Kim Kardashian ON: How to Deal with Challenging Times in Parenting & Learning to Love Again

If you love this episode listen to our episode with Kendall Jenner next! https://apple.co/3XexK0s Today, I sit down with Kim Kardashian to talk about self compassion and self love. Kim talks about her experiences as a celebrity and an influencer, how she learned to love and take care of herself more so she can have more love and compassion for others, and the challenges of being a parent of four and running a business at the same time. Kim Kardashian is an entrepreneur, business mogul, and producer. She first gained media attention in her appearances in the reality television series "Keeping Up with the Kardashians," which chronicles the personal and professional lives of her and her family members. Over the years, Kim Kardashian has built a successful brand, including beauty and fashion lines, and has become known for her influential social media presence. You can order my new book 8 RULES OF LOVE at 8rulesoflove.com or at a retail store near you. You can also get the chance to see me live on my first ever world tour. This is a 90 minute interactive show where I will take you on a journey of finding, keeping and even letting go of love. Head to jayshettytour.com and find out if I'll be in a city near you. Thank you so much for all your support - I hope to see you soon. What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 03:55 When was the last time someone didn’t recognize you? 05:02 How often do you take a mental health check and have some time alone? 07:22 How do you manage a life in public with different personas? 09:38 Going out of your way to be of help and support someone in need 12:50 This is what genuine compassion can do for your personally and for others 16:25 Self work can be different for different people and that’s okay 18:02 Putting your own happiness first is a skill that can take time to learn 24:31 Surrounding yourself with people you trust is the best place to be in 29:05 With parenting, everyone says the days are long, the years are short 32:05 Parenting challenges is a lifetime commitment for every parent 36:32 Kids can ask difficult questions and this is how you can be more open to them 38:56 The journey of personal growth through helping other people 40:54 Kim explains that we all make mistakes and the second chance we get makes a huge difference 44:12 “I’ve never been hard on myself, but I am competitive with myself.” 47:03 How can positive peer pressure help you? 52:08 The warm welcoming presence always makes people comfortable and welcome 54:41 When you feel like you’re the worst mom, how do you cope? 01:00:10 Living a good life and being the best example for your kids 01:01:34 Kim on Final Five Episode Resources Kim Kardashian | Website Kim Kardashian | YouTube Kim Kardashian | Twitter Kim Kardashian | Facebook Kim Kardashian | TikTok SKKN BY KIM Skims Want to be a Jay Shetty Certified Life Coach? Get the Digital Guide and Workbook from Jay Shetty https://jayshettypurpose.com/fb-getting-started-as-a-life-coach-podcast/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Jay Shetty?

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• 2:49Kim Kardashian?

  Wait a minute, I'm trying to make everyone happy. I'm doing all this stuff for everyone else but myself. Let me just like pull back a second, focus on myself, and then it seemed like everyone else was happier.

• 3:02Speaker 02

  The bestselling author and host. The number one health and wellness podcast.

• 3:06Speaker 03

  On Purpose with Jay Shetty.

• 3:09Jay Shetty?

  Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world, thanks to each and every one of you that come back every week to become happier, healthier, and more healed. And I am so excited to be talking to you today. I can't believe it. My new book, Eight Rules of Love, is out and I cannot wait to share it with you. I am so, so excited for you to read this book, for you to listen to this book. I read the audiobook. If you haven't got it already, make sure you go to eightrulesoflove.com. It's dedicated to anyone who's trying to find, keep, or let go of love. So if you've got friends that are dating, broken up, or struggling with love, make sure you grab this book.

• 3:51Jay Shetty?

  And I'd love to invite you to come and see me for my global tour, Love Rules. Go to jayshettytour.com to learn more information about tickets, VIP experiences, and more. I can't wait to see you this year. Now, today's guest is someone that I've been wanting to speak to for years and I'm so grateful that I Finally have the opportunity. I first DMed her in 2018. I'm gonna show her in a second. Saying, Kim, I would love to interview you. What did I know? I didn't even have a podcast then. But I'm so grateful that five years on, she's in the studio. I'm speaking about the one and only Kim Kardashian. Entrepreneur, business mogul and producer.

• 4:31Jay Shetty?

  Kim first burst onto the scene in 2007 after the premiere of a hit E-entertainment reality series, Keeping Up with the Kardashians, which my wife is a huge fan on. That ended in 2021 after 20 seasons. And the Kardashian and her family announced in December of 2020 that they had signed a multi-year deal with Hulu to create The Kardashians, which began airing in April 2022 and is currently filming season three. And they're here right now. Kim is passionate about the fight for criminal justice reform and has been studying for a law degree through the apprenticeship program in the state of California. In 2020, she launched a podcast with Spotify, Kim Kardashian's The System: The Case of Kevin Keith, which went to number one.

• 5:15Jay Shetty?

  Kim's the founder of Skims, Skin by Kim. And in September of 2022, she announced the launch of private equity from Sky Partners with Jay Simmons. Welcome to the show, Kim Kardashian. Kim.

• 5:27Kim Kardashian?

  Thank you so much for having me.

• 5:29Jay Shetty?

  Thank you for being here.

• 5:30Kim Kardashian?

  I can't believe you DMed me.

• 5:31Jay Shetty?

  I did.

• 5:31Kim Kardashian?

  In 2018, yeah.

• 5:33Jay Shetty?

  I wanna show you because.

• 5:34Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah. Sorry, it's taken me so long to get back to you.

• 5:38Jay Shetty?

  Do not, I mean, I'm not saying it to make you feel sorry. I'm saying it because I want you to know how much I appreciate you being here.

• 5:45Kim Kardashian?

  Oh my gosh.

• 5:46Jay Shetty?

  There you go.

• 5:47Kim Kardashian?

  Yes. August 4th, 2018. Would love to meditate together. Let me know if it's something you'd like to try. I would love to interview you. Oh.

• 5:56Jay Shetty?

  There we go.

• 5:56Kim Kardashian?

  Well, here we are.

• 5:57Jay Shetty?

  Here we are.

• 5:58Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 5:58Jay Shetty?

  I wanted to say this on camera. We were just talking about it offline just now, but.

• 6:03Jay Shetty?

  Your family has been so wonderful to me in so many ways. And I've had so many beautiful interactions with with Khloe Festival.

• 6:10Kim Kardashian?

  She loves you.

• 6:11Jay Shetty?

  She's.

• 6:12Kim Kardashian?

  That's where I first became aware of you from Khloe sending videos and clips of some of the really positive things that you put out there in the universe. And she, we have a positivity chat for our family. And so we put really sweet things to get us in good moods and motivated and start our day in a really good space. And so you're in there a lot.

• 6:34Jay Shetty?

  I love that. That makes me happy. Yeah. And she was the first. And then I recently connected with the candle and she came on the show and it was just beautiful how openly she shared. And then that led to me meeting your mom at the People's Choice Awards and then having dinner with her recently. And I was just, I want to say this because I think people just don't understand.

• 6:51Kim Kardashian?

  Have you been to a Taco Tuesday?

• 6:52Jay Shetty?

  I have not been to a Taco Tuesday.

• 6:54Kim Kardashian?

  Okay. Oh, sorry. No tattle Tuesday. Tattle free Tuesday. I don't know. I'm getting, I don't want to get in trouble.

• 6:59Jay Shetty?

  Your mom did the nicest thing. So my wife, my wife wasn't there with me, but we're both vegan. And so she had Khloe's chef make us a vegan meal.

• 7:07Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 7:07Jay Shetty?

  And I was saying to you earlier that I literally felt like I was at my friend's mom's house, like that's how she made me feel.

• 7:13Kim Kardashian?

  That's how she is.

• 7:14Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, really beautiful feeling.

• 7:15Kim Kardashian?

  So she is the best. She's so warm. She just loves everyone to feel welcomed. She makes sure everyone is thought of. And that's one of my favorite qualities of her that I will never get over and never forget and always, it's just how she makes people feel.

• 7:31Jay Shetty?

  Hmm. Yeah. Well, I, I hope you feel very welcome and safe today.

• 7:35Kim Kardashian?

  I do.

• 7:35Jay Shetty?

  And I want to dive right in. I, I was thinking about this. You've been traveling so much lately, I feel from what I see on Instagram, like you've been to Paris and Japan and London. And then you're going to be starting to shoot for the new show. And I just feel like you're always on the move. I wonder, when was the last time you went somewhere where someone didn't know who you were? Or actually, was there a moment where someone said to you, who are you? What do you do? Like, when was the last time you had an interaction like that?

• 8:00Kim Kardashian?

  You know what? In Japan, it's like that. You know, everyone's really respectful, even if they might recognize you, they don't ask for photos and it's a really amazing experience. I think it's important, you know, just to, listen, I love my life. I love everything that comes along with it. I am not complaining, but a little glimpse of that, I think, especially for the little ones is so good.

• 8:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, no, that's, that's, that's definitely a beautiful experience. I think it's nice for everyone to feel wanted and loved and then also feel. Unseen.

• 8:31Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 8:31Jay Shetty?

  Like, we almost crave both of those. I was thinking about it today. You're always surrounded by film crews and, you know, you have like 352 million people that follow you on Instagram. I wondered, do you ever, do you prioritize time alone? Do you get time alone? And what does that look like?

• 8:45Kim Kardashian?

  I do. I get up really early. My morning workout really is my, I don't want to say therapy session because it's not like I'm really communicating things, but even if I'm quiet and I'm in my zone, that's my mental health check every morning. I love my workout. It keeps me sane. I can't say that enough. That's my time in the morning. Then as soon as everyone starts to get up for school, the madness happens and it's about two hours of madness from getting four kids ready in the morning, fed, out the door onto school. I drop off school every day and then I have a little bit of time, I'd say about 20 minutes driving back where I just blast my music. I don't take any calls.

• 9:31Kim Kardashian?

  That's my alone time. I love it. And then I get to the house and I start my full workday and I'm committed and focused. And then the madness of bath time, bedtime, dinnertime. And once four babies are asleep and I just cherish that time at night when everyone's asleep and I can watch whatever show I want and just have some alone time. So I do take the time for myself. I think it's really important.

• 9:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, absolutely. You said something beautiful before we started recording and I definitely want to go in that direction because you were talking about the different platforms and how you can show different parts of yourself, but you came here because there was something specific and I'd love to hear that because I want to go in that direction with you.

• 10:11Kim Kardashian?

  I love your podcast. I've seen it and I've seen, I think I just love seeing the reels that pop up with just a quick message that'll get you through the day, that'll remind you who you are, remind you what you need to come across and see at that moment in that day and carry you through the day.

• 10:27Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 10:28Kim Kardashian?

  So I think it's important for people to express like how they feel and who they are a little bit deeper and what's in their heart. And I think that's kind of what this podcast is about.

• 10:39Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And I think, thank you for trusting me. I really do value that and I don't take it for granted. Uh, but the interesting thing there is I feel like

• 10:50Jay Shetty?

  There's a beautiful statement in Japanese culture says that we have three faces. One face we show to the world. The second face we show to our friends and family. And the third face, no one sees. And I wonder, when you're talking about your values and who you are, what's the part of you that you think no one gets to see in all these other places that you want to share today?

• 11:18Kim Kardashian?

  I definitely think I show all my faces. But I do think that people pick and choose what they want to take from you. I do share journeys of mine that have been challenges, whether it's like law school and different projects and how starting a business and all of that. I definitely weave that in throughout. But I think that anytime you have the opportunity to express yourself in a more meaningful way, I think it's always a good thing to do, especially since I'm just a big fan of you and what you represent and who you are. So I always love to share my tips and anything that I've learned along the way. Because God knows, it is not easy.

• 12:01Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 12:01Kim Kardashian?

  Like parenting is so hard, family dynamics, relationships, it is so hard.

• 12:07Jay Shetty?

  It's really interesting you say that because when I was speaking to your mom, she was saying that about you. She was saying that you're the person that for anyone in your family, no matter how busy you are, you'll go completely out of your way. She was telling me about a particular incident, but she was just saying that you will just dive in, book everyone on the flight, get everyone there, get to that person, help them, support them. And even when it's someone who's not directly connected to you, but is indirectly connected. And I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, but the idea of just you reached that far out. And when I was hearing that about you from her, I was thinking that that takes so much compassion and care from your side.

• 12:51Jay Shetty?

  And those are not two words that on some of the other platforms that people may hear about you. But that's what I'm getting, talking to your mother about you. And I wonder. How have you, I feel family is the cause for so much stress for people. It's the cause for so much anxiety for people. And as you said, it's hard. How have you continued to lean in to compassion and care? Even when it's easier to compare and criticize and complain?

• 13:16Kim Kardashian?

  Well, with family, I mean, I was always raised like no matter what. Blood is thicker than water. There's no other options. So we definitely go through our things as sisters. There's no other options like we will work it out. Like we are family, we are sisters, we will figure it out. And I think you just have to, I think also more compassion comes with age. And the more things that you've been through and especially, I think. My heart has opened up so much in that space, just spending time even with people. Behind bars that I'm fighting for, and I might not have even had the slightest idea.

• 13:56Kim Kardashian?

  Of what someone's gone through or even understood taking the time to listen to people. More than maybe speaking and making it about yourself. And my compassion has just grown and my empathy has grown on another level. You can't really judge people for their pace. On when they choose to really want to dig deep into their own compassion and empathy. And when people choose to grow and evolve. But it's so nice to have people that support that journey and grow with you. Because once you realize that this life really isn't about you. And it's about helping as many people as you can.

• 14:39Kim Kardashian?

  All these like doors open up for you and your mind just opens up and. It's a really great place to be when you feel like you have enough. When you would chase things for so long and when you just feel content. It's such a good place to be and it's such an. Like allows for so much more compassion.

• 15:00Jay Shetty?

  I think, and I want everyone to go back and listen to that part. I feel like you just beautifully defined compassion and I'm gonna try and reiterate what you just said. Yeah, it was just, it was so well said because I think people think about compassion as care and you just defined it by pace. And I think when you're patient for the pace at which people grow and evolve, that actually is compassion.

• 15:23Kim Kardashian?

  There's nothing worse when someone is like so woke and they've, they're on this therapy journey and they expect you to be right there with them. But it's a beautiful thing to sit back and watch people make mistakes, learn from their mistakes, grow and evolve and just be there to hold their hand and support them. I think that's what anyone would want. I've seen so many people on these like self-help journeys that just aren't as happy. You know, and I think you just have to like sit back and do what works for you and move at your own pace.

• 16:04Kim Kardashian?

  And understand that it's okay that you're not at the same level as someone else.

• 16:09Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 16:09Kim Kardashian?

  I mean, I'm just such a, like, everything happens the way it's supposed to. I love just people in their own journeys and I, I never try to be so preachy or to think that someone has to be in my place. And at the level where I've evolved to, it's great when your friends have the same kind of epiphanies as you and you want the same things. But then sometimes it's just not like that.

• 16:31Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, definitely. There's, you've, you brought two things to my mind. One was what real love is, like when you really love your family, you don't love them because they change.

• 16:42Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 16:42Jay Shetty?

  You're patient with them as they try to change. That's what love is because they may or may never get to the other side. And the other thing that came to mind is something my teachers would often tell me, my monk teachers, they would often repeat to me that you're never trying to get someone to the next step in your journey. You're trying to get them to the next step in their journey.

• 17:01Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 17:01Jay Shetty?

  And I think you're so right that when we're doing self-work, we are constantly preaching to other people about the things we wanna hear.

• 17:08Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 17:08Jay Shetty?

  And the things we want to do.

• 17:09Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah. And like self-work can just be so different for so many people, you know, like my morning workouts, I swear that's my self-work. My drive in the car every day blasting whatever music I want to, like that is my meditation. That's my zone. And that works for me, you know, when I need help and I need help figuring out different parenting things and different methods that I can use, I will reach out and get the help that I need when I need it for sure. But I also think there's just, there's no like right method of what works for everyone, you know, it's like whatever works for you, good for you.

• 17:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And I feel like when, when people see you and even, even now you're just talking, you have so much trust in yourself or trust in your inner voice. That doesn't mean you're, I don't believe you're saying I always get it right, or this is the only way. What you're actually saying is I've learned to trust my voice. And I wonder, was there a time when you didn't trust that voice? And, or can you remember the first time where you started to hear it? Like, I remember the first time I really started to hear my voice deeply was probably when I was 14 years old. And that's when I could hear this voice inside of myself that was like, Jay, this is who you are, this is what you care about, this is what matters to you. You don't need to be this or be that or do it this way. And I remember I started listening to it then, and now that inner voice is really loud.

• 18:36Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 18:37Jay Shetty?

  It's always there.

• 18:38Kim Kardashian?

  God, I wish I listened to my inner voice at 14.

• 18:41Jay Shetty?

  Do you remember when you first started like, because when I'm speaking, here during you now, you're just like, yeah, like I'm very comfortable with people being themselves and I'm comfortable being who I am, which is beautiful. But when did that, I feel so many people want to live that way, but that's the thing we all struggle with.

• 18:55Kim Kardashian?

  It definitely didn't come right away, you know? I was a people pleaser and I would make decisions based off of other people's happiness for so long. And I would say honestly, in the last few years, definitely at 40, you know, I figured it out of just following my happiness, which was really, I think, an important place for me to get to because I always put other people's happiness over my own. And it doesn't mean you disregard other people's feelings and it doesn't mean you don't care and you don't love them. But it is a great place to be when you finally put yourself first. And I will say that took a long time. And that was like relying on other people for confidence in business decisions.

• 19:40Kim Kardashian?

  And it's great to have your team and to always like bounce ideas and make sure that you're collectively picking the right choice and work thing for you. But true confidence where you feel you're making the right decisions. You know, you got it. You are thinking about yourself first and not just in a selfish way, but like in a protecting your heart way. It feels really good and I might not have gotten there until I was literally 40.

• 20:11Jay Shetty?

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• 20:47Jay Shetty?

  And what do you think it was about the last few years where you had to turn towards that? That pushed you there?

• 20:53Kim Kardashian?

  I've never been an unhappy person. I'm always really happy with my surroundings. I don't need people to make me happy. I'm not really ever searching for something. I'm really content. My babies make me happy, my family, my life, you know, experiences make me happy. But when you just look around and when there's like tension and stress that is just not necessary from work, from relationships, from friendships, and you just decide to be still and

• 21:26Kim Kardashian?

  Not try to please everyone. It becomes just really clear. And you realize that you just want to be happy and you want to share this life and that these experiences with your group of people that you trust and you love and who are super loyal. Like, life is always going to be stressful and you can't control half of it. But if you can control what you put out and how you react to all of life's stresses and your response to all of that, and realizing that you could eliminate a lot of those stresses with making yourself happy first and choosing yourself, then you know you're on the right path.

• 22:05Kim Kardashian?

  And once I did that, and once I chose to choose myself and be happy, so many opportunities just opened up. Things that I never thought in a million years would come my way. It seemed like clear as day that the universe was rewarding me for choosing myself and like elevating, like getting to the next level in the video game. Like, I had to get here and I was always like here, just in my growth process. And once I chose myself, it was like, oh my God, the whole, the universe is opening up for you and all these opportunities are coming my way. And those were the confirmations that I was heading in the right direction. I remember saying that to one of my sisters.

• 22:49Kim Kardashian?

  I was like, oh my God, it is so crazy. I got this opportunity, this opportunity, this is changing, this is changing. And it seemed like all these amazing things started to happen in my life. When I just took a second, was still, realized, wait a minute, I'm trying to make everyone happy. I'm doing all this stuff for everyone else but myself. Let me just like pull back a second, focus on myself. And then it seemed like everyone else was happier because everything was just falling into place. And that was like, I saw it clear as day and that would like push me and motivate me to continue to just be happy and do what I wanted to do instead of what other people wanted to do.

• 23:34Kim Kardashian?

  And that was like, it was like a good feeling. It really like showed me that I was making the right decisions.

• 23:42Jay Shetty?

  I'm so happy for you.

• 23:43Kim Kardashian?

  Thank you.

• 23:43Jay Shetty?

  Genuinely.

• 23:44Kim Kardashian?

  It's like a good place to be when you're genuinely a happy person. You know, like no complaints. Like not taking things too seriously, not taking yourself too seriously is also a little key to happiness.

• 24:00Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I think the energy that gets lost in worrying about something versus working towards fixing it or solving it.

• 24:09Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 24:10Jay Shetty?

  Can just drain.

• 24:11Kim Kardashian?

  The worrying, the worrying, if you worry about something, it's not going to change the outcome. Let's just come up with a solution. Like, let's say what the problem is, not complain, I'm not a complainer. So it's like, let's just get to the solution, let's figure it out, and let's move on.

• 24:30Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely.

• 24:31Kim Kardashian?

  Nothing worse when you complain every step of the way.

• 24:35Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and it's, and it's natural and it's easy, but it, we all know it doesn't get you to where you want to go. And, and I think that's, that's a big reason. What's the, I wonder with what you were saying, one of the big things that comes out as you were talking about family and people in your life, and you talked about your life is chat. Like, there's this, loyalty is such a big value for you.

• 24:55Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 24:56Jay Shetty?

  Across your life, it seems.

• 24:58Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 24:59Jay Shetty?

  What have you learned about people that you wish you learned sooner? Was there something that you started to learn and recognize patterns in people and that has made you better now, but you wish like, ah, if I learned this a couple of years sooner, then it could have saved me a lot of the distress and challenges that came up?

• 25:16Kim Kardashian?

  Don't take anything personally. I've been really blessed to have really great, solid relationships. I have the same group of best friends, we went to preschool together. We talk every single day. My best friend is my best friend since the day I grew up, you know, when I was born. The people I work with, my family, my sisters, but my best friend's sisters also, you know, and everyone I trust a hundred percent.

• 25:44Kim Kardashian?

  Everyone is so loyal, a hundred percent. You can't come up to me and tell me something about one of my friends. If like someone were to say, oh, this person said this about you and they're in my circle, I would be absolutely not. Like, I would trust that a hundred percent. And I think that's so rare, or what I've seen is so rare. And I just feel so lucky to just love everyone around you, trust everyone around you. They trust you. My friends know they can call me any hour. I'll be the first one to pick up and help. All of my friends would drop everything to help me in a situation.

• 26:25Kim Kardashian?

  And to have that real support and love, I think, is everything in life. To have loyal, supportive people around you.

• 26:32Jay Shetty?

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• 28:58Kim Kardashian?

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• 31:22Jay Shetty?

  I think that says a lot about you and the family because I wonder what it takes to hold on to a relationship like that when you're on a rocket ship. Right? I feel like all of us deal with shifts in our life, transitions, and family and friends that we want to hold on to, but it gets harder and harder, especially when there's success, when there's envy, when there's competition. And sometimes it's not because someone doesn't love you, doesn't care about you. It's so natural in the world we live in. And so what does it really take? Because I think this will help a lot of people. What does it actually take to hold on to someone you love? And continue with all the noise and all the challenges and all the stress that comes with it? What does it actually take? Because

• 32:05Kim Kardashian?

  But then there's those friends that you don't have to talk to every day. I mean, thank God for group chats where you can chime in and heart something really quick, you know? But like, your real best friends will also support you. And it take, but it's, it takes that mutual respect. Because what my friends are doing, if they have something that's important to them, it's just as important for me to show up for them as it is for them to show up for me. I might have a more colorful life and a bigger event that I'm asking them to show up to. But it doesn't mean that theirs isn't just as important. So I think just having that mutual respect, treating people with respect is just

• 32:42Kim Kardashian?

  A given, I truly think someone is such a solid person when they have really grounded relationships, grounded in love and, and relationships can be different things. You know, sometimes you have your group of girlfriends that you love to go on vacation with, and then sometimes you have, you know, your other friends that you work really well with. Every relationship can be different. If you have just a mutual respect around the, across the board, that's, I think, the number one thing.

• 33:10Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it takes two.

• 33:11Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 33:11Jay Shetty?

  It takes two. That's the point. It's, you're not going to be able to create it or falsely hold on to it, someone who doesn't

• 33:17Kim Kardashian?

  Totally.

• 33:18Jay Shetty?

  Want to give you that respect.

• 33:19Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 33:19Jay Shetty?

  It's not going to happen. Yeah. You were talking about earlier about parenting and you brought it up a few times and I wonder how you view-

• 33:26Kim Kardashian?

  You don't have kids, do you?

• 33:27Jay Shetty?

  Not yet, not yet.

• 33:28Kim Kardashian?

  Okay. We'll have this conversation again when you do.

• 33:31Jay Shetty?

  Yes, absolutely. That's what I'm asking. That's what I'm asking parenting questions. What was your vision like for what you thought parenting was going to be like versus what it actually is?

• 33:40Kim Kardashian?

  Everyone says the days are long and the years are short, and that couldn't be like a more true statement. So like when you're in it, I mean, especially when they're babies and you're feeding and you're, there's madness going on, it's like full madness. It's the best chaos, though. Like my mornings, you have no idea what's going on. It's like, I always have to do one of my daughter's hair and it has to be perfect and it has to be a certain way and then this one needs me to put his shoes on and that they all need you and they all, it's like full crazy madness, cooking, running around, like it's, it's wild.

• 34:21Kim Kardashian?

  That's why I need my workout in the morning, just to like prepare for the two hours of craziness. I'd say parenting is the thing that has taught me the most about myself. It has been the most challenging thing. There are nights I cry myself to sleep, like what just happened? You know, with all the moods and the personalities and sometimes they're fighting and there's no one there, like it's, it's me to play good cop and bad cop. So like that is definitely a challenge when, you know, something I'm working on is being a little bit firmer, you know? There is nothing that can prepare you. Anyone, any person that says, oh, we're waiting to-

• 35:03Kim Kardashian?

  Have X amount of money in the bank. Oh, we're waiting to have a home before we have kids. Oh, I'm waiting for this job to come in before we have kids. I don't care how long you wait. I don't care what you're waiting for. You were never prepared, but you will figure it out. And it will make you so proud of yourself that you figured it out and that you got through the day. And sometimes it's nights where it's just, we are going hour by hour to see if we're gonna survive. Night by night. If a tantrum comes in, oh my God, your life is completely upside down.

• 35:41Kim Kardashian?

  But it teaches you so much more about yourself than I think anyone, any parent could have ever anticipated. I mean, there is nights when you don't wash your hair for days as a mom and you have spit up all over you. And you're wearing the same pajamas, you know? And there's just nothing that can prepare you for this experience. It is the most challenging, rewarding job on this planet.

• 36:10Jay Shetty?

  When was the moment when you were looking into your baby's faces and?

• 36:14Kim Kardashian?

  Said, I wanna run away.

• 36:18Kim Kardashian?

  I need to hide for a night. Every night, I'm just kidding.

• 36:21Jay Shetty?

  No, yeah, no, thank you. It's, I mean, it's honest. I think there's, there's a little bit of truth in that feeling that a lot of parents have. What's, what's the hardest? When you've been looking, when you look into their faces and you had one of these moments where you were learning these lessons? What was the hardest lesson you had to learn about yourself that made you go, whoa, I didn't? I didn't see that before. If it wasn't for that kid, I wouldn't have seen that.

• 36:44Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah, it happens all the time. I always think everything in life comes our way to really teach us something.

• 36:53Kim Kardashian?

  And it's a really hard task when you have four kids and you know, they all want to be put to bed at the same time by the same person. And they all want to do it individually and have that experience. And no one wants to wait. And I'm locked in a room with kids banging outside of the door because they want me to put them to bed. And I'm like, I can't cut myself in four pieces. So we're gonna have to schedule this out. And we're coming up with the schedule and none of them want to listen to the schedule. And then they all start crying. And that's like a typical night, you know? And so I like sit them outside of my one daughter's door. And I'm like, I'll pick you up next. We're doing this for 15 minutes. And they can't be patient. And they're banging on the door, come on, it's been five minutes, you know?

• 37:34Kim Kardashian?

  It's like, those nights are every single night. Big school projects, big things that are happening. And they don't understand that I work, or I have a school schedule too, or you know, stuff kids will never understand. So I think it's just those nights when you can't divide yourself and you have to just work with what we have and try to bribe two of them to get put to bed at the same time, you know? I think unless you're a parent, like so much respect to parents, so much respect to people also that aren't parents, that want to live their free life, enjoy it while you can. I was

• 38:16Kim Kardashian?

  at Easter on Palm Springs and I looked at my mom's house and she had her table set for all of her kids, all of her grandkids. And we're all staying in her house. And I was like, it's, it's a forever thing. It's not like, hey, okay, you're 18 and you're on your own. It's a forever thing. And we're in our 40s and we're still coming at her and fighting and asking my mom to resolve everything. And I look at her and I'm like, how did you do it? I personally can't wait for my kids to get a little bit older. Everyone like is so afraid of the teenage phase. I'm so excited for it. Play this back for me when they're teenagers. But I see the relationship I have with my mom, and I knew the relationship I had with

• 39:00Kim Kardashian?

  my dad and how comfortable we were talking to them about all of our problems and all of our friends stuff and all of the drama and all of the high school stuff. And even the stuff I talk to my mom about now and how open I am about life and relationships and how close we are, even if we didn't get it as a kid, I can look at her now and say, I get it. As a mom now, as an adult now, I know why you made those decisions. And I love having that relationship. And that is why I wanted to have four kids. I saw my mom, you know, and my dad had four together before she had my two little sisters. And I loved the big family and I always knew I wanted to have four kids.

• 39:42Kim Kardashian?

  And I, I just love so much our relationship with her and my grandma. And I just can't wait to have that with my kids. I can't wait till they're old enough to understand so much that I can never explain to them now, that they'll get one day and we can laugh about it.

• 39:58Jay Shetty?

  That's so beautiful. Yeah. You reminded me of a, a beautiful old saying that says, "The day you realize your parents were right, your kids are telling you that you're wrong."

• 40:09Kim Kardashian?

  Mm hmm. So true.

• 40:11Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And it's like that idea of just your, when you're a little boy, you're like adore your mom. At least I did until like 13 years old. Then you become a teenager and you think you're too cool for your mom.

• 40:21Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 40:21Jay Shetty?

  And then in my twenties.

• 40:22Kim Kardashian?

  You're always back.

• 40:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 40:23Kim Kardashian?

  I have like contracts with my sons. I'm like, you're never gonna leave me. We always have to be besties. You're never gonna be too cool for me. And they always say yes.

• 40:32Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 40:32Kim Kardashian?

  I'm like, you can live with me in your twenties, your thirties, never move out. They said, okay.

• 40:38Jay Shetty?

  They've signed the contract?

• 40:38Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 40:39Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And they have no idea?

• 40:40Kim Kardashian?

  They'll, they'll breach it.

• 40:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 40:41Kim Kardashian?

  It'll, it'll be okay.

• 40:43Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you won't sue them.

• 40:44Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 40:44Jay Shetty?

  But, but the, I, I wonder how in your position, like, you know, what you just described is what so many people go through. And like you said, it's so hard for them to experience that. But when you're explaining things like the paparazzi or like you're saying that when you're in Japan, like you didn't have that experience and that was so nice for the kids. Like, how do you walk them through the nuances of the life that you lead? And I'm guessing a lot of their friends also have similar lives, but I'm sure they have some friends who, who don't have parents like yourselves. And so how, how do you help them reconcile? Or what are the kind of things that you talk about with them? Or what can they understand at this age? And what are you like, well, that's just gonna have to wait?

• 41:21Kim Kardashian?

  I'll talk to my kids about anything they want to ask me about. I am so open and honest with my kids. I think that's the only way to be. And it could be things that they might not understand. And I'll wait to find the appropriate time to talk about it. I think they grew up seeing the cameras and they grew up seeing that even as babies. You know, we'd walk out and there'd be paparazzi. So it's not really something that they. Acknowledge a lot, but you know, my daughter's really vocal. She'll tell them when she doesn't want them around and to leave her alone and to stop. And I love that they use their little voices, but they also have such a normal life and such a different life away from all of that, too.

• 42:04Kim Kardashian?

  And that's why I love that my sisters and I all had babies at the same time so they can be with each other and have these experiences together.

• 42:11Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. I, when I'm, you know, there's all the words that come out from you are like togetherness, loyalty. It's, it's incredible to see it in family, but I think what you've then done, which when I saw you do this, it, it really moved me when, when I saw you kind of move into that direction of justice reform and using your voice and training to be a lawyer to make these, these changes in the world out there. Because I find that, you know, there's, there's a natural sense of survival as a family. But then when you start taking into account the survival of others, there's an extension of love and, you know, what goes out to the world.

• 42:50Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 42:50Jay Shetty?

  I think it was really special to see that. And this podcast is called On Purpose for a Reason because I think everyone's searching for their purpose. Would you say that that was a expression of purpose or?

• 43:01Kim Kardashian?

  Absolutely. I mean, I think that's one of those moments, like by chance, I happened to be looking on social media and seeing a case that I just didn't understand. And I'm always a really curious person, so I'll never let something go if it's weighing on my heart to not at least try to figure out how it happened. I've always been really interested in crime stuff and solving things and figuring things out. So when I saw a case of a woman that just didn't make sense to me, I was really curious and I sent this little video that popped up on my Twitter to attorneys that I knew really well that could answer questions for me.

• 43:43Kim Kardashian?

  And then when it seemed like I couldn't just sit there, it was really weighing on my heart when I felt like it was so unfair. I didn't know that there was like thousands of cases that were so unfair. I just thought, oh, wow, like I have to help this person. And then when I was successful in doing that, on my journey, I realized like, wait, there's so many more people like this. Like I can't not do something. And I think that that also goes with whatever's meant to come to you at your own pace for your own learning levels is what's meant to be because that came to me. I wasn't like searching for that and that changed my life and it changed who I am.

• 44:24Kim Kardashian?

  I just can't sit around and see this happen to other people that aren't deserving of their freedom. I think just everyone's on their own path and things will come to you when you need to be like elevated to that growth level. And I'm really grateful for those experiences because I definitely think that that's my purpose.

• 44:48Jay Shetty?

  What internal changes did you see in yourself that that maybe you didn't see before? When you started doing this work, like what did you have to grapple with internally? Was there anything that you had to break through inside? Yeah, what were those things?

• 45:02Kim Kardashian?

  I would say I always felt like I was a compassionate person and a caring person. And I always cared about people's feelings. But my level of empathy was at a completely different level when I started. I might have been way more judgmental and I would think that someone that was behind bars, especially for a really lengthy or a serious crime, that they probably were absolutely guilty. I had no compassion. I was just really judgmental. And then when I started to hear about these cases and people's backstories and their histories and realized that so many people really didn't have the opportunities to be better and didn't know better.

• 45:47Kim Kardashian?

  It really changed my whole life. And like my level of empathy is just so different than what it was years ago. And I think that's why I fight so hard for people to get second chances because people make really bad choices and really bad mistakes. Some way, way worse than other people. But if you're never given the chance to change, that's really sad. Especially if you make a really bad decision as a teenager and then you're in your 40s and you're given no shot to change when you really already maybe have so much. It was really important to me to express that and help people that have made those changes.

• 46:33Jay Shetty?

  And I love how I'm assuming that when you do something like that in the outside space, it kind of applies to your whole life where all of a sudden, you're so right that I think we all, not even people behind bars, I think we all judge people all the time.

• 46:46Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 46:46Jay Shetty?

  And when you're almost doing it in such an extreme way and raising your empathy in such an extreme environment, you can now extend that and express that to so many more people.

• 46:55Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 46:55Jay Shetty?

  Because you've had to do it in a way where you were like, oh, definitely that person deserves it.

• 47:00Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 47:00Jay Shetty?

  And all of a sudden, you start realizing, maybe they didn't deserve that.

• 47:04Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 47:04Jay Shetty?

  And so maybe we don't deserve this. I think, you know.

• 47:06Kim Kardashian?

  But in all levels of life of judgment, I used to judge people and like their relationships and how people lived their lives. And now I'm like, whatever makes you happy, why should we judge? Who are we to say how people should live their lives? My judgment is just, I don't know if it comes with age or experience or just going through so many things, but just be happy. You know, isn't that what life is about? Experiences, making people feel heard and seen and appreciated and just having gratitude for the things in life that we're so blessed to have and work for. And if we're surrounded by the people we love, we are, that's real success.

• 47:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 47:52Kim Kardashian?

  You know?

• 47:52Jay Shetty?

  I agree. And I feel that a lot of people start getting better at that with the judgment outside. But one of the things that people struggle to deal with the most is the judgment in their head. And I wonder, do you find that you ever catch yourself judging yourself and being hard on yourself and being heavy and harsh on yourself?

• 48:12Kim Kardashian?

  No.

• 48:12Jay Shetty?

  You've been able to give that up?

• 48:14Kim Kardashian?

  I'll be like competitive with myself. I think I'm a really competitive person, but I'm pretty, I'm pretty easy on myself.

• 48:22Jay Shetty?

  Wow, that's incredible.

• 48:23Kim Kardashian?

  I was always like really calm, really easygoing.

• 48:27Jay Shetty?

  That's a real achievement.

• 48:29Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 48:29Jay Shetty?

  And I'm sure you see people judging themselves all the time.

• 48:31Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 48:32Jay Shetty?

  I was grabbing some coffees for my team a couple of months back or something. And I remember like I was paying the cashier and she gave me the change and I was grabbing the change and walking off. And she was like, wait, wait, wait, I'm so stupid. I'm so stupid. I got the change wrong. And I was like, I didn't even notice. And I looked and I was like, oh, okay. Like I was like, you're not stupid, like easy mistake. And you could see the look on her face, like she was judging herself so harshly for something so small. And I guess when you see people judge themselves, then how do you, how do you respond to that? Or how do you support them?

• 49:06Kim Kardashian?

  Honestly, I really haven't experienced that much.

• 49:09Jay Shetty?

  Hmm. That's fantastic.

• 49:11Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 49:11Jay Shetty?

  That's amazing. And I, and I love hearing that because I think it is so true that you can curate and create a community around you that has similar values.

• 49:20Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 49:20Jay Shetty?

  And then almost you don't even.

• 49:21Kim Kardashian?

  I see a lot of like determination and a lot of like creativity, a lot of hard work. Like if I were to go on vacation with my girlfriends, we'd all be getting up probably at 6:00 AM. All want to go on a workout. I don't think there's that one girl that would be like, I'm sleeping till 10 and I'm not working out, you know? So I think that obviously everyone around you is different and has different personalities. But I think a lot of my core friends are really like minded.

• 49:51Jay Shetty?

  Hmm. Yeah. And sometimes that positive, positive peer pressure can be really healthy too, like.

• 49:56Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 49:57Jay Shetty?

  Even if you have that one friend who's struggling, as soon as you're added to that group.

• 50:01Kim Kardashian?

  Totally.

• 50:01Jay Shetty?

  You see them elevate. I've seen that with so many of my friends that.

• 50:04Kim Kardashian?

  Totally.

• 50:04Jay Shetty?

  Even if there's one person who's struggling with something, as soon as they're in that pack.

• 50:08Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 50:08Jay Shetty?

  All of a sudden you start to see them break through their ceiling.

• 50:11Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 50:11Jay Shetty?

  And, and it changes for them.

• 50:13Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah. I think something that I've learned.

• 50:17Kim Kardashian?

  Maybe the hard way, because I feel like I'm at a really good place now where the people in my life, I feel really solid. I think this is the first time in my life, obviously, I've had really long relationships with my girlfriends and friends since elementary school. But something I learned is that you cannot help people that don't want the help and don't, you can't force your beliefs and project that on someone that thinks something totally different. And it's okay to have those different views. It's why the world goes around, you know? But if you don't align in the same values and morals and things

• 50:56Kim Kardashian?

  at your core, then it's okay to realize that this life is so short and you should go and find the people that do align with what you really believe in. And I think sometimes there's so much going on that you can be blinded by so many other things that if you don't stop and think about what someone's true values and morals are and how they want to live their life, so much other things are going on. So I don't blame people that don't really stop and think about those things. I mean, those are some of the lessons that I would teach my kids when they're looking for friends and partners and relationships.

• 51:39Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah, you can't really force things upon other people. You can't expect them to be where you're at, at your level. And sometimes that could really coexist really well. But then sometimes it really can't. You have to let go of the idea of molding people into what you want. Think about if there's something about yourself that you really want to change, the expectations of going into something and thinking you're going to get a different result, or thinking you have the power to change someone is so selfish and so crazy. And everyone does it. And everyone has to learn on their own. And that's something that I've always like sat back, helped friends, given them advice,

• 52:22Kim Kardashian?

  but never really pushed because even if I were to say, hey, don't walk down that path. Trust me, I've been there. You don't want to go there. And they say, okay. And they follow you and they go on a different path. They'll never learn that lesson. They have no clue what I'm talking about. You know, I could say parenting stuff to you all day long. With all due respect, you have no clue until you've been through it. I welcome people's journeys and their lessons. And I'll always be there to the people that I love to help them through that. But they gotta go through that in order to grow on their own.

• 52:57Jay Shetty?

  What's the biggest lesson you learned from your mom that you're trying to pass on to the kids?

• 53:00Kim Kardashian?

  I think just how she makes people feel really heard and welcomed. She really is the most warm, welcoming person. And it's just like her overall, it seems superficial, but it's not like her party planning skills. It's not even that. It's just the welcomingness of, I don't even know if these are words I'm saying, but like just her ability to be so warm and to make everyone feel like they were invited here. I'm going to create this like special Easter dinner with like the things on the table, you know, that she had when we were growing up at my dad's house. Like she just has all this like really special nostalgic stuff around all the time and always tries to make everyone feel so special,

• 53:46Kim Kardashian?

  but with like a gathering.

• 53:47Jay Shetty?

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• 54:47Kim Kardashian?

  Things so that everyone feels comfortable and can hang around. Like she just loves people in her space and loves to create these memories. And I think that we all got that from her and we will all, if I can just pass that on to my kids, just the experiences that we have as a family, whether we're just sitting in our pajamas and hanging out, we make the time to be together. And I hope that my kids want to make the time to be together when they grow up with their cousins and their aunts and just the whole family.

• 55:21Jay Shetty?

  I'm sure they will.

• 55:22Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah, I think they will too.

• 55:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I think you've managed to hold on to it in your entire generation. And so they see that. I think kids mirror so much of what they see around them. And I remember when I met my wife, her grandma is her favorite human on the planet. And it's really interesting how when someone you love, you know who their favorite human is. You automatically start loving them. And I wasn't really close to my grandparents, but I'm closer to Riley's grandma than I am to my own grandparents because you see your love for the person that you love. And so I think when your kids see the love that you have for your sisters and your cousins and your aunts and uncles and parents.

• 56:00Kim Kardashian?

  Now, if only all my kids can love their siblings, that would be amazing. They're in a fighting phase.

• 56:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And you guys went through that phase, I'm sure.

• 56:09Kim Kardashian?

  We went through it too.

• 56:10Jay Shetty?

  It's still going on.

• 56:11Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah, still going on.

• 56:14Kim Kardashian?

  Never ending.

• 56:14Jay Shetty?

  That's never gonna stop. Kim, I feel like you travel so much. You have so many businesses. You're now gonna be on a TV show, like another TV show. I mean, you've got so much things happening in your life. And I'm sure there's moments where whether the kids say something or don't, I know a lot of people in my life feel a lot of mom guilt.

• 56:33Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 56:33Jay Shetty?

  And moms carry it with them. Have you experienced that with your friends, your family?

• 56:37Kim Kardashian?

  Absolutely. Mom guilt is probably the hardest thing. I think that you have to also separate though, and understand that you need your own bit of sanity. So you have to do what makes you happy. You have to, if working, for me, I love working, so that makes me happy. Anytime I think something's really hard, I dive into work. And or if there's challenges, like I love to dive into my work. And that's like a bit of my therapy and my routine to keep me going. But I think, you know, I have chats with my girlfriends when our kids are having tantrums and there could be things going on that we don't even

• 57:16Kim Kardashian?

  know about. And you feel like you're the worst mom. If something's going on and you can't fix it, you have no idea how to change it, your kids are fighting, whatever it is. And my friends and I will text each other and be like in tears, literally locking ourselves in the room, like away from a kid having a tantrum, when that's not what you should do. You should go and lean into them. And but sometimes it's so overwhelming, that was probably the only time I'd be hard on myself, is, am I a good mom? I try to do everything. And I think how to balance work with that is when you're home, being really present. Kids, all they want is time.

• 58:01Jay Shetty?

  Mm hmm.

• 58:02Kim Kardashian?

  They just want your time.

• 58:03Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 58:04Kim Kardashian?

  You can give them all these amazing big experiences and they'll remember them and they're great. But they'll always remember you being present. And I think that's just the most important thing in all of your relationships. Think about what a kid wants. A kid just wants your time. So why wouldn't everyone else? You have to kind of treat everyone like that if you want these like meaningful relationships in your life. And you have to be present. And it's okay to feel like you are not a hundred percent at being the best mom. I say this all the time, we, there's no manual. They do not come with a manual. Everyone's doing the best that they can.

• 58:47Kim Kardashian?

  And I just feel so lucky that I have a good group of girlfriends. And all of our kids are experiencing different things from, I mean, imagine all the things that they, a divorce, everything that they have to go through. We're okay. They will be okay. And they will feel the love and support. And that's all you can do. It'll be okay.

• 59:08Jay Shetty?

  And I'm sure that's hard for you because you were saying that you're so competitive with yourself. You want to be the best at everything.

• 59:13Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 59:14Jay Shetty?

  But I feel like being the best mom must be the hardest

• 59:17Kim Kardashian?

  Hardest job in the world.

• 59:18Jay Shetty?

  Thing to ever live up to.

• 59:19Kim Kardashian?

  Absolutely. And I'm very confident. So every year I write each one of my kids about a four or five page letter about, on their birthday, about what the year was like, who their friends are, silly words they're saying, their favorite foods, all the silly things that they do. And a little journey of what the year is like. And it's so fun to see from the first year now, you know, one of them almost 10 years old. And just to, I know that they'll appreciate this. I know that they'll appreciate everything that they might have thought I was being a little harsh on, me protecting them. I know that they'll, they'll get it because I got it with my mom. And I know they'll get it with me.

• 1:00:03Jay Shetty?

  You've reminded me of something beautiful that I want to share that. So my mom and dad are both immigrants in London, which is where I was born and raised. And both my parents worked ever since I was a kid. And so I'd get dropped to daycare, get picked up in the evening. But what I remember is something you said, my mom would come and pick me up. And I still remember the look on her face when she'd pick me up. She'd have this big smile. She'd give me the biggest hug. She'd take me home and we'd sit down together while she was cooking and we'd just talk to each other. And it's almost like, I never had a lot of time with my parents growing up, but I felt so much presence. And I honestly believe today that I have so much love to give because my mom infused me with love. Like my mom just like,

• 1:00:42Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:43Jay Shetty?

  You know, bathed me in so much love.

• 1:00:45Kim Kardashian?

  Totally.

• 1:00:45Jay Shetty?

  That it's, it's so easy for me to be loving because I've always had infinite amounts of it from my mom.

• 1:00:51Kim Kardashian?

  That's the best.

• 1:00:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:52Kim Kardashian?

  I couldn't imagine. I love on my kids so hard. They are so annoyed with me and I love it.

• 1:00:59Jay Shetty?

  What I find genuinely inspiring about you and the way you think and focus is that. You wanna be this incredible mom, but you also wanna show the kids what a passionate, purpose-driven person looks like.

• 1:01:14Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:14Jay Shetty?

  And I think we forget that that's also parenting. Like, I'm not a parent, but I can honestly say it that when I saw my mom working late at night and waking up early in the morning, I look back at my mom and I think my mom is a superwoman.

• 1:01:28Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:28Jay Shetty?

  And I look back at that as inspiration.

• 1:01:30Kim Kardashian?

  I hope my kids think that of me one day.

• 1:01:32Jay Shetty?

  They will, they will, because they'll see that. And I think same with my dad. Like, I saw my dad and how much he had to work.

• 1:01:37Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:38Jay Shetty?

  And, and there was something powerful about that.

• 1:01:40Kim Kardashian?

  I think I always like to show them, like, I drop my kids off at school and then I have two or three hours of, of law school. So I gotta go, I'm on time because I have my school. And they have been on the journey with me. They saw me take the bar exam. They saw me open my results and not pass multiple times. They saw me open up the results and pass and I was crying. And they felt my hard work and it paid off. I wanna show them that finding a passion and working to me is something I love to do. And there's so much joy in that for me. And I want them to feel that positive experience. And I, I encourage that from them.

• 1:02:23Kim Kardashian?

  Like, I wanna just show them as many positive experiences as I can and show them that, you know, you can work hard and you can love it. And I just try to live my life and be a good example for them.

• 1:02:35Jay Shetty?

  I think it comes through. And I, and I do believe that. Like, when I look back at my parents, all I can do is appreciate my mom. Like, all I can do is...

• 1:02:43Kim Kardashian?

  I hope they do. Sometimes they tell me I'm the meanest mom in the world because I won't buy them Roblox every day. You know, it's like, I'm like, it's okay. I could be the meanest mom in the world.

• 1:02:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:54Kim Kardashian?

  You know?

• 1:02:54Jay Shetty?

  Well, I think that's what moms do. Moms are willing to be anything their kids need them to be, even if it's that for a short period of time.

• 1:03:00Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:00Jay Shetty?

  Kim, you've been so gracious and kind with your time today. We end every On Purpose episode with a final five. The first question is, what is the best advice you've ever received or heard?

• 1:03:12Kim Kardashian?

  Something that I've learned about time is just that we never have enough of time. So really be present and make the most of your relationships.

• 1:03:24Kim Kardashian?

  Because we're not here very long and we have one life.

• 1:03:28Jay Shetty?

  Was there a moment that made you realize that or something that happened that made you realize that?

• 1:03:33Kim Kardashian?

  I mean, I think when you lose a parent, you're always really mindful of time. And my mom talks about it all the time. I think she's like probably the one thing in life she's scared about, you know, and keeps her up at night sometimes. So just making sure that you make the most of everything. Because it'll go by so fast.

• 1:03:57Jay Shetty?

  Second question, what is the worst life advice you've ever received or heard?

• 1:04:02Kim Kardashian?

  I think maybe the worst advice could be almost too much advice or too many opinions. If you really trust your gut and you do what you want to do and if you're in your bubble. And when the world gets to that little piece of your bubble and there can be so many opinions. I think sometimes all of the conflicting advice can just be bad advice. That even if you're supposed to make your mistake and maybe do what you want to do with any bad piece of advice. That's still a part of your journey. So sometimes just do what you want to do and not take in all of the advice is really healthy.

• 1:04:42Jay Shetty?

  I think that's great and don't ask for in the first place.

• 1:04:45Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:04:46Jay Shetty?

  We all have that one friend who messages like 25 people with the same question.

• 1:04:51Kim Kardashian?

  Totally.

• 1:04:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, definitely. Good answer. All right. Question number three. If tomorrow, not wishing this, no intentions, no energy towards this, but if tomorrow you had to restart. What would you do if tomorrow everything went away and you had to restart? What would you do? Business wise, like how would that shift?

• 1:05:09Kim Kardashian?

  I think I would probably be a lawyer and just focus on that. And go to law school and focus on being an attorney full time.

• 1:05:19Jay Shetty?

  Because?

• 1:05:20Kim Kardashian?

  I just think the feeling of being able to help people is really powerful.

• 1:05:27Kim Kardashian?

  And necessary. And I would just focus on that.

• 1:05:31Jay Shetty?

  That's such a heartfelt answer. I love that. That's beautiful. I'm glad I'm glad I asked you. It's like, yeah, I just feel like it's really interesting. I was having a conversation last night with the mutual friends of ours, Scoot O'Brien.

• 1:05:44Kim Kardashian?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:45Jay Shetty?

  We were together last night and we were talking about this idea about how we often think that our experiences make us who we are, or is it that you are just going to be who you are anyway, because that's who you were meant to be?

• 1:05:56Kim Kardashian?

  I think it's both.

• 1:05:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:58Kim Kardashian?

  Think about it, you can be the most talented person, but if you don't have that determination and drive, then what will become of it? You know, it's not just going to magically happen because you're talented.

• 1:06:11Jay Shetty?

  Of course.

• 1:06:12Kim Kardashian?

  So I think so much of it is the effort and what you do with that and figuring that out and who you are and what you want to put out in the world.

• 1:06:21Jay Shetty?

  I guess my point is that I think you have that energy of wanting to be the best, of wanting to do things really well, of wanting to do things with that quality. And whatever you ended up doing with it.

• 1:06:31Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:31Jay Shetty?

  It would have been that. And it is that already.

• 1:06:34Kim Kardashian?

  And I think in life, you have to, no matter, even if this isn't the job that you want, no matter what it is that you're doing, you have to be fully your best. You have to put in 200%. You have no idea who's paying attention. You're at that place exactly where you're supposed to be at that time. There's nothing worse than someone that doesn't want to give it their all, no matter what it is. And it could be, that's like, you know, business advice that I heard that always stuck with me and always was, even when I was working at a clothing store, I was so happy to be there.

• 1:07:10Jay Shetty?

  Organizing.

• 1:07:11Kim Kardashian?

  I did my, yeah, I did my absolute best that I could, selling everything and steaming everything and hanging everything. And I think those experiences just show you what you want to do in your life, show other people really what you're made of. I'm just like a, I'm a really competitive person. So no matter what it is that I'm doing, I want to be the best at that. I want to learn everything about it. And I'm just a super curious person.

• 1:07:38Jay Shetty?

  Beautiful. Uh, question number four, since we've been talking about values. What's something that you used to value that you no longer feel you value anymore?

• 1:07:49Kim Kardashian?

  Definitely material designer things. I used to value, I mean,

• 1:07:57Kim Kardashian?

  Stuff. I live in an area where there would be fires a lot. And there was probably four times we had to fully pack up the house. Everything out, houses catching on fire, property caught on fire, like really close to losing everything. First time packed up my entire shoe and bag closet. And a lot of them, because they were memory stuff from my dad, stuff in high school, but all designer stuff. Also videos, photos, whatever, digitized everything, put everything important somewhere else. Second, pack up the designer stuff, but leave some, leave some of the clothes. You know, I don't really need all the clothes.

• 1:08:37Kim Kardashian?

  But I packed a hotel for months, bags and every designer thing that I had had to come. Third time, leave all the bags and shoes. I don't, I don't need them. We got all the, we got all the photos, we got all the, my little blankie when I was little. You know, the kid's stuff. Fourth time, leave everything. Me and my babies, that's all I need. You know, I have all my photos digitized, I have everything digital. We got our passports, we're good.

• 1:09:07Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:07Kim Kardashian?

  And that like evolution of like, they had to go in and get all my designer stuff. Or I'm not leaving my house, you know, it's gonna catch on fire.

• 1:09:16Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:16Kim Kardashian?

  And now I'm like, nothing is worth it. Nothing is important. And I think that comes from life experiences, scary experiences, things shaking you to your core to make you realize that nothing is important. You can't, I know everyone says this, but like you can't take it with you. None of it is important.

• 1:09:38Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, there's a beautiful Islamic proverb that says detachment doesn't mean that you own nothing. It means that nothing owns you.

• 1:09:48Kim Kardashian?

  Hmm.

• 1:09:49Jay Shetty?

  And I feel so often we become owned by

• 1:09:52Kim Kardashian?

  I love that.

• 1:09:53Jay Shetty?

  dreams, our desires, our pursuits, our things.

• 1:09:55Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:56Jay Shetty?

  It doesn't mean that we have to give them all away or we don't have those things. It's just if and when we have to let go.

• 1:10:03Kim Kardashian?

  Totally.

• 1:10:03Jay Shetty?

  Are we willing, are we able to let go?

• 1:10:05Kim Kardashian?

  Totally. Even with work stuff, I mean, it doesn't just have to be. The material things, like you said, like your dreams and it's okay to be able to let go, but work so hard to like the opposites are okay. Contradicting yourself a little bit in those ways.

• 1:10:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:24Kim Kardashian?

  You know, it's like in in relationships, you can love a person, miss a person so much, but still have the wisdom to know they're not your person and you're better off not together. That like opposite connection with everything, I think is really important to have that awareness in everything in life, relationships, material things, all of that.

• 1:10:49Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I I officiated a wedding a few years ago and someone came up to me from the audience and and said to me, Jay, I realized from what you were saying that they'd just gone through a breakup recently. And they were saying, Jay, I realized that I love that person, but we didn't like each other anymore. And it was that essence of like, there'll always be that deep love for each other.

• 1:11:13Kim Kardashian?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:13Jay Shetty?

  But we just don't.

• 1:11:15Kim Kardashian?

  Like family, you know, like you love people and but it's okay to to feel a protection of a person, but then also protecting yourself and realizing when you have to and when it's time and it's okay to feel all of the opposite emotions, you know? I think as long as you're really well aware and go through the motions and feel things and don't hold things in, it's so important, whether it's, you know, breakups, deaths. I've always been really clear headed and like gone through the feelings, gone through the emotions, more in those relationships, more in those lifelong.

• 1:12:00Kim Kardashian?

  Relationships that you hope for and then also be okay and calm and realizing I've always been someone like, okay, my dad died. What, why is this happening? What was his purpose here? And how are we going to grow and learn from this experience? And I always said that, like, right when he passed. And I was felt it and super emotional about it. And, you know, cry all the time when great things happen that I wish he was here. But also, I had a wisdom at like, a younger age to understand that this is like, a part of our journey and a part of our like, evolution. And this happens. And this is why you have

• 1:12:42Kim Kardashian?

  to hold on to relationships even more precious. But don't let things destroy you at the same time. If that makes sense.

• 1:12:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it does make sense. I can tell just from your energy, like, I just want everyone to know who's listening and watching. Often, people can say something, but the time I've spent with you, even today, I can tell from your energy that you are content and you are at peace. And you are, I can feel that just, just, yeah, peace. Like, that's what I'm with you. I sense peace. And I think doing an interview with someone, just, it's a different environment that you, I remember when I interviewed Kobe Bryant, and I almost felt like time stood still. And his word that I saw with his energy was gravity. Like, I just felt like everything was just, and then when I'm sitting with you, I'm feeling peace. And a lot of the time, people try to find people when they're not at peace, hoping

• 1:13:33Jay Shetty?

  that someone else will put their pieces back together. You are at peace. Do you ever feel like you want to be in love again? Do you, do you long for that? Or are you so at peace that that isn't a consideration?

• 1:13:48Kim Kardashian?

  I think I'll always be a hopeless romantic and always want to be in love. And definitely love sharing my life with someone and love creating a life with someone. I definitely will take my time. And I think there's so many factors, especially when you have kids, and being mindful of people that enter in your life. And if I can look at everything that I did wrong, and try to not make the same mistakes, and really take my time, I think it just has to be different for me. You know, it's obviously such a hard place to be in, because How do you go about, who do you, you know, it's like so, there's so many factors.

• 1:14:33Kim Kardashian?

  But I'll always believe in love and I'll always want that. And I think that's such a magical part of life. But I think I'm so comfortable taking my time to not rush it. There's so much going on that I'm not lonely. And I think that that is really important. And I believe, like, I always believe, you know? And I think that whatever's meant to be will be.

• 1:15:06Jay Shetty?

  Fifth and final question of the whole interview. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be? Take your time.

• 1:15:15Kim Kardashian?

  That's a good one. Just second chances and fairness. I think it could be something as simple as just whether it's in our system or judgment in life, just making sure that everyone had like a basic human right to what's fair. I think would change a lot in the system, would change a lot in life. And a law for everyone to be kind. It's that simple. You think about like, all I want to do is raise kind, thoughtful, grateful, mindful, human beings.

• 1:15:57Jay Shetty?

  Kim, thank you for being so open, so honest, so generous with your time. Everyone who's been listening and watching, I hope you tag us both on Instagram, on TikTok, wherever you share your insights that you gained. I'd love to see what you took away from this podcast. I'd love to share that with both of us. Thank you for listening to On Purpose. I'll see you again next week. And Kim, thank you so much again for this energy of yours today and being so present with us.

• 1:16:20Kim Kardashian?

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:16:21Jay Shetty?

  Thank you. If you loved this episode, you'll really enjoy my episode with Selena Gomez on befriending your inner critic and how to speak to yourself with more compassion.

• 1:16:33Speaker 03

  My fears are only going to continue to show me what I'm capable of. The more that I face my fears, the more that I feel I'm gaining strength and gaining wisdom, and I just want to keep doing that.

• 1:16:46Speaker 06

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• 1:16:55Speaker 07

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• 1:17:03Speaker 06

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• 1:17:07Speaker 07

  With great power comes great deniability.

• 1:17:10Speaker 06

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• 1:17:11Speaker 07

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