997 Joe Dispenza on 3 Secrets to Unlock the POWER of Your Mind

“When you're no longer identifying with your body, your environment, and time, that’s the moment you’re pure consciousness.”Lewis is joined by groundbreaking researcher Dr. Joe Dispenza to discuss how to align your brain and heart, stop being controlled by stress, and live in a state of happiness, gratitude, creativity, and love. The first step to owning your life is mastering your mind, and this episode gives you the tools you need. Mel Robbins: The “Secret” Mindset Habit to Building Confidence and Overcoming Scarcity: https://link.chtbl.com/970-podMaster Your Mind and Defy the Odds with David Goggins: https://link.chtbl.com/715-pod Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  This is episode number 997 with New York Times bestselling author Dr. Joe Dispenza. Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:30Speaker 00

  Dennis Wayley once said, "If you believe you can, you probably can. If you believe you won't, you most assuredly won't." Belief is the ignition switch that gets you off the launching pad. According to Louise Hay, "Every thought we think is creating our future." I'm so glad you're here because my guest today is a School of Greatness legend and one of the true masters at mastering your mind. Dr. Joe Dispenza is an internationally renowned science researcher and New York Times bestselling author, and he's made it his life's work to understand the brain-body connection and learn to heal yourself with your mind. Now, I know this might sound a little weird, but I'm telling you, it's legit,

• 1:14Speaker 00

  and Joe has actionable advice that will transform your life. In this episode, we discuss a simple guide to expanding your consciousness, how to escape the shackles of stress, what you can do to create coherence between your heart, mind, and body, how to activate your heart in order to amplify energy in your brain, the real relationship between thoughts and emotions, and so much more. This is actually a very special episode, as we took the best clips from three different interviews I did with Dr. Joe Dispenza. And here's why I'm doing this. Now, after a few conversations with Joe, I'm really starting to understand

• 1:55Speaker 00

  what he's teaching. So I wanted to distill that wisdom and put it in one easy-to-digest place. You'll see, we start here with expanding your energy and shifting your focus, because that's where your transformation begins. Get ready for the inspirational Dr. Joe Dispenza.

• 2:16Lewis Howes?

  How do we change our energy and how do we sustain it for extended period of time? How long does that time need to be until we really start to see?

• 2:23Joe Dispenza?

  Sometimes immediate. Okay, so our research, and we've done in the last six years, because we were seeing so many incredible, incredible things going on in our workshops. I mean, people stepping out of wheelchairs and all kinds of crazy things.

• 2:38Lewis Howes?

  Like a church?

• 2:39Joe Dispenza?

  Kind of like...

• 2:40Lewis Howes?

  A church, like a mega church, yeah.

• 2:42Joe Dispenza?

  Hopefully not that.

• 2:43Lewis Howes?

  But isn't it amazing that some of these churches, when people get to believe, whether they have science backing it or not, it's the belief in the mind.

• 2:50Joe Dispenza?

  They step out into the unknown.

• 2:51Lewis Howes?

  You can step out of your body and heal yourself, right?

• 2:54Joe Dispenza?

  Instantaneously, instantaneously.

• 2:56Lewis Howes?

  And we do see that a lot. And some people are like, "Ah, that's... how can that be possible?"

• 3:00Joe Dispenza?

  Well, how can it be possible? Well, we've...

• 3:02Lewis Howes?

  You've done the research now.

• 3:03Joe Dispenza?

  I've assembled a team of scientists. We've done 8,500 brain scans. I can tell you, I can tell you when a person's about ready to change. I can tell you why people don't change. I can tell you what it takes to change.

• 3:14Lewis Howes?

  So what's it take to change?

• 3:16Joe Dispenza?

  Well, you change. Most people keep their attention, always their awareness on their body. They keep their attention on everything in their environment, people and things. Their brain is always scanning everything around us to determine what's known and unknown, what's safe and unsafe, right? And, you know, we do that all the time. So our research shows that the moment you take your attention off your body and you go from somebody to nobody, you take your attention off the people in your life and go from who you identify with, from someone to no one. And so many people spend their whole life building an identity of being someone. Take your attention off your cellphone, your computer, your car, and go from something to nothing.

• 3:59Joe Dispenza?

  Take your attention off where you're sitting, where you need to be, someplace you have to go. Go from somewhere to nowhere. And take your attention off time, linear, thinking about the predictable future or the familiar past, and fall into the generous present moment and go from some time to no time. Then, all you're left with is consciousness. And that's the moment you're no longer playing by the same rules of matter to matter. And there's a very elegant moment that takes place in the brain. In fact, I was just showing my research to a group of researchers in Santa Cruz this past week. And they were blown away. And I said, now watch, this person, this person's going to have a transformational moment. They said, how do you know? I go, I've seen enough of these.

• 4:43Joe Dispenza?

  And the next moment, the whole brain just lights up. That person is switched on. They'll never be the same person again. They're having a transcendental moment. And we could actually predict it and teach it now. It's a formula. Just like you doing sports, it just becomes a formula. And then you change the formula and you add to it, right? So, when you no longer are identifying with your body, your environment, and time, that's the moment your pure consciousness. You're just an idea. You're an awareness. Awareness that has nothing to do with local space and time. And now, if you're no longer... You can go beyond anything. You can go beyond, and that's when the brain... Because the brain doesn't change the brain. It takes a long time.

• 5:26Joe Dispenza?

  It takes a long time for the personality to change the personality, for the ego to change the ego. The programs to change the programs takes forever. Matter takes a long time to change matter. But when you're in this moment, you're no longer playing by those rules. Consciousness is the phenomenon above matter. In fact, consciousness is beginning to activate or manipulate circuits in the brain. People just think the brain is creating consciousness. No, consciousness is executing the brain, right? So then, if the brain can change, then the mind doesn't change the brain. Mind is the brain in action. It's consciousness that changes it. So, when people begin to disengage and get beyond themselves, you are at your absolute best when you get beyond yourself. And getting the person to that point...

• 6:10Joe Dispenza?

  How does someone get to that point? Yeah, so we teach them that formula. We teach them to that point where all of a sudden, they reach that generous present moment where they just feel connected. And when they're in that place, all the things they thought they wanted... They actually no longer want because they feel like they already have them. So then imagine living your life from that place, you would be less judgmental. You would be less frustrated, you would be less impatient. And so, so the formula then is that it requires a clear intention, which is a coherent brain. And when you're living stressed out and something goes wrong and you're threatened, or you can't predict an outcome, or you have the perception that something's getting worse

• 6:53Joe Dispenza?

  or you can't control it, you switch on that fight or flight nervous system that we talked about. Now, here's what happens. When that occurs, you start shifting your attention from one person to one problem, to one thing, to another person, to another place, because your brain is trying to predict the next moment. Well, every one of those people and things and places has this neurological network in your brain. So as you shift your attention from one to the next, it's like a lightning storm in the clouds. Your brain starts firing very incoherently. When your brain is incoherent, you're incoherent. And when you're living by the hormones of stress, not a time to create. No. Not a time to open your heart. Not a time to learn. Not a time to trust. And it's a time to run, fight, or hide. So people spend 70% of their time of their life living in this state.

• 7:38Joe Dispenza?

  Wow. So think about it. Miserable. Yeah, so then when you're under stress, if there's, if there's a cougar around the corner, you're not going to sit down and meditate. You're not going to sit still, right? Jump up a tree. But so imagine, you've got, you've got the survival gene switched on and nobody is going to believe in possibility when you're living in survival, right? Wow, yeah. So then, when you're living in stress, what happens is you narrow your focus on the cause. You narrow your focus on matter, the object, the thing. And so people get switched on and all of their attention is on their outer world. When the hormones of stress kick on, the body gets an arousal, now your attention is on the body. And of course, when you're under stress, you're trying to predict the future based on the past. And now, you're literally enslaved into three dimensional reality.

• 8:22Joe Dispenza?

  So then, how do you get what you want? You gotta try harder, you gotta force it more, you gotta work hard, you gotta fight for it. It's matter trying to change matter. Exhausting. And people just burn out, right? So then, we now know that when you go from a narrow focus on something and you begin to open your focus, you create sense and awareness that the act of opening your focus causes you to stop thinking. And if you stop thinking, you no longer activate those circuits and you start to slow your brainwaves down. And as you slow your brainwaves down, you start connecting to that autonomic nervous system, the thing that's giving you life. And all of a sudden, when you get beyond yourself, it says, uh, he's gone. Let's step in and just clean up this mess before he gets back.

• 9:02Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 9:03Joe Dispenza?

  And its job is to create order and balance.

• 9:05Lewis Howes?

  Your body will start to do that for you.

• 9:06Joe Dispenza?

  The innate intelligence will step right in. Once you connect, you gotta connect. So you gotta know how to change your brainwaves. You can't change your brainwaves. You stay in that active state, you're basically moving furniture around. You're analyzing your life within some disturbing emotion. And I can tell you, after looking at all those brainstands, if you're analyzing your life within some disturbing emotion, you're going to make your brain worse. In fact, you are thinking in the past, right? So you teach people the formula, how to open their focus, change their brainwaves, connect to that invisible field, and all of a sudden, different compartments of the brain start synchronizing. The front of the brain starts talking to the back of the brain. The right side starts talking to the left side. And all of a sudden, what sinks in the brain links in the brain. And all of a sudden, you see this person starting to feel more like themselves.

• 9:50Joe Dispenza?

  And when you see those two hemispheres of the brain start lighting up, watch out, because that person's gonna feel really whole. They're gonna start loving life. They're gonna feel like, they're gonna be in love with life, because the union of polarity and duality is wholeness at the exact same time. Coherent brain, when you're resentful, when you're judgmental, when you're impatient, your heart beats out of rhythm. Why? You're stepping on the gas and you're stepping on the brake at the same time. Your body and its intelligence, living in survival, is saying, T-Rex is back there, but you're not running, because you're sitting across the table, looking at somebody smiling, and your body's revved up, right? So the heart is beating arrhythmically. And when that happens, you're squandering, or you're using all the body's life force and turning it into chemistry, right?

• 10:34Lewis Howes?

  Using all that energy to survive as opposed to think beyond.

• 10:38Joe Dispenza?

  Right, right. So you're drawing from your vital life force, that invisible field around your body, and you're turning it into chemistry. You actually are going to shrink your own field. The hormones of stress cause us to be materialists, right? When we're under stress, we're using our senses to determine reality. So now you feel more like matter and less like energy, more separate from possibility. So then... To teach a person then how to regulate that heart center. And we do this, we've done 6,000 heart scans. Why? Because if I can teach you how to get in that heart state, and I can teach you how to activate that center, and I can teach you how to regulate an elevated emotion, the heart starts to create a very coherent signature. And when the heart starts beating like a drum, like dropping a pebble in water,

• 11:22Joe Dispenza?

  it begins to produce a measurable magnetic field, up to three meters wide. Now you're more energy than matter, more wave than particle. Now, that field that's being created is measurable, and that's an energy. And energy is frequency, and all frequency carries information. So what is the information when it makes it here? That you're sharing into the world. It could carry the thought of your healing. Why? Because it's consistent with the energy. Guilt isn't going to carry the thought of your healing. It's a different frequency. And all of a sudden now, the person is elevating their emotional state and they're allowing their thought to be carried on that frequency. They're broadcasting a whole new energetic signature. But thoughts are the language of the brain and feelings are the language of the body. And how you think and how you feel

• 12:06Joe Dispenza?

  creates your state of being. So then the question is, if you keep practicing creating that state of being, it should become familiar to you. Yes or no? The word meditation literally means to become familiar with. So then if you're practicing moving into these elevated states and your heart is coherent and we're measuring, and I can say, Louis, you got it. Now do it for 30 minutes. Now do it for 60 minutes. And you practice creating that coherence. You'll know when you're there and when you're not. Yes or no? And then you would be able to say, like a skill, like anything else, give me a minute. I'm going to step out and you're going to go back in the heart coherence and bring up that state. How do we get there in the heart? Oh, well, then we practice a formula. Again, rest your attention, start calling up elevated emotions.

• 12:50Joe Dispenza?

  And when you start seeing that that starts happening, then you sustain it. Then you keep practicing. And all of a sudden, it gets longer and longer and longer. Now what's the relevance behind that? Well, we've measured neurotransmitters. So when a person actually activates their heart, the heart releases a chemical called oxytocin. Oxytocin is actually the love chemical. Oxytocin signals nitric oxide. Nitric oxide signals another chemical called endothelial-derived relaxing factor. What does that do? Causes the vessels in your heart to swell. You will literally have energy in your heart. You will literally feel like your heart is full. Now, once you have that feeling, you're not going to want to trade that feeling for anyone or anything.

• 13:33Joe Dispenza?

  You're going to say, "Why would I judge that person? If I judge that person, I'm going to lose this feeling." Now, all of a sudden, you're self-regulating. Now, once the heart is activated, I just was at the research lab this week. Once the heart is activated, it acts as an amplifier, and it amplifies energy in the brain. So, once you start opening that heart, and it begins to signal the brain, you're going to suppress the survival centers. In fact, the research shows, it will reset your baseline. In other words, if you're anxious and vigilant, and you learn how to self-regulate, you'll actually reset the baseline. And you'll say, "Well, the trauma was 15 years ago. I saw somebody get murdered," or whatever. And then we'll say, "Yeah, yeah, yeah."

• 14:16Joe Dispenza?

  But the moment, the heart, not the brain, it's the heart that actually resets the amygdala. And all of a sudden, the person all of a sudden switches down. And all of a sudden, like, "I just don't have anxiety." We have thousands of brain scans with anxiety and depression from people from all walks of life. They've reset. And all of a sudden, they don't have that anxiety. They don't have to take medications or do anything. They know how to self-regulate. Where does all anxiety stem from? Anxiety is doing this. Living in survival, when you're living in survival, I'll tell you this. When the survival gene is activated, out of the infinite potentials in the quantum field, you'll always choose the worst-case scenario. Why? Because if you're in survival and you're preparing for the worst, there's always better chances of surviving if anything less happens.

• 15:01Joe Dispenza?

  So people are always selecting the worst thing in their mind and they begin to emotionally embrace that future before it happens. Thought and emotion, you start conditioning. So you're conditioning the body to become the mind of fear. You keep doing that enough times, once the body becomes the mind, it's a subconscious program. A person has a panic attack. Try as you may to control it with your conscious mind, you can't, you programmed it subconsciously. Now you worry about the next panic attack and as you start worrying about the next panic attack, it's the vigilance that creates the next one. Now here's what's happening in our work. People who are self-regulating and creating these elevated states, we have heart scans of them sustaining heart coherence for a whole hour during a meditation.

• 15:45Joe Dispenza?

  Then, at the end of the day, they're still wearing the monitor. It's 8 o'clock at night, they're not even in a meditation and for a whole entire hour, they're in heart coherence. We say to the woman, "What's going on here?" She said, "I have no idea, I was just getting ready for bed and all of a sudden, my heart just swelled up. It was so intense, I had to lay on my back and surrender to love instead of surrendering to fear." She had a spontaneous love attack instead of a spontaneous panic attack. Now, I would call that the natural state of being. So then, if you're living by those elevated states and you know how to feel that emotion of your future before it happens, you're less likely to wait for it to happen because you'll feel like it already happened. You'll less likely try to control it. You'll know that the moment you lose the feeling,

• 16:30Joe Dispenza?

  you just disconnected and you're gonna make your way back. And when you get good at it, no person, no thing, no experience can take it away from you. Now, you're empowered. And if you understand the laws of how creation happens, then you're less likely to compete and rush to get what you want. You're gonna know that it's gonna come to you. And now, that's the new model of how we create.

• 16:51Lewis Howes?

  Knowing it's gonna come to us at the right time? What if we want it faster?

• 16:55Joe Dispenza?

  Well, you just do it again. But remember, if you're trying to make it happen faster, you're back to the old self. The new self would never do that. The new self would constantly stay there. And so then, how does it appear? It appears in a way that you can't expect. Because if you can predict it, it's the known. It's gonna come in a way that you haven't thought of, an unknown. And it's gotta rock your world, it's gotta catch you off-guard, it's gotta leave you no doubt that what you've been doing inside of you, that produces some effect outside of you. And when you correlate what you've been doing inside of you with the effect that you produced outside of you, you're gonna pay attention to what you did and do it again. And the energy, the joy that you feel when it happens, you're gonna use that energy to create again.

• 17:40Joe Dispenza?

  Now, people say to me, "Well, I'm this way because of that person and that thing." I would say to them, "So you mean then that person or that experience out there is controlling your thoughts and feelings? Oh, that means you're a victim to your environment." But when you start changing your thoughts and feelings and it starts to produce an effect in your environment, you're gonna change the belief that you're a victim consciously or subconsciously of your life to becoming more of a creator of your life. And now, all of a sudden, you become more a creator of your life, you can't blame anybody. You can't say, "Well, that person or that thing." You'd have to say, "I gotta be greater than that environmental condition." Who in history can I study that had the same challenges? Now, what did they do?

• 18:21Joe Dispenza?

  Let me just work that into my rehearsal, so that I can improve, right? Just like you've done with sports, it's the same process.

• 18:28Lewis Howes?

  What's more powerful than our thoughts or our emotions? And do our emotions change our thoughts, or do our thoughts change our emotions?

• 18:36Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, the answer is yes. The answer is both. I mean, thoughts, to me, produce an electrical charge in the quantum field. And feelings produce a magnetic charge in the quantum field.

• 18:50Lewis Howes?

  Thoughts, wait, thoughts produce a what?

• 18:52Joe Dispenza?

  An electrical charge.

• 18:53Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 18:53Joe Dispenza?

  And feelings produce a magnetic charge. And how you think and how you feel broadcasts an electromagnetic signature that influences every single atom in your life. The thought sends the signal out, now think about this, and the feeling draws the event back. So you could have the intent that you want wealth, you want health, you want success, that's your intent, that's your thought. But if you're waiting for the experience to happen, to feel it, then you're not drawing the experience to you because you're not feeling the emotion, right? So then... Teaching people once again how to balance their thoughts and feelings. Because you can, you can enter that cycle either place. Sometimes we do a meditation.

• 19:38Joe Dispenza?

  Start opening our heart, we start elevating the body's energy. And then those emotions can drive certain thoughts of your future. Other times, you open your awareness, you create brain coherence. You have the vision of your future. You begin to emotionally experience it. However you want to jump on that cycle. And then sustain it. Because the longer you're conscious of that energy. The more you're drawing your future to you. So then, most people spend their lives, right? We live in this realm called space-time, three-dimensional reality. And you move your body through space. In three-dimensional reality, it takes time. So everything, all your goals, all your dreams, all your visions. You're gonna have to get your body up and drag it through space every day to pay off that,

• 20:22Joe Dispenza?

  you know, that home that's in your future, right? When you create from the field instead of from matter. When you have a vibrational match between your energy and some potential. And your thoughts and feelings are coherent. Now, you are going to begin to collapse time. And space, or the experience is gonna be drawn to you. Now, now you're the vortex to your destiny. And now, you don't have to go anywhere to get it. Because you're not playing by the rules of three-dimensional reality. You're playing by the rules of energy and the quantum. So teaching people how to do this and getting better at it. Then all of a sudden, they're not forcing and controlling outcomes. In fact, they're trusting and surrendering to outcomes. Because they don't want to get in the way.

• 21:06Joe Dispenza?

  Because the moment you start trying to predict when it's gonna happen. Or how it's gonna happen. You're overlaying a known over a place where there should be an unknown. Right? So teaching people how to do that. Means we have to lay down the very thing we used our whole life. To get what we want. For something greater to occur, right? And so that transcendental moment. Is something that we're working on demystifying. And, and you could be gluten-free person. You could be a gluten-full person. You could drink wine, not drink wine. You could be rich, you could be poor, you could be any color, any shape, any size. In fact, you can't tell me you're too old to do this work. You can't tell me that. We've got elders in this work that we show you their brain scans and you'd be blown away.

• 21:51Joe Dispenza?

  They know how to do it. You can't tell me you're too sick to do this work. We've got people that have reversed stage four cancer numerous times. And yeah, it took a Herculean effort to do it, but they love themselves for it. You can't tell me that you're too out of shape, or too overweight, or too underweight. You can't... I've seen it in all shapes and sizes. You can't even tell me that you had a brutal past. I've had people that have had very, very dismal pasts that are free, that are happy people. You can't even tell me you never meditated before. In fact, our research shows that many people have never meditated before have the most profound experiences because they're not trying to make anything happen. They're just following the instructions, right? And they don't have a habit of doing it. So, we don't want to exclude anybody in the process.

• 22:36Joe Dispenza?

  We want to include everybody. So, it turns out that our events tend to draw a good portion of men because of the science. We have a lot of children now, teenagers that are coming, and people in their twenties. We have a great community of elders. We have, in our events, sometimes 63 different cultures coming to... Countries coming to our events between 50 and 65. So, we want to make it so inclusive that community becomes the side effect. Because with a community of like-minded, like, similar energy of people,

• 23:19Joe Dispenza?

  everybody understands, they get one another. You know, communities tends to be the thing now that, in terms of our social media and the feedback we're getting, everybody wants more community because you get a thousand people in the audience and their energy's synchronized. Now, you're taking something so much bigger. We're just going to measure this. I just talked to a researcher yesterday. We're going to measure a thousand people when they reach that synchronized moment when we know that the entire social coherence in the room is orderly. Then if you're producing an ambient coherent magnetic field in your heart and...

• 23:59Joe Dispenza?

  You're tuning into a thought or an intent. And you've got a thousand people doing that. And your energy is gonna start interfering and co-mingling with the person that's next to you. When that energy starts to synchronize, it's gonna produce a bigger wave. The higher the amplitude, the higher the wave, the more energy there is. So now you have one mind and one heart. And now when it comes to healing others, and we've done the research on this now. And we're collecting the data that we're teaching people how to administer a change in energy in a person that's laying there. Because it's not matter that emits a field. That's the wrong way to think about it. It's the field that creates matter. You change the field, you change matter. It's not your job to change the tumor. The tumor is the illusion.

• 24:43Joe Dispenza?

  It's the pattern in the field that has to be changed. So, once people start reversing this, then you start seeing tumors disappearing. You start seeing blind people seeing, deaf people hearing. You start seeing people with Parkinson's disease switch on. I mean, you start seeing stage four cancers reversing because now you're swimming upstream. You're going to the headwaters and making that change. So, pushing the envelope and then seeing that in a community, when a community's synchronized towards the second half of a week-long event. I mean, as I said before we started the show, I'm more surprised than anybody when we witness some of these things. It's crazy.

• 25:22Lewis Howes?

  What is the... We talked about, I heard you say consciousness a couple of times. What's the difference between mindset and consciousness?

• 25:30Joe Dispenza?

  To me, consciousness is awareness. Awareness is paying attention and noticing. And so, 95% of who we are by the time we're 35 years old is a set of unconscious, automatic programs that we've just practiced so many times that we're not consciously thinking about those. So in order for you to change, to answer the initial question that you asked, the first step is you gotta become conscious of your unconscious thoughts. And you gotta start looking at those hardwired thoughts that you think every day, that are just circuits that have been fired and wired together.

• 26:04Lewis Howes?

  How do we do that? Should we write a list at the end of the day? Or what are the most common thoughts we had that day? Like, how does someone become aware of their thoughts?

• 26:10Joe Dispenza?

  You don't have to do that. You just have to sit down, close your eyes, and not move. And then you'll get, you'll start seeing.

• 26:15Lewis Howes?

  What am I thinking about right now?

• 26:16Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, and all you wanna do is observe the thought. Because...

• 26:22Joe Dispenza?

  When you begin to observe that thought, you're no longer the program now. You're the consciousness observing the program and you're starting to pull out of the program.

• 26:31Lewis Howes?

  Thinking about the thinking.

• 26:32Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, who's doing the thinking of the thinking, about the thinking? That's who you are when you're not the program. That's awareness, right? You gotta become aware of how you speak, how you act, become so conscious, so aware of it that you won't go unconscious and let that thought or that behavior run you. You gotta say, "Oh, my God, this feeling that I've been living by for the last 20 years is actually guilt. I didn't know it was guilt 'cause it just feels like me." And all of a sudden, as you start becoming conscious of it, you're beginning to objectify your subjective self. You're pulling out of those programs and nobody likes to do that 'cause it's uncomfortable. They'd rather turn on their cellphone, start texting, get on the internet, you know, watch TV, to distract them from that moment.

• 27:16Joe Dispenza?

  And that is what they have to move through in order to get to their own personal freedom. So, the first step is becoming conscious. And meditation means to become familiar with, to become conscious of, to become so conscious of your unconscious self that you won't go unconscious to any thought, any behavior, or emotion. And get ready, because it takes a tremendous amount of energy to do that and awareness

• 27:43Lewis Howes?

  To stay conscious.

• 27:44Joe Dispenza?

  To stay conscious. And so, we fall from grace.

• 27:48Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 27:48Joe Dispenza?

  Fine, you're awake, you got another day? Let's go again.

• 27:52Lewis Howes?

  How often do you fall?

• 27:53Joe Dispenza?

  Oh, my gosh. I mean, how many times have I done it? Thousands, but I'm not gonna give up because the moments in which I do connect or the moments that I do have that transcendental experience, what matters the most after it, when I have that transcendental moment, I look back at all of those difficult meditations, those difficult days. And those are the ones you remember. You don't remember the good meditations. You remember the ones where you came up against yourself and you wanna go further. And you said, "I'm gonna go a little further, I'm gonna go a little further." Or, you had a rough day and you just went in and you just, at the end of the day, you surrender and you have the classic, "Oh, my God" moment. There's no linear correlation. It's just whether you're willing to live in creation instead of living in survival.

• 28:38Joe Dispenza?

  And so you get better at it. You know, we just get better at it. And for me, staying conscious and staying aware and staying present is an art. Because you know when someone's present with you in your life because they're paying attention to you. You know when they're not present with you because they're not paying attention to you. So imagine this field of information, this intelligence that lives within you and I that's governing everything material in this world. It's a self-organizing intelligence. You have access to it, so you better get present with it as well as you can get present with anything else. And just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That realm you can't experience with your senses.

• 29:21Joe Dispenza?

  You can only experience with your awareness. So if someone has spent their whole life working on having the perfect body or so much so they have so much attention on their pain, where you place your attention is where you place your energy. It's going to take some work for them to take all of their attention off their body. Right? Because they'll go, they'll do it and then they'll go back. Let's see if the pain's still there. Oh, the pain's still there. So it's a little bit of a waltz in the beginning, but as people start applying this, you start getting better at it.

• 29:49Lewis Howes?

  I feel like we've brainwashed ourselves over the years to believe a story of the past is who we are and who we will always be in the future. So how do we brainwash ourselves in times of stress and anxiety in order to become more peaceful, loving, and successful in the future? How do we brainwash ourselves in a different way?

• 30:10Joe Dispenza?

  That's what I have spent about my whole life. And wow, I mean, the first and most important thing is that you have to understand that if 95% of who you are is a set of unconscious programs, then the first step is lighting a match in a dark place. If you want to become someone else, you got to become aware of who you are. That means you got to start thinking about what you've been thinking about. You got to start paying attention to how you speak. You got to be conscious.

• 30:39Lewis Howes?

  Being conscious to every thought, action, word, emotion, feeling, expression, body language, everything you need to be aware of and conscious of.

• 30:49Joe Dispenza?

  Self-aware.

• 30:50Lewis Howes?

  Is there a way that you help people to track? This besides of just like, okay, I'm aware of this in the moment. Do they journal their thoughts throughout the day? Or when a negative thought comes up, do they remember the way their body language is throughout the day, closed off and guarded or open? Do they, how do they self-reflect where they can track it better?

• 31:09Joe Dispenza?

  Well, that's a big question, but I will tell you this. When you become so familiar with your thoughts, so aware of your emotions, so conscious of your habits, that you wouldn't go unconscious to them again, now you're no longer the program, right? So, so getting people disentangled from that program, we found out is a formula. And when we teach people how to do certain things with their focus and opening their awareness, when we teach them how to create a very disorderly brain that has been driven by the hormones of stress into a more orderly coherent brain, and teach them how to open their focus and practice that, they'll come up against those thoughts and they'll become so familiar with them, listen to this, they won't believe them anymore when they come up any longer.

• 31:52Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 31:52Joe Dispenza?

  And so when they hear them in their day, they'll be like, that's not going to stop me from my future. So if they're sitting there and they want to quit, just because they're sitting still and they're not quitting, then they're developing a will that's greater than those programs. And you're breaking out of the shell and you keep doing that, you're going to get up and do the work every day because you did it yesterday and you're going to want to do more of that because you're getting out of your past and it feels better. And if you keep doing that and you keep feeling better every day, the question is, why wouldn't you do it every day? Because you would ultimately just feel better. And then the more whole you feel means the more you are connected to your future. Imagine if you felt every single day, and this is what I do work on, if I could stay

• 32:35Joe Dispenza?

  connected to the emotions of my future all day long, there's no way I would be looking for when it would be happening. How could I look for when it would be happening if I feel like it's happening? I wouldn't look anymore, which means I wouldn't be separate from it. And that's when you start creating the magic, right? That's when you're in that zone. And that's when that reaffirms that personality that you're becoming. And now you don't, you know, wake up in the morning, oh God, I gotta create my future. Now you're, you're, you're gonna jump out of bed because

• 33:00Lewis Howes?

  Excited.

• 33:01Joe Dispenza?

  You're not going to want that magic to end. That's the key. So, so you teach people how to do this and they start seeing the events in their life. They're not gonna wanna miss a day in, in really just getting beyond their personality. And listen, it's so cool because it's amazing. You see all these people come in for success and new careers and new relationships and healing from a disease and mystical experience. They come in for all these different kinda reasons. Healing from childhood trauma. But really, they just want wholeness.

• 33:33Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 33:34Joe Dispenza?

  And so as they start becoming more whole and they start feeling more whole, it's not coming from anywhere out there. It's not coming from out there. Nothing out there is making them feel whole. When the novelty of the thing wears off, you feel empty again. They're feeling whole from within. Oh, this is different. This is a different game. So why wouldn't you wanna keep feeling more whole that you no longer want anything? Now, now you're not, now you're not living in separation anymore. That's the cool part.

• 34:00Lewis Howes?

  If someone is so disconnected to their future, their greater future self, if they're so negative thoughts, suicidal thoughts, often hurting themselves potentially, often just don't have many close friends, don't feel like they identify with themselves in the world, don't feel like anyone understands them, no one accepts them, no one gets them. Like, this all sounds great in theory, but when you're in a place of survival mode and your thoughts constantly, how can someone like that without having to go through the workshop that doesn't have the opportunity to go right now, what can they start to do to just give some a little bit of relief and peace in their heart?

• 34:43Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, it's simple. Knowledge, experience, wisdom. Philosophy, initiate that philosophy, master it.

• 34:53Lewis Howes?

  Yep.

• 34:53Joe Dispenza?

  Mind, body, soul. Thinking, doing, being. Learning with your head, applying with your hands, knowing it by heart. And this is the journey of knowledge because when you learn that information and you really study it, you are going to begin to see the world differently because your brain is changing. Then when you start saying, how can I use this? How can I apply it? How can I personalize it? How could I do something, initiate this information? What do I gotta do? How do I get my behaviors to match my intentions? Now, this is the act of trial and error. It's so important. You don't make it the first time, you don't give up, you get up and you try to walk again. And you start learning how to do this. And so as you begin to do it over and over again, you start having new experiences.

• 35:36Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 35:37Joe Dispenza?

  Well, new experiences enrich the circuits in your brain philosophically. And now the brain makes a chemical. And now you're feeling more unlimited. You're feeling more whole. You're teaching your body chemically to understand what your mind intellectually understood. And now you are literally, literally starting to embody that knowledge.

• 35:56Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 35:56Joe Dispenza?

  It's coming, it's signaling new Jesus, new information. But, but you can't do it one day and expect your wealth to come. You gotta do it over and over again.

• 36:03Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 36:03Joe Dispenza?

  So the repetition of practicing over and over again, neurochemically conditions, the mind and body begin to work as one. You've done it so many times, the body now knows how to do it subconsciously.

• 36:16Lewis Howes?

  Just like it, just like it knew how to subconsciously lean into trauma and victim mode.

• 36:20Joe Dispenza?

  Right.

• 36:20Lewis Howes?

  Decades.

• 36:21Joe Dispenza?

  Now the body's getting new information. It's going to adapt. And, and now you're going to literally become that knowledge. You're going to become it. That's what you're going to become. And so now that's when you no longer have to try. It's who you are.

• 36:33Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 36:34Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, you've memorized an internal order that's greater than anything in your outer world. That's going to tell you something else. That's key right there.

• 36:40Lewis Howes?

  And you become immunity to negative thoughts or negative viruses, where if something tries to, someone tries to say something to you, your body just rejects it automatically, just as if your physical body would reject some virus coming in. Is that correct?

• 36:54Joe Dispenza?

  It's absolutely the way.

• 36:55Lewis Howes?

  If I said, Dr. Joe, you can't do it. You're stupid. You're ugly. You're not smart enough. You're not this. You wouldn't even, they wouldn't even, it would just bounce right off you. You wouldn't even receive it because your field is so powerful. It's pushing all that away.

• 37:07Joe Dispenza?

  No, because it's not the truth.

• 37:09Lewis Howes?

  There you go. You just laugh. It just be like, okay, that's just not real.

• 37:13Joe Dispenza?

  But if I kept telling you, you know, you need this product, you need this drug to feel better, to look better, to be better. Let's appeal to your lack. And if you buy this, it'll make that feeling go away. And you try it for a while, then the feeling doesn't go away anymore. You gotta try something else. And now watch the news and listen to all that information. It's telling you, you're limited. You're, you know, you're limited. It's something out there is going to get you. There's nothing wrong with that, this. But if you're constantly saying it's traffic, it's the news, it's politics, it's my ex, that's making me feel and think this way, then you're subconsciously, not consciously. Affected by your environment and you'll be more affected by your environment.

• 37:55Joe Dispenza?

  It's not a conscious process, but the more you say, I'm going to, in spite of the fear that we talked about, or the anxiety, or the frustration, or the aggression, or the hostility, or whatever it is, or pain, the suffering, instead of saying that I can't change that, you know what, I'm gonna think, I'm gonna see if I can. Where can I find that information? And all of a sudden, you find people that are doing it and it makes sense to you. And you're like, well, okay, I'm feeling really anxious. Instead of taking something that's going to chemically change me, let's see if I could chemically change me without something out there. Let's see if I can make my own pharmacy of any depressants. I don't know. Let's see if I can make my own pain relievers.

• 38:39Joe Dispenza?

  Let's see if I can make my own chemicals that cause my immune system to get stronger. I'm just curious. Let's see. Now, now the person is, they're out of the bleachers and they're on the field. So they'll start believing that they can do it, even if they change it a little bit. And if they don't get it the first three days, but they've seen the testimony of someone who has, and you see that person who's totally happy that was abused every day of her life and they don't have the genetic disorder any longer, you're gonna say, wow, that person doesn't look like a movie star, that person doesn't look like, they're vegetarian now, that person doesn't look young and buffed, or whatever it is, they're gonna look like a normal person. And you're gonna say, I identify with her. I identify with, she can do it, I can do it. Now, here's the cool part. Yeah.

• 39:23Joe Dispenza?

  We've seen then, when people do this with the same, stand on the stage and tell the story, that the person in the audience with the same genetic condition does it in a shorter amount of time because the formula's been broken. Yeah, of course. So now evidence becomes the loudest voice. Why? Because it's in testimony, there's, there's truth right in front of you. It's, it's, it's, it's right in front of you. There's, you know, we had a guy in Dubai that had, he was in a wheelchair with this, with this tumor in his spine. And the doctor sent him home to die. He came across my book like a week before. Which book?

• 39:58Joe Dispenza?

  Uh, becoming supernatural. And, and then he read the book and he, he somehow got in there. Someone gave him a spot. He was in a wheelchair, uh, stage four cancer, go home and die, severe paralysis, a limitation, crowding the spinal cord, the whole bit. Um, nothing we can do for you. All these pain meds, excruciating pain.

• 40:21Joe Dispenza?

  One week after the week long, his tumor reduced by 30%. I just saw him in Munich. He's, he can walk. He's walking without his wheelchair.

• 40:30Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 40:30Joe Dispenza?

  I mean, he's, he's in a, he's in a new experience. He, he's believing now in himself. And when you believe in yourself, you believe in possibility. You can't have one without the other.

• 40:40Lewis Howes?

  How do you believe in yourself when you've never believed in yourself and you've got doubt inside of you all day long?

• 40:45Joe Dispenza?

  Knowledge, knowledge, knowledge. Keep learning, keep studying, keep listening to it. Sooner or later, that'll become a louder voice in your head than I can. It's too hard. I'll never change.

• 40:54Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. And you mean knowledge of, knowledge of new philosophies, knowledge of new skills, knowledge of new anything?

• 40:59Joe Dispenza?

  Study, study. If you, if you don't want to read, get on YouTube and watch people talk about how you can change your genes. Just start looking, start looking at the testimonies on websites. I mean, we have over 450 testimonies now. People that have healed themselves. It's not small potatoes.

• 41:15Lewis Howes?

  That's amazing.

• 41:16Joe Dispenza?

  Start looking to see, what did that person do? And when they tell their story and it's worse than yours, you're going to start going, wow, that person really had a tough one. And if they overcame it, well, geez, why, like, well, I could just forgive my father right now. I could forgive my ex right now. I want to let them go and I want to be free. And I don't want, I don't want to give them my attention because I give them my energy. I want to, I'll put my attention in my future. Sooner or later, you're going to come to it the way you do. But if you don't have the knowledge, then you believe in it less. See, see, there's people that we, I saw this just recently.

• 41:49Joe Dispenza?

  And I was looking closely and there are people that do this work, do this transformation work in the meditations that we teach. And they're so impatient and they're so entitled. And they want an instantaneous change from the lack of their feelings, right? That they never overcome themselves in their meditation. They never overcome themselves in the meditation. And when they finish their meditation, they believe in this work less.

• 42:18Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 42:18Joe Dispenza?

  Then there are people who say, "I can tell you the moment I made up my mind to change because I had reached the end and I made a decision. And that decision to change carried an amplitude of energy that was greater than the hardwired programs in my brain and the emotional conditioning in my body. And my body literally responded to my mind in that moment. That the choice that I made became a moment in time I would never forget." And they'll tell you, "And that's the moment I remembered when I was going to change." Now, those people then, when they sit down to do the work, the chemotherapy hasn't worked, the injections didn't work, the radiation didn't work, the surgery didn't work,

• 43:01Joe Dispenza?

  the diet didn't work, the yoga didn't work. This is now their end. They have nothing else to believe in but themselves.

• 43:08Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 43:08Joe Dispenza?

  And they go all in, not 50%, not 60%, they're going all in. They have nothing else to believe in. Now, listen, when they go a little bit outside the known, they went a little further than where they normally would stop. They pushed themselves to that next limit. They started believing in themselves that they could do it a little bit more. They finished the meditation and they get up and believing it's working more than working less. They're the person that's believing in themselves, that's why. Because it's not the work, it's your belief in yourself, right? And then when you believe in yourself, you believe in possibilities. When you believe in possibilities, you've got to believe in yourself. Who was he going to believe in? So, people make these great strides and their own personal growth

• 43:52Joe Dispenza?

  is a testament to the living organism. The living organism, the species of human beings that's starting to believe, "Well, maybe we're not so as limited as we've been programmed to believe. Maybe we are more unlimited." And I'd rather throw in with that. And if you don't think your immune system isn't aware of viruses, that could handle any virus if it got the right signal and if it was in a state of wholeness and... Your thymus was activated and your blood flow to that center was turned on because you decided to turn it on and you decided to release those chemicals that suppress the survival centers in your brain because oxytocin does and you wanted to stay there for a period of time and memorize that feeling. I guarantee you that thymusin would begin to signal those

• 44:38Joe Dispenza?

  T cells and those T cells would activate their T cell receptors and those T cell receptors would be releasing immunoglobulins and antibodies that would block those receptors coming off a virus like you may not pass. I'm sorry.

• 44:54Speaker 00

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• 45:39Speaker 00

  Mary Ann Williamson who said, "You must learn a new way to think before you can master a new way to be." I hope this episode was powerful for you in changing your thoughts so you can change your life. And if no one has told you lately, you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter. I'm so grateful for you. And you know what time it is. It's time to go out there and do something great.