Giggling about reality tv, family feuds, and flare ups

Paige had to relive her panic attack and Hannah has some hot takes. Special thanks to Dunkin' for supporting this episode! subscribe to our newsletter

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, remember when I told you how excited I was about Lululemon dropping their fall collection on September 8? Well, the collection is finally here and I just got my hands on a few pieces and let's just say these will be in my rotation on repeat. I got the Groove Yoga Bra and the High Rise Matching Short. They're so buttery soft. They have laser cut pocket openings for optional and removable cups, which I love that because sometimes I don't want to have a bra insert when I'm working out, but sometimes I do. Performance never compromises style at Lululemon. I love their vintage-inspired styles and everything comes in such an assortment of colors. So if you don't want to stick to black, which is my traditional go-to, you can explore other colors. Like, I love a burgundy workout set. New styles from Lululemon's fall collection are here.

• 0:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Popular colors go fast, so be on the lookout for those drops. And if something doesn't work out for you, free returns always. That's lululemon.com, lululemon.com.

• 0:55Hannah Berner?

  This episode is sponsored by Cars.com. I feel like your car says a lot about you. It's transportation, storage, and honestly, kind of a personality test. Maybe you need something for weekend road trips, something you can actually parallel park in the city, or just enough trunk space for an emergency outfit and backup shoes. Personally, I like options and I'm very specific. So this is where Cars.com comes in. Cars.com has the tools that make your car shopping way less overwhelming. With more than 200 advanced search filters, you can narrow things down based on what actually matters to you. Deal badges help show how fairly a vehicle is priced, so you can browse with more confidence and fewer chaotic tabs open, which I think we can all appreciate. Start your search with Cars.com. Where to next?

• 1:38Hannah Berner?

  I was thinking about how women have so many little things we have to do when we're getting home that you have to be aware of.

• 1:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, so many people have my location.

• 1:47Hannah Berner?

  And you have to share your ETA, you have to check the route, you have to text everyone I'm home.

• 1:51Paige DeSorbo?

  And if your friend, like, doesn't text you, "Oh, you got home," you're calling the FBI.

• 1:56Hannah Berner?

  Yep. Yep. And we joke about it because it's so normal to us, but you're constantly paying attention. And even when you're exhausted and just want to get home, your brain still has to be on. You're like, is this guy going the right route? Am I in the right place? Who's around me? What's happening?

• 2:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, there's truly no clocking out of your safety.

• 2:12Hannah Berner?

  And that's why riding in a Waymo feels different. It's an autonomous ride with an empty driver's seat. So, once you get in, you have this private space that's actually just yours.

• 2:20Paige DeSorbo?

  And you know, I love alone time and I truly feel like it's such a luxury in a Waymo.

• 2:25Hannah Berner?

  Especially after being social. Like, I love everyone, but like...

• 2:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Please, nobody speak to me.

• 2:29Hannah Berner?

  Like, give me 20 minutes. I want music, the right temperature. There's no compromising. And you can customize the ride, put on your own music, answer texts you ignored all night, stare out the window. You actually have a minute where you're not thinking about everyone else.

• 2:43Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's the thing. It's not even necessarily about doing something. Sometimes it's just, you want to sit there and not speak.

• 2:50Hannah Berner?

  And put your guard down for a second and feel safe.

• 2:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Which truly, women deserve.

• 2:55Hannah Berner?

  We deserve to disassociate safely for 20 minutes.

• 2:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. I mean, put that on a t-shirt, for real.

• 3:00Hannah Berner?

  And obviously, safety is a huge part of why that feeling matters. Knowing Waymo's safer, there's something refreshing in having that space where you can just be yourself and let Waymo handle the driving.

• 3:10Paige DeSorbo?

  And we spend enough of our lives being on.

• 3:12Hannah Berner?

  Exactly.

• 3:14Paige DeSorbo?

  We don't need to be on in the car.

• 3:16Hannah Berner?

  Getting around shouldn't require so much mental energy. And if this sounds like your ideal way to get around too, download the Waymo app and use code GIGLY to get 20% off your next two rides. You can check out the full terms in the app.

• 3:28Paige DeSorbo?

  We love a discount.

• 3:29Hannah Berner?

  And if Waymo isn't in your city yet, head to waymo.com/gigly to sign up and help bring Waymo to you.

• 3:50Hannah Berner?

  Hello, my glorious gigglers.

• 3:53Paige DeSorbo?

  I have like, a lot of things on my docket.

• 3:54Hannah Berner?

  So much to talk about. And can I just say, people were like, "Are you gonna have enough to talk about? With two episodes a week?" And I'm like, "We've been holding back. We've been holding back. Now we can open the fucking floodgates. Let's go, what do you have?"

• 4:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Give us one weekend where we haven't spoken, and it's like, I have eight business ideas. We're literally, and we haven't seen each other, we're like two cokeheads that got together. No, we're literally two cokeheads that got together on a Friday night when we haven't seen each other for a week. We're like, should we start a business?

• 4:27Hannah Berner?

  I don't know what coke is like, but I'd imagine this is it. We had some drama today.

• 4:34Paige DeSorbo?

  I've been waiting to sound off.

• 4:36Hannah Berner?

  You're on the Boots Journalism for the Victoria Beckham family, what would you call it, massacre?

• 4:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Family Feud. Bring in Steve Harvey.

• 4:48Hannah Berner?

  I want, everyone is waiting to hear your take.

• 4:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay. So, I was on a set today, so I was in the perfect conducive situation for when this dropped, to talk. I was in the glam room. I read it aloud to everyone. I actually got complimented on my reading, so, take that, guys.

• 5:10Hannah Berner?

  Okay, they, you're literally, they're getting paid by you, continue.

• 5:15Paige DeSorbo?

  Not true. I went full Brooklyn Beckham mode.

• 5:19Hannah Berner?

  Oh, you went British, yeah.

• 5:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I did. First thing I want to say that, before we really get into the meat of it, was, this was a really stupid thing on my part, but, when I'm reading it, I thought, "Oh, British people spell mum, M-U-M." Now, I was under the impression that's just how they said it.

• 5:46Paige DeSorbo?

  I didn't know they spelt it like, I thought they spelled it M-O-M, but they just said mum.

• 5:53Hannah Berner?

  No, they go full mum.

• 5:56Paige DeSorbo?

  I was like, wait, you guys just changed the whole word, though? But dad is dad?

• 6:01Hannah Berner?

  That's true, it's short for mommy. Mommy.

• 6:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Which is mommy.

• 6:06Hannah Berner?

  We're thrown, so honestly, we were unable to really understand. We couldn't get past that.

• 6:12Paige DeSorbo?

  My reading comprehension definitely dwindled after the first mum, because I was like...

• 6:17Hannah Berner?

  I feel like I can't take a guy seriously when he calls his mom mum. Is that offensive to the British community? It just, I'm like, it's, I'd rather him say mother.

• 6:29Paige DeSorbo?

  I just, I just didn't know that's how they spelt it.

• 6:31Hannah Berner?

  It's like a girl saying daddy.

• 6:32Paige DeSorbo?

  Now...

• 6:34Hannah Berner?

  But we digress.

• 6:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, let me first and foremost say, Victoria Beckham till I die, okay?

• 6:40Hannah Berner?

  Well, I was gonna say, Paige is like, Paige is kind of like related slash very good friends with this, so she's gonna have a biased take. But anyway, continue with...

• 6:50Paige DeSorbo?

  I always have a friend's back, and Victoria is no different to me, so I have her back on this one. With that said...

• 6:58Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 6:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Obviously, I am not estranged from my family, but I can imagine that if that is...

• 7:08Hannah Berner?

  You're like, but I imagine it every day. I think about, what if I just press the block button?

• 7:15Paige DeSorbo?

  If I told my mom and dad I was going no contact with them, they'd say, great, we'll come too. Like, they would be like, what?

• 7:21Hannah Berner?

  They go, who we blocking? The call's coming from inside the house, mom.

• 7:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, contact where? We'll contact you, so, anyway. But I can imagine that if you are feeling that way, like, there's obviously some truth to what he's saying if he felt that, like, that he needed to put this out on Instagram. Do I think that the Beckham family likes a photo op of their family and there's some type of press? Like, yeah, I'm sure.

• 7:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Now, there were a couple parts that I was like, that's interesting, bringing Marc Anthony into it. What did Marc Anthony do to be brought in to this situation? And I know he's talking about, he was talking about his actual wedding, and that Marc Anthony was supposed to introduce him and his wife for the first time, and it was actually a dance with him and Victoria. Now, when I got to that part, I said, hmm, now this is written the way I would have written it? So, in my head, I was like, okay, this possibly could be his wife?

• 8:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Which I don't fault either because I think like if you're married, yeah, that's my husband. Like I have his back. That's my wife. I have her back.

• 8:34Hannah Berner?

  You think she wrote it and he was like, we gotta just change it to mum so people think I said it? Like it's her and then he's like, mum. Um, I've never seen a straight man post that many paragraphs about something.

• 8:48Paige DeSorbo?

  True.

• 8:49Hannah Berner?

  And I especially think, but he is British and they love the English language. So he could be like a Shakespearean novelist for all I know.

• 8:56Paige DeSorbo?

  It was giving Prince Harry, I'm leaving the monarchy. Like that was the vibe I was getting.

• 9:02Hannah Berner?

  Well, they are like royalty, that family. So I do think it was weird that Marc Anthony was catching strays. It almost was giving like, like when you're see you in court where it's like you mentioned someone. So then they have to like say their part, you know?

• 9:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Speaking of fucking see you in court, guess who got goddamn jury duty?

• 9:22Hannah Berner?

  No!

• 9:23Paige DeSorbo?

  I will argue that.

• 9:25Hannah Berner?

  At the DOJ.

• 9:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Literally, there's someone down at, yeah, I'm fucking pissed.

• 9:30Hannah Berner?

  Someone was like, oh, you want to make fun of us?

• 9:32Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 9:32Hannah Berner?

  You want to make fun of us?

• 9:33Paige DeSorbo?

  You motherfuckers.

• 9:35Hannah Berner?

  Do you want to make, you know what's hilarious?

• 9:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Down at the god, goddamn Soho Court. I will show up there and I will, no, I'm not going to threaten a government building. That's really terrifying. Let's calm down.

• 9:47Hannah Berner?

  Well, look, honestly, you said see you in court enough that they're like, cool, see you there.

• 9:52Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what? Actually do a civic duty.

• 9:54Hannah Berner?

  That's fucking crazy.

• 9:55Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I'm actually pissed.

• 9:58Hannah Berner?

  Back to Brooklyn.

• 9:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 10:00Hannah Berner?

  I want to say, I think there's multiple truths to a lot of stories.

• 10:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Totally. So many things can be true at once.

• 10:08Hannah Berner?

  I could totally see him getting annoyed that his family's like, can you please support us in all these ventures? And he's like, they're so annoying. And then you didn't support this. I, it is interesting though, because it, it did go around like that. Um, his wife was the bad person for not like wearing Victoria Beckham's dress.

• 10:25Paige DeSorbo?

  He said that she pulled out.

• 10:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, here's one thing that I think we should dive into because I think this is very pertinent.

• 10:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Typically, I feel like, there's how many siblings? There's four of them.

• 10:41Paige DeSorbo?

  So, I mean, is it a coincidence that all of the other siblings are kind of like, we don't fuck with you either? Like, are they, like, just going blindly with the parents? Or is Brooklyn, like, being crazy and they're like, what's going on with you?

• 10:57Hannah Berner?

  Well, this is what I don't like. I don't like family drama and relationship drama. You know when you, like, you love two people, but they're, like, horrible to each other? And they're telling you stories and you're like, you're both fucking crazy? Like, that's how I feel in this. Like, this is family drama that is their shit and it should not be aired. Granted, he's basically saying they keep coming for me in the press.

• 11:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 11:20Hannah Berner?

  And he's had enough.

• 11:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 11:22Hannah Berner?

  But I don't, I just feel like the family stuff, no one's good or bad. It's like, this is deep, like, layers of family trauma that they're working through.

• 11:31Paige DeSorbo?

  This isn't just like one fight. This is like years and years of something.

• 11:36Hannah Berner?

  Exactly. And it's like, you know when you talk to a couple that broke up and someone says something and you're like, that's fucking valid? And then the other person says something, you're like, very valid. You guys are not...

• 11:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Except when I break up with someone.

• 11:45Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, 100%.

• 11:46Paige DeSorbo?

  They're not valid.

• 11:47Hannah Berner?

  100%. By the way, we are drinking our Dunkin' Refreshers! Oh my god, so good. Because this is a late episode and we've both been working all day. Actually, I was shopping. And...

• 11:59Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I've been literally working all day.

• 12:02Hannah Berner?

  No, like, are you okay?

• 12:04Paige DeSorbo?

  You try being an influencer.

• 12:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Actually, this happened like two weeks ago, but I forgot to bring it up because I think it's so funny, though. Did you see that Scooter, do you know, you know that Scooter Braun and Sydney Sweeney are dating, right?

• 12:17Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, they had that, like, Central Park photo shoot.

• 12:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes, who could forgot?

• 12:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Did you see that he came out and he was like, I think it's...

• 12:27Hannah Berner?

  He came out? Finally.

• 12:29Paige DeSorbo?

  He goes, "I think it's like really rude and offensive that, like, professional athletes are DMing my girlfriend, like, when they know we're together." The audacity of like, what dude that, yes, because everyone in the world is just gonna respect you that you're like dating someone.

• 12:48Hannah Berner?

  First of all, you're not married. Second of all, those football players are not your friends. They're nice to you because you're rich. They're not your friends. They don't respect you and they will steal your girl if you if you slip up.

• 12:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Such a funny, like, that's such a classic guy. Like, hey, I don't like that, so don't do it. It's like, okay, well, the world doesn't work like that.

• 13:07Hannah Berner?

  Also, I love that Sydney Sweeney is telling him which guys are DMing her. Good for her. Make him mad.

• 13:12Paige DeSorbo?

  No, we didn't break that down more.

• 13:15Hannah Berner?

  Actually, I've probably never not told a guy if someone DM'd me because, like, we have one life. We've one life. Celebrate it.

• 13:25Paige DeSorbo?

  The only time I haven't is like where I'm where I'm like, I'm not gonna say this because he's just gonna like he'll get in his head about it, but I keep it in my back pocket because anytime I'm like, oh, my God, look who just like DM'd me wants to go on a date.

• 13:40Hannah Berner?

  I don't say if it's like an ex-boyfriend that's like annoying. It's more like to, yeah, to piss him off.

• 13:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, get a little pep in their step.

• 13:47Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, make them know. Let them know there's people in line.

• 13:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Um, okay, my next thing that's on my docket. Yeah, I'm looking down. Um, Kim Kardashian. I don't know why she would do this to me, but she came out. Did you see the shoes she came out with in Nike?

• 14:04Hannah Berner?

  Did I see? My DMs were flooded and I think I think you you might be a little perturbed because

• 14:11Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm perturbed.

• 14:11Hannah Berner?

  Kim Kardashian might be a little henna-coated.

• 14:15Paige DeSorbo?

  Not only was it a Mary Jane sneaker, it was a freaking tabby Mary Jane. Do you know what a tabby is?

• 14:22Hannah Berner?

  It's a cat.

• 14:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Um, yes, absolutely. It's the shoes that like have, um, like the toe is cut out. Like, it looks like your toes, like a hoof. It looks like a hoof.

• 14:36Hannah Berner?

  I love an ugly lamp and I love an ugly shoe. And I support that shoe with my life.

• 14:43Paige DeSorbo?

  So I've never been a fan of the tabby. I feel like it's a little gen- like my assistant has a tabby, but she looks like cute and cool in it. Like, I don't love them for myself. But a Mary Jane tabby, I think is diabol- I think, I think what Kim Kardashian did was diabolical.

• 15:00Hannah Berner?

  Can I say something about trends, though? If every cool influencer was wearing it, you would.

• 15:13Paige DeSorbo?

  I've been shot.

• 15:17Hannah Berner?

  Wait, that was the meanest thing I've ever said to you. That was so- wait, she's speechless. She'll leave- she's crying.

• 15:24Paige DeSorbo?

  There's a tear coming.

• 15:25Hannah Berner?

  She doesn't even have a witty remark back. She's- she's a name.

• 15:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Did I do something to you?

• 15:31Hannah Berner?

  No.

• 15:32Paige DeSorbo?

  Have I offended you in some way?

• 15:35Hannah Berner?

  No, I'm saying you're- you are being socially-

• 15:39Paige DeSorbo?

  We all heard what you said.

• 15:41Hannah Berner?

  You're being socially constructed to think certain things are beautiful when beauty's in the eye of the beholder.

• 15:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Anywho.

• 15:47Hannah Berner?

  Whoa, are you okay? We just had a flare up. We had a full flare up on a Monday.

• 15:52Paige DeSorbo?

  I worked a whole fucking eight-hour day and I don't need to come home to this shit.

• 15:58Hannah Berner?

  We're literally a married couple. You're like, I've been working and I just wanted some peace and quiet and calmness, not to get attacked in my own fucking home. Um, with that said, I think you're also triggered because you know where I am right now. I'm in Colorado and I have to tell you, I performed in the Denver Theater, the scene of the crime. If anyone doesn't remember, you could listen to the episode. Paige had a panic attack, um, in so many words.

• 16:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you want to know what Hannah did, my sweet, sweet friend? She sent me a panorama video of the green room and said, Paige, it was right over there where you lost your shit.

• 16:35Hannah Berner?

  So, these theaters, there's um, a guy who like produces it. And this guy does all the Colorado shows. So I get in the car and I realize this is the same guy as that show. So, but he's like so nice- I need to never see any of these people ever again. He's like, "Welcome back." And I'm like, "So great to be here, missed it here." Paige says, "Hi." And then, I get to the green room and honestly, I did start feeling like a little headache. I think I was dehydrated and there's no air in Denver, so- There's no air. I, I texted him and he comes down, he's like, "Can I get you anything?" And I said, "It's possible to just get like a little Advil or something." And he's like, "Sure, sure." And he like runs and grabs and he comes back and he goes, "Is everything okay?"

• 17:18Hannah Berner?

  And I'm like, "No." They have a file on us. They have a literal file. He literally was like, "Are you good?" And I'm like, "No, no, no, we're good." And he started laughing and he's like, "I just can never forget your agent trying to like nicely talk to Paige and say it's okay if she doesn't want to go on stage." And then you basically like kicking her onto the stage. And I said, "That's what friends are for." I'm not here with their fucking soft, you know, motivation. And if you don't have a friend that takes you out of your comfort zone, what's the point? What is the point? Then, in my travels, as you guys know, I'm on tour. Um, without Paige was just so weird, so I'm just doing dumb shit alone with Ally. Do you know when the plane is really small?

• 18:00Hannah Berner?

  So even though you have a s- a small ba- um, a small luggage, it still might not fit. And my luggage, you know when you accidentally open the wrong zipper and it like expands the luggage? Yeah. And obviously, I'm not organized enough to be like, "I should zipper this and like compress it again." So I'm with my fully outzipped luggage. And I get there and I'm like the first one to put it in, everyone's waiting for me, and it can't go in. And the lady's like, looking at me, and I look at her, I'm like, "Can I just, could you just sneak this back?" And she goes, "We don't really do coats here." And I said, "Okay." Um, and in my head, I know for a fact, because it's so full, the only way to get to zip is for me to sit on it. And I'm like, "I'm not do- in a public, in the middle of the plane, putting my bag down, sitting on it and trying to zip around." Like that's what's supposed to-

• 18:45Hannah Berner?

  While everyone's like waiting to board. Literally, so I'm panicking and I just start letting people go past me. I'm just sitting, holding my bag.

• 18:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 18:52Hannah Berner?

  Ally comes in, my little angel savior, and I'm like panicking, and she's like, put it on the ground, put it on the ground. She stands on it, and then I zipper it under her, and we're dying laughing. Everyone is like, who let these girls on? And then I had to like, everyone was just staring at me the whole flight.

• 19:09Paige DeSorbo?

  So you have a new wife?

• 19:11Hannah Berner?

  No.

• 19:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, well, that's what it sounds like.

• 19:14Hannah Berner?

  No, but she was supportive in a time of need. However, you would have just pointed a left at me.

• 19:21Paige DeSorbo?

  I would have been like, what do you want me to do?

• 19:24Hannah Berner?

  But I literally, she must be so annoyed because I just like talked about you all yesterday when we were in the green room, like, and she cried there. And then she locked herself in the bathroom there, and then she couldn't get her corset on here, and then her mom answered the phone and told her to stop it over there. Um, yeah.

• 19:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Don't forget, I like vomited at some.

• 19:42Paige DeSorbo?

  I was air gagging.

• 19:46Hannah Berner?

  Oh, God.

• 19:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, wait, the next thing I have to bring up is, are you on Chinese girl TikTok?

• 19:55Hannah Berner?

  No, but my husband seeks Mandarin, so I feel like I should be.

• 19:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, I was diagnosed as Chinese, which I'm very proud of, and it is all of these Chinese girls basically giving you like their morning routines on how they stay so like, like their skin is so glowy and how they just stay healthy, which actually, it's gonna annoy me because my mom has said this to me forever, and I've been like, shut up, mom. I love an ice cold anything. I love my ice cold Stanley. I love an ice cold soda. Like, I love, it has to be freezing.

• 20:33Hannah Berner?

  You even put your face in ice cold water.

• 20:35Paige DeSorbo?

  I love it. I'll stuff myself in the freezer. I don't care.

• 20:39Paige DeSorbo?

  They said that the number one thing is when you first wake up, that you should not drink anything cold. So like hot water with lemon immediately, and then they're drinking bone broth for breakfast because they're like waking their bodies up slowly and naturally.

• 20:58Paige DeSorbo?

  And I love an iced coffee. I'm an iced coffee girl all year round, but I've been drinking hot water with lemon in the morning before I I still have an iced coffee, but before I do anything. It's kind of life changing.

• 21:10Hannah Berner?

  How so? Cause you know, I, I have follow up questions.

• 21:15Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, I feel like some, and this might just be me, but I feel like you get to a point with your caffeine where you're like, okay, my body's not responding to it anymore. Like I really would like to go to the bathroom. Maybe I'll have just like a little bit more coffee and then I'll go. For whatever reason, the hot water with lemon, one works immediately, if not sooner. It's almost like your body's season is like, I've gotta go.

• 21:42Paige DeSorbo?

  And it, it does like wake you up

• 21:48Paige DeSorbo?

  i- in such a different way, but like a better way. Like I feel like you have coffee immediately. It's like jolting you into like the future. You're like, holy shit.

• 21:58Hannah Berner?

  How much lemon are we talking?

• 22:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Like a slice. But then there's like all these videos of like other thing, like goji berries that they put in tea and like all this other stuff. So they also have like a tea in the morning.

• 22:11Hannah Berner?

  I do trust a tea because people have been doing it for so long. I also actually do like this because this isn't like a crazy investment for the girls to be like, oh, you gotta buy this crazy thing. Like get some lemons.

• 22:22Paige DeSorbo?

  You know, I love Chinese medicine.

• 22:24Hannah Berner?

  Um, yes. Can I also just say, we never make the gigglers like ride at dawn for like anything. Like we don't like to get them to like be mean to people. Like we're just a place of love and light.

• 22:37Paige DeSorbo?

  They have their own issues.

• 22:39Hannah Berner?

  I know. I never, I never asked them to like do anything. Nana still, Nana Sogata is getting attacked on threads right now. And I, she doesn't know. She doesn't know and she's listening. So she just found out because she doesn't even know that her posts automatically go to threads. So Nana is getting bullied on threads when she didn't even sign up for it.

• 23:01Paige DeSorbo?

  This is not funny. This is, it's actually elder abuse. This is like legit elder abuse.

• 23:07Hannah Berner?

  Fucked up.

• 23:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Hannah texted the group chat, me and Grace and Hannah, and she goes, "Oh my God, Nana's literally getting bullied." Like, you have to go on. Hannah, I clicked into it.

• 23:19Hannah Berner?

  No, like, I'm really upset.

• 23:22Paige DeSorbo?

  It's actually why I feel like Giggly Squad is so important. These older women of a totally different generation of us that we're not allowed to live alone. We're not allowed to decide if they wanted to get married or not, or have children or not. And like, a lot are, I seem like boy moms from the South, but anyway.

• 23:45Paige DeSorbo?

  It's terrifying. The women that are attacking Nana are 65 plus. 65 is generous.

• 23:53Hannah Berner?

  You will always have haters, no matter what age, if you're a star.

• 23:58Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I was like, wait, so this is never-ending for me?

• 24:01Hannah Berner?

  Sorry, I'm so, it's okay. So for anyone who doesn't know about my Nana, at Nana's Still Got It, she loves her fans more than anything. She loves them more than me.

• 24:10Paige DeSorbo?

  And she loves her fans.

• 24:11Hannah Berner?

  Now, Nana, the thing with Nana is Nana has been gorgeous since the day I met her out of the womb. When she's, she's, walks into a restaurant, everyone looks at her, thinks she's famous. I always just thought she was a star. She is the most naturally beautiful woman, Italian, and just stunning. And yeah, she takes, she stays out of the sun, she doesn't drink, she doesn't smoke, and she sleeps on her back.

• 24:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Never had a needle to the face.

• 24:36Hannah Berner?

  Never, she doesn't even have her ears pierced. She also, like, just hates pain. And she also just takes care of herself, but she is abnormally beautiful for her age. I will say that. It is jarring, and I show it off a lot. But she has never done plastic surgery, not against plastic surgery, but she hasn't. And then she also has no idea how to use filters. This woman innocently sits in the corner of her living room and asks her husband to take photos of her outfits because her fans like to see what she puts on each day. It's the very, à la page. She's perfect and has never done anything to hurt anybody, and she wants world peace.

• 25:19Hannah Berner?

  So, she posts this photo of her sitting in her living room and says, "My husband took these photos." Can you imagine? She asked her 86-year-old husband to take photos of her. My husband took these photos of me this morning. I can't believe I will be 85 next month. Where did the time go? And look, is she eating that up? Yes. Is she like putting, keep your fun up, bitches next? Maybe.

• 25:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Is she taking her orthopedic and putting it on your Nana's neck? Absolutely.

• 25:48Hannah Berner?

  Now, look, also, by the way, Nana loves all Nanas. She's, she loves all her friends. She gets along with all of them. She supports all of her older friends. Now, the first, the first fucking comment, Karen, period, Scott, period, 7509.

• 26:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Say the name, girl. It's Karen.

• 26:07Hannah Berner?

  It's Karen Scott, and if any of, is this any of yours grandma? You better give her a fucking talking to, okay?

• 26:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Someone come get their grandma.

• 26:14Hannah Berner?

  You are not 85. Your hands would show it. By the way, like, her hands are not filtered. They look like her hands. There's nothing you can do to hide the age of your hands. I don't know what that means. And then people are like, yeah, and I'm 16. And people are like, a filter can do miracles. Hands have cosmetic surgery too. Um, all these, they're, they're saying she's getting vein removal. Like, it is crazy, but it's all because she's so beautiful, which brings me to my next point. As a woman.

• 26:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, mental health moment it up.

• 26:48Hannah Berner?

  As a fucking woman, if you don't age gracefully, you're, you're, no one respects you. If you get surgery to look better, people bully you. If you age beautifully, people bully you. So anyway, everyone defend Nana on Nana Still Got It's Threads account, cuz I'mma lose it on someone.

• 27:10Paige DeSorbo?

  If you're born a woman, you're gonna get bullied. At, you're gonna, that's just, that's what it is.

• 27:17Hannah Berner?

  That's basically like, I can just, I had a like, premonition of you at 84 posting like a gorgeous photo and people being like, there's your nose.

• 27:27Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm gonna be fucking these bitches up. I'm gonna be in the comments at 85 being like, I have nothing to lose. I'm coming to your house.

• 27:36Hannah Berner?

  I do have to say, there are a bunch of beautiful photos of other grandmas saying, "I'm 80 years old, I've never smoked or drank, I give thanks to our good Lord for my health." Didn't need to get religion involved, but here we are. And she looks so cute. And this other person said, "This is my mom, at 84, no fillers, no hair dye." Yeah, so it's going viral. And I just, there's beautiful comments, but there's also people being mean. And there's something about people saying something. Yeah, someone goes, "Please share what filter you use, you look great." But then there's a lot of people that are just like, "You look amazing, I love you." But anyway, it's hard being a star.

• 28:20Paige DeSorbo?

  It really is. It really is. No, people are nuts.

• 28:25Hannah Berner?

  But then again, if people aren't hating on you. But also, like, my grandma should not be posting on Instagram. Like, she should not be dealing with trolls at 85 years old. Like, maybe I should talk to her.

• 28:35Paige DeSorbo?

  I just, I couldn't imagine seeing an older woman and being like...

• 28:40Hannah Berner?

  I'm gonna hate on her. Well, like, the fact that people are jealous of Nana, like, iconic.

• 28:45Paige DeSorbo?

  No, it's actually iconic.

• 28:48Hannah Berner?

  Like, she's just living her life, and people are talking bad. Girl, go for you.

• 28:53Paige DeSorbo?

  I can only hope that these bitches are jealous of me into 85, yeah.

• 28:57Hannah Berner?

  Can I just say, if people aren't mad, you're not doing enough. You gotta keep these bitches mad.

• 29:05Paige DeSorbo?

  I have a whole list of people that if I get murdered, I know for a fact it's one of these five. Like, there's, hands down, it's one of these five. Like, you don't have to go anywhere. I've done the research, I know who it is.

• 29:19Hannah Berner?

  So, thank you, guys. We write it down for Nana, still got it. And every grandma. Every giggler grandma.

• 29:25Paige DeSorbo?

  I feel like this goes without saying, but we support grandmas.

• 29:29Hannah Berner?

  This is a pro-not-bullying-grandmas podcast?

• 29:33Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know what you've heard on the streets, but we are pro-grandma. We don't condone bullying grandmothers.

• 29:43Hannah Berner?

  You know, I'm gonna take a huge step here and say, "Let's not bully grandmas."

• 29:49Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm gonna go out on a limb here.

• 29:50Hannah Berner?

  Go out on a limb. Anti-grandma bullying, right here.

• 29:54Paige DeSorbo?

  And say the elderly are off limits, okay?

• 29:59Paige DeSorbo?

  I mean, what are we, Gen Shaw? Get a goddamn grip, people.

• 30:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh my god. No, people need to touch grass. It's so crazy. My god, oh. Okay, autumn in New York is the season where we can finally start dressing again. Every single thing is an excuse to put on a look. Going to work? Outfit. Leading a meeting? Outfit. Getting drinks with your friends? Obviously outfit. And as we all know, every great outfit starts from the feet up. That is why I'm currently obsessed with alleys from Sam Edelman. They're ballet flat, but a little something extra for fall. A contrasting velvet cap toe, I have them in this gorgeous azure blue, which is like a dusty muted blue that somehow goes with everything, even Daphne's eyes.

• 30:45Paige DeSorbo?

  They're so cute and I'm already envisioning my next outfit. Straight leg jeans, an oversized blazer and a little shoulder bag. Very, I just threw this on when we all know I absolutely did not. And Hannah is loving hers too. She has the Michaela, which is the Sam Edelman's take on a Mary Jane. And this season it comes in the chicest leopard. So gorge, so easy, and exactly the kind of shoe that makes an otherwise basic outfit look like you actually tried. And there's so much more coming from Sam Edelman this fall beyond these two. Like the new Teigan and Tallulah pumps, plus ready to wear handbags, fragrances, and even a new men's collection. So basically you can make sure both you and your man are looking good for date night because we're not doing all that getting dressed just to let him show up in a t-shirt.

• 31:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Head to samedelman.com and get 15% off with code giggly15. This episode is sponsored by the new Hershey's Creme Bars in Salted Caramel and Affogato. Lately, I've been realizing that luxury doesn't have to mean some huge splurge. Sometimes it's just taking a few minutes to yourself during a busy day. I have one of these moments, oh, I don't know, every day around 2 o'clock. Whether that's making a pick me up coffee, or maybe I just need to scroll for a little bit on the couch. That's why I'm actually so excited about the new Hershey's Salted Caramel and Affogato Creme Bars available now.

• 32:06Paige DeSorbo?

  I absolutely love a treat yourself moment in the middle of the day and this is a classic Hershey's Milk Chocolate layered with a Salted Caramel or Affogato Creme filling. So it feels a little elevated while still being your favorite Hershey's chocolate. Pick up the new Hershey's Creme Bars in Salted Caramel or Affogato wherever you shop for snacks and choose happiness with every bite. Can we talk about the difference between a home that's furnished and a home that's intentional? Because if you're still living with a mattress on the floor at 25, that's crazy. And Cozy is here to help. Bed frames, sofas, rugs, shelves, tables. Cozy has everything and it all comes in boxes directly to your door. Cozy furniture is modular, so the piece you buy for your current place can reconfigure to fit your next one.

• 32:51Paige DeSorbo?

  And you can always add as your space and taste evolves. You can swap covers when you want to change and they go right in the wash whenever you spill something. If you have no clue where to start, they offer free one-on-one design consultations so a real person can help you plan your space. No fees. So transform your living space today with Cozy. That's C-O-Z-E-Y dot com. Make yourself at home. If your anxiety, depression, or ADHD are more than just a rough patch, you might need more than just talk therapy or self-help tools. Talkiiatry connects you with real psychiatric care so you can actually understand what's going on and get a treatment plan that works. Talkiiatry is 100% online psychiatric practice that provides comprehensive evaluations,

• 33:36Paige DeSorbo?

  diagnoses, and ongoing medication management for conditions like ADHD, anxiety, depression, and much more. Unlike therapy-only platforms, Talkiiatry is psychiatry. You're seeing a medical provider who can diagnose mental health conditions and prescribe medication when it's appropriate. You can meet with a licensed psychiatrist who takes the time to understand what's going on, builds a personalized treatment plan, and supports you over time with consistent, evidence-based care. And because you continue with the same provider, you're not starting over each time. Your treatment can evolve with you and you can actually make progress over time. Head to talkiatry.com/giggly to complete the short assessment and get matched with an in-network psychiatrist in just a few minutes.

• 34:17Paige DeSorbo?

  That's T-A-L-K-I-A-T-R-Y dot com slash giggly to get matched in minutes. Talkiatry.com slash giggly.

• 34:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, did you see, and I'm like kind of offended by it.

• 34:29Hannah Berner?

  Okay.

• 34:31Paige DeSorbo?

  There was like a big article that was like, "New for 2026 is having Admin Night with your friends."

• 34:38Hannah Berner?

  Paige, okay, I also know when I'm being, I know when I'm being, there are moments where I'm like Hannah, you didn't make that up. Like people have been saying that for years, just sit down.

• 34:46Paige DeSorbo?

  No, we made up admin.

• 34:48Hannah Berner?

  Okay, admin originated for us. Oh, hi Daphne, cuz British Dave, oh my God, she's so cute. I was dating and I asked him why he, I think they lost the war to us and he said it was too much admin. And that's hilarious. And then we started saying, are, are other people saying admin? In that, like, what were you gonna say about it?

• 35:13Paige DeSorbo?

  To the people that wrote that article and all the mean grandmas out there, I'm coming for you.

• 35:19Hannah Berner?

  Yep, they were like, Admin Night is a thing the girls are doing. No, they're not. Yeah, no, they're not. That's crazy.

• 35:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Where are people doing that?

• 35:26Hannah Berner?

  Well, there is this thing with ADHD that I've diagnosed myself with called body doubling. And it's, it actually is so true. Like I won't clean my room, but I'll like call a friend or my mom, let's be honest. Call my mom and just have her in the room to watch me do something and it makes me do it. It's, it's strange, but it, or like, yeah, you need to send an email and if like someone's in the room, I'm like, I'm sending the email. And I like need them there to like hold me accountable almost.

• 35:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Whenever I am gonna talk to my friend Stephanie, I know that I'm gonna be on the phone for like four hours. So I literally pick a project. I'm like, I'm gonna actually reorganize all my makeup and she's like, amazing.

• 36:06Hannah Berner?

  By the way, I hung out with Stephanie this weekend.

• 36:09Paige DeSorbo?

  I know. How, how fun, but also I'm so happy I wasn't there. Because I never wanna go to Denver ever again in my whole entire life and Stephanie lives there and she knows that about me. And she's like, but maybe you'll come. And I'm like, never.

• 36:28Hannah Berner?

  I was trying to convince her to move to New York.

• 36:30Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, I can't breathe here. How do you guys breathe?

• 36:33Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, breathing is kinda top of the.

• 36:35Paige DeSorbo?

  It's really crucial for me. Um, wait, I see that you have on the list and I wanted to bring it up too is traders. Actually.

• 36:44Hannah Berner?

  I'm so excited.

• 36:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait.

• 36:46Hannah Berner?

  Yep.

• 36:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait.

• 36:48Hannah Berner?

  Yep.

• 36:48Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know why I have so much energy right now.

• 36:50Hannah Berner?

  So do I. I almost had a drink at dinner, but then I was like, no, I'll probably be bad on Giggly's. God forbid I have a cocktail.

• 36:59Paige DeSorbo?

  One episode, we should just get like hammered.

• 37:02Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, I was talk, yeah, I think we should. I think we should.

• 37:05Paige DeSorbo?

  But we have to be in person.

• 37:06Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 37:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Cause I'll just log off.

• 37:10Hannah Berner?

  You'll just fall asleep and I'll be like, hello?

• 37:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you remember that time I had to take a zoom when I, when I was in Italy and I felt like...

• 37:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Guys, one time me and Hannah had like, uh, what probably the most important zoom we've ever had to this date. And I was six hours ahead. And I'm trying to be like-

• 37:28Hannah Berner?

  You've been up for like seventeen hours and you're jet lagged.

• 37:31Paige DeSorbo?

  I was like, no guys, I'm good. And Hannah texts me and she goes, you're falling asleep.

• 37:36Hannah Berner?

  I was like, get a post-it, write, put a fake eye on it, put it over your eye, cause your eyes are closed. You gotta figure something out babe, wake up. You had to apologize, remember? You were like, sorry, I'm not jet lagged.

• 37:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, stop Hannah. Okay. This is gonna get a little serious and then we're gonna go back to fun.

• 38:00Hannah Berner?

  Okay.

• 38:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Now, I actually have not started watching this season of Traders because um, my schedule, it just like, hasn't aligned. Sometimes I like, sometimes I like to have like a bunch of Traders episodes and then I'll just like go and watch them all. So I have not started it, but I've obviously seen spoilers. I've seen the cast of who's on it.

• 38:21Paige DeSorbo?

  I didn't watch The Bachelor. I don't watch The Bachelor. I haven't watched The Bachelor since the fourth grade when the first Bachelorette won and she's still with her husband and I, and I love that for her. So I did not watch when Colton was straight on The Bachelor.

• 38:36Hannah Berner?

  I did.

• 38:37Paige DeSorbo?

  But, okay, so for people that don't know, Colton went on The Bachelor. He was straight. He picked a girl. Okay, great. He proceeds to harass the fuck out of this girl, okay? She has to file a restraining order. He put a tracker on her car. He um, what else did he do? Oh, he like fake would like text her. He would text and call her so much that she like couldn't even use her phone. And then he would text her from other numbers and act like it's someone else. So she thought she had like another stalker and then he like admitted to it. He had a restraining order against him and like- I think you have to get a restraining order against someone. I think that person has to be arrested.

• 39:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, also, my brother called me and was like, please stop talking about legal stuff because you have no idea what you're talking about. The defendant isn't the only people that pick the jury.

• 39:26Hannah Berner?

  Okay, Gary, don't mansplain.

• 39:28Paige DeSorbo?

  I said, okay, I'm not a lawyer. Let's digress.

• 39:32Hannah Berner?

  I hope he felt, he felt good about himself when he said that to you.

• 39:34Paige DeSorbo?

  I was like, okay, you know what?

• 39:36Hannah Berner?

  Gary, this isn't for you. Stop listening. Turn it off.

• 39:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Actually, no, one of the, he works with a giggler and she was like, you should tell your sister. She's stupid. But anyway.

• 39:45Hannah Berner?

  I digress.

• 39:47Paige DeSorbo?

  I digress. He's like, no, I know. Um, so anyway, so Colton, he does all of this weird shit to this, all of this highly illegal stalking shit to this girl.

• 40:00Hannah Berner?

  This is the girl who's dating, um,

• 40:03Paige DeSorbo?

  What's her name? I need to-

• 40:04Hannah Berner?

  Michelle Randolph. It's her sister.

• 40:09Hannah Berner?

  That's who won the Bachelor with him.

• 40:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Shut the fuck up.

• 40:12Hannah Berner?

  And she's equally as stunning.

• 40:13Paige DeSorbo?

  The girl that's dating Glenn Powell?

• 40:14Hannah Berner?

  Yes. Her sister is who Colton, she's gorgeous, but her sister's equally as gorgeous. Cassie. She's gorgeous, perfect. She was like an angel. Like, she was like, you know, yeah, so that's who Colton picked, yeah.

• 40:25Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I'm livid.

• 40:26Hannah Berner?

  Also, his name is Colton. Anyway, continue.

• 40:28Paige DeSorbo?

  So Colton does all this weird fucking illegal shit to this woman and then all of the sudden comes out as gay and everybody like forgets that he stalked this woman's life for months and months on end. And tell me why you get a job? Why are you casted on a big hit national television show? And not only why are you casted getting a paycheck, why the fuck are you getting a nice guy edit? You're a stalker weirdo. If any girl ever did any of that to a guy, was arrested, had a restraining order? Actually, one time there was a rumor about me that I, someone had a restraint, someone had a restraining order against me.

• 41:10Hannah Berner?

  You have like diabolical rumors on you.

• 41:11Paige DeSorbo?

  No, that one like really scared me because I was like, wait, are people gonna think this?

• 41:16Hannah Berner?

  You're like, Gary?

• 41:18Paige DeSorbo?

  No, literally, I called my brother.

• 41:19Hannah Berner?

  I take back all the bad things I said about you.

• 41:21Paige DeSorbo?

  I was like, how do I prove that I don't have a restraining order against him? He was like, Paige, you'd have to be arrested. You'd like, there's no, like, anyway, I digress.

• 41:28Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, I digress.

• 41:30Paige DeSorbo?

  So it's, so I haven't watched it because I kept seeing all of these clips and it's actually pissing me off that this guy is getting like a nice guy edit on a massive show.

• 41:40Hannah Berner?

  Well, he's also like taking charge. Like, he's like, this is what I think and this is what's going on. Like, he's a big character.

• 41:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, you're watching?

• 41:48Hannah Berner?

  Babe, I'm caught up. Babe, I'm... Girl, babe. That was my big announcement.

• 41:54Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like livid. I don't even know why I'm so mad about it.

• 41:57Hannah Berner?

  I feel like people are mad at him, though.

• 41:59Paige DeSorbo?

  I think it's good. I think it's the fact because in reality TV, the men just get away with so much. It's actually, it makes me sick to my stomach. Like, sorry, you can lie for years and years.

• 42:12Hannah Berner?

  Cancelable things happen, they get protected, and then the girl looks crazy for reacting to it. Continue.

• 42:19Paige DeSorbo?

  No, insane.

• 42:23Paige DeSorbo?

  I just like, I can't, I can't, I wanna be like NBC, don't, why did you even hire this person?

• 42:30Hannah Berner?

  Well, the truth is, is that a man can do something and then he, but he's good-looking.

• 42:35Paige DeSorbo?

  This guy, like, I just like, I don't, I don't even, how do you have an agent? How are you even walking into production companies and being like, "Yeah, hire me." I just think it sends like a really, I'm also like...

• 42:49Hannah Berner?

  No, it sends a horrible message.

• 42:50Paige DeSorbo?

  It sends a really horrible message to women and, and women are primarily who's watching reality TV. So you're basically telling all of these younger women who are watching this show that if a guy does any of this to you and you report it, it's okay because he's still gonna go on and live a fine life. And then I think that Cassie girl, like, is not, like, she's not on TV anymore. I don't even think she's like an, I don't think she does anything public.

• 43:15Hannah Berner?

  Well, she's probably has such a terrible experience that she's like, "I don't wanna be involved in any of this public shit anymore."

• 43:22Paige DeSorbo?

  So anyway, I think he's disgusting and I think he should be not hired ever again on anything. Like, sorry, you can't stalk someone and then just be like, "Sorry, didn't mean it." Like, no, you're creepy and weird.

• 43:38Hannah Berner?

  Well, yeah, there was no explanation for it.

• 43:40Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm gonna add him to my list in case I get murdered.

• 43:42Hannah Berner?

  He's on the list. He's on the bus.

• 43:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Anyhow.

• 43:47Hannah Berner?

  The reason why I started watching Traitors is, one thing about me, I do love a game.

• 43:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 43:55Hannah Berner?

  And I don't love watching reality TV because I know how the sausage is made, so I lost the magic for me. However, I was, people are loving Traitors and I was getting frustrated that from the clips, I still couldn't figure out what the rules were. And I just want to, the rules are fucking complicated.

• 44:13Paige DeSorbo?

  It's like there are no rules.

• 44:14Hannah Berner?

  I don't, it's actually like rugby.

• 44:15Paige DeSorbo?

  They make them up as they go.

• 44:16Hannah Berner?

  It's like rugby. I don't think anyone knows what the rules are. They're just running around. And yeah, they do keep changing them. And it took me like three episodes to understand like, okay, so it's different to be banished than to be murdered. And traitors can't get, can't, can be banished, but they can't be murdered. Like that shit is complicated. And I went to college.

• 44:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 44:33Hannah Berner?

  So, um, I, I've been watching it and it really is fascinating because it is like a bunch of rats in a, in a like experiment. Not, I don't mean like snitches. I mean like, a social experiment.

• 44:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 44:48Hannah Berner?

  Where you just put a bunch of like creatures together and see.

• 44:51Paige DeSorbo?

  See what they do.

• 44:52Hannah Berner?

  How they interact. And the truth with the game is there's so much like luck involved too. With like, like there's no way to just like win the game. You have to like, have so many things go your way. Um.

• 45:04Paige DeSorbo?

  I see so many people that are like, oh my God, you and Hannah should go on or like go on Traitors. First, I would never go on without you. And second, they'd have to make us both traitors because if I'm a traitor, I'm obviously going to tell you.

• 45:16Hannah Berner?

  No, in the first episode, you go, bitch. No, you wouldn't even tell me. You just look at me and go, you're fucking traitor.

• 45:24Paige DeSorbo?

  They'd have to make both of us traitors because like.

• 45:26Hannah Berner?

  Also Paige, could you imagine me lying to you?

• 45:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, you want me to lie to my best friend? Oh, what are you teaching America? That's rude.

• 45:33Hannah Berner?

  Imagine me lying to you.

• 45:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Also, here's the other thing Hannah. They take your phone for like two weeks. You can't watch TV. You can't have your laptop.

• 45:42Hannah Berner?

  I can't defend Nana on threads. I can't defend Nana.

• 45:44Paige DeSorbo?

  No, what am I going to jail? Like I'm, and also you have to run. No.

• 45:48Hannah Berner?

  So this is my, my one, um. Problem with it, my gripe is that I don't understand why they have the physical activities. Cause it reminds me of the challenge, kind of, but like, yeah, I guess they're getting more money. And it's like, these people already have money, like, what are we do- like, put it to charity or something, I don't know.

• 46:05Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't get the money part.

• 46:06Hannah Berner?

  I don't understand. And like, yeah, some people get shields and shit, but like, I don't really care about that. All I wanna see is these bitches at the round table going at it for a full hour. That's what I wanna see.

• 46:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Done.

• 46:18Hannah Berner?

  Like, no breaks, no food.

• 46:20Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I think that's like-

• 46:21Hannah Berner?

  Return it to producer.

• 46:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Last year, um, The Real Housewives of Atlanta.

• 46:27Hannah Berner?

  Phaedra?

• 46:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes, oh my god, that just was really freaking me out. I thought I was like, having dementia.

• 46:33Hannah Berner?

  Is if, I heard that she's like, the best.

• 46:36Paige DeSorbo?

  No, they should st- they should take the clips of her at the round table and play them at law school.

• 46:43Hannah Berner?

  Why was she good?

• 46:44Paige DeSorbo?

  She wa- well, she is a lawyer, so she, she is ju-

• 46:48Hannah Berner?

  Gary, take notes.

• 46:49Paige DeSorbo?

  She was so, oh, she ate them all up, and she was a traitor. She ate them all up.

• 46:56Hannah Berner?

  This is what's fucked up, cause people start, they call about like, there's like, double, triple bluffing. Where like, first they're like, are they pretending to not be a traitor? Then it's like, are they pretending to not be a traitor, to be a traitor, to not be a traitor? Like, it's so many layers and mindfuckery. I also, I feel like you'd be amazing at it if there wasn't physical stuff involved. I feel like I would nervous giggle the whole time, and people would be like, she's gotta go, like, if she giggles again.

• 47:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Fucking hate us at the round table, because all we would do would be like, oh, you're a good one.

• 47:30Hannah Berner?

  People take it so seriously, like, people are cursing each other out, and I'm like, they're not talking about you. There's, it's a game of, if you're a traitor, and people are like, fuck you and fuck this. I'm like, what are we, what are we fighting, like, they're not saying you're evil. They're saying, did Al- did Alan Cummings tap you on their, on the shoulder or not? By the way, his outfits are spectacular, cause I kinda love that he doesn't even acknowledge it, like, he just walks in the room.

• 47:57Paige DeSorbo?

  He should win an Emmy, literally, just for his outfits.

• 48:00Hannah Berner?

  He's incredible, the trait- the traitors, the traitor, the traitors, traitors.

• 48:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, I love that you're watching.

• 48:06Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, but um, I'm starting to fast forward through the like activities because I'm like, I just want to see them at the table. So it's, that's fun for me. That's fun for me. We're having some fun with that. Did you watch Him and Hers?

• 48:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Of course.

• 48:21Hannah Berner?

  Should I watch it?

• 48:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, one of the best shows I've actually probab- one of the best shows I've watched in like three years, I would say.

• 48:30Hannah Berner?

  What?

• 48:31Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, in terms of like, it's one season, you're not getting another season. It's like a mini-series.

• 48:37Hannah Berner?

  I do love a mini-series. I love a bow at the end. I also love both those actors.

• 48:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, I love the guy in that. He's like the guy from Wolf of Wall Street. He just like gives me like...

• 48:47Hannah Berner?

  Is he the one, the like Italian with the like strong nose? Yeah, you love that shit. I love that shit too.

• 48:52Paige DeSorbo?

  I love that shit. I love, yeah. I love him. Here's what we don't talk about enough as women. Thinning hair is common and there's something you can actually do about it. Hers gives you access to prescription hair regrowth treatment personalized to you and delivered right to your door. Are you ever looking at photos and part of your hair looks wider than it used to? Or you notice in the mirror, your hair just looking different? And then the shower drain. There's so much hair. Hers is built around the science of hair regrowth. Getting started is simple. All you have to do is complete an intake form online and connect with a licensed provider who will determine if treatment is right for you. If prescribed, your treatment is delivered right to your door. No pharmacy trips, no insurance necessary.

• 49:36Paige DeSorbo?

  And all you have to do is see thicker, fuller hair. Get ready for thicker, fuller hair. Start your free online visit today at hers.com/giggly for personalized hair. That's F-O-R-H-E-R-S dot com slash giggly for hers dot com slash giggly. Individual results may vary. Featured products include compounded drug products which the FDA does not approve or verify for safety, effectiveness, or quality. Prescription required. Prices vary based on product and subscription plan. See website for full details, restrictions, and important safety information. I've always wanted to be more consistent with strength training, but my biggest problem is getting to the gym and thinking, okay, now what? I'll do a few exercises, I remember, maybe pull something up I saved on Instagram,

• 50:21Paige DeSorbo?

  but there's really never any planning behind it and you know I hate a workout class. That's why I've been loving the Ladder app. I can open it and my workout is already planned and I can do it anywhere. You have an expert coach and you know exactly what exercises you're doing, how many sets, how many reps, and the in-ear coaching gives you cues and motivation throughout the workout. It genuinely feels like you have a personal trainer in your headphones. I've been using this for a while now and I also feel and see myself getting stronger each day because of Ladder. I have also been eyeing their Pilates workout routines for a little while now, so that will definitely be my next workout venture. And for less than $1 a day, you can't beat it. And I love that Ladder remembers my weights, reps, and sets because I can actually see my progress instead of wondering whether I'm doing it all correctly.

• 51:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Plus, you can get a new plan every week that builds on the last. Remove the guesswork with Ladder and get a real coach in your ear telling you exactly what to do for every workout. No thinking, everything is planned for you. And if you have an iPhone, head to ladder.fit/giggly and take a quick quiz to find your perfect Ladder plan. Use our link to get a free seven-day trial with no credit card and $10 off your first month if you join.

• 51:30Hannah Berner?

  Gigglers, the holidays are coming and Arm and Hammer Hardball Cat Litter and I are making sure all my fellow cat parents are guest-ready. You guys know I'm obsessed with cats, I'm a cat missionary, and make sure everyone in my life has a cat and I'm doing really well at it. I foster and I'm constantly trying to help cats find homes. And around the holidays, I basically want everyone I know to fall in love with a cat and take one home. But the holidays, you guys are hosting, you have your cat, and you have such a to-do list, you know? Hiding things in closets, pretending you're clean, pulling out the snacks. One thing I do not need to add to that list is worrying about cat smell. Arm and Hammer Hardball Cat Litter keeps odors under control and forms compact clumps that make cleanup easy, so that part is already handled in the background.

• 52:13Hannah Berner?

  So then I can focus on my guests and maybe convince one of them they need a cat. For all my fellow cat parents, be guest-ready with Arm and Hammer Hardball Cat Litter. Find it now at Walmart or Amazon.

• 52:24Paige DeSorbo?

  You know when someone walks into a room and you're like, okay, she has something. It's confidence, it's that effortless, put-together energy. Honestly, a lot of time, it's the smile. Well, it doesn't happen by itself. There's chemistry behind the charisma. Colgate Optic White Pro Series Toothpaste is clinically proven to remove 15 years of stains when you brush twice daily for only two weeks. The formula is powered by hydrogen peroxide complex. Colgate's unique formulation of hydrogen peroxide, which is the ingredient dentists use to whiten teeth. Colgate Optic White Pro Series Toothpaste works at the molecular level to gently dissolve stains deep within the enamel where your brush can't reach. I have to drink my daily coffee every morning.

• 53:08Paige DeSorbo?

  I literally go to bed thinking about it. So, cutting out coffee is just not an option for me when it comes to whitening my teeth. And a good smile is kind of like a great outfit. You don't always know why someone looks put together, you just know that they do. I love that Colgate Optic White Pro Series Toothpaste works on those everyday stains while still being enamel safe for daily use. It's proof that daily routine can be remarkable. That's the science of wow. Colgate Optic White.

• 53:37Hannah Berner?

  Wait, can I say a crazy hot take?

• 53:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 53:40Hannah Berner?

  It's not juicy or anything, it's just diabolical.

• 53:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 53:44Hannah Berner?

  Depending on the scenario, sometimes I like when people play music on the subway, on speakerphone.

• 53:56Hannah Berner?

  Because sometimes it brings an ambiance that is needed.

• 54:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Sometimes it's like you have your own soundtrack through the world.

• 54:04Hannah Berner?

  Yes, sometimes you're having a bad day and someone puts on and you go, you know what? I'm feeling this.

• 54:10Paige DeSorbo?

  That's how I feel when I walk down the sidewalk and there's a delivery guy on a bike with his own boot box. You know, and I'm like, yeah, create your own joy.

• 54:18Hannah Berner?

  Playing blasting music on a subway seems insane until you need a pick-me-up and Ja Rule comes on.

• 54:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Honestly, that's the least weird thing that happens.

• 54:29Hannah Berner?

  It's literally just adding some ambiance to the...

• 54:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Down there is weird. It can get weird down there.

• 54:36Hannah Berner?

  Wait, so you agree?

• 54:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I don't mind...

• 54:41Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't mind.

• 54:41Hannah Berner?

  A little reggaeton.

• 54:43Paige DeSorbo?

  The subway is lawless. Like, there's no rules on the subway. So like, someone playing their music on speaker. It's not airport rules. It's not plane rules. So someone playing it on speaker, least of my worries because my head's on a swivel for way worse things. You know?

• 54:59Hannah Berner?

  By the way, I'm going rogue with what I'm watching because I'm watching reality TV and then I'm watching Fallout.

• 55:06Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't even know what that is.

• 55:08Hannah Berner?

  Okay, so Dez is one of these shows he just started and it was like, you're not gonna like it. So maybe he like kind of actually reversed mind fucked me. Cause he was like, you wouldn't like this. You wouldn't like this. And I'm like, maybe I will.

• 55:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, see, when anyone ever says that to me, I'm like, okay.

• 55:25Hannah Berner?

  The way he did it though, he's like, you know, like, but like Walton Goggins in it. It's about an apocalypse and I love apocalyptic stuff because that's what we're currently living in. Yeah, because I want to be prepared for the future.

• 55:37Paige DeSorbo?

  No, it scares me.

• 55:38Hannah Berner?

  I want to be prepared for the future. Sorry.

• 55:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Also, like, I'm just like not gonna ever be that dusty. I'm, oh.

• 55:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Are you gonna, would you try and live through an apocalypse?

• 55:48Hannah Berner?

  No.

• 55:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, me neither.

• 55:49Hannah Berner?

  Well, also because my husband, like, he's having problems with his knee. So like, he wouldn't be able to defend me and like, I just, I don't know.

• 55:56Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm not, I'm taking myself out. Have at it. Good luck, guys. See you up there.

• 56:02Hannah Berner?

  But like, no. This, it's actually, it's based off a video game. So it's kind of like The Last of Us. And, um, the acting is really good. It's like kind of funny. And I honestly, if any girls are like apocalyptic stuff, I think it's, I'm into it.

• 56:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay. Well, that seems very Hannah coded, but we're happy for you.

• 56:25Hannah Berner?

  Also, we went into, I'm staying at this hotel and they told us that there is like, it's really old and beautiful, great history and there may or may not, there may or may not be ghosts. I immediately get excited. Ally gets upset. She's like, please don't tell me that. And I said, please tell us more. I love a roommate. And Ally's like literally getting nervous. And I look at her, I'm like, you're no fucking fun. All you have to do is like give the ghosts good energy and like go have a good time. Like you're putting out bad vibes, then they'll like, so then she's like, just like, don't bring up it. It makes me really upset. So obviously like when I knocked on her door, I was like, huh.

• 57:05Hannah Berner?

  But like, honestly, like, life is so boring. I'd love a ghost. I'd love a ghost. Also, what are you gonna do, take me out? I dare you.

• 57:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 57:13Hannah Berner?

  I, I, I hope you do. If that's how I go, that's iconic.

• 57:17Paige DeSorbo?

  See, okay, you know what's crazy is there's definitely ghosts in my apartment building because my apartment building's so old. Like, someone has definitely died in my exact unit before.

• 57:29Hannah Berner?

  Well, someone told you that.

• 57:31Paige DeSorbo?

  No, they didn't, but...

• 57:33Hannah Berner?

  You heard? Or you felt it?

• 57:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, no, it's just so old. My building was built in like, is a pre-war building, so it's like...

• 57:40Hannah Berner?

  Which war?

• 57:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Who knows?

• 57:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Thank you so much for bringing that up.

• 57:46Hannah Berner?

  No one talks about that. Is it the war currently going on in my mind?

• 57:51Paige DeSorbo?

  War of 1812? What are we getting at here? No, in New York City, you, if you live here, for even a second, you will hear the phrase "pre-war." It's pre-war.

• 58:03Hannah Berner?

  Men love saying that. Oh my god.

• 58:06Paige DeSorbo?

  I used to be like, very anti-pre-war buildings, cuz I'm like, ew, dirty, gross.

• 58:11Hannah Berner?

  Like vintage clothing.

• 58:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Chic, character.

• 58:14Hannah Berner?

  Yes.

• 58:16Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't want your new, modern bullshit. I want something with a little gusto, something with a border, you know, something with...

• 58:23Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, I wanna hear a little kid singing at night.

• 58:28Paige DeSorbo?

  I want her in a little, like, I want her in a nightgown that goes to the floor, you know, and she's yelling "mum."

• 58:35Hannah Berner?

  Your twenties, you're scared of ghosts, and your thirties, you're like, I need some entertainment. I'm so sick of myself and everyone around me.

• 58:41Paige DeSorbo?

  I'd love some companionship, you know?

• 58:44Hannah Berner?

  Hold me at night, please.

• 58:47Paige DeSorbo?

  I do feel like if I were to...

• 58:49Hannah Berner?

  Your stomach's warm.

• 58:50Paige DeSorbo?

  If we were to get a ghost, we would get like, cool ghosts that are like...

• 58:54Hannah Berner?

  No, for sure. They'd be like, we've, we've heard the gossip and we wanna tell you... This is like, I've never said this out loud, this is so weird, but have you ever been in a room alone and smelled a fart? And you didn't fart?

• 59:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes, yes, yes. I've been...

• 59:09Hannah Berner?

  Are you serious?

• 59:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes.

• 59:10Hannah Berner?

  I've never said this out loud. I thought it was just me being insane, like farting and not knowing I farted. And it's not even my brand. Like, I'm like, what the fuck? Do you think ghosts fart?

• 59:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes, because, wait, I've...

• 59:23Paige DeSorbo?

  I've heard that like if there's a ghost or something, you'll feel like like a really wa- like you'll walk and it'll be like really warm air and you're like

• 59:33Hannah Berner?

  Like you're in a pool when someone pees.

• 59:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Or really cold. Yes. And there have been times where I've been in my apartment where I've been like, what is that smell? And then I like look at Kitty and like she looks at me and I'm like, okay, well, it's gotta be one of us.

• 59:47Hannah Berner?

  Which brings me to my next point of why I love cats.

• 59:51Paige DeSorbo?

  They can see ghosts.

• 59:53Hannah Berner?

  And cats don't fart.

• 59:58Hannah Berner?

  They're girls.

• 59:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Cats don't fart.

• 59:59Hannah Berner?

  Like dogs will fart and like clear the room. Even if my cat did fart, I would blame it on someone else. Like Butter doesn't. Cats don't fart.

• 1:00:09Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I've never heard cats fart. Yeah, she would do like in her privacy, she's like, put some respect on her name. She has coof. You know, dogs are just out here like ripping ass.

• 1:00:21Hannah Berner?

  You're like eating and everyone's like, what is that in my mouth?

• 1:00:24Paige DeSorbo?

  And they look at you. They look at you like what? And you're like, hello?

• 1:00:29Hannah Berner?

  You can like hear it. Like I've heard a dog fart, like diabolical. They like show off.

• 1:00:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, one of like the biggest revelations of my life and I like think about this all the time and I don't know why is the one time I went dog sledding. I didn't know that.

• 1:00:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Don't even get me started. It was when I did that goddamn winter house. So they make me go dog sledding and one of the things that I didn't realize is when you're sitting in the sled and the dogs are running, they're also shitting the entire time.

• 1:01:00Hannah Berner?

  No.

• 1:01:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:02Hannah Berner?

  Does it like kick up at you?

• 1:01:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Almost. I was like, what is this? And they were like, well, they're, they're exerting so much energy. And I was like, so this is animal abuse?

• 1:01:13Hannah Berner?

  No, first of all, full and Pete is fuming. You're gonna get a call. Second of all, um, is it like your adrenaline goes and you have to like

• 1:01:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Kinda.

• 1:01:23Hannah Berner?

  You guys phone and you have to poop?

• 1:01:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Honestly, yes. I'm like, so I have to like. Endure their shit because no, that's why I don't like.

• 1:01:34Hannah Berner?

  Cats wouldn't do that. Cats would never do that.

• 1:01:36Paige DeSorbo?

  You want me to pull you on a sled? Okay.

• 1:01:38Hannah Berner?

  Since we're at the, every pod, you know, we get to the customary poop part. I have, I have to poop. I just have to say something which is diabolical, but I'm gonna say it because if people are made it to this point in the episode, they, they get us. Um, there's something that people don't talk about enough. And it's this rare thing that happens, particularly to me, where every now and then you go to dinner and you're like not that hungry and you're like, damn it, like, I want to be hungry for this, but you're not that hungry, you don't know why. And then after the appetizers.

• 1:02:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Me literally every time I go out to dinner because I have anxiety.

• 1:02:13Hannah Berner?

  After the appetizers, I realize I'm gonna go to the bathroom. A mid-dinner poop feels like a puking rally when you're partying. Cause you thought you were out. You thought that you were out and you come back a new woman and you're like, bring the fucking entree. It's round two, motherfucker. I pooped in the middle of a sushi extravaganza.

• 1:02:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Right there on the table.

• 1:02:41Hannah Berner?

  The way I was shoveling sushi, Dez was like, where did you get this, this second wind? And I said, you don't even want to know what happened in the bathroom. But it's like you, you feel like you come back to life. It's, pooping during dinner is underrated.

• 1:02:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Your commitments to shitting in public is truly.

• 1:02:58Hannah Berner?

  I didn't know you weren't supposed to. Don't put a toilet there if you don't want me shitting it. Why is there a toilet there?

• 1:03:06Hannah Berner?

  Also, I don't like that men can shit and we can't shit. Actually, a lot of men get, a lot of men don't shit in public.

• 1:03:14Hannah Berner?

  The first thing I do when I go to a public place is I'm like, where can I poop?

• 1:03:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, no, you're like a dog where you have to pee on things like that's mine. That's mine. You're like, good facilities here. I'll take a shit.

• 1:03:26Hannah Berner?

  Strong flush.

• 1:03:27Paige DeSorbo?

  What a diabolical episodes this has been so far.

• 1:03:30Hannah Berner?

  Oh, God. Well, I want to thank Duncan for partnering with us for the episode. These refreshers are so, so good.

• 1:03:37Paige DeSorbo?

  And we've gone on literally eight rants.

• 1:03:39Hannah Berner?

  Which one did you, did you get?

• 1:03:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Um, strawberry dragon fruit with a little sparkling water.

• 1:03:45Hannah Berner?

  Mango pineapple refresher with green tea. As you guys know, I always do. Um, we love you guys so much. Thank you for giggling with us. Yeah, I'm gonna be in LA on Thursday. Come to the show in LA. Also, San Francisco.

• 1:03:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Um, okay, also, I have one housekeeping thing. I have a, my Amazon Live, not this week. This week is a solo episode, but my one next week that I'm, will be announcing is the one that I had to take a beta blocker for. Cause everyone was like, was it for Morgan Stewart? And I was like, no, I freaking love Morgan. Was it for Brooks? No, like, we had so much fun. This one, I had, this is the one I had to take a beta blocker.

• 1:04:23Hannah Berner?

  I think I took a beta blocker when you told me about it.

• 1:04:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:26Hannah Berner?

  Very exciting. Very exciting. Um, we love you guys so much and we'll giggle with you on Friday. Bye.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  Mr. Monopoly here. Miss me? Monopoly is back at McDonald's with millions of prizes. A 2027 Jeep Cherokee, a Carnival Cruise vacation, gift cards from DoorDash, and Best Buy. Feel free in the McDonald's app. Get your bag.

• 1:04:57Speaker 03

  No purchase necessary. 50 U.S. and D.C. age 18+. See playatmcd.com for rules and playatmcd.com/amoe for info and playing without purchase by mail by November 2nd. Chance card game ends November 8th. Game ends November 22nd, 2026. See rules for prize details. Monopoly is a registered trademark of Hasbro.

• 1:05:10Speaker 04

  Hi, I'm Angie Hicks, co-founder of Angie. From roof repair to emergency plumbing and more. When you use Angie for your home projects, you know all your jobs will be done well. Angie, the one you trust to find the ones you trust. Find a pro for your project at angie.com.