30Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:27:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:27:31Bunnie XO?

  Do you make them sign NDAs?

• 1:27:32Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:27:33Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. See, people get mad at me for making bitches sign NDAs.

• 1:27:35Speaker 03

  No, it's real.

• 1:27:36Bunnie XO?

  You have to. You have to protect yourself, dude.

• 1:27:38Speaker 03

  And you also know when you've been doing this for a long time as ex prostitutes, you know someone's energy.

• 1:27:43Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 1:27:44Speaker 03

  Whether they a band groupie, a normal girl on the street, or an escort, you know if someone's trying to be fishy.

• 1:27:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:50Speaker 03

  And you don't think we know if someone's trying to pull a cap.

• 1:27:51Bunnie XO?

  But even if they're not trying to be fishy at that time, once they don't have your time or your attention, then they get fucking shady, dude.

• 1:27:58Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:27:59Bunnie XO?

  Like, that's how people are.

• 1:28:00Speaker 03

  That's a big statement.

• 1:28:01Bunnie XO?

  It's so fucked up. What's the worst thing you've ever sent to the wrong person?

• 1:28:09Bunnie XO?

  We airdrop people on planes, just fucking around all the time. We fucking, we'll like screenshot nasty shit.

• 1:28:15Speaker 03

  When something is near something, I have, but thank God it was with a friend.

• 1:28:19Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:28:20Speaker 03

  Of like, here's a wiener in my mouth.

• 1:28:22Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:28:22Speaker 03

  Like, that could ruin my, not, to me, it wouldn't ruin my career. People would actually like that.

• 1:28:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:27Speaker 03

  But like, you wanna see a picture that Jay took?

• 1:28:29Bunnie XO?

  Sure, I would love to.

• 1:28:30Speaker 03

  This is on a little private jet moment.

• 1:28:32Bunnie XO?

  I'm like, I would love to.

• 1:28:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, and obviously like, hey, would, you know, do, are you down to take a photo? Cause there's, there's weird artists, like there's the R. Kelly side, and then there's like your, your friends and you all have fun side, okay?

• 1:28:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:43Speaker 03

  We're in the very fun side of life. When we're in the private jet and the sky is just blinging, it just looks stunning.

• 1:28:53Bunnie XO?

  Whose wiener is that? All I saw was dick.

• 1:28:56Speaker 03

  Isn't that cute?

• 1:28:57Bunnie XO?

  I didn't see the body it was attached to.

• 1:28:59Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:29:00Bunnie XO?

  That is a huge wiener.

• 1:29:01Speaker 03

  Isn't that cute?

• 1:29:02Bunnie XO?

  Goodness.

• 1:29:02Speaker 03

  Yes!

• 1:29:03Bunnie XO?

  It's very cute.

• 1:29:04Speaker 03

  It's beautiful, right? But I love, and I'm really into like a nice 12.

• 1:29:08Bunnie XO?

  That is huge.

• 1:29:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:11Bunnie XO?

  Do you take that?

• 1:29:12Speaker 03

  So my maximum of deep throating, and I'll admit this on Bunny's show, is a 12 inch.

• 1:29:18Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:29:19Speaker 03

  After that, I can't take anymore.

• 1:29:21Bunnie XO?

  I mean, that's, 12 inches is a lot. Do you take that?

• 1:29:25Speaker 03

  This folder is banging.

• 1:29:27Bunnie XO?

  Alright, let's finish these questions.

• 1:29:29Speaker 03

  Oh my god, look at these Fendi glasses.

• 1:29:32Bunnie XO?

  Good lord, that is beautiful. That was a beautiful penis.

• 1:29:38Bunnie XO?

  That was a different penis, right?

• 1:29:39Speaker 03

  Oh, way different.

• 1:29:40Bunnie XO?

  Okay, I was like, that one's gorgeous.

• 1:29:41Speaker 03

  Those were three.

• 1:29:42Bunnie XO?

  I need to see who that's attached to later.

• 1:29:44Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:29:45Bunnie XO?

  I'm getting for Klimt, she's, he's for Klimt over here.

• 1:29:48Speaker 03

  Who's not doing merch right now?

• 1:29:50Bunnie XO?

  Jack, Jack from Sleeping With Sirens, he's over here.

• 1:29:53Speaker 03

  Never hooked up with him either, but a lot of his friends.

• 1:29:55Bunnie XO?

  We were trying to put.

• 1:29:56Speaker 03

  He's too short.

• 1:29:57Bunnie XO?

  We were trying to put bets on Alex or Jack. I was like.

• 1:29:59Speaker 03

  Neither, on God neither, yeah, too short.

• 1:30:01Bunnie XO?

  We'll bleep this out.

• 1:30:02Speaker 03

  They're both too short.

• 1:30:02Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:03Speaker 03

  No, you don't have to bleep it out, because I didn't.

• 1:30:04Bunnie XO?

  He said too short. What's the grossest thing that comes out of your, that has came out of your body?

• 1:30:15Speaker 03

  Huh, I'm usually really quick.

• 1:30:18Bunnie XO?

  I stumped Jeffrey.

• 1:30:22Bunnie XO?

  Jay's like, I know.

• 1:30:26Speaker 03

  I'm like, I know, because I'm like, I'm very like, I'm so clean, like, I never sweat, I never smell, I'm so like a cleanly person. Something like going out is like, I got hair transplant surgery, so seeing my, so seeing my skin, I know this is the answer people want, but seeing the skin removed while you're awake, and then having it, because you're giving yourself an organ transplant.

• 1:30:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:44Speaker 03

  And then seeing it move to the front was crazy.

• 1:30:46Bunnie XO?

  Was that painful?

• 1:30:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, fuck yeah, it was, and it was worth every penny.

• 1:30:50Bunnie XO?

  Worth every penny? My husband wants that, and I'm like, baby, that's gonna hurt so bad.

• 1:30:53Speaker 03

  The best in America.

• 1:30:54Bunnie XO?

  Okay, oh, he's out here.

• 1:30:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, it takes like two or three weeks to heal, so when he's on the next album, or doing something not on tour, amazing time to do it.

• 1:31:02Bunnie XO?

  Alright, I'll talk to him about it.

• 1:31:03Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:31:05Bunnie XO?

  We got you hooked up daddy.

• 1:31:07Speaker 03

  God, we got you baby, Doctor's Daring, we love you.

• 1:31:09Bunnie XO?

  Alright, would you rather make out with a dude who chews tobacco or go down on a girl on her period?

• 1:31:15Speaker 03

  Girl on her period.

• 1:31:16Bunnie XO?

  His face. I said the same thing, because they could keep a tampon in. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:31:21Speaker 03

  Period.

• 1:31:22Bunnie XO?

  Exactly, and then I just, the.

• 1:31:24Speaker 03

  Wyoming and all the fucking chew disgusting.

• 1:31:27Bunnie XO?

  Chew's gross, or how they spit in bottles.

• 1:31:28Speaker 03

  I don't want to make out with you with that fucking tar on your gums. I'm not doing it.

• 1:31:32Bunnie XO?

  It's nasty.

• 1:31:33Speaker 03

  I'm not doing it. I don't, dude, cigarettes, uh-uh, and then your cum tastes weird, absolutely not.

• 1:31:37Bunnie XO?

  No, yuck, tangy, tangy cum. It's so gross. What's your favorite song right now?

• 1:31:44Speaker 03

  Sexy Red and Sukie Hood Rats.

• 1:31:47Bunnie XO?

  He loves Sexy Red.

• 1:31:48Speaker 03

  I'm obsessed with.

• 1:31:49Bunnie XO?

  Literally.

• 1:31:50Speaker 03

  Hip hop.

• 1:31:50Bunnie XO?

  Ooh.

• 1:31:51Speaker 03

  And then I'm, I'm, I don't even know this person. Oh my God, the penis is still on my phone. Jesus, that was big. Oh my God.

• 1:31:57Bunnie XO?

  No, it was a big penis.

• 1:31:59Speaker 03

  Oh my God, bitch, look at the other angle.

• 1:32:00Bunnie XO?

  No, it's crazy.

• 1:32:02Speaker 03

  That was like a ten and a half.

• 1:32:03Bunnie XO?

  I love how happy you look with a dick in your mouth, though. Like you literally like it's.

• 1:32:08Speaker 03

  It's my happy place.

• 1:32:09Bunnie XO?

  Jay is over here shaking his head right now.

• 1:32:12Speaker 03

  I'm gonna shout out a newer, a newer country artist, Josh Malloy.

• 1:32:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:18Speaker 03

  Fucking incredible.

• 1:32:19Bunnie XO?

  You hunt him?

• 1:32:20Speaker 03

  No, no, no, not yet. Uh, he has a song called Met the Devil in Oklahoma.

• 1:32:24Bunnie XO?

  Okay, I haven't heard of him yet. You have to play it for us on the bus.

• 1:32:26Speaker 03

  It's cool.

• 1:32:27Bunnie XO?

  I can't wait.

• 1:32:27Speaker 03

  And I love country. I just don't do the tobacco, y'all.

• 1:32:30Bunnie XO?

  No, it's so gross.

• 1:32:30Speaker 03

  So if you wanna fuck this face and use me as a basketball, no tobacco.

• 1:32:35Bunnie XO?

  Listen, and I'll tell you right now, the pictures I just saw, I've never seen a happier human with a dick in their mouth.

• 1:32:41Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:32:41Bunnie XO?

  Like you're just lit up like a Christmas tree.

• 1:32:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, besides the like doing makeup, that's my happy place.

• 1:32:46Bunnie XO?

  I love it. I love it. And I love you. I appreciate you coming on the podcast, Jeffrey.

• 1:32:50Speaker 03

  I'm so glad my knee's transplant's healed before I came here.

• 1:32:55Speaker 03

  On a real level, you guys, Bunny is a fucking queen. She's a mogul. She's an entrepreneur and I have so much respect for you and thank you for having me on your show, baby.

• 1:33:02Bunnie XO?

  Thank you for that. I appreciate you so much.

• 1:33:04Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:33:04Bunnie XO?

  You wanna shout out your socia's? I'm sure everybody knows where you're, you're at.

• 1:33:07Speaker 03

  Jeffreystar.com, Jeffreystar on literally everything.

• 1:33:10Bunnie XO?

  And no OnlyFans.

• 1:33:11Speaker 03

  I'm so easy. OnlyFans offered me a lot of money. Almost did it. Started doing all that type of stuff. Didn't take the deal. Didn't need the money, but it was also very exciting, but it's just not time.

• 1:33:23Bunnie XO?

  Not yet.

• 1:33:24Speaker 03

  So in the future, I don't honestly know, but I don't.

• 1:33:26Bunnie XO?

  Hold out like you did with TikTok.

• 1:33:27Speaker 03

  I don't have the desire to right now.

• 1:33:29Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:33:30Speaker 03

  Is there a tutorial coming of me at the twelve inches? I think that would be hot.

• 1:33:33Bunnie XO?

  I think somebody, we need that tutorial. Cause I was told by an ex that he was the best head he ever had and I'm pretty. Listen, I like to pride myself. I can't believe that. Cause it's, listen, this dude has a fucking little baby arm is what I call it. It's like a fucking huge dick.

• 1:33:46Speaker 03

  Anacondas have nothing on me.

• 1:33:48Bunnie XO?

  Crazy.

• 1:33:50Bunnie XO?

  It's gonna be a long trip back to Wyoming.

• 1:33:51Speaker 03

  That's it.

• 1:33:52Bunnie XO?

  Do we have cucumbers on the bus?

• 1:33:53Speaker 03

  All right, y'all. Dislocating jaws since nineteen eighty-five.

• 1:33:56Bunnie XO?

  Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I will see you guys next week. Bye.

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