The Fake Invoice Scam That Outsmarted Silicon Valley w/ Kiran Deol

Laci welcomes Emmy-nominated actor and comedian Kiran Deol (Kiran Deol: Joysuck, Advanced Chemistry) to the show! Together, they discuss how a scammer from Lithuania stole over $120 million from tech giants using a taste of their own medicine: phishing emails. Evaldas Rimasauskas created fake invoices that Silicon Valley paid willy-nilly. Plus, in Scammer of the Week, “Loveboat Lolita” scammed $1.5 million out of four elderly women by posing as a man. Stay schemin’! CON-gregation, catch Laci's TV Show Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Did you miss out on a custom-signed Scam Goddess book? Look no more, nab your copy on PODSWAG Keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci kiran Deol: @shitfromkiran Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/phishing-email-scam-stole-100-million-from-facebook-and-google.html https://www.bitdefender.com/en-us/blog/hotforsecurity/the-phishing-swindle-that-conned-100-million-out-of-google-and-facebook https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-39744007 https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/us/security/news/cybercrime-and-digital-threats/google-and-facebook-fraudster-pleads-guilty-to-100-million-scam https://www.cshub.com/attacks/articles/incident-of-the-week-google-facebook-phished-for-millions https://www.npr.org/2019/03/25/706715377/man-pleads-guilty-to-phishing-scheme-that-fleeced-facebook-google-of-100-million https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/ringleader-of-business-email-compromise-scheme-sentenced-012820 https://www.wbur.org/endlessthread/2024/09/27/defraud-big-tech https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/28/how-to-avoid-invoice-theft-scam-that-cost-google-facebook-123m.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/diesel-bankruptcy-jeans-company-denim-chapter-11/ https://www.bbc.com/news/business-37505760 https://ktul.com/news/local/pawnee-woman-faces-charges-for-allegedly-laundering-15m-from-online-romance-scam-victims-oklahoma-tuls-city-okc-christine-joan-echohawk-prison-jail-court-fines-fees-elderly-women-man https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-woman-scammed-15-million-elderly-women-posing-men-fake-romanc-rcna200614

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• 3:23Speaker 06

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Back with a podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. It is a comedy podcast, I shall remind you. Oh my, don't I sound so good, y'all? Y'all, I gotta rest. I got to rest. I got to sleep. It's crazy. I'm a whole brand-new person, okay? They tried to kill your favorite bitch, but she's still kicking. Uh, let's get into it here, y'all. If you are part of the congregation, uh, welcome back. Praise, praise be, praise be, okay? A scam, amen. Uh, you already know that I'm very what? Yes, thrilled, elated, excited. But, uh, today we have a comedian, an actor, a writer, someone I've worked with.

• 4:06Speaker 06

  Uh, we, she is now in charge of Wednesday night prayer meetings. Please do not forget to bring the last four digits of your social to those because she is a repeat. Guest on the show. She was the lead in Mira Minan's film Didn't Die, an official selection of Sundance Film Festival 2025. Prepare, okay? We about to be skiing the slopes, honey. She recently released a one hour comedy special called Joy Suck on comedy dynamics. And look, remember waking up at five years old, excited and joyously ready to start the day? Then we grew up to a pandemic, inflation, and so much more wax stuff. Okay, well, Joy Stuff offers an alternative to find joy despite the suck.

• 4:47Speaker 06

  Don't we love that? Yes, congregation, please welcome the talented, beautiful, wonderful, hilarious queen friend of mine, Kirindell. Back to the show. Thank you. What a beautiful intro and and beautiful voice to go with that intro. I could hear the rested tones. I feel like it's sounding different. I'm hearing it in my own ear. You sound like you're getting eight to 10 hours a night. Oh, wow. Well, not right now, but I'm getting enough. Yeah. I'm getting enough. She was like, it's up from it's up from three to five. No, the scam of burnout is people don't tell you it takes more than like a long weekend or even a week to like get out of burnout. I was in burnout for like a solid, well, technically like probably like four years, but Sure. Yeah, but now we're out.

• 5:32Speaker 06

  I just remember I can remember working with you. I can remember being on a set and you were like, yeah, girl, I just got out of major surgery. And I was like, what are you doing here, babe? Lopez. I said, I said, babe, what are you doing here? You should be at home. And you're like, it's fine. And I was like, doesn't? Is it? Yeah, at that point, I still had like liquid. I was like three days off of this. I just left the hospital and I was like, hey, girl. Yeah. I was like, let me see if I get on my block into where I just sit down the whole thing. Exactly. You were. And then you were essentially like, you're like, I'm just gonna sit down. Please join me. Let's sit down and eat lunch, but I've got to stay sitting because I've just been through major surgery. And I was like, what?

• 6:12Laci Mosley?

  I was like, don't tell nobody no.

• 6:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, that was, and you made it through. Nobody knew, nobody knows.

• 6:17Laci Mosley?

  Not recommended, though. A scam. And speaking of scams, I have to ask you, Karen, it's been a minute since you've been on the show. Well, actually, you were on in San Francisco, so almost a year. That was in January 2024.

• 6:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, probably exactly a year. That was so fun.

• 6:30Laci Mosley?

  So.

• 6:31Speaker 06

  Your congregation in real life. I mean, they are.

• 6:34Laci Mosley?

  Aren't they wonderful?

• 6:35Speaker 06

  They are, they're followers.

• 6:37Laci Mosley?

  I don't, see, we all going together in the same.

• 6:40Speaker 06

  I was gonna say, you're the cult leader I aspire to be.

• 6:42Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my goodness. No, when you say cult leader out loud, then people start leaving the cult.

• 6:46Speaker 06

  Oh, so sorry, so sorry.

• 6:47Laci Mosley?

  This is a community, y'all.

• 6:49Speaker 06

  Oh, this is a community. I'm so sorry. Actually, scratch that, scratch that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:53Laci Mosley?

  Y'all never heard that. Remember it different.

• 6:55Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 6:58Laci Mosley?

  So I have to ask you, Karen, like, what's your relationship with scams now? Like, anything happen to you? It could be what scams and the psychos you, you know, love right now, hate right now. It could literally be anything, but I'm just curious.

• 7:09Speaker 06

  To scams, I said, top down, babe.

• 7:11Laci Mosley?

  You can't beat them?

• 7:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, if you can't beat them, like, take your own little microcosm of a scam and join them. Figure out what that is for you.

• 7:19Laci Mosley?

  And what's that for you?

• 7:21Speaker 06

  For me.

• 7:21Laci Mosley?

  If it doesn't disrupt it.

• 7:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, for me, it was, thank you so much for being mindful. Uh, I was home, uh, helping my mother, a 67-year-old Indian woman, uh, get some of her money back. And so it was a lot of.

• 7:37Laci Mosley?

  Back from whom?

• 7:38Speaker 06

  It was one of the people, like, corporation. Uh, let's say an unnamed corporation.

• 7:43Laci Mosley?

  Yes, an unnamed corporation that we love if they sponsor the show. You know, that's my favorite corporation, that one corporation. You know, when it takes the money, because they give it back.

• 7:51Speaker 06

  Yes, exactly. Unnamed, unnamed, unnamed corporation.

• 7:54Laci Mosley?

  You're gonna tell me after, though.

• 7:55Speaker 06

  I know, are they, I was like, is unnamed corporation a sponsor of this show? It would be great if it was like, un, just all corporations.

• 8:02Laci Mosley?

  We're supposed to buy all, that's what I, that's what we're going towards. That's what we want, is all corporations. So, like, Sam got it sponsored by BlackRock. I'm like, okay, listen.

• 8:11Laci Mosley?

  They had the money, y'all. What I'm supposed to do? What am I supposed to do?

• 8:14Speaker 06

  Every hedge fund.

• 8:14Laci Mosley?

  Did I tell you how much I love the Koch Brothers?

• 8:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 8:18Laci Mosley?

  My favorite guy. Because of the one that.

• 8:20Speaker 06

  What are the ones, the almond farm? Farmers, like the almond farmers who like have the almond empire here in California.

• 8:25Laci Mosley?

  I don't know about the nut empire, but I do know that is one of the imports that France actually does get from the US or some parts of Europe is almonds.

• 8:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 8:32Laci Mosley?

  Apparently we the almond guy.

• 8:34Speaker 06

  There's some, there's, there's a, there's a family of billionaires who controls like the water in like Northern California and has siphoned all the water. Anyway. Different episode, we're gonna do that a different time.

• 8:43Laci Mosley?

  Controlling water is crazy.

• 8:44Speaker 06

  Little brain, little brainstorm, the natural, when you're going after the natural resources, babe, you're like, next level. No, this is very basic stuff. This was, you know, uh, she was owed money and it's hard for her to get it back because she's a sixty.

• 8:56Laci Mosley?

  Work for a non corporation?

• 8:57Speaker 06

  No, this was like she, she had, you know, she had some of those like charges, like she had been charged a bunch of money. And so I was trying to get her a refund on this money. And so the way to do it is you have to pretend to be the person. So I was pretending to be my mother. But we've worked together and you know that if I am acting and I'm doing any role, I take it seriously.

• 9:16Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 9:16Speaker 06

  And so if I am playing a sixty seven year old Indian woman.

• 9:20Laci Mosley?

  Let me hear it.

• 9:20Speaker 06

  Then I'm, then I am a sixty seven year old Indian woman. Do you know what I mean? And it's like, and I make it subtle. I'm still gonna use an iteration of my voice. But I was on the telephone with the corporation.

• 9:31Laci Mosley?

  Hi, this is Suzie at N one Corporation.

• 9:33Speaker 06

  Yeah. And I said, yeah, like I'm having a bit of trouble with my account. Like, and I'm sorry, you want me to follow how many links? I am a sixty seven year old Indian woman. I'm, there's no one here to help me. My mother bursts out laughing. Cause she's listening and it's like, do you know how fucking disruptive it is for the woman that you're playing to be looking at you and laughing and staring at it? It's like, bitch, I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to help you and your character get this money back.

• 9:59Laci Mosley?

  Performance, but you were like, girl, it's not a live studio audience. This ain't Lopez versus Lopez.

• 10:05Speaker 06

  Like, I can't, I'm not like, like if I'm doing the work, I have to believe I'm you. So don't you sit there laughing. Do you know what I mean? Like I believe, and that's, that was the Trumpian element. Like I, I believed my, I was that.

• 10:19Laci Mosley?

  You believe the lies, so then it's not a lie anymore.

• 10:21Speaker 06

  A hundred percent.

• 10:21Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 10:22Speaker 06

  I had to believe that I was that sixty seven year old woman. And then it was like, her laugh broke me out of it. And I was like, this is no good, like you.

• 10:29Laci Mosley?

  Did you reset? You were like.

• 10:30Speaker 06

  I said, I, I looked.

• 10:32Laci Mosley?

  Can I get another take?

• 10:32Speaker 06

  I said, I said, get out, you gotta leave. I, I like, I thumbed her out like she was a hitchhiker.

• 10:37Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 10:37Speaker 06

  You know.

• 10:37Laci Mosley?

  So what, what, I'm still trying to figure out, I know we can't say the corporation, but what were you trying to get money back for? So they were just doing charges to her account, like a recurring charge?

• 10:45Speaker 06

  It was like a, exactly.

• 10:46Laci Mosley?

  Can you tell me what field Unlearn Corporation is in, so I can get a, what do they sell?

• 10:49Speaker 06

  This was, this was, uh, this was, this was phones.

• 10:53Laci Mosley?

  So they're selling phones?

• 10:54Speaker 06

  It was, this was, this was a phone, this was a phone provider carrier company.

• 10:58Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 10:59Speaker 06

  So.

• 10:59Laci Mosley?

  Well, one thing I can tell you is that this is not Mint, because they have great customer service. And Mint does sponsor the show, okay? Okay, so it's not Mint. We're gonna say that right now. See, get with Mint, fifteen dollars a month. Anyway, so, I'm so serious.

• 11:13Speaker 06

  It was not Mint. It was not Mint.

• 11:15Laci Mosley?

  But, yeah, I know it's not Mint. But, um, so, okay, so this is a phone service and they are overcharging your mom a reoccurring charge for a, a wifi, an extra text, uh?

• 11:25Speaker 06

  All of this, yeah. Think about, like, think about that from that.

• 11:28Laci Mosley?

  So was she trying to leave that company, or was she trying to, like?

• 11:31Speaker 06

  She was trying to get the charge off, and she was trying to get it so that that wasn't happening. That's, so sometimes, like, when you leave the country, for instance, you get charged, like, a fee for, like, international, or whatever, so that you can travel, and then you're getting charged a fee. But she was getting charged this fee, even though she was back. And she wasn't traveling, and she had tried to cancel it, and then they were like, hey, like, follow this series of links, and then we'll be able to help you. And then I said.

• 11:56Laci Mosley?

  That's a good scam right there. Next time somebody tried to break up with me, and I don't want to leave them, I'd be like, okay, follow this series of links to, uh, do a conscious uncoupling.

• 12:03Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 12:03Laci Mosley?

  It is twelve links, okay?

• 12:05Speaker 06

  It's twelve links, and, and that's when I said, I am a sixty-seven-year-old Indian woman. Uh, I grew up without a bathroom in India. How do you expect me to follow a series?

• 12:15Laci Mosley?

  Unnamed Corporation.

• 12:16Speaker 06

  I will go there. And I said.

• 12:17Laci Mosley?

  They were like, we need you to click this link. You were like, I don't have a bathroom.

• 12:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly. I said, and then, and then, and then I could tell he was like, he was like, the man was so upset. He goes, you need to get someone to help you. And then he was like, don't worry, I will help you. I will take the time to help you.

• 12:34Laci Mosley?

  That's beautiful. I would've just started talking about the whole plot of Slumdog Millionaire. At some point, they probably would've realized I was lying. I was like, and then that's when I discovered. But dance.

• 12:44Speaker 06

  Exactly, exactly. So we, but it was a success and we got it back. And I mean, listen, I think that, you know, I'm not a, I don't like where the country is personally at this particular moment.

• 12:55Laci Mosley?

  I don't think anyone's really loving it.

• 12:56Speaker 06

  You know, it's not, it's not, it's not my vibe.

• 12:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 12:58Speaker 06

  But if there's something that you can take in your tiny battle towards the David versus Goliath of whatever, you know, the corporation is, it's that when you embody a character, believe yourself. And that's something that I think that our president does very well. I think whenever he's talking, I think he believes himself.

• 13:15Laci Mosley?

  And he'd just be saying anything. It's wild to me how we just have people just saying anything now. Like, I think that all politicians lie.

• 13:21Speaker 06

  Of course.

• 13:21Laci Mosley?

  But it used to be like an efficient amount of lies, like not too much where you got caught. Now he just, he just be saying stuff. Like he literally just be saying stuff. And I think that is so fascinating that his cult followers are in such a deep cult that like, anything that he says, even if it's a contradiction of the thing he said five minutes ago, it does not matter. They will figure out a way to like, they're like, he's trolling you. I was like, in what world do you want the president of the United States to be trolling you? We've never had a president troll us before. It's not something we've ever wanted out of our presidents. I wasn't like, I don't want my president talking about some LOL. I don't want our president on, on whatever Twitter, race, racist social that they are, you know, sitting up, be cool, be cool. The president literally tell us, be cool. Hey, I've never had president in my lifetime been like, hey, y'all chill out, chill, like be cool. I got this. Yeah. Y'all gonna get your 401K bag.

• 14:04Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:05Laci Mosley?

  Y'all tripping. Stop being panic in.

• 14:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 14:09Laci Mosley?

  They're making up words.

• 14:10Speaker 06

  He's like, the other, I mean, but it's so perfect for your, your pod because it's like, at the end of the day with, you know, with this, with this figure, it's, it's belief. People believe him. People believe in him or they, it's like you might not even.

• 14:24Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I think we all kind of know like what, that it's kind of an untouchable sycophant group, but I just, sometimes I like to read stuff that he says in like Obama's voice. Cause he thinks that Obama's black ass could have never gotten away with and just like, all right, everybody be cool. Get out there and be cool. Stop tripping. Okay. I've got this.

• 14:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 14:42Laci Mosley?

  I'm telling you, these countries, 75 countries are kissing my ass.

• 14:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 14:47Laci Mosley?

  Like even the things that he actually said, he was like, they're kissing my ass. Look, I'm trying to deport as many people as we can. Uh, hopefully, uh, you go El Salvador, hopefully open up some more prisons. Cause uh, you know, we, we're gonna start with homegrown snacks.

• 14:59Speaker 06

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 15:00Laci Mosley?

  I was like, I cannot imagine anybody else saying this stuff. And it is wild to me.

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• 16:31Laci Mosley?

  My name is Jessa. One of the things I love the most about working for United Healthcare is that everybody matters. Every moment matters. There's a person behind every problem. I care because it's what I was put on this earth to do.

• 16:47Speaker 04

  I'm Ben, and I work at United Healthcare. I am just one piece of a larger puzzle, but every piece matters. It's more than just work. We want to make the healthcare system better for everyone. I care because I want to make a difference. That's what committed to care means to me.

• 17:04Laci Mosley?

  So Kieran, we're gonna move into our next segment here, which is historic hoodwinkings. We switched it up a little bit.

• 17:11Speaker 06

  Okay, I love that.

• 17:12Laci Mosley?

  Cause like the girls were like, "Get to it." And I'm like, "Okay, I don't..." First of all, I'm gonna stop listening to y'all because that is not your... That's not what we do here, okay?

• 17:20Speaker 06

  You know, but because...

• 17:21Laci Mosley?

  I need to get more Megan Thee Stallion.

• 17:22Speaker 06

  I will say, because you're a community, this is a community.

• 17:25Laci Mosley?

  It is a community.

• 17:26Speaker 06

  This is the gardening part of the... This is the gardening part of the congregation.

• 17:30Laci Mosley?

  No, but I have to say I'm gonna stop listening because they know I'm lying. And then they're gonna keep with their suggestions and their demands because that's what they do.

• 17:37Speaker 06

  Oh, got it.

• 17:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but I feel like if I say this, maybe some people will be like...

• 17:41Speaker 06

  Like they're gonna stop?

• 17:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 17:43Speaker 06

  I couldn't believe how many, on the last one I did, how many comments there were about your voice. So many comments on your actual, literal voice.

• 17:49Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, no, you know, this is what it's about.

• 17:51Speaker 06

  People are very invested in how you talk and, you know, what you do, and I said...

• 17:54Laci Mosley?

  And they have thoughts.

• 17:55Speaker 06

  They have a lot of thoughts.

• 17:56Laci Mosley?

  That's the scam that I'm in, is like, once you open yourself up to the... to public, then they have thoughts. I get emails now that are just critiques. As always, y'all, email the podcast if you want to send it to your friends, family, and your enemies at [email protected]. But please stop sending me emails about how I pronounce things. What am I supposed to do? It's done. The episode is out. And they'll be like, "This..." Okay, now, I do say Occam's razor. Now, you know what? Sometimes it's nice.

• 18:18Speaker 06

  What is that?

• 18:19Laci Mosley?

  Um, Occam's razor just means that the simplest, um, solution is oftentimes the correct one, or like the simplest conclusion. Um, I know what it means, but I was saying, I think I was saying like, "O-C-A-M-S razor." And they were like, "That's not how you say it."

• 18:29Speaker 06

  I'm not familiar with either of those phrases.

• 18:31Laci Mosley?

  That just means I read, y'all. That means I read it somewhere, okay? I didn't just hear it and regurgitate. Anyway, this is all personal grievances, and we're gonna get into historic hoodwinkings here. Um, let's get it poppin' off. So, Kieran, um, we're gonna stay in the financial area today for scams. I'm glad that you were able to have a David and Goliath situation where you threw like a pebble at the ro... the lion, and the lion was like, "Ow, here go your money back." Like...

• 18:51Speaker 06

  Yes, that's exactly what happened.

• 18:52Laci Mosley?

  Lion's still here. Lion's still very much going.

• 18:54Speaker 06

  Lion's still there. Lion's like, "Wow, queen."

• 18:56Laci Mosley?

  Right, like, "Ooh, ow."

• 18:57Speaker 06

  She was acting for a good 47 minutes.

• 19:00Laci Mosley?

  Here go your little money. Go get two eggs. So, let's get into historic hoodwinkings here. Uh, today, we are going to Lithuania.

• 19:10Speaker 06

  I love, I love, I love mid Europe.

• 19:13Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and this is 2013, so we're taking it back, y'all. That was 12 years ago. Can you believe 2013 was 12 years ago?

• 19:19Speaker 06

  I disagree.

• 19:20Laci Mosley?

  I do too. I feel like we need to subtract four years, uh, from COVID, so this is eight years ago. Mentally, it's gonna feel like eight years ago, but if we do look at a calendar, technically, I guess somewhere, somebody said it's been 12 years.

• 19:33Speaker 06

  Sure, but what are facts?

• 19:34Laci Mosley?

  What are they? When you live in America. That's whatever you want them to be, baby.

• 19:39Speaker 06

  When you live in a crumbling empire, okay?

• 19:43Laci Mosley?

  So, in 2013, a scammer from Lithuania stole over 120 million from tech giants using a taste of their own medicine. Phishing emails.

• 19:54Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 19:55Laci Mosley?

  We love a phishing email. Uh, we hate them, but we love to read about them, so hopefully we don't fall prey to them. Um, I feel like we all get them now. I have blocked so many phone numbers. I get phone calls every single day from, "Do you wanna solidit-" I can't even say it. I was gonna say solidate. "Solidify your student loans." I'm like, "Bro, I don't have loans that look like this. I don't, I don't owe anywhere near any type of money y'all talking about." It's like $84,000. I'm like, "Bro, I have one loan and there's like, nothing left." And I'm like, "Why am I getting these?" And every single day, I'll block a number, it's a new number, it's a new number. So they're phishing that way, then they leave you a voicemail, then they send you a text message. Uh, so I don't know what company has given away all of my information, but there it is. Also, the phishing emails, you know, I always say, what do I say, y'all?

• 20:39Laci Mosley?

  Check. Where are the emails coming from? If it's amazon.com, and the O is a zero, that is a phishing email.

• 20:45Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 20:46Laci Mosley?

  If anybody's reaching out from PayPal at Hotmail, that's not really PayPal, and you did not spend $476 at Apple, and don't click that link to try to dispute the charge, because they're gonna ask you to put your card information in to reimburse you, and then they're gonna take money off of your card, because you never actually spent the money they were talking about.

• 21:05Speaker 06

  And they never do that. They never do that. The big corporations don't ever do that. They don't ever ask, they don't ever send you a link to do that. They never send you a link.

• 21:13Laci Mosley?

  And if you didn't learn anything from Karen's mama's story, where the, the company, the phone unnamed company was still charging her for international Even though she was in the States, why would a company call you to tell you they taking your money?

• 21:25Speaker 06

  Never, never.

• 21:26Laci Mosley?

  Okay, Kira had to put on a whole character. She had to go to Calcutta, really sink herself into the culture.

• 21:32Speaker 06

  Thank you so much. It was Ben job.

• 21:35Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and it was. And then she came and got on the phone and put on a whole performance, okay? Took on her mother's essence.

• 21:41Speaker 06

  I don't really feel like I did it justice here. I just want that the casting directors and the audience to know that I'm capable of more.

• 21:46Laci Mosley?

  You got an award. The reward was getting your own money back.

• 21:48Speaker 06

  Thank you so much.

• 21:49Laci Mosley?

  So, that's what I'm saying. Like, that's the kind of hoops you have to go through to get money back. So if a company is reaching out, be like, oops, girl, like, click this link because we got to give you some cash. This is never that serious. And they try to alarm you with the amount of money. And one of our producers here at Sirius, Cody, was telling me that she got an email that was talking about a computer purchase, you know, from a tech company, but it was saying that she bought a MacBook Pro, but for like $800. You can't get that computer for $800.

• 22:15Speaker 06

  No, you cannot.

• 22:15Laci Mosley?

  So the funny thing is, is that if you don't know what that computer costs, and that, and let's say you're in a more dire financial strength situation, or even just most of Americans where, you know, everything's going up, but the wage is not. Like, $800 can fuck up a whole month. It can fuck up a year, depending on, like, most people are one paycheck away from being in an extreme financial situation in this country. So if you see an amount like that, it may alarm you, and that's what they want, so that you'll click the link, and then you'll, but don't do any of that. Go check your bank statements if you're really concerned.

• 22:47Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 22:47Laci Mosley?

  But I promise you, no one is ever reaching out to you from a major corporation trying to give you your money back. And they're not going to do it via email or via text. If they owe you the money, they could just put the money back because they got it from you. They have your card.

• 22:57Speaker 06

  And they'll send you a letter or whatever. The other big thing you can do is like, if somebody calls you or whatever, and they tell you, you got to do this right now, you'll say, hang up, and you can always call Apple. You can always call Amazon. You can always call your bank. And call a number that is an official number. Be like, hey, I just got this call. Was this you guys?

• 23:13Laci Mosley?

  Even if the number's from an official number, hang up and call back yourself, because you can clone the phone number that shows up on your phone.

• 23:18Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 23:19Laci Mosley?

  But if you're a long time listener, you know all of these things. If you're new, welcome to hell. So, phishing emails is what we're talking about today. It is church.

• 23:29Speaker 06

  She said church.

• 23:29Laci Mosley?

  I said church. Remember that different. All right, we're all on one accord now. We all remembered it, how it was said. So, so, um, we're talking about the contrapreneur here, okay? So, we know it's a scammer from Lithuania. Let's learn a little bit more about this contrapreneur. El Valdez Remasoscas.

• 23:49Laci Mosley?

  That's how you say it.

• 23:50Speaker 06

  That's a, that's a name of a person?

• 23:52Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 23:52Speaker 06

  I love that.

• 23:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so, uh, El Valdis Remasasakas is an internet famous scammer entrepreneur from a small Baltic nation, uh, sorry, a small Baltic nation in northern Europe. So I don't know why you would want to be an internet famous scammer. All of those words don't belong together. You can be a scammer entrepreneur, but internet famous, we don't, we don't need that.

• 24:13Speaker 06

  No.

• 24:13Laci Mosley?

  And we're looking at my guy here, um, Mr. Remasasakas. And I will be calling him Remasasakas for the rest of the episode.

• 24:21Speaker 06

  Remasasakas is like, uh, I mean, if you're gonna be a scammer.

• 24:24Laci Mosley?

  That sounds like something freaky that they doing on some, in some kind of key party. But Remasasakas, um, this is him. Yes, and he looks like, um.

• 24:33Speaker 06

  He doesn't look like a Remasasakas.

• 24:34Laci Mosley?

  He's contemplating, yeah, he looks like a El Valdis. We gonna call him El Valdis. So El Valdis looks like he's really contemplating his life choices. Or like, he looks like, I don't know, like maybe he farted and a little poop came out and he's like trying to figure out how he's gonna get to the bathroom.

• 24:49Speaker 06

  He looks like, how am I gonna pay for med spa clinic? Because I haven't had, you know, the Juvederm that I was looking for.

• 24:57Laci Mosley?

  It's just like something very shameful about his whole appearance right here. Like, I wouldn't trust him with anything, cuz he just looks like he just constantly makes decisions he regrets.

• 25:07Speaker 06

  It's the before picture, you know, I, I'm currently getting on Instagram. I'm getting a lot of, I, I don't know if anyone else's, uh, Instagram accounts are this targeted, but this feels hurtful. I'm getting a lot of, uh, Indian women who are in a sports bra, looking kind, like, pretty, in pretty good shape, but a little bit pudgy. And then their stomachs are kind of handing it, hanging out, and then they look like, wah, they look kind of sad. And then it's like you click, and then it's like ripped brown Jillian Michaels. That's possible in thirty days. And this man looks like he belongs with those sad Indian women at the front. You know what I mean? He's just, he's got that, like, he's got the despair. He's got the despair in his eyes.

• 25:45Laci Mosley?

  He at a funeral and he know that he killed them. Yeah, like, you know what I mean? Like, it's just, it's a very untrustworthy vision that I'm getting here. So, he's probably the second most famous Lithuanian after Anthony Kiedis of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, who's also from Lithuania. I did not know that. I love Anthony Kiedis. So, in, you know, under the bridge downtown. That's where I stole some stuff. Under the bridge downtown. I cannot scam me noth- But so he's the second most famous after him. So Anthony, I think you're safe in that spot from Lithuania. Because I didn't know about El Valdis. But we all will know about him now, right? So we're making him more famous, I guess.

• 26:25Laci Mosley?

  And in 2013, El Valdis would have said that he can't stop stealing money from big tech giants. So in 2013, he was like, I can't stop, won't stop, like, stealing money from tech giants. So far, I'm on El Valdis's side because tech giants are really out here ruining everything.

• 26:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, I don't, it's hard to, it's hard to.

• 26:44Laci Mosley?

  It's hard to empathize with big tech. Oh, but everyone, hold your black turtleneck real tight tonight. One for big tech, okay? Say a prayer, light a candle for big tech. Simply put, El Valdis was a businessman. He started a company, but it was a fake company. Pretended to be a real company that did real business with Facebook and Google and got their real invoices rerouted to his scammer bank accounts. So he had a fake tech company. He said that he was doing business with the Googles and the face in the book. And he was rerouting payments that are actually supposed to go to those companies to his own personal accounts. Okay, but both those companies have enough money and have done enough to us. So baiting the fish, this is how he did it.

• 27:28Laci Mosley?

  He recruited a team of unidentified co-conspirators slash employees at this startup who helped pull off the fraud, but they were never named or charged. So El Valdis, I'm even more on your side because he said, I'm not going to snitch on my employees.

• 27:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, he said, you take care of your people.

• 27:43Laci Mosley?

  That's good scam benefits right there. He said, our HR policy is that we don't, we don't snitch.

• 27:49Speaker 06

  He said, no snitching. And he said, one, he said, he says, five for me, one for you.

• 27:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 27:54Speaker 06

  You know?

• 27:54Laci Mosley?

  I mean, listen, but for your safety, I'll take it. So beginning in 2013.

• 27:58Speaker 06

  I'm liking him more even from his face, you know?

• 28:00Laci Mosley?

  Now I like his face again.

• 28:02Speaker 06

  Now he's determined. Now what I see in his beady little eyes is determination. What I see is you will not break me.

• 28:07Laci Mosley?

  And this is what we always saw, remember it different. I might, I might call this episode, remember it different or gaslighting. But this is, remember, this is what I said earlier in the episode, that his eyes were steely with determination. That it was giving like Keanu Reeves, somebody just shot his dog and he about to go full John Wick on all of it. Big tech.

• 28:24Speaker 06

  This is giving Nicolas Cage, I want my pig, give me back my pig.

• 28:27Laci Mosley?

  Yes, okay, we're on your side, like we always were about this.

• 28:31Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 28:31Laci Mosley?

  So, beginning in 2013, right, his employees start calling the customer service lines of Facebook and Google to get as much information as they could about the companies, basically casing the joint via phone. Love that, love calling the company, like, hey, yeah, hey, Google, what's going on? Hey, I'm doing over there, how are the snacks? Good, good.

• 28:49Speaker 06

  The snacks are actually excellent at Google.

• 28:51Laci Mosley?

  Wonderful, you know, I've always had a passion for key codes. What's your favorite key code number?

• 28:58Laci Mosley?

  What's your favorite pin, boo? Like, I wonder how they were getting this information. They would ask for details like names of key employees and their contact information, building up a dossier of data. So, the fact that they could do this is probably, uh, Google, y'all not paying whoever pick up the phones enough money because they weren't suspicious at all, they're just like, oh, who, oh, Mr. Google? Yeah, that's Tom Google, T O M, yeah, there's no H in it, Tomas? Mm-hmm, yeah, oh, his phone number, hold on one second, let me pull it up. Like, why would you be giving out this information to just cold callers?

• 29:30Speaker 06

  I love the idea that it's called the dossier of information. And I was like, meanwhile, it's just a guy in Lithuania sitting with a legal notepad making a list.

• 29:39Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:39Speaker 06

  You know, but anything can be a dossier if you believe.

• 29:43Laci Mosley?

  I like calling it dossier, it's more official, I'm gonna start calling more things dossiers in my life.

• 29:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, I, or my friend says, you know, I'm gonna have to add that to the file. And I go, what is this file? Where is the file? She's like, we're adding, I'm gonna have to add it to my notes. I'm gonna have to add it, what?

• 29:57Laci Mosley?

  The file's a notes app, the file's a screenshot.

• 29:59Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 30:00Laci Mosley?

  But now I'm gonna say dossier, because that sounds more official. So, using these exploratory calls, the foster team learned about Taiwan-based Qanta computer. Unlike the Australian and airline Qantas, which is an airline, Qanta, they said, take that ass off, we a whole different companies, stamp it, look up there, that's Qanta, this is their logo. Um, their logo also kinda looks like the Obama, like, Hope O.

• 30:23Speaker 06

  It does.

• 30:24Laci Mosley?

  I feel like, I feel like it was the Hope O, and then it was probably called Qantas Computer with the Hope O, and they were like, oh, actually Obama got that O, they said, okay, move the little bit of the Hope over to the corner, and then...

• 30:36Speaker 06

  Oh, I like that.

• 30:37Laci Mosley?

  Look at how the, it looks like that, but they took it apart in clip art. It looks like they took that from the Obama thing, the guess we can, and they were like, okay, just separate the clip art, because look how that, the, the red lines right there have a white box around them. They made this in Word.

• 30:53Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, this is not a, this is.

• 30:55Laci Mosley?

  I know when the little computer clip made something, and this was a paperclip who was like, you need a fake logo, we got you here at Word. So, they have this fake logo, and then they were also like, oh, we can't call it Qantas, because there's already is somebody with the S, so we'll do Quanta.

• 31:08Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 31:08Laci Mosley?

  So, Quanta is a, they make notebook computers, GPS systems, and other electronic hardware for big tech companies like Apple, Amazon, Sony, and Dell. Quanta makes Apple Watches, MacBook Airs, and Steam Decks, among other things. So, Evita set up a company also called Quanta Computer in Latvia, another Baltic nation, impersonating the real hardware company. So, remember, you have Qantas, and they are Quanta. What did I tell you about spelling? Scamming and spelling, you really have to have that hand in hand. That's why y'all need to stop being so reliant on AI and shit, okay? Write things down, know how to spell necessary without getting corrected, okay?

• 31:49Speaker 06

  So, is this the, this is a, this one's the real company?

• 31:52Laci Mosley?

  This is the, this is the real scam company.

• 31:54Speaker 06

  This is the real scam company, this isn't the fake.

• 31:56Laci Mosley?

  See, you already getting confused.

• 31:57Speaker 06

  I am getting confused.

• 31:59Laci Mosley?

  See how it says Quanta and not Qantas?

• 32:01Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 32:02Laci Mosley?

  It's supposed to be multiple Qantas.

• 32:03Speaker 06

  Wait, so question, the Qantas, what is the logo for Qantas? Is, is the logo for Qantas also something as a paperclip generated?

• 32:13Laci Mosley?

  We're gonna look at the real Qantas logo in one second here. But yeah, so they're doing a bootleg thing, like I said, with the Amazon where it's the zero and the O, you know, switched out, or if you get Amazons.com, ain't no extra S's in Amazon. See, so this is the real Qantas. So, the logo, the physical photo logo doesn't look the same, but I wouldn't have known the Qantas logo, and I bet you the people who are working with them at Google aren't like, looking at their branding that heavily.

• 32:37Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 32:38Laci Mosley?

  Like, why would you?

• 32:39Speaker 06

  Why would you?

• 32:41Laci Mosley?

  Especially if they work with so many different companies and not looking at their logos.

• 32:44Speaker 06

  No, they're not. No, they're not. It looks suspect. It looks sus on the one that you've picked up.

• 32:49Laci Mosley?

  But see, at least the Qantas logo here, like you don't see like a clip art box around it. It's a real logo. This is definitely made on word.

• 32:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, that honestly, Qantas looks quite chic.

• 33:00Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna give our boy, um, Avaldas a pass here because we didn't have Canva back then, where you could really get you an official looking logo. We didn't have all that. We didn't have all that.

• 33:11Speaker 06

  That's true. That's true.

• 33:12Laci Mosley?

  So, you know, he was doing the best he had, he could with what he got. So, Avaldas set up this company, right? And he's got it in Latvia, and he's also now got his dossier of information from these other like real tech companies in America like Apple, Amazon, Sony and Dell. So, he was the sole member of the Board of Directors of the fake company and opened and maintained and controlled various accounts at banks in Latvia and Cyprus in the name of the fake company.

• 33:37Speaker 06

  He's inspiring me. He's inspiring me. And I, I, I, this, this, this episode might be the pivot for me from comedy to scamming, uh, which...

• 33:50Laci Mosley?

  No, you know, you can't hang up the microphone, Carrie. You're so funny.

• 33:53Speaker 06

  I said, I said...

• 33:54Laci Mosley?

  Why not do both?

• 33:55Speaker 06

  That's actually, yeah, like that MIA drummer, like the one who's, she's like a drummer, but then she also went to Harvard Business School. That would be me. I'd be like a comedian but also a scammer. I'd be like the worst version of that drummer.

• 34:06Laci Mosley?

  Didn't Nelly Furtado go back to school?

• 34:08Speaker 06

  It's difficult to say.

• 34:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I think she did.

• 34:11Speaker 06

  She said it's difficult to say. You're like, it's actually a quick Google away.

• 34:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no, it's difficult to say. Yeah.

• 34:16Speaker 06

  It's hard to know.

• 34:17Laci Mosley?

  I think she, she turned off the lights and went back to school. Yeah.

• 34:20Speaker 06

  She said, she said, "I do not like this inconsistent income, babe."

• 34:24Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So, to pull the trigger on the scam, Avaldas and his co-conspirators called Facebook and Google pretending to be Quanta employees, requesting that they update their banking information for payments to the company. So, they called Google and said, "Hey, y'all, uh, the Google bank that, information that y'all got right now, um, for us, like, we need to update that."

• 34:43Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:44Laci Mosley?

  So, they updated it, obviously, to their... Bank accounts in Latvia and Cyprus that are named after this company.

• 34:52Speaker 06

  This is the linchpin moment, getting this information.

• 34:56Laci Mosley?

  So they created a fairly convincing forgery email and they would make several of these. And they would use these emails with fake accounts, right? And they would look like they were sent by employees of the actual Quanta in Taiwan. They were good enough to fool Google, one of the biggest email account providers in the world. So the scammers sent phishing emails with fake invoices to employees at Facebook and Google, who regularly conducted multimillion dollar transactions with Quanta. So of all those forged invoices, contracts, letters that falsely appeared to have been executed and signed by executives and agents of the company he was impersonating. And he created false supporting documents for transactions, which even had fake corporate seals embossed with the names of the companies.

• 35:42Laci Mosley?

  Because remember, he got all the company info for the companies pretending to be, and Google and Facebook in the dossier.

• 35:49Speaker 06

  This is elegant. I mean, I'm looking at it on Google right now.

• 35:52Laci Mosley?

  It's very classy.

• 35:53Speaker 06

  And the quant, the spelling thing, I mean, revelatory.

• 35:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 35:57Speaker 06

  You know, I think of myself as a scam literate. And every time I come here, I learn something. So thank you.

• 36:04Laci Mosley?

  This is our reading rainbow.

• 36:05Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 36:05Laci Mosley?

  You learn how to read, you know, running, flying high. Scams are all in the sky.

• 36:10Speaker 06

  You are my Mr. Burton. But better, but better in so many ways.

• 36:14Laci Mosley?

  We read our book, we catch our crook. Scamming rainbow. Robbery.

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• 37:23Laci Mosley?

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

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• 38:20Laci Mosley?

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• 39:04Laci Mosley?

  get tickled to death.

• 39:08Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so Facebook and Google employees responded by wiring more than 120 million to the fake company's bank accounts between 2013 and 2015, which avowed to immediately transferred through banks in Latvia, Cyprus, Slovakia, Lithuania, Hungary, and Hong Kong.

• 39:26Speaker 06

  Multiple links.

• 39:28Laci Mosley?

  Multiple links. That's how they tried to get your mama. That's how they tried to get your mama.

• 39:31Speaker 06

  Multiple links.

• 39:33Laci Mosley?

  Yep, they say you're not gonna catch us. We spreading this money out. Because you can't put 120 in one thing and get it all. It's just not gonna happen. No, no, no, no, no.

• 39:43Speaker 06

  You say 5555555311.

• 39:47Laci Mosley?

  Exactly, exactly. And I wonder if he was going to all these places. I just want to imagine him like on a magic scam bus, just going from country to country, you know?

• 39:56Speaker 06

  With the frizzle?

• 39:56Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 39:57Speaker 06

  With the hair?

• 39:57Laci Mosley?

  Yes. A name like, what was his last name again? Um, Rema Kasaskis? Yeah, Rema Kasaskis, that sound like Miss Frizzle.

• 40:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, with a look of determination. That's why his, that's why his eyes were so beady in that picture. He was driving the bus.

• 40:12Laci Mosley?

  We said that already in the very beginning of the episode.

• 40:13Speaker 06

  Yes, that's true.

• 40:14Laci Mosley?

  Remember? So experts call this approach the business email compromise, or invoice fraud. So you just send a bunch of invoices. And, and low key, when you're getting those emails and those phishing emails day to day, for those of you listening in the congregation, those are a smaller version of these invoice emails. They're sending you the emails saying that you paid this. You click a link, now you're putting in information and then they're charging your card. So the F to be in the I step in after, because I'm sure the real Qantas called and was like, hey, uh, we know you bitches ain't broke over there at Google and Facebook, we all gonna pay these bills. And they were like, we paid them. And they were like, mm, no you didn't.

• 40:52Speaker 06

  Wow, I love this.

• 40:55Laci Mosley?

  Because eventually, like I said, the companies notified the F to be in the I, that they were getting some fishy emails. So Google and Facebook were like, hey, these emails are, there's some typos in here. They keep saying like, be cool at the end of them. And we don't know why. So investigators froze some of the funds before About Us and Associates could move the money. So scammers had already gotten about 23 million from Google and about 100 million from Facebook when someone said pump the brakes. That's how you know they have too much money. Like, why can you, why are you not recognizing that 120 million went to the wrong place immediately?

• 41:37Speaker 06

  If $3.77 gets skimmed off of a tip in my, by, by, you know, by a, my favorite bar in Los Angeles that I will be frequenting where the security guard at the front tells me that my, and I quote, nose is cute, which I don't know why you're saying that to me. That's none of your business. Uh, but you know, I, I will notify, I will know immediately. I will know immediately.

• 42:02Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I wouldn't know about 377, but I do try to check and like also I check if I'm like, where did this turn? I've never seen this company before. Like, you know, like go through, yeah, you have to.

• 42:11Speaker 06

  But 120 million. So what do you, what's the number? What do you notice? Do you notice $10, 100? What is your 120 million?

• 42:17Laci Mosley?

  I'm not gonna tell you what my number is. I'm not gonna open myself up to any type of scrutiny.

• 42:23Speaker 06

  I am here.

• 42:23Laci Mosley?

  It's a penny. It's a penny.

• 42:25Speaker 06

  You will notice. You will notice. She's like, I won't notice that 377.

• 42:29Laci Mosley?

  A single, a single rare cent. No, remember, no, earlier I didn't say that. I said I would notice a penny.

• 42:33Speaker 06

  You would notice a penny. Oh, I did. Sorry, sorry. But it's only my right ear works.

• 42:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, okay, we gotta get that fixed in the microphone for sure. Y'all are just y'all settings at home too. So y'all heard it. Both companies said they recouped all or most of the money, but declined to comment on the exact sum. That's when you know they did not get it all back because large corporations hate to admit that they got scammed by a single individual because it's embarrassing to them. That also goes the same for rich people. I mean, I think that there's a level of shame that we talk about on this show when it comes to anybody getting scammed and that's why they don't share information and that's why the scam continues. However, when you're dealing with a large corporation like this, they don't want to admit that one random guy in Lithuania got them for, you know, 120 million dollars.

• 43:16Speaker 06

  Cause that's a lot of money and you're right. For you to not notice.

• 43:19Laci Mosley?

  And then we're looking at you like, what are you doing with the money that you didn't notice 120 million dollars?

• 43:23Speaker 06

  Yes, exactly. And how much money do you have in the account that you don't notice that? And why are you paying taxes?

• 43:29Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. You got 120 million to lose.

• 43:31Speaker 06

  You're using the roads.

• 43:33Laci Mosley?

  Right. And y'all always getting a tax break from the government. Clearly you don't need it.

• 43:37Speaker 06

  No, no, you don't.

• 43:38Laci Mosley?

  So Lithuanian authorities arrested Avaldi in March 2017. He started this in 2013, so he got away with it for four years.

• 43:45Speaker 06

  Psychologist, that's an undergraduate degree in scamming.

• 43:47Laci Mosley?

  And fraud. And he was extradited to the US a month later. Not the US said, "Bring that ass over here." Uh-uh. I wouldn't, I'm not gonna-

• 43:55Speaker 06

  Free trip, I'm hearing free trip.

• 43:57Laci Mosley?

  There he is with the Lithuanians as they're taking- Okay, I love this hat all the way to the side. Um, he's really giving fashion. He kinda ate him up in this photo. Like, I'm not looking at Avaldi. I wanna know who this king is with his, like, hat.

• 44:09Speaker 06

  And I, I literally, he was like-

• 44:10Laci Mosley?

  His military garb.

• 44:11Speaker 06

  He does also have a vibe of, huh, man, I'm sorry this guy got caught. He's a friend.

• 44:15Laci Mosley?

  Right. He, he might be the homie. Or maybe he was trying to get face for the photo, but whatever it is. Face card kinda like, he's not, he, I'm not saying that in a cute way, but he's just, he, I don't know. He's just, I will, I'm looking at him.

• 44:26Speaker 06

  He's compelling, he's compelling. He's compelling. And it's also, it's also, what if he was one of the employees?

• 44:32Laci Mosley?

  He's like, "I hate to do this to you, bro. You know, I can't lose my job."

• 44:35Speaker 06

  That's what I see. He's like, "Listen, I've always been on your side, and thank you."

• 44:37Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna put the cuffs on, "Lose my guy."

• 44:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:42Laci Mosley?

  Don't make too much eye contact. Don't look, don't look. They was probably talking right before this photo was taken. He's like, "Look over there, look over there, okay."

• 44:47Speaker 06

  We're not friends in this one.

• 44:49Laci Mosley?

  So in 2019, he pled guilty to one count of wire fraud. As part of his guilty plea, he agreed to give up roughly 49.7 million that he had obtained from the scheme. And he was sentenced to five years in jail. Now, between Google and Facebook not telling us the sum that they lost, and him giving up 4.97 million when we know that 23 million plus 100 million was gone, right? So we're looking at 123 million dollars that was taken from these two companies. He's giving up 49.7. The company said they got most of their money back, but they're not gonna tell us how much. I think it's some millions out here hanging around.

• 45:21Speaker 06

  And honestly, that's a great deal. I, it's still, it's still great. The math on, the math on that, the math on that is mathing. Five years in prison, 120 minus 50? That's 70 million? That's approximately 70 million that's unaccounted for?

• 45:36Laci Mosley?

  Now, remember, the company said that they got most of their money back.

• 45:39Speaker 06

  Let's say they got 40, let's say they got half of it back. So they got 35 back. That's still 35 million for five years in prison. Now, 35 million for five years in- Prison, you do the math on that. What are we talking about?

• 45:50Laci Mosley?

  Seven million a year.

• 45:52Speaker 06

  To be in prison?

• 45:53Laci Mosley?

  To do a bid. It may be, you know? And, and now we know he went to banks in Latvia, Cyprus, Slovakia, Lithuania, Hungary, and Hong Kong. Now, even went to that many banks, okay, so he went to six banks that we know of. Why not do seven? Why not make it an even ten? Do we know if we caught all the banks? I don't know.

• 46:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's a great point.

• 46:11Laci Mosley?

  So he got his five years in jail, right? So invoice fraud has become so common that when denim company Diesel Jeans filed for bankruptcy in 2019, the company cited invoice fraud for contributing significantly to its financial woes. So I guess everybody was scamming, uh, Diesel Jeans.

• 46:29Speaker 06

  It's just so random.

• 46:31Laci Mosley?

  These are the jeans.

• 46:32Speaker 06

  Okay, those are, that's a, that, that's a...

• 46:35Laci Mosley?

  And people were purchasing these. I think I remember the brand Diesel. I want to say, didn't they make a shoe or something else too?

• 46:41Speaker 06

  I have a very ugly vest from them.

• 46:43Laci Mosley?

  Watches, they made Diesel watches. Justice told us they made watches. I was like, they made other stuff. This is a, this is an era in time. These, these wide, wide leg, um, they're coming back. Disney is bringing everything back. But I also love this because this was that time period where you would just see people like making videos that were grainy, where they were like moshing under a bridge to like, you know, the angriest of the Caucasian music. You know, this is like system of a down. This is like, you know, we're really head banging. And I've missed that. I want, I want the white girlies to come back with some more angsty pop.

• 47:13Speaker 06

  I think that, you know...

• 47:14Laci Mosley?

  Somebody pick up Hayley Williams' playbook. Y'all put down Lotto's playbook and pick up Hayley Williams. That's what we need.

• 47:19Speaker 06

  If you're gonna do angsty, angsty moshing under a bridge, I prefer that to a subreddit thread where you're trying to murder women.

• 47:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We need to bring angst back. Because angst was when they would just let it out in a healthy way. Now they get on 4chan.

• 47:34Speaker 06

  And they let it out in a, in a community, under that bridge. They made eye contact with each other. They jumped around, maybe a couple of them made out.

• 47:40Laci Mosley?

  Nobody made fun of them jumping around. Everybody loved it.

• 47:43Speaker 06

  Someone got a BJ, then they feel better.

• 47:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. That was a good time. We need to bring that back. The youth needs it.

• 47:49Speaker 06

  The youth needs that outlet.

• 47:50Laci Mosley?

  They don't got garages no more. You know, millennials raising their kids in apartments. These kids ain't got no garage to beat on, on instruments with.

• 47:56Speaker 06

  No, they don't.

• 47:57Laci Mosley?

  They need it. Bring back garages.

• 47:58Speaker 06

  Now they're just in the tub. They're just on the toilet with their cell phones.

• 48:01Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they got whole gamers setups, you know, we need to get the kids outside.

• 48:05Speaker 06

  I watched Adolescents, I watched it.

• 48:08Laci Mosley?

  So in 2015, Barbie maker Mattel sent more than $3 million to a fraudulent account in China after a finance executive was fooled by a message supposedly sent by the new chief executive officer, Christopher Sinclair. So this is Barbie was getting scammed.

• 48:24Speaker 06

  That was when racism works, you know? It's like, we thought that our new chief executive was in China and they're like, "Sounds reasonable."

• 48:33Laci Mosley?

  Sounds correct. We get everything from China. So yeah, no qualms here. Also, Barbie got their lid back. They got their movie, they got everything. So Barbie's doing just fine. But I love this for them. Around the same time, because now I'm just kind of listening to different companies that were also going through invoice fraud, around the same time Austrian aerospace parts maker FAC fired its president and chief financial officer after losing a thumping $46 million in a business email fraud.

• 49:03Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 49:05Laci Mosley?

  Y'all trust an email too much, bro.

• 49:07Speaker 06

  This is a great business. I don't think I'm supposed to come on this podcast and be like, "Wow, I'm impressed by the work of these fraudsters."

• 49:16Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 49:17Speaker 06

  I'm supposed to be like, "Shame on them," or like, "Learn how to not be a fraudster."

• 49:22Laci Mosley?

  Clearly they have some leftover income. I'm not feeling too bad about this still.

• 49:25Speaker 06

  If I'm a recurring guest, it's like in five years, you're gonna be like, "And this time, on the podcast," and then my face shows up looking like this guy from Lithuania. And you're like, "Man, it does not look good on her. This bitch was looking like Usha Vance, being all evil."

• 49:39Laci Mosley?

  No, you would look better than that. Usha's not aging well.

• 49:43Speaker 06

  No, she is not.

• 49:44Laci Mosley?

  I'm like, "How you already got the presidential, like, 10-year age and you literally just got her, girl? What's going on?"

• 49:49Speaker 06

  And she's like, "She is the wife of a vice president with no cause." Except not looking in the mirror right now.

• 49:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, girl. Well, you know, I don't know. You married that man, so you gonna have to just live your life the way that you chose to live it.

• 50:04Speaker 06

  That's between her and her god.

• 50:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, your maker, squirrely. But yeah, I mean, now I'm thinking about it. What had popped in my head? I was like, "I wonder, I'm so close to Sirius, though. Could I send some invoice?"

• 50:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, I was like, I was like slowly going through my mind of like, I'm an independent contractor. Who else?

• 50:24Laci Mosley?

  I definitely know how to make invoices.

• 50:26Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 50:26Laci Mosley?

  You know, I'm very good at that. So all in all here, like, I don't really feel too bad about this scam just because like big tech companies have a lot of money and they dodge a lot of taxes. So this feels like somebody just taxing y'all and five years, which would mean if he was sentenced to five years in 2019, then this man should be free.

• 50:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, he's back out. We should have a guest. I think he's, I think he's a future guest on the show.

• 50:52Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, L. Valdez, are you back in Lithuania?

• 50:54Speaker 06

  Lithuania, I'm sorry, not Latvian, Lithuanian pastries. Have him bring a couple to the set and make him feel comfortable.

• 50:59Laci Mosley?

  Also, we got Zoom. You can stay over there if you, if you got love and coming back to the States. I know the last time you were here, they put you in prison.

• 51:05Speaker 06

  He made seven million a year. He could, he could come do in studio.

• 51:08Laci Mosley?

  I doubt they got it all. I doubt they got it.

• 51:11Speaker 06

  And he can bring the pastries.

• 51:12Laci Mosley?

  Five years for financial fraud to me seems bizarre because American citizens typically get more than that.

• 51:18Speaker 06

  Really?

• 51:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. If you stole a hundred twenty million dollars, you would be facing like maybe even around like, I mean, like he got less time than Lizzie Holmes and Jen Shaw.

• 51:28Speaker 06

  Who, who's the second one?

• 51:29Laci Mosley?

  Jen Shaw from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City who was scamming the elderly.

• 51:33Speaker 06

  Oh, you, I think you should, I, I scamming the elderly is wrong.

• 51:36Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Okay. So maybe, yeah, more time because it was the elderly.

• 51:39Speaker 06

  And the other thing is, because Liz did the stuff with the science.

• 51:42Laci Mosley?

  And it was also affecting cancer patients and stuff. No, yeah, they needed more time. Yeah. He just, so you know what? This is, this is why I call justice.

• 51:49Speaker 06

  This is like slap on the wrist, slap on the wrist, like slap on the wrist.

• 51:52Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Five years in American prison, though. It is trash, but you'll be all right. Um, I mean, again, obviously this probably isn't going to happen to you on this scale out there, y'all, but please check your emails. If you're getting invoices from random people, if they're trying to scare you with big numbers, like, don't respond. I just don't respond to them. I'll check my bank account every now and then, but I know it's fake.

• 52:12Speaker 06

  And think about where you're sending your invoices congregation.

• 52:14Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 52:15Speaker 06

  And who are you sending them to? I'm not suggesting that you scam big corporations. That's not what I'm suggesting. No.

• 52:21Laci Mosley?

  And if that's what you heard, you heard wrong.

• 52:23Speaker 06

  You heard wrong. That's not what we said. That's not what we said at the beginning.

• 52:27Laci Mosley?

  But you know, I'm always curious to get to know more of the ins and outs of big corporations. And I feel like I might have to make a call to a few secretaries and just like, hey, you know, I've just always been so curious about Johnson and Johnson. You know, I love the products and

• 52:41Speaker 06

  Huge fan of the shampoo.

• 52:43Laci Mosley?

  Huge. Yeah. So who is our chief financial officer and who directly reports to them? I'm just so curious.

• 52:50Speaker 06

  And what are the last four digits of your account number?

• 52:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. When y'all send emails, is it [email protected]? Johnsonjohnson.net. Justinjohnson. Can't be that old.

• 53:02Speaker 06

  It would be great if it was .org. It would be great. It's like all of these companies have like addresses from like 1997. And then we're like, why are they getting scammed?

• 53:10Laci Mosley?

  That EDU. Like, what are y'all doing? Y'all, we have a couple of these in a minute, but we have enough time for scammer of the week. Yes. So this is when we talk about a scammer that may or may not be worthy of our praise, but it's typically a little bit shorter of a story. But we have time in this episode, so we'll get to it. So scammer of the week is Love Boat Lolita. So we're talking about a romance scammer. Who has entered the Hall of Fame this month. Christine Joan Echo Hawk of Oklahoma scammed $1.5 million out of four elderly women by posing as men named James Morris, or Edward Lottz, or Glenn Godard online.

• 53:55Laci Mosley?

  So I said Godard and then I said online. So this is her.

• 54:00Speaker 06

  I'm going to say, I have to say this, as someone who is supportive of the Lithuanian scammer and as someone who has played a 67-year-old Indian woman in my own baby mini scam, I do not, I do not condone anyone scamming elderly people. They are already at the end of their lives.

• 54:18Laci Mosley?

  Especially elderly women, because you have to think like, these people might be widows. Women typically live longer than their male counterparts, or

• 54:26Speaker 06

  They're using two fingers. They're using, it's like, that means even to log on to the internet, they're using AOL dial-up. They're probably using two fingers, two index fingers to type.

• 54:34Laci Mosley?

  And that's how you know that they really are putting An effort because elderly people getting on the internet, that's already a challenge for them. You know what I mean? That's effort.

• 54:43Speaker 06

  An hour and a half, even like not a full ninety minutes just to get on that dial up modem.

• 54:47Laci Mosley?

  How many grandchildren had to help them to get on that site for you to just steal their money? That's not right.

• 54:52Speaker 06

  It's not right.

• 54:52Laci Mosley?

  Like, see, I told you, remember, call your grandparents because they out there getting scammed by Christine Joan Echo Heart. And this photo of her, I've never seen like this deep of a V neck on like a prison fit, like.

• 55:08Laci Mosley?

  It's giving plunge.

• 55:10Speaker 06

  That is a, that is a plunging V line. That's a great way to describe that. That was like, that was a, that was a designer who came in, they said, but how do we make it sexy?

• 55:20Laci Mosley?

  Prison, but.

• 55:21Speaker 06

  Prison, but hot.

• 55:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and I mean, maybe she was stealing all this money so she could get some more neck. I, I feel like she's low on neck and um, she might have been trying to save up for more neck.

• 55:32Speaker 06

  She was saying, she was saying, I want to expose the decoupage, but I don't have the confidence to do it at Marshalls.

• 55:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I feel like if she just puts her head like regular, like, you know, people like, put your chin down, it would touch her clavicle. Like, it's like, there's no neck. She's really is missing some neck. So I feel like maybe that's what she was on the quest for with these coins. Um, she also looks like she's like mid convo when they're taking this photo or like, I just, what, what is this mugshot? I don't understand. But she was the one who was like pretending to be men and catfishing these elderly women. And she scammed one point five million dollars out of them. She got cash, checks, wired funds, and even tens of thousands of dollars in Apple gift cards from her marks, who were all women between ages of sixty-four to seventy-nine outside of Oklahoma. That's all standard romance scam script, right? But Christine put her own spin on it

• 56:22Laci Mosley?

  by involving an Alaskan oil tanker. So this is an oil tanker. Um, like, I, I, I probably said this many years ago, but if you're on a dating web, website or app and somebody says they work on an oil rig, they already got a family, boo boo. They already got a family, okay? I feel like oil rigging is one of the biggest cheater professions. If you love to cheat on your, your family, you know, definitely work. And oil is dangerous, but it pays well and you'll have plenty of time to do infidelities to your loved ones.

• 56:53Speaker 06

  I didn't, I, I, this is news to me. I, I didn't know, like, see, again, I'm learning something. This is, I didn't know this was one of the biggest scam professions. I understand that-

• 57:02Laci Mosley?

  Well, like, the job itself isn't a scam, but it's just like, if you want a second family.

• 57:05Speaker 06

  Right.

• 57:06Laci Mosley?

  You know what I mean? Like, you definitely make sure you gotta go to Alaska and your family is like in Oklahoma, your family is in like Tucson.

• 57:11Speaker 06

  You got a lot of free time. You got a lot of free time to get on the internet and to seem available, but then also be unavailable to your family. So you can, you know, in a way, it's like prison.

• 57:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, except for you, you can pay.

• 57:24Speaker 06

  And you have a job that you do outside of that, that you get paid for.

• 57:28Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 57:29Speaker 06

  So it's actually not at all like prison, which is what I said at the beginning of the episode.

• 57:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I remember when you said that. So this, now Christine has brought in this Alaskan oil tanker. So I want to see how she's bringing it in to be nefarious, because there's so many different ways. So Jason Morris, which remember is one of Christine's aliases when she's scamming these women, told one elderly girlfriend to send him a hundred twenty thousand dollars to pay for an oil vessel carrying seven hundred thousand barrels to Alaska. He said he owed this hundred twenty thousand dollars so the boat could return to shore. Once the rig returned, he could move in with her. So Christine, you jumped a lot of, that's a whole sentence right there. I'm gonna go back. Uh, Christine, AKA Jason, said, "Hey, babe, um, I need you to send me a hundred twenty K to pay for this oil vessel,

• 58:17Laci Mosley?

  because it's got seven hundred thousand dollars of oil on it, babe. Love your smile. Wink. Good morning, queen." So we gotta get this in Alaska and I own all the oil. So once the boat gets to shore, then I can move in with you, but first I gotta get this seven hundred thousand barrels of oil.

• 58:37Speaker 06

  Love is crazy. All I can say is love is crazy and the best, the, I, Jason Morris is a very convincing name.

• 58:42Laci Mosley?

  Can you get seven hundred thousand of anything on one thing?

• 58:46Speaker 06

  But also, why is-

• 58:47Laci Mosley?

  How big are these, how big are these barrels?

• 58:49Speaker 06

  Why is Jason responsible?

• 58:51Laci Mosley?

  Grays of rice, but I feel like seven hundred thousand barrels of something is like a lot of something.

• 58:57Speaker 06

  Is it seven hundred thousand dollars of oil?

• 59:00Laci Mosley?

  Barrels.

• 59:01Speaker 06

  Barrels?

• 59:03Laci Mosley?

  I don't think you can fly 700,000 of anything.

• 59:06Speaker 06

  I also just don't know why it's his responsibility. Why is it his responsibility to get this $120,000 worth of oil? Like, like that, why does he need the 120? He works for the oil people. He is not, he is not in charge of the oil people.

• 59:20Laci Mosley?

  He's a one man oil band.

• 59:22Speaker 06

  Okay, sure.

• 59:23Laci Mosley?

  He's doing independent oil. You know how you can go get veneers from a veneer tech who has no kind of dental training? It's like he just started up a career in something that typically people have to be connected in and also have like some sort of education. But he was like, no, I'm just the guy who does this.

• 59:37Speaker 06

  Your example of the veneer tech? I was like, no, I didn't know that.

• 59:41Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you gotta go to Atlanta more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can get teeth from anybody in a pop-up store. You know what I mean?

• 59:48Speaker 06

  This is like, this is like going to Turkey to get the hair plugs.

• 59:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, except I heard the, the Turkey hair plugs be popping.

• 59:54Speaker 06

  I, I don't know. I know that if you're supposed to go on a plane to Turkey, I know that when you come back, it's supposed to, you're supposed to see a lot of men who are bleeding in the head.

• 1:00:00Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I heard that too, that, that they be having to bleed in head.

• 1:00:04Speaker 06

  That like the plane is full of bleeding head men because they all went to get the plugs from Turkey.

• 1:00:07Laci Mosley?

  Turkish airlines should really lean into that. They're like, we have Coolin's scalp ice packs.

• 1:00:15Laci Mosley?

  Instead of a towel where you go to first class, they give you just like a, like a head-shaped ice pack and like put on your head. Yeah, it's like when the girls come back from Miami and they have to lay on the seats because they got the BBL.

• 1:00:24Speaker 06

  The BBLs, yeah.

• 1:00:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so this is, yeah, look at these Turkish hair plugs. We'll have to include these in the episode. So, look, he went from not having, okay, props to this guy because he was running the scam by growing the front of his hair out and giving us a nice little comb over moment.

• 1:00:40Speaker 06

  What is that, what is the band on his head in the left picture?

• 1:00:44Laci Mosley?

  Where you have, I don't know what they call this type of balding, but it's where like the sides of your hairline start to run away first. Male pattern? Like, no, but it's like the type of balding. Because like some people bald from the middle and that's where they start to bald and they had, kind of have like a little cap. And then some people start to bald from the front, like the sides of the hairline where the hairline start running towards the nape of the neck. But then the front, like the widow's peak will just stay there? That's what this man has.

• 1:01:10Speaker 06

  I am actually balding just evenly across my entire head.

• 1:01:14Laci Mosley?

  I call this the Monty Burns. I'm gonna make a name for it if they don't have one. It's like the Monty Burns, where you got hair on the sides and maybe a little bit, yeah.

• 1:01:22Speaker 06

  I know what you're talking about. It's like the thing in the middle and then it goes to the different, yeah.

• 1:01:26Laci Mosley?

  Okay, we got men's hairline types, okay? Yeah, so this man had a low hairline with a widow's peak. And so the peak stayed peeking and then everything else started creeping.

• 1:01:36Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:01:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so then he was doing like a peak comb over. And then now he's got this Turkish, can we go back to his after? He got a full head of hair. He looked like he, you know, ride motorcycles.

• 1:01:46Speaker 06

  He looks like a different man, even, but I think this is also a lesson in confidence. The second picture is also a lesson in confidence. He's posing, he feels good. Don't forget that confidence will take you a long way.

• 1:01:59Laci Mosley?

  That's why we say, uh, gender-affirming care. Y'all be judging it, but everybody does it. So, um, but yeah, he looks, you see he got them grafts. Now he got thirty-seven hundred grafts, that's a lot of grafts. But yeah, so they be coming home with a fresh, raw head.

• 1:02:14Speaker 06

  That man looked better in his before. Oh, wait, did he get it for his beard? He got it for his beard? What's happening?

• 1:02:19Laci Mosley?

  Wow. So if your beard is also bald, then for all my bald beardy baddies out there, you can get some beard done, okay?

• 1:02:27Speaker 06

  I love a vain man. I gotta say.

• 1:02:29Laci Mosley?

  I do too. I actually want them to be more vain, okay? I want you to have a skincare routine, get out there. And then, look, if you, if you're scared of skincare, they make the, um, skincare brands that are super like agro macho, like.

• 1:02:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, they're so dangerous.

• 1:02:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, put the eye stuff.

• 1:02:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 1:02:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Yeah, so.

• 1:02:46Speaker 06

  We took a hard pivot.

• 1:02:47Laci Mosley?

  We did, but it was necessary. So Jason was like, I gotta get these seven hundred thousand barrels, babes. So the girlfriend did this, but the bank stopped the transfer. So Jason told his girlfriend to contact the bank and lied to them, saying the funds were for purchasing property and not for the alleged oil tanker. But, big surprise, there was no oil tanker. So he was like, oh babe, they stopping it because, you know, the government, the government don't want me to get this oil because them. Oh, who is them? You know, they, the opposition. Yeah, but who are these people in particular? You know, somebodies. Anyway, uh, just say it's for something else. So she said it was for something else. Obviously, there was no oil ever coming and they were never gonna move in together.

• 1:03:32Laci Mosley?

  Because this is a woman doing this. It's Christine.

• 1:03:34Speaker 06

  Do you think that if you're lonely enough, because like one of the things that I don't get about the scam relationships is all you're getting is the text messages or the emails. You're not getting any of the physical contact. It's just maybe the future promise of physical contact. So could we replace the emotional like kind of satisfaction of these scammers with ChatGPT?

• 1:03:55Laci Mosley?

  I don't want anyone talking to ChatGPT. It's loaded too much already. And then there's, there's two schools of thought. Because some people are like, oh, if we don't talk to it, it's going to develop anyway. And then our opinions aren't going to be in it and stuff like that. And some people talk about representation in AI. And they're like, if we don't do it, then they're not going to have us in it. And right now, like certain AI platforms, if you look up like, um, like Black Man, it's going to show you like photos of mug shots and things like that. Yeah. So it's like people are trying to feed it to keep it from teaching other people racism. But then it's also like, we don't want to feed it. I don't know where, I, I, I just don't get my information from it because y'all, it's called books. It's called learning. It's called, you can't learn everything off TikTok. Like, and you can't stop using Grok. Like, I don't know, it's weird. But yeah, it's a complicated

• 1:04:39Laci Mosley?

  issue that we can't really get into today. But, um,

• 1:04:43Speaker 06

  I made a hairy suggestion. I was like, instead of scammers, what about artificial computers? And you said, Kieran, shut up.

• 1:04:52Laci Mosley?

  What if we all put our blood in AI? Yeah, exactly. What about that?

• 1:04:57Speaker 06

  I said, what if you give away your DNA and then they clone a child, but they use it a robot?

• 1:05:02Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:02Speaker 06

  And then you feel like a person. What do you think about that?

• 1:05:05Laci Mosley?

  What about just no sentience? How about that? That's how we avoid getting scammed. We just stop being sentience. Okay? We could have did it the whole time. I will say though, like, maybe let's start teaching our elderly loved ones to use FaceTime. Just, I know it's going to annoy the fuck out of you because then they're going to start FaceTiming you when you're at your job house and things like that, talking about the weather and, you know, whatever, whatever happened new today at the, at the citizen home. But if we do that, then if you're talking to someone and there's love fire, you just be like, let's get on FaceTime, or let's get on Zoom, or let's get on Skype. That's the easiest way to figure out if somebody is phishing you, because if they never want to be seen in any type of way, even if you're not in the Same state, then obviously you know something is nefarious that's happening.

• 1:05:44Speaker 06

  It's a beautiful point.

• 1:05:45Laci Mosley?

  So if they can't, if you can't see them on FaceTime, Nana, then let's not do it.

• 1:05:49Speaker 06

  The other truth is that Nana, if my mother is anything to go by, Nana is only gonna have like the underside of her chin on FaceTime at any given moment.

• 1:05:58Laci Mosley?

  Oh yeah, the ankles are gonna be atrocious.

• 1:06:00Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:06:00Laci Mosley?

  But at least we're not gonna get scammed.

• 1:06:01Speaker 06

  That's true.

• 1:06:02Laci Mosley?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:06:02Speaker 06

  Truth.

• 1:06:03Laci Mosley?

  So, obviously, this is Christine stealing this money, so girlfriend, elderly girlfriend did not get her uh man to move in with her and her hundred twenty thousand dollars went to this criminal lady. One woman reportedly sold her home so she could send six hundred thousand dollars to Edward Lott. Edward Lott is another one of Christine's uh aliases. And this woman sold her home. Can you imagine selling your house to give money to a man?

• 1:06:29Speaker 06

  No. I can't even imagine having a house.

• 1:06:34Laci Mosley?

  You know, we do need to start.

• 1:06:39Laci Mosley?

  She said you took two steps in the imagination. We need to start at, oh, you said owning the home and I was like, that's crazy.

• 1:06:44Speaker 06

  I said, I said, oh, you own property in this scenario?

• 1:06:47Laci Mosley?

  She said, let me wrap my brain around home ownership.

• 1:06:50Speaker 06

  I'm so sorry. I, like, I, like, when I'm living in Fantasyland, I get on Zillow, queen. I say, okay.

• 1:06:56Laci Mosley?

  Mortage gauges?

• 1:06:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:06:58Laci Mosley?

  That I've heard so much about?

• 1:06:59Speaker 06

  A mortgage sounds wild.

• 1:07:02Laci Mosley?

  I heard people paying what I pay in rent on mortgage gauges.

• 1:07:04Speaker 06

  Yeah, mortgage gauges.

• 1:07:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And I heard the bank used to give mortgage gauges to people.

• 1:07:10Speaker 06

  I just, all of this just sounds like Candyland to me. So, you know, the idea that you would, I don't, I can't, I really, truly, it's, and part of my question was like, is the scammer so good? Or are the elderly people so lonely? And what is the bigger problem in America?

• 1:07:27Laci Mosley?

  Epidemic, for sure, and I think we see that in all age groups, but especially when you're elderly and then it kind of feels like you're a burden or people might be paying for you to live in a specific place. This woman obviously still had a hu- a hu me? A hu me?

• 1:07:42Speaker 06

  A hu me, a hu me.

• 1:07:43Laci Mosley?

  I've also called them called hoosies.

• 1:07:45Speaker 06

  Yes, yes, yeah.

• 1:07:45Laci Mosley?

  Hoosies? So she had, she sold her hoos.

• 1:07:48Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:07:48Laci Mosley?

  So that she could give six hundred dollars, six hundred thousand dollars to this scam. Edward Lott. Now, I'm not, I can't give money to a man who's physically present in front of me. I most certainly cannot give money to a man who is just talking to me on the phone and we've had no interaction whatsoever, but I get the loneliness and then, once you've built up a rapport with somebody, then, because you can't just, you can't white lotus this, if y'all ain't seen season three, then you know, whatever, but like, there's a hookup that happens with a man who's like from Russia and they still in the bed, freshly post-coital, and he's like, "Oh yeah, my mom, she still lives in Russia and I need to get her out of Russia." And she was like, "Oh, that's crazy, so sad, stranger man that penis'd me." And then he's like, "Well, I mean, all we need is like a little money, like a ten thousand US dollars."

• 1:08:33Laci Mosley?

  Um, and she was like, "Oh, I don't have that," but he was like, "Oh, are you sure you can send it PayPal? Apple? Venmo? Uh, uh, check me? Zelle? Uh, do you have, uh, Cash App?" Like, he just started listing every single way that you could send it, like, that's too soon. I bet you that Christine, because she is also a woman and sounds pretty lonely, because this is like her job, you know, knew how to like romance these elderly women, give them attention, get them to trust her fake aliases. And then, and you know what too? If she has the voice of a woman, unless she's using a voice modulator, which she did not give me like tech genius when we saw her photo, it was giving like, her mouth be hanging up until the drool come out.

• 1:09:11Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 1:09:12Laci Mosley?

  That's her, you see, and she's like, maybe like a minute away from some drool.

• 1:09:16Speaker 06

  She's giving-

• 1:09:16Laci Mosley?

  She's not giving like she knows how to use a voice modulator, so these people must be messaging.

• 1:09:20Speaker 06

  Susan Boyle but untalented.

• 1:09:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I feel like this is like a pimp house situation.

• 1:09:25Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:09:25Laci Mosley?

  Because if you get on the phone, I'm gonna know that you're not a man.

• 1:09:28Speaker 06

  No, there's no question about that.

• 1:09:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, she doesn't give me like she would know how to use a, like a voice modulator. She might though, you know, we can't judge a scam book by its cover.

• 1:09:36Speaker 06

  Now, I know we're not here to solve the epidemic of loneliness in America or the housing crisis,

• 1:09:41Laci Mosley?

  We can try.

• 1:09:41Speaker 06

  But I am curious if you think that there is some value to, let's say that that lonely woman who was, you know, talking to the oil tanker person, what if that person lived with a college student? A college student who couldn't afford a morte- mortgage?

• 1:09:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:09:56Speaker 06

  Or, or let's say, or let's say- Or let's say me, you know what I mean? I could be in her house that she owns, that I'll never own, do you know what I mean? And I could just live there like a roommate, do you know what I mean?

• 1:10:08Laci Mosley?

  Pair of broke young people with old lonely people.

• 1:10:11Speaker 06

  Yes, yes, so that everyone can annoy each other.

• 1:10:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:15Speaker 06

  But no one will be lonely, they'll all just be slightly irritated.

• 1:10:18Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:10:20Laci Mosley?

  And irritation, is that better than loneliness?

• 1:10:23Speaker 06

  I think it is.

• 1:10:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's giving your brain something to do.

• 1:10:25Speaker 06

  It's, it's like, I think loneliness is like, loneliness is supposed to be worse for you than alcoholism and like cigarette smoke. So irritation, yeah, so irrita- so, so you're better off being a drunk than a, than lonely. Which my friend said was-

• 1:10:38Laci Mosley?

  We're not recommending becoming a drunk.

• 1:10:41Speaker 06

  She said, "Karen, that's terrible logic and stop saying that to people, especially into microphones."

• 1:10:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah. I saw you at that, when the AA meeting let out, you were, you were standing out there with a microphone.

• 1:10:53Speaker 06

  I need it, I need it. I'm, I'm retiring my megaphone with that one. I'm so sorry. Because I never said that.

• 1:10:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. No, no, it never happened. I never saw you.

• 1:11:00Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:11:00Laci Mosley?

  But I will say that, to your point, like, the loneliness of this is probably the bigger issue that would lead you to even thinking like, I'm sure that Christine sold these women a dream, was like, you know, sell your home, let's go to Barbados, or let's, you know, live together.

• 1:11:15Speaker 06

  Future tripping.

• 1:11:16Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, future tripping. Yeah, and so that would be exciting to anybody who's been lonely, especially if you're older, because I can't imagine, like, if I'm in my prime right now and looking around, the options are few and far between as far as romantic partnership goes, and you're, like, older, and hell, the men who are your age at that age probably still trying to look at somebody half their age.

• 1:11:38Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 1:11:38Laci Mosley?

  If they're virile.

• 1:11:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, which they are from gender-affirming care.

• 1:11:43Laci Mosley?

  Yes, right. They got a new hairline and now they out here looking for the young bitches.

• 1:11:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:11:47Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So I can understand how she got into the spot. Obviously, no judgment, but-

• 1:11:52Speaker 06

  No judgment.

• 1:11:53Laci Mosley?

  She got, so Christine got that $600,000. And here's my thing, Christine, you're not given, like, you're living lavish. You're living in Oklahoma. I know even though prices are inflating everywhere, if you got $720,000, you couldn't just live good off that. You couldn't maybe get your little franchise or something and just like stop stealing from old people. Like, you had to continue. This is also giving me that Christine has some kind of sickness beyond just wanting money. Some scammers are really in it for the high, the attention, and also this kind of Machiavellian feeling that they have where they control other people's lives, because there is a high of being like, I got a stranger who sell their home and send me all the proceeds from it. There's power there.

• 1:12:30Speaker 06

  It's a power trip, yeah.

• 1:12:30Laci Mosley?

  And Christine don't look like she'd have never had a power in a day of her life. I feel like every time she probably worked at a real, regular job, her manager was probably like 20 years younger than her. She was like, I gotta wait for my manager to get out of high school so I can put in my requests off. You know what I mean? Like, it feels like she didn't have much power in her life.

• 1:12:46Speaker 06

  Christine needed a hug. She needed a hug and she needed somebody to say, "Hey."

• 1:12:50Laci Mosley?

  She was like, "My manager at the sunglasses hut getting her braces off, but as soon as she leave the orthodontist, I'mma request that I can have Christmas off."

• 1:12:57Speaker 06

  It's also like, if that, if that, like, if that person who has this like Machiavellian need for power then rerouted the money to Doctors Without Borders, now what do you think of them?

• 1:13:09Laci Mosley?

  I still don't like it.

• 1:13:10Speaker 06

  That's right, that's right, because it should have, it should have technically been that old bitch's, you know, prerogative to give that money to Doctors Without Borders and sell her house for that reason.

• 1:13:19Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. I, ugh, so another elderly girlfriend, I love the term elderly girlfriend, because why can't they just be girlfriends?

• 1:13:27Speaker 06

  I just, I just said old bitch, so I mean...

• 1:13:30Laci Mosley?

  And that sounded better to me than elderly girlfriend. Call me old bitch when I'm old, don't call me elderly girlfriend.

• 1:13:36Speaker 06

  And let me just tell you something, I'm happy with being called an old bitch today. I think it actually sounds like, you know...

• 1:13:40Laci Mosley?

  Old bitch sound like I'm still having fun out here, okay? Elderly girlfriend is given a commercial for like vaginal dryness, and I don't like that.

• 1:13:47Speaker 06

  Let's take this old pony for one more ride.

• 1:13:50Laci Mosley?

  Also, nothing wrong with vaginal dryness, happens at all ages, I'm just saying it sounds like a commercial, like, "Are you and your elderly girlfriend having like..."

• 1:13:56Speaker 06

  We here at Scam Goddess support vaginal dryness and vagin- vaginals.

• 1:14:01Laci Mosley?

  We don't support, we want y'all to get it not dry.

• 1:14:04Speaker 06

  We support, we support vaginas with any level of liquid inside of them.

• 1:14:09Laci Mosley?

  Whatever you, whatever's comfortable for you, we support it. We actually will be on the megaphone out front, really raising awarenesses about this. So, another elderly girlfriend sent $250,000 for expenses on a financial portfolio that Glenn Goddard promised to send her from Syria. She trusted Glenn because he said they went to college together. They did not. Um, it's a lot of people at college, you could probably say you went to college with a lot of people, they wouldn't know.

• 1:14:40Speaker 06

  I was just thinking, I got a message from somebody who said, "We went to college together," and I was like, "Did we go to college together? I don't know."

• 1:14:46Laci Mosley?

  Of course, they, they hit you now, you poppin', they seen these specials, they didn't know you going to Sundance, like, "Remember we went to college together, Karen? Remember our mascot? It was our favorite mascot, gold." Finish it, Karen.

• 1:14:57Speaker 06

  Go, uh, go.

• 1:15:00Laci Mosley?

  The mascot of the college.

• 1:15:01Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:15:01Laci Mosley?

  That we went to.

• 1:15:02Speaker 06

  Go penis.

• 1:15:05Laci Mosley?

  That wasn't it, girl.

• 1:15:06Speaker 06

  No, it wasn't it. I, I lost it. I lost it. What was it? Go, go. We didn't have a mascot.

• 1:15:10Laci Mosley?

  No, I always said the go part. Then you said the mascot and the city and location of the college that we went to.

• 1:15:15Speaker 06

  Oh, that's okay. That's okay. But that would be a tell because we didn't have a mascot. That was kind of, my college didn't have a mascot.

• 1:15:20Laci Mosley?

  Damn, I wouldn't be able to scam you.

• 1:15:22Speaker 06

  It was literally like when you said go and I was like, no, we didn't.

• 1:15:25Laci Mosley?

  No, because remember we were sad that we didn't have a mascot. That's what I actually said.

• 1:15:28Speaker 06

  You're so convincing.

• 1:15:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Yeah. So we would just be like, go name of our school.

• 1:15:33Speaker 06

  Oh, my God.

• 1:15:33Laci Mosley?

  See, I would say go.

• 1:15:34Speaker 06

  You're like fake news. You're like fake news, but all this eye contact. And I was like, yeah, go what? I thought it was a joke, but no.

• 1:15:40Laci Mosley?

  No, but what was the name of it?

• 1:15:42Speaker 06

  The name of the thing?

• 1:15:42Laci Mosley?

  The school that you went to.

• 1:15:44Speaker 06

  Oh, I went to Harvard.

• 1:15:46Laci Mosley?

  Go Harvard. That's what we always said.

• 1:15:49Speaker 06

  Nobody said that. Nobody said go Harvard. Everyone said, don't tell people about that.

• 1:15:53Laci Mosley?

  Girl, I would say that all the time. And then every job that I had, I would say I went to Harvard.

• 1:15:57Speaker 06

  The one thing, I, this is the first time.

• 1:15:58Laci Mosley?

  Karen, did you really go to Harvard?

• 1:16:00Speaker 06

  It's the thing I'm really proud of.

• 1:16:02Laci Mosley?

  Karen!

• 1:16:02Speaker 06

  But, but Lacey, the thing I'm really proud of with Harvard, it's the first time I would ever really mention it on a pod is like, they stood up to president. I'm very proud of the institution. I'm like, okay, two middle fingers to the sky.

• 1:16:12Laci Mosley?

  Y'all don't want DEI. Now y'all talking about y'all want diverse viewpoints. Are y'all saying let stupid people in?

• 1:16:17Speaker 06

  I mean, you have to understand that school is older than the federal government. So they're like quite conservative in their take.

• 1:16:22Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. They're like, we already racist enough. What you talking about?

• 1:16:26Speaker 06

  For them to do that to, to the president means that the request list must have been wild.

• 1:16:31Laci Mosley?

  I just want to go back, Karen, for one second.

• 1:16:33Speaker 06

  We don't need to talk about why Harvard hates diversity.

• 1:16:35Laci Mosley?

  Saying Harvard and how I had to juice it out of you with my bit there is because typically.

• 1:16:40Speaker 06

  It's not that funny.

• 1:16:41Laci Mosley?

  If somebody is from, went to Harvard, I will know that within the first conversation. I have known Karen for years and I had no idea that she went to Harvard. So I'm just shocked that it has never casually dropped into the conversation. Because you know, the girls who go to Harvard, they'd be like, yeah, you know, remind me. I'm like, oh, I stubbed my toe. They'd be like, oh, remind me that time I went to Harvard. Um, that time I went to Harvard and I stubbed my toe. Yeah. When I was actually becoming president of the law review, I stubbed my toe right before my speech.

• 1:17:06Speaker 06

  You know, it's a funny thing.

• 1:17:07Laci Mosley?

  At Harvard, law.

• 1:17:08Speaker 06

  And, and women, women have been like that to you? Women?

• 1:17:11Laci Mosley?

  I mean, not, you know what? I will say it's mostly men. I know all the men who went to Harvard. I may not know as many women.

• 1:17:16Speaker 06

  And what color were those men?

• 1:17:17Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you know what they was.

• 1:17:18Speaker 06

  Okay, well, so I'm just saying that's a massive.

• 1:17:20Laci Mosley?

  They were our diverse people that y'all need to sell more than Harvard.

• 1:17:22Speaker 06

  We're gonna have to mark this whole sequence, but that's a massive differential. Like, it's, I, I would, my guess, my guess would be like.

• 1:17:28Laci Mosley?

  But I don't know, because I'm a woman. If I went to Harvard, you know I went to Harvard. Everybody on this podcast knows I was a scholar, she's on scholarship. I say it all the time. I'll be like, remember when I was at Harvard? Oh, boy, those were the Harvard days. Anyway, it would have nothing to do with nothing.

• 1:17:40Speaker 06

  You actually give me a bunch of phr-, you text me a bunch of phrases. I'm gonna start saying them all the time.

• 1:17:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I'm gonna get you where we can shoehorn it in so naturally. Yes. So.

• 1:17:49Speaker 06

  I'm gonna put that in my invoices.

• 1:17:50Laci Mosley?

  Back to Christine and her alias Glenn Goddard. I will say that Christine obviously has a bit of a finesse here because the, remember? We had the oil rigger and his name was Jason Morris. Jason Morris sounds like he would be rigging oil. Glenn Goddard does sound like he's got financial portfolios. From the Goddard family.

• 1:18:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:18:10Laci Mosley?

  She should have put a third on there. Glenn Goddard, well, actually, oh, these old people, right? So Glenn Goddard the second.

• 1:18:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's better than a junior. I was just contemplating junior in my mind.

• 1:18:20Laci Mosley?

  No, it's gotta be the second, because junior is like, that, that mean you're not, you don't have enough money to be, uh, have the little, uh, Roman numerals. You gotta have Roman numeral money.

• 1:18:28Speaker 06

  You gotta have plaque money. You gotta have family crest money.

• 1:18:30Laci Mosley?

  Yes. You gotta have artifacts that are definitely stolen from the races you oppressed to gain your wealth.

• 1:18:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:18:37Laci Mosley?

  And they have to be kept somewhere.

• 1:18:38Speaker 06

  And then you say things like finders keepers on the internet.

• 1:18:41Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm, yes, yes. Through the victor goes the spoils. That's a classy way to say it.

• 1:18:45Speaker 06

  That is a better way to say it.

• 1:18:46Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So Christine laundered this money that she got from her victims through various accounts, converting them to cryptocurrency. And then never mind Christine, I take it back, girl. Clearly, clearly you're not as dumb as you look. So I, you know? And that's what I said initially is that Christine gave me that she was gonna be very good at tech. Because she is laundering through cryptocurrency and then sending crypto payments to an unidentified suspect. Now Christine, why is anybody else involved in this scam? Why are you sending money to anybody? Because I don't think you need to involve anybody in this. I better not find out that this cut is going to a man, Christine.

• 1:19:23Speaker 06

  And crypto is a very volatile currency. So I don't know, I'm on the fence about the.

• 1:19:28Laci Mosley?

  Well, she's gotta launder the money, though, because otherwise she cannot explain how she got 1.5 million dollars just sent to accounts.

• 1:19:34Speaker 06

  But what isn't she, why isn't she on the black market, babe? Like, why isn't she on the dark web?

• 1:19:38Laci Mosley?

  I don't know how to get to the dark web, personally.

• 1:19:41Speaker 06

  Okay, we'll talk about that offline.

• 1:19:44Laci Mosley?

  So Christine was arrested and charged with unlawful use of criminal proceeds and using a computer to violate state statutes. She faces 24 to 64 years in prison and has to pay up to $260,000 in fines.

• 1:19:57Speaker 06

  That's not that much. Does she have to get the money back?

• 1:20:00Laci Mosley?

  That's why I don't like fines, because when you say fines, the government just gets money because you committed a crime. The money should go evenly be distributed to the victims. Because otherwise, why do we get the government involved, girl? Like, what is you doing?

• 1:20:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:20:12Laci Mosley?

  We pay you to help us.

• 1:20:14Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:20:14Laci Mosley?

  And the government's like, well, we gonna take our fines. Fines for what, bitch? You didn't do nothing?

• 1:20:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, even if you're taking a fine off of the person, I think the, what about restitution? I'm interested in restitution.

• 1:20:23Laci Mosley?

  Fines is not restitution.

• 1:20:24Speaker 06

  That's correct.

• 1:20:24Laci Mosley?

  The word fines does not mean restitution.

• 1:20:26Speaker 06

  That's correct.

• 1:20:27Laci Mosley?

  And you know, they always love to slap the girlies with some restitution who they know cannot afford it. So then it's like, it's not that they're just like something to make you feel better after it's over. But I'm like, fines? This money should just go directly to those elderly victims. Like, people have lost their homes in these scenarios. People have given up a horrible amount of money that obviously should have gone to them, their family, wherever they wanted to use that money. So fines, to me, I'm like, the government caught a little lick in here, too. Not the government scamming as well. They said, we can't believe you did this to the elderly women. Pay us $260,000 in fines.

• 1:20:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, they should.

• 1:20:58Laci Mosley?

  Pay you consequences.

• 1:20:59Speaker 06

  It should at least be that that money goes back. But really, she should be owing that one five back to the people and figuring that out and hoping that that cryptocurrency went up.

• 1:21:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I don't, see, laundering is the only reason that I would understand why she would get crypto involved anyway, because obviously it's volatile and in many cases, a scam. I don't know why y'all get, why, any celebrity who tells y'all to get their coin, their meme, why are y'all doing that? It's a scam. They're using their popularity so you can go foolishly buy whatever volatile coin they have. And then as soon as that starts to raise in value, they rug pull you, which means that they're gonna take all their shares out and then they're gonna get the money and then Whatever bullshit that you bought is going to be worthless.

• 1:21:41Speaker 06

  I had a boyfriend this happened to with an NFT. It was really sad.

• 1:21:45Laci Mosley?

  I remember when the Hocktua girl came out and was like, I got a Hocktua meme and everyone was buying it. I'm like, this girl literally said one thing that was very basic that has been said before on somebody's street internet. I want y'all to stop doing them street internet interviews for TikTok. Please leave people alone. Did y'all see that Planned Parenthood lady who got punched? That's why y'all need to stop, okay? She was like talking to some random person in Harlem about Planned Parenthood, but trying to bait her into looking dumb because she was pro-life. And then at the end, she got her shit rocked. She got punched.

• 1:22:19Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:22:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, the, the, the evil lady who was doing the interviews on the street. And it's like, why are you doing this? Leave people alone.

• 1:22:26Speaker 06

  People.

• 1:22:27Laci Mosley?

  People are not content.

• 1:22:28Speaker 06

  People are not content is a bumper sticker that I actually don't think the big tech agrees with, which is why I do agree with the man from Lithuania, that he wasn't totally wrong.

• 1:22:37Laci Mosley?

  Cause these people, every time you go outside now, I feel like there's some Black Mirror version of a lot of the younger generations and even the millennials too, where they're looking at people like content. They're like, oh, that person is 12 likes. Or like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, these are strangers on the street. Leave them alone.

• 1:22:53Speaker 06

  Leave them alone.

• 1:22:54Laci Mosley?

  It was like, no, I saw this man. He was at least 6,000 views, so I'mma go run up to him and bother him. What, what are you doing?

• 1:23:00Speaker 06

  I would, I, I, I, I think people, yeah, if you, if, if they won't let you hug them, don't ask them to make a video.

• 1:23:08Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:23:09Speaker 06

  Like it needs to be, there needs to be at least some, if you can't.

• 1:23:12Laci Mosley?

  You need to know the person. And you need to know they went to Harvard. And then maybe think about doing a video.

• 1:23:17Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:23:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. But Christine, I don't love your scam at all. I really feel sad for these elderly girlfriends.

• 1:23:25Speaker 06

  Christine feels like a person who would wear ugly Diesel jeans to me.

• 1:23:30Laci Mosley?

  I don't think she's cool enough for those Diesel jeans.

• 1:23:31Speaker 06

  Okay, okay.

• 1:23:33Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I don't see Christine under the bridge.

• 1:23:35Speaker 06

  Actually, that's true, but maybe if Christine was under the bridge, she would have left these elderly people alone.

• 1:23:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, she needed hobbies. And Christine, this was not it. So all the 24 to 64 years, that's a lot of years in prison. Christine, it doesn't look like you're gonna see the light of day again.

• 1:23:47Speaker 06

  And I'm okay with that.

• 1:23:48Laci Mosley?

  I'm okay with that. Cause you don't need to be on the streets. You definitely don't need to be on the phones or the computers. Cause clearly, clearly, you don't know how to act, Christine.

• 1:23:55Speaker 06

  Pick up a book in the prison library and let's see what you decide to author from there.

• 1:24:00Laci Mosley?

  It might be, it might be a book in here somewhere, Christine. I don't know, but I just, I don't like to see like romance fraud. It's my least favorite type of fraud.

• 1:24:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's, it's preying on the, the, one of the most basic human emotions and you know, everyone's looking for love in one way or another.

• 1:24:16Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 1:24:17Speaker 06

  And that's why we're on this podcast.

• 1:24:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And if you want to be a cheater again, oil rigging, okay? Or get one of them jobs where you gotta go out of town a lot. Like be a consultant. They're always on planes. You know what I mean? Like find a job where you have to travel to different sites and locations and then you can have a separate family. You know what I mean? In Tucson.

• 1:24:38Speaker 06

  It would be great is like, you know, within the next like five to seven years, it's like some, you, you have a scammer who's on here citing your podcast as a source of information.

• 1:24:47Laci Mosley?

  I never want that to happen.

• 1:24:50Laci Mosley?

  I will never be implicated because I never said anything that was implicating.

• 1:24:54Speaker 06

  That's true.

• 1:24:54Laci Mosley?

  Yes, but Karen, thank you so much for being on the show today.

• 1:24:57Speaker 06

  Thank you for having me. What a chat. Like this was, I, I mean, as always, and I learned, and I learned, I learned, we laughed, we.

• 1:25:05Laci Mosley?

  We, we saw a lot of beautiful things and a lot of ugly people.

• 1:25:08Speaker 06

  We saw, I, I mean Turkish hairlines, you know?

• 1:25:11Laci Mosley?

  Y'all, just make sure they don't give you the straight line because some of these are looking a little too like they took a ruler to y'all head. Like, you know, get it, get it plucked a little bit, okay?

• 1:25:19Speaker 06

  Make it look human.

• 1:25:20Laci Mosley?

  Give yourself some edges, my guys. Anyways, y'all, thank you Karen for being on the show.

• 1:25:25Speaker 06

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:25:26Laci Mosley?

  We always ask where would you like to be found? Anything you want people to see? Where they can find you online?

• 1:25:30Speaker 06

  You know, I'm really proud of the, this is the first special. This is the first special that I've ever released. It's called, and it's Joy Suck. So it's like, how do you find, you know, things are, I mean, this is why I love this pod too. It's like, you take stuff that's like kind of dark and you make it funny, but you also educate the people. And I feel like that's the special is kind of like taking stuff that's like a little bit dark and making it funny and trying to find a way to like, keep your joy up because that's a form of rebellion. And that's important in these times so that you can.

• 1:25:55Laci Mosley?

  We all need joy.

• 1:25:56Speaker 06

  Yes. So that you can like, you can stay on your path and it's Amazon Prime and, uh, and I, if people watch it, just send me a message. I'm always curious to hear how, how and if people liked it. It's been really fun to hear from people like with a story over time versus just clips on the internet.

• 1:26:12Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:26:12Speaker 06

  You know, like a story over time is like very fun and, and comedy to me. And that's like the most exciting part. So.

• 1:26:18Laci Mosley?

  Yes, obviously. That's what we do a story over an hour.

• 1:26:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:26:20Laci Mosley?

  I love that. And congratulations on releasing it.

• 1:26:23Speaker 06

  Beginning, middle and end. You always.

• 1:26:25Laci Mosley?

  And then social media.

• 1:26:26Speaker 06

  Yeah. Social media shit from.

• 1:26:28Laci Mosley?

  Shit from Kiran.

• 1:26:30Speaker 06

  From Kiran, not with Kiran. We're not on the toilet together. That's crazy.

• 1:26:33Laci Mosley?

  Yes, that is. But shit from Kiran, very normal.

• 1:26:38Speaker 06

  Very normal and definitely not made before I thought about cursing in an Instagram title.

• 1:26:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. No, I think it works. You're not gonna find another shit from Kiran.

• 1:26:48Speaker 06

  No, you won't. But you will have a lot of people asking you shit with Kiran, shit at Kiran, shit on Kiran.

• 1:26:53Laci Mosley?

  No, definitely not shit on Kiran. No. Or with her, or around her. No.

• 1:26:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, shit around Kiran. The preposition has complicated my life.

• 1:27:04Laci Mosley?

  She's giving the shit. It's from Kiran. Shit from Kiran.

• 1:27:06Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:27:07Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And if you want to see all of these amazing photos, you can go on Scam Goddess Pod. That's where everything is on Instagram. And if you want to talk to me, I am randomly getting on Twitter more and more, Scam Goddess Pod on Twitter. And then if you want to see me and my shenanigans or whatever I'm up to, that's D I V A L A C I D, Lacy on all platforms. You can stream all the episodes of Scam Goddess, a television show, the visuals are out, y'all, on Hulu. You can also stream Going Dutch on Hulu. And you can buy my book or my audiobook anywhere. Books are sold. Just Google Scam Goddess Book. Yes, a congregation. I want y'all to get out there. And I want y'all to stay invoicing, okay? All of our time is valuable. You stay invoicing.

• 1:27:52Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros, and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

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